From jsoro620 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 00:40:28 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 19:40:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Dropbox 101 & Your Bonus Space Message-ID: <001501cf068a$118f9630$34aec290$@gmail.com> Hi, I see there are fellow subscribers who have not taken advantage of the awesomeness that is Dropbox. I'll give you my version of the run-down, and if by the end you think it might be worth checking out, click on my personal link to get half a gig of bonus space on top of the 2 gigs of free space you're already given. At its simplest, Dropbox installs a folder on your computer similar to My Documents. You can create files and folders within this Dropbox folder. Everything in this folder is synchronized with every other computer and device where you've installed Dropbox, including your iPhone, iPad, etc. You pick what folders and files are shared with what people, and if you ever want to leave the shared folder, you can do so without disturbing the content for anyone else if that's what you prefer. Dropbox Highlights: * LAN Sync. Transfer speeds are incredible between computers on the same network, so sharing content with your roommates will be a snap. * Selective Sync. You decide what folders do and do not synchronize. * Portability. Get the Dropbox app for your mobile device and keep reading your eBook or important office file on the road. * Avoid Duplication. If someone uploaded a copy of something you were working on, Dropbox will simply load the copy already stored and place a Conflict label beside the file title. * Photos. Create an instant photo gallery with the desktop app's Photo folder. * Public. Working with someone not using Dropbox? Use a Public link to create a public link to your file. They just click on the link and download the content to their own computer or device. * iTunes. With enough space you can host your Library from a Dropbox folder to make it available across all your devices. Even if you don't use the Library, I use Dropbox to store my music, documents, eBooks, and audio books without ever once opening that dreadful iTunes on my PC. * Passwords. Launch password apps from Dropbox to make passwords software accessible to you no matter where you are. * Firefox Sync. Use a similar process to keep your Firefox profile consistent across multiple computers. * Referral. You get 2 GB of free space to start but get 500 MB for every referral up to 16 GB. I collaborate with several teams on different projects. Each team has its own set of subfolders, and there's no worry about whether or not a document will display properly since Dropbox works on all the major operating systems and mobile platforms. This means you can use all the features of your preferred word processor without the hassle of Google Docs' well-intentioned but so far limited features. You can use Dropbox to share shopping lists and other items of mutual interest. The best selling point for me is that a person could start on a document at home and pick it right back up at the office with all the same track changes, notations, etc. as though there was never a pause in workflow. If your computer back home crashes, there's no problem, because everything will have been safely stored in the cloud. Actually, you can do a lot more with Dropbox if you really want to go the geeky route. So, are you convinced? Okay, click on the link below, and grab that bonus space! http://db.tt/tRuvDa6 Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog From filerime at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 01:53:53 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 20:53:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: How to use Dropbox In-Reply-To: <89E2C76F508246FFBF39072D45098477@OwnerPC> References: <89E2C76F508246FFBF39072D45098477@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Yes I use it with windows 7 2013/12/31, Ashley Bramlett : > Helga, > The command control s works fine; f 12 is the save as command which saves > your file as another file than your original document if you changed names. > I think you should just save it in your drop box folder rather than copying > and pasting. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Helga Schreiber > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:57 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: How to use Dropbox > > Hey! Ryan, I press control S after writing the document right? Or do I press > f12 in order to save it? Do yu think would it be easier pressing f12 in > order to save it in Documents, then open documents and then find the file > you have save, and then copy it and then paste it to Dropbox? Just curious!, > since I always do that whenever I save a document and want to copy it into a > Drive. I will really appreciate it alot , if yu could give me some > suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: How to use Dropbox > > Hi Helga, > > What version of Microsoft Office (Microsoft Word) are you using? If > it's 2007 or higher, these instructions will work. If you're still > using 2003, let me know and I will give you those instructions, but > let's assume you're using 2007 or higher. I'll tell you the way I > used to teach it when I taught assistive technology. Hopefully these > instructions are clear enough. > > 1. press Control + S to open the "Save" dialogue. > 2. Name your file. > 3. Shift tab twice until you hear JAWS say "List View." > 4. Navigate using the arrow keys or first-letter navigation (typing > the first letter of the folder name) to the folder called "Dropbox" > and press enter. > 5. Navigate the same way to whichever folder you have created within > dropbox wherein you want your file to be saved and press enter. > 6. Once in that folder (if it's empty, JAWS will say, "List view, 0 > items", press alt S. That will save the document in that folder in > dropbox. > > Again, I'd be happy to get with you on skype or something if you need > more in-depth assistance. Hope this helps. > > Ryan > > > On 12/31/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi Ryan, this is Helga. How do I save a document after writing it in Word >> into the Dropbox ffolder, or other types of foldrs that I would like to >> save >> the document on the Dropbox folder? I really don't know how todo it. >> Thanks >> and God bless!! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 3:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: How to use Dropbox >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> You do not need to copy and paste the document from Word into the >> folder. In order to put a document in dropbox, just start Word, type >> your document and save it. When saving, save it in the dropbox folder >> and then in whichever folder within dropbox you want it saved. If you >> need more help with saving to folders, I would be more than happy to >> give more detailed instructions. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 12/31/13, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi guys, this is Helga! I just wanted to ask you, in order to create a >>> new >>> document in order to put it into Dropbox, do I just start Microsoft word >>> on >>> the computer and then I copy and paste it into the Dropbox foldder? Just >>> wondering. Also, how do yu create a folder inside a folder? Just curious! >>> I >>> actually forgot how to do it! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I >>> downloaded the pages app into my iPhone, and I will like to use it in >>> order >>> to write my papers for school. I actually know how to save it as a word >>> document, and then send it to my email. But I just wanted to ask you, how >>> do >>> I save a document that I started writing on the pages app into the >>> Dropbox >>> folder app on my iPhone in order to continue working on it at home? Just >>> curious! Do you think is there a way to do that? I will really appreciate >>> it >>> a lot!, if yu could give me some suggestions regarding this questions. >>> Thanks so much and God bbless!! :) >>> P.S. Sorry for asking you all these questions! Thanks again! ;) >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Ryan Silveira >>> Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 2:35 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: How to use Dropbox >>> >>> Not sure if you can share on an iPhone. I was referring to Safari >>> while on a desktop or laptop using voiceover, so unfortunately it may >>> not work for you, since you don't have a mac. Try it with the iPhone >>> and see what happens though. I'm curious to see if it will work. >>> >>> On 12/31/13, Elif Emir wrote: >>>> Thanks I wil try on I phone while sharing >>>> I don't do any rar >>>> I fırst share an empty folder then start puttıng ıtems ın ıt and so no >>>> need to rar anything. >>>> >>>> >>>> 2013/12/31, Ryan Silveira : >>>>> Those are great instructions, Elif. That dropbox share button is a >>>>> little tricky. It seems to work well using Safari with Voiceover, but >>>>> of course, you would need a Mac to use that. Otherwise, it really is >>>>> not accessible. Helga, if you would like furhter, one-on-one help >>>>> with setting up your dropbox and figuring it out, feel free to e-mail >>>>> me off-list. I would be happy to help you and, if necessary, we can >>>>> do a little skype session so I can talk you through it. Also, I can't >>>>> remember if this is changed, but when you are sharing a file within a >>>>> folder by clicking that "share dropbox link" option, the file needs to >>>>> be in the "Public" folder of your dropbox. If you want to share the >>>>> link to a whole folder, you will need to compress that folder into a >>>>> ZIP or RAR (preferably ZIP) archive so that it's one file. It can be >>>>> extracted by the other person later. Hope this helps. Happy new >>>>> year. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> On 12/31/13, Elif Emir wrote: >>>>>> Hi Helga, >>>>>> When you install dropbox in your devices you should see a folder >>>>>> called dropbox on your desktop and I phone. >>>>>> You can think this is a regular folder that you can create new folders >>>>>> or documents in it and also copy or cut something and paste there. >>>>>> When you put a new item in your dropbox folder in your PC, you'll see >>>>>> it on your I phone dropbox folder automatically, and vice versa. This >>>>>> is a kind of personal storage area. >>>>>> Then go to your dropbox folder and select an item that you would like >>>>>> to share with somebody. Press application button and find :share >>>>>> dropbox link" and press enter >>>>>> Now the link has been copied on your clipboard and ready to paste >>>>>> anywhere you want. You can simply paste it in an e-mail and share it >>>>>> everyone regardless of their dropbox memberships. Everyone can open >>>>>> this link and get the item. >>>>>> The second sharing option is again starting with application button. >>>>>> You should find "share this folder" and press enter. This time you'll >>>>>> go to internet page of dropbox. Find shared folder options. This is >>>>>> not a link but opens with enter like a link. You'll find here the >>>>>> sharing info here and invite more people. Click here and write the >>>>>> e-mail address there. Finally you need to press "send invites" >>>>>> Button. However, I couldn't manage to do that with jaws and internet >>>>>> explorer. I ask someone sighted to press the button. It's an >>>>>> accessibility issue or my problem. >>>>>> Anyway if you have a shared folder with others, when you put an item >>>>>> in it, everyone will see it. While doing a group project it's very >>>>>> nice to use this way. Everybody can make changes on the document and >>>>>> others instantly would see. Be careful, if you delete an item, it >>>>>> would disappear from everybody's folders. To be able to share a folder >>>>>> like this, others should have a dropbox account. They can open it when >>>>>> you send a sharing invitation. By doing so you'll get extra space on >>>>>> your dropbox account. >>>>>> If you have any more questions, please ask me. >>>>>> And if anybody can press the send invitation button, please share with >>>>>> me. >>>>>> Happy new year for everybody. >>>>>> Elif >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 2013/12/30, Helga Schreiber : >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Begin forwarded message: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Helga Schreiber" >>>>>>>> Date: December 30, 2013 at 10:52:12 PM EST >>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] How to use Dropbox >>>>>>>> Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you? I just wanted to ask you, does >>>>>>>> anyone >>>>>>>> here know how to use Dropbox very well for school? I >>>>>>>> actually install Dropbox in my computer, and download the Dropbox >>>>>>>> app >>>>>>>> into >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> my iPhone 5, but I really don't know how to use it even though they >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> a started guide. And I don't know if you can, but if yu could, would >>>>>>>> it >>>>>>>> be >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> possible for you to give me a lesson or telling me some steps in how >>>>>>>> could >>>>>>>> I >>>>>>>> start using it for colege assignments and keeping and putting papers >>>>>>>> on >>>>>>>> there? I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and >>>>>>>> give >>>>>>>> me >>>>>>>> some suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God bless!! >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. 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Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber%40hotmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jan 1 04:55:24 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2013 23:55:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year Message-ID: Hi all, Happy new year! I hope you had fun celebrating tonight. I hope your new year is fulfilling with milestones or great accomplishments. Ashley From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 05:44:18 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 00:44:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Note taking In-Reply-To: References: <2486190A-B5DB-41E8-9C21-9398E9EFA91B@yahoo.com> <122302A2-B975-419F-B24B-9B3E7B138DFA@gmail.com> <011101cf05cf$a5975040$f0c5f0c0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20131231064805.01e83df8@comcast.net> Message-ID: On 12/31/13, Ryan Silveira wrote: > If you have a BrailleNote APex or a Braille Sence U2, you can also > connect it to the iPad or iPhone using bluetooth and use it as a > bluetooth keyboard and braille display. That way, you can even mute > Voiceover and read what your phone is saying on the display. > > Ryan > > On 12/31/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi, >> >> Last I checked there was a Dragon Dictate app for the IPhone in the >> app store. It did a slightly better job than the IOS dictation, but >> it wasn't considerable enough for me to really say it was great for a >> long note. It worked fine for writing quick emails and the like. >> >> If you're just looking to get stuff written down faster than you could >> using the on-screen keyboard, how about looking into an external case >> for your phone with a qwerty keyboard? I had one that connected via >> bluetooth and it can save a lot of time. AT Guys usually has them for >> a pretty good price if you're interested. >> >> On 12/31/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> Good jorning, Don't forget mr. Victor Stream whose Mic is quite >>> good.. if looking for a relitavely low-tech way. >>> for today, Car >>> >>> /2013, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>I also like the Victor Reader Stream, but that is not an IPhone app. >>>> >>>>Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Joe wrote: >>>> >>>> > You could also use an Olympus recorder to capture a clear recording. >>>> > Smartphones are great but not necessarily equipped with the best >>>> > microphones. Then I think, though you'd have to check me on this, you >>>> > could >>>> > use something like Dragon to convert the audio to text. It's an >>>> > expensive >>>> > suggestion, but I don't think you'll find an app to do exactly what >>>> > you're >>>> > looking for. If there is such a thing, by all means let us in on it. >>>> > >>>> > Joe >>>> > >>>> > -- >>>> > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>> > >>>> > Visit my blog: >>>> > http://joeorozco.com/blog >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph >>>> > Hudson >>>> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:01 PM >>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Note taking >>>> > >>>> > Hello Bobby, you can do that would just about any app, my pages >>>> or the notes >>>> > app on the iPhone but it won't pick up voices that are very far away >>>> > and >>>> > if >>>> > it does it's definitely going to probably typed the wrong thing. And >>>> > you >>>> > will have to restart dictation, about every minute to 30 seconds. >>>> > >>>> > Joseph Hudson >>>> > Email >>>> > jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone >>>> > >>>> >> On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>>> >> wrote: >>>> >> >>>> >> Hello, >>>> >> >>>> >> Does anyone know of any good iPhone or iPad apps for dictating? I >>>> >> would >>>> > like to try an app that could possibly write everything said during a >>>> > lecture, meeting, seminar, etc. >>>> >> >>>> >> Thanks! >>>> >> >>>> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> >> (336) 988-6375 >>>> >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> >> for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> > nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 05:49:30 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 00:49:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Note taking In-Reply-To: References: <2486190A-B5DB-41E8-9C21-9398E9EFA91B@yahoo.com> <122302A2-B975-419F-B24B-9B3E7B138DFA@gmail.com> <011101cf05cf$a5975040$f0c5f0c0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20131231064805.01e83df8@comcast.net> Message-ID: It really depends on what you're trying to accomplish. If you really want to dictate using verbal input to get text output, Dragon or the dictate built into your IPhone would be your apps, as well as the voice memo app if you want to talk and transcribe what is said later. If you are just looking for a faster way to type there are pros and cons to having a qwerty keyboard in a case and a notetaker. Using the keyboard case will allow you to have the option of using it no matter if you have your notetaker with you or not. Most models work well, however they can be flimsy if you aren't careful with them. Using the notetaker is a good option, but it is bulkier. I personally don't like to take my notetaker to places where I feel it won't be needed and don't feel like I want to sacrifice my typing speed in the process. It all depends on what you are wanting to do. On 1/1/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > On 12/31/13, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> If you have a BrailleNote APex or a Braille Sence U2, you can also >> connect it to the iPad or iPhone using bluetooth and use it as a >> bluetooth keyboard and braille display. That way, you can even mute >> Voiceover and read what your phone is saying on the display. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 12/31/13, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> Last I checked there was a Dragon Dictate app for the IPhone in the >>> app store. It did a slightly better job than the IOS dictation, but >>> it wasn't considerable enough for me to really say it was great for a >>> long note. It worked fine for writing quick emails and the like. >>> >>> If you're just looking to get stuff written down faster than you could >>> using the on-screen keyboard, how about looking into an external case >>> for your phone with a qwerty keyboard? I had one that connected via >>> bluetooth and it can save a lot of time. AT Guys usually has them for >>> a pretty good price if you're interested. >>> >>> On 12/31/13, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>>> Good jorning, Don't forget mr. Victor Stream whose Mic is quite >>>> good.. if looking for a relitavely low-tech way. >>>> for today, Car >>>> >>>> /2013, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>>I also like the Victor Reader Stream, but that is not an IPhone app. >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:26 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>> >>>>> > You could also use an Olympus recorder to capture a clear recording. >>>>> > Smartphones are great but not necessarily equipped with the best >>>>> > microphones. Then I think, though you'd have to check me on this, >>>>> > you >>>>> > could >>>>> > use something like Dragon to convert the audio to text. It's an >>>>> > expensive >>>>> > suggestion, but I don't think you'll find an app to do exactly what >>>>> > you're >>>>> > looking for. If there is such a thing, by all means let us in on it. >>>>> > >>>>> > Joe >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>>> > >>>>> > Visit my blog: >>>>> > http://joeorozco.com/blog >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > -----Original Message----- >>>>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph >>>>> > Hudson >>>>> > Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 2:01 PM >>>>> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Note taking >>>>> > >>>>> > Hello Bobby, you can do that would just about any app, my pages >>>>> or the notes >>>>> > app on the iPhone but it won't pick up voices that are very far away >>>>> > and >>>>> > if >>>>> > it does it's definitely going to probably typed the wrong thing. And >>>>> > you >>>>> > will have to restart dictation, about every minute to 30 seconds. >>>>> > >>>>> > Joseph Hudson >>>>> > Email >>>>> > jhud7789 at yahoo.com Sent from my iPhone >>>>> > >>>>> >> On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:41 PM, Bobbi Pompey >>>>> >> wrote: >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Hello, >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Does anyone know of any good iPhone or iPad apps for dictating? I >>>>> >> would >>>>> > like to try an app that could possibly write everything said during >>>>> > a >>>>> > lecture, meeting, seminar, etc. >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Thanks! >>>>> >> >>>>> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>>> >> (336) 988-6375 >>>>> >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>>> >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >>>>> >> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> >> for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jhud7789%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > for >>>>> > nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > -- Kaiti From jsoro620 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 15:48:42 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 10:48:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad, Not the Most Economical Choice for Blind Consumers Message-ID: <006701cf0708$f27e9af0$d77bd0d0$@gmail.com> Hi, I find myself responding to similar questions about whether or not the iPad is worth its price tag. After a year attempting to fall in love with mine and eventually giving her away, I decided to write a more elaborate rationale for why it just didn't click. Check it out, and by all means feel free to disagree in the comments to give prospective buyers a well-rounded response. You can find the post at: http://joeorozco.com/blog_ipad_not_the_most_economical_choice_for_blind_cons umers Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 1 16:18:59 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 01 Jan 2014 08:18:59 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] iPad, Not the Most Economical Choice for Blind Consumers Message-ID: <52c44023.41c4440a.4848.fffffe8e@mx.google.com> I do not have an i-pad, but am getting one soon I think. Sure, it may seem difficult, but if you have a Braille Note, a Braille Sense u2, a voice note, or a voice note u2, you can connect the ipad to the machines. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe" ,"A general technology discussion list" ,"'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" References: <52c44023.41c4440a.4848.fffffe8e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I use an IPad for school. Let me know if you need any help. Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad On Jan 1, 2014, at 11:18 AM, marissa wrote: > > I do not have an i-pad, but am getting one soon I think. Sure, it may seem difficult, but if you have a Braille Note, a Braille Sense u2, a voice note, or a voice note u2, you can connect the ipad to the machines. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joe" To: ,"A general technology discussion list" ,"'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS'" Date sent: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 10:48:42 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] iPad, Not the Most Economical Choice for Blind Consumers > > Hi, > > > > I find myself responding to similar questions about whether or not the iPad > is worth its price tag. After a year attempting to fall in love with mine > and eventually giving her away, I decided to write a more elaborate > rationale for why it just didn't click. Check it out, and by all means feel > free to disagree in the comments to give prospective buyers a well-rounded > response. You can find the post at: > > > > http://joeorozco.com/blog_ipad_not_the_most_economical_choice_for > _blind_cons > umers > > > > Joe > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 01:36:57 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 17:36:57 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] new Years Wishes Message-ID: <178C527C-D386-4786-8018-93E8277BDB45@gmail.com> I just wanted to wish all of you the best in all of your endeavors in 2014. May you find much success in all parts of your life and may you always find love and support in your federation family. All the best to you and yours, Darian From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 01:38:24 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 1 Jan 2014 20:38:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new Years Wishes In-Reply-To: <178C527C-D386-4786-8018-93E8277BDB45@gmail.com> References: <178C527C-D386-4786-8018-93E8277BDB45@gmail.com> Message-ID: <003e01cf075b$540473b0$fc0d5b10$@gmail.com> Thanks partner. Thumbs up and happy new year. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:37 PM Subject: [nabs-l] new Years Wishes I just wanted to wish all of you the best in all of your endeavors in 2014. May you find much success in all parts of your life and may you always find love and support in your federation family. All the best to you and yours, Darian _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 16:08:43 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 11:08:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- New Year's Wishes Message-ID: <52c58f38.4e24e00a.29c8.5e43@mx.google.com> Happy new year everyone. I hope all goes well for you in 2014. I look forward to meeting more members from Florida on this list. From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Thu Jan 2 16:37:19 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:37:19 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Sandra Gayer's exciting news. Message-ID: Hello everyone, I hope you've all had a wonderful Christmas and a happy New Year. I also hope 2014 proves to be a great success for you. 2013 was very busy for me but I have three highlights. I sang in Italy with members of The Pavarotti Foundation, I won a prestigious award in New York for my radio programme and I finished the year by Singing at The House of Commons before jetting off to Ireland for my Christmas holidays. Last year, I wrote to the list, asking for visually impaired performers to contribute to a feature on my radio programme called The Insight Music Box, broadcast on RNIB's Insight Radio. I would really like to thank Jo Bollard, Ioana Gandrabur, Fiona Kyle, Dale Lieser, Saeed Mirzazadeh, Angela Purll and Regina Rainey. (This is an alphabetical list not an order of broadcast). If you want to hear how splendid they are, tune in to The Insight Music Box from Monday January 6th. Insight Radio is available through the fully accessible website www.insightradio.co.uk Glasgow 101FM Freesat777 and Sky Channel0188. The Insight Music Box broadcasts every Monday and Sunday from 7PM (GMT) and each episode is available on the website for 7 days after the Monday broadcast. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/2/14, justin williams wrote: > Thanks partner. > Thumbs up and happy new year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] new Years Wishes > > I just wanted to wish all of you the best in all of your endeavors in > 2014. > > May you find much success in all parts of your life and may you always > find > love and support in your federation family. > All the best to you and yours, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html From ALewis at nfb.org Thu Jan 2 16:52:25 2014 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 16:52:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question Message-ID: <96f126a22dcc4dcbb57002aabec97256@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> A Ridiculous Question Submitted by alewis on Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:32 Blog Date: Thursday, January 2, 2014 By Anil Lewis https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/ridiculous-question So you go to work tomorrow, and it is pay day. You receive a paycheck for $15.00 for two weeks of work. You speak to your supervisor, and you are informed that the company has switched to a new payroll model based on a new law, Section D (9) (u), that calculates wages based on a new commensurate wage formula. This new formula is only used to calculate the wages paid to you and others like you. Although you are as productive as the other employees, no one else but you and others like you are subjected to this new wage formula, especially not management or the company executives. In fact, the executives are now receiving six-figure salaries as a result of the cost savings created by the new wage structure for workers like you. You complain, to no avail. Managers attempt to convince you that this new structure still offers you the ability to receive the tangible and intangible benefits of work. After all, it is not about the money, it is about fulfillment. This is not acceptable to you, so you seek vocational training that allows you to be a more productive employee. You go to a section D(9)(u) vocational training program that claims to be the best training program for people like you. This community training program is operated in a sheltered, segregated environment comprised of other people like you. The program assists you in developing the work and interpersonal skills necessary to be a competitive employee. They focus on teaching you real-world job skills like how to fold letters, stuff envelopes, sort hangers, hang clothes, and screw caps on pens. Although none of these tasks match your unique skills, talents, abilities or interests, it is what the training program has to offer. If there are no letters to be folded, envelopes to be stuffed, hangers to be sorted, or pens to be capped, the program offers you the opportunity to play video games, play cards, read books, or sleep. The section D(9)(u) program costs more than other conventional training programs, but it is subsidized with public funds and operates as a charitable 501(c)(3) organization. The program has a competitive employment placement rate of less than 5 percent and therefore, most of the workers spend their entire vocational existence in this "training" program. Even though the program has no measureable positive impact on improving the employment of people like you, the marketing team is successful in their efforts of convincing public policy makers and philanthropic funding sources to feel that this is the best employment strategy for people like you. It is obvious that this new policy is denying you the opportunity to reach your full vocational potential, while endorsing incompetent training programs and substandard employers. You want this policy repealed and you want the same workplace and wage protections as every other employee. Okay, there is no Section D(9)(u) that exempts you from receiving equal wage protections, but there is a Section 14(c ) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) that exempts people like me from being guaranteed the federal minimum wage. So my question is, "Why is this type of discriminatory policy not so ridiculous when it applies to people like me?" For more information, visit http://www.nfb.org/fair-wages. Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 01:34:26 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 20:34:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question In-Reply-To: <96f126a22dcc4dcbb57002aabec97256@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> References: <96f126a22dcc4dcbb57002aabec97256@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <00ce01cf0823$f082b850$d18828f0$@gmail.com> Anil, Great appeal to the public mind regarding subminimum wages. Well done. I will be sure to share this with my sighted friends and colleagues. Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Anil Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:52 AM To: Affiliate Presidents (state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org); nfb-legislative-directors at nfbnet.org Cc: NABS List (nabs-l at nfbnet.org); NFB Chapter Presidents discussion list (chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org) Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question A Ridiculous Question Submitted by alewis on Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:32 Blog Date: Thursday, January 2, 2014 By Anil Lewis https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/ridiculous-question So you go to work tomorrow, and it is pay day. You receive a paycheck for $15.00 for two weeks of work. You speak to your supervisor, and you are informed that the company has switched to a new payroll model based on a new law, Section D (9) (u), that calculates wages based on a new commensurate wage formula. This new formula is only used to calculate the wages paid to you and others like you. Although you are as productive as the other employees, no one else but you and others like you are subjected to this new wage formula, especially not management or the company executives. In fact, the executives are now receiving six-figure salaries as a result of the cost savings created by the new wage structure for workers like you. You complain, to no avail. Managers attempt to convince you that this new structure still offers you the ability to receive the tangible and intangible benefits of work. After all, it is not about the money, it is about fulfillment. This is not acceptable to you, so you seek vocational training that allows you to be a more productive employee. You go to a section D(9)(u) vocational training program that claims to be the best training program for people like you. This community training program is operated in a sheltered, segregated environment comprised of other people like you. The program assists you in developing the work and interpersonal skills necessary to be a competitive employee. They focus on teaching you real-world job skills like how to fold letters, stuff envelopes, sort hangers, hang clothes, and screw caps on pens. Although none of these tasks match your unique skills, talents, abilities or interests, it is what the training program has to offer. If there are no letters to be folded, envelopes to be stuffed, hangers to be sorted, or pens to be capped, the program offers you the opportunity to play video games, play cards, read books, or sleep. The section D(9)(u) program costs more than other conventional training programs, but it is subsidized with public funds and operates as a charitable 501(c)(3) organization. The program has a competitive employment placement rate of less than 5 percent and therefore, most of the workers spend their entire vocational existence in this "training" program. Even though the program has no measureable positive impact on improving the employment of people like you, the marketing team is successful in their efforts of convincing public policy makers and philanthropic funding sources to feel that this is the best employment strategy for people like you. It is obvious that this new policy is denying you the opportunity to reach your full vocational potential, while endorsing incompetent training programs and substandard employers. You want this policy repealed and you want the same workplace and wage protections as every other employee. Okay, there is no Section D(9)(u) that exempts you from receiving equal wage protections, but there is a Section 14(c ) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) that exempts people like me from being guaranteed the federal minimum wage. So my question is, "Why is this type of discriminatory policy not so ridiculous when it applies to people like me?" For more information, visit http://www.nfb.org/fair-wages. Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 01:39:46 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 20:39:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Sandra Gayer's exciting news. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00d501cf0824$af408600$0dc19200$@gmail.com> Sandra, Congratulations on your singing accomplishments. What an honor to sing before the House of Commons! Are you looking for blind performers from the UK only to feature in your program? If you are opening this opportunity to those living in the US, you might contact the Performing Arts Division of our Federation. Their Web site is www.padnfb.org. They also have a list on nfbnet.org called Perform-Talk. Congratulations again on your achievements and Happy New Year, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:37 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Sandra Gayer's exciting news. Hello everyone, I hope you've all had a wonderful Christmas and a happy New Year. I also hope 2014 proves to be a great success for you. 2013 was very busy for me but I have three highlights. I sang in Italy with members of The Pavarotti Foundation, I won a prestigious award in New York for my radio programme and I finished the year by Singing at The House of Commons before jetting off to Ireland for my Christmas holidays. Last year, I wrote to the list, asking for visually impaired performers to contribute to a feature on my radio programme called The Insight Music Box, broadcast on RNIB's Insight Radio. I would really like to thank Jo Bollard, Ioana Gandrabur, Fiona Kyle, Dale Lieser, Saeed Mirzazadeh, Angela Purll and Regina Rainey. (This is an alphabetical list not an order of broadcast). If you want to hear how splendid they are, tune in to The Insight Music Box from Monday January 6th. Insight Radio is available through the fully accessible website www.insightradio.co.uk Glasgow 101FM Freesat777 and Sky Channel0188. The Insight Music Box broadcasts every Monday and Sunday from 7PM (GMT) and each episode is available on the website for 7 days after the Monday broadcast. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/2/14, justin williams wrote: > Thanks partner. > Thumbs up and happy new year. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian > Smith > Sent: Wednesday, January 01, 2014 8:37 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] new Years Wishes > > I just wanted to wish all of you the best in all of your endeavors in > 2014. > > May you find much success in all parts of your life and may you > always find love and support in your federation family. > All the best to you and yours, > Darian > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gma > il.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 01:50:15 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 20:50:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> I would like to join with everyone who has already written with New Year's wishes to wish everyone a happy 2014. May this new year be a happy, prosperous and successful year for you and yours. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:55 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] new year Hi all, Happy new year! I hope you had fun celebrating tonight. I hope your new year is fulfilling with milestones or great accomplishments. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 02:10:27 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:10:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> References: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <373C4D98-E6AB-4CED-8D6C-BCD4727335D9@icloud.com> Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I would like to join with everyone who has already written with New Year's > wishes to wish everyone a happy 2014. May this new year be a happy, > prosperous and successful year for you and yours. > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] new year > > Hi all, > > Happy new year! I hope you had fun celebrating tonight. I hope your new year > is fulfilling with milestones or great accomplishments. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.comHappynew year to you as well. I have responded to several posts, but never introduced myself. I am in 8th grade, going in to high school. I had every one that was off for the hollidays had a good break. Best, Mikayla From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 02:16:24 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:16:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> References: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8A36D016-C31B-4AFE-96E1-9E659BAAE18A@icloud.com> Happy new year. Let me take the time to introduce myself. I am in 8th grade, and will be going in to high school next school year. When I am old enough, I want to be a TVI for my career. I hope that every one who was off for the hollidays had a good break. Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I would like to join with everyone who has already written with New Year's > wishes to wish everyone a happy 2014. May this new year be a happy, > prosperous and successful year for you and yours. > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] new year > > Hi all, > > Happy new year! I hope you had fun celebrating tonight. I hope your new year > is fulfilling with milestones or great accomplishments. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Fri Jan 3 04:20:08 2014 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:20:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <8A36D016-C31B-4AFE-96E1-9E659BAAE18A@icloud.com> References: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> <8A36D016-C31B-4AFE-96E1-9E659BAAE18A@icloud.com> Message-ID: <52C63A78.40207@pcdesk.net> Great to meet you, Mikayla. I'm guessing you start high school in August, right? You're about to start what will likely be some of the more interesting years in your life. High school and college were in mine anyway, I know that much. I think it's cool that you already have a career goal in mind and you're not even in high school yet. Some of us don't figure that out until, well, let's just say a long time later. What draws you to TVI as a career? Joe From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 04:35:12 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 2 Jan 2014 23:35:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone question Message-ID: Hi everyone, I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to work around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my charger, and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying that it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone to factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can avoid it. I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a restore and loss of all content on the device. Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of my apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. Thanks, -- Kaiti From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 04:47:53 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 20:47:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] new year Message-ID: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> I'd like to add to the thing about high school. It's interesting, I'll say that. I'm a freshman in high school. So far so good, but getting a straight a for the semister didn't go as planned, ah well. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" References: Message-ID: Hello, I actually am having a similar problem. My iTunes is in recognizing my iPhone either. But I didn't really think much of it I thought it was an issue with the cord. In the past, I had another issue with my phone where I had to restore it. I called the Apple customer service, and one of the technical support people help me through it. He is walk me through some process where he could see what was on my computer screen. Then he took me to step-by-step to help me back up my iPhone and restored. After this my phone was exactly how it was before this issue occurred. I didn't lose any apps any music any contact any phone numbers etc. I was suggest calling Apple before you try to do anything yourself. Their technical support people really help me and I'm sure they can help you as well. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if > anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. > > I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been > acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to work > around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my charger, > and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. > It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying that > it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone to > factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can > avoid it. > > I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the > IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your > content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program > called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different > extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this > program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. > > I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices > including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked > around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a > restore and loss of all content on the device. > > Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of my > apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. > > Thanks, > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Fri Jan 3 05:21:53 2014 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:21:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is good. I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always next semester. How close were you this time? Joe From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 06:08:49 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:08:49 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] new year Message-ID: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> Not entirely sure, but for my first quarter grade, which doesn't count, I had 5 as and a b in Science. I think I got four a's and two b's because of the finals. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joseph C. Lininger" References: Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, Honestly, you are most probably going to need to restore the phone. As long as everything is backed up to either iCloud or iTunes or both, you should be fine. I know it's tedious and I'm sorry that this is the solution, but it's the best option you have. Let me know if you want/need more help. On 1/2/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, I actually am having a similar problem. My iTunes is in recognizing > my iPhone either. But I didn't really think much of it I thought it was an > issue with the cord. In the past, I had another issue with my phone where I > had to restore it. I called the Apple customer service, and one of the > technical support people help me through it. He is walk me through some > process where he could see what was on my computer screen. Then he took me > to step-by-step to help me back up my iPhone and restored. After this my > phone was exactly how it was before this issue occurred. I didn't lose any > apps any music any contact any phone numbers etc. I was suggest calling > Apple before you try to do anything yourself. Their technical support people > really help me and I'm sure they can help you as well. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton >> wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if >> anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. >> >> I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been >> acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to work >> around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my charger, >> and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. >> It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying that >> it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone to >> factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can >> avoid it. >> >> I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the >> IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your >> content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program >> called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different >> extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this >> program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. >> >> I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices >> including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked >> around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a >> restore and loss of all content on the device. >> >> Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of my >> apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 14:17:53 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:17:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone question In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <6D92406C-2A41-4AC3-853F-D6E68BF02475@icloud.com> Also, post it on the NFB in Computer Science list. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, I actually am having a similar problem. My iTunes is in recognizing my iPhone either. But I didn't really think much of it I thought it was an issue with the cord. In the past, I had another issue with my phone where I had to restore it. I called the Apple customer service, and one of the technical support people help me through it. He is walk me through some process where he could see what was on my computer screen. Then he took me to step-by-step to help me back up my iPhone and restored. After this my phone was exactly how it was before this issue occurred. I didn't lose any apps any music any contact any phone numbers etc. I was suggest calling Apple before you try to do anything yourself. Their technical support people really help me and I'm sure they can help you as well. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> >> Hi everyone, >> >> I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if >> anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. >> >> I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been >> acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to work >> around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my charger, >> and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. >> It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying that >> it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone to >> factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can >> avoid it. >> >> I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the >> IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your >> content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program >> called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different >> extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this >> program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. >> >> I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices >> including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked >> around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a >> restore and loss of all content on the device. >> >> Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of my >> apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. >> >> Thanks, >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 14:30:00 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:30:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> For the first trimester, Science was tricky. Now it is the second trimester, and my mom is helping me a little more, and that has helped. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:08 AM, marissa wrote: > > Not entirely sure, but for my first quarter grade, which doesn't count, I had 5 as and a b in Science. I think I got four a's and two b's because of the finals. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph C. Lininger" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:21:53 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is > good. I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I > passed. I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is > easier. Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in > the long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's > always next semester. How close were you this time? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 14:32:48 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:32:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" wrote: > LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is good. I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always next semester. How close were you this time? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 14:53:10 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:53:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1502D0A8-EF0F-43DC-A727-19534C763442@icloud.com> Is it a new district? Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:47 PM, marissa wrote: > > I'd like to add to the thing about high school. > It's interesting, I'll say that. I'm a freshman in high school. So far so good, but getting a straight a for the semister didn't go as planned, ah well. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph C. Lininger" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 21:20:08 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > Great to meet you, Mikayla. I'm guessing you start high school in > August, right? You're about to start what will likely be some of the > more interesting years in your life. High school and college were in > mine anyway, I know that much. I think it's cool that you already have a > career goal in mind and you're not even in high school yet. Some of us > don't figure that out until, well, let's just say a long time later. > What draws you to TVI as a career? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 14:56:03 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 09:56:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52C63A78.40207@pcdesk.net> References: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> <8A36D016-C31B-4AFE-96E1-9E659BAAE18A@icloud.com> <52C63A78.40207@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <42EB3E13-492E-4551-8B40-4C740AE56CD7@icloud.com> September. I want to be a TVI to make sure that my students have all of the experiences that I have liked with TVI's, and make sure that they don't have what I didn't like. I also want to make sure that students who are not getting good services get better services! Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:20 PM, "Joseph C. Lininger" wrote: > Great to meet you, Mikayla. I'm guessing you start high school in August, right? You're about to start what will likely be some of the more interesting years in your life. High school and college were in mine anyway, I know that much. I think it's cool that you already have a career goal in mind and you're not even in high school yet. Some of us don't figure that out until, well, let's just say a long time later. What draws you to TVI as a career? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 16:50:18 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 11:50:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone question In-Reply-To: <6D92406C-2A41-4AC3-853F-D6E68BF02475@icloud.com> References: <6D92406C-2A41-4AC3-853F-D6E68BF02475@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi all, Bobbi, I was just about to look up the Apple number when I remembered to check this thread. :) Thanks for the feedback on how things will work after I restore. The main thing I was concerned about losing was my contacts. I think everything should be backed up to the cloud, but I just didn't want to take the chance doing it myself and lose all my data, plus possibly screwing up the phone in other ways. (I read on the Apple Support Forums that some DIY restores that people did to try to correct this issue went really wrong with phones not turning on again, phones not going completely through the restore process, etc.) I'll call Apple some time this weekend. Worst case scenario would be that I just don't do anything. I don't really connect to ITunes much, and I am supposed to give a family member my phone and get a new one in a few months anyway. On 1/3/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Also, post it on the NFB in Computer Science list. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello, I actually am having a similar problem. My iTunes is in recognizing >> my iPhone either. But I didn't really think much of it I thought it was an >> issue with the cord. In the past, I had another issue with my phone where >> I had to restore it. I called the Apple customer service, and one of the >> technical support people help me through it. He is walk me through some >> process where he could see what was on my computer screen. Then he took me >> to step-by-step to help me back up my iPhone and restored. After this my >> phone was exactly how it was before this issue occurred. I didn't lose any >> apps any music any contact any phone numbers etc. I was suggest calling >> Apple before you try to do anything yourself. Their technical support >> people really help me and I'm sure they can help you as well. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if >>> anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. >>> >>> I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been >>> acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to work >>> around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my charger, >>> and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. >>> It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying that >>> it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone to >>> factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can >>> avoid it. >>> >>> I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the >>> IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your >>> content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program >>> called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different >>> extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this >>> program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. >>> >>> I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices >>> including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked >>> around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a >>> restore and loss of all content on the device. >>> >>> Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of my >>> apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 18:09:35 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:09:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] IPhone question In-Reply-To: References: <6D92406C-2A41-4AC3-853F-D6E68BF02475@icloud.com> Message-ID: <003301cf08ae$f62204b0$e2660e10$@gmail.com> Kaiti, In case you still need Apple's number, it is (800) 692-7753. This spells (800) MyApple on your keypad. Restoring the phone from an iCloud backup should work, assuming that all data is in fact backed up to the cloud. If you are able, I would recommend doing an iCloud backup first before giving the phone away. Good luck. HTH, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] IPhone question Hi all, Bobbi, I was just about to look up the Apple number when I remembered to check this thread. :) Thanks for the feedback on how things will work after I restore. The main thing I was concerned about losing was my contacts. I think everything should be backed up to the cloud, but I just didn't want to take the chance doing it myself and lose all my data, plus possibly screwing up the phone in other ways. (I read on the Apple Support Forums that some DIY restores that people did to try to correct this issue went really wrong with phones not turning on again, phones not going completely through the restore process, etc.) I'll call Apple some time this weekend. Worst case scenario would be that I just don't do anything. I don't really connect to ITunes much, and I am supposed to give a family member my phone and get a new one in a few months anyway. On 1/3/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Also, post it on the NFB in Computer Science list. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:11 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > >> Hello, I actually am having a similar problem. My iTunes is in >> recognizing my iPhone either. But I didn't really think much of it I >> thought it was an issue with the cord. In the past, I had another >> issue with my phone where I had to restore it. I called the Apple >> customer service, and one of the technical support people help me >> through it. He is walk me through some process where he could see >> what was on my computer screen. Then he took me to step-by-step to >> help me back up my iPhone and restored. After this my phone was >> exactly how it was before this issue occurred. I didn't lose any apps >> any music any contact any phone numbers etc. I was suggest calling >> Apple before you try to do anything yourself. Their technical support people really help me and I'm sure they can help you as well. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi everyone, >>> >>> I know this isn't exactly student related, but I was wondering if >>> anyone has ever had this technical issue with an IDevice. >>> >>> I have an IPhone 4 running the latest version of IOS7. It's been >>> acting really weird lately, but till this point I've been able to >>> work around the bugs. Tonight I lent someone the block part of my >>> charger, and planned to charge the device by just plugging it in to my laptop. >>> It's charging, but ITunes keeps giving me an error message saying >>> that it cannot read my IPhone. It instructs me to restore the Phone >>> to factory settings, which I do not particularly want to do if I can >>> avoid it. >>> >>> I looked on the Apple support forums and one fix to at least get the >>> IPhone in a state where you could back it up on ITunes and sync your >>> content back onto the phone after the restore was to use a program >>> called IFunBox and use it to delete two ITunes files with different >>> extensions that I had never seen before. I did not download this >>> program because I am unsure of how Jaws accessible it is. >>> >>> I found that this sort of problem can happen for other IOS devices >>> including IPods and IPads, so I was wondering if anyone has worked >>> around it and gotten things back to normal, preferably without a >>> restore and loss of all content on the device. >>> >>> Other specs: I am using a windows 7 computer with Jaws 13. All of >>> my apple software including ITunes is up-to-date. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yah >>> oo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >> ud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 18:16:30 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:16:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> Message-ID: <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> Mikayla, Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on or off-list. Good luck, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" wrote: > LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is good. I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always next semester. How close were you this time? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 18:25:36 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:25:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> In my school, it is A's and B's. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Mikayla, > > Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the challenge > of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those students who achieve > Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be disappointing for me, as I > often miss it by just one B. Your parents are right--just do the best you > can and the rest will follow. If you have any questions about high school, I > am happy to talk with you on or off-list. > > Good luck, > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My parents even > reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because they know how hard I > work. That is what gets me going! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" > wrote: > >> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is good. > I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. I > didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. Everyone > told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the long run, and > they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always next semester. > How close were you this time? >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 18:35:11 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:35:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year In my school, it is A's and B's. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Mikayla, > > Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the > challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those > students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be > disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents > are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you > have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on or off-list. > > Good luck, > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My parents > even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because they know > how hard I work. That is what gets me going! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" > wrote: > >> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is good. > I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. > I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. > Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the > long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always next semester. > How close were you this time? >> Joe >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou > d.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou > d.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 18:49:39 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 13:49:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. Right now, we are still figuring out what high school I will go to, although we are leaning towards the county Technical high school, since they have an Early Childhood program. However, we are also having a meeting with the local high school, but the Tech school has been very good. I am sure that I will be talking to you before the end of this school year. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > In my school, it is A's and B's. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Mikayla, >> >> Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the >> challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those >> students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be >> disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents >> are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you >> have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on or > off-list. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >> >> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My parents >> even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because they know >> how hard I work. That is what gets me going! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" >> wrote: >> >>> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is > good. >> I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. >> I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. >> Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the >> long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's always > next semester. >> How close were you this time? >>> Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou >> d.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou >> d.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 3 18:58:32 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 13:58:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: If you get as and bs, that is really good, especially if you are in honors classes. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:08 AM, marissa wrote: > > > Not entirely sure, but for my first quarter grade, which doesn't count, I had 5 as and a b in Science. I think I got four a's and two b's because of the finals. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Joseph C. Lininger" To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Thu, 02 Jan 2014 22:21:53 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is > good. I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I > passed. I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is > easier. Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in > the long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's > always next semester. How close were you this time? > Joe > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 3 19:01:20 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 14:01:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question In-Reply-To: <00ce01cf0823$f082b850$d18828f0$@gmail.com> References: <96f126a22dcc4dcbb57002aabec97256@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <00ce01cf0823$f082b850$d18828f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I agree. It has really helped me understand what is going on. Sent from my iPad On Jan 2, 2014, at 8:34 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Anil, > > Great appeal to the public mind regarding subminimum wages. Well done. I > will be sure to share this with my sighted friends and colleagues. > > Chris Nusbaum > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Anil > Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:52 AM > To: Affiliate Presidents (state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org); > nfb-legislative-directors at nfbnet.org > Cc: NABS List (nabs-l at nfbnet.org); NFB Chapter Presidents discussion list > (chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org) > Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question > > A Ridiculous Question > Submitted by alewis on Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:32 Blog Date: > Thursday, January 2, 2014 > By Anil Lewis > https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/ridiculous-question > > > So you go to work tomorrow, and it is pay day. You receive a paycheck for > $15.00 for two weeks of work. You speak to your supervisor, and you are > informed that the company has switched to a new payroll model based on a new > law, Section D (9) (u), that calculates wages based on a new commensurate > wage formula. This new formula is only used to calculate the wages paid to > you and others like you. Although you are as productive as the other > employees, no one else but you and others like you are subjected to this new > wage formula, especially not management or the company executives. In fact, > the executives are now receiving six-figure salaries as a result of the cost > savings created by the new wage structure for workers like you. You > complain, to no avail. Managers attempt to convince you that this new > structure still offers you the ability to receive the tangible and > intangible benefits of work. After all, it is not about the money, it is > about fulfillment. > This is not acceptable to you, so you seek vocational training that allows > you to be a more productive employee. You go to a section D(9)(u) vocational > training program that claims to be the best training program for people like > you. This community training program is operated in a sheltered, segregated > environment comprised of other people like you. The program assists you in > developing the work and interpersonal skills necessary to be a competitive > employee. They focus on teaching you real-world job skills like how to fold > letters, stuff envelopes, sort hangers, hang clothes, and screw caps on > pens. Although none of these tasks match your unique skills, talents, > abilities or interests, it is what the training program has to offer. If > there are no letters to be folded, envelopes to be stuffed, hangers to be > sorted, or pens to be capped, the program offers you the opportunity to play > video games, play cards, read books, or sleep. > The section D(9)(u) program costs more than other conventional training > programs, but it is subsidized with public funds and operates as a > charitable 501(c)(3) organization. The program has a competitive employment > placement rate of less than 5 percent and therefore, most of the workers > spend their entire vocational existence in this "training" program. Even > though the program has no measureable positive impact on improving the > employment of people like you, the marketing team is successful in their > efforts of convincing public policy makers and philanthropic funding sources > to feel that this is the best employment strategy for people like you. > It is obvious that this new policy is denying you the opportunity to reach > your full vocational potential, while endorsing incompetent training > programs and substandard employers. You want this policy repealed and you > want the same workplace and wage protections as every other employee. > Okay, there is no Section D(9)(u) that exempts you from receiving equal wage > protections, but there is a Section 14(c ) of the Fair Labor Standards Act > (FLSA) that exempts people like me from being guaranteed the federal minimum > wage. So my question is, "Why is this type of discriminatory policy not so > ridiculous when it applies to people like me?" > For more information, visit http://www.nfb.org/fair-wages. > > > Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. > Director of Advocacy and Policy > > "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" > http://www.nfb.org/fairwages > NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND > 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place > Baltimore, Maryland 21230 > (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) > (410) 685-5653 (FAX) > Email: alewis at nfb.org > Web: www.nfb.org > twitter: @anillife > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Fri Jan 3 19:16:50 2014 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 14:16:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] letter In-Reply-To: References: <1813654503.331027.1388685898696.JavaMail.root@sz0078a.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net> Message-ID: January 1, 2014 Dear President’s and Members, The new year has begun and we are once again preparing for our state convention, It also is time to renew state dues for the year. Dues for 2014 will be $5.00 and must be to the treasurer by March 1,2014. Convention Details Date; March7-9,2014 Where; Holiday Inn Opryland 2300 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN Reservation can be made by calling 1-866-871-1171 The rate is $100.00 per night Plus tax the block will be held until Feb 11, 2014 after that the rate will not be guaranteed When you call ask for the block of rooms for the National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee Convention Registration $10.00 Banquet Tickets $35.00 All monies should be sent to the treasurer at the address below. Evelyn Hogue 1429 Reata Pass Memphis, TN.38109 It will help if chapters will collect money from your members and send one check along with a detailed list. Thank You, Sharon Treadway Secretary NFB Of Tennessee In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 2:14 PM, Stephanie H. DeLuca wrote: > > In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. > ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 > > > ---------- Forwarded message ---------- > From: James Brown > Date: Thu, Jan 2, 2014 at 1:57 PM > Subject: Fwd: letter > To: Randy , Terry Smith , > Natalie Norwood , Stephanie Deluca < > sjhhirst at gmail.com>, Sharon Tredway > > > Please disseminate the information about our upcoming state convention to > your chapters and divisions as soon as possible. > > Thank you very much, > > Sent from James Brown's iPhone > > Begin forwarded message: > > *From:* SHARONPARIS at comcast.net > *Date:* January 2, 2014 at 12:04:58 PM CST > *To:* jbrown369 at me.com > *Subject:* *letter* > > > This is the letter I will be sending to presidents and at large members. > Thanks > Sharon > > > > > From devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net Sat Jan 4 03:35:33 2014 From: devnull-nabs-l at pcdesk.net (Joseph C. Lininger) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 20:35:33 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> Message-ID: <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 03:47:18 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 19:47:18 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> References: <00ee01cf0826$266386f0$732a94d0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for those wishes chris! by the way, if you could contact me off-list that would be most appreciated. Best, Darian On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:50 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I would like to join with everyone who has already written with New Year's > wishes to wish everyone a happy 2014. May this new year be a happy, > prosperous and successful year for you and yours. > > Chris > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Tuesday, December 31, 2013 11:55 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] new year > > Hi all, > > Happy new year! I hope you had fun celebrating tonight. I hope your new year > is fulfilling with milestones or great accomplishments. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 03:56:27 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 22:56:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <006801cf0900$f1f551b0$d5dff510$@gmail.com> Sounds good. Are you considering applying for out-of-district placement? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:50 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year Thank you. Right now, we are still figuring out what high school I will go to, although we are leaning towards the county Technical high school, since they have an Early Childhood program. However, we are also having a meeting with the local high school, but the Tech school has been very good. I am sure that I will be talking to you before the end of this school year. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > In my school, it is A's and B's. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Mikayla, >> >> Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the >> challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those >> students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be >> disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents >> are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you >> have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on >> or > off-list. >> >> Good luck, >> >> Chris >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >> >> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My >> parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because >> they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" >> wrote: >> >>> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is > good. >> I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. >> I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. >> Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the >> long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's >> always > next semester. >> How close were you this time? >>> Joe >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >> u >> d.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >> g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >> u >> d.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g > mail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou > d.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:03:45 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student’s time. thoughts? Darian On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:32:46 2014 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:32:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Workshop for Blind Students in STEM In-Reply-To: <00b501cf05c5$b0b630e0$122292a0$@earthlink.net> References: <00b501cf05c5$b0b630e0$122292a0$@earthlink.net> Message-ID: <00cb01cf0906$05045ee0$0f0d1ca0$@gmail.com> Please read below for a great opportunity from the University of Washington for blind students interested in STEM careers. Thanks to Curtis Chong, NFB Computer Science Division President, for sharing this message. Thanks, Sean Empowering Blind Students in Science and Engineering Are you pursuing a career in Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math (STEM)? Are you interested in meeting other blind people just like you? Apply to take part in the Empowering Blind Students in Science and Engineering workshop! This amazing opportunity will allow blind and visually impaired students to: . Attend presentations on professional development and accessibility . Be mentored by successful blind STEM professionals . Network with industry, government, and education leaders . And meet blind students pursuing STEM just like you! . Who: Blind high school and college students pursuing STEM careers . When: Monday and Tuesday, June 2 and 3, 2014 . Where: Seattle, WA Applicants must be at least 18 years old by the date of the workshop. Selected applicants will receive an expenses-paid trip. See our website for the application and more details. http://ebsse.cs.washington.edu/ this workshop is organized by Professor Richard Ladner at the University of Washington and sponsored by The Fetzer Institute. Email your questions to the workshop contact, Cynthia Bennett, at bennec3 at cs.washington.edu From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:33:52 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:33:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <007c01cf0906$2c35a280$84a0e780$@gmail.com> Darian, I think the high school call is a wonderful idea! We did a similar thing here in Maryland as part of our student division meeting at the state convention. I would be willing to assist in coordinating this call. BTW, I wrote you off-list as you requested. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:04 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student's time. thoughts? Darian On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:47:33 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 20:47:33 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Message-ID: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> Sounds=20good=20to=20me.=20=20If=20this=20were=20to=20happen,=20if=20it=20w= as=20possable,=20 you=20should=20alert=20the=20VI=20aids=20and=20helpers=20who=20work=20with= =20us=20high=20 school=20students,=20that=20way=20they=20are=20aware=20too. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Darian=20Smith=20=20wrote: =20I=20happen=20to=20be=20a=20science=20guy.=20=20I=20ended=20up=20doing=20= computer=20science=20 as=20a=20profession,=20but=20I=20enjoy=20physics=20and=20the=20other=20scie= nces=20too.=20=20 If=20there's=20anything=20I=20can=20do=20to=20assist=20anyone=20on=20this=20= list=20with=20 math/science=20sorts=20of=20things:=20provide=20pointers=20on=20a=20questio= n,=20 provide=20a=20nonvisual=20description,=20anything=20like=20that=20feel=20fr= ee=20to=20 contact=20me.=20=20I'm=20also=20willing=20to=20give=20pointers=20to=20paren= ts=20so=20they=20 can=20more=20easily=20explain=20things=20if=20that=20would=20be=20helpful=20= as=20well. =20Joe =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:55:10 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:55:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate = actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later. While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful = to those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which = blind high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you = should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, = that way they are aware too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith wrote: I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. =20 If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account=20 info for nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:57:09 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially for those who are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student's time. thoughts? Darian On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 04:58:09 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:58:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Chris, I think that a few TVI's should be there, encase they have questions = from the blind persons prospective, but I do agree, we should keep it more student oriented. Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary=20 Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the = Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem = is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind = person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical = nuisance. Confidentiality Notice:=20 This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of = the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended = recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris = Nusbaum Sent: 03 January 2014 21:55 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate = actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later. While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful = to those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which = blind high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you = should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, = that way they are aware too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith wrote: I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. =20 If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 05:00:58 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:00:58 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Message-ID: <52c795bf.41b3440a.599d.5b5f@mx.google.com> =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"ryan=20bishop"=20 O,=20if=20it's=20a=20call=20=20in,=20like=20a=20phone=20call,=20that=20may= =20work.=20=20I=20 thought=20you=20ment=20like=20a=20get=20together=20at=20a=20certaine=20spot= =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20"Chris=20Nusbaum"=20 It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ryan bishop" References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1DD8C6F3-2EFB-4B85-87C4-43CE033E75F0@gmail.com> Hopefully, students who attend this call will be able to more = effectively communicate with their teachers regarding their needs. what is most needed for such a call is interest and participation. In = other words we need high school students to come and to bring their = friends. flyer will be out shortly. =20 On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:58 PM, ryan bishop wrote: > Chris, > I think that a few TVI's should be there, encase they have questions = from > the blind persons prospective, but I do agree, we should keep it more > student oriented. > Ryan >=20 >=20 > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary=20 > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona > http://az.nfb.org > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a = tax > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the = Blind > today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 >=20 > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem = is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind = person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical = nuisance. >=20 > Confidentiality Notice:=20 > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of = the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended = recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of = the > original message. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris = Nusbaum > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:55 > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them = as > well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate = actively > in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or > notes available online for them to reference later. While there will > doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful = to > those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which = blind > high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being > involved. Thoughts? >=20 > Chris >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 >=20 > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you = should > alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, = that > way they are aware too. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list = Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my = life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for = myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >=20 > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school = students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school = students > in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students = would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound = advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS = there as > a support, but mainly =20 > this would be the high school student=92s time. > thoughts? > Darian >=20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger = > wrote: >=20 > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. =20 > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide = a > nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. = I'm > also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily = explain > things if that would be helpful as well. >=20 > Joe >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- > l: >=20 > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- > l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs-l: > = http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 05:08:37 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:08:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00a201cf090b$06e2c990$14a85cb0$@gmail.com> Ryan, That makes sense. I personally don't have a problem with TVI's being = there. I was only thinking that some participants may feel more comfortable = asking questions among fellow students than among both students and teachers, especially if their own TVI were to call in. Perhaps I am making much = ado about nothing, but just putting it out there. Chris Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Phone: (443) 547-2409 Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Twitter: @Chrisn98 -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ryan bishop Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:58 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Chris, I think that a few TVI's should be there, encase they have questions = from the blind persons prospective, but I do agree, we should keep it more student oriented. Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax = deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! = For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem = is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind = person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical = nuisance. Confidentiality Notice:=20 This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of = the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended = recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris = Nusbaum Sent: 03 January 2014 21:55 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate = actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later. While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful = to those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which = blind high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you = should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, = that way they are aware too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith wrote: I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. =20 If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs- l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 05:09:47 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:09:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <1DD8C6F3-2EFB-4B85-87C4-43CE033E75F0@gmail.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <1DD8C6F3-2EFB-4B85-87C4-43CE033E75F0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ae01cf090b$307fb600$917f2200$@gmail.com> Great! I will spread the word as best I can. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian = Smith Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Hopefully, students who attend this call will be able to more = effectively communicate with their teachers regarding their needs. what is most needed for such a call is interest and participation. In other words we need high school students to come and to bring their friends. flyer will be out shortly. =20 On Jan 3, 2014, at 8:58 PM, ryan bishop wrote: > Chris, > I think that a few TVI's should be there, encase they have questions=20 > from the blind persons prospective, but I do agree, we should keep it=20 > more student oriented. > Ryan >=20 >=20 > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle=20 > Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax=20 > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the=20 > Blind today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 >=20 > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem = > is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a=20 > blind person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. >=20 > Confidentiality Notice:=20 > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of = > the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged=20 > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to = > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended=20 > recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all=20 > copies of the original message. >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris=20 > Nusbaum > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:55 > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them=20 > as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate=20 > actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a=20 > recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later.=20 > While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call=20 > which would be useful to those professionals, I think it would be nice = > to have a call in which blind high school students could talk amongst=20 > ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? >=20 > Chris >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 >=20 > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you=20 > should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school=20 > students, that way they are aware too. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list=20 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my=20 > life in more than one sense learning that I was not alone in=20 > dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic=20 > expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >=20 > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school=20 > students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high=20 > school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students=20 > would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get=20 > sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced=20 > member of NABS there as a support, but mainly > this would be the high school student=92s time. > thoughts? > Darian >=20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger=20 > > wrote: >=20 > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a=20 > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with=20 > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide=20 > a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. =20 > I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily=20 > explain things if that would be helpful as well. >=20 > Joe >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for=20 > nabs- > l: >=20 > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for=20 > nabs- > l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Jan 4 05:11:33 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:11:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <771A44E6-C33C-4552-A0EA-86D77C04ED71@fuse.net> I would be interested. I have some perspective on the college front so I could possibly help there. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense > learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student’s time. > thoughts? > Darian > >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 05:13:06 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Message-ID: <00af01cf090b$a6f1d2f0$f4d578d0$@gmail.com> Marissa, Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to contact me off-list about this. HTH, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "ryan bishop" References: <52c795bd.41b3440a.599d.5b5c@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00b001cf090b$bc3a95c0$34afc140$@gmail.com> No, this would be a conference call. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:01 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) O, if it's a call in, like a phone call, that may work. I thought you ment like a get together at a certaine spot ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c795bd.41b3440a.599d.5b5c@mx.google.com> <00b001cf090b$bc3a95c0$34afc140$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <45CE3659-E736-459D-AA61-3876FF974E29@gmail.com> Depending upon the level of success of this call and demand for = something like it. it might be possible to have something like this at = national convention. depending upon where you live, you might have a student division in = place and they might be able to do something locally or at a state = convention for high school students if you want it and work with them = to do it as well. =20 On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Chris Nusbaum = wrote: > No, this would be a conference call. >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:01 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 >=20 > O, if it's a call in, like a phone call, that may work. I thought = you > ment like a get together at a certaine spot >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"=20 > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:55:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new=20 > year) >=20 > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for=20 > them as > well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate=20 > actively > in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording=20 > and/or > notes available online for them to reference later. While there=20 > will > doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be=20 > useful to > those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in=20 > which blind > high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's=20 > being > involved. Thoughts? >=20 > Chris >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of=20 > marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new=20 > year) >=20 >=20 > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable,=20 > you should > alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school=20 > students, that > way they are aware too. >=20 >=20 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list=20 > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >=20 > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of=20 > my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing=20 > with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations=20 > for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >=20 > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school=20 > students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school=20 > students > in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school=20 > students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get=20 > sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of=20 > NABS there as > a support, but mainly > this would be the high school student=92s time. > thoughts? > Darian >=20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger=20 > wrote: >=20 > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science=20 > as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question,=20 > provide a > nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact=20 > me. I'm > also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily=20 > explain > things if that would be helpful as well. >=20 > Joe >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: >=20 > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs-l: > = http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Jan 4 05:25:35 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:25:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <00a201cf090b$06e2c990$14a85cb0$@gmail.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <00a201cf090b$06e2c990$14a85cb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9A3981D6-D3F1-4398-83AB-D088462BC4DF@fuse.net> I have to agree here. I know especially a few years ago there were some school issues I discussed with friends that I did not want my tvi to know about. What about having another for students and tv is to talk and discuss the various aspects of high school? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:08 AM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > > Ryan, > > That makes sense. I personally don't have a problem with TVI's being there. > I was only thinking that some participants may feel more comfortable asking > questions among fellow students than among both students and teachers, > especially if their own TVI were to call in. Perhaps I am making much ado > about nothing, but just putting it out there. > > Chris > > Chris Nusbaum, Secretary > Maryland Association of Blind Students > Phone: (443) 547-2409 > Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com > Twitter: @Chrisn98 > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of ryan bishop > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:58 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > Chris, > I think that a few TVI's should be there, encase they have questions from > the blind persons prospective, but I do agree, we should keep it more > student oriented. > Ryan > > > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle > Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. > Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For > more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 > > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. > > Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the > original message. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:55 > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as > well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively > in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or > notes available online for them to reference later. While there will > doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to > those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind > high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being > involved. Thoughts? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should > alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that > way they are aware too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students > in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as > a support, but mainly > this would be the high school student뭩 time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a > nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm > also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain > things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs- > l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs- > l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 05:28:39 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:28:39 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c79c3c.43da440a.012c.ffff8947@mx.google.com> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c795bd.41b3440a.599d.5b5c@mx.google.com> <00b001cf090b$bc3a95c0$34afc140$@gmail.com> <45CE3659-E736-459D-AA61-3876FF974E29@gmail.com> Message-ID: <02CC0E01-08CC-44DD-A412-B3687CAFCB8C@gmail.com> Yes. In Maryland we did a roundtable discussion for high school students about our struggles, successes, questions, etc. This discussion was led by one of our college students, but he mostly let us discuss among ourselves. I would encourage anyone who is interested in something like this to contact the President of your state's student division and suggest it as an activity. Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:22 AM, Darian Smith wrote: > > Depending upon the level of success of this call and demand for something like it. it might be possible to have something like this at national convention. > depending upon where you live, you might have a student division in place and they might be able to do something locally or at a state convention for high school students if you want it and work with them to do it as well. >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> No, this would be a conference call. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> >> O, if it's a call in, like a phone call, that may work. I thought you >> ment like a get together at a certaine spot >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:55:10 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >> year) >> >> Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for >> them as >> well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate >> actively >> in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording >> and/or >> notes available online for them to reference later. While there >> will >> doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be >> useful to >> those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in >> which blind >> high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's >> being >> involved. Thoughts? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> marissa >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >> year) >> >> >> Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, >> you should >> alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school >> students, that >> way they are aware too. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Darian Smith > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of >> my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing >> with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations >> for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >> >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school >> students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school >> students >> in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school >> students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get >> sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of >> NABS there as >> a support, but mainly >> this would be the high school student뭩 time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >> > wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science >> as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. >> If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with >> math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, >> provide a >> nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact >> me. I'm >> also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily >> explain >> things if that would be helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber at hotmail.com Sat Jan 4 08:18:23 2014 From: helga.schreiber at hotmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 03:18:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Changing My Email Address Message-ID: Hi all, this is Helga. Happy New Year! to you and your family! God bless you and your family! on this brand New Year!And I also pray that this Brand New Year will be prosperous for all of us!, and full of blessings from the Lord. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that I change my email address. Just to let you know, my new email address is helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com I just wanted to ask you, if would it be possible for yu to send me the exact link, where I could change my email address in order for the list messages could go to my Gmail one, instead of my Hotmail one? I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Thanks so much and God bless!! From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 09:28:50 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 02:28:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Changing My Email Address In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Helga happy new year's!, There is a link at the bottom of each list email, for example this one, that will have list options, click that link and you should be able to log in and change list information. Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: 04 January 2014 01:18 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] Changing My Email Address Hi all, this is Helga. Happy New Year! to you and your family! God bless you and your family! on this brand New Year!And I also pray that this Brand New Year will be prosperous for all of us!, and full of blessings from the Lord. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that I change my email address. Just to let you know, my new email address is helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com I just wanted to ask you, if would it be possible for yu to send me the exact link, where I could change my email address in order for the list messages could go to my Gmail one, instead of my Hotmail one? I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Thanks so much and God bless!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Sat Jan 4 10:07:15 2014 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 05:07:15 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> References: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D0D74BE0104D7B-17A4-15F2B@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com> Chris, I agree with you about the TVI participation in the call. While it would be good for them to have access to notes or a recording after the call, I think some students might not feel comfortable having adults actively speak on the call. Merlyn Hileman -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Sent: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:56 pm Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later. While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that way they are aware too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith wrote: I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merlyn_hileman%40aol. com From i.c.bray at win.net Sat Jan 4 14:45:52 2014 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 09:45:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com><26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com><52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <8256734C1D59412AA26DB1C4A22022FD@JAWS> Darian As a huge proponent for math & science education in High School, I think that is a great idea!! Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Darian Smith" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:03 PM Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student’s time. thoughts? Darian On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's > anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of > things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, > anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give > pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would > be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 14:43:01 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:43:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <8D0D74BE0104D7B-17A4-15F2B@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com> References: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <8D0D74BE0104D7B-17A4-15F2B@webmail-d161.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: I agree. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:07 AM, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > Chris, > I agree with you about the TVI participation in the call. While it would be good for them to have access to notes or a recording after the call, I think some students might not feel comfortable having adults actively speak on the call. > > Merlyn Hileman > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Nusbaum > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Sent: Fri, Jan 3, 2014 10:56 pm > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as > well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively > in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or > notes available online for them to reference later. While there will > doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to > those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind > high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being > involved. Thoughts? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should > alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that > way they are aware too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students > in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as > a support, but mainly > this would be the high school student� time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a > nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm > also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain > things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merlyn_hileman%40aol.com > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 14:52:14 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:52:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <006801cf0900$f1f551b0$d5dff510$@gmail.com> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> <006801cf0900$f1f551b0$d5dff510$@gmail.com> Message-ID: If I go to the Tech School, students who are interested in careers from all over the county can apply. It is a public school, and I still have to choose classes at ghe regular high school just incase. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Sounds good. Are you considering applying for out-of-district placement? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > Thank you. Right now, we are still figuring out what high school I will go > to, although we are leaning towards the county Technical high school, since > they have an Early Childhood program. However, we are also having a meeting > with the local high school, but the Tech school has been very good. I am > sure that I will be talking to you before the end of this school year. > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >> >> In my school, it is A's and B's. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> >>> Mikayla, >>> >>> Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the >>> challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those >>> students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be >>> disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents >>> are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you >>> have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on >>> or >> off-list. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >>> Gephart >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >>> >>> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My >>> parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because >>> they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is >> good. >>> I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. >>> I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. >>> Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the >>> long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's >>> always >> next semester. >>> How close were you this time? >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>> u >>> d.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >>> g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>> u >>> d.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou >> d.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 14:54:31 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:54:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com> <26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <1861CAEB-7D26-4DA3-8980-33022B0B56A1@icloud.com> I would love that. That is why I joined NJABS and NABS. Do you have to be in high school the year of the call? Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 11:03 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in more than one sense > learning that I was not alone in dealing with accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as a support, but mainly this would be the high school student’s time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger wrote: > >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 15:40:28 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c79c3c.43da440a.012c.ffff8947@mx.google.com> References: <52c79c3c.43da440a.012c.ffff8947@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Do you know Braille Music? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. > Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director > could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to > contact me off-list about this. > > HTH, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no > clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ryan bishop" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new > year) > > I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially > for those who > are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. > Ryan > > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona > http://az.nfb.org > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for > a tax > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation > of the Blind > today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 > > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real > problem is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a > blind person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical > nuisance. > > Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only > be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended > recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the > original message. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Darian Smith > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of > my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing > with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations > for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school > students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school > students in > a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school > students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get > sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of > NABS there as a > support, but mainly this would be the high school student's > time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science > as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If > there's > anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science > sorts of > things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual > description, > anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to > give > pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if > that would be > helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 15:49:50 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:49:50 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: My aide doesn't know braille music, but she found this great chart from the American Foundation for The Blind. As for your aunt not calling NLS, you need to call yourself. You won't have her forever. I am ordering my own books from them! Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. > Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director > could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to > contact me off-list about this. > > HTH, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no > clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ryan bishop" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new > year) > > I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially > for those who > are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. > Ryan > > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona > http://az.nfb.org > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for > a tax > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation > of the Blind > today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 > > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real > problem is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a > blind person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical > nuisance. > > Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only > be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended > recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the > original message. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Darian Smith > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of > my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing > with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations > for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school > students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school > students in > a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school > students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get > sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of > NABS there as a > support, but mainly this would be the high school student's > time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science > as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If > there's > anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science > sorts of > things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual > description, > anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to > give > pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if > that would be > helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 15:57:16 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 07:57:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c82f92.06d8440a.4580.2344@mx.google.com> I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. How long is the chart? Where did you find it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c82f92.06d8440a.4580.2344@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Did you speek to some one in your state? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: > I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. > How long is the chart? Where did you find it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:54:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide doesn't know braille music, but she found this great chart from the American Foundation for The Blind. As for your aunt not calling NLS, you need to call yourself. You won't have her forever. I am ordering my own books from them! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. > Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director > could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to > contact me off-list about this. > > HTH, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no > clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ryan bishop" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new > year) > > I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially > for those who > are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. > Ryan > > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona > http://az.nfb.org > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for > a tax > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation > of the Blind > today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 > > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real > problem is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a > blind person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical > nuisance. > > Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only > be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended > recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the > original message. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Darian Smith > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of > my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing > with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations > for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school > students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school > students in > a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school > students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get > sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of > NABS there as a > support, but mainly this would be the high school student's > time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science > as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If > there's > anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science > sorts of > things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual > description, > anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to > give > pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if > that would be > helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 16:12:38 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:12:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c82f92.06d8440a.4580.2344@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <390AB17E-4D5B-4FBD-90A4-788CC40E8B3E@icloud.com> It is on the American Foundation for The Blind website, and my aide brailled it for me. It is 6 braille pages. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Did you speek to some one in your state? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: > >> I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. >> How long is the chart? Where did you find it? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:54:48 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> My aide doesn't know braille music, but she found this great chart from the American Foundation for The Blind. As for your aunt not calling NLS, you need to call yourself. You won't have her forever. I am ordering my own books from them! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) >> >> Do you know Braille Music? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) >> >> Marissa, >> >> Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. >> Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director >> could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to >> contact me off-list about this. >> >> HTH, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> >> It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no >> clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ryan bishop" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >> year) >> >> I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially >> for those who >> are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. >> Ryan >> >> Ryan Bishop >> Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com >> 480-221-5195 >> Secretary >> Arizona Association of blind students >> http://az.nfb.org/aabs >> Webmaster >> National Federation of the Blind of Arizona >> http://az.nfb.org >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for >> a tax >> deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation >> of the Blind >> today! For more information, please visit: >> http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org >> or call >> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real >> problem is >> the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a >> blind person >> has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical >> nuisance. >> >> Confidentiality Notice: >> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole >> use of the >> intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >> information. As such, dispensing of this information should only >> be to >> individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended >> recipient, >> please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies >> of the >> original message. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Darian Smith >> Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of >> my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing >> with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations >> for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >> >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school >> students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school >> students in >> a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school >> students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get >> sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of >> NABS there as a >> support, but mainly this would be the high school student's >> time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >> > wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science >> as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If >> there's >> anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science >> sorts of >> things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual >> description, >> anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to >> give >> pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if >> that would be >> helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 16:18:51 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:18:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c82f92.06d8440a.4580.2344@mx.google.com> Message-ID: In New Jersey, we have the Talking Book and Braille Center, a department of the New Jersey State Library and is affiliated with NLS. Pennsylvania also has a library for the blind. If you don't know about yours, ask your NABS president. Also, could you please let us know how it goes. The Talking Book and Braille center lets me order my own books. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Did you speek to some one in your state? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: > >> I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. >> How long is the chart? Where did you find it? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:54:48 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> My aide doesn't know braille music, but she found this great chart from the American Foundation for The Blind. As for your aunt not calling NLS, you need to call yourself. You won't have her forever. I am ordering my own books from them! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) >> >> Do you know Braille Music? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) >> >> Marissa, >> >> Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. >> Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director >> could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to >> contact me off-list about this. >> >> HTH, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> >> It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no >> clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ryan bishop" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >> year) >> >> I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially >> for those who >> are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. >> Ryan >> >> Ryan Bishop >> Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com >> 480-221-5195 >> Secretary >> Arizona Association of blind students >> http://az.nfb.org/aabs >> Webmaster >> National Federation of the Blind of Arizona >> http://az.nfb.org >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for >> a tax >> deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation >> of the Blind >> today! For more information, please visit: >> http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org >> or call >> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real >> problem is >> the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a >> blind person >> has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical >> nuisance. >> >> Confidentiality Notice: >> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole >> use of the >> intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >> information. As such, dispensing of this information should only >> be to >> individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended >> recipient, >> please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies >> of the >> original message. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Darian Smith >> Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of >> my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing >> with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations >> for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >> >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school >> students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school >> students in >> a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school >> students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get >> sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of >> NABS there as a >> support, but mainly this would be the high school student's >> time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >> > wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science >> as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If >> there's >> anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science >> sorts of >> things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual >> description, >> anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to >> give >> pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if >> that would be >> helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 17:02:10 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 09:02:10 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting tohigh school(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c83ec8.638f440a.22a2.fffffbfa@mx.google.com> I talked to people on the musictalk list. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. How long is the chart? Where did you find it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Do you have the link? I can send it to my transcriber and she'll do it for me. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Did you speek to some one in your state? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. How long is the chart? Where did you find it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I live in the UddS in California, So I'm not sure. I don't have the number also ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Did you speek to some one in your state? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. How long is the chart? Where did you find it? ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c83ecf.638f440a.22a2.fffffc04@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ok, I did a little research. The California Library- Braille and Talking Book Library. It is like the library in New Jersey, and there is a possibility that they are affiliated with NLS. There website is http://www.library.ca.gov/services/btbl.html Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:02 PM, marissa wrote: > I live in the UddS in California, So I'm not sure. > I don't have the number also > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 11:18:51 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting tohigh > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > In New Jersey, we have the Talking Book and Braille Center, a department of the New Jersey State Library and is affiliated with NLS. Pennsylvania also has a library for the blind. If you don't know about yours, ask your NABS president. Also, could you please let us know how it goes. The Talking Book and Braille center lets me order my own books. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 11:04 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Did you speek to some one in your state? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:57 AM, marissa wrote: > > I spoke to someone and they said an adult over 18 has to call. I'd do it myself, gladly. > How long is the chart? Where did you find it? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:54:48 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide doesn't know braille music, but she found this great chart from the American Foundation for The Blind. As for your aunt not calling NLS, you need to call yourself. You won't have her forever. I am ordering my own books from them! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. > Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director > could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to > contact me off-list about this. > > HTH, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no > clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "ryan bishop" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new > year) > > I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially > for those who > are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. > Ryan > > Ryan Bishop > Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com > 480-221-5195 > Secretary > Arizona Association of blind students > http://az.nfb.org/aabs > Webmaster > National Federation of the Blind of Arizona > http://az.nfb.org > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for > a tax > deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation > of the Blind > today! For more information, please visit: > http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org > or call > 1-855-659-9314 > > The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real > problem is > the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a > blind person > has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical > nuisance. > > Confidentiality Notice: > This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole > use of the > intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged > information. As such, dispensing of this information should only > be to > individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended > recipient, > please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies > of the > original message. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Darian Smith > Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of > my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing > with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations > for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school > students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school > students in > a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school > students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get > sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of > NABS there as a > support, but mainly this would be the high school student's > time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science > as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If > there's > anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science > sorts of > things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual > description, > anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to > give > pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if > that would be > helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail. > com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 > %40gmail.co > m > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau > m%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. From lilliepennington at fuse.net Sat Jan 4 17:26:07 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> References: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it online. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 17:29:25 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 12:29:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: That is where I was going. That is also why I gave Marissa the website for the California Library- Braille and Talking Book Center. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:26 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it online. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) >> >> Do you know Braille Music? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) >> >> Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 18:17:11 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:17:11 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c8505c.8aa3420a.771c.59b1@mx.google.com> You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c65424.01f6420a.7e1f.22fd@mx.google.com><26124C64-AD2A-4B68-A1EF-323378DA05D1@icloud.com> <52C78185.2020703@pcdesk.net> Message-ID: <80B3596F7ED44672A4E0FE37A3992D7B@OwnerPC> Joesephh, are you still working in the computer science field? That is a good area to go into. I'm the opposite; more an english history person. I'll keep you in mind if I have questions or my friends have them. -----Original Message----- From: Joseph C. Lininger Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 10:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 4 21:18:16 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 16:18:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> Well chris, the TVIs shouldn't participate but I think they should be aware to tell their students. It’s a way to get the word out. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:55 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or notes available online for them to reference later. While there will doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being involved. Thoughts? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that way they are aware too. ----- Original Message ----- From: Darian Smith wrote: I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if that would be helpful as well. Joe _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 4 22:25:25 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:25:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com><52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net><41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com><003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com><840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com><004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com><006801cf0900$f1f551b0$d5dff510$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <46F814D419004A138F110DE2CBD962D3@OwnerPC> Hi Mikaya, We have a technical school here in my county but I did not go to it. I hope you get in; its pretty competetive hhere. I assume you want to teach; go for it, a good profession. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:52 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year If I go to the Tech School, students who are interested in careers from all over the county can apply. It is a public school, and I still have to choose classes at ghe regular high school just incase. Sent from my iPad On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Sounds good. Are you considering applying for out-of-district placement? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:50 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > Thank you. Right now, we are still figuring out what high school I will go > to, although we are leaning towards the county Technical high school, > since > they have an Early Childhood program. However, we are also having a > meeting > with the local high school, but the Tech school has been very good. I am > sure that I will be talking to you before the end of this school year. > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: > >> That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >> >> In my school, it is A's and B's. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum > wrote: >> >>> Mikayla, >>> >>> Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the >>> challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those >>> students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be >>> disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents >>> are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you >>> have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on >>> or >> off-list. >>> >>> Good luck, >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >>> Gephart >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >>> >>> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My >>> parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because >>> they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" >>> wrote: >>> >>>> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is >> good. >>> I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. >>> I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. >>> Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the >>> long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's >>> always >> next semester. >>> How close were you this time? >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>> u >>> d.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >>> g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>> u >>> d.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >> mail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou >> d.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 4 22:39:32 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:39:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c8505c.8aa3420a.771c.59b1@mx.google.com> References: <52c8505c.8aa3420a.771c.59b1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <111C764543B649A5B33D7EA824054247@OwnerPC> Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Braille music is very different from litarry braille. Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c892ae.0382440a.587a.515d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <772605B9-96AB-4FD1-B478-0C41C6536E56@fuse.net> You should be able to do that. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Braille music is very different from litarry braille. > Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:39:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting tohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do > it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that > question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library > branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your > area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school > for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never > learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 23:14:48 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:14:48 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c8961f.2597420a.4a77.28f3@mx.google.com> Is the site nfb.org? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: Braille music is very different from litarry braille. Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <52c8505c.8aa3420a.771c.59b1@mx.google.com> <111C764543B649A5B33D7EA824054247@OwnerPC> Message-ID: My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 22:52:50 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:52:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] new year In-Reply-To: <46F814D419004A138F110DE2CBD962D3@OwnerPC> References: <52c6412c.6cf5420a.55f9.23c7@mx.google.com> <52C648F1.9070209@pcdesk.net> <41A15BB2-FFA9-4F99-B13A-B24BF9CF1B02@icloud.com> <003401cf08af$ed177430$c7465c90$@gmail.com> <840EF865-4AB2-46BB-9AB0-42B2193EE63B@icloud.com> <004101cf08b2$8a9a90a0$9fcfb1e0$@gmail.com> <006801cf0900$f1f551b0$d5dff510$@gmail.com> <46F814D419004A138F110DE2CBD962D3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4D9A2F6A-AFE1-4FCF-B4D0-20249A1FE6FC@icloud.com> Yes, I want to be a TVI. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:25 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Mikaya, > > We have a technical school here in my county but I did not go to it. > I hope you get in; its pretty competetive hhere. > I assume you want to teach; go for it, a good profession. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:52 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year > > If I go to the Tech School, students who are interested in careers from all over the county can apply. It is a public school, and I still have to choose classes at ghe regular high school just incase. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > >> Sounds good. Are you considering applying for out-of-district placement? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:50 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >> >> Thank you. Right now, we are still figuring out what high school I will go >> to, although we are leaning towards the county Technical high school, since >> they have an Early Childhood program. However, we are also having a meeting >> with the local high school, but the Tech school has been very good. I am >> sure that I will be talking to you before the end of this school year. >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >>> That's the way it was in my middle school. Not sure why they changed it. >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >>> Gephart >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 1:26 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >>> >>> In my school, it is A's and B's. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 1:16 PM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >>> >>>> Mikayla, >>>> >>>> Good for you. As a sophomore in high school, I can attest to the >>>> challenge of getting on the honor roll. In my school, only those >>>> students who achieve Straight A's get on the honor roll. This can be >>>> disappointing for me, as I often miss it by just one B. Your parents >>>> are right--just do the best you can and the rest will follow. If you >>>> have any questions about high school, I am happy to talk with you on >>>> or >>> off-list. >>>> >>>> Good luck, >>>> >>>> Chris >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >>>> Gephart >>>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 9:33 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] new year >>>> >>>> My parents say "do the best you can" and that is what I do. My >>>> parents even reward me when I do not make the Honor role, because >>>> they know how hard I work. That is what gets me going! >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 12:21 AM, "Joseph C. Lininger" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> LOL Man, straight A's in high school eh? Even mostly straight A's is >>> good. >>>> I was such a screw up in high school that I'm probably lucky I passed. >>>> I didn't get serious about grades until college. Your way is easier. >>>> Everyone told me what I was doing was going to end up harder in the >>>> long run, and they were right. Keep trying for those A's, there's >>>> always >>> next semester. >>>> How close were you this time? >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>>> u >>>> d.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40 >>>> g >>>> mail.c >>>> om >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclo >>>> u >>>> d.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40g >>> mail.c >>> om >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40iclou >>> d.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 23:29:24 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:29:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c8961f.2597420a.4a77.28f3@mx.google.com> References: <52c8961f.2597420a.4a77.28f3@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6C4C7E2C-C58A-4CDD-997F-6B7E8EBD4B2F@icloud.com> It is http://www.afb.org/default.aspx. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:14 PM, marissa wrote: > > Is the site nfb.org? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:07:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to do that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Braille music is very different from litarry braille. > Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:39:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting tohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do > it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that > question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library > branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your > area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school > for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never > learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 23:28:51 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:28:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> Does she know braille music? If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 23:36:56 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:36:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band wasRE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c89b4e.e891420a.340b.ffff86c1@mx.google.com> Wow that is very impresive. My two aids only have an hour and a half each day, (every day except for Monday, switching off), and they have to help me in math. So we never have time to do much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Does she know braille music? If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Ok thanks so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Is the site nfb.org? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: Braille music is very different from litarry braille. Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <52c89b4f.e891420a.340b.ffff86c4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <1710E0D2-42EB-4B3D-9753-6E8724BC15D7@icloud.com> You're welcome! Let me know how it goes! Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:36 PM, marissa wrote: > > Ok thanks so much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:29:24 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > It is http://www.afb.org/default.aspx. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:14 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Is the site nfb.org? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:07:06 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to do that. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Braille music is very different from litarry braille. > Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 17:39:32 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting tohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do > it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that > question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library > branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your > area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school > for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never > learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 4 23:40:45 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:40:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band wasRE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c89b4e.e891420a.340b.ffff86c1@mx.google.com> References: <52c89b4e.e891420a.340b.ffff86c1@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <03DD0266-758B-496B-8A7E-D15D2E63B87E@icloud.com> Wow! Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:36 PM, marissa wrote: > > Wow that is very impresive. > My two aids only have an hour and a half each day, (every day except for Monday, switching off), and they have to help me in math. So we never have time to do much. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:32:01 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band wasRE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 4 23:43:23 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 15:43:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band wasRE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) Message-ID: <52c89cd1.e2a1440a.2ee8.ffff8775@mx.google.com> Will do. I'll check it out right now. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Ok thanks so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Is the site nfb.org? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: Braille music is very different from litarry braille. Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" Exactly what I said. I spoke to my band director through email, (band of ninty kids' doesn't have much time during class), still hasn't replied ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Wow that is very impresive. My two aids only have an hour and a half each day, (every day except for Monday, switching off), and they have to help me in math. So we never have time to do much. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Does she know braille music? If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" It said the resource cannot be found ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Is the site nfb.org? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: Braille music is very different from litarry braille. Does anyone know if I would be able to request the book by email and have it sent to me? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" References: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> Does she know braille music? >> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >> Hi Marissa, >> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >> >> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >> >> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >> >> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> >> You can request it online? >> How? >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Lillie Pennington > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >> school(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >> online. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >> call, so that one's out. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >> school (was:Re:[] new year) >> >> Do you know Braille Music? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >> wrote: >> >> >> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >> Hasn't replied. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >> school (was: Re:[] new year) >> >> Marissa, >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 00:00:21 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:00:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <866FAEC9-FF3C-4FD5-A948-1431EE1F1B99@icloud.com> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a little to fast. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >>> >>> >>> Does she know braille music? >>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mikayla Gephart >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>> >>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>> Hi Marissa, >>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >>> >>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>> >>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >>> >>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>> >>> >>> You can request it online? >>> How? >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Lillie Pennington >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>> >>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>> online. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>> call, so that one's out. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Mikayla Gephart >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>> >>> Do you know Braille Music? >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>> wrote: >>> >>> >>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>> Hasn't replied. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>> >> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>> >>> Marissa, >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>> ife7%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>> 0earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>> icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>> ife7%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 00:09:06 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:09:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <866FAEC9-FF3C-4FD5-A948-1431EE1F1B99@icloud.com> References: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> <866FAEC9-FF3C-4FD5-A948-1431EE1F1B99@icloud.com> Message-ID: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >> >> How old are you? >> Right back soon, >> Koby >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Does she know braille music? >>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>> >>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Marissa, >>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >>>> >>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>> >>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >>>> >>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >>>> >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>> >>>> >>>> You can request it online? >>>> How? >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>> >>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>> online. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>> call, so that one's out. >>>> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>> >>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>> Hasn't replied. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>> >>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>> >>>> Marissa, >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>> 0earthlink.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>> icloud.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 00:11:04 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:11:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c8996a.c3b2440a.3ad3.ffffdc54@mx.google.com> <866FAEC9-FF3C-4FD5-A948-1431EE1F1B99@icloud.com> Message-ID: <63748289-08C8-4CA2-B4BC-1B1581C66E63@icloud.com> No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a little to fast. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>> >>> How old are you? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>> >>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >>>>> >>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >>>>> >>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can request it online? >>>>> How? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>> online. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Marissa, >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>> 0earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>> icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 00:50:15 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:50:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <63748289-08C8-4CA2-B4BC-1B1581C66E63@icloud.com> Message-ID: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a little to fast. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>> >>> How old are you? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>> >>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >>>>> >>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >>>>> >>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can request it online? >>>>> How? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>> online. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Marissa, >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>> 0earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>> icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 00:52:01 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:52:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <45F4510E-3DE2-4C2B-BB3D-D4A0613F71E5@icloud.com> some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >> Right back soon, >> Koby >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: >>> >>> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a > little to fast. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> How old are you? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me > to learn it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever > needs to call. >>>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating > library. >>>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. >>>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics > for me though. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet > other blind musicians. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can request it online? >>>>>> How? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>> online. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> Marissa, >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>>> 0earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>>> icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 00:56:51 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 18:56:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <45F4510E-3DE2-4C2B-BB3D-D4A0613F71E5@icloud.com> Message-ID: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >> Right back soon, >> Koby >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: >>> >>> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a > little to fast. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> >>>> How old are you? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me > to learn it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever > needs to call. >>>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating > library. >>>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. >>>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>> >>>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics > for me though. >>>>>> >>>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet > other blind musicians. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ashley >>>>>> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> You can request it online? >>>>>> How? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>> online. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>> >>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> Marissa, >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>>> 0earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>>> icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: >>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 00:58:48 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 19:58:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5B862A50-B61E-4197-B5A6-0BEBE8356215@icloud.com> Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >> Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >> >>> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a >> little to fast. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How old are you? >>>>> Right back soon, >>>>> Koby >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and >> figured it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, >> which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but >> listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me >> to learn it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your >> state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever >> needs to call. >>>>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I >> think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating >> library. >>>>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the >> library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind >> people. >>>>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But >> perhaps your area is different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, >> hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; >> I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. >> but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in >> fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to >> class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics >> for me though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you >> braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind >> musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and > meet >> other blind musicians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can request it online? >>>>>>> How? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>>> online. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marissa, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 01:01:16 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 19:01:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <5B862A50-B61E-4197-B5A6-0BEBE8356215@icloud.com> Message-ID: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >> Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >> >>> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart >> wrote: >>>> >>>> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a >> little to fast. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>> >>>>> How old are you? >>>>> Right back soon, >>>>> Koby >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > >> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and >> figured it out. >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, >> which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but >> listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me >> to learn it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your >> state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever >> needs to call. >>>>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I >> think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating >> library. >>>>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the >> library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind >> people. >>>>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But >> perhaps your area is different. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, >> hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; >> I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. >> but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in >> fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to >> class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics >> for me though. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you >> braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind >> musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and > meet >> other blind musicians. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You can request it online? >>>>>>> How? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>>> online. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>> >>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Marissa, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 01:24:31 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <5B862A50-B61E-4197-B5A6-0BEBE8356215@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa, Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on this topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really large like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This is exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in the IEP meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the braille music situation as possible. This means that you will simply ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in advance as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS yourself. Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to edit things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open line of communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band will be playing for their next concert. It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and what your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we can't get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters into our own hands. The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified braille music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. You can email one in your state about getting your band music brailled. I would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high school had I waited for my band director to tow the line. I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to this thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to other student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if you would like someone who has gone through high school music classes and is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would be glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I don't have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but they're scared of the commitment that they think will be required of them to produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a commitment at all, especially if you out source the transcription. On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >> That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? >> Right back soon, >> Koby. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >> Gephart >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >> >> some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >> >>> Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >>> Gephart >>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>> >>> No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>> >>>> Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >>>> Right back soon, >>>> Koby >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart >>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing > a >>> little to fast. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> How old are you? >>>>>> Right back soon, >>>>>> Koby >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart >> >>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and >>> figured it out. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, >>> which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but >>> listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted >> me >>> to learn it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your >>> state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or >> whomever >>> needs to call. >>>>>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I >>> think that question is best answered by a librarian in your >> cooperating >>> library. >>>>>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of >> the >>> library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind >>> people. >>>>>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But >>> perhaps your area is different. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, >>> hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; >>> I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. >>> but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in >>> fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to >>> class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics >>> for me though. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you >>> braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind >>> musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and >> meet >>> other blind musicians. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ashley >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to >>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You can request it online? >>>>>>>> How? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>>>> online. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm >>>>>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told >>>>>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Marissa, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info >>>>>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. > com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 01:59:47 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:59:47 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52c8bcca.0690420a.61ee.ffffd689@mx.google.com> I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c8bcca.0690420a.61ee.ffffd689@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9E45DB4D-313F-44C2-B740-D5D4311960A8@icloud.com> Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. You > can email one in your state about getting your band music brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if you > would like someone who has gone through high school music classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 5 02:18:33 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:18:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4F97986F9A3843F78D97872545CC3B14@OwnerPC> koby, as the subject indicates, this thread is about accomodations for music and / or band classes. Please do not carry on one line conversation messages. Get skype to do this or write off list. I have no idea why you single out one girl member to ask such questions, but IMO its inappropriate for list; when I open these messages, I want school topics. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 7:50 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a little to fast. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>> >>> How old are you? >>> Right back soon, >>> Koby >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>> >>>> Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and figured it out. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Does she know braille music? >>>>> If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>> highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me to learn it. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Marissa, >>>>> All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. >>>>> Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. >>>>> We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>> They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. >>>>> I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. >>>>> >>>>> I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>> >>>>> I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. >>>>> >>>>> That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. >>>>> >>>>> Ashley >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You can request it online? >>>>> How? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Lillie Pennington >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>> online. >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>> would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>> trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>> call, so that one's out. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Do you know Braille Music? >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>> brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>> my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>> Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>> time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>> Hasn't replied. >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>> >>>> Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>> school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>> >>>>> Marissa, >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>> 0earthlink.net >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>> icloud.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>> ife7%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 02:34:02 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 18:34:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) Message-ID: <52c8c4d1.6c1c450a.19be.ffffad44@mx.google.com> No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c8c4d1.6c1c450a.19be.ffffad44@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6FE9ECEE-3D68-4110-8F5C-310B6CAB9166@icloud.com> The Ipad with a braille display would be good. Why do you not like the apex? Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 9:34 PM, marissa wrote: > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. You > can email one in your state about getting your band music brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if you > would like someone who has gone through high school music classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 5 02:44:37 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) In-Reply-To: <52c8c4d1.6c1c450a.19be.ffffad44@mx.google.com> References: <52c8c4d1.6c1c450a.19be.ffffad44@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Marisa, have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that must suck to have trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the apex. If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display isn't an option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should be able to emboss it for you. -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" This Apex is not mine, it belonged to someone before me. This Apex also just happens to freeze whenever I try to chat with people, sometimes. When that happens, I need to have to do a five second reset, (hard reset). I won't be able to get an i-pad with a braille display. If it is approved, the district will get the blind students one, but that could take a long long time. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve anyway. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him sometimes, because he is so new to this. The really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem very effective. I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c8ca49.a7d4440a.4720.ffffba0e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Marissa, I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even band directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. I know that blind students are not common in most band programs, and most of us who do join band are the first blind students our directors have met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of my teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. The problem is that school districts and band directors do not think these standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that students with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will still need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into a brf or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a display but have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you the completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a similar software. I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier, but I'll keep looking for it. :) On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 11:20:28 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 03:20:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) Message-ID: <52c94033.25c5440a.5956.ffffa75b@mx.google.com> If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c94033.25c5440a.5956.ffffa75b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <55285945-4AE3-44E6-A0AA-C7879B4892A7@icloud.com> In New Jersey, we have the Comission for the Blind, and they get me all of my equiptment. Plus, my TVI works for them. Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:20 AM, marissa wrote: > > If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marissa, > > I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even band > directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. I know > that blind students are not common in most band programs, and most of > us who do join band are the first blind students our directors have > met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of my > teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. The > problem is that school districts and band directors do not think these > standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that students > with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. > > If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will still > need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into a brf > or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a display but > have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you the > completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a similar > software. > > I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier, but > I'll keep looking for it. :) > > On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 15:47:12 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:47:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> Message-ID: My TVI is really interested in learning, and she would love it. It might be useful for them to participate. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Well chris, the TVIs shouldn't participate but I think they should be aware to tell their students. > It’s a way to get the word out. > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:55 PM > To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as > well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively > in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or > notes available online for them to reference later. While there will > doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to > those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind > high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being > involved. Thoughts? > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa > Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > > Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should > alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that > way they are aware too. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 > Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in > more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with > accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself > was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > > I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students > could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students > in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? > we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would > feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice > from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as > a support, but mainly > this would be the high school student뭩 time. > thoughts? > Darian > > On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger > wrote: > > I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a > profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. > If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with > math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a > nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm > also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain > things if that would be helpful as well. > > Joe > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 16:10:14 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 11:10:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <18C1B368-A823-4D5B-ADED-E0477291CB5A@gmail.com> Perhaps you could suggest that your TVI join this list or another list on the NFB server. This is what I suggested to my TVI when she expressed interest in more information straight from blind people, especially regarding technology. Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > My TVI is really interested in learning, and she would love it. It might be useful for them to participate. > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> >> Well chris, the TVIs shouldn't participate but I think they should be aware to tell their students. >> It’s a way to get the word out. >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:55 PM >> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as >> well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively >> in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or >> notes available online for them to reference later. While there will >> doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to >> those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind >> high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being >> involved. Thoughts? >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> >> Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should >> alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that >> way they are aware too. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Darian Smith > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >> >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students >> in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as >> a support, but mainly >> this would be the high school student뭩 time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >> wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. >> If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with >> math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a >> nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm >> also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain >> things if that would be helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 5 16:13:45 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 11:13:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <18C1B368-A823-4D5B-ADED-E0477291CB5A@gmail.com> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> <18C1B368-A823-4D5B-ADED-E0477291CB5A@gmail.com> Message-ID: <07B031D5-6331-433F-AB09-8259A21AD2CD@icloud.com> Thank you! Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:10 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Perhaps you could suggest that your TVI join this list or another list on the NFB server. This is what I suggested to my TVI when she expressed interest in more information straight from blind people, especially regarding technology. > > Chris Nusbaum, Secretary > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 5, 2014, at 10:47 AM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> My TVI is really interested in learning, and she would love it. It might be useful for them to participate. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 4, 2014, at 4:18 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> >>> Well chris, the TVIs shouldn't participate but I think they should be aware to tell their students. >>> It’s a way to get the word out. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:55 PM >>> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >>> >>> Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as >>> well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively >>> in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or >>> notes available online for them to reference later. While there will >>> doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to >>> those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind >>> high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being >>> involved. Thoughts? >>> >>> Chris >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >>> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >>> >>> >>> Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should >>> alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that >>> way they are aware too. >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Darian Smith >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 >>> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >>> >>> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in >>> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with >>> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself >>> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >>> >>> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students >>> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students >>> in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >>> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would >>> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice >>> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as >>> a support, but mainly >>> this would be the high school student뭩 time. >>> thoughts? >>> Darian >>> >>> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >>> wrote: >>> >>> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a >>> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. >>> If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with >>> math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a >>> nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm >>> also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain >>> things if that would be helpful as well. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >>> mail.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>> ife7%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 16:42:43 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 08:42:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) Message-ID: <52c98bba.a941420a.2f5d.2745@mx.google.com> Lucky you. I only have the Apex. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Kaiti, How long does it usually take to have music transcribed through NLS? Does it cost you (personally) anything and if so, about how much does it cost per song? Finally, do you receive the songs electronically or are hard copies sent in the mail? I may need to use this method in college next year. Thanks for any info you can give me, Lizzy From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 19:28:16 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band In-Reply-To: <52c98d76.0183e00a.5b59.1d0f@mx.google.com> References: <52c98d76.0183e00a.5b59.1d0f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Lizzy, I personally have not paid to have music transcribed through NLS; I know other transcribers charge, but I have never been asked to pay anything from the NLS transcriber. Typically she gets the files to me in a week or so. If she's really busy then it can take a week and a half or so. I just try to get the music to her as quickly as possible, and when I was in high school the rule with my directors was that I had to have the print coppies of the music 3 weeks ahead of when they would be passed out in class so the transcriber could have 2 weeks to get them done and I could have at least a week to practice ahead of time. Hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions. :) On 1/5/14, lizzy wrote: > Kaiti, > How long does it usually take to have music transcribed through > NLS? Does it cost you (personally) anything and if so, about how > much does it cost per song? Finally, do you receive the songs > electronically or are hard copies sent in the mail? I may need to > use this method in college next year. > Thanks for any info you can give me, > Lizzy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 23:35:43 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:35:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band In-Reply-To: References: <52c98d76.0183e00a.5b59.1d0f@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I will add a disclaimer though; it has been a long time since I even sent anything to my NLS transcriber. The music department at my school hired two older composition students to use Finale in conjunction with the Goodfeel package to act as transcribers, and they do a fantastic job. It works great because there is no out-of-pocket cost to me, the student transcribers are hired by the department so they are paid for their time and treat it like a job, and the school picked up the costs of purchasing Goodfeel and an embosser for them to use. The guys do all my music textbooks too, and are able to give me Lime files for me to read on my computer as well which is really a nice benefit. This might be something you discuss with your music department when you look at schools too. It's a pretty good system. On 1/5/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Lizzy, > > I personally have not paid to have music transcribed through NLS; I > know other transcribers charge, but I have never been asked to pay > anything from the NLS transcriber. > > Typically she gets the files to me in a week or so. If she's really > busy then it can take a week and a half or so. I just try to get the > music to her as quickly as possible, and when I was in high school the > rule with my directors was that I had to have the print coppies of the > music 3 weeks ahead of when they would be passed out in class so the > transcriber could have 2 weeks to get them done and I could have at > least a week to practice ahead of time. > > Hope this helps, let me know if you have any other questions. :) > > On 1/5/14, lizzy wrote: >> Kaiti, >> How long does it usually take to have music transcribed through >> NLS? Does it cost you (personally) anything and if so, about how >> much does it cost per song? Finally, do you receive the songs >> electronically or are hard copies sent in the mail? I may need to >> use this method in college next year. >> Thanks for any info you can give me, >> Lizzy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jan 5 23:38:49 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:38:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) In-Reply-To: <52c98bba.a941420a.2f5d.2745@mx.google.com> References: <52c98bba.a941420a.2f5d.2745@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa, Which files are you trying to convert to brf? Music is not like other print stuff that can just be scanned and converted to a different format. Music in print, as well as music in braille, are different codes and follow different rules, and you need different software than Duxberry or Openbook to edit and make the conversions. If you need a brf file you will have to get a transcriber to edit the music and email it to you. On 1/5/14, marissa wrote: > > Lucky you. > I only have the Apex. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > In New Jersey, we have the Comission for the Blind, and they get > me all of my equiptment. Plus, my TVI works for them. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:20 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to > brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying > to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marissa, > > I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even > band > directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. > I know > that blind students are not common in most band programs, and > most of > us who do join band are the first blind students our directors > have > met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of > my > teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. > The > problem is that school districts and band directors do not think > these > standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that > students > with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. > > If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will > still > need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into > a brf > or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a > display but > have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email > you the > completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a > similar > software. > > I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier, > but > I'll keep looking for it. :) > > On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should > be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off > of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Jan 5 23:48:43 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:48:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> References: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140105154532.01e7b398@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Mikayla, I've never heard of a library saying you need be an adult to place requests but, should this indeed be a case, can't you just play the part of your aunt or else actually get her to make the call? Will this work? for today, Car 408-209-3239 basics with a chart that someone gave me. >No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would >teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying >to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so >that one's out. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >school (was:Re:[] new year) > >Do you know Braille Music? > >Sent from my iPad > >On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > >They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought >it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my >casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, >my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during >class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >Hasn't replied. > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school >(was: Re:[] new year) > >Marissa, > >Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. >Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director >could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to >contact me off-list about this. > >HTH, > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > >It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no >clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "ryan bishop" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >year) > >I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially >for those who >are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. >Ryan > >Ryan Bishop >Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com >480-221-5195 >Secretary >Arizona Association of blind students >http://az.nfb.org/aabs >Webmaster >National Federation of the Blind of Arizona >http://az.nfb.org >Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for >a tax >deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation >of the Blind >today! For more information, please visit: >http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org >or call >1-855-659-9314 > >The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real >problem is >the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a >blind person >has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical >nuisance. > >Confidentiality Notice: >This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole >use of the >intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >information. As such, dispensing of this information should only >be to >individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended >recipient, >please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies >of the >original message. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >Darian Smith >Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > >High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of >my life in >more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing >with >accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations >for myself >was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > >I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school >students >could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school >students in >a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >we would want to maintain this as a place where high school >students would >feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get >sound advice >from each other. we would have a more experienced member of >NABS there as a >support, but mainly this would be the high school student's >time. >thoughts? >Darian > >On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >wrote: > >I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science >as a >profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If >there's >anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science >sorts of >things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual >description, >anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to >give >pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if >that would be >helpful as well. > >Joe > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >mail. >com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 >%40gmail.co >m > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >m%40gmail.c >om > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >icloud.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Jan 6 01:10:40 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:10:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140105154532.01e7b398@comcast.net> References: <52c82dd4.4abd440a.3a22.579a@mx.google.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140105154532.01e7b398@comcast.net> Message-ID: <3DCE17B2-73D6-4FE0-97E7-C3F58736B4AF@icloud.com> Marissa is the one trying to get the book. Sent from my iPad On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:48 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Good afternoon, Mikayla, > > I've never heard of a library saying you need be an adult to place requests but, should this indeed be a case, can't you just play the part of your aunt or else actually get her to make the call? Will this work? > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > basics with a chart that someone gave me. >> No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mikayla Gephart > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was:Re:[] new year) >> >> Do you know Braille Music? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa wrote: >> >> >> They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >> Hasn't replied. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) >> >> Marissa, >> >> Have you tried NLS? They have a pretty large collection of music scores. >> Also, does your TVI and/or IA know Braille music? Perhaps your band director >> could give them the print music and they could transcribe it? Feel free to >> contact me off-list about this. >> >> HTH, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:02 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> >> It'd deffenatly be helpful for me, because I need music for band and have no >> clue where to get it and people aren't helping much. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "ryan bishop" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 21:57:09 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new >> year) >> >> I like this idea. I think it would be very helpful, especially >> for those who >> are just getting into high school, and those about to graduate. >> Ryan >> >> Ryan Bishop >> Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com >> 480-221-5195 >> Secretary >> Arizona Association of blind students >> http://az.nfb.org/aabs >> Webmaster >> National Federation of the Blind of Arizona >> http://az.nfb.org >> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for >> a tax >> deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation >> of the Blind >> today! For more information, please visit: >> http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org >> or call >> 1-855-659-9314 >> >> The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real >> problem is >> the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a >> blind person >> has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical >> nuisance. >> >> Confidentiality Notice: >> This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole >> use of the >> intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged >> information. As such, dispensing of this information should only >> be to >> individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended >> recipient, >> please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies >> of the >> original message. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> Darian Smith >> Sent: 03 January 2014 21:04 >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >> >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of >> my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing >> with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations >> for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >> >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school >> students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school >> students in >> a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school >> students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get >> sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of >> NABS there as a >> support, but mainly this would be the high school student's >> time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >> >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >> > wrote: >> >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science >> as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. If >> there's >> anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with math/science >> sorts of >> things: provide pointers on a question, provide a nonvisual >> description, >> anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm also willing to >> give >> pointers to parents so they can more easily explain things if >> that would be >> helpful as well. >> >> Joe >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail. >> com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96 >> %40gmail.co >> m >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbau >> m%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >> icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 04:10:17 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:10:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52ca2ce1.85a9420a.7af6.0eb7@mx.google.com> Play the part of my aunt? You haven't heard my voice, it wouldn't work. ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" The Apex converts it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Lucky you. I only have the Apex. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52ca2cdf.85a9420a.7af6.0eb6@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Marissa, The apex would not be able to convert print music to braille music. It does not work the same as print since music is not text. You need to have a transcriber edit the print file. Have you been shown what print music symbols look like? If not, that might be something to look into as well. There is a book of raised tactile music symbols available from NLS. The number for the music section, which you could call yourself (I have called throughout high school with no problems) is (202)707-500. They should be pretty helpful. On 1/5/14, marissa wrote: > The Apex converts it. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 18:38:49 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music > forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > Hi Marissa, > > Which files are you trying to convert to brf? Music is not like > other > print stuff that can just be scanned and converted to a different > format. Music in print, as well as music in braille, are > different > codes and follow different rules, and you need different software > than > Duxberry or Openbook to edit and make the conversions. If you > need a > brf file you will have to get a transcriber to edit the music and > email it to you. > > On 1/5/14, marissa wrote: > > Lucky you. > I only have the Apex. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 10:27:10 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > In New Jersey, we have the Comission for the Blind, and they get > me all of my equiptment. Plus, my TVI works for them. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 5, 2014, at 6:20 AM, marissa wrote: > > > If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to > brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying > to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marissa, > > I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even > band > directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. > I know > that blind students are not common in most band programs, and > most of > us who do join band are the first blind students our directors > have > met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of > my > teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. > The > problem is that school districts and band directors do not > think > these > standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that > students > with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. > > If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will > still > need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it > into > a brf > or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a > display but > have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email > you the > completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a > similar > software. > > I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked > earlier, > but > I'll keep looking for it. :) > > On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; > that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should > be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face > all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind > if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off > of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists > on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. > This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have > to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the > band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, > and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so > if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, > and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, > but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. > I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave > me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 04:30:30 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 05 Jan 2014 20:30:30 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] MusicforBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) Message-ID: <52ca319e.01f6420a.7e1f.fffff220@mx.google.com> Is it possable to request online? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: The Apex converts it. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Lucky you. I only have the Apex. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <52c94033.25c5440a.5956.ffffa75b@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <10C7D72878114C2CBE42462D4C391144@OwnerPC> Marisa, I think you need that display fixed. But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you cannot convert a file to braille on the apex. You need a transcriber. Print music is an image. it has a sympbol for treble or base clef Then lines called a staff are where the notes are. A note has a line called a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty. The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play. I have vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and playing the piano was frustrating. You will not convert print music to braille without a transcriber. NLS can send you the material to learn braille music. Just tell your aunt to call. write a note if needed to her. Press your school to get you this music. Its rediculous to hear this. Not only will they not teach you music reading wich other students get, but additionally, you are not even getting the music in braille. There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good feel. There is little excuse for this BS from your school. Meanwhile do the best you can. Listen and try and pick it up by ear. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I already know about print music, having asked my friends, but I do not know what they look like, I think I can get the gist of it though. I can't get the display fixed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Greetings High School Students! Want to take more control of your education? Want to be more socially active? Want to talk about and share ways to be more successful? Then Join the National Association of Blind Students for a call on enhancing the high school experience! Join NABS member Sophie Trist As she shares some techniques that work for her as she is navigating high school. Bring your questions and be ready to share a technique or skill you’ve learned too! Date: Sunday, janurary 12, 2014 Time:7:00 p.m. ET/ 4:00P.M. PT Call: ( 605)475-6700. Code 7869603. We look forward to hearing from you high - schoolers on the call! Regards, The National Association of Blind Students. From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 6 12:38:47 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 04:38:47 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? In-Reply-To: References: <52be212a.e71b310a.5d71.fffff1fcSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <015b01cf036c$4e0d9ce0$ea28d6a0$@gmail.com> <41C4B2FC000E4D64A80BE1E915C4660E@JAWS> <003f01cf03d9$4b06b0f0$e11412d0$@gmail.com> <000a01cf03d9$c1f94880$45ebd980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140106043810.01e7b398@comcast.net> Good morning, sign me up! At 07:26 AM 12/28/2013, I. C. Bray wrote: >Justin, & Joe... > > >Am I sencing sarcasm here, or are you two genuinely expressing approval? > >Justin, What discussion group would that be? >"Blind Sexuality" GRIN >or >"Blind Fettish" ROFL > >Joe, >"COLORFUL"... is that "Republican Code" for something else? >SMILE. > >Cheers! >Ian. > > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "justin williams" >To: ; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing >list'" >Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:33 AM >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? > > >: I'm sensing another discussion group forming... Grin. >: >: -----Original Message----- >: From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe >: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:30 AM >: To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? >: >: Hahaha, I hate pointless messages about as much as you do, but in my >: relatively short return to the NABS list, the message below was the most >: hilarious one so far. I'm really trying not to make this a waste of your >: time to read, especially in light of the serious topic, but nothing I >could >: write could top the carefree writing below. It made a Republican grin, and >: that's saying something. A bit bold, but there are nuggets of wisdom in >: Ian's colorful contribution. >: >: -----Original Message----- >: From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of I. C. Bray >: Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:30 AM >: To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >: Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? >: >: Dave, I'll tell you mine, if you tell me yours? ( smiley ) >: >: I am, of course only being fun & trying to relax the conversation. >: >: To everyone, >: >: Regardless of whatever fetishes you have, sexuality and intimacy, are >: definitely separate. >: Personality is key to Chemistry between people. >: I don't care how "HOT" or a person is, if you can't talk to them be >genuine >: and share humor, then you aren't going to make it in the bedroom or >: relationship... unless of course, the relationship is ONLY about sex. >: >: If SEX really is the only basis of the relationship, then fetishes should >: come out early, otherwise, you have to sneak them in... slowly. >: >: Speaking from experience? YES I AM. I try not to make my personal & >: private life this public, but it sounds like there is an open forum here >: with people who want perspective... I have some to share... you all are >: welcome to it. >: >: My best friend is a two-degreed Psycology Graduate who tought sex edd and >: does tons of comunity outreach. >: I have other friends who are Psychiatric doctors. This subject is a >: progressive one and it often doesn't get the benefit of being discussed >: without shame, or embarrassment. >: >: The thing that has my neck hair really raising is the borderline >personality >: trait of not respecting boundaries, and the mumbling to one's self. >: Sexuality, as we all know is key to some personal identity. It creates >: films like Psycho, and Blue Velvet and The Graduate and even Risky >Business. >: >: advice: >: Someone professional should be notified regarding this person in the hopes >: that as a professional, they can investigate and prevent any escallation. >: I think blocking the number is, at this point, not a bad idea. >: For those of you who have fetishes, I think they are healthy and once you >: get over the initial uniqueness and fear of shame or embarrassment, you >: should let your freak flag fly. >: We all have our turn-ons and offs. I do too! Find a website that is >based >: upon your intrests & fetishes and make friends is what I'll tell you to >do. >: Diversity is the seasoning and spice of life. Sometimes it will come at >a >: cost, but it is the only life you have-- you should live it. >: >: Gawd I love open and friendly conversations regarding progressive >: subjects... I should have been a Hippie. LOL! >: >: Respectfully, >: Ian C. Bray >: Louisville, KY. >: >: >: _______________________________________________ >: nabs-l mailing list >: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >: To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >: nabs-l: >: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com >: >: >: _______________________________________________ >: nabs-l mailing list >: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >: To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >: nabs-l: >: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >: .com >: >: >: _______________________________________________ >: nabs-l mailing list >: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >: To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 17:58:54 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 12:58:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) In-Reply-To: <52ca33c0.6f8a440a.77e9.ffffff70@mx.google.com> References: <52ca33c0.6f8a440a.77e9.ffffff70@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Ashley, you are right on and we are thinking along the same lines. :) If all else fails, getting an NLS transcriber to do the transcription is your best bet. That way all you would need is the print music from your teacher. It really does debunk the excuse of "I don't have time," because it only takes a few seconds to gather up your parts and hand them to you. Unfortunately as blind students, we can not always count on our teachers to do the right thing---even if it is required by law, in an IEP, etc. Sometimes we need to take our education into our own hands. That really does sound like what needs to happen here. You could also check if a local state agency will do the embossing for you if you do not have an embosser. On 1/5/14, marissa wrote: > I already know about print music, having asked my friends, but I > do not know what they look like, I think I can get the gist of it > though. > I can't get the display fixed > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 23:37:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music > forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > Marisa, > I think you need that display fixed. > But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you > cannot convert > a file to braille on the apex. > You need a transcriber. Print music is an image. it has a > sympbol for treble > or base clef > Then lines called a staff are where the notes are. A note has a > line called > a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty. > The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play. > I have > vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and > playing the > piano was frustrating. > > You will not convert print music to braille without a > transcriber. > NLS can send you the material to learn braille music. > Just tell your aunt to call. write a note if needed to her. > Press your school to get you this music. > > Its rediculous to hear this. Not only will they not teach you > music reading > wich other students get, but additionally, you are not even > getting the > music in braille. > There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good > feel. > > There is little excuse for this BS from your school. Meanwhile > do the best > you can. Listen and try and pick it up by ear. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > > If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to > brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying > to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marissa, > > I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even > band > directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. I > know > that blind students are not common in most band programs, and > most of > us who do join band are the first blind students our directors > have > met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of > my > teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. The > problem is that school districts and band directors do not think > these > standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that > students > with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. > > If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will > still > need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into > a brf > or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a display > but > have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you > the > completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a > similar > software. > > I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier, > but > I'll keep looking for it. :) > > On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should > be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off > of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 18:04:07 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:04:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) In-Reply-To: <10C7D72878114C2CBE42462D4C391144@OwnerPC> References: <52c94033.25c5440a.5956.ffffa75b@mx.google.com> <10C7D72878114C2CBE42462D4C391144@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Marissa, I don't really know as I've always just called. I think there might be, and I know you can do a self-service download of some music files in brf format from web braille, but these are mostly vocal scores and piano pieces. There was not much for clarinet the last time I checked. It's honestly quicker and easier if you call the music section anyway. There is no searching, and if you call early enough in the day the books can be in the mail to you by that afternoon. On 1/5/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Marisa, > I think you need that display fixed. > But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you cannot convert > > a file to braille on the apex. > You need a transcriber. Print music is an image. it has a sympbol for treble > > or base clef > Then lines called a staff are where the notes are. A note has a line called > > a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty. > The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play. I have > vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and playing the > > piano was frustrating. > > You will not convert print music to braille without a transcriber. > NLS can send you the material to learn braille music. > Just tell your aunt to call. write a note if needed to her. > Press your school to get you this music. > > Its rediculous to hear this. Not only will they not teach you music reading > > wich other students get, but additionally, you are not even getting the > music in braille. > There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good feel. > > There is little excuse for this BS from your school. Meanwhile do the best > you can. Listen and try and pick it up by ear. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) > > > If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to > brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying > to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for > BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marissa, > > I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even > band > directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students. I > know > that blind students are not common in most band programs, and > most of > us who do join band are the first blind students our directors > have > met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of > my > teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules. The > problem is that school districts and band directors do not think > these > standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that > students > with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks. > > If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will > still > need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into > a brf > or gf format. What is really helpful if you don't have a display > but > have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email you > the > completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a > similar > software. > > I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier, > but > I'll keep looking for it. :) > > On 1/4/14, marissa wrote: > > If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only > thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some > classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band > wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Marisa, > have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that > must suck > to have > trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the > apex. > > If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed. Since the display > isn't an > option, just emboss the braille music. Your TVI or aid should > be > able to > emboss it for you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was > RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve > anyway. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year) > > Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I am Mr Sanders' first blind student. I feel bad for him > sometimes, because he is so new to this. The > really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to > friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all > the time. Whenever I give him something, (like a braille > picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile. My > friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too. > > We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring > your own device. I have my braille note Apex, which would be > able to read the music, if only the display worked. The thing > is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if > I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off > of > the display, just like everyone else reading their phones, > tablets, etc. But because of the display, this does not seem > very effective. > I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear, > didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Kaiti Shelton To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: > adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Hi Marissa, > > Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on > this > topic. I had similar issues in high school; my band was really > large > like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to > providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers. This > is > exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in > the IEP > meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the > braille music situation as possible. This means that you will > simply > ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in > advance > as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS > yourself. > Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to > edit > things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open > line of > communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band > will > be playing for their next concert. > > It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and > what > your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we > can't > get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters > into our > own hands. > > The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified > braille > music transcribers along with email addresses for each person. > You > can email one in your state about getting your band music > brailled. I > would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high > school > had I waited for my band director to tow the line. > > I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to > this > thread. I hope it will be of help. Also, I have talked to > other > student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if > you > would like someone who has gone through high school music > classes and > is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would > be > glad to. I have found that most often when a director says, "I > don't > have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but > they're > scared of the commitment that they think will be required of > them to > produce braille music. Really, it isn't that big of a > commitment at > all, especially if you out source the transcription. > > On 1/4/14, Koby Cox wrote: > Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or > contact > details? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a > iPhone? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? > Right back soon, > Koby. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > Mikayla > Gephart > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is > swimming. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was > typing > a > little to fast. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > > How old are you? > Right back soon, > Koby > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > > Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and > figured it out. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa > wrote: > > > Does she know braille music? > If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it > it, > which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but > listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't > there. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted > me > to learn it. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > > Hi Marissa, > All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your > state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or > whomever > needs to call. > Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I > think that question is best answered by a librarian in your > cooperating > library. > We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of > the > library branch system of the county; they are county employees. > They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind > people. > I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But > perhaps your area is different. > > I would also recommend trying the distance education program, > hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. > > I've heard braille music is quite different than regular > braille; > I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few > years. > but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. > in > fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply > went to > class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the > lyrics > for me though. > > That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you > braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for > blind > musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code > and > meet > other blind musicians. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: marissa > Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to > highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > > > You can request it online? > How? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Lillie Pennington To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school(was:Re:[] new year) > > You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it > online. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. > No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They > would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. > I'm > trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to > call, so that one's out. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was:Re:[] new year) > > Do you know Braille Music? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa > wrote: > > > They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I > brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I > told > my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr > Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has > time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. > Hasn't replied. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" > Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high > school (was: Re:[] new year) > > Marissa, > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info > for nabs-l: > > > > 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 6 22:09:54 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 14:09:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? In-Reply-To: <52BE522A.5060106@tysdomain.com> References: <52BE522A.5060106@tysdomain.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140106140710.01e7e140@comcast.net> Good afternoon, Kaiti, As others have said, just block her and don't involve the parents! They have nothing to do with this. Anyway, what ould thay do? If they there was something thy had the power to do, don't you think they would have done it by now? Maybe, it would just cause them grate embarassment? for today, Car cell: 408-209-3239 , Tyler wrote: >Hello: >I don't know what good calling the house will do. I think at this >point you should just call and get the number blocked and let that >be that. It's not the best of solutions, but calling her parents >might just make things worse. >HTH, >On 12/27/2013 10:16 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>I would suggest calling her house and speaking with her parents. Or >>having her phone number blocked. >> >>Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>(336) 988-6375 >>pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>>On Dec 27, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton >>> wrote: >>> >>>Hi all, >>> >>>I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite >>>sure how to handle it. Thoughts? >>> >>>Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for >>>students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments. This >>>Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show students >>>and parents from around the state different employment options that >>>were available, ranging from vending and call center jobs to taking >>>the college route to get a degree in a two or four year program. A >>>friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other, were hanging out >>>early on. All of a sudden, this other girl was hanging all over him >>>and would not give him his personal space. It was very odd, >>>considering that this was a very short period of time in which this >>>all happened. Less than 24 hours after the students had met, my >>>friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and unwanted >>>attention that he began to avoid this girl. Other students, seeing >>>how creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to the same >>>thing, ended up following suit. >>> >>>I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend. The girl was >>>very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more >>>patient with her throughout the weekend. She seemed to be worse with >>>the guys than the girls too, so I had a little more space than my >>>friend. >>> >>>About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started >>>calling my house. The parents at the program were given a list of the >>>other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so they >>>could swap resources if they so chose. This girl got the list from >>>her parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly other >>>students as well although I am not sure. The calls started off being >>>about once every so often, then increased. She was a very odd girl, >>>and liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my friend. >>>There was nothing social about the calls, just complaining and >>>negativity, and mumbling which was really weird. He quit talking to >>>her much sooner than I did because I tried to get her to see that >>>being visually impaired, (she didn't like the word blind since she was >>>a large print reader, and kind of used that to elivate herself above >>>other people), was not the worst thing in the world. She would cry >>>and complain, and even tell me I didn't understand how bad things >>>were, when her descriptions of things made it sound like she was very >>>overdramatic. I decided at the end of my junior year, a year after >>>the calls started coming, that I didn't want to talk to a downer, and >>>that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that blindness didn't >>>mean the end of the world. >>> >>>The girl continued to call. My senior year was very busy with >>>activities and preparing for college. I would come home from marching >>>band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because the girl >>>had kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a span of a few >>>hours. They didn't want to answer the phone because whenever someone >>>told her I wasn't home she would instantly get teary and mumble things >>>to herself, and it was very weird, but they didn't want her to >>>continue calling either. I remember one night over Christmas break of >>>that year, she called and when I told her I was getting ready to leave >>>the house, which I was to go pick up someone coming in from out of >>>town for the holidays with my family, she got angry and wanted me to >>>give her my cell phone number. I told her that I didn't want to give >>>it out, and she started to get upset. Then I really had to go, and >>>there was the characteristic mumbling. >>> >>>My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've >>>been in college that the girl has continued to call. My mom has told >>>her that I live at school and do not come home much multiple times. >>>My younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've moved >>>away and have begun making up different things to tell her to try to >>>discourage her from calling. She continues to call, and around >>>Christmas it is always terrible. A few nights ago she called when my >>>parents were asleep a little after 11:00 at night, and has apparently >>>called and left messages late at night before. My parents have to get >>>up very early for work, so In order to stop the ringing and to prevent >>>a message from playing over the machine I had to answer. Everything >>>was exactly the same. I was heading to bed myself, so I told her that >>>I was asleep when she asked for me. The fact that she had called at >>>such a late hour didn't seem to phase her, there was just the mumbling >>>and usual stuff coming over the line. >>> >>>I don't quite know what to do. I've tried to be positive with her and >>>that hasn't worked. My family has told her that I no longer live at >>>home and am away at school among other things in frustration, but >>>nothing seems to phase her. I know she still calls my friend's house >>>as well, even though he does not live at home any more either. I >>>don't quite know what to do about this. I barely know her and she >>>barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with no >>>success. My parents and siblings have said that we should just block >>>her calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in high >>>school because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly forgot >>>about her for the most part while I was at school last year and last >>>semester because I can't get calls from her there. After the call a >>>few nights ago, I don't really know what to think. I am slightly >>>creeped out that even after my parents have told her I am not home for >>>the past year and a half that the calls are still coming. What do you >>>think I should do? >>> >>> -- >>>Kaiti >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>for nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com > > >-- >Take care, >Ty >http://tds-solutions.net >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >he that dares not reason is a slave. >Sent from my Toaster (tm). > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From michaelcapelle at charter.net Mon Jan 6 22:17:34 2014 From: michaelcapelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 16:17:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? References: <52BE522A.5060106@tysdomain.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140106140710.01e7e140@comcast.net> Message-ID: <8CF318070FA4416E8C4BCB4C86AF9DC3@COMPUTER1> file a harassment order on this idiot, i have done that several times, and it works. if you tell them to stop calling, that iswhat you mean, stop calling. every call after that, you can have them be charged $500.00 or have them issued a citation. mike. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carly Mihalakis" To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 4:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? > Good afternoon, Kaiti, > > As others have said, just block her and don't involve the parents! > They have nothing to do with this. Anyway, what ould thay do? If they > there was something thy had the power to do, don't you think they would > have done it by now? > Maybe, it would just cause them grate embarassment? > for today, Car > cell: 408-209-3239 > > , Tyler wrote: >>Hello: >>I don't know what good calling the house will do. I think at this point >>you should just call and get the number blocked and let that be that. It's >>not the best of solutions, but calling her parents might just make things >>worse. >>HTH, >>On 12/27/2013 10:16 PM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>I would suggest calling her house and speaking with her parents. Or >>>having her phone number blocked. >>> >>>Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>(336) 988-6375 >>>pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>>On Dec 27, 2013, at 5:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton >>>>wrote: >>>> >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite >>>>sure how to handle it. Thoughts? >>>> >>>>Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for >>>>students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments. This >>>>Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show students >>>>and parents from around the state different employment options that >>>>were available, ranging from vending and call center jobs to taking >>>>the college route to get a degree in a two or four year program. A >>>>friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other, were hanging out >>>>early on. All of a sudden, this other girl was hanging all over him >>>>and would not give him his personal space. It was very odd, >>>>considering that this was a very short period of time in which this >>>>all happened. Less than 24 hours after the students had met, my >>>>friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and unwanted >>>>attention that he began to avoid this girl. Other students, seeing >>>>how creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to the same >>>>thing, ended up following suit. >>>> >>>>I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend. The girl was >>>>very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more >>>>patient with her throughout the weekend. She seemed to be worse with >>>>the guys than the girls too, so I had a little more space than my >>>>friend. >>>> >>>>About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started >>>>calling my house. The parents at the program were given a list of the >>>>other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so they >>>>could swap resources if they so chose. This girl got the list from >>>>her parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly other >>>>students as well although I am not sure. The calls started off being >>>>about once every so often, then increased. She was a very odd girl, >>>>and liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my friend. >>>>There was nothing social about the calls, just complaining and >>>>negativity, and mumbling which was really weird. He quit talking to >>>>her much sooner than I did because I tried to get her to see that >>>>being visually impaired, (she didn't like the word blind since she was >>>>a large print reader, and kind of used that to elivate herself above >>>>other people), was not the worst thing in the world. She would cry >>>>and complain, and even tell me I didn't understand how bad things >>>>were, when her descriptions of things made it sound like she was very >>>>overdramatic. I decided at the end of my junior year, a year after >>>>the calls started coming, that I didn't want to talk to a downer, and >>>>that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that blindness didn't >>>>mean the end of the world. >>>> >>>>The girl continued to call. My senior year was very busy with >>>>activities and preparing for college. I would come home from marching >>>>band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because the girl >>>>had kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a span of a few >>>>hours. They didn't want to answer the phone because whenever someone >>>>told her I wasn't home she would instantly get teary and mumble things >>>>to herself, and it was very weird, but they didn't want her to >>>>continue calling either. I remember one night over Christmas break of >>>>that year, she called and when I told her I was getting ready to leave >>>>the house, which I was to go pick up someone coming in from out of >>>>town for the holidays with my family, she got angry and wanted me to >>>>give her my cell phone number. I told her that I didn't want to give >>>>it out, and she started to get upset. Then I really had to go, and >>>>there was the characteristic mumbling. >>>> >>>>My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've >>>>been in college that the girl has continued to call. My mom has told >>>>her that I live at school and do not come home much multiple times. >>>>My younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've moved >>>>away and have begun making up different things to tell her to try to >>>>discourage her from calling. She continues to call, and around >>>>Christmas it is always terrible. A few nights ago she called when my >>>>parents were asleep a little after 11:00 at night, and has apparently >>>>called and left messages late at night before. My parents have to get >>>>up very early for work, so In order to stop the ringing and to prevent >>>>a message from playing over the machine I had to answer. Everything >>>>was exactly the same. I was heading to bed myself, so I told her that >>>>I was asleep when she asked for me. The fact that she had called at >>>>such a late hour didn't seem to phase her, there was just the mumbling >>>>and usual stuff coming over the line. >>>> >>>>I don't quite know what to do. I've tried to be positive with her and >>>>that hasn't worked. My family has told her that I no longer live at >>>>home and am away at school among other things in frustration, but >>>>nothing seems to phase her. I know she still calls my friend's house >>>>as well, even though he does not live at home any more either. I >>>>don't quite know what to do about this. I barely know her and she >>>>barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with no >>>>success. My parents and siblings have said that we should just block >>>>her calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in high >>>>school because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly forgot >>>>about her for the most part while I was at school last year and last >>>>semester because I can't get calls from her there. After the call a >>>>few nights ago, I don't really know what to think. I am slightly >>>>creeped out that even after my parents have told her I am not home for >>>>the past year and a half that the calls are still coming. What do you >>>>think I should do? >>>> >>>> -- >>>>Kaiti >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com >> >> >>-- >>Take care, >>Ty >>http://tds-solutions.net >>He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>that dares not reason is a slave. >>Sent from my Toaster (tm). >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/michaelcapelle%40charter.net From audioaccess2013 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 22:50:03 2014 From: audioaccess2013 at gmail.com (David Dunphy) Date: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 17:50:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Djd Invasion Returns To Your Internet Radio In 2014 Message-ID: <2AF8006AF3FD4F1CAFE1CF901F5888FF@AudioAccessFMPC> Guess Who's Back, Back again, Dunphy's back, Tell A Friend! That's right! The Djd Invasion returns to your internet air waves tonight, from 7 to 10 PM eastern on the invasion's new home Renegade Radio http://www.renegaderadio.us Tune in tonight to hear A variety of songs from all genres, mostly upbeat, put together well, and made with cheering up you, the listener, in mind But that's not all! You'll be able to interact with me during tonight's show too! Read below for more info. A new web site will also be launching at 7 PM eastern, located at http://www.daviddunphyradio.com This site will let you Download show archives of past shows Listen to my live shows Make requests when I'm on and off air If friends use my soon to be set up private shoutcast server to do shows, they will be linked as well. And whenever a live show airs, you'll be able to here it with our accessible web player like the one we had for Audio Access FM, just by visiting http://www.daviddunphyradio.com The live interactive request system where you can add songs to my library in real time isn't up quite yet, but when the site launches tonight at 7 PM eastern at http://www.daviddunphyradio.com/requests4djd you can search my library for a song you might want, and the request will be emailed to me. But that's not all! Interact with me, hear about my shows and more by following my new twitter account made to promote the shows I do. It's at ddunphyradio and add me to skype for when I'm on doing a live show at my new skype address daviddunphyradio or call in via telephone at our new number 516-945-9165 So to get in touch during the show, you can Email me at djd at daviddunphyradio.com Skype me at my new skype for shows at daviddunphyradio Interact with me on twitter at either djdrocks or at the twitter for show info and interactivity at ddunphyradio Or you can call in at 516-945-9165 So to tune in, either go to http://www.renegaderadio.us between 7 and 10 PM eastern, or visit me on my own show page at http://www.daviddunphyradio.com Either way, tonight's going to be fun, so I hope to see you all there! >From David Dunphy From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 6 23:23:56 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Mon, 06 Jan 2014 15:23:56 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] MusicforBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) Message-ID: <52cb3b47.4abd440a.3a22.7017@mx.google.com> I have a brailleest who brailles all my things for me, how does that work? If I sent her the sheets, could she skan it and put it into brf? Any free NLS transcribers? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: I already know about print music, having asked my friends, but I do not know what they look like, I think I can get the gist of it though. I can't get the display fixed ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" There are piano pieces? I play piano; you said they were already in brf? Do you have the link? ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: Marisa, I think you need that display fixed. But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you cannot convert a file to braille on the apex. You need a transcriber. Print music is an image. it has a sympbol for treble or base clef Then lines called a staff are where the notes are. A note has a line called a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty. The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play. I have vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and playing the piano was frustrating. You will not convert print music to braille without a transcriber. NLS can send you the material to learn braille music. Just tell your aunt to call. write a note if needed to her. Press your school to get you this music. Its rediculous to hear this. Not only will they not teach you music reading wich other students get, but additionally, you are not even getting the music in braille. There is software to create braille music; I think its named Good feel. There is little excuse for this BS from your school. Meanwhile do the best you can. Listen and try and pick it up by ear. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear) If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to brf on the Apex. We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some classes because I do not have a braille writer in them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or contact details? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox wrote: That's cool. I see that you have a iPad do you also have a iPhone? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) some vision, but not enough to rely on large print. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? Right back soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. Sent from my iPad On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" All: The Legislative Agenda and Fact Sheets for the 2014 NFB Washington Seminar are now available at: https://nfb.org/washington-seminar Sincerely, Anil Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 07:44:40 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 02:44:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Blackboard with JAWS Message-ID: <1796D899B62941BD86BB1D2BDD69EF3D@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here are using or used Blackboard with JAWS for school before? I’m actually struggling with Blackboard with JAWS right now because I really don’t know how to go around the page, since is actually my first time using it for my classes. I actually used H for headdings, N for next element, and Insert F7 for links. But I just wanted to ask you, are these the only commands that are use to navigate a web page, specifically a Blackboard page, or are another commands that I’m missing that I really don’t know about?In fact, I also know how to use place markers. I just wanted to ask you, do you guys use place markers to navigate a Blackboard page? Just curious. The reason I’m asking is because in the Blackboard page are some links that I’m not able to read with JAWS, but one of my sighted family members can see, and I actually don’t know how to get to those buttons, and links. For example, two of the buttons are the submit button, and start button, and etc. Do you guys know how to submit, begin, and attach an assignment in Blackboard? I’m enrolled in a free Blackboard class online, which is suppose to teach you how to use Blackboard, but the problem is that this class is actually for sighted students who are starting to use Blackboard for the first time, but it is not for a visually impaired students, who are learning how to use Blackboard with JAWS for the first time. And the reason is not for Blind students is because it always tells you to click on the link, or click on the submit button, etc, and actually one of my family member is helping me with this class. Also, I just wanted to ask you, do you guys know of any websites that have a class in how to use Blackboard with JAWS for blind students who are learning Blackboard for the first time? Just curious! And also How do you manage to go around links, and assignments that your Professor send you that are not accesseble with JAWS in Blackboard, like pictures and PDF documets? just wondering as well. I actually need to learn how how to use Blackboard very well, due to the fact that I’m taking Introduction of American Government, and Concepts of Biology this semester, which are actually Hybrid classes that include a lot of assignments in Blackboard. Sorry for asking yu all these questions! