From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 02:44:54 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Elif Emir via nabs-l)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2014 22:44:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] video game accesibility petition
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9dTBrtKmnag3EJwQxW4S2vdO4x2-zBvs+sbOXsCFaUmcg@mail.gmail.com>

hello all,
I just saw a petition for video game accessibility on change.org
maybe you want to support it,
here it is
https://www.change.org/petitions/nintendo-make-your-3ds-game-console-accessible-by-people-who-are-blind-by-incorporating-a-screen-reader-application-into-the-system-menu-software?utm_source=action_alert&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=70320&alert_id=ikzVpvEwBj_7kpwXI%2FkJPiN0kHIHzaGizwKyN%2BgaQGy0HrjsIG6s%2Fc%3D

-- 
Elif Emir Öksüz
Counselor Traınee- Xavier University

http://sanalterapistim.blogspot.com.tr/

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sanal-Terapistim/622044051210298?ref=hl


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 21:54:26 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 15:54:26 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Kindle and voiceover
Message-ID: <EBDB8595-26C0-4FE0-93A1-0DF763B135A2@gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to go between pages on the Kindle using voice over? Is this only available on some books? Thanks for your help.
Lora

Sent from my iPhone

From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 22:04:33 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:04:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Autonumbering on an IOS device
Message-ID: <141B7C41-4048-4B17-BB7B-AB1E556737DD@icloud.com>



Hello
How do you turn off autonumbering for Pages. There are times when I do not want it to put numbers in a document for me. Thanks.

Sent from my iPad


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 22:20:21 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Alyssa via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:20:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140531103108.05348718@comcast.net>
References: <5389d2f4.61dd320a.1863.16fe@mx.google.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20140531103108.05348718@comcast.net>
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Hello. I'm not an android user but I have a couple resources you can use. I know somewhere there is an android accessibility list. Search for eyes free. Eyes free also has a web site. I would be careful talking to sales reps. Many of them don't understand the accessibility features. I've personally found iPhones to be more blind friendly, but that's just my opinion. I hope this is somewhat helpful anyway.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> To ANSWER Call (on Android)
> Place a Finger on the TouchScreen until you HEAR TalkBack (TB) ANNOUCE "SLIDE Right To ANSWER" & simply Slide to the Right without lifting your Finger off the TouchScreen, and that should allow you to ANSWER providing you are using an Android running at Least Android KitKat (4.4 or Higher).
> 
> To ENTER DIGITS while on a CALL, you must be on SpeakerPhone, and make sure the DialPad IS Checked to allow you to ENTER DIGITS, which you should HEAR a sound similar to the sound you HEAR when you ENTER DIGITS on a LandLine TelePhone.
> (simply LIFT your Finger when you HEAR the DIGIT you want to ENTER)
> 
> As for scrolling, you simply move your Finger down to HEAR Items within the List, and use 2 Fingers...from the bottom of the TouchScreen and slowly Slide them upward to HEAR more items (if available within the List) This is quite difficult for me to do, but I haven't practiced it very much either.
> 
> To LEARN TalkBack (TB) gestures
> Go into Recent Apps, Select Settings, then Select Accessibility, then Select TalkBack, then Scroll to the Bottom to Practice the various TalkBack Gestures IN the Android TalkBack Tutorial
> 
> I HOPE this Helps
> 
> If NOT, I suggest you GO to your Mobile Provider, and Work alongside a Tech/SalesPerson
> 
> Sent From DROID MAX User
> At 06:01 AM 5/31/2014, you wrote:
>> Dear Nabs-Sters,
>> I just got a smartphone.  Yes, I swear I got a smartphone.  But there are a few quesftions I have about it:
>> 1. How do you answer a call with an android ZTE Prelude?  That's the one I got.
>> 2. How do you scroll down?
>> 3. How do you press numbers while the call is on and how do you know they're pressed?  I don't have a voicemail set up.
>> Thank you all, and email me off list if you'd like.
>> Beth Taurasi
>> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 22:23:01 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Alyssa via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:23:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Private] guardianship question
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC4dv3SeZ99x4qp3ge1oYGijZgn3h5BQqWHw-bC_5Kv8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <auto-000017427333@mailback4.g2host.com>
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What she said can be done quite easily. Excel spreadsheets are great for this type of record. If you are a smartphone user, there are also plenty of apps to help you keep track of everything on the go. 
Hth
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 31, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes. Online banking access is a must. I always keep track of how much
> money I get each month and then subtract out what I know I will need
> to spend on things like rent, utilities, groceries, Internet and cell
> phone charges. Then the rest is an allowance I give myself to spend on
> other things. I divide the allowance into four weekly portions and
> every time I make a purchase, subtract the amount from what I have to
> spend for the week. At the end of the month, any funds I have left
> over get rolled into a savings account, and then if I need or want to
> make a big purchase like a trip or buying a new piece of technology,
> it gets funded out of the savings account. This system may seem a
> little overly detailed, and it's less crucial for me now that I make
> enough to not have to live month-to-month, but when I was on a lower
> income this system was essential. If you use a credit card, it is even
> more important to track your spending so that, ideally, your credit
> card spending each month never exceeds your income plus savings.
> 
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
>> On 5/30/14, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi to all.  As far as financial stuardship goes, I'd suggest setting
>> up online banking.  I get SSI, and each month, my money is directly
>> deposited in my checking account.  I can log in to my banks website
>> with an id and password, and immediately see my balance after every
>> transaction.  I can also look at transactions to see what money was
>> spent where.  I haven't done this yet, but I think I will start also
>> writing down every time I make a purchase besides having the info on
>> the banks site just as a backup.  I enjoy having access to my
>> financial information, because, I now know exactly what is spent on
>> which purchases, so if I put money or withdraw money, I can very
>> quickly check it.  I also have my debbit card set up to if there isn't
>> enough money in my account to make a purchase, my card is declined and
>> my purchase doesn't go through.  If I have a question about a
>> transaction, calling my bank will help resolve the question.  Good
>> luck.  Also, there are college courses in statistics which will teach
>> you about using credit cards, stocks bonds and things like that.
>> These and other financial topics were part of my college level math
>> class.  To me, the most important thing to learn when you manage your
>> own money, is first, at the beginning of the month, figure out how
>> much money you have in your account, then when you want to make a
>> purchase decide if you can aford it or not, and if you do make a
>> purchase subtract what you spent from your beginning balance.  Repeat
>> this process with each purchase, so at the end of the month you can
>> figure out for yourself if you are spending to much or not.  Have a
>> great afternoon all.
>> 
>>> On 5/30/14, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> This wasn't meant to go to the whole list, sorry, but my compliment
>>> stands.
>>> I guess we all need to be careful of
>>> the new email addressing.  <smile>
>>> 
>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>> Steve Jacobson
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2014 15:06:40 -0500, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This was a very sensitive but careful response that many on the list
>>>> would
>>>> not have given.  Thanks for taking the
>>>> time.
>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>> 
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>> 
>>>> On Fri, 30 May 2014 12:58:06 -0600, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>>> 
>>>>> Hi John,
>>> 
>>>>> Just to clarify: Are you saying that your parents are trying to take
>>>>> financial guardianship over you?
>>>>> It's hard to give advice without knowing more details about your
>>>>> situation. The short answer is that if you are 18 years old or older
>>>>> and do not have any mental illnesses or disabilities, they do not have
>>>>> any legal reason to do this. If you do have a mental illness or
>>>>> disability, it becomes tougher, but often you can still maintain
>>>>> financial independence with the help of an advocate.
>>>>> I am not sure if the bulk of your finances come from social security?
>>>>> If so, then it would be good to talk with someone who is familiar with
>>>>> social security law.
>>> 
>>>>> Lots of people, including many people without disabilities, have
>>>>> problems managing and saving money. This means you could benefit from
>>>>> some financial counseling. It does not mean that you are unable to
>>>>> handle your own finances. The trick is keeping careful track of what
>>>>> you regularly spend money on, how much you spend and then cutting your
>>>>> spending so it doesn't exceed your income.
>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>>>> On 5/30/14, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>> I have a question: My parents are threatening me  about my finances
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are going to take me to court for Guardianship over them.
>>>>>> I am having a problem with managing them and saving money.
>>>>>> Am I allowed to have a advocate?
>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> John Sanders
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 22:47:01 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Doug Oliver via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:47:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!
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	<C23E8990-E846-4D43-88AF-C22796745F17@gmail.com>
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agreed with allissa.

