[nabs-l] marketing class

Sat Jan 11 16:13:57 UTC 2014

Hi, Mikayla.
I took Precalculus my junior year, and I was doing pretty well in the class. 
I was planning on taking AP Calculus my senior year, because who doesn't 
want to eliminate that silly college math class if they can? Anyway, my 
precalc teacher also taught Calc, and she basically did everything under the 
sun to discourage me from taking the class. With math classes, I had always 
asked for the notes in advance so I could preview any complicated graphics 
we would see and get a feel for the concepts. She didn't want to give them 
to me because she thought I'd teach myself the wrong way. Okay; let's be 
real here. With everything I was doing that year, I only had time to peruse 
the notes for scary pictures before class; I wasn't about to teach myself 
anything. I just wanted to be prepared., Like Ashley's professor, she kept 
saying that she would often stray from the notes and freehand an example on 
the board. She said that she wouldn't have time to stop the class and 
explain what was going on in those instances, and other such things to make 
it seem like the class would be impossible. Fortunately, there was another 
teacher who taught Calc, and she was much more accomodating. I must say; 
that was one of the ugliest IEP meetings my parents and I ever experienced, 
but the results were worth it. I'm honestly not one for revenge, but I won't 
deny that I chuckled to myself when I ended up doing just fine in the class.
For every uncompromising teacher in high school, I had ten amazing ones. 
That situation was an anomaly for me, but I know I'm luckier than a lot of 
people in similar circumstances. Be respectful, but don't let the bad apples 
push you around and keep you from taking the classes you want to take.
Okay; story over. Best of luck in high school!

Emily
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mikayla Gephart" <mikgephart at icloud.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 8:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class