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Best, Darian =20 =20 On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:22 PM, Darian Smith wrote: > Depending upon the level of success of this call and demand for = something like it. it might be possible to have something like this at = national convention. > depending upon where you live, you might have a student division in = place and they might be able to do something locally or at a state = convention for high school students if you want it and work with them = to do it as well. =20 > On Jan 3, 2014, at 9:13 PM, Chris Nusbaum = wrote: >=20 >> No, this would be a conference call. >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >> Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 12:01 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >>=20 >>=20 >> O, if it's a call in, like a phone call, that may work. I thought = you >> ment like a get together at a certaine spot >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"=20 >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 23:55:10 -0500 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new=20 >> year) >>=20 >> Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for=20 >> them as >> well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate=20 >> actively >> in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording=20 >> and/or >> notes available online for them to reference later. While there=20 >> will >> doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be=20 >> useful to >> those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in=20 >> which blind >> high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's=20 >> being >> involved. Thoughts? >>=20 >> Chris >>=20 >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of=20 >> marissa >> Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new=20 >> year) >>=20 >>=20 >> Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable,=20 >> you should >> alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school=20 >> students, that >> way they are aware too. >>=20 >>=20 >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Darian Smith > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list=20 >> > Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 >> Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) >>=20 >> High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of=20 >> my life in >> more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing=20 >> with >> accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations=20 >> for myself >> was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. >>=20 >> I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school=20 >> students >> could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school=20 >> students >> in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >> we would want to maintain this as a place where high school=20 >> students would >> feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get=20 >> sound advice >> from each other. we would have a more experienced member of=20 >> NABS there as >> a support, but mainly >> this would be the high school student=92s time. >> thoughts? >> Darian >>=20 >> On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger=20 >> > wrote: >>=20 >> I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science=20 >> as a >> profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. >> If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with >> math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question,=20 >> provide a >> nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact=20 >> me. I'm >> also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily=20 >> explain >> things if that would be helpful as well. >>=20 >> Joe >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for nabs-l: >>=20 >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >> mail.com >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >> ife7%40gmail.com >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for = nabs-l: >> = http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com >=20 From gpaikens at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 15:56:44 2014 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 10:56:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Blackboard with JAWS In-Reply-To: <1796D899B62941BD86BB1D2BDD69EF3D@Helga> References: <1796D899B62941BD86BB1D2BDD69EF3D@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Helga, I have been successful using blackboard for grad school and now for work. A few blackboard tips I have found to be helpful: Use the letter M to move by frame to skip the navigation frame and get to the content. If you are looking for a button use letter B to jump to the next one. If you are looking for a form field, use the letter F, etc. Sometimes it makes more sense to jump to the bottom of a webpage and work your way back up, especially if you are jumping by headings on blackboard. Use Insert+F1 twice quickly to pull up the JAWS help menu while in Internet Explorer and look through all the JAWS commands used to navigate a web page. The ones you listed are good ones, but there are many more that might make your life easier. You might also look for general JAWS tutorials for the internet. Hope this helps. Best of luck. On 1/7/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you > here are using or used Blackboard with JAWS for school before? I’m actually > struggling with Blackboard with JAWS right now because I really don’t know > how to go around the page, since is actually my first time using it for my > classes. I actually used H for headdings, N for next element, and Insert F7 > for links. But I just wanted to ask you, are these the only commands that > are use to navigate a web page, specifically a Blackboard page, or are > another commands that I’m missing that I really don’t know about?In fact, I > also know how to use place markers. I just wanted to ask you, do you guys > use place markers to navigate a Blackboard page? Just curious. The reason > I’m asking is because in the Blackboard page are some links that I’m not > able to read with JAWS, but one of my sighted family members can see, and I > actually don’t know how to get to those buttons, and links. For example, two > of the buttons are the submit button, and start button, and etc. Do you guys > know how to submit, begin, and attach an assignment in Blackboard? I’m > enrolled in a free Blackboard class online, which is suppose to teach you > how to use Blackboard, but the problem is that this class is actually for > sighted students who are starting to use Blackboard for the first time, but > it is not for a visually impaired students, who are learning how to use > Blackboard with JAWS for the first time. And the reason is not for Blind > students is because it always tells you to click on the link, or click on > the submit button, etc, and actually one of my family member is helping me > with this class. Also, I just wanted to ask you, do you guys know of any > websites that have a class in how to use Blackboard with JAWS for blind > students who are learning Blackboard for the first time? Just curious! And > also How do you manage to go around links, and assignments that your > Professor send you that are not accesseble with JAWS in Blackboard, like > pictures and PDF documets? just wondering as well. I actually need to learn > how how to use Blackboard very well, due to the fact that I’m taking > Introduction of American Government, and Concepts of Biology this semester, > which are actually Hybrid classes that include a lot of assignments in > Blackboard. Sorry for asking yu all these questions! I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! From agrima at nbp.org Tue Jan 7 16:16:02 2014 From: agrima at nbp.org (Tony Grima) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 11:16:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Odd Boy Out: Young Albert Einstein Message-ID: <007501cf0bc3$c2964530$47c2cf90$@org> January 2014 Book Club Selection Odd Boy Out: Young Albert Einstein by Dr. Seuss Print/braille children's book, $6.99 In contracted braille Ages 5 to 10 When he was born, Albert was a peculiar, fat baby with an unusually big and misshaped head. When he was older, he didn't have many friends, and he puzzled his teachers; though clearly gifted in science, math, and music, he was an indifferent student in most subjects. But in the midst of all of this, Albert was fascinated with solving puzzles and fixing scientific problems. The ideas Albert Einstein came up with during his childhood as an odd boy out were destined to change the way we know and understand the world around us . . . This well-crafted biography focuses on Einstein's hard-to-classify brilliance, which led to awesome scientific discoveries, but all too often left him a misunderstood outsider. Brown offers a thoughtful introduction to an enigmatic man. This book will pique the interest of readers with little or no knowledge of Einstein. "Read this if your child is unique (and they all are). I sent this to a friend whose son is quite intelligent, but does not always follow school rules. She first read it herself, then chose sections to talk with him about. Very enlightening." -An Amazon.com Reader If your child has an inquisitive mind, pair this book with our Out-of-Sight Science Experiments! To order, visit: http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/BC1401-ODD.html ****** To order any books, send payment to: NBP, 88 St. Stephen Street, Boston, MA 02115-4302 Or call and charge it: toll-free (800) 548-7323 or (617) 266-6160 ext 520. Or order any of our books online at http://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/publications/index.html. From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jan 7 17:08:28 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 12:08:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Blackboard with JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <1796D899B62941BD86BB1D2BDD69EF3D@Helga> Message-ID: Hi, The command I probably use the most is control and F. This brings up a dialog box in which you could type a specific word or phrase you're looking for on the page, and it will find it for you. I also use insert f 7, h, e, and n a lot. Have you spoken with your disability coordinator? Maybe they can get the IT department to fix some of these coding issues in their system. Whenever I have problems with the Sakai site my school uses, the IT department goes in and fixes the code so that it is accessible with Jaws. Your school's IT department should be following WCAG guidelines anyway. Hope this helps. On 1/7/14, Greg Aikens wrote: > Hi Helga, > I have been successful using blackboard for grad school and now for > work. A few blackboard tips I have found to be helpful: > Use the letter M to move by frame to skip the navigation frame and get > to the content. > If you are looking for a button use letter B to jump to the next one. > If you are looking for a form field, use the letter F, etc. > Sometimes it makes more sense to jump to the bottom of a webpage and > work your way back up, especially if you are jumping by headings on > blackboard. > > Use Insert+F1 twice quickly to pull up the JAWS help menu while in > Internet Explorer and look through all the JAWS commands used to > navigate a web page. The ones you listed are good ones, but there are > many more that might make your life easier. You might also look for > general JAWS tutorials for the internet. > > Hope this helps. Best of luck. > > On 1/7/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to ask you, do any of >> you >> here are using or used Blackboard with JAWS for school before? I’m >> actually >> struggling with Blackboard with JAWS right now because I really don’t >> know >> how to go around the page, since is actually my first time using it for >> my >> classes. I actually used H for headdings, N for next element, and Insert >> F7 >> for links. But I just wanted to ask you, are these the only commands that >> are use to navigate a web page, specifically a Blackboard page, or are >> another commands that I’m missing that I really don’t know about?In fact, >> I >> also know how to use place markers. I just wanted to ask you, do you guys >> use place markers to navigate a Blackboard page? Just curious. The reason >> I’m asking is because in the Blackboard page are some links that I’m not >> able to read with JAWS, but one of my sighted family members can see, and >> I >> actually don’t know how to get to those buttons, and links. For example, >> two >> of the buttons are the submit button, and start button, and etc. Do you >> guys >> know how to submit, begin, and attach an assignment in Blackboard? I’m >> enrolled in a free Blackboard class online, which is suppose to teach you >> how to use Blackboard, but the problem is that this class is actually for >> sighted students who are starting to use Blackboard for the first time, >> but >> it is not for a visually impaired students, who are learning how to use >> Blackboard with JAWS for the first time. And the reason is not for Blind >> students is because it always tells you to click on the link, or click on >> the submit button, etc, and actually one of my family member is helping >> me >> with this class. Also, I just wanted to ask you, do you guys know of any >> websites that have a class in how to use Blackboard with JAWS for blind >> students who are learning Blackboard for the first time? Just curious! >> And >> also How do you manage to go around links, and assignments that your >> Professor send you that are not accesseble with JAWS in Blackboard, like >> pictures and PDF documets? just wondering as well. I actually need to >> learn >> how how to use Blackboard very well, due to the fact that I’m taking >> Introduction of American Government, and Concepts of Biology this >> semester, >> which are actually Hybrid classes that include a lot of assignments in >> Blackboard. Sorry for asking yu all these questions! I will really >> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions >> regarding this. Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jan 7 22:03:06 2014 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:03:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: 2014 Prudential Internship Announcement In-Reply-To: <536A6F8F8486F94A982D8431ACEF3CC090FF41@EXCH-MB-02.aba.ad.abanet.org> References: <536A6F8F8486F94A982D8431ACEF3CC090FF41@EXCH-MB-02.aba.ad.abanet.org> Message-ID: <00f201cf0bf4$3e952040$bbbf60c0$@labarrelaw.com> From: Commission on Disability Rights (Full) [mailto:CDR-FULL at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG] On Behalf Of Allbright, Amy Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:21 PM To: CDR-FULL at MAIL.AMERICANBAR.ORG Subject: 2014 Prudential Internship Announcement Importance: High Hi all, Attached is the announcement for the 2014 Prudential Summer Internship Program. For those new to the Commission, the Commission partners with Prudential by soliciting applications and ultimately choosing the finalist. Please distribute the announcement if you have contacts w/ law schools and law students. Thanks! ______________________________________ Thank you for your continued interest in this list. A summary of your discussion list subscriptions, including CDR-FULL, can be found at http://apps.americanbar.org/elistserv/home.cfm . This new List Subscription Page allows you to manage your lists - unsubscribe from existing or join others. If you have any issues you may either contact the list owner via email: CDR-FULL-request at mail.americanbar.org , or the ABA Service Center at phone: 1-800-285-2221 or email: service at americanbar.org . ______________________________________ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Job Description-Law Internship 2014.docx Type: application/octet-stream Size: 15889 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jan 8 01:44:08 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2014 19:44:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mobile Speak is now available on the Nokia Store! Message-ID: > >Mobile Speak is now available on the Nokia Store! > > >Mobile Speak is now available on the Nokia Store! > > > > > >V5.90 provides another free upgrade for existing >users, and now allows the convenient option of purchasing via the Nokia Store > > > >Barcelona, Spain, January 7th, 2014 > >Ten years may have passed since Code Factory >first released Mobile Speak for Symbian, but >we’re still happy to provide our users with >innovations. The latest v5.90 of Mobile Speak is >the first version which is available for >purchase on the Nokia Store. This provides new >users with a convenient and more economical way >to get a personally licensed version of the >popular screen reader on their trusted Symbian >device. As well as being available on the Nokia >Store, v5.90 is also available for download via >the traditional ways and can still be purchased >through our network of distributors. Once again, >it is offered as a free upgrade for licensed >users of Mobile Speak v4.0 and above. > > > >“Nokia has been ramping down its support for the >Symbian platform, but we are still seeing strong >demand for Symbian screen readers. Visually >impaired users are hanging onto their Symbian >devices, or even stocking up on second-hand ones >to serve them reliably in the future,” explains >Eduard Sánchez, CEO at Code Factory. “To make it >easier and more economical for all users >worldwide to enjoy the power and configurability >of Mobile Speak on their devices, we’ve made >v5.90 available for purchase on the Nokia Store. >This will be especially welcome in many >developing countries, where Symbian devices are >still highly popular and it had sometimes been >challenging for users to find a local Mobile >Speak distributor. We’ve also taken this >opportunity to place some of our popular tools >like the Mobile Color Recognizer and our games >on the Nokia Store, to also make it easier to >obtain these apps designed especially for the visually impaired.” > > > >Although the general functionality is nearly >identical, there are some important differences >between the Store version and the original >version of Mobile Speak. These differences are >explained in detail in our Mobile Speak on the >Nokia Store FAQ here: >http://www.codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=442. > > >This version provides several important >improvements (compared to the previous public v5.82 release) including: > >- Enhanced web browser support on all devices. > >- Outstanding support for the latest WhatsApp >v2.11.173, the world’s most popular mobile messaging application. > >- No more audio conflicts with many audio apps >like Music Player and Radio when using Nokia and Nokia HQ voices. > >- Many other improvements and bug fixes, for all users to enjoy! > >To check the full list of improvements and bug >fixes, please consult Sections 2.1 and 2.14 of the user manual at: >http://www.codefactory.es/download.asp?file=family_4/ms59_userguide_symbian.html > > >To read more about Mobile Speak visit: >http://codefactory.es/en/products.asp?id=316 > > > > >For the Nokia Store version please go to >http://store.ovi.com/content/423506 >and log into your Nokia account. Our popular >Mobile Color Recognizer and games (Mines, Fuse >Mania, Spider and Tone Master) are now also >available on the Nokia Store, please search for >them or use the following direct links: > >Mobile Color Recognizer: >http://store.ovi.com/content/452066 > >Mines (free app): >http://store.ovi.com/content/436986 > >Fuse Mania: >http://store.ovi.com/content/441460 > >Spider: >http://store.ovi.com/content/441527 > >Tone Master: >http://store.ovi.com/content/441554 > >Ringtone Maker: >http://store.ovi.com/content/448993 > >The Store versions of these additional apps will >work with any screen reader, providing an easy >way for all visually impaired users to access them. > > >Existing users of Mobile Speak with v5.80 or >later installed can update very conveniently by >going to Configure Mobile Speak > Options > >Check for updates and following the steps. >Alternatively, you can download Mobile Speak v5.90 now at: >http://codefactory.es/en/downloads.asp?id=348#version_0_106. >New users can try it for free for 30 days. No >TTS installation files have changed, so there is >no need to reinstall them if upgrading from v5.8x. > > > > >About Code Factory > > > >Founded in 1998 and headquartered in Terrassa >(Barcelona), Spain, Code Factory is the global >leader committed to the development of products >designed to eliminate barriers to the >accessibility of mobile technology for the blind >and visually impaired. Today, Code Factory is >the leading provider of accessible mobile >applications such as screen readers, screen >magnifiers, and Braille interfaces. Code >Factory’s products are compatible with the >widest range of mainstream mobile devices >running on Symbian, Windows Mobile, BlackBerry >and Android Smartphones. Among Code Factory's >customers are well known organizations for the >blind such as ONCE in Spain, and carriers such >as AT&T, Bouygues Telecom, SFR, TIM and Vodafone. >For any query regarding our products, you can >submit support ticket via Code Factory help desk at: >http://www.codefactory.cat/helpdesk/index.php?a=add > >You can now follow Code Factory at: > >http://twitter.com/codefactory > >For more information, feel free to contact Code Factory S.L.: >Code Factory, S.L., C/ Major 19, 2-3, 08221 >Terrassa (Barcelona) >HelpDesk, >www.codefactory.es Code Factory, S.L. - 2014 > > > >This message was sent to david.andrews at nfbnet.org from: > >Code Factory, S.L. | Major, 19, 2-3 | Terrassa, Barcelona 08221, Spain From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Jan 8 20:36:34 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:36:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News Message-ID: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> Hi, I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the Tech School, which means that I will be going there for high school! Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From hotdancer1416 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 20:48:46 2014 From: hotdancer1416 at gmail.com (Lavonnya) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:48:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News In-Reply-To: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> References: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> Message-ID: <4330EC19-A8D9-4914-BCED-476088CE9377@gmail.com> I am so happy for you. have fun. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 8, 2014, at 15:36, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Hi, > I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the Tech School, which means that I will be going there for high school! > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com From filerime at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 20:56:31 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 15:56:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News In-Reply-To: <4330EC19-A8D9-4914-BCED-476088CE9377@gmail.com> References: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> <4330EC19-A8D9-4914-BCED-476088CE9377@gmail.com> Message-ID: wow! this is super, enjoy. 2014/1/8, Lavonnya : > I am so happy for you. have fun. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 8, 2014, at 15:36, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Hi, >> I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the Tech >> School, which means that I will be going there for high school! >> Best, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 21:03:35 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 16:03:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News In-Reply-To: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> References: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> Message-ID: <00f901cf0cb5$191ae2c0$4b50a840$@gmail.com> Outstanding; great job. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 3:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Great News Hi, I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the Tech School, which means that I will be going there for high school! Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From fowlers at syix.com Wed Jan 8 21:21:45 2014 From: fowlers at syix.com (Angela Fowler) Date: Wed, 8 Jan 2014 13:21:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Apply now for the 2014 Chemistry Camp Message-ID: <003601cf0cb7$a2576a20$e7063e60$@syix.com> Announcing the 2014 California Chemistry Camp for Blind and Visually Impaired High School Students! Would you like to learn how blind people tackle the very visual subject of organic chemistry successfully? Do you have a general love for science? Do you want to learn how you can do chemistry as a blind person just as successfully as your sighted peers? Do you want to apply the chemistry you learned to food such as olive oil? Are you interested in how blind professionals use science in their careers every day? Then the 2014 California Chemistry Camp is for you! Come join Accessible Science for an Educational, exciting, and Fun-Filled weekend of hands-on science! When: Friday, May 2, 2014 through Sunday, May 4, 2014. Where: Enchanted Hills Camp near Napa, California. Who: Up to fifteen blind high school students ages 14-18 will be selected to participate. Cost: There is no cost to apply for the program. Accessible Science is a 501(c)(3) organization with the purpose of providing accessible educational opportunities. While programming is provided at no cost to participants, everyone is encouraged to make a tax deductible donation to support current and future programs of Accessible Science. Only through the generosity of our supporters can we provide our programs at no cost. During this exciting and busy 3-day experience, students will get to learn how blind and visually impaired people use chemistry in their careers, they will explore techniques used by blind people to make chemistry accessible, they will perform hands-on accessible chemistry experiments, they will apply the chemistry they learned to some basic cooking and olive oil chemistry, see the chemistry they learned turned into action with an exhilarating magic show, and talk with blind and sighted scientists who use science as a mainstay of their careers. The students will also be able to participate in recreational activities. Exciting evening activities are planned. Note that students need not only love science to apply. This will be a learning experience for everyone! Throughout the weekend, students will have quality time to socialize amongst each other and with blind mentors and instructors. Students will be put into groups of three and each group of three will work with a blind mentor. The blind mentor will act as a role model for the students during the course of the weekend and do everything with the students. The students will perform all activities with their mentors. Each group (three students and mentor) will most likely share a sleeping area. Other blind and sighted instructors and volunteers will also be present for the duration of the camp. Transportation will be provided to Enchanted Hills Camp from pick-up points in the San Francisco bay area and at pick-up points in Sacramento. Transportation will leave the pick-up points in both the bay area and Sacramento around 2 PM on Friday, May 2 and will be dropped off at the same points at about 4 PM on Sunday, May 4. Adults affiliated with the chemistry camp will wait at pick-up points until all children are accounted for by their parents or legal guardians. Parents are also more than welcome to provide their child with transportation directly to the camp if they wish. If parents drive their children, they should plan to arrive at the camp near Napa, California around 3 PM on Friday and be back at the camp to pick up their children at around 2 PM on Sunday. To apply, please visit: http://www.accessiblescience.org/node/5 Note that this is a preliminary application. If applicants are selected to move on in the process, the student and/or parent or legal guardian may be interviewed via telephone. Once a student has been accepted to participate, they will be notified by email or phone. Once students are accepted, the parents or legal guardian of the student will be sent several permission release and safety forms to be signed and returned Logistical specifics of the camp such as transportation, dietary allergies, a more precise schedule, and health concerns will be discussed at this time. Note that if we do not receive all permission forms signed by the parent or legal guardian of a student by the time of the camp, the student will NOT be able to participate in the camp. We hope to see you this spring at Enchanted Hills! If you have any questions, contact Angela Fowler Director of planning, Accessible Science Email: fowlers at syix.com Phone: 530-902-0987 From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 8 23:27:55 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 15:27:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] music chart Message-ID: <52cddf00.4166420a.7305.fffff10d@mx.google.com> Hi all, So I found this on the NABS site, but it is a book. Can someone help me find the tables and stuff seperatly? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: music braille code.txt Type: application/octet-stream Size: 142886 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 9 01:17:27 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 08 Jan 2014 20:17:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News In-Reply-To: References: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> <4330EC19-A8D9-4914-BCED-476088CE9377@gmail.com> Message-ID: <9DC34C5A-8FA1-4AAC-A80F-80507A773E12@icloud.com> Thank you! I will! Sent from my iPad On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Elif Emir wrote: > wow! this is super, enjoy. > > 2014/1/8, Lavonnya : >> I am so happy for you. have fun. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 15:36, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> Hi, >>> I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the Tech >>> School, which means that I will be going there for high school! >>> Best, >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From ALewis at nfb.org Thu Jan 9 03:11:21 2014 From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 03:11:21 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question In-Reply-To: <00ce01cf0823$f082b850$d18828f0$@gmail.com> References: <96f126a22dcc4dcbb57002aabec97256@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <00ce01cf0823$f082b850$d18828f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5d1a445e64ee4e2195b49f03f1f59ac3@BLUPR07MB689.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> Chris: Thank you. I sincerely hope that everyone shares it via email, Facebook, Twitter, and any other social media. Anil Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) twitter: @anillife -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum Sent: Thursday, January 2, 2014 8:34 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question Anil, Great appeal to the public mind regarding subminimum wages. Well done. I will be sure to share this with my sighted friends and colleagues. Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lewis, Anil Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2014 11:52 AM To: Affiliate Presidents (state-affiliate-leadership-list at nfbnet.org); nfb-legislative-directors at nfbnet.org Cc: NABS List (nabs-l at nfbnet.org); NFB Chapter Presidents discussion list (chapter-presidents at nfbnet.org) Subject: [nabs-l] A Ridiculous Question A Ridiculous Question Submitted by alewis on Thu, 01/02/2014 - 11:32 Blog Date: Thursday, January 2, 2014 By Anil Lewis https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/ridiculous-question So you go to work tomorrow, and it is pay day. You receive a paycheck for $15.00 for two weeks of work. You speak to your supervisor, and you are informed that the company has switched to a new payroll model based on a new law, Section D (9) (u), that calculates wages based on a new commensurate wage formula. This new formula is only used to calculate the wages paid to you and others like you. Although you are as productive as the other employees, no one else but you and others like you are subjected to this new wage formula, especially not management or the company executives. In fact, the executives are now receiving six-figure salaries as a result of the cost savings created by the new wage structure for workers like you. You complain, to no avail. Managers attempt to convince you that this new structure still offers you the ability to receive the tangible and intangible benefits of work. After all, it is not about the money, it is about fulfillment. This is not acceptable to you, so you seek vocational training that allows you to be a more productive employee. You go to a section D(9)(u) vocational training program that claims to be the best training program for people like you. This community training program is operated in a sheltered, segregated environment comprised of other people like you. The program assists you in developing the work and interpersonal skills necessary to be a competitive employee. They focus on teaching you real-world job skills like how to fold letters, stuff envelopes, sort hangers, hang clothes, and screw caps on pens. Although none of these tasks match your unique skills, talents, abilities or interests, it is what the training program has to offer. If there are no letters to be folded, envelopes to be stuffed, hangers to be sorted, or pens to be capped, the program offers you the opportunity to play video games, play cards, read books, or sleep. The section D(9)(u) program costs more than other conventional training programs, but it is subsidized with public funds and operates as a charitable 501(c)(3) organization. The program has a competitive employment placement rate of less than 5 percent and therefore, most of the workers spend their entire vocational existence in this "training" program. Even though the program has no measureable positive impact on improving the employment of people like you, the marketing team is successful in their efforts of convincing public policy makers and philanthropic funding sources to feel that this is the best employment strategy for people like you. It is obvious that this new policy is denying you the opportunity to reach your full vocational potential, while endorsing incompetent training programs and substandard employers. You want this policy repealed and you want the same workplace and wage protections as every other employee. Okay, there is no Section D(9)(u) that exempts you from receiving equal wage protections, but there is a Section 14(c ) of the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) that exempts people like me from being guaranteed the federal minimum wage. So my question is, "Why is this type of discriminatory policy not so ridiculous when it applies to people like me?" For more information, visit http://www.nfb.org/fair-wages. Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A. Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org twitter: @anillife _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/alewis%40nfb.org From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 10:13:01 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 10:13:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Great News In-Reply-To: <9DC34C5A-8FA1-4AAC-A80F-80507A773E12@icloud.com> References: <99D83472-AC10-4AB7-8E5F-7AD4B838F316@icloud.com> <4330EC19-A8D9-4914-BCED-476088CE9377@gmail.com> <9DC34C5A-8FA1-4AAC-A80F-80507A773E12@icloud.com> Message-ID: Congratulations Mikayla! On 1/9/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Thank you! I will! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:56 PM, Elif Emir wrote: > >> wow! this is super, enjoy. >> >> 2014/1/8, Lavonnya : >>> I am so happy for you. have fun. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 8, 2014, at 15:36, Mikayla Gephart >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi, >>>> I just thought that you would want to know that I got accepted to the >>>> Tech >>>> School, which means that I will be going there for high school! >>>> Best, >>>> Mikayla >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hotdancer1416%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 17:14:04 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:14:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. Message-ID: Hi all, Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on campus. Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of their housing is apartments and houses around campus. Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior year. Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around other people. It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for housing. I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore students. I would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be no options available for just one in case I would need to just look for myself. I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the people I am always around. They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be letting down someone else. I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go through them. Of course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What were some things which worked for you? -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 18:22:59 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 13:22:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that will reach a lot of people. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. Hi all, Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on campus. Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of their housing is apartments and houses around campus. Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior year. Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around other people. It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for housing. I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore students. I would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be no options available for just one in case I would need to just look for myself. I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the people I am always around. They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be letting down someone else. I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go through them. Of course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What were some things which worked for you? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 18:59:59 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 13:59:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to her. On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that will > reach a lot of people. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Hi all, > > Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. > > I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on > campus. > Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the > university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups are > especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of their > housing > is apartments and houses around campus. > > Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the time we > thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year and things > were going really well. Just over break one of the girls decided that she > was going to transfer to a school closer to home for personal reasons, and > the other has said for a while that since she lives fairly close she is > planning on commuting for junior year. > Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an apartment > together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in my fraternity > house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. > > One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students can be > pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own little group > because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early on in freshman > year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; I am friendly with a > lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to anyone other than my two > friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around > other people. It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even > though > I was a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way > to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm > halfway > through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really > know > me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by with > us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them to really > get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will not have someone > to be in a group with me for housing. > > I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot live in > the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore students. I > would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. A lot > of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I would need at > least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is almost nothing > available for two people, and there appear to be no options available for > just one in case I would need to just look for myself. > > I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the > problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend a > lot > of time around the same very small group of people. There are about 100 > students in the department, and these are the people I am always around. > They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two friends > that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more gen ed courses > this semester which could help with getting out of the familiar social > circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm not sure how much > time > there will really be for socializing. > I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of them > sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a large > number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester again. I > really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way for me to branch > out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will have the extra time to > devote to it. The added component is that a lot of the clubs that caught > my > interest were social justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big > Sisters, so if I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would > also > be letting down someone else. > > I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure > housing, > but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go through them. Of > course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. > > Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had housing > concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What were some > things which worked for you? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 18:59:40 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 13:59:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting To Meet More Blind People From Florida Message-ID: <52cef1ac.2385310a.5bb9.3edc@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, I hope you are all doing well. Can some members from Florida please email me off list? I'd really like to meet more of you from this list. From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:05:29 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:05:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] History Project Message-ID: Hello all, Do you like learning about the history of the federation? Do you enjoy interviewing others? Are you interested in learning more about the role NABS has played in the NFB and how it was like in the past? Then the NABS History Project is for you! I am interested in finding students who will contribute to a project in which we will gather some history about the student division. This will be accomplished in several ways, including interviewing former NABS presidents and formidable leaders in the federation who were once members of NABS to gain insight into the organization throughout the past several decades. If interested in joining me in this endeavor, please let me know. Thanks. -- Kaiti From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:22:34 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:22:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be randomly matched with roommates? It seems like they should have something for older students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or those who don't have a "group" of on-campus friends for whatever reason. I lived in such an apartment with two different roommates with whom I was randomly matched and both of them worked out well. Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by yourself? Arielle On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Justin, > > The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on > Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged > another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next > year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to > her. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that will >> reach a lot of people. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Hi all, >> >> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >> >> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >> campus. >> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups are >> especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of their >> housing >> is apartments and houses around campus. >> >> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the time >> we >> thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year and things >> were going really well. Just over break one of the girls decided that >> she >> was going to transfer to a school closer to home for personal reasons, >> and >> the other has said for a while that since she lives fairly close she is >> planning on commuting for junior year. >> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >> apartment >> together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in my >> fraternity >> house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >> >> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students can >> be >> pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own little group >> because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early on in freshman >> year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; I am friendly with >> a >> lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to anyone other than my two >> friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around >> other people. It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even >> though >> I was a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their >> way >> to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >> halfway >> through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really >> know >> me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by >> with >> us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them to really >> get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will not have >> someone >> to be in a group with me for housing. >> >> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot live >> in >> the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore students. >> I >> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. A >> lot >> of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I would need at >> least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is almost nothing >> available for two people, and there appear to be no options available for >> just one in case I would need to just look for myself. >> >> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the >> problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend a >> lot >> of time around the same very small group of people. There are about 100 >> students in the department, and these are the people I am always around. >> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two friends >> that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more gen ed >> courses >> this semester which could help with getting out of the familiar social >> circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm not sure how much >> time >> there will really be for socializing. >> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of >> them >> sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a large >> number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester again. I >> really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way for me to >> branch >> out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will have the extra time >> to >> devote to it. The added component is that a lot of the clubs that caught >> my >> interest were social justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers >> Big >> Sisters, so if I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would >> also >> be letting down someone else. >> >> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >> housing, >> but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go through them. >> Of >> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. >> >> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had housing >> concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What were some >> things which worked for you? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:25:39 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:25:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <001e01cf0d70$94de2b40$be9a81c0$@gmail.com> Maybe other students with disabilities are in the same situation. Instead of having the disability office force a dorm space, then try to find some other students with disabilities to live with if your first efforts don't work. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. Hi Justin, The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to her. On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that > will reach a lot of people. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Hi all, > > Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. > > I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on > campus. > Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the > university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups > are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of > their housing is apartments and houses around campus. > > Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the > time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year > and things were going really well. Just over break one of the girls > decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to home for > personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that since she > lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior year. > Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an > apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in > my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. > > One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students > can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own > little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early > on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; > I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to > anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted > though, and love being around other people. It was so easy to > socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little shy in the > beginning other people would go out of their way to be friendly and > welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm halfway through > sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really know > me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by > with us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them > to really get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will > not have someone to be in a group with me for housing. > > I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot > live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore > students. I would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't > going to work. A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or > tripples, so I would need at least 2 more people to get into one of > those. There is almost nothing available for two people, and there > appear to be no options available for just one in case I would need to just look for myself. > > I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the > problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend > a lot of time around the same very small group of people. There are > about 100 students in the department, and these are the people I am > always around. > They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two > friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more > gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the > familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm > not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. > I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of > them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a > large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester > again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way > for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will > have the extra time to devote to it. The added component is that a > lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social justice groups > like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if I joined one of > these groups and had to back out I would also be letting down someone > else. > > I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure > housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go > through them. Of course, if it comes down to just needing a place to > sleep, I will do it. > > Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had > housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What > were some things which worked for you? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:32:32 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 12:32:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: <001e01cf0d70$94de2b40$be9a81c0$@gmail.com> References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <001e01cf0d70$94de2b40$be9a81c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: It's possible but I don't think this is a disability issue at all. Kaiti's situation could have happened to anyone whose two closest friends moved out of campus housing. There are probably lots of folks in a similar situation and the trick is just finding them. Arielle On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > Maybe other students with disabilities are in the same situation. Instead > of > having the disability office force a dorm space, then try to find some > other > students with disabilities to live with if your first efforts don't work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Hi Justin, > > The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on > Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged another > girl > who said she was looking for potential roommates for next year, but she has > not responded in the few days since I got back to her. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >> will reach a lot of people. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Hi all, >> >> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >> >> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >> campus. >> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >> >> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this year >> and things were going really well. Just over break one of the girls >> decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to home for >> personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that since she >> lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior year. >> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live in >> my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >> >> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones early >> on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior year; >> I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly close to >> anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty extroverted >> though, and love being around other people. It was so easy to >> socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little shy in the >> beginning other people would go out of their way to be friendly and >> welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm halfway through >> sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do not really know >> me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a half has gone by >> with us just being acquaintances that it might be difficult for them >> to really get to know me. The second issue is of course that I will >> not have someone to be in a group with me for housing. >> >> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore >> students. I would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't >> going to work. A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or >> tripples, so I would need at least 2 more people to get into one of >> those. There is almost nothing available for two people, and there >> appear to be no options available for just one in case I would need to > just look for myself. >> >> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the >> problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I spend >> a lot of time around the same very small group of people. There are >> about 100 students in the department, and these are the people I am >> always around. >> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the >> familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm >> not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot of >> them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually take a >> large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next semester >> again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a good way >> for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure if I will >> have the extra time to devote to it. The added component is that a >> lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social justice groups >> like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if I joined one of >> these groups and had to back out I would also be letting down someone >> else. >> >> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >> through them. Of course, if it comes down to just needing a place to >> sleep, I will do it. >> >> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >> were some things which worked for you? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:36:39 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:36:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <001e01cf0d70$94de2b40$be9a81c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101cf0d72$1e3eaad0$5abc0070$@gmail.com> Agreed; but if one gets truly desperate for a place to sleep, do what you have to do. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:33 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. It's possible but I don't think this is a disability issue at all. Kaiti's situation could have happened to anyone whose two closest friends moved out of campus housing. There are probably lots of folks in a similar situation and the trick is just finding them. Arielle On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > Maybe other students with disabilities are in the same situation. > Instead of having the disability office force a dorm space, then try > to find some other students with disabilities to live with if your > first efforts don't work. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti > Shelton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:00 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Hi Justin, > > The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on > Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged > another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next > year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to > her. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >> will reach a lot of people. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Hi all, >> >> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >> >> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >> campus. >> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >> >> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior year. >> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >> >> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior >> year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly >> close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty >> extroverted though, and love being around other people. It was so >> easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little >> shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way to be >> friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a >> half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for housing. >> >> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore >> students. I would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't >> going to work. A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or >> tripples, so I would need at least 2 more people to get into one of >> those. There is almost nothing available for two people, and there >> appear to be no options available for just one in case I would need >> to > just look for myself. >> >> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the >> problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >> people I am always around. >> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the >> familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm >> not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >> letting down someone else. >> >> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >> through them. Of course, if it comes down to just needing a place to >> sleep, I will do it. >> >> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >> were some things which worked for you? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> % >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:38:52 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:38:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> I like the transfer idea. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be randomly matched with roommates? It seems like they should have something for older students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or those who don't have a "group" of on-campus friends for whatever reason. I lived in such an apartment with two different roommates with whom I was randomly matched and both of them worked out well. Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by yourself? Arielle On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi Justin, > > The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on > Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged > another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next > year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to > her. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >> will reach a lot of people. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >> Shelton >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Hi all, >> >> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >> >> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >> campus. >> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >> >> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior >> year. >> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >> >> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior >> year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly >> close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty >> extroverted though, and love being around other people. It was so >> easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little >> shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way to be >> friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a >> half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for >> housing. >> >> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore >> students. >> I >> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. >> A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I >> would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is >> almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be no >> options available for just one in case I would need to just look for >> myself. >> >> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the >> problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >> people I am always around. >> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the >> familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm >> not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >> letting down someone else. >> >> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >> through them. >> Of >> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. >> >> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >> were some things which worked for you? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >> 40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> %40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 19:45:24 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 14:45:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Wanting To Meet More Blind People From Florida In-Reply-To: <52cef1ac.2385310a.5bb9.3edc@mx.google.com> References: <52cef1ac.2385310a.5bb9.3edc@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Perhaps you could ask the Florida Association of Blind Students (FABS) or the NFB of Florida. I believe both have lists on the NFBNet server. HTH, Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 9, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > > Dear Nabs Members, > > I hope you are all doing well. Can some members from Florida please email me off list? I'd really like to meet more of you from this list. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 20:15:35 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 15:15:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I'm still looking into the random match thing. I know that housing reserves the right to put students where there is an empty bed, but I'm not sure of the process to make them aware of that. We use this thing called a "Housing Lottery." Groups form in late January and early February, then every group is assigned a lottery number which determines when the group can pick the place they want to live in on this online platform. I know there is a period where groups who don't find a suitable arrangement can regroup and add members, but I'm really just unsure of how all this works. I have asked if anyone from my class could tell me about it on the same posts I've used to mention that I am roommate-less. I'm really behind the 8-ball since my group chose a housing option which was special interest housing last year, so we didn't have to do the lottery when everyone else figured out how to do it as freshmen. I have emailed someone from housing to see if I could meet with someone to go over my options, and to see if they can explain some of the processes to me so I know what will be going on. I really only want to go through disability services if I absolutely have to, and did see some things about their process. Basically, I would be in a dorm room and most likely by myself. This is really not an ideal situation as the majority of my classes are in a building that is on the opposite side of campus from the dorms. I was also hoping to remain in an apartment or something with a kitchen so that I could continue to work on my cooking skills, and be a little closer to that side of campus. I'm also looking into independently owned apartments off-campus. The thing that worries me is that the area surrounding campus isn't great, and I don't want to go too far away because I would have to walk there by myself. Since I'm in a campus apartment now I can use a student escort service, but if I get an apartment outside the limits of campus I will not be able to use that to get home in the dark. There is a single apartment a friend of mine lived in last semester, but it's right by a bar/nightclub that is kind of shadey, and I don't know hat that would be the best idea for me either. However, that particular apartment is still within the escort service's limits, so it is better than going off campus. On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > I like the transfer idea. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be randomly > matched with roommates? It seems like they should have something for older > students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or those who don't have a > "group" of on-campus friends for whatever reason. I lived in such an > apartment with two different roommates with whom I was randomly matched and > both of them worked out well. > Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by > yourself? > Arielle > > On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on >> Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged >> another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for next >> year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back to >> her. >> >> On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >>> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >>> will reach a lot of people. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton >>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >>> >>> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >>> campus. >>> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >>> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >>> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >>> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >>> >>> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >>> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >>> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >>> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >>> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >>> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior >>> year. >>> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >>> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >>> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >>> >>> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >>> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >>> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >>> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for junior >>> year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't particularly >>> close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. I'm pretty >>> extroverted though, and love being around other people. It was so >>> easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was a little >>> shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way to be >>> friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >>> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >>> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and a >>> half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >>> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >>> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for >>> housing. >>> >>> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >>> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and sophomore >>> students. >>> I >>> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. >>> A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I >>> would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There is >>> almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be no >>> options available for just one in case I would need to just look for >>> myself. >>> >>> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of the >>> problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >>> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >>> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >>> people I am always around. >>> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >>> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >>> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of the >>> familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to class I'm >>> not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >>> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >>> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >>> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >>> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >>> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >>> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >>> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >>> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >>> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >>> letting down someone else. >>> >>> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >>> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >>> through them. >>> Of >>> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. >>> >>> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >>> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >>> were some things which worked for you? >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2% >>> 40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 21:06:49 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 16:06:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002101cf0d7e$b72947d0$257bd770$@gmail.com> Good luck; I like your approach so far. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. Hi, I'm still looking into the random match thing. I know that housing reserves the right to put students where there is an empty bed, but I'm not sure of the process to make them aware of that. We use this thing called a "Housing Lottery." Groups form in late January and early February, then every group is assigned a lottery number which determines when the group can pick the place they want to live in on this online platform. I know there is a period where groups who don't find a suitable arrangement can regroup and add members, but I'm really just unsure of how all this works. I have asked if anyone from my class could tell me about it on the same posts I've used to mention that I am roommate-less. I'm really behind the 8-ball since my group chose a housing option which was special interest housing last year, so we didn't have to do the lottery when everyone else figured out how to do it as freshmen. I have emailed someone from housing to see if I could meet with someone to go over my options, and to see if they can explain some of the processes to me so I know what will be going on. I really only want to go through disability services if I absolutely have to, and did see some things about their process. Basically, I would be in a dorm room and most likely by myself. This is really not an ideal situation as the majority of my classes are in a building that is on the opposite side of campus from the dorms. I was also hoping to remain in an apartment or something with a kitchen so that I could continue to work on my cooking skills, and be a little closer to that side of campus. I'm also looking into independently owned apartments off-campus. The thing that worries me is that the area surrounding campus isn't great, and I don't want to go too far away because I would have to walk there by myself. Since I'm in a campus apartment now I can use a student escort service, but if I get an apartment outside the limits of campus I will not be able to use that to get home in the dark. There is a single apartment a friend of mine lived in last semester, but it's right by a bar/nightclub that is kind of shadey, and I don't know hat that would be the best idea for me either. However, that particular apartment is still within the escort service's limits, so it is better than going off campus. On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > I like the transfer idea. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be > randomly matched with roommates? It seems like they should have > something for older students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or > those who don't have a "group" of on-campus friends for whatever > reason. I lived in such an apartment with two different roommates with > whom I was randomly matched and both of them worked out well. > Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by > yourself? > Arielle > > On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >> Hi Justin, >> >> The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on >> Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged >> another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for >> next year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back >> to her. >> >> On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >>> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >>> will reach a lot of people. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>> Shelton >>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >>> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >>> >>> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >>> campus. >>> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >>> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >>> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >>> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >>> >>> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >>> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >>> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >>> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >>> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >>> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior >>> year. >>> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >>> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >>> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >>> >>> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >>> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >>> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >>> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for >>> junior year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't >>> particularly close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. >>> I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around other people. >>> It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was >>> a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way >>> to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >>> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >>> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and >>> a half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >>> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >>> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for >>> housing. >>> >>> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >>> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and >>> sophomore students. >>> I >>> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. >>> A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I >>> would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There >>> is almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be >>> no options available for just one in case I would need to just look >>> for myself. >>> >>> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of >>> the problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >>> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >>> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >>> people I am always around. >>> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >>> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >>> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of >>> the familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to >>> class I'm not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >>> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >>> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >>> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >>> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >>> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >>> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >>> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >>> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >>> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >>> letting down someone else. >>> >>> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >>> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >>> through them. >>> Of >>> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do it. >>> >>> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >>> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >>> were some things which worked for you? >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >>> % >>> 40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>> 4 >>> %40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% > 40gmail.com > -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 9 23:24:00 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 18:24:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: <002101cf0d7e$b72947d0$257bd770$@gmail.com> References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> <002101cf0d7e$b72947d0$257bd770$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks; I'm just trying to pull all the resources I can. On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: > Good luck; I like your approach so far. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. > > Hi, > > I'm still looking into the random match thing. I know that housing > reserves > the right to put students where there is an empty bed, but I'm not sure of > the process to make them aware of that. > > We use this thing called a "Housing Lottery." Groups form in late January > and early February, then every group is assigned a lottery number which > determines when the group can pick the place they want to live in on this > online platform. I know there is a period where groups who don't find a > suitable arrangement can regroup and add members, but I'm really just > unsure > of how all this works. I have asked if anyone from my class could tell me > about it on the same posts I've used to mention that I am roommate-less. > I'm really behind the 8-ball since my group chose a housing option which > was > special interest housing last year, so we didn't have to do the lottery > when > everyone else figured out how to do it as freshmen. > > I have emailed someone from housing to see if I could meet with someone to > go over my options, and to see if they can explain some of the processes to > me so I know what will be going on. I really only want to go through > disability services if I absolutely have to, and did see some things about > their process. Basically, I would be in a dorm room and most likely by > myself. This is really not an ideal situation as the majority of my > classes > are in a building that is on the opposite side of campus from the dorms. I > was also hoping to remain in an apartment or something with a kitchen so > that I could continue to work on my cooking skills, and be a little closer > to that side of campus. > > I'm also looking into independently owned apartments off-campus. The thing > that worries me is that the area surrounding campus isn't great, and I > don't > want to go too far away because I would have to walk there by myself. > Since > I'm in a campus apartment now I can use a student escort service, but if I > get an apartment outside the limits of campus I will not be able to use > that > to get home in the dark. There is a single apartment a friend of mine > lived > in last semester, but it's right by a bar/nightclub that is kind of shadey, > and I don't know hat that would be the best idea for me either. However, > that particular apartment is still within the escort service's limits, so > it > is better than going off campus. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> I like the transfer idea. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >> Silverman >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be >> randomly matched with roommates? It seems like they should have >> something for older students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or >> those who don't have a "group" of on-campus friends for whatever >> reason. I lived in such an apartment with two different roommates with >> whom I was randomly matched and both of them worked out well. >> Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by >> yourself? >> Arielle >> >> On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>> Hi Justin, >>> >>> The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on >>> Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged >>> another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for >>> next year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back >>> to her. >>> >>> On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >>>> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >>>> will reach a lot of people. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>>> Shelton >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >>>> >>>> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >>>> campus. >>>> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >>>> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >>>> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >>>> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >>>> >>>> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >>>> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >>>> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >>>> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >>>> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >>>> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior >>>> year. >>>> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >>>> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >>>> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >>>> >>>> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >>>> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >>>> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >>>> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for >>>> junior year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't >>>> particularly close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. >>>> I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around other people. >>>> It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was >>>> a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way >>>> to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >>>> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >>>> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and >>>> a half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >>>> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >>>> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for >>>> housing. >>>> >>>> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >>>> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and >>>> sophomore students. >>>> I >>>> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. >>>> A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I >>>> would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There >>>> is almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be >>>> no options available for just one in case I would need to just look >>>> for myself. >>>> >>>> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of >>>> the problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >>>> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >>>> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >>>> people I am always around. >>>> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >>>> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >>>> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of >>>> the familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to >>>> class I'm not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >>>> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >>>> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >>>> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >>>> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >>>> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >>>> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >>>> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >>>> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >>>> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >>>> letting down someone else. >>>> >>>> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >>>> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >>>> through them. >>>> Of >>>> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do >>>> it. >>>> >>>> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >>>> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >>>> were some things which worked for you? >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >>>> % >>>> 40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>>> 4 >>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >> 40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 9 23:40:17 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 18:40:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. In-Reply-To: References: <002101cf0d67$d3e11590$7ba340b0$@gmail.com> <000201cf0d72$6df30670$49d91350$@gmail.com> <002101cf0d7e$b72947d0$257bd770$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8651B7DB-A52C-4413-A051-87B6CE354991@icloud.com> I am interested in the History Project. Sent from my iPad On Jan 9, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Thanks; I'm just trying to pull all the resources I can. > > On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >> Good luck; I like your approach so far. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton >> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 3:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >> >> Hi, >> >> I'm still looking into the random match thing. I know that housing >> reserves >> the right to put students where there is an empty bed, but I'm not sure of >> the process to make them aware of that. >> >> We use this thing called a "Housing Lottery." Groups form in late January >> and early February, then every group is assigned a lottery number which >> determines when the group can pick the place they want to live in on this >> online platform. I know there is a period where groups who don't find a >> suitable arrangement can regroup and add members, but I'm really just >> unsure >> of how all this works. I have asked if anyone from my class could tell me >> about it on the same posts I've used to mention that I am roommate-less. >> I'm really behind the 8-ball since my group chose a housing option which >> was >> special interest housing last year, so we didn't have to do the lottery >> when >> everyone else figured out how to do it as freshmen. >> >> I have emailed someone from housing to see if I could meet with someone to >> go over my options, and to see if they can explain some of the processes to >> me so I know what will be going on. I really only want to go through >> disability services if I absolutely have to, and did see some things about >> their process. Basically, I would be in a dorm room and most likely by >> myself. This is really not an ideal situation as the majority of my >> classes >> are in a building that is on the opposite side of campus from the dorms. I >> was also hoping to remain in an apartment or something with a kitchen so >> that I could continue to work on my cooking skills, and be a little closer >> to that side of campus. >> >> I'm also looking into independently owned apartments off-campus. The thing >> that worries me is that the area surrounding campus isn't great, and I >> don't >> want to go too far away because I would have to walk there by myself. >> Since >> I'm in a campus apartment now I can use a student escort service, but if I >> get an apartment outside the limits of campus I will not be able to use >> that >> to get home in the dark. There is a single apartment a friend of mine >> lived >> in last semester, but it's right by a bar/nightclub that is kind of shadey, >> and I don't know hat that would be the best idea for me either. However, >> that particular apartment is still within the escort service's limits, so >> it >> is better than going off campus. >> >> On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >>> I like the transfer idea. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle >>> Silverman >>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 2:23 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >>> >>> Does the university sponsor any apartments where students can be >>> randomly matched with roommates? It seems like they should have >>> something for older students who transfer in and don't know anyone, or >>> those who don't have a "group" of on-campus friends for whatever >>> reason. I lived in such an apartment with two different roommates with >>> whom I was randomly matched and both of them worked out well. >>> Or could you try just renting a one-bedroom apartment off campus by >>> yourself? >>> Arielle >>> >>> On 1/9/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: >>>> Hi Justin, >>>> >>>> The bulletin board thing may work. I have put several posts out on >>>> Facebook, including on in my class group. I have also messaged >>>> another girl who said she was looking for potential roommates for >>>> next year, but she has not responded in the few days since I got back >>>> to her. >>>> >>>> On 1/9/14, justin williams wrote: >>>>> Maybe try a bulletin board or facebook announcement. Something that >>>>> will reach a lot of people. >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti >>>>> Shelton >>>>> Sent: Thursday, January 09, 2014 12:14 PM >>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns. >>>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Please let me know if you have any suggestions on this. >>>>> >>>>> I go to a fairly small university, where 90% of the students live on >>>>> campus. >>>>> Figuring out housing for the next year can be very complex, as the >>>>> university pushes students to have groups put together. The groups >>>>> are especially important for upperclassmen to have, since a lot of >>>>> their housing is apartments and houses around campus. >>>>> >>>>> Two friends and I formed a group of 3 in freshman year, and at the >>>>> time we thought we would stay together. We got an apartment this >>>>> year and things were going really well. Just over break one of the >>>>> girls decided that she was going to transfer to a school closer to >>>>> home for personal reasons, and the other has said for a while that >>>>> since she lives fairly close she is planning on commuting for junior >>>>> year. >>>>> Therefore, the plan of my friend who transfered and I getting an >>>>> apartment together has fallen through. I have also applied to live >>>>> in my fraternity house, but unfortunately I was not accepted. >>>>> >>>>> One of the things I've noticed about my school is that the students >>>>> can be pretty cliquey. My two friends and I sort of had our own >>>>> little group because we didn't fall in to any of the larger ones >>>>> early on in freshman year. I now see two problems forming for >>>>> junior year; I am friendly with a lot of people, but wasn't >>>>> particularly close to anyone other than my two friends on campus. >>>>> I'm pretty extroverted though, and love being around other people. >>>>> It was so easy to socialize as a freshman because even though I was >>>>> a little shy in the beginning other people would go out of their way >>>>> to be friendly and welcoming. It seems kind of awkward now that I'm >>>>> halfway through sophomore year. A lot of those I am not close to do >>>>> not really know me that well, but I'm worried that since a year and >>>>> a half has gone by with us just being acquaintances that it might be >>>>> difficult for them to really get to know me. The second issue is of >>>>> course that I will not have someone to be in a group with me for >>>>> housing. >>>>> >>>>> I have looked at the housing web site. Juniors and seniors cannot >>>>> live in the dorms because they're reserved for freshman and >>>>> sophomore students. >>>>> I >>>>> would use a dorm as a fall back plan, but that isn't going to work. >>>>> A lot of the apartment suites are either quads or tripples, so I >>>>> would need at least 2 more people to get into one of those. There >>>>> is almost nothing available for two people, and there appear to be >>>>> no options available for just one in case I would need to just look >>>>> for myself. >>>>> >>>>> I've come up with a few obvious ways to try to fix this; A lot of >>>>> the problem that I'm sure other music majors can attest to is that I >>>>> spend a lot of time around the same very small group of people. >>>>> There are about 100 students in the department, and these are the >>>>> people I am always around. >>>>> They have already grouped up, and that was also how I met my two >>>>> friends that I lived with last semester. I will be taking some more >>>>> gen ed courses this semester which could help with getting out of >>>>> the familiar social circles, but since I'm going to be going to >>>>> class I'm not sure how much time there will really be for socializing. >>>>> I have looked up some clubs which might be good to join, and a lot >>>>> of them sound like things I will really enjoy. However, I usually >>>>> take a large number of credits, and have a lot on my plate for next >>>>> semester again. I really do feel like joining a new club would be a >>>>> good way for me to branch out and meet new people, but I am not sure >>>>> if I will have the extra time to devote to it. The added component >>>>> is that a lot of the clubs that caught my interest were social >>>>> justice groups like Best Buddies and Big Brothers Big Sisters, so if >>>>> I joined one of these groups and had to back out I would also be >>>>> letting down someone else. >>>>> >>>>> I know that if all else fails the disability office can help secure >>>>> housing, but I'm hoping to get a group together and not have to go >>>>> through them. >>>>> Of >>>>> course, if it comes down to just needing a place to sleep, I will do >>>>> it. >>>>> >>>>> Has anyone ever been in a similar situation where either you had >>>>> housing concerns or felt like you really needed to branch out? What >>>>> were some things which worked for you? >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Kaiti >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2 >>>>> % >>>>> 40gmail >>>>> .com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet10 >>>>> 4 >>>>> %40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Kaiti >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >>>> com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104% >>> 40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 02:48:06 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 9 Jan 2014 21:48:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Powerpoints Recorded Lectures on Blackboard Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P>S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and stoping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks again for all your time! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 03:34:24 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Thu, 09 Jan 2014 19:34:24 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high school (was: Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52cf6a4a.488b440a.260a.ffffbd38@mx.google.com> Here is what I found from NLS. I need the tables though ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" From lizzym0827 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 15:11:23 2014 From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (lizzy) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 10:11:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Campus Housing and social concerns Message-ID: <52d00dce.a953310a.4fd0.ffff8afa@mx.google.com> Hi Kaiti, Since there are some apartments available with four people, why don't you look for a group of three that you can join. I'm not sure how the people in your music department are in terms of friendliness, but at my school we are called the "cult" because of the way we stick together. I prefer to call us a family, but either way we wouldn't willingly leave a member (of the band, chorus or musical) out. If it's still early, I'm sure there are groups of two in similar situations as yourself, so maybe you could room with them as well. I would first reach out to acquaintances and let them know your situation because they might put you in contact with someone looking for an extra roomie. Good luck, Lizzy From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jan 10 20:07:22 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:07:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class Message-ID: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> Hi all, I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. Look forward to ideas. Ashley From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 10 20:19:43 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:19:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5691532A-76C4-42CB-8381-D19A40B76C90@fuse.net> I don't see not see having an office as an excuse to not be able to have additional discussion. As for the visions, why not ask the ds office if you could have someone like a note taker describe videos? Not sure if that's possible, but was worth throwing throwing out there. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:07 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. > I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. > > I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. > > The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. > I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? > > Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? > I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. > > How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. > Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. > > I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From mistydbradley at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 20:42:11 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 15:42:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <970CA0D1116D4177AC55B9006517EFA1@MistyBradleyPC> Hi, In the past, I had a sociology instructor who would send me links to written transcripts of the videos that could be found online. A lot of documentaries have transcripts that can be found online, as long as you know the title and the station where it was broadcasted. Not all videos have this, but if the professor knew it was available, she would email me a link to both the video and transcript if it was available. Maybe you could ask the professor or instructor if she could do this or at least provide you with the title and producer of the videos ahead of time so you can search for a transcript. As for powerpoints, my instructors have usually either posted them on Blackboard or Moodle for all students, or if they do not do that, I have asked them to email me a copy of the powerpoints that they use in class so that I can turn them into an accessible format. If you want to read through a powerpoint presentation with JAWS, you can usually just open it in Microsoft Powerpoint and hit F5 to make it a slide show, and then Jaws will read the first slide. You can then hit the spacebar key to go to each slide and have JAWS read it, and then it will exit the slide show at the end of the slides. You can also turn the Powerpoint into a PDF file by selecting pdf in the file types in the save as dialogue box. I do this a lot when I don't want to have to deal with the powerpoint program itself. I open the file up in Microsoft Powerpoint, and then I go to "Save As" and tab to the file type box and down arrow until I hear PDF and press enter to select it, and then I hit enter again, and it saves it. I then close the file and go to the folder where the powerpoint file is, and there will now be two different files with the same name but different extensions: one is a powerpoint .ppt or .pptx extension, and the other is a .pdf extension. Open the .pdf extension file, and it will be the powerpoint but in the pdf format, so it will be like reading any other pdf file and will have the text of the powerpoint in it. It will also contain the graphics or pictures found in the powerpoint, but they generally don't get in the way of JAWS reading the text and usually only take up one line and will just say graphic and then a number when JAWS comes across them. I have converted many of my powerpoints from professors to pdf in this way, since it is quicker for me to read straight through a pdf file than it is having to deal with slides and powerpoints that sometimes won't read well with jaws. I have used Blackboard in the past, but it has been a few years, so I am not sure what it is like now, because my current school uses Moodle rather than Blackboard. When I did use Blackboard, it was frustrating but doable, but I heard that it has become more accessible since then. You could maybe try it out, and then if you have any problems with the discussions, you could notify your professor or the disability services office. Perhaps your professor will be flexible enough to allow you to email the discussions and assignments to her if Blackboard is inaccessible. I have also done this with professors in the past. I just email them and explain that the Blackboard or whatever platform I am using to upload an assignment or forum is not accessible and explain that I did try to upload the assignment or do a discussion forum but could not submit it due to inaccessability. It is good to try to do it through Blackboard first though, so you can show that you at least tried to submit it there, as usually professors and instructors can view logs of each student's activity on Blackboard, so if you let them know that you tried doing it that way, they will see that you tried and honestly could not do it with your screen reader. Also, if you get accomodations through the Disability Services office, they can even put in your accomodations that you will need to email your assignments or have an alternate method of submitting them if Blackboard is not accessible, so maybe this could be an actual accomodation for you that can be put in your accomodation letter, so the professor could then make an exception about submitting things on Blackboard for you. I hope this helps, and I hope it makes sense! Misty -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class Hi all, I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. Look forward to ideas. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From emilypennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 10 21:02:32 2014 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:02:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Hi, Ashley. Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to see in particular. My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. Take care, Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business > class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and > something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for > the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have > a liberal studies degree. > I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. > > I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In > the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard > discussions has posed a big problem. > > The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many > teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case > studies, and videos. > I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos > are critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your > experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with > them? > > Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? > I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the > business organization development class too. > > How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor > questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she > already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and > furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the > idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her > office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and > round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an > understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos > extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer > my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me > after class. > Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full > time, and had office on campus. > > I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing > professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jan 10 21:22:20 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:22:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <5691532A-76C4-42CB-8381-D19A40B76C90@fuse.net> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <5691532A-76C4-42CB-8381-D19A40B76C90@fuse.net> Message-ID: <5C114E31D401425E8D758C8C4E33A8BC@OwnerPC> Well, it depends on how flexible the professor is. some adjunct professors leave after class, and there is no where to discuss things privately. Sometimes, adjuncts have met me in empty classrooms though. Without an office, it does make it harder to meet. But its doable, if the professor is flexible. I won't have a notetaker. -----Original Message----- From: Lillie Pennington Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:19 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class I don't see not see having an office as an excuse to not be able to have additional discussion. As for the visions, why not ask the ds office if you could have someone like a note taker describe videos? Not sure if that's possible, but was worth throwing throwing out there. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 10, 2014, at 3:07 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business > class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and > something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for > the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have > a liberal studies degree. > I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. > > I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In > the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard > discussions has posed a big problem. > > The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many > teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case > studies, and videos. > I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos > are critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your > experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with > them? > > Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? > I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the > business organization development class too. > > How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor > questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she > already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and > furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the > idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her > office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and > round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an > understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos > extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer > my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me > after class. > Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full > time, and had office on campus. > > I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing > professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 10 21:50:39 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 16:50:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Message-ID: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks again for all your time! From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 11 00:03:53 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:03:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: Hi Emily, Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. I don't think the professor will work with me. I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch outside class? End question. I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was not but that was a few years back. The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I know. I don't think I should work with someone like this. I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and bother her. Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; students do that and fail to wait for a response. Here is the excerpt. Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there is often not a great deal of lead time. end note. Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. Okay done ranting. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class Hi, Ashley. Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to see in particular. My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. Take care, Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business > class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and > something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for > the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have > a liberal studies degree. > I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. > > I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In > the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard > discussions has posed a big problem. > > The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many > teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case > studies, and videos. > I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos > are critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your > experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with > them? > > Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? > I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the > business organization development class too. > > How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor > questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she > already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and > furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the > idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her > office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and > round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an > understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos > extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer > my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me > after class. > Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full > time, and had office on campus. > > I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing > professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 11 00:10:22 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 19:10:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <7041B8B4-6207-4774-A98B-D5403DF2B955@icloud.com> I am not in college, but I agree with you! Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2014, at 7:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, > and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at > all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with > PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the > videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there > were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly > discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and > reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing > pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to > reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to > see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although > I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never > had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to > upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, > and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste > the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this > helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > >> Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. >> >> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From sgermano at asu.edu Sat Jan 11 00:11:55 2014 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 17:11:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: Personally I would speak to disabled students services and have them let the professor know that their classes need to be accessible. Also, even if you don't take the class I believe Disabled Student Services needs to let this person know that they do need to spend the time to make sure things are set up. If that means making a phone call or coming up to campus to meet a student then they need to do it. I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to provide the info I need before class starts. Suzanne On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor > I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. > I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only > to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would > not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an > alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could > not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the > videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material > another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch > outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was > not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call > students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, > and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not > see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I > could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only > wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. > also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and > bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; > students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I > provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on > campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of > your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate > for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute > if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's > wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes > for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, > as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. > There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I > have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there > is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. > Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her > number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it > means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at > all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with > PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the > videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there > were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly > discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and > reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing > pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to > reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to > see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although > I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never > had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to > upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, > and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste > the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this > helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" < > bookwormahb at earthlink.net> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > > Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >> class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and >> something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the >> work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a >> liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In >> the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions >> has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many >> teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case >> studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos >> are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with >> them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with >> the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she >> already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and >> furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the >> idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her >> office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and >> round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an >> understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos >> extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my >> questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after >> class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >> time, and had office on campus. >> >> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >> professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> emilypennington%40fuse.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From emilypennington at fuse.net Sat Jan 11 01:18:51 2014 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:18:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC><66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <4B2B2C5C77FD4A35A68B7C5F7EDA6092@EmilyDesktopPC> Hi, Ashley. I'm at Xavier University in my hometown of Cincinnati, and I'm an Accounting major. As I read that email, I honestly wanted to kick something; that's how disgusted I was. You're right: she isn't required to give out her number or have an office, but a good professor would do at least some of those things. I hope there's a better, more open-minded marketing professor. At least you have options, because in high school, when I came across a close-minded, unreasonable teacher (Calculus, in my case), I didn't have many options open to me. Best of luck, Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:03 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor > I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. > I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only > to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would > not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an > alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I > could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently > inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the > videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material > another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch > outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was > not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call > students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, > and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not > see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I > could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only > wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. > also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff > and bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; > students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I > provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not > on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency > of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate > for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last > minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's > wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes > for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, > as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. > There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I > have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since > there is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. > Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her > number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it > means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at > all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with > PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the > videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there > were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would > briefly > discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and > reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing > pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to > reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to > see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although > I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. > The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never > had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to > upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, > and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste > the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this > helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > >> Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >> class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, >> and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something >> for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I >> have a liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In >> the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard >> discussions has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many >> teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case >> studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos >> are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with >> them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with >> the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she >> already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and >> furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the >> idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her >> office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and >> round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an >> understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos >> extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer >> my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me >> after class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >> time, and had office on campus. >> >> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >> professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 11 01:21:36 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 20:21:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <4B2B2C5C77FD4A35A68B7C5F7EDA6092@EmilyDesktopPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> <4B2B2C5C77FD4A35A68B7C5F7EDA6092@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <950A001C-5262-4994-8101-626E9D816ECB@icloud.com> I am curious, since I will be going in to high school. What did you do? Sent from my iPad On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Emily Pennington wrote: > Hi, Ashley. > I'm at Xavier University in my hometown of Cincinnati, and I'm an Accounting major. > As I read that email, I honestly wanted to kick something; that's how disgusted I was. You're right: she isn't required to give out her number or have an office, but a good professor would do at least some of those things. I hope there's a better, more open-minded marketing professor. At least you have options, because in high school, when I came across a close-minded, unreasonable teacher (Calculus, in my case), I didn't have many options open to me. > > Best of luck, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:03 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > >> Hi Emily, >> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? >> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. >> >> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. >> >> I don't think the professor will work with me. >> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch outside class? >> End question. >> >> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was not but that was a few years back. >> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, >> and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I know. >> >> I don't think I should work with someone like this. >> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. >> >> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and bother her. >> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; students do that and fail to wait for a response. >> >> Here is the excerpt. >> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. >> >> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. >> >> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there is often not a great deal of lead time. >> >> end note. >> >> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. >> >> Okay done ranting. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >> >> Hi, Ashley. >> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at >> all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with >> PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the >> videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there >> were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly >> discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and >> reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing >> pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to >> reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to >> see in particular. >> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although >> I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The >> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never >> had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to >> upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, >> and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste >> the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. >> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this >> helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. >> >> Take care, >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class >> >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >>> >>> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >>> >>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. >>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >>> >>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. >>> >>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? >>> >>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. >>> >>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >>> >>> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. >>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. >>> >>> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. >>> >>> Look forward to ideas. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 11 02:40:20 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 21:40:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC><66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <35EFFA60CD784FF3A52AFC7DE27D33AD@OwnerPC> Suzanne, I doubt I'll say anything to disability services; they wouldn't do much of anything unless I'm in the class. However, I have thought about reporting her to her assistant dean. She should not prejudge me and should not assume we cannot work things out. She is just not willing to go the extra mile; this is odd because her ratings are fine on rate my professor; so glad I know the other side of her. She ended her email saying her availability was limited and something like "we have had a voluminous exchange of email in the past few days, and this is not possible once the semester begins." We did not have a huge exchange of email, and btw her first email was not even her own words, but rather a copy and pasted exerpt of the syllabus. It did answer my questions about course topics and teaching style, so maybe she felt a short intro of herself and pasting in her course objectives and some expectations she has would suffice Well, this was a good start, but I needed more specifics such as what videos she had and her use of blackboard; I asked knowing these might pose challenges for me and wanted to brainstorm solutions ahead of time and hopefully continue the discussion first day after class. You said, "I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to provide the info I need before class starts." Good advocacy Suzanne! I do the emails for the same reason. Also, most professors email their syllabus to me ahead of time, and that is beneficial because then as students look at it with the professor, I have an idea what they're seeing. Some of them offer to send me their first set of lecture notes too, which I accept. So, given you do this too, I suppose I did nothing wrong and just ran into an unaccomodating professor. Thanks for your thoughts; it validates my ideas. I am off to pick another class. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class Personally I would speak to disabled students services and have them let the professor know that their classes need to be accessible. Also, even if you don't take the class I believe Disabled Student Services needs to let this person know that they do need to spend the time to make sure things are set up. If that means making a phone call or coming up to campus to meet a student then they need to do it. I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to provide the info I need before class starts. Suzanne On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor > I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. > I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only > to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would > not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an > alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I > could > not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the > videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material > another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch > outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was > not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call > students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, > and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not > see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I > could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only > wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. > also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff > and > bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; > students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I > provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not > on > campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of > your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate > for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last > minute > if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's > wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes > for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, > as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. > There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I > have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since > there > is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. > Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her > number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it > means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at > all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with > PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the > videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there > were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would > briefly > discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and > reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing > pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to > reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to > see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although > I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. > The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never > had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to > upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, > and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste > the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this > helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" < > bookwormahb at earthlink.net> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > > Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >> class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, >> and >> something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for >> the >> work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a >> liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In >> the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard >> discussions >> has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many >> teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case >> studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos >> are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with >> them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with >> the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she >> already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and >> furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the >> idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her >> office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and >> round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an >> understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos >> extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer >> my >> questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me >> after >> class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >> time, and had office on campus. >> >> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >> professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> emilypennington%40fuse.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 03:45:15 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:45:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <35EFFA60CD784FF3A52AFC7DE27D33AD@OwnerPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC><66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> <35EFFA60CD784FF3A52AFC7DE27D33AD@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <007c01cf0e7f$8ab09ee0$a011dca0$@gmail.com> Ashley, Find someone to report the professor. The assistant dean would seem fine, but whomever you take your complaint to, make sure you get some sort of action. I'm not talking suspension or dismissal or anything like that, but the professor should know this type of behavior is completely unacceptable, especially for a situation where a student is diligent enough to reach out proactively. An educator of any stripe should welcome that kind of refreshing change for young adults of our generation. Good luck to you. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class Suzanne, I doubt I'll say anything to disability services; they wouldn't do much of anything unless I'm in the class. However, I have thought about reporting her to her assistant dean. She should not prejudge me and should not assume we cannot work things out. She is just not willing to go the extra mile; this is odd because her ratings are fine on rate my professor; so glad I know the other side of her. She ended her email saying her availability was limited and something like "we have had a voluminous exchange of email in the past few days, and this is not possible once the semester begins." We did not have a huge exchange of email, and btw her first email was not even her own words, but rather a copy and pasted exerpt of the syllabus. It did answer my questions about course topics and teaching style, so maybe she felt a short intro of herself and pasting in her course objectives and some expectations she has would suffice Well, this was a good start, but I needed more specifics such as what videos she had and her use of blackboard; I asked knowing these might pose challenges for me and wanted to brainstorm solutions ahead of time and hopefully continue the discussion first day after class. You said, "I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to provide the info I need before class starts." Good advocacy Suzanne! I do the emails for the same reason. Also, most professors email their syllabus to me ahead of time, and that is beneficial because then as students look at it with the professor, I have an idea what they're seeing. Some of them offer to send me their first set of lecture notes too, which I accept. So, given you do this too, I suppose I did nothing wrong and just ran into an unaccomodating professor. Thanks for your thoughts; it validates my ideas. I am off to pick another class. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Suzanne Germano Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class Personally I would speak to disabled students services and have them let the professor know that their classes need to be accessible. Also, even if you don't take the class I believe Disabled Student Services needs to let this person know that they do need to spend the time to make sure things are set up. If that means making a phone call or coming up to campus to meet a student then they need to do it. I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to provide the info I need before class starts. Suzanne On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more > professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. > I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it > only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; > I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have > gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class > knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its > inherriently inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the > videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the > material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies > to watch outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it > was not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not > call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, and > feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not > see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but > I could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only > wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. > also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same > stuff and bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; > students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor > do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I > am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on > the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you > might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be > appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide > at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not > predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not > have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on > the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. > There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. > I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, > since there is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. > Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her > number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it > means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad > at all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured > with PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the > dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or > advertisement), there were some visual things I often missed. However, > my professor would briefly discuss the video afterword, asking the > class what they observed and reiterating what they had seen. It helped > me fill in most of the missing pieces. If your professor shows the > videos in class, you could ask her to reiterate and discuss what went > on -- namely, what she wanted the class to see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, > although I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. > The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and > never had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. > It's easy to upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit > assignments link, and you either upload the file by browsing your > computer or cut and paste the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope > this helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" < > bookwormahb at earthlink.net> > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > > Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >> class. I'm taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume >> builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to >> learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing >> or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I'm hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will >> be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and >> blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as >> many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group >> activities, case studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and >> videos are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal >> with them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same >> with the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. >> she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, >> and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This >> eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in >> person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you >> can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you >> can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I'm just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed >> videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class >> to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, >> she told me after class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >> time, and had office on campus. >> >> I'll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >> professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> emilypennington%40fuse.net >> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 06:48:18 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 01:48:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <007c01cf0e7f$8ab09ee0$a011dca0$@gmail.com> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> <35EFFA60CD784FF3A52AFC7DE27D33AD@OwnerPC> <007c01cf0e7f$8ab09ee0$a011dca0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: You mentioned a few emails back that you " won't have a note taker for the class." Why not? If this is genuinely a class that you want to take, I don't see why an uncooperative professor would prevent you from doing so. After all, you can have disability services hire someone to take notes for you during class. A lot of my professors write notes on the white board as well and I have had to use note takers to take notes for me or I would just ask a classmate what the professor has written. I imagine that if she doesn't have office hours on campus, it would pose a challenge for other students not just you. If they have managed to take the course without the assistance of the professor, I think you can, too. As for the blackboard group discussions/submitting assignments, it is very accessible and it wouldn't be a problem for you to participate. Minh On 1/10/14, Joe wrote: > Ashley, > > Find someone to report the professor. The assistant dean would seem fine, > but whomever you take your complaint to, make sure you get some sort of > action. I'm not talking suspension or dismissal or anything like that, but > the professor should know this type of behavior is completely unacceptable, > especially for a situation where a student is diligent enough to reach out > proactively. An educator of any stripe should welcome that kind of > refreshing change for young adults of our generation. Good luck to you. > > -- > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > Visit my blog: > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Suzanne, > > I doubt I'll say anything to disability services; they wouldn't do much of > anything unless I'm in the class. > However, I have thought about reporting her to her assistant dean. > She should not prejudge me and should not assume we cannot work things out. > > She is just not willing to go the extra mile; this is odd because her > ratings are fine on rate my professor; so glad I know the other side of > her. > > She ended her email saying her availability was limited and something like > "we have had a voluminous exchange of email in the past few days, and this > is not possible once the semester begins." > > We did not have a huge exchange of email, and btw her first email was not > even her own words, but rather a copy and pasted exerpt of the syllabus. It > did answer my questions about course topics and teaching style, so maybe > she felt a short intro of herself and pasting in her course objectives and > some expectations she has would suffice Well, this was a good start, but I > needed more specifics such as what videos she had and her use of > blackboard; > I asked knowing these might pose challenges for me and wanted to brainstorm > solutions ahead of time and hopefully continue the discussion first day > after class. > > You said, > "I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and > let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to > provide the info I need before class starts." > > > Good advocacy Suzanne! I do the emails for the same reason. Also, most > professors email their syllabus to me ahead of time, and that is beneficial > because then as students look at it with the professor, I have an idea what > they're seeing. > Some of them offer to send me their first set of lecture notes too, which I > accept. > So, given you do this too, I suppose I did nothing wrong and just ran into > an unaccomodating professor. > > Thanks for your thoughts; it validates my ideas. > I am off to pick another class. > > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Suzanne Germano > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:11 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Personally I would speak to disabled students services and have them let > the > professor know that their classes need to be accessible. > > Also, even if you don't take the class I believe Disabled Student Services > needs to let this person know that they do need to spend the time to make > sure things are set up. If that means making a phone call or coming up to > campus to meet a student then they need to do it. > > I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and > let > them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to > provide the info I need before class starts. > > Suzanne > > > On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: > >> Hi Emily, >> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? >> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more >> professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. >> >> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer >> knowledge. >> I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it >> only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; >> I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have >> gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class >> knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its >> inherriently inaccessible. >> >> I don't think the professor will work with me. >> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the >> videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the >> material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies >> to watch outside class? >> End question. >> >> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it >> was not but that was a few years back. >> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not >> call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, and >> feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not >> see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but >> I could get copies I know. >> >> I don't think I should work with someone like this. >> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. >> >> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only >> wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. >> also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same >> stuff and bother her. >> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; >> students do that and fail to wait for a response. >> >> Here is the excerpt. >> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor >> do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I >> am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on >> the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you >> might require. >> >> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be >> appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide >> at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not >> predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not >> have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on >> the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. >> >> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. >> There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. >> I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, >> since there is often not a great deal of lead time. >> >> end note. >> >> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. >> Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her >> number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it >> means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. >> >> Okay done ranting. >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >> >> Hi, Ashley. >> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad >> at all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured >> with PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the >> dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or >> advertisement), there were some visual things I often missed. However, >> my professor would briefly discuss the video afterword, asking the >> class what they observed and reiterating what they had seen. It helped >> me fill in most of the missing pieces. If your professor shows the >> videos in class, you could ask her to reiterate and discuss what went >> on -- namely, what she wanted the class to see in particular. >> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, >> although I've been in several other classes in which it has played a >> major > role. >> The >> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and >> never had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. >> It's easy to upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit >> assignments link, and you either upload the file by browsing your >> computer or cut and paste the text of your assignment, depending on what > your teacher prefers. >> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope >> this helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. >> >> Take care, >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" < >> bookwormahb at earthlink.net> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM >> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class >> >> >> Hi all, >>> >>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >>> class. I'm taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume >>> builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to >>> learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing >>> or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >>> >>> I'm hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will >>> be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and >>> blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >>> >>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as >>> many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group >>> activities, case studies, and videos. >>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >>> >>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and >>> videos are critical. >>> >>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >>> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal >>> with them? >>> >>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same >>> with the business organization development class too. >>> >>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >>> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. >>> she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, >>> and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This >>> eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in >>> person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you >>> can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you >>> can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >>> >>> So, I'm just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed >>> videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class >>> to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, >>> she told me after class. >>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >>> time, and had office on campus. >>> >>> I'll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >>> professor. >>> >>> Look forward to ideas. >>> Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >>> emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >>> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sat Jan 11 06:49:15 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Fri, 10 Jan 2014 22:49:15 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just >wanted to tell you that for my Introduction of >Government class my Government Professor has his >recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. >Sometime I find the link to it, but sometimes I >don’t, but when it comes to play the lecture, >I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I >want to stop it, I can’t. Just to let you >know, one of my family members stops the lecture >by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I >know the lecture is somewhere located in Lesson >modules. I just wanted to ask you, do you ever >experience this kind of problem when your >professor puts somekind of Lectures in >Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause >a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just >curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if >you could help me and give me some suggestions >regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. >Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, >I forgot to ask you, do you think I should >access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my >iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would >it be easier in playing and stopping the the >recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I >will really like to know your opinion about >this, since this is my first time using >Blackboard, and since my Professor will always >have his recorded Lectures on Blackboard for >this entire semester! Thanks again for all your >time! >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 07:32:55 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:32:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks again for all your time! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 07:58:55 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 02:58:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com> Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 11:53:58 2014 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 06:53:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <23B4DCB5-FB9E-4916-8E20-0DDB81E9C882@gmail.com> Hi Ashley, It does sound as if this professor is not open to changing her teaching style. Unfortunately this would not only would this frustrate a blind student, many sighted students might find this style problematic. Could it be possible she is saying in a around about way she's not comfortable since she has never had a blind student in her course? I wish you the best and hope you are able to find a professor who is more open-minded. -Anjelina Sent from my iPad > On Jan 10, 2014, at 7:03 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Hi Emily, > Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? > What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. > > As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. > > I don't think the professor will work with me. > I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch outside class? > End question. > > I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was not but that was a few years back. > The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, > and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I know. > > I don't think I should work with someone like this. > I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. > > Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and bother her. > Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; students do that and fail to wait for a response. > > Here is the excerpt. > Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. > > I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. > > I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there is often not a great deal of lead time. > > end note. > > Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. > > Okay done ranting. > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > Hi, Ashley. > Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at > all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with > PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the > videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there > were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly > discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and > reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing > pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to > reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to > see in particular. > My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although > I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The > discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never > had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to > upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, > and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste > the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. > Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this > helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. > > Take care, > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM > Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > > >> Hi all, >> >> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >> >> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >> >> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. >> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >> >> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. >> >> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? >> >> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. >> >> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >> >> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. >> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. >> >> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. >> >> Look forward to ideas. >> Ashley >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sat Jan 11 13:59:53 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 05:59:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140111055350.0635b660@comcast.net> I am sorry that I forgot to mention how I was able to access the video content posted to blackboard. I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty (a sighted person) to locate the pause/play buttons as well as the transcripts of the video content in question. I may be in the same boat this upcoming semester/term, and I may also enlist the aid of a sighted person (Ol'Sighty) if I am unable to uncover how to access this content from a blindness perspective, but I will press the university about the difficulty I am experiencing. Good Luck with your blackboard course! If you find a suitable way to access the blackboard content (video), please pass it along on this list because I am sure there are others, who will probably benefit as much as I will. At 11:32 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, >What do you think I should do about the lecture >videos? What did you do in order to access them? >Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you >that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you >mention regarding in how to play or pause a >Lecture video in this message. I will really >appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with >this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much >and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do >you know how to download Windows Media Player in >an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, >since I actually log in to Blackboard using my >iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded >Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the >video, instead the iPhone show the video as a >WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) >Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 >AM, Robin wrote: > > >I have also experienced the same difficulty with >blackboard as you have described, and I enlisted >the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video >content posted as well as access the transcripts >of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you >wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you >all? I just wanted to tell you that for my >Introduction of Government class my Government >Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures >on Blackboard. Sometime I find the link to it, >but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to >play the lecture, I press enter on it, and it >goes on, but when I want to stop it, I can’t. >Just to let you know, one of my family members >stops the lecture by clicking on it with the >mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere >located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >you, do you ever experience this kind of problem >when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in >Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause >a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just >curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if >you could help me and give me some suggestions >regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. >Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, >I forgot to ask you, do you think I should >access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my >iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would >it be easier in playing and stopping the the >recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I >will really like to know your opinion about >this, since this is my first time using >Blackboard, and since my Professor will always >have his recorded Lectures on Blackboard for >this entire semester! Thanks again for all your >time! >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From emilypennington at fuse.net Sat Jan 11 16:13:57 2014 From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 11:13:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <950A001C-5262-4994-8101-626E9D816ECB@icloud.com> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC><66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC><4B2B2C5C77FD4A35A68B7C5F7EDA6092@EmilyDesktopPC> <950A001C-5262-4994-8101-626E9D816ECB@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi, Mikayla. I took Precalculus my junior year, and I was doing pretty well in the class. I was planning on taking AP Calculus my senior year, because who doesn't want to eliminate that silly college math class if they can? Anyway, my precalc teacher also taught Calc, and she basically did everything under the sun to discourage me from taking the class. With math classes, I had always asked for the notes in advance so I could preview any complicated graphics we would see and get a feel for the concepts. She didn't want to give them to me because she thought I'd teach myself the wrong way. Okay; let's be real here. With everything I was doing that year, I only had time to peruse the notes for scary pictures before class; I wasn't about to teach myself anything. I just wanted to be prepared., Like Ashley's professor, she kept saying that she would often stray from the notes and freehand an example on the board. She said that she wouldn't have time to stop the class and explain what was going on in those instances, and other such things to make it seem like the class would be impossible. Fortunately, there was another teacher who taught Calc, and she was much more accomodating. I must say; that was one of the ugliest IEP meetings my parents and I ever experienced, but the results were worth it. I'm honestly not one for revenge, but I won't deny that I chuckled to myself when I ended up doing just fine in the class. For every uncompromising teacher in high school, I had ten amazing ones. That situation was an anomaly for me, but I know I'm luckier than a lot of people in similar circumstances. Be respectful, but don't let the bad apples push you around and keep you from taking the classes you want to take. Okay; story over. Best of luck in high school! Emily ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikayla Gephart" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:21 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >I am curious, since I will be going in to high school. What did you do? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Emily Pennington > wrote: > >> Hi, Ashley. >> I'm at Xavier University in my hometown of Cincinnati, and I'm an >> Accounting major. >> As I read that email, I honestly wanted to kick something; that's how >> disgusted I was. You're right: she isn't required to give out her number >> or have an office, but a good professor would do at least some of those >> things. I hope there's a better, more open-minded marketing professor. At >> least you have options, because in high school, when I came across a >> close-minded, unreasonable teacher (Calculus, in my case), I didn't have >> many options open to me. >> >> Best of luck, >> Emily >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >> >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:03 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >> >> >>> Hi Emily, >>> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? >>> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more >>> professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. >>> >>> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer >>> knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to >>> take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer >>> simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I >>> may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a >>> class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its >>> inherriently inaccessible. >>> >>> I don't think the professor will work with me. >>> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the >>> videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material >>> another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch >>> outside class? >>> End question. >>> >>> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was >>> not but that was a few years back. >>> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call >>> students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, >>> and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not >>> see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I >>> could get copies I know. >>> >>> I don't think I should work with someone like this. >>> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. >>> >>> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only >>> wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. >>> also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff >>> and bother her. >>> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; >>> students do that and fail to wait for a response. >>> >>> Here is the excerpt. >>> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do >>> I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am >>> not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the >>> frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might >>> require. >>> >>> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate >>> for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last >>> minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. >>> It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared >>> notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom >>> discussions, as I've mentioned before. >>> >>> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. >>> There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I >>> have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since >>> there is often not a great deal of lead time. >>> >>> end note. >>> >>> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded >>> people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give >>> out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even >>> if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. >>> >>> Okay done ranting. >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington >>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >>> >>> Hi, Ashley. >>> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad >>> at >>> all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with >>> PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in >>> the >>> videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there >>> were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would >>> briefly >>> discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and >>> reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing >>> pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her >>> to >>> reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class >>> to >>> see in particular. >>> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, >>> although >>> I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. >>> The >>> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and >>> never >>> had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy >>> to >>> upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments >>> link, >>> and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and >>> paste >>> the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. >>> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope >>> this >>> helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. >>> >>> Take care, >>> Emily >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM >>> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class >>> >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business >>>> class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, >>>> and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something >>>> for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; >>>> I have a liberal studies degree. >>>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >>>> >>>> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. >>>> In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard >>>> discussions has posed a big problem. >>>> >>>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as >>>> many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, >>>> case studies, and videos. >>>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >>>> >>>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and >>>> videos are critical. >>>> >>>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your >>>> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with >>>> them? >>>> >>>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >>>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with >>>> the business organization development class too. >>>> >>>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor >>>> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. >>>> she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, >>>> and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This >>>> eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in >>>> person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you >>>> can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you >>>> can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >>>> >>>> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed >>>> videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class >>>> to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, >>>> she told me after class. >>>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full >>>> time, and had office on campus. >>>> >>>> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing >>>> professor. >>>> >>>> Look forward to ideas. >>>> Ashley >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 17:24:02 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:24:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> <008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Helga, You could also find the link to the video in Blackboard and then press the applications key or right click it. This will bring up a menu, and then you can down arrow to "save target as..." and press enter. This will bring up a dialog box that allows you to save the file to your computer and download it. Once you have it saved on your computer, you can open that file on your computer with Windows Media Player or any other player that you use and can use that player's controls to start and stop the video, and you will also have it on your computer in case you need to look at it later on too. This is usually what I do with files on Blackboard, because when I try to open them in Blackboard, it does not work, so it is easier to download the file to my computer first and then open it with the media player that I use. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have > described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video > content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 17:37:31 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 10:37:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Using links in PowerPoint slides Message-ID: Hi all, For the class I'm teaching this semester, I am using PowerPoint for lectures, and want to include links to YouTube videos so I can play them as part of my lectures. I've inserted the links into my slides but don't know how to get them to play. Is there a way to get links to open automatically during a PowerPoint slide show, or if they have to be activated by mouse click when I'm at the relevant slide, how do I do that with JAWS? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'll be using PowerPoint 2010 with JAWS 14. Thanks! Arielle From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 18:11:31 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:11:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com><008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03D9EAB8BD594C96B052D4BAB5C2A9BE@Helga> Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, can you also rewine or forward the video as much as you want in Windows Media Player? Just curious! And also when you say that your video is save on your computer, do you mean on the Desktop? Just wondering. Hoep to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Helga, You could also find the link to the video in Blackboard and then press the applications key or right click it. This will bring up a menu, and then you can down arrow to "save target as..." and press enter. This will bring up a dialog box that allows you to save the file to your computer and download it. Once you have it saved on your computer, you can open that file on your computer with Windows Media Player or any other player that you use and can use that player's controls to start and stop the video, and you will also have it on your computer in case you need to look at it later on too. This is usually what I do with files on Blackboard, because when I try to open them in Blackboard, it does not work, so it is easier to download the file to my computer first and then open it with the media player that I use. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have > described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video > content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 18:59:12 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:59:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <03D9EAB8BD594C96B052D4BAB5C2A9BE@Helga> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com><008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com> <03D9EAB8BD594C96B052D4BAB5C2A9BE@Helga> Message-ID: <1E67C4E92F42407293C6AF4F5AA555CA@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Helga, Yes, you can rewind and fast forward in Windows Media Player by tabbing to the Seek slider and then using the left and right arrows for rewinding and fast forwarding. You can save the file to your desktop or you can save it in any folder on your computer depending on the location you select in the save as box when you download the file. I have a specific folder in the My Documents folder that is just for my college work and files, and I named it the name of my college, and inside that folder, I have a separate folder for each course that I am taking, so I put any files that are on Blackboard in the folders on my computer that correspond to the course on Blackboard. Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, can you also rewine or forward the video as much as you want in Windows Media Player? Just curious! And also when you say that your video is save on your computer, do you mean on the Desktop? Just wondering. Hoep to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Helga, You could also find the link to the video in Blackboard and then press the applications key or right click it. This will bring up a menu, and then you can down arrow to "save target as..." and press enter. This will bring up a dialog box that allows you to save the file to your computer and download it. Once you have it saved on your computer, you can open that file on your computer with Windows Media Player or any other player that you use and can use that player's controls to start and stop the video, and you will also have it on your computer in case you need to look at it later on too. This is usually what I do with files on Blackboard, because when I try to open them in Blackboard, it does not work, so it is easier to download the file to my computer first and then open it with the media player that I use. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have > described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video > content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 20:32:08 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 12:32:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Using links in PowerPoint slides In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Arielle, I think your question is a good one, and I look forward to seeing the thread. If I have time to Google this before an answer comes out, I will. The one thing I wanted to mention although you may be doing this already is that most sighted people I know cue up all of the videos they want to show in separate internet tabs. So, even if you figure out how to do this with JAWS, glitches can always happen, and you can easily alt-tab to the appropriate window and press the play button. I think they load the videos and press pause since Youtube starts playing them immediately after the link is clicked. Cindy On 1/11/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi all, > > For the class I'm teaching this semester, I am using PowerPoint for > lectures, and want to include links to YouTube videos so I can play > them as part of my lectures. I've inserted the links into my slides > but don't know how to get them to play. Is there a way to get links to > open automatically during a PowerPoint slide show, or if they have to > be activated by mouse click when I'm at the relevant slide, how do I > do that with JAWS? Any help would be greatly appreciated. I'll be > using PowerPoint 2010 with JAWS 14. Thanks! > > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From amieelsabo at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 20:34:53 2014 From: amieelsabo at gmail.com (Amy Sabo) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 13:34:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <014601cf0f0c$963566a0$c2a033e0$@gmail.com> Hello Ashely and all, When I took a marketing class which was many years ago at my community college in Michigan I was able to work with the professor on many things. We didn't have blackboard or things like that we just had to do homework assignments outside of class and, there were tests which were open book and open notes too and, I used a reader and a scribe through the dss office for this. As for your problems email sounds like the only way to communicate with her. But, I think that you are doing the best for this class. Well, that's all for now take care all and, good luck with the class! Hugs, amy -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 1:07 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class Hi all, I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. The professor says she lectures from PowerPoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. But she indicates we use occasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. Look forward to ideas. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/amieelsabo%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 11 20:46:51 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:46:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> <4B2B2C5C77FD4A35A68B7C5F7EDA6092@EmilyDesktopPC> <950A001C-5262-4994-8101-626E9D816ECB@icloud.com> Message-ID: <2FA320A7-87BD-4892-A3A5-38B510F67D3D@icloud.com> Thanks and good job! Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2014, at 11:13 AM, Emily Pennington wrote: > Hi, Mikayla. > I took Precalculus my junior year, and I was doing pretty well in the class. I was planning on taking AP Calculus my senior year, because who doesn't want to eliminate that silly college math class if they can? Anyway, my precalc teacher also taught Calc, and she basically did everything under the sun to discourage me from taking the class. With math classes, I had always asked for the notes in advance so I could preview any complicated graphics we would see and get a feel for the concepts. She didn't want to give them to me because she thought I'd teach myself the wrong way. Okay; let's be real here. With everything I was doing that year, I only had time to peruse the notes for scary pictures before class; I wasn't about to teach myself anything. I just wanted to be prepared., Like Ashley's professor, she kept saying that she would often stray from the notes and freehand an example on the board. She said that she wouldn't have time to stop the class and explain what was going on in those instances, and other such things to make it seem like the class would be impossible. Fortunately, there was another teacher who taught Calc, and she was much more accomodating. I must say; that was one of the ugliest IEP meetings my parents and I ever experienced, but the results were worth it. I'm honestly not one for revenge, but I won't deny that I chuckled to myself when I ended up doing just fine in the class. > For every uncompromising teacher in high school, I had ten amazing ones. That situation was an anomaly for me, but I know I'm luckier than a lot of people in similar circumstances. Be respectful, but don't let the bad apples push you around and keep you from taking the classes you want to take. > Okay; story over. Best of luck in high school! > > Emily > ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikayla Gephart" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:21 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class > > >> I am curious, since I will be going in to high school. What did you do? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Emily Pennington wrote: >> >>> Hi, Ashley. >>> I'm at Xavier University in my hometown of Cincinnati, and I'm an Accounting major. >>> As I read that email, I honestly wanted to kick something; that's how disgusted I was. You're right: she isn't required to give out her number or have an office, but a good professor would do at least some of those things. I hope there's a better, more open-minded marketing professor. At least you have options, because in high school, when I came across a close-minded, unreasonable teacher (Calculus, in my case), I didn't have many options open to me. >>> >>> Best of luck, >>> Emily >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:03 PM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >>> >>> >>>> Hi Emily, >>>> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major? >>>> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding. >>>> >>>> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its inherriently inaccessible. >>>> >>>> I don't think the professor will work with me. >>>> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch outside class? >>>> End question. >>>> >>>> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was not but that was a few years back. >>>> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, >>>> and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I know. >>>> >>>> I don't think I should work with someone like this. >>>> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open. >>>> >>>> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff and bother her. >>>> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; students do that and fail to wait for a response. >>>> >>>> Here is the excerpt. >>>> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might require. >>>> >>>> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before. >>>> >>>> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since there is often not a great deal of lead time. >>>> >>>> end note. >>>> >>>> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible. >>>> >>>> Okay done ranting. >>>> Ashley >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington >>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class >>>> >>>> Hi, Ashley. >>>> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad at >>>> all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with >>>> PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in the >>>> videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there >>>> were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would briefly >>>> discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and >>>> reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing >>>> pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her to >>>> reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class to >>>> see in particular. >>>> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, although >>>> I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. The >>>> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and never >>>> had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy to >>>> upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments link, >>>> and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and paste >>>> the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers. >>>> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope this >>>> helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take. >>>> >>>> Take care, >>>> Emily >>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class >>>> >>>> >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; I have a liberal studies degree. >>>>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions. >>>>> >>>>> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard discussions has posed a big problem. >>>>> >>>>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, case studies, and videos. >>>>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does. >>>>> >>>>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and videos are critical. >>>>> >>>>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with them? >>>>> >>>>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions? >>>>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with the business organization development class too. >>>>> >>>>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you can have more of an understanding, in my opinion. >>>>> >>>>> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, she told me after class. >>>>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full time, and had office on campus. >>>>> >>>>> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing professor. >>>>> >>>>> Look forward to ideas. >>>>> Ashley >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 20:51:18 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 15:51:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <1E67C4E92F42407293C6AF4F5AA555CA@MistyBradleyPC> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com><008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com><03D9EAB8BD594C96B052D4BAB5C2A9BE@Helga> <1E67C4E92F42407293C6AF4F5AA555CA@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: <77C791F9C268437A91A6C477B0B7A92B@Helga> Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I found my Professor's video lecture, and then after finding it, I did the application menu key, I can't find save target in order to save it on the computer. Do you know where I can find Save Target, so that I could save the video on my computer? Just wondering. I actually need to listen to my Professor's video lecture today in order to complete an study guide for that lesson! I will really appreciate it if you could help ,me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Helga, Yes, you can rewind and fast forward in Windows Media Player by tabbing to the Seek slider and then using the left and right arrows for rewinding and fast forwarding. You can save the file to your desktop or you can save it in any folder on your computer depending on the location you select in the save as box when you download the file. I have a specific folder in the My Documents folder that is just for my college work and files, and I named it the name of my college, and inside that folder, I have a separate folder for each course that I am taking, so I put any files that are on Blackboard in the folders on my computer that correspond to the course on Blackboard. Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, can you also rewine or forward the video as much as you want in Windows Media Player? Just curious! And also when you say that your video is save on your computer, do you mean on the Desktop? Just wondering. Hoep to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Helga, You could also find the link to the video in Blackboard and then press the applications key or right click it. This will bring up a menu, and then you can down arrow to "save target as..." and press enter. This will bring up a dialog box that allows you to save the file to your computer and download it. Once you have it saved on your computer, you can open that file on your computer with Windows Media Player or any other player that you use and can use that player's controls to start and stop the video, and you will also have it on your computer in case you need to look at it later on too. This is usually what I do with files on Blackboard, because when I try to open them in Blackboard, it does not work, so it is easier to download the file to my computer first and then open it with the media player that I use. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have > described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video > content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sat Jan 11 21:25:21 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 16:25:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems Message-ID: Hello, Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! Sincerely, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 22:31:19 2014 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 17:31:19 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keeping Track of Assignments? Message-ID: Hi Everyone: I was wondering how you all kept track of when your assignments are due and such. I asked my sighted brother, and he said he uses a planner which has a separate page for every day and he writes down things and then consults the planner. How do you guys do it? Is there a planner app for the Iphone? Or, do you just use the calendar feature in the Iphone? I looked online, and the Braille Bookstore actually sells a braille planner for $20. Do any of you use that? What do you all do? Thanks, Kerri From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sat Jan 11 22:40:31 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 14:40:31 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Keeping Track of Assignments? Message-ID: <52d1c865.488b440a.260a.3921@mx.google.com> I have a Braille Note Apex. Didn't think of using the planner on it though, hmm. I'll keep that in mind. My teachers just usually tell us when it is due. Plus, I have a good memory. ----- Original Message ----- From: Kerri Kosten References: Message-ID: I use the Victor Stream, the Apex, or my Ipad calendar or Reminders. I don't use the Planner on my apex, I just have a document called Assignments. Sent from my iPad On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > Hi Everyone: > > I was wondering how you all kept track of when your assignments are > due and such. > I asked my sighted brother, and he said he uses a planner which has a > separate page for every day and he writes down things and then > consults the planner. > How do you guys do it? > Is there a planner app for the Iphone? > Or, do you just use the calendar feature in the Iphone? > I looked online, and the Braille Bookstore actually sells a braille > planner for $20. > Do any of you use that? > What do you all do? > Thanks, > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 01:09:08 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:09:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Keeping Track of Assignments? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07ABE2051BBA4A7B8E6E5BF6E0ADF8B1@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Kerri, I keep a file on my computer in my folder where I keep all of my school work in, and I call it Assignment Schedule or Assignment Calendar. In it, I list the dates by week, so the title for the week would be something like, "January 6-12, 2014." Underneath this title or heading, I list the days of the week (such as Thursday, January 9), and under each day, I list each assignment that is due on that day. I do this at the beginning of each week, since I take online classes and have a lot of assignments to keep up with. I can then check it each day or every few days to see what is due soon, and I also use a symbol or a letter or something to indicate that I have completed the assignment if I have finished it. If I have not finished it, I do not put any kind of extra symbol or letter in front of the assignment until it is complete. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Kerri Kosten Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 5:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Keeping Track of Assignments? Hi Everyone: I was wondering how you all kept track of when your assignments are due and such. I asked my sighted brother, and he said he uses a planner which has a separate page for every day and he writes down things and then consults the planner. How do you guys do it? Is there a planner app for the Iphone? Or, do you just use the calendar feature in the Iphone? I looked online, and the Braille Bookstore actually sells a braille planner for $20. Do any of you use that? What do you all do? Thanks, Kerri _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 01:51:22 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:51:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <77C791F9C268437A91A6C477B0B7A92B@Helga> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com><008d01cf0ea2$fa9763b0$efc62b10$@gmail.com><03D9EAB8BD594C96B052D4BAB5C2A9BE@Helga><1E67C4E92F42407293C6AF4F5AA555CA@MistyBradleyPC> <77C791F9C268437A91A6C477B0B7A92B@Helga> Message-ID: <9B136C33A3674D7D80C47C3C76756194@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Helga, If you are using JAWS, maybe you could find the name of the video with the JAWS cursor and then press the right mouse button, which will right-click on it, and that should bring the menu up with the "Save Target as." If not, then the video may be something that is embedded in the webpage and cannot be downloaded. If the video is an actual downloadable file, it should work. If it is something like a Youtube video using flash player or something like that, then I don't think downloading will work. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 3:51 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I found my Professor's video lecture, and then after finding it, I did the application menu key, I can't find save target in order to save it on the computer. Do you know where I can find Save Target, so that I could save the video on my computer? Just wondering. I actually need to listen to my Professor's video lecture today in order to complete an study guide for that lesson! I will really appreciate it if you could help ,me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Helga, Yes, you can rewind and fast forward in Windows Media Player by tabbing to the Seek slider and then using the left and right arrows for rewinding and fast forwarding. You can save the file to your desktop or you can save it in any folder on your computer depending on the location you select in the save as box when you download the file. I have a specific folder in the My Documents folder that is just for my college work and files, and I named it the name of my college, and inside that folder, I have a separate folder for each course that I am taking, so I put any files that are on Blackboard in the folders on my computer that correspond to the course on Blackboard. Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 1:11 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Misty, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, can you also rewine or forward the video as much as you want in Windows Media Player? Just curious! And also when you say that your video is save on your computer, do you mean on the Desktop? Just wondering. Hoep to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 12:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Helga, You could also find the link to the video in Blackboard and then press the applications key or right click it. This will bring up a menu, and then you can down arrow to "save target as..." and press enter. This will bring up a dialog box that allows you to save the file to your computer and download it. Once you have it saved on your computer, you can open that file on your computer with Windows Media Player or any other player that you use and can use that player's controls to start and stop the video, and you will also have it on your computer in case you need to look at it later on too. This is usually what I do with files on Blackboard, because when I try to open them in Blackboard, it does not work, so it is easier to download the file to my computer first and then open it with the media player that I use. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: justin williams Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:58 AM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Reading view is what you use for presentation. Try these keystrokes the next time you are in power point. • BACKSPACE: In Reading View, moves to the previous slide. • CTRL + END: In Normal View, moves focus to the last slide in a presentation or in Reading View, move focus to the bottom of the slide. • CTRL + HOME: In Normal View, moves focus to the first slide in a presentation or in Reading View, moves focus to the top of the slide. • ESC: Ends a presentation being shown in Reading View, and returns to Normal View. • F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with the first slide. • PAGE DOWN: In Normal and Reading Views, moves forward from slide to slide. • PAGE UP: In Normal and Reading Views, moves backward from slide to slide. • SHIFT + F5: Moves to Reading View and begins a presentation with whatever slide was in focus in either the Normal View or Slide Sorter View when the Reading View was invoked. PowerPoint refers to this as the “Current Slide”. • SPACEBAR: In Reading View, moves to the next slide. When the end of the presentation is reached, will move back to Normal View with focus on the first slide. 5 JAWS Keys • ARROW Keys: Move through placeholders while in Reading View. • CTRL + SHIFT + N: Reads Speaker’s Notes when in Reading View. • MODIFIER + DOWN ARROW: Say All. • MODIFIER + PAGE DOWN: Announces the Status Bar. • MODIFIER + TAB: At the Slide Level, announces the title of the slide in focus. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 2:33 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have > described, and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video > content posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to tell you >> that for my Introduction of Government class my Government Professor >> has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I find >> the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >> lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop >> it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the >> lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the >> lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask >> you, do you ever experience this kind of problem when your professor >> puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you know how to play >> or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >> will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me >> some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >> so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, do you >> think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my iPhone? >> By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing and >> stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >> really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >> time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >> recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks >> again for all your time! >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >> change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40co >> mcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 01:54:00 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 20:54:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140111055350.0635b660@comcast.net> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga><7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140111055350.0635b660@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7A55FEB1D0634DFBB7EEC09B3848DE34@Helga> Hi Robin, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to tell you that I actually find a way to solve my problem in how to access my videos on Blackboard. I think that this probably help you, or anyone else who needs it as well! Just to let you know my brother who is sighted helps me save the video on the computer, and then he downloads it in Windows media player, and then he created a folder for me called Video Lectures Folder, and after he did that he placed the video there. Once you have your video in your folder, you can press enter on it, and then Windows Media Player opens automatically. So in order to play a video on Windows Media Player, you press control P, to pause a video, you press control P as well, in order to rewine the Video, you press control shift B, and in order to fast forward the video, you press control shift F. Of course yu will need help with this, yu will need someone who is sighted to help you save the video to yur computer, and accomplish the other steps that I mention before, but once yu are in Windows Media Player, you can do the steps I told you. You could probably ask for a family member, a friend, or a class mate at school in order for them to help yu with this. Hoep this helps for now. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. I will try to find out from my brother if I can do all this steps for myself, and then I'll share it with all of you ok? Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: Robin Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard I am sorry that I forgot to mention how I was able to access the video content posted to blackboard. I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty (a sighted person) to locate the pause/play buttons as well as the transcripts of the video content in question. I may be in the same boat this upcoming semester/term, and I may also enlist the aid of a sighted person (Ol'Sighty) if I am unable to uncover how to access this content from a blindness perspective, but I will press the university about the difficulty I am experiencing. Good Luck with your blackboard course! If you find a suitable way to access the blackboard content (video), please pass it along on this list because I am sure there are others, who will probably benefit as much as I will. At 11:32 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should do >about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? Just >curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any enlisted >thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a Lecture video in >this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me with >this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I >forgot to ask you, do you know how to download Windows Media Player in an >iPhone, or any apple device? Just wondering, since I actually log in to >Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint >Lecture, but it didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show the video as >a WMB link. Thanks again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan >11, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have >also experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have described, >and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video content posted >as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM 1/10/2014, >you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to >tell you that for my Introduction of Government class my Government >Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime I >find the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, but when it comes to play the >lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes on, but when I want to stop it, I >can’t. Just to let you know, one of my family members stops the lecture >by clicking on it with the mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere >located in Lesson modules. I just wanted to ask you, do you ever experience >this kind of problem when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in >Blackboard? And do you know how to play or pause a Recorded Powerpoint >Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear >from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to >ask you, do you think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on >my iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing >and stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first time >using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his recorded >Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks again for all your >time! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 02:46:23 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 21:46:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <7A55FEB1D0634DFBB7EEC09B3848DE34@Helga> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga><7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net><467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140111055350.0635b660@comcast.net> <7A55FEB1D0634DFBB7EEC09B3848DE34@Helga> Message-ID: <013f01cf0f40$7bccb2d0$73661870$@gmail.com> When I access it with Mozilla, I am able to save it to my down loads folder, then move it to the folder on my computer where I want it to go. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard Hi Robin, this is Helga. How are you? I just wanted to tell you that I actually find a way to solve my problem in how to access my videos on Blackboard. I think that this probably help you, or anyone else who needs it as well! Just to let you know my brother who is sighted helps me save the video on the computer, and then he downloads it in Windows media player, and then he created a folder for me called Video Lectures Folder, and after he did that he placed the video there. Once you have your video in your folder, you can press enter on it, and then Windows Media Player opens automatically. So in order to play a video on Windows Media Player, you press control P, to pause a video, you press control P as well, in order to rewine the Video, you press control shift B, and in order to fast forward the video, you press control shift F. Of course yu will need help with this, yu will need someone who is sighted to help you save the video to yur computer, and accomplish the other steps that I mention before, but once yu are in Windows Media Player, you can do the steps I told you. You could probably ask for a family member, a friend, or a class mate at school in order for them to help yu with this. Hoep this helps for now. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. I will try to find out from my brother if I can do all this steps for myself, and then I'll share it with all of you ok? Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: Robin Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:59 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard I am sorry that I forgot to mention how I was able to access the video content posted to blackboard. I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty (a sighted person) to locate the pause/play buttons as well as the transcripts of the video content in question. I may be in the same boat this upcoming semester/term, and I may also enlist the aid of a sighted person (Ol'Sighty) if I am unable to uncover how to access this content from a blindness perspective, but I will press the university about the difficulty I am experiencing. Good Luck with your blackboard course! If you find a suitable way to access the blackboard content (video), please pass it along on this list because I am sure there are others, who will probably benefit as much as I will. At 11:32 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >Hi, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you think I should >do about the lecture videos? What did you do in order to access them? >Just curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you that I didn't see any >enlisted thing that you mention regarding in how to play or pause a >Lecture video in this message. I will really appreciate it a lot, if >you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much >and God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, do you know how to >download Windows Media Player in an iPhone, or any apple device? Just >wondering, since I actually log in to Blackboard using my iPhone, and I >found my Professor's Recorded Powerpoint Lecture, but it didn't play >the video, instead the iPhone show the video as a WMB link. Thanks >again for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 11, 2014, at >1:49 AM, Robin wrote: > > I have also >experienced the same difficulty with blackboard as you have described, >and I enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the video content >posted as well as access the transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM >1/10/2014, you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga. How are you all? I >just wanted to tell you that for my Introduction of Government class my >Government Professor has his recorded Powerpoints Lectures on >Blackboard. Sometime I find the link to it, but sometimes I don’t, >but when it comes to play the lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes >on, but when I want to stop it, I can’t. Just to let you know, one of >my family members stops the lecture by clicking on it with the mouse. >Actually, I know the lecture is somewhere located in Lesson modules. I >just wanted to ask you, do you ever experience this kind of problem >when your professor puts somekind of Lectures in Blackboard? And do you >know how to play or pause a Recorded Powerpoint Lecture with JAWS? Just >curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and >give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. >Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot to ask you, >do you think I should access the recorded powerpoint lectures on my >iPhone? By using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier in playing >and stopping the the recorded Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >really like to know your opinion about this, since this is my first >time using Blackboard, and since my Professor will always have his >recorded Lectures on Blackboard for this entire semester! Thanks again >for all your time! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comc >ast.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%4 >0gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l >mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, >change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comc >ast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 06:18:32 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for the Professors at Colleges and Universities Message-ID: <36A76481A1D94A358EA6A9CB582B0317@Helga> Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 06:28:59 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 11 Jan 2014 22:28:59 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities Message-ID: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> Not=20to=20interrupt,=20but=20I=20sent=20a=20few=20emails=20to=20this=20lis= t,=20and=20have=20 not=20received=20replies.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20spot=20to=20make=20sure=20t= he=20emails=20 went=20through. Like=20a=20notification=20if=20the=20post=20was=20sent? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20 References: Message-ID: <53888D21-9C7F-4E77-9AC5-2852178DF867@yahoo.com> Hello, I use the calendar app built into my iPhone. I like it because I can have everything in one place. I use it to put in assignments for school, any meetings, doctors appointments, cancel classes, etc. this works the best for me. Plus, I always have my phone with me so I always have access to my calendar. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 11, 2014, at 5:31 PM, Kerri Kosten wrote: > > Hi Everyone: > > I was wondering how you all kept track of when your assignments are > due and such. > I asked my sighted brother, and he said he uses a planner which has a > separate page for every day and he writes down things and then > consults the planner. > How do you guys do it? > Is there a planner app for the Iphone? > Or, do you just use the calendar feature in the Iphone? > I looked online, and the Braille Bookstore actually sells a braille > planner for $20. > Do any of you use that? > What do you all do? > Thanks, > Kerri > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 09:36:35 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 04:36:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004a01cf0f79$c9d6f100$5d84d300$@gmail.com> Got you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:29 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops = for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. Like a notification if the post was sent? ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <36A76481A1D94A358EA6A9CB582B0317@Helga> Message-ID: <005001cf0f79$ff5bcee0$fe136ca0$@gmail.com> I'm curious about that as well; what college to you attend. I would like the same information that Helga is asking for. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 1:19 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for the Professors at Colleges and Universities Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! From herekittykat2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 11:12:05 2014 From: herekittykat2 at gmail.com (Jewel) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 06:12:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for the Professors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <36A76481A1D94A358EA6A9CB582B0317@Helga> References: <36A76481A1D94A358EA6A9CB582B0317@Helga> Message-ID: Dear Helga, I can try to help! The school I go to currently is Wake Technical Community College in Wake County, North Carolina (the main campus is in Garner, but several other campuses are in Raleigh, where I live). Their website is www.waketech.edu. I would suggest talking to the director of disability support services, Regina Willis. Her phone number is (919) 532-5598. She is a very busy person, however, as she is also filling the position of counselor in DSS and interviewing candidates for that position, as well as her usual beginning-of-semester duties as director. I just tell you this so you don't get anxious if she doesn't call you back quickly. She would know more about the workshops. As far as I know, the workshops are on working with people with all kinds of disabilities and they talk during that workshop about working with blind students. DSS also works closely with the professors who will have a blind student to teach them how to fulfill accommodations. I know they asked my professors to always put captions with images in their powerpoints because I had them in my biology class, communications class, and French class. My biology professor was the best at this, as she put a caption for every image for every powerpoint. I can send you examples of powerpoints she did for me, as I kept a few of the last chapter's powerpoints. Monday, I'll call DSS (I need to anyway) and see who is in charge of the workshops. I imagine there is someone who coordinates them, but I don't know who. My school also won't provide hard copy Braille books, though I've never pushed it since I prefer .brf files that I can read with my refreshable Braille display and print as needed on my embosser, both of which were provided by the division of services of the blind, part of the state government. Contact me privately if you want to talk more about that. Also, feel free to ask more questions about my school and its accommodations and all that jazz. *smiles* ~Jewel ` On 1/12/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper > regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” > and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your > college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college > does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or > a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for > attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the > powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, > and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in > organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or > visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in > order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu > to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in > order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually > impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these > accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have > any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a > blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some > difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my > professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since > I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do > so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my > DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and > I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues > with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually > would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts > and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur > college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help > me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! > Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. > Whatever yu prefer Ok? eThanks again for all your time!! From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sun Jan 12 14:40:22 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 06:40:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Professor's Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard In-Reply-To: <7A55FEB1D0634DFBB7EEC09B3848DE34@Helga> References: <93DB6F47477145C2A1E41C0A477DAD58@Helga> <7.0.1.0.2.20140110224230.063d22f8@comcast.net> <467B61F7-D357-45A8-9B11-5CE73763F43E@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140111055350.0635b660@comcast.net> <7A55FEB1D0634DFBB7EEC09B3848DE34@Helga> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140112063901.071ceb40@comcast.net> Thank you, Miss Helga for passing along that tip about accessing content (video) bedded within blackboard, it is greatly appreciated! At 05:54 PM 1/11/2014, you wrote: >Hi Robin, this is Helga. How are you? I just >wanted to tell you that I actually find a way to >solve my problem in how to access my videos on >Blackboard. I think that this probably help you, >or anyone else who needs it as well! Just to let >you know my brother who is sighted helps me save >the video on the computer, and then he downloads >it in Windows media player, and then he created >a folder for me called Video Lectures Folder, >and after he did that he placed the video there. >Once you have your video in your folder, you can >press enter on it, and then Windows Media Player >opens automatically. So in order to play a video >on Windows Media Player, you press control P, to >pause a video, you press control P as well, in >order to rewine the Video, you press control >shift B, and in order to fast forward the video, >you press control shift F. Of course yu will >need help with this, yu will need someone who is >sighted to help you save the video to yur >computer, and accomplish the other steps that I >mention before, but once yu are in Windows Media >Player, you can do the steps I told you. You >could probably ask for a family member, a >friend, or a class mate at school in order for >them to help yu with this. Hoep this helps for >now. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God >bless!! :) P.S. I will try to find out from my >brother if I can do all this steps for myself, >and then I'll share it with all of you ok? >Thanks again! -----Original Message----- From: >Robin Sent: Saturday, January 11, 2014 8:59 AM >To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Professor's >Recorded PowerPoints Lectures on Blackboard I am >sorry that I forgot to mention how I was able to >access the video content posted to blackboard. I >enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty (a sighted person) >to locate the pause/play buttons as well as the >transcripts of the video content in question. I >may be in the same boat this upcoming >semester/term, and I may also enlist the aid of >a sighted person (Ol'Sighty) if I am unable to >uncover how to access this content from a >blindness perspective, but I will press the >university about the difficulty I am >experiencing. Good Luck with your blackboard >course! If you find a suitable way to access the >blackboard content (video), please pass it along >on this list because I am sure there are others, >who will probably benefit as much as I will. At >11:32 PM 1/10/2014, you wrote: >Hi, this is >Helga. I just wanted to ask you, What do you >think I should do >about the lecture videos? >What did you do in order to access them? >Just >curious!! Also, I just wanted to tell you >that I didn't see any enlisted >thing that you >mention regarding in how to play or pause a >Lecture video in >this message. I will really >appreciate it a lot, if you could help me >with >this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks >so much and God bless!! :) P.S. I >forgot to ask >you, do you know how to download Windows Media >Player in an >iPhone, or any apple device? Just >wondering, since I actually log in >to >Blackboard using my iPhone, and I found my >Professor's Recorded Powerpoint >Lecture, but it >didn't play the video, instead the iPhone show >the video as >a WMB link. Thanks again for all >your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan >11, >2014, at 1:49 AM, Robin > wrote: > > I >have >also experienced the same difficulty with >blackboard as you have described, >and I >enlisted the aid of Ol'Sighty to pause/play the >video content posted >as well as access the >transcripts of the video. > > At 01:50 PM >1/10/2014, >you wrote: >> Hi guys, this is >Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to >tell >you that for my Introduction of Government class >my Government >Professor has his recorded >Powerpoints Lectures on Blackboard. Sometime >I >find the link to it, but sometimes I >don’t, but when it it comes to play >the >lecture, I press enter on it, and it goes >on, but when I want to stop it, I >can’t. J. >Just to let you know, one of my family members >stops the lecture >by clicking on it with the >mouse. Actually, I know the lecture is >somewhere >located in Lesson modules. I just >wanted to ask you, do you ever experience >this >kind of problem when your professor puts >somekind of Lectures in >Blackboard? And do you >know how to play or pause a Recorded >Powerpoint >Lecture with JAWS? Just curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if you >could >help me and give me some suggestions regarding >this. Hope to hear >from you soon. Thanks so >much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, I forgot >to >ask you, do you think I should access the >recorded powerpoint lectures on >my iPhone? By >using my iPhone, do you think would it be easier >in playing >and stopping the the recorded >Powerpoint Lecture? Just curious! I will >really >like to know your opinion about this, since this >is my first time >using Blackboard, and since my >Professor will always have his >recorded >Lectures on Blackboard for this entire >semester! Thanks again for all your >time! >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > > >_ >______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options >or >get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs >-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >____ >___________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To >unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l >_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 12 14:56:21 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:56:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: This went through. Sent from my iPad On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. > Like a notification if the post was sent? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 19:46:53 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:46:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for the Professors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: References: <36A76481A1D94A358EA6A9CB582B0317@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Jewel, this is Helga. Thanks so much for the information yu gave me. I just wanted to ask you, could yu send me the Powerpoints that your Biology Professor put caption on them? I will really appreciate it a lot. I'm actually going to be taking Concepts of Biology this semester, and I would like to see some powerpoints beforemy class starts on February. Just to let yu know, this is actualy the first time that my Biology Professor will teach a Blind student, and I would like to give him some ideas in how he can teach me. Probably I will show him these powerpoints, in order for him to have an idea in how they look when they are a lot of pictures. Actually, my class is going to be hybrid, and it's going to be a lot of pictures in queizzes, homeworks, and tests on Blackboard, and also in the Biology book is going to be a lot of pictures. I actualy have the old edition of my book from Learning Ally, but I will also like to have the descriptions of the pictures on my computer, or in Braille, since I would like to see how the words are spell out.I really don't like the books in PDF format. By the way, did you take Concepts of Biology class? Just wondering. Thanks so much for listening to me! God bless!! :) P.S. I forgot to ask you, could yu give me your email address in order for me to contact you privately? Thanks again! :) -----Original Message----- From: Jewel Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:12 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for the Professors at Colleges and Universities Dear Helga, I can try to help! The school I go to currently is Wake Technical Community College in Wake County, North Carolina (the main campus is in Garner, but several other campuses are in Raleigh, where I live). Their website is www.waketech.edu. I would suggest talking to the director of disability support services, Regina Willis. Her phone number is (919) 532-5598. She is a very busy person, however, as she is also filling the position of counselor in DSS and interviewing candidates for that position, as well as her usual beginning-of-semester duties as director. I just tell you this so you don't get anxious if she doesn't call you back quickly. She would know more about the workshops. As far as I know, the workshops are on working with people with all kinds of disabilities and they talk during that workshop about working with blind students. DSS also works closely with the professors who will have a blind student to teach them how to fulfill accommodations. I know they asked my professors to always put captions with images in their powerpoints because I had them in my biology class, communications class, and French class. My biology professor was the best at this, as she put a caption for every image for every powerpoint. I can send you examples of powerpoints she did for me, as I kept a few of the last chapter's powerpoints. Monday, I'll call DSS (I need to anyway) and see who is in charge of the workshops. I imagine there is someone who coordinates them, but I don't know who. My school also won't provide hard copy Braille books, though I've never pushed it since I prefer .brf files that I can read with my refreshable Braille display and print as needed on my embosser, both of which were provided by the division of services of the blind, part of the state government. Contact me privately if you want to talk more about that. Also, feel free to ask more questions about my school and its accommodations and all that jazz. *smiles* ~Jewel ` On 1/12/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research > paper > regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” > and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your > college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college > does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, > or > a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for > attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the > powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath > it, > and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in > organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or > visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in > order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for > yu > to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in > order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually > impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these > accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have > any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a > blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some > difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my > professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, > since > I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do > so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my > DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, > and > I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues > with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually > would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the > contacts > and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur > college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could > help > me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! > Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. > Whatever yu prefer Ok? eThanks again for all your time!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jan 12 20:34:43 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 14:34:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I have turned on acknowledgement for your subscription, so when you post to the list you will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to >this list, and have not received replies. Is >there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel >regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember >when I did my research paper regarding “Are >Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated >Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me >yur life testimony in how does your college >helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me >that your college does Workshops where they >teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, >or a visually impaired student, and they >actually receive credit hours for attending the >workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints the professor places a >description of the picture underneath it, and >etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who >is in charge in organizing these workshops for >the professors in order to teach a blind or >visually impaired student, and could yu give me >their contact number in order to talk to them >regarding this? And also, Would it be possible >for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS >adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them >what kind of accomodations they give a blind or >visually impaired student for his or her class, >and also how do they provide these accomodations >for them? I’m just wondering, since my college >does not have any of these workshops in order to >educate professors in how to teach a blind or >visually impaired student, and I’m actually >having some difficulties in my classes because I >actually need to explain to my professors in how >they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a blind student. I really >enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do >so, my college is suppose to train them about >it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser >doesn’t coperate with me in giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >However, even though I have many issues with >her, I would like to inform her about these >workshops, and I actually would like to start >one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the >contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, >could you tell me the name of yur college? Just >curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if >yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me >on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer >Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 21:09:43 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:09:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7F29E648F906459482C0FAAE3C1CE873@Helga> Hi Dave, this is Helga. Could you turned on acknowledgement for me too? I also would like to receive notification when I write to the list, since whenever I send an email I never received a notification that my message came through. I use to before when I had my hotmail email address, but I don't now. I will really appreciate it alot , Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities I have turned on acknowledgement for your subscription, so when you post to the list you will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not >received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for >theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research >paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated >Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how >does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your >college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind >student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit >hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture >underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in >charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a >blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact >number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be >possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the >DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a >blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do >they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my >college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors >in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually >having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain >to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m >not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just >to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform >her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my >college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about >this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some >suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. >Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 21:24:20 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 13:24:20 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities Message-ID: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> I=20mean,=20I=20wrote=20one=20with=20my=20own=20subject,=20and=20I=20don't= =20know=20if=20it=20 came=20through=20or=20i=20I=20put=20the=20email=20in=20right. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20Not=20to=20interrupt,=20but=20I=20sent=20a=20few=20emails=20to=20this=20= list,=20and=20have=20 not=20received=20replies.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20spot=20to=20make=20sure=20t= he=20emails=20 went=20through. =20Like=20a=20notification=20if=20the=20post=20was=20sent? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20 Thank you. That helps. I wasn't sure how to do it From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 12 21:27:25 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:27:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> References: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4DFC41D9-5C42-4D30-A9C3-94A251D4F482@icloud.com> I haven't gotten anything from you in the past few days. What did the last message you wrote to the list before today say? Sent from my iPad On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:24 PM, marissa wrote: > > I mean, I wrote one with my own subject, and I don't know if it came through or i I put the email in right. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:56:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > This went through. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. > Like a notification if the post was sent? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 12 22:35:47 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 17:35:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding WorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> References: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <08659881284B470384B040C80C7B1B63@OwnerPC> Marisa, check the archives. if you wrote a message, it should be posted there. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 4:24 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding WorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities I mean, I wrote one with my own subject, and I don't know if it came through or i I put the email in right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. Like a notification if the post was sent? ----- Original Message ----- From: References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> <7F29E648F906459482C0FAAE3C1CE873@Helga> Message-ID: The reason you and others don't see your messages is that gmail supresses them, not sending you the copy of the message you posted here. It is a gmail thing, they figure you posted it, you know it's there. But many people like the reassurance of seeing the message. Dave At 03:09 PM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Hi Dave, this is Helga. Could you turned on >acknowledgement for me too? I also would like to >receive notification when I write to the list, >since whenever I send an email I never received >a notification that my message came through. I >use to before when I had my hotmail email >address, but I don't now. I will really >appreciate it alot , Thanks so much and God >bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: >David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 >3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind >Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This >is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for >theProfessors at Colleges and Universities I >have turned on acknowledgement for your >subscription, so when you post to the list you >will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM >1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to interrupt, but I >sent a few emails to this list, and have >not >received replies. Is there a spot to make >sure the emails went through. >Like a >notification if the post was sent? > > >----- >Original Message ----- >From: >To: >Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 >01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a >message for Jewel regarding Workshops >for >theProfessors at Colleges and >Universities > >Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How >are you? Remember when I did my research >paper >regarding “Are Visually Impaired College e >Students Descriminated >Against?,â€Â and I ask >you, if you could give me yur life testimony in >how >does your college helps yu and all that? >And yu actually told me that your >college does >Workshops where they teach Professors how to >teach a Blind >student, or a visually impaired >student, and they actually receive credit >hours >for attending the workshops as well! Actually >you told me that for >the powerpoints the >professor places a description of the >picture >underneath it, and etc. I just wanted >to ask you, do you know who is in >charge in >organizing these workshops for the professors in >order to teach a >blind or visually impaired >student, and could yu give me their >contact >number in order to talk to them >regarding this? And also, Would it be >possible >for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS >adviser, and the >DSS office in order to ask >them what kind of accomodations they give >a >blind or visually impaired student for his or >her class, and also how do >they provide these >accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, >since my >c >college does not have any of these >workshops in order to educate professors >in how >to teach a blind or visually impaired student, >and I’m actually >having some di difficulties >in my classes because I actually need to >explain >to my professors in how they can give >me my assignments and providing >them!, since >I’m a blind studeudent. I really enjoy doing >that, but I’m >not suppuppose to do so, my >college is suppose to train them about >it. Just >to let you know, my DSS adviser >doesn’t„¢t coperate with me in giving >my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of >issues with her. >However, even though I have >many issues with her, I would like to >inform >her about these workshops, and I >actually would like to start one in >my >college. That is why I ask yu for the >contacts and who can I talk about >this. Also, >could you tell me the name of yur college? Just >curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if >yu could help me and give me some >suggestions >regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu soon! >Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the >way, if you want you can contact me on the list, >or off list. >Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! From dandrews at visi.com Sun Jan 12 23:17:51 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 17:17:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> References: <52d3080a.638f440a.6e82.55dd@mx.google.com> Message-ID: You don't see it because gmail doesn't send it to you since you originated it. Dave At 03:24 PM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >I mean, I wrote one with my own subject, and I >don't know if it came through or i I put the email in right. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:56:21 -0500 >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for >Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >This went through. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > >Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to >this list, and have not received replies. Is >there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel >regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember >when I did my research paper regarding “Are >Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated >Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me >yur life testimony in how does your college >helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me >that your college does Workshops where they >teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, >or a visually impaired student, and they >actually receive credit hours for attending the >workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints the professor places a >description of the picture underneath it, and >etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who >is in charge in organizing these workshops for >the professors in order to teach a blind or >visually impaired student, and could yu give me >their contact number in order to talk to them >regarding this? And also, Would it be possible >for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS >adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them >what kind of accomodations they give a blind or >visually impaired student for his or her class, >and also how do they provide these accomodations >for them? I’m just wondering, since my college >does not have any of these workshops in order to >educate professors in how to teach a blind or >visually impaired student, and I’m actually >having some difficulties in my classes because I >actually need to explain to my professors in how >they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a blind student. I really >enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do >so, my college is suppose to train them about >it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser >doesn’t coperate with me in giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >However, even though I have many issues with >her, I would like to inform her about these >workshops, and I actually would like to start >one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the >contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, >could you tell me the name of yur college? Just >curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if >yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me >on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer >Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sun Jan 12 23:17:57 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 18:17:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d23636.85fa440a.2084.ffff9abe@mx.google.com> <7F29E648F906459482C0FAAE3C1CE873@Helga> Message-ID: <01f901cf0fec$88065a90$98130fb0$@gmail.com> You could just blind carbon copy yourself; aka bcc. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities The reason you and others don't see your messages is that gmail supresses them, not sending you the copy of the message you posted here. It is a gmail thing, they figure you posted it, you know it's there. But many people like the reassurance of seeing the message. Dave At 03:09 PM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Hi Dave, this is Helga. Could you turned on acknowledgement for me too? >I also would like to receive notification when I write to the list, >since whenever I send an email I never received a notification that my >message came through. I use to before when I had my hotmail email >address, but I don't now. I will really appreciate it alot , Thanks so >much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: >David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 >3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops >for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities I have turned on >acknowledgement for your subscription, so when you post to the list you >will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to >interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not >received >replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a >notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: >To: >Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 >01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding >Workshops for >theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, >this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research >paper >regarding “Are Visually Impaired College e Students Descriminated >>Against?,â€Â and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony >in how >does your college helps yu and all that? >And yu actually told me that your >college does Workshops where they >teach Professors how to teach a Blind >student, or a visually >impaired student, and they actually receive credit >hours for attending >the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints >the professor places a description of the picture >underneath it, and >etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in >charge in >organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a >>blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact >>number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be >>possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and >the >DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they >give a >blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and >also how do >they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just >wondering, since my >c >college does not have any of these workshops in >order to educate professors >in how to teach a blind or visually >impaired student, and I’m actually >having some di difficulties in >my classes because I actually need to explain >to my professors in how >they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a >blind studeudent. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m >not >suppuppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. >Just >to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t„¢t coperate with me in >giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >>However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to >inform >her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start >one in my >college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can >I talk about >this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? >Just curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me >and give me some >suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu >soon! >Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can >contact me on the list, or off list. >Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks >again for all your time!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com From pgradioman at hotmail.com Mon Jan 13 02:53:44 2014 From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 02:53:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?This_is_a_message_for_Jewel_regarding_Workshop?= =?utf-8?q?s_for=09theProfessors_at_Colleges_and_Universities?= Message-ID: Oh ok. Thanks for the FYI. Preston Sent from Windows Mail From: justin williams Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎January‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎6‎:‎19‎ ‎PM To: Nabs-l You could just blind carbon copy yourself; aka bcc. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities The reason you and others don't see your messages is that gmail supresses them, not sending you the copy of the message you posted here. It is a gmail thing, they figure you posted it, you know it's there. But many people like the reassurance of seeing the message. Dave At 03:09 PM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Hi Dave, this is Helga. Could you turned on acknowledgement for me too? >I also would like to receive notification when I write to the list, >since whenever I send an email I never received a notification that my >message came through. I use to before when I had my hotmail email >address, but I don't now. I will really appreciate it alot , Thanks so >much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: >David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 >3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops >for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities I have turned on >acknowledgement for your subscription, so when you post to the list you >will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to >interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not >received >replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a >notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: >To: >Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 >01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding >Workshops for >theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, >this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research >paper >regarding “Are Visually Impaired College e Students Descriminated >>Against?,â€Â and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony >in how >does your college helps yu and all that? >And yu actually told me that your >college does Workshops where they >teach Professors how to teach a Blind >student, or a visually >impaired student, and they actually receive credit >hours for attending >the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints >the professor places a description of the picture >underneath it, and >etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in >charge in >organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a >>blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact >>number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be >>possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and >the >DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they >give a >blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and >also how do >they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just >wondering, since my >c >college does not have any of these workshops in >order to educate professors >in how to teach a blind or visually >impaired student, and I’m actually >having some di difficulties in >my classes because I actually need to explain >to my professors in how >they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a >blind studeudent. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m >not >suppuppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. >Just >to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t„¢t coperate with me in >giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >>However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to >inform >her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start >one in my >college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can >I talk about >this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? >Just curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me >and give me some >suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu >soon! >Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can >contact me on the list, or off list. >Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks >again for all your time!