----- Original Message ----- 
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To: "Robin" <robin-melvin at comcast.net>; "National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!


> Hello. I'm not an android user but I have a couple resources you can use. 
> I know somewhere there is an android accessibility list. Search for eyes 
> free. Eyes free also has a web site. I would be careful talking to sales 
> reps. Many of them don't understand the accessibility features. I've 
> personally found iPhones to be more blind friendly, but that's just my 
> opinion. I hope this is somewhat helpful anyway.
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On May 31, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> To ANSWER Call (on Android)
>> Place a Finger on the TouchScreen until you HEAR TalkBack (TB) ANNOUCE 
>> "SLIDE Right To ANSWER" & simply Slide to the Right without lifting your 
>> Finger off the TouchScreen, and that should allow you to ANSWER providing 
>> you are using an Android running at Least Android KitKat (4.4 or Higher).
>>
>> To ENTER DIGITS while on a CALL, you must be on SpeakerPhone, and make 
>> sure the DialPad IS Checked to allow you to ENTER DIGITS, which you 
>> should HEAR a sound similar to the sound you HEAR when you ENTER DIGITS 
>> on a LandLine TelePhone.
>> (simply LIFT your Finger when you HEAR the DIGIT you want to ENTER)
>>
>> As for scrolling, you simply move your Finger down to HEAR Items within 
>> the List, and use 2 Fingers...from the bottom of the TouchScreen and 
>> slowly Slide them upward to HEAR more items (if available within the 
>> List) This is quite difficult for me to do, but I haven't practiced it 
>> very much either.
>>
>> To LEARN TalkBack (TB) gestures
>> Go into Recent Apps, Select Settings, then Select Accessibility, then 
>> Select TalkBack, then Scroll to the Bottom to Practice the various 
>> TalkBack Gestures IN the Android TalkBack Tutorial
>>
>> I HOPE this Helps
>>
>> If NOT, I suggest you GO to your Mobile Provider, and Work alongside a 
>> Tech/SalesPerson
>>
>> Sent From DROID MAX User
>> At 06:01 AM 5/31/2014, you wrote:
>>> Dear Nabs-Sters,
>>> I just got a smartphone.  Yes, I swear I got a smartphone.  But there 
>>> are a few quesftions I have about it:
>>> 1. How do you answer a call with an android ZTE Prelude?  That's the one 
>>> I got.
>>> 2. How do you scroll down?
>>> 3. How do you press numbers while the call is on and how do you know 
>>> they're pressed?  I don't have a voicemail set up.
>>> Thank you all, and email me off list if you'd like.
>>> Beth Taurasi
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>
>>
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 22:56:55 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:56:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Autonumbering on an IOS device
In-Reply-To: <141B7C41-4048-4B17-BB7B-AB1E556737DD@icloud.com>
References: <141B7C41-4048-4B17-BB7B-AB1E556737DD@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E073641C-7305-4AD5-838D-68168187D625@me.com>

Hi Mikayla.
Have a look on the tools button
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 1, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> 
> 
> Hello
> How do you turn off autonumbering for Pages. There are times when I do not want it to put numbers in a document for me. Thanks.
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Sun Jun  1 23:11:22 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 19:11:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS mentoring call
Message-ID: <3D375A41-12C1-4D8A-9C2C-5CAF3EDE6307@icloud.com>

Hi,
	The NABS conference call is on now. Hope you call in!
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Mon Jun  2 00:24:12 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Beth Taurasi via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:24:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!
Message-ID: <538bc42f.4f06320a.3c85.ffffff68@mx.google.com>

Hey, Doug.  Thanks.  I agree that iphones are cooler and all, but 
thy're too expensive.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "Alyssa" <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com>,"National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:47:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!

agreed with allissa.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Alyssa via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "Robin" <robin-melvin at comcast.net>; "National Association of 
Blind
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2014 5:20 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!


 Hello. I'm not an android user but I have a couple resources you 
can use.
 I know somewhere there is an android accessibility list. Search 
for eyes
 free. Eyes free also has a web site. I would be careful talking 
to sales
 reps. Many of them don't understand the accessibility features. 
I've
 personally found iPhones to be more blind friendly, but that's 
just my
 opinion. I hope this is somewhat helpful anyway.
 Alyssa

 Sent from my iPhone

 On May 31, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Robin via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 To ANSWER Call (on Android)
 Place a Finger on the TouchScreen until you HEAR TalkBack (TB) 
ANNOUCE
 "SLIDE Right To ANSWER" & simply Slide to the Right without 
lifting your
 Finger off the TouchScreen, and that should allow you to ANSWER 
providing
 you are using an Android running at Least Android KitKat (4.4 or 
Higher).

