[nabs-l] Music forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Mon Jan 6 23:23:59 UTC 2014

There are piano pieces? I play piano; you said they were already 
in brf? Do you have the link?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 6 Jan 2014 13:04:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music 
forBandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

Hi Marissa,

I don't really know as I've always just called.  I think there 
might
be, and I know you can do a self-service download of some music 
files
in brf format from web braille, but these are mostly vocal scores 
and
piano pieces.  There was not much for clarinet the last time I
checked.

It's honestly quicker and easier if you call the music section 
anyway.
 There is no searching, and if you call early enough in the day 
the
books can be in the mail to you by that afternoon.

On 1/5/14, Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:
 Marisa,
 I think you need that display fixed.
 But, if you want to read music, not the lyrics of songs, you 
cannot convert

 a file to braille on the apex.
 You need a transcriber.  Print music is an image.  it has a 
sympbol for treble

 or base clef
 Then lines called a staff are where the notes are.  A note has a 
line called

 a stem with a circle, either filled in or empty.
 The circles are on the staves and tell you what notes you play.  
I have
 vision and tried to learn music, but its complex and reading and 
playing the

 piano was frustrating.

 You will not convert print music to braille without a 
transcriber.
 NLS can send you the material to learn braille music.
 Just tell your aunt to call.  write a note if needed to her.
 Press your  school to get you this music.

 Its rediculous to hear this.  Not only will they not teach you 
music reading

 wich other students get, but  additionally, you are not even 
getting the
 music in braille.
 There is software to create braille music; I think its named 
Good feel.

 There is little excuse for this BS from your school.  Meanwhile 
do the best
 you can.  Listen and try and pick it up by ear.

 Ashley
 -----Original Message-----
 From: marissa
 Sent: Sunday, January 05, 2014 6:20 AM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
 BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]newyear)

 If I had a display that worked, I know how to convert files to
 brf on the Apex.  We do not have an embosser, no, but I'm trying
 to get them to get me the small desktop one from Humanware.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 02:21:00 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for
 BandwasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

 Marissa,

 I know how you feel, but it is the law that all teachers, even
 band
 directors, have to provide an equal education to ALL students.  
I
 know
 that blind students are not common in most band programs, and
 most of
 us who do join band are the first blind students our directors
 have
 met, but I know I was the first blind student for a majority of
 my
 teachers in other subjects and they had to follow the rules.  
The
 problem is that school districts and band directors do not think
 these
 standards apply to the music classes, and the result is that
 students
 with needs that are out of the norm fall through the cracks.

 If you're going to use a braille display to read music you will
 still
 need a transcriber to edit the print music file and turn it into
 a brf
 or gf format.  What is really helpful if you don't have a 
display
 but
 have an embosser at school is to get the transcriber to email 
you
 the
 completed brf or gf file and emboss them using Duxberry or a
 similar
 software.

 I couldn't find that list for some reason when I looked earlier,
 but
 I'll keep looking for it.  :)

 On 1/4/14, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

 If I send it in, I won't be able to do much because the only
 thing I have is the Braille Writer, I can't use that in some
 classes because I do not have a braille writer in them.

   ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 21:44:37 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band
 wasRE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

 Marisa,
 have the apex fixed; humanware can fix the braille display; that
 must suck
 to have
 trouble with the display because that is a major benefit of the
 apex.

 If I were you, I'd press to have it fixed.  Since the display
 isn't an
 option, just emboss the braille music.  Your TVI or aid should
 be
 able to
 emboss it for you.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: marissa
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 9:34 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was
 RE:adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

 No, All I have is the Apex, and it is getting on my last nerve
 anyway.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 21:03:47 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
 adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[]new year)

 Hmmm! Do you have an I'phone or I'pad with a braille display?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 8:59 PM, marissa <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
 wrote:

 I am Mr Sanders' first blind student.  I feel bad for him
 sometimes, because he is so new to this.  The
 really cool thing is this: he never smiles (according to
 friends), never laughs or anything, just has a straight face all
 the time.  Whenever I give him something, (like a braille
 picture), or tell him something, he'll laugh or smile.  My
 friends think it's a miracle and I can't help, but laugh too.

 We are having a new thing at our school, starting Monday, bring
 your own device.  I have my braille note Apex, which would be
 able to read the music, if only the display worked.  The thing
 is, if Sanders sent it to me, which I'm sure he wouldn't mind if
 I explained the machine to him, I would be able to read it off
 of
 the display, just like everyone else reading their phones,
 tablets, etc.  But because of the display, this does not seem
 very effective.
 I have tried recording the band to see if I can learn by ear,
 didn't help, although I did get some sweet recordings.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 20:24:31 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE:
 adjustingtohighschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 Hi Marissa,

 Here is a suggestion I have posted to a couple of other lists on
 this
 topic.  I had similar issues in high school; my band was really
 large
 like your's, and the director chose to not devote the time to
 providing me an equal music education to my sighted peers.  This
 is
 exactly what your director is doing, and if it did not work in
 the IEP
 meeting the best thing you can do is take him as far out of the
 braille music situation as possible.  This means that you will
 simply
 ask him to give you the print copies of your music as far in
 advance
 as possible and then send them to a transcriber from NLS
 yourself.
 Giving you the music is all he will have to do, he won't have to
 edit
 things, work with Goodfeel, or do anything beyond have an open
 line of
 communication with you and have an idea of which pieces the band
 will
 be playing for their next concert.

