[nabs-l] marketing class

Sat Jan 11 06:48:18 UTC 2014

You mentioned a few emails back that you " won't have a note taker for
the class." Why not? If this is genuinely a class that you want to
take, I don't see why an uncooperative professor would prevent you
from doing so. After all, you can have disability services hire
someone to take notes for you during class. A lot of my professors
write notes on the white board as well and I have had to use note
takers to take notes for me or I would just ask a classmate what the
professor has written. I imagine that if she doesn't have office hours
on campus, it would pose a challenge for other students not just you.
If they have managed to take the course without the assistance of the
professor, I think you can, too. As for the blackboard group
discussions/submitting assignments, it is very accessible and it
wouldn't be a problem for you to participate.
Minh

On 1/10/14, Joe <jsoro620 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Ashley,
>
> Find someone to report the professor. The assistant dean would seem fine,
> but whomever you take your complaint to, make sure you get some sort of
> action. I'm not talking suspension or dismissal or anything like that, but
> the professor should know this type of behavior is completely unacceptable,
> especially for a situation where a student is diligent enough to reach out
> proactively. An educator of any stripe should welcome that kind of
> refreshing change for young adults of our generation. Good luck to you.
>
> --
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 9:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class
>
> Suzanne,
>
> I doubt I'll say  anything to disability services; they wouldn't do much of
> anything unless I'm in the class.
> However, I have thought about reporting her to her assistant dean.
> She should not prejudge me and should not assume we cannot work things out.
>
> She is just not willing to go the extra mile; this is odd because her
> ratings are fine on rate my professor; so glad I know the other side of
> her.
>
> She ended her email saying her availability was limited and something like
> "we have had a voluminous exchange of email in the past few days, and this
> is not possible once the semester begins."
>
> We did not have a huge exchange of email, and btw her first email was not
> even her own words, but rather a copy and pasted exerpt of the syllabus. It
> did answer my questions about course topics and teaching style, so  maybe
> she felt a short intro of herself and pasting in her course objectives and
> some expectations she has would suffice Well, this was a good start, but I
> needed more specifics such as what videos she had and her use of
> blackboard;
> I asked knowing these might pose challenges for me and wanted to brainstorm
> solutions ahead of time and hopefully continue the discussion first day
> after class.
>
> You said,
> "I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and
> let them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to
> provide the info I need before class starts."
>
>
> Good advocacy Suzanne!  I do the emails for the same reason. Also, most
> professors email their syllabus to me ahead of time, and that is beneficial
> because then as students look at it with the professor, I have an idea what
> they're seeing.
> Some of them offer to send me their first set of lecture notes too, which I
> accept.
> So, given you do this too, I suppose I did nothing wrong and just ran into
> an unaccomodating professor.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts; it validates my ideas.
> I am off to pick another class.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Suzanne Germano
> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:11 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class
>
> Personally I would speak to disabled students services and have them let
> the
> professor know that their classes need to be accessible.
>
> Also, even if you don't take the class I believe Disabled Student Services
> needs to let this person know that they do need to spend the time to make
> sure things are set up.  If that means making a phone call or coming up to
> campus to meet a student then they need to do it.
>
> I email all my professors before a class starts and introduce myself and
> let
> them know my accommodations. So far most have gone out of thier way to
> provide the info I need before class starts.
>
> Suzanne
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 10, 2014 at 5:03 PM, Ashley Bramlett
> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>wrote:
>
>> Hi Emily,
>> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major?
>> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more
>> professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding.
>>
>> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer
>> knowledge.
>> I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to take it
>> only to learn two professors required a marketing computer simulation;
>> I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I may have
>> gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a class
>> knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its
>> inherriently inaccessible.
>>
>> I don't think the professor will work with me.
>> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the
>> videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the
>> material another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies
>> to watch outside class?
>> End question.
>>
>> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it
>> was not but that was a few years back.
>> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not
>> call students, will not give out her number to discuss anything, and
>> feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not
>> see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but
>> I could get copies I know.
>>
>> I don't think I should work with someone like this.
>> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open.
>>
>> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only
>> wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion.
>> also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same
>> stuff and bother her.
>> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that;
>> students do that and fail to wait for a response.
>>
>> Here is the excerpt.
>> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor
>> do I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I
>> am not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on
>> the frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you
>> might require.
>>
>> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be
>> appropriate for the best learning experience for you. I often decide
>> at the last minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not
>> predictable. It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not
>> have prepared notes for the White Board, as they are often based on
>> the classroom discussions, as I've mentioned before.
>>
>> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project.
>> There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work.
>> I have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work,
>> since there is often not a great deal of lead time.
>>
>> end note.
>>
>> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded people.
>> Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give out her
>> number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even if it
>> means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible.
>>
>> Okay done ranting.
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class
>>
>> Hi, Ashley.
>> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad
>> at all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured
>> with PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the
>> dialogue in the videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or
>> advertisement), there were some visual things I often missed. However,
>> my professor would briefly discuss the video afterword, asking the
>> class what they observed and reiterating what they had seen. It helped
>> me fill in most of the missing pieces. If your professor shows the
>> videos in class, you could ask her to reiterate and discuss what went
>> on -- namely, what she wanted the class to see in particular.
>> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component,
>> although I've been in several other classes in which it has played a
>> major
> role.
>> The
>> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and
>> never had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page.
>> It's easy to upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit
>> assignments link, and you either upload the file by browsing your
>> computer or cut and paste the text of your assignment, depending on what
> your teacher prefers.
>> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope
>> this helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take.
>>
>> Take care,
>> Emily
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" <
>> bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class
>>
>>
>>  Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business
>>> class. I'm taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume
>>> builder, and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to
>>> learn something for the work world; I may want to go into marketing
>>> or communications; I have a liberal studies degree.
>>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions.
>>>
>>> I'm hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will
>>> be. In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and
>>> blackboard discussions has posed a big problem.
>>>
>>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as
>>> many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group
>>> activities, case studies, and videos.
>>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does.
>>>
>>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and
>>> videos are critical.
>>>
>>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your
>>> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal
>>> with them?
>>>
>>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions?
>>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same
>>> with the business organization development class too.
>>>
>>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor
>>> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus.
>>> she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach,
>>> and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This
>>> eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in
>>> person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you
>>> can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you
>>> can have more of an understanding, in my opinion.
>>>
>>> So, I'm just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed
>>> videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class
>>> to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed,
>>> she told me after class.
>>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full
>>> time, and had office on campus.
>>>
>>> I'll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing
>>> professor.
>>>
>>> Look forward to ideas.
>>> Ashley
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