 To ENTER DIGITS while on a CALL, you must be on SpeakerPhone, 
and make
 sure the DialPad IS Checked to allow you to ENTER DIGITS, which 
you
 should HEAR a sound similar to the sound you HEAR when you ENTER 
DIGITS
 on a LandLine TelePhone.
 (simply LIFT your Finger when you HEAR the DIGIT you want to 
ENTER)

 As for scrolling, you simply move your Finger down to HEAR Items 
within
 the List, and use 2 Fingers...from the bottom of the TouchScreen 
and
 slowly Slide them upward to HEAR more items (if available within 
the
 List) This is quite difficult for me to do, but I haven't 
practiced it
 very much either.

 To LEARN TalkBack (TB) gestures
 Go into Recent Apps, Select Settings, then Select Accessibility, 
then
 Select TalkBack, then Scroll to the Bottom to Practice the 
various
 TalkBack Gestures IN the Android TalkBack Tutorial

 I HOPE this Helps

 If NOT, I suggest you GO to your Mobile Provider, and Work 
alongside a
 Tech/SalesPerson

 Sent From DROID MAX User
 At 06:01 AM 5/31/2014, you wrote:
 Dear Nabs-Sters,
 I just got a smartphone.  Yes, I swear I got a smartphone.  But 
there
 are a few quesftions I have about it:
 1. How do you answer a call with an android ZTE Prelude?  That's 
the one
 I got.
 2. How do you scroll down?
 3. How do you press numbers while the call is on and how do you 
know
 they're pressed?  I don't have a voicemail set up.
 Thank you all, and email me off list if you'd like.
 Beth Taurasi

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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Mon Jun  2 00:24:10 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Beth Taurasi via nabs-l)
Date: Sun, 01 Jun 2014 18:24:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!
Message-ID: <538bc42c.4f06320a.3c85.ffffff64@mx.google.com>

That's ok.  I've heard of Eyes Free, and I'm going to look in to 
resources.  Thanks, Alysssa, for your help.  Robin, I thought Ice 
Cream Sandwich had the answer feature.
Beth

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Robin <robin-melvin at comcast.net>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 1 Jun 2014 17:20:21 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] calling all android users, please!

Hello. I'm not an android user but I have a couple resources you 
can use. I know somewhere there is an android accessibility list. 
Search for eyes free. Eyes free also has a web site. I would be 
careful talking to sales reps. Many of them don't understand the 
accessibility features. I've personally found iPhones to be more 
blind friendly, but that's just my opinion. I hope this is 
somewhat helpful anyway.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

 On May 31, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Robin via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 To ANSWER Call (on Android)
 Place a Finger on the TouchScreen until you HEAR TalkBack (TB) 
ANNOUCE "SLIDE Right To ANSWER" & simply Slide to the Right 
without lifting your Finger off the TouchScreen, and that should 
allow you to ANSWER providing you are using an Android running at 
Least Android KitKat (4.4 or Higher).

 To ENTER DIGITS while on a CALL, you must be on SpeakerPhone, 
and make sure the DialPad IS Checked to allow you to ENTER 
DIGITS, which you should HEAR a sound similar to the sound you 
HEAR when you ENTER DIGITS on a LandLine TelePhone.
 (simply LIFT your Finger when you HEAR the DIGIT you want to 
ENTER)

 As for scrolling, you simply move your Finger down to HEAR Items 
within the List, and use 2 Fingers...from the bottom of the 
TouchScreen and slowly Slide them upward to HEAR more items (if 
available within the List) This is quite difficult for me to do, 
but I haven't practiced it very much either.

 To LEARN TalkBack (TB) gestures
 Go into Recent Apps, Select Settings, then Select Accessibility, 
then Select TalkBack, then Scroll to the Bottom to Practice the 
various TalkBack Gestures IN the Android TalkBack Tutorial

 I HOPE this Helps

 If NOT, I suggest you GO to your Mobile Provider, and Work 
alongside a Tech/SalesPerson

 Sent From DROID MAX User
 At 06:01 AM 5/31/2014, you wrote:
 Dear Nabs-Sters,
 I just got a smartphone.  Yes, I swear I got a smartphone.  But 
there are a few quesftions I have about it:
 1. How do you answer a call with an android ZTE Prelude?  That's 
the one I got.
 2. How do you scroll down?
 3. How do you press numbers while the call is on and how do you 
know they're pressed?  I don't have a voicemail set up.
 Thank you all, and email me off list if you'd like.
 Beth Taurasi

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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Mon Jun  2 17:44:48 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Mariya Vasileva via nabs-l)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 13:44:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hey
In-Reply-To: <CCC677D8-E150-455B-B249-42605CCE54D4@gmail.com>
References: <CCC677D8-E150-455B-B249-42605CCE54D4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+D3vOTh-LFEf6-3Qthx9N7UG19X01kbDwr9yjuWMiPoPWmLWg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey, um teenois said that you and Katy and I can use the already
reserved room that he paid for. He said that it won't affect the
charge or cost of anything. I will let Katy no of this information.
Thanks.

On 5/22/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey
> My name is shikha and i am from georgia
> i am looking for two more girls to room with me at national convention
> I have already booked a room
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
> Shikha.
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Mon Jun  2 23:41:08 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (via nabs-l)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 19:41:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to use the What's App ap on my iPhone
Message-ID: <468EBBDC3C7F420483152187D8A10567@Helga>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you use the What's App ap on your iPhone? I actually downloaded it into my iPhone, but I really don't know how to use it. In fact, I was exploring it, and I figure out how to text, but I don't know how to listen to  a voice message that someone leaves me, or how to leave a voice message to someone. If you use  it, could you send me some steps in order to  know how to use it? I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
 


Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Mon Jun  2 23:49:00 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l)
Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2014 19:49:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to use the What's App ap on my iPhone
In-Reply-To: <468EBBDC3C7F420483152187D8A10567@Helga>
References: <468EBBDC3C7F420483152187D8A10567@Helga>
Message-ID: <795776A0-EE72-4CD0-96FF-7AC82953C52F@me.com>

Hi Helga.
To send someone a voice message, go to their chat, find the voice message button, double tap and hold. This means, double tap, but on your second tap, hold your finger. You'll hear a beep, you can speak for up to 10 minutes, then release the button.
To listen to a voice message, find the voice message 
and double tap it.
HTH.Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 2, 2014, at 7:41 PM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you use the What's App ap on your iPhone? I actually downloaded it into my iPhone, but I really don't know how to use it. In fact, I was exploring it, and I figure out how to text, but I don't know how to listen to  a voice message that someone leaves me, or how to leave a voice message to someone. If you use  it, could you send me some steps in order to  know how to use it? I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
> 
> 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 00:13:48 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (via nabs-l)
Date: Mon, 2 Jun 2014 20:13:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fw: Video game accessibility for the blind
Message-ID: <D12D30DABED648E99259844C5995DD51@Helga>

Change.org Responsive Template BaselineHi all! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that here is something that I think you might find interesting! I just wanted to ask you, what do you think of this idea of having  a video games for the blind? I’m just curious! to hear what’s your opinion about this! I actually think this sounds like a great idea! In fact, I think all of us should support this idea by sighning this student petition! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! 

Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 



From: Change.org 
Sent: Saturday, May 31, 2014 2:12 PM
To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Subject: Video game accessibility for the blind

                    
                                
                                
                             
                       
                          
                          
                 
                    
                        Helga - There's a new petition taking off on Change.org, and we think you might be interested in signing it:  
                 
                    
                                
                                  
                                  
                                Nintendo: Make your 3DS game console accessible by people who are blind by incorporating a screen reader application into the system menu software  
                                  
                                By James Chambers  
                                College Station, Texas  
                                 
                                  
                                  
                                  
                                 Sign James' Petition  
                                   
                                  
                                 
                                  
                             
                              I am starting this petition to encourage Nintendo to make the 3DS handheld game console usable by people who are blind. As a blind gamer myself, I experience first-hand the feeling of segregation that the lack of accessibility brings. The 3DS console has many online features that sighted people can either use or disregard at their leisure. For blind people, it is a different matter entirely. I couldn't even set up my console without the assistance of a sighted friend. The utter lack of access means that I cannot use the Nintendo EShop to download or purchase content, nor can I access the multitude of other online services that other 3DS owners enjoy without a second thought. Why should I be cut off from being able to access about 80% of what the 3DS has to offer, just because I cannot see?

                              I am able to use an iPhone, Mac and Windows PCs of all sorts, Google's Android devices, and even Amazon's Kindle apps and hardware products as effectively and easily as everyone else. Thus, I am of the belief that Nintendo has no excuse not to make their console accessible to blind people, and from a company who prides itself on the idea of "fun for all," it seems contradictory, unless blind people are excluded from "everyone."

                              From a business perspective, making the 3DS console accessible to the blind means that you open up at least twelve million more potential customers. Apple's Mac and iOS devices have enjoyed a significant boost in sales, ever since the introduction of their VoiceOver screen reader and Zoom screen magnification features. Blind people want to enjoy these mainstream products equally as much as everyone else.



                              Please support this petition, and urge Nintendo to make good on their word, and allow blind people to take part in the "fun for all." After all, we are blind, and we deserve to play too.
                             
                       
                                
                              Sign James' Petition  
                       
                 
                    
                    
                    
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 18:03:51 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:03:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
Message-ID: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>

Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from 
those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I 
had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I 
enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How 
did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help 
you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell 
me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to 
hear from you soon.


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 18:32:34 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Shikha via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:32:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
In-Reply-To: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
References: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <66F06DE6-A3D9-4414-91FD-21D2CFD3539D@gmail.com>

My name is Shikha and i graduated from louisiana center for the blind   It was a great experience and a lot of hard work   I made a lot of friends and i took my clothes and bathroom supplies and kitchen items   I was scared on my first day, but every one is comforting just like a family. 
  

Shikha. 

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 18:41:25 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Shikha via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:41:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
In-Reply-To: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
References: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3C5A8187-7AFF-40FB-A4FA-58C375FFC6F7@gmail.com>

This is shikha again from georgia   I took a tour of louisiana center during my spring break of my senior year because i was able to go to training after my senior year of high school   My favorite class was cooking and travel   I loved all of the barbecues that we did on every special occasion   I also loved the potlocks that we had once a month  

Shikha. 

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 18:51:07 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 14:51:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
In-Reply-To: <3C5A8187-7AFF-40FB-A4FA-58C375FFC6F7@gmail.com>
References: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
	<3C5A8187-7AFF-40FB-A4FA-58C375FFC6F7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CE045C5E-5CEC-4A3E-B3C3-C01A8783D25F@gmail.com>

How long did you stay for?

Amanda

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is shikha again from georgia   I took a tour of louisiana center during my spring break of my senior year because i was able to go to training after my senior year of high school   My favorite class was cooking and travel   I loved all of the barbecues that we did on every special occasion   I also loved the potlocks that we had once a month  
> 
> Shikha. 
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Tue Jun  3 21:18:48 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (David Andrews via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2014 16:18:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New Accessible Apps releases
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 00:20:35 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Kayleigh Joiner via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 19:20:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show
Message-ID: <CAAQMvFC8qXzXr6mq1EBf_KvBjeW7ACu22YsNx0+hvwe0eABBWQ@mail.gmail.com>

*Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?*

*Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!*

*We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
are now being accepted for children preschool through college.*


Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida
When: Wed., July 2, 2014
Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)
Room: To Be Announced

Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?

The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.

Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.com with your child’s name and parent’s
cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
Apply early to reserve your child’s spot!

*Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!

Regards,
Kim Cunningham
2nd VP, NOPBC
Cell 713-501-9659
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 03:04:05 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:04:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Thoughts on improving online services
References: <GKEDKNGOCKBNNKBNIIJPIEACCAAA.freethaught@gmail.com>
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Hello to the NABS list,

the issues with learning ally are not new. Here is a letter I sent to a few Learning Ally staff over two years ago.

I suggest the NABS board take this up with Learning Ally since there seems to be a systemic problem with access for blind users.

I personally do not wish to take on a role in approaching the company since I no longer use their services. And you wonder why I would not use their books.