 It is sad that this seems like the solution to your problem, and
 what
 your director is doing really isn't fair, but sometimes when we
 can't
 get our instructors to do their part we need to take matters
 into our
 own hands.

 The NLS site has a list online which shows all their certified
 braille
 music transcribers along with email addresses for each person.
 You
 can email one in your state about getting your band music
 brailled.  I
 would have never gotten a single piece of braille music in high
 school
 had I waited for my band director to tow the line.

 I will find the link to the list of transcribers and post it to
 this
 thread.  I hope it will be of help.  Also, I have talked to
 other
 student's instructors about accomodations in music before, so if
 you
 would like someone who has gone through high school music
 classes and
 is now majoring in music in college to speak to someone I would
 be
 glad to.  I have found that most often when a director says, "I
 don't
 have time," they know that isn't an acceptable excuse, but
 they're
 scared of the commitment that they think will be required of
 them to
 produce braille music.  Really, it isn't that big of a
 commitment at
 all, especially if you out source the transcription.

 On 1/4/14, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:
 Would you be interested In exchangeing phone numbers and or
 contact
 details?
 Right back soon,
 Koby.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Mikayla
 Gephart
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:59 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
 highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 Yes, but I primarily use it for calls and texts.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:56 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

 That's cool.  I see that you have a iPad do you also have a
 iPhone?
 Right back soon,
 Koby.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Mikayla
 Gephart
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:52 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
 highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 some vision, but not enough to rely on large print.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:50 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

 Are you totally blind or do you have some vision?
 Right back soon,
 Koby.

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Mikayla
 Gephart
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 6:11 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
 highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 No, I am in Choir and Student Council.  My favorite hobby is
 swimming.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 7:09 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

 Are you In band? Also, what do you like to do for fun?
 Right back soon,
 Koby
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Mikayla Gephart
 <mikgephart at icloud.com
 wrote:

 Thirteen.  Please excuse the M in my previous message, I was
 typing
 a
 little to fast.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:57 PM, Koby Cox <kobycox at gmail.com> wrote:

 How old are you?
 Right back soon,
 Koby
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:32 PM, Mikayla Gephart
 <mikgephart at icloud.com
 wrote:

 Moo, but she has been with me for six years, read the chart, and
 figured it out.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 6:28 PM, marissa
 <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com
 wrote:

 Does she know braille music?
 If so, you are very lucky.  As I said before, no one knows it
 it,
 which means that I'm sitting in my band class doing nothing, but
 listening, which isn't very helpful when the teacher isn't
 there.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 17:51:14 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjustingto
 highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 My aide brailles my choir music, but just this year, she wanted
 me
 to learn it.

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 5:39 PM, Ashley Bramlett
 <bookwormahb at earthlink.net> wrote:

 Hi Marissa,
 All states are different; if nls needs someone over 18 in your
 state to do it, then just keep politely reminding your aunt or
 whomever
 needs to call.
 Some libraries have an email address to send your request to.  I
 think that question is best answered by a librarian in your
 cooperating
 library.
 We are fortunate here to have our talking book program part of
 the
 library branch system of the county; they are county employees.
 They also do outreach to other disabled people, not just blind
 people.
 I was able to order my own books as a high school student.  But
 perhaps your area is different.

 I would also recommend trying the distance education program,
 hadley school for the blind, to learn braille music.

 I've heard braille music is quite different than regular
 braille;
 I never learned it, but was not in band.  I did do choir a few
 years.
 but it was easy to catch on the music and rhythym by listening.
 in
 fact, learning braille music never crossed my mind; I simply
 went to
 class and sang like everyone else; sometimes they brailled the
 lyrics
 for me though.

 That's too bad no one in your area is available to teach you
 braille music, if you want to learn it.  There are camps for
 blind
 musicians, and perhaps this may be an option to learn the code
 and
 meet
 other blind musicians.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message----- From: marissa
 Sent: Saturday, January 04, 2014 1:17 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to
 highschool(was:Re:[] new year)

 You can request it online?
 How?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 12:26:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
 school(was:Re:[] new year)

 You should be able to call yourself or be able to request it
 online.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 10:49 AM, marissa
 <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

 I'm working on it, the basics with a chart that someone gave me.
 No one has time to teach me, so I have to teach myself.  They
 would teach me if they could, but noone knows braille music.
 I'm
 trying to get the book from NLS, but my aunt keeps forgeting to
 call, so that one's out.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 04 Jan 2014 10:40:28 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
 school (was:Re:[] new year)

 Do you know Braille Music?

 Sent from my iPad

 On Jan 4, 2014, at 12:28 AM, marissa
 <pianogirlforlife7 at gmail.com> wrote:

 They do not know braille music.  I have asked repeatedly.  I
 brought it up at my i.EddP a few weeks ago.  Didn't help.  I
 told
 my casecarrier about Dancing Dots  and she told me to tell Mr
 Sanders, my band director.  I emailed him, because he never has
 time during class for much because it is a band of 90 students.
 Hasn't replied.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 00:13:06 -0500
 Subject: [nabs-l] Music for Band was RE: adjusting to high
 school (was: Re:[] new year)

 Marissa,

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