>I am curious, since I will be going in to high school. What did you do?
>
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> On Jan 10, 2014, at 8:18 PM, Emily Pennington <emilypennington at fuse.net> 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi, Ashley.
>> I'm at Xavier University in my hometown of Cincinnati, and I'm an 
>> Accounting major.
>> As I read that email, I honestly wanted to kick something; that's how 
>> disgusted I was. You're right: she isn't required to give out her number 
>> or have an office, but a good professor would do at least some of those 
>> things. I hope there's a better, more open-minded marketing professor. At 
>> least you have options, because in high school, when I came across a 
>> close-minded, unreasonable teacher (Calculus, in my case), I didn't have 
>> many options open to me.
>>
>> Best of luck,
>> Emily
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 7:03 PM
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class
>>
>>
>>> Hi Emily,
>>> Thanks. So where are you at school? what is your major?
>>> What are some of the major things you learned? There is one more 
>>> professor I can try for next semester. Maybe he will be understanding.
>>>
>>> As I said, I just want to take it for the business and consumer 
>>> knowledge. I'm a bit sad and frustrated because I tried last semester to 
>>> take it only to learn two professors required a marketing computer 
>>> simulation; I would not be able to see this, so opted not to take it. I 
>>> may have gotten an alternate assignment, but I did not want to pay for a 
>>> class knowing I could not do a major part of the course because its 
>>> inherriently inaccessible.
>>>
>>> I don't think the professor will work with me.
>>> I wrote only three emails. Today, I asked her this. I understand the 
>>> videos are a critical component to class. Will you provide the material 
>>> another way such as describing it to me or giving me copies to watch 
>>> outside class?
>>> End question.
>>>
>>> I'm glad to hear the blackboard discussion is working; last time it was 
>>> not but that was a few years back.
>>> The professor wrote back reiterating she is Not on campus, will not call 
>>> students, will not give out her number to discuss anything,
>>> and feels her spontaneous teaching style is not good for me; I would not 
>>> see her white board notes either. I would not see the powerpoints, but I 
>>> could get copies I know.
>>>
>>> I don't think I should work with someone like this.
>>> I'm glad you had a good experience but your professor seemed more open.
>>>
>>> Here is just an excerpt of her hurtful email. and keep in mind I only 
>>> wrote three times which btw is not much if you are having a discussion. 
>>> also, I waited for her responses! I did not! email and email same stuff 
>>> and bother her.
>>> Some students do that; I know because professors complain about that; 
>>> students do that and fail to wait for a response.
>>>
>>> Here is the excerpt.
>>> Thank you for your phone number. However, I do not call students, nor do 
>>> I provide my phone number. I've also written that, as an adjunct, I am 
>>> not on campus except when I have classes. That said and based on the 
>>> frequency of your recent emails, I may not be as accessible as you might 
>>> require.
>>>
>>> I am concerned that the spontaneity of my classes may not be appropriate 
>>> for the best learning experience for you. I often decide at the last 
>>> minute if and what video I will use. The sources are not predictable. 
>>> It's wherever I find the most appropriate video. I do not have prepared 
>>> notes for the White Board, as they are often based on the classroom 
>>> discussions, as I've mentioned before.
>>>
>>> I have indicated there is much Team work, including the Final Project. 
>>> There are Powerpoints and presentations involved in all the Team work. I 
>>> have concern for you and your Teammates in preparing this work, since 
>>> there is often not a great deal of lead time.
>>>
>>> end note.
>>>
>>> Isn't this bad? Oh, why oh why do schools hire such closed minded 
>>> people. Okay, she is not required to call me, and not required to give 
>>> out her number. but she should be willing to dialogue with students even 
>>> if it means emails or heaven forbid, staying on campus to be accessible.
>>>
>>> Okay done ranting.
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Emily Pennington
>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 4:02 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] marketing class
>>>
>>> Hi, Ashley.
>>> Last spring, I took a Principles of Marketing class, and it wasn't bad 
>>> at
>>> all in terms of accessibility. Like your professor, mine lectured with
>>> PowerPoints and showed several videos in class. While the dialogue in 
>>> the
>>> videos was helpful (depending on the commercial or advertisement), there
>>> were some visual things I often missed. However, my professor would 
>>> briefly
>>> discuss the video afterword, asking the class what they observed and
>>> reiterating what they had seen. It helped me fill in most of the missing
>>> pieces. If your professor shows the videos in class, you could ask her 
>>> to
>>> reiterate and discuss what went on -- namely, what she wanted the class 
>>> to
>>> see in particular.
>>> My Marketing class didn't have a Blackboard discussion component, 
>>> although
>>> I've been in several other classes in which it has played a major role. 
>>> The
>>> discussion forums on Blackboard are very accessible; I used JAWS and 
>>> never
>>> had any difficulty once I familiarized myself with the page. It's easy 
>>> to
>>> upload file assignments, too; there is usually a submit assignments 
>>> link,
>>> and you either upload the file by browsing your computer or cut and 
>>> paste
>>> the text of your assignment, depending on what your teacher prefers.
>>> Feel free to write me off-list if you have any more questions. I hope 
>>> this
>>> helped, to an extent. Marketing is a great business class to take.
>>>
>>> Take care,
>>> Emily
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ashley Bramlett" 
>>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Friday, January 10, 2014 3:07 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> I am debating whether to take intro to marketing or another business 
>>>> class. I’m taking a class more for the knowledge, as a resume builder, 
>>>> and something to do as I look for work. My goals are to learn something 
>>>> for the work world; I may want to go into marketing or communications; 
>>>> I have a liberal studies degree.
>>>> I also want to learn about the office environment and how it functions.
>>>>
>>>> I’m hesitant though as I wonder just how accessible the class will be. 
>>>> In the past, group work using case studies, videos, and blackboard 
>>>> discussions has posed a big problem.
>>>>
>>>> The professor says she lectures from powerpoint. This is typical as 
>>>> many teachers do it; she also uses class discussion, group activities, 
>>>> case studies, and videos.
>>>> I could benefit from lectures and discussion as everyone else does.
>>>>
>>>> But she indicates we use ocasional group blackboard discussion and 
>>>> videos are critical.
>>>>
>>>> So my questions. Have you taken marketing? If so, what was your 
>>>> experience? Did you run into these challenges and how did you deal with 
>>>> them?
>>>>
>>>> Is the blackboard submission link accessible? How about discussions?
>>>> I may have issues with group projects, but that would be the same with 
>>>> the business organization development class too.
>>>>
>>>> How did you get access to video content? I would ask the professor 
>>>> questions, but she is adjunct and does not have an office on campus. 
>>>> she already told me in her email that she is only on campus to teach, 
>>>> and furthermore, the best communication channel is email. This 
>>>> eliminates the idea of discussing stuff either on phone, skype, or in 
>>>> person in her office. Often, face to face is best, because emails you 
>>>> can go round and round and not be helped. Now, with a discussion, you 
>>>> can have more of an understanding, in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>> So, I’m just thinking aloud. My last professor for religion showed 
>>>> videos extensively, but we worked it out. she spoke to me after class 
>>>> to answer my questions or if there was some action she felt I needed, 
>>>> she told me after class.
>>>> Additionally, any concerns we discussed in office hours; she was full 
>>>> time, and had office on campus.
>>>>
>>>> I’ll check online and see if there are any ratings for the marketing 
>>>> professor.
>>>>
>>>> Look forward to ideas.
>>>> Ashley
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