Antonio

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Antonio Guimaraes" <freethaught at gmail.com>
> Subject: Thoughts on improving online services
> Date: January 3, 2012 at 12:23:43 PM EST
> To: <pberan at learningally.org>, <sturner at learningally.org>
> Reply-To: <freethaught at gmail.com>
> 
> Dear Peter Beran,
> 
> I am a blind user of Learning Ally services.
> 
> I have spent quite a bi of time trying to download Learning Ally books
> online and have found it nearly impossible to locate, install, and use the
> new book shelf software.
> 
> Several blind users have reported similar experiences downloading books.
> 
> Here are some thoughts on how the online Ally experience could improve for
> the blind in my perpercive.
> 
> 
> 
> Carly and others,
> 
> I am downloading Ally books as we speak, but not after great lengths to
> find, install, and use the new Book Shelf manager.
> 
> The Ally site, more specifically the my bookshelf section, is flawed at its
> design. I have heard from a few very computer-savvy blind users that have
> had issues with the site and can not download books.
> 
> Some user finding from my surveyal on Learning Ally are as follows:
> 
> 1. They still list the old download manager on the page for PC and Mac.
> 
> 2. Books on the book shelf are nearly impossible to download from the combo
> boxes provided. I've heard reports from users who have been able to
> download, but only after trial and error, and more trial, and frustration
> playing with the combo boxes provided.
> 
> 3. The new download manager is provided on the my bookshelf page, but as
> others here can attest to, the site design is not intuitive, making it
> difficult to locate the book shelf software, and the site an unfriendly
> environment for screen reader users.
> 
> My suggestions are as follows: I write them here to jot down my thoughts to
> list readers, and later forward them to the appropriate LA staff.
> 
> 1. Provide a link to download each book on the book shelf for users who
> choose to use the old manager.
> 
> 2. Remove the old manager from the page to encourage and guide users to what
> will hopefully be a simple and usable experience downloading and cyncing to
> one's chosen player.
> 
> 3. Consulting with a group of blind users to maintain optimal screen reader
> access for the blind. This was obviously overlooked in the past few months.
> 
> 4. Provide documentation for use of site and download manager features for
> everyone.
> 
> These are my thoughts,
> 
> Antonio
> 


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 03:11:04 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:11:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
Message-ID: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes ago.

O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.

I’d appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on list to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox under Mac mail.

Thanks for your help,

Antonio

From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 03:26:17 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Lillie Pennington via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:26:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
In-Reply-To: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4DF85B4-B54B-449D-A420-490ED128E1AB@fuse.net>

Got it. It may be something in your email sett

Sent from my iPhonw

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes ago.
> 
> O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.
> 
> I’d appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on list to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox under Mac mail.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Antonio
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 03:27:36 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Merlyn Hileman via nabs-l)
Date: Tue, 3 Jun 2014 23:27:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
In-Reply-To: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
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Hi,
Your message came through, as did your message from a few minutes ago. 
I see both in my email.

Merlyn Hileman


-----Original Message-----
From: Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Jun 3, 2014 10:11 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list

Hi all,

I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes 
ago.

O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.

I’d appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on list 
to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox under Mac 
mail.

Thanks for your help,

Antonio
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 11:18:35 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 07:18:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
In-Reply-To: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95D8DE90-CAA9-41EB-95CA-BDADCE70D802@gmail.com>

I received your message. It may have to do with the new NFB-Net settings, but I don't know for sure. Perhaps you might want to check your subscriber settings on the Web site.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 11:11 PM, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes ago.
> 
> O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.
> 
> I’d appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on list to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox under Mac mail.
> 
> Thanks for your help,
> 
> Antonio
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 12:29:49 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 05:29:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
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	<CALAYQJC2Z_eQPAHzBh+r+a0hgesM_b7JCZL_eTLTVGbu4rv9iQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Good morning, everyone,