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 04:22:38 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 20:22:38 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding WorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities Message-ID: <52d36a15.2d79420a.0c93.ffffc0cb@mx.google.com> I=20have=20no=20idea,=20something=20about=20a=20music=20file=20I=20think? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20I=20mean,=20I=20wrote=20one=20with=20my=20own=20subject,=20and=20I=20don= 't=20know=20if=20it=20 came=20through=20or=20i=20I=20put=20the=20email=20in=20right. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20Not=20to=20interrupt,=20but=20I=20sent=20a=20few=20emails=20to=20this=20= list,=20and=20have=20 not=20received=20replies.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20spot=20to=20make=20sure=20t= he=20emails=20 went=20through. =20Like=20a=20notification=20if=20the=20post=20was=20sent? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20 References: Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, Are you using the ac or USB adapter? The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. Have you tried using the ac adapter? Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? HTH Sorry it took so long Bridget Sent from my iPad > On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > > Hello, > Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Jan 13 13:27:28 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:27:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding WorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities In-Reply-To: <52d36a15.2d79420a.0c93.ffffc0cb@mx.google.com> References: <52d36a15.2d79420a.0c93.ffffc0cb@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <9024C920-489D-4E19-9B12-5A7A794F12CB@icloud.com> I don't think I got it. Sent from my iPad On Jan 12, 2014, at 11:22 PM, marissa wrote: > > I have no idea, something about a music file I think? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 16:27:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding WorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > I haven't gotten anything from you in the past few days. What did the last message you wrote to the list before today say? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 4:24 PM, marissa wrote: > > > I mean, I wrote one with my own subject, and I don't know if it came through or i I put the email in right. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 09:56:21 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops fortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > This went through. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 12, 2014, at 1:28 AM, marissa wrote: > > > Not to interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not received replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. > Like a notification if the post was sent? > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: To: Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 01:18:32 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > > Hi Jewel, this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research paper regarding “Are Visually Impaired College Students Descriminated Against?,” and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony in how does your college helps yu and all that? And yu actually told me that your college does Workshops where they teach Professors how to teach a Blind student, or a visually impaired student, and they actually receive credit hours for attending the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for the powerpoints the professor places a description of the picture underneath it, and etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in charge in organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and the DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they give a blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and also how do they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just wondering, since my college does not have any of these workshops in order to educate professors in how to teach a blind or visually impaired student, and I’m actually having some difficulties in my classes because I actually need to explain to my professors in how they can give me my assignments and providing them!, since I’m a blind student. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m not suppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. Just to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t coperate with me in giving my assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to inform her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start one in my college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can I talk about this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from yu soon! Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.S. By the way, if you want you can contact me on the list, or off list. Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks again for all your time!! > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Jan 13 13:30:26 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:30:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40525259-A925-406D-ACAC-381E6557E4BF@icloud.com> AC. I am having problems with it charging. However, later, when I press the button to turn it off and I was using it, I saw the charging indicator, and it was charging. Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Bridget Walker wrote: > Hi Mikayla, > Are you using the ac or USB adapter? > The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. > I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. > If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. > On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. > Have you tried using the ac adapter? > Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? > HTH > Sorry it took so long > Bridget > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Hello, >> Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! >> Sincerely, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 13:34:09 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 05:34:09 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regardingWorkshopsfortheProfessors at Colleges and Universities Message-ID: <52d3eb59.c394420a.3dc6.5943@mx.google.com> What's=20the=20address?=20I=20have=20nabs-l at nfb.org -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20I=20have=20no=20idea,=20something=20about=20a=20music=20file=20I=20think= ? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20I=20mean,=20I=20wrote=20one=20with=20my=20own=20subject,=20and=20I=20don= 't=20know=20if=20it=20 came=20through=20or=20i=20I=20put=20the=20email=20in=20right. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20Mikayla=20Gephart=20=20wrote: =20Not=20to=20interrupt,=20but=20I=20sent=20a=20few=20emails=20to=20this=20= list,=20and=20have=20 not=20received=20replies.=20=20Is=20there=20a=20spot=20to=20make=20sure=20t= he=20emails=20 went=20through. =20Like=20a=20notification=20if=20the=20post=20was=20sent? =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- =20From:=20 Opps, I didn't notice this until now. Sorry folks, I replyed to the wrong e-mail! LOL. Preston Sent from Windows Mail From: Preston Gaylor Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎January‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎54‎ ‎PM To: Nabs-l Oh ok. Thanks for the FYI. Preston Sent from Windows Mail From: justin williams Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎January‎ ‎12‎, ‎2014 ‎6‎:‎19‎ ‎PM To: Nabs-l You could just blind carbon copy yourself; aka bcc. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 6:15 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities The reason you and others don't see your messages is that gmail supresses them, not sending you the copy of the message you posted here. It is a gmail thing, they figure you posted it, you know it's there. But many people like the reassurance of seeing the message. Dave At 03:09 PM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Hi Dave, this is Helga. Could you turned on acknowledgement for me too? >I also would like to receive notification when I write to the list, >since whenever I send an email I never received a notification that my >message came through. I use to before when I had my hotmail email >address, but I don't now. I will really appreciate it alot , Thanks so >much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: >David Andrews Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2014 >3:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding Workshops >for theProfessors at Colleges and Universities I have turned on >acknowledgement for your subscription, so when you post to the list you >will get a notification. Dave At 12:28 AM 1/12/2014, you wrote: >Not to >interrupt, but I sent a few emails to this list, and have not >received >replies. Is there a spot to make sure the emails went through. >Like a >notification if the post was sent? > > >----- Original Message ----- >>From: >To: >Date sent: Sun, 12 Jan 2014 >01:18:32 -0500 >Subject: [nabs-l] This is a message for Jewel regarding >Workshops for >theProfessors at Colleges and Universities > >Hi Jewel, >this is Helga. How are you? Remember when I did my research >paper >regarding “Are Visually Impaired College e Students Descriminated >>Against?,â€Â and I ask you, if you could give me yur life testimony >in how >does your college helps yu and all that? >And yu actually told me that your >college does Workshops where they >teach Professors how to teach a Blind >student, or a visually >impaired student, and they actually receive credit >hours for attending >the workshops as well! Actually you told me that for >the powerpoints >the professor places a description of the picture >underneath it, and >etc. I just wanted to ask you, do you know who is in >charge in >organizing these workshops for the professors in order to teach a >>blind or visually impaired student, and could yu give me their contact >>number in order to talk to them regarding this? And also, Would it be >>possible for yu to give me the contact number of your DSS adviser, and >the >DSS office in order to ask them what kind of accomodations they >give a >blind or visually impaired student for his or her class, and >also how do >they provide these accomodations for them? I’m just >wondering, since my >c >college does not have any of these workshops in >order to educate professors >in how to teach a blind or visually >impaired student, and I’m actually >having some di difficulties in >my classes because I actually need to explain >to my professors in how >they can give me my assignments and providing >them!, since I’m a >blind studeudent. I really enjoy doing that, but I’m >not >suppuppose to do so, my college is suppose to train them about it. >Just >to let you know, my DSS adviser doesn’t„¢t coperate with me in >giving my >assignments in Braill, and I have a lot of issues with her. >>However, even though I have many issues with her, I would like to >inform >her about these workshops, and I actually would like to start >one in my >college. That is why I ask yu for the contacts and who can >I talk about >this. Also, could you tell me the name of yur college? >Just curious! I >will really appreciate it a lot, if yu could help me >and give me some >suggestions regarding this. >Hope to hear from yu >soon! >Thanks so much and God bless!! >P.S. By the way, if you want you can >contact me on the list, or off list. >Whatever yu prefer Ok? Thanks >again for all your time!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pgradioman%40hotmail.com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Mon Jan 13 16:04:32 2014 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 08:04:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically Message-ID: Hi all, I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? Thanks, everyone! Lucy From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:08:40 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:08:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically Message-ID: <52d40f9f.4e24e00a.46c2.3b71@mx.google.com> Hi Lucy hope you are doing well. Your friend should think about getting a mount batten for her daughter. I believe they are available from Humanware. My former TVI told me that these are great for someone who is just learning braille. I think she might have to braille the books in grade one for her daughter. From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:12:11 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:12:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Lucy, Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know how to contact me. Ryan On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning > Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. > My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to > blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 > Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best > provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. > Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to > switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? > > Thanks, everyone! > > Lucy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From louvins at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 16:26:36 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:26:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi. I agree with Ryan. I'd say that most if not all braille displays will work and can be set to read grade one braille. However, it might be harder to find braille books in grade one. This would be very expensive, but I'm pretty sure you could get a program like duxbury, set it to translate to grade one braille, and set an embosser to emboss in grade one braille, then any document you would emboss would be done in grade one braille. On 1/13/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Lucy, > > Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one > braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most > devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know how to > contact me. > > Ryan > > On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning >> Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. >> My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to >> blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 >> Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best >> provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. >> Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to >> switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? >> >> Thanks, everyone! >> >> Lucy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 19:15:45 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 11:15:45 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Now Accepting Applications for the Empowering Blind Students in Science and Engineering Workshop Message-ID: Hi all, Are you pursuing a career in Science, Technology, Engineering, or Math (STEM)? Are you interested in meeting other blind people just like you? Apply to attend the Empowering Blind Students in Science and Engineering workshop! This amazing opportunity will allow blind and visually impaired students to: • Attend presentations on professional development and accessibility • Be mentored by successful blind STEM professionals • Network with industry, government, and education leaders • And meet blind students pursuing STEM just like you! • Who: Blind high school and college students pursuing STEM careers • When: Monday and Tuesday, June 2 and 3, 2014 • Where: Seattle, WA Applicants must be at least 18 years old by the date of the workshop. We will select approximately 15 applicants, and they will receive an expenses-paid trip. See our website for the application and more details. Our URL is: http://ebsse.cs.washington.edu/ This workshop is organized by Professor Richard Ladner at the University of Washington and sponsored by The Fetzer Institute. Email your questions to the workshop contact, Cynthia Bennett, at bennec3 at cs.washington.edu. Word and PDF versions of the flyer are attached. 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Renegade Radio is about to provide you with some Monday night entertainment, as The Djd Invasion takes over the controllled chaos of RR, and gives you some musical magic. I'm in the mood for some a cappella toonage, so you'll hear some of that, along with some new songs I was introduced to, and more. The show starts at 7 PM eastern and goes til 10PM eastern. Because my getting home from my trip was slightly delayed, we'll have to go one more week without the request page, but I can still be contacted Via twitter at ddunphyradio Via the renegade twitter at renegaderebelz Via skype at daviddunphyradio Via telephone at 516-945-9165 And you can listen in at http://www.daviddunphyradio.com with our accessible web player, or listen in via renegade directly at http://renegaderadio.us/tune-in I hope you'll join me for some Monday night music and fun before Jazzy J's playground. So be there starting at 7 PM eastern on Renegade. Hope to see you all there! From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Mon Jan 13 22:10:44 2014 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 22:10:44 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Fix WIA Wednesday In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Federationists: > > > Over the summer the Workforce Investment Act (WIA) S. 1356 was passed by > the Health, Education, Labor and Pensions (HELP) Committee. We have been > told that this bill may be coming to the Senate floor for a vote soon, and > it is being pre-conferenced with members of the U.S. House of > Representatives. There are aspects of this bill that we need the Senate to > fix before it becomes law. > > > > We are designating this Wednesday, January 15, 2014 as #FixWIA Wednesday. > We are respectfully requesting that you call, email, fax, tweet, or > Facebook your Members of Congress expressing your feelings about WIA (S. > 1356). Please use the hash tag #FixWIA with all of your social media > messaging. > > > > As the saying goes: "nothing about us, without us" –if we do not act now, > the discriminatory language in Section 511 of Title V., and the misguided > relocation of the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) will become > the law of the land. Let your voices be heard. Contact your Members of > Congress. > > > > Read the Fix WIA blog post at: https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/fix-wia to > get more information about the issue, and get ready to #FixWIA on this > Wednesday, January 15, 2014. Additional information will be sent soon. > > > > Thank you, > > > > Rose > _______________________________________________ > Nabs-presidents mailing list > Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-presidents_nfbnet.org From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 23:06:39 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:06:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically Message-ID: <52d471bb.741dec0a.07bf.37f4@mx.google.com> If your friend uses a braille notetaker, she won't have to get books specifically in Grade 1. I switched the setting on my Apex to grade 1, entered a book I'd downloaded from Bookshare, and it came out in grade 1. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: Hi Lucy, Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know how to contact me. Ryan On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: Hi all, I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? Thanks, everyone! Lucy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Mon Jan 13 23:39:52 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 18:39:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically In-Reply-To: <52d471bb.741dec0a.07bf.37f4@mx.google.com> References: <52d471bb.741dec0a.07bf.37f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I want to echo what Sophie said--you don't need to specifically get a book in grade one braille. A note taker can switch between the grades very easily. Minh On 1/13/14, Sophie Trist wrote: > If your friend uses a braille notetaker, she won't have to get > books specifically in Grade 1. I switched the setting on my Apex > to grade 1, entered a book I'd downloaded from Bookshare, and it > came out in grade 1. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Joshua Hendrickson To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:26:36 -0600 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically > > Hi. I agree with Ryan. I'd say that most if not all braille > displays > will work and can be set to read grade one braille. However, it > might > be harder to find braille books in grade one. This would be very > expensive, but I'm pretty sure you could get a program like > duxbury, > set it to translate to grade one braille, and set an embosser to > emboss in grade one braille, then any document you would emboss > would > be done in grade one braille. > > On 1/13/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Lucy, > > Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one > braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most > devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know > how to > contact me. > > Ryan > > On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: > Hi all, > > I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning > Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. > My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to > blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 > Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best > provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. > Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to > switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? > > Thanks, everyone! > > Lucy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei > ra%40gmail.com > > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma > il.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 00:12:01 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 19:12:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where Do I find the Students Lawyers List Message-ID: <6416CC64-0269-45C6-B0A4-80797CD0C8DA@gmail.com> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do you know where I can find the students Lawyers list? I'm just wondering, since I am studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to be part of them. Are some of you part of them? Just curious!! :) I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) iSent from my iPhone From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 00:21:09 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 17:21:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Where Do I find the Students Lawyers List In-Reply-To: <6416CC64-0269-45C6-B0A4-80797CD0C8DA@gmail.com> References: <6416CC64-0269-45C6-B0A4-80797CD0C8DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Helga, I think there's a list called BlindLaw on NFBNet at www.nfbnet.org Best, Arielle On 1/13/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do you > know where I can find the students Lawyers list? I'm just wondering, since I > am studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to be part of > them. Are some of you part of them? Just curious!! :) I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) iSent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 01:17:24 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:17:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where Do I find the Students Lawyers List In-Reply-To: References: <6416CC64-0269-45C6-B0A4-80797CD0C8DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8318F432-9B72-49AD-97B7-49B1A66896D2@gmail.com> Yes there is. This list is sponsored by our national Association of blind lawyers. It's not only for students but for professional lawyers as well. Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 13, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi Helga, > > I think there's a list called BlindLaw on NFBNet at > www.nfbnet.org > Best, > Arielle > >> On 1/13/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> >> >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do you >> know where I can find the students Lawyers list? I'm just wondering, since I >> am studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to be part of >> them. Are some of you part of them? Just curious!! :) I will really >> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions >> regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) iSent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 01:47:49 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 20:47:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Where Do I find the Students Lawyers List In-Reply-To: References: <6416CC64-0269-45C6-B0A4-80797CD0C8DA@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00EDB10B4B664749B25C785DD80306F3@Helga> Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Thanks so much for giving me the info about the Blind Law Lawyers List. I actually find it on the nfbnet.org site. And I actually became a member of them. Thanks so much and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 7:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Where Do I find the Students Lawyers List Hi Helga, I think there's a list called BlindLaw on NFBNet at www.nfbnet.org Best, Arielle On 1/13/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do you > know where I can find the students Lawyers list? I'm just wondering, since > I > am studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to be part of > them. Are some of you part of them? Just curious!! :) I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) iSent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From rosesloan920 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 14:58:01 2014 From: rosesloan920 at gmail.com (Rose Sloan) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:58:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Tomorrow is Fix WIA Wednesday! Sample Email to Send to Senators Message-ID: *Federationists**:* On Wednesday, January 15, 2014 we need to tell our Senators that it is time to #FixWIA. Below is the email I plan to send to my Senators. I encourage you to use this letter as a template (or create your own) to inform your Senators about the problems with WIA. Thanks for all of your work. Let’s get this done! Rose ####### Dear Senator Durbin, I am writing to voice my concerns about S. 1356, the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA). Although I know the reauthorization of WIA is overdue, I just cannot support the current bill as it is written. During the 1990s, the disability community fought really hard for language that would *not *allow a vocational rehabilitation case to be closed by a placement in a sheltered workshop. The current bill language of Section 511, a controversial section among the disability community, will allow vocational rehabilitation counselors to successfully close cases by placing their clients in subminimum-wage sheltered workshops. Subminimum-wage sheltered work does not come close to adequately training people with disabilities for mainstream competitive employment. In fact, research shows that people with disabilities have to *unlearn *the habits taught in sheltered workshops in order to get a mainstream job. Ninety-five percent of people with disabilities who enter sheltered workshops never obtain the employment they are being “trained” for. In other words, once a person with disability is placed in a sheltered workshop, their full potential is almost never reached. They must remain on public assistance for the rest of their lives. I am also concerned with the bill language moving the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. There is no research that shows this move will improve the efficiency and outcomes of the RSA. It is important to keep in mind that everyone needs an education before he/she obtains a job. For many, this education comes in the form of college and/or graduate school. For people with severe disabilities, this might mean having access to quality rehabilitation services to develop their unique skills and talents. This process is an educational process—RSA should stay in the Department of Education. Senator Durbin, I need your help. Please consider offering an amendment that will strike Section 511 of Title V of WIA, and remove the language that transfers RSA from Education to Labor. Thank you. I look forward to hearing from you soon. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to reach me at rsloan at nfb.org. Sincerely, Rose Sloan From slabarre at labarrelaw.com Tue Jan 14 16:06:34 2014 From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 09:06:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Student Connect 2014 Student Seminar In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <018101cf1142$98f0def0$cad29cd0$@labarrelaw.com> In case you haven't seen this announcement. From: Jessica Beecham [mailto:jbeecham at cocenter.org] Sent: Monday, January 13, 2014 5:00 PM To: Jessica Beecham Subject: Student Connect 2014 Student Seminar Hello Everyone Colorado Association of Blind Students and the Colorado Center for the Blind are pleased to announce Student Connect 2014, our hugely dynamic and energetic student seminar. Attached and below you will find a Save the Date document with conference information. Please pass this information along to any and every blind and visually impaired student you know. This seminar will be a great way for students to network, gain information, learn about scholarships, experience Colorado, and have FUN! For more information please feel free to contact Antonio Rozier at arozier at cocenter.org. Colorado Association of Blind Students and the Colorado Center for the Blind Present Student Connect 2014 Western States Seminar April 10-13, 2014 Connect to build success in the classroom and beyond! What happens when you get a group of intelligent, enthusiastic, and ambitious blind students from across the western United States together for a weekend? You have a MIND BLOWING Student Connect 2014 Western States Seminar where students gain information about tools and resources, learn to network, brainstorm creative solutions to common problems facing blind students, and HAVE FUN! Join the Colorado Association of Blind Students at Connect 2014 on April 10-13 for the year's most dynamic student seminar in the Western United States. Seminar sessions will be held at the Colorado Center for the Blind in Littleton Colorado. There will be presentations and information about all aspects of college. From the high-school transition to graduation and finding a job, from the classroom to the intermural sports field, we will address all the tough questions about how to be a successful college student. Our hotel room block is available at the Hampton Inn, Highlands Ranch located at 3095 W. County Line Rd. Littleton, CO 80129. Room rates are $89.00 per night regardless of occupancy number. There is FREE hotel shuttle within a 5 -mile radius of the hotel including the CCB. Make your reservation NO LATER THAN March 10, 2014 by calling 855-261-5567. Mention that you are with the Colorado Association of Blind Students Student Seminar to receive the 89.00 room rate. DO NOT wait! Make your reservations today! Registration will be $50 and will include Friday lunch, Saturday Lunch, and Saturday dinner. To REGISTER or get more information contact Antonio Rozier at arozier at cocenter.org. You can also call 404-376-5661. CONNECT! ? CONNECT to the latest innovations in science, technology, math, and science for blind students. ? CONNECT to scholarships, employment and internship opportunities, and blind professionals. ? CONNECT to the largest network of blind students in the United States! Best Wishes Jessica Beecham Chapter and Community Development Coordinator National Federation of the Blind of Colorado 303-778-1130 x 223 720-440-2632 Jbeecham at cocenter.org Www.nfbco.org -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I encourage you to use this letter as a template (or create your own) to inform your Senators about the problems with WIA. Thanks for all of your work. Let’s get this done! Rose ####### Dear Senator Durbin, I am writing to voice my concerns about S. 1356, the reauthorization of the Workforce Investment Act (WIA). Although I know the reauthorization of WIA is overdue, I just cannot support the current bill as it is written. During the 1990s, the disability community fought really hard for language that would *not *allow a vocational rehabilitation case to be closed by a placement in a sheltered workshop. The current bill language of Section 511, a controversial section among the disability community, will allow vocational rehabilitation counselors to successfully close cases by placing their clients in subminimum-wage sheltered workshops. Subminimum-wage sheltered work does not come close to adequately training people with disabilities for mainstream competitive employment. In fact, research shows that people with disabilities have to *unlearn *the habits taught in sheltered workshops in order to get a mainstream job. Ninety-five percent of people with disabilities who enter sheltered workshops never obtain the employment they are being “trained” for. In other words, once a person with disability is placed in a sheltered workshop, their full potential is almost never reached. They must remain on public assistance for the rest of their lives. I am also concerned with the bill language moving the Rehabilitation Services Administration (RSA) from the Department of Education to the Department of Labor. There is no research that shows this move will improve the efficiency and outcomes of the RSA. It is important to keep in mind that everyone needs an education before he/she obtains a job. For many, this education comes in the form of college and/or graduate school. For people with severe disabilities, this might mean having access to quality rehabilitation services to develop their unique skills and talents. This process is an educational process—RSA should stay in the Department of Education. Senator Durbin, I need your help. Please consider offering an amendment that will strike Section 511 of Title V of WIA, and remove the language that transfers RSA from Education to Labor. Thank you. I look forward to hearing from you soon. If you have any questions or concerns, feel free to reach me at rsloan at nfb.org. Sincerely, Rose Sloan _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -Darian Smith From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 20:36:51 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:36:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically In-Reply-To: References: <52d471bb.741dec0a.07bf.37f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi, There are some excellent sources of grade 1 books for children, including Seedlings, APH, and NBP. I don't know if this program is still active, but when I was a kid my mom signed me up to receive 1 book from APH a month. I know I started receiving them in grade 1, then switched the subscription to grade 2 once I was ready for it. Any braille notetaker or display will work. Bookshare is a valuable resource when using these displays (not to mention free for students). Most of the bookshare books are in very high quality too. On 1/13/14, minh ha wrote: > I want to echo what Sophie said--you don't need to specifically get a > book in grade one braille. A note taker can switch between the grades > very easily. > Minh > > On 1/13/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >> If your friend uses a braille notetaker, she won't have to get >> books specifically in Grade 1. I switched the setting on my Apex >> to grade 1, entered a book I'd downloaded from Bookshare, and it >> came out in grade 1. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Joshua Hendrickson > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:26:36 -0600 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically >> >> Hi. I agree with Ryan. I'd say that most if not all braille >> displays >> will work and can be set to read grade one braille. However, it >> might >> be harder to find braille books in grade one. This would be very >> expensive, but I'm pretty sure you could get a program like >> duxbury, >> set it to translate to grade one braille, and set an embosser to >> emboss in grade one braille, then any document you would emboss >> would >> be done in grade one braille. >> >> On 1/13/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Lucy, >> >> Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one >> braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most >> devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know >> how to >> contact me. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning >> Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. >> My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to >> blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 >> Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best >> provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. >> Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to >> switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? >> >> Thanks, everyone! >> >> Lucy >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >> ra%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> info for >> nabs-l: >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >> il.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >> r%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 14 20:56:08 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:56:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically In-Reply-To: References: <52d471bb.741dec0a.07bf.37f4@mx.google.com> Message-ID: I think the APH program is still running. Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:36 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi, > > There are some excellent sources of grade 1 books for children, > including Seedlings, APH, and NBP. I don't know if this program is > still active, but when I was a kid my mom signed me up to receive 1 > book from APH a month. I know I started receiving them in grade 1, > then switched the subscription to grade 2 once I was ready for it. > > Any braille notetaker or display will work. Bookshare is a valuable > resource when using these displays (not to mention free for students). > Most of the bookshare books are in very high quality too. > > On 1/13/14, minh ha wrote: >> I want to echo what Sophie said--you don't need to specifically get a >> book in grade one braille. A note taker can switch between the grades >> very easily. >> Minh >> >> On 1/13/14, Sophie Trist wrote: >>> If your friend uses a braille notetaker, she won't have to get >>> books specifically in Grade 1. I switched the setting on my Apex >>> to grade 1, entered a book I'd downloaded from Bookshare, and it >>> came out in grade 1. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: Joshua Hendrickson >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> >> Date sent: Mon, 13 Jan 2014 10:26:36 -0600 >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically >>> >>> Hi. I agree with Ryan. I'd say that most if not all braille >>> displays >>> will work and can be set to read grade one braille. However, it >>> might >>> be harder to find braille books in grade one. This would be very >>> expensive, but I'm pretty sure you could get a program like >>> duxbury, >>> set it to translate to grade one braille, and set an embosser to >>> emboss in grade one braille, then any document you would emboss >>> would >>> be done in grade one braille. >>> >>> On 1/13/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Hi Lucy, >>> >>> Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one >>> braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most >>> devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know >>> how to >>> contact me. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: >>> Hi all, >>> >>> I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning >>> Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. >>> My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to >>> blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 >>> Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best >>> provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. >>> Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to >>> switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? >>> >>> Thanks, everyone! >>> >>> Lucy >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei >>> ra%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>> info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma >>> il.com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade >>> r%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From lucysirianni at earthlink.net Tue Jan 14 21:00:05 2014 From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 13:00:05 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading grade 1 Braille electronically Message-ID: Thanks, all, for the responses! Yes, I'm a Bookshare user myself (and a huge fan of the service), but I haven't been able to figure out how to tell my friend to access Bookshare books in grade 1. Using my BrailleNote Apex, I can get the prompts displayed by the BrailleNote itself in grade 1, but not the actual books. Is there some setting that needs to be changed? Again, thanks to all for the input; I will certainly pass your advice along to my friend! Lucy ----- Original Message ----- From: Kaiti Shelton wrote: I want to echo what Sophie said--you don't need to specifically get a book in grade one braille. A note taker can switch between the grades very easily. Minh On 1/13/14, Sophie Trist wrote: If your friend uses a braille notetaker, she won't have to get books specifically in Grade 1. I switched the setting on my Apex to grade 1, entered a book I'd downloaded from Bookshare, and it came out in grade 1. ----- Original Message ----- From: Joshua Hendrickson wrote: Hi Lucy, Yes, you can use any notetaker or braille display in grade one braille. In fact, that is usually the default setting for most devices. If you need/want help on a specific device, you know how to contact me. Ryan On 1/13/14, Lucy Sirianni wrote: Hi all, I have a friend whose daughter is blind and learning Braille, despite some very frustrating resistance from her TVI. My friend's daughter has some disabilities in addition to blindness and because of them will likely primarily read grade 1 Braille. My friend is wondering, therefore, how she can best provide her daughter with grade 1 Braille in electronic format. Are there Braille note-takers or displays that make it easier to switch to grade 1, especially for reading books? Thanks, everyone! Lucy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gma il.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 gmail.com -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarine t104%40gmail.com -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lucysirianni% 40earthlink.net From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 14 21:02:55 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:02:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I had it plugged in all weekend, and like I said in a message after the one belough, I gott it to charge. I left it plugged in all weekend. I unplugged it for school yesterday, and when I plugged it in, I could not get it to charge. Same thing today. Luckily, it is 85 percent. Sent from my iPad On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Bridget Walker wrote: > Hi Mikayla, > Are you using the ac or USB adapter? > The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. > I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. > If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. > On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. > Have you tried using the ac adapter? > Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? > HTH > Sorry it took so long > Bridget > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >> Hello, >> Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! >> Sincerely, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 14 21:08:01 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:08:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I just pushed hard on the charger again, and I saw the charging indicator again, but it disappeared again. I think that some thing is wrong with my charger. What do you think? Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > I had it plugged in all weekend, and like I said in a message after the one belough, I gott it to charge. I left it plugged in all weekend. I unplugged it for school yesterday, and when I plugged it in, I could not get it to charge. Same thing today. Luckily, it is 85 percent. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Bridget Walker wrote: > >> Hi Mikayla, >> Are you using the ac or USB adapter? >> The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. >> I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. >> If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. >> On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. >> Have you tried using the ac adapter? >> Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? >> HTH >> Sorry it took so long >> Bridget >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>> >>> Hello, >>> Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! >>> Sincerely, >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 21:13:53 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:13:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems Message-ID: <52d5a8ab.4733310a.40d5.fffff125@mx.google.com> Hi Mikayla my name is Roanna Bacchus. Try calling the company that you got the braille display from. Maybe they can help you with this problem. From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 22:38:28 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:38:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8F1DA34A-3336-43B9-A3D2-0D0A6BD24AF0@gmail.com> Hi Mikayla, Take a look at your charger cable? Is any part of it frayed or damaged in some way? Look at the shole cable (the wire and the end that goes into your Focus). It’s possible there could be a short. It may not be noticeable, but looking at the cable, you might be able to tell. If there is a short, you’ll have to call the lovely folks at Freedom Scientific and ask for a new charger. Hope this helps. Ryan On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > I just pushed hard on the charger again, and I saw the charging indicator again, but it disappeared again. I think that some thing is wrong with my charger. What do you think? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> I had it plugged in all weekend, and like I said in a message after the one belough, I gott it to charge. I left it plugged in all weekend. I unplugged it for school yesterday, and when I plugged it in, I could not get it to charge. Same thing today. Luckily, it is 85 percent. >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Bridget Walker wrote: >> >>> Hi Mikayla, >>> Are you using the ac or USB adapter? >>> The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. >>> I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. >>> If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. >>> On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. >>> Have you tried using the ac adapter? >>> Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? >>> HTH >>> Sorry it took so long >>> Bridget >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, >>>> Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! >>>> Sincerely, >>>> Mikayla >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 23:02:02 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:02:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] If you have ever experienced inaccessible technology in college, we need your help! Message-ID: Dear Members, My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS). NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, Education, and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist for the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind student’s experiences with higher education. We are contacting you because we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district in the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Our current push for stories is so they can be used during Washington Seminar, so we need them by Wednesday, January 22! In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for electronic instructional materials and related information technologies used by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide guidelines for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions of higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And that’s where you come in! We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility guidelines would/would have helped you. Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com by Wednesday, January 22. Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in a different congressional district from the district in which you go to school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it up here. http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the next page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are listed like this. Zip code: 98121 is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, and you can call your congressperson’s office and tell your story. This will show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly affected by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very important as members of congress work for their constituents! Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment with your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact them on your own! Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent students that you know! Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at LMcLarney at nfb.org. We look forward to receiving your stories! Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 23:29:08 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:29:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: If you have ever experienced inaccessible technology in college, we need your help! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Please read and assist! This is a wonderful chance for us as students to make true change for ourselves and for blind students like ourselves; what we do as federationests! (please forgive any re-posts on my part) ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Cindy Bennett Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:02:02 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] If you have ever experienced inaccessible technology in college, we need your help! To: National Asociation of Blind Students Cc: nabs presidents list , North Carolina Association of Blind Students Dear Members, My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS). NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, Education, and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist for the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind student’s experiences with higher education. We are contacting you because we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district in the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Our current push for stories is so they can be used during Washington Seminar, so we need them by Wednesday, January 22! In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for electronic instructional materials and related information technologies used by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide guidelines for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions of higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And that’s where you come in! We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility guidelines would/would have helped you. Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com by Wednesday, January 22. Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in a different congressional district from the district in which you go to school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it up here. http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the next page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are listed like this. Zip code: 98121 is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, and you can call your congressperson’s office and tell your story. This will show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly affected by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very important as members of congress work for their constituents! Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment with your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact them on your own! Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent students that you know! Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at LMcLarney at nfb.org. We look forward to receiving your stories! Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -Darian Smith From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 23:39:49 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:39:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Create Folders inside the Dropbox Folder Message-ID: <2A6D9CF76E264E75AE39AEF4B85FEA83@Helga> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, could anyone here tell me the steps in how I can create a folder, or folders in side my Dropbox folder? I actually would like to save some documents in a folder within the Dropbox folder! Is it possible to do that? And also, can you save a document into a folder inside the dropbox folder, and then see the document inside the folder within the Dropbox folder from the iPhone? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 23:46:28 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 15:46:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Create Folders inside the Dropbox Folder In-Reply-To: <2A6D9CF76E264E75AE39AEF4B85FEA83@Helga> References: <2A6D9CF76E264E75AE39AEF4B85FEA83@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Helga, if you are using windows, you can use a standard Windows command to create a new folder in Dropbox just as you would if you were in My Documents, My Music, etc. Just press alt-f to get into the file menu, the letter w, and then you will be in the new submenu. The option to create a new folder will be first, JAWS will say "folder" Then press enter. What I have found is that if you start typing the name of the folder immediately after doing this, the folder name will populate. If you accidentally move your curssor or do something weird, find the folder labeled "new" or "unknown" in some cases, right click by pressing shift-f10, and arrow up to "rename." You will then be placed in an edit box where you can edit the name of the folder. Press enter when you are done typing the name. You can create folders inside of folders inside of folders to your heart's content. On the iPhone, the parent folders, the folders located in the Dropbox folder itself, will appear in a list when you open the Dropbox app. And just as you would press enter on the folder you want to open when using JAWS, you would double tap the desired folder to get to the folders and/or files inside. Folders within folders will appear in the same way on your iPhone as they do on Dropbox. Cindy On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, could > anyone here tell me the steps in how I can create a folder, or folders in > side my Dropbox folder? I actually would like to save some documents in a > folder within the Dropbox folder! Is it possible to do that? And also, can > you save a document into a folder inside the dropbox folder, and then see > the document inside the folder within the Dropbox folder from the iPhone? > Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and > give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God bless!! -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From zdreicer at gmail.com Tue Jan 14 23:53:09 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:53:09 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Create Folders inside the Dropbox Folder In-Reply-To: <2A6D9CF76E264E75AE39AEF4B85FEA83@Helga> References: <2A6D9CF76E264E75AE39AEF4B85FEA83@Helga> Message-ID: Hello! These are all possible, are you using a Windows or a Mac computer? Thank you. Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Jan 14, 2014, at 16:39, wrote: > > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, could anyone here tell me the steps in how I can create a folder, or folders in side my Dropbox folder? I actually would like to save some documents in a folder within the Dropbox folder! Is it possible to do that? And also, can you save a document into a folder inside the dropbox folder, and then see the document inside the folder within the Dropbox folder from the iPhone? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 14 23:56:57 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 18:56:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Focus 40 Problems In-Reply-To: <8F1DA34A-3336-43B9-A3D2-0D0A6BD24AF0@gmail.com> References: <8F1DA34A-3336-43B9-A3D2-0D0A6BD24AF0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <70248620-C792-490B-85C6-3D0633746016@icloud.com> I had my parents check for me, and they didn't see anything. Thank you! Sent from my iPad On Jan 14, 2014, at 5:38 PM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Mikayla, > > Take a look at your charger cable? Is any part of it frayed or damaged in some way? Look at the shole cable (the wire and the end that goes into your Focus). It’s possible there could be a short. It may not be noticeable, but looking at the cable, you might be able to tell. If there is a short, you’ll have to call the lovely folks at Freedom Scientific and ask for a new charger. Hope this helps. > > > Ryan > > On Jan 14, 2014, at 3:08 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> I just pushed hard on the charger again, and I saw the charging indicator again, but it disappeared again. I think that some thing is wrong with my charger. What do you think? >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> On Jan 14, 2014, at 4:02 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >>> I had it plugged in all weekend, and like I said in a message after the one belough, I gott it to charge. I left it plugged in all weekend. I unplugged it for school yesterday, and when I plugged it in, I could not get it to charge. Same thing today. Luckily, it is 85 percent. >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On Jan 13, 2014, at 12:38 AM, Bridget Walker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Mikayla, >>>> Are you using the ac or USB adapter? >>>> The display will not charge if it is set up with jaws. >>>> I mean if you are using the display with jaws on USB. >>>> If you plug the display in after you start jaws and you received the message jaws could not find the display it should work. >>>> On the display when connected to USB without jaws it should say focus 40 charging and the percent. >>>> Have you tried using the ac adapter? >>>> Are you having problems with the ac adapter charging? >>>> HTH >>>> Sorry it took so long >>>> Bridget >>>> Sent from my iPad >>>> >>>>> On Jan 11, 2014, at 4:25 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello, >>>>> Does anyone on this list have a Focus 40 Braille display? I use it for school. It does not seem to be charging. It does not have the charging indicator, and is not charging. I am going to email Freedom Scientific, but want to see if anyone has had this experience and what they did. Thank you in advance! >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> Mikayla >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPad >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu Wed Jan 15 00:06:36 2014 From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:06:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?Workshop=3A_Create_an_Advertising_Direc?= =?windows-1252?q?tory_=96_NABS_Membership_Committee?= Message-ID: Colleagues: So, we have an idea. We’re putting on a student seminar, a student division social, or a fun activity at the state convention. We know how to run it, who will speak, what kind of food we want, but now…how do we get people to attend? Who do we invite? How do we spread the word? We once struggled with these questions in the North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and we devised a solution: create an advertising directory for our state. With four people working on the project for only about two months, we realized that it was, in fact, possible. The system is simple. A division can create a directory of disability contacts at all universities, community colleges, and trade schools in its state. As soon as we had organized this directory, advertising our events became much simpler. We did it all in Microsoft Excel, too. The NABS Membership Committee will be hosting a series of conference call workshops, which I will lead, where we will explain and discuss how to organize and best use an advertising directory for student division events in your state. The first of these conference call workshops will be held: Monday, January 20 9:00 PM eastern Dial (605) 475-6700 Enter access code 7869673 We will announce further advertising directory workshops soon. I look forward to talking with many on Monday. If you have any questions, please email me directly at . Yours, Justin Salisbury President Connecticut Association of Blind Students From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 00:14:53 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 16:14:53 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?Fwd=3A__Workshop=3A_Create_an_Advertisi?= =?windows-1252?q?ng_Directory_=96_NABS_Membership_Committee?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Justin Salisbury Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:06:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Workshop: Create an Advertising Directory – NABS Membership Committee To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" , "List for NABS State Presidents (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org)" , "ctabs at nfbnet.org" , Wisconsin Association of Blind Students List , "Massachusetts Association of Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org)" Colleagues: So, we have an idea. We’re putting on a student seminar, a student division social, or a fun activity at the state convention. We know how to run it, who will speak, what kind of food we want, but now…how do we get people to attend? Who do we invite? How do we spread the word? We once struggled with these questions in the North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and we devised a solution: create an advertising directory for our state. With four people working on the project for only about two months, we realized that it was, in fact, possible. The system is simple. A division can create a directory of disability contacts at all universities, community colleges, and trade schools in its state. As soon as we had organized this directory, advertising our events became much simpler. We did it all in Microsoft Excel, too. The NABS Membership Committee will be hosting a series of conference call workshops, which I will lead, where we will explain and discuss how to organize and best use an advertising directory for student division events in your state. The first of these conference call workshops will be held: Monday, January 20 9:00 PM eastern Dial (605) 475-6700 Enter access code 7869673 We will announce further advertising directory workshops soon. I look forward to talking with many on Monday. If you have any questions, please email me directly at . Yours, Justin Salisbury President Connecticut Association of Blind Students _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com -- Darian Smith Text the word BLIND to 85944 to donate $10 to the NFB Imagination Fund via your phone bill. The time is now to eliminate Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities http://www.nfb.org/fairwages “We know not of our future, but we know of our past. A past that is made up of our ancestor’s Dreams, their stories and hopes. These sights once seen, sounds heard and emotions felt are now our knowledge. The knowledge that guides us to this very moment…” -Darian Smith From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 02:00:38 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:00:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Workshop=3A_Create_an_Advertising_Directory_?= =?utf-8?q?=E2=80=93_NABS_Membership_Committee?= In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <861372C9-B938-4599-BE58-CEBD5604B4B6@gmail.com> Justin, Thank you for passing this information along and for organizing this seminar. I will definitely attend and have forwarded your message to the rest of the board of the Maryland student division in hopes that we will have a good showing. Talk with you Monday. Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 14, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Justin Salisbury wrote: > > Colleagues: > > So, we have an idea. We’re putting on a student seminar, a student division social, or a fun activity at the state convention. We know how to run it, who will speak, what kind of food we want, but now…how do we get people to attend? Who do we invite? How do we spread the word? > > We once struggled with these questions in the North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and we devised a solution: create an advertising directory for our state. With four people working on the project for only about two months, we realized that it was, in fact, possible. > > The system is simple. A division can create a directory of disability contacts at all universities, community colleges, and trade schools in its state. As soon as we had organized this directory, advertising our events became much simpler. We did it all in Microsoft Excel, too. > > The NABS Membership Committee will be hosting a series of conference call workshops, which I will lead, where we will explain and discuss how to organize and best use an advertising directory for student division events in your state. > > The first of these conference call workshops will be held: > > Monday, January 20 > 9:00 PM eastern > Dial (605) 475-6700 > Enter access code 7869673 > > We will announce further advertising directory workshops soon. I look forward to talking with many on Monday. If you have any questions, please email me directly at . > > Yours, > > Justin Salisbury > President > Connecticut Association of Blind Students > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 03:46:11 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 22:46:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS Message-ID: Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal Budget Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, is actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to right, instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And I actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them indepently, instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I will really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going > down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case > when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And I > actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them indepently, > instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I will > really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some > suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God > bless!! From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 04:37:58 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:37:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Really? I really didn't know about that? Also, I just wanted to tell you that the Charts that I need to read are on Blackboard, and in PDF format, and JAWS can't read them at all. JAWS always keeps saying Document Unavailable. What do you think I should do with the tables chaarts? Do you think I should put them in Microsoft Word even though they don't look good because they get mess up? What do you do in this cases? just curious! Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS Hi Helga, You can read many tables from left to right by using alt+control+left arrow to move to the left or alt+control+right arrow to move to the right. The up and down arrow keys work the same way. Best, Arielle On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you > guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my > Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal > Budget > Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, > is > actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to right, > instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going > down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case > when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And > I > actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them > indepently, > instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I > will > really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some > suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God > bless!! _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 04:47:06 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 21:47:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS In-Reply-To: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> References: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> Message-ID: You can try right-clicking on the PDF link and then going to "save target as" and see if that will let you save the PDF to your computer. If JAWS is saying document unavailable, then either there is something weird about the link, or the PDF is scanned and not accessible. You could try saving the PDF to your computer and then sending it as an attachment to RoboBraille at convert at robobraille.org to have it converted to Word. RoboBraille usually does a pretty good job of keeping the table formatting right. If you don't have a way to save the PDF to your computer from Blackboard, could you have your professor email it to you instead and then you can forward it on to RoboBraille? Arielle On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Really? I really didn't know about that? Also, I > > just wanted to tell you that the Charts that I need to read are on > Blackboard, and in PDF format, and JAWS can't read them at all. JAWS always > > keeps saying Document Unavailable. What do you think I should do with the > tables chaarts? Do you think I should put them in Microsoft Word even though > > they don't look good because they get mess up? What do you do in this cases? > > just curious! Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS > > Hi Helga, > > You can read many tables from left to right by using alt+control+left > arrow to move to the left or alt+control+right arrow to move to the > right. The up and down arrow keys work the same way. > Best, > Arielle > > On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > wrote: >> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you >> guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my >> Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal >> Budget >> Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, >> is >> actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to >> right, >> instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going >> down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case >> when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And >> >> I >> actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them >> indepently, >> instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I >> will >> really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some >> suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God >> bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 04:56:30 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2014 23:56:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS In-Reply-To: References: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> Message-ID: <57AEDF06C2D246EA9A88CC57920EF8BF@Helga> Hi Arielle, this is Helga. How does Robot Braille work in order to convert PDF to Word? What are the steps in order to do so? Just curious! I actually never used Robot Braille before. this is actually my first time! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS You can try right-clicking on the PDF link and then going to "save target as" and see if that will let you save the PDF to your computer. If JAWS is saying document unavailable, then either there is something weird about the link, or the PDF is scanned and not accessible. You could try saving the PDF to your computer and then sending it as an attachment to RoboBraille at convert at robobraille.org to have it converted to Word. RoboBraille usually does a pretty good job of keeping the table formatting right. If you don't have a way to save the PDF to your computer from Blackboard, could you have your professor email it to you instead and then you can forward it on to RoboBraille? Arielle On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Really? I really didn't know about that? Also, > I > > just wanted to tell you that the Charts that I need to read are on > Blackboard, and in PDF format, and JAWS can't read them at all. JAWS > always > > keeps saying Document Unavailable. What do you think I should do with the > tables chaarts? Do you think I should put them in Microsoft Word even > though > > they don't look good because they get mess up? What do you do in this > cases? > > just curious! Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS > > Hi Helga, > > You can read many tables from left to right by using alt+control+left > arrow to move to the left or alt+control+right arrow to move to the > right. The up and down arrow keys work the same way. > Best, > Arielle > > On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > wrote: >> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you >> guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my >> Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal >> Budget >> Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, >> is >> actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to >> right, >> instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going >> down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case >> when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And >> >> I >> actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them >> indepently, >> instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I >> will >> really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some >> suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God >> bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 05:32:38 2014 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:32:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Female seeking female roommate(s) for Wash Sem Message-ID: <03bf01cf11b3$35134ff0$9f39efd0$@gmail.com> Good evening, I have been contacted by a young woman who is seeking a female or group of females who have a room for Washington Seminar and would be interested in an additional roommate to reduce cost. If you are interested, please contact me and I will put you in touch. Thanks, Sean From wmodnl at hotmail.com Wed Jan 15 05:35:40 2014 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:35:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS In-Reply-To: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> References: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> Message-ID: If it is saying "document unavailable", you need to break open the image. Be sure to OCR it. If possible, run it through an assistive OCR program if you can not use the OCR option. You can only use this option with the full Adobe program. Hope this helps. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 14, 2014, at 11:38 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > > Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Really? I really didn't know about that? Also, I just wanted to tell you that the Charts that I need to read are on Blackboard, and in PDF format, and JAWS can't read them at all. JAWS always keeps saying Document Unavailable. What do you think I should do with the tables chaarts? Do you think I should put them in Microsoft Word even though they don't look good because they get mess up? What do you do in this cases? just curious! Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:25 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS > > Hi Helga, > > You can read many tables from left to right by using alt+control+left > arrow to move to the left or alt+control+right arrow to move to the > right. The up and down arrow keys work the same way. > Best, > Arielle > >> On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you >> guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my >> Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal Budget >> Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, is >> actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to right, >> instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going >> down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case >> when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And I >> actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them indepently, >> instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I will >> really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some >> suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God >> bless!! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 05:43:18 2014 From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 00:43:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] [Nabs-presidents] Female seeking female roommate(s) for Wash Sem In-Reply-To: <03bf01cf11b3$35134ff0$9f39efd0$@gmail.com> References: <03bf01cf11b3$35134ff0$9f39efd0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <03cc01cf11b4$b2ebb150$18c313f0$@gmail.com> And it would be helpful to have my contact info if you wish to contact me. Sorry, I don't know what happened to my email footer! 262 309-1034 Nabs.president at gmail.com -----Original Message----- From: Nabs-presidents [mailto:nabs-presidents-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 12:33 AM To: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [Nabs-presidents] Female seeking female roommate(s) for Wash Sem Good evening, I have been contacted by a young woman who is seeking a female or group of females who have a room for Washington Seminar and would be interested in an additional roommate to reduce cost. If you are interested, please contact me and I will put you in touch. Thanks, Sean _______________________________________________ Nabs-presidents mailing list Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-presidents_nfbnet.org From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jan 15 06:17:52 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 01:17:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS In-Reply-To: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> References: <38DA200E9A29412AAB410BBADF242140@Helga> Message-ID: <52DE675CD74E4B5D9B5D7BA7DC25E6CD@OwnerPC> helga, if it says that, it may be a scanned image. Ask your professor to send you the original file if they have it; sometimes they scan papers into the pc and they are images then. if this is still not accessible, just have someone describe the chart or graph. -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS Hi Arielle, this is Helga. Really? I really didn't know about that? Also, I just wanted to tell you that the Charts that I need to read are on Blackboard, and in PDF format, and JAWS can't read them at all. JAWS always keeps saying Document Unavailable. What do you think I should do with the tables chaarts? Do you think I should put them in Microsoft Word even though they don't look good because they get mess up? What do you do in this cases? just curious! Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2014 11:25 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading Tables Charts With JAWS Hi Helga, You can read many tables from left to right by using alt+control+left arrow to move to the left or alt+control+right arrow to move to the right. The up and down arrow keys work the same way. Best, Arielle On 1/14/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi all, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, can you > guys read tables Charts with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since for my > Introduction of American Government Class, I need to read a Federal > Budget > Tables Charts in order to complete an assignment for this week. However, > is > actually one problem, Federal Budget Table Chart info goes right to right, > instead of Up and down. And as you know JAWS reads tables or charts going > down, instead of going to the sides. What do you do in this kind of case > when your professor ask you to read a table chart for and assignment? And > I > actually need to read 6 charts! I really would like to read them > indepently, > instead of making one of my sighted family members read them to me. I > will > really appreciate it alot , if you could help me and give me some > suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. 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Director of Advocacy and Policy "Eliminating Subminimum Wages for People with Disabilities" http://www.nfb.org/fairwages NATIONAL FEDERATION OF THE BLIND 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 (410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice) (410) 685-5653 (FAX) Email: alewis at nfb.org Web: www.nfb.org Twitter: @anillife The National Federation of the Blind needs your support to ensure blind children get an equal education; to connect blind veterans with the training and services they need; and to help seniors who are losing vision continue to live independent and fulfilling lives. To make a donation, please go to www.nfb.org. From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Jan 15 22:45:42 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:45:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Message-ID: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Hi, I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? Best, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 23:16:04 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:16:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. Ryan On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 23:36:55 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:36:55 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Message-ID: <52d71ba2.01f6420a.3a2e.6651@mx.google.com> Turn on bluetooth and search for devices, type in the confirmation code on your i-pad ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart References: <52d71ba2.01f6420a.3a2e.6651@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <6B83C00B-06CD-4884-B387-5DC074E1AAD2@icloud.com> Thanks. I will try it when I am done my homework. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:36 PM, marissa wrote: > > Turn on bluetooth and search for devices, type in the confirmation code on your i-pad > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:45:42 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 15 23:47:19 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 15:47:19 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Message-ID: <52d71e13.41b3440a.624f.646d@mx.google.com> You are welcome, then to read it, go to the termanal port. At least I think that is right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Turn on bluetooth and search for devices, type in the confirmation code on your i-pad ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart References: <52d71e13.41b3440a.624f.646d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <92E89FF6-4B46-46C5-A918-A5BAFB3CC356@icloud.com> Read what? Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:47 PM, marissa wrote: > > You are welcome, then to read it, go to the termanal port. At least I think that is right. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:42:47 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > Thanks. I will try it when I am done my homework. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 6:36 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Turn on bluetooth and search for devices, type in the confirmation code on your i-pad > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 17:45:42 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 00:09:20 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 16:09:20 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Message-ID: <52d7233b.25be440a.7e4e.6442@mx.google.com> To read the i-pad, using the Braille Apex, use the braille terminal ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: You are welcome, then to read it, go to the termanal port. At least I think that is right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Turn on bluetooth and search for devices, type in the confirmation code on your i-pad ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. 2. Go to the connectivity menu. 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not USB. 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, press the pair button and you should be good to go. These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. Ryan On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From nickwilcox_2000 at msn.com Thu Jan 16 00:35:57 2014 From: nickwilcox_2000 at msn.com (nickwilcox_2000 at msn.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:35:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: Does anyone know how to turn off the timer? I can never type 0000 fast enough! Someone could probably make lots of money if they came up with an app that turns off the timer! -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:28 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. 2. Go to the connectivity menu. 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not USB. 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, press the pair button and you should be good to go. These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. Ryan On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nickwilcox_2000%40email.msn.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 00:44:05 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 18:44:05 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Message-ID: <52d72b58.82ddb60a.597e.77db@mx.google.com> Sorry=20but=20there=20is=20no=20way=20to=20turn=20off=20the=20timer.=20=20A= ll=20I=20can=20say=20 is,=20practice=20makes=20perfect.=20=20Good=20luck! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20=20wrote: =20Hi, =20I=20need=20to=20use=20the=20Apex=20as=20a=20braille=20display=20for=20my= =20IPAD.=20=20How=20do=20 I=20pair=20it? =20Best, =20Mikayla =20Sent=20from=20my=20iPad =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for =20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreib er26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nickwilcox_20 00%40email..msn.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 16 00:40:35 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:40:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: <1AA11879-C152-4D2F-8684-4BB7EA963F18@icloud.com> It said that it couldn't load the driver for the Apex. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:28 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. > 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. > 2. Go to the connectivity menu. > 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. > 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press > Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille > terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not > USB. > 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. > Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille > Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for > a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, > press the pair button and you should be good to go. > These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) > P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > Hi Mikayla, > > I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. > > 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. > 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. > > Ryan > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > >> Hi, >> I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? >> Best, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 00:55:05 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 19:55:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: <9D73F6CA4EDF4715B6CEA6A0C2925E67@Helga> Hi, this is Helga. It's actually not possible to turn off the timer, sorry? Just to let you know, when I connected my BrailleNote to my iPhone, it took me 6 tries in order to type the pairing code. I just wanted to ask you, are you going to be at the Florida State Convention this weekend? Just curious! And if you are, I can actually help you pair your BrailleNote to your iPhone. What do you think about that? Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) P.S. Do you live in Florida? Just curious! ;) -----Original Message----- From: nickwilcox_2000 at msn.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:35 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Does anyone know how to turn off the timer? I can never type 0000 fast enough! Someone could probably make lots of money if they came up with an app that turns off the timer! -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:28 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. 2. Go to the connectivity menu. 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not USB. 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, press the pair button and you should be good to go. These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. Ryan On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nickwilcox_2000%40email.msn.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 01:02:36 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:02:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: <1AA11879-C152-4D2F-8684-4BB7EA963F18@icloud.com> References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> <1AA11879-C152-4D2F-8684-4BB7EA963F18@icloud.com> Message-ID: Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. After what step said that the it couldn't load the driver to the Apex? Just curious! I really don't have an iPad, but I'll try to help you the best I can! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:40 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display It said that it couldn't load the driver for the Apex. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:28 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to > connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. > 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. > 2. Go to the connectivity menu. > 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. > 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press > Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille > terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not > USB. > 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. > Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille > Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for > a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, > press the pair button and you should be good to go. > These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the > iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. > Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) > P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille > Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > Hi Mikayla, > > I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there > is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember > what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in > the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. > > 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. > 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see > your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I > don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but > as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as > well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better > term, pair mode. > > Ryan > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart > wrote: > >> Hi, >> I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair >> it? >> Best, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 16 01:21:50 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:21:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> <1AA11879-C152-4D2F-8684-4BB7EA963F18@icloud.com> Message-ID: Yes. Sent from my iPad On Jan 15, 2014, at 8:02 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. After what step said that the it couldn't load the driver to the Apex? Just curious! I really don't have an iPad, but I'll try to help you the best I can! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:40 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display > > It said that it couldn't load the driver for the Apex. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 7:28 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. >> 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. >> 2. Go to the connectivity menu. >> 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. >> 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press >> Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille >> terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not >> USB. >> 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. >> Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille >> Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for >> a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, >> press the pair button and you should be good to go. >> These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) >> P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display >> >> Hi Mikayla, >> >> I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can’t remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you’re in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. >> >> 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. >> 2. Swipe right until you hear “Choose braille display”. You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don’t have an Apex, so I’m kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. >> >> Ryan >> >> On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? >>> Best, >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 02:41:41 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:41:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem Message-ID: Hi all, I am wondering if anyone would know of some way to fix a problem I'm having with one of my textbooks. I get text files of each chapter emailed to me from the Office of Learning Resources. I am taking biology 101 this semester, and for some reason that book isn't done yet. My disability coordinator sent me the first 7 chapters of the book so I could have a good start. The first chapter file was fine, but when I opened the second to do my pre-lecture for chapter 2 it appeared that the office had hurried and scanned the book 2 pages at a time rather than 1. This file is unusable because parts of sentences from side-by-side pages are jumbled together. I have already sent an email asking for the chapter and another from the batch that was the same way to be redone propperly and sent to me as soon as possible, but the pre-lecture for that chapter is due tomorrow in class. I have also already asked my professor for an extension should I need to use it, and I have also had issues with the online course management not showing resources she says she can see on her account fine. I have asked the office to look into it as an accessibility issue, or to see if something is wrong with my account. I would like to just get the pre-lecture done if I can though, so I was wondering if anyone would happen to know of a way I could somehow separate the 2 side-by-side pages so I can get the chapter in order? I have not heard of a way to do this myself, but would really appreciate it if someone had a potential solution I could use so I don't fall behind in the first week of the semester. -- Kaiti From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 02:42:06 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 20:42:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Message-ID: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist From mistydbradley at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 02:50:32 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:50:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <3F08A7291D934A30A0E97837FD08C2E8@MistyBradleyPC> Hi Sophie, I think it depends on the school itself too. A friend of mine is blind and got her bachelor degree in international relations at a private Catholic school in Texas, and she really liked it there from what I can tell. Misty -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 16 02:58:54 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:58:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <9E69D54CF97E4FBD9B9E3E0006948280@OwnerPC> Kaiti, I suppose you could try scanning it yourself if you have a OCR program and the text. Otherwise, I think you advocated your needs fine; you already asked the ds office to redo it and told your professor about the situation. I think that's the best you can do. -----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:41 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem Hi all, I am wondering if anyone would know of some way to fix a problem I'm having with one of my textbooks. I get text files of each chapter emailed to me from the Office of Learning Resources. I am taking biology 101 this semester, and for some reason that book isn't done yet. My disability coordinator sent me the first 7 chapters of the book so I could have a good start. The first chapter file was fine, but when I opened the second to do my pre-lecture for chapter 2 it appeared that the office had hurried and scanned the book 2 pages at a time rather than 1. This file is unusable because parts of sentences from side-by-side pages are jumbled together. I have already sent an email asking for the chapter and another from the batch that was the same way to be redone propperly and sent to me as soon as possible, but the pre-lecture for that chapter is due tomorrow in class. I have also already asked my professor for an extension should I need to use it, and I have also had issues with the online course management not showing resources she says she can see on her account fine. I have asked the office to look into it as an accessibility issue, or to see if something is wrong with my account. I would like to just get the pre-lecture done if I can though, so I was wondering if anyone would happen to know of a way I could somehow separate the 2 side-by-side pages so I can get the chapter in order? I have not heard of a way to do this myself, but would really appreciate it if someone had a potential solution I could use so I don't fall behind in the first week of the semester. -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 16 03:19:39 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:19:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Sophie, No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to serve. They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy comes in. Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great schools. I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one professor said. I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad students teach some classes. Good luck with your decision. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Thu Jan 16 03:23:37 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:23:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013f01cf126a$58774ac0$0965e040$@net> Hi Sophie, While there may be some bad private colleges with disability services, there are also most likely some good ones. And there are good public universities, but there are also bad ones. Basically, it will most likely depend on the university. I'm not sure what the laws state of what protections students get, but I'm pretty sure that you have the right to reasonable accomidations in any case. I'd check out your University and see if you could get in touch with some blind students that went or go there. Also, as to your question of places with good disability services, a schools website should have some information on their disability service office. The college board also has a place with a college search on their website, and good disability services is a criteria feature, I think. There are also probably other resources out there. You also may want to check with your guidance counselor, if that is an option. Another thing to keep in mind is that disability services may not be the top consideration in picking a college or university. I am personally looking at academics and such when I'm looking for colleges and considering disability services. I'm searching for the right school that I love before I look at things such as disability services. However, that is my personal choice and other people have different priorities. Best of luck -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Thu Jan 16 03:25:37 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:25:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <014001cf126a$a076b040$e16410c0$@net> If you want to remain current with the material and don't have the book, you could find out what the material is about and read a Wikipedia or do some sort of other research so you are knolledgible about the topic. Then you can get the chapter and read it afterwords. This isn't a perfect solution, but I have used it with history. Granted, there may be more graphics with bio, but at least in my honors biology class I didn't need to use pictures as more of a supplementary source. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem Hi all, I am wondering if anyone would know of some way to fix a problem I'm having with one of my textbooks. I get text files of each chapter emailed to me from the Office of Learning Resources. I am taking biology 101 this semester, and for some reason that book isn't done yet. My disability coordinator sent me the first 7 chapters of the book so I could have a good start. The first chapter file was fine, but when I opened the second to do my pre-lecture for chapter 2 it appeared that the office had hurried and scanned the book 2 pages at a time rather than 1. This file is unusable because parts of sentences from side-by-side pages are jumbled together. I have already sent an email asking for the chapter and another from the batch that was the same way to be redone propperly and sent to me as soon as possible, but the pre-lecture for that chapter is due tomorrow in class. I have also already asked my professor for an extension should I need to use it, and I have also had issues with the online course management not showing resources she says she can see on her account fine. I have asked the office to look into it as an accessibility issue, or to see if something is wrong with my account. I would like to just get the pre-lecture done if I can though, so I was wondering if anyone would happen to know of a way I could somehow separate the 2 side-by-side pages so I can get the chapter in order? I have not heard of a way to do this myself, but would really appreciate it if someone had a potential solution I could use so I don't fall behind in the first week of the semester. -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Thu Jan 16 03:32:12 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:32:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That may determine if you think it is the right fit. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Sophie, > No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. > > It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to serve. > They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy comes in. > > Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great schools. > I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one professor said. > > I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. > I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. > Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad students teach some classes. > > Good luck with your decision. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Greetings, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look > for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking > about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned > Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My > friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private > New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind > people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as > protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in > general that private universities' disability services weren't as > great as those of public universities. I know this is true for > post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide > braille and technology than are private schools--so I was > wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list > that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we > visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that > those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was > wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this > information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and > appreciated! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 03:47:21 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:47:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Sophie, It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to advocate for yourself and your needs. Cheers, Minh On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That > may determine if you think it is the right fit. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >> Sophie, >> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit >> schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability >> office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might >> be able to do it, even if they have not before. >> >> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, >> ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to >> serve. >> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy >> comes in. >> >> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >> schools. >> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >> professor said. >> >> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, >> upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some >> principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. >> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, >> not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad >> students teach some classes. >> >> Good luck with your decision. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >> >> Greetings, >> >> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look >> for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking >> about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned >> Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My >> friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private >> New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind >> people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as >> protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in >> general that private universities' disability services weren't as >> great as those of public universities. I know this is true for >> post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide >> braille and technology than are private schools--so I was >> wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we >> visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that >> those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was >> wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this >> information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and >> appreciated! >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 04:09:53 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:09:53 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others, but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind student in their class before are better to work with than the ones who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume you have the same preferences and limitations that they had. So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be able to use to get access to your materials. Best, Arielle On 1/15/14, minh ha wrote: > Sophie, > > It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources > they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even > though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired > student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them > exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges > you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 > times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and > cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think > we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the > support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need > to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but > it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I > was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew > it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the > disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO > is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to > advocate for yourself and your needs. > > Cheers, > Minh > > On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That >> may determine if you think it is the right fit. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sophie, >>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>> visit >>> schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability >>> office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they >>> might >>> be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>> >>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>> service, >>> ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to >>> serve. >>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>> advocacy >>> comes in. >>> >>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>> schools. >>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>> professor said. >>> >>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >>> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>> campus, >>> upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some >>> principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. >>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>> professors, >>> not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad >>> students teach some classes. >>> >>> Good luck with your decision. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look >>> for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking >>> about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned >>> Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My >>> friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private >>> New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind >>> people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as >>> protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in >>> general that private universities' disability services weren't as >>> great as those of public universities. I know this is true for >>> post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide >>> braille and technology than are private schools--so I was >>> wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >>> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we >>> visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that >>> those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was >>> wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this >>> information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 04:14:19 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:14:19 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem In-Reply-To: <014001cf126a$a076b040$e16410c0$@net> References: <014001cf126a$a076b040$e16410c0$@net> Message-ID: Hi Kaiti, This might not work for something due tomorrow, but for future chapters before the book is ready, could you send an email around to your class asking if a student wants to pair up with you and read you the material in exchange for a pizza or other small favor? If they have to read the chapter and do the assignment anyway, it's not a huge burden for them, and as you are a good student, you can help them study and also compensate them for their time. Arielle On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > If you want to remain current with the material and don't have the book, > you > could find out what the material is about and read a Wikipedia or do some > sort of other research so you are knolledgible about the topic. Then you > can > get the chapter and read it afterwords. This isn't a perfect solution, but > I > have used it with history. Granted, there may be more graphics with bio, > but > at least in my honors biology class I didn't need to use pictures as more > of > a supplementary source. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] Please help; textbook problem > > Hi all, > > I am wondering if anyone would know of some way to fix a problem I'm having > with one of my textbooks. I get text files of each chapter emailed to me > from the Office of Learning Resources. I am taking biology 101 this > semester, and for some reason that book isn't done yet. My disability > coordinator sent me the first 7 chapters of the book so I could have a good > start. The first chapter file was fine, but when I opened the second to do > my pre-lecture for chapter 2 it appeared that the office had hurried and > scanned the book 2 pages at a time rather than 1. This file is unusable > because parts of sentences from side-by-side pages are jumbled together. I > have already sent an email asking for the chapter and another from the > batch > that was the same way to be redone propperly and sent to me as soon as > possible, but the pre-lecture for that chapter is due tomorrow in class. I > have also already asked my professor for an extension should I need to use > it, and I have also had issues with the online course management not > showing > resources she says she can see on her account fine. I have asked the > office > to look into it as an accessibility issue, or to see if something is wrong > with my account. > > I would like to just get the pre-lecture done if I can though, so I was > wondering if anyone would happen to know of a way I could somehow separate > the 2 side-by-side pages so I can get the chapter in order? > I have not heard of a way to do this myself, but would really appreciate it > if someone had a potential solution I could use so I don't fall behind in > the first week of the semester. > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kaybaycar at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 04:32:57 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:32:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I agree with what has been said before. I went to a private liberal arts college for my undergrad, and I had to fight to get Braille music and some other things I needed. The budget just wasn't there. They also weren't willing to support me when I was having trouble in my senior year with some professors refusing to accomidate and type casting me because of my blindness. It's a long story, but not receiving support them at the time was difficult for me. On the flip side, I built a very close relationship with the university's assistive tech person. She made it her mission to be my advocate, textbook scanner, and professor go to person for questions about accomidations. She went above and beyond for me because she cared, and the office was small enough that we could interact on a nearly daily basis. It is a wonderful thing to build close relationships with people in positions like this, and that is definitely more possible at a smaller school. I currently attend a large university(Mizzou anyone?). The DS office is much larger, and their process is much more streamlined. This is different, somewhat obnoxious at times, but I haven't found the people anything less than friendly and supportive. They have not faught me when I asked for course work in Braille and have even created things in Braille without me even asking twice. They let me direct my accomidations, and cost doesn't seem to be a factor. It helps that they are huuuuuuuge advocates of Braille. But things are busier, and the process is more strict. I don't mind these things, but if you are looking for a place where you can drop in and visit when you need something, a public university may not be it. Sorry for the novel. If you have any more questions, feel free to ask. I don't know everything though, and I agree that you should not choose a school based on its disability services. You never know. The office may seem small and poor, but the people may be excited about helping you get the accomidations you need. Sometimes it takes that one supportive person to help you get what you need and influence the rest. I would encourage you to visit schools, get the vibes from the visits, and make your decisions from there. On 1/15/14, Arielle Silverman wrote: > Hi Sophie, > > I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the > curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put > disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging > schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others, > but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded > and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while > some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how > they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an > individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed > disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found > that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a > certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity > to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind > students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just > a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own > accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like > BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their > accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating > for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a > little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind > student in their class before are better to work with than the ones > who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers > will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the > latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume > you have the same preferences and limitations that they had. > So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your > career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff > later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be > able to use to get access to your materials. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 1/15/14, minh ha wrote: >> Sophie, >> >> It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources >> they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even >> though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired >> student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them >> exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges >> you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 >> times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and >> cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think >> we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the >> support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need >> to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but >> it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I >> was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew >> it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the >> disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO >> is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to >> advocate for yourself and your needs. >> >> Cheers, >> Minh >> >> On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >>> Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. >>> That >>> may determine if you think it is the right fit. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Sophie, >>>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>>> visit >>>> schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability >>>> office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they >>>> might >>>> be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>>> >>>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>>> service, >>>> ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to >>>> serve. >>>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>>> advocacy >>>> comes in. >>>> >>>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>>> schools. >>>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>>> professor said. >>>> >>>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >>>> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>>> campus, >>>> upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some >>>> principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. >>>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>>> professors, >>>> not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad >>>> students teach some classes. >>>> >>>> Good luck with your decision. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look >>>> for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking >>>> about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned >>>> Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My >>>> friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private >>>> New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind >>>> people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as >>>> protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in >>>> general that private universities' disability services weren't as >>>> great as those of public universities. I know this is true for >>>> post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide >>>> braille and technology than are private schools--so I was >>>> wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >>>> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we >>>> visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that >>>> those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was >>>> wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this >>>> information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and >>>> appreciated! >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From sgermano at asu.edu Thu Jan 16 04:41:11 2014 From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 21:41:11 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I am not sure about a rating system that is available but when I toured Arizona State University, they told the tour group their disabled student services was rated one of the top in the country.. I don't know who rated them. This is my third semester there and there are very good at providing me with what I need. I am partially sighted and usually use large print or cctv but when I had many diagrams in my digital logic design class that were color coded they offered to make all them into tactile for me because I am color blind. Suzanne On Wed, Jan 15, 2014 at 8:19 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Sophie, > No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit > schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability > office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might > be able to do it, even if they have not before. > > It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, > ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to > serve. > They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy > comes in. > > Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great > schools. > I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one > professor said. > > I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george > mason university, GMU. GMU is public. > I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, > upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some > principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. > Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, > not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad > students teach some classes. > > Good luck with your decision. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Greetings, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look > for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking > about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned > Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My > friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private > New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind > people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as > protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in > general that private universities' disability services weren't as > great as those of public universities. I know this is true for > post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide > braille and technology than are private schools--so I was > wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list > that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we > visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that > those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was > wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this > information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and > appreciated! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > From lissa1531 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 05:23:26 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:23:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com><5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Arielle has given some very good advice. I have attended a private school and a public one. There were some things that I had to figure out my self on the private school's campus. I didn't mind it because it also prepared me for when I started at the public university. Some private schools are under the impression that they don't have to follow any laws or provide acomodations because they are a private school. That was my experience anyway. Good luck. Blessings and best wishes, Melissa R. Green and Pj "We love because he first loved us." ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Hi Sophie, I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others, but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind student in their class before are better to work with than the ones who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume you have the same preferences and limitations that they had. So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be able to use to get access to your materials. Best, Arielle On 1/15/14, minh ha wrote: > Sophie, > > It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources > they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even > though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired > student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them > exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges > you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 > times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and > cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think > we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the > support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need > to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but > it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I > was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew > it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the > disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO > is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to > advocate for yourself and your needs. > > Cheers, > Minh > > On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That >> may determine if you think it is the right fit. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sophie, >>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>> visit >>> schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability >>> office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they >>> might >>> be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>> >>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>> service, >>> ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to >>> serve. >>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>> advocacy >>> comes in. >>> >>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>> schools. >>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>> professor said. >>> >>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >>> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>> campus, >>> upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some >>> principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. >>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>> professors, >>> not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad >>> students teach some classes. >>> >>> Good luck with your decision. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look >>> for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking >>> about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned >>> Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My >>> friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private >>> New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind >>> people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as >>> protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in >>> general that private universities' disability services weren't as >>> great as those of public universities. I know this is true for >>> post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide >>> braille and technology than are private schools--so I was >>> wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >>> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we >>> visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that >>> those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was >>> wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this >>> information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and >>> appreciated! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 12:46:54 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:46:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00b701cf12b9$0946d340$1bd479c0$@gmail.com> You have to look at the entire picture. Be very aware of just what format you want school material presented to you, and be aware of the back up alternatives so you can explain them to someone else. Go with how you feel about the campus. How friendly is everyone. Personally, if I did not feel comfortable with the disability office, I would not go to the college, but that is just a personal preference. I also would not attend a college where I did not think I would have fun and where the people were not friendly. I do not know where the disability office ranks in all of that, but it is in there somewhere. It is important to see if the college can provide you with the experience where you will be able to succeed as a whole person. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 11:10 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Hi Sophie, I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others, but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind student in their class before are better to work with than the ones who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume you have the same preferences and limitations that they had. So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be able to use to get access to your materials. Best, Arielle On 1/15/14, minh ha wrote: > Sophie, > > It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources > they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even > though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired > student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them > exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges > you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 > times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and > cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think > we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the > support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need > to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but > it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I > was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew > it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the > disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO > is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to > advocate for yourself and your needs. > > Cheers, > Minh > > On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. >> That may determine if you think it is the right fit. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Sophie, >>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>> visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the >>> disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a >>> need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>> >>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>> service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less >>> students to serve. >>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>> advocacy comes in. >>> >>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>> schools. >>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>> professor said. >>> >>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of >>> george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>> campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree >>> with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious >>> activities. >>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>> professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities >>> will have grad students teach some classes. >>> >>> Good luck with your decision. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for >>> a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about >>> which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which >>> is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose >>> mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, >>> said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private >>> colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and >>> other necessary materials. He said in general that private >>> universities' disability services weren't as great as those of >>> public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public >>> schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than >>> are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with >>> colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability >>> support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS >>> office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell >>> their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource >>> I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be >>> super helpful and appreciated! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40ea >>> rthlink.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington >>> %40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmai >> l.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 12:50:01 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 06:50:01 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Message-ID: <52d7d57e.e4ddb60a.11d1.ffffc78e@mx.google.com> Thanks for all the advice that's been given. It's very helpful. Disability services is not my top priority for a school, but I've heard horror stories about people having to fight for every little accomodation. I want to spend most of my time actually learning stuff, not fighting for what I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa Green" wrote: Sophie, It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to advocate for yourself and your needs. Cheers, Minh On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That may determine if you think it is the right fit. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Sophie, No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to serve. They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy comes in. Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great schools. I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one professor said. I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad students teach some classes. Good luck with your decision. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning ton%40fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 gmail.com -- "All men dream, but not equally. 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Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 12:50:42 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:50:42 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to a private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of us have attended private universities. I attend the University of South Carolina. I've had a pretty good experience there. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Sophie, No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to serve. They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy comes in. Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great schools. I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one professor said. I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad students teach some classes. Good luck with your decision. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 12:55:51 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:55:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <52d7d57e.e4ddb60a.11d1.ffffc78e@mx.google.com> References: <52d7d57e.e4ddb60a.11d1.ffffc78e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <00c401cf12ba$494501f0$dbcf05d0$@gmail.com> This is indeed true; which is why I posed my answer the way I did. It's okay to advocate some; it's a good skill to acquire, but While you are trying to get school work done, you don't have but so much time to do that. At some point, having to fight for every need robs you of a successful college experience. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 7:50 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Thanks for all the advice that's been given. It's very helpful. Disability services is not my top priority for a school, but I've heard horror stories about people having to fight for every little accomodation. I want to spend most of my time actually learning stuff, not fighting for what I need. ----- Original Message ----- From: "melissa Green" wrote: Sophie, It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to advocate for yourself and your needs. Cheers, Minh On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That may determine if you think it is the right fit. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Sophie, No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to serve. They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy comes in. Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great schools. I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one professor said. I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george mason university, GMU. GMU is public. I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad students teach some classes. Good luck with your decision. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM To: nabs Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Greetings, I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! Yours sincerely, Sophie Trist _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning ton%40fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 gmail.com -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40g mail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 13:06:25 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:06:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie. I can only agree with what everyone else has already stated. I've only been to a community college thus far, but overall my experiences have been pretty positive. I can not stress strongly enough to advocate for yourself. My DSO was very good at getting me textbooks in audio format and getting me other things like handouts from teachers. I would visit the colleges you are interested in, and talk to people at the DSO to see what services they offer. I don't now about the rest of you, but as I went on with doing my courses, I found myself relying on the DSO less and less to get things I needed. I would just talk to my instructors and see if I could just have them email me handouts or just email my assignments to them instead of printing out reports I'd done. I am looking forward to going to a university after I've gotten some indipendent Living training at a center in Chicago. Thanks for a great list. This is a great place to ask questions and get respectful helpful answers from students who know what we're going through. On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: > My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to a > private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of us > have > attended private universities. I attend the University of South Carolina. > I've had a pretty good experience there. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Sophie, > No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should visit > schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability > office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they might > be > able to do it, even if they have not before. > > It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability service, > ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to > serve. > They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where advocacy > comes in. > > Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great > schools. > I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one > professor said. > > I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george > mason > university, GMU. GMU is public. > I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small campus, > upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some > principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. > Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get professors, > not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad > students teach some classes. > > Good luck with your decision. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Greetings, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a > college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which > colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a private > Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is a professor > at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that it was very > difficult for blind people to attend private colleges because they weren't > as good as protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in > general that private universities' disability services weren't as great as > those of public universities. I know this is true for post-secondary public > schools--they're more able to provide braille and technology than are > private schools--so I was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, > is there a list that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that > whenever we visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that > those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if > there was any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info > or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 13:19:50 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:19:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <014601cf12bd$a37b7610$ea726230$@gmail.com> I keep close communication with my instructor also; my professors and I have worked around several issues. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua Hendrickson Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities Hi Sophie. I can only agree with what everyone else has already stated. I've only been to a community college thus far, but overall my experiences have been pretty positive. I can not stress strongly enough to advocate for yourself. My DSO was very good at getting me textbooks in audio format and getting me other things like handouts from teachers. I would visit the colleges you are interested in, and talk to people at the DSO to see what services they offer. I don't now about the rest of you, but as I went on with doing my courses, I found myself relying on the DSO less and less to get things I needed. I would just talk to my instructors and see if I could just have them email me handouts or just email my assignments to them instead of printing out reports I'd done. I am looking forward to going to a university after I've gotten some indipendent Living training at a center in Chicago. Thanks for a great list. This is a great place to ask questions and get respectful helpful answers from students who know what we're going through. On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: > My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to > a private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of > us have attended private universities. I attend the University of > South Carolina. > I've had a pretty good experience there. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Sophie, > No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should > visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the > disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a > need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. > > It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability > service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less > students to serve. > They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where > advocacy comes in. > > Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great > schools. > I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one > professor said. > > I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george > mason university, GMU. GMU is public. > I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small > campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree > with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. > Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get > professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will > have grad students teach some classes. > > Good luck with your decision. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Greetings, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a > college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which > colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a > private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is > a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that > it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges > because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other > necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' > disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. > I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more > able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I > was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list > that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit > a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people > are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was > any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and appreciated! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 > 0gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co > m > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 14:02:47 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 08:02:47 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <014601cf12bd$a37b7610$ea726230$@gmail.com> References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> <014601cf12bd$a37b7610$ea726230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I agree with everything that has been said. Choose your college based on the corriculum and the people that you meet during your visits. While the disability resources should be a priority, it should not be your first. In my experience, I have actually found disability resources to be more accomidating at a private school than a public school. This is not at all a blanket statement; it is just based on my own experience. I started out at Ithaca College, a fairly well-known private college in upstate New York. I chose it for its music program, not for its disability services. The disability office was fairly small, but they were more than willing to work with me to provide the accomidations I needed. Also, the school of music coordinated with disability services very well. They assigned a grad student to prepare any hand-outs necessary for class, inputting the music into the computer. He would then e-mail it over to the disability services office where my case manager would then emboss it for me. When I transferred to a public university, the disability services office was much larger and had many more "resources", but I found that they were also very controling. They kept a close eye on me, requiring that I meet with my disability services mentor once a week just to check how everything was going. Also, rather than me discussing accomidations with them, they pretty much told me exactly what my accomidations would be and I had no say in the matter. If I didn't like what they wanted to do for me, I had to just deal with it. In essence, based on my experiences, I found that the smaller disability office with less resources was much more accomidating than the larger one with more resources. The larger one seemed to me more like a factory, churning out services for students. I seemed to be nothing more than a case number to them, whereas with the smaller office, I was treated as a person and asked what I wanted. My strongest point of advice is that which everyone else has said: choose the college based on the college, not based on their disability services. On the flip side, don't choose a college where you know you'll have to fight for everything because that will just ruin the whole college experience. If you have to advocate some, but you feel you can live with it and you love the college, then go with it. Sorry for the rambling novel. Hope this helps. Ryan On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: > I keep close communication with my instructor also; my professors and I > have > worked around several issues. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua > Hendrickson > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Hi Sophie. I can only agree with what everyone else has already stated. > I've only been to a community college thus far, but overall my experiences > have been pretty positive. I can not stress strongly enough to advocate > for > yourself. My DSO was very good at getting me textbooks in audio format and > getting me other things like handouts from teachers. I would visit the > colleges you are interested in, and talk to people at the DSO to see what > services they offer. I don't now about the rest of you, but as I went on > with doing my courses, I found myself relying on the DSO less and less to > get things I needed. > I would just talk to my instructors and see if I could just have them email > me handouts or just email my assignments to them instead of printing out > reports I'd done. I am looking forward to going to a university after I've > gotten some indipendent Living training at a center in Chicago. Thanks for > a great list. This is a great place to ask questions and get respectful > helpful answers from students who know what we're going through. > > On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: >> My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to >> a private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of >> us have attended private universities. I attend the University of >> South Carolina. >> I've had a pretty good experience there. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley >> Bramlett >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >> >> Sophie, >> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >> visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the >> disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a >> need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. >> >> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >> service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less >> students to serve. >> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >> advocacy comes in. >> >> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >> schools. >> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >> professor said. >> >> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >> campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree >> with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. >> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >> professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will >> have grad students teach some classes. >> >> Good luck with your decision. >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Sophie Trist >> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >> To: nabs >> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >> >> Greetings, >> >> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a >> college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which >> colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a >> private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is >> a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that >> it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges >> because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other >> necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' >> disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. >> I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more >> able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I >> was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit >> a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people >> are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was >> any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or > comments would be super helpful and appreciated! >> >> Yours sincerely, >> Sophie Trist >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >> 0gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co >> m >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 14:03:46 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 07:03:46 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: <52d7d57e.e4ddb60a.11d1.ffffc78e@mx.google.com> References: <52d7d57e.e4ddb60a.11d1.ffffc78e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Sophie, As has been said before, it honestly just depends on the school. I started my undergraduate education at Brigham Young University which is, without a doubt, one of the largest and most well-funded private universities in the country. There were many reasons why I transferred to a nearby public university instead but, I sure you, the disability services was not one of them. Now I attend the University of Utah, The flagship public university in my state, and the disability service office here, if anything, has less funding and resources than the one at the private university I transferred from… though it is more than adequate for what I need. Basically, you probably do yourself a disservice by generalizing here. Yes, probably most private universities are small and have less established disability service offices then The typical public university… but I'm sure you will find many private universities whose disability service centers are excellent, As mine was. And, while disability center effectiveness and philosophy are factors that should not even be close to your top priority, they are worth thinking about because, most likely, your relationship with your disability counselor Will have a real impact on your college experience. y Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:50 AM, Sophie Trist wrote: > > Thanks for all the advice that's been given. It's very helpful. Disability services is not my top priority for a school, but I've heard horror stories about people having to fight for every little accomodation. I want to spend most of my time actually learning stuff, not fighting for what I need. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "melissa Green" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Date sent: Wed, 15 Jan 2014 22:23:26 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Arielle has given some very good advice. > I have attended a private school and a public one. > There were some things that I had to figure out my self on the private > school's campus. > I didn't mind it because it also prepared me for when I started at the > public university. > Some private schools are under the impression that they don't have to follow > any laws or provide acomodations because they are a private school. > That was my experience anyway. > Good luck. > > Blessings and best wishes, > Melissa R. Green and Pj > "We love because he first loved us." > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:09 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > > Hi Sophie, > > I would recommend judging colleges based on factors like how good the > curriculum is and how friendly people are at the school, and to put > disability services lower on your list of criteria for judging > schools. Some schools will have more disability resources than others, > but sometimes, a school with less resources may be more open-minded > and flexible when working with you as an individual student, while > some schools with big disability offices may be more rigid about how > they treat blind students and less willing to work with you as an > individual. I attended a large public university with a well-staffed > disability office, and while this had its advantages, I also found > that the staff at the disability office wanted to do everything a > certain way, were somewhat custodial, and gave me little opportunity > to negotiate with individual professors. I have talked with blind > students who attended schools with no disability office at all or just > a small one, and who had excellent experiences arranging their own > accommodations, using readers and publicly available services like > BookShare, Learning Ally etc. They felt more in control of their > accommodations and, as a bonus, got really accustomed to advocating > for themselves early on, which is important for employment. It's a > little like how sometimes, the teachers who have never had a blind > student in their class before are better to work with than the ones > who have had someone blind in the past, because the former teachers > will listen to how you want them to do things, while sometimes the > latter will tend to compare you with other blind students or assume > you have the same preferences and limitations that they had. > So I would encourage you to pick a school that's the best fit for your > career goals, and worry about the disability accommodation stuff > later. No matter where you go, there are resources that you will be > able to use to get access to your materials. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 1/15/14, minh ha wrote: > Sophie, > > It honestly does depend on the university and the kind of resources > they have. I go to a private Catholic college in Boston and even > though they are not very knowledgeable about what a visually impaired > student might need, they are extremely accommodating when I tell them > exactly what I require in order to be successful. Visit the colleges > you are interested in and talk to the disability services office; 9 > times out of 10, you can get a realistic feel for what they can and > cannot offer you in terms of accommodations. Honestly, I don't think > we as blind students should base our college decisions entirely on the > support we might get from the university. Yes, it's a factor we need > to consider because it can make or break our academic experience, but > it shouldn't be the only reason that we pick the school. I know when I > was searching for colleges, I fell in love with my college and I knew > it was the school I would be attending way before I met with the > disability services office. If you want to go to a school but the DSO > is less than stellar, then it's another opportunity for you to > advocate for yourself and your needs. > > Cheers, > Minh > > On 1/15/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Also, you may be able to general feel for the ds office when you go. That > may determine if you think it is the right fit. > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 15, 2014, at 10:19 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" > wrote: > > Sophie, > No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should > visit > schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the disability > office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a need, they > might > be able to do it, even if they have not before. > > It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability > service, > ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less students to > serve. > They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where > advocacy > comes in. > > Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great > schools. > I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one > professor said. > > I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george > mason university, GMU. GMU is public. > I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small > campus, > upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree with some > principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious activities. > Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get > professors, > not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will have grad > students teach some classes. > > Good luck with your decision. > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM > To: nabs > Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities > > Greetings, > > I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look > for a college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking > about which colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned > Loyola, which is a private Catholic university in New Orleans. My > friend, whose mother is a professor at Tulane, another private > New Orleans school, said that it was very difficult for blind > people to attend private colleges because they weren't as good as > protecting textbooks and other necessary materials. He said in > general that private universities' disability services weren't as > great as those of public universities. I know this is true for > post-secondary public schools--they're more able to provide > braille and technology than are private schools--so I was > wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list > that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we > visit a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that > those people are often trying to sell their school. So I was > wondering if there was any concrete resource I could use for this > information. Any info or comments would be super helpful and > appreciated! > > Yours sincerely, > Sophie Trist > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning > ton%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40 > gmail.com > > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40g > mail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 14:50:15 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 09:50:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> <014601cf12bd$a37b7610$ea726230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Sophie, First, judging from your posts, you will have no problems advocating for yourself, no matter where you go. The best advice I can give, is to apply to colleges based on what you want to get out of your college experience. I had very little guidance when i applied to colleges, and indeed, had no idea that disability services was even a thing I should think about, For me, it was about academics, I had worked very hard in high school to try to get into the best possible colleges I could. As a result, I did wind up applying to private universities. But no matter whether you go to private or public university, if a university receives any type of federal funding, which every college and university in the country does, except for like two, they must comply by ADA and section 504 standards, meaning that you must have equal access. I've noticed that a lot of colleges and universities which have a higher profile reputation are a lot more willing to accommodate you as you need, even if they have small disability offices. A huge part of that is that they have a reputation to maintain, and the last thing they want to do is open them to a law suit. Something else to keep in mind, is that you must go to a place that you love, because inevitably things will get rough, no matter where you go, but you are more likely to keep fighting and stay strong, if you are going somewhere you really want to be. I chose Emory University, not because it was the best university to which I was accepted, though it is certainly a fine institution, but because when i went to visit, I just fell in love and knew that's where i wanted to spend the next four years. At one point I had some serious issues with access, I requested braille books for stats and music, and was flat out refused, I did have to fight it, but after some rather savvy negotiation, during which they found out that i knew my rights, and was not a shrinking violet, I got everything i asked for, and never had a problem before. Overall, I had an incredible college experience, and would not change anything about it, because I went exactly where I wanted to go. All that is to say, apply everywhere you'd love to go to, go visit, and go where you fall in love. From there, you know what to do, meet with ODS, meet with professors, and always communicate. And have a great resource with NABS and NFB. So best of luck! Mary F On 1/16/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Sophie, > > I agree with everything that has been said. Choose your college based > on the corriculum and the people that you meet during your visits. > While the disability resources should be a priority, it should not be > your first. In my experience, I have actually found disability > resources to be more accomidating at a private school than a public > school. This is not at all a blanket statement; it is just based on > my own experience. I started out at Ithaca College, a fairly > well-known private college in upstate New York. I chose it for its > music program, not for its disability services. The disability office > was fairly small, but they were more than willing to work with me to > provide the accomidations I needed. Also, the school of music > coordinated with disability services very well. They assigned a grad > student to prepare any hand-outs necessary for class, inputting the > music into the computer. He would then e-mail it over to the > disability services office where my case manager would then emboss it > for me. When I transferred to a public university, the disability > services office was much larger and had many more "resources", but I > found that they were also very controling. They kept a close eye on > me, requiring that I meet with my disability services mentor once a > week just to check how everything was going. Also, rather than me > discussing accomidations with them, they pretty much told me exactly > what my accomidations would be and I had no say in the matter. If I > didn't like what they wanted to do for me, I had to just deal with it. > > In essence, based on my experiences, I found that the smaller > disability office with less resources was much more accomidating than > the larger one with more resources. The larger one seemed to me more > like a factory, churning out services for students. I seemed to be > nothing more than a case number to them, whereas with the smaller > office, I was treated as a person and asked what I wanted. My > strongest point of advice is that which everyone else has said: choose > the college based on the college, not based on their disability > services. On the flip side, don't choose a college where you know > you'll have to fight for everything because that will just ruin the > whole college experience. If you have to advocate some, but you feel > you can live with it and you love the college, then go with it. > > Sorry for the rambling novel. Hope this helps. > > Ryan > > On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: >> I keep close communication with my instructor also; my professors and I >> have >> worked around several issues. >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua >> Hendrickson >> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >> >> Hi Sophie. I can only agree with what everyone else has already stated. >> I've only been to a community college thus far, but overall my >> experiences >> have been pretty positive. I can not stress strongly enough to advocate >> for >> yourself. My DSO was very good at getting me textbooks in audio format >> and >> getting me other things like handouts from teachers. I would visit the >> colleges you are interested in, and talk to people at the DSO to see what >> services they offer. I don't now about the rest of you, but as I went on >> with doing my courses, I found myself relying on the DSO less and less to >> get things I needed. >> I would just talk to my instructors and see if I could just have them >> email >> me handouts or just email my assignments to them instead of printing out >> reports I'd done. I am looking forward to going to a university after >> I've >> gotten some indipendent Living training at a center in Chicago. Thanks >> for >> a great list. This is a great place to ask questions and get respectful >> helpful answers from students who know what we're going through. >> >> On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: >>> My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to >>> a private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of >>> us have attended private universities. I attend the University of >>> South Carolina. >>> I've had a pretty good experience there. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley >>> Bramlett >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Sophie, >>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>> visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the >>> disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a >>> need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>> >>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>> service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less >>> students to serve. >>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>> advocacy comes in. >>> >>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>> schools. >>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>> professor said. >>> >>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >>> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>> campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree >>> with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious >>> activities. >>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>> professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will >>> have grad students teach some classes. >>> >>> Good luck with your decision. >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Sophie Trist >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>> To: nabs >>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Greetings, >>> >>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a >>> college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which >>> colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a >>> private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is >>> a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that >>> it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges >>> because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other >>> necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' >>> disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. >>> I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more >>> able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I >>> was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >>> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit >>> a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people >>> are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was >>> any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or >> comments would be super helpful and appreciated! >>> >>> Yours sincerely, >>> Sophie Trist >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>> 0gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co >>> m >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. 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This website answers Frequently Asked Questions for applicants. Please disseminate this email among students and recent graduates who may be interested. If you are an international organization in the Washington, DC, metropolitan area interested in hosting a YIDA intern, please communicate with yid at usicd.org. Application deadline for the summer 2014 YIDA program is January 29, 2014. P.S. In addition to coordinating the YIDA program, USICD also leads the campaign for U.S. ratification of the "Disability Treaty" (Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities, CRPD). This is the first international treaty to protect the human rights of people with disabilities: 140 other countries have ratified it, but the U.S. is behind. The next national teleconference call on CRPD action for student and campus leaders will be on January 28 at 4 pm EST (3 pm Central Time, 1 pm Pacific Time). We are interested in hearing from campus and student leaders who want to help mobilize others to take action in support of the Disability Treaty. Please communicate with Andrea Shettle at ashettle at usicd.org for details on future national teleconference calls for student/campus leaders on the CRPD. No time to be involved? Then you may want to simply sign and disseminate a petition at http://bit.ly/Youth4CRPD. ________________________________________ From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Thu Jan 16 19:35:24 2014 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 19:35:24 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Work from home/telework? In-Reply-To: <3ca6ae8b6bb94e759115abb5dc922437@BL2PR03MB228.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> References: <3ca6ae8b6bb94e759115abb5dc922437@BL2PR03MB228.namprd03.prod.outlook.com> Message-ID: <99d5dd04d7b74195a4aec46e102c082a@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com> What are the names of some companies that offer work from home opportunities? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Makkawy, Amin Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 12:06 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Work from home/telework? Deadline extended! Partake in my survey and be entered into a raffle for one of three $30 amazon.com gift cards! Feel free to distribute widely, list serves/colleagues/friends/anyone who you think might be interested! In mid-December I distributed a survey regarding the experiences of blind teleworkers. Due to the great incites obtained, I am opening up the survey until January 26th 2014. If you qualify (you are over 18 years old, identify as visually impaired and/or blind, and have been employed fulltime for the last six months in a position where you telework at least approximately 75% of the time), please tell me about your experiences by filling out my survey. The information you provide will be kept confidential. To participate or in order to learn more, navigate to the following web address: https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NW9C9P2 Happy 2014, Amin Makkawy Communication Studies Master's Candidate University of North Carolina at Charlotte From: Makkawy, Amin Sent: Thursday, December 05, 2013 10:58 AM To: 'electronics-talk at nfbnet.org' Subject: Make your voice heard and win one of three $30 amazon.com gift cards! Please distribute to anyone who you think might be interested/qualified! My name is Amin Makkawy. I am a graduate student at the University of North Carolina Charlotte conducting research on the workplace experience of blind and/or visually impaired employees who work virtually (also known as teleworking or working remotely). If you are over 18 years old, identify as visually impaired and/or blind, and have been employed fulltime for the last six months in a position where you telework at least approximately 75% of the time, I want to hear from you! Below is a link where you can learn more and participate in a short 30 minute survey I have designed. In fact if you participate in this survey by December 24th, you can choose to provide your e-mail address at the end of the survey (this will be disconnected from the data you provide) in order to be entered into a drawing for one of three $30 amazon.com gift cards! https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/NW9C9P2 If you have any questions regarding this study feel free to contact me at amakkawy at uncc.edu. Thank you in advance. Respectfully, Amin Makkawy M.A. Student: Department of Communication Studies UNC Charlotte _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From lizzym0827 at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 22:12:27 2014 From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (lizzy) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 17:12:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Languages Message-ID: <52d85950.b56c8c0a.7cd5.ffff86f2@mx.google.com> Hi All, Has anyone here taken a language that is lesser known? I really mean anything other than french spanish or german; I'm thinking languages like Chinese, Russian and Estonian. The college that I will be attending next year offers some pretty cool languages that I am hoping to take advantage of. Has anyone taken a language like this before? What resources did you use to teach yourself the braille code? Or did you go about it in a completely different way? Thanks for any help you can give me, Lizzy From sparklylicious at gmail.com Thu Jan 16 23:37:06 2014 From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 15:37:06 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Languages In-Reply-To: <52d85950.b56c8c0a.7cd5.ffff86f2@mx.google.com> References: <52d85950.b56c8c0a.7cd5.ffff86f2@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <013101cf1313$df5c2ca0$9e1485e0$@gmail.com> Hi Lizzy, That is fantastic! I'm a second year at UC Davis, and am currently taking Chinese. My college has been great at getting me materials, including the textbooks, PowerPoints, and any other handouts. The Chinese Pinyin is based on the English alphabet so I use the English braille system to do all my work. however, there is Chinese Braille, and I'm definitely planning on learning it, but I wanted to understand the language first because I think it would make it a lot easier. I'm using my apex to do most of my work so I can make sure everything is spelled correctly. As for the thousands of characters, NVDA can help with that. You'll have to install the software, change your keyboard layout from English to Chinese and you'll be able to type in Pinyin and select the correct characters. I know it might sound like a lot, but it's actually pretty cool once you get the hang of it. if you want more info, feel free to contact me off list at hchadwick at ucdavis.edu Good luck in choosing the language you want! Best, Hannah -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of lizzy Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:12 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Languages Hi All, Has anyone here taken a language that is lesser known? I really mean anything other than french spanish or german; I'm thinking languages like Chinese, Russian and Estonian. The college that I will be attending next year offers some pretty cool languages that I am hoping to take advantage of. Has anyone taken a language like this before? What resources did you use to teach yourself the braille code? Or did you go about it in a completely different way? Thanks for any help you can give me, Lizzy _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c om From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 00:19:26 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2014 18:19:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Languages In-Reply-To: <013101cf1313$df5c2ca0$9e1485e0$@gmail.com> References: <52d85950.b56c8c0a.7cd5.ffff86f2@mx.google.com> <013101cf1313$df5c2ca0$9e1485e0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Lizzie, I’ve never formally taken any of the less common languages, but I have taught myself to speak bits and pieces of a number of languages, some of which use different braille codes as they have different alphabets. One of the langurs I know fairly well is Greek. It’s pretty easy to find resources to get the braille codes; the library of Congress has some books of alphabet charts in a variety of different languages. Usually, they use similes that are somewhat similar to the English ones. For example, in Greek, they use dot 1 for Alpha, dots 1 and 2 for Beta and dots 1, 2, 4 and 5 for Gama because those sounds approximate an A, B, and G in English. Well, technically beta is pronounced like a V, but that’s beside the point. Anyway, you should have no problem getting the resources you need. I would definitely look into the library of Congress for some alphabet charts. Hope this helps. Ryan On Jan 16, 2014, at 5:37 PM, Hannah Chadwick wrote: > Hi Lizzy, > That is fantastic! I'm a second year at UC Davis, and am currently taking > Chinese. My college has been great at getting me materials, including the > textbooks, PowerPoints, and any other handouts. The Chinese Pinyin is based > on the English alphabet so I use the English braille system to do all my > work. however, there is Chinese Braille, and I'm definitely planning on > learning it, but I wanted to understand the language first because I think > it would make it a lot easier. I'm using my apex to do most of my work so I > can make sure everything is spelled correctly. As for the thousands of > characters, NVDA can help with that. You'll have to install the software, > change your keyboard layout from English to Chinese and you'll be able to > type in Pinyin and select the correct characters. > I know it might sound like a lot, but it's actually pretty cool once you get > the hang of it. if you want more info, feel free to contact me off list at > hchadwick at ucdavis.edu > Good luck in choosing the language you want! > Best, Hannah > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of lizzy > Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 2:12 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Languages > > Hi All, > Has anyone here taken a language that is lesser known? I really mean > anything other than french spanish or german; I'm thinking languages like > Chinese, Russian and Estonian. The college that I will be attending next > year offers some pretty cool languages that I am hoping to take advantage > of. Has anyone taken a language like this before? What resources did you > use to teach yourself the braille code? Or did you go about it in a > completely different way? > Thanks for any help you can give me, > Lizzy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sparklylicious%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com Fri Jan 17 22:53:31 2014 From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay) Date: Fri, 17 Jan 2014 17:53:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone ever attended these colleges Message-ID: <52d9b49d.a64f320a.7593.31ad@mx.google.com> Hello, I just obtained my degree, but it was not in the field I ooiginally considered. I originally considered either speech therapy or education. I started my college courses at a satelite location of the University of Akron and tranferred to a smaller school because my parents and I agreed that they did not want me living in downtown Akron. Therefore, in a few years once I have gotten a decent job and am able to afford it, I think I would like to go baca to school and persue one of the fields mentioned earlier. Unfortunately, I have discovered that private schools are so much more expensive than state schools. Plus, the speech therapy program is only offered at the larger state schools, so I have no choice but to go there. Therefore, I am trying to see if I can talk to a blind student who has gone to a larger college and get their opinions. The college where I obtained my bachelor's degree from had a total student population of 2,000, smaller than my high school. Has anyone ever attended or know someone who has attended any of the following schools: University of Akron, Bowling Green State University, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, or Kent State University. All these schools have my program and are all public universities, so tuition would be cheaper. I did consider Akron and bg and visited both campuses a while back, but I did not get a chance to tour the bg campus in its entirety. All I can remember is that the campus wasn't too bad. If you have or know someone who attended these schools, what did they think of it? Was the campus accessible to a blind person? Were professors helpful? Please feel free to write me offlist and share your experiences. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay From NMPBRAT at aol.com Sat Jan 18 08:36:47 2014 From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 03:36:47 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone ever attended these colleges Message-ID: <2c6e4.58e1cc05.400b971f@aol.com> Kelsey, Although I am not totally blind, I am legally blind and I obtained my BA in Special Education from Kent State University (main campus). I spent all four years there and overall had a great experience there. I also looked at other colleges like Bowling Green, Akron U., OSU, etc. I found Kent State's campus to be one of the easiest to navigate. I felt their Disability Services (at least at the time when I was there) was excellent. I felt that most of my professors were accommodating and helpful (you're always going to have at least one bad apple in the bunch). I also liked their transportation around campus. So, I would give them a high overall rating and say that my experiences there were very positive. Please feel free to email me off-list with any other questions you may have. Nicole Poston In a message dated 1/17/2014 5:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, piano.girl0299 at gmail.com writes: Hello, I just obtained my degree, but it was not in the field I ooiginally considered. I originally considered either speech therapy or education. I started my college courses at a satelite location of the University of Akron and tranferred to a smaller school because my parents and I agreed that they did not want me living in downtown Akron. Therefore, in a few years once I have gotten a decent job and am able to afford it, I think I would like to go baca to school and persue one of the fields mentioned earlier. Unfortunately, I have discovered that private schools are so much more expensive than state schools. Plus, the speech therapy program is only offered at the larger state schools, so I have no choice but to go there. Therefore, I am trying to see if I can talk to a blind student who has gone to a larger college and get their opinions. The college where I obtained my bachelor's degree from had a total student population of 2,000, smaller than my high school. Has anyone ever attended or know someone who has attended any of the following schools: University of Akron, Bowling Green State University, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, or Kent State University. All these schools have my program and are all public universities, so tuition would be cheaper. I did consider Akron and bg and visited both campuses a while back, but I did not get a chance to tour the bg campus in its entirety. All I can remember is that the campus wasn't too bad. If you have or know someone who attended these schools, what did they think of it? Was the campus accessible to a blind person? Were professors helpful? Please feel free to write me offlist and share your experiences. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sat Jan 18 16:55:13 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 11:55:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities In-Reply-To: References: <52d74701.0726ec0a.0983.483a@mx.google.com> <5D168074BF14438DA6A366407BB49887@OwnerPC> <00c101cf12b9$916af7b0$b440e710$@gmail.com> <014601cf12bd$a37b7610$ea726230$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Sophie, I have attended a private catholic university in Ohio for the past year and a half and loved it. I have never had issues getting textbooks or having my other needs in the classroom met, and the disabilities staff has been wonderful. I have recently started to encounter some of the issues Julie described, but that is a unique problem to us music students since the ds people don't usually know about braille music. Nonetheless, I get everything I need in terms of textbook files, tactile diagrams, hard copy braille, etc. I also want to comment on something Minh said, because that was the case for me too. I took a tour of the University of Dayton, where I currently attend, shortly before my junior year. It was the first college I toured, and the campus was a huge attraction for me. I loved how everything was set up in terms of location, and I got to tour the music building and found it to be very accessible. The atmosphere was also a huge factor; on my first day I met some faculty members and current students in my department, and they were so open and friendly. My blindness did not deter them from wanting to work with me, even though I was only a junior. They made me feel welcome and encouraged me to audition, which went a long way in my book. Shortly before I left the music building, I stopped in to the office and my mom saw a brochure for the university marching band. I had marched for all four years of high school plus in the 8th grade, so the fact that I wouldn't have to give that up in college really was a selling point for me. I remember walking to the car and telling my mom that I wanted to go here. Of course, she told me to look at other schools, take other tours, talk with other music department faculty at other universities, but nothing stuck as well at other schools; the campus wasn't as accessible, the people weren't as personable, the music program wasn't as diverse, etc. Overall, I just didn't feel like I would be as comfortable at other schools. I did talk with my disability coordinator at that first visit, and the staff was very helpful then and certainly made a good impression, but I attribute that more to their organization than to them selling their school. I have done similar interviews with other colleges, and did not receive the same welcoming or results from the meeting. I get to be totally in charge of my accomodations and communicate with my professors and the DS staff to get what I need. When something doesn't work, we collectively work to find an option that does. I love it here. Now, there are more factors to consider in that. I love what Lillie said about there being good and bad universities in the public and private sectors. Wright State, a university close to my own, says it has the best accessibility on campus and a top disabilities department in the country, but it was not a good fit for me. I felt the staff was a bit too custodial, the atmosphere wasn't my cup of tea, and most of all they do not have my program. These are all very important factors to consider along with disability services. They are important, but don't sell yourself short by making that a top priority and neglecting other really important factors. Good luck, and feel free to email me off list if you have any more questions. Sorry for the rant. On 1/16/14, Mary Fernandez wrote: > Sophie, > First, judging from your posts, you will have no problems advocating > for yourself, no matter where you go. > The best advice I can give, is to apply to colleges based on what you > want to get out of your college experience. I had very little guidance > when i applied to colleges, and indeed, had no idea that disability > services was even a thing I should think about, For me, it was about > academics, I had worked very hard in high school to try to get into > the best possible colleges I could. As a result, I did wind up > applying to private universities. But no matter whether you go to > private or public university, if a university receives any type of > federal funding, which every college and university in the country > does, except for like two, they must comply by ADA and section 504 > standards, meaning that you must have equal access. I've noticed that > a lot of colleges and universities which have a higher profile > reputation are a lot more willing to accommodate you as you need, even > if they have small disability offices. A huge part of that is that > they have a reputation to maintain, and the last thing they want to do > is open them to a law suit. Something else to keep in mind, is that > you must go to a place that you love, because inevitably things will > get rough, no matter where you go, but you are more likely to keep > fighting and stay strong, if you are going somewhere you really want > to be. I chose Emory University, not because it was the best > university to which I was accepted, though it is certainly a fine > institution, but because when i went to visit, I just fell in love and > knew that's where i wanted to spend the next four years. At one point > I had some serious issues with access, I requested braille books for > stats and music, and was flat out refused, I did have to fight it, but > after some rather savvy negotiation, during which they found out that > i knew my rights, and was not a shrinking violet, I got everything i > asked for, and never had a problem before. Overall, I had an > incredible college experience, and would not change anything about it, > because I went exactly where I wanted to go. > All that is to say, apply everywhere you'd love to go to, go visit, > and go where you fall in love. From there, you know what to do, meet > with ODS, meet with professors, and always communicate. And have a > great resource with NABS and NFB. > So best of luck! > Mary F > > > On 1/16/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Sophie, >> >> I agree with everything that has been said. Choose your college based >> on the corriculum and the people that you meet during your visits. >> While the disability resources should be a priority, it should not be >> your first. In my experience, I have actually found disability >> resources to be more accomidating at a private school than a public >> school. This is not at all a blanket statement; it is just based on >> my own experience. I started out at Ithaca College, a fairly >> well-known private college in upstate New York. I chose it for its >> music program, not for its disability services. The disability office >> was fairly small, but they were more than willing to work with me to >> provide the accomidations I needed. Also, the school of music >> coordinated with disability services very well. They assigned a grad >> student to prepare any hand-outs necessary for class, inputting the >> music into the computer. He would then e-mail it over to the >> disability services office where my case manager would then emboss it >> for me. When I transferred to a public university, the disability >> services office was much larger and had many more "resources", but I >> found that they were also very controling. They kept a close eye on >> me, requiring that I meet with my disability services mentor once a >> week just to check how everything was going. Also, rather than me >> discussing accomidations with them, they pretty much told me exactly >> what my accomidations would be and I had no say in the matter. If I >> didn't like what they wanted to do for me, I had to just deal with it. >> >> In essence, based on my experiences, I found that the smaller >> disability office with less resources was much more accomidating than >> the larger one with more resources. The larger one seemed to me more >> like a factory, churning out services for students. I seemed to be >> nothing more than a case number to them, whereas with the smaller >> office, I was treated as a person and asked what I wanted. My >> strongest point of advice is that which everyone else has said: choose >> the college based on the college, not based on their disability >> services. On the flip side, don't choose a college where you know >> you'll have to fight for everything because that will just ruin the >> whole college experience. If you have to advocate some, but you feel >> you can live with it and you love the college, then go with it. >> >> Sorry for the rambling novel. Hope this helps. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: >>> I keep close communication with my instructor also; my professors and I >>> have >>> worked around several issues. >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joshua >>> Hendrickson >>> Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2014 8:06 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>> >>> Hi Sophie. I can only agree with what everyone else has already stated. >>> I've only been to a community college thus far, but overall my >>> experiences >>> have been pretty positive. I can not stress strongly enough to advocate >>> for >>> yourself. My DSO was very good at getting me textbooks in audio format >>> and >>> getting me other things like handouts from teachers. I would visit the >>> colleges you are interested in, and talk to people at the DSO to see >>> what >>> services they offer. I don't now about the rest of you, but as I went >>> on >>> with doing my courses, I found myself relying on the DSO less and less >>> to >>> get things I needed. >>> I would just talk to my instructors and see if I could just have them >>> email >>> me handouts or just email my assignments to them instead of printing out >>> reports I'd done. I am looking forward to going to a university after >>> I've >>> gotten some indipendent Living training at a center in Chicago. Thanks >>> for >>> a great list. This is a great place to ask questions and get respectful >>> helpful answers from students who know what we're going through. >>> >>> On 1/16/14, justin williams wrote: >>>> My only experience has been at a public university; I've never been to >>>> a private university, so I can't really speak on those, but several of >>>> us have attended private universities. I attend the University of >>>> South Carolina. >>>> I've had a pretty good experience there. >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley >>>> Bramlett >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 10:20 PM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>>> >>>> Sophie, >>>> No there Is no resource to rank support services. I think you should >>>> visit schools you are interested like anyone else would. Visit the >>>> disability office and see what they offer. Sometimes if you voice a >>>> need, they might be able to do it, even if they have not before. >>>> >>>> It is generally true that private schools have smaller disability >>>> service, ds, offices. They have less staff, but also they have less >>>> students to serve. >>>> They may be less aware of disabled student needs but that's where >>>> advocacy comes in. >>>> >>>> Just go and visit the schools you want; loyola and tulane are great >>>> schools. >>>> I wouldn't prejudge services too much. Don't be discourage what one >>>> professor said. >>>> >>>> I went to a private catholic school, btw. I transferred out of george >>>> mason university, GMU. GMU is public. >>>> I liked the private school more because of smaller classes, small >>>> campus, upholding my religious values, no not catholic but do agree >>>> with some principles they have, the atmosphere, and religious >>>> activities. >>>> Oh, and the quality was excellent of instruction since you get >>>> professors, not grad students teaching your classes. Universities will >>>> have grad students teach some classes. >>>> >>>> Good luck with your decision. >>>> Ashley >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Sophie Trist >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 9:42 PM >>>> To: nabs >>>> Subject: [nabs-l] public versus private universities >>>> >>>> Greetings, >>>> >>>> I'm a junior in high school, and as such, I'm beginning to look for a >>>> college. The other day, a blind friend and I were talking about which >>>> colleges we were checking out, and I mentioned Loyola, which is a >>>> private Catholic university in New Orleans. My friend, whose mother is >>>> a professor at Tulane, another private New Orleans school, said that >>>> it was very difficult for blind people to attend private colleges >>>> because they weren't as good as protecting textbooks and other >>>> necessary materials. He said in general that private universities' >>>> disability services weren't as great as those of public universities. >>>> I know this is true for post-secondary public schools--they're more >>>> able to provide braille and technology than are private schools--so I >>>> was wondering if it was the same with colleges. Also, is there a list >>>> that ranks colleges' disability support? I know that whenever we visit >>>> a college, we visit the DS office, but I also know that those people >>>> are often trying to sell their school. So I was wondering if there was >>>> any concrete resource I could use for this information. Any info or >>> comments would be super helpful and appreciated! >>>> >>>> Yours sincerely, >>>> Sophie Trist >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>>> net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%4 >>>> 0gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.co >>>> m >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > — > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From NMPBRAT at aol.com Sat Jan 18 19:47:44 2014 From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 14:47:44 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone ever attended these colleges Message-ID: Hi All, I sent this message once (below)....but I'm not sure that it went through....so I am trying again. My apologies if you receive this twice. Nicole ------------------ Kelsey, Although I am not totally blind, I am legally blind and I obtained my Bachelors in Special Education from Kent State University (main campus). I spent all four years there and overall had a great experience there. I also looked at other colleges like Bowling Green, Akron U., OSU, etc. I found Kent State's campus to be one of the easiest to navigate. I felt their Disability Services (at least at the time when I was there) was excellent. I felt that most of my professors were accommodating and helpful (you're always going to have at least one bad apple in the bunch). I also liked their transportation around campus. So, I would give them a high overall rating and say that my experiences there were very positive. Please feel free to email me off-list with any other questions you may have. Nicole Poston In a message dated 1/17/2014 5:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, piano.girl0299 at gmail.com writes: Hello, I just obtained my degree, but it was not in the field I ooiginally considered. I originally considered either speech therapy or education. I started my college courses at a satelite location of the University of Akron and tranferred to a smaller school because my parents and I agreed that they did not want me living in downtown Akron. Therefore, in a few years once I have gotten a decent job and am able to afford it, I think I would like to go baca to school and persue one of the fields mentioned earlier. Unfortunately, I have discovered that private schools are so much more expensive than state schools. Plus, the speech therapy program is only offered at the larger state schools, so I have no choice but to go there. Therefore, I am trying to see if I can talk to a blind student who has gone to a larger college and get their opinions. The college where I obtained my bachelor's degree from had a total student population of 2,000, smaller than my high school. Has anyone ever attended or know someone who has attended any of the following schools: University of Akron, Bowling Green State University, Edinboro University of Pennsylvania, or Kent State University. All these schools have my program and are all public universities, so tuition would be cheaper. I did consider Akron and bg and visited both campuses a while back, but I did not get a chance to tour the bg campus in its entirety. All I can remember is that the campus wasn't too bad. If you have or know someone who attended these schools, what did they think of it? Was the campus accessible to a blind person? Were professors helpful? Please feel free to write me offlist and share your experiences. Thanks, Kelsey Nicolay _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 19 02:36:45 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Message-ID: <82A7EFC9-4325-4BC6-B65B-07DF6E8D5079@icloud.com> Hi, As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? Sincerely, Mikayla P.S. I will be more careful next time. Sent from my iPad From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 02:42:36 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:42:36 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Message-ID: <52db3bae.054e440a.6702.1739@mx.google.com> Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. braillenote-request at freelists.org i think ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart , pibe-division at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Hi, As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? Sincerely, Mikayla P.S. I will be more careful next time. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 19 02:51:41 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:51:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! In-Reply-To: <52db3bae.054e440a.6702.1739@mx.google.com> References: <52db3bae.054e440a.6702.1739@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thank you, Marissa. Sent from my iPad On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, marissa wrote: > > Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. > braillenote-request at freelists.org i think > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org, National Association of Blind Students mailing list, pibe-division at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Hi, > As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > P.S. I will be more careful next time. > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 02:57:07 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 18:57:07 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Message-ID: <52db3f14.858a440a.64f5.1591@mx.google.com> Let me know if that is the correct one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. braillenote-request at freelists.org i think ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart , pibe-division at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Hi, As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? Sincerely, Mikayla P.S. I will be more careful next time. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 19 02:59:59 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:59:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! In-Reply-To: <52db3f14.858a440a.64f5.1591@mx.google.com> References: <52db3f14.858a440a.64f5.1591@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <709EC13B-B4E2-47C4-911C-24A1C66B3ACD@icloud.com> Yes, it is. Are you a member of the list? Sent from my iPad On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:57 PM, marissa wrote: > > Let me know if that is the correct one. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:51:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Thank you, Marissa. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. > braillenote-request at freelists.org i think > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org, National Association of Blind Students mailing list, pibe-division at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Hi, > As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > P.S. I will be more careful next time. > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 07:19:13 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 23:19:13 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Message-ID: <52db7c82.a7dd420a.5346.4123@mx.google.com> Yes, I am. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Let me know if that is the correct one. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. braillenote-request at freelists.org i think ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart , pibe-division at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Hi, As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? Sincerely, Mikayla P.S. I will be more careful next time. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From kerrik2006 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 08:57:16 2014 From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 03:57:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] has anyone ever attended these colleges In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Kelsey: I attend West Virginia University, which is a large university. I don't have much info for you, but here is what I do know. I have a friend named Jennifer whose best friend currently attends Kent State. When this person (the one who attends Kent State) first moved in, she told Jennifer and I that she saw a blind girl using a cane. She didn't know the girl's name, or anything about her, but she said the girl was blind and was using a cane and the girl was leaving the dorm and heading out. So, I do know that at least one blind person is currently attending Kent State. Also, you may want to check with the president of the Ohio Association of Blind Students and see if he/she knows of anyone currently attending Kent State. Hope this info helps. Kerri On 1/18/14, NMPBRAT at aol.com wrote: > Hi All, > I sent this message once (below)....but I'm not sure that it went > through....so I am trying again. My apologies if you receive this twice. > > Nicole > ------------------ > > Kelsey, > Although I am not totally blind, I am legally blind and I obtained my > Bachelors in Special Education from Kent State University (main campus). I > > spent all four years there and overall had a great experience there. I > also > looked at other colleges like Bowling Green, Akron U., OSU, etc. I found > Kent State's campus to be one of the easiest to navigate. I felt their > Disability Services (at least at the time when I was there) was excellent. > I > felt that most of my professors were accommodating and helpful (you're > always > going to have at least one bad apple in the bunch). I also liked their > transportation around campus. > So, I would give them a high overall rating and say that my experiences > there were very positive. > Please feel free to email me off-list with any other questions you may > have. > > Nicole Poston > > > In a message dated 1/17/2014 5:54:43 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > piano.girl0299 at gmail.com writes: > > Hello, > I just obtained my degree, but it was not in the field I > ooiginally considered. I originally considered either speech > therapy or education. I started my college courses at a satelite > location of the University of Akron and tranferred to a smaller > school because my parents and I agreed that they did not want me > living in downtown Akron. Therefore, in a few years once I have > gotten a decent job and am able to afford it, I think I would > like to go baca to school and persue one of the fields mentioned > earlier. Unfortunately, I have discovered that private schools > are so much more expensive than state schools. Plus, the speech > therapy program is only offered at the larger state schools, so I > have no choice but to go there. Therefore, I am trying to see if > I can talk to a blind student who has gone to a larger college > and get their opinions. The college where I obtained my > bachelor's degree from had a total student population of 2,000, > smaller than my high school. Has anyone ever attended or know > someone who has attended any of the following schools: University > of Akron, Bowling Green State University, Edinboro University of > Pennsylvania, or Kent State University. All these schools have > my program and are all public universities, so tuition would be > cheaper. I did consider Akron and bg and visited both campuses a > while back, but I did not get a chance to tour the bg campus in > its entirety. All I can remember is that the campus wasn't too > bad. If you have or know someone who attended these schools, > what did they think of it? Was the campus accessible to a blind > person? Were professors helpful? Please feel free to write me > offlist and share your experiences. > Thanks, > Kelsey Nicolay > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kerrik2006%40gmail.com > From mikgephart at icloud.com Sun Jan 19 16:05:02 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:05:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! In-Reply-To: <52db7c82.a7dd420a.5346.4123@mx.google.com> References: <52db7c82.a7dd420a.5346.4123@mx.google.com> Message-ID: However, now it is saying that it does not support the Apex. Sent from my iPad On Jan 19, 2014, at 2:19 AM, marissa wrote: > > Yes, I am. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:59:59 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Yes, it is. Are you a member of the list? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:57 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Let me know if that is the correct one. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:51:41 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Thank you, Marissa. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, marissa wrote: > > > Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. > braillenote-request at freelists.org i think > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org, National Association of Blind Students mailing list, pibe-division at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Hi, > As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > P.S. I will be more careful next time. > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 > icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Sun Jan 19 16:56:00 2014 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:56:00 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files Message-ID: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, I am attempting to download a file from a website and read it on my Victor Stream. The only options available are BRF and DOC. I saved both formats into my Other Books folder on my SD card. However, neither file showed up when I put the card in the Stream. All of my MP3 downloads are visible and usable, but not these BRF and DOC files. Does the Victor Stream support any file types other than MP3? Thanks. Merlyn Hileman From louvins at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 17:57:23 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 11:57:23 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files In-Reply-To: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Hi. You are putting the files in the wrong folder. The stream will support a lot of different file types. The text files such as txt rtf, .doc and .brf, all go in the $Vrtxt folder. Once you move the files to the $VRTXT folder the files will play correctly. If you need help with your stream, please email me privately at louvins at gmail.com, and I wil be happy to give you somepointers. Good luck. On 1/19/14, Merlyn Hileman wrote: > Hi all, > I am attempting to download a file from a website and read it on my > Victor Stream. The only options available are BRF and DOC. I saved both > formats into my Other Books folder on my SD card. However, neither file > showed up when I put the card in the Stream. All of my MP3 downloads > are visible and usable, but not these BRF and DOC files. Does the > Victor Stream support any file types other than MP3? Thanks. > > > Merlyn Hileman > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 19 20:37:16 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:37:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files In-Reply-To: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> References: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: the stream supports both file types I thought. -----Original Message----- From: Merlyn Hileman Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:56 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files Hi all, I am attempting to download a file from a website and read it on my Victor Stream. The only options available are BRF and DOC. I saved both formats into my Other Books folder on my SD card. However, neither file showed up when I put the card in the Stream. All of my MP3 downloads are visible and usable, but not these BRF and DOC files. Does the Victor Stream support any file types other than MP3? Thanks. Merlyn Hileman _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 20:49:37 2014 From: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com (Patrick Bennet) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:49:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel Message-ID: Hey everyone, I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably explain. For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. Thanks, Pat From mistydbradley at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 20:59:32 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:59:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Pat, I have used both types of canes. I was also taught the way you were taught with the standard aluminum folding canes, and that is what I am currently using now, because it folds. I have also used the NFB canes for a few years, and there is a different way you hold it. Also, the gripe is not made of rubber like the gulf club style grips on the other canes, and the grip is completely rounded with no flat side to it like the traditional folding canes have. I think the reason you hold the standard folding cane in the way you described is because of the style of handle, because it does have a flat side on the cane grip, but the NFB canes do not have this. The NFB canes are also lighter, and I think you can still move the tip along the ground, since the tip is round and kind of flat like a disc or a circle. The only thing I didn't like about the NFB canes is that they don't fold, although the NFB does offer a telescoping cane that folds into itself, but I didn't have much success with those, because they tended to fold/collapse when I didn't want them to. The NFB canes do seem to offer more tactile feedback though, since you can feel a little more with it, but I think that both canes are good, and it depends on a person's individual preference on the grip style, weight of the cane, and the convenience of folding. Hth, Misty -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bennet Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:49 PM To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel Hey everyone, I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably explain. For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 21:28:02 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 14:28:02 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Pat, I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it boils down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because it is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of buildings and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane is, of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this to be as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more than make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare occasions, like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a slight inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if it doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever you want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't do efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision to do it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can learn structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try it certainly works for me. Best, Kirte Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet wrote: > > Hey everyone, > > I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I > hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should > probably explain. > > For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I > was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to > be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think > they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That > is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. > > But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, > including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different > kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also > heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same > things. > > Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the > hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This > allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called > constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB > website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide > over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read > somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm > wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to > learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them > or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller > tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that > much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn > about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. > > Thanks, > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Sun Jan 19 21:38:44 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 13:38:44 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? In-Reply-To: <8394C8F1-38A1-40F8-979E-30021AAC999C@samobile.net> References: <52be212a.e71b310a.5d71.fffff1fcSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <015b01cf036c$4e0d9ce0$ea28d6a0$@gmail.com> <41C4B2FC000E4D64A80BE1E915C4660E@JAWS> <8394C8F1-38A1-40F8-979E-30021AAC999C@samobile.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140119095335.02042f20@comcast.net> Good morning, everyone, Rather than tell Jedi she's impeeding the flying of our freeky yet very free flags, we could just choose to mbrace the choice with which all of us are endowed to share amugst ourselves for today, car 408-209-3239 perspectives like one Jedi expressed has just as much a place to be aired, as do the one we embrace. Jedi's particular dis-enthusiasm, 3zlet's just s Jedi off as a bummerAt 02:58 PM 12/29/2013, Jedi Moerke wrote:Folks, >While I am glad that you are willing to discuss your private lives >with each other, I am not personally prepared to hear it. Will you >please refrain from discussing this on the list? Thank you. > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Dec 28, 2013, at 5:30 AM, "I. C. Bray" wrote: > > > > Dave, I'll tell you mine, if you tell me yours? ( smiley ) > > > > I am, of course only being fun & trying to relax the conversation. > > > > To everyone, > > > > Regardless of whatever fetishes you have, sexuality and intimacy, are > > definitely separate. > > Personality is key to Chemistry between people. > > I don't care how "HOT" or a person is, if you can't talk to them > be genuine > > and share humor, then you aren't going to make it in the bedroom or > > relationship... unless of course, the relationship is ONLY about sex. > > > > If SEX really is the only basis of the relationship, then fetishes should > > come out early, otherwise, you have to sneak them in... slowly. > > > > Speaking from experience? YES I AM. I try not to make my personal & > > private life this public, but it sounds like there is an open forum here > > with people who want perspective... I have some to share... you all are > > welcome to it. > > > > My best friend is a two-degreed Psycology Graduate who tought sex edd and > > does tons of comunity outreach. > > I have other friends who are Psychiatric doctors. This subject is a > > progressive one and it often doesn't get the benefit of being discussed > > without shame, or embarrassment. > > > > The thing that has my neck hair really raising is the borderline > personality > > trait of not respecting boundaries, and the mumbling to one's self. > > Sexuality, as we all know is key to some personal identity. It creates > > films like Psycho, and Blue Velvet and > > The Graduate and even Risky Business. > > > > advice: > > Someone professional should be notified regarding this person in the hopes > > that as a professional, they can investigate and prevent any escallation. > > I think blocking the number is, at this point, not a bad idea. > > For those of you who have fetishes, I think they are healthy and once you > > get over the initial uniqueness and fear of shame or embarrassment, you > > should let your freak flag fly. > > We all have our turn-ons and offs. I do too! Find a website > that is based > > upon your intrests & fetishes and make friends is what I'll tell > you to do. > > Diversity is the seasoning and spice of life. Sometimes it > will come at a > > cost, but it is the only life you have-- you should live it. > > > > Gawd I love open and friendly conversations regarding progressive > > subjects... I should have been a Hippie. LOL! > > > > Respectfully, > > Ian C. Bray > > Louisville, KY. > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 22:08:07 2014 From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 17:08:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? In-Reply-To: References: <52be212a.e71b310a.5d71.fffff1fcSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> <015b01cf036c$4e0d9ce0$ea28d6a0$@gmail.com> <41C4B2FC000E4D64A80BE1E915C4660E@JAWS> <003f01cf03d9$4b06b0f0$e11412d0$@gmail.com> <000a01cf03d9$c1f94880$45ebd980$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <57DA6167-3984-4E52-80EF-379F0C79968E@gmail.com> Sent from my iPhone > On Dec 28, 2013, at 10:26 AM, "I. C. Bray" bray at win.net> wrote: > > Justin, & Joe... > > > Am I sencing sarcasm here, or are you two genuinely expressing approval? > > Justin, What discussion group would that be? > "Blind Sexuality" GRIN > or > "Blind Fettish" ROFL > > Joe, > "COLORFUL"... is that "Republican Code" for something else? > SMILE. > > Cheers! > Ian. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "justin williams" > To: ; "'National Association of Blind Students mailing > list'" > Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:33 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? > > > : I'm sensing another discussion group forming... Grin. > : > : -----Original Message----- > : From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe > : Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 9:30 AM > : To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' > : Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? > : > : Hahaha, I hate pointless messages about as much as you do, but in my > : relatively short return to the NABS list, the message below was the most > : hilarious one so far. I'm really trying not to make this a waste of your > : time to read, especially in light of the serious topic, but nothing I > could > : write could top the carefree writing below. It made a Republican grin, and > : that's saying something. A bit bold, but there are nuggets of wisdom in > : Ian's colorful contribution. > : > : -----Original Message----- > : From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of I. C. Bray > : Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:30 AM > : To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > : Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice? > : > : Dave, I'll tell you mine, if you tell me yours? ( smiley ) > : > : I am, of course only being fun & trying to relax the conversation. > : > : To everyone, > : > : Regardless of whatever fetishes you have, sexuality and intimacy, are > : definitely separate. > : Personality is key to Chemistry between people. > : I don't care how "HOT" or a person is, if you can't talk to them be > genuine > : and share humor, then you aren't going to make it in the bedroom or > : relationship... unless of course, the relationship is ONLY about sex. > : > : If SEX really is the only basis of the relationship, then fetishes should > : come out early, otherwise, you have to sneak them in... slowly. > : > : Speaking from experience? YES I AM. I try not to make my personal & > : private life this public, but it sounds like there is an open forum here > : with people who want perspective... I have some to share... you all are > : welcome to it. > : > : My best friend is a two-degreed Psycology Graduate who tought sex edd and > : does tons of comunity outreach. > : I have other friends who are Psychiatric doctors. This subject is a > : progressive one and it often doesn't get the benefit of being discussed > : without shame, or embarrassment. > : > : The thing that has my neck hair really raising is the borderline > personality > : trait of not respecting boundaries, and the mumbling to one's self. > : Sexuality, as we all know is key to some personal identity. It creates > : films like Psycho, and Blue Velvet and The Graduate and even Risky > Business. > : > : advice: > : Someone professional should be notified regarding this person in the hopes > : that as a professional, they can investigate and prevent any escallation. > : I think blocking the number is, at this point, not a bad idea. > : For those of you who have fetishes, I think they are healthy and once you > : get over the initial uniqueness and fear of shame or embarrassment, you > : should let your freak flag fly. > : We all have our turn-ons and offs. I do too! Find a website that is > based > : upon your intrests & fetishes and make friends is what I'll tell you to > do. > : Diversity is the seasoning and spice of life. Sometimes it will come at > a > : cost, but it is the only life you have-- you should live it. > : > : Gawd I love open and friendly conversations regarding progressive > : subjects... I should have been a Hippie. LOL! > : > : Respectfully, > : Ian C. Bray > : Louisville, KY. > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > : nabs-l: > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > : nabs-l: > : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > : .com > : > : > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mkvnfb94%40gmail.com Hi. I wanted to introduce myself. I am Mariya Casileva, and I thought that your thoughts about the harrassment situation were quite interesting and very logical. From clb5590 at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 23:17:00 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:17:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> References: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat, Great questions! I was a huge NFB cane critic, and I refused to use one until I worked at a camp for blind kids and my folding cane tip broke. I knew it would be a while before a new one would ship in the mail, so I resorted to our cane bin of peoples’ old canes which were all straight. By the time I got my new cane tip, I loved my NFB cane and returned the tip. I like NFB canes because they are lighter. Often, when walking for long distances, my wrist would hurt, and I did not like that. I thought it was just a side effect of using a cane, but I realized it was a side effect of using a heavier cane. I like the awesome feedback I get. The metal tip echoes well and picks up fine differences in types of ground such as bricks vs concrete, cracks in the sidewalk, etc. Although I don’t use constant contact as a main technique, I do a sweeping motion at a corner after I cross a street to survey it, and I do not have trouble with this. The cane is lightweight, and I have developed a method of using my cane where my arm stays flexible, so my sweeping motion is smooth and doesn’t usually catch. I find that using a 2 point touch technique is easier for me and gives me the information I need, and I save the constant technique for when I need to locate something very hard to define like light rail tracks imbedded in the street. Furthermore, the cane’s lightweight quality combined with a flexible usage allows the cane to bend a lot if people trip over it. A lot of people think that NFB canes break more often, and they might, but I have found that being relaxed while I use my cane means it is quite bendable and resilient. I had the same ideas about storing my NFB cane. I admit that in some small cars full of people, it can be inconvenient. However, you can store your cane along the side of the car, along the door, and similarly beside the fuselage on airplanes. When I go to restaurants, and if I am asked for my preference, I ask for a booth or a table along a wall. I do find these types of tables easier for storing canes. However, if I am at a table in the middle of a restaurant, I lay it on the floor across the table and it rarely is an inconvenience. If I am at a table in the middle and I notice a post or some other structure against which my cane can stand, I will store it there. When I got to theaters or to classroom settings, I lay my cane on the floor. I might tell my neighbors that it is there just so they know, but it is rarely an inconvenience to anyone. I have occasionally had to ask someone to move their foot or bag to pick up my cane, but it really hasn’t raised an issue for me. Like cirt said, the benefits outweigh the negatives for me. The philosophical component of using a straight cane is this. We don’t like to hide blindness. We believe that it is respectable to be blind and that we do not need to “fold it up” and “put blindness away.” In my personal experience, back when I did not respect myself, I often folded up my cane as soon as I could. Often, new acquaintances did not know what my cane was and did not know how to ask questions about it because it disappeared so often. Furthermore, I associated it with embarrassment. By using a straight cane, I immediately make it clear that I am blind. I can’t hide it anymore, and from practicing that, I have gained more respect for myself, and I have become a lot more comfortable with answering questions and a lot more confident. My transition contained a lot more components than switching to straight canes, but it was one of the most public displays that marked a positive transition in my life. I would encourage you to order a free NFB cane from our website, www.nfb.org. You can get a free one and try it for yourself. When you start to use it, feel free to ask us questions. At first, you will think that it is too light and that you are going to drop it constantly. But I promise that if you stick with it for a week, you will get more of an idea of whether it works better for you. I also have ordered a folding NFB cane. I always keep this in my bookbag. Having a backup cane and backup tips is always smart, and there are rare occasions like Cirt’s amusement park example in which bringing your folding cane can be advantageous. Great to meet you. Too bad you spell your last name incorrectly. :) Cindy On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: > Pat, > I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it boils > down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because it > is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the > increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of buildings > and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, > Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane is, > of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this to be > as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly > annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more than > make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) > canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare occasions, > like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a slight > inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if it > doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever you > want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just > because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't do > efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision to do > it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can learn > structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try it > certainly works for me. > Best, > Kirte > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet >> wrote: >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >> hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should >> probably explain. >> >> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I >> was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to >> be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think >> they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That >> is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. >> >> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >> kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also >> heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same >> things. >> >> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >> hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This >> allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called >> constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB >> website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide >> over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read >> somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm >> wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to >> learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them >> or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller >> tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that >> much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn >> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Sun Jan 19 23:34:49 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 15:34:49 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: <101AF629-6505-423B-A451-43961885ECF8@gmail.com> Hi Pat, Kirt and Cindy have already given you great information so I’m going to try to make this short, sweet and somewhat useful *smile* Regarding Gripping the NFB cane, the “open palm”or “palm-up” technique is one people tend to use with their canes. You do this by wrapping your hand around the cane with your palm facing up. a loose grip on the cane is very much adequate and takes less strain and energy because you can relax the arm and still pick up the information you need. Welcome to the list, friend. Darian On Jan 19, 2014, at 3:17 PM, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Pat, > > Great questions! I was a huge NFB cane critic, and I refused to use > one until I worked at a camp for blind kids and my folding cane tip > broke. I knew it would be a while before a new one would ship in the > mail, so I resorted to our cane bin of peoples’ old canes which were > all straight. By the time I got my new cane tip, I loved my NFB cane > and returned the tip. > > I like NFB canes because they are lighter. Often, when walking for > long distances, my wrist would hurt, and I did not like that. I > thought it was just a side effect of using a cane, but I realized it > was a side effect of using a heavier cane. > > I like the awesome feedback I get. The metal tip echoes well and picks > up fine differences in types of ground such as bricks vs concrete, > cracks in the sidewalk, etc. > > Although I don’t use constant contact as a main technique, I do a > sweeping motion at a corner after I cross a street to survey it, and I > do not have trouble with this. The cane is lightweight, and I have > developed a method of using my cane where my arm stays flexible, so my > sweeping motion is smooth and doesn’t usually catch. I find that using > a 2 point touch technique is easier for me and gives me the > information I need, and I save the constant technique for when I need > to locate something very hard to define like light rail tracks > imbedded in the street. Furthermore, the cane’s lightweight quality > combined with a flexible usage allows the cane to bend a lot if people > trip over it. A lot of people think that NFB canes break more often, > and they might, but I have found that being relaxed while I use my > cane means it is quite bendable and resilient. > > I had the same ideas about storing my NFB cane. I admit that in some > small cars full of people, it can be inconvenient. However, you can > store your cane along the side of the car, along the door, and > similarly beside the fuselage on airplanes. When I go to restaurants, > and if I am asked for my preference, I ask for a booth or a table > along a wall. I do find these types of tables easier for storing > canes. However, if I am at a table in the middle of a restaurant, I > lay it on the floor across the table and it rarely is an > inconvenience. If I am at a table in the middle and I notice a post or > some other structure against which my cane can stand, I will store it > there. When I got to theaters or to classroom settings, I lay my cane > on the floor. I might tell my neighbors that it is there just so they > know, but it is rarely an inconvenience to anyone. I have occasionally > had to ask someone to move their foot or bag to pick up my cane, but > it really hasn’t raised an issue for me. Like cirt said, the benefits > outweigh the negatives for me. > > The philosophical component of using a straight cane is this. We don’t > like to hide blindness. We believe that it is respectable to be blind > and that we do not need to “fold it up” and “put blindness away.” In > my personal experience, back when I did not respect myself, I often > folded up my cane as soon as I could. Often, new acquaintances did not > know what my cane was and did not know how to ask questions about it > because it disappeared so often. Furthermore, I associated it with > embarrassment. By using a straight cane, I immediately make it clear > that I am blind. I can’t hide it anymore, and from practicing that, I > have gained more respect for myself, and I have become a lot more > comfortable with answering questions and a lot more confident. My > transition contained a lot more components than switching to straight > canes, but it was one of the most public displays that marked a > positive transition in my life. > > I would encourage you to order a free NFB cane from our website, > www.nfb.org. You can get a free one and try it for yourself. When you > start to use it, feel free to ask us questions. At first, you will > think that it is too light and that you are going to drop it > constantly. But I promise that if you stick with it for a week, you > will get more of an idea of whether it works better for you. > > I also have ordered a folding NFB cane. I always keep this in my > bookbag. Having a backup cane and backup tips is always smart, and > there are rare occasions like Cirt’s amusement park example in which > bringing your folding cane can be advantageous. > > Great to meet you. Too bad you spell your last name incorrectly. :) > > Cindy > > On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: >> Pat, >> I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it boils >> down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because it >> is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the >> increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of buildings >> and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, >> Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane is, >> of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this to be >> as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly >> annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more than >> make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) >> canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare occasions, >> like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a slight >> inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if it >> doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever you >> want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just >> because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't do >> efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision to do >> it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can learn >> structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try it >> certainly works for me. >> Best, >> Kirte >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >>> hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should >>> probably explain. >>> >>> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I >>> was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to >>> be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think >>> they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That >>> is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. >>> >>> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >>> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >>> kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also >>> heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same >>> things. >>> >>> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >>> hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This >>> allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called >>> constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB >>> website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide >>> over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read >>> somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm >>> wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to >>> learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them >>> or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller >>> tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that >>> much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn >>> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 20 00:28:37 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 19:28:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Pat, I've used both canes; some on my own and when I needed to to as sort of a almost requirement at our state center; I say almost a requirement as its not a policy but they prefer it. You were taught right for your type of cane. In constant contact, the index finger is pointed down the flat side of the grip. NFB canes are made of something different, fiber glass I think. They are lighter, straight, and have a metal tip. Yes I did find it harder to use constant contact with a metal tip. The nfb canes are held with an open palm technique. As others said, the advantage is the light weight which is great for long periods of travel. It is also more sensative in feedback than other canes. Also, if you tap the cane from side to side, you will likely hear more echos from its tip. The metal tip gives you more auditory feedback. If you are happy with your cane, then it is fine, but if you find the weight a problem, I suggest giving nfb canes a try; order one from the website. Also, I have switched from the heavy aluminum canes I received as a kid in school and have not gone back. Now I use a light weight graphite cane from advantage canes. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Patrick Bennet Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:49 PM To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel Hey everyone, I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably explain. For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 01:17:24 2014 From: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com (Patrick Bennet) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:17:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you for all the nice responses, everyone. I find this fascinating. I've been looking more at the NFB website and reading the monthly newsletter. I must admit I've never given this any real thought before. I've never found the cane I use heavy or bothersome, but then again it's all I've ever really known. Until I started reading about it I didn't know people had preferences or that there were different types and styles. The philosophy component is different than what I'm used to. I've never thought about hiding my blindness or anything like that, but I've never looked at the cane as anything more than a useful tool that simply gives me information. The light weight of your cane seems like a definite advantage here. I don't really understand the advantage of the two point touch, though. I guess logically, it seems that you get more information by sliding and/or would miss information in front of you if the cane only touches down at two points instead of constantly keeping contact with the ground. My gut reaction to some of your thoughts on small cars, classrooms and restaurants is that a nonfolding cane would indeed be cumbersome. But maybe that's more of an attitude adjustment than anything. If it's free, why not try it? I can only learn something new, right? I also don't really understand the palm-up technique. I just tried gripping my cane with my palm facing the sky and it felt really odd. I had trouble figuring out how to swing and move it, although again that might just be because I've never used it before. Thanks, Pat On 1/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Hi Pat, > > Great questions! I was a huge NFB cane critic, and I refused to use > one until I worked at a camp for blind kids and my folding cane tip > broke. I knew it would be a while before a new one would ship in the > mail, so I resorted to our cane bin of peoples’ old canes which were > all straight. By the time I got my new cane tip, I loved my NFB cane > and returned the tip. > > I like NFB canes because they are lighter. Often, when walking for > long distances, my wrist would hurt, and I did not like that. I > thought it was just a side effect of using a cane, but I realized it > was a side effect of using a heavier cane. > > I like the awesome feedback I get. The metal tip echoes well and picks > up fine differences in types of ground such as bricks vs concrete, > cracks in the sidewalk, etc. > > Although I don’t use constant contact as a main technique, I do a > sweeping motion at a corner after I cross a street to survey it, and I > do not have trouble with this. The cane is lightweight, and I have > developed a method of using my cane where my arm stays flexible, so my > sweeping motion is smooth and doesn’t usually catch. I find that using > a 2 point touch technique is easier for me and gives me the > information I need, and I save the constant technique for when I need > to locate something very hard to define like light rail tracks > imbedded in the street. Furthermore, the cane’s lightweight quality > combined with a flexible usage allows the cane to bend a lot if people > trip over it. A lot of people think that NFB canes break more often, > and they might, but I have found that being relaxed while I use my > cane means it is quite bendable and resilient. > > I had the same ideas about storing my NFB cane. I admit that in some > small cars full of people, it can be inconvenient. However, you can > store your cane along the side of the car, along the door, and > similarly beside the fuselage on airplanes. When I go to restaurants, > and if I am asked for my preference, I ask for a booth or a table > along a wall. I do find these types of tables easier for storing > canes. However, if I am at a table in the middle of a restaurant, I > lay it on the floor across the table and it rarely is an > inconvenience. If I am at a table in the middle and I notice a post or > some other structure against which my cane can stand, I will store it > there. When I got to theaters or to classroom settings, I lay my cane > on the floor. I might tell my neighbors that it is there just so they > know, but it is rarely an inconvenience to anyone. I have occasionally > had to ask someone to move their foot or bag to pick up my cane, but > it really hasn’t raised an issue for me. Like cirt said, the benefits > outweigh the negatives for me. > > The philosophical component of using a straight cane is this. We don’t > like to hide blindness. We believe that it is respectable to be blind > and that we do not need to “fold it up” and “put blindness away.” In > my personal experience, back when I did not respect myself, I often > folded up my cane as soon as I could. Often, new acquaintances did not > know what my cane was and did not know how to ask questions about it > because it disappeared so often. Furthermore, I associated it with > embarrassment. By using a straight cane, I immediately make it clear > that I am blind. I can’t hide it anymore, and from practicing that, I > have gained more respect for myself, and I have become a lot more > comfortable with answering questions and a lot more confident. My > transition contained a lot more components than switching to straight > canes, but it was one of the most public displays that marked a > positive transition in my life. > > I would encourage you to order a free NFB cane from our website, > www.nfb.org. You can get a free one and try it for yourself. When you > start to use it, feel free to ask us questions. At first, you will > think that it is too light and that you are going to drop it > constantly. But I promise that if you stick with it for a week, you > will get more of an idea of whether it works better for you. > > I also have ordered a folding NFB cane. I always keep this in my > bookbag. Having a backup cane and backup tips is always smart, and > there are rare occasions like Cirt’s amusement park example in which > bringing your folding cane can be advantageous. > > Great to meet you. Too bad you spell your last name incorrectly. :) > > Cindy > > On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: >> Pat, >> I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it boils >> down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because >> it >> is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the >> increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of >> buildings >> and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, >> Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane >> is, >> of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this to >> be >> as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly >> annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more >> than >> make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) >> canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare >> occasions, >> like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a >> slight >> inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if it >> doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever >> you >> want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just >> because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't do >> efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision to >> do >> it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can >> learn >> structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try it >> certainly works for me. >> Best, >> Kirte >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hey everyone, >>> >>> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >>> hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should >>> probably explain. >>> >>> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I >>> was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to >>> be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think >>> they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That >>> is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. >>> >>> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >>> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >>> kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also >>> heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same >>> things. >>> >>> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >>> hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This >>> allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called >>> constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB >>> website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide >>> over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read >>> somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm >>> wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to >>> learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them >>> or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller >>> tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that >>> much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn >>> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Pat >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/patrick.bennet807%40gmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 01:30:31 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 18:30:31 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Pat, While open palm can certainly be a bit awkward at first I think the principle of it would make more sense once you see just how line these straight canes are, in addition to the handles/Grits being completely different. My personal opinion is that, while constant contact might give you A whole bunch of extra information, certainly useful sometimes, The echo I get from tapping my cane is usually more important to me. I typically use a slide touch technique where I will tap my cane on the left side of my arc, then do more or less constant contact until the right side of my arc, then bring it back to my left where I again tap… I've done it enough where I don't even think about it anymore and can go to either two-point touch or constant contact exclusively if it ever seems needed… though Cindy's example of finding light rail tracks is the only situation which I regularly deal with where I pretty much use constant contact exclusively. I think that's an accurate statement, anyhow, I usually just do what seems natural to me at the time without thinking about it too much. Best, Kirt Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Patrick Bennet wrote: > > Thank you for all the nice responses, everyone. I find this > fascinating. I've been looking more at the NFB website and reading the > monthly newsletter. I must admit I've never given this any real > thought before. I've never found the cane I use heavy or bothersome, > but then again it's all I've ever really known. Until I started > reading about it I didn't know people had preferences or that there > were different types and styles. The philosophy component is different > than what I'm used to. I've never thought about hiding my blindness or > anything like that, but I've never looked at the cane as anything more > than a useful tool that simply gives me information. > > The light weight of your cane seems like a definite advantage here. I > don't really understand the advantage of the two point touch, though. > I guess logically, it seems that you get more information by sliding > and/or would miss information in front of you if the cane only touches > down at two points instead of constantly keeping contact with the > ground. My gut reaction to some of your thoughts on small cars, > classrooms and restaurants is that a nonfolding cane would indeed be > cumbersome. But maybe that's more of an attitude adjustment than > anything. If it's free, why not try it? I can only learn something > new, right? > > I also don't really understand the palm-up technique. I just tried > gripping my cane with my palm facing the sky and it felt really odd. I > had trouble figuring out how to swing and move it, although again that > might just be because I've never used it before. > > Thanks, > Pat > >> On 1/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >> Hi Pat, >> >> Great questions! I was a huge NFB cane critic, and I refused to use >> one until I worked at a camp for blind kids and my folding cane tip >> broke. I knew it would be a while before a new one would ship in the >> mail, so I resorted to our cane bin of peoples’ old canes which were >> all straight. By the time I got my new cane tip, I loved my NFB cane >> and returned the tip. >> >> I like NFB canes because they are lighter. Often, when walking for >> long distances, my wrist would hurt, and I did not like that. I >> thought it was just a side effect of using a cane, but I realized it >> was a side effect of using a heavier cane. >> >> I like the awesome feedback I get. The metal tip echoes well and picks >> up fine differences in types of ground such as bricks vs concrete, >> cracks in the sidewalk, etc. >> >> Although I don’t use constant contact as a main technique, I do a >> sweeping motion at a corner after I cross a street to survey it, and I >> do not have trouble with this. The cane is lightweight, and I have >> developed a method of using my cane where my arm stays flexible, so my >> sweeping motion is smooth and doesn’t usually catch. I find that using >> a 2 point touch technique is easier for me and gives me the >> information I need, and I save the constant technique for when I need >> to locate something very hard to define like light rail tracks >> imbedded in the street. Furthermore, the cane’s lightweight quality >> combined with a flexible usage allows the cane to bend a lot if people >> trip over it. A lot of people think that NFB canes break more often, >> and they might, but I have found that being relaxed while I use my >> cane means it is quite bendable and resilient. >> >> I had the same ideas about storing my NFB cane. I admit that in some >> small cars full of people, it can be inconvenient. However, you can >> store your cane along the side of the car, along the door, and >> similarly beside the fuselage on airplanes. When I go to restaurants, >> and if I am asked for my preference, I ask for a booth or a table >> along a wall. I do find these types of tables easier for storing >> canes. However, if I am at a table in the middle of a restaurant, I >> lay it on the floor across the table and it rarely is an >> inconvenience. If I am at a table in the middle and I notice a post or >> some other structure against which my cane can stand, I will store it >> there. When I got to theaters or to classroom settings, I lay my cane >> on the floor. I might tell my neighbors that it is there just so they >> know, but it is rarely an inconvenience to anyone. I have occasionally >> had to ask someone to move their foot or bag to pick up my cane, but >> it really hasn’t raised an issue for me. Like cirt said, the benefits >> outweigh the negatives for me. >> >> The philosophical component of using a straight cane is this. We don’t >> like to hide blindness. We believe that it is respectable to be blind >> and that we do not need to “fold it up” and “put blindness away.” In >> my personal experience, back when I did not respect myself, I often >> folded up my cane as soon as I could. Often, new acquaintances did not >> know what my cane was and did not know how to ask questions about it >> because it disappeared so often. Furthermore, I associated it with >> embarrassment. By using a straight cane, I immediately make it clear >> that I am blind. I can’t hide it anymore, and from practicing that, I >> have gained more respect for myself, and I have become a lot more >> comfortable with answering questions and a lot more confident. My >> transition contained a lot more components than switching to straight >> canes, but it was one of the most public displays that marked a >> positive transition in my life. >> >> I would encourage you to order a free NFB cane from our website, >> www.nfb.org. You can get a free one and try it for yourself. When you >> start to use it, feel free to ask us questions. At first, you will >> think that it is too light and that you are going to drop it >> constantly. But I promise that if you stick with it for a week, you >> will get more of an idea of whether it works better for you. >> >> I also have ordered a folding NFB cane. I always keep this in my >> bookbag. Having a backup cane and backup tips is always smart, and >> there are rare occasions like Cirt’s amusement park example in which >> bringing your folding cane can be advantageous. >> >> Great to meet you. Too bad you spell your last name incorrectly. :) >> >> Cindy >> >>> On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: >>> Pat, >>> I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it boils >>> down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because >>> it >>> is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the >>> increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of >>> buildings >>> and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, >>> Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane >>> is, >>> of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this to >>> be >>> as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly >>> annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more >>> than >>> make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) >>> canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare >>> occasions, >>> like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a >>> slight >>> inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if it >>> doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever >>> you >>> want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just >>> because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't do >>> efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision to >>> do >>> it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can >>> learn >>> structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try it >>> certainly works for me. >>> Best, >>> Kirte >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet >>>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hey everyone, >>>> >>>> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >>>> hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should >>>> probably explain. >>>> >>>> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I >>>> was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to >>>> be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think >>>> they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That >>>> is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. >>>> >>>> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >>>> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >>>> kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also >>>> heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same >>>> things. >>>> >>>> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >>>> hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This >>>> allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called >>>> constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB >>>> website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide >>>> over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read >>>> somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm >>>> wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to >>>> learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them >>>> or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller >>>> tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that >>>> much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn >>>> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Pat >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/patrick.bennet807%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net Mon Jan 20 02:10:12 2014 From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 20:10:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 national convention Message-ID: hello, I apologize as you will probably see this more than once. The main expenses of the annual NFB convention are lodging, travel, and meals. I would like to know if someone would be interested in splitting the hotel cost for the week as this will probably force my decision to attend the convention. Various airlines will open their calendars to reservations past June 30th next week. There may be the chance of a $69 deal each way to Orlando but the tickets are non-refundable. I would appreciate hearing from a early 20's - early 40's non-smoking male at b.schulz at sbcglobal.net. thanks, Bryan Schulz From dsykora29 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 02:30:24 2014 From: dsykora29 at gmail.com (Danielle Sykora) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 21:30:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <57C9107E-AD06-49E0-A380-04F11D4369DC@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat, Everyone has already given a lot of good advice. I too have experience with both types of canes. While constant contact is definitely possible with an NFB cane, it is slightly more difficult. Because the metal tip gives more feedback, it tends to get stuck in cracks and things more often. I also find the non-folding factor slightly annoying in some situations although it isn't too difficult to solve this with a little creativity. I have found the weight of an aluminum cane to be quite cumbersome; however, I also don't particularly like the extreme light weight of the NFB canes much either. I have found a graphite cane to be a nice compromise. It all comes down to personal preference. Danielle On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: > Pat, > While open palm can certainly be a bit awkward at first I think the > principle of it would make more sense once you see just how line these > straight canes are, in addition to the handles/Grits being completely > different. My personal opinion is that, while constant contact might give > you A whole bunch of extra information, certainly useful sometimes, The echo > I get from tapping my cane is usually more important to me. I typically use > a slide touch technique where I will tap my cane on the left side of my arc, > then do more or less constant contact until the right side of my arc, then > bring it back to my left where I again tap… I've done it enough where I > don't even think about it anymore and can go to either two-point touch or > constant contact exclusively if it ever seems needed… though Cindy's example > of finding light rail tracks is the only situation which I regularly deal > with where I pretty much use constant contact exclusively. I think that's an > accurate statement, anyhow, I usually just do what seems natural to me at > the time without thinking about it too much. > Best, > Kirt > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 19, 2014, at 6:17 PM, Patrick Bennet >> wrote: >> >> Thank you for all the nice responses, everyone. I find this >> fascinating. I've been looking more at the NFB website and reading the >> monthly newsletter. I must admit I've never given this any real >> thought before. I've never found the cane I use heavy or bothersome, >> but then again it's all I've ever really known. Until I started >> reading about it I didn't know people had preferences or that there >> were different types and styles. The philosophy component is different >> than what I'm used to. I've never thought about hiding my blindness or >> anything like that, but I've never looked at the cane as anything more >> than a useful tool that simply gives me information. >> >> The light weight of your cane seems like a definite advantage here. I >> don't really understand the advantage of the two point touch, though. >> I guess logically, it seems that you get more information by sliding >> and/or would miss information in front of you if the cane only touches >> down at two points instead of constantly keeping contact with the >> ground. My gut reaction to some of your thoughts on small cars, >> classrooms and restaurants is that a nonfolding cane would indeed be >> cumbersome. But maybe that's more of an attitude adjustment than >> anything. If it's free, why not try it? I can only learn something >> new, right? >> >> I also don't really understand the palm-up technique. I just tried >> gripping my cane with my palm facing the sky and it felt really odd. I >> had trouble figuring out how to swing and move it, although again that >> might just be because I've never used it before. >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> >>> On 1/19/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: >>> Hi Pat, >>> >>> Great questions! I was a huge NFB cane critic, and I refused to use >>> one until I worked at a camp for blind kids and my folding cane tip >>> broke. I knew it would be a while before a new one would ship in the >>> mail, so I resorted to our cane bin of peoples’ old canes which were >>> all straight. By the time I got my new cane tip, I loved my NFB cane >>> and returned the tip. >>> >>> I like NFB canes because they are lighter. Often, when walking for >>> long distances, my wrist would hurt, and I did not like that. I >>> thought it was just a side effect of using a cane, but I realized it >>> was a side effect of using a heavier cane. >>> >>> I like the awesome feedback I get. The metal tip echoes well and picks >>> up fine differences in types of ground such as bricks vs concrete, >>> cracks in the sidewalk, etc. >>> >>> Although I don’t use constant contact as a main technique, I do a >>> sweeping motion at a corner after I cross a street to survey it, and I >>> do not have trouble with this. The cane is lightweight, and I have >>> developed a method of using my cane where my arm stays flexible, so my >>> sweeping motion is smooth and doesn’t usually catch. I find that using >>> a 2 point touch technique is easier for me and gives me the >>> information I need, and I save the constant technique for when I need >>> to locate something very hard to define like light rail tracks >>> imbedded in the street. Furthermore, the cane’s lightweight quality >>> combined with a flexible usage allows the cane to bend a lot if people >>> trip over it. A lot of people think that NFB canes break more often, >>> and they might, but I have found that being relaxed while I use my >>> cane means it is quite bendable and resilient. >>> >>> I had the same ideas about storing my NFB cane. I admit that in some >>> small cars full of people, it can be inconvenient. However, you can >>> store your cane along the side of the car, along the door, and >>> similarly beside the fuselage on airplanes. When I go to restaurants, >>> and if I am asked for my preference, I ask for a booth or a table >>> along a wall. I do find these types of tables easier for storing >>> canes. However, if I am at a table in the middle of a restaurant, I >>> lay it on the floor across the table and it rarely is an >>> inconvenience. If I am at a table in the middle and I notice a post or >>> some other structure against which my cane can stand, I will store it >>> there. When I got to theaters or to classroom settings, I lay my cane >>> on the floor. I might tell my neighbors that it is there just so they >>> know, but it is rarely an inconvenience to anyone. I have occasionally >>> had to ask someone to move their foot or bag to pick up my cane, but >>> it really hasn’t raised an issue for me. Like cirt said, the benefits >>> outweigh the negatives for me. >>> >>> The philosophical component of using a straight cane is this. We don’t >>> like to hide blindness. We believe that it is respectable to be blind >>> and that we do not need to “fold it up” and “put blindness away.” In >>> my personal experience, back when I did not respect myself, I often >>> folded up my cane as soon as I could. Often, new acquaintances did not >>> know what my cane was and did not know how to ask questions about it >>> because it disappeared so often. Furthermore, I associated it with >>> embarrassment. By using a straight cane, I immediately make it clear >>> that I am blind. I can’t hide it anymore, and from practicing that, I >>> have gained more respect for myself, and I have become a lot more >>> comfortable with answering questions and a lot more confident. My >>> transition contained a lot more components than switching to straight >>> canes, but it was one of the most public displays that marked a >>> positive transition in my life. >>> >>> I would encourage you to order a free NFB cane from our website, >>> www.nfb.org. You can get a free one and try it for yourself. When you >>> start to use it, feel free to ask us questions. At first, you will >>> think that it is too light and that you are going to drop it >>> constantly. But I promise that if you stick with it for a week, you >>> will get more of an idea of whether it works better for you. >>> >>> I also have ordered a folding NFB cane. I always keep this in my >>> bookbag. Having a backup cane and backup tips is always smart, and >>> there are rare occasions like Cirt’s amusement park example in which >>> bringing your folding cane can be advantageous. >>> >>> Great to meet you. Too bad you spell your last name incorrectly. :) >>> >>> Cindy >>> >>>> On 1/19/14, Kirt wrote: >>>> Pat, >>>> I've had lots of experience with both styles of cane and I think it >>>> boils >>>> down entirely too personal preference. I like the rigid NFB cane because >>>> it >>>> is light, it is longer and I really rely on the metal tip, both for the >>>> increased tactile feedback and for the Way that it echoes off of >>>> buildings >>>> and such when I tap it. That echo is particularly valuable for me, >>>> Especially in new/unfamiliar places. The biggest downside to this cane >>>> is, >>>> of course, it's inability to folder collapse… but I haven't found this >>>> to >>>> be >>>> as big of an issue as some people claim it to be. At most, it's slightly >>>> annoying every once in a while, and the canes redeeming qualities more >>>> than >>>> make up for that in my book. There are also NFB folding (not telescopic) >>>> canes which I kind of like every once in a while for those rare >>>> occasions, >>>> like some amusement parks where storage really can become more than a >>>> slight >>>> inconvenience. However, if you're happy with the aluminum cane, and if >>>> it >>>> doesn't hinder your ability to travel wherever you want to go whenever >>>> you >>>> want to go there, I won't tell you Myway would be better for you just >>>> because it works better for me. However, if that's something you can't >>>> do >>>> efficiently most of the time, or if you are relying on unstable vision >>>> to >>>> do >>>> it, I would strongly encourage you to find a good center where you can >>>> learn >>>> structure discovery and at least give th Fiberglas straight cane a try >>>> it >>>> certainly works for me. >>>> Best, >>>> Kirte >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 19, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Patrick Bennet >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hey everyone, >>>>> >>>>> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >>>>> hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should >>>>> probably explain. >>>>> >>>>> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I >>>>> was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to >>>>> be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think >>>>> they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That >>>>> is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. >>>>> >>>>> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >>>>> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >>>>> kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also >>>>> heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same >>>>> things. >>>>> >>>>> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >>>>> hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This >>>>> allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called >>>>> constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB >>>>> website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide >>>>> over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read >>>>> somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm >>>>> wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to >>>>> learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them >>>>> or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller >>>>> tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that >>>>> much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn >>>>> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Pat >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cindy Bennett >>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >>> >>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >>> clb5590 at gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/patrick.bennet807%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsykora29%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 04:47:39 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 23:47:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues Message-ID: <7D631A4D2C3148C7ADC3391E3A59DD1C@Helga> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for my Government class I need to complete an assignment regarding the Constitution, which is due for Thursday, January 23. Just to let you know the assignment is called “The Constitution Scavenger Hunt,” and my Professor’s instructions of the assignment are below in order for you to se it. Constitution Scavenger Hunt Exercise In this exercise you will locate in the U.S. Constitution items of importance to our system of governance and/or to individual rights. There is a copy of the Constitution in your e‐textbook, or you can find a link to an online version in the Constitution and Federalism lesson module. Instructions Identify the Article or Amendment and the section or paragraph of the Constitution in which each of the 16 items below is found, and provide the associated wording. Type your responses and bring the paper to class. Example: #) The establishment of the office of president and its term of office. What you need to do is read through the Constitution and find where this item is addressed, and then write down the exact words that describe it. See the example below: Article II, section 1: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the Term of four years” Some of the wording in the Constitution can be lengthy. Try not to use more than two sentences in your description. Choose the words/sentences that best describe the item. 1. The establishment of the House of Representatives and the Senate and the terms of office for members of each. 2. The power of Congress to collect taxes. 3. The qualifications to hold the office of president. 4. Requirement of the president to inform Congress of the state of union. 5. The establishment of judicial power in the United States. 6. Admission of new states to the union. 7. Changing or amending the Constitution. 8. The “supremacy clause.” 9. The prohibition of religious tests for holding office in the government. 10. You’re right to practice the religion of your choice. 11. Your protection from cruel and unusual punishment if you are convicted of a crime. 12. Your right to free speech. 13. The definition of who is a U.S. citizen. 14. The right of all citizens to equal protection of the laws. 15. The re‐legalization of alcohol after it had been outlawed for recreational use. 16. The right of 18‐year old citizens to vote. I just wanted to ask you do some of you have,or know where I can find the Constitution in Braille and a link that is accessible with JAWS in order for me to complete this assignment? And also, do you know where can I find a Website that has News Articles regarding Political Issues, regular Life issues? I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.s. I forgot to ask you, if you did this assignment before, how did you manage in completing it, since you have to read the entire constitution in order to find this items? Just curious! Thanks again! for all your time, and hope to hear from you soon! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 05:14:11 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:14:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> Pat, I would first like to welcome you to these lists and to our Federation. It is good to hear that you are investigating all your options and taking full advantage of the network of support and resources which this organization provides. While I have my own experiences to draw from, I find questions like these slightly hard to answer. I say this because I believe travel is very much a matter of personal preference. To me, there is no "correct" cane to use and no single appropriate way to use it. What works for me may not work for you, and what works for you may not work for another blind person, and so on. Contrary to what some might have you believe, even the NFB does not officially endorse one particular method of travel, though our members might have their own strong opinions on the subject. Our concern, I believe, is that blind people have the confidence and the skills needed to travel where we want to go, however we choose to get there. With this said, let me tell you what I have done and currently do in the hope that this will add more information to the advice you have already received. For a long time I used an Ambutech folding cane with a pencil tip. While this provided relatively good information, it was hard for me to tap it, so I primarily used constant contact. When I went to an NFB-sponsored youth program for the first time, I had to give up my folding cane and use a rigid NFB cane with a metal tip during my time there. I came home liking the rigid cane for its lightness and ease of use. I was finally able to tap with ease, which provided me with the auditory information the old Ambutech lacked. However, I found the straight cane sometimes cumbersome, especially in public places and in cars. There were many times when people would approach me and inform me that my cane was sticking out in the aisle at a concert hall/theater or in the middle of a walkway in a restaurant. The travel instructors at the Louisiana Center for the Blind said this was because I was not putting the cane down correctly, but despite my many attempts I was never able to get the darned thing out of the way. Perhaps this was my fault, not the cane's. I then used an NFB folding cane for a few months, but it soon broke and I was forced to go back to my straight cane. Now I use and love another Ambutech folding cane. It is one of their Ultra-Light models with an NFB-style metal tip. This cane is very durable and truly lives up to the ultra-light name. I was able to keep the metal tip I like and get much of the advantages I found in my NFB cane while still enjoying the convenience of its ability to fold. I would strongly encourage you to look into this cane as you are searching for the right one for you. As for cane technique, I believe there is no law which forces me to use one technique alone. I therefore use a variety of techniques at different times and in different situations. In most situations I find myself using the tap-slide (sometimes referred to as touch-drag) technique to which Kirt referred in his message. However, I sometimes switch to constant contact or 2-point-touch when I am approaching a certain surface, e.g. steps or escalators. I also use a technique called "pencil grip" whenever I am in a crowded or tight space. This involves sliding my hand down to about the middle of the shaft and sweeping with a narrower arc than I would in the usual, open-palm method. This technique helps me get through crowds while avoiding tripping anyone. When I am using sighted guide, I also often switch my cane to pencil grip to avoid drifting my cane out and hitting either the guide or another passerby. As you can see, then, there are many cane techniques you can use and many situations in which to use all of them. I would advise you to become familiar with all these methods and choose which works best for you at any given time. I hope these suggestions and experiences help you and I apologize for the lengthy message. As you investigate which cane and technique(s) works best for you, I would like to leave you with this thought: take what you like and leave the rest. You will find that the NFB has many members with many beliefs about travel and about blindness in general. There will be some who will try to persuade you that their way is the only way to go. Don't let that dissuade you from doing your own exploration. Only you know what is best for you. With this in mind, I leave you to consider my thoughts and those of others, but decide for yourself. Good luck in this endeavor. Chris Nusbaum -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Bennet Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:50 PM To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel Hey everyone, I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I hope you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably explain. For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be pretty commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always been used to. They seem decent enough. But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different kind of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard about something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the hand over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows the cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant contact. Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes have metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas but would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed to be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are lighter. Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. Thanks, Pat _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 20 05:21:51 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:21:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] office 365 Message-ID: <34F532F80C794C1D812376E4AADC1376@OwnerPC> Hi all, Microsoft has office 365, a cloud based service for your data. Is this accessible to any screen reader? Given it probably looks like an image, I would guess not. But just asking as I’m not assuming it. Ashley From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 05:24:06 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:24:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues In-Reply-To: <7D631A4D2C3148C7ADC3391E3A59DD1C@Helga> References: <7D631A4D2C3148C7ADC3391E3A59DD1C@Helga> Message-ID: <000d01cf159f$d785b080$86911180$@gmail.com> Helga, If you have an accessible copy of your class's textbook, you should be able to access the Constitution through that. If not, Googling "online U.S. Constitution" or something to that effect should turn up what you need. As for news Web sites, there are many options, though many of them can get pretty cluttered. I usually use http://www.theblaze.com or http://www.reuters.com. There is also CNN, Fox News, the newspapers, etc. Also, if you are looking for a specific story, you can always Google the topic. Above the search results heading, there is a link which is labelled "News." If you click on this link, it will show all news stories found in Google News matching your desired topic. This too is a great resource for current events research. Hope this helps, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:48 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for my Government class I need to complete an assignment regarding the Constitution, which is due for Thursday, January 23. Just to let you know the assignment is called “The Constitution Scavenger Hunt,” and my Professor’s instructions of the assignment are below in order for you to se it. Constitution Scavenger Hunt Exercise In this exercise you will locate in the U.S. Constitution items of importance to our system of governance and/or to individual rights. There is a copy of the Constitution in your e‐textbook, or you can find a link to an online version in the Constitution and Federalism lesson module. Instructions Identify the Article or Amendment and the section or paragraph of the Constitution in which each of the 16 items below is found, and provide the associated wording. Type your responses and bring the paper to class. Example: #) The establishment of the office of president and its term of office. What you need to do is read through the Constitution and find where this item is addressed, and then write down the exact words that describe it. See the example below: Article II, section 1: “The executive Power shall be vested in a President of the United States of America. He shall hold his office during the Term of four years” Some of the wording in the Constitution can be lengthy. Try not to use more than two sentences in your description. Choose the words/sentences that best describe the item. 1. The establishment of the House of Representatives and the Senate and the terms of office for members of each. 2. The power of Congress to collect taxes. 3. The qualifications to hold the office of president. 4. Requirement of the president to inform Congress of the state of union. 5. The establishment of judicial power in the United States. 6. Admission of new states to the union. 7. Changing or amending the Constitution. 8. The “supremacy clause.” 9. The prohibition of religious tests for holding office in the government. 10. You’re right to practice the religion of your choice. 11. Your protection from cruel and unusual punishment if you are convicted of a crime. 12. Your right to free speech. 13. The definition of who is a U.S. citizen. 14. The right of all citizens to equal protection of the laws. 15. The re‐legalization of alcohol after it had been outlawed for recreational use. 16. The right of 18‐year old citizens to vote. I just wanted to ask you do some of you have,or know where I can find the Constitution in Braille and a link that is accessible with JAWS in order for me to complete this assignment? And also, do you know where can I find a Website that has News Articles regarding Political Issues, regular Life issues? I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.s. I forgot to ask you, if you did this assignment before, how did you manage in completing it, since you have to read the entire constitution in order to find this items? Just curious! Thanks again! for all your time, and hope to hear from you soon! From robin-melvin at comcast.net Mon Jan 20 05:37:39 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 21:37:39 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. you are always telling us to lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we said, "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan association and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited thousands of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking ads in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation Breadbasket. [applause] Now, for fear that you may feel that it’s limited to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, Breadbasket has been equally successful in the South. Here the emphasis has been divided between governmental employment and private industry. And while I do not have time to go into the details, I want to commend the men who have been working with it here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. But here is the story that's not printed in the newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about twenty-five million dollars of new income to the Negro community every year. [applause] Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now gone national in the sense that we had a national conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide program, which you will hear more about. Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income housing with apartments for the elderly on a choice downtown Atlanta site under the sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project [applause], this is the first project of a proposed southwide Housing Development Corporation which we hope to develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation we hope to build housing from Mississippi to North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. And it is our feeling that in the next two or three years, we can build right here in the South forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, and with millions and millions of dollars in income coming to the Negro community. [applause] Now there are many other things that I could tell you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record of which we can all be proud. With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him. For more than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, he built the spanning bridges and the grand mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established America as a significant nation in international commerce. Even after his release from chattel slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became the richest, most powerful society in the history of man, but it left the Negro far behind. And so we still have a long, long way to go before we reach the promised land of freedom. Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a long and piercing winter of massive resistance, but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised land, there will still be gigantic mountains of opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of injustice. (Yes, That’s right) We still need some Paul Revere of conscience to alert every hamlet and every village of America that revolution is still at hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we need some North Star to guide us into a future shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do we go from here?" which is our theme, we must first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution was written, a strange formula to determine taxes and representation declared that the Negro was sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a double share: There are twice as many unemployed; the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double that of whites; and there are twice as many Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] In other spheres, the figures are equally alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) receive substantially less money per student than the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, however painful and exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That’s right), and now I’m not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of the people who were so sinful to make me a slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) Now another basic challenge is to discover how to organize our strength in to economic and political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, one of the great problems that the Negro confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the South to the newer ghettos of the North, the Negro has been confined to a life of voicelessness (That’s true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of the right to make decisions concerning his life and destiny he has been subject to the authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power structure. The plantation and the ghetto were created by those who had power, both to confine those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation between the forces of power demanding change and the forces of power dedicated to the preserving of the status quo. Now, power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political, and economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have our moral convictions and concerns, and so often we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong with power if power is used correctly. You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites, polar opposites, so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was this misinterpretation that caused the philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea of love. Now, we got to get this thing right. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love. (Speak) And this is what we must see as we move on. Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong and mixed up in our country, and this has led Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white Americans to seek their goals through power devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists today to advocate for Negroes the same destructive and conscienceless power that they have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) Now we must develop progress, or rather, a program­and I can't stay on this long­that will drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in the century this proposal would have been greeted with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of initiative and responsibility. At that time economic status was considered the measure of the individual's abilities and talents. And in the thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've come a long way in our understanding of human motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. Now we realize that dislocations in the market operation of our economy and the prevalence of discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them in constant or frequent unemployment against their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior and incompetent. We also know that no matter how dynamically the economy develops and expands, it does not eliminate all poverty. The problem indicates that our emphasis must be twofold: We must create full employment, or we must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one method or the other. Once they are placed in this position, we need to be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom traditional jobs are not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: The fact is that the work which improves the condition of mankind, the work which extends knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates thought, is not done to secure a living. It is not the work of slaves driven to their tasks either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. It is the work of men who somehow find a form of work that brings a security for its own sake and a state of society where want is abolished. Work of this sort could be enormously increased, and we are likely to find that the problem of housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination of poverty, will themselves be affected if poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter housing decay. Negroes, who have a double disability, will have a greater effect on discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use in their struggle. Beyond these advantages, a host of positive psychological changes inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his own hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he knows that he has the means to seek self-improvement. Personal conflicts between husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I say to you today, that if our nation can spend thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of dollars to put God's children on their own two feet right here on earth. [applause] Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial justice has been tragically etched in all the recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today I want to give the other side. There is something painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down within them, you perceive a desire for self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts riot and the other riots in various cities represented effective civil rights action. But those who express this view always end up with stumbling words when asked what concrete gains have been won as a result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional anti-poverty money allotted by frightened government officials and a few water sprinklers to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving the food in the prison while the people remain securely incarcerated behind bars. (That’s right) Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such as have the organized protest demonstrations. And when one tries to pin down advocates of violence as to what acts would be effective, the answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing racist state and local governments and they talk about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing a government by violence unless the government had already lost the allegiance and effective control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows that this will not happen in the United States. In a violent racial situation, the power structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful unless the violent minority had the sympathy and support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on the part of American blacks would find no sympathy and support from the white population and very little from the majority of the Negroes themselves. This is no time for romantic illusions and empty philosophical debates about freedom. This is a time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy for change, a tactical program that will bring the Negro into the mainstream of American life as quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing this we will end up with solutions that don't solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't explain. [applause] And so I say to you today that I still stand by nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That’s right) And when one is concerned about that, he can never advocate violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder hate through violence. (All right, That’s right) Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] And I say to you, I have also decided to stick with love, for I know that love is ultimately the only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't popular to talk about it in some circles today. (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because every time I see it, I know that it does something to their faces and their personalities, and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. (Yes, That’s right) I have decided to love. [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. And so I say to you today, my friends, that you may be able to speak with the tongues of men and angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate speech; but if you have not love, it means nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of molecules (All right); you may break into the storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions of learning and the boundless extent of your degrees; but if you have not love, all of these mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is that a man may be self-centered in his self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that we must honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. (Yes) There are forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words that must be said. (All right) Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about communism. What I'm talking about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called "dialectical materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. What I'm saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. (All right) These are the triple evils that are interrelated. And if you will let me be a preacher just a little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing that excessively." He said something altogether different, because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they will exploit them and poor people generally economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically will have to have foreign investments and everything else, and it will have to use its military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. (Yes) [applause] What I'm saying today is that we must go from this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh yes) And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) Let us be dissatisfied until America will no longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All right) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic walls that separate the outer city of wealth and comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every family will live in a decent, sanitary home. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark yesterdays of segregated schools will be transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not seen as a problem but as an opportunity to participate in the beauty of diversity. Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and women, however black they may be, will be judged on the basis of the content of their character, not on the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. [applause] Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly with his God. Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from every city hall, justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when the lion and the lamb shall lie down together (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig tree, and none shall be afraid. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's power and human power. [applause] And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and meandering points of bewilderment. There will be inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will be transformed into the fatigue of despair. (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched eyes, have to stand before the bier of some courageous civil rights worker whose life will be snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted course, we may gain consolation from the words so nobly left by that great black bard, who was also a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon Johnson (Yes): Stony the road we trod (Yes), Bitter the chastening rod Felt in the days When hope unborn had died. (Yes) Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet Come to the place For which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way That with tears has been watered. (Well) We have come treading our paths Through the blood of the slaughtered. Out from the gloomy past, Till now we stand at last (Yes) Where the bright gleam Of our bright star is cast. Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) It will give us the courage to face the uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength as we continue our forward stride toward the city of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our nights become darker than a thousand midnights (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed to earth, will rise again." Let us go out realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope for the future, and with this faith we will be able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." [applause] At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >Tyler, > >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It took >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for every >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck in >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly >employer. That's a knee slapper. > >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in fact >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed with >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices at >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for an >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of these >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the next >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do not >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >places that will gladly accept the free labor. > >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no compelling >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other post >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume that >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm left >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >frustration it conjures. > >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help you >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not suit >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could have >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to references >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs on >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for jobs >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a government >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, that's >economics. > >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your own >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >employer, or your family. That's real independence. > >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a disservice >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to hard >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good position. >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. Never >again. > >Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy > >Joe: >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are not >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be working >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships do >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so should >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. You >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the economy, >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people who >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other hurtles >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. > >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: > > Tyler, > > > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is a > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, which > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where service > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. You'll > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will drop >out from under you. > > > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid > > feedback from a prospective customer. > > > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean more > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do better. > > > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with a > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >organization we have today. > > > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely confused >by your logic. > > > > Bridgit, > > > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better suited >for my skills than others. > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet of > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get the >work done. > > > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive education >program. > > > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are going > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for being > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. > > > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than others > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. > > > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to listen > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of the > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. > > > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to separating > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that makes >you better. > > > > To your success, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > com > > >-- >Take care, >Ty >http://tds-solutions.net >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that >dares not reason is a slave. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 05:48:18 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 19 Jan 2014 23:48:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] office 365 In-Reply-To: <34F532F80C794C1D812376E4AADC1376@OwnerPC> References: <34F532F80C794C1D812376E4AADC1376@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, I don't know about some of the other features offered by the full program, but I recently worked on fixing a bug that rendered the log-in page of Microsoft 365 webmail inaccessible to screenreader users. The only way you could get the edit boxes to show up was to clear all your cookies and things out of your browser and use pass through mode, a feature that most screenreaders don't know about, let alone know how to use. Anyway, they are fixing the problem. I have found all other features of Microsoft Webmail to be accessible, though screenreaders do have to use the Lite version. But I know this is only one component of the Microsoft 365 programs. Thanks. On 1/19/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > Microsoft has office 365, a cloud based service for your data. > Is this accessible to any screen reader? Given it probably looks like an > image, I would guess not. But just asking as I’m not assuming it. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 05:58:24 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 00:58:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! In-Reply-To: <82A7EFC9-4325-4BC6-B65B-07DF6E8D5079@icloud.com> References: <82A7EFC9-4325-4BC6-B65B-07DF6E8D5079@icloud.com> Message-ID: <001101cf15a4$a1b55870$e5200950$@gmail.com> Mikayla, Make sure you have your Apex in Braille terminal mode and the port is set to Bluetooth. Then go into settings/general/accessibility/VoiceOver/Braille on your iPad and see if it shows up. HTH, Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart Sent: Saturday, January 18, 2014 9:37 PM To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; pibe-division at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! Hi, As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? Sincerely, Mikayla P.S. I will be more careful next time. Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 08:45:01 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 08:45:01 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues In-Reply-To: <000d01cf159f$d785b080$86911180$@gmail.com> References: <7D631A4D2C3148C7ADC3391E3A59DD1C@Helga> <000d01cf159f$d785b080$86911180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Helga, Your assignment is due in on my birthday! Good luck! Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/20/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Helga, > > If you have an accessible copy of your class's textbook, you should be able > to access the Constitution through that. If not, Googling "online U.S. > Constitution" or something to that effect should turn up what you need. > > As for news Web sites, there are many options, though many of them can get > pretty cluttered. I usually use http://www.theblaze.com or > http://www.reuters.com. There is also CNN, Fox News, the newspapers, etc. > Also, if you are looking for a specific story, you can always Google the > topic. Above the search results heading, there is a link which is labelled > "News." If you click on this link, it will show all news stories found in > Google News matching your desired topic. This too is a great resource for > current events research. > > Hope this helps, > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of > helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:48 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students > Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding > Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that for > my Government class I need to complete an assignment regarding the > Constitution, which is due for Thursday, January 23. Just to let you know > the assignment is called “The Constitution Scavenger Hunt,” and my > Professor’s instructions of the assignment are below in order for you to se > it. > Constitution > Scavenger > Hunt > Exercise > In > this > exercise > you > will > locate > in > the > U.S. > Constitution > items > of > importance > to > our > system > of > governance > and/or > to > individual > rights. > There > is > a > copy > of > the > Constitution > in > your > e‐textbook, > or > you > can > find > a > link > to > an > online > version > in > the > Constitution > and > Federalism > lesson > module. > Instructions > Identify > the > Article > or > Amendment > and > the > section > or > paragraph > of > the > Constitution > in > which > each > of > the > 16 > items > below > is > found, > and > provide > the > associated > wording. > Type > your > responses > and > bring > the > paper > to > class. > Example: > #) > The > establishment > of > the > office > of > president > and > its > term > of > office. > What > you > need > to > do > is > read > through > the > Constitution > and > find > where > this > item > is > addressed, > and > then > write > down > the > exact > words > that > describe > it. > See > the > example > below: > Article > II, > section > 1: > “The > executive > Power > shall > be > vested > in > a > President > of > the > United > States > of > America. > He > shall > hold > his > office > during > the > Term > of > four > years” > Some > of > the > wording > in > the > Constitution > can > be > lengthy. > Try > not > to > use > more > than > two > sentences > in > your > description. > Choose > the > words/sentences > that > best > describe > the > item. > 1. > The establishment of the House of Representatives and the Senate and the > terms of office for members of each. > 2. > The power of Congress to collect taxes. > 3. > The qualifications to hold the office of president. > 4. > Requirement of the president to inform Congress of the state of union. > 5. > The establishment of judicial power in the United States. > 6. > Admission of new states to the union. > 7. > Changing or amending the Constitution. > 8. > The “supremacy clause.” > 9. > The prohibition of religious tests for holding office in the government. > 10. > You’re right to practice the religion of your choice. > 11. > Your protection from cruel and unusual punishment if you are convicted of a > crime. > 12. > Your right to free speech. > 13. > The definition of who is a U.S. citizen. > 14. > The right of all citizens to equal protection of the laws. > 15. > The re‐legalization of alcohol after it had been outlawed for recreational > use. > 16. > The right of 18‐year old citizens to vote. > I just wanted to ask you do some of you have,or know where I can find the > Constitution in Braille and a link that is accessible with JAWS in order for > me to complete this assignment? And also, do you know where can I find a > Website that has News Articles regarding Political Issues, regular Life > issues? I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me and give me > some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! > P.s. I forgot to ask you, if you did this assignment before, how did you > manage in completing it, since you have to read the entire constitution in > order to find this items? Just curious! Thanks again! for all your time, and > hope to hear from you soon! > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html From lizzym0827 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 15:04:03 2014 From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (lizzy) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:04:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Vs. Windows Message-ID: <52dd3af2.cb538c0a.1a56.2d04@mx.google.com> Hi All, I'm looking into buying a laptop for college and I would like to know what you all think of the Mac Vs. Windows computers. What do you like and dislike about each one? Are there any features that you find significantly more helpful in one, or (vice versa) features that are a significant hinderance? What do you think of Voice Over vs. Jaws? Has anyone put Jaws on their Mac? If so, how's it working out for you? I know that ultimately this will come down to personal preference, but I'm interested to see what you guys think. Thanks, Lizzy From louvins at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 15:19:13 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 09:19:13 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <52dd3af2.cb538c0a.1a56.2d04@mx.google.com> References: <52dd3af2.cb538c0a.1a56.2d04@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Lizzy. I've never used a mac, so can't say which is better or not. I've been a windows user since windows 98. When it comes to using windows, it also depends on whether you'd like windows7 or windows8. Personally, if I were getting a laptop, I'd get a windows7 laptop. I found a great hp laptop on amazon for around $700. It has 8 gigs of ram, a 750 gb hard drive, a dvd drive, and I think a 2 gigaherts processor, plus wireles capability of course. If I weren't saving up for a braille-sense u2, I'd grab one. Also, which operating system, are you most familiar with? If you are used to using windows, I'd stick with that. As far as screen readrs go, there is NVDA which is free, and also, that new deal with GW MICRO and micro soft for a free version of window-eyes 8.4. Good luck making your decition. On 1/20/14, lizzy wrote: > Hi All, > I'm looking into buying a laptop for college and I would like to > know what you all think of the Mac Vs. Windows computers. What > do you like and dislike about each one? Are there any features > that you find significantly more helpful in one, or (vice versa) > features that are a significant hinderance? What do you think of > Voice Over vs. Jaws? Has anyone put Jaws on their Mac? If so, > how's it working out for you? I know that ultimately this will > come down to personal preference, but I'm interested to see what > you guys think. > Thanks, > Lizzy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From gpaikens at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 15:54:40 2014 From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 10:54:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Vs. Windows In-Reply-To: <52dd3af2.cb538c0a.1a56.2d04@mx.google.com> References: <52dd3af2.cb538c0a.1a56.2d04@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5EE4FACD-D63D-49D6-9944-DF8E40A3EFBF@gmail.com> There are a lot of factors that go into this kind of decision. Others have asked similar questions on this list before, so you may want to check the archives in addition to whatever responses you get here. I grew up using Jaws and Windows but switched to mac a few years ago because I got caught between VR cases and needed a laptop and screen reader I could afford to start graduate school. As with any system, there was a learning curve but I soon found both screen reading solutions to be comparable in many ways. Access to email, the internet, pdf’s etc. are similar on both systems. I now use Jaws at for work but am not as familiar with the recent additions to Jaws. Here are the pros and cons of Mac+Voiceover, as I have experienced them. Pros: •Voiceover is a free screen reader •Voiceover is integrated into the OS so that nearly all apple based programs work well and most third party stuff does too. •Voiceover gets updated as the operating system gets updated •Braille display support is built in and works quite well and requires minimal set up. •There are lots of alternative voices available for free and in many languages. Braille support for many languages is also available. Cons: •If you are used to JAWS and Windows, using VO can be a bit of a learning curve •Pages, the apple word processing app works well with Voiceover but some advanced word processing features require complicated work arounds. The same is true for Numbers (spreadsheet app) and Keynote (presentations like powerpoint). •As of now there is not a good solution for embossing braille from the Mac. This may not be important to you however. •Mac laptops are generally more expensive than windows laptops. I’m not as familiar with recent developments in braille support for Jaws and Windows. I want to emphasize the learning curve involved in word processing using Pages and VoiceOver. It took me a long time to confidently format my class assignments and papers and even now I’m not always 100% sure that I have things set up like I want. The new update to Pages has made some of that easier, but I still find it far simpler to do that kind of editing using Jaws. Others may have different experiences/opinions so take this advice with a grain of salt. Best of luck as you prepare for college. -Greg On Jan 20, 2014, at 10:04 AM, lizzy wrote: > Hi All, > I'm looking into buying a laptop for college and I would like to know what you all think of the Mac Vs. Windows computers. What do you like and dislike about each one? Are there any features that you find significantly more helpful in one, or (vice versa) features that are a significant hinderance? What do you think of Voice Over vs. Jaws? Has anyone put Jaws on their Mac? If so, how's it working out for you? I know that ultimately this will come down to personal preference, but I'm interested to see what you guys think. > Thanks, > Lizzy > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 17:19:06 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:19:06 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Mac Vs. Windows Message-ID: <52dd5a95.a19fec0a.3623.1d4b@mx.google.com> Lizzy,=20I've=20always=20been=20a=20mac=20user,=20and=20I=20agree=20with=20= everything=20 Greg=20has=20said.=20The=20main=20thing=20to=20keep=20in=20mind=20is=20that= =20neither=20 system=20is=20perfect.=20Some=20things=20work=20better=20with=20a=20mac=20t= han=20with=20 Windows=20and=20vice=20versa.=20To=20me,=20the=20greatest=20thing=20about=20= a=20Mac=20is=20 that=20you=20can=20use=20both=20OS=20and=20Windows=20on=20it=20if=20you=20e= mploy=20a=20 program=20like=20boot=20camp=20or=20something=20similar.=20When=20I=20was=20= first=20 learning=20to=20use=20a=20screen=20reader,=20I=20tried=20JAWS.=20To=20me,=20= the=20 commands=20seemed=20less=20logical=20and=20with=20fewer=20shortcuts.=20That= 's=20 another=20reason=20I=20prefer=20the=20mac.=20Good=20luck=20in=20making=20yo= ur=20 decision! =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Greg=20Aikens=20= =20wrote: =20Hi=20All, =20I'm=20looking=20into=20buying=20a=20laptop=20for=20college=20and=20I=20w= ould=20like=20to=20 know=20what=20you=20all=20think=20of=20the=20Mac=20Vs.=20=20Windows=20compu= ters.=20=20What=20 do=20you=20like=20and=20dislike=20about=20each=20one?=20Are=20there=20any=20= features=20 that=20you=20find=20significantly=20more=20helpful=20in=20one,=20or=20(vice= =20versa)=20 features=20that=20are=20a=20significant=20hinderance?=20What=20do=20you=20t= hink=20of=20 Voice=20Over=20vs.=20=20Jaws?=20Has=20anyone=20put=20Jaws=20on=20their=20Ma= c?=20If=20so,=20 how's=20it=20working=20out=20for=20you?=20I=20know=20that=20ultimately=20th= is=20will=20 come=20down=20to=20personal=20preference,=20but=20I'm=20interested=20to=20s= ee=20what=20 you=20guys=20think. =20Thanks, =20Lizzy =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l=20mailing=20list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco= unt=20info=20 for=20nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 17:26:41 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the struggles of our African-American peers. Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. you are always telling us to lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we said, "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan association and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited thousands of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking ads in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation Breadbasket. [applause] Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, Breadbasket has been equally successful in the South. Here the emphasis has been divided between governmental employment and private industry. And while I do not have time to go into the details, I want to commend the men who have been working with it here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. But here is the story that's not printed in the newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about twenty-five million dollars of new income to the Negro community every year. [applause] Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now gone national in the sense that we had a national conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide program, which you will hear more about. Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income housing with apartments for the elderly on a choice downtown Atlanta site under the sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project [applause], this is the first project of a proposed southwide Housing Development Corporation which we hope to develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation we hope to build housing from Mississippi to North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. And it is our feeling that in the next two or three years, we can build right here in the South forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, and with millions and millions of dollars in income coming to the Negro community. [applause] Now there are many other things that I could tell you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record of which we can all be proud. With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it was done to him. For more than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, he built the spanning bridges and the grand mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established America as a significant nation in international commerce. Even after his release from chattel slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became the richest, most powerful society in the history of man, but it left the Negro far behind. And so we still have a long, long way to go before we reach the promised land of freedom. Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a long and piercing winter of massive resistance, but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised land, there will still be gigantic mountains of opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere of conscience to alert every hamlet and every village of America that revolution is still at hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we need some North Star to guide us into a future shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do we go from here?" which is our theme, we must first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution was written, a strange formula to determine taxes and representation declared that the Negro was sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of all Negroes live in substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a double share: There are twice as many unemployed; the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double that of whites; and there are twice as many Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] In other spheres, the figures are equally alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) receive substantially less money per student than the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, however painful and exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of the people who were so sinful to make me a slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) Now another basic challenge is to discover how to organize our strength in to economic and political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, one of the great problems that the Negro confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the South to the newer ghettos of the North, the Negro has been confined to a life of voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of the right to make decisions concerning his life and destiny he has been subject to the authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power structure. The plantation and the ghetto were created by those who had power, both to confine those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation between the forces of power demanding change and the forces of power dedicated to the preserving of the status quo. Now, power properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength required to bring about social, political, and economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have our moral convictions and concerns, and so often we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong with power if power is used correctly. You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have usually been contrasted as opposites, polar opposites, so that love is identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was this misinterpretation that caused the philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea of love. Now, we got to get this thing right. What is needed is a realization that power without love is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting everything that stands against love. (Speak) And this is what we must see as we move on. Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong and mixed up in our country, and this has led Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white Americans to seek their goals through power devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists today to advocate for Negroes the same destructive and conscienceless power that they have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) Now we must develop progress, or rather, a program-and I can't stay on this long-that will drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in the century this proposal would have been greeted with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of initiative and responsibility. At that time economic status was considered the measure of the individual's abilities and talents. And in the thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've come a long way in our understanding of human motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. Now we realize that dislocations in the market operation of our economy and the prevalence of discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them in constant or frequent unemployment against their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior and incompetent. We also know that no matter how dynamically the economy develops and expands, it does not eliminate all poverty. The problem indicates that our emphasis must be twofold: We must create full employment, or we must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one method or the other. Once they are placed in this position, we need to be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom traditional jobs are not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: The fact is that the work which improves the condition of mankind, the work which extends knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates thought, is not done to secure a living. It is not the work of slaves driven to their tasks either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. It is the work of men who somehow find a form of work that brings a security for its own sake and a state of society where want is abolished. Work of this sort could be enormously increased, and we are likely to find that the problem of housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination of poverty, will themselves be affected if poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter housing decay. Negroes, who have a double disability, will have a greater effect on discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use in their struggle. Beyond these advantages, a host of positive psychological changes inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his own hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he knows that he has the means to seek self-improvement. Personal conflicts between husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I say to you today, that if our nation can spend thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of dollars to put God's children on their own two feet right here on earth. [applause] Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial justice has been tragically etched in all the recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today I want to give the other side. There is something painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down within them, you perceive a desire for self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts riot and the other riots in various cities represented effective civil rights action. But those who express this view always end up with stumbling words when asked what concrete gains have been won as a result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional anti-poverty money allotted by frightened government officials and a few water sprinklers to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving the food in the prison while the people remain securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such as have the organized protest demonstrations. And when one tries to pin down advocates of violence as to what acts would be effective, the answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing racist state and local governments and they talk about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing a government by violence unless the government had already lost the allegiance and effective control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows that this will not happen in the United States. In a violent racial situation, the power structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful unless the violent minority had the sympathy and support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on the part of American blacks would find no sympathy and support from the white population and very little from the majority of the Negroes themselves. This is no time for romantic illusions and empty philosophical debates about freedom. This is a time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy for change, a tactical program that will bring the Negro into the mainstream of American life as quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing this we will end up with solutions that don't solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't explain. [applause] And so I say to you today that I still stand by nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's right) And when one is concerned about that, he can never advocate violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder hate through violence. (All right, That's right) Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] And I say to you, I have also decided to stick with love, for I know that love is ultimately the only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't popular to talk about it in some circles today. (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because every time I see it, I know that it does something to their faces and their personalities, and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. And so I say to you today, my friends, that you may be able to speak with the tongues of men and angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate speech; but if you have not love, it means nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of molecules (All right); you may break into the storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions of learning and the boundless extent of your degrees; but if you have not love, all of these mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is that a man may be self-centered in his self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that we must honestly face the fact that the movement must address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American society. (Yes) There are forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about the economic system, about a broader distribution of wealth. When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces beggars needs restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words that must be said. (All right) Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about communism. What I'm talking about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, but he left out his idealism and his spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made it into a system that he called "dialectical materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. What I'm saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. (All right) These are the triple evils that are interrelated. And if you will let me be a preacher just a little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing that excessively." He said something altogether different, because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they will exploit them and poor people generally economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically will have to have foreign investments and everything else, and it will have to use its military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. (Yes) [applause] What I'm saying today is that we must go from this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh yes) And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) Let us be dissatisfied until America will no longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All right) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic walls that separate the outer city of wealth and comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every family will live in a decent, sanitary home. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark yesterdays of segregated schools will be transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not seen as a problem but as an opportunity to participate in the beauty of diversity. Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and women, however black they may be, will be judged on the basis of the content of their character, not on the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. [applause] Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly with his God. Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from every city hall, justice will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when the lion and the lamb shall lie down together (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig tree, and none shall be afraid. Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's power and human power. [applause] And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and meandering points of bewilderment. There will be inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will be transformed into the fatigue of despair. (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched eyes, have to stand before the bier of some courageous civil rights worker whose life will be snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted course, we may gain consolation from the words so nobly left by that great black bard, who was also a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon Johnson (Yes): Stony the road we trod (Yes), Bitter the chastening rod Felt in the days When hope unborn had died. (Yes) Yet with a steady beat, Have not our weary feet Come to the place For which our fathers sighed? We have come over a way That with tears has been watered. (Well) We have come treading our paths Through the blood of the slaughtered. Out from the gloomy past, Till now we stand at last (Yes) Where the bright gleam Of our bright star is cast. Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) It will give us the courage to face the uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength as we continue our forward stride toward the city of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our nights become darker than a thousand midnights (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed to earth, will rise again." Let us go out realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope for the future, and with this faith we will be able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." [applause] At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >Tyler, > >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It took >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for every >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck in >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly >employer. That's a knee slapper. > >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in fact >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed with >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices at >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for an >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of these >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the next >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do not >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >places that will gladly accept the free labor. > >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no compelling >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other post >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume that >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm left >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >frustration it conjures. > >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help you >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not suit >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could have >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to references >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs on >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for jobs >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a government >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, that's >economics. > >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your own >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >employer, or your family. That's real independence. > >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a disservice >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to hard >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good position. >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. Never >again. > >Joe > >-----Original Message----- >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy > >Joe: >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are not >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be working >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships do >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so should >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. You >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the economy, >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people who >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other hurtles >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. > >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: > > Tyler, > > > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is a > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, which > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where service > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. You'll > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will drop >out from under you. > > > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid > > feedback from a prospective customer. > > > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean more > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do better. > > > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with a > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >organization we have today. > > > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely confused >by your logic. > > > > Bridgit, > > > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better suited >for my skills than others. > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet of > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get the >work done. > > > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive education >program. > > > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are going > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for being > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. > > > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than others > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. > > > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to listen > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of the > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. > > > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to separating > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that makes >you better. > > > > To your success, > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > com > > >-- >Take care, >Ty >http://tds-solutions.net >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that >dares not reason is a slave. > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 17:43:05 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:43:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display In-Reply-To: References: <6F4DBD06-0D7A-4486-B171-A87EB9406FDC@icloud.com> Message-ID: <002601cf1607$132afc00$3980f400$@gmail.com> There is unfortunately no way to turn off the timer. It takes some practice, but you'll get it. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of nickwilcox_2000 at msn.com Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:36 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Does anyone know how to turn off the timer? I can never type 0000 fast enough! Someone could probably make lots of money if they came up with an app that turns off the timer! -------------------------------------------------- From: Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 7:28 PM To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that in order to connect your Apex to your iPad, you need to do these steps. 1. On the braillenote, go to the options menu. 2. Go to the connectivity menu. 3. Press B for bluetooth. Make sure bluetooth is turned on. 4. When the braillenote says, "Search for devices," DO NOT press Y for yes. Instead, exit to the main menu and press T for braille terminal. Make sure the braille terminal port is bluetooth, not USB. 5. On the iPhone, go to settings/general/accessability/VoiceOver. Flick right until you see Braille. Then go to Choose a Braille Device. The iPhone should find your braillenote. When it asks for a pin, type 0000 really fast because it's on a time limit. Then, press the pair button and you should be good to go. These are actually steps in order to connect the BrailleNote to the iPhone, but I think the iPhone and the iPad are the same kind of device. Hope this helps! Thanks and God bless!! :) P.S. Don't forget to press the enter key when you come to the Braille Terminal Port. Thanks again! ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2014 6:16 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apex as Braille Display Hi Mikayla, I appologize in advance for this only being semi-helpful. I believe there is a command you first need to enter on the Apex, but I can't remember what that is. Hopefully someone will answer that part. Once you're in the mode to use it as a braille display, on your phone, do the following. 1. Go to settings, General, Accessibility, Voiceover, Braille. 2. Swipe right until you hear "Choose braille display". You will then see your Apex listed. Double tap on that and, I think you should be good. I don't have an Apex, so I'm kind of going off the top of my head here, but as I recall, that is the procedure. Hopefully someone can confirm that as well as supply the proper command to put the Apex in, for lack of a better term, pair mode. Ryan On Jan 15, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > I need to use the Apex as a braille display for my IPAD. How do I pair it? > Best, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail. com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nickwilcox_2000%40email. msn.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mikgephart at icloud.com Mon Jan 20 18:05:22 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:05:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! In-Reply-To: <52db3bae.054e440a.6702.1739@mx.google.com> References: <52db3bae.054e440a.6702.1739@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <93A5A212-EC4D-4F29-BED7-2BB64CBAB89C@icloud.com> Marissa, The Braillenote Users list is very educational. What is going on was that on the IPad, I went to Bluetooth instead of accessibility. Sent from my iPad On Jan 18, 2014, at 9:42 PM, marissa wrote: > > Hi, you can joine the BN mailing list. You should, they can get you help really really qukly. > braillenote-request at freelists.org i think > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mikayla Gephart To: nfbcs at nfbnet.org, National Association of Blind Students mailing list, pibe-division at nfbnet.org > Date sent: Sat, 18 Jan 2014 21:36:45 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Please help, made a mistake! > > Hi, > As you know, I have to use my Apex braillenote as a braille display. Thursday, I paired it with my IPad for the first time, and when I was done, accidentally pressed the "forget this device" button. How do I undo that? > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > P.S. I will be more careful next time. > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl > ife7%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 18:40:29 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:40:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> References: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, I've used a variety of canes, both from the NFB and not. My first cane was a straight aluminum cane with a golfclub grip, and I liked it because it was light and also had the nice rubber grip. It was a great cane for getting me started because it was hollow, yet durrable. My Orientation and Mobility instructor and I actually made it by hand, cut the aluminum tube to the correct length and everything. I then moved into the folding aluminum canes and switched from pencil to rolling marshmallow tips. I didn't like these as much; though the tips were a big improvement, I hated how heavy the cane was. I had several of these before I decided to experiment with the NFB canes. I still have the free one I requested, and even followed NFB protocol by ordering it tall. I have found that I prefer my cane to go to my chin per how I was taught in elementary school, and personally like it because I walk fast and it is long enough to help me but not long enough to trip up other people. I know the NFB says the longer canes are better for fast walkers, but for me I was always concerned about tripping up people in front of me and didn't get the range of motion I wanted out of it. I now use a telescopic NFB cane and love it. It is possible to do constant contact with an NFB cane, and I have not found the rounded grip to be a problem. I have retained a lot of my original cane technique through all the changes. The only time I use the palm up technique is when I'm holding the cane closer to me, as it is a bit more comfortable that way and allows for more motion closer to the body. It's good to use both these gripping methods so you can go between them as you see fit. Both really do help. I agree with Cindy. Try out one of the free NFB canes and see if you like it. The lightness was a huge plus for me, and with all the walking I do around campus I'm glad my wrist isn't straining. If you get a chance to see someone else's telescopic or NFB folding cane try that out too. The more variations in canes you try, the more you'll learn about what does and does not work for you. Personally, I love the NFB philosophy of keeping the cane visible, but I don't think folding up the cane is hiding blindness necessarily. Blindness is still there whether the cane is straight and unfoldable, or folded in a lap or on a desktop. I think the intent behind folding up a cane is what matters; if you're folding it up to hide your blindness, that is very different from folding it up for convenience. It's like how people put away glasses, hearing aids, or other devices when they are not using them; it doesn't mean they don't need glasses, or cannot hear without hearing aids, but it's a matter of convenience. Just my take on it. On 1/20/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Pat, > > I would first like to welcome you to these lists and to our Federation. It > is good to hear that you are investigating all your options and taking full > advantage of the network of support and resources which this organization > provides. > > While I have my own experiences to draw from, I find questions like these > slightly hard to answer. I say this because I believe travel is very much a > matter of personal preference. To me, there is no "correct" cane to use and > no single appropriate way to use it. What works for me may not work for > you, > and what works for you may not work for another blind person, and so on. > Contrary to what some might have you believe, even the NFB does not > officially endorse one particular method of travel, though our members > might > have their own strong opinions on the subject. Our concern, I believe, is > that blind people have the confidence and the skills needed to travel where > we want to go, however we choose to get there. > > With this said, let me tell you what I have done and currently do in the > hope that this will add more information to the advice you have already > received. For a long time I used an Ambutech folding cane with a pencil > tip. > While this provided relatively good information, it was hard for me to tap > it, so I primarily used constant contact. When I went to an NFB-sponsored > youth program for the first time, I had to give up my folding cane and use > a > rigid NFB cane with a metal tip during my time there. I came home liking > the > rigid cane for its lightness and ease of use. I was finally able to tap > with > ease, which provided me with the auditory information the old Ambutech > lacked. However, I found the straight cane sometimes cumbersome, especially > in public places and in cars. There were many times when people would > approach me and inform me that my cane was sticking out in the aisle at a > concert hall/theater or in the middle of a walkway in a restaurant. The > travel instructors at the Louisiana Center for the Blind said this was > because I was not putting the cane down correctly, but despite my many > attempts I was never able to get the darned thing out of the way. Perhaps > this was my fault, not the cane's. I then used an NFB folding cane for a > few > months, but it soon broke and I was forced to go back to my straight cane. > Now I use and love another Ambutech folding cane. It is one of their > Ultra-Light models with an NFB-style metal tip. This cane is very durable > and truly lives up to the ultra-light name. I was able to keep the metal > tip > I like and get much of the advantages I found in my NFB cane while still > enjoying the convenience of its ability to fold. I would strongly encourage > you to look into this cane as you are searching for the right one for you. > > As for cane technique, I believe there is no law which forces me to use one > technique alone. I therefore use a variety of techniques at different times > and in different situations. In most situations I find myself using the > tap-slide (sometimes referred to as touch-drag) technique to which Kirt > referred in his message. However, I sometimes switch to constant contact or > 2-point-touch when I am approaching a certain surface, e.g. steps or > escalators. I also use a technique called "pencil grip" whenever I am in a > crowded or tight space. This involves sliding my hand down to about the > middle of the shaft and sweeping with a narrower arc than I would in the > usual, open-palm method. This technique helps me get through crowds while > avoiding tripping anyone. When I am using sighted guide, I also often > switch > my cane to pencil grip to avoid drifting my cane out and hitting either the > guide or another passerby. As you can see, then, there are many cane > techniques you can use and many situations in which to use all of them. I > would advise you to become familiar with all these methods and choose which > works best for you at any given time. > > I hope these suggestions and experiences help you and I apologize for the > lengthy message. As you investigate which cane and technique(s) works best > for you, I would like to leave you with this thought: take what you like > and > leave the rest. You will find that the NFB has many members with many > beliefs about travel and about blindness in general. There will be some who > will try to persuade you that their way is the only way to go. Don't let > that dissuade you from doing your own exploration. Only you know what is > best for you. With this in mind, I leave you to consider my thoughts and > those of others, but decide for yourself. Good luck in this endeavor. > > Chris Nusbaum > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick Bennet > Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:50 PM > To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com > Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel > > Hey everyone, > > I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I hope > you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably > explain. > > For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was > given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be pretty > commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a > place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always > been used to. They seem decent enough. > > But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, > including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different kind > of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard about > something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. > > Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the hand > over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows the > cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant contact. > Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes > have > metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas > but > would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed > to > be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages > are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are > lighter. > Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes > take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there really > that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to learn > about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. > > Thanks, > Pat > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 18:53:23 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt Manwaring) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 11:53:23 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues In-Reply-To: References: <7D631A4D2C3148C7ADC3391E3A59DD1C@Helga> <000d01cf159f$d785b080$86911180$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Helga, You might also look at NFB newsline, particularly if you use an iPhone and can get the app. It lets you read a whole bunch of newspapers (like from every state), along with news from lots of web sites like BBC, Fox News, CNN, Huffington Post, NPR, etc...it's what I use to keep up with the news and it works great. Best, Kirt On 1/20/14, Sandra Gayer wrote: > Hello Helga, > Your assignment is due in on my birthday! Good luck! > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 1/20/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Helga, >> >> If you have an accessible copy of your class's textbook, you should be >> able >> to access the Constitution through that. If not, Googling "online U.S. >> Constitution" or something to that effect should turn up what you need. >> >> As for news Web sites, there are many options, though many of them can get >> pretty cluttered. I usually use http://www.theblaze.com or >> http://www.reuters.com. There is also CNN, Fox News, the newspapers, etc. >> Also, if you are looking for a specific story, you can always Google the >> topic. Above the search results heading, there is a link which is labelled >> "News." If you click on this link, it will show all news stories found in >> Google News matching your desired topic. This too is a great resource for >> current events research. >> >> Hope this helps, >> >> Chris >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of >> helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:48 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students >> Subject: [nabs-l] The Constitution in Braille, and News Articles regarding >> Political Issues, and Regular Life Issues >> >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that >> for >> my Government class I need to complete an assignment regarding the >> Constitution, which is due for Thursday, January 23. Just to let you know >> the assignment is called “The Constitution Scavenger Hunt,” and my >> Professor’s instructions of the assignment are below in order for you to >> se >> it. >> Constitution >> Scavenger >> Hunt >> Exercise >> In >> this >> exercise >> you >> will >> locate >> in >> the >> U.S. >> Constitution >> items >> of >> importance >> to >> our >> system >> of >> governance >> and/or >> to >> individual >> rights. >> There >> is >> a >> copy >> of >> the >> Constitution >> in >> your >> e‐textbook, >> or >> you >> can >> find >> a >> link >> to >> an >> online >> version >> in >> the >> Constitution >> and >> Federalism >> lesson >> module. >> Instructions >> Identify >> the >> Article >> or >> Amendment >> and >> the >> section >> or >> paragraph >> of >> the >> Constitution >> in >> which >> each >> of >> the >> 16 >> items >> below >> is >> found, >> and >> provide >> the >> associated >> wording. >> Type >> your >> responses >> and >> bring >> the >> paper >> to >> class. >> Example: >> #) >> The >> establishment >> of >> the >> office >> of >> president >> and >> its >> term >> of >> office. >> What >> you >> need >> to >> do >> is >> read >> through >> the >> Constitution >> and >> find >> where >> this >> item >> is >> addressed, >> and >> then >> write >> down >> the >> exact >> words >> that >> describe >> it. >> See >> the >> example >> below: >> Article >> II, >> section >> 1: >> “The >> executive >> Power >> shall >> be >> vested >> in >> a >> President >> of >> the >> United >> States >> of >> America. >> He >> shall >> hold >> his >> office >> during >> the >> Term >> of >> four >> years” >> Some >> of >> the >> wording >> in >> the >> Constitution >> can >> be >> lengthy. >> Try >> not >> to >> use >> more >> than >> two >> sentences >> in >> your >> description. >> Choose >> the >> words/sentences >> that >> best >> describe >> the >> item. >> 1. >> The establishment of the House of Representatives and the Senate and the >> terms of office for members of each. >> 2. >> The power of Congress to collect taxes. >> 3. >> The qualifications to hold the office of president. >> 4. >> Requirement of the president to inform Congress of the state of union. >> 5. >> The establishment of judicial power in the United States. >> 6. >> Admission of new states to the union. >> 7. >> Changing or amending the Constitution. >> 8. >> The “supremacy clause.” >> 9. >> The prohibition of religious tests for holding office in the government. >> 10. >> You’re right to practice the religion of your choice. >> 11. >> Your protection from cruel and unusual punishment if you are convicted of >> a >> crime. >> 12. >> Your right to free speech. >> 13. >> The definition of who is a U.S. citizen. >> 14. >> The right of all citizens to equal protection of the laws. >> 15. >> The re‐legalization of alcohol after it had been outlawed for recreational >> use. >> 16. >> The right of 18‐year old citizens to vote. >> I just wanted to ask you do some of you have,or know where I can find the >> Constitution in Braille and a link that is accessible with JAWS in order >> for >> me to complete this assignment? And also, do you know where can I find a >> Website that has News Articles regarding Political Issues, regular Life >> issues? I will really appreciate it a lot!, if you could help me and give >> me >> some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! >> P.s. I forgot to ask you, if you did this assignment before, how did you >> manage in completing it, since you have to read the entire constitution in >> order to find this items? Just curious! Thanks again! for all your time, >> and >> hope to hear from you soon! >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 20:36:54 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 20:36:54 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hello Joe, I'm an African woman and I'm a blind person. What you said was most eloquently expressed. Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/20/14, Joe wrote: > Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely > similar > to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true > that > blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but > African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination > for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would > have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment > discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the > interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have > always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed > equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and > policies > always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the > disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And > yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very > same > speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to > build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally > rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. > It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that > can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring > authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the > struggles of our African-American peers. > > Joe > > -- > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > Visit my blog: > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His > View of the U.S. Economy > > In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. > (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. > > > you are always telling us to > > lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every > day. > Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we > said, > > "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan > association > and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro > > newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited > thousands > of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking > ads > > in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation > Breadbasket. [applause] > > > > Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited > to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that > we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, > > Breadbasket has been equally successful in the > South. Here the emphasis has been divided between > governmental employment and private industry. And while > > I do not have time to go into the details, I want > to commend the men who have been working with it > here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, > > the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, > Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, > and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. > > But here is the story that's not printed in the > newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation > Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about > > twenty-five million dollars of new income to the > Negro community every year. [applause] > > > > Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now > gone national in the sense that we had a national > conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide > > program, which you will hear more about. > > > > Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. > Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, > we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income > > housing with apartments for the elderly on a > choice downtown Atlanta site under the > sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project > [applause], > > this is the first project of a proposed southwide > Housing Development Corporation which we hope to > develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation > > we hope to build housing from Mississippi to > North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro > architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. > > And it is our feeling that in the next two or > three years, we can build right here in the South > forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, > > and with millions and millions of dollars in > income coming to the Negro community. [applause] > > > > Now there are many other things that I could tell > you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an > account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record > > of which we can all be proud. > > > > With all the struggle and all the achievements, > we must face the fact, however, that the Negro > still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is > > still at the bottom, despite the few who have > penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where > the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the > > Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often > no bottom at which to start, and when there is > there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes > > are still impoverished aliens in an affluent > society. They are too poor even to rise with the > society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend > > by using their own resources. And the Negro did > not do this himself; it was done to him. For more > than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, > > he built the spanning bridges and the grand > mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of > the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established > > America as a significant nation in international > commerce. Even after his release from chattel > slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became > > the richest, most powerful society in the history > of man, but it left the Negro far behind. > > > > And so we still have a long, long way to go > before we reach the promised land of freedom. > Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed > > a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a > long and piercing winter of massive resistance, > but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised > > land, there will still be gigantic mountains of > opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of > injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere > > of conscience to alert every hamlet and every > village of America that revolution is still at > hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we > > need some North Star to guide us into a future > shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. > > > > Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do > we go from here?" which is our theme, we must > first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution > > was written, a strange formula to determine taxes > and representation declared that the Negro was > sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula > > seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. > Of the good things in life, the Negro has > approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of > > life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of > all Negroes live in substandard housing. And > Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to > > the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a > double share: There are twice as many unemployed; > the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double > > that of whites; and there are twice as many > Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion > to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] > > > > In other spheres, the figures are equally > alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one > to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) > > receive substantially less money per student than > the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth > as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed > > Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. > > > > Where do we go from here? First, we must > massively assert our dignity and worth. We must > stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an > > unassailable and majestic sense of values. We > must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All > right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have > > been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. > > > > Even semantics have conspired to make that which > is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In > Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness > > and at least sixty of them are offensive, such > words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And > there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, > > expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, > chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better > than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a > > family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis > has suggested that maybe the English language > should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced > > to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise > himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense > of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, > > and thereby perpetuate his false sense of > superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore > the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his > > personhood is as old as the earliest history > books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) > > > > To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must > rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian > manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that > > overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be > buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, > the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, > > a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful > weapon against the long night of physical > slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian > > civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of > freedom. The Negro will only be free when he > reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs > > with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own > emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit > straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly > > throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say > to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh > yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. > > (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, > however painful and exploited that history has > been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), > > and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of > the people who were so sinful to make me a > slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and > > say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and > beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this > self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) > > by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) > > > > Now another basic challenge is to discover how to > organize our strength in to economic and > political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire > > need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, > one of the great problems that the Negro > confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the > > South to the newer ghettos of the North, the > Negro has been confined to a life of > voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of > > the right to make decisions concerning his life > and destiny he has been subject to the > authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power > > structure. The plantation and the ghetto were > created by those who had power, both to confine > those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. > > Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, > therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation > between the forces of power demanding change and the forces > > of power dedicated to the preserving of the > status quo. Now, power properly understood is > nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength > > required to bring about social, political, and > economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one > day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like > > UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the > world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants > to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] > > > > Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have > our moral convictions and concerns, and so often > we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong > > with power if power is used correctly. > > > > You see, what happened is that some of our > philosophers got off base. And one of the great > problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have > > usually been contrasted as opposites, polar > opposites, so that love is identified with a > resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was > > this misinterpretation that caused the > philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of > the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was > > this same misinterpretation which induced > Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's > philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea > > of love. > > > > Now, we got to get this thing right. What is > needed is a realization that power without love > is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental > > and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], > power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the > demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting > > everything that stands against love. (Speak) And > this is what we must see as we move on. > > > > Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong > and mixed up in our country, and this has led > Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through > > love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white > Americans to seek their goals through power > devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists > > today to advocate for Negroes the same > destructive and conscienceless power that they > have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of > > immoral power with powerless morality which > constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) > > > > Now we must develop progress, or rather, a > program-and I can't stay on this long-that will > drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in > > the century this proposal would have been greeted > with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of > initiative and responsibility. At that time economic > > status was considered the measure of the > individual's abilities and talents. And in the > thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a > > want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've > come a long way in our understanding of human > motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. > > Now we realize that dislocations in the market > operation of our economy and the prevalence of > discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them > > in constant or frequent unemployment against > their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I > hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior > > and incompetent. We also know that no matter how > dynamically the economy develops and expands, it > does not eliminate all poverty. > > > > The problem indicates that our emphasis must be > twofold: We must create full employment, or we > must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one > > method or the other. Once they are placed in this > position, we need to be concerned that the > potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work > > that enhance the social good will have to be > devised for those for whom traditional jobs are > not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state > > of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: > > > > The fact is that the work which improves the > condition of mankind, the work which extends > knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates > > thought, is not done to secure a living. It is > not the work of slaves driven to their tasks > either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. > > It is the work of men who somehow find a form of > work that brings a security for its own sake and > a state of society where want is abolished. > > > > Work of this sort could be enormously increased, > and we are likely to find that the problem of > housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination > > of poverty, will themselves be affected if > poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed > into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter > > housing decay. Negroes, who have a double > disability, will have a greater effect on > discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use > > in their struggle. > > > > Beyond these advantages, a host of positive > psychological changes inevitably will result from > widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual > > will flourish when the decisions concerning his > life are in his own hands, when he has the > assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he > > knows that he has the means to seek > self-improvement. Personal conflicts between > husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement > > of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. > > > > Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth > Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income > could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I > > say to you today, that if our nation can spend > thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an > unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to > > put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of > dollars to put God's children on their own two > feet right here on earth. [applause] > > > > Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our > commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress > this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial > > justice has been tragically etched in all the > recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to > analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today > > I want to give the other side. There is something > painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming > youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly > > against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down > within them, you perceive a desire for > self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) > > > > Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts > riot and the other riots in various cities > represented effective civil rights action. But those who express > > this view always end up with stumbling words when > asked what concrete gains have been won as a > result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional > > anti-poverty money allotted by frightened > government officials and a few water sprinklers > to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving > > the food in the prison while the people remain > securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) > Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such > > as have the organized protest demonstrations. > > > > And when one tries to pin down advocates of > violence as to what acts would be effective, the > answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing > > racist state and local governments and they talk > about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no > internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing > > a government by violence unless the government > had already lost the allegiance and effective > control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows > > that this will not happen in the United States. > In a violent racial situation, the power > structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National > > Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of > which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, > few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful > > unless the violent minority had the sympathy and > support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may > have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him > > and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have > never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had > had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It > > is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on > the part of American blacks would find no > sympathy and support from the white population and very little > > from the majority of the Negroes themselves. > > > > This is no time for romantic illusions and empty > philosophical debates about freedom. This is a > time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy > > for change, a tactical program that will bring > the Negro into the mainstream of American life as > quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered > > by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing > this we will end up with solutions that don't > solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't > > explain. [applause] > > > > And so I say to you today that I still stand by > nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced > [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent > > weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. > > > > And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a > better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm > concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's > > right) And when one is concerned about that, he > can never advocate violence. For through violence > you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. > > (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but > you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through > violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder > > hate through violence. (All right, That's right) > Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] > > > > And I say to you, I have also decided to stick > with love, for I know that love is ultimately the > only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going > > to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't > popular to talk about it in some circles today. > (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I > > talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, > demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much > hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs > > in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces > of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens > Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because > > every time I see it, I know that it does > something to their faces and their personalities, > and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. > > (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. > [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I > think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing > > is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, > because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who > hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that > > unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. > > > > And so I say to you today, my friends, that you > may be able to speak with the tongues of men and > angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate > > speech; but if you have not love, it means > nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the > gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction > > (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of > molecules (All right); you may break into the > storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; > > yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic > achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all > knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions > > of learning and the boundless extent of your > degrees; but if you have not love, all of these > mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods > > to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great > gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high > in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity > > means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your > body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, > and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations > > yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one > of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not > love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. > > What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is > that a man may be self-centered in his > self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity > > may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his > pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence > becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. > > > > I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, > as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that > we must honestly face the fact that the movement must > > address itself to the question of restructuring > the whole of American society. (Yes) There are > forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask > > the question, "Why are there forty million poor > people in America?" And when you begin to ask > that question, you are raising a question about the economic > > system, about a broader distribution of wealth. > When you ask that question, you begin to question > the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying > > that more and more, we've got to begin to ask > questions about the whole society. We are called > upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. > > (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an > edifice which produces beggars needs > restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And > > you see, my friends, when you deal with this you > begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" > (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron > > ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why > is it that people have to pay water bills in a > world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words > > that must be said. (All right) > > > > Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm > not talking about communism. What I'm talking > about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't > > come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration > didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't > come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, > > I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long > time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't > follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, > > but he left out his idealism and his > spiritualism. And he went over to a German > philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made > > it into a system that he called "dialectical > materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. > > > > What I'm saying to you this morning is communism > forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism > forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the > > kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the > thesis of communism nor the antithesis of > capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is > > found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that > combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I > say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming > > to see that the problem of racism, the problem of > economic exploitation, and the problem of war are > all tied together. (All right) These are the triple > > evils that are interrelated. > > > > And if you will let me be a preacher just a > little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one > night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what > > he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get > bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of > what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, > > you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, > "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He > didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if > > you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, > you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing > that excessively." He said something altogether different, > > because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): > that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And > if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just > > getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at > him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] > > > > In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must > be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep > people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and > > make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they > will exploit them and poor people generally > economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically > > will have to have foreign investments and > everything else, and it will have to use its > military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. > > (Yes) [applause] > > > > What I'm saying today is that we must go from > this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh > yes) > > > > And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a > task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) > > > > Let us be dissatisfied until America will no > longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All > right) > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic > walls that separate the outer city of wealth and > comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall > > be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live > on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast > into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every > family will live in a decent, sanitary home. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark > yesterdays of segregated schools will be > transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not > seen as a problem but as an opportunity to > participate in the beauty of diversity. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and > women, however black they may be, will be judged > on the basis of the content of their character, not on > > the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. > [applause] > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state > capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who > will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly > > with his God. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from > every city hall, justice will roll down like > waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when > the lion and the lamb shall lie down together > (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig > > tree, and none shall be afraid. > > > > Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will > recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made > all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) > > > > Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody > will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will > shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's > > power and human power. [applause] > > > > And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that > the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) > There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and > > meandering points of bewilderment. There will be > inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And > there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will > > be transformed into the fatigue of despair. > (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and > our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched > > eyes, have to stand before the bier of some > courageous civil rights worker whose life will be > snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) > > But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we > must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious > faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted > > course, we may gain consolation from the words so > nobly left by that great black bard, who was also > a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon > > Johnson (Yes): > > > > Stony the road we trod (Yes), > > Bitter the chastening rod > > Felt in the days > > When hope unborn had died. (Yes) > > Yet with a steady beat, > > Have not our weary feet > > Come to the place > > For which our fathers sighed? > > We have come over a way > > That with tears has been watered. (Well) > > We have come treading our paths > > Through the blood of the slaughtered. > > Out from the gloomy past, > > Till now we stand at last (Yes) > > Where the bright gleam > > Of our bright star is cast. > > > > Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) > It will give us the courage to face the > uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength > > as we continue our forward stride toward the city > of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary > with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our > > nights become darker than a thousand midnights > (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a > creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic > > mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to > make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark > yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) > > > > Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe > is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us > realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed > > to earth, will rise again." Let us go out > realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not > deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), > > that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope > for the future, and with this faith we will be > able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic > > past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have > overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." > [applause] > > At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>Tyler, >> >>Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >>think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to >>give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It > took >>me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for every >>few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck >> in >>the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >>government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly >>employer. That's a knee slapper. >> >>I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in fact >>worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string >>businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed with >>that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices at >>employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for >> an >>interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >>blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of > these >>places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >> next >>batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide >>services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do not >>want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >>places that will gladly accept the free labor. >> >>You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no compelling >>evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other > post >>about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume that >>you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm left >>to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, >>something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>frustration it conjures. >> >>If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help >> you >>get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not suit >>you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could > have >>on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to references >>in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs on >>account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >> jobs >>and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an >>idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >> government >>system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >>Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >>likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, > that's >>economics. >> >>I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your own >>bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >>employer, or your family. That's real independence. >> >>And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >>jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >> disservice >>not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to > hard >>work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good > position. >>It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >> Never >>again. >> >>Joe >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >> >>Joe: >>Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are not >>capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be working >>through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships do >>not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so should >>you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. > You >>began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >> economy, >>to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people who >>do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >> hurtles >>in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >>saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about >>yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even >>sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >>within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying >>to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. >> >>On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >> > Tyler, >> > >> > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is a >> > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling >> > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >> > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >> > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, which >> > I would never recommend because of their general decline where service >> > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. You'll >> > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >> > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >> > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up >> > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >> > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >> > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >> > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >> > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >> > drop >>out from under you. >> > >> > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >> > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >> > feedback from a prospective customer. >> > >> > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >> > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >> > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean more >> > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >> > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >> > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is >> > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >> > better. >> > >> > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >> > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with a >> > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >> > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >> > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease >> > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >> > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >> > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>organization we have today. >> > >> > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. >> > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and >> > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >> > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >> > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >> > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >> > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >> > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >> > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >> > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >> > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >> > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >> > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely > confused >>by your logic. >> > >> > Bridgit, >> > >> > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be >> > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think >> > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the >> > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >> > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily >> > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a >> > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >> > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better > suited >>for my skills than others. >> > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and >> > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of >> > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet of >> > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >> > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >> > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get >> > the >>work done. >> > >> > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >> > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >> > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >> > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >> > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >> > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >> > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >> > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >> > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >> > education >>program. >> > >> > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are going >> > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >> > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >> > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the >> > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for being >> > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >> > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >> > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >> > >> > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >> > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >> > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >> > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >> > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >> > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than others >> > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer >> > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >> > >> > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There >> > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to listen >> > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of the >> > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >> > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >> > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps >> > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >> > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >> > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >> > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >> > >> > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >> > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >> > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >> > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >> > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to separating >> > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >> > makes >>you better. >> > >> > To your success, >> > >> > Joe >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >> > com >> >> >>-- >>Take care, >>Ty >>http://tds-solutions.net >>He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he > that >>dares not reason is a slave. >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html From robin-melvin at comcast.net Mon Jan 20 21:04:26 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 13:04:26 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >struggles of our African-American peers. > >Joe > >-- >Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > >Visit my blog: >http://joeorozco.com/blog > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His >View of the U.S. Economy > >In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >(MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. > > >you are always telling us to > >lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. >Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >said, > >"We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan association >and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro > >newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited thousands >of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking ads > >in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >Breadbasket. [applause] > > > >Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, > >Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >governmental employment and private industry. And while > >I do not have time to go into the details, I want >to commend the men who have been working with it >here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, > >the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. > >But here is the story that's not printed in the >newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about > >twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >Negro community every year. [applause] > > > >Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >gone national in the sense that we had a national >conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide > >program, which you will hear more about. > > > >Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income > >housing with apartments for the elderly on a >choice downtown Atlanta site under the >sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >[applause], > >this is the first project of a proposed southwide >Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation > >we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. > >And it is our feeling that in the next two or >three years, we can build right here in the South >forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, > >and with millions and millions of dollars in >income coming to the Negro community. [applause] > > > >Now there are many other things that I could tell >you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record > >of which we can all be proud. > > > >With all the struggle and all the achievements, >we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is > >still at the bottom, despite the few who have >penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the > >Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >no bottom at which to start, and when there is >there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes > >are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >society. They are too poor even to rise with the >society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend > >by using their own resources. And the Negro did >not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, > >he built the spanning bridges and the grand >mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established > >America as a significant nation in international >commerce. Even after his release from chattel >slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became > >the richest, most powerful society in the history >of man, but it left the Negro far behind. > > > >And so we still have a long, long way to go >before we reach the promised land of freedom. >Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed > >a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised > >land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere > >of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >village of America that revolution is still at >hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we > >need some North Star to guide us into a future >shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. > > > >Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution > >was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >and representation declared that the Negro was >sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula > >seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >Of the good things in life, the Negro has >approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of > >life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to > >the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double > >that of whites; and there are twice as many >Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] > > > >In other spheres, the figures are equally >alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) > >receive substantially less money per student than >the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed > >Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. > > > >Where do we go from here? First, we must >massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an > >unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have > >been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. > > > >Even semantics have conspired to make that which >is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness > >and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, > >expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a > >family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >has suggested that maybe the English language >should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced > >to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, > >and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his > >personhood is as old as the earliest history >books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) > > > >To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that > >overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, > >a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >weapon against the long night of physical >slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian > >civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs > >with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly > >throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. > >(Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >however painful and exploited that history has >been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), > >and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >the people who were so sinful to make me a >slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and > >say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) > >by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) > > > >Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >organize our strength in to economic and >political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire > >need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >one of the great problems that the Negro >confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the > >South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >Negro has been confined to a life of >voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of > >the right to make decisions concerning his life >and destiny he has been subject to the >authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power > >structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >created by those who had power, both to confine >those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. > >Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >between the forces of power demanding change and the forces > >of power dedicated to the preserving of the >status quo. Now, power properly understood is >nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength > >required to bring about social, political, and >economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like > >UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] > > > >Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong > >with power if power is used correctly. > > > >You see, what happened is that some of our >philosophers got off base. And one of the great >problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have > >usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >opposites, so that love is identified with a >resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was > >this misinterpretation that caused the >philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was > >this same misinterpretation which induced >Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea > >of love. > > > >Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >needed is a realization that power without love >is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental > >and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting > >everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >this is what we must see as we move on. > > > >Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >and mixed up in our country, and this has led >Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through > >love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >Americans to seek their goals through power >devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists > >today to advocate for Negroes the same >destructive and conscienceless power that they >have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of > >immoral power with powerless morality which >constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) > > > >Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in > >the century this proposal would have been greeted >with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >initiative and responsibility. At that time economic > >status was considered the measure of the >individual's abilities and talents. And in the >thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a > >want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >come a long way in our understanding of human >motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. > >Now we realize that dislocations in the market >operation of our economy and the prevalence of >discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them > >in constant or frequent unemployment against >their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior > >and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >does not eliminate all poverty. > > > >The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >twofold: We must create full employment, or we >must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one > >method or the other. Once they are placed in this >position, we need to be concerned that the >potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work > >that enhance the social good will have to be >devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state > >of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: > > > >The fact is that the work which improves the >condition of mankind, the work which extends >knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates > >thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. > >It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >work that brings a security for its own sake and >a state of society where want is abolished. > > > >Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >and we are likely to find that the problem of >housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination > >of poverty, will themselves be affected if >poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter > >housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >disability, will have a greater effect on >discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use > >in their struggle. > > > >Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >psychological changes inevitably will result from >widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual > >will flourish when the decisions concerning his >life are in his own hands, when he has the >assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he > >knows that he has the means to seek >self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement > >of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. > > > >Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I > >say to you today, that if our nation can spend >thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to > >put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >dollars to put God's children on their own two >feet right here on earth. [applause] > > > >Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial > >justice has been tragically etched in all the >recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today > >I want to give the other side. There is something >painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly > >against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >within them, you perceive a desire for >self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) > > > >Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >riot and the other riots in various cities >represented effective civil rights action. But those who express > >this view always end up with stumbling words when >asked what concrete gains have been won as a >result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional > >anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >government officials and a few water sprinklers >to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving > >the food in the prison while the people remain >securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such > >as have the organized protest demonstrations. > > > >And when one tries to pin down advocates of >violence as to what acts would be effective, the >answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing > >racist state and local governments and they talk >about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing > >a government by violence unless the government >had already lost the allegiance and effective >control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows > >that this will not happen in the United States. >In a violent racial situation, the power >structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National > >Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful > >unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him > >and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It > >is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >the part of American blacks would find no >sympathy and support from the white population and very little > >from the majority of the Negroes themselves. > > > >This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy > >for change, a tactical program that will bring >the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered > >by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >this we will end up with solutions that don't >solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't > >explain. [applause] > > > >And so I say to you today that I still stand by >nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >[applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent > >weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. > > > >And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's > >right) And when one is concerned about that, he >can never advocate violence. For through violence >you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. > >(Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder > >hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] > > > >And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going > >to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >popular to talk about it in some circles today. >(No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I > >talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs > >in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because > >every time I see it, I know that it does >something to their faces and their personalities, >and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. > >(Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >[applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing > >is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that > >unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. > > > >And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate > >speech; but if you have not love, it means >nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction > >(Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >molecules (All right); you may break into the >storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; > >yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions > >of learning and the boundless extent of your >degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods > >to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity > >means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations > >yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. > >What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >that a man may be self-centered in his >self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity > >may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. > > > >I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >we must honestly face the fact that the movement must > >address itself to the question of restructuring >the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask > >the question, "Why are there forty million poor >people in America?" And when you begin to ask >that question, you are raising a question about the economic > >system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >When you ask that question, you begin to question >the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying > >that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >questions about the whole society. We are called >upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. > >(Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >edifice which produces beggars needs >restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And > >you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >(Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron > >ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >is it that people have to pay water bills in a >world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words > >that must be said. (All right) > > > >Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >not talking about communism. What I'm talking >about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't > >come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, > >I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, > >but he left out his idealism and his >spiritualism. And he went over to a German >philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made > >it into a system that he called "dialectical >materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. > > > >What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the > >kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is > >found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming > >to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >all tied together. (All right) These are the triple > >evils that are interrelated. > > > >And if you will let me be a preacher just a >little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what > >he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, > >you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >"Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if > >you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >that excessively." He said something altogether different, > >because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just > >getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] > > > >In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and > >make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >will exploit them and poor people generally >economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically > >will have to have foreign investments and >everything else, and it will have to use its >military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. > >(Yes) [applause] > > > >What I'm saying today is that we must go from >this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh >yes) > > > >And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >right) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall > >be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >family will live in a decent, sanitary home. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >yesterdays of segregated schools will be >transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >participate in the beauty of diversity. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >women, however black they may be, will be judged >on the basis of the content of their character, not on > >the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >[applause] > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly > >with his God. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >every city hall, justice will roll down like >waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >(Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig > >tree, and none shall be afraid. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's > >power and human power. [applause] > > > >And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and > >meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will > >be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >(Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched > >eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) > >But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted > >course, we may gain consolation from the words so >nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon > >Johnson (Yes): > > > >Stony the road we trod (Yes), > >Bitter the chastening rod > >Felt in the days > >When hope unborn had died. (Yes) > >Yet with a steady beat, > >Have not our weary feet > >Come to the place > >For which our fathers sighed? > >We have come over a way > >That with tears has been watered. (Well) > >We have come treading our paths > >Through the blood of the slaughtered. > >Out from the gloomy past, > >Till now we stand at last (Yes) > >Where the bright gleam > >Of our bright star is cast. > > > >Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >It will give us the courage to face the >uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength > >as we continue our forward stride toward the city >of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our > >nights become darker than a thousand midnights >(Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic > >mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) > > > >Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed > >to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), > >that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >for the future, and with this faith we will be >able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic > >past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >[applause] > >At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: > >Tyler, > > > >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you > >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to > >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >took > >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for every > >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck in > >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal > >government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly > >employer. That's a knee slapper. > > > >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in fact > >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string > >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed with > >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices at > >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for an > >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was > >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >these > >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the next > >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide > >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do not > >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other > >places that will gladly accept the free labor. > > > >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no compelling > >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >post > >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume that > >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm left > >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give > >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, > >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing > >frustration it conjures. > > > >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a > >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help you > >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not suit > >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >have > >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to references > >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs on > >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for jobs > >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an > >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a government > >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social > >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than > >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >that's > >economics. > > > >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your own > >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an > >employer, or your family. That's real independence. > > > >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find > >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a disservice > >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much > >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >hard > >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >position. > >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. Never > >again. > > > >Joe > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] > >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM > >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy > > > >Joe: > >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are not > >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be working > >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships do > >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so should > >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. >You > >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the economy, > >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people who > >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the > >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other hurtles > >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm > >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about > >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even > >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position > >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying > >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. > > > >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Tyler, > > > > > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is a > > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling > > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is > > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set > > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, which > > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where service > > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. You'll > > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top > > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you > > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up > > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to > > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. > > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that > > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to > > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will drop > >out from under you. > > > > > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to > > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid > > > feedback from a prospective customer. > > > > > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing > > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, > > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean more > > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job > > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say > > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is > > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do better. > > > > > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we > > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with a > > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while > > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, > > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease > > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any > > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, > > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the > >organization we have today. > > > > > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. > > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and > > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a > > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All > > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard > > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything > > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that > > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not > > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to > > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you > > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no > > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and > > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >confused > >by your logic. > > > > > > Bridgit, > > > > > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be > > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think > > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the > > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to > > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily > > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a > > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? > > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >suited > >for my skills than others. > > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and > > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of > > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet of > > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation > > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against > > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get the > >work done. > > > > > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think > > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. > > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of > > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have > > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are > > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong > > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap > > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate > > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive education > >program. > > > > > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are going > > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's > > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind > > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the > > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for being > > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, > > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep > > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. > > > > > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not > > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a > > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, > > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think > > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling > > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than others > > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer > > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. > > > > > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There > > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to listen > > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of the > > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of > > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very > > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps > > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would > > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work > > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind > > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. > > > > > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for > > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to > > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. > > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. > > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to separating > > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that makes > >you better. > > > > > > To your success, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > > com > > > > > >-- > >Take care, > >Ty > >http://tds-solutions.net > >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >that > >dares not reason is a slave. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 21:07:14 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 16:07:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy Message-ID: <52dd9027.870eec0a.1bb8.ffffae22@mx.google.com> Hi everyone I'd like to add my thoughts about this subject. I agree with the responses that have been posted so far. I think that Doctor Martin Luther King would be prourd of the obstacles that we have overcome as a nation. Our economy still has a long way to go. From arielle71 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 21:57:32 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 14:57:32 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Pat, I grew up using an aluminum folding cane with roller tip, too, and my teacher actively refused to let me try an NFB cane or a cane that went up higher than my sternum. Like many others I didn't really give it a second thought. However, once I started going to NFB conventions and meeting people who were much better cane travelers than I who loved their NFB canes, I decided to give one a try. It took a little adjusting at first, but now I could never go back to the aluminum cane. The NFB cane is just so much lighter and more sensitive. I use a combination of constant contact and two-point touch depending on the surface I am walking on and whether I'm just going straight for a while, looking for something specific, or trying to echolocate. I use a straight cane most of the time. It has nothing to do with philosophy, since even when I used a folding cane I never hid it. I simply feel the straight cane gives me better feedback and is easier to handle while walking. When I'm going somewhere that involves crowds and not much walking, then I will take an NFB folding cane. I don't like to walk long distances with it but it's easier to store. I've had bad experiences with telescoping canes breaking or getting stuck in the telescoped position, so I use a folding cane instead. Arielle On 1/20/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi, > > I've used a variety of canes, both from the NFB and not. My first > cane was a straight aluminum cane with a golfclub grip, and I liked it > because it was light and also had the nice rubber grip. It was a > great cane for getting me started because it was hollow, yet durrable. > My Orientation and Mobility instructor and I actually made it by > hand, cut the aluminum tube to the correct length and everything. > > I then moved into the folding aluminum canes and switched from pencil > to rolling marshmallow tips. I didn't like these as much; though the > tips were a big improvement, I hated how heavy the cane was. I had > several of these before I decided to experiment with the NFB canes. I > still have the free one I requested, and even followed NFB protocol by > ordering it tall. I have found that I prefer my cane to go to my chin > per how I was taught in elementary school, and personally like it > because I walk fast and it is long enough to help me but not long > enough to trip up other people. I know the NFB says the longer canes > are better for fast walkers, but for me I was always concerned about > tripping up people in front of me and didn't get the range of motion I > wanted out of it. I now use a telescopic NFB cane and love it. > > It is possible to do constant contact with an NFB cane, and I have not > found the rounded grip to be a problem. I have retained a lot of my > original cane technique through all the changes. The only time I use > the palm up technique is when I'm holding the cane closer to me, as it > is a bit more comfortable that way and allows for more motion closer > to the body. It's good to use both these gripping methods so you can > go between them as you see fit. Both really do help. > > I agree with Cindy. Try out one of the free NFB canes and see if you > like it. The lightness was a huge plus for me, and with all the > walking I do around campus I'm glad my wrist isn't straining. If you > get a chance to see someone else's telescopic or NFB folding cane try > that out too. The more variations in canes you try, the more you'll > learn about what does and does not work for you. > > Personally, I love the NFB philosophy of keeping the cane visible, but > I don't think folding up the cane is hiding blindness necessarily. > Blindness is still there whether the cane is straight and unfoldable, > or folded in a lap or on a desktop. I think the intent behind folding > up a cane is what matters; if you're folding it up to hide your > blindness, that is very different from folding it up for convenience. > It's like how people put away glasses, hearing aids, or other devices > when they are not using them; it doesn't mean they don't need glasses, > or cannot hear without hearing aids, but it's a matter of convenience. > Just my take on it. > > On 1/20/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Pat, >> >> I would first like to welcome you to these lists and to our Federation. >> It >> is good to hear that you are investigating all your options and taking >> full >> advantage of the network of support and resources which this organization >> provides. >> >> While I have my own experiences to draw from, I find questions like these >> slightly hard to answer. I say this because I believe travel is very much >> a >> matter of personal preference. To me, there is no "correct" cane to use >> and >> no single appropriate way to use it. What works for me may not work for >> you, >> and what works for you may not work for another blind person, and so on. >> Contrary to what some might have you believe, even the NFB does not >> officially endorse one particular method of travel, though our members >> might >> have their own strong opinions on the subject. Our concern, I believe, is >> that blind people have the confidence and the skills needed to travel >> where >> we want to go, however we choose to get there. >> >> With this said, let me tell you what I have done and currently do in the >> hope that this will add more information to the advice you have already >> received. For a long time I used an Ambutech folding cane with a pencil >> tip. >> While this provided relatively good information, it was hard for me to >> tap >> it, so I primarily used constant contact. When I went to an NFB-sponsored >> youth program for the first time, I had to give up my folding cane and >> use >> a >> rigid NFB cane with a metal tip during my time there. I came home liking >> the >> rigid cane for its lightness and ease of use. I was finally able to tap >> with >> ease, which provided me with the auditory information the old Ambutech >> lacked. However, I found the straight cane sometimes cumbersome, >> especially >> in public places and in cars. There were many times when people would >> approach me and inform me that my cane was sticking out in the aisle at a >> concert hall/theater or in the middle of a walkway in a restaurant. The >> travel instructors at the Louisiana Center for the Blind said this was >> because I was not putting the cane down correctly, but despite my many >> attempts I was never able to get the darned thing out of the way. Perhaps >> this was my fault, not the cane's. I then used an NFB folding cane for a >> few >> months, but it soon broke and I was forced to go back to my straight >> cane. >> Now I use and love another Ambutech folding cane. It is one of their >> Ultra-Light models with an NFB-style metal tip. This cane is very durable >> and truly lives up to the ultra-light name. I was able to keep the metal >> tip >> I like and get much of the advantages I found in my NFB cane while still >> enjoying the convenience of its ability to fold. I would strongly >> encourage >> you to look into this cane as you are searching for the right one for >> you. >> >> As for cane technique, I believe there is no law which forces me to use >> one >> technique alone. I therefore use a variety of techniques at different >> times >> and in different situations. In most situations I find myself using the >> tap-slide (sometimes referred to as touch-drag) technique to which Kirt >> referred in his message. However, I sometimes switch to constant contact >> or >> 2-point-touch when I am approaching a certain surface, e.g. steps or >> escalators. I also use a technique called "pencil grip" whenever I am in >> a >> crowded or tight space. This involves sliding my hand down to about the >> middle of the shaft and sweeping with a narrower arc than I would in the >> usual, open-palm method. This technique helps me get through crowds while >> avoiding tripping anyone. When I am using sighted guide, I also often >> switch >> my cane to pencil grip to avoid drifting my cane out and hitting either >> the >> guide or another passerby. As you can see, then, there are many cane >> techniques you can use and many situations in which to use all of them. I >> would advise you to become familiar with all these methods and choose >> which >> works best for you at any given time. >> >> I hope these suggestions and experiences help you and I apologize for the >> lengthy message. As you investigate which cane and technique(s) works >> best >> for you, I would like to leave you with this thought: take what you like >> and >> leave the rest. You will find that the NFB has many members with many >> beliefs about travel and about blindness in general. There will be some >> who >> will try to persuade you that their way is the only way to go. Don't let >> that dissuade you from doing your own exploration. Only you know what is >> best for you. With this in mind, I leave you to consider my thoughts and >> those of others, but decide for yourself. Good luck in this endeavor. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick >> Bennet >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:50 PM >> To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com >> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >> hope >> you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably >> explain. >> >> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was >> given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be >> pretty >> commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a >> place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always >> been used to. They seem decent enough. >> >> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >> kind >> of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard >> about >> something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. >> >> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >> hand >> over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows >> the >> cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant >> contact. >> Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes >> have >> metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas >> but >> would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed >> to >> be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages >> are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are >> lighter. >> Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes >> take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there >> really >> that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to >> learn >> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 22:06:52 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 15:06:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of defacto discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black Americans back in the 60's. -Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: > > Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. > > At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >> struggles of our African-American peers. >> >> Joe >> >> -- >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >> Visit my blog: >> http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His >> View of the U.S. Economy >> >> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >> >> >> you are always telling us to >> >> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. >> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >> said, >> >> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan association >> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro >> >> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited thousands >> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking ads >> >> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >> Breadbasket. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >> >> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >> governmental employment and private industry. And while >> >> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >> to commend the men who have been working with it >> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >> >> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >> >> But here is the story that's not printed in the >> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >> >> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >> Negro community every year. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >> gone national in the sense that we had a national >> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >> >> program, which you will hear more about. >> >> >> >> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >> >> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >> [applause], >> >> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >> >> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. >> >> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >> three years, we can build right here in the South >> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >> >> and with millions and millions of dollars in >> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now there are many other things that I could tell >> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >> >> of which we can all be proud. >> >> >> >> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >> >> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >> >> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >> >> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >> >> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >> >> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >> >> America as a significant nation in international >> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >> >> the richest, most powerful society in the history >> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >> >> >> >> And so we still have a long, long way to go >> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >> >> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >> >> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >> >> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >> village of America that revolution is still at >> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >> >> need some North Star to guide us into a future >> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >> >> >> >> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >> >> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >> and representation declared that the Negro was >> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >> >> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >> >> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >> >> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >> >> that of whites; and there are twice as many >> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >> >> >> >> In other spheres, the figures are equally >> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >> >> receive substantially less money per student than >> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >> >> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >> >> >> >> Where do we go from here? First, we must >> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >> >> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >> >> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >> >> >> >> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >> >> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >> >> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >> >> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >> has suggested that maybe the English language >> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >> >> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >> >> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >> >> personhood is as old as the earliest history >> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >> >> >> >> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >> >> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >> >> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >> weapon against the long night of physical >> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >> >> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >> >> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >> >> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >> >> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >> however painful and exploited that history has >> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >> >> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >> the people who were so sinful to make me a >> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >> >> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >> >> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >> organize our strength in to economic and >> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >> >> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >> one of the great problems that the Negro >> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >> >> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >> Negro has been confined to a life of >> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >> >> the right to make decisions concerning his life >> and destiny he has been subject to the >> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >> >> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >> created by those who had power, both to confine >> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >> >> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >> >> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >> >> required to bring about social, political, and >> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >> >> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >> >> >> >> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >> >> with power if power is used correctly. >> >> >> >> You see, what happened is that some of our >> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >> >> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >> opposites, so that love is identified with a >> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >> >> this misinterpretation that caused the >> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >> >> this same misinterpretation which induced >> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >> >> of love. >> >> >> >> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >> needed is a realization that power without love >> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >> >> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >> >> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >> this is what we must see as we move on. >> >> >> >> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >> >> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >> Americans to seek their goals through power >> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >> >> today to advocate for Negroes the same >> destructive and conscienceless power that they >> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >> >> immoral power with powerless morality which >> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >> >> the century this proposal would have been greeted >> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >> >> status was considered the measure of the >> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >> >> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >> come a long way in our understanding of human >> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >> >> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >> >> in constant or frequent unemployment against >> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >> >> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >> does not eliminate all poverty. >> >> >> >> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >> >> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >> position, we need to be concerned that the >> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >> >> that enhance the social good will have to be >> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >> >> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >> >> >> >> The fact is that the work which improves the >> condition of mankind, the work which extends >> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >> >> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >> >> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >> work that brings a security for its own sake and >> a state of society where want is abolished. >> >> >> >> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >> and we are likely to find that the problem of >> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >> >> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >> >> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >> disability, will have a greater effect on >> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >> >> in their struggle. >> >> >> >> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >> psychological changes inevitably will result from >> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >> >> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >> life are in his own hands, when he has the >> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >> >> knows that he has the means to seek >> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >> >> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >> >> >> >> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >> >> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >> >> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >> dollars to put God's children on their own two >> feet right here on earth. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >> >> justice has been tragically etched in all the >> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >> >> I want to give the other side. There is something >> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >> >> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >> within them, you perceive a desire for >> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >> riot and the other riots in various cities >> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >> >> this view always end up with stumbling words when >> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >> >> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >> government officials and a few water sprinklers >> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >> >> the food in the prison while the people remain >> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >> >> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >> >> >> >> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >> >> racist state and local governments and they talk >> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >> >> a government by violence unless the government >> had already lost the allegiance and effective >> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >> >> that this will not happen in the United States. >> In a violent racial situation, the power >> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >> >> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >> >> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >> >> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >> >> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >> the part of American blacks would find no >> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >> >> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >> >> >> >> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >> >> for change, a tactical program that will bring >> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >> >> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >> this we will end up with solutions that don't >> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >> >> explain. [applause] >> >> >> >> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >> >> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. >> >> >> >> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >> >> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >> can never advocate violence. For through violence >> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >> >> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >> >> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >> >> >> >> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >> >> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >> >> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >> >> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >> >> every time I see it, I know that it does >> something to their faces and their personalities, >> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >> >> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >> >> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >> >> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >> >> >> >> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >> >> speech; but if you have not love, it means >> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >> >> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >> molecules (All right); you may break into the >> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >> >> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >> >> of learning and the boundless extent of your >> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >> >> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >> >> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >> >> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >> >> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >> that a man may be self-centered in his >> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >> >> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >> >> >> >> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >> >> address itself to the question of restructuring >> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >> >> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >> >> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >> When you ask that question, you begin to question >> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >> >> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >> questions about the whole society. We are called >> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >> >> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >> edifice which produces beggars needs >> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >> >> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >> >> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >> >> that must be said. (All right) >> >> >> >> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >> >> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >> >> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >> >> but he left out his idealism and his >> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >> >> it into a system that he called "dialectical >> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >> >> >> >> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >> >> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >> >> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >> >> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >> >> evils that are interrelated. >> >> >> >> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >> >> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >> >> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >> >> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >> >> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >> >> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >> >> >> >> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >> >> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >> will exploit them and poor people generally >> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >> >> will have to have foreign investments and >> everything else, and it will have to use its >> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. >> >> (Yes) [applause] >> >> >> >> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh >> yes) >> >> >> >> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >> right) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >> >> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >> participate in the beauty of diversity. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >> women, however black they may be, will be judged >> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >> >> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >> [applause] >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >> >> with his God. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >> every city hall, justice will roll down like >> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >> >> tree, and none shall be afraid. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >> >> power and human power. [applause] >> >> >> >> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >> >> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >> >> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >> >> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >> >> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >> >> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >> >> Johnson (Yes): >> >> >> >> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >> >> Bitter the chastening rod >> >> Felt in the days >> >> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >> >> Yet with a steady beat, >> >> Have not our weary feet >> >> Come to the place >> >> For which our fathers sighed? >> >> We have come over a way >> >> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >> >> We have come treading our paths >> >> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >> >> Out from the gloomy past, >> >> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >> >> Where the bright gleam >> >> Of our bright star is cast. >> >> >> >> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >> It will give us the courage to face the >> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >> >> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >> >> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >> >> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >> >> >> >> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >> >> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >> >> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >> for the future, and with this faith we will be >> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >> >> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >> [applause] >> >> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >> >Tyler, >> > >> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to >> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >> took >> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for every >> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck in >> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >> >government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly >> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >> > >> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in fact >> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string >> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed with >> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices at >> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for an >> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >> these >> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the next >> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide >> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do not >> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >> > >> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no compelling >> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >> post >> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume that >> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm left >> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, >> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >> >frustration it conjures. >> > >> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help you >> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not suit >> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >> have >> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to references >> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs on >> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for jobs >> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an >> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a government >> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >> that's >> >economics. >> > >> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your own >> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >> > >> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a disservice >> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >> hard >> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >> position. >> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. Never >> >again. >> > >> >Joe >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >> > >> >Joe: >> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are not >> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be working >> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships do >> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so should >> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. >> You >> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the economy, >> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people who >> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other hurtles >> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about >> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even >> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying >> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. >> > >> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >> > > Tyler, >> > > >> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is a >> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling >> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, which >> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where service >> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. You'll >> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up >> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will drop >> >out from under you. >> > > >> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >> > > >> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean more >> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is >> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do better. >> > > >> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with a >> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease >> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >> >organization we have today. >> > > >> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. >> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and >> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >> confused >> >by your logic. >> > > >> > > Bridgit, >> > > >> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be >> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think >> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the >> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily >> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a >> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >> suited >> >for my skills than others. >> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and >> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of >> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet of >> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get the >> >work done. >> > > >> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive education >> >program. >> > > >> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are going >> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the >> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for being >> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >> > > >> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than others >> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer >> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >> > > >> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There >> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to listen >> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of the >> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps >> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >> > > >> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to separating >> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that makes >> >you better. >> > > >> > > To your success, >> > > >> > > Joe >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >> > > com >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Take care, >> >Ty >> >http://tds-solutions.net >> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> >dares not reason is a slave. >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >nabs-l mailing list >> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Mon Jan 20 23:40:48 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:40:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <006401cf1639$0cf196a0$26d4c3e0$@gmail.com> I don't think MLK was against capitalism. I think his argument was about the exclusion from capitalism of a huge segment of society on the basis of their appearance and the injustice of it all in a country that was thoroughly prospering under a capitalist system. My interpretation is that he read communist literature, appreciated it for what it was attempting to achieve but found it wanting. But, that is my own interpretation, and contrary to what some may think, I have zero interest in forcing others to think as I do. For whatever it's worth, blind people are still doing better in capitalist countries than they are in socialist ones. But, no matter whether socialist or capitalist, blind people were never chained, beaten, sold, and hung. There are some principles we can borrow for our own cause, but Dr. King's inspiration was primarily meant for the people who were feeling the true brunt of injustice in such a blatantly public manner. On a slightly related note, and I have no way of tying this to the purpose of the list so please forgive me in advance, but if you haven't seen The Butler, you should check it out. It's an excellent film that touches on some of these themes. Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 4:04 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It >is true that blind people are discriminated for being perceived as >helpless, but African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to >face, discrimination for being thought of as less than human. I think >Martin Luther King would have appreciated laws that would have >protected his people from employment discrimination. I think he would >have loved laws that intercede in the interest of a child's equal >educational opportunities. We may not have always counted on Braille >bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed equal access to them. >Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies always working, >but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the disadvantages of >a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And yet, despite >the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same speech >you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >that can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >the struggles of our African-American peers. > >Joe > >-- >Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > >Visit my blog: >http://joeorozco.com/blog > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >His View of the U.S. Economy > >In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >(MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. > > >you are always telling us to > >lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every day. >Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, >we said, > >"We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >association and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & >Post, the Negro > >newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >thousands of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already >started taking ads > >in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >Breadbasket. [applause] > > > >Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited to Chicago and >Cleveland, let me say to you that we've gotten even more than that. In >Atlanta, Georgia, > >Breadbasket has been equally successful in the South. Here the emphasis >has been divided between governmental employment and private industry. >And while > >I do not have time to go into the details, I want to commend the men >who have been working with it >here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, > >the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, Reverend Greer, and I could >go on down the line, and they have stood up along with all of the other >ministers. > >But here is the story that's not printed in the newspapers in Atlanta: >as a result of Operation Breadbasket, over the last three years, we >have added about > >twenty-five million dollars of new income to the Negro community every >year. [applause] > > > >Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now gone national in the >sense that we had a national conference in Chicago and agreed to launch >a nationwide > >program, which you will hear more about. > > > >Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, we have already >contracted to build 152 units of low-income > >housing with apartments for the elderly on a choice downtown Atlanta >site under the sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the >first project [applause], > >this is the first project of a proposed southwide Housing Development >Corporation which we hope to develop in conjunction with SCLC, and >through this corporation > >we hope to build housing from Mississippi to North Carolina using Negro >workmen, Negro architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial >institutions throughout. > >And it is our feeling that in the next two or three years, we can build >right here in the South forty million dollars worth of new housing for >Negroes, > >and with millions and millions of dollars in income coming to the Negro >community. [applause] > > > >Now there are many other things that I could tell you, but time is >passing. This, in short, is an account of SCLC's work over the last >year. It is a record > >of which we can all be proud. > > > >With all the struggle and all the achievements, we must face the fact, >however, that the Negro still lives in the basement of the Great >Society. He is > >still at the bottom, despite the few who have penetrated to slightly >higher levels. Even where the door has been forced partially open, >mobility for the > >Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often no bottom at which to >start, and when there is there's almost no room at the top. In >consequence, Negroes > >are still impoverished aliens in an affluent society. They are too poor >even to rise with the society, too impoverished by the ages to be able >to ascend > >by using their own resources. And the Negro did not do this himself; it >was done to him. For more than half of his American history, he was >enslaved. Yet, > >he built the spanning bridges and the grand mansions, the sturdy docks >and stout factories of the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" >and established > >America as a significant nation in international commerce. Even after >his release from chattel slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging >him. It became > >the richest, most powerful society in the history of man, but it left >the Negro far behind. > > > >And so we still have a long, long way to go before we reach the >promised land of freedom. >Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed > >a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a long and piercing >winter of massive resistance, but before we reach the majestic shores >of the promised > >land, there will still be gigantic mountains of opposition ahead and >prodigious hilltops of injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need >some Paul Revere > >of conscience to alert every hamlet and every village of America that >revolution is still at hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; >indeed, we > >need some North Star to guide us into a future shrouded with >impenetrable uncertainties. > > > >Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do we go from here?" which >is our theme, we must first honestly recognize where we are now. When >the Constitution > >was written, a strange formula to determine taxes and representation >declared that the Negro was sixty percent of a person. Today another >curious formula > >seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >Of the good things in life, the Negro has approximately one half those >of whites. Of the bad things of > >life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of all Negroes live in >substandard housing. And Negroes have half the income of whites. When >we turn to > >the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a double share: There >are twice as many unemployed; the rate of infant mortality among >Negroes is double > >that of whites; and there are twice as many Negroes dying in Vietnam as >whites in proportion to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] > > > >In other spheres, the figures are equally alarming. In elementary >schools, Negroes lag one to three years behind whites, and their >segregated schools (Yeah) > >receive substantially less money per student than the white schools. >(Those schools) One-twentieth as many Negroes as whites attend college. >Of employed > >Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. > > > >Where do we go from here? First, we must massively assert our dignity >and worth. We must stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and >develop an > >unassailable and majestic sense of values. We must no longer be ashamed >of being black. (All >right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have > >been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. > > > >Even semantics have conspired to make that which is black seem ugly and >degrading. (Yes) In Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for >blackness > >and at least sixty of them are offensive, such words as blot, soot, >grim, devil, and foul. And there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness >and all are favorable, > >expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, chastity, and >innocence. A white lie is better than a black lie. (Yes) The most >degenerate member of a > >family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis has suggested that maybe >the English language should be reconstructed so that teachers will not >be forced > >to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise himself, and thereby >perpetuate his false sense of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways >to adore himself, > >and thereby perpetuate his false sense of superiority. [applause] The >tendency to ignore the Negro's contribution to American life and strip >him of his > >personhood is as old as the earliest history books and as contemporary >as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) > > > >To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an >affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the >Negro's freedom that > >overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. (Yes) As long as >the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological >freedom, > >a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the >long night of physical slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation >Proclamation, no Johnsonian > >civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro >will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own >being and signs > >with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own emancipation >proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the >Negro must boldly > >throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the >world, "I am somebody. (Oh >yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. > >(Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, however painful and >exploited that history has been. Yes, I was a slave through my >foreparents (That's right), > >and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of the people who were so >sinful to make me a slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must >stand up and > >say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and beautiful." (Yes) This >[applause], this self-affirmation is the black man's need, made >compelling (All right) > >by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) > > > >Now another basic challenge is to discover how to organize our strength >in to economic and political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro >is in dire > >need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, one of the great >problems that the Negro confronts is his lack of power. From the old >plantations of the > >South to the newer ghettos of the North, the Negro has been confined to >a life of voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) >Stripped of > >the right to make decisions concerning his life and destiny he has been >subject to the authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the >white power > >structure. The plantation and the ghetto were created by those who had >power, both to confine those who had no power and to perpetuate their >powerlessness. > >Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, therefore, is a problem of >power, a confrontation between the forces of power demanding change and >the forces > >of power dedicated to the preserving of the status quo. Now, power >properly understood is nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It >is the strength > >required to bring about social, political, and economic change. Walter >Reuther defined power one day. He said, "Power is the ability of a >labor union like > >UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the world, General Motors, >say, 'Yes' when it wants to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] > > > >Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have our moral convictions >and concerns, and so often we have problems with power. But there is >nothing wrong > >with power if power is used correctly. > > > >You see, what happened is that some of our philosophers got off base. >And one of the great problems of history is that the concepts of love >and power have > >usually been contrasted as opposites, polar opposites, so that love is >identified with a resignation of power, and power with a denial of >love. It was > >this misinterpretation that caused the >philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of the will to power, to >reject the Christian concept of love. It was > >this same misinterpretation which induced Christian theologians to >reject Nietzsche's philosophy of the will to power in the name of the >Christian idea > >of love. > > > >Now, we got to get this thing right. What is needed is a realization >that power without love is reckless and abusive, and that love without >power is sentimental > >and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], power at its best is >love (Yes) implementing the demands of justice, and justice at its best >is love correcting > >everything that stands against love. (Speak) And this is what we must >see as we move on. > > > >Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong and mixed up in our >country, and this has led Negro Americans in the past to seek their >goals through > >love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white Americans to seek >their goals through power devoid of love and conscience. It is leading >a few extremists > >today to advocate for Negroes the same >destructive and conscienceless power that they have justly abhorred in >whites. It is precisely this collision of > >immoral power with powerless morality which constitutes the major >crisis of our times. (Yes) > > > >Now we must develop progress, or rather, a program-and I can't stay on >this long-that will drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. >Now, early in > >the century this proposal would have been greeted with ridicule and >denunciation as destructive of initiative and responsibility. At that >time economic > >status was considered the measure of the individual's abilities and >talents. And in the thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods >indicated a > >want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've come a long way in >our understanding of human motivation and of the blind operation of our >economic system. > >Now we realize that dislocations in the market operation of our economy >and the prevalence of discrimination thrust people into idleness and >bind them > >in constant or frequent unemployment against their will. The poor are >less often dismissed, I hope, from our conscience today by being >branded as inferior > >and incompetent. We also know that no matter how dynamically the >economy develops and expands, it does not eliminate all poverty. > > > >The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >twofold: We must create full employment, or we must create incomes. >People must be made consumers by one > >method or the other. Once they are placed in this position, we need to >be concerned that the potential of the individual is not wasted. New >forms of work > >that enhance the social good will have to be devised for those for whom >traditional jobs are not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated >this state > >of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: > > > >The fact is that the work which improves the condition of mankind, the >work which extends knowledge and increases power and enriches >literature and elevates > >thought, is not done to secure a living. It is not the work of slaves >driven to their tasks either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal >necessities. > >It is the work of men who somehow find a form of work that brings a >security for its own sake and a state of society where want is >abolished. > > > >Work of this sort could be enormously increased, and we are likely to >find that the problem of housing, education, instead of preceding the >elimination > >of poverty, will themselves be affected if poverty is first abolished. >The poor, transformed into purchasers, will do a great deal on their >own to alter > >housing decay. Negroes, who have a double disability, will have a >greater effect on discrimination when they have the additional weapon >of cash to use > >in their struggle. > > > >Beyond these advantages, a host of positive psychological changes >inevitably will result from widespread economic security. The dignity >of the individual > >will flourish when the decisions concerning his life are in his own >hands, when he has the assurance that his income is stable and certain, >and when he > >knows that he has the means to seek >self-improvement. Personal conflicts between husband, wife, and >children will diminish when the unjust measurement > >of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. > > > >Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth Galbraith said that a >guaranteed annual income could be done for about twenty billion dollars >a year. And I > >say to you today, that if our nation can spend thirty-five billion >dollars a year to fight an unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty >billion dollars to > >put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of dollars to put God's >children on their own two feet right here on earth. [applause] > > > >Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our commitment to >nonviolence. And I want to stress this. The futility of violence in the >struggle for racial > >justice has been tragically etched in all the recent Negro riots. Now, >yesterday, I tried to analyze the riots and deal with the causes for >them. Today > >I want to give the other side. There is something painfully sad about a >riot. One sees screaming youngsters and angry adults fighting >hopelessly and aimlessly > >against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down within them, you perceive >a desire for self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) > > > >Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts riot and the other >riots in various cities represented effective civil rights action. But >those who express > >this view always end up with stumbling words when asked what concrete >gains have been won as a result. At best, the riots have produced a >little additional > >anti-poverty money allotted by frightened government officials and a >few water sprinklers to cool the children of the ghettos. It is >something like improving > >the food in the prison while the people remain securely incarcerated >behind bars. (That's right) Nowhere have the riots won any concrete >improvement such > >as have the organized protest demonstrations. > > > >And when one tries to pin down advocates of violence as to what acts >would be effective, the answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they >talk of overthrowing > >racist state and local governments and they talk about guerrilla >warfare. They fail to see that no internal revolution has ever >succeeded in overthrowing > >a government by violence unless the government had already lost the >allegiance and effective control of its armed forces. Anyone in his >right mind knows > >that this will not happen in the United States. >In a violent racial situation, the power structure has the local >police, the state troopers, the National > >Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of which are predominantly >white. (Yes) Furthermore, few, if any, violent revolutions have been >successful > >unless the violent minority had the sympathy and support of the >non-resisting majority. Castro may have had only a few Cubans actually >fighting with him > >and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have never overthrown the >Batista regime unless he had had the sympathy of the vast majority of >Cuban people. It > >is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on the part of American >blacks would find no sympathy and support from the white population and >very little > >from the majority of the Negroes themselves. > > > >This is no time for romantic illusions and empty philosophical debates >about freedom. This is a time for action. (All right) What is needed is >a strategy > >for change, a tactical program that will bring the Negro into the >mainstream of American life as quickly as possible. So far, this has >only been offered > >by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing this we will end up >with solutions that don't solve, answers that don't answer, and >explanations that don't > >explain. [applause] > > > >And so I say to you today that I still stand by nonviolence. (Yes) And >I am still convinced [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the >most potent > >weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this country. > > > >And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a better world. I'm >concerned about justice; I'm concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned >about truth. (That's > >right) And when one is concerned about that, he can never advocate >violence. For through violence you may murder a murderer, but you can't >murder murder. > >(Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but you can't establish >truth. (That's right) Through violence you may murder a hater, but you >can't murder > >hate through violence. (All right, That's right) Darkness cannot put >out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] > > > >And I say to you, I have also decided to stick with love, for I know >that love is ultimately the only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) >And I'm going > >to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't popular to talk about >it in some circles today. >(No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I > >talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, demanding love. (Yes) For >I have seen too much hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces >of sheriffs > >in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces of too many Klansmen >and too many White Citizens Councilors in the South to want to hate, >myself, because > >every time I see it, I know that it does something to their faces and >their personalities, and I say to myself that hate is too great a >burden to bear. > >(Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >[applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I think you can find it >through love. And the beautiful thing > >is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, because John was right, >God is love. (Yes) He who hates does not know God, but he who loves has >the key that > >unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. > > > >And so I say to you today, my friends, that you may be able to speak >with the tongues of men and angels (All right); you may have the >eloquence of articulate > >speech; but if you have not love, it means nothing. (That's right) Yes, >you may have the gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific >prediction > >(Yes sir) and understand the behavior of molecules (All right); you may >break into the storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new >insights; > >yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic achievement (Yes sir) so >that you have all knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your >great institutions > >of learning and the boundless extent of your degrees; but if you have >not love, all of these mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give >your goods > >to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great gifts to charity >(Speak); and you may tower high in philanthropy; but if you have not >love, your charity > >means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your body to be burned and >die the death of a martyr, and your spilt blood may be a symbol of >honor for generations > >yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one of history's greatest >heroes; but if you have not love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt >in vain. > >What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is that a man may be >self-centered in his self-denial and self-righteous in his >self-sacrifice. His generosity > >may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his pride. (Speak) So without >love, benevolence becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual >pride. > > > >I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, as we talk about >"Where do we go from here?" that we must honestly face the fact that >the movement must > >address itself to the question of restructuring the whole of American >society. (Yes) There are forty million poor people here, and one day we >must ask > >the question, "Why are there forty million poor people in America?" And >when you begin to ask that question, you are raising a question about >the economic > >system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >When you ask that question, you begin to question the capitalistic >economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying > >that more and more, we've got to begin to ask questions about the whole >society. We are called upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's >marketplace. > >(Yes) But one day we must come to see that an edifice which produces >beggars needs restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must >be raised. And > >you see, my friends, when you deal with this you begin to ask the >question, "Who owns the oil?" >(Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron > >ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why is it that people have >to pay water bills in a world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) >These are words > >that must be said. (All right) > > > >Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm not talking about >communism. What I'm talking about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My >inspiration didn't > >come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration didn't come from Engels; my >inspiration didn't come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from >Lenin. Yes, > >I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long time ago (Well), and >I saw that maybe Marx didn't follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took >his dialectics, > >but he left out his idealism and his >spiritualism. And he went over to a German philosopher by the name of >Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made > >it into a system that he called "dialectical materialism." (Speak) I >have to reject that. > > > >What I'm saying to you this morning is communism forgets that life is >individual. (Yes) Capitalism forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go >ahead) And the > >kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the thesis of communism nor >the antithesis of capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) >[applause] It is > >found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that combines the truths of both. >(Yes) Now, when I say questioning the whole society, it means >ultimately coming > >to see that the problem of racism, the problem of economic >exploitation, and the problem of war are all tied together. (All right) >These are the triple > >evils that are interrelated. > > > >And if you will let me be a preacher just a little bit. (Speak) One day >[applause], one night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to >know what > >he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get bogged down on the >kind of isolated approach of what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, >"Now Nicodemus, > >you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, "Nicodemus, now you must >not commit adultery." He didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop >cheating if > >you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, you must stop drinking >liquor if you are doing that excessively." He said something altogether >different, > >because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And if a man will steal, >he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just > >getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at him and said, >"Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] > > > >In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must be changed." >[applause] A nation that will keep people in slavery for 244 years will >"thingify" them and > >make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they will exploit them and >poor people generally economically. (Yes) And a nation that will >exploit economically > >will have to have foreign investments and everything else, and it will >have to use its military might to protect them. All of these problems >are tied together. > >(Yes) [applause] > > > >What I'm saying today is that we must go from this convention and say, >"America, you must be born again!" [applause] (Oh >yes) > > > >And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a task, and let us go >out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until America will no longer have a high blood >pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >right) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic walls that separate the >outer city of wealth and comfort from the inner city of poverty and >despair shall > >be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live on the outskirts of >hope are brought into the metropolis of daily security. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast into the junk heaps >of history (Yes), and every family will live in a decent, sanitary >home. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark yesterdays of segregated >schools will be transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated >education. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not seen as a problem but >as an opportunity to participate in the beauty of diversity. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and women, however black >they may be, will be judged on the basis of the content of their >character, not on > >the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >[applause] > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state capitol (Yes) will be >housed by a governor who will do justly, who will love mercy, and who >will walk humbly > >with his God. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from every city hall, justice >will roll down like waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. >(Yes) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when the lion and the lamb >shall lie down together (Yes), and every man will sit under his own >vine and fig > >tree, and none shall be afraid. > > > >Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will recognize that out of one >blood (Yes) God made all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. >(Speak sir) > > > >Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody will shout, "White >Power!" when nobody will shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk >about God's > >power and human power. [applause] > > > >And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that the road ahead will not >always be smooth. (Yes) There will still be rocky places of frustration >(Yes) and > >meandering points of bewilderment. There will be inevitable setbacks >here and there. (Yes) And there will be those moments when the buoyancy >of hope will > >be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >(Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and our ethereal hopes >blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched > >eyes, have to stand before the bier of some courageous civil rights >worker whose life will be snuffed out by the dastardly acts of >bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) > >But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we must walk on in the days >ahead with an audacious faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue >our charted > >course, we may gain consolation from the words so nobly left by that >great black bard, who was also a great freedom fighter of yesterday, >James Weldon > >Johnson (Yes): > > > >Stony the road we trod (Yes), > >Bitter the chastening rod > >Felt in the days > >When hope unborn had died. (Yes) > >Yet with a steady beat, > >Have not our weary feet > >Come to the place > >For which our fathers sighed? > >We have come over a way > >That with tears has been watered. (Well) > >We have come treading our paths > >Through the blood of the slaughtered. > >Out from the gloomy past, > >Till now we stand at last (Yes) > >Where the bright gleam > >Of our bright star is cast. > > > >Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) It will give us the >courage to face the uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired >feet new strength > >as we continue our forward stride toward the city of freedom. (Yes) >When our days become dreary with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), >and when our > >nights become darker than a thousand midnights (Well), let us remember >(Yes) that there is a creative force in this universe working to pull >down the gigantic > >mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to make a way out of no >way (Yes) and transform dark yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) > > > >Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends >toward justice. Let us realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: >"Truth, crushed > >to earth, will rise again." Let us go out realizing that the Bible is >right: "Be not deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man >soweth (Yes), > >that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope for the future, and >with this faith we will be able to sing in some not too distant >tomorrow, with a cosmic > >past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have overcome! Deep in my >heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >[applause] > >At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: > >Tyler, > > > >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because > >you think they hire anything off the street or because they bend > >backward to give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on > >both counts. It >took > >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for > >every few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far > >better luck in the private sector getting what I need than I've > >gotten in the federal government. You'd think government would be the > >most disability-friendly employer. That's a knee slapper. > > > >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in > >fact worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and > >shoe string businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you > >were headed with that line of thinking. I've encountered the same > >biases and prejudices at employers large and small. I've even had > >experiences where I show up for an interview after being vetted and > >got turned away upon discovering I was blind. I could have developed > >some sort of a record for taking some of >these > >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on > >the next batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I > >want to provide services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there > >are places that do not want the volunteer service. I keep looking, > >because there are ten other places that will gladly accept the free labor. > > > >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no > >compelling evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question > >in the other >post > >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume > >that you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, > >but I'm left to gather you are young, still in school and can > >therefore not give concrete evidence to what it is like to be > >unemployed, truly unemployed, something I have been and can testify > >to the feeling of overbearing frustration it conjures. > > > >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a > >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will > >help you get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking > >does not suit you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the > >benefit my logic could >have > >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to > >references in the training center discussion to graduates who could > >not find jobs on account of the economy. That's one quick way to give > >up on looking for jobs and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that > >my style of thinking is an idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic > >is putting faith in a government system that will not be able to > >sustain social benefits forever. Social Security is just one example > >of a benefit our generation will more than likely not be able to > >enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >that's > >economics. > > > >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your > >own bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of > >Congress, an employer, or your family. That's real independence. > > > >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people > >find jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a > >disservice not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say > >this much speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people > >committed to >hard > >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >position. > >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. > >Never again. > > > >Joe > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] > >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM > >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students > >mailing list > >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy > > > >Joe: > >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people > >are not capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I > >wouldn't be working through college right now, taking out loans to > >cover what scholarships do not. My point is to say that your > >conservative "I have a job and so should you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. >You > >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the > >economy, to which I agreed partially and said that while there are > >some people who do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It > >increases the difficulty for us as blind applicants because we > >already have other hurtles in the way--assistive technology, > >accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm saying it's not quite as easy > >as you make it sound, while boasting about yourself and skills at the > >same time. Most people looking for jobs (even sighted people) will > >agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position within the > >government, which I dare say is not really the same as applying to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. > > > >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: > > > Tyler, > > > > > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills > > > is a marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not > > > belittling your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for > > > clients is part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of > > > whether you set up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside > > > of Craigslist, which I would never recommend because of their > > > general decline where service advertisement is concerned, I would > > > look into Elance and Odesk. You'll need to be careful with clients > > > interested in low bids over top talent, but that's going to be > > > true no matter what website forum you set up shop. You'll need to > > > advertise across social networks, pick up the phone and make cold > > > calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. > > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is > > > that even after you secure new business, you still need to devote > > > time to marketing for more, because you never know when the safety > > > net will drop > >out from under you. > > > > > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me > > > to hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's > > > candid feedback from a prospective customer. > > > > > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing > > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, > > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean > > > more job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of > > > grim job statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of > > > service you say you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the > > > rest of the economy is up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do better. > > > > > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before > > > we had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began > > > with a dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, > > > and while some would argue the NFB is different because it's a > > > social cause, it's because it was a social cause that it took grit > > > and elbow grease to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a > > > business like any other, and if our past leaders had just crossed > > > their arms and said, "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would > > > have never seen the > >organization we have today. > > > > > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all sincerity. > > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement > > > and suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've > > > done a fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your > > > alternative? All I've read from you is that the economy sucks, > > > that jobs are too hard to get and that I'm basically delusional > > > for thinking anything different. Never mind that I and many others > > > are the evidence that disprove your gloom and doom way of > > > thinking. Surely you are not suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell > > > us, what would you suggest to the struggling unemployed person who > > > is desperate for a job? Are you basically saying to give up and it > > > sucks to be you? If you offer no alternative, you're basically > > > advocating for the status quo, and you've already said the status > > > quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >confused > >by your logic. > > > > > > Bridgit, > > > > > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would > > > be great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I > > > think we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question > > > whether the area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications > > > I can bring to the market. For example, I would not live in Maine > > > and hope to easily break into screen writing, nor would it be as > > > feasible for me to be a rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? > > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >suited > >for my skills than others. > > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, > > > and I live in the perfect place for it given the highest > > > concentration of nonprofits in the country. The persistent > > > evolution of the Internet of things will help bridge some of these > > > gaps, but until our generation fully takes over the job market, we > > > will still have to fight against outdated views that people need > > > to be in a traditional office to get the > >work done. > > > > > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to > > > think through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. > > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside > > > of academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well > > > have graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications > > > are severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's > > > wrong with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of > > > taking a gap year to figure out yourself and what it is you're > > > really passionate about before spending thousands of dollars in a > > > very expensive education > >program. > > > > > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are > > > going to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. > > > There's nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view > > > of blind people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change > > > even if the economy was booming. If they did not discriminate > > > against me for being blind, they might discriminate against me for > > > being Hispanic, male, immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort > > > I can offer is keep applying or move to an area with more open minds. > > > > > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not > > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running > > > a company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time > > > management, budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the > > > more I think about these qualities, the more they could make for a > > > compelling resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you > > > more than others will find creative ways of conveying your > > > talents. Not every employer will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. > > > > > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. > > > There is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse > > > to listen to something other than the tired arguments that it's > > > the fault of the economy or my disability or the next-door > > > neighbor. I am accused of being too idealistic, but when real > > > unemployment strikes, it's very easy to begin questioning your > > > self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps and wondering if I stumbled > > > down the wrong path in life, I would personally rather here of how > > > I might just make my passion work instead of constant reminders > > > that we have it so bad for being blind and for having to compete against so many applicants. > > > > > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for > > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution > > > to get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. > > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. > > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to > > > separating the great from the good. The key is figuring out the > > > approach that makes > >you better. > > > > > > To your success, > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > nabs-l mailing list > > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > > > for > >nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. > > > com > > > > > >-- > >Take care, > >Ty > >http://tds-solutions.net > >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; > >he >that > >dares not reason is a slave. > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >nabs-l mailing list > >nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comc >ast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jan 21 00:47:23 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:47:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com><005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn><00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com><52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com><00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com><5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com><006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net><000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> Hi, Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and comment on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, was a bit evil. Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in society and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for granted the strides of integration he made now. I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement of Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on being blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly changing what it means to be blind. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Jamie Principato Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of defacto discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black Americans back in the 60's. -Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: > > Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in > America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what > ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that > he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America > primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read > the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. > > At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >> similar >> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >> that >> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >> discrimination >> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >> employment >> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >> policies >> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >> And >> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >> same >> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >> done. >> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >> that >> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >> struggles of our African-American peers. >> >> Joe >> >> -- >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >> Visit my blog: >> http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >> His >> View of the U.S. Economy >> >> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >> >> >> you are always telling us to >> >> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every >> day. >> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >> said, >> >> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >> association >> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the Negro >> >> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >> thousands >> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking >> ads >> >> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >> Breadbasket. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >> >> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >> governmental employment and private industry. And while >> >> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >> to commend the men who have been working with it >> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >> >> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >> >> But here is the story that's not printed in the >> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >> >> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >> Negro community every year. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >> gone national in the sense that we had a national >> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >> >> program, which you will hear more about. >> >> >> >> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >> >> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >> [applause], >> >> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >> >> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions throughout. >> >> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >> three years, we can build right here in the South >> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >> >> and with millions and millions of dollars in >> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now there are many other things that I could tell >> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >> >> of which we can all be proud. >> >> >> >> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >> >> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >> >> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >> >> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >> >> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >> >> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >> >> America as a significant nation in international >> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >> >> the richest, most powerful society in the history >> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >> >> >> >> And so we still have a long, long way to go >> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >> >> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >> >> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >> >> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >> village of America that revolution is still at >> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >> >> need some North Star to guide us into a future >> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >> >> >> >> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >> >> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >> and representation declared that the Negro was >> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >> >> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >> >> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >> >> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >> >> that of whites; and there are twice as many >> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >> >> >> >> In other spheres, the figures are equally >> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >> >> receive substantially less money per student than >> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >> >> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >> >> >> >> Where do we go from here? First, we must >> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >> >> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >> >> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >> >> >> >> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >> >> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >> >> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >> >> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >> has suggested that maybe the English language >> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >> >> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >> >> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >> >> personhood is as old as the earliest history >> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >> >> >> >> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >> >> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >> >> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >> weapon against the long night of physical >> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >> >> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >> >> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >> >> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >> >> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >> however painful and exploited that history has >> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >> >> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >> the people who were so sinful to make me a >> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >> >> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >> >> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >> organize our strength in to economic and >> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >> >> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >> one of the great problems that the Negro >> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >> >> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >> Negro has been confined to a life of >> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >> >> the right to make decisions concerning his life >> and destiny he has been subject to the >> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >> >> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >> created by those who had power, both to confine >> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >> >> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >> >> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >> >> required to bring about social, political, and >> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >> >> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >> >> >> >> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >> >> with power if power is used correctly. >> >> >> >> You see, what happened is that some of our >> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >> >> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >> opposites, so that love is identified with a >> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >> >> this misinterpretation that caused the >> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >> >> this same misinterpretation which induced >> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >> >> of love. >> >> >> >> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >> needed is a realization that power without love >> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >> >> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >> >> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >> this is what we must see as we move on. >> >> >> >> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >> >> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >> Americans to seek their goals through power >> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >> >> today to advocate for Negroes the same >> destructive and conscienceless power that they >> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >> >> immoral power with powerless morality which >> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >> >> the century this proposal would have been greeted >> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >> >> status was considered the measure of the >> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >> >> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >> come a long way in our understanding of human >> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >> >> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >> >> in constant or frequent unemployment against >> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >> >> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >> does not eliminate all poverty. >> >> >> >> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >> >> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >> position, we need to be concerned that the >> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >> >> that enhance the social good will have to be >> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >> >> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >> >> >> >> The fact is that the work which improves the >> condition of mankind, the work which extends >> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >> >> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >> >> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >> work that brings a security for its own sake and >> a state of society where want is abolished. >> >> >> >> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >> and we are likely to find that the problem of >> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >> >> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >> >> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >> disability, will have a greater effect on >> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >> >> in their struggle. >> >> >> >> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >> psychological changes inevitably will result from >> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >> >> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >> life are in his own hands, when he has the >> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >> >> knows that he has the means to seek >> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >> >> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >> >> >> >> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >> >> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >> >> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >> dollars to put God's children on their own two >> feet right here on earth. [applause] >> >> >> >> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >> >> justice has been tragically etched in all the >> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >> >> I want to give the other side. There is something >> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >> >> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >> within them, you perceive a desire for >> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >> riot and the other riots in various cities >> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >> >> this view always end up with stumbling words when >> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >> >> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >> government officials and a few water sprinklers >> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >> >> the food in the prison while the people remain >> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >> >> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >> >> >> >> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >> >> racist state and local governments and they talk >> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >> >> a government by violence unless the government >> had already lost the allegiance and effective >> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >> >> that this will not happen in the United States. >> In a violent racial situation, the power >> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >> >> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >> >> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >> >> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >> >> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >> the part of American blacks would find no >> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >> >> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >> >> >> >> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >> >> for change, a tactical program that will bring >> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >> >> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >> this we will end up with solutions that don't >> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >> >> explain. [applause] >> >> >> >> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >> >> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >> country. >> >> >> >> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >> >> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >> can never advocate violence. For through violence >> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >> >> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >> >> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >> >> >> >> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >> >> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >> >> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >> >> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >> >> every time I see it, I know that it does >> something to their faces and their personalities, >> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >> >> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >> >> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >> >> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >> >> >> >> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >> >> speech; but if you have not love, it means >> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >> >> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >> molecules (All right); you may break into the >> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >> >> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >> >> of learning and the boundless extent of your >> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >> >> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >> >> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >> >> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >> >> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >> that a man may be self-centered in his >> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >> >> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >> >> >> >> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >> >> address itself to the question of restructuring >> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >> >> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >> >> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >> When you ask that question, you begin to question >> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >> >> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >> questions about the whole society. We are called >> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >> >> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >> edifice which produces beggars needs >> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >> >> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >> >> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >> >> that must be said. (All right) >> >> >> >> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >> >> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >> >> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >> >> but he left out his idealism and his >> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >> >> it into a system that he called "dialectical >> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >> >> >> >> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >> >> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >> >> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >> >> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >> >> evils that are interrelated. >> >> >> >> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >> >> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >> >> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >> >> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >> >> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >> >> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >> >> >> >> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >> >> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >> will exploit them and poor people generally >> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >> >> will have to have foreign investments and >> everything else, and it will have to use its >> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. >> >> (Yes) [applause] >> >> >> >> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >> (Oh >> yes) >> >> >> >> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >> right) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >> >> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >> security. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >> participate in the beauty of diversity. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >> women, however black they may be, will be judged >> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >> >> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >> [applause] >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >> >> with his God. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >> every city hall, justice will roll down like >> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >> >> tree, and none shall be afraid. >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >> >> >> >> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >> >> power and human power. [applause] >> >> >> >> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >> >> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >> >> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >> >> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >> >> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >> >> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >> >> Johnson (Yes): >> >> >> >> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >> >> Bitter the chastening rod >> >> Felt in the days >> >> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >> >> Yet with a steady beat, >> >> Have not our weary feet >> >> Come to the place >> >> For which our fathers sighed? >> >> We have come over a way >> >> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >> >> We have come treading our paths >> >> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >> >> Out from the gloomy past, >> >> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >> >> Where the bright gleam >> >> Of our bright star is cast. >> >> >> >> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >> It will give us the courage to face the >> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >> >> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >> >> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >> >> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >> >> >> >> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >> >> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >> >> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >> for the future, and with this faith we will be >> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >> >> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >> [applause] >> >> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >> >Tyler, >> > >> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward to >> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >> took >> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >> >every >> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck >> >in >> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >> >government. You'd think government would be the most disability-friendly >> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >> > >> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >> >fact >> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe string >> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >> >with >> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices >> >at >> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for >> >an >> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >> these >> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >> >next >> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to provide >> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do >> >not >> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >> > >> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >> >compelling >> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >> post >> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >> >that >> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >> >left >> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly unemployed, >> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >> >frustration it conjures. >> > >> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help >> >you >> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >> >suit >> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >> have >> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >> >references >> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs >> >on >> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >> >jobs >> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is an >> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >> >government >> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >> that's >> >economics. >> > >> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >> >own >> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >> > >> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >> >disservice >> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >> hard >> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >> position. >> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >> >Never >> >again. >> > >> >Joe >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >> >list >> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >> > >> >Joe: >> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are >> >not >> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >> >working >> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships >> >do >> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >> >should >> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very flawed. >> You >> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >> >economy, >> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >> >who >> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >> >hurtles >> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting about >> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs (even >> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >> >applying >> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal resources. >> > >> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >> > > Tyler, >> > > >> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is >> > > a >> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not belittling >> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >> > > which >> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where >> > > service >> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >> > > You'll >> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick up >> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >> > > drop >> >out from under you. >> > > >> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >> > > >> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >> > > more >> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy is >> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >> > > better. >> > > >> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with >> > > a >> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow grease >> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >> >organization we have today. >> > > >> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >> > > sincerity. >> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement and >> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >> confused >> >by your logic. >> > > >> > > Bridgit, >> > > >> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would be >> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I think >> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether the >> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to easily >> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be a >> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >> suited >> >for my skills than others. >> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, and >> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration of >> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet >> > > of >> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get >> > > the >> >work done. >> > > >> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >> > > education >> >program. >> > > >> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >> > > going >> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if the >> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >> > > being >> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >> > > >> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >> > > others >> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every employer >> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >> > > >> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. There >> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >> > > listen >> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >> > > the >> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the dumps >> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >> > > >> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >> > > separating >> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >> > > makes >> >you better. >> > > >> > > To your success, >> > > >> > > Joe >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > _______________________________________________ >> > > nabs-l mailing list >> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >nabs-l: >> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >> > > com >> > >> > >> >-- >> >Take care, >> >Ty >> >http://tds-solutions.net >> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >> that >> >dares not reason is a slave. >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >nabs-l mailing list >> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jan 21 00:59:22 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 19:59:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access Message-ID: <09AB7E7F9B814C408CBA4A08E3104863@OwnerPC> Hi all, I’m having to use blackboard and the layout changes; I mean it looks different than last year. Are you able to submit assignments? I’m having trouble because when I click on the button to attach a file, it either says this assignment is blank and no file is attached, or it says something about using a button above it. Based on what I hear with jaws, it would seem, I’m clicking on the right button. Also, are you all able to use the discussion board? how about taking online quizzes? I noticed one semester a few years ago, the discussion board was not very usable because jaws was skipping over some buttons. Thanks. Ashley From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 01:19:43 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 17:19:43 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! Message-ID: Dear Members, My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS). NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, Education, and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist for the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind student’s experiences with higher education. We are contacting you because we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district in the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Along with the ways you can help listed below, submitting your story by Wednesday, January 22 will insure that your story will make an appearance at the Washington Seminar appointment with your district! In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for electronic instructional materials and related information technologies used by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide guidelines for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions of higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And that’s where you come in! We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility guidelines would/would have helped you. Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com. Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in a different congressional district from the district in which you go to school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it up here. http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the next page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are listed like this. Zip code: 98121 is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, and you can call your congressperson’s office and tell your story. This will show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly affected by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very important as members of congress work for their constituents! Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment with your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact them on your own! Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent students that you know! Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at LMcLarney at nfb.org. We look forward to receiving your stories! Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 01:22:04 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 18:22:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> Message-ID: I agree with all the points made here so far. Of course the experiences we as blind people have had as a group pale in comparison to the collective experiences of blacks in America, or countless other ethnic groups throughout the world who have been subject to genocides, slavery and other forms of dehumanizing treatment. However, I do think that on the one-on-one level, in interactions between a single blind person and a single sighted person, the experience on both sides is quite similar to people's experiences in interracial interactions. When somebody sees my cane and immediately makes assumptions about my abilities, my intelligence, my personality, etc. without speaking to me, I imagine that experience is quite similar to that of being judged by racial stereotypes just because of one's skin color. On the other side, too, members of majority groups, and sighted people, are often concerned about how to treat us right, and sometimes they worry so much that they come across as being more prejudiced. Dr. King's speeches have resonated with me since I was a young child because I could always relate to the aversive sense of being pre-judged by my appearance and not the content of my character. Arielle On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, > discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and comment > > on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, was a > > bit evil. > > Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and > respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in society > and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for granted > the strides of integration he made now. > > I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement of > Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. > People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on being > > blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. > > I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly changing > what it means to be blind. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Principato > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & > HisView of the U.S. Economy > > I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader > context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of defacto > > discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that > it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black > Americans back in the 60's. > > -Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: >> >> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in >> America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what >> ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that >> >> he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America >> primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read >> >> the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. >> >> At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>> similar >>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >>> that >>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>> discrimination >>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>> would >>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>> employment >>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>> policies >>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >>> And >>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >>> same >>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>> to >>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>> done. >>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>> that >>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>> the >>> struggles of our African-American peers. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -- >>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>> >>> Visit my blog: >>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >>> His >>> View of the U.S. Economy >>> >>> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >>> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >>> >>> >>> you are always telling us to >>> >>> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every >>> day. >>> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >>> said, >>> >>> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >>> association >>> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the >>> Negro >>> >>> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >>> thousands >>> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking >>> >>> ads >>> >>> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >>> Breadbasket. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >>> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >>> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >>> >>> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >>> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >>> governmental employment and private industry. And while >>> >>> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >>> to commend the men who have been working with it >>> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >>> >>> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >>> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >>> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >>> >>> But here is the story that's not printed in the >>> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >>> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >>> >>> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >>> Negro community every year. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >>> gone national in the sense that we had a national >>> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >>> >>> program, which you will hear more about. >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >>> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >>> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >>> >>> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >>> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >>> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >>> [applause], >>> >>> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >>> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >>> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >>> >>> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >>> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >>> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions >>> throughout. >>> >>> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >>> three years, we can build right here in the South >>> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >>> >>> and with millions and millions of dollars in >>> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now there are many other things that I could tell >>> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >>> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >>> >>> of which we can all be proud. >>> >>> >>> >>> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >>> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >>> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >>> >>> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >>> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >>> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >>> >>> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >>> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >>> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >>> >>> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >>> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >>> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >>> >>> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >>> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >>> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >>> >>> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >>> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >>> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >>> >>> America as a significant nation in international >>> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >>> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >>> >>> the richest, most powerful society in the history >>> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> And so we still have a long, long way to go >>> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >>> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >>> >>> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >>> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >>> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >>> >>> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >>> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >>> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >>> >>> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >>> village of America that revolution is still at >>> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >>> >>> need some North Star to guide us into a future >>> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >>> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >>> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >>> >>> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >>> and representation declared that the Negro was >>> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >>> >>> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >>> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >>> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >>> >>> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >>> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >>> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >>> >>> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >>> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >>> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >>> >>> that of whites; and there are twice as many >>> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >>> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> In other spheres, the figures are equally >>> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >>> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >>> >>> receive substantially less money per student than >>> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >>> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >>> >>> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >>> >>> >>> >>> Where do we go from here? First, we must >>> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >>> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >>> >>> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >>> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >>> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >>> >>> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >>> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >>> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >>> >>> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >>> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >>> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >>> >>> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >>> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >>> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >>> >>> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >>> has suggested that maybe the English language >>> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >>> >>> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >>> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >>> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >>> >>> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >>> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >>> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >>> >>> personhood is as old as the earliest history >>> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >>> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >>> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >>> >>> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >>> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >>> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >>> >>> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >>> weapon against the long night of physical >>> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >>> >>> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >>> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >>> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >>> >>> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >>> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >>> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >>> >>> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >>> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >>> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >>> >>> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >>> however painful and exploited that history has >>> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >>> >>> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >>> the people who were so sinful to make me a >>> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >>> >>> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >>> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >>> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >>> >>> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >>> organize our strength in to economic and >>> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >>> >>> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >>> one of the great problems that the Negro >>> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >>> >>> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >>> Negro has been confined to a life of >>> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >>> >>> the right to make decisions concerning his life >>> and destiny he has been subject to the >>> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >>> >>> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >>> created by those who had power, both to confine >>> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >>> >>> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >>> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >>> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >>> >>> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >>> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >>> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >>> >>> required to bring about social, political, and >>> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >>> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >>> >>> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >>> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >>> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >>> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >>> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >>> >>> with power if power is used correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>> You see, what happened is that some of our >>> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >>> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >>> >>> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >>> opposites, so that love is identified with a >>> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >>> >>> this misinterpretation that caused the >>> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >>> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >>> >>> this same misinterpretation which induced >>> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >>> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >>> >>> of love. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >>> needed is a realization that power without love >>> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >>> >>> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >>> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >>> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >>> >>> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >>> this is what we must see as we move on. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >>> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >>> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >>> >>> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >>> Americans to seek their goals through power >>> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >>> >>> today to advocate for Negroes the same >>> destructive and conscienceless power that they >>> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >>> >>> immoral power with powerless morality which >>> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >>> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >>> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >>> >>> the century this proposal would have been greeted >>> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >>> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >>> >>> status was considered the measure of the >>> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >>> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >>> >>> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >>> come a long way in our understanding of human >>> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >>> >>> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >>> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >>> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >>> >>> in constant or frequent unemployment against >>> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >>> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >>> >>> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >>> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >>> does not eliminate all poverty. >>> >>> >>> >>> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >>> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >>> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >>> >>> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >>> position, we need to be concerned that the >>> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >>> >>> that enhance the social good will have to be >>> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >>> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >>> >>> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >>> >>> >>> >>> The fact is that the work which improves the >>> condition of mankind, the work which extends >>> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >>> >>> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >>> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >>> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >>> >>> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >>> work that brings a security for its own sake and >>> a state of society where want is abolished. >>> >>> >>> >>> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >>> and we are likely to find that the problem of >>> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >>> >>> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >>> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >>> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >>> >>> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >>> disability, will have a greater effect on >>> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >>> >>> in their struggle. >>> >>> >>> >>> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >>> psychological changes inevitably will result from >>> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >>> >>> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >>> life are in his own hands, when he has the >>> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >>> >>> knows that he has the means to seek >>> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >>> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >>> >>> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >>> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >>> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >>> >>> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >>> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >>> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >>> >>> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >>> dollars to put God's children on their own two >>> feet right here on earth. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >>> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >>> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >>> >>> justice has been tragically etched in all the >>> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >>> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >>> >>> I want to give the other side. There is something >>> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >>> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >>> >>> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >>> within them, you perceive a desire for >>> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >>> riot and the other riots in various cities >>> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >>> >>> this view always end up with stumbling words when >>> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >>> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >>> >>> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >>> government officials and a few water sprinklers >>> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >>> >>> the food in the prison while the people remain >>> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >>> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >>> >>> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >>> >>> >>> >>> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >>> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >>> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >>> >>> racist state and local governments and they talk >>> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >>> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >>> >>> a government by violence unless the government >>> had already lost the allegiance and effective >>> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >>> >>> that this will not happen in the United States. >>> In a violent racial situation, the power >>> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >>> >>> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >>> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >>> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >>> >>> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >>> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >>> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >>> >>> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >>> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >>> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >>> >>> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >>> the part of American blacks would find no >>> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >>> >>> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >>> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >>> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >>> >>> for change, a tactical program that will bring >>> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >>> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >>> >>> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >>> this we will end up with solutions that don't >>> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >>> >>> explain. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >>> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >>> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >>> >>> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >>> country. >>> >>> >>> >>> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >>> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >>> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >>> >>> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >>> can never advocate violence. For through violence >>> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >>> >>> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >>> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >>> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >>> >>> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >>> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >>> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >>> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >>> >>> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >>> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >>> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >>> >>> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >>> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >>> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >>> >>> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >>> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >>> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >>> >>> every time I see it, I know that it does >>> something to their faces and their personalities, >>> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >>> >>> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >>> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >>> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >>> >>> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >>> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >>> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >>> >>> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >>> >>> >>> >>> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >>> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >>> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >>> >>> speech; but if you have not love, it means >>> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >>> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >>> >>> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >>> molecules (All right); you may break into the >>> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >>> >>> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >>> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >>> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >>> >>> of learning and the boundless extent of your >>> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >>> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >>> >>> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >>> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >>> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >>> >>> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >>> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >>> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >>> >>> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >>> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >>> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >>> >>> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >>> that a man may be self-centered in his >>> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >>> >>> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >>> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >>> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >>> >>> >>> >>> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >>> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >>> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >>> >>> address itself to the question of restructuring >>> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >>> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >>> >>> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >>> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >>> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >>> >>> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >>> When you ask that question, you begin to question >>> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >>> >>> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >>> questions about the whole society. We are called >>> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >>> >>> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >>> edifice which produces beggars needs >>> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >>> >>> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >>> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >>> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >>> >>> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >>> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >>> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >>> >>> that must be said. (All right) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >>> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >>> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >>> >>> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >>> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >>> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >>> >>> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >>> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >>> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >>> >>> but he left out his idealism and his >>> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >>> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >>> >>> it into a system that he called "dialectical >>> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >>> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >>> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >>> >>> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >>> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >>> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >>> >>> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >>> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >>> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >>> >>> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >>> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >>> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >>> >>> evils that are interrelated. >>> >>> >>> >>> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >>> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >>> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >>> >>> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >>> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >>> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >>> >>> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >>> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >>> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >>> >>> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >>> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >>> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >>> >>> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >>> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >>> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >>> >>> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >>> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >>> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >>> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >>> >>> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >>> will exploit them and poor people generally >>> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >>> >>> will have to have foreign investments and >>> everything else, and it will have to use its >>> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. >>> >>> (Yes) [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >>> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >>> (Oh >>> yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >>> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >>> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >>> right) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >>> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >>> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >>> >>> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >>> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >>> security. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >>> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >>> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >>> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >>> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >>> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >>> participate in the beauty of diversity. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >>> women, however black they may be, will be judged >>> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >>> >>> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >>> [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >>> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >>> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >>> >>> with his God. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >>> every city hall, justice will roll down like >>> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >>> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >>> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >>> >>> tree, and none shall be afraid. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >>> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >>> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >>> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >>> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >>> >>> power and human power. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >>> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >>> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >>> >>> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >>> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >>> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >>> >>> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >>> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >>> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >>> >>> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >>> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >>> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >>> >>> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >>> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >>> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >>> >>> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >>> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >>> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >>> >>> Johnson (Yes): >>> >>> >>> >>> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >>> >>> Bitter the chastening rod >>> >>> Felt in the days >>> >>> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >>> >>> Yet with a steady beat, >>> >>> Have not our weary feet >>> >>> Come to the place >>> >>> For which our fathers sighed? >>> >>> We have come over a way >>> >>> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >>> >>> We have come treading our paths >>> >>> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >>> >>> Out from the gloomy past, >>> >>> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >>> >>> Where the bright gleam >>> >>> Of our bright star is cast. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >>> It will give us the courage to face the >>> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >>> >>> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >>> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >>> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >>> >>> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >>> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >>> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >>> >>> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >>> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >>> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >>> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >>> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >>> >>> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >>> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >>> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >>> >>> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >>> for the future, and with this faith we will be >>> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >>> >>> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >>> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >>> [applause] >>> >>> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>> >Tyler, >>> > >>> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >>> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward >>> > to >>> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >>> took >>> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >>> >every >>> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck >>> > >>> >in >>> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >>> >government. You'd think government would be the most >>> > disability-friendly >>> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >>> > >>> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >>> >fact >>> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe >>> > string >>> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >>> >with >>> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices >>> >at >>> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for >>> > >>> >an >>> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >>> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >>> these >>> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >>> >next >>> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to >>> > provide >>> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do >>> >not >>> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >>> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >>> > >>> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >>> >compelling >>> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >>> post >>> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >>> >that >>> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >>> >left >>> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly >>> > unemployed, >>> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>> >frustration it conjures. >>> > >>> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help >>> > >>> >you >>> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >>> >suit >>> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >>> have >>> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >>> >references >>> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs >>> >on >>> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >>> >jobs >>> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is >>> > an >>> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >>> >government >>> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >>> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >>> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >>> that's >>> >economics. >>> > >>> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >>> >own >>> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >>> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >>> > >>> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >>> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >>> >disservice >>> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >>> hard >>> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >>> position. >>> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >>> >Never >>> >again. >>> > >>> >Joe >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> >list >>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >>> > >>> >Joe: >>> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are >>> >not >>> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >>> >working >>> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships >>> >do >>> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >>> >should >>> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very >>> > flawed. >>> You >>> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >>> >economy, >>> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >>> >who >>> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >>> >hurtles >>> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >>> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting >>> > about >>> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs >>> > (even >>> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >>> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >>> >applying >>> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal >>> > resources. >>> > >>> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>> > > Tyler, >>> > > >>> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is >>> > > >>> > > a >>> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not >>> > > belittling >>> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >>> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >>> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >>> > > which >>> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where >>> > > service >>> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >>> > > You'll >>> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >>> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >>> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick >>> > > up >>> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >>> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >>> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >>> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >>> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >>> > > drop >>> >out from under you. >>> > > >>> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >>> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >>> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >>> > > >>> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >>> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >>> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >>> > > more >>> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >>> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >>> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy >>> > > is >>> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >>> > > better. >>> > > >>> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >>> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with >>> > > >>> > > a >>> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >>> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >>> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow >>> > > grease >>> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >>> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >>> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>> >organization we have today. >>> > > >>> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >>> > > sincerity. >>> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement >>> > > and >>> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >>> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >>> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >>> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >>> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >>> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >>> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >>> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >>> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >>> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >>> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >>> confused >>> >by your logic. >>> > > >>> > > Bridgit, >>> > > >>> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would >>> > > be >>> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I >>> > > think >>> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether >>> > > the >>> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >>> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to >>> > > easily >>> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be >>> > > a >>> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >>> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >>> suited >>> >for my skills than others. >>> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, >>> > > and >>> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration >>> > > of >>> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet >>> > > of >>> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >>> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >>> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get >>> > > >>> > > the >>> >work done. >>> > > >>> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >>> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >>> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >>> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >>> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >>> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >>> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >>> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >>> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >>> > > education >>> >program. >>> > > >>> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >>> > > going >>> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >>> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >>> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if >>> > > the >>> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >>> > > being >>> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >>> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >>> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >>> > > >>> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >>> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >>> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >>> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >>> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >>> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >>> > > others >>> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every >>> > > employer >>> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >>> > > >>> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. >>> > > There >>> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >>> > > listen >>> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >>> > > the >>> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >>> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >>> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the >>> > > dumps >>> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >>> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >>> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >>> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >>> > > >>> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >>> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >>> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >>> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >>> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >>> > > separating >>> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >>> > > makes >>> >you better. >>> > > >>> > > To your success, >>> > > >>> > > Joe >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > > for >>> >nabs-l: >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>> > > com >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >Take care, >>> >Ty >>> >http://tds-solutions.net >>> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that >>> >dares not reason is a slave. >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >nabs-l mailing list >>> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 04:09:17 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:09:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access In-Reply-To: <09AB7E7F9B814C408CBA4A08E3104863@OwnerPC> References: <09AB7E7F9B814C408CBA4A08E3104863@OwnerPC> Message-ID: Hi Ashley, All the features you mentioned are perfectly accessible. I use them on a daily basis for my assignments, except for the quizzes since my professors only give those in class. I'm not sure if it's a bug with jaws or what, but sometimes I have to click the browse buttons a few times in quick succession in order for it to bring up the browse for file dialogue box for me to attach a file. Also, the discussion board is a little clunky, but if you just explore the page, you can definitely participate in the conversations. Blackboard works best with firefox. Minh On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I’m having to use blackboard and the layout changes; I mean it looks > different than last year. > > Are you able to submit assignments? I’m having trouble because when I click > on the button to attach a file, it either says this assignment is blank and > no file is attached, or it says something about using a button above it. > Based on what I hear with jaws, it would seem, I’m clicking on the right > button. > > Also, are you all able to use the discussion board? how about taking online > quizzes? I noticed one semester a few years ago, the discussion board was > not very usable because jaws was skipping over some buttons. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 04:57:10 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 23:57:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] blackboard access In-Reply-To: References: <09AB7E7F9B814C408CBA4A08E3104863@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <003101cf1665$3e683b40$bb38b1c0$@gmail.com> I am having no problems with blackboard. If there is anything I can do to assist you, then I would be happy to do so. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 11:09 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] blackboard access Hi Ashley, All the features you mentioned are perfectly accessible. I use them on a daily basis for my assignments, except for the quizzes since my professors only give those in class. I'm not sure if it's a bug with jaws or what, but sometimes I have to click the browse buttons a few times in quick succession in order for it to bring up the browse for file dialogue box for me to attach a file. Also, the discussion board is a little clunky, but if you just explore the page, you can definitely participate in the conversations. Blackboard works best with firefox. Minh On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm having to use blackboard and the layout changes; I mean it looks > different than last year. > > Are you able to submit assignments? I'm having trouble because when I > click on the button to attach a file, it either says this assignment > is blank and no file is attached, or it says something about using a button above it. > Based on what I hear with jaws, it would seem, I'm clicking on the > right button. > > Also, are you all able to use the discussion board? how about taking > online quizzes? I noticed one semester a few years ago, the discussion > board was not very usable because jaws was skipping over some buttons. > > Thanks. > > Ashley > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail > .com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 05:05:14 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:05:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <005901cf1666$5edb9d80$1c92d880$@gmail.com> When do you need it by? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:20 PM To: National Asociation of Blind Students Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! Dear Members, My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS). NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, Education, and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist for the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind student's experiences with higher education. We are contacting you because we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district in the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Along with the ways you can help listed below, submitting your story by Wednesday, January 22 will insure that your story will make an appearance at the Washington Seminar appointment with your district! In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for electronic instructional materials and related information technologies used by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide guidelines for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions of higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And that's where you come in! We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility guidelines would/would have helped you. Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com. Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in a different congressional district from the district in which you go to school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it up here. http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the next page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are listed like this. Zip code: 98121 is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, and you can call your congressperson's office and tell your story. This will show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly affected by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very important as members of congress work for their constituents! Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment with your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact them on your own! Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent students that you know! Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at LMcLarney at nfb.org. We look forward to receiving your stories! Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kathrynwebster at me.com Tue Jan 21 05:19:46 2014 From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:19:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! In-Reply-To: <005901cf1666$5edb9d80$1c92d880$@gmail.com> References: <005901cf1666$5edb9d80$1c92d880$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <99E60919-FADE-4764-BFC8-2FD9670506E0@me.com> January 22, this Wednesday Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2014, at 12:05 AM, justin williams wrote: > > When do you need it by? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:20 PM > To: National Asociation of Blind Students > Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College > for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! > > Dear Members, > > My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the > National Association of Blind Students (NABS). > > NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, Education, > and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am > currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist for > the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind > student's experiences with higher education. We are contacting you because > we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district in > the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Along with the ways you > can help listed below, submitting your story by Wednesday, January 22 will > insure that your story will make an appearance at the Washington Seminar > appointment with your district! > > In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for > electronic instructional materials and related information technologies used > by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide guidelines > for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions of > higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. > Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act > (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. > https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. > > Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And that's > where you come in! > > We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been > affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be > through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate > accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility > guidelines would/would have helped you. > > Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com. > Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional > districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in a > different congressional district from the district in which you go to > school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it up > here. > http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ > There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the next > page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are listed > like this. > > Zip code: 98121 > is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. > > The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and > other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with > your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, > and you can call your congressperson's office and tell your story. This will > show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly affected > by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very > important as members of congress work for their constituents! > > Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment with > your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact > them on your own! > > Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent > students that you know! > > Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any > questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at > LMcLarney at nfb.org. > > We look forward to receiving your stories! > > Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 05:43:50 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2014 21:43:50 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in College for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! In-Reply-To: <99E60919-FADE-4764-BFC8-2FD9670506E0@me.com> References: <005901cf1666$5edb9d80$1c92d880$@gmail.com> <99E60919-FADE-4764-BFC8-2FD9670506E0@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Justin, for the stories to be used at Washington Seminar appointments, I need them by this Wednesday, Jan. 22. I will however, never say no to a story. after Washington Seminar, they will be used to reinforce appointments that NFB staff have with our congresspeople. All year they rely on our remote support such as our calls, emails, and in this case, letters, to show that constituents need legislation. The goal is that Lauren McLarney will use these stories and we will contact people before staff appointments so the constituent can call their rep and mention the appointment, their story, and that they support the TEACH Act. This will further reinforce the authenticity of the story during the appointment. Cindy On 1/20/14, Kathryn Webster wrote: > January 22, this Wednesday > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 12:05 AM, justin williams >> wrote: >> >> When do you need it by? >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy >> Bennett >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 8:20 PM >> To: National Asociation of Blind Students >> Subject: [nabs-l] Write About Your Experiences of Inaccessibility in >> College >> for Washington Seminar by Weds, Jan. 22! >> >> Dear Members, >> >> My name is Cindy Bennett. I am an NFB member and the secretary of the >> National Association of Blind Students (NABS). >> >> NABS is excited to help with the recently introduced Technology, >> Education, >> and Accessibility in College and Higher Education (TEACH) act. I am >> currently working with Lauren McLarney, a Government Affairs Specialist >> for >> the National Federation of the Blind, to collect stories about blind >> student's experiences with higher education. We are contacting you >> because >> we want stories from constituents living in every congressional district >> in >> the U.S., and we can only do this with your help! Along with the ways you >> can help listed below, submitting your story by Wednesday, January 22 >> will >> insure that your story will make an appearance at the Washington Seminar >> appointment with your district! >> >> In summary, the TEACH Act will create accessibility guidelines for >> electronic instructional materials and related information technologies >> used >> by institutions of higher education. The TEACH Act will provide >> guidelines >> for manufacturers of educational technology and clarity for institutions >> of >> higher education to ensure that materials are usable by all students. >> Earlier this year, Congressman Tom Petri (R-WI) introduced the TEACH Act >> (H.R. 3505). Click here to learn more about the TEACH Act. >> https://nfb.org/images/nfb/documents/word/2013%20teach%20fact%20sheet.doc. >> >> Now that the bill has been introduced, we need to get it passed! And >> that's >> where you come in! >> >> We need stories from current and recent students who are and have been >> affected by the lack of accessibility in the classroom, whether it be >> through inaccessible software, lack of materials, or late or inadequate >> accessible materials. Be sure to include a sentence of how accessibility >> guidelines would/would have helped you. >> >> Compose your paragraph-long story and send it to me at clb5590 at gmail.com. >> Please include the school you attend/attended, and any congressional >> districts that you live in. for example, if your permanent address is in >> a >> different congressional district from the district in which you go to >> school, list both. If you do not know this information, you can look it >> up >> here. >> http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/ >> There is a simple edit field where you can enter your zip code. On the >> next >> page, your zip code and the number district in which you reside are >> listed >> like this. >> >> Zip code: 98121 >> is located in the 7th Congressional district of Washington. >> >> The second way you can help is by reinforcing the appointments Lauren and >> other NFB members have with congress. If someone has an appointment with >> your congressperson, I will contact you with the date of the appointment, >> and you can call your congressperson's office and tell your story. This >> will >> show your congressperson that one of their constituents is directly >> affected >> by inadequate accessibility and needs the TEACH Act. This part is very >> important as members of congress work for their constituents! >> >> Of course, you do not have to wait for someone to have an appointment >> with >> your representative or senators; we encourage you to go ahead and contact >> them on your own! >> >> Please pass this announcement on to all of the blind current and recent >> students that you know! >> >> Finally, please feel free to contact me or Lauren McLarney with any >> questions. you can reach me at clb5590 at gmail.com, and Lauren at >> LMcLarney at nfb.org. >> >> We look forward to receiving your stories! >> >> Cindy Bennett and Lauren McLarney >> >> >> -- >> Cindy Bennett >> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students >> >> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington >> clb5590 at gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 21 18:57:47 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:57:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative Message-ID: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> Hi, Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to use time trying to figure it out. Sincerely, Mikayla Sent from my iPad From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 19:57:36 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:57:36 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative In-Reply-To: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> References: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> Message-ID: I've never used it before, but I'd be more than happy to take a look at it for you and tell you how to use it, if you want. I can't do it right this second, but later this evening or tomorrow, I should have some time. Ryan On 1/21/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes on it, > my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to use time > trying to figure it out. > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 20:10:58 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:10:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative In-Reply-To: References: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> Message-ID: <011401cf16e4$e6d72e10$b4858a30$@gmail.com> I would as well if you need me to; I have never used it before, but I would be willing to help. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative I've never used it before, but I'd be more than happy to take a look at it for you and tell you how to use it, if you want. I can't do it right this second, but later this evening or tomorrow, I should have some time. Ryan On 1/21/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes > on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to > use time trying to figure it out. > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 > gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 20:15:04 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 13:15:04 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative In-Reply-To: <011401cf16e4$e6d72e10$b4858a30$@gmail.com> References: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> <011401cf16e4$e6d72e10$b4858a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Me as well, let me know if there is anything I can do. Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. 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If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams Sent: 21 January 2014 13:11 To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative I would as well if you need me to; I have never used it before, but I would be willing to help. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative I've never used it before, but I'd be more than happy to take a look at it for you and tell you how to use it, if you want. I can't do it right this second, but later this evening or tomorrow, I should have some time. Ryan On 1/21/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Hi, > Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes > on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to > use time trying to figure it out. > Sincerely, > Mikayla > > Sent from my iPad > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 > gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From mikgephart at icloud.com Tue Jan 21 20:15:35 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:15:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative In-Reply-To: <011401cf16e4$e6d72e10$b4858a30$@gmail.com> References: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> <011401cf16e4$e6d72e10$b4858a30$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thank you. We do not use it much, but I will lett you know if I need help. Sent from my iPad On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:10 PM, justin williams wrote: > I would as well if you need me to; I have never used it before, but I would > be willing to help. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 2:58 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative > > I've never used it before, but I'd be more than happy to take a look at it > for you and tell you how to use it, if you want. I can't do it right this > second, but later this evening or tomorrow, I should have some time. > > Ryan > > On 1/21/14, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> Hi, >> Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes >> on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to >> use time trying to figure it out. >> Sincerely, >> Mikayla >> >> Sent from my iPad >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 >> gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From steve.jacobson at visi.com Tue Jan 21 21:37:44 2014 From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:37:44 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy Message-ID: Joe, It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday to consider what African-Americans have endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when the parallels between what we have experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of African-Americans. To that extent, I agree with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided," also seems extreme. There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind persons and those experienced by other mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The motivations are different for one thing as you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The fact that we have a sort of safety net that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a blind person in the United States would be left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or she new which services might be available. Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are remotely similar seems to ignore some of our history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed from their care simply because everyone knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense of what it feels like to at least not be seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old daughter and her friend to an amusement park was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend because they required that he have a responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being more than four feet or so tall without age limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with their mother and father to take care of them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the airlines force the stranger sitting next to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential employer tell me that they would not hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to bring me too and from the bathroom. While we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person refused to give me directions to the stairs because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. Ask someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for which he worked tested his speed to calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only as soon as he arrived or just before quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another friend of mine how it felt to be denied a teaching position because the school district required a specific level of vision. Ask the numerous blind people who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service jobs because they were blind, how they felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a protest over a policy that required blind people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" seats on busses. He remarked that he never thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the bus. He understood that it is as wrong to tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is to assign them to the back of the bus even if the motives were different. We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with technology are very important to keep us from sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not all of the same significance, and it is right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I have really just scratched the surface above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How many other situations go unnoticed or unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have fought, nor are they of the nature of the battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to take some care as to how we draw parallels. Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often brings chills and even tears. He exhibited so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news coverage of the demonstrations when the Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it made Dr. King's dream seem real to me even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face those struggles. But I also found his words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having their kids taken away or having the deck stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being eliminated from consideration for a job because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. King would understand that deciding for someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone else's perceived sense of safety is at least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit at the back of the bus because of their race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being required to use a particular drinking fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has decided the stairs were not safe. Are these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, but I maintain that they are "remotely similar" to use your words. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >struggles of our African-American peers. >Joe >-- >Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >Visit my blog: >http://joeorozco.com/blog From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 22:23:27 2014 From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie Principato) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:23:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <90A01165-8E5E-46A7-8F6E-2BFA02A051F9@gmail.com> Very well said! I have had a number of these experiences myself, and have seen, firsthand, many of my peers deal with the same sorts of discrimination. Once, my partner and I were made to get off a bus and walk to our destination because we refused to sit in the front and force a young man with a broken ankle to give up his seat to us and stand in the back. I was once denied service at a restaurant I visited with a group of blind friends because they had no Braille menu, and when asked if we had a sighted chaperone in our party, we said no. (We were totally capable of using the online menu via smartphones). I was recently not only denied a job at an ice cream shop due to the manager's assertion that the job would be too demanding for me and they didn't have the staff she believed were needed to train and assist me. She dismissed me almost instantly and wouldn't even take my resume. I've been told by more than one institution to go to another school that caters more to the needs of people like me. I've been physically prevented from using escalators, stairways and moving sidewalks, and even expected to forfeit my freedom to walk freely by sitting in a wheelchair at airports, when all I ever ask for is brief directions to security lines. And the list goes on. The problem with this kind of discrimination, and the reason some may shy away from even labeling it as such, is that it's often done out of a combination of ignorance and concern for safety/liability, rather than malice, but the actions are still discriminatory and result in many among us having to endure treatment that is, in fact, subhuman (I.e. Less than adult human of average cognitive ability). Jamie Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:37 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > > Joe, > > It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday to consider what African-Americans have > endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when the parallels between what we have > experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of African-Americans. To that extent, I agree > with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective > blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided," also seems extreme. > > There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind persons and those experienced by other > mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The motivations are different for one thing as > you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The fact that we have a sort of safety net > that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a blind person in the United States would be > left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or > she new which services might be available. > > Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are remotely similar seems to ignore some of our > history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed from their care simply because everyone > knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense of what it feels like to at least not be > seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old daughter and her friend to an amusement park > was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend because they required that he have a > responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being more than four feet or so tall without age > limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last > summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with their mother and father to take care of > them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the airlines force the stranger sitting next > to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential employer tell me that they would not > hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to bring me too and from the bathroom. While > we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person refused to give me directions to the stairs > because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. Ask > someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for which he worked tested his speed to > calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only as soon as he arrived or just before > quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another friend of mine how it felt to be denied a > teaching position because the school district required a specific level of vision. Ask the numerous blind people > who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service jobs because they were blind, how they > felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a protest over a policy that required blind > people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" seats on busses. He remarked that he never > thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the bus. He understood that it is as wrong to > tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is to assign them to the back of the bus > even if the motives were different. > > We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with technology are very important to keep us from > sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not all of the same significance, and it is > right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I have really just scratched the surface > above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How many other situations go unnoticed or > unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have fought, nor are they of the nature of the > battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to > take some care as to how we draw parallels. > > Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often brings chills and even tears. He exhibited > so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news coverage of the demonstrations when the > Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it made Dr. King's dream seem real to me > even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face those struggles. But I also found his > words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having their kids taken away or having the deck > stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being eliminated from consideration for a job > because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. King would understand that deciding for > someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone else's perceived sense of safety is at > least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit at the back of the bus because of their > race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being required to use a particular drinking > fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has decided the stairs were not safe. Are > these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, but I maintain that they are "remotely > similar" to use your words. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >> >> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >> struggles of our African-American peers. > >> Joe > >> -- >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > >> Visit my blog: >> http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 22:32:30 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:32:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy References: <90A01165-8E5E-46A7-8F6E-2BFA02A051F9@gmail.com> Message-ID: People think we are stupid. Jamie, I've been preaching since 2005, without any problem. However, when applying for a pastoral job, the church told me flat out that my being blind posed a risk. Even though other churches in my area had already told this church what I was able to do, they denied me on that basis alone. Needless to say, my pastor was not happy. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jamie Principato" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:23 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy > Very well said! I have had a number of these experiences myself, and have > seen, firsthand, many of my peers deal with the same sorts of > discrimination. Once, my partner and I were made to get off a bus and walk > to our destination because we refused to sit in the front and force a > young man with a broken ankle to give up his seat to us and stand in the > back. I was once denied service at a restaurant I visited with a group of > blind friends because they had no Braille menu, and when asked if we had a > sighted chaperone in our party, we said no. (We were totally capable of > using the online menu via smartphones). I was recently not only denied a > job at an ice cream shop due to the manager's assertion that the job would > be too demanding for me and they didn't have the staff she believed were > needed to train and assist me. She dismissed me almost instantly and > wouldn't even take my resume. I've been told by more than one institution > to go to another school that caters more to the needs of people like me. > I've been physically prevented from using escalators, stairways and moving > sidewalks, and even expected to forfeit my freedom to walk freely by > sitting in a wheelchair at airports, when all I ever ask for is brief > directions to security lines. And the list goes on. The problem with this > kind of discrimination, and the reason some may shy away from even > labeling it as such, is that it's often done out of a combination of > ignorance and concern for safety/liability, rather than malice, but the > actions are still discriminatory and result in many among us having to > endure treatment that is, in fact, subhuman (I.e. Less than adult human of > average cognitive ability). > > Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 21, 2014, at 2:37 PM, "Steve Jacobson" >> wrote: >> >> Joe, >> >> It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday >> to consider what African-Americans have >> endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when >> the parallels between what we have >> experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of >> African-Americans. To that extent, I agree >> with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who >> thinks the struggles of the collective >> blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is >> severely misguided," also seems extreme. >> >> There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind >> persons and those experienced by other >> mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The >> motivations are different for one thing as >> you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The >> fact that we have a sort of safety net >> that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a >> blind person in the United States would be >> left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or >> she new which services might be available. >> >> Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are >> remotely similar seems to ignore some of our >> history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed >> from their care simply because everyone >> knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense >> of what it feels like to at least not be >> seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old >> daughter and her friend to an amusement park >> was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend >> because they required that he have a >> responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being >> more than four feet or so tall without age >> limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened >> twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last >> summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with >> their mother and father to take care of >> them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the >> airlines force the stranger sitting next >> to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential >> employer tell me that they would not >> hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to >> bring me too and from the bathroom. While >> we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person >> refused to give me directions to the stairs >> because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. >> Ask >> someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for >> which he worked tested his speed to >> calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only >> as soon as he arrived or just before >> quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another >> friend of mine how it felt to be denied a >> teaching position because the school district required a specific level >> of vision. Ask the numerous blind people >> who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service >> jobs because they were blind, how they >> felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a >> protest over a policy that required blind >> people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" >> seats on busses. He remarked that he never >> thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the >> bus. He understood that it is as wrong to >> tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is >> to assign them to the back of the bus >> even if the motives were different. >> >> We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with >> technology are very important to keep us from >> sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not >> all of the same significance, and it is >> right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I >> have really just scratched the surface >> above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How >> many other situations go unnoticed or >> unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have >> fought, nor are they of the nature of the >> battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to >> take some care as to how we draw parallels. >> >> Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often >> brings chills and even tears. He exhibited >> so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news >> coverage of the demonstrations when the >> Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it >> made Dr. King's dream seem real to me >> even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face >> those struggles. But I also found his >> words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having >> their kids taken away or having the deck >> stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being >> eliminated from consideration for a job >> because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. >> King would understand that deciding for >> someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone >> else's perceived sense of safety is at >> least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit >> at the back of the bus because of their >> race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being >> required to use a particular drinking >> fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has >> decided the stairs were not safe. Are >> these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, >> but I maintain that they are "remotely >> similar" to use your words. >> >> Best regards, >> >> Steve Jacobson >> >>> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >>> >>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>> similar >>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >>> that >>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>> discrimination >>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>> would >>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>> employment >>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>> policies >>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >>> And >>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >>> same >>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>> to >>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>> done. >>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>> that >>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>> the >>> struggles of our African-American peers. >> >>> Joe >> >>> -- >>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >>> Visit my blog: >>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Tue Jan 21 23:03:16 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 15:03:16 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Volunteers Needed for Washington Seminar Message-ID: <222DA63A-AA95-42E0-B344-9A8A124B20E0@gmail.com> Greetings fellow NABS-ters and future Washington seminarians! NABS is looking for folks who will be in DC on monday and would be willing to volunteer for events we have planned such as NABS Cafe. Should you be someone that fits this description, please contact candice Chapman at chapman.candicel at gmail.com. Thanks so much in advance for your help! regards, Darian Darian Smith 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students dsmithnfb at gmail.com www.nabslink.org Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink > > Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further > Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today! > For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Tue Jan 21 23:19:56 2014 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 17:19:56 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <937E1E32-9754-42A1-B20B-EA83E71AB33E@samobile.net> Steve and Joe, And don't forget that it wasn't so long ago when blind people were sterilized because folks thought it would stop the propagation of the blind. More recently, genetic counseling has brought to light some very difficult bioethics issues related to parents choosing not to have potentially disabled children due to misconceptions about disabilities including blindness. Though I haven't heard of any particular cases recently, there is also the issue of late-term abortion due to a disability discovered during a routine prenatal checkup. I would agree that the outcomes of racism versus ablism are definitely different. I would also agree that racism comes more from hate and ablism typically from pity and sometimes discussed. But in both cases, the root emotions are discomfort and fear. I would be willing to go so far as to say that overcoming ablism in society will be harder than racism because it's a difficult thing for someone to realize, let alone a whole society, that something meant for another's well-being is actually harmful. I suspect that's why we are having such a difficult time repealing section 511 of the rehabilitation act. We have mostly been discussing racism and Ablism in this country. Keep in mind that the experience of racism and ablism change when discussing countries outside of the United States. In Europe, especially Great Britain, racism is still ever present, but not as openly discussed. In fact folks are less willing to acknowledge racism against people of African descent over there then they are here. Meanwhile, there are countries in the world where blind people are still abandoned and left to die. Bringing things back to Martin Luther King Jr. I believe that he fought to stop inequality and injustice of any sort regardless of where it happens and to whom. As to his commentary on capitalism, I think he said that capitalism and communism are two extremes and that perhaps the best political system lies somewhere between the two. As a matter of fact, he said that capitalism could be a thesis, communism an antithesis, and said political system the synthesis. I happen to agree, but that's a discussion for another day and a whole other list. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 21, 2014, at 3:37 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > > Joe, > > It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday to consider what African-Americans have > endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when the parallels between what we have > experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of African-Americans. To that extent, I agree > with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective > blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided," also seems extreme. > > There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind persons and those experienced by other > mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The motivations are different for one thing as > you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The fact that we have a sort of safety net > that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a blind person in the United States would be > left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or > she new which services might be available. > > Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are remotely similar seems to ignore some of our > history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed from their care simply because everyone > knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense of what it feels like to at least not be > seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old daughter and her friend to an amusement park > was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend because they required that he have a > responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being more than four feet or so tall without age > limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last > summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with their mother and father to take care of > them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the airlines force the stranger sitting next > to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential employer tell me that they would not > hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to bring me too and from the bathroom. While > we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person refused to give me directions to the stairs > because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. Ask > someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for which he worked tested his speed to > calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only as soon as he arrived or just before > quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another friend of mine how it felt to be denied a > teaching position because the school district required a specific level of vision. Ask the numerous blind people > who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service jobs because they were blind, how they > felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a protest over a policy that required blind > people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" seats on busses. He remarked that he never > thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the bus. He understood that it is as wrong to > tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is to assign them to the back of the bus > even if the motives were different. > > We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with technology are very important to keep us from > sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not all of the same significance, and it is > right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I have really just scratched the surface > above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How many other situations go unnoticed or > unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have fought, nor are they of the nature of the > battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to > take some care as to how we draw parallels. > > Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often brings chills and even tears. He exhibited > so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news coverage of the demonstrations when the > Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it made Dr. King's dream seem real to me > even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face those struggles. But I also found his > words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having their kids taken away or having the deck > stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being eliminated from consideration for a job > because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. King would understand that deciding for > someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone else's perceived sense of safety is at > least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit at the back of the bus because of their > race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being required to use a particular drinking > fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has decided the stairs were not safe. Are > these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, but I maintain that they are "remotely > similar" to use your words. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >> >> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >> struggles of our African-American peers. > >> Joe > >> -- >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > >> Visit my blog: >> http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jan 22 08:42:51 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 02:42:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Next Course Begins Feb 3 Message-ID: > >Subject: Next Course Begins Feb 3 >From: CathyAnne >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:57:43 -0700 >To: "news at blindtraining.com" > >Our online Trainer Certification Course is the only program that >offers in-depth immersions into the mainstream and specialized >programs used by blind and visually-impaired consumers. > >Featuring lifetime support, your training continues beyond >graduation. We have graduates who learned Windows XP and Office 2003 >who are now studying Windows 8.1, Office 2013 and more! > >Our program is the only trainer certification course of it's kind. >We're setting the Standards Others will follow. > >For more information on the Access Technology Trainer Certification >Course, please visit: > >http://www.blindtraining.com/certification/ > >I invite you to contact me with any questions. cathy at blindtraining.com. > >CathyAnne > >CathyAnne Murtha >Director >Access Technology Institute >www.blindtraining.com >Phone: (520) 300-7859 >FAX: (800) 987-6198 >Twitter: AccessTechInst >Facebook: www.facebook.com/blindtraining From dandrews at visi.com Wed Jan 22 09:15:43 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 03:15:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: RE: Blind Industries and Services of Maryland Job Posting Message-ID: > >David, >Can you re-post this job posting for BISM and our Youth Manager >opening please. We are looking to finalize all applicants in the >next two weeks and move forward from there. Your help is greatly appreciated. >Thanks, >Andy McIver >Blind Industries and Services of Maryland >Rehabilitation Department >410-737-2648 > >-----Original Message----- >From: David Andrews [mailto:dandrews at visi.com] >Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 3:28 PM >To: Andy McIver >Subject: Re: Blind Industries and Services of Maryland Job Posting > >Sure- e-mail it to me. > >Dave > >At 10:00 AM 12/17/2013, you wrote: > >David, > > > >My name is Andy McIver and I am trying to put a job posting for a new > >Youth Manager with our company. Do I email you the posting? How would > >I go about broadcasting our position? Any guidance you can give would > >be appreciated. I have attached the posting if it helps. > > > >Thanks, > >Andy > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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The "PDF" document is ideal for printing additional paper copies while the Microsoft Word document provides a means to supply information in electronic form which is generally easier for those using assistive technology such as screen readers. If you have any questions about our scholarship program, please contact the scholarship committee chairperson as follows: Sheila Koenig, State Scholarship Chairperson e-mail: shekoenig at comcast.net or refer to the attached document for additional contact information. Applications for the Minnesota scholarship program must be received no later than April 15. In addition to the two NFB of Minnesota scholarships, our national organization is awarding thirty separate national scholarships with values ranging up to $12,000. One application can be used to apply for all of the national scholarships, but the application for the national scholarships is not part of the attached application for our Minnesota scholarship. The application process for the national and state scholarships are independent; thus, candidates must complete and submit applications separately when applying to both scholarship programs. More information on the national scholarships and the application can be obtained at http://www.nfb.org/scholarships Part of the application process for the national scholarships is to be interviewed by the president of our state organization, Jennifer Dunnam. She can be contacted by e-mail at jennifer.dunnam1829 at gmail.com or reply to this note and I will assist. Unlike our state application, national scholarship applications must be received by March 31. If you wish to learn more about how we are changing what it means to be blind, check out our web site at HTTP://www.NFBMN.ORG Thank you very much for assisting us to reach perspective blind applicants. 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Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> Message-ID: From many of the things I seen, I think things have not gotten better; people, have gotten more crafty at there ways to be discriminatory. For example, government forms, or job applications should not be asking about race, gender or disability. Have a good day. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 20, 2014, at 8:23 PM, "Arielle Silverman" wrote: > > I agree with all the points made here so far. Of course the > experiences we as blind people have had as a group pale in comparison > to the collective experiences of blacks in America, or countless other > ethnic groups throughout the world who have been subject to genocides, > slavery and other forms of dehumanizing treatment. However, I do think > that on the one-on-one level, in interactions between a single blind > person and a single sighted person, the experience on both sides is > quite similar to people's experiences in interracial interactions. > When somebody sees my cane and immediately makes assumptions about my > abilities, my intelligence, my personality, etc. without speaking to > me, I imagine that experience is quite similar to that of being judged > by racial stereotypes just because of one's skin color. On the other > side, too, members of majority groups, and sighted people, are often > concerned about how to treat us right, and sometimes they worry so > much that they come across as being more prejudiced. Dr. King's > speeches have resonated with me since I was a young child because I > could always relate to the aversive sense of being pre-judged by my > appearance and not the content of my character. > > Arielle > >> On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, >> Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, >> discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and comment >> >> on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, was a >> >> bit evil. >> >> Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and >> respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in society >> and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for granted >> the strides of integration he made now. >> >> I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement of >> Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. >> People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on being >> >> blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. >> >> I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly changing >> what it means to be blind. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jamie Principato >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >> HisView of the U.S. Economy >> >> I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader >> context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of defacto >> >> discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that >> it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black >> Americans back in the 60's. >> >> -Jamie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: >>> >>> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in >>> America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what >>> ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is that >>> >>> he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America >>> primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read >>> >>> the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. >>> >>> At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >>>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>>> similar >>>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >>>> that >>>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>>> discrimination >>>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>>> would >>>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>>> employment >>>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >>>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>>> policies >>>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >>>> And >>>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >>>> same >>>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>>> to >>>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >>>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>>> done. >>>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>>> that >>>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>>> the >>>> struggles of our African-American peers. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>> >>>> Visit my blog: >>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >>>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >>>> His >>>> View of the U.S. Economy >>>> >>>> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >>>> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >>>> >>>> >>>> you are always telling us to >>>> >>>> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every >>>> day. >>>> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >>>> said, >>>> >>>> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >>>> association >>>> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the >>>> Negro >>>> >>>> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >>>> thousands >>>> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking >>>> >>>> ads >>>> >>>> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >>>> Breadbasket. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >>>> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >>>> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >>>> >>>> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >>>> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >>>> governmental employment and private industry. And while >>>> >>>> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >>>> to commend the men who have been working with it >>>> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >>>> >>>> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >>>> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >>>> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >>>> >>>> But here is the story that's not printed in the >>>> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >>>> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >>>> >>>> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >>>> Negro community every year. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >>>> gone national in the sense that we had a national >>>> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >>>> >>>> program, which you will hear more about. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >>>> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >>>> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >>>> >>>> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >>>> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >>>> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >>>> [applause], >>>> >>>> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >>>> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >>>> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >>>> >>>> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >>>> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >>>> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions >>>> throughout. >>>> >>>> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >>>> three years, we can build right here in the South >>>> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >>>> >>>> and with millions and millions of dollars in >>>> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now there are many other things that I could tell >>>> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >>>> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >>>> >>>> of which we can all be proud. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >>>> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >>>> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >>>> >>>> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >>>> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >>>> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >>>> >>>> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >>>> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >>>> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >>>> >>>> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >>>> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >>>> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >>>> >>>> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >>>> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >>>> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >>>> >>>> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >>>> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >>>> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >>>> >>>> America as a significant nation in international >>>> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >>>> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >>>> >>>> the richest, most powerful society in the history >>>> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so we still have a long, long way to go >>>> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >>>> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >>>> >>>> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >>>> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >>>> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >>>> >>>> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >>>> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >>>> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >>>> >>>> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >>>> village of America that revolution is still at >>>> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >>>> >>>> need some North Star to guide us into a future >>>> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >>>> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >>>> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >>>> >>>> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >>>> and representation declared that the Negro was >>>> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >>>> >>>> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >>>> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >>>> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >>>> >>>> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >>>> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >>>> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >>>> >>>> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >>>> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >>>> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >>>> >>>> that of whites; and there are twice as many >>>> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >>>> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In other spheres, the figures are equally >>>> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >>>> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >>>> >>>> receive substantially less money per student than >>>> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >>>> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >>>> >>>> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Where do we go from here? First, we must >>>> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >>>> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >>>> >>>> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >>>> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >>>> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >>>> >>>> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >>>> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >>>> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >>>> >>>> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >>>> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >>>> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >>>> >>>> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >>>> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >>>> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >>>> >>>> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >>>> has suggested that maybe the English language >>>> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >>>> >>>> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >>>> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >>>> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >>>> >>>> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >>>> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >>>> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >>>> >>>> personhood is as old as the earliest history >>>> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >>>> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >>>> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >>>> >>>> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >>>> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >>>> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >>>> >>>> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >>>> weapon against the long night of physical >>>> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >>>> >>>> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >>>> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >>>> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >>>> >>>> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >>>> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >>>> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >>>> >>>> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >>>> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >>>> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >>>> >>>> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >>>> however painful and exploited that history has >>>> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >>>> >>>> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >>>> the people who were so sinful to make me a >>>> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >>>> >>>> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >>>> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >>>> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >>>> >>>> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >>>> organize our strength in to economic and >>>> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >>>> >>>> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >>>> one of the great problems that the Negro >>>> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >>>> >>>> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >>>> Negro has been confined to a life of >>>> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >>>> >>>> the right to make decisions concerning his life >>>> and destiny he has been subject to the >>>> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >>>> >>>> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >>>> created by those who had power, both to confine >>>> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >>>> >>>> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >>>> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >>>> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >>>> >>>> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >>>> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >>>> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >>>> >>>> required to bring about social, political, and >>>> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >>>> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >>>> >>>> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >>>> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >>>> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >>>> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >>>> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >>>> >>>> with power if power is used correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You see, what happened is that some of our >>>> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >>>> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >>>> >>>> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >>>> opposites, so that love is identified with a >>>> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >>>> >>>> this misinterpretation that caused the >>>> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >>>> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >>>> >>>> this same misinterpretation which induced >>>> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >>>> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >>>> >>>> of love. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >>>> needed is a realization that power without love >>>> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >>>> >>>> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >>>> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >>>> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >>>> >>>> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >>>> this is what we must see as we move on. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >>>> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >>>> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >>>> >>>> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >>>> Americans to seek their goals through power >>>> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >>>> >>>> today to advocate for Negroes the same >>>> destructive and conscienceless power that they >>>> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >>>> >>>> immoral power with powerless morality which >>>> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >>>> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >>>> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >>>> >>>> the century this proposal would have been greeted >>>> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >>>> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >>>> >>>> status was considered the measure of the >>>> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >>>> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >>>> >>>> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >>>> come a long way in our understanding of human >>>> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >>>> >>>> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >>>> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >>>> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >>>> >>>> in constant or frequent unemployment against >>>> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >>>> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >>>> >>>> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >>>> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >>>> does not eliminate all poverty. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >>>> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >>>> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >>>> >>>> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >>>> position, we need to be concerned that the >>>> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >>>> >>>> that enhance the social good will have to be >>>> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >>>> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >>>> >>>> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The fact is that the work which improves the >>>> condition of mankind, the work which extends >>>> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >>>> >>>> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >>>> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >>>> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >>>> >>>> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >>>> work that brings a security for its own sake and >>>> a state of society where want is abolished. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >>>> and we are likely to find that the problem of >>>> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >>>> >>>> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >>>> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >>>> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >>>> >>>> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >>>> disability, will have a greater effect on >>>> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >>>> >>>> in their struggle. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >>>> psychological changes inevitably will result from >>>> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >>>> >>>> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >>>> life are in his own hands, when he has the >>>> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >>>> >>>> knows that he has the means to seek >>>> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >>>> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >>>> >>>> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >>>> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >>>> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >>>> >>>> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >>>> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >>>> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >>>> >>>> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >>>> dollars to put God's children on their own two >>>> feet right here on earth. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >>>> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >>>> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >>>> >>>> justice has been tragically etched in all the >>>> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >>>> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >>>> >>>> I want to give the other side. There is something >>>> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >>>> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >>>> >>>> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >>>> within them, you perceive a desire for >>>> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >>>> riot and the other riots in various cities >>>> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >>>> >>>> this view always end up with stumbling words when >>>> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >>>> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >>>> >>>> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >>>> government officials and a few water sprinklers >>>> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >>>> >>>> the food in the prison while the people remain >>>> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >>>> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >>>> >>>> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >>>> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >>>> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >>>> >>>> racist state and local governments and they talk >>>> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >>>> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >>>> >>>> a government by violence unless the government >>>> had already lost the allegiance and effective >>>> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >>>> >>>> that this will not happen in the United States. >>>> In a violent racial situation, the power >>>> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >>>> >>>> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >>>> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >>>> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >>>> >>>> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >>>> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >>>> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >>>> >>>> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >>>> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >>>> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >>>> >>>> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >>>> the part of American blacks would find no >>>> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >>>> >>>> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >>>> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >>>> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >>>> >>>> for change, a tactical program that will bring >>>> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >>>> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >>>> >>>> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >>>> this we will end up with solutions that don't >>>> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >>>> >>>> explain. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >>>> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >>>> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >>>> >>>> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >>>> country. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >>>> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >>>> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >>>> >>>> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >>>> can never advocate violence. For through violence >>>> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >>>> >>>> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >>>> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >>>> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >>>> >>>> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >>>> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >>>> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >>>> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >>>> >>>> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >>>> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >>>> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >>>> >>>> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >>>> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >>>> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >>>> >>>> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >>>> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >>>> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >>>> >>>> every time I see it, I know that it does >>>> something to their faces and their personalities, >>>> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >>>> >>>> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >>>> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >>>> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >>>> >>>> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >>>> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >>>> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >>>> >>>> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >>>> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >>>> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >>>> >>>> speech; but if you have not love, it means >>>> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >>>> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >>>> >>>> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >>>> molecules (All right); you may break into the >>>> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >>>> >>>> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >>>> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >>>> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >>>> >>>> of learning and the boundless extent of your >>>> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >>>> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >>>> >>>> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >>>> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >>>> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >>>> >>>> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >>>> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >>>> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >>>> >>>> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >>>> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >>>> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >>>> >>>> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >>>> that a man may be self-centered in his >>>> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >>>> >>>> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >>>> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >>>> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >>>> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >>>> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >>>> >>>> address itself to the question of restructuring >>>> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >>>> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >>>> >>>> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >>>> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >>>> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >>>> >>>> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >>>> When you ask that question, you begin to question >>>> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >>>> >>>> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >>>> questions about the whole society. We are called >>>> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >>>> >>>> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >>>> edifice which produces beggars needs >>>> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >>>> >>>> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >>>> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >>>> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >>>> >>>> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >>>> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >>>> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >>>> >>>> that must be said. (All right) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >>>> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >>>> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >>>> >>>> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >>>> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >>>> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >>>> >>>> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >>>> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >>>> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >>>> >>>> but he left out his idealism and his >>>> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >>>> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >>>> >>>> it into a system that he called "dialectical >>>> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >>>> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >>>> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >>>> >>>> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >>>> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >>>> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >>>> >>>> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >>>> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >>>> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >>>> >>>> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >>>> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >>>> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >>>> >>>> evils that are interrelated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >>>> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >>>> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >>>> >>>> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >>>> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >>>> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >>>> >>>> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >>>> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >>>> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >>>> >>>> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >>>> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >>>> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >>>> >>>> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >>>> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >>>> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >>>> >>>> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >>>> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >>>> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >>>> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >>>> >>>> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >>>> will exploit them and poor people generally >>>> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >>>> >>>> will have to have foreign investments and >>>> everything else, and it will have to use its >>>> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. >>>> >>>> (Yes) [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >>>> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >>>> (Oh >>>> yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >>>> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >>>> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >>>> right) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >>>> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >>>> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >>>> >>>> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >>>> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >>>> security. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >>>> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >>>> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >>>> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >>>> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >>>> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >>>> participate in the beauty of diversity. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >>>> women, however black they may be, will be judged >>>> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >>>> >>>> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >>>> [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >>>> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >>>> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >>>> >>>> with his God. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >>>> every city hall, justice will roll down like >>>> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >>>> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >>>> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >>>> >>>> tree, and none shall be afraid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >>>> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >>>> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >>>> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >>>> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >>>> >>>> power and human power. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >>>> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >>>> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >>>> >>>> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >>>> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >>>> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >>>> >>>> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >>>> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >>>> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >>>> >>>> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >>>> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >>>> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >>>> >>>> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >>>> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >>>> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >>>> >>>> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >>>> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >>>> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >>>> >>>> Johnson (Yes): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >>>> >>>> Bitter the chastening rod >>>> >>>> Felt in the days >>>> >>>> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >>>> >>>> Yet with a steady beat, >>>> >>>> Have not our weary feet >>>> >>>> Come to the place >>>> >>>> For which our fathers sighed? >>>> >>>> We have come over a way >>>> >>>> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >>>> >>>> We have come treading our paths >>>> >>>> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >>>> >>>> Out from the gloomy past, >>>> >>>> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >>>> >>>> Where the bright gleam >>>> >>>> Of our bright star is cast. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >>>> It will give us the courage to face the >>>> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >>>> >>>> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >>>> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >>>> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >>>> >>>> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >>>> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >>>> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >>>> >>>> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >>>> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >>>> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >>>> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >>>> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >>>> >>>> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >>>> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >>>> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >>>> >>>> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >>>> for the future, and with this faith we will be >>>> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >>>> >>>> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >>>> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >>>> [applause] >>>> >>>> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>>>> Tyler, >>>>> >>>>> Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >>>>> think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward >>>>> to >>>>> give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >>>> took >>>>> me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >>>>> every >>>>> few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better luck >>>>> >>>>> in >>>>> the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >>>>> government. You'd think government would be the most >>>>> disability-friendly >>>>> employer. That's a knee slapper. >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >>>>> fact >>>>> worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe >>>>> string >>>>> businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >>>>> with >>>>> that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices >>>>> at >>>>> employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up for >>>>> >>>>> an >>>>> interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >>>>> blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >>>> these >>>>> places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >>>>> next >>>>> batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to >>>>> provide >>>>> services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do >>>>> not >>>>> want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >>>>> places that will gladly accept the free labor. >>>>> >>>>> You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >>>>> compelling >>>>> evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >>>> post >>>>> about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >>>>> that >>>>> you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >>>>> left >>>>> to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>>>> concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly >>>>> unemployed, >>>>> something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>>>> frustration it conjures. >>>>> >>>>> If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>>>> glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help >>>>> >>>>> you >>>>> get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >>>>> suit >>>>> you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >>>> have >>>>> on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >>>>> references >>>>> in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs >>>>> on >>>>> account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >>>>> jobs >>>>> and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is >>>>> an >>>>> idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >>>>> government >>>>> system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >>>>> Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >>>>> likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >>>> that's >>>>> economics. >>>>> >>>>> I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >>>>> own >>>>> bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >>>>> employer, or your family. That's real independence. >>>>> >>>>> And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >>>>> jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >>>>> disservice >>>>> not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>>>> speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >>>> hard >>>>> work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >>>> position. >>>>> It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >>>>> Never >>>>> again. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>>>> Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >>>>> >>>>> Joe: >>>>> Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are >>>>> not >>>>> capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >>>>> working >>>>> through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships >>>>> do >>>>> not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >>>>> should >>>>> you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very >>>>> flawed. >>>> You >>>>> began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >>>>> economy, >>>>> to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >>>>> who >>>>> do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>>>> difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >>>>> hurtles >>>>> in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >>>>> saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting >>>>> about >>>>> yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs >>>>> (even >>>>> sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >>>>> within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >>>>> applying >>>>> to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal >>>>> resources. >>>>> >>>>>> On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>>> Tyler, >>>>>> >>>>>> The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not >>>>>> belittling >>>>>> your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >>>>>> part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >>>>>> up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >>>>>> which >>>>>> I would never recommend because of their general decline where >>>>>> service >>>>>> advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >>>>>> You'll >>>>>> need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >>>>>> talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >>>>>> set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick >>>>>> up >>>>>> the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >>>>>> volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >>>>>> That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >>>>>> even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >>>>>> marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >>>>>> drop >>>>> out from under you. >>>>>> >>>>>> I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >>>>>> hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >>>>>> feedback from a prospective customer. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >>>>>> that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >>>>>> especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >>>>>> more >>>>>> job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >>>>>> statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >>>>>> you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy >>>>>> is >>>>>> up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >>>>>> better. >>>>>> >>>>>> Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >>>>>> had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with >>>>>> >>>>>> a >>>>>> dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >>>>>> some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >>>>>> it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow >>>>>> grease >>>>>> to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >>>>>> other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >>>>>> "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>>>> organization we have today. >>>>>> >>>>>> Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >>>>>> sincerity. >>>>>> I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement >>>>>> and >>>>>> suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >>>>>> fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >>>>>> I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >>>>>> to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >>>>>> different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >>>>>> disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >>>>>> suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >>>>>> the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >>>>>> basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >>>>>> alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >>>>>> you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >>>> confused >>>>> by your logic. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bridgit, >>>>>> >>>>>> First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would >>>>>> be >>>>>> great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I >>>>>> think >>>>>> we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether >>>>>> the >>>>>> area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >>>>>> the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to >>>>>> easily >>>>>> break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be >>>>>> a >>>>>> rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >>>>>> Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >>>> suited >>>>> for my skills than others. >>>>>> Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, >>>>>> and >>>>>> I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration >>>>>> of >>>>>> nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet >>>>>> of >>>>>> things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >>>>>> fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >>>>>> outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get >>>>>> >>>>>> the >>>>> work done. >>>>>> >>>>>> Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >>>>>> through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >>>>>> Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >>>>>> academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >>>>>> graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >>>>>> severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >>>>>> with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >>>>>> year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >>>>>> about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >>>>>> education >>>>> program. >>>>>> >>>>>> Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >>>>>> going >>>>>> to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >>>>>> nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >>>>>> people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if >>>>>> the >>>>>> economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >>>>>> being >>>>>> blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >>>>>> immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >>>>>> applying or move to an area with more open minds. >>>>>> >>>>>> Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >>>>>> easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >>>>>> company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >>>>>> budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >>>>>> about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >>>>>> resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >>>>>> others >>>>>> will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every >>>>>> employer >>>>>> will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >>>>>> >>>>>> And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. >>>>>> There >>>>>> is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >>>>>> listen >>>>>> to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >>>>>> the >>>>>> economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >>>>>> being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >>>>>> easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the >>>>>> dumps >>>>>> and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >>>>>> personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >>>>>> instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >>>>>> and for having to compete against so many applicants. >>>>>> >>>>>> To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >>>>>> these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >>>>>> get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >>>>>> Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >>>>>> Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >>>>>> separating >>>>>> the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >>>>>> makes >>>>> you better. >>>>>> >>>>>> To your success, >>>>>> >>>>>> Joe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>>>>> com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Take care, >>>>> Ty >>>>> http://tds-solutions.net >>>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>>> that >>>>> dares not reason is a slave. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >>>> net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From wmodnl at hotmail.com Wed Jan 22 11:33:29 2014 From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:33:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: To argue that, we are safe from things like homelessness is completely wrong. Two of my friends went homeless because they were blind and black. No one in NYC would except them as totally blind tenants. Additionally, services that are supposed to assist completely ignored them. Finally, the media did it's great job of completely ignoring the situation. No one ever took the time of day to acknowledge them. I think that, as much as things have "improved", they have declined in other areas. We need to look at this country as a whole. We have the highest drop-out rates amongst high-school-aged children, and most recently, I heard and read that we trail the world 32 in math, reading, and science skills. Have a good day. Sent from my iPad > On Jan 21, 2014, at 4:39 PM, "Steve Jacobson" wrote: > > Joe, > > It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday to consider what African-Americans have > endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when the parallels between what we have > experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of African-Americans. To that extent, I agree > with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective > blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided," also seems extreme. > > There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind persons and those experienced by other > mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The motivations are different for one thing as > you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The fact that we have a sort of safety net > that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a blind person in the United States would be > left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or > she new which services might be available. > > Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are remotely similar seems to ignore some of our > history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed from their care simply because everyone > knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense of what it feels like to at least not be > seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old daughter and her friend to an amusement park > was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend because they required that he have a > responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being more than four feet or so tall without age > limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last > summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with their mother and father to take care of > them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the airlines force the stranger sitting next > to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential employer tell me that they would not > hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to bring me too and from the bathroom. While > we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person refused to give me directions to the stairs > because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. Ask > someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for which he worked tested his speed to > calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only as soon as he arrived or just before > quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another friend of mine how it felt to be denied a > teaching position because the school district required a specific level of vision. Ask the numerous blind people > who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service jobs because they were blind, how they > felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a protest over a policy that required blind > people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" seats on busses. He remarked that he never > thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the bus. He understood that it is as wrong to > tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is to assign them to the back of the bus > even if the motives were different. > > We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with technology are very important to keep us from > sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not all of the same significance, and it is > right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I have really just scratched the surface > above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How many other situations go unnoticed or > unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have fought, nor are they of the nature of the > battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to > take some care as to how we draw parallels. > > Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often brings chills and even tears. He exhibited > so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news coverage of the demonstrations when the > Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it made Dr. King's dream seem real to me > even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face those struggles. But I also found his > words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having their kids taken away or having the deck > stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being eliminated from consideration for a job > because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. King would understand that deciding for > someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone else's perceived sense of safety is at > least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit at the back of the bus because of their > race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being required to use a particular drinking > fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has decided the stairs were not safe. Are > these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, but I maintain that they are "remotely > similar" to use your words. > > Best regards, > > Steve Jacobson > >> On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >> >> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar >> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true that >> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, discrimination >> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King would >> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from employment >> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies >> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And >> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same >> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population that >> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like the >> struggles of our African-American peers. > >> Joe > >> -- >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > >> Visit my blog: >> http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/wmodnl%40hotmail.com From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Wed Jan 22 11:45:51 2014 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 06:45:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative In-Reply-To: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> References: <6CDF4E5C-A658-4C49-B0DB-FCD5CA430925@icloud.com> Message-ID: <8D0E57EA2853DCC-20D8-8CBC@webmail-d151.sysops.aol.com> Hi Mikayla, I just started using Socrative yesterday in my history class. I have had no problems with open-ended questions because JAWS reads the edit box to type my answer. However, I had difficulty with the multiple-choice questions. There was no way for me to tell whether my answer had been selected. There are no radio buttons, so I pressed enter on the answer I wanted. JAWS did not tell me whether my answer had actually been selected. Merlyn Hileman -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:58 pm Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative Hi, Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to use time trying to figure it out. Sincerely, Mikayla Sent from my iPad _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merlyn_hileman%40aol.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 22 12:05:17 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 07:05:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: Good morning all. I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. It’s nice to meet you all. Cheers. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 13:36:26 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 05:36:26 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0BA5CC7D-C45E-48E7-922B-28C4E0C8CF15@gmail.com> Hello Matt, Welcome to the list! You'll find a lot of helpful, encouraging, bright, wonderful folks on this listserv. We encourage, support, care about each other's accomplishments and want to help each other reach our goals and dreams. We are happy that you've joined us. Darian This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > > Good morning all. > I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. > I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. > I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. > I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. > I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. > I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. > It’s nice to meet you all. > Cheers. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 22 13:46:05 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:46:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <0BA5CC7D-C45E-48E7-922B-28C4E0C8CF15@gmail.com> References: <0BA5CC7D-C45E-48E7-922B-28C4E0C8CF15@gmail.com> Message-ID: <567F261D-6A2A-4579-BB6B-221CBB6928BD@me.com> Hello Darian. Thank you very much for the welcome. I attended my first full NFB convention in 2012 with the CCB, and wished I would have joined NABS sooner. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Darian wrote: > Hello Matt, > Welcome to the list! > You'll find a lot of helpful, encouraging, bright, wonderful folks on this listserv. > We encourage, support, care about each other's accomplishments and want to help each other reach our goals and dreams. We are happy that you've joined us. > Darian > > This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> >> Good morning all. >> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. >> It’s nice to meet you all. >> Cheers. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 13:45:41 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:45:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <52dfcbac.886fec0a.2ae3.3fc6@mx.google.com> Hi Matt welcome to the Nabs Student mailing list. My name is Roanna Bacchus. I'm glad you decided to join us. From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 13:48:58 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:48:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <52dfcc72.ca3dec0a.3716.458a@mx.google.com> Hi Matthew welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus and I am in my final semester at Seminole State College in Oviedo, Florida. I have been accepted to UCF and plan to start there in the Summer. Did you enjoy the Nfb convention last year? From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 22 13:51:00 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 08:51:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <52dfcc72.ca3dec0a.3716.458a@mx.google.com> References: <52dfcc72.ca3dec0a.3716.458a@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <7A0DC1FD-E6B0-455A-8E28-8E5507E4831D@me.com> The 2012 convention was pretty fun. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 8:48 AM, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Matthew welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus and I am in my final semester at Seminole State College in Oviedo, Florida. I have been accepted to UCF and plan to start there in the Summer. Did you enjoy the Nfb convention last year? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From kobycox at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 17:08:34 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 11:08:34 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Message-ID: <52dffb2f.c4293c0a.2fad.ffffb092@mx.google.com> Matt, Great=20to=20hear=20from=20you.=20=20Can=20you=20please=20email=20me=20off-= list.=20=20I've=20 got=20something=20very=20important=20to=20tell=20you.=20=20My=20email=20add= ress=20Is=20as=20 follows: kobycox %gmailcom.=20=20I=20sent=20you=20a=20voxier=20the=20other=20day.=20=20Did=20= you=20receive=20 It?=20If=20so,=20please=20respond=20to=20It. Right=20back=20soon, Koby. =20-----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Matthew=20Dierckens=20 Hi Koby what is a voxier? What is the attachment that you sent to the list? From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 18:30:12 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 12:30:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <52e0091b.e629ec0a.4a64.ffffee9e@mx.google.com> References: <52e0091b.e629ec0a.4a64.ffffee9e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Voxer is an app for iPhones and Androids which functions kind of like a walky-talky. Ryan On 1/22/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Hi Koby what is a voxier? What is the attachment that you sent to > the list? > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 18:57:29 2014 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:57:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> Hi Matthew, Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) -Anjelina Sent from my iPad > On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > > Good morning all. > I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. > I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. > I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. > I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. > I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. > I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. > It’s nice to meet you all. > Cheers. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From nabs.president at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 19:36:01 2014 From: nabs.president at gmail.com (nabs.president at gmail.com) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:36:01 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Job Posting In-Reply-To: <75BDA4E4BC759B40B8637E686510D0CB47942A1E@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com> References: <002401cefb53$60f1cdc0$22d56940$@gmail.com> <75BDA4E4BC759B40B8637E686510D0CB47942A1E@BLINDEXCHANGE.BISM.com> Message-ID: <000d01cf17a9$2f0321c0$8d096540$@gmail.com> Please find attached a great opportunity to work with blind youth in Maryland. The application deadline is coming soon, so if you are interested, take a look! Sean -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: YOUTH MANAGER BLIND INDUSTRIES AND SERVICES OF MARYLAND (2).doc Type: application/msword Size: 24576 bytes Desc: not available URL: From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 22 19:43:47 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:43:47 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> References: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> Message-ID: <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> Congratulations. That’s awesome. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Anjelina wrote: > Hi Matthew, > Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. > I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) > > > -Anjelina > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> >> Good morning all. >> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. >> It’s nice to meet you all. >> Cheers. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Jan 22 19:50:37 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:50:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> References: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the list! Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Congratulations. That’s awesome. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Anjelina wrote: > >> Hi Matthew, >> Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. >> I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) >> >> >> -Anjelina >> Sent from my iPad >> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>> >>> Good morning all. >>> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >>> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >>> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >>> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >>> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >>> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. >>> It’s nice to meet you all. >>> Cheers. >>> >>> Matthew Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 22 20:48:53 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:48:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: References: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> Message-ID: <5300C85B-67D3-4239-8A6F-E250A1CAA9E4@me.com> Thanks. Nice to meet you. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Welcome to the list! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > >> Congratulations. That’s awesome. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Anjelina wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthew, >>> Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. >>> I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) >>> >>> >>> -Anjelina >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning all. >>>> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >>>> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >>>> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >>>> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >>>> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >>>> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher’s assistant with students with disabilities. >>>> It’s nice to meet you all. >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>> Blind Access Training >>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 20:52:18 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 13:52:18 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <5300C85B-67D3-4239-8A6F-E250A1CAA9E4@me.com> References: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> <5300C85B-67D3-4239-8A6F-E250A1CAA9E4@me.com> Message-ID: Hi Mathew, my name is Ryan. I'm currently a senior in HS, and from Arizona. Welcome to the list! Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Skype: ryan.bishop7 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens Sent: 22 January 2014 13:49 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Thanks. Nice to meet you. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Welcome to the list! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > >> Congratulations. That's awesome. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Anjelina wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthew, >>> Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. >>> I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) >>> >>> >>> -Anjelina >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning all. >>>> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >>>> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >>>> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >>>> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >>>> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >>>> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher's assistant with students with disabilities. >>>> It's nice to meet you all. >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>> Blind Access Training >>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 20:54:36 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 15:54:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing myself In-Reply-To: <5300C85B-67D3-4239-8A6F-E250A1CAA9E4@me.com> References: <4A93E3F2-48CF-4950-9354-0B6C9C5D59E9@gmail.com> <53753BA2-2A17-40E5-8A19-A9667E560D85@me.com> <5300C85B-67D3-4239-8A6F-E250A1CAA9E4@me.com> Message-ID: <00b501cf17b4$2958eec0$7c0acc40$@gmail.com> My name is Justin; I hail from Columbia south Carolina in pursuit of my second masters degree. Great to meet you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 3:49 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing myself Thanks. Nice to meet you. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:50 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: > Welcome to the list! > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 2:43 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > >> Congratulations. That's awesome. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Anjelina wrote: >> >>> Hi Matthew, >>> Welcome to the group. This is a great place for questions and many list members pose great questions to ponder. >>> I recently graudated with my bachelors degree in social work and am working to find employment. :) >>> >>> >>> -Anjelina >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:05 AM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>> >>>> Good morning all. >>>> I thought I would start by introducing myself. My name is Matt, I am 21 from Windsor Ontario Canada. >>>> I am a graduate of the Colorado Centre for the Blind, and I am also a macintosh trainer. >>>> I do training both with a company and on my own, so if anyone is interested or knows someone who is, let me know and we can discuss it off list. >>>> I charge $10 an hour, and I do training over the phone, FaceTime or Skype. If doing training over the phone, I have an american telephone number. >>>> I am also looking at going back to school, I tried radio broadcasting, but due to very inaccessible software, that promptly failed. >>>> I am looking at the Educational Support program here in windsor, which is basically a teacher's assistant with students with disabilities. >>>> It's nice to meet you all. >>>> Cheers. >>>> >>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>> Blind Access Training >>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From robin-melvin at comcast.net Wed Jan 22 22:41:35 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 14:41:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Do Blind People SEE Color-Race??? Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140122143528.06b01898@comcast.net> How blind people see race Osagie K. Obasogie set out to find out what 'race' means to people who've never been able to see skin color. By Francie Latour January 19, 2014 In Martin Luther King Jr. s historic "I Have a Dream" speech, he yearned for a time when Americans would "not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. King's language drew on a metaphor for fairness as old as the image of blindfolded Lady Justice, one that has long held a seductive appeal in America's conversation on race: that of blindness. If we could just stop seeing color, the logic goes-if we could truly be race blind-we might at last move beyond the sins of slavery and prejudice, and reach a kind of utopia in which racial differences are emptied of meaning. But what happens when the metaphor of colorblindness is tested literally? For lifelong blind people, who have no ability to sort people by skin color, does race become as meaningless as we might hope? Or do they in fact "see" race? And if they do-if they are no less race conscious than the rest of us-what might that tell us about an ideal that anchors our most basic sense of racial equality? Those questions lie at the heart of "Blinded by Sight: Seeing Race Through the Eyes of the Blind," by legal scholar and sociology professor Osagie K. Obasogie. In a study eight years in the making, Obasogie, who teaches at the University of California Hastings, set out to document how blind people experience race. He found that even without visual cues, they experience the same divisions and prejudices as anyone else. In all, Obasogie interviewed 106 subjects who had been blind since birth-white, black, male, female, young and old, urban, suburban and rural. Their stories ranged from the commonplace to the surreal: We meet a blind black man named Keith, for whom romantic interests rise and then abruptly fall the moment a blind white woman discovers the texture of his hair. We meet Laura, who recalls the morning as a young girl she asked her mother why she was cleaning the kitchen counter. "'Well, because black people smell, and your baby sitter was here last night,'" Laura recalled. "And I said, 'That's interesting,' and filed that away. Indeed, Obasogie argues, it is that continual filing away of information, and not any visually obvious reality, that trains us to see race and attach meaning to it. "We are all socialized to see race. But it's only by talking to blind people that we really get a true understanding of how strong that socialization practice is," Obasogie said. "What this study highlights is how the things that we think are obvious are often things that society works very hard to teach us. 'If blind people are seeing race and organizing their lives around race, you can be damn sure that race is still an important part of other people's lives.' -- Osagie K. Obasogie Ideas spoke to Obasogie by phone from his office in California. IDEAS: You started your research after seeing the 2004 film "Ray" [about the life of blind soul music legend Ray Charles]. What about the movie led you to these questions? OBASOGIE: I guess what initially struck me about the movie was how Ray Charles had this really interesting and deep understanding of race ever since he was a little boy....After a few weeks of research, I found that no one had really asked the question to blind people, what is race? How do you understand race and what does it mean to you? IDEAS: What was the most surprising finding in the study? OBASOGIE: What these interviews really highlight is the fact that being able to see actually has very little to do with understanding what race is....Blind people have a very visual understanding of race. And blind people use these visual understandings of race to guide them through life, just like everyone else does, in terms of where they live, who they date, and so on. IDEAS: What do you mean when you say they understand race visually? OBASOGIE: Oftentimes, sighted people think that blind people either have no understanding of racial difference, or that their understanding can only be limited to some secondary sensory evaluation, such as hearing accents. What my research shows is that those kinds of secondary experiences do not come to define what race is for blind people. Rather it's this knowledge that what's important about race and what defines race is the fact that people look different. It's about a visual difference that they can't appreciate directly, but yet they are socialized to appreciate and react to. IDEAS: Some of your subjects described startling introductions to race bias from a young age; one boy's father drove him from their suburban home to an urban area and instructed him to "smell the smell of [n-word] town. How much of this can be attributed to subjects recalling memories from an earlier time? OBASOGIE: There were certainly some stories that come from a particular time. So when people talk about going to segregated schools for the blind, we're talking about people who went to certain schools before the 1950s. However, a number of experiences-such as blind people saying they met somebody, they thought the person was really cool, and then they found out the person was black and they couldn't date that person anymore-those were from respondents who were in their 20s and 30s. IDEAS: Often, sighted people have an instinctive reaction to protect a blind person-making sure they cross the street safely, for example. How did that instinct play out in terms of race? OBASOGIE: One of the things that struck me the most about these interviews was the way that racial boundaries get patrolled, primarily in the realm of dating. So you have parents making sure their children know that it's not appropriate for them to date outside their race. And then secondly you have these strangers, for example, coming up to a woman [shopping with a black male friend in a store] and saying, "Do you know your husband is black? which is an unbelievable statement on so many levels. You had another situation where a landlord saw a black person walk into a white [blind] woman's house, he goes and rings the doorbell and asks, "Is everything OK? I saw a black person walk in your house. It comes from the same sentiment of seeing a blind person and thinking they may be taken advantage of-and for some people, that involves making sure that quote-unquote vulnerable white blind people are aware that there are black people out there [who] pose a certain threat to white people. IDEAS: What, if any, are the broader societal implications flowing from the findings that blind people are not colorblind or racially oblivious? OBASOGIE: We kind of live in this world now where people think that everything is now postracial. With the election of Barack Obama, we assume that well, we have a black president, racism is over, the end. And I'm really trying to challenge that notion....If blind people are seeing race and organizing their lives around race, you can be damn sure that race is still an important part of other people's lives. IDEAS: One focus of your book is the powerful metaphor of colorblindness in the law. How does studying race among the blind relate to that? OBASOGIE: In short, colorblindness is simply this idea that government should not be in the business of using race or racial classifications in any way, that the role of government is to be blind to race, and that by being blind to race, justice and fairness will follow....On the one hand, that's in general a good idea. Part of the reason we've had so many problems with race, from the founding of our country up until recent times, was that government was using racial classifications to discriminate against certain groups of people. But the other end of colorblindness is that it's been used as an ideology to prevent the state from engaging in forms of affirmative action or other forms of government-based assistance programs that would help make up for past forms of discrimination. So at the crux of this notion of colorblindness is this metaphor, that being blind to race necessarily leads to fairness. And the way this study interacts with that claim is by asking, well, does blindness necessarily lead to fairness? Does it prevent people from being able to act in a discriminatory manner?... By looking at how blind people actually think about race, it can provide an empirical basis for us to rethink some of the policies we've developed on the back of that metaphor. Francie Latour writes about race and culture for The Boston Globe, Essence, and The Root. She can be reached at franciewrites @gmail .com. . From jsoro620 at gmail.com Wed Jan 22 23:20:14 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:20:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00c201cf17c8$816ee420$844cac60$@gmail.com> Steve, It's never been my position to downplay our challenges as blind individuals. Yet, I also don't want to get into a tit for tat, because it's all too possible to get into a stark comparison of how one underserved population has it worse than the other. The only thing I'll point out is that discrimination against the blind appears to stem from a sense of custodialism, whereas racism stems from just plain old hatred. We have a good shot at changing the former, if we really were an organized movement of blind people, but I don't know how you persuade someone to think of another being as human. I don't think we disagree on the essentials, and I'll always gladly accept your well-reasoned and thought-out personal lectures. To the person who believes we should eliminate gender and other demographics from government and employment forms, is it also your position that we should eradicate affirmative action? I'm right there with you if that's your argument, but I don't want to make assumptions about what you meant. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Steve Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 4:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & His View of the U.S. Economy Joe, It is more than appropriate as we celebrate Martin Luther King's birthday to consider what African-Americans have endured over time and still endure. I sometimes am a little uneasy when the parallels between what we have experienced as blind persons is drawn too closely to the experience of African-Americans. To that extent, I agree with what you said. Having said that, your statement that "Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided," also seems extreme. There are certainly large differences between our experiences as blind persons and those experienced by other mistreated groups here in the United States and around the world. The motivations are different for one thing as you also pointed out, and the level of endangerment is not the same. The fact that we have a sort of safety net that other groups do not have is significant. It is unlikely that a blind person in the United States would be left homeless or allowed to starve provided he or she new which services might be available. Still, to say that we are misguided to even think our struggles are remotely similar seems to ignore some of our history. You should talk to parents who have had their children removed from their care simply because everyone knows blind people can't be safe parents. They might have a remote sense of what it feels like to at least not be seen as an adult. Talk to the man who, when taking his nine-year-old daughter and her friend to an amusement park was told that his daughter had to sit with him instead of her friend because they required that he have a responsible adult with him. A "responsible adult" was defined as being more than four feet or so tall without age limits. In case you have read about that and know that it happened twenty years ago, ask me how I felt when last summer a flight attendant ask my children to split up and each sit with their mother and father to take care of them on the flight. Ask a close friend of mine how it felt to have the airlines force the stranger sitting next to her to be responsible for her. Ask me how it felt to have a potential employer tell me that they would not hire me because they could not spare another employee to be on call to bring me too and from the bathroom. While we are at it, ask me how I felt last week when a hospital staff person refused to give me directions to the stairs because they were not safe for me but would direct me to the elevator. Ask someone I knew personally how he felt when the sheltered workshop for which he worked tested his speed to calculate his subminimum wages on machinery that was defective, and only as soon as he arrived or just before quitting time when he was likely to work least efficiently? Ask another friend of mine how it felt to be denied a teaching position because the school district required a specific level of vision. Ask the numerous blind people who, before the mid-1950's, were not allowed to apply for civil service jobs because they were blind, how they felt. An African-American member several decades ago was involved in a protest over a policy that required blind people to sit in the very front "priority seating for the handicapped" seats on busses. He remarked that he never thought he would have to fight for the right to sit in the back of the bus. He understood that it is as wrong to tell responsible adults they have to sit at the front of the bus as it is to assign them to the back of the bus even if the motives were different. We face many barriers now. Some of our accessibility issues with technology are very important to keep us from sliding back into the back rooms of society. Yet, our battles are not all of the same significance, and it is right for us to take some care when drawing parallels. Nevertheless, I have really just scratched the surface above, and most of my examples involve people I know personally. How many other situations go unnoticed or unresolved. Some of our battles are not as critical as others we have fought, nor are they of the nature of the battles faced by others. I believe it is therefore reasonable for us to take some care as to how we draw parallels. Still, when I listen to Dr. King's "I Have a Dream" speech, it often brings chills and even tears. He exhibited so much courage as he worked to change society. I can remember the news coverage of the demonstrations when the Little Rock schools were ordered to integrate in the late 1950's, and it made Dr. King's dream seem real to me even though I am a very fortunate white American who did not have to face those struggles. But I also found his words to fit my dream of blind people not having to worry about having their kids taken away or having the deck stacked against us when evaluating our speed in a workshop or being eliminated from consideration for a job because of an irrelevant visual requirement. I have a feeling that Dr. King would understand that deciding for someone that they should sit at the front of the bus because of someone else's perceived sense of safety is at least remotely similar to having someone requiring that someone else sit at the back of the bus because of their race. I believe he would see that there is a similarity between being required to use a particular drinking fountain and being required to use an elevator because someone else has decided the stairs were not safe. Are these examples completely equal in their severity? No, of course not, but I maintain that they are "remotely similar" to use your words. Best regards, Steve Jacobson On Mon, 20 Jan 2014 12:26:41 -0500, Joe wrote: >Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >similar to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It >is true that blind people are discriminated for being perceived as >helpless, but African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to >face, discrimination for being thought of as less than human. I think >Martin Luther King would have appreciated laws that would have >protected his people from employment discrimination. I think he would >have loved laws that intercede in the interest of a child's equal >educational opportunities. We may not have always counted on Braille >bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed equal access to them. >Similarly, we may not count on these laws and policies always working, >but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the disadvantages of >a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. And yet, despite >the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very same speech >you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing to >build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be done. >It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >that can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >the struggles of our African-American peers. >Joe >-- >Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >Visit my blog: >http://joeorozco.com/blog _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Jan 23 00:15:04 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:15:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction Message-ID: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Hello everybody. I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. Sincerely, Sami. From dsmithnfb at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 00:38:28 2014 From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 16:38:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hello Sami, Thank you for the wonderful introduction and welcome to list! This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 23 00:44:40 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 19:44:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <7C307894-428F-4B74-8674-D0D4A2C4DFF5@icloud.com> Welcome to the list! I love technology, and know a little french. Sent from my iPad On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 00:53:58 2014 From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:53:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: Hi Sami, Welcome to NABS and the NABS List! Ryan Ryan Bishop Ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com 480-221-5195 Secretary Arizona Association of blind students http://az.nfb.org/aabs Webmaster National Federation of the Blind of Arizona http://az.nfb.org Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further, and may qualify you for a tax deduction. Donate your unwanted car to the National Federation of the Blind today! For more information, please visit: http://www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314 The problem of blindness is not the lack of eyesight. The real problem is the misunderstanding and lack of information that exists. If a blind person has proper training and opportunity, blindness is only a physical nuisance. Confidentiality Notice: This e-mail message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. As such, dispensing of this information should only be to individuals on a need-to-know basis. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by reply e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Sent: 22 January 2014 17:38 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction Hello Sami, Thank you for the wonderful introduction and welcome to list! This electronic message has been brought to you by my mobile device. > On Jan 22, 2014, at 4:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my > piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail. > com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.bishop96%40gmail.co m From arielle71 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 00:55:08 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:55:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race Message-ID: Hi all, Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a society. I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of the country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about white and black people having different skin colors, since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, grew up without having significant racial prejudices. In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been different, but probably not worse. Arielle From filerime at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 01:19:06 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:19:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. Elif 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : > Hi all, > > Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a > fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks > learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the > article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a > society. > I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in > school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They > were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated > better than a group called black people in certain parts of the > country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My > parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were > progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we > lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody > was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't > know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about > white and black people having different skin colors, since that was > supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the > lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white > and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. > When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I > was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's > hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me > that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the > 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be > treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) > responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard > for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for > blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to > everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. > In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom > telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave > me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their > appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question > was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it > was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that > my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that > because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in > which people thought my blindness made me inferior. > Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told > some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people > must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their > experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often > differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people > are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people > are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and > although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I > meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my > background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out > what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same > environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, > grew up without having significant racial prejudices. > In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a > lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have > discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best > friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about > her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I > would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, > if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been > different, but probably not worse. > > Arielle > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 23 02:27:35 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:27:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <551DD30B9C1046ADBE3D6FDEDC58A6E7@OwnerPC> Sami, Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. Take care. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction Hello everybody. I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. Sincerely, Sami. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Thu Jan 23 03:33:17 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:33:17 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <551DD30B9C1046ADBE3D6FDEDC58A6E7@OwnerPC> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <551DD30B9C1046ADBE3D6FDEDC58A6E7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <12FAE7F4-AA01-466C-9A8D-EEB8EFB81CEE@fuse.net> Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Sami, > Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? > What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. > > I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. > In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. > > Take care. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my > first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know > me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, > M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you > edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my > name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is > directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been > living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of > course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my > mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my > dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he > studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he > can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't > speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're > not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it > anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if > I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed > it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter > or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am > practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs > involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish > teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into > Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other > job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she > teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about > 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New > York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that > school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, > biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday > for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think > that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology > at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, > (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader > Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and > am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Jan 23 03:37:04 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 22:37:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <12FAE7F4-AA01-466C-9A8D-EEB8EFB81CEE@fuse.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <551DD30B9C1046ADBE3D6FDEDC58A6E7@OwnerPC> <12FAE7F4-AA01-466C-9A8D-EEB8EFB81CEE@fuse.net> Message-ID: <54003C3D-7689-4E08-80AC-9F58AF5CF55C@me.com> Welcome Sami to the list. I am a new list member as well. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 22, 2014, at 10:33 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: >> >> Sami, >> Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? >> What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. >> >> I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. >> In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. >> >> Take care. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Hello everybody. >> >> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my >> first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know >> me better. >> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, >> M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you >> edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my >> name wrong... >> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >> living there as long as I can remember. >> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my >> dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he >> studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he >> can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't >> speak English. >> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if >> I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed >> it. >> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter >> or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am >> practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs >> involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish >> teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into >> Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other >> job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she >> teaches me how to be a good teacher. >> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about >> 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New >> York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that >> school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday >> for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think >> that my teacher is very nicedd >> I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology >> at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, >> (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader >> Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. >> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and >> am excited to be part of this list. >> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >> Sincerely, >> >> Sami. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 03:48:55 2014 From: ben.j.bloomgren at gmail.com (Ben J Bloomgren) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:48:55 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <12FAE7F4-AA01-466C-9A8D-EEB8EFB81CEE@fuse.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <551DD30B9C1046ADBE3D6FDEDC58A6E7@OwnerPC> <12FAE7F4-AA01-466C-9A8D-EEB8EFB81CEE@fuse.net> Message-ID: <0D25A85C-EE39-4E03-8EFC-85A055BB2E65@gmail.com> Hello Sami, Since I'm no longer a student for the moment, I've become quite a lurker on this list; however, your intro woke me up and peaked my interest. My name is Ben Bloomgren, and I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. By the way, it was 75ºF today here in Phoenix! Anyway, I'm a language freak like you, and you have three of my four/five, depending on if you count English. I also speak Portuguese and Italian. I'm an interpreter myself, and I'd love to work with you on those things. If you're on Skype, I'd love to contact you. Being that you're a minor, I'm not going to put my Skype name out here. Otherwise, however, c'est un plaisir de te connaître. It's a pleasure to meet you! Ben J. Bloomgren Manager CLG Productions Http://www.clgproductions.com 704-256-0067 Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept holidays. > On Jan 22, 2014, at 20:33, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: >> >> Sami, >> Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? >> What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. >> >> I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. >> In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. >> >> Take care. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Hello everybody. >> >> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my >> first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know >> me better. >> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, >> M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you >> edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my >> name wrong... >> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >> living there as long as I can remember. >> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my >> dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he >> studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he >> can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't >> speak English. >> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if >> I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed >> it. >> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter >> or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am >> practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs >> involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish >> teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into >> Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other >> job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she >> teaches me how to be a good teacher. >> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about >> 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New >> York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that >> school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday >> for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think >> that my teacher is very nicedd >> I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology >> at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, >> (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader >> Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. >> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and >> am excited to be part of this list. >> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >> Sincerely, >> >> Sami. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgren%40gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 05:30:17 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 21:30:17 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing the NABS Cafe and Auction at the 2014 Washington Seminar! Message-ID: National Association of Blind Students A Division of the National Federation of the Blind Presents: NABS Café and Auction Join fellow students and support the work we do as the largest organization of blind students by bidding on our spectacular auction items. Hear the NFB’s most talented, such as Chris Danielson, Parnell Diggs, and Jennifer Dunnam! And enjoy a cash bar and hors d’oeuvres. And did we forget to mention? There will be a pie in the face contest! Here’s your chance to decide whether Anil Lewis, Mary Fernandez, or Gabe Cazares is going to get a pie in the face and if your bid is right, you can even throw the pie at the end of the night! Some great buys include packages so team with friends and bid high! We’ll be featuring shopping sprees, handmade crafts, and cool electronics! Check out the list of descriptions here and bookmark the link to reference as you peruse the items at the Café! http://nabslink.org/auction When: Monday, January 27, 2014 from 8:00 P.M. to midnight Where: Discovery Rooms I and II. At the Holiday Inn. Capitol (550c Street. SW Washington D.C) Cost: Just $5 in advance and $7 at the door! For more information please contact Karen Anderson, NABS 1st Vice President. Phone: 402-319-7645, email: kea.anderson at gmail.com. -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: NABS Cafe student flyer.pdf Type: application/pdf Size: 109657 bytes Desc: not available URL: From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 07:52:13 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:52:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's cool! that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to let you know, when I came to the U.S. I was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! ;) Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Thu Jan 23 09:11:26 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 03:11:26 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Apply Now for Learning Ally Scholarships Message-ID: > >Having trouble viewing this email? >Click >here to view this email as a webpage. >2015 National Achievement Awards > >If you're a member of Learning Ally... >this could be your year to win! > >Each year, Learning Ally awards over $50,000 to >outstanding students with visual and learning >disabilities through our >National >Achievement Awards. > > > >Our scholarship programs include: > > > * > The > Marion Huber Learning Through Listening Awards > for high school seniors who have learning disabilities > * * > * > The > Mary P. Oenslager Scholastic Achievement Awards > for college seniors and graduate students who are blind or visually impaired > >The three top winners from each program receive >a $6,000 scholarship award and join us in a >national celebration in Washington, DC. > > > > >Submission Deadline is March 1, 2014. >To apply, >visit >NAA.learningally.org/apply. > > > > >Questions: Contact Hope Greenberg at (609) >520-8084 or click to email. >Learning Ally - Making reading accessible for all > > >Apply >Now for Learning Ally's National Achievement Awards > > >View our videos on YouTube > > >View our profile on LinkedIn > >Find us on Pinterest > >Like us on Facebook >Stay Connected: >LearningAlly.org >Follow us on Twitter > | > Contact > Us | > Newsletter > | > Blog >Learning Ally Events >Learning Ally Events > >©2013 Learning Ally, Inc. All rights reserved. >Learning Ally™, Making reading accessible for >all™, the "Access" icon, Recording for the Blind >& Dyslexic®, RFB&D® and all trademarks and >service marks are owned by Learning Ally, Inc. >Forward >this email > >[] > >This email was sent to dandrews at visi.com by >enews at learningally.org | >Update >Profile/Email Address | Instant removal with >SafeUnsubscribe™ >| Privacy Policy. >Learning Ally | 20 Roszel Road | Princeton | NJ | 08540 From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 13:49:15 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:49:15 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. Ryan On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's cool! > that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just to let > you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, and I came to > the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of 12 years old. And > when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any English at all! So I actually > learned English here. So my first Language is Spanish, and my second > language is English! Also, just to let you know, when I came to the U.S. I > was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact that I > lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I had many > surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my sight. But I > actually know that even though I'm going through many bad circumstances, I > will nevr give up, and I know that these circumstances will not stope me to > fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm actually a college student! Hope to talk to > you soon! Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! :) > P.S. By the way, I'm very interesting in learning the French Language, since > some day I would like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis > Braille, the inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, > who taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I > learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could > give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! ;) > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >> >> Hello everybody. >> >> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post >> here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly >> to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as >> long as I can remember. >> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of course, >> and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born in >> France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. >> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the >> majority of they don't speak English. >> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not >> going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore >> because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would continue >> with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a >> French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those >> jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of >> them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the >> school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak >> English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and >> she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school since >> I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, >> going on the computer, and playing the piano. >> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my >> piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my teacher >> is very nicedd >> I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, >> including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using >> right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad >> Air, which I got last Christmas. >> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >> excited to be part of this list. >> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >> Sincerely, >> >> Sami. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 13:52:57 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 07:52:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told it's very beautiful there. On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm > originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I > moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through > Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm > glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good > things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language > enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five > languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in > more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it > in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, > some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know > bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I > want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly > well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I > would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, > welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. > > Ryan > > On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >> cool! >> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just to >> let >> you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, and I came to >> the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of 12 years old. And >> when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any English at all! So I >> actually >> learned English here. So my first Language is Spanish, and my second >> language is English! Also, just to let you know, when I came to the U.S. >> I >> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact that I >> lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I had many >> surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my sight. But I >> actually know that even though I'm going through many bad circumstances, >> I >> will nevr give up, and I know that these circumstances will not stope me >> to >> fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm actually a college student! Hope to talk >> to >> you soon! Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! :) >> P.S. By the way, I'm very interesting in learning the French Language, >> since >> some day I would like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis >> Braille, the inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask >> you, >> who taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could >> give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! >> ;) >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>> >>> Hello everybody. >>> >>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first post >>> here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is directly >>> to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been living there as >>> long as I can remember. >>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>> course, >>> and also French and Spanish. I know French because my mother was born >>> in >>> France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, though, he's American. >>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since the >>> majority of they don't speak English. >>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're not >>> going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it anymore >>> because last year I took an exam that would determine if I would >>> continue >>> with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or a >>> French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing those >>> jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. One of >>> them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents such as the >>> school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak >>> English. My other job is that I teach one of my other teachers French >>> and >>> she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>> since >>> I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, biking, >>> going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for my >>> piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that my >>> teacher >>> is very nicedd >>> I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology at home, >>> including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using >>> right now to right this post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad >>> Air, which I got last Christmas. >>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>> excited to be part of this list. >>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Sami. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > -- Ryan L. Silveira From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 13:55:44 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:55:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate Message-ID: Hi Guys, How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? Amanda From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 14:10:33 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:10:33 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Amanda, I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and read them perfectly. Ryan On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: > Hi Guys, > How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 14:12:28 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:12:28 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: HI Amanda. I'm sorry, but you can't read epub books on your pacmate. If you had a program like balabolka, you could read the epub files on your computer. This program also allows you to creat mp3 audio files from the .epub files. You can also read .epub files on devices such as the newest victor stream, the plextalk pocket and the bookport plus. I hope this helps. On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: > Hi Guys, > How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? > Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 14:18:11 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? www.tuebl.ca On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Hi Amanda, > > I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I > don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they > haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text > document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx > (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and > read them perfectly. > > Ryan > > On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >> Amanda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Jan 23 14:41:18 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:41:18 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. Saves you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text or Doc etc. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: > I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I > could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and > see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? > www.tuebl.ca > > On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Hi Amanda, >> >> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >> read them perfectly. >> >> Ryan >> >> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> Hi Guys, >>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>> Amanda >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 14:37:38 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:37:38 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. Ryan On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: > I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. > Elif > > 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >> Hi all, >> >> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >> society. >> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >> school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >> were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >> better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >> country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >> parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >> progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >> lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >> was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >> know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >> white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >> supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >> lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >> and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >> me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >> was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >> was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >> my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >> because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >> which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >> friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >> her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >> would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >> if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >> different, but probably not worse. >> >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 14:51:53 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:51:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: But I want to read in braille. On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. Saves > you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text or > Doc etc. > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: > >> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >> www.tuebl.ca >> >> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Hi Amanda, >>> >>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>> read them perfectly. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> Hi Guys, >>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:12:40 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:12:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Amanda, do you have a 20 cell display, or 40 cell display? On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: > But I want to read in braille. > > On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >> Saves >> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text >> or >> Doc etc. >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >> >>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >>> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >>> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>> www.tuebl.ca >>> >>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> Hi Amanda, >>>> >>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>>> read them perfectly. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:12:52 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:12:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> The PAC mate is a good machine… but it's old, in today's technological terms, Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to stop supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of luck on this one. wrote: > > But I want to read in braille. > >> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. Saves >> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text or >> Doc etc. >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> >>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >>> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >>> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>> www.tuebl.ca >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> Hi Amanda, >>>> >>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>>> read them perfectly. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:18:34 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:18:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: 40 cell. On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > Amanda, do you have a 20 cell display, or 40 cell display? > > On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >> But I want to read in braille. >> >> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>> Saves >>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text >>> or >>> Doc etc. >>> Matthew Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> >>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >>>> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >>>> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>> >>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>>>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>>>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>>>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>>>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>>>> read them perfectly. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:19:12 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:19:12 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> Message-ID: The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: > The PAC mate is a good machine… but it's old, in today's technological > terms, > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to stop >> supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of luck on >> this one. wrote: >> >> But I want to read in braille. >> >>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>> Saves >>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text >>> or >>> Doc etc. >>> Matthew Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> >>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >>>> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >>>> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>> >>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>>>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>>>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>>>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>>>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>>>> read them perfectly. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:23:13 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:23:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as well. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told it's very beautiful there. On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm > originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I > moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through > Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm > glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good > things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language > enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five > languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in > more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it > in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, > some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know > bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I > want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly > well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I > would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, > welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. > > Ryan > > On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >> cool! >> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >> I >> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! >> ;) >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>> >>> Hello everybody. >>> >>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>> living there as long as I can remember. >>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>> though, he's American. >>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>> last Christmas. >>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>> excited to be part of this list. >>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>> Sincerely, >>> >>> Sami. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>> 6%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >> 0gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:23:45 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:23:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> Message-ID: The pacmate can read bookshare files. But it is cool that the braille sense can read epub files. How does the braille sense U2 compare to the braillenote Apex? Amanda On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. > That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It > has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like > bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, > and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because > since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value > against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses > compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but > the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. > > On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >> The PAC mate is a good machine… but it's old, in today's technological >> terms, >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >>> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to stop >>> supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of luck on >>> this one. wrote: >>> >>> But I want to read in braille. >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>>> Saves >>>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to text >>>> or >>>> Doc etc. >>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>> Blind Access Training >>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website where I >>>>> could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the site and >>>>> see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>>>>> don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>>>>> haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>>>>> document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>>>>> (Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>>>>> read them perfectly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:26:09 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:26:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> Message-ID: <011901cf184f$71881360$54983a20$@gmail.com> I've never used an apex, buut I loved the braille sense; trying to contribe a way to get one. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:24 AM To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate The pacmate can read bookshare files. But it is cool that the braille sense can read epub files. How does the braille sense U2 compare to the braillenote Apex? Amanda On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. > That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It > has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like > bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, > and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because > since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value > against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses > compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but > the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. > > On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >> The PAC mate is a good machine. but it's old, in today's >> technological terms, >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >>> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to >>> stop supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of >>> luck on this one. wrote: >>> >>> But I want to read in braille. >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>>> Saves >>>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to >>>> text or Doc etc. >>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>> Blind Access Training >>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> >>>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website >>>>> where I could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the >>>>> site and see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible format? >>>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they >>>>>> are, I don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my >>>>>> knowledge, they haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they >>>>>> are in txt (text document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille >>>>>> format), doc or docx (Microsoft Word documents), you should be >>>>>> able to download them and read them perfectly. >>>>>> >>>>>> Ryan >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silve >>>>>>> ira%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens >>>>> %40me.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40g >>>> mail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%4 >>> 0gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.c >> om >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmai > l.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:37:17 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 08:37:17 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: <011901cf184f$71881360$54983a20$@gmail.com> References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> <011901cf184f$71881360$54983a20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <89898BD4-07FB-42BD-A9E3-FB4A1D75B510@gmail.com> I personally am almost to the point of just wanting a braille display with my iPhone and having done… Not quite, but almost. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:26 AM, "justin williams" wrote: > > I've never used an apex, buut I loved the braille sense; trying to contribe > a way to get one. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:24 AM > To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate > > The pacmate can read bookshare files. But it is cool that the braille sense > can read epub files. How does the braille sense U2 compare to the > braillenote Apex? > Amanda > >> On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >> The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. >> That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It >> has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like >> bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, >> and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because >> since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value >> against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses >> compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but >> the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. >> >>> On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >>> The PAC mate is a good machine. but it's old, in today's >>> technological terms, >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >>>> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to >>>> stop supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of >>>> luck on this one. wrote: >>>> >>>> But I want to read in braille. >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>>>> Saves >>>>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to >>>>> text or Doc etc. >>>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>>> Blind Access Training >>>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website >>>>>> where I could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the >>>>>> site and see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible > format? >>>>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they >>>>>>> are, I don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my >>>>>>> knowledge, they haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they >>>>>>> are in txt (text document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille >>>>>>> format), doc or docx (Microsoft Word documents), you should be >>>>>>> able to download them and read them perfectly. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silve >>>>>>>> ira%40gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens >>>>>> %40me.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40g >>>>> mail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.c >>> om >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmai >> l.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:42:48 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:42:48 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <011e01cf1851$c4a99760$4dfcc620$@gmail.com> I have been around many a blind person who are extremely racist; one of the most craziest things I have ever seen. I have heard the slirs and everything. All of the racism I have seen is not through culture; sometimes, it is straight hate. I can understand an individual preferring certain cultures over others, but not disliking someone just do to a skin color, especially if they have never really met the person, blind or sighted. I don't prefer everyone's culture, though I think they are all necessary; However, I would always want to give a person a chance. I can move in and out of several cultures as a way of blending in, but that does not mean I identify completely with said culture. I could not see myself deciding to dislike a man or woman because they were of a different race. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:38 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. Ryan On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: > I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. > Elif > > 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >> Hi all, >> >> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >> society. >> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie >> in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. >> They were talking about a time when a group called white people was >> treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of >> the country. I had never heard of white people or black people >> before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they >> were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly >> because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically >> everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, >> but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said >> anything about white and black people having different skin colors, >> since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went >> through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference >> between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness >> gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my >> question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually >> realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly >> thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on >> to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other >> ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became >> best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained >> about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, >> again, I would have just found the comment and the situation >> peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to >> race might have been different, but probably not worse. >> >> Arielle >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 > gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From louvins at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:46:40 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 09:46:40 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: <89898BD4-07FB-42BD-A9E3-FB4A1D75B510@gmail.com> References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> <011901cf184f$71881360$54983a20$@gmail.com> <89898BD4-07FB-42BD-A9E3-FB4A1D75B510@gmail.com> Message-ID: I've seen a couple demonstrations of the braille-sense U2 and the braillenote apex. For one thing the U2 has 4 times the storage space. The apex only has 8 gigs of internal storage, and the u2 has 32 gigs. From the demonstrations I've seen, I feel the u2 can connect to the internet much faster than the apex. The u2 also has a dropbox ap and can play youtube content. It just sounds a lot better to me than the apex. On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: > I personally am almost to the point of just wanting a braille display with > my iPhone and having done… Not quite, but almost. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:26 AM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> I've never used an apex, buut I loved the braille sense; trying to >> contribe >> a way to get one. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:24 AM >> To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate >> >> The pacmate can read bookshare files. But it is cool that the braille >> sense >> can read epub files. How does the braille sense U2 compare to the >> braillenote Apex? >> Amanda >> >>> On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>> The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. >>> That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It >>> has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like >>> bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, >>> and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because >>> since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value >>> against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses >>> compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but >>> the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >>>> The PAC mate is a good machine. but it's old, in today's >>>> technological terms, >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >>>>> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to >>>>> stop supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of >>>>> luck on this one. wrote: >>>>> >>>>> But I want to read in braille. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>>>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>>>>> Saves >>>>>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to >>>>>> text or Doc etc. >>>>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>>>> Blind Access Training >>>>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape >> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website >>>>>>> where I could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the >>>>>>> site and see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible >> format? >>>>>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they >>>>>>>> are, I don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my >>>>>>>> knowledge, they haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they >>>>>>>> are in txt (text document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille >>>>>>>> format), doc or docx (Microsoft Word documents), you should be >>>>>>>> able to download them and read them perfectly. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silve >>>>>>>>> ira%40gmail.com >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%4 >>>>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens >>>>>>> %40me.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40g >>>>>> mail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.c >>>> om >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmai >>> l.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From cape.amanda at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 15:59:45 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:59:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: <7D19D896-F17D-4B1A-8642-362782862799@gmail.com> <011901cf184f$71881360$54983a20$@gmail.com> <89898BD4-07FB-42BD-A9E3-FB4A1D75B510@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the info. Amanda On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > I've seen a couple demonstrations of the braille-sense U2 and the > braillenote apex. For one thing the U2 has 4 times the storage space. > The apex only has 8 gigs of internal storage, and the u2 has 32 gigs. > From the demonstrations I've seen, I feel the u2 can connect to the > internet much faster than the apex. The u2 also has a dropbox ap and > can play youtube content. It just sounds a lot better to me than the > apex. > > On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >> I personally am almost to the point of just wanting a braille display with >> my iPhone and having done… Not quite, but almost. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:26 AM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> I've never used an apex, buut I loved the braille sense; trying to >>> contribe >>> a way to get one. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda Cape >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 10:24 AM >>> To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate >>> >>> The pacmate can read bookshare files. But it is cool that the braille >>> sense >>> can read epub files. How does the braille sense U2 compare to the >>> braillenote Apex? >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >>>> The pacmate is very old, even the pacmate omni doesn't go past 2007. >>>> That's one reason I'm trying to save up for a braille-sense U2. It >>>> has a 32 cell display, and can read .epub files, and also things like >>>> bookshare, bard, learning ally, and other txt formats like .txt, .rtf, >>>> and .html. The only reason I even have a pacmate now, is because >>>> since I bought a pacmate omni, I can get $800 off in trade in value >>>> against the cost of a braille-sense U2. Also, the pacmate uses >>>> compact flash cards and you can transfer files to compact cards, but >>>> the transfer speed is something like 400 KBPS which is totally slow. >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Kirt wrote: >>>>> The PAC mate is a good machine. but it's old, in today's >>>>> technological terms, >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Amanda Cape and I think EPUB was only >>>>>> starting to gain serious traction when freedom scientific decided to >>>>>> stop supporting their notetaker , So I think you're probably out of >>>>>> luck on this one. wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> But I want to read in braille. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: >>>>>>> A great way to read those books is voice dream reader on the iPhone. >>>>>>> Saves >>>>>>> you from having to use something like Calibar library to convert to >>>>>>> text or Doc etc. >>>>>>> Matthew Dierckens >>>>>>> Macintosh Trainer >>>>>>> Blind Access Training >>>>>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>>>>>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:18 AM, Amanda Cape >>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I want to read them in braille on my pacmate. I have a website >>>>>>>> where I could get a bunch of epub books. Can someone check out the >>>>>>>> site and see if it is possible to convert them into an accessible >>> format? >>>>>>>> www.tuebl.ca >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Amanda, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they >>>>>>>>> are, I don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my >>>>>>>>> knowledge, they haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they >>>>>>>>> are in txt (text document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille >>>>>>>>> format), doc or docx (Microsoft Word documents), you should be >>>>>>>>> able to download them and read them perfectly. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ryan >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>>>>>> Hi Guys, >>>>>>>>>> How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >>>>>>>>>> Amanda >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>>>>> info for >>>>>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silve >>>>>>>>>> ira%40gmail.com >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Ryan L. 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I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 16:32:06 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:32:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction Message-ID: <52e14430.269aec0a.3192.4109@mx.google.com> Hi Sami welcome to the list. My name is Roanna Bacchus, and I live with my parents and older sisters in Orlando, Florida. My grandparents and many other family members also live here. I also have an IPad Mini which I got last Christmas. For college I use A BrailleNote Apex to complete my assignments and perform other tasks. From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 18:09:27 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 13:09:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that I'm from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's side was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to tell you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces my last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some parts of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is actually the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and I hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God bless!! Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as well. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might > not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or > Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told > it's very beautiful there. > >> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>> cool! >>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>> I >>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your > time! >>> ;) >>> >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello everybody. >>>> >>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>> though, he's American. >>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>> last Christmas. >>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>> Sincerely, >>>> >>>> Sami. >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>> 6%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>> 0gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 18:27:25 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:27:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Matt, First off, the United States does not offer any assistive technology "certification". There are groups that are working on it and I, myself have done some research into it, but there is, as yet, no standardize AT certification in the U.S. The U.K., however, does have one. Though there is no certification, there is a great training program that gives you experience with a veriety of different assistive tech and includes a huge student teaching portion. The program is at World Services for the Blind in Little Rock, Arkansas. They do accept students from outside the U.S., so you will have no problem. I did their nine-month assistive tech instructor training program there from August, 2011 until June, 2012 and I loved it. You learn a bunch of different AT, as well as improve your skills on the stuff you already know. As a graduation requirement, you do take the JAWS certification test as well as the Microsoft Office Specialist certification. As the training center includes a life-skills evaluation period prior to anyone entering any of the vocational training programs, the assistive technology instructor students are responsible for teaching the assistive tech classes to all the students coming in for evaluation. For example, if you were to attend the center, prior to starting the ATI program, you would go through a 30-day evaluation of your skills (tech skills, mobility skills, household skills) and a student in the ATI program would evaluate your tech skills and teach you anything new. Then, when you entered the program, you would to the same. I can't recall how much detail there is on the website about the program, but if you want to check it out, their website is: http://www.wsblind.org. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to know more about the program. I helped to design their new assistive tech corriculum, so I know the whole program inside and out. Ryan On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Good morning list. > I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an > assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will > do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 18:44:39 2014 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:44:39 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] summer research experience for minority students Message-ID: Here's a chance to learn about biophysics research at UNC: http://www.biophysics.org/ProfessionalDevelopment/Education/SummerResearchPrograminBiophysics/tabid/898/Default.aspx In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 18:47:21 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 12:47:21 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Helga, I think that's fairly common; a lot of German Jews emigrated to South America, as well as the U.S. Still, it's a neat story. Do you speak German as well as Spanish and English? Ryan On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that I'm > from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German > name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's side > was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to > scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you > know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to tell > you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces my > last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some parts > of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is actually > the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and I > hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God > bless!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as >> well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan >> Silveira >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might >> not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or >> Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told >> it's very beautiful there. >> >>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >>> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >>> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >>> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >>> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >>> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >>> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >>> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >>> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >>> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >>> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >>> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >>> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >>> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >>> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >>> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>>> cool! >>>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>>> I >>>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all >>>> your >> time! >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everybody. >>>>> >>>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>>> though, he's American. >>>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>>> last Christmas. >>>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> Sami. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>>> 6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 20:42:26 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:42:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Welcoming New Members Message-ID: <2AE02F23-10F1-4329-ADA6-7B30528A1349@gmail.com> Hello All, I would like to take this opportunity to welcome the new members to the list, particularly Matt and Sami. I hope you will find in this list the network of resources, support and friendship that all of our members enjoy. If you have a question about anything blindness-related, no matter how odd it may seem to you, please feel welcome to ask it here. You are among friends. We are all here to help each other—to answer each other's questions, to discuss issues facing us as blind students, and to provide encouragement when that is necessary. To introduce myself, I'm currently a sophomore in high school. I live in Maryland and am active in the Federation here. Currently I serve as secretary of the Maryland Association of Blind Students (MDABS.) Though I have been an on-paper NFB member since I was an infant, I have only been an active participant since 2011, when I attended the Jernigan Institute's Leadership and Advocacy in Washington (LAW) Program. There I found the true value of the Federation on a personal level and began to truly believe in our positive philosophy. Now I am passionate about living Federationism and spreading our message to others. Like Sami, I also enjoy music and am a member of the choirs at school and at church. I look forward to reading all contributions and to getting to know our newer members overtime. Again, to Matt, Sami, and any other new members, welcome to our list! Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 23 20:48:35 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 15:48:35 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Socrative References: Message-ID: I forwarded the messages about MLK and Socrative to my Social Studies teacher. This is what he said. Sent from my iPad Begin forwarded message: > From: Todd Thornton > Date: January 23, 2014, 3:44:47 PM EST > To: Mikayla Gephart > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative > > I hope you don't mind, but I found the entire conversation on MLK at the bottom of what you sent me and I sent it to my son. His class is doing a big project on the exact things that were mentioned in the article. I'm sure he'll find as useful and enlightening as I did. > > I'm happy to see that someone else from the NABS is using Socrative. I'd love to see Socrative get feedback from the NABS to make it more user friendly...for everyone. > > Thanks for thinking about me. > > > On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: >> Hi, >> I asked a Blind Students list about Socrative. Here is a response. Please let me know what you think! >> Sincerely, >> Mikayla >> P.S.-What did you think of what I sent you about MLK? I was thinking about you! >> >> Sent from my iPad >> >> Begin forwarded message: >> >>> From: Merlyn Hileman >>> Date: January 22, 2014, 6:45:51 AM EST >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Socrative >>> Reply-To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Hi Mikayla, >>> I just started using Socrative yesterday in my history class. I have had no problems with open-ended questions because JAWS reads the edit box to type my answer. However, I had difficulty with the multiple-choice questions. There was no way for me to tell whether my answer had been selected. There are no radio buttons, so I pressed enter on the answer I wanted. JAWS did not tell me whether my answer had actually been selected. >>> >>> Merlyn Hileman >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Mikayla Gephart >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Sent: Tue, Jan 21, 2014 12:58 pm >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Socrative >>> >>> Hi, >>> Does anyone have experience with socrative.com? When we take quizes on it, my teacher has a friend ask me the questions so I don't have to use time trying to figure it out. >>> Sincerely, >>> Mikayla >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/merlyn_hileman%40aol.com >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > > > -- > Todd J. Thornton > Upper Township Middle School > 8th Grade Social Studies > 609-628-3500 x2299 From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 23 21:11:51 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:11:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ryan, I've heard good and bad things about WSB. I've heard more positives about their vocational programs, and not so great things about their independent living program. Can you tell me about what happened after training? Did you find a job and use the stuff they taught? Do they assist you in finding a job? Did you go to work in Arkansas? At WSB, what was the living arrangement like? Roommates in the dorm, or maybe you had an apartment? How was the food? Also, can you say what the classes were like? I cannot think what they could teach you for 9 months about assistive technology; me thinks this would only take 4 or 5 months. What classes did they have and how many in each class? Did they give homework? How much is your student teaching portion? I am guessing you learn a solid foundation in the Microsoft Suite. Then you might learn about screen readers and their advanced settings. They probably cover various notetakers and scanners. Do they include apple products or tablets? I know in the past they only had windows pcs. They probably cover learning styles and techniques of teaching as well as job skills like how to interview well and craft a resume. I hope you found a job in AT after all this training. Did you also go to college or another center to learn blindness daily life skills? Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all Hi Matt, First off, the United States does not offer any assistive technology "certification". There are groups that are working on it and I, myself have done some research into it, but there is, as yet, no standardize AT certification in the U.S. The U.K., however, does have one. Though there is no certification, there is a great training program that gives you experience with a veriety of different assistive tech and includes a huge student teaching portion. The program is at World Services for the Blind in Little Rock, Arkansas. They do accept students from outside the U.S., so you will have no problem. I did their nine-month assistive tech instructor training program there from August, 2011 until June, 2012 and I loved it. You learn a bunch of different AT, as well as improve your skills on the stuff you already know. As a graduation requirement, you do take the JAWS certification test as well as the Microsoft Office Specialist certification. As the training center includes a life-skills evaluation period prior to anyone entering any of the vocational training programs, the assistive technology instructor students are responsible for teaching the assistive tech classes to all the students coming in for evaluation. For example, if you were to attend the center, prior to starting the ATI program, you would go through a 30-day evaluation of your skills (tech skills, mobility skills, household skills) and a student in the ATI program would evaluate your tech skills and teach you anything new. Then, when you entered the program, you would to the same. I can't recall how much detail there is on the website about the program, but if you want to check it out, their website is: http://www.wsblind.org. Feel free to e-mail me off-list if you want to know more about the program. I helped to design their new assistive tech corriculum, so I know the whole program inside and out. Ryan On 1/23/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > Good morning list. > I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming > an > assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that > will > do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Thu Jan 23 21:27:51 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:27:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> Hello Matthew, There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who teach daily living skills. How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live chats with the instructor. It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in it. Its with the assistive technology institute. The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all Good morning list. I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Jan 23 21:48:00 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 16:48:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <30091091-CFE9-4971-9D77-54D584FA5987@me.com> Hi. Well, there’s a certification in Califnoria that I can take. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 4:27 PM, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hello Matthew, > > There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. > You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who teach daily living skills. > > How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live chats with the instructor. > It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in it. > Its with the assistive technology institute. > > The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ > > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all > > Good morning list. > I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 22:09:27 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:09:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net><19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com><00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <19DE408CEDCC47CBA0E46F871DD07AD1@Helga> Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I don't speak the German language at all. I know that you probably think that is weird!since my name is German. But I always wanted to learn the German Language. Do you know, who can teach me the German language, and who can teach me the German Braille code? Just curious! I'm very interesting in learning how to speak, read, and write the German Language! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:47 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction Hi Helga, I think that's fairly common; a lot of German Jews emigrated to South America, as well as the U.S. Still, it's a neat story. Do you speak German as well as Spanish and English? Ryan On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that I'm > from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German > name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's > side > was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to > scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you > know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to > tell > you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces my > last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some > parts > of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is > actually > the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and > I > hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God > bless!! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" >> wrote: >> >> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as >> well. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan >> Silveira >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might >> not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or >> Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told >> it's very beautiful there. >> >>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >>> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >>> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >>> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >>> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >>> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >>> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >>> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >>> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >>> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >>> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >>> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >>> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >>> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >>> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >>> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>>> cool! >>>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>>> I >>>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all >>>> your >> time! >>>> ;) >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hello everybody. >>>>> >>>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>>> though, he's American. >>>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>>> last Christmas. >>>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>>> Sincerely, >>>>> >>>>> Sami. >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>>> 6%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>>> 0gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 23 22:14:30 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:14:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <19DE408CEDCC47CBA0E46F871DD07AD1@Helga> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> <19DE408CEDCC47CBA0E46F871DD07AD1@Helga> Message-ID: <392132BA-E072-49E3-A875-41391225F6CD@icloud.com> Helga, Did you get my email? Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:09 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I don't speak the German language at all. I know that you probably think that is weird!since my name is German. But I always wanted to learn the German Language. Do you know, who can teach me the German language, and who can teach me the German Braille code? Just curious! I'm very interesting in learning how to speak, read, and write the German Language! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hi Helga, > > I think that's fairly common; a lot of German Jews emigrated to South > America, as well as the U.S. Still, it's a neat story. Do you speak > German as well as Spanish and English? > > Ryan > > On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that I'm >> from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German >> name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's side >> was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to >> scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you >> know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to tell >> you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces my >> last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some parts >> of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is actually >> the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and I >> hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God >> bless!! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as >>> well. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan >>> Silveira >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >>> >>> Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might >>> not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or >>> Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told >>> it's very beautiful there. >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >>>> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >>>> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >>>> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >>>> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >>>> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >>>> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >>>> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >>>> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >>>> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >>>> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >>>> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >>>> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >>>> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >>>> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >>>> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>>>> cool! >>>>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>>>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>>>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>>>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>>>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>>>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>>>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>>>> I >>>>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>>>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>>>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>>>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>>>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>>>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>>>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>>>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>>>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>>>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>>>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>>>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>>>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>>>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all >>>>> your >>> time! >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>>>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>>>> though, he's American. >>>>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>>>> last Christmas. >>>>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sami. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>>>> 6%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 23 22:23:36 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:23:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <392132BA-E072-49E3-A875-41391225F6CD@icloud.com> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net><19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com><00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com><19DE408CEDCC47CBA0E46F871DD07AD1@Helga> <392132BA-E072-49E3-A875-41391225F6CD@icloud.com> Message-ID: <12FA18EBCD6A46C1B535810011CAC1FA@Helga> Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. What do you mean by an email? Just curious! Do you mean the email about this girl name Marina? Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:14 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction Helga, Did you get my email? Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:09 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I don't speak the > German language at all. I know that you probably think that is weird!since > my name is German. But I always wanted to learn the German Language. Do > you know, who can teach me the German language, and who can teach me the > German Braille code? Just curious! I'm very interesting in learning how to > speak, read, and write the German Language! I will really appreciate it, > if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks > so much and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:47 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hi Helga, > > I think that's fairly common; a lot of German Jews emigrated to South > America, as well as the U.S. Still, it's a neat story. Do you speak > German as well as Spanish and English? > > Ryan > > On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that >> I'm >> from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German >> name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's >> side >> was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to >> scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you >> know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to >> tell >> you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces >> my >> last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some >> parts >> of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is >> actually >> the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and >> I >> hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God >> bless!! >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" >>> wrote: >>> >>> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as >>> well. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan >>> Silveira >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >>> >>> Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English >>> might >>> not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or >>> Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm >>> told >>> it's very beautiful there. >>> >>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >>>> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >>>> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >>>> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >>>> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >>>> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >>>> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >>>> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >>>> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >>>> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >>>> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >>>> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >>>> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >>>> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >>>> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >>>> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>>>> cool! >>>>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>>>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>>>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>>>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>>>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>>>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>>>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>>>> I >>>>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>>>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>>>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>>>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>>>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>>>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>>>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>>>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>>>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>>>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>>>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>>>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>>>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>>>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all >>>>> your >>> time! >>>>> ;) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> Hello everybody. >>>>>> >>>>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, >>>>>> I. >>>>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>>>> though, he's American. >>>>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>>>> last Christmas. >>>>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>> >>>>>> Sami. >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>>>> 6%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>>>> 0gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mikgephart at icloud.com Thu Jan 23 22:31:25 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 17:31:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <12FA18EBCD6A46C1B535810011CAC1FA@Helga> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> <00ce01cf184f$0868e990$193abcb0$@gmail.com> <19DE408CEDCC47CBA0E46F871DD07AD1@Helga> <392132BA-E072-49E3-A875-41391225F6CD@icloud.com> <12FA18EBCD6A46C1B535810011CAC1FA@Helga> Message-ID: <12BD4447-B67F-4F02-A871-6F682EEE9B7C@icloud.com> Yes. Sent from my iPad On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:23 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mikayla, this is Helga. What do you mean by an email? Just curious! Do you mean the email about this girl name Marina? Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Mikayla Gephart > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 5:14 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Helga, > Did you get my email? > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 23, 2014, at 5:09 PM, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > >> Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that I don't speak the German language at all. I know that you probably think that is weird!since my name is German. But I always wanted to learn the German Language. Do you know, who can teach me the German language, and who can teach me the German Braille code? Just curious! I'm very interesting in learning how to speak, read, and write the German Language! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 1:47 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> I think that's fairly common; a lot of German Jews emigrated to South >> America, as well as the U.S. Still, it's a neat story. Do you speak >> German as well as Spanish and English? >> >> Ryan >> >> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi guys, this is Helga! Yeah, I knew that you will probably think that I'm >>> from Germany, due to my name! Just to let you know, my name is a German >>> name. Actually, just to let you know, my Great Grandfather in my dad's side >>> was a German Jew, but the reason he came to Peru was because he wanted to >>> scape from Hitler. So that is why I was born in Peru, but just to let you >>> know, I'm not Jewish, I'm actually a Christian! Also, I just wanted to tell >>> you that my last name Schreiber means writer. Actually, JAWS pronounces my >>> last name wrong, but VoiceOver pronounces my last name right! In some parts >>> of Germany my last name is pronounce different than others. This is actually >>> the info that my dad told me! Hope this give you some info about me, and I >>> hope I haven't confuse you guys! Thanks for listening to me!, and God >>> bless!! >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:23 AM, "justin williams" >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Didn't get the peroo either; though german or some eastern European as >>>> well. >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan >>>> Silveira >>>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 8:53 AM >>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >>>> >>>> Helga, I didn't know you were from Peru. I could tell that English might >>>> not be your first language, but I always thought you might be German or >>>> Austrian based on your name. I've always wanted to go to Peru. I'm told >>>> it's very beautiful there. >>>> >>>>> On 1/23/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >>>>> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >>>>> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >>>>> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >>>>> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >>>>> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >>>>> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >>>>> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >>>>> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >>>>> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >>>>> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >>>>> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >>>>> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >>>>> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >>>>> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >>>>> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>>>>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's >>>>>> cool! >>>>>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just >>>>>> to let you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, >>>>>> and I came to the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of >>>>>> 12 years old. And when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any >>>>>> English at all! So I actually learned English here. So my first >>>>>> Language is Spanish, and my second language is English! Also, just to >>>>>> let you know, when I came to the U.S. >>>>>> I >>>>>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact >>>>>> that I lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I >>>>>> had many surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my >>>>>> sight. But I actually know that even though I'm going through many >>>>>> bad circumstances, I will nevr give up, and I know that these >>>>>> circumstances will not stope me to fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm >>>>>> actually a college student! Hope to talk to you soon! Thanks so much >>>>>> for listening to me, and God bless!! :) P.S. By the way, I'm very >>>>>> interesting in learning the French Language, since some day I would >>>>>> like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis Braille, the >>>>>> inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, who >>>>>> taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>>>>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you >>>>>> could give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all >>>>>> your >>>> time! >>>>>> ;) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 22, 2014, at 7:15 PM, sami osborne wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello everybody. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my first >>>>>>> post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know me better. >>>>>>> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, M, I. >>>>>>> I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you edit the >>>>>>> pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my name wrong... >>>>>>> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >>>>>>> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >>>>>>> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >>>>>>> living there as long as I can remember. >>>>>>> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >>>>>>> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >>>>>>> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my dad, >>>>>>> though, he's American. >>>>>>> But he does know French because he studied it in school. That is of >>>>>>> course handy because then he can talk to my family in France, since >>>>>>> the majority of they don't speak English. >>>>>>> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >>>>>>> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >>>>>>> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if I >>>>>>> would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed it. >>>>>>> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter or >>>>>>> a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am practicing >>>>>>> those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs involving languages. >>>>>>> One of them is that I help the spanish teacher translate documents >>>>>>> such as the school's news-letter into Spanish for hispanic parents >>>>>>> who don't speak English. My other job is that I teach one of my >>>>>>> other teachers French and she teaches me how to be a good teacher. >>>>>>> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about 45 >>>>>>> minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New York >>>>>>> Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that school >>>>>>> since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >>>>>>> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >>>>>>> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >>>>>>> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday for >>>>>>> my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think that >>>>>>> my teacher is very nicedd I am also a big tech guy... I own >>>>>>> numerous types of technology at home, including a Windows computer >>>>>>> with Jaws, a BrailleNote, (which I am using right now to right this >>>>>>> post), a Victor Reader Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got >>>>>>> last Christmas. >>>>>>> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and am >>>>>>> excited to be part of this list. >>>>>>> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >>>>>>> Sincerely, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sami. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber2 >>>>>>> 6%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%4 >>>>>> 0gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>>> .com >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Jan 23 23:09:14 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:09:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction Message-ID: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Hi=20again. First=20of=20all=20thank=20you=20to=20all=20for=20making=20me=20feel=20welc= ome=20on=20this=20 list!=20:were Now=20I'll=20try=20to=20answer=20to=20everyone=20who=20asked=20me=20questio= ns. Ashley,=20I=20can't=20really=20compare=20piano=20lessons=20at=20a=20music=20= school=20 for=20the=20blind=20with=20having=20them=20with=20a=20regular=20teacher,=20= I=20think=20it=20 adepends=20on=20the=20teacher. Before=20I=20started=20coming=20to=20that=20school,=20I=20actually=20did=20= take=20piano=20 lessons=20with=20a=20teacher=20in=20Nyack=20when=20I=20was=204,=20and=20I=20= quit=20that. I=20don't=20remember=20why,=20because=20I=20was=20so=20young=20back=20then,= =20but=20now=20 that=20I=20think=20about=20it,=20it=20is=20probably=20because=20the=20teach= er=20focused=20 more=20on=20my=20disability=20then=20myself=20as=20a=20person,=20since=20fo= r=20example=20 I=20actually=20do=20remember=20that=20we=20didn't=20learn=20any=20actual=20= pieces,=20we=20 spent=20more=20time=20on=20the=20layout=20of=20the=20piano. My=20teacher=20at=20the=20music=20school,=20however,=20isn't=20like=20that= =20at=20all. I=20feel=20that=20she=20really=20feels=20toward=20me=20as=20a=20person,=20r= ather=20than=20a=20 "blind"=20person. Lilli,=20France=20is=20very=20nice. All=20the=20people=20there=20are=20very=20nice,=20and=20the=20food=20is=20d= elicious,=20 and=20the=20citys=20are=20beautiful. Would=20you=20like=20to=20go=20there=20some=20day? Ben,=20thank=20you=20very=20much=20for=20your=20offer!=20Yes,=20I=20do=20ha= ve=20Skype.=20=20 To=20make=20sure=20that=20nobody=20here=20who=20I=20don't=20know=20yet=20ju= st=20adds=20me=20 to=20their=20Skype=20contacts,=20I=20also=20won't=20post=20my=20Skype=20nam= e=20here=20 either.=20=20I=20will=20email=20you=20personally=20off=20this=20list=20and= =20I'll=20give=20 you=20my=20Skype=20name=20so=20you=20can=20add=20me.=20=20Wow,=20I=20can't= =20believe=20that=20 you=20know=20Italian=20and=20Portugese!=20I=20also=20want=20to=20learn=20th= ose,=20since=20 I=20already=20know=202=20of=20the=20romance=20languages=20(French=20and=20S= panish). Helga,=20it's=20same=20for=20you,=20if=20you=20have=20Skype=20you=20can=20e= mail=20me=20your=20 skype=20name.=20=20Is=20Peru=20nice?=20I=20would=20like=20to=20go=20to=20a= =20 Spanish-speaking=20country=20some=20day=20so=20I=20can=20practice=20my=20Sp= anish.=20=20 I=20also=20would=20like=20to=20learn=20German=20like=20you,=20since=20I=20k= now=20English,=20 and=20I=20personally=20think=20that=20your=20great-grandfather=20made=20the= =20right=20 decision=20to=20imigrate=20here=20to=20the=20Kmericas,=20since=20Hitler=20a= nd=20those=20 Germans=20discriminated=20against=20the=20Jews. Yes,=20looking=20at=20your=20messages,=20I=20think=20that=20being=20on=20th= is=20list=20 will=20be=20lot=20of=20fun! Thanks. Sami. -----=20Original=20Message=20----- From:=20Ben=20J=20Bloomgren=20=20wrote: =20Hi=20Sami=20and=20welcome=20to=20the=20list.=20=20I=20really=20liked=20y= our=20intro.=20=20 Wow,=20three=20languages.=20=20How=20is=20it=20like=20in=20France=20compare= d=20to=20 America? =20Sent=20from=20my=20iPhone =20On=20Jan=2022,=202014,=20at=209:27=20PM,=20"Ashley=20Bramlett"=20 =20wrote: =20Sami, =20Welcome!=20I'd=20like=20to=20hear=20about=20your=20experiences=20at=20th= e=20school=20 for=20the=20blind.=20=20I=20rarely=20meet=20people=20from=20schools=20for=20= the=20blind.=20=20 Do=20you=20study=20all=20subjects=20the=20regular=20ed=20kids=20do? =20What=20is=20it=20like=20going=20to=20a=20blind=20music=20class?=20I=20di= d=20=20not=20do=20 that,=20but=20I=20did=20take=20piano=20lessons=20privately. =20I'm=20Ashley=20and=20I=20am=20a=20graduate=20of=20marymount=20university= =20and=20I=20 obtained=20a=20certificate=20too=20at=20our=20community=20college.=20=20I=20= have=20a=20 liberal=20arts=20degree=20in=20communication=20and=20psychology=20and=20a=20= certificate=20in=20writing.=20=20I=20am=20now=20hoping=20to=20obtain=20at=20= least=20a=20 part=20time=20job=20and=20am=20contemplating=20=20attending=20a=20center=20= for=20the=20 blind=20to=20learn=20more=20skills. =20In=20free=20time,=20I=20enjoy=20listening=20to=20the=20radio,=20surfing= =20the=20 internet,=20chatting=20with=20friends,=20exercising,=20playing=20cards,=20a= nd=20 reading. =20Take=20care. =20Ashley =20-----Original=20Message-----=20From:=20sami=20osborne =20Sent:=20Wednesday,=20January=2022,=202014=207:15=20PM =20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20my=20introduction =20Hello=20everybody. =20I=20just=20registered=20to=20this=20list=20a=20few=20hours=20ago=20and=20= this=20is=20my =20first=20post=20here=20so=20let=20me=20introduce=20myself=20so=20you=20gu= ys=20can=20know =20me=20better. =20My=20name=20is=20Sami=20Osborne.=20=20Just=20to=20clarify:=20Sami=20is=20= spelled=20S,=20A, =20M,=20I.=20=20I'm=20just=20clarifying=20that=20because=20I=20know=20that= =20unless=20you =20edit=20the=20pronunciation,=20those=20screen=20readers=20always=20pronou= nce=20my =20name=20wrong... =20I=20am=2016,=20and=20I=20am=20totally=20blind=20since=20birth. =20I=20live=20in=20the=20state=20of=20New=20York,=20in=20a=20town=20called= =20Nyack.=20=20It=20is =20directly=20to=20the=20north=20of=20New=20York=20City,=20and=20it's=20nic= e.=20=20I've=20 been =20living=20there=20as=20long=20as=20I=20can=20remember. =20I=20don't=20want=20to=20brag,=20but=20I=20speak=203=20languages!=20I=20s= peak=20english=20 of =20course,=20and=20also=20French=20and=20Spanish.=20=20I=20know=20French=20= because=20my =20mother=20was=20born=20in=20France=20and=20we=20go=20there=20every=20summ= er.=20=20Not=20my =20dad,=20though,=20he's=20American.=20=20But=20he=20does=20know=20French=20= because=20he =20studied=20it=20in=20school.=20=20That=20is=20of=20course=20handy=20becau= se=20then=20he =20can=20talk=20to=20my=20family=20in=20France,=20since=20the=20majority=20= of=20they=20 don't =20speak=20English. =20I=20know=20spanish=20because=20I=20used=20to=20study=20it=20for=20school= ,=20for,=20 you're =20not=20going=20to=20believe=20this,=209=20and=20a=20half=20years!=20I=20d= on't=20study=20it =20anymore=20because=20last=20year=20I=20took=20an=20exam=20that=20would=20= determine=20if =20I=20would=20continue=20with=20spanish=20or=20if=20I=20was=20finished,=20= and=20I=20passed =20it. =20When=20I=20grow=20up,=20I=20would=20either=20like=20to=20be=20a=20langua= ge=20interpreter =20or=20a=20French=20or=20Spanish=20teacher=20at=20a=20school.=20=20I=20act= ually=20am =20practicing=20those=20jobs=20at=20school,=20because=20I=20now=20have=202= =20jobs =20involving=20languages.=20=20One=20of=20them=20is=20that=20I=20help=20the= =20spanish =20teacher=20translate=20documents=20such=20as=20the=20school's=20news-lett= er=20 into =20Spanish=20for=20hispanic=20parents=20who=20don't=20speak=20English.=20=20= My=20other =20job=20is=20that=20I=20teach=20one=20of=20my=20other=20teachers=20French= =20and=20she =20teaches=20me=20how=20to=20be=20a=20good=20teacher. =20I=20attend=20a=20school=20for=20the=20blind=20in=20New=20York=20City,=20= which=20is=20about =2045=20minutes=20away=20from=20my=20house.=20=20The=20name=20of=20the=20sc= hool=20is=20the=20 New =20York=20Institute=20for=20Special=20Education.=20=20I=20have=20been=20att= ending=20 that =20school=20since=20I=20was=2012=20and=20am=20enjoying=20it=20very=20much. =20During=20my=20free=20time,=20I=20like=20to=20listen=20to=20the=20radio,= =20go=20swimming, =20biking,=20going=20on=20the=20computer,=20and=20playing=20the=20piano. =20I=20go=20to=20a=20music=20school=20for=20the=20blind=20in=20Manhatan=20e= very=20Saturday =20for=20my=20piano=20lessons.=20=20I=20also=20enjoy=20that=20school=20alot= ,=20and=20I=20 think =20that=20my=20teacher=20is=20very=20nicedd =20I=20am=20also=20a=20big=20tech=20guy...=20=20I=20own=20numerous=20types= =20of=20technology =20at=20home,=20including=20a=20Windows=20computer=20with=20Jaws,=20a=20Bra= illeNote, =20(which=20I=20am=20using=20right=20now=20to=20right=20this=20post),=20a=20= Victor=20Reader =20Stream,=20and=20the=20new=20Ipad=20Air,=20which=20I=20got=20last=20Chris= tmas. =20By=20the=20way,=20=20=20I=20hope=20you=20all=20enjoyed=20reading=20my=20= introduction,=20 and =20am=20excited=20to=20be=20part=20of=20this=20list. =20I=20hope=20discussing=20on=20this=20list=20will=20be=20fun=20and=20inter= esting. =20Sincerely, =20Sami. =20_______________________________________________ =20nabs-l=20mailing=20list =20nabs-l at nfbnet.org =20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org =20To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20a= ccount=20 info=20for=20nabs-l: =20 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net 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http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From merlyn_hileman at aol.com Thu Jan 23 23:13:42 2014 From: merlyn_hileman at aol.com (Merlyn Hileman) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:13:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] LiveBinder Message-ID: <8D0E6A7E43D95EC-1788-4BA2@webmail-m253.sysops.aol.com> Hi all, I just started using LiveBinder in my history class, and I have some questions about accessibility. One of my assignments in the LiveBinder was an article paired with a video. So the video played automatically when the page opened. Is there a way for me to pause or stop the videos? My TVI was able to stop them by clicking with the mouse, but I could not figure out how to do it with JAWS. Also, my teacher made some questions to answer after each article or video. I noticed that JAWS would read the question, but I could not answer it. Is there a way to answer the questions within the LiveBinder, or do I need to type my answers in another document? I would really appreciate any help you can provide. Thanks. Merlyn Hileman From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Jan 23 23:20:41 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:20:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <00116107-5EF5-4BCD-A327-9DBAFB7365F2@me.com> Hey Sami. If you’d like to add me to Skype, feel free to email me off list. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:09 PM, sami osborne wrote: > Hi again. > > First of all thank you to all for making me feel welcome on this list! :were > Now I'll try to answer to everyone who asked me questions. > Ashley, I can't really compare piano lessons at a music school for the blind with having them with a regular teacher, I think it adepends on the teacher. > Before I started coming to that school, I actually did take piano lessons with a teacher in Nyack when I was 4, and I quit that. > I don't remember why, because I was so young back then, but now that I think about it, it is probably because the teacher focused more on my disability then myself as a person, since for example I actually do remember that we didn't learn any actual pieces, we spent more time on the layout of the piano. > My teacher at the music school, however, isn't like that at all. > I feel that she really feels toward me as a person, rather than a "blind" person. > Lilli, France is very nice. > All the people there are very nice, and the food is delicious, and the citys are beautiful. > Would you like to go there some day? > Ben, thank you very much for your offer! Yes, I do have Skype. To make sure that nobody here who I don't know yet just adds me to their Skype contacts, I also won't post my Skype name here either. I will email you personally off this list and I'll give you my Skype name so you can add me. Wow, I can't believe that you know Italian and Portugese! I also want to learn those, since I already know 2 of the romance languages (French and Spanish). > Helga, it's same for you, if you have Skype you can email me your skype name. Is Peru nice? I would like to go to a Spanish-speaking country some day so I can practice my Spanish. I also would like to learn German like you, since I know English, and I personally think that your great-grandfather made the right decision to imigrate here to the Kmericas, since Hitler and those Germans discriminated against the Jews. > Yes, looking at your messages, I think that being on this list will be lot of fun! > Thanks. > > Sami. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben J Bloomgren To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:48:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hello Sami, > > Since I'm no longer a student for the moment, I've become quite a lurker on this list; however, your intro woke me up and peaked my interest. My name is Ben Bloomgren, and I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. By the way, it was 75F today here in Phoenix! Anyway, I'm a language freak like you, and you have three of my four/five, depending on if you count English. I also speak Portuguese and Italian. I'm an interpreter myself, and I'd love to work with you on those things. If you're on Skype, I'd love to contact you. Being that you're a minor, I'm not going to put my Skype name out here. Otherwise, however, c'est un plaisir de te connatre. It's a pleasure to meet you! > > Ben J. Bloomgren > > Manager > CLG Productions > > Http://www.clgproductions.com > > 704-256-0067 > > Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept holidays. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 20:33, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Sami, > Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? > What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. > > I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. > In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. > > Take care. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my > first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know > me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, > M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you > edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my > name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is > directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been > living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of > course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my > mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my > dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he > studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he > can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't > speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're > not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it > anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if > I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed > it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter > or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am > practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs > involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish > teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into > Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other > job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she > teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about > 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New > York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that > school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, > biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday > for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think > that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology > at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, > (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader > Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and > am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning > ton%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgr > en%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Thu Jan 23 23:21:37 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:21:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard software on the Mac? Message-ID: Hey all. I am looking into a program at CSU, and they use blackboard for their courses. Any mac users on this list, and if so, how good is it with VO? Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 01:01:22 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:01:22 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: <011e01cf1851$c4a99760$4dfcc620$@gmail.com> References: <011e01cf1851$c4a99760$4dfcc620$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Unfortunately, I think blind people can still form first impressions and judge others based on superficial criteria. Accents, voice pitch, firmness of a handshake, body odor, height or weight cues we might get from hugging or brushing up against a person, etc. We may have less superficial cues than sighted people have to judge by, but the human-nature tendency to categorize or judge people based on immediate first impressions isn't something we are immune to. Arielle On 1/23/14, justin williams wrote: > I have been around many a blind person who are extremely racist; one of the > most craziest things I have ever seen. I have heard the slirs and > everything. All of the racism I have seen is not through culture; > sometimes, it is straight hate. I can understand an individual preferring > certain cultures over others, but not disliking someone just do to a skin > color, especially if they have never really met the person, blind or > sighted. I don't prefer everyone's culture, though I think they are all > necessary; However, I would always want to give a person a chance. I can > move in and out of several cultures as a way of blending in, but that does > not mean I identify completely with said culture. I could not see myself > deciding to dislike a man or woman because they were of a different race. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:38 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race > > This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind > people > are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily think this is > true. I think that blind people may be less apt to understand why people > are judged by their skin color. I think the racism that blind people > develop is more based on a cultural prejudice than one solely based on skin > color. For example, a lot of black people have a certain way of speaking. > That accent and speech pattern is due to their cultural and educational > background, not to their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a > person is black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural > prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first learned > about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life of me > understand why people judged others based on their skin color. I still > have > a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much > attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what is > inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, > because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a person based > on > their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than > someone > who simply looks at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is > not to say that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less > judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. > Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. > > Ryan > > On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >> Elif >> >> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>> society. >>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie >>> in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. >>> They were talking about a time when a group called white people was >>> treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of >>> the country. I had never heard of white people or black people >>> before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they >>> were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly >>> because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically >>> everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, >>> but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said >>> anything about white and black people having different skin colors, >>> since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went >>> through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference >>> between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very >>> strange. >>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >>> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >>> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >>> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >>> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >>> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >>> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >>> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >>> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >>> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness >>> gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my >>> question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually >>> realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly >>> thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on >>> to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other >>> ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >>> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >>> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >>> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >>> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >>> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >>> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >>> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >>> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >>> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >>> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >>> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >>> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became >>> best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained >>> about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, >>> again, I would have just found the comment and the situation >>> peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to >>> race might have been different, but probably not worse. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 >> gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 01:09:51 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:09:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard software on the Mac? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002001cf18a0$fc4be520$f4e3af60$@gmail.com> It works well with my assistive technology; I use jaws and windows 7. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 6:22 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard software on the Mac? Hey all. I am looking into a program at CSU, and they use blackboard for their courses. Any mac users on this list, and if so, how good is it with VO? Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 01:15:16 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:15:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> Arkansas is at least one program where you can get assistive technology certifications, but Ashley is right, it is not in the normal circulum anywhere really. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:28 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all Hello Matthew, There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who teach daily living skills. How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live chats with the instructor. It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in it. Its with the assistive technology institute. The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Dierckens Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all Good morning list. I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 24 01:20:44 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:20:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: All of that is interesting. Do you know Braille music? In terms of France, perhaps if the language barrier were not an issue. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:09 PM, sami osborne wrote: > > Hi again. > > First of all thank you to all for making me feel welcome on this list! :were > Now I'll try to answer to everyone who asked me questions. > Ashley, I can't really compare piano lessons at a music school for the blind with having them with a regular teacher, I think it adepends on the teacher. > Before I started coming to that school, I actually did take piano lessons with a teacher in Nyack when I was 4, and I quit that. > I don't remember why, because I was so young back then, but now that I think about it, it is probably because the teacher focused more on my disability then myself as a person, since for example I actually do remember that we didn't learn any actual pieces, we spent more time on the layout of the piano. > My teacher at the music school, however, isn't like that at all. > I feel that she really feels toward me as a person, rather than a "blind" person. > Lilli, France is very nice. > All the people there are very nice, and the food is delicious, and the citys are beautiful. > Would you like to go there some day? > Ben, thank you very much for your offer! Yes, I do have Skype. To make sure that nobody here who I don't know yet just adds me to their Skype contacts, I also won't post my Skype name here either. I will email you personally off this list and I'll give you my Skype name so you can add me. Wow, I can't believe that you know Italian and Portugese! I also want to learn those, since I already know 2 of the romance languages (French and Spanish). > Helga, it's same for you, if you have Skype you can email me your skype name. Is Peru nice? I would like to go to a Spanish-speaking country some day so I can practice my Spanish. I also would like to learn German like you, since I know English, and I personally think that your great-grandfather made the right decision to imigrate here to the Kmericas, since Hitler and those Germans discriminated against the Jews. > Yes, looking at your messages, I think that being on this list will be lot of fun! > Thanks. > > Sami. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Ben J Bloomgren To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:48:55 -0700 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hello Sami, > > Since I'm no longer a student for the moment, I've become quite a lurker on this list; however, your intro woke me up and peaked my interest. My name is Ben Bloomgren, and I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. By the way, it was 75ºF today here in Phoenix! Anyway, I'm a language freak like you, and you have three of my four/five, depending on if you count English. I also speak Portuguese and Italian. I'm an interpreter myself, and I'd love to work with you on those things. If you're on Skype, I'd love to contact you. Being that you're a minor, I'm not going to put my Skype name out here. Otherwise, however, c'est un plaisir de te connaître. It's a pleasure to meet you! > > Ben J. Bloomgren > > Manager > CLG Productions > > Http://www.clgproductions.com > > 704-256-0067 > > Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept holidays. > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 20:33, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? > > Sent from my iPhone > > On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > Sami, > Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? > What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. > > I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. > In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. > > Take care. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne > Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction > > Hello everybody. > > I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my > first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know > me better. > My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, > M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you > edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my > name wrong... > I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. > I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is > directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been > living there as long as I can remember. > I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of > course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my > mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my > dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he > studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he > can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't > speak English. > I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're > not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it > anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if > I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed > it. > When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter > or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am > practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs > involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish > teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into > Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other > job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she > teaches me how to be a good teacher. > I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about > 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New > York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that > school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. > During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, > biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. > I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday > for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think > that my teacher is very nicedd > I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology > at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, > (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader > Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. > By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and > am excited to be part of this list. > I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. > Sincerely, > > Sami. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 > 0earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning > ton%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgr > en%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 24 01:21:53 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:21:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <4E9996A7-6BED-491B-A83F-CFEC565DD06D@fuse.net> Wow. How do you know so many languages? Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm > originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I > moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through > Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm > glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good > things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language > enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five > languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in > more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it > in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, > some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know > bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I > want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly > well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I > would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, > welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. > > Ryan > >> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's cool! >> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just to let >> you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, and I came to >> the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of 12 years old. And >> when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any English at all! So I actually >> learned English here. So my first Language is Spanish, and my second >> language is English! Also, just to let you know, when I came to the U.S. I >> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact that I >> lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I had many >> surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my sight. But I >> actually know that even though I'm going through many bad circumstances, I >> will nevr give up, and I know that these circumstances will not stope me to >> fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm actually a college student! Hope to talk to >> you soon! Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! :) >> P.S. By the way, I'm very interesting in learning the French Language, since >> some day I would like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis >> Braille, the inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, >> who taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could >> give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! ;) From matt.dierckens at me.com Fri Jan 24 01:25:10 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:25:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: References: <0MZV00DXNMZH0JI0@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <672C3183-75EE-4C7C-9FFF-A340BF21DA06@me.com> I love languages. I am learning swedish, and I know english obviously. :) I learned French from Grade 3-10, then stopped. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:20 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > All of that is interesting. Do you know Braille music? In terms of France, perhaps if the language barrier were not an issue. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 6:09 PM, sami osborne wrote: >> >> Hi again. >> >> First of all thank you to all for making me feel welcome on this list! :were >> Now I'll try to answer to everyone who asked me questions. >> Ashley, I can't really compare piano lessons at a music school for the blind with having them with a regular teacher, I think it adepends on the teacher. >> Before I started coming to that school, I actually did take piano lessons with a teacher in Nyack when I was 4, and I quit that. >> I don't remember why, because I was so young back then, but now that I think about it, it is probably because the teacher focused more on my disability then myself as a person, since for example I actually do remember that we didn't learn any actual pieces, we spent more time on the layout of the piano. >> My teacher at the music school, however, isn't like that at all. >> I feel that she really feels toward me as a person, rather than a "blind" person. >> Lilli, France is very nice. >> All the people there are very nice, and the food is delicious, and the citys are beautiful. >> Would you like to go there some day? >> Ben, thank you very much for your offer! Yes, I do have Skype. To make sure that nobody here who I don't know yet just adds me to their Skype contacts, I also won't post my Skype name here either. I will email you personally off this list and I'll give you my Skype name so you can add me. Wow, I can't believe that you know Italian and Portugese! I also want to learn those, since I already know 2 of the romance languages (French and Spanish). >> Helga, it's same for you, if you have Skype you can email me your skype name. Is Peru nice? I would like to go to a Spanish-speaking country some day so I can practice my Spanish. I also would like to learn German like you, since I know English, and I personally think that your great-grandfather made the right decision to imigrate here to the Kmericas, since Hitler and those Germans discriminated against the Jews. >> Yes, looking at your messages, I think that being on this list will be lot of fun! >> Thanks. >> >> Sami. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Ben J Bloomgren > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 20:48:55 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Hello Sami, >> >> Since I'm no longer a student for the moment, I've become quite a lurker on this list; however, your intro woke me up and peaked my interest. My name is Ben Bloomgren, and I'm from Scottsdale, Arizona. By the way, it was 75ºF today here in Phoenix! Anyway, I'm a language freak like you, and you have three of my four/five, depending on if you count English. I also speak Portuguese and Italian. I'm an interpreter myself, and I'd love to work with you on those things. If you're on Skype, I'd love to contact you. Being that you're a minor, I'm not going to put my Skype name out here. Otherwise, however, c'est un plaisir de te connaître. It's a pleasure to meet you! >> >> Ben J. Bloomgren >> >> Manager >> CLG Productions >> >> Http://www.clgproductions.com >> >> 704-256-0067 >> >> Hours: Monday through Friday from 8:00 a.m. to 5:00 p.m. Eastern accept holidays. >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 20:33, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> >> Hi Sami and welcome to the list. I really liked your intro. Wow, three languages. How is it like in France compared to America? >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On Jan 22, 2014, at 9:27 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: >> >> Sami, >> Welcome! I'd like to hear about your experiences at the school for the blind. I rarely meet people from schools for the blind. Do you study all subjects the regular ed kids do? >> What is it like going to a blind music class? I did not do that, but I did take piano lessons privately. >> >> I'm Ashley and I am a graduate of marymount university and I obtained a certificate too at our community college. I have a liberal arts degree in communication and psychology and a certificate in writing. I am now hoping to obtain at least a part time job and am contemplating attending a center for the blind to learn more skills. >> In free time, I enjoy listening to the radio, surfing the internet, chatting with friends, exercising, playing cards, and reading. >> >> Take care. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne >> Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 7:15 PM >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction >> >> Hello everybody. >> >> I just registered to this list a few hours ago and this is my >> first post here so let me introduce myself so you guys can know >> me better. >> My name is Sami Osborne. Just to clarify: Sami is spelled S, A, >> M, I. I'm just clarifying that because I know that unless you >> edit the pronunciation, those screen readers always pronounce my >> name wrong... >> I am 16, and I am totally blind since birth. >> I live in the state of New York, in a town called Nyack. It is >> directly to the north of New York City, and it's nice. I've been >> living there as long as I can remember. >> I don't want to brag, but I speak 3 languages! I speak english of >> course, and also French and Spanish. I know French because my >> mother was born in France and we go there every summer. Not my >> dad, though, he's American. But he does know French because he >> studied it in school. That is of course handy because then he >> can talk to my family in France, since the majority of they don't >> speak English. >> I know spanish because I used to study it for school, for, you're >> not going to believe this, 9 and a half years! I don't study it >> anymore because last year I took an exam that would determine if >> I would continue with spanish or if I was finished, and I passed >> it. >> When I grow up, I would either like to be a language interpreter >> or a French or Spanish teacher at a school. I actually am >> practicing those jobs at school, because I now have 2 jobs >> involving languages. One of them is that I help the spanish >> teacher translate documents such as the school's news-letter into >> Spanish for hispanic parents who don't speak English. My other >> job is that I teach one of my other teachers French and she >> teaches me how to be a good teacher. >> I attend a school for the blind in New York City, which is about >> 45 minutes away from my house. The name of the school is the New >> York Institute for Special Education. I have been attending that >> school since I was 12 and am enjoying it very much. >> During my free time, I like to listen to the radio, go swimming, >> biking, going on the computer, and playing the piano. >> I go to a music school for the blind in Manhatan every Saturday >> for my piano lessons. I also enjoy that school alot, and I think >> that my teacher is very nicedd >> I am also a big tech guy... I own numerous types of technology >> at home, including a Windows computer with Jaws, a BrailleNote, >> (which I am using right now to right this post), a Victor Reader >> Stream, and the new Ipad Air, which I got last Christmas. >> By the way, I hope you all enjoyed reading my introduction, and >> am excited to be part of this list. >> I hope discussing on this list will be fun and interesting. >> Sincerely, >> >> Sami. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >> 0earthlink.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning >> ton%40fuse.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ben.j.bloomgr >> en%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver >> izon.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 01:26:51 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:26:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction In-Reply-To: <4E9996A7-6BED-491B-A83F-CFEC565DD06D@fuse.net> References: <0MZT00EQ5VD6W9S0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> <19D90467-A529-49F4-8BA4-8D785C360FE6@gmail.com> <4E9996A7-6BED-491B-A83F-CFEC565DD06D@fuse.net> Message-ID: <991E41E5-B9BF-4673-9D15-B518D319B58D@gmail.com> I studied Spanish in school and I learned some German, French and Italian from all the opera arias and art songs I’ve studied. I taught myself Greek, but I have a friend who is Greek so he helped a lot. As for the others, I’ve just picked up bits and pieces from friends and from teaching myself. On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Wow. How do you know so many languages? > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> Welcome to the list, Sami. I am pretty familiar with Nyack--I'm >> originally from Newburgh, New York which is pretty close to Nyack. I >> moved to Connecticut in 2002 when I was 12, but I've been through >> Nyack a number of times and my father still lives in that area. I'm >> glad you like attending NYSe for school; I've heard some pretty good >> things about it. I'm also glad to hear that you're a language >> enthusiast. I, myself, have a goal of being fluent in at least five >> languages (including English). Of course, if I can gain fluency in >> more, that would be even better. I speak fluent Spanish (I studied it >> in school up to the advanced placement level), I speak some French, >> some Italian, some German, good conversational Greek and I also know >> bits and pieces of Bosnian, Russian, Hebrew, Arabic (both of which I >> want to study more), Zulu, Xhosa and Welsh. I also know Latin fairly >> well, but no one actually speaks Latin conversationally. Well, I >> would because I'm a geek, but that's beside the point. Anyway, >> welcome to the list. I am sure you will enjoy all our discussions. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/23/14, Helga Schreiber wrote: >>> Hi Sami, this is Helga Schreiber. Welcome! to the NABS list!! That's cool! >>> that you speak three languages! Specially the Spanish language. Just to let >>> you know, I Speak Spanish fluently. I'm actually from Peru, and I came to >>> the United States 9 years ago, almost 10, at the age of 12 years old. And >>> when I came here to the U.S. I didn't know any English at all! So I actually >>> learned English here. So my first Language is Spanish, and my second >>> language is English! Also, just to let you know, when I came to the U.S. I >>> was low vision, but 6 years ago! I lost my sight, due to the fact that I >>> lost my sight because my Retina got detach, and even though I had many >>> surgeries in the past, the doctors could not restore my sight. But I >>> actually know that even though I'm going through many bad circumstances, I >>> will nevr give up, and I know that these circumstances will not stope me to >>> fulfill my dreams! Actually, I'm actually a college student! Hope to talk to >>> you soon! Thanks so much for listening to me, and God bless!! :) >>> P.S. By the way, I'm very interesting in learning the French Language, since >>> some day I would like to go to France, and visit the place, where Louis >>> Braille, the inventor of the Braille code lived! I just wanted to ask you, >>> who taught you French? And do you know who can teach me, or where can I >>> learn it? Just curious!! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could >>> give me some suggestions regarding this. Thanks again! for all your time! ;) > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 01:28:53 2014 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:28:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi there. I have a Masters certificate in assistive technology, but it is not blind specific. It deals with multiple disabilities and multiple pieces of assistive technology. Received it from California State University Dominguez Hills. It is an online program. HTH Hope Paulos > On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Arkansas is at least one program where you can get assistive technology > certifications, but Ashley is right, it is not in the normal circulum > anywhere really. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:28 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all > > Hello Matthew, > > There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. > You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab > teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who > teach daily living skills. > > How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is > thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen > readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live > chats with the instructor. > It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in > it. > Its with the assistive technology institute. > > The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ > > > HTH, > Ashley > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Dierckens > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all > > Good morning list. > I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an > assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will > do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. > > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From matt.dierckens at me.com Fri Jan 24 01:30:24 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:30:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <2410C276-F1B7-4E67-8D8B-276E202F6065@me.com> Funny, that’s where I’m looking at too. :). How was the program? Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi there. I have a Masters certificate in assistive technology, but it is not blind specific. It deals with multiple disabilities and multiple pieces of assistive technology. Received it from California State University Dominguez Hills. It is an online program. > HTH > > > Hope Paulos > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >> >> Arkansas is at least one program where you can get assistive technology >> certifications, but Ashley is right, it is not in the normal circulum >> anywhere really. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all >> >> Hello Matthew, >> >> There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. >> You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab >> teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who >> teach daily living skills. >> >> How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is >> thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen >> readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live >> chats with the instructor. >> It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in >> it. >> Its with the assistive technology institute. >> >> The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ >> >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Dierckens >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all >> >> Good morning list. >> I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an >> assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will >> do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Fri Jan 24 01:39:08 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 18:39:08 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the people about how discrimination works. Beth On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind > people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily > think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to > understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the > racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice > than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black > people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern > is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin > color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and > develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one > based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races > in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why > people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard > time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much > attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what > is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think > that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a > person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less > judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them > by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our > prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see > skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; > it makes for a great discussion. > > Ryan > > On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >> Elif >> >> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>> society. >>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >>> school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >>> were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >>> better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >>> country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >>> parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >>> progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >>> lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >>> was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >>> know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >>> white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >>> supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >>> lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >>> and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >>> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >>> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >>> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >>> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >>> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >>> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >>> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >>> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >>> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >>> me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >>> was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >>> was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >>> my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >>> because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >>> which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >>> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >>> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >>> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >>> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >>> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >>> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >>> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >>> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >>> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >>> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >>> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >>> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >>> friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >>> her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >>> would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >>> if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >>> different, but probably not worse. >>> >>> Arielle >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > From matt.dierckens at me.com Fri Jan 24 02:10:07 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:10:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <14475000-A4E2-4BC7-A8FE-B2FE530609C8@me.com> Curious Hope, when did you get your certification? Thanks. Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Hope Paulos wrote: > Hi there. I have a Masters certificate in assistive technology, but it is not blind specific. It deals with multiple disabilities and multiple pieces of assistive technology. Received it from California State University Dominguez Hills. It is an online program. > HTH > > > Hope Paulos > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >> >> Arkansas is at least one program where you can get assistive technology >> certifications, but Ashley is right, it is not in the normal circulum >> anywhere really. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:28 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all >> >> Hello Matthew, >> >> There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. >> You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab >> teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who >> teach daily living skills. >> >> How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is >> thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen >> readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live >> chats with the instructor. >> It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in >> it. >> Its with the assistive technology institute. >> >> The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ >> >> >> HTH, >> Ashley >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Matthew Dierckens >> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all >> >> Good morning list. >> I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an >> assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will >> do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. >> >> Matthew Dierckens >> Macintosh Trainer >> Blind Access Training >> www.blindaccesstraining.com >> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >> net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >> .com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jan 24 02:30:43 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:30:43 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: ePub is a format itself, not a PDF. I don't think you can read ePub files on Pac Mate. It is possible that FS Reader can read them, but I don't think so. Dave At 08:10 AM 1/23/2014, you wrote: >Hi Amanda, > >I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >(Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >read them perfectly. > >Ryan > >On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: > > Hi Guys, > > How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? > > Amanda > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > > > >-- >Ryan L. Silveira From hope.paulos at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 02:31:32 2014 From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:31:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: <14475000-A4E2-4BC7-A8FE-B2FE530609C8@me.com> References: <58E26FF4AA0F45E981FF316277E739C3@OwnerPC> <003c01cf18a1$bdec1240$39c436c0$@gmail.com> <14475000-A4E2-4BC7-A8FE-B2FE530609C8@me.com> Message-ID: <6660525C-8339-4F25-AE88-3AE67AA0425C@gmail.com> September 23rd of last year. Program is good. Hope Paulos > On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:10 PM, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > > Curious Hope, when did you get your certification? > Thanks. > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:28 PM, Hope Paulos wrote: >> >> Hi there. I have a Masters certificate in assistive technology, but it is not blind specific. It deals with multiple disabilities and multiple pieces of assistive technology. Received it from California State University Dominguez Hills. It is an online program. >> HTH >> >> >> Hope Paulos >> >>> On Jan 23, 2014, at 8:15 PM, "justin williams" wrote: >>> >>> Arkansas is at least one program where you can get assistive technology >>> certifications, but Ashley is right, it is not in the normal circulum >>> anywhere really. >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 4:28 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A question for you all >>> >>> Hello Matthew, >>> >>> There is no certification in the US for assistive tech professionals. >>> You might want to go to college and then grad school where you study rehab >>> teaching; some tech instructors have a RT degree; rts are those people who >>> teach daily living skills. >>> >>> How much can you spend? There is a very expensive program, which is >>> thousands, online. It specializes in the Microsoft products and screen >>> readers. If you take it, you have to also purchase a microphone to have live >>> chats with the instructor. >>> It sounds comprehensive, but ask around who has taken it before investing in >>> it. >>> Its with the assistive technology institute. >>> >>> The site is www.blindtraining.com/certifications/ >>> >>> >>> HTH, >>> Ashley >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Matthew Dierckens >>> Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:14 AM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all >>> >>> Good morning list. >>> I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for becoming an >>> assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of any places that will >>> do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. >>> >>> Matthew Dierckens >>> Macintosh Trainer >>> Blind Access Training >>> www.blindaccesstraining.com >>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail >>> .com >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/hope.paulos%40gmail.com From dandrews at visi.com Fri Jan 24 02:37:57 2014 From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:37:57 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] A question for you all In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here is one place: >Subject: Next Course Begins Feb 3 >From: CathyAnne >Date: Tue, 21 Jan 2014 00:57:43 -0700 >To: "news at blindtraining.com" > >Our online Trainer Certification Course is the only program that >offers in-depth immersions into the mainstream and specialized >programs used by blind and visually-impaired consumers. > >Featuring lifetime support, your training continues beyond >graduation. We have graduates who learned Windows XP and Office 2003 >who are now studying Windows 8.1, Office 2013 and more! > >Our program is the only trainer certification course of it's kind. >We're setting the Standards Others will follow. > >For more information on the Access Technology Trainer Certification >Course, please visit: > >http://www.blindtraining.com/certification/ > >I invite you to contact me with any questions. cathy at blindtraining.com. > >CathyAnne > >CathyAnne Murtha >Director >Access Technology Institute >www.blindtraining.com >Phone: (520) 300-7859 >FAX: (800) 987-6198 >Twitter: AccessTechInst >Facebook: www.facebook.com/blindtraining At 10:14 AM 1/23/2014, you wrote: >Good morning list. >I am interested in taking some kind of certification course for >becoming an assisitve technology professional. Does anyone know of >any places that will do this, and that will also accept Canadians? Thank you. > >Matthew Dierckens >Macintosh Trainer >Blind Access Training >www.blindaccesstraining.com >1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 02:54:47 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 19:54:47 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files References: <8D0E34E774B8349-DC4-67A5@webmail-vd013.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: try putting it in the .txt folder. the .doc file can't be read without the soft pack. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files the stream supports both file types I thought. -----Original Message----- From: Merlyn Hileman Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 11:56 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Victor Stream files Hi all, I am attempting to download a file from a website and read it on my Victor Stream. The only options available are BRF and DOC. I saved both formats into my Other Books folder on my SD card. However, neither file showed up when I put the card in the Stream. All of my MP3 downloads are visible and usable, but not these BRF and DOC files. Does the Victor Stream support any file types other than MP3? Thanks. Merlyn Hileman _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 03:10:57 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:10:57 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race References: Message-ID: <4209F5C77E6F4E149ADC7EC0E18D9FCD@HP30910210001> I have a story to add to this. Like you arielle I wasn't taught that race is a huge factor. I was with a friend and she wanted me to meet some people. So we set up the time and place. I came into the building where we were meeting and as I always did I touched my friends hair to let her know that I was there. She proceeded to introduce me to these two women. they were very nice to me. Then later she told me that one of them asked the other, if my friend knew I was black, and should they tell her. they just assumed that because she was totally blind that she didn't know that I was black. It didn't matter to me because I was raised to not judge others by their color. Now another twist to this, is that racism is prevalent in the eople of color community. This is because lighter skinned is seen as better than darker skinn. I always liked the quote from Martin luther king when he says that he wanted his children to be judged by the content of their character and not the color of their skin. I have had totally blind people call me a n*gger. I won't write the word because some are offended by it. However, this has shown me that racism and prejudices are taught. There is a song in the musical south pacific called you have to be taught. that song is talking about racism, hate, and prejudice. Lastly, my mom grew up in alabama during the time of segregation, and my grandparents were sharecroppers. So I knew all of the stories concerning my heritage. Color was never made to be a huge thing. Even now my stepdad is a white man, and many other interracial relationships are present in my family. It isn't perfect. But we do exist and care a lot about one another. I could go on and on with this topic. and the various subtopics. But will stop now. I will end with this, apparently, this topic is why there is the ACB and the NFB. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2014 5:55 PM Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race Hi all, Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a society. I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of the country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about white and black people having different skin colors, since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, grew up without having significant racial prejudices. In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been different, but probably not worse. Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 03:11:48 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:11:48 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com><005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn><00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com><52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com><00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com><5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com><006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net><000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com><7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net><7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7CAF0EFCE91545A8949F96F86BA64D2A@HP30910210001> very well said. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy I agree with all the points made here so far. Of course the experiences we as blind people have had as a group pale in comparison to the collective experiences of blacks in America, or countless other ethnic groups throughout the world who have been subject to genocides, slavery and other forms of dehumanizing treatment. However, I do think that on the one-on-one level, in interactions between a single blind person and a single sighted person, the experience on both sides is quite similar to people's experiences in interracial interactions. When somebody sees my cane and immediately makes assumptions about my abilities, my intelligence, my personality, etc. without speaking to me, I imagine that experience is quite similar to that of being judged by racial stereotypes just because of one's skin color. On the other side, too, members of majority groups, and sighted people, are often concerned about how to treat us right, and sometimes they worry so much that they come across as being more prejudiced. Dr. King's speeches have resonated with me since I was a young child because I could always relate to the aversive sense of being pre-judged by my appearance and not the content of my character. Arielle On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Hi, > Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, > discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and > comment > > on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, was > a > > bit evil. > > Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and > respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in society > and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for granted > the strides of integration he made now. > > I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement of > Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. > People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on > being > > blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. > > I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly changing > what it means to be blind. > > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jamie Principato > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & > HisView of the U.S. Economy > > I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader > context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of > defacto > > discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that > it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black > Americans back in the 60's. > > -Jamie > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: >> >> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in >> America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what >> ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is >> that >> >> he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America >> primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you read >> >> the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. >> >> At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>> similar >>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >>> that >>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>> discrimination >>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>> would >>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>> employment >>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly enjoyed >>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>> policies >>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >>> And >>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >>> same >>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>> to >>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region traditionally >>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>> done. >>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>> that >>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>> the >>> struggles of our African-American peers. >>> >>> Joe >>> >>> -- >>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>> >>> Visit my blog: >>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >>> His >>> View of the U.S. Economy >>> >>> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >>> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >>> >>> >>> you are always telling us to >>> >>> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every >>> day. >>> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, we >>> said, >>> >>> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >>> association >>> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the >>> Negro >>> >>> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >>> thousands >>> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started taking >>> >>> ads >>> >>> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >>> Breadbasket. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >>> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >>> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >>> >>> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >>> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >>> governmental employment and private industry. And while >>> >>> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >>> to commend the men who have been working with it >>> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >>> >>> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >>> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >>> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >>> >>> But here is the story that's not printed in the >>> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >>> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >>> >>> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >>> Negro community every year. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >>> gone national in the sense that we had a national >>> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >>> >>> program, which you will hear more about. >>> >>> >>> >>> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >>> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >>> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >>> >>> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >>> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >>> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >>> [applause], >>> >>> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >>> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >>> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >>> >>> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >>> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >>> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions >>> throughout. >>> >>> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >>> three years, we can build right here in the South >>> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >>> >>> and with millions and millions of dollars in >>> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now there are many other things that I could tell >>> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >>> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >>> >>> of which we can all be proud. >>> >>> >>> >>> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >>> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >>> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >>> >>> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >>> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >>> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >>> >>> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >>> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >>> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >>> >>> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >>> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >>> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >>> >>> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >>> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >>> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >>> >>> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >>> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >>> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >>> >>> America as a significant nation in international >>> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >>> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >>> >>> the richest, most powerful society in the history >>> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >>> >>> >>> >>> And so we still have a long, long way to go >>> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >>> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >>> >>> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >>> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >>> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >>> >>> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >>> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >>> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >>> >>> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >>> village of America that revolution is still at >>> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >>> >>> need some North Star to guide us into a future >>> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >>> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >>> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >>> >>> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >>> and representation declared that the Negro was >>> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >>> >>> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >>> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >>> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >>> >>> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >>> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >>> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >>> >>> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >>> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >>> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >>> >>> that of whites; and there are twice as many >>> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >>> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> In other spheres, the figures are equally >>> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >>> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >>> >>> receive substantially less money per student than >>> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >>> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >>> >>> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >>> >>> >>> >>> Where do we go from here? First, we must >>> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >>> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >>> >>> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >>> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >>> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >>> >>> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >>> >>> >>> >>> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >>> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >>> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >>> >>> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >>> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >>> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >>> >>> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >>> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >>> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >>> >>> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >>> has suggested that maybe the English language >>> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >>> >>> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >>> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >>> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >>> >>> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >>> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >>> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >>> >>> personhood is as old as the earliest history >>> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >>> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >>> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >>> >>> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >>> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >>> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >>> >>> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >>> weapon against the long night of physical >>> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >>> >>> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >>> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >>> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >>> >>> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >>> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >>> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >>> >>> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >>> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >>> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >>> >>> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >>> however painful and exploited that history has >>> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >>> >>> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >>> the people who were so sinful to make me a >>> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >>> >>> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >>> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >>> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >>> >>> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >>> organize our strength in to economic and >>> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >>> >>> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >>> one of the great problems that the Negro >>> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >>> >>> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >>> Negro has been confined to a life of >>> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >>> >>> the right to make decisions concerning his life >>> and destiny he has been subject to the >>> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >>> >>> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >>> created by those who had power, both to confine >>> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >>> >>> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >>> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >>> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >>> >>> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >>> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >>> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >>> >>> required to bring about social, political, and >>> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >>> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >>> >>> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >>> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >>> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >>> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >>> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >>> >>> with power if power is used correctly. >>> >>> >>> >>> You see, what happened is that some of our >>> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >>> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >>> >>> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >>> opposites, so that love is identified with a >>> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >>> >>> this misinterpretation that caused the >>> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >>> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >>> >>> this same misinterpretation which induced >>> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >>> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >>> >>> of love. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >>> needed is a realization that power without love >>> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >>> >>> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >>> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >>> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >>> >>> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >>> this is what we must see as we move on. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >>> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >>> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >>> >>> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >>> Americans to seek their goals through power >>> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >>> >>> today to advocate for Negroes the same >>> destructive and conscienceless power that they >>> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >>> >>> immoral power with powerless morality which >>> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >>> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >>> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >>> >>> the century this proposal would have been greeted >>> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >>> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >>> >>> status was considered the measure of the >>> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >>> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >>> >>> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >>> come a long way in our understanding of human >>> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >>> >>> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >>> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >>> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >>> >>> in constant or frequent unemployment against >>> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >>> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >>> >>> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >>> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >>> does not eliminate all poverty. >>> >>> >>> >>> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >>> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >>> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >>> >>> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >>> position, we need to be concerned that the >>> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >>> >>> that enhance the social good will have to be >>> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >>> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >>> >>> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >>> >>> >>> >>> The fact is that the work which improves the >>> condition of mankind, the work which extends >>> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >>> >>> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >>> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >>> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >>> >>> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >>> work that brings a security for its own sake and >>> a state of society where want is abolished. >>> >>> >>> >>> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >>> and we are likely to find that the problem of >>> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >>> >>> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >>> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >>> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >>> >>> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >>> disability, will have a greater effect on >>> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >>> >>> in their struggle. >>> >>> >>> >>> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >>> psychological changes inevitably will result from >>> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >>> >>> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >>> life are in his own hands, when he has the >>> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >>> >>> knows that he has the means to seek >>> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >>> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >>> >>> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >>> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >>> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >>> >>> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >>> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >>> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >>> >>> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >>> dollars to put God's children on their own two >>> feet right here on earth. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >>> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >>> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >>> >>> justice has been tragically etched in all the >>> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >>> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >>> >>> I want to give the other side. There is something >>> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >>> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >>> >>> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >>> within them, you perceive a desire for >>> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >>> riot and the other riots in various cities >>> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >>> >>> this view always end up with stumbling words when >>> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >>> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >>> >>> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >>> government officials and a few water sprinklers >>> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >>> >>> the food in the prison while the people remain >>> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >>> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >>> >>> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >>> >>> >>> >>> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >>> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >>> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >>> >>> racist state and local governments and they talk >>> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >>> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >>> >>> a government by violence unless the government >>> had already lost the allegiance and effective >>> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >>> >>> that this will not happen in the United States. >>> In a violent racial situation, the power >>> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >>> >>> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >>> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >>> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >>> >>> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >>> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >>> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >>> >>> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >>> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >>> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >>> >>> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >>> the part of American blacks would find no >>> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >>> >>> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >>> >>> >>> >>> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >>> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >>> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >>> >>> for change, a tactical program that will bring >>> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >>> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >>> >>> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >>> this we will end up with solutions that don't >>> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >>> >>> explain. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >>> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >>> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >>> >>> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >>> country. >>> >>> >>> >>> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >>> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >>> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >>> >>> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >>> can never advocate violence. For through violence >>> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >>> >>> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >>> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >>> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >>> >>> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >>> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >>> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >>> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >>> >>> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >>> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >>> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >>> >>> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >>> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >>> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >>> >>> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >>> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >>> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >>> >>> every time I see it, I know that it does >>> something to their faces and their personalities, >>> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >>> >>> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >>> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >>> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >>> >>> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >>> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >>> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >>> >>> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >>> >>> >>> >>> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >>> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >>> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >>> >>> speech; but if you have not love, it means >>> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >>> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >>> >>> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >>> molecules (All right); you may break into the >>> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >>> >>> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >>> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >>> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >>> >>> of learning and the boundless extent of your >>> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >>> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >>> >>> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >>> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >>> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >>> >>> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >>> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >>> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >>> >>> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >>> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >>> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >>> >>> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >>> that a man may be self-centered in his >>> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >>> >>> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >>> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >>> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >>> >>> >>> >>> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >>> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >>> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >>> >>> address itself to the question of restructuring >>> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >>> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >>> >>> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >>> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >>> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >>> >>> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >>> When you ask that question, you begin to question >>> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >>> >>> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >>> questions about the whole society. We are called >>> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >>> >>> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >>> edifice which produces beggars needs >>> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >>> >>> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >>> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >>> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >>> >>> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >>> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >>> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >>> >>> that must be said. (All right) >>> >>> >>> >>> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >>> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >>> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >>> >>> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >>> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >>> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >>> >>> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >>> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >>> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >>> >>> but he left out his idealism and his >>> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >>> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >>> >>> it into a system that he called "dialectical >>> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >>> >>> >>> >>> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >>> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >>> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >>> >>> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >>> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >>> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >>> >>> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >>> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >>> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >>> >>> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >>> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >>> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >>> >>> evils that are interrelated. >>> >>> >>> >>> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >>> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >>> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >>> >>> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >>> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >>> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >>> >>> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >>> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >>> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >>> >>> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >>> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >>> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >>> >>> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >>> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >>> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >>> >>> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >>> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >>> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >>> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >>> >>> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >>> will exploit them and poor people generally >>> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >>> >>> will have to have foreign investments and >>> everything else, and it will have to use its >>> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied together. >>> >>> (Yes) [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >>> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >>> (Oh >>> yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >>> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >>> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. (All >>> right) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >>> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >>> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >>> >>> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >>> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >>> security. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >>> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >>> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >>> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >>> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >>> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >>> participate in the beauty of diversity. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >>> women, however black they may be, will be judged >>> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >>> >>> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >>> [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >>> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >>> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >>> >>> with his God. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >>> every city hall, justice will roll down like >>> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >>> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >>> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >>> >>> tree, and none shall be afraid. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >>> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >>> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >>> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >>> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >>> >>> power and human power. [applause] >>> >>> >>> >>> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >>> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >>> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >>> >>> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >>> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >>> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >>> >>> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >>> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >>> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >>> >>> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >>> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >>> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >>> >>> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >>> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >>> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >>> >>> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >>> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >>> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >>> >>> Johnson (Yes): >>> >>> >>> >>> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >>> >>> Bitter the chastening rod >>> >>> Felt in the days >>> >>> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >>> >>> Yet with a steady beat, >>> >>> Have not our weary feet >>> >>> Come to the place >>> >>> For which our fathers sighed? >>> >>> We have come over a way >>> >>> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >>> >>> We have come treading our paths >>> >>> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >>> >>> Out from the gloomy past, >>> >>> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >>> >>> Where the bright gleam >>> >>> Of our bright star is cast. >>> >>> >>> >>> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >>> It will give us the courage to face the >>> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >>> >>> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >>> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >>> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >>> >>> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >>> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >>> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >>> >>> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >>> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >>> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >>> >>> >>> >>> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >>> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >>> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >>> >>> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >>> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >>> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >>> >>> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >>> for the future, and with this faith we will be >>> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >>> >>> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >>> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >>> [applause] >>> >>> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>> >Tyler, >>> > >>> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because you >>> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward >>> > to >>> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. It >>> took >>> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >>> >every >>> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better >>> >luck >>> > >>> >in >>> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >>> >government. You'd think government would be the most >>> > disability-friendly >>> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >>> > >>> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >>> >fact >>> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe >>> > string >>> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >>> >with >>> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices >>> >at >>> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up >>> >for >>> > >>> >an >>> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I was >>> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >>> these >>> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >>> >next >>> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to >>> > provide >>> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do >>> >not >>> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten other >>> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >>> > >>> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >>> >compelling >>> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the other >>> post >>> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >>> >that >>> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >>> >left >>> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly >>> > unemployed, >>> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>> >frustration it conjures. >>> > >>> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will help >>> > >>> >you >>> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >>> >suit >>> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic could >>> have >>> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >>> >references >>> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs >>> >on >>> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >>> >jobs >>> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is >>> > an >>> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >>> >government >>> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. Social >>> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more than >>> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >>> that's >>> >economics. >>> > >>> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >>> >own >>> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, an >>> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >>> > >>> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people find >>> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >>> >disservice >>> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed to >>> hard >>> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >>> position. >>> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >>> >Never >>> >again. >>> > >>> >Joe >>> > >>> >-----Original Message----- >>> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>> >list >>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >>> > >>> >Joe: >>> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are >>> >not >>> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >>> >working >>> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships >>> >do >>> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >>> >should >>> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very >>> > flawed. >>> You >>> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >>> >economy, >>> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >>> >who >>> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >>> >hurtles >>> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically I'm >>> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting >>> > about >>> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs >>> > (even >>> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable position >>> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >>> >applying >>> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal >>> > resources. >>> > >>> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>> > > Tyler, >>> > > >>> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills is >>> > > >>> > > a >>> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not >>> > > belittling >>> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >>> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you set >>> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >>> > > which >>> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where >>> > > service >>> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >>> > > You'll >>> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >>> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum you >>> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick >>> > > up >>> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need to >>> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >>> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >>> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time to >>> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >>> > > drop >>> >out from under you. >>> > > >>> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me to >>> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >>> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >>> > > >>> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >>> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >>> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >>> > > more >>> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >>> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >>> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy >>> > > is >>> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >>> > > better. >>> > > >>> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >>> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began with >>> > > >>> > > a >>> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >>> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >>> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow >>> > > grease >>> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >>> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and said, >>> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>> >organization we have today. >>> > > >>> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >>> > > sincerity. >>> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement >>> > > and >>> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >>> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >>> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too hard >>> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >>> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >>> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >>> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >>> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are you >>> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >>> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >>> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >>> confused >>> >by your logic. >>> > > >>> > > Bridgit, >>> > > >>> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would >>> > > be >>> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I >>> > > think >>> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether >>> > > the >>> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring to >>> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to >>> > > easily >>> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be >>> > > a >>> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it possible? >>> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >>> suited >>> >for my skills than others. >>> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, >>> > > and >>> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration >>> > > of >>> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet >>> > > of >>> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our generation >>> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight against >>> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to get >>> > > >>> > > the >>> >work done. >>> > > >>> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >>> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >>> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >>> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >>> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >>> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >>> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >>> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >>> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >>> > > education >>> >program. >>> > > >>> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >>> > > going >>> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >>> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >>> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if >>> > > the >>> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >>> > > being >>> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >>> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >>> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >>> > > >>> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >>> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >>> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >>> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >>> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >>> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >>> > > others >>> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every >>> > > employer >>> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >>> > > >>> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. >>> > > There >>> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >>> > > listen >>> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >>> > > the >>> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >>> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >>> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the >>> > > dumps >>> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >>> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >>> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being blind >>> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >>> > > >>> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >>> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >>> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >>> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >>> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >>> > > separating >>> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >>> > > makes >>> >you better. >>> > > >>> > > To your success, >>> > > >>> > > Joe >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > _______________________________________________ >>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> > > for >>> >nabs-l: >>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>> > > com >>> > >>> > >>> >-- >>> >Take care, >>> >Ty >>> >http://tds-solutions.net >>> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he >>> that >>> >dares not reason is a slave. >>> > >>> > >>> >_______________________________________________ >>> >nabs-l mailing list >>> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >>> net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 03:14:24 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:14:24 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel References: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I am going to purchase a folding cane from the nfb. I hear that the newer ones are nice. Even though I use a dog, I still carry a cane. I love having my options. I still have my short folding cane with the roller tip somewhere. I hated that thing. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Arielle Silverman" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:57 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel Hi Pat, I grew up using an aluminum folding cane with roller tip, too, and my teacher actively refused to let me try an NFB cane or a cane that went up higher than my sternum. Like many others I didn't really give it a second thought. However, once I started going to NFB conventions and meeting people who were much better cane travelers than I who loved their NFB canes, I decided to give one a try. It took a little adjusting at first, but now I could never go back to the aluminum cane. The NFB cane is just so much lighter and more sensitive. I use a combination of constant contact and two-point touch depending on the surface I am walking on and whether I'm just going straight for a while, looking for something specific, or trying to echolocate. I use a straight cane most of the time. It has nothing to do with philosophy, since even when I used a folding cane I never hid it. I simply feel the straight cane gives me better feedback and is easier to handle while walking. When I'm going somewhere that involves crowds and not much walking, then I will take an NFB folding cane. I don't like to walk long distances with it but it's easier to store. I've had bad experiences with telescoping canes breaking or getting stuck in the telescoped position, so I use a folding cane instead. Arielle On 1/20/14, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > Hi, > > I've used a variety of canes, both from the NFB and not. My first > cane was a straight aluminum cane with a golfclub grip, and I liked it > because it was light and also had the nice rubber grip. It was a > great cane for getting me started because it was hollow, yet durrable. > My Orientation and Mobility instructor and I actually made it by > hand, cut the aluminum tube to the correct length and everything. > > I then moved into the folding aluminum canes and switched from pencil > to rolling marshmallow tips. I didn't like these as much; though the > tips were a big improvement, I hated how heavy the cane was. I had > several of these before I decided to experiment with the NFB canes. I > still have the free one I requested, and even followed NFB protocol by > ordering it tall. I have found that I prefer my cane to go to my chin > per how I was taught in elementary school, and personally like it > because I walk fast and it is long enough to help me but not long > enough to trip up other people. I know the NFB says the longer canes > are better for fast walkers, but for me I was always concerned about > tripping up people in front of me and didn't get the range of motion I > wanted out of it. I now use a telescopic NFB cane and love it. > > It is possible to do constant contact with an NFB cane, and I have not > found the rounded grip to be a problem. I have retained a lot of my > original cane technique through all the changes. The only time I use > the palm up technique is when I'm holding the cane closer to me, as it > is a bit more comfortable that way and allows for more motion closer > to the body. It's good to use both these gripping methods so you can > go between them as you see fit. Both really do help. > > I agree with Cindy. Try out one of the free NFB canes and see if you > like it. The lightness was a huge plus for me, and with all the > walking I do around campus I'm glad my wrist isn't straining. If you > get a chance to see someone else's telescopic or NFB folding cane try > that out too. The more variations in canes you try, the more you'll > learn about what does and does not work for you. > > Personally, I love the NFB philosophy of keeping the cane visible, but > I don't think folding up the cane is hiding blindness necessarily. > Blindness is still there whether the cane is straight and unfoldable, > or folded in a lap or on a desktop. I think the intent behind folding > up a cane is what matters; if you're folding it up to hide your > blindness, that is very different from folding it up for convenience. > It's like how people put away glasses, hearing aids, or other devices > when they are not using them; it doesn't mean they don't need glasses, > or cannot hear without hearing aids, but it's a matter of convenience. > Just my take on it. > > On 1/20/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Pat, >> >> I would first like to welcome you to these lists and to our Federation. >> It >> is good to hear that you are investigating all your options and taking >> full >> advantage of the network of support and resources which this organization >> provides. >> >> While I have my own experiences to draw from, I find questions like these >> slightly hard to answer. I say this because I believe travel is very much >> a >> matter of personal preference. To me, there is no "correct" cane to use >> and >> no single appropriate way to use it. What works for me may not work for >> you, >> and what works for you may not work for another blind person, and so on. >> Contrary to what some might have you believe, even the NFB does not >> officially endorse one particular method of travel, though our members >> might >> have their own strong opinions on the subject. Our concern, I believe, is >> that blind people have the confidence and the skills needed to travel >> where >> we want to go, however we choose to get there. >> >> With this said, let me tell you what I have done and currently do in the >> hope that this will add more information to the advice you have already >> received. For a long time I used an Ambutech folding cane with a pencil >> tip. >> While this provided relatively good information, it was hard for me to >> tap >> it, so I primarily used constant contact. When I went to an NFB-sponsored >> youth program for the first time, I had to give up my folding cane and >> use >> a >> rigid NFB cane with a metal tip during my time there. I came home liking >> the >> rigid cane for its lightness and ease of use. I was finally able to tap >> with >> ease, which provided me with the auditory information the old Ambutech >> lacked. However, I found the straight cane sometimes cumbersome, >> especially >> in public places and in cars. There were many times when people would >> approach me and inform me that my cane was sticking out in the aisle at a >> concert hall/theater or in the middle of a walkway in a restaurant. The >> travel instructors at the Louisiana Center for the Blind said this was >> because I was not putting the cane down correctly, but despite my many >> attempts I was never able to get the darned thing out of the way. Perhaps >> this was my fault, not the cane's. I then used an NFB folding cane for a >> few >> months, but it soon broke and I was forced to go back to my straight >> cane. >> Now I use and love another Ambutech folding cane. It is one of their >> Ultra-Light models with an NFB-style metal tip. This cane is very durable >> and truly lives up to the ultra-light name. I was able to keep the metal >> tip >> I like and get much of the advantages I found in my NFB cane while still >> enjoying the convenience of its ability to fold. I would strongly >> encourage >> you to look into this cane as you are searching for the right one for >> you. >> >> As for cane technique, I believe there is no law which forces me to use >> one >> technique alone. I therefore use a variety of techniques at different >> times >> and in different situations. In most situations I find myself using the >> tap-slide (sometimes referred to as touch-drag) technique to which Kirt >> referred in his message. However, I sometimes switch to constant contact >> or >> 2-point-touch when I am approaching a certain surface, e.g. steps or >> escalators. I also use a technique called "pencil grip" whenever I am in >> a >> crowded or tight space. This involves sliding my hand down to about the >> middle of the shaft and sweeping with a narrower arc than I would in the >> usual, open-palm method. This technique helps me get through crowds while >> avoiding tripping anyone. When I am using sighted guide, I also often >> switch >> my cane to pencil grip to avoid drifting my cane out and hitting either >> the >> guide or another passerby. As you can see, then, there are many cane >> techniques you can use and many situations in which to use all of them. I >> would advise you to become familiar with all these methods and choose >> which >> works best for you at any given time. >> >> I hope these suggestions and experiences help you and I apologize for the >> lengthy message. As you investigate which cane and technique(s) works >> best >> for you, I would like to leave you with this thought: take what you like >> and >> leave the rest. You will find that the NFB has many members with many >> beliefs about travel and about blindness in general. There will be some >> who >> will try to persuade you that their way is the only way to go. Don't let >> that dissuade you from doing your own exploration. Only you know what is >> best for you. With this in mind, I leave you to consider my thoughts and >> those of others, but decide for yourself. Good luck in this endeavor. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Patrick >> Bennet >> Sent: Sunday, January 19, 2014 3:50 PM >> To: patrick.bennet807 at gmail.com >> Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel >> >> Hey everyone, >> >> I just joined the list. I have some questions about cane travel and I >> hope >> you might be able to help me with this. Before I ask, I should probably >> explain. >> >> For years I received instruction in O&M through my school district. I was >> given a folding cane with a standard rolling tip, which seems to be >> pretty >> commonly ordered by most agencies and districts. I think they come from a >> place in Canada .... but don't quote me on that. That is what I've always >> been used to. They seem decent enough. >> >> But, I've read some online literature from the NFB about cane travel, >> including structured discovery (as opposed to routes) and a different >> kind >> of cane you use that is lighter an uses a metal tip. I've also heard >> about >> something called a rainshine tip. Maybe they are the same things. >> >> Anyway, I've always been taught to hold the cane with the palm of the >> hand >> over it, with the index finger pointing down the flat side. This allows >> the >> cane with a roller tip to stay on the ground, also called constant >> contact. >> Is this not correct? From what I've read on the NFB website, your canes >> have >> metal tips, which would seem harder to slide over rough or cracked areas >> but >> would give more feedback. I also read somewhere that the grip is supposed >> to >> be different. In short, I'm wondering what the differences and advantages >> are. If so, I'd like to learn more. I've already read that they are >> lighter. >> Do you use them or hold them differently with another grip? Can NFB canes >> take roller tips and use constant contact, and if not, why? Is there >> really >> that much of an advantage to a cane that doesn't fold? I'm curious to >> learn >> about the differences, because I've never heard about them otherwise. >> >> Thanks, >> Pat >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c >> om >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From kaybaycar at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 03:46:24 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 21:46:24 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: <7CAF0EFCE91545A8949F96F86BA64D2A@HP30910210001> References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> <7CAF0EFCE91545A8949F96F86BA64D2A@HP30910210001> Message-ID: I agree that the treatment of the blind stems from fear, pity, and disgust rather than hatred. I believe it is presumptuous of the blind community to compare our struggles to those of African Americans, but I do think that some of our ideals are the same. We just look at it through a different lenz. What about those blind people who are stuck in fear, afraid to leave their homes, apply for jobs, or do anything without assistance because they were raised or taught by the community that blindness equals helplessness. That, to me, is one of the saddest things about our struggles. On 1/23/14, melissa Green wrote: > very well said. > > best wishes, > Sincerely, > Melissa R Green > "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole > staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:22 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & > HisView of the U.S. Economy > > > I agree with all the points made here so far. Of course the > experiences we as blind people have had as a group pale in comparison > to the collective experiences of blacks in America, or countless other > ethnic groups throughout the world who have been subject to genocides, > slavery and other forms of dehumanizing treatment. However, I do think > that on the one-on-one level, in interactions between a single blind > person and a single sighted person, the experience on both sides is > quite similar to people's experiences in interracial interactions. > When somebody sees my cane and immediately makes assumptions about my > abilities, my intelligence, my personality, etc. without speaking to > me, I imagine that experience is quite similar to that of being judged > by racial stereotypes just because of one's skin color. On the other > side, too, members of majority groups, and sighted people, are often > concerned about how to treat us right, and sometimes they worry so > much that they come across as being more prejudiced. Dr. King's > speeches have resonated with me since I was a young child because I > could always relate to the aversive sense of being pre-judged by my > appearance and not the content of my character. > > Arielle > > On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi, >> Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, >> discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and >> comment >> >> on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, was >> >> a >> >> bit evil. >> >> Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and >> respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in society >> and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for granted >> the strides of integration he made now. >> >> I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement of >> Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. >> People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on >> being >> >> blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. >> >> I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly changing >> what it means to be blind. >> >> Ashley >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jamie Principato >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >> HisView of the U.S. Economy >> >> I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader >> context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of >> defacto >> >> discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find that >> it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black >> Americans back in the 60's. >> >> -Jamie >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: >>> >>> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks in >>> America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what >>> ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is >>> that >>> >>> he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America >>> primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you >>> read >>> >>> the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. >>> >>> At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >>>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>>> similar >>>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is true >>>> that >>>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>>> discrimination >>>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>>> would >>>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>>> employment >>>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly >>>> enjoyed >>>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>>> policies >>>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable populations. >>>> And >>>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this very >>>> same >>>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>>> to >>>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region >>>> traditionally >>>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>>> done. >>>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>>> that >>>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>>> the >>>> struggles of our African-American peers. >>>> >>>> Joe >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>> >>>> Visit my blog: >>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >>>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> list >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >>>> His >>>> View of the U.S. Economy >>>> >>>> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >>>> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >>>> >>>> >>>> you are always telling us to >>>> >>>> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed every >>>> day. >>>> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, >>>> we >>>> said, >>>> >>>> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >>>> association >>>> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the >>>> Negro >>>> >>>> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >>>> thousands >>>> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started >>>> taking >>>> >>>> ads >>>> >>>> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >>>> Breadbasket. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >>>> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >>>> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >>>> >>>> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >>>> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >>>> governmental employment and private industry. And while >>>> >>>> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >>>> to commend the men who have been working with it >>>> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >>>> >>>> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >>>> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >>>> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >>>> >>>> But here is the story that's not printed in the >>>> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >>>> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >>>> >>>> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >>>> Negro community every year. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >>>> gone national in the sense that we had a national >>>> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >>>> >>>> program, which you will hear more about. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >>>> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >>>> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >>>> >>>> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >>>> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >>>> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >>>> [applause], >>>> >>>> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >>>> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >>>> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >>>> >>>> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >>>> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >>>> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions >>>> throughout. >>>> >>>> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >>>> three years, we can build right here in the South >>>> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >>>> >>>> and with millions and millions of dollars in >>>> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now there are many other things that I could tell >>>> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >>>> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >>>> >>>> of which we can all be proud. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >>>> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >>>> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >>>> >>>> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >>>> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >>>> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >>>> >>>> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >>>> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >>>> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >>>> >>>> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >>>> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >>>> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >>>> >>>> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >>>> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >>>> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >>>> >>>> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >>>> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >>>> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >>>> >>>> America as a significant nation in international >>>> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >>>> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >>>> >>>> the richest, most powerful society in the history >>>> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so we still have a long, long way to go >>>> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >>>> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >>>> >>>> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >>>> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >>>> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >>>> >>>> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >>>> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >>>> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >>>> >>>> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >>>> village of America that revolution is still at >>>> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >>>> >>>> need some North Star to guide us into a future >>>> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >>>> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >>>> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >>>> >>>> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >>>> and representation declared that the Negro was >>>> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >>>> >>>> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >>>> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >>>> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >>>> >>>> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >>>> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >>>> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >>>> >>>> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >>>> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >>>> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >>>> >>>> that of whites; and there are twice as many >>>> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >>>> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In other spheres, the figures are equally >>>> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >>>> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >>>> >>>> receive substantially less money per student than >>>> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >>>> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >>>> >>>> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Where do we go from here? First, we must >>>> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >>>> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >>>> >>>> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >>>> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >>>> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >>>> >>>> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >>>> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >>>> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >>>> >>>> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >>>> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >>>> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >>>> >>>> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >>>> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >>>> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >>>> >>>> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >>>> has suggested that maybe the English language >>>> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >>>> >>>> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >>>> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >>>> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >>>> >>>> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >>>> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >>>> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >>>> >>>> personhood is as old as the earliest history >>>> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >>>> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >>>> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >>>> >>>> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >>>> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >>>> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >>>> >>>> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >>>> weapon against the long night of physical >>>> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >>>> >>>> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >>>> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >>>> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >>>> >>>> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >>>> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >>>> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >>>> >>>> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >>>> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >>>> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >>>> >>>> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >>>> however painful and exploited that history has >>>> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >>>> >>>> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >>>> the people who were so sinful to make me a >>>> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >>>> >>>> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >>>> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >>>> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >>>> >>>> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >>>> organize our strength in to economic and >>>> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >>>> >>>> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >>>> one of the great problems that the Negro >>>> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >>>> >>>> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >>>> Negro has been confined to a life of >>>> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >>>> >>>> the right to make decisions concerning his life >>>> and destiny he has been subject to the >>>> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >>>> >>>> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >>>> created by those who had power, both to confine >>>> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >>>> >>>> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >>>> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >>>> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >>>> >>>> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >>>> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >>>> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >>>> >>>> required to bring about social, political, and >>>> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >>>> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >>>> >>>> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >>>> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >>>> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >>>> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >>>> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >>>> >>>> with power if power is used correctly. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> You see, what happened is that some of our >>>> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >>>> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >>>> >>>> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >>>> opposites, so that love is identified with a >>>> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >>>> >>>> this misinterpretation that caused the >>>> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >>>> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >>>> >>>> this same misinterpretation which induced >>>> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >>>> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >>>> >>>> of love. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >>>> needed is a realization that power without love >>>> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >>>> >>>> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >>>> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >>>> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >>>> >>>> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >>>> this is what we must see as we move on. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >>>> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >>>> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >>>> >>>> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >>>> Americans to seek their goals through power >>>> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >>>> >>>> today to advocate for Negroes the same >>>> destructive and conscienceless power that they >>>> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >>>> >>>> immoral power with powerless morality which >>>> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >>>> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >>>> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >>>> >>>> the century this proposal would have been greeted >>>> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >>>> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >>>> >>>> status was considered the measure of the >>>> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >>>> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >>>> >>>> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >>>> come a long way in our understanding of human >>>> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >>>> >>>> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >>>> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >>>> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >>>> >>>> in constant or frequent unemployment against >>>> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >>>> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >>>> >>>> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >>>> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >>>> does not eliminate all poverty. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >>>> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >>>> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >>>> >>>> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >>>> position, we need to be concerned that the >>>> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >>>> >>>> that enhance the social good will have to be >>>> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >>>> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >>>> >>>> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> The fact is that the work which improves the >>>> condition of mankind, the work which extends >>>> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >>>> >>>> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >>>> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >>>> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >>>> >>>> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >>>> work that brings a security for its own sake and >>>> a state of society where want is abolished. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >>>> and we are likely to find that the problem of >>>> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >>>> >>>> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >>>> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >>>> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >>>> >>>> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >>>> disability, will have a greater effect on >>>> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >>>> >>>> in their struggle. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >>>> psychological changes inevitably will result from >>>> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >>>> >>>> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >>>> life are in his own hands, when he has the >>>> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >>>> >>>> knows that he has the means to seek >>>> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >>>> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >>>> >>>> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >>>> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >>>> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >>>> >>>> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >>>> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >>>> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >>>> >>>> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >>>> dollars to put God's children on their own two >>>> feet right here on earth. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >>>> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >>>> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >>>> >>>> justice has been tragically etched in all the >>>> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >>>> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >>>> >>>> I want to give the other side. There is something >>>> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >>>> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >>>> >>>> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >>>> within them, you perceive a desire for >>>> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >>>> riot and the other riots in various cities >>>> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >>>> >>>> this view always end up with stumbling words when >>>> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >>>> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >>>> >>>> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >>>> government officials and a few water sprinklers >>>> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >>>> >>>> the food in the prison while the people remain >>>> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >>>> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >>>> >>>> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >>>> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >>>> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >>>> >>>> racist state and local governments and they talk >>>> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >>>> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >>>> >>>> a government by violence unless the government >>>> had already lost the allegiance and effective >>>> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >>>> >>>> that this will not happen in the United States. >>>> In a violent racial situation, the power >>>> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >>>> >>>> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >>>> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >>>> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >>>> >>>> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >>>> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >>>> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >>>> >>>> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >>>> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >>>> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >>>> >>>> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >>>> the part of American blacks would find no >>>> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >>>> >>>> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >>>> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >>>> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >>>> >>>> for change, a tactical program that will bring >>>> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >>>> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >>>> >>>> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >>>> this we will end up with solutions that don't >>>> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >>>> >>>> explain. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >>>> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >>>> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >>>> >>>> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >>>> country. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >>>> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >>>> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >>>> >>>> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >>>> can never advocate violence. For through violence >>>> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >>>> >>>> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >>>> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >>>> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >>>> >>>> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >>>> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >>>> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >>>> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >>>> >>>> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >>>> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >>>> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >>>> >>>> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >>>> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >>>> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >>>> >>>> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >>>> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >>>> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >>>> >>>> every time I see it, I know that it does >>>> something to their faces and their personalities, >>>> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >>>> >>>> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >>>> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >>>> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >>>> >>>> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >>>> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >>>> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >>>> >>>> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >>>> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >>>> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >>>> >>>> speech; but if you have not love, it means >>>> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >>>> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >>>> >>>> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >>>> molecules (All right); you may break into the >>>> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >>>> >>>> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >>>> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >>>> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >>>> >>>> of learning and the boundless extent of your >>>> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >>>> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >>>> >>>> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >>>> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >>>> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >>>> >>>> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >>>> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >>>> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >>>> >>>> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >>>> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >>>> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >>>> >>>> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >>>> that a man may be self-centered in his >>>> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >>>> >>>> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >>>> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >>>> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >>>> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >>>> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >>>> >>>> address itself to the question of restructuring >>>> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >>>> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >>>> >>>> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >>>> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >>>> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >>>> >>>> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >>>> When you ask that question, you begin to question >>>> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >>>> >>>> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >>>> questions about the whole society. We are called >>>> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >>>> >>>> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >>>> edifice which produces beggars needs >>>> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >>>> >>>> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >>>> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >>>> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >>>> >>>> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >>>> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >>>> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >>>> >>>> that must be said. (All right) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >>>> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >>>> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >>>> >>>> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >>>> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >>>> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >>>> >>>> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >>>> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >>>> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >>>> >>>> but he left out his idealism and his >>>> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >>>> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and made >>>> >>>> it into a system that he called "dialectical >>>> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >>>> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >>>> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >>>> >>>> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >>>> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >>>> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >>>> >>>> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >>>> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >>>> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >>>> >>>> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >>>> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >>>> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >>>> >>>> evils that are interrelated. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >>>> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >>>> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >>>> >>>> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >>>> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >>>> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >>>> >>>> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >>>> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >>>> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >>>> >>>> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >>>> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >>>> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >>>> >>>> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >>>> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >>>> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >>>> >>>> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >>>> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >>>> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >>>> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >>>> >>>> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >>>> will exploit them and poor people generally >>>> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >>>> >>>> will have to have foreign investments and >>>> everything else, and it will have to use its >>>> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied >>>> together. >>>> >>>> (Yes) [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >>>> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >>>> (Oh >>>> yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >>>> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >>>> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. >>>> (All >>>> right) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >>>> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >>>> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >>>> >>>> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >>>> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >>>> security. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >>>> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >>>> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >>>> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >>>> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >>>> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >>>> participate in the beauty of diversity. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >>>> women, however black they may be, will be judged >>>> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >>>> >>>> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >>>> [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >>>> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >>>> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >>>> >>>> with his God. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >>>> every city hall, justice will roll down like >>>> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >>>> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >>>> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >>>> >>>> tree, and none shall be afraid. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >>>> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >>>> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >>>> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >>>> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >>>> >>>> power and human power. [applause] >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >>>> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >>>> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >>>> >>>> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >>>> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >>>> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >>>> >>>> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >>>> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >>>> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >>>> >>>> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >>>> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >>>> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >>>> >>>> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >>>> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >>>> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >>>> >>>> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >>>> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >>>> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >>>> >>>> Johnson (Yes): >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >>>> >>>> Bitter the chastening rod >>>> >>>> Felt in the days >>>> >>>> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >>>> >>>> Yet with a steady beat, >>>> >>>> Have not our weary feet >>>> >>>> Come to the place >>>> >>>> For which our fathers sighed? >>>> >>>> We have come over a way >>>> >>>> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >>>> >>>> We have come treading our paths >>>> >>>> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >>>> >>>> Out from the gloomy past, >>>> >>>> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >>>> >>>> Where the bright gleam >>>> >>>> Of our bright star is cast. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >>>> It will give us the courage to face the >>>> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >>>> >>>> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >>>> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >>>> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >>>> >>>> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >>>> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >>>> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >>>> >>>> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >>>> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >>>> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >>>> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >>>> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >>>> >>>> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >>>> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >>>> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >>>> >>>> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >>>> for the future, and with this faith we will be >>>> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >>>> >>>> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >>>> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >>>> [applause] >>>> >>>> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>>> >Tyler, >>>> > >>>> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because >>>> > you >>>> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward >>>> > to >>>> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. >>>> > It >>>> took >>>> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >>>> >every >>>> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better >>>> >luck >>>> > >>>> >in >>>> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the federal >>>> >government. You'd think government would be the most >>>> > disability-friendly >>>> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >>>> > >>>> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >>>> >fact >>>> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe >>>> > string >>>> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >>>> >with >>>> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and prejudices >>>> >at >>>> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up >>>> >for >>>> > >>>> >an >>>> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I >>>> > was >>>> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some of >>>> these >>>> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on the >>>> >next >>>> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to >>>> > provide >>>> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that do >>>> >not >>>> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten >>>> > other >>>> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >>>> > >>>> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >>>> >compelling >>>> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the >>>> > other >>>> post >>>> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >>>> >that >>>> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >>>> >left >>>> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>>> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly >>>> > unemployed, >>>> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>>> >frustration it conjures. >>>> > >>>> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>>> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will >>>> > help >>>> > >>>> >you >>>> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >>>> >suit >>>> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic >>>> > could >>>> have >>>> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >>>> >references >>>> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find jobs >>>> >on >>>> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking for >>>> >jobs >>>> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is >>>> > an >>>> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >>>> >government >>>> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. >>>> > Social >>>> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more >>>> > than >>>> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >>>> that's >>>> >economics. >>>> > >>>> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >>>> >own >>>> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, >>>> > an >>>> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >>>> > >>>> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people >>>> > find >>>> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >>>> >disservice >>>> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>>> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed >>>> > to >>>> hard >>>> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >>>> position. >>>> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >>>> >Never >>>> >again. >>>> > >>>> >Joe >>>> > >>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>>> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>>> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>> >list >>>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >>>> > >>>> >Joe: >>>> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people are >>>> >not >>>> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >>>> >working >>>> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what scholarships >>>> >do >>>> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >>>> >should >>>> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very >>>> > flawed. >>>> You >>>> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >>>> >economy, >>>> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >>>> >who >>>> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>>> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >>>> >hurtles >>>> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically >>>> > I'm >>>> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting >>>> > about >>>> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs >>>> > (even >>>> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable >>>> > position >>>> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >>>> >applying >>>> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal >>>> > resources. >>>> > >>>> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>>> > > Tyler, >>>> > > >>>> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills >>>> > > is >>>> > > >>>> > > a >>>> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not >>>> > > belittling >>>> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >>>> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you >>>> > > set >>>> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >>>> > > which >>>> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where >>>> > > service >>>> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >>>> > > You'll >>>> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >>>> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum >>>> > > you >>>> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick >>>> > > up >>>> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need >>>> > > to >>>> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >>>> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is that >>>> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time >>>> > > to >>>> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net will >>>> > > drop >>>> >out from under you. >>>> > > >>>> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me >>>> > > to >>>> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >>>> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >>>> > > >>>> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >>>> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >>>> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >>>> > > more >>>> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim job >>>> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >>>> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy >>>> > > is >>>> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >>>> > > better. >>>> > > >>>> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before we >>>> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began >>>> > > with >>>> > > >>>> > > a >>>> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and while >>>> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >>>> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow >>>> > > grease >>>> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >>>> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and >>>> > > said, >>>> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>>> >organization we have today. >>>> > > >>>> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >>>> > > sincerity. >>>> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement >>>> > > and >>>> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done a >>>> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >>>> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too >>>> > > hard >>>> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >>>> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >>>> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >>>> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest to >>>> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are >>>> > > you >>>> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer no >>>> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >>>> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >>>> confused >>>> >by your logic. >>>> > > >>>> > > Bridgit, >>>> > > >>>> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would >>>> > > be >>>> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I >>>> > > think >>>> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether >>>> > > the >>>> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring >>>> > > to >>>> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to >>>> > > easily >>>> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to be >>>> > > a >>>> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it >>>> > > possible? >>>> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >>>> suited >>>> >for my skills than others. >>>> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, >>>> > > and >>>> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration >>>> > > of >>>> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the Internet >>>> > > of >>>> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our >>>> > > generation >>>> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight >>>> > > against >>>> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to >>>> > > get >>>> > > >>>> > > the >>>> >work done. >>>> > > >>>> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to think >>>> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in it. >>>> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside of >>>> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well have >>>> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >>>> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >>>> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a gap >>>> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really passionate >>>> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >>>> > > education >>>> >program. >>>> > > >>>> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >>>> > > going >>>> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >>>> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >>>> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if >>>> > > the >>>> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >>>> > > being >>>> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, male, >>>> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >>>> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >>>> > > >>>> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >>>> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running a >>>> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time management, >>>> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >>>> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >>>> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >>>> > > others >>>> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every >>>> > > employer >>>> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >>>> > > >>>> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. >>>> > > There >>>> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >>>> > > listen >>>> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >>>> > > the >>>> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused of >>>> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's very >>>> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the >>>> > > dumps >>>> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >>>> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >>>> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being >>>> > > blind >>>> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >>>> > > >>>> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >>>> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution to >>>> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >>>> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >>>> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >>>> > > separating >>>> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >>>> > > makes >>>> >you better. >>>> > > >>>> > > To your success, >>>> > > >>>> > > Joe >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> > > for >>>> >nabs-l: >>>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>>> > > com >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >-- >>>> >Take care, >>>> >Ty >>>> >http://tds-solutions.net >>>> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >>>> > he >>>> that >>>> >dares not reason is a slave. >>>> > >>>> > >>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>> >nabs-l mailing list >>>> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >>>> net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 03:58:27 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 20:58:27 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & HisView of the U.S. Economy In-Reply-To: References: <001e01cee19b$4afce030$e0f6a090$@gmail.com> <005801cee215$77525c80$df1fbf48@yourfsyly0jtwn> <00b101cee224$fb60fae0$f222f0a0$@gmail.com> <52865AA0.5010908@tysdomain.com> <00a201cee282$7061da50$51258ef0$@gmail.com> <5288F80A.2050800@tysdomain.com> <006901cee3ea$81e0d150$85a273f0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140119213532.05871fd8@comcast.net> <000801cf1604$c9091690$5b1b43b0$@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140120125859.0b81b9f0@comcast.net> <7145AA807A5041C4BF9C116BD647EB33@OwnerPC> <7CAF0EFCE91545A8949F96F86BA64D2A@HP30910210001> Message-ID: Yes, and I think there's also the fact that many of us don't share blindness with our families, but most African Americans share their race with their families. The messages we get from our families that trap us in fear and passivity are a major part of our collective struggle. Of course, racial minorities experience similar messages from the broader community, but at least they can turn to their families for support and nullification of the stereotypes to which they are subjected. Arielle On 1/23/14, Julie McGinnity wrote: > I agree that the treatment of the blind stems from fear, pity, and > disgust rather than hatred. I believe it is presumptuous of the blind > community to compare our struggles to those of African Americans, but > I do think that some of our ideals are the same. We just look at it > through a different lenz. > > What about those blind people who are stuck in fear, afraid to leave > their homes, apply for jobs, or do anything without assistance because > they were raised or taught by the community that blindness equals > helplessness. That, to me, is one of the saddest things about our > struggles. > > On 1/23/14, melissa Green wrote: >> very well said. >> >> best wishes, >> Sincerely, >> Melissa R Green >> "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole >> staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Arielle Silverman" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 6:22 PM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >> HisView of the U.S. Economy >> >> >> I agree with all the points made here so far. Of course the >> experiences we as blind people have had as a group pale in comparison >> to the collective experiences of blacks in America, or countless other >> ethnic groups throughout the world who have been subject to genocides, >> slavery and other forms of dehumanizing treatment. However, I do think >> that on the one-on-one level, in interactions between a single blind >> person and a single sighted person, the experience on both sides is >> quite similar to people's experiences in interracial interactions. >> When somebody sees my cane and immediately makes assumptions about my >> abilities, my intelligence, my personality, etc. without speaking to >> me, I imagine that experience is quite similar to that of being judged >> by racial stereotypes just because of one's skin color. On the other >> side, too, members of majority groups, and sighted people, are often >> concerned about how to treat us right, and sometimes they worry so >> much that they come across as being more prejudiced. Dr. King's >> speeches have resonated with me since I was a young child because I >> could always relate to the aversive sense of being pre-judged by my >> appearance and not the content of my character. >> >> Arielle >> >> On 1/20/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Right Jamie, I saw the speech in that context; about injustice, >>> discrimination, and struggles in general. I won't get political and >>> comment >>> >>> on MLK's view of capitalism though; however, he did argue, capitalism, >>> was >>> >>> a >>> >>> bit evil. >>> >>> Anyway, while I do not mesh with all his left wing views, I do honor and >>> respect Dr. King. He did make strides to break down separation in >>> society >>> and get people to see blacks as equal people. I think we take for >>> granted >>> the strides of integration he made now. >>> >>> I do see parallels to our civil rights movement and the black movement >>> of >>> Dr. King. We are all striving for equality and first class citizenship. >>> People judged them just for being black, and people judge us based on >>> being >>> >>> blind or having a symbol of blindness like a cane. >>> >>> I am glad that societal attitudes are changing and we are slowly >>> changing >>> what it means to be blind. >>> >>> Ashley >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Jamie Principato >>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 5:06 PM >>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence & >>> HisView of the U.S. Economy >>> >>> I tend to agree with Robin here. If you read the speech in the broader >>> context of discrimination against any person, especially the sort of >>> defacto >>> >>> discrimination that effects all blind people in effect, you'll find >>> that >>> it's message is equally relevant to our cause today as it was to Black >>> Americans back in the 60's. >>> >>> -Jamie >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 20, 2014, at 2:04 PM, Robin wrote: >>>> >>>> Martin Luther King JR. in this speech was NOT focusing just on Blacks >>>> in >>>> America, he was focusing on injustice for Poor People no matter what >>>> ethnic group they belonged to. What I was trying to say on MLK Day is >>>> that >>>> >>>> he felt capitalism was NOT a sufficient economic system for America >>>> primarily because it left people out in the cold. I suggest that you >>>> read >>>> >>>> the MLK 1967 "Where do we go from here" speech again. >>>> >>>> At 09:26 AM 1/20/2014, you wrote: >>>>> Anyone who thinks the struggles of the collective blind are remotely >>>>> similar >>>>> to the struggles of African-Americans is severely misguided. It is >>>>> true >>>>> that >>>>> blind people are discriminated for being perceived as helpless, but >>>>> African-Americans face, and in some cases continue to face, >>>>> discrimination >>>>> for being thought of as less than human. I think Martin Luther King >>>>> would >>>>> have appreciated laws that would have protected his people from >>>>> employment >>>>> discrimination. I think he would have loved laws that intercede in the >>>>> interest of a child's equal educational opportunities. We may not have >>>>> always counted on Braille bathroom labels, but we have certainly >>>>> enjoyed >>>>> equal access to them. Similarly, we may not count on these laws and >>>>> policies >>>>> always working, but the privileges we enjoy have always surpassed the >>>>> disadvantages of a lot of other underserved and vulnerable >>>>> populations. >>>>> And >>>>> yet, despite the challenges African-Americans faced, MLK used this >>>>> very >>>>> same >>>>> speech you share to promote the hard work African-Americans were doing >>>>> to >>>>> build housing and create jobs throughout a troubled region >>>>> traditionally >>>>> rallied against them. If anything, you prove the point that it can be >>>>> done. >>>>> It seems grossly incompetent to pretend the challenges of a population >>>>> that >>>>> can receive monthly checks, special transportation, special hiring >>>>> authorities, and in some cases free college tuition are anything like >>>>> the >>>>> struggles of our African-American peers. >>>>> >>>>> Joe >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>>>> >>>>> Visit my blog: >>>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: Robin [mailto:robin-melvin at comcast.net] >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 12:38 AM >>>>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy & MLK JR. Rememberence >>>>> & >>>>> His >>>>> View of the U.S. Economy >>>>> >>>>> In the words of the GREAT Martin luther King JR. >>>>> (MLK JR.), I give you this as my response to your EMAIL post. Read it. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> you are always telling us to >>>>> >>>>> lift ourselves by our own bootstraps, and yet we are being robbed >>>>> every >>>>> day. >>>>> Put something back in the ghetto." So along with our demand for jobs, >>>>> we >>>>> said, >>>>> >>>>> "We also demand that you put money in the Negro savings and loan >>>>> association >>>>> and that you take ads, advertise, in the Cleveland Call & Post, the >>>>> Negro >>>>> >>>>> newspaper." So along with the new jobs, Sealtest has now deposited >>>>> thousands >>>>> of dollars in the Negro bank of Cleveland and has already started >>>>> taking >>>>> >>>>> ads >>>>> >>>>> in the Negro newspaper in that city. This is the power of Operation >>>>> Breadbasket. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, for fear that you may feel that it's limited >>>>> to Chicago and Cleveland, let me say to you that >>>>> we've gotten even more than that. In Atlanta, Georgia, >>>>> >>>>> Breadbasket has been equally successful in the >>>>> South. Here the emphasis has been divided between >>>>> governmental employment and private industry. And while >>>>> >>>>> I do not have time to go into the details, I want >>>>> to commend the men who have been working with it >>>>> here: the Reverend Bennett, the Reverend Joe Boone, >>>>> >>>>> the Reverend J. C. Ward, Reverend Dorsey, >>>>> Reverend Greer, and I could go on down the line, >>>>> and they have stood up along with all of the other ministers. >>>>> >>>>> But here is the story that's not printed in the >>>>> newspapers in Atlanta: as a result of Operation >>>>> Breadbasket, over the last three years, we have added about >>>>> >>>>> twenty-five million dollars of new income to the >>>>> Negro community every year. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now as you know, Operation Breadbasket has now >>>>> gone national in the sense that we had a national >>>>> conference in Chicago and agreed to launch a nationwide >>>>> >>>>> program, which you will hear more about. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Finally, SCLC has entered the field of housing. >>>>> Under the leadership of attorney James Robinson, >>>>> we have already contracted to build 152 units of low-income >>>>> >>>>> housing with apartments for the elderly on a >>>>> choice downtown Atlanta site under the >>>>> sponsorship of Ebenezer Baptist Church. This is the first project >>>>> [applause], >>>>> >>>>> this is the first project of a proposed southwide >>>>> Housing Development Corporation which we hope to >>>>> develop in conjunction with SCLC, and through this corporation >>>>> >>>>> we hope to build housing from Mississippi to >>>>> North Carolina using Negro workmen, Negro >>>>> architects, Negro attorneys, and Negro financial institutions >>>>> throughout. >>>>> >>>>> And it is our feeling that in the next two or >>>>> three years, we can build right here in the South >>>>> forty million dollars worth of new housing for Negroes, >>>>> >>>>> and with millions and millions of dollars in >>>>> income coming to the Negro community. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now there are many other things that I could tell >>>>> you, but time is passing. This, in short, is an >>>>> account of SCLC's work over the last year. It is a record >>>>> >>>>> of which we can all be proud. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> With all the struggle and all the achievements, >>>>> we must face the fact, however, that the Negro >>>>> still lives in the basement of the Great Society. He is >>>>> >>>>> still at the bottom, despite the few who have >>>>> penetrated to slightly higher levels. Even where >>>>> the door has been forced partially open, mobility for the >>>>> >>>>> Negro is still sharply restricted. There is often >>>>> no bottom at which to start, and when there is >>>>> there's almost no room at the top. In consequence, Negroes >>>>> >>>>> are still impoverished aliens in an affluent >>>>> society. They are too poor even to rise with the >>>>> society, too impoverished by the ages to be able to ascend >>>>> >>>>> by using their own resources. And the Negro did >>>>> not do this himself; it was done to him. For more >>>>> than half of his American history, he was enslaved. Yet, >>>>> >>>>> he built the spanning bridges and the grand >>>>> mansions, the sturdy docks and stout factories of >>>>> the South. His unpaid labor made cotton "King" and established >>>>> >>>>> America as a significant nation in international >>>>> commerce. Even after his release from chattel >>>>> slavery, the nation grew over him, submerging him. It became >>>>> >>>>> the richest, most powerful society in the history >>>>> of man, but it left the Negro far behind. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so we still have a long, long way to go >>>>> before we reach the promised land of freedom. >>>>> Yes, we have left the dusty soils of Egypt, and we have crossed >>>>> >>>>> a Red Sea that had for years been hardened by a >>>>> long and piercing winter of massive resistance, >>>>> but before we reach the majestic shores of the promised >>>>> >>>>> land, there will still be gigantic mountains of >>>>> opposition ahead and prodigious hilltops of >>>>> injustice. (Yes, That's right) We still need some Paul Revere >>>>> >>>>> of conscience to alert every hamlet and every >>>>> village of America that revolution is still at >>>>> hand. Yes, we need a chart; we need a compass; indeed, we >>>>> >>>>> need some North Star to guide us into a future >>>>> shrouded with impenetrable uncertainties. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, in order to answer the question, "Where do >>>>> we go from here?" which is our theme, we must >>>>> first honestly recognize where we are now. When the Constitution >>>>> >>>>> was written, a strange formula to determine taxes >>>>> and representation declared that the Negro was >>>>> sixty percent of a person. Today another curious formula >>>>> >>>>> seems to declare he is fifty percent of a person. >>>>> Of the good things in life, the Negro has >>>>> approximately one half those of whites. Of the bad things of >>>>> >>>>> life, he has twice those of whites. Thus, half of >>>>> all Negroes live in substandard housing. And >>>>> Negroes have half the income of whites. When we turn to >>>>> >>>>> the negative experiences of life, the Negro has a >>>>> double share: There are twice as many unemployed; >>>>> the rate of infant mortality among Negroes is double >>>>> >>>>> that of whites; and there are twice as many >>>>> Negroes dying in Vietnam as whites in proportion >>>>> to their size in the population. (Yes) [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other spheres, the figures are equally >>>>> alarming. In elementary schools, Negroes lag one >>>>> to three years behind whites, and their segregated schools (Yeah) >>>>> >>>>> receive substantially less money per student than >>>>> the white schools. (Those schools) One-twentieth >>>>> as many Negroes as whites attend college. Of employed >>>>> >>>>> Negroes, seventy-five percent hold menial jobs. This is where we are. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Where do we go from here? First, we must >>>>> massively assert our dignity and worth. We must >>>>> stand up amid a system that still oppresses us and develop an >>>>> >>>>> unassailable and majestic sense of values. We >>>>> must no longer be ashamed of being black. (All >>>>> right) The job of arousing manhood within a people that have >>>>> >>>>> been taught for so many centuries that they are nobody is not easy. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Even semantics have conspired to make that which >>>>> is black seem ugly and degrading. (Yes) In >>>>> Roget's Thesaurus there are some 120 synonyms for blackness >>>>> >>>>> and at least sixty of them are offensive, such >>>>> words as blot, soot, grim, devil, and foul. And >>>>> there are some 134 synonyms for whiteness and all are favorable, >>>>> >>>>> expressed in such words as purity, cleanliness, >>>>> chastity, and innocence. A white lie is better >>>>> than a black lie. (Yes) The most degenerate member of a >>>>> >>>>> family is the "black sheep." (Yes) Ossie Davis >>>>> has suggested that maybe the English language >>>>> should be reconstructed so that teachers will not be forced >>>>> >>>>> to teach the Negro child sixty ways to despise >>>>> himself, and thereby perpetuate his false sense >>>>> of inferiority, and the white child 134 ways to adore himself, >>>>> >>>>> and thereby perpetuate his false sense of >>>>> superiority. [applause] The tendency to ignore >>>>> the Negro's contribution to American life and strip him of his >>>>> >>>>> personhood is as old as the earliest history >>>>> books and as contemporary as the morning's newspaper. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must >>>>> rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian >>>>> manhood. (Yes) Any movement for the Negro's freedom that >>>>> >>>>> overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be >>>>> buried. (Yes) As long as the mind is enslaved, >>>>> the body can never be free. (Yes) Psychological freedom, >>>>> >>>>> a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful >>>>> weapon against the long night of physical >>>>> slavery. No Lincolnian Emancipation Proclamation, no Johnsonian >>>>> >>>>> civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of >>>>> freedom. The Negro will only be free when he >>>>> reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs >>>>> >>>>> with the pen and ink of assertive manhood his own >>>>> emancipation proclamation. And with a spirit >>>>> straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly >>>>> >>>>> throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say >>>>> to himself and to the world, "I am somebody. (Oh >>>>> yeah) I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor. >>>>> >>>>> (Go ahead) I have a rich and noble history, >>>>> however painful and exploited that history has >>>>> been. Yes, I was a slave through my foreparents (That's right), >>>>> >>>>> and now I'm not ashamed of that. I'm ashamed of >>>>> the people who were so sinful to make me a >>>>> slave." (Yes sir) Yes [applause], yes, we must stand up and >>>>> >>>>> say, "I'm black (Yes sir), but I'm black and >>>>> beautiful." (Yes) This [applause], this >>>>> self-affirmation is the black man's need, made compelling (All right) >>>>> >>>>> by the white man's crimes against him. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now another basic challenge is to discover how to >>>>> organize our strength in to economic and >>>>> political power. Now no one can deny that the Negro is in dire >>>>> >>>>> need of this kind of legitimate power. Indeed, >>>>> one of the great problems that the Negro >>>>> confronts is his lack of power. From the old plantations of the >>>>> >>>>> South to the newer ghettos of the North, the >>>>> Negro has been confined to a life of >>>>> voicelessness (That's true) and powerlessness. (So true) Stripped of >>>>> >>>>> the right to make decisions concerning his life >>>>> and destiny he has been subject to the >>>>> authoritarian and sometimes whimsical decisions of the white power >>>>> >>>>> structure. The plantation and the ghetto were >>>>> created by those who had power, both to confine >>>>> those who had no power and to perpetuate their powerlessness. >>>>> >>>>> Now the problem of transforming the ghetto, >>>>> therefore, is a problem of power, a confrontation >>>>> between the forces of power demanding change and the forces >>>>> >>>>> of power dedicated to the preserving of the >>>>> status quo. Now, power properly understood is >>>>> nothing but the ability to achieve purpose. It is the strength >>>>> >>>>> required to bring about social, political, and >>>>> economic change. Walter Reuther defined power one >>>>> day. He said, "Power is the ability of a labor union like >>>>> >>>>> UAW to make the most powerful corporation in the >>>>> world, General Motors, say, 'Yes' when it wants >>>>> to say 'No.' That's power." [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now a lot of us are preachers, and all of us have >>>>> our moral convictions and concerns, and so often >>>>> we have problems with power. But there is nothing wrong >>>>> >>>>> with power if power is used correctly. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> You see, what happened is that some of our >>>>> philosophers got off base. And one of the great >>>>> problems of history is that the concepts of love and power have >>>>> >>>>> usually been contrasted as opposites, polar >>>>> opposites, so that love is identified with a >>>>> resignation of power, and power with a denial of love. It was >>>>> >>>>> this misinterpretation that caused the >>>>> philosopher Nietzsche, who was a philosopher of >>>>> the will to power, to reject the Christian concept of love. It was >>>>> >>>>> this same misinterpretation which induced >>>>> Christian theologians to reject Nietzsche's >>>>> philosophy of the will to power in the name of the Christian idea >>>>> >>>>> of love. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, we got to get this thing right. What is >>>>> needed is a realization that power without love >>>>> is reckless and abusive, and that love without power is sentimental >>>>> >>>>> and anemic. (Yes) Power at its best [applause], >>>>> power at its best is love (Yes) implementing the >>>>> demands of justice, and justice at its best is love correcting >>>>> >>>>> everything that stands against love. (Speak) And >>>>> this is what we must see as we move on. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now what has happened is that we've had it wrong >>>>> and mixed up in our country, and this has led >>>>> Negro Americans in the past to seek their goals through >>>>> >>>>> love and moral suasion devoid of power, and white >>>>> Americans to seek their goals through power >>>>> devoid of love and conscience. It is leading a few extremists >>>>> >>>>> today to advocate for Negroes the same >>>>> destructive and conscienceless power that they >>>>> have justly abhorred in whites. It is precisely this collision of >>>>> >>>>> immoral power with powerless morality which >>>>> constitutes the major crisis of our times. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now we must develop progress, or rather, a >>>>> program-and I can't stay on this long-that will >>>>> drive the nation to a guaranteed annual income. Now, early in >>>>> >>>>> the century this proposal would have been greeted >>>>> with ridicule and denunciation as destructive of >>>>> initiative and responsibility. At that time economic >>>>> >>>>> status was considered the measure of the >>>>> individual's abilities and talents. And in the >>>>> thinking of that day, the absence of worldly goods indicated a >>>>> >>>>> want of industrious habits and moral fiber. We've >>>>> come a long way in our understanding of human >>>>> motivation and of the blind operation of our economic system. >>>>> >>>>> Now we realize that dislocations in the market >>>>> operation of our economy and the prevalence of >>>>> discrimination thrust people into idleness and bind them >>>>> >>>>> in constant or frequent unemployment against >>>>> their will. The poor are less often dismissed, I >>>>> hope, from our conscience today by being branded as inferior >>>>> >>>>> and incompetent. We also know that no matter how >>>>> dynamically the economy develops and expands, it >>>>> does not eliminate all poverty. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The problem indicates that our emphasis must be >>>>> twofold: We must create full employment, or we >>>>> must create incomes. People must be made consumers by one >>>>> >>>>> method or the other. Once they are placed in this >>>>> position, we need to be concerned that the >>>>> potential of the individual is not wasted. New forms of work >>>>> >>>>> that enhance the social good will have to be >>>>> devised for those for whom traditional jobs are >>>>> not available. In 1879 Henry George anticipated this state >>>>> >>>>> of affairs when he wrote in Progress and Poverty: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> The fact is that the work which improves the >>>>> condition of mankind, the work which extends >>>>> knowledge and increases power and enriches literature and elevates >>>>> >>>>> thought, is not done to secure a living. It is >>>>> not the work of slaves driven to their tasks >>>>> either by the, that of a taskmaster or by animal necessities. >>>>> >>>>> It is the work of men who somehow find a form of >>>>> work that brings a security for its own sake and >>>>> a state of society where want is abolished. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Work of this sort could be enormously increased, >>>>> and we are likely to find that the problem of >>>>> housing, education, instead of preceding the elimination >>>>> >>>>> of poverty, will themselves be affected if >>>>> poverty is first abolished. The poor, transformed >>>>> into purchasers, will do a great deal on their own to alter >>>>> >>>>> housing decay. Negroes, who have a double >>>>> disability, will have a greater effect on >>>>> discrimination when they have the additional weapon of cash to use >>>>> >>>>> in their struggle. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Beyond these advantages, a host of positive >>>>> psychological changes inevitably will result from >>>>> widespread economic security. The dignity of the individual >>>>> >>>>> will flourish when the decisions concerning his >>>>> life are in his own hands, when he has the >>>>> assurance that his income is stable and certain, and when he >>>>> >>>>> knows that he has the means to seek >>>>> self-improvement. Personal conflicts between >>>>> husband, wife, and children will diminish when the unjust measurement >>>>> >>>>> of human worth on a scale of dollars is eliminated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, our country can do this. John Kenneth >>>>> Galbraith said that a guaranteed annual income >>>>> could be done for about twenty billion dollars a year. And I >>>>> >>>>> say to you today, that if our nation can spend >>>>> thirty-five billion dollars a year to fight an >>>>> unjust, evil war in Vietnam, and twenty billion dollars to >>>>> >>>>> put a man on the moon, it can spend billions of >>>>> dollars to put God's children on their own two >>>>> feet right here on earth. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, let me rush on to say we must reaffirm our >>>>> commitment to nonviolence. And I want to stress >>>>> this. The futility of violence in the struggle for racial >>>>> >>>>> justice has been tragically etched in all the >>>>> recent Negro riots. Now, yesterday, I tried to >>>>> analyze the riots and deal with the causes for them. Today >>>>> >>>>> I want to give the other side. There is something >>>>> painfully sad about a riot. One sees screaming >>>>> youngsters and angry adults fighting hopelessly and aimlessly >>>>> >>>>> against impossible odds. (Yeah) And deep down >>>>> within them, you perceive a desire for >>>>> self-destruction, a kind of suicidal longing. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Occasionally, Negroes contend that the 1965 Watts >>>>> riot and the other riots in various cities >>>>> represented effective civil rights action. But those who express >>>>> >>>>> this view always end up with stumbling words when >>>>> asked what concrete gains have been won as a >>>>> result. At best, the riots have produced a little additional >>>>> >>>>> anti-poverty money allotted by frightened >>>>> government officials and a few water sprinklers >>>>> to cool the children of the ghettos. It is something like improving >>>>> >>>>> the food in the prison while the people remain >>>>> securely incarcerated behind bars. (That's right) >>>>> Nowhere have the riots won any concrete improvement such >>>>> >>>>> as have the organized protest demonstrations. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And when one tries to pin down advocates of >>>>> violence as to what acts would be effective, the >>>>> answers are blatantly illogical. Sometimes they talk of overthrowing >>>>> >>>>> racist state and local governments and they talk >>>>> about guerrilla warfare. They fail to see that no >>>>> internal revolution has ever succeeded in overthrowing >>>>> >>>>> a government by violence unless the government >>>>> had already lost the allegiance and effective >>>>> control of its armed forces. Anyone in his right mind knows >>>>> >>>>> that this will not happen in the United States. >>>>> In a violent racial situation, the power >>>>> structure has the local police, the state troopers, the National >>>>> >>>>> Guard, and finally, the army to call on, all of >>>>> which are predominantly white. (Yes) Furthermore, >>>>> few, if any, violent revolutions have been successful >>>>> >>>>> unless the violent minority had the sympathy and >>>>> support of the non-resisting majority. Castro may >>>>> have had only a few Cubans actually fighting with him >>>>> >>>>> and up in the hills (Yes), but he would have >>>>> never overthrown the Batista regime unless he had >>>>> had the sympathy of the vast majority of Cuban people. It >>>>> >>>>> is perfectly clear that a violent revolution on >>>>> the part of American blacks would find no >>>>> sympathy and support from the white population and very little >>>>> >>>>> from the majority of the Negroes themselves. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> This is no time for romantic illusions and empty >>>>> philosophical debates about freedom. This is a >>>>> time for action. (All right) What is needed is a strategy >>>>> >>>>> for change, a tactical program that will bring >>>>> the Negro into the mainstream of American life as >>>>> quickly as possible. So far, this has only been offered >>>>> >>>>> by the nonviolent movement. Without recognizing >>>>> this we will end up with solutions that don't >>>>> solve, answers that don't answer, and explanations that don't >>>>> >>>>> explain. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so I say to you today that I still stand by >>>>> nonviolence. (Yes) And I am still convinced >>>>> [applause], and I'm still convinced that it is the most potent >>>>> >>>>> weapon available to the Negro in his struggle for justice in this >>>>> country. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And the other thing is, I'm concerned about a >>>>> better world. I'm concerned about justice; I'm >>>>> concerned about brotherhood; I'm concerned about truth. (That's >>>>> >>>>> right) And when one is concerned about that, he >>>>> can never advocate violence. For through violence >>>>> you may murder a murderer, but you can't murder murder. >>>>> >>>>> (Yes) Through violence you may murder a liar, but >>>>> you can't establish truth. (That's right) Through >>>>> violence you may murder a hater, but you can't murder >>>>> >>>>> hate through violence. (All right, That's right) >>>>> Darkness cannot put out darkness; only light can do that. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And I say to you, I have also decided to stick >>>>> with love, for I know that love is ultimately the >>>>> only answer to mankind's problems. (Yes) And I'm going >>>>> >>>>> to talk about it everywhere I go. I know it isn't >>>>> popular to talk about it in some circles today. >>>>> (No) And I'm not talking about emotional bosh when I >>>>> >>>>> talk about love; I'm talking about a strong, >>>>> demanding love. (Yes) For I have seen too much >>>>> hate. (Yes) I've seen too much hate on the faces of sheriffs >>>>> >>>>> in the South. (Yeah) I've seen hate on the faces >>>>> of too many Klansmen and too many White Citizens >>>>> Councilors in the South to want to hate, myself, because >>>>> >>>>> every time I see it, I know that it does >>>>> something to their faces and their personalities, >>>>> and I say to myself that hate is too great a burden to bear. >>>>> >>>>> (Yes, That's right) I have decided to love. >>>>> [applause] If you are seeking the highest good, I >>>>> think you can find it through love. And the beautiful thing >>>>> >>>>> is that we aren't moving wrong when we do it, >>>>> because John was right, God is love. (Yes) He who >>>>> hates does not know God, but he who loves has the key that >>>>> >>>>> unlocks the door to the meaning of ultimate reality. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so I say to you today, my friends, that you >>>>> may be able to speak with the tongues of men and >>>>> angels (All right); you may have the eloquence of articulate >>>>> >>>>> speech; but if you have not love, it means >>>>> nothing. (That's right) Yes, you may have the >>>>> gift of prophecy; you may have the gift of scientific prediction >>>>> >>>>> (Yes sir) and understand the behavior of >>>>> molecules (All right); you may break into the >>>>> storehouse of nature (Yes sir) and bring forth many new insights; >>>>> >>>>> yes, you may ascend to the heights of academic >>>>> achievement (Yes sir) so that you have all >>>>> knowledge (Yes sir, Yes); and you may boast of your great institutions >>>>> >>>>> of learning and the boundless extent of your >>>>> degrees; but if you have not love, all of these >>>>> mean absolutely nothing. (Yes) You may even give your goods >>>>> >>>>> to feed the poor (Yes sir); you may bestow great >>>>> gifts to charity (Speak); and you may tower high >>>>> in philanthropy; but if you have not love, your charity >>>>> >>>>> means nothing. (Yes sir) You may even give your >>>>> body to be burned and die the death of a martyr, >>>>> and your spilt blood may be a symbol of honor for generations >>>>> >>>>> yet unborn, and thousands may praise you as one >>>>> of history's greatest heroes; but if you have not >>>>> love (Yes, All right), your blood was spilt in vain. >>>>> >>>>> What I'm trying to get you to see this morning is >>>>> that a man may be self-centered in his >>>>> self-denial and self-righteous in his self-sacrifice. His generosity >>>>> >>>>> may feed his ego, and his piety may feed his >>>>> pride. (Speak) So without love, benevolence >>>>> becomes egotism, and martyrdom becomes spiritual pride. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I want to say to you as I move to my conclusion, >>>>> as we talk about "Where do we go from here?" that >>>>> we must honestly face the fact that the movement must >>>>> >>>>> address itself to the question of restructuring >>>>> the whole of American society. (Yes) There are >>>>> forty million poor people here, and one day we must ask >>>>> >>>>> the question, "Why are there forty million poor >>>>> people in America?" And when you begin to ask >>>>> that question, you are raising a question about the economic >>>>> >>>>> system, about a broader distribution of wealth. >>>>> When you ask that question, you begin to question >>>>> the capitalistic economy. (Yes) And I'm simply saying >>>>> >>>>> that more and more, we've got to begin to ask >>>>> questions about the whole society. We are called >>>>> upon to help the discouraged beggars in life's marketplace. >>>>> >>>>> (Yes) But one day we must come to see that an >>>>> edifice which produces beggars needs >>>>> restructuring. (All right) It means that questions must be raised. And >>>>> >>>>> you see, my friends, when you deal with this you >>>>> begin to ask the question, "Who owns the oil?" >>>>> (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Who owns the iron >>>>> >>>>> ore?" (Yes) You begin to ask the question, "Why >>>>> is it that people have to pay water bills in a >>>>> world that's two-thirds water?" (All right) These are words >>>>> >>>>> that must be said. (All right) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Now, don't think you have me in a bind today. I'm >>>>> not talking about communism. What I'm talking >>>>> about is far beyond communism. (Yeah) My inspiration didn't >>>>> >>>>> come from Karl Marx (Speak); my inspiration >>>>> didn't come from Engels; my inspiration didn't >>>>> come from Trotsky; my inspiration didn't come from Lenin. Yes, >>>>> >>>>> I read Communist Manifesto and Das Kapital a long >>>>> time ago (Well), and I saw that maybe Marx didn't >>>>> follow Hegel enough. (All right) He took his dialectics, >>>>> >>>>> but he left out his idealism and his >>>>> spiritualism. And he went over to a German >>>>> philosopher by the name of Feuerbach, and took his materialism and >>>>> made >>>>> >>>>> it into a system that he called "dialectical >>>>> materialism." (Speak) I have to reject that. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I'm saying to you this morning is communism >>>>> forgets that life is individual. (Yes) Capitalism >>>>> forgets that life is social. (Yes, Go ahead) And the >>>>> >>>>> kingdom of brotherhood is found neither in the >>>>> thesis of communism nor the antithesis of >>>>> capitalism, but in a higher synthesis. (Speak) [applause] It is >>>>> >>>>> found in a higher synthesis (Come on) that >>>>> combines the truths of both. (Yes) Now, when I >>>>> say questioning the whole society, it means ultimately coming >>>>> >>>>> to see that the problem of racism, the problem of >>>>> economic exploitation, and the problem of war are >>>>> all tied together. (All right) These are the triple >>>>> >>>>> evils that are interrelated. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And if you will let me be a preacher just a >>>>> little bit. (Speak) One day [applause], one >>>>> night, a juror came to Jesus (Yes sir) and he wanted to know what >>>>> >>>>> he could do to be saved. (Yeah) Jesus didn't get >>>>> bogged down on the kind of isolated approach of >>>>> what you shouldn't do. Jesus didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, >>>>> >>>>> you must stop lying." (Oh yeah) He didn't say, >>>>> "Nicodemus, now you must not commit adultery." He >>>>> didn't say, "Now Nicodemus, you must stop cheating if >>>>> >>>>> you are doing that." He didn't say, "Nicodemus, >>>>> you must stop drinking liquor if you are doing >>>>> that excessively." He said something altogether different, >>>>> >>>>> because Jesus realized something basic (Yes): >>>>> that if a man will lie, he will steal. (Yes) And >>>>> if a man will steal, he will kill. (Yes) So instead of just >>>>> >>>>> getting bogged down on one thing, Jesus looked at >>>>> him and said, "Nicodemus, you must be born again." [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> In other words, "Your whole structure (Yes) must >>>>> be changed." [applause] A nation that will keep >>>>> people in slavery for 244 years will "thingify" them and >>>>> >>>>> make them things. (Speak) And therefore, they >>>>> will exploit them and poor people generally >>>>> economically. (Yes) And a nation that will exploit economically >>>>> >>>>> will have to have foreign investments and >>>>> everything else, and it will have to use its >>>>> military might to protect them. All of these problems are tied >>>>> together. >>>>> >>>>> (Yes) [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> What I'm saying today is that we must go from >>>>> this convention and say, "America, you must be born again!" [applause] >>>>> (Oh >>>>> yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And so, I conclude by saying today that we have a >>>>> task, and let us go out with a divine dissatisfaction. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied until America will no >>>>> longer have a high blood pressure of creeds and an anemia of deeds. >>>>> (All >>>>> right) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the tragic >>>>> walls that separate the outer city of wealth and >>>>> comfort from the inner city of poverty and despair shall >>>>> >>>>> be crushed by the battering rams of the forces of justice. (Yes sir) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until those who live >>>>> on the outskirts of hope are brought into the metropolis of daily >>>>> security. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until slums are cast >>>>> into the junk heaps of history (Yes), and every >>>>> family will live in a decent, sanitary home. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until the dark >>>>> yesterdays of segregated schools will be >>>>> transformed into bright tomorrows of quality integrated education. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied until integration is not >>>>> seen as a problem but as an opportunity to >>>>> participate in the beauty of diversity. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (All right) until men and >>>>> women, however black they may be, will be judged >>>>> on the basis of the content of their character, not on >>>>> >>>>> the basis of the color of their skin. (Yeah) Let us be dissatisfied. >>>>> [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Well) until every state >>>>> capitol (Yes) will be housed by a governor who >>>>> will do justly, who will love mercy, and who will walk humbly >>>>> >>>>> with his God. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied [applause] until from >>>>> every city hall, justice will roll down like >>>>> waters, and righteousness like a mighty stream. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes) until that day when >>>>> the lion and the lamb shall lie down together >>>>> (Yes), and every man will sit under his own vine and fig >>>>> >>>>> tree, and none shall be afraid. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied (Yes), and men will >>>>> recognize that out of one blood (Yes) God made >>>>> all men to dwell upon the face of the earth. (Speak sir) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us be dissatisfied until that day when nobody >>>>> will shout, "White Power!" when nobody will >>>>> shout, "Black Power!" but everybody will talk about God's >>>>> >>>>> power and human power. [applause] >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> And I must confess, my friends (Yes sir), that >>>>> the road ahead will not always be smooth. (Yes) >>>>> There will still be rocky places of frustration (Yes) and >>>>> >>>>> meandering points of bewilderment. There will be >>>>> inevitable setbacks here and there. (Yes) And >>>>> there will be those moments when the buoyancy of hope will >>>>> >>>>> be transformed into the fatigue of despair. >>>>> (Well) Our dreams will sometimes be shattered and >>>>> our ethereal hopes blasted. (Yes) We may again, with tear-drenched >>>>> >>>>> eyes, have to stand before the bier of some >>>>> courageous civil rights worker whose life will be >>>>> snuffed out by the dastardly acts of bloodthirsty mobs. (Well) >>>>> >>>>> But difficult and painful as it is (Well), we >>>>> must walk on in the days ahead with an audacious >>>>> faith in the future. (Well) And as we continue our charted >>>>> >>>>> course, we may gain consolation from the words so >>>>> nobly left by that great black bard, who was also >>>>> a great freedom fighter of yesterday, James Weldon >>>>> >>>>> Johnson (Yes): >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Stony the road we trod (Yes), >>>>> >>>>> Bitter the chastening rod >>>>> >>>>> Felt in the days >>>>> >>>>> When hope unborn had died. (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> Yet with a steady beat, >>>>> >>>>> Have not our weary feet >>>>> >>>>> Come to the place >>>>> >>>>> For which our fathers sighed? >>>>> >>>>> We have come over a way >>>>> >>>>> That with tears has been watered. (Well) >>>>> >>>>> We have come treading our paths >>>>> >>>>> Through the blood of the slaughtered. >>>>> >>>>> Out from the gloomy past, >>>>> >>>>> Till now we stand at last (Yes) >>>>> >>>>> Where the bright gleam >>>>> >>>>> Of our bright star is cast. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let this affirmation be our ringing cry. (Well) >>>>> It will give us the courage to face the >>>>> uncertainties of the future. It will give our tired feet new strength >>>>> >>>>> as we continue our forward stride toward the city >>>>> of freedom. (Yes) When our days become dreary >>>>> with low-hovering clouds of despair (Well), and when our >>>>> >>>>> nights become darker than a thousand midnights >>>>> (Well), let us remember (Yes) that there is a >>>>> creative force in this universe working to pull down the gigantic >>>>> >>>>> mountains of evil (Well), a power that is able to >>>>> make a way out of no way (Yes) and transform dark >>>>> yesterdays into bright tomorrows. (Speak) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Let us realize that the arc of the moral universe >>>>> is long, but it bends toward justice. Let us >>>>> realize that William Cullen Bryant is right: "Truth, crushed >>>>> >>>>> to earth, will rise again." Let us go out >>>>> realizing that the Bible is right: "Be not >>>>> deceived. God is not mocked. (Oh yeah) Whatsoever a man soweth (Yes), >>>>> >>>>> that (Yes) shall he also reap." This is our hope >>>>> for the future, and with this faith we will be >>>>> able to sing in some not too distant tomorrow, with a cosmic >>>>> >>>>> past tense, "We have overcome! (Yes) We have >>>>> overcome! Deep in my heart, I did believe (Yes) we would overcome." >>>>> [applause] >>>>> >>>>> At 03:12 PM 11/17/2013, you wrote: >>>>> >Tyler, >>>>> > >>>>> >Are you saying my position in the government is comfortable because >>>>> > you >>>>> >think they hire anything off the street or because they bend backward >>>>> > to >>>>> >give you anything you need? You'd be sorely mistaken on both counts. >>>>> > It >>>>> took >>>>> >me years to get into an agency that only hires a couple hundred for >>>>> >every >>>>> >few thousand who apply, and as for accommodations, I had far better >>>>> >luck >>>>> > >>>>> >in >>>>> >the private sector getting what I need than I've gotten in the >>>>> > federal >>>>> >government. You'd think government would be the most >>>>> > disability-friendly >>>>> >employer. That's a knee slapper. >>>>> > >>>>> >I'm not sure why you would pretend to know my work history. I have in >>>>> >fact >>>>> >worked, and still work with, the same major corporations and shoe >>>>> > string >>>>> >businesses you reference. I honestly don't see where you were headed >>>>> >with >>>>> >that line of thinking. I've encountered the same biases and >>>>> > prejudices >>>>> >at >>>>> >employers large and small. I've even had experiences where I show up >>>>> >for >>>>> > >>>>> >an >>>>> >interview after being vetted and got turned away upon discovering I >>>>> > was >>>>> >blind. I could have developed some sort of a record for taking some >>>>> > of >>>>> these >>>>> >places to court, but instead I went back home and began working on >>>>> > the >>>>> >next >>>>> >batch of applications. The irony is that even now when I want to >>>>> > provide >>>>> >services for free as a philanthropic gesture, there are places that >>>>> > do >>>>> >not >>>>> >want the volunteer service. I keep looking, because there are ten >>>>> > other >>>>> >places that will gladly accept the free labor. >>>>> > >>>>> >You claim my bootstraps ideal is very, very flawed but give no >>>>> >compelling >>>>> >evidence proving it. You did not answer my direct question in the >>>>> > other >>>>> post >>>>> >about what alternative advice you would provide. I am left to assume >>>>> >that >>>>> >you have no answer, and that's okay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm >>>>> >left >>>>> >to gather you are young, still in school and can therefore not give >>>>> >concrete evidence to what it is like to be unemployed, truly >>>>> > unemployed, >>>>> >something I have been and can testify to the feeling of overbearing >>>>> >frustration it conjures. >>>>> > >>>>> >If some of us alumni come back to the list, it's to try to give you a >>>>> >glimpse of what waits for you and dispense proven advice that will >>>>> > help >>>>> > >>>>> >you >>>>> >get around the inevitable challenges. If my way of thinking does not >>>>> >suit >>>>> >you, I totally respect that, but don't fight the benefit my logic >>>>> > could >>>>> have >>>>> >on others. After all, I began this thread in direct response to >>>>> >references >>>>> >in the training center discussion to graduates who could not find >>>>> > jobs >>>>> >on >>>>> >account of the economy. That's one quick way to give up on looking >>>>> > for >>>>> >jobs >>>>> >and giving up on oneself. The suggestion that my style of thinking is >>>>> > an >>>>> >idealistic notion is laughable. Idealistic is putting faith in a >>>>> >government >>>>> >system that will not be able to sustain social benefits forever. >>>>> > Social >>>>> >Security is just one example of a benefit our generation will more >>>>> > than >>>>> >likely not be able to enjoy when we need it, and that's not ideology, >>>>> that's >>>>> >economics. >>>>> > >>>>> >I would argue the more you teach yourself to pull yourself up by your >>>>> >own >>>>> >bootstraps, the less dependent you will be on the whims of Congress, >>>>> > an >>>>> >employer, or your family. That's real independence. >>>>> > >>>>> >And, to those who are not doing what they can to help blind people >>>>> > find >>>>> >jobs, point me to them so's I can smack them about a bit! It's a >>>>> >disservice >>>>> >not to do what we can to help each other out, but I'll say this much >>>>> >speaking for myself, I only put my own neck out for people committed >>>>> > to >>>>> hard >>>>> >work. I've already been burned by someone I helped put into a good >>>>> position. >>>>> >It severely backfired and destroyed my reputation with that employer. >>>>> >Never >>>>> >again. >>>>> > >>>>> >Joe >>>>> > >>>>> >-----Original Message----- >>>>> >From: Littlefield, Tyler [mailto:tyler at tysdomain.com] >>>>> >Sent: Sunday, November 17, 2013 12:08 PM >>>>> >To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students >>>>> > mailing >>>>> >list >>>>> >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Stop Blaming the Economy >>>>> > >>>>> >Joe: >>>>> >Through this thread, my point hasn't been to say that blind people >>>>> > are >>>>> >not >>>>> >capable of working. In fact, if that were my stance I wouldn't be >>>>> >working >>>>> >through college right now, taking out loans to cover what >>>>> > scholarships >>>>> >do >>>>> >not. My point is to say that your conservative "I have a job and so >>>>> >should >>>>> >you--just pull yourself up by the bootstraps" ideal is very very >>>>> > flawed. >>>>> You >>>>> >began this thread initially complaining about people who blame the >>>>> >economy, >>>>> >to which I agreed partially and said that while there are some people >>>>> >who >>>>> >do, the economy makes it a lot harder to get jobs. It increases the >>>>> >difficulty for us as blind applicants because we already have other >>>>> >hurtles >>>>> >in the way--assistive technology, accomadations, etc etc. Basically >>>>> > I'm >>>>> >saying it's not quite as easy as you make it sound, while boasting >>>>> > about >>>>> >yourself and skills at the same time. Most people looking for jobs >>>>> > (even >>>>> >sighted people) will agree here. You hold a pretty comfortable >>>>> > position >>>>> >within the government, which I dare say is not really the same as >>>>> >applying >>>>> >to a huge corporation or even a smaller business with minimal >>>>> > resources. >>>>> > >>>>> >On 11/15/2013 11:15 PM, Joe wrote: >>>>> > > Tyler, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > The difficulty in finding clients for your web development skills >>>>> > > is >>>>> > > >>>>> > > a >>>>> > > marketing issue, not a general employment concern. I'm not >>>>> > > belittling >>>>> > > your frustration of finding customers, but hustling for clients is >>>>> > > part of the nature of an entrepreneur, regardless of whether you >>>>> > > set >>>>> > > up a full business or just sell yourself. Outside of Craigslist, >>>>> > > which >>>>> > > I would never recommend because of their general decline where >>>>> > > service >>>>> > > advertisement is concerned, I would look into Elance and Odesk. >>>>> > > You'll >>>>> > > need to be careful with clients interested in low bids over top >>>>> > > talent, but that's going to be true no matter what website forum >>>>> > > you >>>>> > > set up shop. You'll need to advertise across social networks, pick >>>>> > > up >>>>> > > the phone and make cold calls, and yes, in some cases you'll need >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > volunteer at first to prove your worth before someone hires you. >>>>> > > That's how I picked up Serotek as a client. The crazy thing is >>>>> > > that >>>>> > > even after you secure new business, you still need to devote time >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > marketing for more, because you never know when the safety net >>>>> > > will >>>>> > > drop >>>>> >out from under you. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I see you've set up a website, but it does nothing to motivate me >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > hire you as a developer. That's not a personal slam. It's candid >>>>> > > feedback from a prospective customer. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Finding business is a full-time job, and I understand if balancing >>>>> > > that with school is problematic at this stage of your life. But, >>>>> > > especially in your high demand field, more skill really does mean >>>>> > > more >>>>> > > job opportunities. Don't let the stupid media landscape of grim >>>>> > > job >>>>> > > statistics discourage you from pushing the kind of service you say >>>>> > > you're qualified to deliver. It's not what the rest of the economy >>>>> > > is >>>>> > > up to. It's about what Tyler can specifically help my company do >>>>> > > better. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Remember, blind people were finding and keeping jobs long before >>>>> > > we >>>>> > > had today's technological conveniences. The NFB operation began >>>>> > > with >>>>> > > >>>>> > > a >>>>> > > dozen blind people working with far less at our disposal, and >>>>> > > while >>>>> > > some would argue the NFB is different because it's a social cause, >>>>> > > it's because it was a social cause that it took grit and elbow >>>>> > > grease >>>>> > > to make it get off the ground. A nonprofit is a business like any >>>>> > > other, and if our past leaders had just crossed their arms and >>>>> > > said, >>>>> > > "Well, crap, I guess that's that," we would have never seen the >>>>> >organization we have today. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Before I move onto Bridgit, let me ask you something in all >>>>> > > sincerity. >>>>> > > I've now written half a dozen posts with optimistic encouragement >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > suggestions. You may not like my viewpoint, but I think I've done >>>>> > > a >>>>> > > fair job of backing up my assertions. What's your alternative? All >>>>> > > I've read from you is that the economy sucks, that jobs are too >>>>> > > hard >>>>> > > to get and that I'm basically delusional for thinking anything >>>>> > > different. Never mind that I and many others are the evidence that >>>>> > > disprove your gloom and doom way of thinking. Surely you are not >>>>> > > suggesting we are anomalies. So, tell us, what would you suggest >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > the struggling unemployed person who is desperate for a job? Are >>>>> > > you >>>>> > > basically saying to give up and it sucks to be you? If you offer >>>>> > > no >>>>> > > alternative, you're basically advocating for the status quo, and >>>>> > > you've already said the status quo is no good. So, I am genuinely >>>>> confused >>>>> >by your logic. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Bridgit, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > First, let's touch on the point about the number of jobs. It would >>>>> > > be >>>>> > > great if all the jobs we wanted were available where we live. I >>>>> > > think >>>>> > > we have to reach a point where it makes sense to question whether >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > area we live in is open to the kind of qualifications I can bring >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > the market. For example, I would not live in Maine and hope to >>>>> > > easily >>>>> > > break into screen writing, nor would it be as feasible for me to >>>>> > > be >>>>> > > a >>>>> > > rising star on Wall Street while living in Oklahoma. Is it >>>>> > > possible? >>>>> > > Anything's possible, but certain regions of the country are better >>>>> suited >>>>> >for my skills than others. >>>>> > > Grant writing is one service I offer as part of my side business, >>>>> > > and >>>>> > > I live in the perfect place for it given the highest concentration >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > nonprofits in the country. The persistent evolution of the >>>>> > > Internet >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > things will help bridge some of these gaps, but until our >>>>> > > generation >>>>> > > fully takes over the job market, we will still have to fight >>>>> > > against >>>>> > > outdated views that people need to be in a traditional office to >>>>> > > get >>>>> > > >>>>> > > the >>>>> >work done. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Second, to your point about qualifications, it makes sense to >>>>> > > think >>>>> > > through what it is we're studying in school before investing in >>>>> > > it. >>>>> > > Liberal arts aren't going to make people that marketable outside >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > academic circles, and that's coming from a guy who may as well >>>>> > > have >>>>> > > graduated with a liberal arts degree. If the qualifications are >>>>> > > severely restricting the kind of jobs I can get, something's wrong >>>>> > > with what I studied. That's why I'm a big proponent of taking a >>>>> > > gap >>>>> > > year to figure out yourself and what it is you're really >>>>> > > passionate >>>>> > > about before spending thousands of dollars in a very expensive >>>>> > > education >>>>> >program. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Next, employers are humans just like we are. Their reactions are >>>>> > > going >>>>> > > to run a diverse range, but job hunting is a numbers game. There's >>>>> > > nothing we can do to eliminate people who take a dim view of blind >>>>> > > people, and let's be honest. Their views would not change even if >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > economy was booming. If they did not discriminate against me for >>>>> > > being >>>>> > > blind, they might discriminate against me for being Hispanic, >>>>> > > male, >>>>> > > immigrant, tall, etc. The only cold comfort I can offer is keep >>>>> > > applying or move to an area with more open minds. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Finding a job after spending years as a stay-at-home parent is not >>>>> > > easy, nor is it fair. A stay-at-home mom knows more about running >>>>> > > a >>>>> > > company than the CEO given her responsibilities of time >>>>> > > management, >>>>> > > budgeting, planning and executing, but you know, the more I think >>>>> > > about these qualities, the more they could make for a compelling >>>>> > > resume. You're a great writer. Something tells me you more than >>>>> > > others >>>>> > > will find creative ways of conveying your talents. Not every >>>>> > > employer >>>>> > > will bite, but the one that does will be an awesome match. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > And, generally speaking to the list, I guess that's all I have. >>>>> > > There >>>>> > > is such a thing is diminishing returns for people who refuse to >>>>> > > listen >>>>> > > to something other than the tired arguments that it's the fault of >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > economy or my disability or the next-door neighbor. I am accused >>>>> > > of >>>>> > > being too idealistic, but when real unemployment strikes, it's >>>>> > > very >>>>> > > easy to begin questioning your self-worth. When I'm down in the >>>>> > > dumps >>>>> > > and wondering if I stumbled down the wrong path in life, I would >>>>> > > personally rather here of how I might just make my passion work >>>>> > > instead of constant reminders that we have it so bad for being >>>>> > > blind >>>>> > > and for having to compete against so many applicants. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > To each his own. Me, there's a company I've been eager to work for >>>>> > > these past few years. I believe next year I'll make a resolution >>>>> > > to >>>>> > > get off my ass and earn at least a part-time contract there. >>>>> > > Statistics be damned. They'd be lucky to have me working for them. >>>>> > > Arrogant? Absolutely, but it's one of many possible ways to >>>>> > > separating >>>>> > > the great from the good. The key is figuring out the approach that >>>>> > > makes >>>>> >you better. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > To your success, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Joe >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > _______________________________________________ >>>>> > > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> > > for >>>>> >nabs-l: >>>>> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain. >>>>> > > com >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >-- >>>>> >Take care, >>>>> >Ty >>>>> >http://tds-solutions.net >>>>> >He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; >>>>> > he >>>>> that >>>>> >dares not reason is a slave. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >_______________________________________________ >>>>> >nabs-l mailing list >>>>> >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast. >>>>> net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blackbyrdfly%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Julie McG > National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National > Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, > Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, > and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 > "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that > everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal > life." > John 3:16 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 24 04:12:59 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:12:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel In-Reply-To: References: <000c01cf159e$74903e60$5db0bb20$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <8AEE9645-3A8E-4C81-AC72-3115F2D1B7A8@fuse.net> This is probably another opinion in the mix, but it is really up to you. I would recomend trying out a variety of canes and techniques and seeing what you like. I use a 56 inch folding cane from resolutions. It has graphite instead of aluminum so it is more durible. I alternate between a pencil and fixed marshmellow tip. I like the flexibility I have in my wrist movements. The cane also rests between my chest and chin. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 10:14 PM, "melissa Green" wrote: > > I am going to purchase a folding cane from the nfb. > I hear that the newer ones are nice. > Even though I use a dog, I still carry a cane. > I love having my options. > > I still have my short folding cane with the roller tip somewhere. > I hated that thing. > best wishes, > Sincerely, > Melissa R Green > "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole > staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Arielle Silverman" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2014 2:57 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFB and canes and travel > > > Hi Pat, > > I grew up using an aluminum folding cane with roller tip, too, and my > teacher actively refused to let me try an NFB cane or a cane that > went up higher than my sternum. Like many others I didn't really give > it a second thought. However, once I started going to NFB conventions > and meeting people who were much better cane travelers than I who > loved their NFB canes, I decided to give one a try. It took a little > adjusting at first, but now I could never go back to the aluminum > cane. The NFB cane is just so much lighter and more sensitive. I use a > combination of constant contact and two-point touch depending on the > surface I am walking on and whether I'm just going straight for a > while, looking for something specific, or trying to echolocate. > I use a straight cane most of the time. It has nothing to do with > philosophy, since even when I used a folding cane I never hid it. I > simply feel the straight cane gives me better feedback and is easier > to handle while walking. When I'm going somewhere that involves > crowds and not much walking, then I will take an NFB folding cane. I > don't like to walk long distances with it but it's easier to store. From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 24 04:27:06 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 23:27:06 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <59182027-255D-42C1-A359-CBE5167C23A7@fuse.net> I think racist blind people are probably associating blacks as a whole as inferiority. They want to feel above And in control and better than other people. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind > people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily > think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to > understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the > racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice > than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black > people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern > is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin > color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and > develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one > based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races > in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why > people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard > time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much > attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what > is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think > that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a > person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less > judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them > by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our > prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see > skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; > it makes for a great discussion. > > Ryan > >> On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >> Elif >> >> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>> society. >>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >>> school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 05:10:56 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 00:10:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Course Mail in the Blackboard Site Message-ID: <790DBD8FA9344420AFA0947915D4BBB0@Helga> Hi all, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, Do any of you write emails to your professor by using Course Mail in the Blackboard site with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since I just wrote to my Government Professor using Course Mail, but I wasn’t able to navigate it by myself. Actually, my dad help me with it, since, he was clicking with the mouse in order to find the list of the professor and students emails in order to write them an email. Just to let you know, when I went to Course mail with JAWS, I was able to find create a message, but when I’m trying to find my professor’s contact, and the other students contact, I can’t do it at all! How do you navigate the Course Mail with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, this is actually my first time using Course Mail in the Blackboard site. Thanks again! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-winkingsmile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1135 bytes Desc: not available URL: From louvins at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 07:07:53 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 01:07:53 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Epub on pacmate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The fs reader program cannot read epub files. On 1/23/14, David Andrews wrote: > ePub is a format itself, not a PDF. I don't think you can read ePub > files on Pac Mate. It is possible that FS Reader can read them, but > I don't think so. > > Dave > > At 08:10 AM 1/23/2014, you wrote: >>Hi Amanda, >> >>I can't remember if the epub ebooks are in PDF format. If they are, I >>don't think you can read them on the PacMate. To my knowledge, they >>haven't come up with a PDF reader yet. If they are in txt (text >>document), rtf (rich text format), brf (Braille format), doc or docx >>(Microsoft Word documents), you should be able to download them and >>read them perfectly. >> >>Ryan >> >>On 1/23/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >> > Hi Guys, >> > How can I read epub ebooks on my pacmate? >> > Amanda >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > >> >> >>-- >>Ryan L. Silveira > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 10:21:26 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:21:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Using Course Mail in the Blackboard Site In-Reply-To: <790DBD8FA9344420AFA0947915D4BBB0@Helga> References: <790DBD8FA9344420AFA0947915D4BBB0@Helga> Message-ID: <000801cf18ee$0a5ca300$1f15e900$@gmail.com> I have the email forwarded to my personal email, and just use my outlook to write to my professors. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 12:11 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Using Course Mail in the Blackboard Site Hi all, this is Helga. How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, Do any of you write emails to your professor by using Course Mail in the Blackboard site with JAWS? I’m just wondering, since I just wrote to my Government Professor using Course Mail, but I wasn’t able to navigate it by myself. Actually, my dad help me with it, since, he was clicking with the mouse in order to find the list of the professor and students emails in order to write them an email. Just to let you know, when I went to Course mail with JAWS, I was able to find create a message, but when I’m trying to find my professor’s contact, and the other students contact, I can’t do it at all! How do you navigate the Course Mail with JAWS? Just curious! I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! P.S. By the way, this is actually my first time using Course Mail in the Blackboard site. Thanks again! From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 10:31:25 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:31:25 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: <59182027-255D-42C1-A359-CBE5167C23A7@fuse.net> References: <59182027-255D-42C1-A359-CBE5167C23A7@fuse.net> Message-ID: <001001cf18ef$6f8f8200$4eae8600$@gmail.com> Your point is well taken. However, not just racist to Blacks, I have also seen it extend to Asian, Hispanic, and even south pacific islanders. I've heard the different racial slurs to go along with it pertaining to the Asian or Hispanic. I have also met those black people who are blind, and they are at times racist to those who are white. It's strange to see a room full of blind people divided among racial lines, yet in the sighted world, both races would be shunned do to their being blind. We would all be lumped together due to our having a visually disability. The blacks and whites would miss out on the same job through discrimination due to vision, yet, within the group, it is segregated due to race. When traveling to the NFB conventions, most of the black people are on one bus, and the white people are on the other. Isn't that something? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 11:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race I think racist blind people are probably associating blacks as a whole as inferiority. They want to feel above And in control and better than other people. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 9:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind > people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily > think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to > understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the > racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice > than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black > people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern > is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin > color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and > develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one > based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races > in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why > people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard > time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much > attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what > is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think > that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a > person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less > judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them > by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our > prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see > skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; > it makes for a great discussion. > > Ryan > >> On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >> Elif >> >> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>> society. >>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie >>> in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. >>> They _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 11:07:33 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:07:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] message about training professors to work with blind students Message-ID: <000801cf18f4$7b93bbc0$72bb3340$@gmail.com> Recently, there was a thread about a program in north Carolina who held a training workshop for professors on how to work with blind college students. I can't seem to locate that message on my pc. Can someone resend it to me? It had the assistive technology office contact information and a little about the program. I would like to start one in South Carolina. Thanks Justin. From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Fri Jan 24 12:44:02 2014 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:44:02 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> References: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> Message-ID: That was Jane Elliot. She wasn't a social worker. She was a teacher. She started these experiments and her third-grade classroom way back in the 60s shortly after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. Now, she does these experiments and workshops aimed at discussing racism. One of the best films cataloging her work is Blue I'd. It was a film done in the 1990s, but the topic of discussion is still quite relevant. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > > Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the people about how discrimination works. > Beth > >> On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind >> people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily >> think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to >> understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the >> racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice >> than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black >> people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern >> is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin >> color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and >> develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one >> based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races >> in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why >> people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard >> time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much >> attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what >> is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think >> that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a >> person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less >> judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them >> by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our >> prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see >> skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; >> it makes for a great discussion. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >>> Elif >>> >>> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>>> society. >>>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >>>> school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >>>> were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >>>> better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >>>> country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >>>> parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >>>> progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >>>> lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >>>> was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >>>> know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >>>> white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >>>> supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >>>> lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >>>> and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >>>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >>>> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >>>> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >>>> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >>>> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >>>> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >>>> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >>>> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >>>> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >>>> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >>>> me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >>>> was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >>>> was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >>>> my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >>>> because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >>>> which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >>>> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >>>> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >>>> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >>>> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >>>> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >>>> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >>>> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >>>> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >>>> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >>>> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >>>> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >>>> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >>>> friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >>>> her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >>>> would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >>>> if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >>>> different, but probably not worse. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Fri Jan 24 13:38:16 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 06:38:16 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <52E26CC8.5080704@comcast.net> Oh, I forgot she was a teacher. I actually liked that movie, Blue Eyed, because it discussed a good lesson on discrimination, and she brings the question of discrimination at the end of her exercise. Beth \ On 1/24/2014 5:44 AM, Jedi Moerke wrote: > That was Jane Elliot. She wasn't a social worker. She was a teacher. She started these experiments and her third-grade classroom way back in the 60s shortly after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. Now, she does these experiments and workshops aimed at discussing racism. One of the best films cataloging her work is Blue I'd. It was a film done in the 1990s, but the topic of discussion is still quite relevant. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: >> >> Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the people about how discrimination works. >> Beth >> >>> On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind >>> people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily >>> think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to >>> understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the >>> racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice >>> than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black >>> people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern >>> is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin >>> color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and >>> develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one >>> based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races >>> in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why >>> people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard >>> time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much >>> attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what >>> is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think >>> that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a >>> person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less >>> judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them >>> by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our >>> prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see >>> skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; >>> it makes for a great discussion. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >>>> Elif >>>> >>>> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>>>> Hi all, >>>>> >>>>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>>>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>>>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>>>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>>>> society. >>>>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >>>>> school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >>>>> were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >>>>> better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >>>>> country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >>>>> parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >>>>> progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >>>>> lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >>>>> was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >>>>> know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >>>>> white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >>>>> supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >>>>> lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >>>>> and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >>>>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >>>>> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >>>>> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >>>>> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >>>>> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >>>>> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >>>>> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >>>>> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >>>>> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >>>>> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>>>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>>>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >>>>> me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>>>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >>>>> was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >>>>> was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >>>>> my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >>>>> because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >>>>> which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>>>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >>>>> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >>>>> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >>>>> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >>>>> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >>>>> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >>>>> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >>>>> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >>>>> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >>>>> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >>>>> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >>>>> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >>>>> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>>>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>>>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>>>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >>>>> friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >>>>> her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >>>>> would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >>>>> if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >>>>> different, but probably not worse. >>>>> >>>>> Arielle >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 13:52:28 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 05:52:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race Message-ID: <52e27036.64f7440a.2695.ffff81ff@mx.google.com> Jane Elliot? We watched a little film about that in English last week, on Thursday I think? It was very good. Then we talked about, "What if the class had been black and white? They were all white." and I understood it all because Jane explained it really well. ----- Original Message ----- From: Beth Taurasi wrote: Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the people about how discrimination works. Beth On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. Ryan On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. Elif 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : Hi all, Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a society. I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of the country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about white and black people having different skin colors, since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, grew up without having significant racial prejudices. In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been different, but probably not worse. Arielle _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silvei ra%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi %40samobile.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen11 07%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 15:01:16 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:01:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <002701cf1915$22014570$6603d050$@gmail.com> Sounds like a great experiment. Fun to watch. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi Moerke Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:44 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race That was Jane Elliot. She wasn't a social worker. She was a teacher. She started these experiments and her third-grade classroom way back in the 60s shortly after the death of Martin Luther King Jr. Now, she does these experiments and workshops aimed at discussing racism. One of the best films cataloging her work is Blue I'd. It was a film done in the 1990s, but the topic of discussion is still quite relevant. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 23, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Beth Taurasi wrote: > > Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the people about how discrimination works. > Beth > >> On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind >> people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily >> think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to >> understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the >> racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural >> prejudice than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of >> black people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech >> pattern is due to their cultural and educational background, not to >> their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a person is >> black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural >> prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first >> learned about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life >> of me understand why people judged others based on their skin color. >> I still have a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a >> society, pay too much attention to what is on the outside and not >> enough attention to what is inside of a person--what makes you >> Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, because we cannot see skin color, >> we are more apt to judge a person based on their personality which >> is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than someone who simply looks >> at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is not to say >> that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less >> judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. >> Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >>> Elif >>> >>> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as >>>> a society. >>>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie >>>> in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. >>>> They were talking about a time when a group called white people was >>>> treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of >>>> the country. I had never heard of white people or black people >>>> before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because >>>> they were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and >>>> partly because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where >>>> practically everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by >>>> then, apparently, but didn't know the difference. Of course the >>>> movie never said anything about white and black people having >>>> different skin colors, since that was supposed to be obvious for >>>> sighted people. So I went through the lesson thinking the whole >>>> conflict and status difference between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >>>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if >>>> I was a white person or a black person. I still remember my >>>> mother's hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she >>>> informed me that I was white. I also remember asking why the black >>>> people in the 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they >>>> wanted to be treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and >>>> sighted) responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a >>>> little hard for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would >>>> be hard for blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently >>>> obvious to everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness >>>> gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my >>>> question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually >>>> realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I >>>> truly thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I >>>> held on to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the >>>> other ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I >>>> told some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind >>>> people must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in >>>> their experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can >>>> often differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind >>>> people are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as >>>> sighted people are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive >>>> longer, and although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the >>>> race of folks I meet, the main reason for my lack of racial >>>> prejudice was from my background rather than my blindness. My >>>> sister obviously figured out what race meant before I did, even >>>> though we grew up in the same environment. She might have figured >>>> it out visually, but she, too, grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became >>>> best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained >>>> about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, >>>> again, I would have just found the comment and the situation >>>> peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to >>>> race might have been different, but probably not worse. >>>> >>>> Arielle >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmai >>>> l.com >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira% >>> 40gmail.com >>> >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40sa > mobile.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 15:31:51 2014 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 10:31:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions Message-ID: Hello All! Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. Thanks in advance! Justin From bbatron at cocenter.org Fri Jan 24 20:42:53 2014 From: bbatron at cocenter.org (Brent Batron) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:42:53 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Summer job opportunities at the Colorado Center for the Blind Message-ID: <06b442b647514a86909991d82071175b@BN1PR07MB086.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> The Colorado Center for the Blind is now accepting applications from positive blind role models to be residential counselors and instructors in our 2014 summer programs. We offer 3 programs, Summer for Success College Prep Program, Earn and Learn High School Program and the Initiation to Independence Middle School Program. Staff must be available May 27 through August 8. Applicants must be eager to work with young blind students as good role models, competent in the skills of blindness, well rounded, flexible, excellent communicator both oral and written, team player and willing to lead by example. Must be excited to work with blind students aged 11 -20. Challenge Recreation is an exciting component of the job. Staff will go rock climbing, hiking, canoeing, white water rafting, attend martial arts classes and much more. Also all staff and students will attend the national convention of the National Federation of the Blind in Orlando! If interested please contact Brent Batron at 303-778-1130 x 222 or via email at bbatron at cocenter.org. Brent C. Batron Director of Youth Programs Colorado Center for the Blind 303-778-1130 x 222 www.cocenter.org Take Charge with Confidence and Self-Reliance [FaceBook_24x24] [Twitter_24x24] [Youtube_24x24] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.png Type: image/png Size: 1147 bytes Desc: image001.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image002.png Type: image/png Size: 1266 bytes Desc: image002.png URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image003.png Type: image/png Size: 1239 bytes Desc: image003.png URL: From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 24 22:01:22 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:01:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello, I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: > > Hello All! > > Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was > wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of > accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the > accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these > accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and > thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. > > Thanks in advance! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From jty727 at gmail.com Fri Jan 24 22:30:52 2014 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:30:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that correct? How did you prepare for the exan? Thanks, Justin On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, > > I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test > and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. > I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: >> >> Hello All! >> >> Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was >> wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of >> accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the >> accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these >> accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and >> thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. >> >> Thanks in advance! >> >> Justin >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From Vyingling at nfb.org Fri Jan 24 22:35:25 2014 From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:35:25 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Critical Accessibility Information at Washington Seminar Message-ID: Dear Federationists, While you attend Washington Seminar on Monday, January 27th, be sure to stop by one of the NFB Legal Department's survey tables. In an effort to gather critical accessibility information from members, the NFB Legal Department, along with Brown, Goldstein & Levy, and D.C.-based law firm of Mehri & Skalet, will be conducting member surveys on the following topics: * Electronic Health Records o We are seeking information from employees and students required to use electronic health record systems on the job or for school purposes. * Pre-employment Testing o We are seeking information from anyone who has attempted to fill out an online job application or take an online employment test with screen access software or expects to do so in the near future. If the test you have taken or plan to take was developed by Kenexa, or if the job you have applied for or will be applying for is with a federal government contractor, we would be especially interested in speaking with you. * Technology in Higher Education o We are gathering information from college and university students regarding Web applications for assignment collaboration and other technologies. * Common Core State Standard Assessment Field Tests o We are seeking information regarding K-12 students that will be taking a field test or have been excluded from taking the test due to blindness. * Online and Mobile Banking o We are gathering information pertaining to account management and other features. Survey tables will be located in the following locations at the Holiday Inn Capitol, Washington DC: * Apollo Room, from 9:00 a.m. - 1:00 p.m. * Discovery II Room, from 2:30 p.m. - 4:00 p.m. * Discovery II Foyer, from 9:00 a.m. - 5:00 p.m. If you cannot attend Washington Seminar this year and are able to contribute to our information gathering efforts, please contact Valerie Yingling, Paralegal at the National Federation of the Blind at Vyingling at nfb.org or 410-659-9314 ext. 2440. From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Fri Jan 24 22:35:41 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 17:35:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <12091DDD-D740-4C41-86F2-A0607D3DA5B1@yahoo.com> You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you need. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? > I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that > correct? How did you prepare for the exan? > > Thanks, > > Justin > >> On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test >> and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. >> I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>> >>> Hello All! >>> >>> Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was >>> wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of >>> accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the >>> accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these >>> accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and >>> thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. >>> >>> Thanks in advance! >>> >>> Justin >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From mail at change.org Sat Jan 25 00:39:00 2014 From: mail at change.org (Jamie Principado) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:39:00 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Sign my petition on Change.org Message-ID: <52e307a43de14_1a23e400841509f8@production-change-main-resque-action-alert-generation-00.mail> Hey, I created the petition "Pass TEACH Act: Equal Access to Educational Materials for Students with Disabilities" and wanted to see if you could help by adding your name. Our goal is to reach 1,000 signatures and we need more support. You can read more and sign the petition here: https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities?share_id=vrBfMuBHaU&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=petition_invitation Thanks! Jamie You're receiving this message because Jamie Principado sent you an email through Change.org's petition sharing tool. Change.org has not stored your email address. If you believe you have received this message in error, respond directly to Jamie Principado at blackbyrdfly at gmail.com. From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 00:48:03 2014 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:48:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: <12091DDD-D740-4C41-86F2-A0607D3DA5B1@yahoo.com> References: <12091DDD-D740-4C41-86F2-A0607D3DA5B1@yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh cool! Thanks! On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you need. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: >> >> Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? >> I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that >> correct? How did you prepare for the exan? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Justin >> >>> On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio >>> test >>> and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and >>> documentation. >>> I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> >>>> On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello All! >>>> >>>> Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was >>>> wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of >>>> accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the >>>> accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these >>>> accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and >>>> thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. >>>> >>>> Thanks in advance! >>>> >>>> Justin >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From ligne14 at verizon.net Sat Jan 25 01:58:38 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 20:58:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions Message-ID: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Hi. I'm just curious, what does GRE stand for? Also while we're at it, what is that exactly? If I understand, it is something where you take an exam online, right? Tell me if I'm wrong. Also, do they offer exams in particular subject areas, or just general exams in all subjects? Anyway Justin and anybody else who are taking this currently, good luck with the exams! Thanks for answering me, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you need. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that correct? How did you prepare for the exan? Thanks, Justin On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: Hello, I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: Hello All! Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. Thanks in advance! Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 25 02:21:40 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:21:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <30ED409183B94317896AB6A9AFA73E82@OwnerPC> it’s the graduate record exam which is required with certain scores for several grad school programs. -----Original Message----- From: sami osborne Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 8:58 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Questions Hi. I'm just curious, what does GRE stand for? Also while we're at it, what is that exactly? If I understand, it is something where you take an exam online, right? Tell me if I'm wrong. Also, do they offer exams in particular subject areas, or just general exams in all subjects? Anyway Justin and anybody else who are taking this currently, good luck with the exams! Thanks for answering me, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you need. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that correct? How did you prepare for the exan? Thanks, Justin On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: Hello, I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: Hello All! Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. Thanks in advance! Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Sat Jan 25 03:25:18 2014 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 21:25:18 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <002401cf197d$12919190$37b4b4b0$@mediacombb.net> Med school version is some like mcap. And none of them are inexpensive. Loren (gre), graduate record exam. Some grad schools require it to gain admittance to the program. Lawc school require lsat, sometimes. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sami osborne Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:59 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Questions Hi. I'm just curious, what does GRE stand for? Also while we're at it, what is that exactly? If I understand, it is something where you take an exam online, right? Tell me if I'm wrong. Also, do they offer exams in particular subject areas, or just general exams in all subjects? Anyway Justin and anybody else who are taking this currently, good luck with the exams! Thanks for answering me, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Justin Young wrote: You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you need. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young wrote: Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that correct? How did you prepare for the exan? Thanks, Justin On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: Hello, I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio test and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and documentation. I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young wrote: Hello All! Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! I was wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. Thanks in advance! Justin _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 yahoo.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai l.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver izon.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et From jty727 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 03:34:33 2014 From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 22:34:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] GRE Questions In-Reply-To: <002401cf197d$12919190$37b4b4b0$@mediacombb.net> References: <0MZX008HAPHVOG60@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net> <002401cf197d$12919190$37b4b4b0$@mediacombb.net> Message-ID: Yes each graduate discipline has their own form of the Graduate Record Examination. Not all graduate programs in the nation require them. I am considering of taking the GRE which is the most common from what I've read in my research in the event I wish to go for another master's program or doctorate program. Thanks all! Justin On 1/24/14, Loren Wakefield wrote: > Med school version is some like mcap. > > And none of them are inexpensive. > > Loren > > (gre), graduate record exam. Some grad schools require it to gain > admittance to the program. Lawc school require lsat, sometimes. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sami osborne > Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 7:59 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Questions > > Hi. > > I'm just curious, what does GRE stand for? > Also while we're at it, what is that exactly? > If I understand, it is something where you take an exam online, right? > Tell me if I'm wrong. > Also, do they offer exams in particular subject areas, or just general > exams > in all subjects? > Anyway Justin and anybody else who are taking this currently, good luck > with > the exams! > Thanks for answering me, > > Sami. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Justin Young To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:48:03 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] GRE Questions > > Oh cool! Thanks! > > On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > You can call 1 (866) 387-8602. They can e-mail you all the files you > need. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Jan 24, 2014, at 5:30 PM, Justin Young > wrote: > > Thanks for your feedback. How did you request the accommadations? > I'm kind of new to this. I've read its all computer based, is that > correct? How did you prepare for the exan? > > Thanks, > > Justin > > On 1/24/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Hello, > > I just went through this process. I requested 100% extended time. Audio > test and large print answer sheet. I faxed off my application and > documentation. > I heard back from them within 2-3 weeks. > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > > On Jan 24, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Justin Young > wrote: > > Hello All! > > Hope you are doing well & the semester is off to a great start! > I was > wondering how many on this list have taken the GRE and what kind of > accommadations did you request? How long did it take to have the > accommadations approved and how did you go about applying for these > accommadations? I am considering of taking the GRE in the future and > thought I'd ask you all your experience with it. > > Thanks in advance! > > Justin > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 > yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai > l.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40 > yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmai > l.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n > et > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jty727%40gmail.com > From robin-melvin at comcast.net Sat Jan 25 03:47:52 2014 From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin) Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2014 19:47:52 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> References: <52E1C43C.8080005@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140124194526.05314360@comcast.net> I have "Blue Eyes", and I'm NOT Ol'Whitey or Ol'Sighty. just sayin' At 05:39 PM 1/23/2014, you wrote: >Wow. I agree with Ryan. WE pay too much attention to the >outside. We judge too much by the person's hair, eye color, and so >on. I remember listening to a documentary in which a social worker >purposefully judged the person by his eye color. She separated a >group of people by eye cfolor, and made the blue eyed people feel so >bad it turned into a nightmare. Her exercise, she said, taught the >people about how discrimination works. >Beth > >On 1/23/2014 7:37 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind >>people are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily >>think this is true. I think that blind people may be less apt to >>understand why people are judged by their skin color. I think the >>racism that blind people develop is more based on a cultural prejudice >>than one solely based on skin color. For example, a lot of black >>people have a certain way of speaking. That accent and speech pattern >>is due to their cultural and educational background, not to their skin >>color. A blind person can often tell when a person is black and >>develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural prejudice, not one >>based on skin color. I remember when I first learned about the races >>in the first grade, I could not for the life of me understand why >>people judged others based on their skin color. I still have a hard >>time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much >>attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what >>is inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think >>that, because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a >>person based on their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less >>judgemental than someone who simply looks at a person and judges them >>by their skin color. That is not to say that we don't have our >>prejudices, but we are somewhat less judgemental because we can't see >>skin color or other physical traits. Thanks for sharing your story; >>it makes for a great discussion. >> >>Ryan >> >>On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: >>>I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. >>>Elif >>> >>>2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : >>>>Hi all, >>>> >>>>Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >>>>fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >>>>learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >>>>article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >>>>society. >>>>I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >>>>school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >>>>were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >>>>better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >>>>country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >>>>parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >>>>progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >>>>lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >>>>was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >>>>know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >>>>white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >>>>supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >>>>lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >>>>and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >>>>When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >>>>was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >>>>hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >>>>that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >>>>1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >>>>treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >>>>responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >>>>for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >>>>blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >>>>everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >>>>In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >>>>telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >>>>me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >>>>appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >>>>was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >>>>was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >>>>my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >>>>because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >>>>which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >>>>Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >>>>some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >>>>must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >>>>experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >>>>differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >>>>are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >>>>are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >>>>although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >>>>meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >>>>background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >>>>what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >>>>environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >>>>grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >>>>In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >>>>lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >>>>discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >>>>friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >>>>her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >>>>would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >>>>if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >>>>different, but probably not worse. >>>> >>>>Arielle >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>nabs-l: >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>nabs-l: >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/robin-melvin%40comcast.net From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 05:09:11 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 00:09:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education Message-ID: Dear all, It is your chance as students to shine!It is an unfortunate, and all too common occurrence, that blind students pursuing a college degree, are faced by countless accessibility barriers. It is time to change that. About a month ago I thought that one of the ways that we could educate the general public, the academic world, students and parents, was to use a petition which would outline the issue, and offer a solution. That petition is here today. Jamie Pricipado, a student who experienced the effects that inaccessible software has on a student’s education, and who, as a result, is an extremely passionate advocate for the issue, agreed to be our starter petitioner. Below you will find the link to the petition we drafted, along with the help of the amazing Lauren McClarney at the government affairs department at NFB. I ask you not to simply sign it, but to send it to every contact in your address book, post it on Facebook Twitter, Stumble On, and all the zillions of social media outlets out there. But most important, write in the comment box why this is an important issue, it is our chance to have our voices heard, so exploit it! In a mere six hours we are only 200 signatures away from reaching the first 1000 signatures. If this is an important issue to you, and if you believe in the right of equal access to education, do your part, and let’s get this done. https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities If you have any questions feel free to contact me. Sincerely -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 06:38:07 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 01:38:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <61A6F214EF36485392734E8F14F22E48@Helga> Hi Mary, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this petition only for unaccessible Softwareor could it also mean not having access to Braille, or big print materials for students at their college or university? Just curious! And when I say unaccesseble software, I mean websites that are not accessible with JAWS. Hope to hear from yu soon. Thanks so much and God bless! -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:09 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; GABS ; New Jersey Association of Blind Students ; Colorado Center ; Presidents Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education Dear all, It is your chance as students to shine!It is an unfortunate, and all too common occurrence, that blind students pursuing a college degree, are faced by countless accessibility barriers. It is time to change that. About a month ago I thought that one of the ways that we could educate the general public, the academic world, students and parents, was to use a petition which would outline the issue, and offer a solution. That petition is here today. Jamie Pricipado, a student who experienced the effects that inaccessible software has on a student’s education, and who, as a result, is an extremely passionate advocate for the issue, agreed to be our starter petitioner. Below you will find the link to the petition we drafted, along with the help of the amazing Lauren McClarney at the government affairs department at NFB. I ask you not to simply sign it, but to send it to every contact in your address book, post it on Facebook Twitter, Stumble On, and all the zillions of social media outlets out there. But most important, write in the comment box why this is an important issue, it is our chance to have our voices heard, so exploit it! In a mere six hours we are only 200 signatures away from reaching the first 1000 signatures. If this is an important issue to you, and if you believe in the right of equal access to education, do your part, and let’s get this done. https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities If you have any questions feel free to contact me. Sincerely -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From codyjbair at yahoo.com Sat Jan 25 17:08:48 2014 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:08:48 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_Registration_for_Student_Connect_2014?= In-Reply-To: References: <3d5914cd113a4b63ab8d5b9304b4ec4b@BLUPR07MB066.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>, Message-ID: <578130.62764.bm@smtp232.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Sent from Windows Mail From: Antonio Rozier Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎30‎ ‎AM To From: Jessica Beecham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:42 PM To: Julie Deden; Kevan Worley; Scott C. LaBarre; Dan Burke; Antonio Rozier; Darian Smith (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) Subject: Registration for Student Connect 2014 Hello Everyone We now have registration for Student Connect 2014 Western States Student Seminar! http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com We also have a twitter hashtag #studentconnect14 There is a FaceBook event https://www.facebook.com/events/502236816563563/ Join the event and invite your friends! Brent, Antonio, Dan and I are working on an agenda that we will be circulating soon! Best Wishes Jess From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sat Jan 25 17:31:50 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 12:31:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Registration for Student Connect 2014 In-Reply-To: <578130.62764.bm@smtp232.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <3d5914cd113a4b63ab8d5b9304b4ec4b@BLUPR07MB066.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>, <578130.62764.bm@smtp232.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <230EF4D720A94ACD86A7F2D684C3CF5B@OwnerPC> which states is this for? -----Original Message----- From: codyjbair at yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:08 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Registration for Student Connect 2014 Sent from Windows Mail From: Antonio Rozier Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎30‎ ‎AM To From: Jessica Beecham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:42 PM To: Julie Deden; Kevan Worley; Scott C. LaBarre; Dan Burke; Antonio Rozier; Darian Smith (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) Subject: Registration for Student Connect 2014 Hello Everyone We now have registration for Student Connect 2014 Western States Student Seminar! http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com We also have a twitter hashtag #studentconnect14 There is a FaceBook event https://www.facebook.com/events/502236816563563/ Join the event and invite your friends! Brent, Antonio, Dan and I are working on an agenda that we will be circulating soon! Best Wishes Jess _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From codyjbair at yahoo.com Sat Jan 25 17:55:36 2014 From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 17:55:36 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Fw=3A_Registration_for_Student_Connect_2014?= In-Reply-To: <230EF4D720A94ACD86A7F2D684C3CF5B@OwnerPC> References: <3d5914cd113a4b63ab8d5b9304b4ec4b@BLUPR07MB066.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>, <578130.62764.bm@smtp232.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>, <230EF4D720A94ACD86A7F2D684C3CF5B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <368781.98654.bm@smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> People from any state are welcome. Thanks, Cody From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎January‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎31‎ ‎AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list which states is this for? -----Original Message----- From: codyjbair at yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:08 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Registration for Student Connect 2014 Sent from Windows Mail From: Antonio Rozier Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎30‎ ‎AM To From: Jessica Beecham Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:42 PM To: Julie Deden; Kevan Worley; Scott C. LaBarre; Dan Burke; Antonio Rozier; Darian Smith (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) Subject: Registration for Student Connect 2014 Hello Everyone We now have registration for Student Connect 2014 Western States Student Seminar! http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com We also have a twitter hashtag #studentconnect14 There is a FaceBook event https://www.facebook.com/events/502236816563563/ Join the event and invite your friends! Brent, Antonio, Dan and I are working on an agenda that we will be circulating soon! Best Wishes Jess _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codyjbair%40yahoo.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 20:20:39 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:20:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education In-Reply-To: <61A6F214EF36485392734E8F14F22E48@Helga> References: <61A6F214EF36485392734E8F14F22E48@Helga> Message-ID: Helga, If educational technology is made to be compatible with assistive software, that will solve the issue of everything from having issues accessing webpages with screenreading software, which will mean that a student can also use a refreshable braille display to access materials. When writing the petition, I made sure that the meaning of access was fairly well defined at the opening of the petition. Thank you! Mary F On 1/25/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mary, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this petition only for > > unaccessible Softwareor could it also mean not having access to Braille, or > > big print materials for students at their college or university? Just > curious! And when I say unaccesseble software, I mean websites that are not > > accessible with JAWS. Hope to hear from yu soon. Thanks so much and God > bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Fernandez > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:09 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; GABS ; New Jersey > > Association of Blind Students ; Colorado Center ; Presidents > Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education > > Dear all, > It is your chance as students to shine!It is an unfortunate, and all > too common occurrence, that blind students pursuing a college degree, > are faced by countless accessibility barriers. It is time to change > that. > About a month ago I thought that one of the ways that we could educate > the general public, the academic world, students and parents, was to > use a petition which would outline the issue, and offer a solution. > That petition is here today. Jamie Pricipado, a student who > experienced the effects that inaccessible software has on a student’s > education, and who, as a result, is an extremely passionate advocate > for the issue, agreed to be our starter petitioner. Below you will > find the link to the petition we drafted, along with the help of the > amazing Lauren McClarney at the government affairs department at NFB. > I ask you not to simply sign it, but to send it to every contact in > your address book, post it on Facebook Twitter, Stumble On, and all > the zillions of social media outlets out there. But most important, > write in the comment box why this is an important issue, it is our > chance to have our voices heard, so exploit it! > In a mere six hours we are only 200 signatures away from reaching the > first 1000 signatures. If this is an important issue to you, and if > you believe in the right of equal access to education, do your part, > and let’s get this done. > > https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities > > If you have any questions feel free to contact me. > Sincerely > > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > — > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 20:47:39 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 15:47:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education In-Reply-To: References: <61A6F214EF36485392734E8F14F22E48@Helga> Message-ID: <019801cf1a0e$afe63e00$0fb2ba00$@gmail.com> I filled out the petition. What else can we do to help? Anything I can do? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education Helga, If educational technology is made to be compatible with assistive software, that will solve the issue of everything from having issues accessing webpages with screenreading software, which will mean that a student can also use a refreshable braille display to access materials. When writing the petition, I made sure that the meaning of access was fairly well defined at the opening of the petition. Thank you! Mary F On 1/25/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi Mary, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this petition > only for > > unaccessible Softwareor could it also mean not having access to > Braille, or > > big print materials for students at their college or university? Just > curious! And when I say unaccesseble software, I mean websites that > are not > > accessible with JAWS. Hope to hear from yu soon. Thanks so much and > God bless! > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mary Fernandez > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:09 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; GABS ; New > Jersey > > Association of Blind Students ; Colorado Center ; Presidents > Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education > > Dear all, > It is your chance as students to shine!It is an unfortunate, and all > too common occurrence, that blind students pursuing a college degree, > are faced by countless accessibility barriers. It is time to change > that. > About a month ago I thought that one of the ways that we could educate > the general public, the academic world, students and parents, was to > use a petition which would outline the issue, and offer a solution. > That petition is here today. Jamie Pricipado, a student who > experienced the effects that inaccessible software has on a student's > education, and who, as a result, is an extremely passionate advocate > for the issue, agreed to be our starter petitioner. Below you will > find the link to the petition we drafted, along with the help of the > amazing Lauren McClarney at the government affairs department at NFB. > I ask you not to simply sign it, but to send it to every contact in > your address book, post it on Facebook Twitter, Stumble On, and all > the zillions of social media outlets out there. But most important, > write in the comment box why this is an important issue, it is our > chance to have our voices heard, so exploit it! > In a mere six hours we are only 200 signatures away from reaching the > first 1000 signatures. If this is an important issue to you, and if > you believe in the right of equal access to education, do your part, > and let's get this done. > > https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educat > ional-materials-for-students-with-disabilities > > If you have any questions feel free to contact me. > Sincerely > > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > - > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% > 40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmai > l.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." - Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From trillian551 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 21:09:38 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:09:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education In-Reply-To: <019801cf1a0e$afe63e00$0fb2ba00$@gmail.com> References: <61A6F214EF36485392734E8F14F22E48@Helga> <019801cf1a0e$afe63e00$0fb2ba00$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks all who have signed, continue to share, Tweet #passteachact, and spread the word. This petition is as much as making the public aware as it is about gaining support for the TEACH Act. Thanks! Mary F On 1/25/14, justin williams wrote: > I filled out the petition. What else can we do to help? Anything I can do? > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 3:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education > > Helga, > If educational technology is made to be compatible with assistive software, > that will solve the issue of everything from having issues accessing > webpages with screenreading software, which will mean that a student can > also use a refreshable braille display to access materials. When writing > the > petition, I made sure that the meaning of access was fairly well defined at > the opening of the petition. Thank you! > Mary F > > On 1/25/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > wrote: >> Hi Mary, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, is this petition >> only for >> >> unaccessible Softwareor could it also mean not having access to >> Braille, or >> >> big print materials for students at their college or university? Just >> curious! And when I say unaccesseble software, I mean websites that >> are not >> >> accessible with JAWS. Hope to hear from yu soon. Thanks so much and >> God bless! >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Mary Fernandez >> Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:09 AM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; GABS ; New >> Jersey >> >> Association of Blind Students ; Colorado Center ; Presidents >> Subject: [nabs-l] Petition for Equal Access in Higher Education >> >> Dear all, >> It is your chance as students to shine!It is an unfortunate, and all >> too common occurrence, that blind students pursuing a college degree, >> are faced by countless accessibility barriers. It is time to change >> that. >> About a month ago I thought that one of the ways that we could educate >> the general public, the academic world, students and parents, was to >> use a petition which would outline the issue, and offer a solution. >> That petition is here today. Jamie Pricipado, a student who >> experienced the effects that inaccessible software has on a student's >> education, and who, as a result, is an extremely passionate advocate >> for the issue, agreed to be our starter petitioner. Below you will >> find the link to the petition we drafted, along with the help of the >> amazing Lauren McClarney at the government affairs department at NFB. >> I ask you not to simply sign it, but to send it to every contact in >> your address book, post it on Facebook Twitter, Stumble On, and all >> the zillions of social media outlets out there. But most important, >> write in the comment box why this is an important issue, it is our >> chance to have our voices heard, so exploit it! >> In a mere six hours we are only 200 signatures away from reaching the >> first 1000 signatures. If this is an important issue to you, and if >> you believe in the right of equal access to education, do your part, >> and let's get this done. >> >> https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educat >> ional-materials-for-students-with-disabilities >> >> If you have any questions feel free to contact me. >> Sincerely >> >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >> feel." >> - >> Maya Angelou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26% >> 40gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmai >> l.com >> > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget > what > you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." > - > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/trillian551%40gmail.com > -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." — Maya Angelou From musicproandy at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 23:26:16 2014 From: musicproandy at gmail.com (Andy) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:26:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Message-ID: All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. From arielle71 at gmail.com Sat Jan 25 23:49:52 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:49:52 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Andy, The difficulties you describe are quite common and I commend you for seeking training to rectify them. I would suggest trying to attend the adult program at one of the NFB centers (Colorado, Louisiana or Minnesota) but only attending for the summer. Though you won't be there long enough to receive an official certificate, you can still get a lot of valuable travel and cooking skills in a three-month period. Many students do this and the centers are accustomed to taking students for short courses even though they encourage folks to finish the entire program if they can. It's also possible to attend for two summers. You will be required to take Braille and computer classes at the centers, but if you are already proficient, you can get more advanced assignments and sometimes reset your schedule so you're not attending these classes every day. In all classes, the teachers will evaluate your skills when you start and will set a program for you that begins where your skills end. Best, Arielle On 1/25/14, Andy wrote: > All, > I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. > Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel > instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot > of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, > and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get > lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of > instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me > to say it, I get a lot of help. > > I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really > would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer > training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, > computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic > cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find > were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking > for. > > If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the > summer for training, please let me know. > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From kobycox at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 00:23:22 2014 From: kobycox at gmail.com (Koby Cox) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 18:23:22 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <39F1C828C83E4F4FA3C87EC3E83BD1A8@OwnerPC> I have some ideas for you. Can you please email mee off-list? My email address is as follows: kobycox at gmail.com. I look forward to hearing from you soon, Koby. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 5:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc - really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 26 00:26:12 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:26:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> Hi, that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille and tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills to us. I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping skills and cane travel. But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other tech skills. I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you get O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have sidewalks and drive you to sites locally to teach you. I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this money to hire instructors. Is there a lighthouse in your area? I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I would have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons in adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves a variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which are centers run by federationists but are often state funded. Are you completely blind? I would suggest these resources. 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a traditionally certified instructor. but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your needs. You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have one for college students. 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults in the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not want classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office jobs. The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 26 00:47:58 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:47:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <10E60364E23D4C8A8B91A81A0444043E@OwnerPC> Hi Andy, I also struggle with my travel abilities due to spatial deficits. I have a hard time picturing my surroundings once I traveled through them; this mental mapping thing is very hard for me. I easily get lost too. If you have specific questions about environments, I and others may be able to help you. I really struggle with reversing routes. but what helped me was this; note, I learned this on my own from experience. First as I walk to my destination, I notice the landmarks and sounds and in my case colors, since I have some vision, near my destination. This landmark and cues will be the first thing I will encounter as I reverse a route. if its in a building, it is likely a room number. Odds and evens are on separate sides of a hall. So if I'm in 113, then room 111 will be the room before it which I'll pass when I reverse a route. Second, I notice where people are walking and often in a building like after a class, they are walking to the upstairs like me; so this is a clue to orient me. Third, if my route involves walking upstairs to reverse it, I listen for the door opening and closing and people going up the steps which often makes an echo like sound. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 00:52:14 2014 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 16:52:14 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a year long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done with dpi. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Hi, that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille and tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills to us. I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping skills and cane travel. But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other tech skills. I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you get O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have sidewalks and drive you to sites locally to teach you. I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this money to hire instructors. Is there a lighthouse in your area? I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I would have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons in adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves a variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which are centers run by federationists but are often state funded. Are you completely blind? I would suggest these resources. 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a traditionally certified instructor. but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your needs. You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have one for college students. 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults in the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not want classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office jobs. The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 01:12:43 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:12:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009f01cf1a33$b845a520$28d0ef60$@gmail.com> Andy, A few suggestions while you figure out a good summer training program. 1. Slow down. You'd be surprised at how much smoother things will go if you slow your pace and pay closer attention to your surroundings. Maybe you already do this, but I have a feeling a lot of us are tempted to walk faster to look more normal, but remember the basic laws of physics. The faster you walk, the less time you have to correct an error, the harder the impact with an obstacle, the greater the embarrassment, and the lower your self-confidence. Soon enough you'll become so familiar with a route that you'll be able to hit a good clip, but until then, leave a little earlier and take good care to really process your environment. 2. It's okay to stop and study. When you get to a traffic intersection, stand there for a few cycles until you figure out the pattern of the traffic. Is it a standard east-west, north-south pattern? Are there brief lulls for left turns? How much time does each direction get before the light changes? Yeah, you may feel foolish standing there, but invest a little time to get to know the intersection before you engage it. After you get familiar with the pattern, you'll be able to pay attention halfway down the block and figure out if you have enough time to cross when you get to the corner. 3. Parallel traffic is your friend. Could a vehicle cross a red light? Anything's possible, but the chances of an oncoming vehicle dramatically drop when you're crossing with your parallel traffic. 4. When in doubt, turn into the corner. Every blue moon I screw up and lose track of my straight line from corner to corner. If I turn into the corner, or walk further into the block, I might look a little crazy missing the corner altogether, but better that than to walk into the path of oncoming vehicles. Parallel traffic can be your friend, but friends can also run you over. Comforting, aren't I? Here in DC we have diagonal avenues that could easily dump you into the middle of a lane if you keep a perfect straight line, but then, if you study the intersection beforehand, this will never happen to you. 5. It's okay to ask questions. I don't know what they'll teach you at one of those training centers, never having gone to one myself, but I don't really think anyone would discourage you from asking questions if you feel lost or disoriented or just feel like asking. In fact, you could get someone to spend a few hours with you one weekend going over common routes you use on a regular basis. Pick their brain over what they see, what landmarks are helpful, which is actually another good point. 6. Distinguish between landmarks and clues. Landmarks aren't likely to move anytime soon: concrete planters, light posts, ramps, driveways, etc. Clues look tempting but shouldn't be relied upon completely: bus stops, trash cans, bicycle racks, and so forth. I'm sure others can chime in with additional suggestions. A good training program will help give you that extra boost, but no sense in waiting for the summer to start tackling some of the goals you could set for yourself right now. Best of luck to you, Joe -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc - really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Sun Jan 26 02:04:45 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 21:04:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> Message-ID: <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> Dave, Who has a customer service program? Do you mean Hatlen? I did not think they did that. just clarifying. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Webster Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a year long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done with dpi. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Hi, that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille and tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills to us. I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping skills and cane travel. But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other tech skills. I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you get O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have sidewalks and drive you to sites locally to teach you. I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this money to hire instructors. Is there a lighthouse in your area? I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I would have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons in adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves a variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which are centers run by federationists but are often state funded. Are you completely blind? I would suggest these resources. 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a traditionally certified instructor. but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your needs. You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have one for college students. 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults in the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not want classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office jobs. The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From louvins at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 02:24:11 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 20:24:11 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: HI Andy. I'm not the best at going places myself. When I was attending my local college, I did eventually get the routes to my classes figured out, but it did take me a couple years. At first I had people pretty much take me where I needed to go. I had to decide for myself, that I could learn my routes to places like the library building, or other classroom buildings on campus. I am glad that you want to brush up on Mobility and other skills. I agree with what others have already said about trying to practice a route more than once. Don't worry if you have to start out slow, once you figure out the best way to get where you need to go, it will be much easier. I know for me, I didn't really have to do much thinking once I figured out my routes. I am going to attend a center in Chicago which will hopefully help me with cooking, and doing things like mobility. I haven't had to do much stree crossings in quite a few years as there weren't any streets crossing our campus. I just had to make sure I didn't end up in a parking lot instead of the walkway to a building. Best of luck to you. As for attending centers, I'd much rather go to one of the NFB centers but Illinois is one of the worst states when it comes to trying to get counselors to pay for the expense of sending someone to one. I know people from my state have gone to the NFB center in Minnosota, but a friend of mine told me it took someone 15 months to get all the paperwork, letters and everything filled out. I don't want to go through all that hassel. Andy, please let us all know how you make out. On 1/25/14, Ashley Bramlett wrote: > Dave, > Who has a customer service program? Do you mean Hatlen? I did not think they > > did that. just clarifying. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Webster > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by > the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the > davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very > traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and > house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the > program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its > out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a > year > long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I > get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma > out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done > with dpi. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi, > that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed > from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille > and > tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills > to > us. > I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. > The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; > these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, > daily living, travel skills and > sometimes medical care instruction. > > I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my > technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping > skills and cane travel. > But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other > tech skills. > I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide > weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and > give you this training and even label appliances and tools so you can use > them. If you get O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided > you have sidewalks and drive you to sites locally to teach you. > I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so > darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this > money to hire instructors. > Is there a lighthouse in your area? > > I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? > I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes > to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her > expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our > dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I > would > have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. > > You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more > community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. > Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! > want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home > to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care > for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more > community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to > partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose > vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do > not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent > regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this > should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them > they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other > magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they > hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is > sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or > telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they > already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons > in > adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. > > I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or > structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and > you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves > a > variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, > teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, > and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. > Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which > are > centers run by federationists but are often state funded. > > Are you completely blind? > > I would suggest these resources. > 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a > distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able > to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a > traditionally > certified instructor. > but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. > > 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your > needs. > You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have > one > for college students. > > 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults > in > the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good > resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not > want > classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how > ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their > adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to > go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do > recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you > might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint > questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also > think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing > information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really > they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office > jobs. > The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. > > 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in > apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. > > 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take > certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > All, > I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. > Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel > instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot > of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, > and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get > lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of > instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me > to say it, I get a lot of help. > > I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really > would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer > training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, > computers, etc – really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic > cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find > were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking > for. > > If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the > summer for training, please let me know. > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From dwebster125 at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 03:45:15 2014 From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster) Date: Sat, 25 Jan 2014 19:45:15 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <000f01cf1a49$08f480d0$1add8270$@gmail.com> No. Junior blind down in Los Angeles has it. They merged with hatlin but. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:05 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Dave, Who has a customer service program? Do you mean Hatlen? I did not think they did that. just clarifying. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Webster Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:52 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a year long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done with dpi. -----Original Message----- From: Ashley Bramlett Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer Hi, that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille and tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills to us. I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping skills and cane travel. But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other tech skills. I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you get O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have sidewalks and drive you to sites locally to teach you. I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this money to hire instructors. Is there a lighthouse in your area? I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I would have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons in adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves a variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which are centers run by federationists but are often state funded. Are you completely blind? I would suggest these resources. 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a traditionally certified instructor. but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your needs. You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have one for college students. 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults in the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not want classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office jobs. The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. HTH, Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Andy Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer All, I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I just really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, as much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc - really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, housekeeping, etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer for training, please let me know. Thanks. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Sun Jan 26 20:13:31 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 15:13:31 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <000f01cf1a49$08f480d0$1add8270$@gmail.com> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> <000f01cf1a49$08f480d0$1add8270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Are you set up with your state's voc rehab system? You may be able to get that kind of training through them over the summer. I know in Ohio I have a guy who is certified in Orientation and Mobility, and is also a rehab teacher. Similar individuals, or groups of people, would probably be able to help you in your state, and could be paid for by voc rehab. If you're not already set up with them, now would probably be the time to go through the process so you're ready to receive services over the summer. They do all kinds of good stuff, even a little tuition assistance in some states. On 1/25/14, Dave Webster wrote: > No. Junior blind down in Los Angeles has it. They merged with > hatlin but. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Dave, > Who has a customer service program? Do you mean Hatlen? I did not think > they > did that. just clarifying. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Webster > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by > the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the > davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very > traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and > house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the > program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its > out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a > year > long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I > get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma > out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done > with dpi. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi, > that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed > from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille > and > tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills > to > us. > I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. > The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; > these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, > daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. > > I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my > technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping > skills and cane travel. > But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other > tech skills. > I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide > weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this > training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you > get > O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have > sidewalks > and drive you to sites locally to teach you. > I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so > darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this > money to hire instructors. > Is there a lighthouse in your area? > > I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? > I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes > to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her > expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our > dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I > would > have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. > > You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more > community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. > Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! > want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home > to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care > for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more > community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to > partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose > vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do > not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent > regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this > should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them > they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other > magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they > hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is > sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or > telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they > already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons > in > adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. > > I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or > structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and > you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves > a > variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, > teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, > and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. > Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which > are > centers run by federationists but are often state funded. > > Are you completely blind? > > I would suggest these resources. > 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a > distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able > to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a > traditionally > certified instructor. > but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. > > 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your > needs. > You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have > one > for college students. > > 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults > in > the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good > resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not > want > classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how > ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their > adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to > go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do > recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you > might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint > questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also > think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing > information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really > they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office > jobs. > The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. > > 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in > apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. > > 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take > certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > All, > I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. > Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has > been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a > lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know > basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I > just > really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, > as > much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. > > I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would > prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program > would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc - > really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, > housekeeping, > etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep > programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. > > If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer > for training, please let me know. > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 01:31:00 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:31:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? Message-ID: Hi all, One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same results. Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book there? -- Kaiti From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:03:33 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:03:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:23:22 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:23:22 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com> I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "change the link to a URL." Are you trying to change the Web site address itself or the text inside a link? Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:03 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From filerime at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:26:12 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:26:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If you can find it as e-book to buy, you can open with Adobe Digital Editions. epub format is accessible and some pdf books are also accessible. 2014-01-26, Kaiti Shelton : > Hi all, > > One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An > Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music > class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that > athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before > they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few > things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have > had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and > requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I > then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't > varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I > do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media > Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it > available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have > IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 > percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same > results. > > Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or > how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book > there? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From zdreicer at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:26:26 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:26:26 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Registration for Student Connect 2014 In-Reply-To: <368781.98654.bm@smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> References: <3d5914cd113a4b63ab8d5b9304b4ec4b@BLUPR07MB066.namprd07.prod.outlook.com> <578130.62764.bm@smtp232.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> <230EF4D720A94ACD86A7F2D684C3CF5B@OwnerPC> <368781.98654.bm@smtp201.mail.bf1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: It takes place in Colorado. Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Jan 25, 2014, at 10:55, wrote: > > People from any state are welcome. > > Thanks, > > Cody > > > > From: Ashley Bramlett > Sent: ‎Saturday‎, ‎January‎ ‎25‎, ‎2014 ‎10‎:‎31‎ ‎AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > which states is this for? > > -----Original Message----- > From: codyjbair at yahoo.com > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 12:08 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Registration for Student Connect 2014 > > > > > > Sent from Windows Mail > > > > From: Antonio Rozier > Sent: ‎Thursday‎, ‎January‎ ‎23‎, ‎2014 ‎9‎:‎30‎ ‎AM > To > From: Jessica Beecham > Sent: Tuesday, January 21, 2014 5:42 PM > To: Julie Deden; Kevan Worley; Scott C. LaBarre; Dan Burke; Antonio Rozier; > Darian Smith (dsmithnfb at gmail.com) > Subject: Registration for Student Connect 2014 > > Hello Everyone > > We now have registration for Student Connect 2014 Western States Student > Seminar! > > http://studentconnect14.brownpapertickets.com > > We also have a twitter hashtag #studentconnect14 > > There is a FaceBook event > > https://www.facebook.com/events/502236816563563/ > > Join the event and invite your friends! > > Brent, Antonio, Dan and I are working on an agenda that we will be > circulating soon! > > Best Wishes > > Jess > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/codyjbair%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:34:34 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:34:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL In-Reply-To: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com> References: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3FA8B3C3A94E492C8905A4C41A46C361@Helga> Hi Chris, this is Helga! I'm trying to change the website address itself to a URL? And probably also the text inside the Link? Do you know how to do that? Just curious! Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "change the link to a URL." Are you trying to change the Web site address itself or the text inside a link? Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:03 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do > I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will > really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From mistydbradley at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:38:57 2014 From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:38:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL In-Reply-To: <3FA8B3C3A94E492C8905A4C41A46C361@Helga> References: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com> <3FA8B3C3A94E492C8905A4C41A46C361@Helga> Message-ID: <7FFBAE3122074F778BFDCC4F2A5C1A91@MistyBradleyPC> If you are trying to change a website address to a link that is a URL, such as www.amazon.com, you just add http to the beginning of it followed by a colon and two slashes. If you wanted to change it from www.amazon.com, it would look like this: http://www.amazon.com the http part is not required though, so both addresses basically do the same thing. Also, a link is the same as a URL, so it is just another way to say the same thing. I am not sure if this is what you are asking, but I hope it helps. Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL Hi Chris, this is Helga! I'm trying to change the website address itself to a URL? And probably also the text inside the Link? Do you know how to do that? Just curious! Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "change the link to a URL." Are you trying to change the Web site address itself or the text inside a link? Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:03 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do > I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will > really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 02:55:24 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:55:24 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL In-Reply-To: <7FFBAE3122074F778BFDCC4F2A5C1A91@MistyBradleyPC> References: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com><3FA8B3C3A94E492C8905A4C41A46C361@Helga> <7FFBAE3122074F778BFDCC4F2A5C1A91@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: Hi Misty, this is Helga! I would like to change this link to a URL https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities Do you know how to do that? Just wondering, since I would like to send it to someone. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:38 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL If you are trying to change a website address to a link that is a URL, such as www.amazon.com, you just add http to the beginning of it followed by a colon and two slashes. If you wanted to change it from www.amazon.com, it would look like this: http://www.amazon.com the http part is not required though, so both addresses basically do the same thing. Also, a link is the same as a URL, so it is just another way to say the same thing. I am not sure if this is what you are asking, but I hope it helps. Misty -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL Hi Chris, this is Helga! I'm trying to change the website address itself to a URL? And probably also the text inside the Link? Do you know how to do that? Just curious! Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:23 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "change the link to a URL." Are you trying to change the Web site address itself or the text inside a link? Chris Nusbaum, Secretary Maryland Association of Blind Students Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:03 PM, wrote: > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do > I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will > really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 27 03:37:27 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:37:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <03D9472B506D49B28D0715A56923C023@OwnerPC> but I did not think adobe digital editions was accessible. has that changed? -----Original Message----- From: Elif Emir Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? If you can find it as e-book to buy, you can open with Adobe Digital Editions. epub format is accessible and some pdf books are also accessible. 2014-01-26, Kaiti Shelton : > Hi all, > > One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An > Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music > class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that > athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before > they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few > things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have > had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and > requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I > then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't > varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I > do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media > Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it > available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have > IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 > percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same > results. > > Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or > how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book > there? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 27 03:54:08 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:54:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126194045.02184ea8@comcast.net> Hi, Arielle, You could look at whether you need take people's questions too personally for, it is posssible that, a best way to break apart the isolation in which most of us are languishing is by exposure, exposure, exposure and. a fair amount of laughter. Not enough of us share laughter with people, showing that we can and do often laugh at ourselves. People, we have seen over and over again, are gonna fear what they don't know, what they can't relate too. Yet, if you commiit to show all, talk about all, through our actions that we are like sighted people, observers might be more inclined to accept us, or, at least treat us like normal eating, shitting, sometimes wanting people. for today, Car 408-209-3239 approach. It is correct that >people will often judge all blind people based on their encounter >with one of us. However, worrying too much about the example you are >setting for all blind people can be unhealthy and counter-productive. >While I try to set a good example whenever I can, I also recognize >that I can't always control the example I am setting nor can I control >how others interpret it or what conclusions they draw from my >behavior. For example, I might insist on walking around the airport >independently, and some people may interpret that positively whereas >others may think I am trying too hard to prove my independence. As >human beings we often find ourselves with limited patience and >tolerance to respond to every question or comment that is thrown at >us. I try to set the best example possible while also trying not to >worry too much about how I am acting. > >Arielle > >On 12/8/13, Kirt wrote: > > Wow I am totally blind, and have therefore never had to deal with this > > particular situation, I feel very similarly conflicted about my obligation > > to educate the public. On the one hand, as Katie said, it just comes with > > the territory of being blind/legally blind/whatever. I recognize that, no > > matter what, I am an ambassador for the whole blind community and someways > > because, As ridiculous as this is, many people will base their entire > > conception of blind people in general around me because I am the only blind > > person they have ever met, and of course this will completely shake the way > > these people treat other blind people in the future. Also, again going back > > to Katie, A lot of people just don't know any better at first but, given > > patients and a little bit of time, they start to understand that blindness > > isn't really even close to the life ­ defining disaster they originally > > assumed it was. However, I also have the right to live my life as I damn > > well see fit, and that means I don't always have the time or energy or > > desire to answer the same questions over and over again at nausium for > > people who will probably never get over there preconceived notions of my > > inferiority anyhow. There comes a point where you just want to live your > > life without being constantly interrupted and > distracted from doing what you > > are trying to do and of course The point at which this happens it's up to > > each individual person. It seems to be a very > fine balancing act and I'll be > > totally honest and say I haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet. > > > > Sent from my iPhone > > > >> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Kaiti Shelton > >> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> Another thing I thought of when I read Suzanne's last response... I > >> mentioned this in my first email, but I think it deserves a little > >> more emphasis. > >> > >> The bottom line is that as blind people we are a minority. I think > >> sometimes, especially if you're a person who hangs around with other > >> blind people and/or people who know you or another blind person a lot > >> then we forget how clueless others can be. My roommates wouldn't > >> think of asking another blind person how they cook, clean, use a cane, > >> or read braille because they see me do it on a daily basis. Our > >> parents and friends would most likely not either. But for those who > >> do not know a single person who is blind they just don't know, and > >> sometimes in order to let them know we have to educate a little bit. > >> > >> Example: One of my roommates and I met because we took an intro to > >> philosophy class in our first semester. Our professor was a total > >> jerk, and liked to say rude things about people in the class... the > >> Chinese students, a Muslum student, a random girl who didn't appear to > >> have a minority issue for him to pick on at all, and me. What he > >> liked to do, it seemed, was ask questions to students and belittle > >> them, like asking the Islamic student if he had a similar concept of > >> God to Christians. When the student said his religion was really > >> parallel to Christianity, and that his book was a lot like the bible > >> with some extra material and different phrasing, the professor laughed > >> in his face. He asked me a stupid question about a mirror and did the > >> same kind of thing one day, and my then roommate stopped me after > >> class to tell me I should report the professor, since he was being > >> totally out of line. We then went on to study together, and found we > >> had some other classes together and lived on the same floor of our > >> dorm. Early on she did ask some questions about things like JAWS, > >> braille, etc, and had I not been willing to answer her questions and > >> educate her a little, I would have most likely pushed her away and not > >> gained one of my closest friends. She was still a stranger to me in > >> the beginning, but sometimes you have to be open to answering > >> questions. > >> > >> My roommates have both asked questions, and both have come to the > >> understanding that I am just as capable in school and in life as they > >> are. The only real difference is I do some things differently, and > >> now that they understand that it is no big deal. Other minority > >> groups have the same issue; deaf people educate about sign language > >> and deaf culture, wheelchair users have to go to bat for ramps and > >> elivators to make buildings accessible, etc. It's just part of the > >> territory, but things are a lot harder if we don't educate a > >> little---harder than they really need to be. If someone is a creep or > >> is too abrasive then the choice to educate is up to you, but when the > >> question is harmless and the person is just curious a little > >> explanation isn't that hard to give. > >> > >>> On 12/8/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: > >>> Why are you assuming we haven't had these experiences just because of our > >>> answers? I said I usually don't mind answering so obviously I get these > >>> questions. My experience has been far worse then questions. I spent my > >>> entire childhood being teased or rude comments about my vision so frankly > >>> I > >>> would rather have someone ask me a question then have a bus driver kick > >>> me > >>> off the bus because he did not believe I was blind and thought my guide > >>> dog > >>> was fake because I help by hand up to my face to see my coins before I > >>> paid. Or all the shit I heard when I used a cane "You're not blind" > >>> > >>> No, I would much rather have someone ask about my vision. > >>> > >>> You say you don't want to educate people. Well, maybe if they were > >>> educated > >>> by someone then they wouldn't have asked you. > >>> > >>> When I get the comment "Maybe you should buy some glasses" or "Can/t you > >>> afford glasses" or "Are you on drugs" I have no problem saying I am > >>> legally > >>> blind and it cannot be corrected with glasses and maybe they won't be > >>> such > >>> an ass to the next person they see with a book right up against their > >>> face. > >>> I get the drug one because I squint. > >>> > >>> The more that people understand about the different levels of blindness > >>> and > >>> how we can all do things with our accommodations, the more likely they > >>> will > >>> be to hire us when we apply for jobs. So yes, unfortunately it falls upon > >>> us to educate people. > >>> > >>> > >>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hello Steve and all, > >>>> > >>>> I only mentioned nFB philosophy as a means to try and explain my > >>>> questions > >>>> more to this email list. > >>>> > >>>> I honestly do not understand why I have to be some great educator of the > >>>> blind when this is not a role I wish to take on in my life. I would > >>>> rather > >>>> be able to go about living my life without the constant interruptions > >>>> and > >>>> interference by sighted people. I do not want to have to explain to some > >>>> stranger standing with me on the street corner waiting to cross the > >>>> street > >>>> how much eyesight I have or how I am able to cross the street as a blind > >>>> person. I do not want to have to explain to someone whether or not I am > >>>> blind or legally blind when they believe one must have some sort of > >>>> eyesight to perform some sort of task, and the more eyesight one has, > >>>> the > >>>> more likely a person is able to perform the task. And I know this one > >>>> was > >>>> not mentioned in my previous posts, but I do not want strangers grabbing > >>>> my > >>>> arm thinking I am in need of assistance when I am just going about the > >>>> normal business of my life. I just never really know what to say to > >>>> these > >>>> people in some two second interaction with them to be able to fully > >>>> answer > >>>> their curiosity, or to get them to leave me alone. > >>>> > >>>> I just thought maybe other blind people have encountered these kinds of > >>>> questions from strangers, and could provide some suggestions as to how I > >>>> could go about dealing with these kinds of people in my life. However, > >>>> based on the responses I have received thus far, it would seem as though > >>>> most people on this list have not encountered these kinds of questions > >>>> in > >>>> their lives, or believe there is some big distinction between being > >>>> legally > >>>> blind and blind. All I was looking for were some suggestions as to how I > >>>> could go about dealing with this situation better so I do not look like > >>>> some stupid fool trying to figure out what to say when I really do not > >>>> know > >>>> what to say. I am sorry if this email list was the wrong place for me to > >>>> pose my question. > >>>> > >>>> Elizabeth > >>>> -------------------------------------------------- > >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" > >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:23 AM > >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> > >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind > >>>> > >>>> Elizabeth, > >>>>> > >>>>> One always has to remember that just because we have a philosophy in > >>>>> the > >>>>> NFB, that doesn't mean that everyone is even aware of it. It is > >>>>> completely > >>>>> normal for members of the public to not understand what we believe or > >>>>> even know about it. Also, the public, in my experience, has more > >>>>> trouble > >>>>> understanding blind people with some vision than those of us who are > >>>>> totally blind. They do think that the more vision one has the better > >>>>> off > >>>>> one is. What > >>>>> I have seen is that sometimes it is harder for people with low vision > >>>>> than it is for me because they are so often told and almost forced to > >>>>> struggle with the > >>>>> little vision they have rather than to learn how to do things other > >>>>> ways. > >>>>> Often the public assumes that "legally blind" means no vision so when > >>>>> they > >>>>> meet > >>>>> someone who can obviously see a little, they are sometimes even a > >>>>> little > >>>>> suspicious. All of this is pretty normal. Our philosophy is something > >>>>> we > >>>>> try to > >>>>> teach people, it is not something everyone knows already. > >>>>> > >>>>> How you handle a particular incident is something only you can > >>>>> determine. > >>>>> However, how each of us deals with the public does affect all of us to > >>>>> some > >>>>> degree. Just because someone decides they are not going to represent > >>>>> the > >>>>> blind doesn't stop them from doing just that because the public > >>>>> determines > >>>>> how they get their information not each of us. We all need to keep > >>>>> working to change this, but it is what it is. > >>>>> > >>>>> Best regards, > >>>>> > >>>>> Steve Jacobson\ > >>>>> > >>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >>>>>>> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>> Hello All, > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thank you for the responses thus far. However, how do I > >>>>>>> even answer a question that I really do not know how to answer > >>>>>>> myself? > >>>>>>> Why > >>>>>>> should I spend five minutes trying to stumble through some sort of > >>>>>>> answer > >>>>>>> with a stranger I am most likely never going to see again? I do not > >>>>>>> know > >>>>>>> why strangers are asking me if I am blind or legally blind except to > >>>>>>> figure > >>>>>>> out how much I can see or not see. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> But I am just wondering what difference that really makes when the > >>>>>>> NFB > >>>>>>> teaches that blind people are really no different than sighted > >>>>>>> people, > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> with the right tools and attitudes, we can do pretty much anything > >>>>>>> that > >>>>>>> a > >>>>>>> sighted person can do. If these beliefs are true, then what > >>>>>>> difference > >>>>>>> does > >>>>>>> it make as to how much I can see or not see. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> It just seems to me that when people ask me these questions they are > >>>>>>> trying to imply that I must have some sight because how could a > >>>>>>> person > >>>>>>> be > >>>>>>> able to function without any sight. It is almost like people are > >>>>>>> trying > >>>>>>> to > >>>>>>> tell me that the more eyesight a person has the better off they are > >>>>>>> in > >>>>>>> life. How exactly am I suppose to deal with these kinds of questions > >>>>>>> when > >>>>>>> my encounter with these people is rather brief, and I would rather > >>>>>>> not > >>>>>>> deal > >>>>>>> with what seems to me like some form of idiotic line of thinking? > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What exactly should I say to these people if what I am saying is the > >>>>>>> wrong > >>>>>>> thing, and I really do not know how to briefly describe what I can > >>>>>>> and > >>>>>>> cannot see, or even wish to describe it in the first place? I would > >>>>>>> give a > >>>>>>> specific example of how I encountered this situation from the other > >>>>>>> day, > >>>>>>> but I am afraid it would only spear the conversation away from the > >>>>>>> real > >>>>>>> heart of the issue. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Again, this is just something I have been struggling with lately. So > >>>>>>> I > >>>>>>> was just interested in how other people deal with these kinds of > >>>>>>> questions > >>>>>>> from other people in their lives. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Elizabeth > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > >>>>>> steve.jacobson%40visi.com > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>>> nabs-l: > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ > >>>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> nabs-l mailing list > >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>>> nabs-l: > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > >> > >> > >> -- > >> Kaiti > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Jan 27 03:54:37 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:54:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: <03D9472B506D49B28D0715A56923C023@OwnerPC> References: <03D9472B506D49B28D0715A56923C023@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <4C3249A1-F230-4EC6-86FC-BFBBF1A54BF3@fuse.net> This is a longshot, but maybe try googling some text of the book and you may find a PDF of it. Also if you haven't try learning Ally. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:37 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: > > but I did not think adobe digital editions was accessible. has that changed? > > -----Original Message----- From: Elif Emir > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? > > If you can find it as e-book to buy, you can open with Adobe Digital Editions. > epub format is accessible and some pdf books are also accessible. > > 2014-01-26, Kaiti Shelton : >> Hi all, >> >> One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An >> Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music >> class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that >> athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before >> they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few >> things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have >> had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and >> requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I >> then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't >> varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I >> do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media >> Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it >> available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have >> IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 >> percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same >> results. >> >> Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or >> how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book >> there? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Mon Jan 27 04:04:13 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:04:13 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL In-Reply-To: References: <07A37398-EBDC-4EA4-87E5-5485DFED7594@gmail.com> <3FA8B3C3A94E492C8905A4C41A46C361@Helga> <7FFBAE3122074F778BFDCC4F2A5C1A91@MistyBradleyPC> Message-ID: <4E4AD0ED-346F-4D9A-9959-EF669FFF055E@fuse.net> Are you referring to making it so jaws references as a link? A double return oneither side should work. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:55 PM, wrote: > > Hi Misty, this is Helga! I would like to change this link to a URL > https://www.change.org/petitions/pass-teach-act-equal-access-to-educational-materials-for-students-with-disabilities > Do you know how to do that? Just wondering, since I would like to send it to someone. Thanks and God bless!! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Misty Dawn Bradley > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:38 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL > > If you are trying to change a website address to a link that is a URL, such > as www.amazon.com, you just add http to the beginning of it followed by a > colon and two slashes. If you wanted to change it from www.amazon.com, it > would look like this: > http://www.amazon.com > the http part is not required though, so both addresses basically do the > same thing. Also, a link is the same as a URL, so it is just another way to > say the same thing. > I am not sure if this is what you are asking, but I hope it helps. > Misty > > > -----Original Message----- From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:34 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL > > Hi Chris, this is Helga! I'm trying to change the website address itself to > a URL? And probably also the text inside the Link? Do you know how to do > that? Just curious! Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum > Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:23 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to change a link to a URL > > I'm not sure I understand what you mean by saying "change the link to a > URL." Are you trying to change the Web site address itself or the text > inside a link? > > Chris Nusbaum, Secretary > Maryland Association of Blind Students > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 9:03 PM, wrote: >> >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, How do I change a link to a URL? Do you know how to do it? Just curious! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mistydbradley%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From kaybaycar at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 04:29:37 2014 From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 22:29:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126194045.02184ea8@comcast.net> References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126194045.02184ea8@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi Elizabeth, Very good discussion! I have encountered this before, and I usually come back with a quip like "I can see just enough to get me in trouble." Or "I can't see anything too small or too far away." Both of these things are true, but they are also kind of general. Sometimes they make people ask more questions, but most of the time, the sighted person is confused and lets me go. I, like Arielle, don't usually mind sharing stuff about my life, my blindness, my dog(usually the topic under discussion), but I won't always share. I am often late for class, and no one is going to stop me when I'm running late. :) When I have a more extensive conversation with a classmate or a teacher, I like to make them think. One of my favorite things to tell them is that one of my best friends is blind and is a visual learner. They are often amazed that a blind person can be a visual learner. It helps them to understand the importance of Braille, since they usually believe that we have a perfect auditory memory or something. When I was working my dog, I used to always explain to them that the dog does not take care of me, tell me when to cross the street, or find my campus from all the way across the city. When I am with one of my blind friends, she and I like to tease each other about being blind. This seriously offends some sighted people... But once they get over it, maybe they recognize that we are comfortable with ourselves and our blindness. I'm not gonna lie; sometimes it's fun to mess with sighted people and educate them. Maybe it's the student in me, but I love to make people think. On 1/26/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Arielle, > > You could look at whether you need take > people's questions too personally for, it is > posssible that, a best way to break apart the > isolation in which most of us are languishing is > by exposure, exposure, exposure and. a fair > amount of laughter. Not enough of us share > laughter with people, showing that we can and do > often laugh at ourselves. People, we have seen > over and over again, are gonna fear what they > don't know, what they can't relate too. Yet, if > you commiit to show all, talk about all, through > our actions that we are like sighted people, > observers might be more inclined to accept us, > or, at least treat us like normal eating, shitting, sometimes wanting > people. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > approach. It is correct that >>people will often judge all blind people based on their encounter >>with one of us. However, worrying too much about the example you are >>setting for all blind people can be unhealthy and counter-productive. >>While I try to set a good example whenever I can, I also recognize >>that I can't always control the example I am setting nor can I control >>how others interpret it or what conclusions they draw from my >>behavior. For example, I might insist on walking around the airport >>independently, and some people may interpret that positively whereas >>others may think I am trying too hard to prove my independence. As >>human beings we often find ourselves with limited patience and >>tolerance to respond to every question or comment that is thrown at >>us. I try to set the best example possible while also trying not to >>worry too much about how I am acting. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 12/8/13, Kirt wrote: >> > Wow I am totally blind, and have therefore never had to deal with this >> > particular situation, I feel very similarly conflicted about my >> > obligation >> > to educate the public. On the one hand, as Katie said, it just comes >> > with >> > the territory of being blind/legally blind/whatever. I recognize that, >> > no >> > matter what, I am an ambassador for the whole blind community and >> > someways >> > because, As ridiculous as this is, many people will base their entire >> > conception of blind people in general around me because I am the only >> > blind >> > person they have ever met, and of course this will completely shake the >> > way >> > these people treat other blind people in the future. Also, again going >> > back >> > to Katie, A lot of people just don't know any better at first but, >> > given >> > patients and a little bit of time, they start to understand that >> > blindness >> > isn't really even close to the life ­ defining disaster they originally >> > assumed it was. However, I also have the right to live my life as I >> > damn >> > well see fit, and that means I don't always have the time or energy or >> > desire to answer the same questions over and over again at nausium for >> > people who will probably never get over there preconceived notions of >> > my >> > inferiority anyhow. There comes a point where you just want to live >> > your >> > life without being constantly interrupted and >> distracted from doing what you >> > are trying to do… and of course The point at which this happens it's up >> > to >> > each individual person. It seems to be a very >> fine balancing act and I'll be >> > totally honest and say I haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Kaiti Shelton >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Another thing I thought of when I read Suzanne's last response... I >> >> mentioned this in my first email, but I think it deserves a little >> >> more emphasis. >> >> >> >> The bottom line is that as blind people we are a minority. I think >> >> sometimes, especially if you're a person who hangs around with other >> >> blind people and/or people who know you or another blind person a lot >> >> then we forget how clueless others can be. My roommates wouldn't >> >> think of asking another blind person how they cook, clean, use a cane, >> >> or read braille because they see me do it on a daily basis. Our >> >> parents and friends would most likely not either. But for those who >> >> do not know a single person who is blind they just don't know, and >> >> sometimes in order to let them know we have to educate a little bit. >> >> >> >> Example: One of my roommates and I met because we took an intro to >> >> philosophy class in our first semester. Our professor was a total >> >> jerk, and liked to say rude things about people in the class... the >> >> Chinese students, a Muslum student, a random girl who didn't appear to >> >> have a minority issue for him to pick on at all, and me. What he >> >> liked to do, it seemed, was ask questions to students and belittle >> >> them, like asking the Islamic student if he had a similar concept of >> >> God to Christians. When the student said his religion was really >> >> parallel to Christianity, and that his book was a lot like the bible >> >> with some extra material and different phrasing, the professor laughed >> >> in his face. He asked me a stupid question about a mirror and did the >> >> same kind of thing one day, and my then roommate stopped me after >> >> class to tell me I should report the professor, since he was being >> >> totally out of line. We then went on to study together, and found we >> >> had some other classes together and lived on the same floor of our >> >> dorm. Early on she did ask some questions about things like JAWS, >> >> braille, etc, and had I not been willing to answer her questions and >> >> educate her a little, I would have most likely pushed her away and not >> >> gained one of my closest friends. She was still a stranger to me in >> >> the beginning, but sometimes you have to be open to answering >> >> questions. >> >> >> >> My roommates have both asked questions, and both have come to the >> >> understanding that I am just as capable in school and in life as they >> >> are. The only real difference is I do some things differently, and >> >> now that they understand that it is no big deal. Other minority >> >> groups have the same issue; deaf people educate about sign language >> >> and deaf culture, wheelchair users have to go to bat for ramps and >> >> elivators to make buildings accessible, etc. It's just part of the >> >> territory, but things are a lot harder if we don't educate a >> >> little---harder than they really need to be. If someone is a creep or >> >> is too abrasive then the choice to educate is up to you, but when the >> >> question is harmless and the person is just curious a little >> >> explanation isn't that hard to give. >> >> >> >>> On 12/8/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> Why are you assuming we haven't had these experiences just because of >> >>> our >> >>> answers? I said I usually don't mind answering so obviously I get >> >>> these >> >>> questions. My experience has been far worse then questions. I spent >> >>> my >> >>> entire childhood being teased or rude comments about my vision so >> >>> frankly >> >>> I >> >>> would rather have someone ask me a question then have a bus driver >> >>> kick >> >>> me >> >>> off the bus because he did not believe I was blind and thought my >> >>> guide >> >>> dog >> >>> was fake because I help by hand up to my face to see my coins before >> >>> I >> >>> paid. Or all the shit I heard when I used a cane "You're not blind" >> >>> >> >>> No, I would much rather have someone ask about my vision. >> >>> >> >>> You say you don't want to educate people. Well, maybe if they were >> >>> educated >> >>> by someone then they wouldn't have asked you. >> >>> >> >>> When I get the comment "Maybe you should buy some glasses" or "Can/t >> >>> you >> >>> afford glasses" or "Are you on drugs" I have no problem saying I am >> >>> legally >> >>> blind and it cannot be corrected with glasses and maybe they won't be >> >>> such >> >>> an ass to the next person they see with a book right up against their >> >>> face. >> >>> I get the drug one because I squint. >> >>> >> >>> The more that people understand about the different levels of >> >>> blindness >> >>> and >> >>> how we can all do things with our accommodations, the more likely >> >>> they >> >>> will >> >>> be to hire us when we apply for jobs. So yes, unfortunately it falls >> >>> upon >> >>> us to educate people. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hello Steve and all, >> >>>> >> >>>> I only mentioned nFB philosophy as a means to try and explain my >> >>>> questions >> >>>> more to this email list. >> >>>> >> >>>> I honestly do not understand why I have to be some great educator of >> >>>> the >> >>>> blind when this is not a role I wish to take on in my life. I would >> >>>> rather >> >>>> be able to go about living my life without the constant >> >>>> interruptions >> >>>> and >> >>>> interference by sighted people. I do not want to have to explain to >> >>>> some >> >>>> stranger standing with me on the street corner waiting to cross the >> >>>> street >> >>>> how much eyesight I have or how I am able to cross the street as a >> >>>> blind >> >>>> person. I do not want to have to explain to someone whether or not I >> >>>> am >> >>>> blind or legally blind when they believe one must have some sort of >> >>>> eyesight to perform some sort of task, and the more eyesight one >> >>>> has, >> >>>> the >> >>>> more likely a person is able to perform the task. And I know this >> >>>> one >> >>>> was >> >>>> not mentioned in my previous posts, but I do not want strangers >> >>>> grabbing >> >>>> my >> >>>> arm thinking I am in need of assistance when I am just going about >> >>>> the >> >>>> normal business of my life. I just never really know what to say to >> >>>> these >> >>>> people in some two second interaction with them to be able to fully >> >>>> answer >> >>>> their curiosity, or to get them to leave me alone. >> >>>> >> >>>> I just thought maybe other blind people have encountered these kinds >> >>>> of >> >>>> questions from strangers, and could provide some suggestions as to >> >>>> how I >> >>>> could go about dealing with these kinds of people in my life. >> >>>> However, >> >>>> based on the responses I have received thus far, it would seem as >> >>>> though >> >>>> most people on this list have not encountered these kinds of >> >>>> questions >> >>>> in >> >>>> their lives, or believe there is some big distinction between being >> >>>> legally >> >>>> blind and blind. All I was looking for were some suggestions as to >> >>>> how I >> >>>> could go about dealing with this situation better so I do not look >> >>>> like >> >>>> some stupid fool trying to figure out what to say when I really do >> >>>> not >> >>>> know >> >>>> what to say. I am sorry if this email list was the wrong place for me >> >>>> to >> >>>> pose my question. >> >>>> >> >>>> Elizabeth >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:23 AM >> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind >> >>>> >> >>>> Elizabeth, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> One always has to remember that just because we have a philosophy >> >>>>> in >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> NFB, that doesn't mean that everyone is even aware of it. It is >> >>>>> completely >> >>>>> normal for members of the public to not understand what we believe >> >>>>> or >> >>>>> even know about it. Also, the public, in my experience, has more >> >>>>> trouble >> >>>>> understanding blind people with some vision than those of us who >> >>>>> are >> >>>>> totally blind. They do think that the more vision one has the >> >>>>> better >> >>>>> off >> >>>>> one is. What >> >>>>> I have seen is that sometimes it is harder for people with low >> >>>>> vision >> >>>>> than it is for me because they are so often told and almost forced >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> struggle with the >> >>>>> little vision they have rather than to learn how to do things other >> >>>>> ways. >> >>>>> Often the public assumes that "legally blind" means no vision so >> >>>>> when >> >>>>> they >> >>>>> meet >> >>>>> someone who can obviously see a little, they are sometimes even a >> >>>>> little >> >>>>> suspicious. All of this is pretty normal. Our philosophy is >> >>>>> something >> >>>>> we >> >>>>> try to >> >>>>> teach people, it is not something everyone knows already. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How you handle a particular incident is something only you can >> >>>>> determine. >> >>>>> However, how each of us deals with the public does affect all of us >> >>>>> to >> >>>>> some >> >>>>> degree. Just because someone decides they are not going to >> >>>>> represent >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> blind doesn't stop them from doing just that because the public >> >>>>> determines >> >>>>> how they get their information not each of us. We all need to keep >> >>>>> working to change this, but it is what it is. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Steve Jacobson\ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hello All, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thank you for the responses thus far. However, how do I >> >>>>>>> even answer a question that I really do not know how to answer >> >>>>>>> myself? >> >>>>>>> Why >> >>>>>>> should I spend five minutes trying to stumble through some sort >> >>>>>>> of >> >>>>>>> answer >> >>>>>>> with a stranger I am most likely never going to see again? I do >> >>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>> know >> >>>>>>> why strangers are asking me if I am blind or legally blind except >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> figure >> >>>>>>> out how much I can see or not see. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> But I am just wondering what difference that really makes when >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> NFB >> >>>>>>> teaches that blind people are really no different than sighted >> >>>>>>> people, >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> with the right tools and attitudes, we can do pretty much >> >>>>>>> anything >> >>>>>>> that >> >>>>>>> a >> >>>>>>> sighted person can do. If these beliefs are true, then what >> >>>>>>> difference >> >>>>>>> does >> >>>>>>> it make as to how much I can see or not see. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It just seems to me that when people ask me these questions they >> >>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>> trying to imply that I must have some sight because how could a >> >>>>>>> person >> >>>>>>> be >> >>>>>>> able to function without any sight. It is almost like people are >> >>>>>>> trying >> >>>>>>> to >> >>>>>>> tell me that the more eyesight a person has the better off they >> >>>>>>> are >> >>>>>>> in >> >>>>>>> life. How exactly am I suppose to deal with these kinds of >> >>>>>>> questions >> >>>>>>> when >> >>>>>>> my encounter with these people is rather brief, and I would >> >>>>>>> rather >> >>>>>>> not >> >>>>>>> deal >> >>>>>>> with what seems to me like some form of idiotic line of thinking? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What exactly should I say to these people if what I am saying is >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> wrong >> >>>>>>> thing, and I really do not know how to briefly describe what I >> >>>>>>> can >> >>>>>>> and >> >>>>>>> cannot see, or even wish to describe it in the first place? I >> >>>>>>> would >> >>>>>>> give a >> >>>>>>> specific example of how I encountered this situation from the >> >>>>>>> other >> >>>>>>> day, >> >>>>>>> but I am afraid it would only spear the conversation away from >> >>>>>>> the >> >>>>>>> real >> >>>>>>> heart of the issue. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Again, this is just something I have been struggling with lately. >> >>>>>>> So >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> was just interested in how other people deal with these kinds of >> >>>>>>> questions >> >>>>>>> from other people in their lives. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Elizabeth >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>>>> for >> >>>>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>>> for >> >>>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> >>>>>> steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>>> for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> >>>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>>> for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.edu >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kaiti >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail.com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 From filerime at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 04:31:04 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:31:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: <4C3249A1-F230-4EC6-86FC-BFBBF1A54BF3@fuse.net> References: <03D9472B506D49B28D0715A56923C023@OwnerPC> <4C3249A1-F230-4EC6-86FC-BFBBF1A54BF3@fuse.net> Message-ID: I'm using adobe digital editions 2.0 and have no problem in terms of accessibility. Now the 3.0 version is available, probably better. It just took some time for me to get used to it. I can easily jump up the page that I need. Beyond, if I stop reading for example at page 111 and close the book or the program, I'll see the same page when I reopen it. However, still prefer a word document. Anyway this give me freedom to buy most of the current books and read without waiting for an accessible format. 2014-01-26, Lillie Pennington : > This is a longshot, but maybe try googling some text of the book and you may > find a PDF of it. Also if you haven't try learning Ally. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:37 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" >> wrote: >> >> but I did not think adobe digital editions was accessible. has that >> changed? >> >> -----Original Message----- From: Elif Emir >> Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:26 PM >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? >> >> If you can find it as e-book to buy, you can open with Adobe Digital >> Editions. >> epub format is accessible and some pdf books are also accessible. >> >> 2014-01-26, Kaiti Shelton : >>> Hi all, >>> >>> One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An >>> Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music >>> class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that >>> athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before >>> they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few >>> things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have >>> had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and >>> requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I >>> then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't >>> varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I >>> do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media >>> Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it >>> available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have >>> IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 >>> percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same >>> results. >>> >>> Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or >>> how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book >>> there? >>> >>> -- >>> Kaiti >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 04:47:33 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:47:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind In-Reply-To: References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126194045.02184ea8@comcast.net> Message-ID: <001b01cf1b1a$e4e646b0$aeb2d410$@gmail.com> I like your attitude Julie. My responses vary from white lies, to blaten lies to truth. I like to mess with people; mostly just because. I figure that if you ask me a question when you have no right, then you get whatever answer I give you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 11:30 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind Hi Elizabeth, Very good discussion! I have encountered this before, and I usually come back with a quip like "I can see just enough to get me in trouble." Or "I can't see anything too small or too far away." Both of these things are true, but they are also kind of general. Sometimes they make people ask more questions, but most of the time, the sighted person is confused and lets me go. I, like Arielle, don't usually mind sharing stuff about my life, my blindness, my dog(usually the topic under discussion), but I won't always share. I am often late for class, and no one is going to stop me when I'm running late. :) When I have a more extensive conversation with a classmate or a teacher, I like to make them think. One of my favorite things to tell them is that one of my best friends is blind and is a visual learner. They are often amazed that a blind person can be a visual learner. It helps them to understand the importance of Braille, since they usually believe that we have a perfect auditory memory or something. When I was working my dog, I used to always explain to them that the dog does not take care of me, tell me when to cross the street, or find my campus from all the way across the city. When I am with one of my blind friends, she and I like to tease each other about being blind. This seriously offends some sighted people... But once they get over it, maybe they recognize that we are comfortable with ourselves and our blindness. I'm not gonna lie; sometimes it's fun to mess with sighted people and educate them. Maybe it's the student in me, but I love to make people think. On 1/26/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Hi, Arielle, > > You could look at whether you need take people's questions > too personally for, it is posssible that, a best way to break apart > the isolation in which most of us are languishing is by exposure, > exposure, exposure and. a fair amount of laughter. Not enough of us > share laughter with people, showing that we can and do often laugh at > ourselves. People, we have seen over and over again, are gonna fear > what they don't know, what they can't relate too. Yet, if you commiit > to show all, talk about all, through our actions that we are like > sighted people, observers might be more inclined to accept us, or, at > least treat us like normal eating, shitting, sometimes wanting people. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > approach. It is correct that >>people will often judge all blind people based on their encounter >>with one of us. However, worrying too much about the example you are >>setting for all blind people can be unhealthy and counter-productive. >>While I try to set a good example whenever I can, I also recognize >>that I can't always control the example I am setting nor can I control >>how others interpret it or what conclusions they draw from my >>behavior. For example, I might insist on walking around the airport >>independently, and some people may interpret that positively whereas >>others may think I am trying too hard to prove my independence. As >>human beings we often find ourselves with limited patience and >>tolerance to respond to every question or comment that is thrown at >>us. I try to set the best example possible while also trying not to >>worry too much about how I am acting. >> >>Arielle >> >>On 12/8/13, Kirt wrote: >> > Wow I am totally blind, and have therefore never had to deal with >> > this particular situation, I feel very similarly conflicted about >> > my obligation to educate the public. On the one hand, as Katie >> > said, it just comes with the territory of being blind/legally >> > blind/whatever. I recognize that, no matter what, I am an >> > ambassador for the whole blind community and someways because, As >> > ridiculous as this is, many people will base their entire >> > conception of blind people in general around me because I am the >> > only blind person they have ever met, and of course this will >> > completely shake the way these people treat other blind people in >> > the future. Also, again going back to Katie, A lot of people just >> > don't know any better at first but, given patients and a little bit >> > of time, they start to understand that blindness isn't really even >> > close to the life - defining disaster they originally assumed it >> > was. However, I also have the right to live my life as I damn well >> > see fit, and that means I don't always have the time or energy or >> > desire to answer the same questions over and over again at nausium >> > for people who will probably never get over there preconceived >> > notions of my inferiority anyhow. There comes a point where you >> > just want to live your life without being constantly interrupted >> > and >> distracted from doing what you >> > are trying to do. and of course The point at which this happens >> > it's up to each individual person. It seems to be a very >> fine balancing act and I'll be >> > totally honest and say I haven't quite gotten the hang of it yet. >> > >> > Sent from my iPhone >> > >> >> On Dec 8, 2013, at 11:35 AM, Kaiti Shelton >> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi all, >> >> >> >> Another thing I thought of when I read Suzanne's last response... >> >> I mentioned this in my first email, but I think it deserves a >> >> little more emphasis. >> >> >> >> The bottom line is that as blind people we are a minority. I >> >> think sometimes, especially if you're a person who hangs around >> >> with other blind people and/or people who know you or another >> >> blind person a lot then we forget how clueless others can be. My >> >> roommates wouldn't think of asking another blind person how they >> >> cook, clean, use a cane, or read braille because they see me do it >> >> on a daily basis. Our parents and friends would most likely not >> >> either. But for those who do not know a single person who is >> >> blind they just don't know, and sometimes in order to let them know we have to educate a little bit. >> >> >> >> Example: One of my roommates and I met because we took an intro to >> >> philosophy class in our first semester. Our professor was a total >> >> jerk, and liked to say rude things about people in the class... >> >> the Chinese students, a Muslum student, a random girl who didn't >> >> appear to have a minority issue for him to pick on at all, and me. >> >> What he liked to do, it seemed, was ask questions to students and >> >> belittle them, like asking the Islamic student if he had a similar >> >> concept of God to Christians. When the student said his religion >> >> was really parallel to Christianity, and that his book was a lot >> >> like the bible with some extra material and different phrasing, >> >> the professor laughed in his face. He asked me a stupid question >> >> about a mirror and did the same kind of thing one day, and my then >> >> roommate stopped me after class to tell me I should report the >> >> professor, since he was being totally out of line. We then went >> >> on to study together, and found we had some other classes together >> >> and lived on the same floor of our dorm. Early on she did ask >> >> some questions about things like JAWS, braille, etc, and had I not >> >> been willing to answer her questions and educate her a little, I >> >> would have most likely pushed her away and not gained one of my >> >> closest friends. She was still a stranger to me in the beginning, >> >> but sometimes you have to be open to answering questions. >> >> >> >> My roommates have both asked questions, and both have come to the >> >> understanding that I am just as capable in school and in life as >> >> they are. The only real difference is I do some things >> >> differently, and now that they understand that it is no big deal. >> >> Other minority groups have the same issue; deaf people educate >> >> about sign language and deaf culture, wheelchair users have to go >> >> to bat for ramps and elivators to make buildings accessible, etc. >> >> It's just part of the territory, but things are a lot harder if we >> >> don't educate a little---harder than they really need to be. If >> >> someone is a creep or is too abrasive then the choice to educate >> >> is up to you, but when the question is harmless and the person is >> >> just curious a little explanation isn't that hard to give. >> >> >> >>> On 12/8/13, Suzanne Germano wrote: >> >>> Why are you assuming we haven't had these experiences just >> >>> because of our answers? I said I usually don't mind answering so >> >>> obviously I get these questions. My experience has been far worse >> >>> then questions. I spent my entire childhood being teased or rude >> >>> comments about my vision so frankly I would rather have someone >> >>> ask me a question then have a bus driver kick me off the bus >> >>> because he did not believe I was blind and thought my guide dog >> >>> was fake because I help by hand up to my face to see my coins >> >>> before I paid. Or all the shit I heard when I used a cane "You're >> >>> not blind" >> >>> >> >>> No, I would much rather have someone ask about my vision. >> >>> >> >>> You say you don't want to educate people. Well, maybe if they >> >>> were educated by someone then they wouldn't have asked you. >> >>> >> >>> When I get the comment "Maybe you should buy some glasses" or >> >>> "Can/t you afford glasses" or "Are you on drugs" I have no >> >>> problem saying I am legally blind and it cannot be corrected with >> >>> glasses and maybe they won't be such an ass to the next person >> >>> they see with a book right up against their face. >> >>> I get the drug one because I squint. >> >>> >> >>> The more that people understand about the different levels of >> >>> blindness and how we can all do things with our accommodations, >> >>> the more likely they will be to hire us when we apply for jobs. >> >>> So yes, unfortunately it falls upon us to educate people. >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 10:40 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >>> wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Hello Steve and all, >> >>>> >> >>>> I only mentioned nFB philosophy as a means to try and explain my >> >>>> questions more to this email list. >> >>>> >> >>>> I honestly do not understand why I have to be some great >> >>>> educator of the blind when this is not a role I wish to take on >> >>>> in my life. I would rather be able to go about living my life >> >>>> without the constant interruptions and interference by sighted >> >>>> people. I do not want to have to explain to some stranger >> >>>> standing with me on the street corner waiting to cross the >> >>>> street how much eyesight I have or how I am able to cross the >> >>>> street as a blind person. I do not want to have to explain to >> >>>> someone whether or not I am blind or legally blind when they >> >>>> believe one must have some sort of eyesight to perform some sort >> >>>> of task, and the more eyesight one has, the more likely a person >> >>>> is able to perform the task. And I know this one was not >> >>>> mentioned in my previous posts, but I do not want strangers >> >>>> grabbing my arm thinking I am in need of assistance when I am >> >>>> just going about the normal business of my life. I just never >> >>>> really know what to say to these people in some two second >> >>>> interaction with them to be able to fully answer their >> >>>> curiosity, or to get them to leave me alone. >> >>>> >> >>>> I just thought maybe other blind people have encountered these >> >>>> kinds of questions from strangers, and could provide some >> >>>> suggestions as to how I could go about dealing with these kinds >> >>>> of people in my life. >> >>>> However, >> >>>> based on the responses I have received thus far, it would seem >> >>>> as though most people on this list have not encountered these >> >>>> kinds of questions in their lives, or believe there is some big >> >>>> distinction between being legally blind and blind. All I was >> >>>> looking for were some suggestions as to how I could go about >> >>>> dealing with this situation better so I do not look like some >> >>>> stupid fool trying to figure out what to say when I really do >> >>>> not know what to say. I am sorry if this email list was the >> >>>> wrong place for me to pose my question. >> >>>> >> >>>> Elizabeth >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> From: "Steve Jacobson" >> >>>> Sent: Saturday, December 07, 2013 11:23 AM >> >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" < >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blind Verses Legally Blind >> >>>> >> >>>> Elizabeth, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> One always has to remember that just because we have a >> >>>>> philosophy in the NFB, that doesn't mean that everyone is even >> >>>>> aware of it. It is completely normal for members of the public >> >>>>> to not understand what we believe or even know about it. Also, >> >>>>> the public, in my experience, has more trouble understanding >> >>>>> blind people with some vision than those of us who are totally >> >>>>> blind. They do think that the more vision one has the better >> >>>>> off one is. What I have seen is that sometimes it is harder >> >>>>> for people with low vision than it is for me because they are >> >>>>> so often told and almost forced to struggle with the little >> >>>>> vision they have rather than to learn how to do things other >> >>>>> ways. >> >>>>> Often the public assumes that "legally blind" means no vision >> >>>>> so when they meet someone who can obviously see a little, they >> >>>>> are sometimes even a little suspicious. All of this is pretty >> >>>>> normal. Our philosophy is something we try to teach people, it >> >>>>> is not something everyone knows already. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How you handle a particular incident is something only you can >> >>>>> determine. >> >>>>> However, how each of us deals with the public does affect all >> >>>>> of us to some degree. Just because someone decides they are >> >>>>> not going to represent the blind doesn't stop them from doing >> >>>>> just that because the public determines how they get their >> >>>>> information not each of us. We all need to keep working to >> >>>>> change this, but it is what it is. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Best regards, >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Steve Jacobson\ >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Fri, Dec 6, 2013 at 3:57 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke >> >>>>> > >>>>>>> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Hello All, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thank you for the responses thus far. However, how do I even >> >>>>>>> answer a question that I really do not know how to answer >> >>>>>>> myself? >> >>>>>>> Why >> >>>>>>> should I spend five minutes trying to stumble through some >> >>>>>>> sort of answer with a stranger I am most likely never going >> >>>>>>> to see again? I do not know why strangers are asking me if I >> >>>>>>> am blind or legally blind except to figure out how much I can >> >>>>>>> see or not see. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> But I am just wondering what difference that really makes >> >>>>>>> when the NFB teaches that blind people are really no >> >>>>>>> different than sighted people, and with the right tools and >> >>>>>>> attitudes, we can do pretty much anything that a sighted >> >>>>>>> person can do. If these beliefs are true, then what >> >>>>>>> difference does it make as to how much I can see or not see. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> It just seems to me that when people ask me these questions >> >>>>>>> they are trying to imply that I must have some sight because >> >>>>>>> how could a person be able to function without any sight. It >> >>>>>>> is almost like people are trying to tell me that the more >> >>>>>>> eyesight a person has the better off they are in life. How >> >>>>>>> exactly am I suppose to deal with these kinds of questions >> >>>>>>> when my encounter with these people is rather brief, and I >> >>>>>>> would rather not deal with what seems to me like some form of >> >>>>>>> idiotic line of thinking? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> What exactly should I say to these people if what I am saying >> >>>>>>> is the wrong thing, and I really do not know how to briefly >> >>>>>>> describe what I can and cannot see, or even wish to describe >> >>>>>>> it in the first place? I would give a specific example of how >> >>>>>>> I encountered this situation from the other day, but I am >> >>>>>>> afraid it would only spear the conversation away from the >> >>>>>>> real heart of the issue. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Again, this is just something I have been struggling with lately. >> >>>>>>> So >> >>>>>>> I >> >>>>>>> was just interested in how other people deal with these kinds >> >>>>>>> of questions from other people in their lives. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Elizabeth >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>>>>>> info for >> >>>>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>>>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40asu.ed >> u >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>>>>> info for >> >>>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> >>>>>> steve.jacobson%40visi.com >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>>>> info for >> >>>>> nabs-l: >> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ >> >>>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >> >>>> info for >> >>>> nabs-l: >> >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sgermano%40a >> >>>> su.edu >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> nabs-l mailing list >> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >>> for >> >>> nabs-l: >> >>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104 >> %40gmail.com >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Kaiti >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> nabs-l mailing list >> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> >> for >> >> nabs-l: >> >> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40 >> gmail.com >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> > for >> > nabs-l: >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gma >> > il.com >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast >>.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kaybaycar%40gmail. > com > -- Julie McG National Association of Guide dog Users board member, National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary, Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008 "For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal life." John 3:16 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From blacklotus86 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 05:27:10 2014 From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 23:27:10 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer In-Reply-To: <000f01cf1a49$08f480d0$1add8270$@gmail.com> References: <4616FBFFC3E04019A661E309F44CAF8B@OwnerPC> <5293AAA74DCB4ABB9B87E1E838840D21@DavePC> <9904E6B7B64D4334A3A2BB6638240FFC@OwnerPC> <000f01cf1a49$08f480d0$1add8270$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Andy, Does your university disability service pay for O&M training? If they don't, did you try DVR to pay it? What state are you in? If you can give us further information, everyone can be more helpful I guess. Good luck! Zeynep 2014-01-25, Dave Webster : > No. Junior blind down in Los Angeles has it. They merged with > hatlin but. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley > Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:05 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Dave, > Who has a customer service program? Do you mean Hatlen? I did not think > they > did that. just clarifying. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Dave Webster > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 7:52 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi. My name is Dave. I wanted to chime in a bit on this. Right now, by > the way I'm in California but I am in a program at Junior Blind called the > davidson program for independence. Its an ok program but it s very very > traditional. I'm just there to bursh up on some cane travel skills and > house keeping and cooking and stuff. I actually don't really like the > program because I'm getting bored with it. The Hatlin center is good. Its > out here in California up in San Pablo. I was gonna go but they have a > year > long waiting list so unfortunately dpi was the only one available. After I > get done with that I'm gonna be doing a customer service training progrma > out there that they have. its only 5 weeks. I'll be glad when I'm done > with dpi. > -----Original Message----- > From: Ashley Bramlett > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 4:26 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > Hi, > that's a tough question! The difficulties you have are common I've noticed > from my interactions with young blind and vi adults. We get good braille > and > tech skills in school, but vision teachers do not teach daily life skills > to > us. > I commend you for seeking resources to rectify these deficits. > The research I did involved transition camps for college students or teens; > these programs involve the whole range of skills like braille, technology, > daily living, travel skills and sometimes medical care instruction. > > I know what you mean; in college, I sought the same program since my > technology and braille skills were good; I just wanted the housekeeping > skills and cane travel. > But now out of college, I realize I need to update my computer and other > tech skills. > I would think a local agency like a lighthouse for the blind might provide > weekly private training; I mean they come to your home and give you this > training and even label appliances and tools so you can use them. If you > get > O&M, they will instruct you in your neighborhood provided you have > sidewalks > and drive you to sites locally to teach you. > I want to use their services at columbia lighthouse, but it would get so > darn expensive. ah, maybe if I have a part time job, I can use some of this > money to hire instructors. > Is there a lighthouse in your area? > > I might know of something; which state are you in, might I ask? > I had O&M growing up, but the teacher focussed so much on giving me routes > to follow that she did not teach generalized skills and I feel her > expectations were low; as an adult, I was fortunate to get more o&M by our > dept for the blind. But they can only serve you a few times a month. I > would > have gone further and learned more if they provided training every week. > > You know, in this free wealthy country, it is sad we do not have more > community resources to address skills for blind and vision impaired people. > Nfb might just say come to our centers, but the reality is people do not! > want to leave their environment for months. They would rather stay at home > to integrate skills in their own lives and homes. They have family to care > for or school to attend or other commitments. If we could provide more > community services, I think people with vision loss may be more inclined to > partake in services. Some people just want to use a computer as they lose > vision or learn how they can read again with magnifiers or braille; they do > not want the whole package of skills that NFB centers, and to much extent > regular centers offer. They just want some part of it, and I think this > should be respected, not have them shipped off to some centers telling them > they have to learn braille when they might read fine with a CCTV or other > magnifier or more lighting, telling them they have to use a cane when they > hate it and are not ready for a cane emotionally or maybe their vision is > sufficient to get around but not sufficient to say read a magazine, or > telling clients they have to take cooking for like five months when they > already knew how to cook as a sighted person and simply need some lessons > in > adaptive techniques of cooking which in this case they would be fine. > > I hope you find a sollution! Are you seeking some regular instruction or > structured discovery? The latter basically is based on problem solving and > you figure out a lot on your own where as traditional instruction involves > a > variety of techniques such as using maps, working on mental mapping, > teaching you traffic patterns by listening to traffic, sensory awareness, > and sometimes use of electronic devices like GPS systems. > Structured discovery is taught at NFB centers and nfb like centers which > are > centers run by federationists but are often state funded. > > Are you completely blind? > > I would suggest these resources. > 1. Call hadley school for the blind; they may have ideas. they are a > distance ed school; their O&M teacher who teaches intro to O&M may be able > to recommend an instructor; her name is Ginger Irwin. She is a > traditionally > certified instructor. > but this might involve you paying for it; or your parents paying I mean. > > 2. Carroll center in newton MA, may have a summer program to fit your > needs. > You are too old for the youth in transition program, but maybe they have > one > for college students. > > 3. Cleveland sight center in Ohio has a six week program for young adults > in > the summer. You live in apartments and get to have a job which is a good > resume builder. I know they individualize instruction, so if you do not > want > classes in braille or technology, they might honor that. I do not know how > ridgid the young adult program is, but when I called to inquire about their > adult program, they assured me that if you know a skill, and do not wish to > go further in it, you do not take that class. I might add though, I do > recommend you take computer classes because technology changes, and you > might benefit from more pc instruction. For instance, I see many powerpoint > questions here which means students do not know how to use that. I also > think basic excel skills are good to learn budgeting or simply storing > information. Sometimes people say their tech skills are great, but really > they don't know the whole office suite, and this is needed for many office > jobs. > The website is www.clevelandsightcenter.org. > > 4. The hatlen center might have summer offerings. you also live in > apartments there, so lots of practice cooking and cleaning. > > 5. Have you checked into your state rehab center? they might let you take > certain classes. I don't know if your state has one or not. > > HTH, > Ashley > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andy > Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:26 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Extensive Cane Travel During the Summer > > All, > I'm a college student (freshman) and I've been blind since birth. > Unfortunately throughout the years, my mobility/cane travel instruction has > been sporadic, at best. I'm finding that I lack a lot of skills: I have a > lot of difficulty crossing streets, for example, and don't really even know > basic traffic patterns. I find that I get lost a lot, and in general I > just > really need a great deal of instruction for mobility. To get around now, > as > much as it pains me to say it, I get a lot of help. > > I'm looking to rectify this situation. As I'm in college, I really would > prefer to not take a semester off, so some sort of summer training program > would be enormously helpful. I already know braille, computers, etc - > really all I need is mobility, and if possible, basic cooking, > housekeeping, > etc. I did some research, but all I could find were camps, college prep > programs, etc, which isn't what I'm looking for. > > If anyone has any suggestions on what might be out there during the summer > for training, please let me know. > Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. > net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blacklotus86%40gmail.com > From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 27 05:31:58 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:31:58 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126210815.0844a008@comcast.net> Hi, Arielle, and everyone, I was bienucleated (had both seeing organs removed) at age 18 months and first learned about race in 2nd grade while reading Alex Haley's _Roots. After that point, my interest in what race someone represents has its origin in my love of the natural dictates of people being encouraged, to be whichever racial/ethnic identity into which they were born. When I heard Julie Chen describe on the _View how she got an opporation to make her beautiful eyes rounder, I was mortified that some white racist bastard succeeded in planting in Julie's head that her eyes looked "shifty" and that, if she ever wanted to be big in the field of broadcasting like Connie Chung she would get this surgery. And, what would you know, she went through with it! On another hand though, this must have pre-dated the bizarre construct known as political correctness, which remains a reason to hide one's unadultterated dislike of someone or something instead use bullshit words that reallly have no meaning, to artfully dance arround the meat of a matter and lie, it is sanctioned lying this political correctness. Listen to someone spout that shit. It's like they're using all this meaningless verbeage and not saying anything! Okay, Carly, mellow out! for today, Car 408-209-3239 up /2014, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Hi all, > >Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a >fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks >learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the >article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a >society. >I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie in >school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. They >were talking about a time when a group called white people was treated >better than a group called black people in certain parts of the >country. I had never heard of white people or black people before. My >parents never discussed race at home, partly because they were >progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly because we >lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically everybody >was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, but didn't >know the difference. Of course the movie never said anything about >white and black people having different skin colors, since that was >supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went through the >lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference between white >and black people was completely arbitrary and very strange. >When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I >was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's >hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me >that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the >1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be >treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) >responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard >for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for >blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to >everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. >In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom >telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness gave >me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their >appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my question >was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually realized it >was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly thought that >my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on to that >because it made me feel like it made up for all the other ways in >which people thought my blindness made me inferior. >Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told >some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people >must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their >experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often >differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people >are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people >are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and >although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I >meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my >background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out >what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same >environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, >grew up without having significant racial prejudices. >In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a >lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have >discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became best >friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained about >her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, again, I >would have just found the comment and the situation peculiar. Anyway, >if I had been sighted, my first introduction to race might have been >different, but probably not worse. > >Arielle > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 27 05:51:46 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 21:51:46 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race In-Reply-To: References: <011e01cf1851$c4a99760$4dfcc620$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140126213845.08495d40@comcast.net> Evening, Arielle, A misconception that it seems people maintain is that blind people don't have the very same kinds of judging and catagorizing by using personal caricturistics such as smell, voice, accent. It fries my ass to no end when ol' Sighty is so consumed with information that is delivered via those ocular organs that, it is assumed that blind people's existences are absolutely void of the same things that for everyone else, is thought to lend lives meaning. In fact, we have tendancies which are equally superficial as ones which ol' Sighty seems to cling too, though the one's blind people subscribe to, as you pointed out are ones that to us hold meaning as vivid as that which ol' Sighty has about skin color. It is true, we are apt to notice things like smell, any affects to voice, accents, a particular way of speaking. Equally superficial and judgmental, just as meaningless to say, a sighted person as skin color is to us. Does this make sense? for today, Car 408-209-3239 At 05:01 PM 1/23/2014, Arielle Silverman wrote: >Unfortunately, I think blind people can still form first impressions >and judge others based on superficial criteria. Accents, voice pitch, >firmness of a handshake, body odor, height or weight cues we might get >from hugging or brushing up against a person, etc. We may have less >superficial cues than sighted people have to judge by, but the >human-nature tendency to categorize or judge people based on immediate >first impressions isn't something we are immune to. > >Arielle > >On 1/23/14, justin williams wrote: > > I have been around many a blind person who are extremely racist; one of the > > most craziest things I have ever seen. I have heard the slirs and > > everything. All of the racism I have seen is not through culture; > > sometimes, it is straight hate. I can understand an individual preferring > > certain cultures over others, but not disliking someone just do to a skin > > color, especially if they have never really met the person, blind or > > sighted. I don't prefer everyone's culture, though I think they are all > > necessary; However, I would always want to give a person a chance. I can > > move in and out of several cultures as a way of blending in, but that does > > not mean I identify completely with said culture. I could not see myself > > deciding to dislike a man or woman because they were of a different race. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ryan Silveira > > Sent: Thursday, January 23, 2014 9:38 AM > > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and Race > > > > This is a great story, Arielle. Like you, I used to think that blind > > people > > are "less" racist than sighted people. I don't necessarily think this is > > true. I think that blind people may be less apt to understand why people > > are judged by their skin color. I think the racism that blind people > > develop is more based on a cultural prejudice than one solely based on skin > > color. For example, a lot of black people have a certain way of speaking. > > That accent and speech pattern is due to their cultural and educational > > background, not to their skin color. A blind person can often tell when a > > person is black and develop a prejudice, but again, that is a cultural > > prejudice, not one based on skin color. I remember when I first learned > > about the races in the first grade, I could not for the life of me > > understand why people judged others based on their skin color. I still > > have > > a hard time grasping that fact. I think we, as a society, pay too much > > attention to what is on the outside and not enough attention to what is > > inside of a person--what makes you Arielle or me Ryan. I think that, > > because we cannot see skin color, we are more apt to judge a person based > > on > > their personality which is, in a way, somewhat less judgemental than > > someone > > who simply looks at a person and judges them by their skin color. That is > > not to say that we don't have our prejudices, but we are somewhat less > > judgemental because we can't see skin color or other physical traits. > > Thanks for sharing your story; it makes for a great discussion. > > > > Ryan > > > > On 1/22/14, Elif Emir wrote: > >> I love reading your story. Thanks for sharing it. > >> Elif > >> > >> 2014/1/22, Arielle Silverman : > >>> Hi all, > >>> > >>> Since I'm blind and also a social psychologist, I think this is a > >>> fascinating topic. I am curious how other congenitally blind folks > >>> learned about race and in what context. The stories relayed in the > >>> article are tragic and show us just how far we still have to go as a > >>> society. > >>> I will never forget the day in second grade when we watched a movie > >>> in school about Martin Luther King and the civil rights movement. > >>> They were talking about a time when a group called white people was > >>> treated better than a group called black people in certain parts of > >>> the country. I had never heard of white people or black people > >>> before. My parents never discussed race at home, partly because they > >>> were progressive and didn't think race was relevant, and partly > >>> because we lived in a very un-diverse neighborhood where practically > >>> everybody was white. I'd met a few black people by then, apparently, > >>> but didn't know the difference. Of course the movie never said > >>> anything about white and black people having different skin colors, > >>> since that was supposed to be obvious for sighted people. So I went > >>> through the lesson thinking the whole conflict and status difference > >>> between white and black people was completely arbitrary and very > >>> strange. > >>> When I got home I told my family about the movie and asked them if I > >>> was a white person or a black person. I still remember my mother's > >>> hesitation and the surprised tone in her voice when she informed me > >>> that I was white. I also remember asking why the black people in the > >>> 1950's didn't just dress up like white people if they wanted to be > >>> treated better, to which my sister (who was ten, and sighted) > >>> responded with characteristic sarcasm, "Um, it would be a little hard > >>> for them to do that". I didn't understand why it would be hard for > >>> blacks to dress up like whites, but it was apparently obvious to > >>> everyone else in the world, so I didn't ask. > >>> In the days and years thereafter, I would often overhear my mom > >>> telling this story to her friends and asserting that my blindness > >>> gave me a special gift of not being able to judge people by their > >>> appearance. I at first thought her hesitation in answering my > >>> question was because I had asked a stupid question. I eventually > >>> realized it was a kind of pride of my naivete. For many years I truly > >>> thought that my blindness protected me from being racist. I held on > >>> to that because it made me feel like it made up for all the other > >>> ways in which people thought my blindness made me inferior. > >>> Eventually, my view was challenged at an NFB convention, when I told > >>> some of my scholarship committee mentors that I thought blind people > >>> must be less racist than sighted people. They argued that in their > >>> experience this wasn't the case, and that blind people can often > >>> differentiate race by listening. Today, I believe that blind people > >>> are just as capable of developing racist attitudes as sighted people > >>> are. Although being blind allowed me to stay naive longer, and > >>> although I can sometimes, but not always, guess the race of folks I > >>> meet, the main reason for my lack of racial prejudice was from my > >>> background rather than my blindness. My sister obviously figured out > >>> what race meant before I did, even though we grew up in the same > >>> environment. She might have figured it out visually, but she, too, > >>> grew up without having significant racial prejudices. > >>> In some ways I am glad that my first exposure to race came from a > >>> lesson about MLK and civil rights. I am not sure how I would have > >>> discovered it otherwise. Perhaps a few years later, when I became > >>> best friends with a girl who lived in south Phoenix and complained > >>> about her black classmates calling her "white bread". Although, > >>> again, I would have just found the comment and the situation > >>> peculiar. Anyway, if I had been sighted, my first introduction to > >>> race might have been different, but probably not worse. > >>> > >>> Arielle > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> nabs-l mailing list > >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >>> nabs-l: > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail. > >>> com > >>> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> nabs-l mailing list > >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > >> nabs-l: > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40 > >> gmail.com > >> > > > > > > -- > > Ryan L. Silveira > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > > .com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 27 12:46:32 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:46:32 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Message-ID: Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way to get from the train station to the hotel? Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 13:07:40 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:07:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > > Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way to get from the train station to the hotel? > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From pompey2010 at yahoo.com Mon Jan 27 13:08:53 2014 From: pompey2010 at yahoo.com (Bobbi Pompey) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 08:08:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Amtrak Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> >> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way to get from the train station to the hotel? >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 14:05:45 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:05:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <6C45CCD8-CCD5-4A94-89A1-81F6B5C52442@gmail.com> Sorry, I can't help you there. I'm unfortunately not familiar with DC public transportation, as I use the metro much more often in Baltimore than in Washington. Hopefully someone else in the area will be able to assist. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:08 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > > Amtrak > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way to get from the train station to the hotel? >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 27 15:09:20 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:09:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7C95231190E140A98FAC971309FCDD8F@OwnerPC> also is there a student seminar today and when? -----Original Message----- From: Bobbi Pompey Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 7:46 AM To: Blind Students mailing list National Association of Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way to get from the train station to the hotel? Bobbi A. L. Pompey (336) 988-6375 pompey2010 at yahoo.com http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 15:17:44 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:17:44 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Metra is a walk away, I think that Amtrak calls for a cab although Google says it is 0.5 MI from Washington Union station if that's where you're going. Even still, with luggage and not knowing the streets, I'd probably take a $6 cab ride maybe $8 at the most with tip. The Holiday Inn Capitol is at 550 C St. SW btw and their number is good to have on hand. 1-202-479-4000. Cindy On 1/27/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Amtrak > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> >> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way >>> to get from the train station to the hotel? >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 15:18:35 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 07:18:35 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: Student seminar started at 9 in Discovery I. or II. I don't remember wish but down one set of stairs. Cindy On 1/27/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Metra is a walk away, I think that Amtrak calls for a cab although > Google says it is 0.5 MI from Washington Union station if that's where > you're going. Even still, with luggage and not knowing the streets, > I'd probably take a $6 cab ride maybe $8 at the most with tip. > > The Holiday Inn Capitol is at 550 C St. SW btw and their number is > good to have on hand. 1-202-479-4000. > > Cindy > > On 1/27/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> Amtrak >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way >>>> to get from the train station to the hotel? >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 15:46:40 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:46:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs Message-ID: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> Hi everyone, Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 15:53:50 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:53:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> Message-ID: <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed doodles. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: > > > > Hi everyone, > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 15:58:02 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:58:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <053FFBE4-C69C-4145-9FE1-8F1DBF993D5C@gmail.com> Thanks. Amanda > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:53 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed doodles. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >> >> >> >> Hi everyone, >> Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 27 16:21:02 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:21:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: <1FFDA598C8A64F0E9F7894C58E8C47E4@OwnerPC> I agree; take a cab; there are plenty from the train station -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Bennett Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:17 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Metra is a walk away, I think that Amtrak calls for a cab although Google says it is 0.5 MI from Washington Union station if that's where you're going. Even still, with luggage and not knowing the streets, I'd probably take a $6 cab ride maybe $8 at the most with tip. The Holiday Inn Capitol is at 550 C St. SW btw and their number is good to have on hand. 1-202-479-4000. Cindy On 1/27/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: > Amtrak > > Bobbi A. L. Pompey > (336) 988-6375 > pompey2010 at yahoo.com > http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> >> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>> >>> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way >>> to get from the train station to the hotel? >>> >>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>> (336) 988-6375 >>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Mon Jan 27 16:21:16 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:21:16 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Washington In-Reply-To: References: <40D01110-DD80-4757-B6C9-6C360E5876A0@gmail.com> Message-ID: thanks. good to know. -----Original Message----- From: Cindy Bennett Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:18 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Student seminar started at 9 in Discovery I. or II. I don't remember wish but down one set of stairs. Cindy On 1/27/14, Cindy Bennett wrote: > Metra is a walk away, I think that Amtrak calls for a cab although > Google says it is 0.5 MI from Washington Union station if that's where > you're going. Even still, with luggage and not knowing the streets, > I'd probably take a $6 cab ride maybe $8 at the most with tip. > > The Holiday Inn Capitol is at 550 C St. SW btw and their number is > good to have on hand. 1-202-479-4000. > > Cindy > > On 1/27/14, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >> Amtrak >> >> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >> (336) 988-6375 >> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >> >>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:07 AM, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>> Are you at the metro or Amtrak station? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 27, 2014, at 7:46 AM, Bobbi Pompey wrote: >>>> >>>> Hello, does any one going to or at Washington Seminar know the best way >>>> to get from the train station to the hotel? >>>> >>>> Bobbi A. L. Pompey >>>> (336) 988-6375 >>>> pompey2010 at yahoo.com >>>> http://pompey2050.wix.com/bobbi-pompey >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pompey2010%40yahoo.com >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Cindy Bennett > Secretary: National Association of Blind Students > > B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington > clb5590 at gmail.com > -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From sjhhirst at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 16:44:54 2014 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 10:44:54 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NFB of TN Convention Time In-Reply-To: <002e01cf1a1f$6f99ea20$4ecdbe60$@nfb-tn.org> References: <002e01cf1a1f$6f99ea20$4ecdbe60$@nfb-tn.org> Message-ID: In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: James Brown Date: Sat, Jan 25, 2014 at 4:47 PM Subject: NFB of TN Convention Time To: nfb.tennessee at gmail.com Hello Dear Federation Friends and Family: Below you will find a letter from our state secretary with state convention details. I hope that you all can make it to Nashville. I expect there will again this year be many new faces and new people to meet. Since last year’s convention, we have started new chapters in Johnson City and Clarksville as well as a new Guide dog division, so whether you are a member of the Parent’s of Blind Children Division, a blind merchant, or would like to get involved with an older blind division, there should be something for just about everyone! Almost all of the committee chairs will be new this year, and there will be a sign up sheet in the back of the general session room so people can sign up for the committees they would like to serve on. Also, get positive updates on the right to parent custody bill we passed last year and the new TEACH TN bill we introduced in the TN house and senate this week. I can’t wait for Angela Fredrick to tell you all about the Parenting Without Sight Training that will take place March 7. Almost every Department of Children Services Worker will be trained on the extraordinary abilities of blind parents while the NFB of Tennessee will serve as a vital resource to DCS when the department needs advice on how to relate to a blind parent. Please read Sharon’s convention details below. I can’t wait to see you at convention and don’t forget to reserve your rooms by February 11. Your NFBTN President, James Brown >From Secretary Sharon Tredway: Dear Members and Friends, The year has begun and we are preparing for our state convention! It is also time to renew state dues for the new year. Dues for 2014 will be $5.00 and must be to the treasurer by March 1,2014 in order to vote at convention. Please find details below. *Date: March7-9,2014* *Where: Holiday Inn Opryland* * 2300 Elm Hill Pike Nashville, TN* * Reservations can be made by calling 1-866-871-1171 <1-866-871-1171>* *The rate is $100.00 per night Plus tax. Our room block will be held until Feb 11, 2014. after that, the rate will not be guaranteed. Please make your reservations as soon as possible.* *When making reservations, ask for the block of rooms for the National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee.* *Convention Registration this year will be $10.00 and banquet Tickets $35.00* *All monies should be sent to the treasurer at the address below or turned in to your local chapter or division president.* *NFBTN Treasurer: Evelyn Hogue* *1429 Reata Pass * *Memphis, TN. 38109* *Thank You,* *Sharon Treadway* *Secretary NFB Of Tennessee* James Brown, President National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee Web: www.nfb-tn.org E-mail: president at nfb-tn.org Phone: 615.412.9632 [image: National Federation of the Blind logo and tagline - Voice of the Nation's Blind] James Brown, President National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee Web: www.nfb-tn.org E-mail: president at nfb-tn.org Phone: 615.412.9632 [image: National Federation of the Blind logo and tagline - Voice of the Nation's Blind] -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.gif Type: image/gif Size: 14559 bytes Desc: not available URL: From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 27 17:43:39 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 09:43:39 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] training and gaps in a resume In-Reply-To: <4BA7256D54E64FB8A7F6A0E1D8FEA15F@OwnerPC> References: <4BA7256D54E64FB8A7F6A0E1D8FEA15F@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140127093548.012a10e0@comcast.net> Good morning, Ashley, Did I see your unwillinness to what is it? "disclose?" Will it ultimately make any difference whether you disclose to your employer or, perpetuate some typa well-justified technicality which is, effectively deceatful? Get over yourself! Stop playing games. It takes us all and, if they said there ought not be blind peple, you would be outraged. Be blind, and proud! for today, Car 408-209-3239 I was brain damaged at one point a 3-month coma, additional rehab the whole bit. Obviously, had it not been for my being a student and on the job market and because of my Why At 07:04 PM 11/11/2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi all, I wanted to ask you all about something >that arose in the training centers not the real >world thread. I thought I’d ask this >separately as it’s a big issue I pondered. How >do you deal with gaps in your resume? What if >you went to training? Have you listed this in a >resume? I went to our state center, and may go >again out of state because as I mentioned, I did >not get everything I needed in state. But having >been to training leaves gaps. How can we use >these gaps to our advantage? We cannot put >training on a resume as we do not want to reveal >blindness. So what do you do if you had a gap in >the resume? What if you were in training? If you >had a gap because you simply could not find a >job and were not in school, what to say is a >quandry. Volunteering may be an option if you >did something ongoing. I’ll ask about these >quotes below. It caught my attention! Cindy >said, “I have often told my employers about >blindness training and how it made me an >effective problem solver. Use it to your >advantage.” Cindy, can you give examples? >Where are you employed? How did you say it was >an advantage? Someone else said they used the >training center as an advantage, although I am >not sure who it is. For now, I have a gap in my >resume when I was in training. I don’t think >its long enough to hinder me particularly in >today’s economy when everyone has gaps. But I >did get to wondering how we can better tie >training to employment once we speak to the >employer. Ashley >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 19:48:27 2014 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 14:48:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] training and gaps in a resume In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140127093548.012a10e0@comcast.net> References: <4BA7256D54E64FB8A7F6A0E1D8FEA15F@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20140127093548.012a10e0@comcast.net> Message-ID: <2B6260F8-A811-4A47-AB27-92F191A6A895@gmail.com> Good afternoon Ashley and all, I tried to use gaps in my resume to my advantage. If it's relevant to the job I used my training experience or other gaps that I may have in my resume. It's best to try to explain them and focus on the skills you have gained during the gaps. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > > Good morning, Ashley, > > Did I see your unwillinness to what is it? "disclose?" > Will it ultimately make any difference whether you disclose to your employer or, perpetuate some typa well-justified technicality which is, effectively deceatful? > Get over yourself! Stop playing games. It takes us all and, if they said there ought not be blind peple, you would be outraged. Be blind, and proud! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > > I was brain damaged at one point a 3-month coma, additional rehab the whole bit. Obviously, had it not been for my being a student and on the job market and because of my Why At 07:04 PM 11/11/2013, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >> Hi all, I wanted to ask you all about something that arose in the training centers not the real world thread. I thought I’d ask this separately as it’s a big issue I pondered. How do you deal with gaps in your resume? What if you went to training? Have you listed this in a resume? I went to our state center, and may go again out of state because as I mentioned, I did not get everything I needed in state. But having been to training leaves gaps. How can we use these gaps to our advantage? We cannot put training on a resume as we do not want to reveal blindness. So what do you do if you had a gap in the resume? What if you were in training? If you had a gap because you simply could not find a job and were not in school, what to say is a quandry. Volunteering may be an option if you did something ongoing. I’ll ask about these quotes below. It caught my attention! Cindy said, “I have often told my employers about blindness training and how it made me an effective problem solver. Use it to your advantage.” Cindy, can you give examples? Where are you employed? How did you say it was an advantage? Someone else said they used the training center as an advantage, although I am not sure who it is. For now, I have a gap in my resume when I was in training. I don’t think its long enough to hinder me particularly in today’s economy when everyone has gaps. But I did get to wondering how we can better tie training to employment once we speak to the employer. Ashley _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From lissa1531 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 20:28:13 2014 From: lissa1531 at gmail.com (melissa Green) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 13:28:13 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] training and gaps in a resume References: <4BA7256D54E64FB8A7F6A0E1D8FEA15F@OwnerPC><7.0.1.0.2.20140127093548.012a10e0@comcast.net> <2B6260F8-A811-4A47-AB27-92F191A6A895@gmail.com> Message-ID: that is exactly what I do as well. in fact I used it during an interview last week. best wishes, Sincerely, Melissa R Green "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Anjelina" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:48 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] training and gaps in a resume Good afternoon Ashley and all, I tried to use gaps in my resume to my advantage. If it's relevant to the job I used my training experience or other gaps that I may have in my resume. It's best to try to explain them and focus on the skills you have gained during the gaps. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Carly Mihalakis > wrote: > > Good morning, Ashley, > > Did I see your unwillinness to what is it? "disclose?" > Will it ultimately make any difference whether you disclose to your > employer or, perpetuate some typa well-justified technicality which is, > effectively deceatful? > Get over yourself! Stop playing games. It takes us all and, if they said > there ought not be blind peple, you would be outraged. Be blind, and > proud! > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > > I was brain damaged at one point a 3-month coma, additional rehab the > whole bit. Obviously, had it not been for my being a student and on the > job market and because of my Why At 07:04 PM 11/11/2013, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: >> Hi all, I wanted to ask you all about something that arose in the >> training centers not the real world thread. I thought I’d ask this >> separately as it’s a big issue I pondered. How do you deal with gaps in >> your resume? What if you went to training? Have you listed this in a >> resume? I went to our state center, and may go again out of state because >> as I mentioned, I did not get everything I needed in state. But having >> been to training leaves gaps. How can we use these gaps to our advantage? >> We cannot put training on a resume as we do not want to reveal blindness. >> So what do you do if you had a gap in the resume? What if you were in >> training? If you had a gap because you simply could not find a job and >> were not in school, what to say is a quandry. Volunteering may be an >> option if you did something ongoing. I’ll ask about these quotes below. >> It caught my attention! Cindy said, “I have often told my employers about >> blindness training and how it made me an effective problem solver. Use it >> to your advantage.” Cindy, can you give examples? Where are you employed? >> How did you say it was an advantage? Someone else said they used the >> training center as an advantage, although I am not sure who it is. For >> now, I have a gap in my resume when I was in training. I don’t think its >> long enough to hinder me particularly in today’s economy when everyone >> has gaps. But I did get to wondering how we can better tie training to >> employment once we speak to the employer. Ashley >> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 23:02:37 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 17:02:37 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? Message-ID: <52e6e5a2.cd833c0a.772d.2462@mx.google.com> You could try looking for an eBook version on Amazon. Their kindle app is very accessible and easy to use. It saved my life a couple of times when I had school books I couldn't find anywhere else. Also, I'm wondering if your phone has a lot of stuff on it. Maybe it doesn't have enough storage for iBooks to load? If you think this could be the case, maybe try deleting some stuff. HTH, Sophie ----- Original Message ----- From: Elif Emir : This is a longshot, but maybe try googling some text of the book and you may find a PDF of it. Also if you haven't try learning Ally. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 26, 2014, at 10:37 PM, "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: but I did not think adobe digital editions was accessible. has that changed? -----Original Message----- From: Elif Emir Sent: Sunday, January 26, 2014 9:26 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? If you can find it as e-book to buy, you can open with Adobe Digital Editions. epub format is accessible and some pdf books are also accessible. 2014-01-26, Kaiti Shelton : Hi all, One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same results. Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book there? -- Kaiti _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 0earthlink.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepenning ton%40fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gm ail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade r%40gmail.com From anjelinac26 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 23:17:36 2014 From: anjelinac26 at gmail.com (Anjelina) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 18:17:36 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D143797-1FCE-4CA5-B68A-8544F0D507CD@gmail.com> Hi Katie, Is it available through Learning Ally? Hope you are able to find the book soon. -Anjelina Sent from my iPad > On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An > Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music > class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that > athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before > they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few > things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have > had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and > requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I > then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't > varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I > do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media > Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it > available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have > IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 > percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same > results. > > Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or > how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book > there? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com From carlymih at comcast.net Mon Jan 27 23:18:28 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:18:28 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class In-Reply-To: References: <2F7D7D0875E64254A71FABF5ECC70B12@OwnerPC> <66B9FA448E244317B9E86BEBF18FAAA3@EmilyDesktopPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140127150800.020cf610@comcast.net> Hi, Ashley, Okay. Can't you see this refusal to accommodate you is a blessing in disguise? Beyond an unwillingness on teach's part to actually accommodate, this so-called instructor just sounds more close-minded than a drum, and you might not even offer a healthy push because as they say, Some people you just can't reach! Take it with someone else, I think, then will you find the experience for which you are looking. Yaa know everybody, if people have yet to noticethemselves, generally, it tells you all you need to know about someone whether or not they're interested in working with us, adapting existing infrastructure to make it workable non-visually, you know? Again, let the guy or this chick go. Perhaps, that's the message she's trying to send you all along. Maybe, she is seeking to dissuade. for today, Car 408-209-3239 04:03 PM 1/10/2014, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Hi Emily, Thanks. So where are you at school? >what is your major? What are some of the major >things you learned? There is one more professor >I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be >understanding. As I said, I just want to take it >for the business and consumer knowledge. I'm a >bit sad and frustrated because I tried last >semester to take it only to learn two professors >required a marketing computer simulation; I >would not be able to see this, so opted not to >take it. I may have gotten an alternate >assignment, but I did not want to pay for a >class knowing I could not do a major part of the >course because its inherriently inaccessible. I >don't think the professor will work with me. I >wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her >this. I understand the videos are a critical >component to class. Will you provide the >material another way such as describing it to me >or giving me copies to watch outside class? End >question. I'm glad to hear the blackboard >discussion is working; last time it was not but >that was a few years back. The professor wrote >back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not >call students, will not give out her number to >discuss anything, and feels her spontaneous >teaching style is not good for me; I would not >see her white board notes either. I would not >see the powerpoints, but I could get copies I >know. I don't think I should work with someone >like this. I'm glad you had a good experience >but your professor seemed more open. Here is >just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep >in mind I only wrote three times which btw is >not much if you are having a discussion. also, I >waited for her responses! I did not! email and >email same stuff and bother her. Some students >do that; I know because professors complain >about that; students do that and fail to wait >for a response. Here is the excerpt. Thank you >for your phone number. However, I do not call >students, nor do I provide my phone number. I've >also written that, as an adjunct, I am not on >campus except when I have classes. That said and >based on the frequency of your recent emails, I >may not be as accessible as you might require. I >am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes >may not be appropriate for the best learning >experience for you. I often decide at the last >minute if and what video I will use. The sources >are not predictable. It's wherever I find the >most appropriate video. I do not have prepared >notes for the White Board, as they are often >based on the classroom discussions, as I've >mentioned before. I have indicated there is much >Team work, including the Final Project. There >are Powerpoints and presentations involved in >all the Team work. I have concern for you and >your Teammates in preparing this work, since >there is often not a great deal of lead time. >end note. Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do >schools hire such closed minded people. Okay, >she is not required to call me, and not required >to give out her number. but she should be >willing to dialogue with students even if it >means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus >to be accessible. Okay done ranting. Ashley >-----Original Message----- From: Emily >Pennington Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 >PM To: National Association of Blind Students >mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing >class Hi, Ashley. Last spring, I took a >Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad >at all in terms of accessibility. Like your >professor, mine lectured with PowerPoints and >showed several videos in class. While the >dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on >the commercial or advertisement), there were >some visual things I often missed. However, my >professor would briefly discuss the video >afterword, asking the class what they observed >and reiterating what they had seen. It helped me >fill in most of the missing pieces. If your >professor shows the videos in class, you could >ask her to reiterate and discuss what went on -- >namely, what she wanted the class to see in >particular. My Marketing class didn't have a >Blackboard discussion component, although I've >been in several other classes in which it has >played a major role. The discussion forums on >Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and >never had any difficulty once I familiarized >myself with the page. It's easy to upload file >assignments, too; there is usually a submit >assignments link, and you either upload the file >by browsing your computer or cut and paste the >text of your assignment, depending on what your >teacher prefers. Feel free to write me off-list >if you have any more questions. I hope this >helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great >business class to take. Take care, Emily ----- >Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" > To: "National >Association of Blind Students mailing list" > Sent: Friday, January 10, >2014 3:07 PM Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class > >Hi all, > > I am debating whether to take intro >to marketing or another business > class. I’m >taking a class more for the knowledge, as a >resume builder, and > something to do as I look >for work. My goals are to learn something for > >the work world; I may want to go into marketing >or communications; I have > a liberal studies >degree. > I also want to learn about the office >environment and how it functions. > > I’m >hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible >the class will be. In > the past, group work >using case studies, videos, and blackboard > >discussions has posed a big problem. > > The >professor says she lectures from powerpoint. >This is typical as many > teachers do it; she >also uses class discussion, group activities, >case > studies, and videos. > I could benefit >from lectures and discussion as everyone else >does. > > But she indicates we use ocasional >group blackboard discussion and videos > are >critical. > > So my questions. Have you taken >marketing? If so, what was your > experience? >Did you run into these challenges and how did >you deal with > them? > > Is the blackboard >submission link accessible? How about >discussions? > I may have issues with group >projects, but that would be the same with the > >business organization development class too. > > >How did you get access to video content? I would >ask the professor > questions, but she is >adjunct and does not have an office on campus. >she > already told me in her email that she is >only on campus to teach, and > furthermore, the >best communication channel is email. This >eliminates the > idea of discussing stuff either >on phone, skype, or in person in her > office. >Often, face to face is best, because emails you >can go round and > round and not be helped. Now, >with a discussion, you can have more of an > >understanding, in my opinion. > > So, I’m just >thinking aloud. My last professor for religion >showed videos > extensively, but we worked it >out. she spoke to me after class to answer > my >questions or if there was some action she felt I >needed, she told me > after class. > >Additionally, any concerns we discussed in >office hours; she was full > time, and had >office on campus. > > I’ll check online and >see if there are any ratings for the marketing > >professor. > > Look forward to ideas. > Ashley > >_______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or >get your account info for > nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/emilypennington%40fuse.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get >your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > From clb5590 at gmail.com Mon Jan 27 23:34:32 2014 From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 15:34:32 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Launch of Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship Fund In-Reply-To: <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066EACDFE7F6C@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> References: <26EFBB372351114EB24999F5FE55F2B70FBE5F52@WAXMXOLYMB026.WAX.wa.lcl> <000c01cf1a0b$732041d0$5960c570$@earthlink.net> <04F1893C93758F4AA7CB436BB2675066EACDFE7F6C@EDUPTCEXMB02.ed.gov> Message-ID: Hi all, Read below for an exciting scholarship opportunity for high school seniors from Microsoft. It is a $5,000 one-time scholarship from Microsoft for graduating seniors entering a 2 or 4-year institute intending to study a variety of majors from computer science, computer information systems, engineering, to some business and prelaw majors. Unfortunately, only graduating seniors are eligible, not students already in college or applying to grad school. :( Students must have a documented disability. The scholarship is due March 15. This is the first year of the program, so definitely worth checking out! Like I said below, all of the details, a website, and a contact person are below. Cindy From: Jenny Lay-Flurrie [mailto:jennylf at microsoft.com] Sent: Friday, January 24, 2014 4:05 PM To: Subject: Launch of Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship Fund Dear All, Excited to share details of the new Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship Fund targeting students with disabilities entering college in the fall. This is a new initiative from Microsoft and the DisAbility Employee Resource Group (ERG), built in partnership with Seattle Foundation. The scholarship website is open to applications until March 15th. Please, use your sharing/posting super powers to distribute details to your communities and anyone you feel may benefit. All the details are enclosed, and below. Any questions, do let me know. Let's change the number :) Have a great weekend! Jenny Chair DisAbility ERG, Senior Director Accessibility Customer Experience, Privacy and Online Safety Support. Microsoft Announces Scholarship for Students with Disabilities Redmond, WA -- Microsoft is pleased to announce the launch of the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship intended to empower and enable high school students with disabilities to (a) go to college, (b) realize the impact technology has on the world, and (c) target a career in the technology industry. The scholarship launched Friday, January 17, 2014 and includes a goal to increase enrollment of persons living with a disability in higher education and, in the long term, decrease the unemployment bias for disabled persons. This new program was started by, and is supported by, Microsoft employees who will select promising high school seniors who require financial assistance in order to enter and successfully complete a vocational or academic college program. This non-renewable $5000 scholarship will be paid to the recipient's Financial Aid Office by the Seattle Foundation on behalf of the DisAbility Employee Resource Group (ERG) at Microsoft. Eligibility All candidates must be high school students living with a disability who plan to attend a 2 to 4 year University or College program, maintain a cumulative 3.0 CPA or equivalent and have declared a major from the approved list (see scholarship guidelines on application). Requirements To apply for the Microsoft DisAbility Scholarship, the student must meet the following guidelines: 1. Be a current high school senior with living with a disability (as defined by WHO), whether that be visual, hearing, mobility, cognitive or speech. 2. Plan to attend an undergraduate program in a 2 or 4-year University/College or Technical College in the fall of the academic year following high-school graduation. Schools must be in the USA or have a USA-Affiliate for financial transactions (contact Seattle Foundation to verify non-USA school's eligibility). 3. Declare a major in engineering, computer science, computer information systems, legal or in business that are approved (i.e. paralegal, pre-law, finance, business administration, or marketing). 4. Demonstrate a passion for technology. 5. Demonstrate leadership at school and/or in the community. 6. Have a high school cumulative GPA of 3.0 or higher. 7. Require financial assistance to attend college. 8. Enrollment status must be full-time or half time. ### Contact: DisAbility Employee Resource Group Microsoft Corporation http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/diversity/programs/microsoftdisabilityscholarship.aspx Email: Disability Scholarship Fund Seattle Foundation Travis Petersen Philanthropic Services Associate Scholarship Manager _______________________________ The Seattle Foundation scholarships at seattlefoundation.com 1200 Fifth Avenue, Suite 1300 Seattle WA 98101-3151 (206) 515-2139 direct (206) 622-7673 fax ### -- Cindy Bennett Secretary: National Association of Blind Students B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington clb5590 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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You then detail your chronological work history at the very end of the resume. Apparently this is a recommended way for young people, or those changing careers, to construct a resume. I've attached an example that my husband got from our campus career center. Good luck! Arielle On 1/27/14, melissa Green wrote: > that is exactly what I do as well. > in fact I used it during an interview last week. > > best wishes, > Sincerely, > Melissa R Green > "Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole > staircase." -- Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Anjelina" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:48 PM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] training and gaps in a resume > > > Good afternoon Ashley and all, I tried to use gaps in my resume to my > advantage. If it's relevant to the job I used my training experience or > other gaps that I may have in my resume. It's best to try to explain them > and focus on the skills you have gained during the gaps. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:43 PM, Carly Mihalakis >> wrote: >> >> Good morning, Ashley, >> >> Did I see your unwillinness to what is it? "disclose?" >> Will it ultimately make any difference whether you disclose to your >> employer or, perpetuate some typa well-justified technicality which is, >> effectively deceatful? >> Get over yourself! Stop playing games. It takes us all and, if they said >> there ought not be blind peple, you would be outraged. Be blind, and >> proud! >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> >> I was brain damaged at one point a 3-month coma, additional rehab the >> whole bit. Obviously, had it not been for my being a student and on the >> job market and because of my Why At 07:04 PM 11/11/2013, Ashley Bramlett >> >> wrote: >>> Hi all, I wanted to ask you all about something that arose in the >>> training centers not the real world thread. I thought I’d ask this >>> separately as it’s a big issue I pondered. How do you deal with gaps in >>> your resume? What if you went to training? Have you listed this in a >>> resume? I went to our state center, and may go again out of state because >>> >>> as I mentioned, I did not get everything I needed in state. But having >>> been to training leaves gaps. How can we use these gaps to our advantage? >>> >>> We cannot put training on a resume as we do not want to reveal blindness. >>> >>> So what do you do if you had a gap in the resume? What if you were in >>> training? If you had a gap because you simply could not find a job and >>> were not in school, what to say is a quandry. Volunteering may be an >>> option if you did something ongoing. I’ll ask about these quotes below. >>> It caught my attention! Cindy said, “I have often told my employers about >>> >>> blindness training and how it made me an effective problem solver. Use it >>> >>> to your advantage.” Cindy, can you give examples? Where are you employed? >>> >>> How did you say it was an advantage? Someone else said they used the >>> training center as an advantage, although I am not sure who it is. For >>> now, I have a gap in my resume when I was in training. I don’t think its >>> long enough to hinder me particularly in today’s economy when everyone >>> has gaps. But I did get to wondering how we can better tie training to >>> employment once we speak to the employer. Ashley >>> _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To >>> >>> unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lissa1531%40gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Though this is for a music >> class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep that >> athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do before >> they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take a few >> things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we have >> had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked bookshare, and >> requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. I >> then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they couldn't >> varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though I >> do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive Media >> Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it >> available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already have >> IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load past 40 >> percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the same >> results. >> >> Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this book, or >> how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the book >> there? >> >> -- >> Kaiti >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From sweetpeareader at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 03:29:20 2014 From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 21:29:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? Message-ID: <52e72426.886fb60a.6a47.4d1d@mx.google.com> Sadly, the Kindle itself is currently pretty inaccessible. I use the app on the iPhone. You can't download the books directly from the app, but you can download them from Safari on your phone, and they will quickly appear in the app. It's fairly simple--there's the book, and there's the menu, which lists various options for changing font and navigating. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elif Emir : Hi Katie, Is it available through Learning Ally? Hope you are able to find the book soon. -Anjelina Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Kaiti Shelton References: <52e72426.886fb60a.6a47.4d1d@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5B7E32D43D9542D8BFA1A13F57A9B5C7@OwnerPC> hi, actually the kindle hd is now accessible. I heard it uses the gestures and voices of android phones. -----Original Message----- From: Sophie Trist Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:29 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? Sadly, the Kindle itself is currently pretty inaccessible. I use the app on the iPhone. You can't download the books directly from the app, but you can download them from Safari on your phone, and they will quickly appear in the app. It's fairly simple--there's the book, and there's the menu, which lists various options for changing font and navigating. ----- Original Message ----- From: Elif Emir : Hi Katie, Is it available through Learning Ally? Hope you are able to find the book soon. -Anjelina Sent from my iPad On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Kaiti Shelton Hello All, I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information on google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered at some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly pursuing this idea further after some thought. I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I need to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding society and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly interested in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I am thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both of these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on the national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out more information in the meantime. Thanks Lillie From filerime at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 03:56:28 2014 From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir) Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 22:56:28 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? In-Reply-To: <5B7E32D43D9542D8BFA1A13F57A9B5C7@OwnerPC> References: <52e72426.886fb60a.6a47.4d1d@mx.google.com> <5B7E32D43D9542D8BFA1A13F57A9B5C7@OwnerPC> Message-ID: thanks 2014-01-27, Ashley Bramlett : > hi, > actually the kindle hd is now accessible. I heard it uses the gestures and > voices of android phones. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Sophie Trist > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:29 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find it? > > Sadly, the Kindle itself is currently pretty inaccessible. I use > the app on the iPhone. You can't download the books directly from > the app, but you can download them from Safari on your phone, and > they will quickly appear in the app. It's fairly simple--there's > the book, and there's the menu, which lists various options for > changing font and navigating. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Elif Emir To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Date sent: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 20:42:25 -0500 > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Anyone read this book/know where I can find > it? > > Sophie can you give me some more info about the Kindle please? > do you use an app on the I phone or Pc or the kindle device? > > > 2014-01-27, Anjelina : > Hi Katie, > Is it available through Learning Ally? > Hope you are able to find the book soon. > > > -Anjelina > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:31 PM, Kaiti Shelton > wrote: > > Hi all, > > One of my instructors in college wants me to read Mind Gym: An > Athlete's Guide to Inner Excellence. Though this is for a music > class, the idea behind it is that a lot of the same mental prep > that > athletes do before they compete is what musicians have to do > before > they perform. My instructor wants me to read the book and take > a few > things away from it which I can use in performing. Anyway, we > have > had significant trouble in finding the book. I checked > bookshare, and > requested the book once I saw that it wasn't in the collection. > I > then ran into issues because it wasn't a textbook, and they > couldn't > varify whether or not I really needed it for school (even though > I > do). I cannot find it through NLS. I downloaded Overdrive > Media > Console onto my IPhone and don't see it there. I did find it > available in the ITunes store, but of course I did not already > have > IBooks, and when I tried to download the app it would not load > past 40 > percent. I've tried to get it to install repeatedly with the > same > results. > > Would anyone know of other sources I could use to locate this > book, or > how I can get IBooks to download all the way so I can buy the > book > there? > > -- > Kaiti > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/anjelinac26%4 > 0gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account > info for > nabs-l: > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gm > ail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade > r%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/filerime%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 05:47:12 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 00:47:12 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do anyone here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I’m just wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to my Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wlEmoticon-smile[1].png Type: image/png Size: 1046 bytes Desc: not available URL: From i.c.bray at win.net Tue Jan 28 09:02:54 2014 From: i.c.bray at win.net (I. C. Bray) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 04:02:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> Message-ID: <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... doodle? That is a mix of a poodle & what else? Ian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed doodles. : : Chris Nusbaum : : Sent from my iPhone : : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: : > : > : > : > Hi everyone, : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda : > : > _______________________________________________ : > nabs-l mailing list : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com : : _______________________________________________ : nabs-l mailing list : nabs-l at nfbnet.org : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 12:53:19 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 06:53:19 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Helga, Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. Ryan On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do anyone > here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just > wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video > lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows > Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to my > Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -- Ryan L. Silveira From MRiccobono at nfb.org Tue Jan 28 13:18:47 2014 From: MRiccobono at nfb.org (Riccobono, Mark) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 13:18:47 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Summer Internship Opportunities Message-ID: This information is also available in the blog post: National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Opportunities [NFBJI_K]National Federation of the Blind Summer Internship Opportunities The National Federation of the Blind (NFB) is the oldest and largest nationwide organization of blind people in the United States. With an affiliate in every state, the District of Columbia, and Puerto Rico, the Federation is the voice of the nation's blind. In 2004, the NFB established the Jernigan Institute as the first research and training facility developed and directed by blind people. Through its members at the local level and programs and services offered through the NFB Jernigan Institute in Baltimore, Maryland, the Federation has established itself as a leader in creating innovative education programs, technologies, research, and partnerships that will forever change opportunities for the blind. As we imagine and build a future full of opportunities, we are interested in fostering leadership and innovation through NFB internships. NFB internships provide an opportunity for individuals to contribute to the programs of the Federation while gaining valuable experience at the center of innovation in the blindness field. NFB internships will be hosted at the NFB headquarters in Baltimore, Maryland. Internship placements are currently available for the summer of 2014. NFB internships will begin on June 2 and end on August 8, 2014 (ten weeks). The internship experience includes a stipend and can include sleeping accommodations at the NFB Jernigan Institute, if necessary. One of the requirements of the internship is participation in program activities at the NFB National Convention to be held in Orlando, Florida, from July 1-6. Program areas where interns might be placed during the summer of 2013 include: * Access technology * Civil rights-especially advocacy around voting rights and educational accessibility * Data management * Education programs * Governmental affairs * Information technology * Jacobus tenBroek Library * Membership building * NFB NEWSLINE(r) for the Blind * Outreach and fundraising * Public relations & social media Individuals interested in applying for an internship with the National Federation of the Blind should prepare the following materials and submit them in an accessible electronic format no later than March 14, 2014: 1. A cover letter expressing why you are uniquely qualified for an NFB internship, the program area(s) which you would be most interested in gaining experience, and the projects that drive your passion in those programs. Please feel free to include any innovative new projects that you might want to help initiate during your internship. Please note any scheduling problems that would prevent you from being available from June 2 through August 8. 2. A resume including current contact information. 3. Two or three references with complete contact information. Send all of your materials, preferably via email, to: National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Attn: Beth Braun 200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place Baltimore, Maryland 21230 E-mail: bbraun at nfb.org Questions regarding NFB internships can be directed to Beth Braun at 410-659-9314, extension 2369, or bbraun at nfb.org. 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Name: image003.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3313 bytes Desc: image003.jpg URL: From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Jan 28 13:34:22 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 05:34:22 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) In-Reply-To: <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> References: <52c79299.c3b4440a.12b1.ffff93b3@mx.google.com> <009601cf0909$25c72ec0$71558c40$@gmail.com> <8D6E669C749A429CBA958F156CBE1357@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140128053214.01bfea70@comcast.net> Good moorning, everyone, No, this ought to b student's space to air grievances, as well as what might be working withinn the condition of blind students. 4/2014, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >Well chris, the TVIs shouldn't participate but I >think they should be aware to tell their students. >It¡¯s a way to get the word out. > >-----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:55 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > >Good idea--this could serve as a good source of information for them as >well. However, I'm not sure if we would want them to participate actively >in the call itself or whether we would want to have a recording and/or >notes available online for them to reference later. While there will >doubtless be information provided on such a call which would be useful to >those professionals, I think it would be nice to have a call in which blind >high school students could talk amongst ourselves without TVI's being >involved. Thoughts? > >Chris > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa >Sent: Friday, January 03, 2014 11:48 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > > >Sounds good to me. If this were to happen, if it was possable, you should >alert the VI aids and helpers who work with us high school students, that >way they are aware too. > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Darian Smith To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 20:03:45 -0800 >Subject: [nabs-l] adjusting to high school (was: Re: [] new year) > >High school is definitely one of the most challenging parts of my life in >more than one sense learning that I was not alone in dealing with >accommodations and trying to figure out realistic expectations for myself >was certainly something I wish I had better feel for. > >I am wondering if NABS was to organize a call where high school students >could get some of their questions answered by fellow high school students >in a safe environment would any of you be interested i this? >we would want to maintain this as a place where high school students would >feel comfortable asking questions and knowing they would get sound advice >from each other. we would have a more experienced member of NABS there as >a support, but mainly >this would be the high school student’s time. > thoughts? > Darian > >On Jan 3, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Joseph C. Lininger >wrote: > >I happen to be a science guy. I ended up doing computer science as a >profession, but I enjoy physics and the other sciences too. >If there's anything I can do to assist anyone on this list with >math/science sorts of things: provide pointers on a question, provide a >nonvisual description, anything like that feel free to contact me. I'm >also willing to give pointers to parents so they can more easily explain >things if that would be helpful as well. > >Joe > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >info for nabs-l: > >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40g >mail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >ife7%40gmail.com > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 13:37:57 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 08:37:57 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> Message-ID: Ian, Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. Amanda On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: > Ok... embarrased for asking, but... > > doodle? > > That is a mix of a poodle & what else? > > Ian > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Nusbaum" > To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" > > Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs > > > :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed doodles. > : > : Chris Nusbaum > : > : Sent from my iPhone > : > : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: > : > > : > > : > > : > Hi everyone, > : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda > : > > : > _______________________________________________ > : > nabs-l mailing list > : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > : > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > : > : _______________________________________________ > : nabs-l mailing list > : nabs-l at nfbnet.org > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From minh.ha927 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 14:02:05 2014 From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:02:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> Message-ID: Amanda, I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different schools who can better answer your questions. Minh Sent from my iPhone On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: > Ian, > Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden > retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. > Amanda > > On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >> >> doodle? >> >> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >> >> Ian >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >> >> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >> >> >> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed doodles. >> : >> : Chris Nusbaum >> : >> : Sent from my iPhone >> : >> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >> : > >> : > >> : > >> : > Hi everyone, >> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >> : > >> : > _______________________________________________ >> : > nabs-l mailing list >> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> : > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> : >> : _______________________________________________ >> : nabs-l mailing list >> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com > -- "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 14:23:08 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:23:08 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> Message-ID: Can I join it even if I don't have a dog? Amanda On 1/28/14, minh ha wrote: > Amanda, > > I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand > shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs > also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I > recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different > schools who can better answer your questions. > > Minh > Sent from my iPhone > > On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >> Ian, >> Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden >> retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. >> Amanda >> >> On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >>> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >>> >>> doodle? >>> >>> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >>> >>> Ian >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>> >>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >>> >>> >>> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed >>> doodles. >>> : >>> : Chris Nusbaum >>> : >>> : Sent from my iPhone >>> : >>> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>> : > >>> : > >>> : > >>> : > Hi everyone, >>> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >>> : > >>> : > _______________________________________________ >>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> : > >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> : >>> : _______________________________________________ >>> : nabs-l mailing list >>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty > recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: > but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on > their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 14:55:05 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:55:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> Message-ID: <667A48B7-ED08-4274-9EE7-85F588B83236@gmail.com> Yes you can. Anyone who is interested can join. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: > > Can I join it even if I don't have a dog? > Amanda > >> On 1/28/14, minh ha wrote: >> Amanda, >> >> I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand >> shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs >> also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I >> recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different >> schools who can better answer your questions. >> >> Minh >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> Ian, >>> Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden >>> retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >>>> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >>>> >>>> doodle? >>>> >>>> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >>>> >>>> Ian >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>> >>>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >>>> >>>> >>>> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed >>>> doodles. >>>> : >>>> : Chris Nusbaum >>>> : >>>> : Sent from my iPhone >>>> : >>>> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : > >>>> : > Hi everyone, >>>> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >>>> : > >>>> : > _______________________________________________ >>>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> : > >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> : >>>> : _______________________________________________ >>>> : nabs-l mailing list >>>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 14:58:11 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:58:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will this work? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > Hi Helga, > > Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The > iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you > know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, > listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format > instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in > dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own > little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in > mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to > iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them > in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. > > Ryan > >> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: >> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do anyone >> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video >> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows >> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to my >> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions >> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:01:27 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:01:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: <667A48B7-ED08-4274-9EE7-85F588B83236@gmail.com> References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> <667A48B7-ED08-4274-9EE7-85F588B83236@gmail.com> Message-ID: How do I join? Amanda On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Yes you can. Anyone who is interested can join. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >> >> Can I join it even if I don't have a dog? >> Amanda >> >>> On 1/28/14, minh ha wrote: >>> Amanda, >>> >>> I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand >>> shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs >>> also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I >>> recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different >>> schools who can better answer your questions. >>> >>> Minh >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> Ian, >>>> Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden >>>> retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >>>>> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >>>>> >>>>> doodle? >>>>> >>>>> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >>>>> >>>>> Ian >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>> >>>>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed >>>>> doodles. >>>>> : >>>>> : Chris Nusbaum >>>>> : >>>>> : Sent from my iPhone >>>>> : >>>>> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : > >>>>> : > Hi everyone, >>>>> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >>>>> : > >>>>> : > _______________________________________________ >>>>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>>>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> : > >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>> : >>>>> : _______________________________________________ >>>>> : nabs-l mailing list >>>>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>> for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> : >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:05:44 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:05:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Ryan, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, how do I convert my WMA files into MP3 format? Just wondering, since I would like to listen to my lectures in my iPhone? I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 7:53 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone Hi Helga, Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. Ryan On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com wrote: > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do > anyone > here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just > wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video > lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows > Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to my > Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really > appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions > regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:07:59 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:07:59 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will this > work? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >> wrote: >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>> anyone >>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video >>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows >>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to >>> my >>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions >>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>> bless!! >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:10:04 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 09:10:04 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Helga, That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone else know a good converter? Ryan On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are > specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player > would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. > > On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >> this >> work? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi Helga, >>> >>> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >>> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >>> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >>> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >>> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >>> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >>> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >>> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >>> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >>> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>> wrote: >>>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>>> anyone >>>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor >>>> Video >>>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in >>>> Windows >>>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to >>>> my >>>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >>>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some >>>> suggestions >>>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>>> bless!! >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > -- Ryan L. Silveira From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:14:00 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:14:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga. I actually tried to play my lectures on Safari with Windows Media Audio, but it didn't work at all! In order to do so, I actually log in to my Blackboard site. Thanks and God bless!! -----Original Message----- From: Ryan Silveira Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:07 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will > this > work? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >> wrote: >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>> wrote: >>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>> anyone >>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor Video >>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in Windows >>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to >>> my >>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some suggestions >>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>> bless!! >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Jan 28 15:19:41 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:19:41 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> Audacity should work. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > Hi Helga, > > That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your > computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the > converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone > else know a good converter? > > Ryan > >> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >> >>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >>> this >>> work? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Helga, >>>> >>>> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >>>> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >>>> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >>>> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >>>> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >>>> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >>>> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >>>> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >>>> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >>>> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>>>> anyone >>>>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>>>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor >>>>> Video >>>>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in >>>>> Windows >>>>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to >>>>> my >>>>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >>>>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some >>>>> suggestions >>>>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>>>> bless!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:28:23 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:28:23 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> Message-ID: <5A7FDE7606A849DD89E97BF5B4EEC33F@Helga> Hi lillie, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, where do I find this converter? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) -----Original Message----- From: Lillie Pennington Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:19 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone Audacity should work. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira > wrote: > > Hi Helga, > > That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your > computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the > converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone > else know a good converter? > > Ryan > >> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >> >>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >>> this >>> work? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Helga, >>>> >>>> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >>>> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >>>> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >>>> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >>>> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >>>> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >>>> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >>>> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >>>> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >>>> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>>> wrote: >>>>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>>>> anyone >>>>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>>>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor >>>>> Video >>>>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in >>>>> Windows >>>>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them >>>>> to >>>>> my >>>>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will >>>>> really >>>>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some >>>>> suggestions >>>>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>>>> bless!! >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:28:38 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:28:38 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> <667A48B7-ED08-4274-9EE7-85F588B83236@gmail.com> Message-ID: Send an email with the subject Subscribe to nagdu-request at nfbnet.org. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: > > How do I join? > Amanda > >> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> Yes you can. Anyone who is interested can join. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>> >>> Can I join it even if I don't have a dog? >>> Amanda >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, minh ha wrote: >>>> Amanda, >>>> >>>> I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand >>>> shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs >>>> also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I >>>> recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different >>>> schools who can better answer your questions. >>>> >>>> Minh >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>> Ian, >>>>> Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden >>>>> retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. >>>>> Amanda >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >>>>>> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >>>>>> >>>>>> doodle? >>>>>> >>>>>> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >>>>>> >>>>>> Ian >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed >>>>>> doodles. >>>>>> : >>>>>> : Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> : >>>>>> : Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> : >>>>>> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>> : > >>>>>> : > >>>>>> : > >>>>>> : > Hi everyone, >>>>>> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have doodles?Amanda >>>>>> : > >>>>>> : > _______________________________________________ >>>>>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> : > >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>>> : >>>>>> : _______________________________________________ >>>>>> : nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>> for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> : >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:29:56 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:29:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> Message-ID: But does Audacity have an iPhone app? Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > > Audacity should work. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your >> computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the >> converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone >> else know a good converter? >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >>> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >>> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >>>> this >>>> work? >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Helga, >>>>> >>>>> Well, you can't download Windows Media Player on your iPhone. The >>>>> iPhone being an Apple product and Windows Media Player being, you >>>>> know, a Windows product, that just wouldn't work. You can, however, >>>>> listen to your lectures. You just need them to be in mp3 format >>>>> instead of WMA (windows media audio) format. Then you can put them in >>>>> dropbox and open them on your phone. The dropbox app has it's own >>>>> little player thing which will stream your audio, but it has to be in >>>>> mp3 format. Of course, you could always convert your WMA files to >>>>> iTunes files (I guess that would be M4A) in iTunes and just put them >>>>> in your library. That's also an option. Hope this helps. >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/27/14, helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do >>>>>> anyone >>>>>> here know how to download Windows Media Player on an iPhone? I'm just >>>>>> wondering, since I would like to listen to my Government Professor >>>>>> Video >>>>>> lectures, since I already have them downloaded on my computer in >>>>>> Windows >>>>>> Media Player, and since I have them there, I would like to copy them to >>>>>> my >>>>>> Dropbox folder. Do you think that will be possible to do? I will really >>>>>> appreciate it a lot, if you could help me , and give me some >>>>>> suggestions >>>>>> regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God >>>>>> bless!! >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Ryan L. Silveira >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> >> -- >> Ryan L. Silveira >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From cape.amanda at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 15:36:52 2014 From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:36:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs In-Reply-To: References: <886B675A-1CC4-42F2-A332-66FDDC054759@gmail.com> <201C19BD-D7A9-4AD8-BF2F-054CFD3D5FC6@gmail.com> <5B18015E8AA24FE98EF58EC99273C9B8@JAWS> <667A48B7-ED08-4274-9EE7-85F588B83236@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks. Amanda On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Send an email with the subject Subscribe to nagdu-request at nfbnet.org. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >> >> How do I join? >> Amanda >> >>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Yes you can. Anyone who is interested can join. >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:23 AM, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>> >>>> Can I join it even if I don't have a dog? >>>> Amanda >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/14, minh ha wrote: >>>>> Amanda, >>>>> >>>>> I'm not sure about Leader Dogs, but the Seeing Eye only breeds Germand >>>>> shepherds, labs, goldens and lab/golden crosses. I think Pilot Dogs >>>>> also have poodles/doodles. If you're interested in guide dogs, I >>>>> recommend joining the NAGDU list as there are graduates from different >>>>> schools who can better answer your questions. >>>>> >>>>> Minh >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/28/14, Amanda Cape wrote: >>>>>> Ian, >>>>>> Doodles are either golden doodles, hich are a mix between a golden >>>>>> retriever and a poodle and a labradoodle which is a lab and a poodle. >>>>>> Amanda >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/28/14, I. C. Bray wrote: >>>>>>> Ok... embarrased for asking, but... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> doodle? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> That is a mix of a poodle & what else? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ian >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 10:53 AM >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Doodle guide dogs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> :I believe the Seeing Eye and Leader Dogs are beginning to breed >>>>>>> doodles. >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> : Chris Nusbaum >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> : Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> : > On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:46 AM, cape.amanda at gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>> : > >>>>>>> : > >>>>>>> : > >>>>>>> : > Hi everyone, >>>>>>> : > Does anyone know if any guide dog schools that have >>>>>>> doodles?Amanda >>>>>>> : > >>>>>>> : > _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> : > nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> : > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> : > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> : > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account >>>>>>> info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> : > >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> : _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> : nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> : nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> : http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> : To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> : >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/i.c.bray%40win.net >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>> for >>>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>>> nabs-l: >>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty >>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity: >>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on >>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>>> nabs-l: >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/cape.amanda%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Jan 28 15:40:30 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:40:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: <5A7FDE7606A849DD89E97BF5B4EEC33F@Helga> References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> <5A7FDE7606A849DD89E97BF5B4EEC33F@Helga> Message-ID: Hi Helga. I do not know where you can get it spefically get it, but you should be able to get it from a google search. I can send a like when I am back at my computer. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:28 AM, wrote: > > Hi lillie, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, where do I find this converter? Just curious! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :) > > -----Original Message----- From: Lillie Pennington > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 10:19 AM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone > > Audacity should work. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >> >> Hi Helga, >> >> That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your >> computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the >> converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone >> else know a good converter? >> >> Ryan >> >>> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >>> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >>> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >>>> this >>>> work? >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> From lilliepennington at fuse.net Tue Jan 28 15:42:52 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:42:52 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> Message-ID: <5E5A6E18-FA7C-4B60-B117-535BF698B1EB@fuse.net> I doubt it. I thought she was converting on her computer and then putting them in drop box so she could axcess on her phone. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > But does Audacity have an iPhone app? > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> >> Audacity should work. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>> >>> Hi Helga, >>> >>> That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your >>> computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the >>> converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone >>> else know a good converter? >>> >>> Ryan >>> >>>> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >>>> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >>>> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. Will >>>>> this >>>>> work? >>>>> >>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>> >>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 16:11:16 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 10:11:16 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: <5E5A6E18-FA7C-4B60-B117-535BF698B1EB@fuse.net> References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> <5E5A6E18-FA7C-4B60-B117-535BF698B1EB@fuse.net> Message-ID: Good thinking, Lillie. Audacity is an audio editor, not a converter, but it has the capability to convert. It should do the trick. Helga, you would have to import the WMA file into Audacity and then export it back out as an MP3. Before doing so, however, you would have to download the plugin that would allow you to do that. On 1/28/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > I doubt it. I thought she was converting on her computer and then putting > them in drop box so she could axcess on her phone. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Chris Nusbaum >> wrote: >> >> But does Audacity have an iPhone app? >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Lillie Pennington >>> wrote: >>> >>> Audacity should work. >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi Helga, >>>> >>>> That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your >>>> computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the >>>> converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone >>>> else know a good converter? >>>> >>>> Ryan >>>> >>>>> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >>>>> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >>>>> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. >>>>>> Will >>>>>> this >>>>>> work? >>>>>> >>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 17:48:30 2014 From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 12:48:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How to Download Windows Media Player on an iPhone In-Reply-To: References: <78340AD5-96B7-4D00-BFA9-FF0397F80A15@fuse.net> <5E5A6E18-FA7C-4B60-B117-535BF698B1EB@fuse.net> Message-ID: Hi Helga, For your reference, the Audacity file can be found on source forge. You can google it and it should pop right up. The plug in for mp3 export is on there too, and is called lame. Just follow the set up instructions for installing Audacity and then the lame plug in, and you should be good to go using the export instructions Ryan has already provided. HTH On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: > Good thinking, Lillie. Audacity is an audio editor, not a converter, > but it has the capability to convert. It should do the trick. Helga, > you would have to import the WMA file into Audacity and then export it > back out as an MP3. Before doing so, however, you would have to > download the plugin that would allow you to do that. > > On 1/28/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> I doubt it. I thought she was converting on her computer and then putting >> them in drop box so she could axcess on her phone. >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:29 AM, Chris Nusbaum >>> wrote: >>> >>> But does Audacity have an iPhone app? >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:19 AM, Lillie Pennington >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Audacity should work. >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:10 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Hi Helga, >>>>> >>>>> That's a bit tricky. You would have to download a converter on your >>>>> computer and then convert the files. I can't recall the name of the >>>>> converter I used to use back when I used Windows all the time. Anyone >>>>> else know a good converter? >>>>> >>>>> Ryan >>>>> >>>>>> On 1/28/14, Ryan Silveira wrote: >>>>>> Really? That would surprise me, just because the WMA files are >>>>>> specific to Windows Media Player. I don't see why the Safari player >>>>>> would play them. I've never tried, but it very well might. >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 1/28/14, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>>>>> I believe the audio player in Safari will even play the WMA files. >>>>>>> Will >>>>>>> this >>>>>>> work? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Ryan Silveira >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com >> > > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/crazy4clarinet104%40gmail.com > -- Kaiti From carlymih at comcast.net Tue Jan 28 19:54:51 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 11:54:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <4F97986F9A3843F78D97872545CC3B14@OwnerPC> References: <4F97986F9A3843F78D97872545CC3B14@OwnerPC> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140128115140.01c00e98@comcast.net> Good morning, Ashley, Um, this is, I thought a blind list discussing blind things and, whether girl is a partial or a total, bares relevance at least to me. Get over it! Don't call Koby in appropriate! for today, Car 408-209-3239PM 1/4/2014, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >koby, >as the subject indicates, this thread is about accomodations for >music and / or band classes. >Please do not carry on one line conversation messages. Get skype to >do this or write off list. >I have no idea why you single out one girl member to ask such >questions, but IMO its inappropriate for list; when I open these >messages, I want school topics. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 7:50 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > >Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? >Right back soon, >Koby. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >Gephart >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > >No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >>Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >>Right back soon, >>Koby >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart >wrote: >>> >>>Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a >little to fast. >>> >>>Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>How old are you? >>>>Right back soon, >>>>Koby >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart >wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and >figured it out. >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa >wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Does she know braille music? >>>>>>If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, >which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but >listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>>highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me >to learn it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi Marissa, >>>>>>All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your >state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever >needs to call. >>>>>>Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I >think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating >library. >>>>>>We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the >library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>>They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind >people. >>>>>>I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But >perhaps your area is different. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would also recommend trying the distance education program, >hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>> >>>>>>I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; >I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. >but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in >fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to >class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics >for me though. >>>>>> >>>>>>That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you >braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind >musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet >other blind musicians. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ashley >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You can request it online? >>>>>>How? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Lillie Pennington >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>>online. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>>No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>>would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>>trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>>call, so that one's out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>>brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>>my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>>Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>>time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>>Hasn't replied. >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>Marissa, >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>>>0earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>>>icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Tue Jan 28 21:21:04 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 16:21:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140128115140.01c00e98@comcast.net> References: <4F97986F9A3843F78D97872545CC3B14@OwnerPC> <7.0.1.0.2.20140128115140.01c00e98@comcast.net> Message-ID: <5BBF001257AA4A20837A83D8342D03D9@OwnerPC> Carley, Excuse me, but I believe that we need to keep subject lines appropriate. I was only suggesting that if Koby wishes to discuss things of a personal nature and have a general conversation that he do so off list. This subject line was about music and band class, not about age, vision status and other things Koby brought up. I can definitely voice my concern about content. So do not tell me to get over it again. That is kind of rude. While I'm at it, most of us prefer you refrain from using profanity too. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: Carly Mihalakis Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 2:54 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Good morning, Ashley, Um, this is, I thought a blind list discussing blind things and, whether girl is a partial or a total, bares relevance at least to me. Get over it! Don't call Koby in appropriate! for today, Car 408-209-3239PM 1/4/2014, Ashley Bramlett wrote: >koby, >as the subject indicates, this thread is about accomodations for music and >/ or band classes. >Please do not carry on one line conversation messages. Get skype to do this >or write off list. >I have no idea why you single out one girl member to ask such questions, >but IMO its inappropriate for list; when I open these messages, I want >school topics. > >Ashley > >-----Original Message----- From: Koby Cox >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 7:50 PM >To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > >Are you totally blind or do you have some vision? >Right back soon, >Koby. > >-----Original Message----- >From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla >Gephart >Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM >To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) > >No, I am in Choir and Student Council. My favorite hobby is swimming. > >Sent from my iPad > >On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox wrote: > >>Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? >>Right back soon, >>Koby >>Sent from my iPhone >> >>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart >wrote: >>> >>>Thirteen. Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was typing a >little to fast. >>> >>>Sent from my iPad >>> >>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox wrote: >>>> >>>>How old are you? >>>>Right back soon, >>>>Koby >>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>> >>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart >wrote: >>>>> >>>>>Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and >figured it out. >>>>> >>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa >wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Does she know braille music? >>>>>>If so, you are very lucky. As I said before, no one knows it it, >which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but >listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't there. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto >>>>>>highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted me >to learn it. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett > wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>Hi Marissa, >>>>>>All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your >state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever >needs to call. >>>>>>Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I >think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating >library. >>>>>>We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the >library branch system of the county; they are county employees. >>>>>>They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind >people. >>>>>>I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But >perhaps your area is different. >>>>>> >>>>>>I would also recommend trying the distance education program, >hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. >>>>>> >>>>>>I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; >I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. >but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in >fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to >class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics >for me though. >>>>>> >>>>>>That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you >braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind >musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet >other blind musicians. >>>>>> >>>>>>Ashley >>>>>> >>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: marissa >>>>>>Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM >>>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to >highschool(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>You can request it online? >>>>>>How? >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Lillie Pennington >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school(was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it >>>>>>online. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPhone >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. >>>>>>No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They >>>>>>would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm >>>>>>trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to >>>>>>call, so that one's out. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: Mikayla Gephart >>>>>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school (was:Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>Do you know Braille Music? >>>>>> >>>>>>Sent from my iPad >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I >>>>>>brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told >>>>>>my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr >>>>>>Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has >>>>>>time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. >>>>>>Hasn't replied. >>>>>> >>>>>>----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>From: "Chris Nusbaum" >>>>>To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" >>>>>>>>>>>Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500 >>>>>>Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high >>>>>>school (was: Re:[] new year) >>>>>> >>>>>>Marissa, >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>>>>for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%4 >>>>>>0earthlink.net >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40 >>>>>>icloud.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl >>>>>>ife7%40gmail.com >>>>>> >>>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com >>>>> >>>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >>>> >>>>_______________________________________________ >>>>nabs-l mailing list >>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud. >com > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kobycox%40gmail.com > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Tue Jan 28 23:34:23 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:34:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[] new year) Message-ID: <52e83ea0.87e5440a.3fac.1b15@mx.google.com> Speaking of music. Band is still the same, recording doesn't help. Although, it does sound good, the recording does not help me learn. I am better at learning by ear with piano, which I can do well. If anyone would like to hear me play, let me know. Also, I tried putting in the email address for this list and get confused with the others. Could someone please give me the email address? Thank you so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" References: <00ba01cf1bda$2119c070$634d4150$@net> Message-ID: Hi Lillie, I haven't done any of those exact majors, but instead I majored in something called Biology and Society. This combined a basic bio degree with courses about the philosophy of science and the impact of science on society. For example, I took bioethics, a class about healthcare policy and resource allocation, a class on the history of medicine, and a class that integrated biosciences with anthropology. This might be interesting for you. The program was at Arizona State University but there might be similar programs at other schools. Another option is to get a master's degree in medical sociology. Good luck! Arielle On 1/27/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: > Hello All, > > > > I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information on > google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered at > some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly > pursuing this idea further after some thought. > > I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I need > to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding society > and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to > me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly interested > in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I > am > thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative > work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both of > these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on the > national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out more > information in the meantime. > > Thanks > > Lillie > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Jan 29 01:15:27 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 20:15:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] a college/career question In-Reply-To: References: <00ba01cf1bda$2119c070$634d4150$@net> Message-ID: <242D2F85-234B-4CA5-A4FA-CBE24A2ECA9F@fuse.net> Thanks for this information. I will keep it in mind. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Arielle Silverman wrote: > > Hi Lillie, > > I haven't done any of those exact majors, but instead I majored in > something called Biology and Society. This combined a basic bio degree > with courses about the philosophy of science and the impact of science > on society. For example, I took bioethics, a class about healthcare > policy and resource allocation, a class on the history of medicine, > and a class that integrated biosciences with anthropology. This might > be interesting for you. The program was at Arizona State University > but there might be similar programs at other schools. Another option > is to get a master's degree in medical sociology. Good luck! > Arielle > >> On 1/27/14, Lillie Pennington wrote: >> Hello All, >> >> >> >> I was looking up some information for a completely unrelated information on >> google and stumbled on a description of the health science major offered at >> some colleges. I read this description and became interested in possibly >> pursuing this idea further after some thought. >> >> I am pondering doing a double major in health science and sociology. I need >> to look into the sociology further, but it seems that understanding society >> and related fields will be important, and this field seems interesting to >> me. Plus, doing a double major is something I have been strongly interested >> in. I am pondering going for minors in at least psychology. After this, I >> am >> thinking of getting a masters in nursing so I can teach/do administrative >> work/do another sort of nursing career. So. Has anyone studied one/both of >> these majors, and has anyone done a masters in nursing? I will look on the >> national organization of nurses with disabilities website to find out more >> information in the meantime. >> >> Thanks >> >> Lillie >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From ligne14 at verizon.net Wed Jan 29 02:10:26 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:10:26 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[]new year) Message-ID: <0N0500C6M4PQL230@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Marrissa, Wow, you learn music by ear? That's wonderful! You don't read music in braille or print at all? I study the piano and am studying braille music, and I am starting to play the music that I hear as well. I would love to here you play. If you have Skype, I can email you off list and tell you my Skype name if you want. To answer your second question regarding the email address of this list, it is: nabs-lñfbnet.org. With the hope you won't get confused anymore, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: marissa wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" I have no display, so that came out wierd. I'm getting a new Apex soon, finally. I do not have skype, I only have the Apex, which right now, is getting on my last nerve. I do not play clarinet by ear, just piano, on some songs, if I really pay attention. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" This is just a test to see if it works. From matt.dierckens at me.com Wed Jan 29 02:35:44 2014 From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:35:44 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Just a test In-Reply-To: <52e86803.87d5440a.5fed.47be@mx.google.com> References: <52e86803.87d5440a.5fed.47be@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <2619DAE8-088E-4849-8B16-8317F4B3481E@me.com> It does indeed. :). Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 28, 2014, at 9:30 PM, marissa wrote: > This is just a test to see if it works. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Wed Jan 29 02:38:58 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:38:58 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[]new year) In-Reply-To: <52e83ea0.87e5440a.3fac.1b15@mx.google.com> References: <52e83ea0.87e5440a.3fac.1b15@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <0B1D04938F8D4A4395CF80CC364868A7@OwnerPC> Marisa, On the band subject I was wondering how that was going. I assume this is an elective in high school. If you don't have the music brailled, I imagine its tough. Listening doesn't help, you say. The only other thing I can think of may be to ask the director to play your part only as well as state the notes. Maybe if your part is played alone, you might differientiate the notes. Hope it works out. I took private piano lessons as a child and pre teen. I played by ear a little bit but mostly my teacher had to state what notes I needed to play. However, listening did give me a sense of the rhythym of the song. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 6:34 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music forBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[]new year) Speaking of music. Band is still the same, recording doesn't help. Although, it does sound good, the recording does not help me learn. I am better at learning by ear with piano, which I can do well. If anyone would like to hear me play, let me know. Also, I tried putting in the email address for this list and get confused with the others. Could someone please give me the email address? Thank you so much. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Bout time I got it right. ----- Original Message ----- From: Matthew Dierckens wrote: This is just a test to see if it works. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.diercken s%40me.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 03:15:54 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 19:15:54 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] MusicforBand was RE: adjustingto highschool(was:Re:[]new year) Message-ID: <52e8728b.0ac5440a.6d0e.5c4a@mx.google.com> I can have voice chat right now. Just give me your name. I think I have to do it through google hangouts though, so. ----- Original Message ----- From: sami osborne wrote: Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: How old are you? Right back soon, Koby Sent from my iPhone On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart wrote: Hi Marissa, All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or whomever needs to call. Some libraries have an email address to send your request to. I think that question is best answered by a librarian in your cooperating library. We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of the library branch system of the county; they are county employees. They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind people. I was able to order my own books as a high school student. But perhaps your area is different. I would also recommend trying the distance education program, hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music. I've heard braille music is quite different than regular braille; I never learned it, but was not in band. I did do choir a few years. but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening. in fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply went to class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the lyrics for me though. That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you braille music, if you want to learn it. There are camps for blind musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code and meet other blind musicians. Ashley -----Original Message----- From: marissa Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to highschool(was:Re:[] new year) You can request it online? How? ----- Original Message ----- From: Lillie Pennington wrote: I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me. No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself. They would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music. I'm trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to call, so that one's out. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: They do not know braille music. I have asked repeatedly. I brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago. Didn't help. I told my casecarrier about Dancing Dots and she told me to tell Mr Sanders, my band director. I emailed him, because he never has time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students. Hasn't replied. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Nusbaum" Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a public school in Lakewood Colorado. While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on the walls ASAP. 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I don't need it. The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next level? All advice is always appreciated! Thank you, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 From zdreicer at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 04:05:06 2014 From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:05:06 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: also, I will be talking about the second question you proposed to the administration at the Colorado Center, they will be getting back with you shortly. Talk to you later :-) and sorry to hear of your difficulties my friend. Great news! At my time at Alameda, I discovered that the new building has Braellan it. I know that this isn't necessarily what you want to hear, but it is a start! Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > On Jan 28, 2014, at 21:00, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Dear National Association of Blind Students, > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > the walls ASAP. > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > don't need it. > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > level? > All advice is always appreciated! > Thank you, > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Instagram: jj_duran13 > Skype: jj.duran13 > Kik: jjd_13 > Twitter: jj_duran_13 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com From johnniejduran at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 04:10:06 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 02:10:06 -0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Zachary, The freshman are not placed in the new wing, if that were the case, I would have no problems! Thanks, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 04:10:10 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:10:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009801cf1ca8$00fba910$02f2fb30$@gmail.com> At all cost, you must insure that you are not placed into the challenged room with multiple disabilities. Have you and your mother go to the principal first, then if that does not work, which it seems likely, then write a letter to the super intendant. Start martialing your resources. Make sure you write down any conversation you have had with the school officials, and any conversations you have from here forward. That is how I would start. If you do not get a response, you must decide whether to go to a new school or use the NFB, and ADA to in a more aggressive fashion. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of johnnie Jean duran Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:00 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a public school in Lakewood Colorado. While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on the walls ASAP. 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I don't need it. The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next level? All advice is always appreciated! Thank you, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Wed Jan 29 04:11:53 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:11:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Talk to your tvi. It was probably a offhandedly comment. My high school does not have Braille and while it is nice to have I get around to all of my classes independently. You could try putting bel crow on the doors of your classes or something if pure memorization will not work for you. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Dear National Association of Blind Students, > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > the walls ASAP. > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > don't need it. > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > level? > All advice is always appreciated! > Thank you, > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Instagram: jj_duran13 > Skype: jj.duran13 > Kik: jjd_13 > Twitter: jj_duran_13 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 04:15:49 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 23:15:49 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <009b01cf1ca8$cb258170$61708450$@gmail.com> You could also try a braille label, except, I would be worried about durability with all the people walking by and messing with it. The school does not seem to be taking you seriously which may cause problems down the road. You can try a self labeling system, if you want. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:12 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... Talk to your tvi. It was probably a offhandedly comment. My high school does not have Braille and while it is nice to have I get around to all of my classes independently. You could try putting bel crow on the doors of your classes or something if pure memorization will not work for you. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 11:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware > of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > the walls ASAP. > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > don't need it. > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > level? > All advice is always appreciated! > Thank you, > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, > United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of > Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), > and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Instagram: jj_duran13 > Skype: jj.duran13 > Kik: jjd_13 > Twitter: jj_duran_13 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%4 > 0fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 04:20:35 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 21:20:35 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi JJ, Congrats on starting high school soon! While Braille signage does make getting around more convenient, most school buildings I have seen do not have consistent Braille signs. I am not sure if Braille signage is even required by the ADA. Though I'd encourage you to keep pushing the school for Braille, please understand that there are many other ways for you to find your classrooms independently without it. You can learn whichpod is which based on where it is relative to other landmarks on campus. For example, perhaps as you walk in to campus from the parking lot, one pod is on your left while the other is straight ahead or on your right. These are things that your O&M teacher can help you identify. Inside the building, you can learn where your classrooms are by counting doors and by learning which landmarks are near your classes. There might be a restroom, drinking fountain or stairway close to your classroom that you can use as a landmark. I have gotten around in many buildings without Braille signs, including my current office building and the building I teach in. In fact, you might be surprised to learn that the NFB national center has few, if any, Braille signs! Many things at the national center are Brailled, but not the room doors. I don't completely agree with their choice not to put up Braille signs, but I suppose that the blind employees at the National Center for the Blind don't feel that Braille signage is necessary for them to navigate. In my experience, after a while I do memorize my routes well enough that I don't need to check the Braille sign even if there is one. In the beginning, when you are learning campus, your teachers and classmates can help you identify the landmarks on your path of travel. You and your TVI could work together to make temporary Braille signs on paper or stickers for just the classrooms you use most. This is a simple solution that would not involve getting the school to cooperate. On the downside, the temporary signs may not last too long if students vandalize them. Regarding your second issue, the principal is not allowed to put you in a "challenge" classroom without your parents' permission. These kinds of arrangements must be made in writing at IEP meetings and agreed to by a majority of people on your IEP team, including your parents. The principal might not understand this. If you don't yet attend your annual IEP meetings, I would suggest you ask to start doing so and ask for Braille copies of your IEP so you have a record of what your educational plan is and can voice any concerns. I am not sure why the principal feels a challenge room would help you, but it does not sound like something that your parents would agree to. Best, Arielle On 1/28/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > also, I will be talking about the second question you proposed to the > administration at the Colorado Center, they will be getting back with you > shortly. Talk to you later :-) and sorry to hear of your difficulties my > friend. Great news! At my time at Alameda, I discovered that the new > building has Braellan it. I know that this isn't necessarily what you want > to hear, but it is a start! > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 21:00, johnnie Jean duran >> wrote: >> >> Dear National Association of Blind Students, >> As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader >> (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a >> public school in Lakewood Colorado. >> While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the >> area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille >> on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is >> no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. >> This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of >> identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought >> this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then >> informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've >> made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that >> she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days >> later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on >> the walls ASAP. >> 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade >> class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any >> braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the >> issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's >> been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as >> if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I >> would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple >> disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact >> that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of >> everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only >> thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being >> underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I >> don't need it. >> The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I >> am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next >> level? >> All advice is always appreciated! >> Thank you, >> JJ >> >> -- >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> 8th Grade Student >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> Chapter of the NFB. >> Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> Instagram: jj_duran13 >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> Kik: jjd_13 >> Twitter: jj_duran_13 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 05:12:11 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 00:12:11 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <00a001cf1cb0$ab064390$0112cab0$@gmail.com> I used the mobility Method just described by Arielle when I was a kid to get around school. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:21 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... Hi JJ, Congrats on starting high school soon! While Braille signage does make getting around more convenient, most school buildings I have seen do not have consistent Braille signs. I am not sure if Braille signage is even required by the ADA. Though I'd encourage you to keep pushing the school for Braille, please understand that there are many other ways for you to find your classrooms independently without it. You can learn whichpod is which based on where it is relative to other landmarks on campus. For example, perhaps as you walk in to campus from the parking lot, one pod is on your left while the other is straight ahead or on your right. These are things that your O&M teacher can help you identify. Inside the building, you can learn where your classrooms are by counting doors and by learning which landmarks are near your classes. There might be a restroom, drinking fountain or stairway close to your classroom that you can use as a landmark. I have gotten around in many buildings without Braille signs, including my current office building and the building I teach in. In fact, you might be surprised to learn that the NFB national center has few, if any, Braille signs! Many things at the national center are Brailled, but not the room doors. I don't completely agree with their choice not to put up Braille signs, but I suppose that the blind employees at the National Center for the Blind don't feel that Braille signage is necessary for them to navigate. In my experience, after a while I do memorize my routes well enough that I don't need to check the Braille sign even if there is one. In the beginning, when you are learning campus, your teachers and classmates can help you identify the landmarks on your path of travel. You and your TVI could work together to make temporary Braille signs on paper or stickers for just the classrooms you use most. This is a simple solution that would not involve getting the school to cooperate. On the downside, the temporary signs may not last too long if students vandalize them. Regarding your second issue, the principal is not allowed to put you in a "challenge" classroom without your parents' permission. These kinds of arrangements must be made in writing at IEP meetings and agreed to by a majority of people on your IEP team, including your parents. The principal might not understand this. If you don't yet attend your annual IEP meetings, I would suggest you ask to start doing so and ask for Braille copies of your IEP so you have a record of what your educational plan is and can voice any concerns. I am not sure why the principal feels a challenge room would help you, but it does not sound like something that your parents would agree to. Best, Arielle On 1/28/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: > also, I will be talking about the second question you proposed to the > administration at the Colorado Center, they will be getting back with > you shortly. Talk to you later :-) and sorry to hear of your > difficulties my friend. Great news! At my time at Alameda, I > discovered that the new building has Braellan it. I know that this > isn't necessarily what you want to hear, but it is a start! > > Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver > >> On Jan 28, 2014, at 21:00, johnnie Jean duran >> >> wrote: >> >> Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware >> of, next year, I will become a 9th grader >> (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is >> a public school in Lakewood Colorado. >> While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the >> area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille >> on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is >> no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. >> This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of >> identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought >> this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then >> informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've >> made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me >> that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few >> days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up >> on the walls ASAP. >> 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade >> class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any >> braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up >> the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that >> he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned >> away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, >> that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have >> multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of >> the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable >> of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only >> thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being >> underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I >> don't need it. >> The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I >> am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next >> level? >> All advice is always appreciated! >> Thank you, >> JJ >> >> -- >> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> 8th Grade Student >> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, >> United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of >> Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), >> and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. >> Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> Instagram: jj_duran13 >> Skype: jj.duran13 >> Kik: jjd_13 >> Twitter: jj_duran_13 >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail. >> com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From arielle71 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 05:44:58 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 22:44:58 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: <00a001cf1cb0$ab064390$0112cab0$@gmail.com> References: <00a001cf1cb0$ab064390$0112cab0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Another point worth mentioning is that when you are trying to find a classroom in a crowded hall between classes, it may be hard to even get close enough to the doorframe to touch the Braille. That's why learning the important landmarks around you is still useful even if there are Braille signs you can use to check your location. Best, Arielle On 1/28/14, justin williams wrote: > I used the mobility Method just described by Arielle when I was a kid to > get > around school. > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle > Silverman > Sent: Tuesday, January 28, 2014 11:21 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... > > Hi JJ, > > Congrats on starting high school soon! > > While Braille signage does make getting around more convenient, most school > buildings I have seen do not have consistent Braille signs. I am not sure > if > Braille signage is even required by the ADA. Though I'd encourage you to > keep pushing the school for Braille, please understand that there are many > other ways for you to find your classrooms independently without it. You > can > learn whichpod is which based on where it is relative to other landmarks on > campus. For example, perhaps as you walk in to campus from the parking lot, > one pod is on your left while the other is straight ahead or on your right. > These are things that your O&M teacher can help you identify. > Inside the building, you can learn where your classrooms are by counting > doors and by learning which landmarks are near your classes. > There might be a restroom, drinking fountain or stairway close to your > classroom that you can use as a landmark. I have gotten around in many > buildings without Braille signs, including my current office building and > the building I teach in. In fact, you might be surprised to learn that the > NFB national center has few, if any, Braille signs! Many things at the > national center are Brailled, but not the room doors. I don't completely > agree with their choice not to put up Braille signs, but I suppose that the > blind employees at the National Center for the Blind don't feel that > Braille > signage is necessary for them to navigate. In my experience, after a while > I > do memorize my routes well enough that I don't need to check the Braille > sign even if there is one. In the beginning, when you are learning campus, > your teachers and classmates can help you identify the landmarks on your > path of travel. > You and your TVI could work together to make temporary Braille signs on > paper or stickers for just the classrooms you use most. This is a simple > solution that would not involve getting the school to cooperate. On the > downside, the temporary signs may not last too long if students vandalize > them. > > Regarding your second issue, the principal is not allowed to put you in a > "challenge" classroom without your parents' permission. These kinds of > arrangements must be made in writing at IEP meetings and agreed to by a > majority of people on your IEP team, including your parents. The principal > might not understand this. If you don't yet attend your annual IEP > meetings, > I would suggest you ask to start doing so and ask for Braille copies of > your > IEP so you have a record of what your educational plan is and can voice any > concerns. I am not sure why the principal feels a challenge room would help > you, but it does not sound like something that your parents would agree to. > > Best, > Arielle > > On 1/28/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer wrote: >> also, I will be talking about the second question you proposed to the >> administration at the Colorado Center, they will be getting back with >> you shortly. Talk to you later :-) and sorry to hear of your >> difficulties my friend. Great news! At my time at Alameda, I >> discovered that the new building has Braellan it. I know that this >> isn't necessarily what you want to hear, but it is a start! >> >> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver >> >>> On Jan 28, 2014, at 21:00, johnnie Jean duran >>> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware >>> of, next year, I will become a 9th grader >>> (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is >>> a public school in Lakewood Colorado. >>> While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the >>> area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille >>> on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is >>> no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. >>> This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of >>> identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought >>> this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then >>> informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've >>> made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me >>> that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few >>> days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up >>> on the walls ASAP. >>> 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade >>> class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any >>> braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up >>> the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that >>> he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned >>> away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, >>> that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have >>> multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of >>> the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable >>> of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only >>> thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being >>> underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I >>> don't need it. >>> The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I >>> am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next >>> level? >>> All advice is always appreciated! >>> Thank you, >>> JJ >>> >>> -- >>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >>> 8th Grade Student >>> O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, >>> United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of >>> Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), >>> and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. >>> Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >>> Instagram: jj_duran13 >>> Skype: jj.duran13 >>> Kik: jjd_13 >>> Twitter: jj_duran_13 >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail. >>> com >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. >> com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Wed Jan 29 12:13:14 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:13:14 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <52E8F05A.3070603@comcast.net> Hi, Johnny. I'mi sitting in your backyard, writing you a reply to your email. I did not exactly get some of the normal experiences that some teenagers get, so I hope that your parents can be good advocates and say you don't need the challenge room for students with multiple disabilities. Oftentimes, in what we now call "special ed", we get lowered expectations, the worst possible education, and unqualified aids and paraeducators who don't know enough about disability. I would suggest doing some research about the unchallenging things about the "special ed" rooms. Throwing you in that room will isolate you from the other students, and I don't think that's healthy. I have had sighted friends, and those friends open a huge door. Also, I'd talk to Julie Deden and Brent Batron from CCB over in Littleton. IF you do participate in the youth programs, I'd do something where the staff of CCB actually demonstrate the badness of being isolated in special ed, and they can possibly bring in some sobering statistics. Hth, Beth On 1/28/2014 9:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > Dear National Association of Blind Students, > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > the walls ASAP. > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > don't need it. > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > level? > All advice is always appreciated! > Thank you, > JJ > From loneblindjedi at samobile.net Wed Jan 29 12:18:51 2014 From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 06:18:51 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Greetings, Arielle has already given you some great suggestions on navigating your school without braille signs. I would add that the signs may have tactile print on them already. Check those out and see if they will work for you. Don't forget that it is also okay to ask people which room you are about to enter. I use this technique from time to time. These techniques will definitely work for you, but don't stop your advocacy efforts for the accessible signs as they are a requirement of the ADA and new buildings and retrofitted ones. Finally, I do believe the National Center does actually have Braille signs. I don't know about the old part of the building, but the new part has some very nice signs indeed. Respectfully, Jedi Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: > > Dear National Association of Blind Students, > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > the walls ASAP. > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > don't need it. > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > level? > All advice is always appreciated! > Thank you, > JJ > > -- > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > 8th Grade Student > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > Chapter of the NFB. > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > Instagram: jj_duran13 > Skype: jj.duran13 > Kik: jjd_13 > Twitter: jj_duran_13 > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > From carlymih at comcast.net Wed Jan 29 13:23:00 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:23:00 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140129051523.021a5260@comcast.net> Good morning, JJ, You sound very anguished about this. Is not simply asking a fellow student not in option in your case? Seems like a no-brainer to me for, I believe we oughtto strive for interdependence, proof that in fact, we need each other. after all, people like Martin Luther King himself observed that, people often forget that life is social so why not reach out to our fellows to find out which room you're approaching? Why the anguish, JJ? I don't like to see you so anguish'd when you're about to begin high school. Please tell us about what is a presence within your world, that is making this so hard? for today, Car 408-2209-3239Greetings, >Arielle has already given you some great suggestions on navigating >your school without braille signs. I would add that the signs may >have tactile print on them already. Check those out and see if they >will work for you. Don't forget that it is also okay to ask people >which room you are about to enter. I use this technique from time to >time. These techniques will definitely work for you, but don't stop >your advocacy efforts for the accessible signs as they are a >requirement of the ADA and new buildings and retrofitted ones. > >Finally, I do believe the National Center does actually have >Braille signs. I don't know about the old part of the building, but >the new part has some very nice signs indeed. > >Respectfully, >Jedi > >Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran > wrote: > > > > Dear National Association of Blind Students, > > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader > > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a > > public school in Lakewood Colorado. > > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the > > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille > > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is > > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. > > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of > > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought > > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then > > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've > > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that > > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days > > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on > > the walls ASAP. > > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade > > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any > > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the > > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's > > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as > > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I > > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple > > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact > > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of > > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only > > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being > > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I > > don't need it. > > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I > > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next > > level? > > All advice is always appreciated! > > Thank you, > > JJ > > > > -- > > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran > > 8th Grade Student > > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School > > Lakewood, Colorado, United States > > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), > > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro > > Chapter of the NFB. > > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran > > Instagram: jj_duran13 > > Skype: jj.duran13 > > Kik: jjd_13 > > Twitter: jj_duran_13 > > > > _______________________________________________ > > nabs-l mailing list > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info > for nabs-l: > > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net > > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 13:36:51 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 05:36:51 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... Message-ID: <52e90415.c394420a.3056.11b7@mx.google.com> I have not read all of this, but is this about getting to your room? ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a public school in Lakewood Colorado. While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on the walls ASAP. 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I don't need it. The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next level? All advice is always appreciated! Thank you, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi %40samobile.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org Wed Jan 29 14:05:51 2014 From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 14:05:51 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... In-Reply-To: <52e90415.c394420a.3056.11b7@mx.google.com> References: <52e90415.c394420a.3056.11b7@mx.google.com> Message-ID: How did you do academically last year? Why are they putting you in a classroom with kids with multiple disabilities? -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of marissa Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:37 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... I have not read all of this, but is this about getting to your room? ----- Original Message ----- From: Carly Mihalakis ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a public school in Lakewood Colorado. While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on the walls ASAP. 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I don't need it. The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next level? All advice is always appreciated! Thank you, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi %40samobile.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif%40dbs.fldoe.org From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 14:13:12 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 06:13:12 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... Message-ID: <52e90c9a.6c1c450a.28f0.21ea@mx.google.com> Go to the person in charge and demand you get put in a class that is sutable for your level of academics. They should not do this, the only class I could understand you being put in to is APE. They put me in APE and it iritates me so much because the coach apparently has no experience with blind students. Got hit four times in one day, with a ball. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Wasif, Zunaira" ,National Association of Blind Students mailing list wrote: Dear National Association of Blind Students, As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a public school in Lakewood Colorado. While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on the walls ASAP. 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I don't need it. The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next level? All advice is always appreciated! Thank you, JJ -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi %40samobile.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40co mcast.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zunaira.wasif %40dbs.fldoe.org _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pianogirlforl ife7%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 14:30:45 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 09:30:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues Message-ID: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> Dear Johnnie, I was in high school for four years and never had any of these issues. Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the school to see if they could put braille signs where your classrooms will be. I think under the ADA public schools are required to have Braille in all of their buildings. I navigated my high school campus both by verifying room numbers using the Braille and memorizing my class schedule. Let us know how things turn out in the future. From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 15:08:29 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:08:29 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... References: <52E8F05A.3070603@comcast.net> Message-ID: <82B54791949141798CE314065728A48B@robert9999b7cf> When I was in high skool, I did not have braille on the doors. I was expected to get to class's on time no excuses. Weeks before skool began, my mobility instructorwould work with me until I got the roots down. Their are other ways of doing things. This is where one must learn to problem solve. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Beth Taurasi" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 7:13 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... > Hi, Johnny. > I'mi sitting in your backyard, writing you a reply to your email. I did > not exactly get some of the normal experiences that some teenagers get, so > I hope that your parents can be good advocates and say you don't need the > challenge room for students with multiple disabilities. Oftentimes, in > what we now call "special ed", we get lowered expectations, the worst > possible education, and unqualified aids and paraeducators who don't know > enough about disability. I would suggest doing some research about the > unchallenging things about the "special ed" rooms. Throwing you in that > room will isolate you from the other students, and I don't think that's > healthy. I have had sighted friends, and those friends open a huge door. > Also, I'd talk to Julie Deden and Brent Batron from CCB over in Littleton. > IF you do participate in the youth programs, I'd do something where the > staff of CCB actually demonstrate the badness of being isolated in special > ed, and they can possibly bring in some sobering statistics. > Hth, > Beth > > On 1/28/2014 9:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran wrote: >> Dear National Association of Blind Students, >> As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader >> (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a >> public school in Lakewood Colorado. >> While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the >> area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille >> on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is >> no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. >> This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of >> identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought >> this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then >> informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've >> made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that >> she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days >> later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on >> the walls ASAP. >> 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade >> class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any >> braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the >> issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's >> been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as >> if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I >> would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple >> disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact >> that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of >> everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only >> thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being >> underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I >> don't need it. >> The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I >> am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next >> level? >> All advice is always appreciated! >> Thank you, >> JJ >> > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 15:13:56 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:13:56 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... References: <7.0.1.0.2.20140129051523.021a5260@comcast.net> Message-ID: <45C134E539A14D16BA874266E044596A@robert9999b7cf> When I graduated from high skool, I attended a comunity college, and then after that I attend university. I asked if an assignment could be brailled for me, and the skools responce was that I needed to learn how to use openbook. RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carly Mihalakis" To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Frustrating High School Issue... > Good morning, JJ, > > You sound very anguished about this. Is not simply asking a fellow student > not in option in your case? Seems like a no-brainer to me for, I believe > we oughtto strive for interdependence, proof that in fact, we need each > other. > after all, people like Martin Luther King himself observed that, people > often forget that life is social so why not reach out to our fellows to > find out which room you're approaching? Why the anguish, JJ? I don't like > to see you so anguish'd when you're about to begin high school. Please > tell us about what is a presence within your world, that is making this so > hard? > for today, Car > 408-2209-3239Greetings, > >>Arielle has already given you some great suggestions on navigating your >>school without braille signs. I would add that the signs may have tactile >>print on them already. Check those out and see if they will work for you. >>Don't forget that it is also okay to ask people which room you are about >>to enter. I use this technique from time to time. These techniques will >>definitely work for you, but don't stop your advocacy efforts for the >>accessible signs as they are a requirement of the ADA and new buildings >>and retrofitted ones. >> >>Finally, I do believe the National Center does actually have Braille >>signs. I don't know about the old part of the building, but the new part >>has some very nice signs indeed. >> >>Respectfully, >>Jedi >> >>Sent from my iPhone >> >> > On Jan 28, 2014, at 10:00 PM, johnnie Jean duran >> wrote: >> > >> > Dear National Association of Blind Students, >> > As some of you are aware of, next year, I will become a 9th grader >> > (freshman) at Alameda International High School. This high school is a >> > public school in Lakewood Colorado. >> > While visiting the school for the first time, I'd realized that the >> > area in which the 9th grade students have classes in, has no braille >> > on the walls. There are 2 pods, that look exactly alike, but there is >> > no braille on each doorway to identify which room you are entering. >> > This is going to be an issue for me because there is no way of >> > identifying which room I am entering, or which pod I am in. I brought >> > this situation up to my TVI and ONM teachers. My ONM teacher then >> > informed me that she'd spoken to Alameda several times, and they've >> > made it seem as if this issue was not a necessity. My TVI told me that >> > she would talk to the administration about this issue. A few days >> > later, she happily informed me that they were getting braille up on >> > the walls ASAP. >> > 2 months later, while I am viseting the school with my 8th grade >> > class, we took a tour through the pods, and still I did not see any >> > braille. At a parent night my Mom attended tonight, she brought up the >> > issue to the Assistant Principal as well. He informed us that he's >> > been aware of the situation for several years, and then turned away as >> > if it were not important enough to discuss. He then told us, that I >> > would be placed in a challenge room with students who have multiple >> > disabilities. I was frustrated with this issue because of the fact >> > that I do not need to be in a challenge room. I am capable of >> > everything a sighted individual is capable of doing, and the only >> > thing that is stopping me is that braille. I feel like I am being >> > underestimated, and I rfuse to be placed in a challege room when I >> > don't need it. >> > The NFB is my last resort, therefore as experienced blind students, I >> > am asking for your help. How would I take this situation to the next >> > level? >> > All advice is always appreciated! >> > Thank you, >> > JJ >> > >> > -- >> > Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran >> > 8th Grade Student >> > O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School >> > Lakewood, Colorado, United States >> > Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), >> > The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro >> > Chapter of the NFB. >> > Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran >> > Instagram: jj_duran13 >> > Skype: jj.duran13 >> > Kik: jjd_13 >> > Twitter: jj_duran_13 >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > nabs-l mailing list >> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >> for nabs-l: >> > >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/loneblindjedi%40samobile.net >> > >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From sandragayer7 at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 21:36:43 2014 From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 21:36:43 +0000 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues In-Reply-To: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> References: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hello, I live in Europe. I never had Braille on any walls or doors and I managed fine. For some buildings, I didn't even get adequate mobility but I memorised layouts, counted doors and I had friends if I really needed help. The only real issue at one point was my locker. It became tedius counting them and they all felt the same so I labelled it myself. If you need Braille labels on doors, pods etc, maybe write dimo labels yourself and ask for sighted help as to where to put them? Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/29/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Johnnie, > > I was in high school for four years and never had any of these > issues. Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the > school to see if they could put braille signs where your > classrooms will be. I think under the ADA public schools are > required to have Braille in all of their buildings. I navigated > my high school campus both by verifying room numbers using the > Braille and memorizing my class schedule. Let us know how things > turn out in the future. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer From mikgephart at icloud.com Wed Jan 29 21:49:05 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 16:49:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues In-Reply-To: References: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <5CAA3125-9C87-44D4-860E-0AD59BD8299B@icloud.com> Sandra, When I started with a locker, my mom asked for me to have an end one. Sent from my iPad On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Sandra Gayer wrote: > Hello, > I live in Europe. I never had Braille on any walls or doors and I > managed fine. For some buildings, I didn't even get adequate mobility > but I memorised layouts, counted doors and I had friends if I really > needed help. The only real issue at one point was my locker. It became > tedius counting them and they all felt the same so I labelled it > myself. If you need Braille labels on doors, pods etc, maybe write > dimo labels yourself and ask for sighted help as to where to put them? > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > > On 1/29/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >> Dear Johnnie, >> >> I was in high school for four years and never had any of these >> issues. Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the >> school to see if they could put braille signs where your >> classrooms will be. I think under the ADA public schools are >> required to have Braille in all of their buildings. I navigated >> my high school campus both by verifying room numbers using the >> Braille and memorizing my class schedule. Let us know how things >> turn out in the future. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com Wed Jan 29 22:54:34 2014 From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 17:54:34 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues References: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> <5CAA3125-9C87-44D4-860E-0AD59BD8299B@icloud.com> Message-ID: <3BCED5EB1A474F0EB7EF01B2E9403FEE@robert9999b7cf> What is the NFB's stance concerning this issue? RJ ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mikayla Gephart" To: ; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:49 PM Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues > Sandra, > When I started with a locker, my mom asked for me to have an end one. > > Sent from my iPad > > On Jan 29, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Sandra Gayer wrote: > >> Hello, >> I live in Europe. I never had Braille on any walls or doors and I >> managed fine. For some buildings, I didn't even get adequate mobility >> but I memorised layouts, counted doors and I had friends if I really >> needed help. The only real issue at one point was my locker. It became >> tedius counting them and they all felt the same so I labelled it >> myself. If you need Braille labels on doors, pods etc, maybe write >> dimo labels yourself and ask for sighted help as to where to put them? >> >> Very best wishes, >> Sandra. >> >> On 1/29/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >>> Dear Johnnie, >>> >>> I was in high school for four years and never had any of these >>> issues. Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the >>> school to see if they could put braille signs where your >>> classrooms will be. I think under the ADA public schools are >>> required to have Braille in all of their buildings. I navigated >>> my high school campus both by verifying room numbers using the >>> Braille and memorizing my class schedule. Let us know how things >>> turn out in the future. >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gmail.com >> >> >> -- >> Soprano Singer >> www.sandragayer.com >> >> Broadcast Presenter >> >> www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html >> >> Voiceover Artist >> >> www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 01:59:43 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:59:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues In-Reply-To: References: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <01ef01cf1d5e$f25f31d0$d71d9570$@gmail.com> Because the lock on my locker must be a push-button combination rather than the standard spinning knob style, my lock feels different from all the others. Although my locker is in the middle of a row, I use this to tell mine apart from the rest. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues Hello, I live in Europe. I never had Braille on any walls or doors and I managed fine. For some buildings, I didn't even get adequate mobility but I memorised layouts, counted doors and I had friends if I really needed help. The only real issue at one point was my locker. It became tedius counting them and they all felt the same so I labelled it myself. If you need Braille labels on doors, pods etc, maybe write dimo labels yourself and ask for sighted help as to where to put them? Very best wishes, Sandra. On 1/29/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: > Dear Johnnie, > > I was in high school for four years and never had any of these issues. > Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the school to see > if they could put braille signs where your classrooms will be. I > think under the ADA public schools are required to have Braille in all > of their buildings. I navigated my high school campus both by > verifying room numbers using the Braille and memorizing my class > schedule. Let us know how things turn out in the future. > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gma > il.com > -- Soprano Singer www.sandragayer.com Broadcast Presenter www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html Voiceover Artist www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 03:33:41 2014 From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:33:41 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues In-Reply-To: <01ef01cf1d5e$f25f31d0$d71d9570$@gmail.com> References: <52e910c9.e78aec0a.64aa.7fb9@mx.google.com> <01ef01cf1d5e$f25f31d0$d71d9570$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <28CD054B-2978-4EE4-A24A-0B567C95A4D1@gmail.com> When I was in high school I think I bought a padlock and got the school Who to take out the regular combination lock… I didn't have any problems with it. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 29, 2014, at 6:59 PM, "Chris Nusbaum" wrote: > > Because the lock on my locker must be a push-button combination rather than > the standard spinning knob style, my lock feels different from all the > others. Although my locker is in the middle of a row, I use this to tell > mine apart from the rest. > > Chris > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sandra Gayer > Sent: Wednesday, January 29, 2014 4:37 PM > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Re- Frustrated With High School issues > > Hello, > I live in Europe. I never had Braille on any walls or doors and I managed > fine. For some buildings, I didn't even get adequate mobility but I > memorised layouts, counted doors and I had friends if I really needed help. > The only real issue at one point was my locker. It became tedius counting > them and they all felt the same so I labelled it myself. If you need Braille > labels on doors, pods etc, maybe write dimo labels yourself and ask for > sighted help as to where to put them? > > Very best wishes, > Sandra. > >> On 1/29/14, Roanna Baccchus wrote: >> Dear Johnnie, >> >> I was in high school for four years and never had any of these issues. >> Maybe you could try talking to the administration at the school to see >> if they could put braille signs where your classrooms will be. I >> think under the ADA public schools are required to have Braille in all >> of their buildings. I navigated my high school campus both by >> verifying room numbers using the Braille and memorizing my class >> schedule. Let us know how things turn out in the future. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sandragayer7%40gma >> il.com > > > -- > Soprano Singer > www.sandragayer.com > > Broadcast Presenter > > www.insightradio.co.uk/music-box.html > > Voiceover Artist > > www.archangelvoices.co.uk/content/sandra-gayer > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kirt.crazydude%40gmail.com From trillian551 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 04:59:59 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:59:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs-List guidelines (please read) Message-ID: All, I hope your week has been going well, and you are ready for the weekend! Below I will paste the NABS List guidelines which everyone should keep in mind when posting to the list. Please read them, so we can insure everyone has a welcomed, and enjoyable experience. Never hesitate to contact me, off list, if there is a problem. Thank you. Your list moderator NABS List Guidelines 1. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our opinions. Which in turns, means that we will inevitably disagree. However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and degrading comments will not be tolerated. 2. All posts must be appropriate. The Listserv is opened to students of all ages, from middle school to post graduate, it is also opened to blindness professionals and other interested parties. Thus, when posting on the listserv remember to use the appropriate language. Profanity is not appropriate. Furthermore, the content should be well thought out. 3. In the last year, many people have taken to posting one liners to the list. This habit creates unnecessary clutter. Often, there are several threads going on at once, and one might feel compel to answer to each of those individually. When this happens, please make sure that your post says more than, "I agree" or "good idea". When responding to a post, please make sure that there is actual substance to that post, which will further the conversation. To go along with that, when someone expresses a differing opinion, and you have already voiced your thought, please do not send repeated posts on how you stand by your opinion unless you have more to add to that. Threads that grow into the 70s and 80s in posts, should not be half made up of "that's what I think, like I said before", and "I stand by what I said earlier". Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation. 4. When you would like to write someone off list, do so. You do not have to write one liners to every person you'd like to email off list. If you develop a conversation with that person, that's great, if they feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. 5. Stay on topic. There are many times when informational emails are sent out to the list for distribution, these often include, but are not limited to: survey, announcements, ads, etc. If you have a moral objection to said informational emails, and it is relevant to blind students, please start a new thread. A lot of times people are so overwhelmed by the response to a particular informational email, that they cannot find the original post, and so someone who might benefit from it has difficulty getting at the information. 6. Finally, if at any point Mr. Whalen, who is the NABS President, Mr. David Andrews, who is the master for all NFB-net listservs, or myself, say that it is not ok to continue a thread, that thread should stop. Feel free to email us telling us why you think it should continue if you think it should and we will be more than happy to listen. -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From lras at sprynet.com Thu Jan 30 15:54:08 2014 From: lras at sprynet.com (Lloyd Rasmussen) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:54:08 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity for Blind Actors Message-ID: I don't know anything about this, but the casting call was passed to us via one of the narrators in the NLS studio. Please contact the address below. -------------------------- Casting for Blind Talent If you know anyone that is blind - please pass this along: We are casting a spot and need blind people. We will be casting in DC, Chicago, LA & NYC & will shoot in LA. Great pay, travel, etc. email me for details: betsy at betsycasting.com -- Thanks, Betsy Betsy Royall Casting, CSA Like Us On FACEBOOK Check Us Out On IMDB betsy at betsycasting.com www.betsycasting.com 410-493-7322 _______________________________________________ blindtlk mailing list blindtlk at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindtlk: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 18:55:27 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 12:55:27 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Opportunity for Blind Actors In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello all, Upon e-mailing the contact listed here, I received a response indicating that the spot has already been cast. Just letting you all know. Ryan L. Silveira On 1/30/14, Lloyd Rasmussen wrote: > I don't know anything about this, but the casting call was passed to us via > one of the narrators in the NLS studio. Please contact the address below. > -------------------------- > Casting for Blind Talent > If you know anyone that is blind - please pass this along: > We are casting a spot and need blind people. We will be casting in DC, > Chicago, LA > & NYC & will shoot in LA. Great pay, travel, etc. > email me for details: > betsy at betsycasting.com > -- > Thanks, > Betsy > Betsy Royall Casting, CSA > Like Us On FACEBOOK > Check Us Out On IMDB > betsy at betsycasting.com > www.betsycasting.com > 410-493-7322 > > > > _______________________________________________ > blindtlk mailing list > blindtlk at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindtlk_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > blindtlk: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindtlk_nfbnet.org/dandrews%40visi.com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com > -- Ryan L. Silveira From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 19:35:20 2014 From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 13:35:20 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone want to try this app? Message-ID: Hi all, I just heard about a really neat and very useful app. It's called CamCard. If you receive a business card from someone, you open up the app and take a photo of the card. You can then add the information to your card holder. When you access a particular card, it's just like accessing someone from your contacts; you click on the "details" button and it will show the information on the business card. When you click on the number, the phone will call it, just as it would if the person were in your contacts. I'm a little disappointed you can't put the card right in your contacts, but perhaps you can. I don't often receive a lot of business cards, so I figured I'd put this out there for anyone who does. Give it a shot and tell me what you think. I think the app could be really useful for blind and visually impaired people. Since we can't read most business cards we are given, we can scan them and use our phones to read them. Hopefully someone will try it. Let us all know what you think. -- Ryan L. Silveira From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 19:37:02 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 14:37:02 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone want to try this app? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0C974E78-7CAD-48C5-902F-503CE73DB977@gmail.com> This sounds like a really cool app! I'll definitely check it out. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2014, at 2:35 PM, Ryan Silveira wrote: > > Hi all, > > I just heard about a really neat and very useful app. It's called > CamCard. If you receive a business card from someone, you open up the > app and take a photo of the card. You can then add the information to > your card holder. When you access a particular card, it's just like > accessing someone from your contacts; you click on the "details" > button and it will show the information on the business card. When > you click on the number, the phone will call it, just as it would if > the person were in your contacts. I'm a little disappointed you can't > put the card right in your contacts, but perhaps you can. I don't > often receive a lot of business cards, so I figured I'd put this out > there for anyone who does. Give it a shot and tell me what you think. > I think the app could be really useful for blind and visually > impaired people. Since we can't read most business cards we are > given, we can scan them and use our phones to read them. Hopefully > someone will try it. Let us all know what you think. > > -- > Ryan L. Silveira > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com From sjhhirst at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 21:33:46 2014 From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 15:33:46 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] STEM empowerment summit Message-ID: *STEM Empowerment Workshop for High School and College Students* The Empowering Blind Students in Science and Engineering workshop is now accepting applications. Approximately fifteen high school and college students will be selected to participate in a two-day, expenses-paid mentoring and empowerment workshop. Students will spend one-on-one time with successful blind professionals and network with STEM industry leaders. Participants will learn accessibility tricks for STEM, advocacy and professional development skills, and have fun with peers and professionals pursuing similar careers. Learn more on our Web site at http://ebsse.cs.washington.edu/ and apply today. In the field of observation, chance favors only the prepared mind. ~Louis Pasteur, lecture 1854 From ligne14 at verizon.net Thu Jan 30 21:50:33 2014 From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 16:50:33 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs-List guidelines (please read) Message-ID: <0N0800G22I0N5C80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Hi Mary and anybody else who knows, I just want to know, what would happen to people who don't follow the guidlines and have been caught and or reported. Would they just get a warning, or also get banned or suspended? If they are banned, would it be permanent or only temporary? I doubt that I will be breaking these guidlines but I'm just curious. Finally, Thanks, Sami. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mary Fernandez References: <0N0800G22I0N5C80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> Message-ID: <508B7228-E6B1-4F12-AC61-5D1A7ED868F3@me.com> I would like to know this as well. Thanks. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:50 PM, sami osborne wrote: > Hi Mary and anybody else who knows, > > I just want to know, what would happen to people who don't follow the guidlines and have been caught and or reported. Would they just get a warning, or also get banned or suspended? > If they are banned, would it be permanent or only temporary? > > I doubt that I will be breaking these guidlines but I'm just curious. > Finally, Thanks, > > Sami. > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Mary Fernandez To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Date sent: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:59:59 -0500 > Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs-List guidelines (please read) > > All, > I hope your week has been going well, and you are ready for the weekend! > Below I will paste the NABS List guidelines which everyone should keep > in mind when posting to the list. Please read them, so we can insure > everyone has a welcomed, and enjoyable experience. Never hesitate to > contact me, off list, if there is a problem. > Thank you. > Your list moderator > NABS List Guidelines > > 1. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our > opinions. Which in turns, means that we will inevitably disagree. > However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is > entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and degrading > comments will not be tolerated. > 2. All posts must be appropriate. The Listserv is opened to students > of all ages, from middle school to post graduate, it is also opened to > blindness professionals and other interested parties. Thus, when > posting on the listserv remember to use the appropriate language. > Profanity is not appropriate. Furthermore, the content should be well > thought out. > 3. In the last year, many people have taken to posting one liners to > the list. This habit creates unnecessary clutter. Often, there are > several threads going on at once, and one might feel compel to answer > to each of those individually. When this happens, please make sure > that your post says more than, "I agree" or "good idea". When > responding to a post, please make sure that there is actual substance > to that post, which will further the conversation. To go along with > that, when someone expresses a differing opinion, and you have already > voiced your thought, please do not send repeated posts on how you > stand by your opinion unless you have more to add to that. Threads > that grow into the 70s and 80s in posts, should not be half made up of > "that's what I think, like I said before", and "I stand by what I said > earlier". Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the > conversation. > 4. When you would like to write someone off list, do so. You do not > have to write one liners to every person you'd like to email off list. > If you develop a conversation with that person, that's great, if they > feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. > 5. Stay on topic. There are many times when informational emails are > sent out to the list for distribution, these often include, but are > not limited to: survey, announcements, ads, etc. If you have a moral > objection to said informational emails, and it is relevant to blind > students, please start a new thread. A lot of times people are so > overwhelmed by the response to a particular informational email, that > they cannot find the original post, and so someone who might benefit > from it has difficulty getting at the information. > 6. Finally, if at any point Mr. Whalen, who is the NABS President, Mr. > David Andrews, who is the master for all NFB-net listservs, or myself, > say that it is not ok to continue a thread, that thread should stop. > Feel free to email us telling us why you think it should continue if > you think it should and we will be more than happy to listen. > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver > izon.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 22:02:51 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:02:51 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use Message-ID: Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do some of you have a link of a site, where I can learn vocabulary terms with their definition that Lawyers use in their job, since I'm studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to familiarize myself with them? Just to let you know, since my first language is Spanish, and not English, I would like to learn vocabulary words. I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! ;) in order for me to get familiar with them, since Sent from my iPhone From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Thu Jan 30 22:44:14 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:44:14 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <004c01cf1e0c$cdc4eeb0$694ecc10$@gmail.com> Have you joined the blind lawyers list? They may be able to help you. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:03 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do some of you have a link of a site, where I can learn vocabulary terms with their definition that Lawyers use in their job, since I'm studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to familiarize myself with them? Just to let you know, since my first language is Spanish, and not English, I would like to learn vocabulary words. I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! ;) in order for me to get familiar with them, since Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 00:19:34 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 17:19:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs-List guidelines (please read) In-Reply-To: <508B7228-E6B1-4F12-AC61-5D1A7ED868F3@me.com> References: <0N0800G22I0N5C80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> <508B7228-E6B1-4F12-AC61-5D1A7ED868F3@me.com> Message-ID: Hi all, I am not the list moderator, but was a long time ago, and I don't think much has changed. So I'll take a stab at answering this. Mary or Dave, feel free to chime in if anything I say is no longer the case. Generally if someone violates the list rules, that person will receive a warning or, if it is several people doing it, there will be a general reminder from the list moderator to follow the guidelines. If someone is being very disruptive (e.g. using profanity, making personal attacks against other list members or posting spam to the list) that person may be placed on moderated status, which means their messages will go to David Andrews who must approve them before they get posted to the list. Moderation is usually temporary and I know Dave does not like doing it much because it creates a great deal more work for him. I think David is the only one who has the authority to ban someone from the list permanently. I have seen him do it but it is a rare event. I think that generally the NABS list is pretty loose with regard to rules. The main prohibition is against making personal attacks or posting inflammatory messages. The guidelines about staying on-topic and avoiding one-line messages are in place so the list doesn't become so high-traffic that people get annoyed and leave. Best, Arielle On 1/30/14, Matthew Dierckens wrote: > I would like to know this as well. > Thanks. :) > Matthew Dierckens > Macintosh Trainer > Blind Access Training > www.blindaccesstraining.com > 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4 > > > > > On Jan 30, 2014, at 4:50 PM, sami osborne wrote: > >> Hi Mary and anybody else who knows, >> >> I just want to know, what would happen to people who don't follow the >> guidlines and have been caught and or reported. Would they just get a >> warning, or also get banned or suspended? >> If they are banned, would it be permanent or only temporary? >> >> I doubt that I will be breaking these guidlines but I'm just curious. >> Finally, Thanks, >> >> Sami. >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Mary Fernandez > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list >> > Date sent: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 23:59:59 -0500 >> Subject: [nabs-l] Nabs-List guidelines (please read) >> >> All, >> I hope your week has been going well, and you are ready for the weekend! >> Below I will paste the NABS List guidelines which everyone should keep >> in mind when posting to the list. Please read them, so we can insure >> everyone has a welcomed, and enjoyable experience. Never hesitate to >> contact me, off list, if there is a problem. >> Thank you. >> Your list moderator >> NABS List Guidelines >> >> 1. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our >> opinions. Which in turns, means that we will inevitably disagree. >> However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is >> entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and degrading >> comments will not be tolerated. >> 2. All posts must be appropriate. The Listserv is opened to students >> of all ages, from middle school to post graduate, it is also opened to >> blindness professionals and other interested parties. Thus, when >> posting on the listserv remember to use the appropriate language. >> Profanity is not appropriate. Furthermore, the content should be well >> thought out. >> 3. In the last year, many people have taken to posting one liners to >> the list. This habit creates unnecessary clutter. Often, there are >> several threads going on at once, and one might feel compel to answer >> to each of those individually. When this happens, please make sure >> that your post says more than, "I agree" or "good idea". When >> responding to a post, please make sure that there is actual substance >> to that post, which will further the conversation. To go along with >> that, when someone expresses a differing opinion, and you have already >> voiced your thought, please do not send repeated posts on how you >> stand by your opinion unless you have more to add to that. Threads >> that grow into the 70s and 80s in posts, should not be half made up of >> "that's what I think, like I said before", and "I stand by what I said >> earlier". Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the >> conversation. >> 4. When you would like to write someone off list, do so. You do not >> have to write one liners to every person you'd like to email off list. >> If you develop a conversation with that person, that's great, if they >> feel they do not want to respond that is their right too. >> 5. Stay on topic. There are many times when informational emails are >> sent out to the list for distribution, these often include, but are >> not limited to: survey, announcements, ads, etc. If you have a moral >> objection to said informational emails, and it is relevant to blind >> students, please start a new thread. A lot of times people are so >> overwhelmed by the response to a particular informational email, that >> they cannot find the original post, and so someone who might benefit >> from it has difficulty getting at the information. >> 6. Finally, if at any point Mr. Whalen, who is the NABS President, Mr. >> David Andrews, who is the master for all NFB-net listservs, or myself, >> say that it is not ok to continue a thread, that thread should stop. >> Feel free to email us telling us why you think it should continue if >> you think it should and we will be more than happy to listen. >> >> >> -- >> Mary Fernandez >> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will >> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them >> feel." >> -- >> Maya Angelou >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ligne14%40ver >> izon.net >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From jsoro620 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 01:49:50 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 20:49:50 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Message-ID: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> Hello, There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a certification in special education. The student has been told they would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect that placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Fri Jan 31 02:34:27 2014 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:34:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Joe, I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, will be graduating next spring. When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with mixed abilities. I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an example of what might be needed? Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or not sometimes that includes your superiors. I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. Regards, Bridget Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: > > Hello, > > > > There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a > certification in special education. The student has been told they would be > better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher > or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's > vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with general > special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. > Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special > accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain > observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or > otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of > career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a > hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect that > placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when the > student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student should > not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the > student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From jsoro620 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 03:08:53 2014 From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:08:53 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things like being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How would a blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How would a blind person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other blind students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification but have been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career paths. I hope this provides a little more background. Thanks for the feedback. I think you're right that the individual needs to engage in a little more self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier recommended than carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little hell, but barring that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate or make some specific suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Hi Joe, I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, will be graduating next spring. When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with mixed abilities. I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an example of what might be needed? Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or not sometimes that includes your superiors. I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. Regards, Bridget Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: > > Hello, > > > > There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a > certification in special education. The student has been told they > would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision > itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor > in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would > rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. > Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special > accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain > observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or > otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type > of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student > is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally > incorrect that placements in general special education classes > suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are > blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for > the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c om From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 03:22:04 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:22:04 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <000f01cf1e33$9df02480$d9d06d80$@gmail.com> A teachers aid could be one solution, but otherwise, yes it is illegal. We just have to figure out ways the the young lady can do the job. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joe Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 10:09 PM To: 'NATIONAL ASSOCIATION OF BLIND STUDENTS' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things like being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How would a blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How would a blind person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other blind students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification but have been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career paths. I hope this provides a little more background. Thanks for the feedback. I think you're right that the individual needs to engage in a little more self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier recommended than carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little hell, but barring that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate or make some specific suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog -----Original Message----- From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Hi Joe, I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, will be graduating next spring. When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with mixed abilities. I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an example of what might be needed? Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or not sometimes that includes your superiors. I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. I hope this helps. Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. Regards, Bridget Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: > > Hello, > > > > There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a > certification in special education. The student has been told they > would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision > itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor > in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would > rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age > students with behavioral disorders. > Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special > accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain > observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or > otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type > of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student > is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally > incorrect that placements in general special education classes > suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are > blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for > the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 31 03:26:54 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:26:54 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use In-Reply-To: <004c01cf1e0c$cdc4eeb0$694ecc10$@gmail.com> References: <004c01cf1e0c$cdc4eeb0$694ecc10$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7DCF80DF-DE0A-4378-ABBB-EF6F1164E841@fuse.net> I think there is also a Spanish list. They may be able to help with sources in bth languages. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 30, 2014, at 5:44 PM, "justin williams" wrote: > > Have you joined the blind lawyers list? They may be able to help you. > > -----Original Message----- > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 5:03 PM > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org > Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use > > > > Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do some > of you have a link of a site, where I can learn vocabulary terms with their > definition that Lawyers use in their job, since I'm studying in order to > become a Lawyer, and I would like to familiarize myself with them? Just to > let you know, since my first language is Spanish, and not English, I would > like to learn vocabulary words. I will really appreciate it, if you could > help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you > soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! ;) in order for me to get familiar > with them, since Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail > .com > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com Fri Jan 31 03:36:46 2014 From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 22:36:46 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> Message-ID: I understand, it's hard to know for sure just what someone is going through first hand. In most every special ed setting there is at least one teachers assistant and depending on the students some students can have shared or one on one aids. These individuals are trained to handle the major health and medical needs of the student. That is not to say the teacher is not required to know first aid and CPR. She will know what kids are in her classroom and what their medical needs are. If the needs are bad enough the student will have a one on one care attendant. For example if a student has epilepsy and his seizures are active the one on one will care for that child's seizures. With that said the teacher will have to be trained in how to manage the type of seizure the student has just in case. I hope this helps Bridget Sent from my iPad > On Jan 30, 2014, at 10:08 PM, "Joe" wrote: > > Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is > secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things like > being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How would a > blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How would a blind > person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? > It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other blind > students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. > Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification but have > been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career paths. I hope > this provides a little more background. Thanks for the feedback. I think > you're right that the individual needs to engage in a little more > self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier recommended than > carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little hell, but barring > that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate or make some specific > suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. > > -- > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > Visit my blog: > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification > > Hi Joe, > > I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed > right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and > severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, > will be graduating next spring. > When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new > placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there > has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with > mixed abilities. > I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in > a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an > example of what might be needed? > Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on > in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out > there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. > Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. > Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without > vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or > not sometimes that includes your superiors. > I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to > go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. > I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different > then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act > out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are > blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. > > Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is > doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. > I hope this helps. > Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. > Regards, > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a >> certification in special education. The student has been told they >> would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision >> itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor >> in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would >> rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students > with behavioral disorders. >> Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special >> accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain >> observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or >> otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type >> of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student >> is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally >> incorrect that placements in general special education classes >> suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are >> blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for >> the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, > advice and referrals would be welcomed. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >> >> >> Visit my blog: >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com From NMPBRAT at aol.com Fri Jan 31 04:08:32 2014 From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 23:08:32 -0500 (EST) Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Message-ID: <4536c.4f04209.401c7bc0@aol.com> Hi, I'm not sure how much help I can be...but I will try. First, and probably my best, suggestion is to post this message to the NOBE listserv....this is the listserv for educators. Although you may find assistance here....I think you may also have luck on that listserv too. I, myself, have a Bachelors and Masters in Special Education and am currently teaching in Ohio. I have taught for 12 years, working with students with a variety of disabilities...more on the Mild to Moderate range....in fact, that's my actual area....Mild/Moderate Intervention Specialist. I have actually worked with students with learning disabilities, higher cognitive disabilities, ADHD, ODD, Autism, some behavioral/mental health disorders, hearing impairment, vision impairment, orthopedic impairments, etc. Now, I will state that I am legally blind, so I have some usable vision (I'm around 20/200 range)....so some of my techniques may not be the same as someone who is totally blind. That, however, doesn't mean they can't do it though...it's just different. A short little tidbit about my journey though....when I was looking at colleges and deciding what I wanted to pursue, my vocational rehab counselor told me that teaching wasn't a "blind friendly field" and that if I pursued it, I would be making a huge mistake. Needless to say, I didn't listen to him....course, I've never been afraid to take the road less traveled. I have also proved him and many others that it is possible.....with lots of work....and some advocacy on my part. Just a couple quick things on working with students. 1. It is amazing how much behavior management can be done just with hearing. I have had multiple students "test" me over the years, thinking I would not be able to see what they were doing. And in some cases, they were right...I couldn't see what they were doing....but I was always able to catch them just by listening. They soon realize that when you can catch them doing things without even seeing them, their perspective and behavior changes. 2. When dealing with academic work.....when I have difficulty seeing what they are doing...I use questioning as a technique to determine if they are doing things correctly. If you are able to ask them to talk through what they are doing....or ask them very specific questions that will give you feedback as to whether they understand a concept, you don't necessarily need to "see" their work. 3. In terms of medical emergencies....that is hard to say because every medical emergency is different. For example, if a student faints lets say...the other kids, simply out of shock or surprise are going to inform you of it....its their natural tendency. You can develop a classroom atmosphere that creates good communication between you and the students. If you develop an atmosphere where you teach the students to care about one another, they can be your eyes. Once you know about the emergency, there are ways to deal with each situation. These are just some thoughts off the top of my head. If I think of more, I will pass them along. Like I said, the other listserv would probably be helpful too. If you have further questions, feel free to email me off list as well. Nicole In a message dated 1/30/2014 8:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, jsoro620 at gmail.com writes: Hello, There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a certification in special education. The student has been told they would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral disorders. Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect that placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. Thanks in advance. -- Twitter: @ScribblingJoe Visit my blog: http://joeorozco.com/blog _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com From arielle71 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 04:30:50 2014 From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 21:30:50 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <4536c.4f04209.401c7bc0@aol.com> References: <4536c.4f04209.401c7bc0@aol.com> Message-ID: A blind person can definitely learn and apply first aid and CPR intervention to someone in an emergency situation, and call for trained nurses, paramedics, etc. depending on the type of event. As for academic work checking, if a student is high enough functioning to be doing written work of some kind, they should be able to verbally communicate their process to the blind teacher and respond to pointed questions. As for dealing with a violent child, a blind teacher might not be able to anticipate the exact timing of the punch, but, I imagine, could learn to tune in to signs that a child is getting wound up. In addition to the National Organization of Blind Educators list, I would suggest that perhaps your friend should talk to the directors of our training centers, who are all blind and have worked with youth and adult students at the centers with various disabilities. Even though those students are blind, many of the techniques for working with multi-disabled students should also apply to working with sighted multi-disabled students. The bottom line is that the certification programs' actions are illegal and the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that a blind person cannot accomplish the required tasks. If a blind person can teach multi-disabled students at a school for the blind, they can teach those students in any school setting. Arielle On 1/30/14, NMPBRAT at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I'm not sure how much help I can be...but I will try. > First, and probably my best, suggestion is to post this message to the NOBE > > listserv....this is the listserv for educators. Although you may find > assistance here....I think you may also have luck on that listserv too. > > I, myself, have a Bachelors and Masters in Special Education and am > currently teaching in Ohio. I have taught for 12 years, working with > students > with a variety of disabilities...more on the Mild to Moderate range....in > fact, that's my actual area....Mild/Moderate Intervention Specialist. I > have > actually worked with students with learning disabilities, higher cognitive > > disabilities, ADHD, ODD, Autism, some behavioral/mental health disorders, > hearing impairment, vision impairment, orthopedic impairments, etc. > Now, I will state that I am legally blind, so I have some usable vision > (I'm around 20/200 range)....so some of my techniques may not be the same as > > someone who is totally blind. That, however, doesn't mean they can't do it > > though...it's just different. A short little tidbit about my journey > though....when I was looking at colleges and deciding what I wanted to > pursue, > my vocational rehab counselor told me that teaching wasn't a "blind > friendly field" and that if I pursued it, I would be making a huge mistake. > > Needless to say, I didn't listen to him....course, I've never been afraid to > > take the road less traveled. I have also proved him and many others that > it > is possible.....with lots of work....and some advocacy on my part. > > Just a couple quick things on working with students. > 1. It is amazing how much behavior management can be done just with > hearing. I have had multiple students "test" me over the years, thinking I > > would not be able to see what they were doing. And in some cases, they > were > right...I couldn't see what they were doing....but I was always able to > catch > them just by listening. They soon realize that when you can catch them > doing things without even seeing them, their perspective and behavior > changes. > > 2. When dealing with academic work.....when I have difficulty seeing what > > they are doing...I use questioning as a technique to determine if they are > > doing things correctly. If you are able to ask them to talk through what > they are doing....or ask them very specific questions that will give you > feedback as to whether they understand a concept, you don't necessarily need > > to "see" their work. > > 3. In terms of medical emergencies....that is hard to say because every > medical emergency is different. For example, if a student faints lets > say...the other kids, simply out of shock or surprise are going to inform > you of > it....its their natural tendency. You can develop a classroom atmosphere > that creates good communication between you and the students. If you > develop an atmosphere where you teach the students to care about one > another, > they can be your eyes. Once you know about the emergency, there are ways > to > deal with each situation. > > These are just some thoughts off the top of my head. If I think of more, > I will pass them along. Like I said, the other listserv would probably be > > helpful too. > > If you have further questions, feel free to email me off list as well. > > Nicole > > > > In a message dated 1/30/2014 8:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jsoro620 at gmail.com writes: > > Hello, > > > > There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a > certification in special education. The student has been told they would > be > better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision itinerant teacher > or using the credentials they have to be a counselor in the state's > vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would rather work with > general > special ed, specifically elementary-age students with behavioral > disorders. > Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special > accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain > observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or > otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type of > career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student is a > hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally incorrect > that > placements in general special education classes suddenly disappear when > the > student informs the coordinators they are blind. Further, the student > should > not be sent to a state school for the blind by default just because the > student is blind. Any thoughts, advice and referrals would be welcomed. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com > From justin.williams2 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 04:35:59 2014 From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams) Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 23:35:59 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: References: <4536c.4f04209.401c7bc0@aol.com> Message-ID: <000701cf1e3d$f15a9ec0$d40fdc40$@gmail.com> Most sighted people can't time the punch either. I have hit enough of them to know. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 11:31 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification A blind person can definitely learn and apply first aid and CPR intervention to someone in an emergency situation, and call for trained nurses, paramedics, etc. depending on the type of event. As for academic work checking, if a student is high enough functioning to be doing written work of some kind, they should be able to verbally communicate their process to the blind teacher and respond to pointed questions. As for dealing with a violent child, a blind teacher might not be able to anticipate the exact timing of the punch, but, I imagine, could learn to tune in to signs that a child is getting wound up. In addition to the National Organization of Blind Educators list, I would suggest that perhaps your friend should talk to the directors of our training centers, who are all blind and have worked with youth and adult students at the centers with various disabilities. Even though those students are blind, many of the techniques for working with multi-disabled students should also apply to working with sighted multi-disabled students. The bottom line is that the certification programs' actions are illegal and the burden of proof is on them to demonstrate that a blind person cannot accomplish the required tasks. If a blind person can teach multi-disabled students at a school for the blind, they can teach those students in any school setting. Arielle On 1/30/14, NMPBRAT at aol.com wrote: > > Hi, > I'm not sure how much help I can be...but I will try. > First, and probably my best, suggestion is to post this message to the > NOBE > > listserv....this is the listserv for educators. Although you may > find assistance here....I think you may also have luck on that listserv too. > > I, myself, have a Bachelors and Masters in Special Education and am > currently teaching in Ohio. I have taught for 12 years, working with > students with a variety of disabilities...more on the Mild to Moderate > range....in fact, that's my actual area....Mild/Moderate Intervention > Specialist. I have actually worked with students with learning > disabilities, higher cognitive > > disabilities, ADHD, ODD, Autism, some behavioral/mental health > disorders, hearing impairment, vision impairment, orthopedic impairments, etc. > Now, I will state that I am legally blind, so I have some usable > vision (I'm around 20/200 range)....so some of my techniques may not > be the same as > > someone who is totally blind. That, however, doesn't mean they can't > do it > > though...it's just different. A short little tidbit about my journey > though....when I was looking at colleges and deciding what I wanted to > pursue, my vocational rehab counselor told me that teaching wasn't a > "blind friendly field" and that if I pursued it, I would be making a > huge mistake. > > Needless to say, I didn't listen to him....course, I've never been > afraid to > > take the road less traveled. I have also proved him and many others > that it is possible.....with lots of work....and some advocacy on my > part. > > Just a couple quick things on working with students. > 1. It is amazing how much behavior management can be done just with > hearing. I have had multiple students "test" me over the years, > thinking I > > would not be able to see what they were doing. And in some cases, > they were right...I couldn't see what they were doing....but I was > always able to catch them just by listening. They soon realize that > when you can catch them doing things without even seeing them, their > perspective and behavior changes. > > 2. When dealing with academic work.....when I have difficulty seeing > what > > they are doing...I use questioning as a technique to determine if they > are > > doing things correctly. If you are able to ask them to talk through > what they are doing....or ask them very specific questions that will > give you feedback as to whether they understand a concept, you don't > necessarily need > > to "see" their work. > > 3. In terms of medical emergencies....that is hard to say because > every medical emergency is different. For example, if a student > faints lets say...the other kids, simply out of shock or surprise are > going to inform you of it....its their natural tendency. You can > develop a classroom atmosphere > that creates good communication between you and the students. If you > develop an atmosphere where you teach the students to care about one > another, they can be your eyes. Once you know about the emergency, > there are ways to deal with each situation. > > These are just some thoughts off the top of my head. If I think of > more, I will pass them along. Like I said, the other listserv would > probably be > > helpful too. > > If you have further questions, feel free to email me off list as well. > > Nicole > > > > In a message dated 1/30/2014 8:50:15 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, > jsoro620 at gmail.com writes: > > Hello, > > > > There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a > certification in special education. The student has been told they > would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision > itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a > counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student > would rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age > students with behavioral disorders. > Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special > accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain > observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or > otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type > of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The > student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and > legally incorrect that placements in general special education classes > suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are > blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for > the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, > advice and referrals would be welcomed. > Thanks in advance. > > > > -- > > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > > > Visit my blog: > > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/nmpbrat%40aol.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail. > com > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From theweird1 at mediacombb.net Fri Jan 31 08:20:45 2014 From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 02:20:45 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002a01cf1e5d$57342260$059c6720$@mediacombb.net> You might also try getting a copy of "Black's law dictionary". Also, I have found many of them by just typing them in to google. Loren -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 4:03 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Vocabulary Terms that Lawyers Use Hi guys, this is Helga! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do some of you have a link of a site, where I can learn vocabulary terms with their definition that Lawyers use in their job, since I'm studying in order to become a Lawyer, and I would like to familiarize myself with them? Just to let you know, since my first language is Spanish, and not English, I would like to learn vocabulary words. I will really appreciate it, if you could help me, and give me some suggestions regarding this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! ;) in order for me to get familiar with them, since Sent from my iPhone _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediacombb.n et From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Fri Jan 31 12:14:07 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 05:14:07 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52EB938F.6020504@comcast.net> Speaking of people that do one thing and end up in another thing, I tried social work, but was discouraged by doctors, psychologists who were low quality, and Rehab. They said it was because of a mental health issue. But here's the catch: the mental health counselor said I was "pretending to be Arab" at the time when I was wearing a Muslim veil in his office. What a discriminatory person I say. As far as special ed certification, such a question should not be asked can the blind student avoid a student who's going to punch them. If they are injured, so whawt? Everybody gets injured. Give that certification to my boyfriend, who has a black belt in tai kwon do, and he'd do what he could to avoid his "opponent." I don't know how to help this person, but it seems everybody doesn't want blind people to pursue their dreams and they'll find any weakness or excuse not to do so. Beth On 1/30/2014 8:08 PM, Joe wrote: > Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is > secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things like > being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How would a > blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How would a blind > person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? > It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other blind > students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. > Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification but have > been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career paths. I hope > this provides a little more background. Thanks for the feedback. I think > you're right that the individual needs to engage in a little more > self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier recommended than > carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little hell, but barring > that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate or make some specific > suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. > > -- > Twitter: @ScribblingJoe > > Visit my blog: > http://joeorozco.com/blog > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM > To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification > > Hi Joe, > > I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed > right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and > severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, > will be graduating next spring. > When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new > placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there > has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with > mixed abilities. > I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in > a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an > example of what might be needed? > Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on > in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out > there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. > Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. > Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without > vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or > not sometimes that includes your superiors. > I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to > go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. > I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different > then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act > out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are > blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. > > Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is > doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. > I hope this helps. > Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. > Regards, > Bridget > > Sent from my iPad > >> On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> >> There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a >> certification in special education. The student has been told they >> would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision >> itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor >> in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would >> rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students > with behavioral disorders. >> Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special >> accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain >> observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or >> otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type >> of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student >> is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally >> incorrect that placements in general special education classes >> suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are >> blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for >> the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, > advice and referrals would be welcomed. >> Thanks in advance. >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >> >> >> Visit my blog: >> >> http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c > om > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Jan 31 12:45:23 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:45:23 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification In-Reply-To: <52EB938F.6020504@comcast.net> References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> <52EB938F.6020504@comcast.net> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140131044357.0211c878@comcast.net> Good morning, Beth, Welcome to blindness, sister! If you think us actually seamlessly driving will be any different, it's high time for a reality check! for today, Car 408-209-3239 At 04:14 AM 1/31/2014, Beth Taurasi wrote: >Speaking of people that do one thing and end up in another thing, I >tried social work, but was discouraged by doctors, psychologists who >were low quality, and Rehab. They said it was because of a mental >health issue. But here's the catch: the mental health counselor >said I was "pretending to be Arab" at the time when I was wearing a >Muslim veil in his office. What a discriminatory person I say. As >far as special ed certification, such a question should not be asked >can the blind student avoid a student who's going to punch them. If >they are injured, so whawt? Everybody gets injured. Give that >certification to my boyfriend, who has a black belt in tai kwon do, >and he'd do what he could to avoid his "opponent." I don't know how >to help this person, but it seems everybody doesn't want blind >people to pursue their dreams and they'll find any weakness or >excuse not to do so. >Beth > >On 1/30/2014 8:08 PM, Joe wrote: >>Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is >>secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things like >>being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How would a >>blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How would a blind >>person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? >>It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other blind >>students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. >>Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification but have >>been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career paths. I hope >>this provides a little more background. Thanks for the feedback. I think >>you're right that the individual needs to engage in a little more >>self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier recommended than >>carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little hell, but barring >>that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate or make some specific >>suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. >> >>-- >>Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >>Visit my blog: >>http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] >>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM >>To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification >> >>Hi Joe, >> >>I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English Ed >>right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple and >>severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad level but, >>will be graduating next spring. >>When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a new >>placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class but, there >>has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted students with >>mixed abilities. >>I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation accommodations in >>a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding you. Can you give me an >>example of what might be needed? >>Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be going on >>in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management techniques out >>there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. >>Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. >>Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher without >>vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and believe it or >>not sometimes that includes your superiors. >>I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for her to >>go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. >>I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no different >>then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are not going to act >>out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially if they know they are >>blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. >> >>Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what she is >>doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. >>I hope this helps. >>Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. >>Regards, >>Bridget >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>>On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>>There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a >>>certification in special education. The student has been told they >>>would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision >>>itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a counselor >>>in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The student would >>>rather work with general special ed, specifically elementary-age students >>with behavioral disorders. >>>Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special >>>accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain >>>observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or >>>otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type >>>of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The student >>>is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and legally >>>incorrect that placements in general special education classes >>>suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators they are >>>blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state school for >>>the blind by default just because the student is blind. Any thoughts, >>advice and referrals would be welcomed. >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>> >>> >>> >>>Visit my blog: >>> >>>http://joeorozco.com/blog >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.c >>om >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 12:50:43 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:50:43 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn Message-ID: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> Good Morning Everyone, My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with this would be appreciated. Thanks, Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 12:51:08 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:51:08 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Does this sound good to you? Message-ID: <52eb9c9e.41b3440a.0c4a.02cf@mx.google.com> This is me playing "River Flows in You" on piano, by Yiruma. Does it sound good to you all? Just reply offlist, so as not to clutter the list with unnecessary traffic. Thanks and enjoy! -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: a000236.mp3 Type: application/octet-stream Size: 1321168 bytes Desc: not available URL: From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 12:54:37 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 04:54:37 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn Message-ID: <52eb9d32.858a440a.0278.0bc8@mx.google.com> My English teacher also has us using this site. I use a Braille Note Apex, which is worse then a laptop or any device. (Sorry for any Apex lovers, but I hate converting a 30 minute video for class from youtube) You should be just fine, but if you need any help, feel free to let me know. I won't mind helping. It's pretty straightforward. ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Nusbaum References: <000601cf1e26$bac69240$3053b6c0$@gmail.com> <004001cf1e31$c5b8d810$512a8830$@gmail.com> <52EB938F.6020504@comcast.net> <7.0.1.0.2.20140131044357.0211c878@comcast.net> Message-ID: <00f901cf1e87$0d7a97b0$286fc710$@gmail.com> Yeah, it si tough; it's good to have more than one option, or be okya to moving to another location or some such like that. You can spend years banging your head against a brick wall and waist valuable career time in the wrong location. -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 7:45 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification Good morning, Beth, Welcome to blindness, sister! If you think us actually seamlessly driving will be any different, it's high time for a reality check! for today, Car 408-209-3239 At 04:14 AM 1/31/2014, Beth Taurasi wrote: >Speaking of people that do one thing and end up in another thing, I >tried social work, but was discouraged by doctors, psychologists who >were low quality, and Rehab. They said it was because of a mental >health issue. But here's the catch: the mental health counselor said I >was "pretending to be Arab" at the time when I was wearing a Muslim >veil in his office. What a discriminatory person I say. As far as >special ed certification, such a question should not be asked can the >blind student avoid a student who's going to punch them. If they are >injured, so whawt? Everybody gets injured. Give that certification to >my boyfriend, who has a black belt in tai kwon do, and he'd do what he >could to avoid his "opponent." I don't know how to help this person, >but it seems everybody doesn't want blind people to pursue their dreams >and they'll find any weakness or excuse not to do so. >Beth > >On 1/30/2014 8:08 PM, Joe wrote: >>Hi, what makes this difficult is that the information I'm getting is >>secondhand. The observations, as far as I understand them, are things >>like being able to correct an academic error as it is happening. How >>would a blind student avoid a child who is about to punch them? How >>would a blind person be able to assist if the child, for example, has a medical emergency? >>It's not vocational rehab that is suggesting this person teach other >>blind students. It's the certification programs at two separate universities. >>Apparently blind students in Texas have tried to gain certification >>but have been unsuccessful and have instead wound up in other career >>paths. I hope this provides a little more background. Thanks for the >>feedback. I think you're right that the individual needs to engage in >>a little more self-advocacy, but this is a case where that is easier >>recommended than carried out. If I were down there, I'd raise a little >>hell, but barring that, I'm hoping to either recommend a good advocate >>or make some specific suggestions to try to help the individual. Thanks again. >> >>-- >>Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >> >>Visit my blog: >>http://joeorozco.com/blog >> >> >>-----Original Message----- >>From: Bridget Walker [mailto:bridgetawalker13 at aol.com] >>Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2014 9:34 PM >>To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing >>list >>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Special Ed Certification >> >>Hi Joe, >> >>I'm working on my certification in adolescent special ed and English >>Ed right now. I am specializing in working with students with multiple >>and severe disabilities. I can tell you I am still at the undergrad >>level but, will be graduating next spring. >>When I complete my field hours it is tough. I am just about to start a >>new placement in a public high school in a mainstream English class >>but, there has been debate if I can really handle working with sighted >>students with mixed abilities. >>I can't say there is much needed in regards to observation >>accommodations in a field placement. Perhaps I am misunderstanding >>you. Can you give me an example of what might be needed? >>Is the school concerned this individual will not know what will be >>going on in the classroom? There are all kinds of classroom management >>techniques out there. This is again another place where an explanation may be needed. >>Your friend has to go in strong not coke and show she has the education. >>Sometimes it helps to explain some techniques you use as a teacher >>without vision. After all you are a teacher your job is to educate and >>believe it or not sometimes that includes your superiors. >>I think it is ironic the state vocational rehab agency is saying for >>her to go to a school for the blind to teach or become a councilor. >>I did some field placements at a school for the blind and it is no >>different then regular education. Do they really think blind kids are >>not going to act out and pull stuff over on there teachers especially >>if they know they are blind? I really think it is easier to teach sighted kids but that's just me. >> >>Vocational rehab can not tell her what to do clearly she knows what >>she is doing with a 4.0 GPA. Keep fighting. >>I hope this helps. >>Please feel free to contact me if you have any more questions. >>Regards, >>Bridget >> >>Sent from my iPad >> >>>On Jan 30, 2014, at 8:49 PM, "Joe" wrote: >>> >>>Hello, >>> >>> >>> >>>There's a student in Texas who is having difficulty obtaining a >>>certification in special education. The student has been told they >>>would be better off pursuing a second Master's to become a vision >>>itinerant teacher or using the credentials they have to be a >>>counselor in the state's vocational rehabilitation agency. The >>>student would rather work with general special ed, specifically >>>elementary-age students >>with behavioral disorders. >>>Unfortunately, there are a lot of concerns about making special >>>accommodations and the student's independent ability to make certain >>>observations. Now, I have zero experience in education, special or >>>otherwise. Are there people here who have, or are, pursuing this type >>>of career path who could pass along some tips for success? The >>>student is a hard-working 4.0 GPA achiever. It seems generally and >>>legally incorrect that placements in general special education >>>classes suddenly disappear when the student informs the coordinators >>>they are blind. Further, the student should not be sent to a state >>>school for the blind by default just because the student is blind. >>>Any thoughts, >>advice and referrals would be welcomed. >>>Thanks in advance. >>> >>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>Twitter: @ScribblingJoe >>> >>> >>> >>>Visit my blog: >>> >>>http://joeorozco.com/blog >>> >>> >>> >>>_______________________________________________ >>>nabs-l mailing list >>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%4 >>0aol.c >>om >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 >>comcast.net > > >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast. >net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/justin.williams2%40gmail .com From carlymih at comcast.net Fri Jan 31 13:33:04 2014 From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 05:33:04 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> Good morning, Chris, I've had teachers tell me they use this sight to collect assignments and, at the time it was not particularly accessable. I don't know if it has edged toward an accessable state by now, because I don't wanna mess with it, instead just sending in my work the regular way. for today, Car 408-209-3239 Chris Nusbaum wrote: >Good Morning Everyone, > >My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use >TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a >Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. >Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility >issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a >laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with >this would be appreciated. > >Thanks, > >Chris Nusbaum > >Sent from my iPhone >_______________________________________________ >nabs-l mailing list >nabs-l at nfbnet.org >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net From louvins at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 13:40:42 2014 From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 07:40:42 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> Message-ID: Hi to all. During one of my semesters at my local college. I had one instructor use this site to varify that none of us had plagorized our research papers. Since it was only this one instructor, I just had my dad submit my paper to the site for me. It was just a lot quicker. I had written the paper and everything else, I just had my dad submit the paper to the site. On 1/31/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: > Good morning, Chris, > > I've had teachers tell me they use this sight to collect > assignments and, at the time it was not particularly accessable. I > don't know if it has edged toward an accessable state by now, because > I don't wanna mess with it, instead just sending in my work the regular > way. > for today, Car > 408-209-3239 > > > Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>Good Morning Everyone, >> >>My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use >>TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a >>Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. >>Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility >>issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a >>laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with >>this would be appreciated. >> >>Thanks, >> >>Chris Nusbaum >> >>Sent from my iPhone >>_______________________________________________ >>nabs-l mailing list >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com > From denverqueen1107 at comcast.net Fri Jan 31 16:20:34 2014 From: denverqueen1107 at comcast.net (Beth Taurasi) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 09:20:34 -0700 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> Message-ID: <52EBCD52.6080202@comcast.net> I have had no problems with Turitin dot com, if you have questions. I have used Vista and earlier JAWS version with it, but I'm sure you could check it out and see. Maybe if you have questions, you can Skype or call me I can help with all that. Turnitin has a great resource and is a good way to make sure nobody plagiarizes and stuff, so please make this a focal point in what you do with essays. Beth On 1/31/2014 5:50 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Good Morning Everyone, > > My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with this would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40comcast.net > From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 16:32:40 2014 From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:32:40 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> Message-ID: <1F6AD14D-1671-443F-B7BA-5E196622908F@gmail.com> The site sends color coded reports, making it inaccessible. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: > > PHi to all. During one of my semesters at my local college. I had one > instructor use this site to varify that none of us had plagorized our > research papers. Since it was only this one instructor, I just had my > dad submit my paper to the site for me. It was just a lot quicker. I > had written the paper and everything else, I just had my dad submit > the paper to the site. > >> On 1/31/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >> Good morning, Chris, >> >> I've had teachers tell me they use this sight to collect >> assignments and, at the time it was not particularly accessable. I >> don't know if it has edged toward an accessable state by now, because >> I don't wanna mess with it, instead just sending in my work the regular >> way. >> for today, Car >> 408-209-3239 >> >> >> Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>> Good Morning Everyone, >>> >>> My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use >>> TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a >>> Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. >>> Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility >>> issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a >>> laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with >>> this would be appreciated. >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum >>> >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >> nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >> > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com From rbacchus228 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 16:34:20 2014 From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Baccchus) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 11:34:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar Message-ID: <52ebd0c2.4816e00a.40cf.1a4e@mx.google.com> Dear Nabs Members, How was this year's Washington seminar? I hope that the Teach Act gets passed by Congress. I can't wait to hear your responses. From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 18:49:00 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:49:00 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet Message-ID: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> Hello All, Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. Chris Nusbaum Sent from my iPhone From bookwormahb at earthlink.net Fri Jan 31 18:53:05 2014 From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 13:53:05 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar In-Reply-To: <52ebd0c2.4816e00a.40cf.1a4e@mx.google.com> References: <52ebd0c2.4816e00a.40cf.1a4e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: also, was the nabs seminar recorded? -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:34 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar Dear Nabs Members, How was this year's Washington seminar? I hope that the Teach Act gets passed by Congress. I can't wait to hear your responses. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink.net From leonardr.stamper at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 19:25:45 2014 From: leonardr.stamper at gmail.com (Leonard Stamper) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:25:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list Message-ID: Sent from my iPhone hello everyone my name is Leonard Stamper I live in Louisville. Kentucky. I am a junior massage therapist at the Louisville school of massage therapy. I am taking training to be a professional massage therapist. Is there any massage therapist on this list? Also are there any Jr. massage therapist students? I am looking forward to getting to know everyone that I can. And I hope you all will lock getting to know me. Stay warm stay safe and God bless From johnniejduran at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 19:34:10 2014 From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 17:34:10 -0200 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Leonard, My name is Johnnie Jean, but I prefer to be called JJ. I am 14, and I am currently in 8th grade. Great to meet you! On 1/31/14, Leonard Stamper wrote: > > > Sent from my iPhone hello everyone my name is Leonard Stamper I live in > Louisville. Kentucky. I am a junior massage therapist at the Louisville > school of massage therapy. I am taking training to be a professional > massage therapist. Is there any massage therapist on this list? Also are > there any Jr. massage therapist students? I am looking forward to getting > to know everyone that I can. And I hope you all will lock getting to know > me. Stay warm stay safe and God bless > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/johnniejduran%40gmail.com > -- Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran 8th Grade Student O'Connell Middle School - An IB World School Lakewood, Colorado, United States Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO), The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro Chapter of the NFB. Facebook: facebook.com/johnniejean.duran Instagram: jj_duran13 Skype: jj.duran13 Kik: jjd_13 Twitter: jj_duran_13 From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 31 19:38:45 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:38:45 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: <1F6AD14D-1671-443F-B7BA-5E196622908F@gmail.com> References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> <1F6AD14D-1671-443F-B7BA-5E196622908F@gmail.com> Message-ID: I was always able to get my feedback cal. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > > The site sends color coded reports, making it inaccessible. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >> >> PHi to all. During one of my semesters at my local college. I had one >> instructor use this site to varify that none of us had plagorized our >> research papers. Since it was only this one instructor, I just had my >> dad submit my paper to the site for me. It was just a lot quicker. I >> had written the paper and everything else, I just had my dad submit >> the paper to the site. >> >>> On 1/31/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> Good morning, Chris, >>> >>> I've had teachers tell me they use this sight to collect >>> assignments and, at the time it was not particularly accessable. I >>> don't know if it has edged toward an accessable state by now, because >>> I don't wanna mess with it, instead just sending in my work the regular >>> way. >>> for today, Car >>> 408-209-3239 >>> >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Good Morning Everyone, >>>> >>>> My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use >>>> TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a >>>> Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. >>>> Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility >>>> issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a >>>> laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with >>>> this would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From lilliepennington at fuse.net Fri Jan 31 19:59:55 2014 From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 14:59:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> Message-ID: <249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> If the ap does not work, the actual site may, although I do not know for sure. I do know that there is at least one more app that should work and accessible. I do not remember the name but if quizlet does not let me know. Another thing with these apps is that if you are using a textbook you should be able to search for the set and not have to make them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hello All, > > Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net From trillian551 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 20:26:39 2014 From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:26:39 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE Message-ID: Dear all, First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach as far and wide as possible. Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and continue to share it on social media. Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets teach them a lesson. Thanks! http://www.change.org/teachact -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 31 21:11:15 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:11:15 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> <249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> Message-ID: The site does work, but it is not the most accessible site in the world! Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Lillie Pennington wrote: > If the ap does not work, the actual site may, although I do not know for sure. I do know that there is at least one more app that should work and accessible. I do not remember the name but if quizlet does not let me know. > Another thing with these apps is that if you are using a textbook you should be able to search for the set and not have to make them. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: >> >> Hello All, >> >> Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. >> >> Chris Nusbaum >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse.net > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:20:30 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:20:30 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <007b01cf1eca$4558d370$d00a7a50$@gmail.com> Just signed it and tweeted the link. Keep up the good work! Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; David Andrews Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE Dear all, First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach as far and wide as possible. Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and continue to share it on social media. Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets teach them a lesson. Thanks! http://www.change.org/teachact -- Mary Fernandez "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel." -- Maya Angelou _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From treyman19 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:27:25 2014 From: treyman19 at gmail.com (Trey Bradley) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:27:25 -0600 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <75389308-BC23-4605-914B-EC107381DA02@gmail.com> What is this Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > Dear all, > First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and > share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But > that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach > as far and wide as possible. > Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it > easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and > continue to share it on social media. > Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets > teach them a lesson. > Thanks! > > http://www.change.org/teachact > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:33:20 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:33:20 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com> <249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> Message-ID: <008601cf1ecc$103341b0$3099c510$@gmail.com> Lillie, Thank you for the information. I have downloaded the app to my phone and am in the process of playing with it. I'll let you all know of my experiences. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Quizlet If the ap does not work, the actual site may, although I do not know for sure. I do know that there is at least one more app that should work and accessible. I do not remember the name but if quizlet does not let me know. Another thing with these apps is that if you are using a textbook you should be able to search for the set and not have to make them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hello All, > > Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:34:03 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:34:03 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> <7.0.1.0.2.20140131053006.063de860@comcast.net> <1F6AD14D-1671-443F-B7BA-5E196622908F@gmail.com> Message-ID: <008701cf1ecc$29925010$7cb6f030$@gmail.com> Are these reports your grades? Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:39 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TurnItIn I was always able to get my feedback cal. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 11:32 AM, Aleeha Dudley wrote: > > The site sends color coded reports, making it inaccessible. > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Jan 31, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Joshua Hendrickson wrote: >> >> PHi to all. During one of my semesters at my local college. I had >> one instructor use this site to varify that none of us had plagorized >> our research papers. Since it was only this one instructor, I just >> had my dad submit my paper to the site for me. It was just a lot >> quicker. I had written the paper and everything else, I just had my >> dad submit the paper to the site. >> >>> On 1/31/14, Carly Mihalakis wrote: >>> Good morning, Chris, >>> >>> I've had teachers tell me they use this sight to collect >>> assignments and, at the time it was not particularly accessable. I >>> don't know if it has edged toward an accessable state by now, >>> because I don't wanna mess with it, instead just sending in my work >>> the regular way. >>> for today, Car >>> 408-209-3239 >>> >>> >>> Chris Nusbaum wrote: >>>> Good Morning Everyone, >>>> >>>> My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use >>>> TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a >>>> Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. >>>> Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility >>>> issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a >>>> laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with >>>> this would be appreciated. >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Chris Nusbaum >>>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> nabs-l mailing list >>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>>> for >>>> nabs-l: >>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comc >>>> ast.net >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> nabs-l mailing list >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info >>> for >>> nabs-l: >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail. >>> com >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> nabs-l mailing list >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993% >> 40gmail.com > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%4 > 0fuse.net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:38:55 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:38:55 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <008801cf1ecc$d82663f0$88732bd0$@gmail.com> Leonard, Welcome to our list. I hope you find us a helpful and welcoming place to ask any questions you might have. As to your questions about massage therapy, you might contact Rania Ismail of Colorado. She recently graduated from a massage therapy college and has now received her license as a therapist. I'm not sure if she is still on this list, but if she is not I can provide you with her contact info off-list. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Leonard Stamper Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:26 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list Sent from my iPhone hello everyone my name is Leonard Stamper I live in Louisville. Kentucky. I am a junior massage therapist at the Louisville school of massage therapy. I am taking training to be a professional massage therapist. Is there any massage therapist on this list? Also are there any Jr. massage therapist students? I am looking forward to getting to know everyone that I can. And I hope you all will lock getting to know me. Stay warm stay safe and God bless _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:40:27 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:40:27 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE In-Reply-To: <75389308-BC23-4605-914B-EC107381DA02@gmail.com> References: <75389308-BC23-4605-914B-EC107381DA02@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Trey, this is Helga. I just wanted to tell you that this is a petition that will allow visually impaired students to get accessible Softwares in their colleges and universities. This petition is actually very important for the students who are having these issues. And I'm as a college student, I actually sign it! I will really appreciat it a lot!, if you could sign this petition as well!. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Trey Bradley Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:27 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT PETITION UPDATE What is this Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 2:26 PM, Mary Fernandez wrote: > > Dear all, > First, thanks to everyone who has taken a minute to read, sign and > share the petition. A week later we are at 23,775 signatures. But > that's still not enough. We want the impact and information to reach > as far and wide as possible. > Below find the updated URL, which is much shorter, and should make it > easier to share. If you have not done so already, sign it, and > continue to share it on social media. > Thank you, and continue to contact me with any questions, and lets > teach them a lesson. > Thanks! > > http://www.change.org/teachact > > > -- > Mary Fernandez > "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will > forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them > feel." > -- > Maya Angelou > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/treyman19%40gmail.com _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:41:37 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:41:37 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] TurnItIn In-Reply-To: <52EBCD52.6080202@comcast.net> References: <1AECFBC6-FC54-47B0-9E7E-F6EC763B4ACE@gmail.com> <52EBCD52.6080202@comcast.net> Message-ID: <008b01cf1ecd$383dd8e0$a8b98aa0$@gmail.com> Beth, Will do. If I have any questions, I'll give you a ring. Always good to have somebody who knows stuff! LOL! Thanks to all who responded for the information. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:21 AM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] TurnItIn I have had no problems with Turitin dot com, if you have questions. I have used Vista and earlier JAWS version with it, but I'm sure you could check it out and see. Maybe if you have questions, you can Skype or call me I can help with all that. Turnitin has a great resource and is a good way to make sure nobody plagiarizes and stuff, so please make this a focal point in what you do with essays. Beth On 1/31/2014 5:50 AM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > Good Morning Everyone, > > My English teacher (high school) has told us that she will use TurnItIn.com to collect assignments. As I understand it this is a Web site on which students can upload typed assignments for grading. Has anyone used this Web site? If so, what if any accessibility issues have you had with it? I am using Windows 7 and JAWS 14 on a laptop. What about the accessibility of the iOS app? Any help with this would be appreciated. > > Thanks, > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/denverqueen1107%40 > comcast.net > _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:39:21 2014 From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:39:21 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar In-Reply-To: References: <52ebd0c2.4816e00a.40cf.1a4e@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <008901cf1ecc$e77fd570$b67f8050$@gmail.com> I don't believe so. David told me he would not be there. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 1:53 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar also, was the nabs seminar recorded? -----Original Message----- From: Roanna Baccchus Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 11:34 AM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] How was the Washington Seminar Dear Nabs Members, How was this year's Washington seminar? I hope that the Teach Act gets passed by Congress. I can't wait to hear your responses. _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bookwormahb%40earthlink. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om From mikgephart at icloud.com Fri Jan 31 21:47:09 2014 From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:47:09 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Does this sound good to you? In-Reply-To: <52eb9c9e.41b3440a.0c4a.02cf@mx.google.com> References: <52eb9c9e.41b3440a.0c4a.02cf@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <4DF7A5FD-79AF-4864-BA82-631607464261@icloud.com> I love it! You are a good player. What song was that? Sent from my iPad On Jan 31, 2014, at 7:51 AM, marissa wrote: > This is me playing "River Flows in You" on piano, by Yiruma. Does it sound good to you all? Just reply offlist, so as not to clutter the list with unnecessary traffic. > Thanks and enjoy! > > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:48:10 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:48:10 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Quizlet In-Reply-To: <008601cf1ecc$103341b0$3099c510$@gmail.com> References: <261B54F8-9594-4FEC-9C50-CAF07EF87913@gmail.com><249C73E9-1CCF-486E-99F9-B87801A31F49@fuse.net> <008601cf1ecc$103341b0$3099c510$@gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, this is Helga. I just wanted to ask you, what is the name of the app that you say creates flash card? And is it free in the app store? Just curius! :) -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 4:33 PM To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list' Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Quizlet Lillie, Thank you for the information. I have downloaded the app to my phone and am in the process of playing with it. I'll let you all know of my experiences. Chris -----Original Message----- From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie Pennington Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 3:00 PM To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Quizlet If the ap does not work, the actual site may, although I do not know for sure. I do know that there is at least one more app that should work and accessible. I do not remember the name but if quizlet does not let me know. Another thing with these apps is that if you are using a textbook you should be able to search for the set and not have to make them. Sent from my iPhone > On Jan 31, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Chris Nusbaum wrote: > > Hello All, > > Has anyone had experience with the Quizlet flash card app for iOS? If so, what is the status of its accessibility? This was recommended to me by my Spanish teacher as a way to create electronic flash cards for vocabulary. Thanks in advance, as always, for any information you can provide. > > Chris Nusbaum > > Sent from my iPhone > _______________________________________________ > nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lilliepennington%40fuse. net _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c om _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 21:52:07 2014 From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 16:52:07 -0500 Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <322D7F2DF28B492980D0464E26BBA8AE@Helga> Hi Leonard, this is Helga. Welcome to the list! Hope you like this list! I really like it a lot! Hope to talk to you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) -----Original Message----- From: Leonard Stamper Sent: Friday, January 31, 2014 2:25 PM To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org Subject: [nabs-l] Hello to the list Sent from my iPhone hello everyone my name is Leonard Stamper I live in Louisville. Kentucky. I am a junior massage therapist at the Louisville school of massage therapy. I am taking training to be a professional massage therapist. Is there any massage therapist on this list? Also are there any Jr. massage therapist students? I am looking forward to getting to know everyone that I can. And I hope you all will lock getting to know me. Stay warm stay safe and God bless _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com From pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com Fri Jan 31 23:20:40 2014 From: pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com (marissa) Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2014 15:20:40 -0800 Subject: [nabs-l] Does this sound good to you? Message-ID: <52ec2fed.0382440a.0f6c.ffff84da@mx.google.com> It is called "River Flows in You" by Yiruma, and it took me a week to get it right with lots of practice. ----- Original Message ----- From: Mikayla Gephart wrote: This is me playing "River Flows in You" on piano, by Yiruma. Does it sound good to you all? Just reply offlist, so as not to clutter the list with unnecessary traffic. Thanks and enjoy!