If it works for you, doesn't matter what others say. And, don't be 
afraid of fire for, if you learn (usually by means of trial&error) to 
handle fire, any apprehension slowly evaporates. For me, this came 
upon my smoking. It is throu gh such means that I learned about 
matches and yes, the lighter was air! 01:04 AM 11/12/2013, justin 
williams wrote:
>I prefer a lighter; but I'm sure some of you guys will call that cheating.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:03 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
>
>I find that most of my candles come in some kind of glass jar that can be
>very helpful in giving me a point of reference.  Like Arielle said, I put my
>hand up to the match to make sure it is burning strongly and then find the
>jar with my other hand.  I then put the lit match down into the jar and
>"feel" around for the wick with the lit end of the match.  As far as I can
>tell, running the lit match over the surface of the wax does no harm and
>eventually I find the wick.  I hold the match there for about 3 seconds and
>then remove it.  I place my hand several inches above the candle to see if I
>lit it and then just blow out the match.  The bowl of water is probably a
>good idea but I generally just hold the match for 15 or 20 seconds, long
>enough for it to cool, before setting it down or throwing it away.
>
>Maybe that's not the best method but it has worked for me.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Lora,
> >
> > From what I remember, I first lit the match and listened for the crack
> > sound and also put my other hand a few feet away to check for warmth
> > coming from the match. I then used my other hand to feel for the base
> > of the candle, put the match up to the candle wick and would wait a
> > few seconds, move the match away and feel with my other hand above the
> > candle to see if there was heat coming up from it. It was a bit of
> > trial and error to see when the candle was lit, and perhaps others
> > with more experience have better suggestions for that. The main
> > nonvisual trick I was taught was for putting out the matches. I was
> > taught to drop them into a bowl of water so I didn't accidentally put
> > a lit match down onto something else that could burn. I admit I have
> > not practiced it much since getting out of the center but I think it
> > is safe and effective as long as you keep the space clear of clutter,
> > take your time and use the bowl of water. I also tried unsuccessfully
> > once to light a lighter. I thought that was really difficult but that
> > was more because I have fine motor issues than because of blindness. I
> > am curious if others have found good techniques for lighters. However,
> > I don't think the lighter gives off as much heat as a match so it is
> > probably harder to tell when it is lit if you have no vision. I would
> > recommend sticking with matches, and using long ones in case it takes
> > a while to get the candle to light. Best of luck!
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 11/11/13, ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Don't remember who said this, but what are your suggestions as far as
> >> lighting candles non-visually? My Center basically told me not to do it.
> >>
> >> Lora
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
> >>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bridgit,
> >>> I know options are not as readily available. That is why I asked rj
> >>> if this lady had looked at other options.
> >>> I am fully aware that options are scarce. In VA, you either go to
> >>> the center or receive field training which is so infrequent that it
> >>> will not help much.
> >>>
> >>> I believe we need other options. If you have children or care for
> >>> parents or something family related, its very hard to leave and go to
>training.
> >>>
> >>> I wish there were more day centers for people to go to and then they
> >>> can take care of business after training at night.
> >>> I think its terrible about the funding. Yes, I know that vr does not
> >>> fund training for seniors and those with no employment goal.
> >>>
> >>> In my state, we have terrible services for home based service.
> >>> You can go to the state residential center in richmond va.
> >>> But, if you cannot, or such center does not meet your needs, little
> >>> options exist. Every office has field staff, but their caseloads are
> >>> way, way too high.
> >>> We have home based O&M and rehab teachers.
> >>> However, they  come so in frequently that little learning can occur.
> >>> I think a volunteer system is an excellent idea.
> >>> We actually have that for technology training. Those in the DC area
> >>> meaning DC, northern VA, and MD have the opportunity to partake in
> >>> assistive technology training at the Martin Luther King library in
> >>> DC on G street. But this means they have to have transportation
> >>> there and be willing to get out of the house which some newly blind
> >>> people are not able or willing to do and if you're sick, well that
> >>> is an issue too.
> >>> So, those who can go to the MLK library can participate in volunteer
> >>> assistive tech training.
> >>> They can learn jaws, Zoomtext, braille notetakers, scanners, and
> >>> talking book players.
> >>> Additionally, the MLK library offers a IOS training on certain tuesdays.
> >>> You can have training on the apple devices or even android now.
> >>> Android is very new and they have few volunteers for that.
> >>>
> >>> If that wasn't enough, the MLK library also offers technology camps
> >>> for youth, or at least they used to.
> >>> They offer a braille book club on one Saturday a month. Also, they
> >>> offer seminars on technology and recreation for those who are
> >>> hearing impaired or vision impaired; separate seminars since our
> >>> needs are different and these are free.
> >>> I am quite upset that funding is not available for services from the
> >>> dc lighthouse in my county, yet in the next county it is.
> >>> I want to partake in some advanced computer training from the
> >>> columbia lighthouse for the blind.
> >>> But no funding is covered in my area and it would leave me paying
> >>> out of pocket.
> >>>
> >>> I wish more volunteer programs existed like at MLK library for other
> >>> areas of life like teaching braille.
> >>> Totally good points. I'm glad you
> >>> healed and were able to attend the iowa center.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 5:20 PM
> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
> >>>
> >>> Ashley,
> >>>
> >>> The options aren't as readily available as you present here. This is
> >>> a major obstacle for pretty much all training centers, and this
> >>> includes the NFB centers.
> >>>
> >>> Bottom line, if you can't attend in-house training, or at least
> >>> attend as a day student every day for the duration of the 6 to 9
> >>> months, most are out of luck. And finding a two-day or weekend
> >>> program isn't enough to teach the skills. These are just
> >>> introductory programs to allow people the opportunity to see what
> >>> training would be like. And other institutions aren't equipped to
> >>> provide the kind of home training you suggest or even offer day
>programs.
> >>>
> >>> The biggest issue is funding, and a little secret, the government
> >>> doesn't want to pay for training for seniors or stay-at-home parents
> >>> or the sick because they are determined unemployable, and therefore
> >>> will not put money back into the system. This is the reality for any
> >>> agency working with people with disabilities.
> >>>
> >>> Bridgit
> >>> Message: 15
> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:18:55 -0500
> >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: <tyler at tysdomain.com>, "National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
> >>> Message-ID: <A6CA2458FE0047ABAFE10E060C7CA7BC at OwnerPC>
> >>> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> >>> reply-type=response
> >>>
> >>> Tyler,
> >>> No its not an issue with training centers. If people cannot go to
> >>> one due to circumstances, that does not invalidate the work the
> >>> center does.
> >>> It just shows more options need to be available. I'd like to see
> >>> more home based teaching where a teacher comes to your home to teach
> >>> you privately
> >>>
> >>> using your own equipment and marking them if needed.
> >>>
> >>> Rj, your friend should look at other options. Has she asked about
> >>> receiving services from her vr agency?
> >>> They may contract with itenerant O&M and rehab teaching specialists
> >>> who can help her at home.
> >>> Has she investigated community options such as a lighthouse? If she
> >>> lives in NC, there is the Metrolina Association for the blind; if in
> >>> GA, there are two day centers such as the Center for the visually
> >>> impaired in Atlanta.
> >>> Those are just a few examples. TThere may be options. You just have
> >>> to find them.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>>
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 13:59:53 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 09:59:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
In-Reply-To: <CE045C5E-5CEC-4A3E-B3C3-C01A8783D25F@gmail.com>
References: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
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I attended the Colorado Center for the blind. The length of your program Canberry; depending on how fast you learn, etc. they usually last 6 to 9 months. my program lasted nine months. When I went to Colorado, I took close some bathroom stuff, my accessibility tools, such as a Slayton stylus, and my electronics, phone, brill note, laptop, Victor Stream

Tom Brown
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:51 PM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How long did you stay for?
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> This is shikha again from georgia   I took a tour of louisiana center during my spring break of my senior year because i was able to go to training after my senior year of high school   My favorite class was cooking and travel   I loved all of the barbecues that we did on every special occasion   I also loved the potlocks that we had once a month  
>> 
>> Shikha. 
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 15:56:23 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 11:56:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
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I have a friend who is beginning his training at LCB this week. According to him, he had to bring with him all necessary appli_es with which to furnish his apartment. All that was there was a bed, couch and refrigerator. He had to bring all cookware, sheets, toiletries, etc. I believe there are packing lists available on the Web sites of the training centers. Did anyone who went to the Louisiana Center have the same experience?

Chris Nusbaum

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> On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:59 AM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I attended the Colorado Center for the blind. The length of your program Canberry; depending on how fast you learn, etc. they usually last 6 to 9 months. my program lasted nine months. When I went to Colorado, I took close some bathroom stuff, my accessibility tools, such as a Slayton stylus, and my electronics, phone, brill note, laptop, Victor Stream
> 
> Tom Brown
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:51 PM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> How long did you stay for?
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is shikha again from georgia   I took a tour of louisiana center during my spring break of my senior year because i was able to go to training after my senior year of high school   My favorite class was cooking and travel   I loved all of the barbecues that we did on every special occasion   I also loved the potlocks that we had once a month  
>>> 
>>> Shikha. 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 15:59:51 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 11:59:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Students and the Nfb Training Centers
In-Reply-To: <7C82FFF0-CD74-441D-8507-EBE6EE8FA845@gmail.com>
References: <538e0e3e.a2deec0a.3e20.2eb9@mx.google.com>
	<3C5A8187-7AFF-40FB-A4FA-58C375FFC6F7@gmail.com>
	<CE045C5E-5CEC-4A3E-B3C3-C01A8783D25F@gmail.com>
	<1EA533A0-5D2A-45EE-98DB-8F9C69616B2F@gmail.com>
	<7C82FFF0-CD74-441D-8507-EBE6EE8FA845@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62C4F719-3DF3-4112-839B-5DD0F1494FC8@me.com>

When I was at CCB, all we had to bring were clothes.
All the necessary items were provided for us in the apartment
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 4, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I have a friend who is beginning his training at LCB this week. According to him, he had to bring with him all necessary appli_es with which to furnish his apartment. All that was there was a bed, couch and refrigerator. He had to bring all cookware, sheets, toiletries, etc. I believe there are packing lists available on the Web sites of the training centers. Did anyone who went to the Louisiana Center have the same experience?
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 9:59 AM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I attended the Colorado Center for the blind. The length of your program Canberry; depending on how fast you learn, etc. they usually last 6 to 9 months. my program lasted nine months. When I went to Colorado, I took close some bathroom stuff, my accessibility tools, such as a Slayton stylus, and my electronics, phone, brill note, laptop, Victor Stream
>> 
>> Tom Brown
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:51 PM, via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> How long did you stay for?
>>> 
>>> Amanda
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:41 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is shikha again from georgia   I took a tour of louisiana center during my spring break of my senior year because i was able to go to training after my senior year of high school   My favorite class was cooking and travel   I loved all of the barbecues that we did on every special occasion   I also loved the potlocks that we had once a month  
>>>> 
>>>> Shikha. 
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 3, 2014, at 2:03 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hey Nabs Family hope you are doing well.  I want to hear from those of you who have been to the Nfb training centers.  Today I had the chance to read the Summer issue of Future Reflections.  I enjoyed the three articles about the Nfb training centers.  How did you prepare to attend? What did your familyies do to help you? What did you take with you when you went there? Can you tell me some of your favoite stories about your time there? Hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 18:14:14 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (David Dunphy via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 14:14:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voices New And Old On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <95D8DE90-CAA9-41EB-95CA-BDADCE70D802@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
	<95D8DE90-CAA9-41EB-95CA-BDADCE70D802@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <538F61F6.1040505@gmail.com>

Hi All!
The power of the human voice invades Cyber Space tonight, as A Cappellas 
Anonymous rocks out on The Bell from 7 to 10PM eastern time!
Hear some newly acquired music, take a listen to a new artist I've 
discovered Peter Yang, hear some groups that are very popular that I 
play, and more.
Also, in honor of talk about the swift programming language from Apple, 
you'll hear a Taylor Swift a cappella cover comparison, plus a song in 
Spanish and Hebrew.

During the show, you can contact me via Skype at
daviddunphyradio
via telephone at
516 945 9165
or via twitter at
crazyyetfun2014
to make requests or say hi.
And be sure to tune in at
http://the-bell.net/listen
We won't be ringing bells tonight, but great a cappella music will be 
heard, so be sure to tune in for your a cappella fix! See you tonight!


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 18:30:12 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 14:30:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voices New And Old On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <538F61F6.1040505@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>	<95D8DE90-CAA9-41EB-95CA-BDADCE70D802@gmail.com>
	<538F61F6.1040505@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <538F65B4.2040900@tysdomain.com>

I thought your radio show died a horrible death the third time? Could 
you possibly just create a list and not spam nabs-l with your radio show 
info? It would be greatly appreciated.
On 6/4/2014 2:14 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi All!
> The power of the human voice invades Cyber Space tonight, as A 
> Cappellas Anonymous rocks out on The Bell from 7 to 10PM eastern time!
> Hear some newly acquired music, take a listen to a new artist I've 
> discovered Peter Yang, hear some groups that are very popular that I 
> play, and more.
> Also, in honor of talk about the swift programming language from 
> Apple, you'll hear a Taylor Swift a cappella cover comparison, plus a 
> song in Spanish and Hebrew.
>
> During the show, you can contact me via Skype at
> daviddunphyradio
> via telephone at
> 516 945 9165
> or via twitter at
> crazyyetfun2014
> to make requests or say hi.
> And be sure to tune in at
> http://the-bell.net/listen
> We won't be ringing bells tonight, but great a cappella music will be 
> heard, so be sure to tune in for your a cappella fix! See you tonight!
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 23:12:29 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Vejas via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 04 Jun 2014 16:12:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] icloud
Message-ID: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I have a question.  I have an iCloud 1conount.  I was wondering 
how you can set it up with the braille-note, like what the POP 
and SMTP settings are.
Thanks for your help,
Vejas


From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 23:22:06 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 17:22:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] icloud
In-Reply-To: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
References: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D3166D0E-6F1F-44CA-99C5-501AA3AD1B9C@gmail.com>

As far as I know, that's combination is not possible.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 17:12, Vejas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I have a question.  I have an iCloud 1conount.  I was wondering how you can set it up with the braille-note, like what the POP and SMTP settings are.
> Thanks for your help,
> Vejas
> 
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From nabs-l at nfbnet.org  Wed Jun  4 23:35:01 2014
From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org (Alyssa via nabs-l)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 18:35:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] icloud
In-Reply-To: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
References: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <FBFB104B-CE78-4CCB-A163-5693B8DDBEE2@gmail.com>

If it is possible, the POp should be pop at icloud.com and the SMTP would be smtp at icloud.com. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of all the authentication numbers.
Alyssa

Ps, I attended buddy camp with you about 6 years ago.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Vejas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I have a question.  I have an iCloud 1conount.  I was wondering how you can set it up with the braille-note, like what the POP and SMTP settings are.
> Thanks for your help,
> Vejas
> 
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 01:52:38 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Wed, 4 Jun 2014 21:52:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voices New And Old On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <538F65B4.2040900@tysdomain.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
	<95D8DE90-CAA9-41EB-95CA-BDADCE70D802@gmail.com>
	<538F61F6.1040505@gmail.com> <538F65B4.2040900@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4TUc41PDMQ89tmLOGxuSO+JRzQnViomO4U0WCY4kCQgw@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with both of you. I am an avid fan of David Dunphy Radio, could you
please try to work out the technical difficulties you are having tonight? I
think and feel that the weather is causing a great deal of outages
throughout the tri-state area.


On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I thought your radio show died a horrible death the third time? Could you
> possibly just create a list and not spam nabs-l with your radio show info?
> It would be greatly appreciated.
>
> On 6/4/2014 2:14 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l wrote:
>
>> Hi All!
>> The power of the human voice invades Cyber Space tonight, as A Cappellas
>> Anonymous rocks out on The Bell from 7 to 10PM eastern time!
>> Hear some newly acquired music, take a listen to a new artist I've
>> discovered Peter Yang, hear some groups that are very popular that I play,
>> and more.
>> Also, in honor of talk about the swift programming language from Apple,
>> you'll hear a Taylor Swift a cappella cover comparison, plus a song in
>> Spanish and Hebrew.
>>
>> During the show, you can contact me via Skype at
>> daviddunphyradio
>> via telephone at
>> 516 945 9165
>> or via twitter at
>> crazyyetfun2014
>> to make requests or say hi.
>> And be sure to tune in at
>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>> We won't be ringing bells tonight, but great a cappella music will be
>> heard, so be sure to tune in for your a cappella fix! See you tonight!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 11:59:49 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 07:59:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
Message-ID: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>

Good Morning Everyone,

I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and that those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are overcoming it or at least trying to.

So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told that there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI does not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the chemistry code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I learn the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind? My concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with a very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate any and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the associated Braille code.

Thanks in advance,
Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 12:59:50 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 08:59:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For the National Convention
Message-ID: <539069ff.88fab60a.188f.1944@mx.google.com>

Hi does anyone if the national convention will be streamthe? I'd 
like to listen to some of the general sessions.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 13:10:01 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 06:10:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For the National Convention
In-Reply-To: <539069ff.88fab60a.188f.1944@mx.google.com>
References: <539069ff.88fab60a.188f.1944@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D700F5FA-65F5-4C8C-AAE5-904D4E91F897@gmail.com>

The general sessions of the convention, banquet and the meeting of the Board of Directors are typically streamed

Information on streaming is typically made available in the coming weeks. So, I would hold tight for a couple more weeks. It will hit the list soon.
  Darian. 

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 5:59 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi does anyone if the national convention will be streamthe? I'd like to listen to some of the general sessions.
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 13:26:34 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 09:26:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
Message-ID: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>

Dear Nabs Members,

I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of 
the month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the 
accommodations that I have for the classroom setting is to use my 
IPad Mini to record lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps 
that I can download for recording lectures?


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Jun  5 13:44:41 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 09:44:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about drop box
Message-ID: <00d201cf80c4$4d673af0$e835b0d0$@net>

Hi Everyone

 

I use drop box to receive electronic copies of my school files. I need to
get access to this drop box so that I can access my textbooks for my summer
assignments. My braillests like to start a new folder for every school year.
I was trying to get access to the drop box folder that they were putting
files in before the end of the school year, but the one who was managing the
drop box folder would not invite me until yesterday. Now I am in a
predicament because I am not sure if I will be able to get a hold of either
of them, and I would like to get this taken care of by myself and soon
anyway. 

 

I got the email notification that the folder had been shared with me. When I
went to the website to accept it, I clicked on the notification, and the
files displayed. However, there was no invitation to accept the join
request. This makes me think that perhaps I have access to view the files,
but that whatever invite was sent to me would not let me  have full access
to the folder. Can this happen through drop box? And if so, how can I get
full access to the folder? I know I can probably download the files from the
web onto my computer and then put them onto my sd card, but it would be
easier for me if I could just copy the file from my computer onto the sd
card and skip the step. 

 

Thank you for any help.

Lillie


From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 13:44:56 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 09:44:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>
References: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Roanna
I have an IPhone and I'm using voice memos, built in my phone. I
believe IPad has it as well. It's pretty easy to use. Only important
point is, if you get a call the recording stops. But IPad  is better
for this, since you won't have calls on it.
If you have further questions please ask
good luck with the course.

2014-06-05 9:26 GMT-04:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Dear Nabs Members,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of
> the month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the
> accommodations that I have for the classroom setting is to use my
> IPad Mini to record lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps
> that I can download for recording lectures?
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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Counselor Traınee- Xavier University

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 13:53:54 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 09:53:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about drop box
In-Reply-To: <00d201cf80c4$4d673af0$e835b0d0$@net>
References: <00d201cf80c4$4d673af0$e835b0d0$@net>
Message-ID: <002CAA23-897D-450F-8476-57AD74381C42@gmail.com>

I think the folder's administrator clicked on the wrong thing. The "share" feature only allows you to see files which have already been uploaded to that folder. You need the manager to click on "invite to folder." This will give you full access.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone
> 
> 
> 
> I use drop box to receive electronic copies of my school files. I need to
> get access to this drop box so that I can access my textbooks for my summer
> assignments. My braillests like to start a new folder for every school year.
> I was trying to get access to the drop box folder that they were putting
> files in before the end of the school year, but the one who was managing the
> drop box folder would not invite me until yesterday. Now I am in a
> predicament because I am not sure if I will be able to get a hold of either
> of them, and I would like to get this taken care of by myself and soon
> anyway. 
> 
> 
> 
> I got the email notification that the folder had been shared with me. When I
> went to the website to accept it, I clicked on the notification, and the
> files displayed. However, there was no invitation to accept the join
> request. This makes me think that perhaps I have access to view the files,
> but that whatever invite was sent to me would not let me  have full access
> to the folder. Can this happen through drop box? And if so, how can I get
> full access to the folder? I know I can probably download the files from the
> web onto my computer and then put them onto my sd card, but it would be
> easier for me if I could just copy the file from my computer onto the sd
> card and skip the step. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for any help.
> 
> Lillie
> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Jun  5 14:04:08 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:04:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
References: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>

Hi Chris
I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told me that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the electronic copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are similar.
There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes that I did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all of the symbols I needed to know.
Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
Hth

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good Morning Everyone,
> 
> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and that those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are overcoming it or at least trying to.
> 
> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told that there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI does not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the chemistry code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I learn the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind? My concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with a very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate any and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the associated Braille code.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 14:08:48 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:08:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
Message-ID: <53907a2a.8310b60a.1f9c.2553@mx.google.com>

Hi Lillie hope you are doing well.  When I took Chemistry in high 
school my TVI embossed the graphs for me.  They ordered a 
periodic table in Braille for me to use in the classroom.  I 
don't think there is any way to draw atoms.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 14:16:11 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 10:16:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
Message-ID: <53907be4.084eb60a.18b8.221d@mx.google.com>

Hi Lillie I have a question for you.  How's the situation with 
your TVI going? I remember the thread that you sttted a while 
ago.


From djackson at BISM.org  Thu Jun  5 14:17:58 2014
From: djackson at BISM.org (Dezman Jackson)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:17:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <53907a2a.8310b60a.1f9c.2553@mx.google.com>
References: <53907a2a.8310b60a.1f9c.2553@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E700454D-2D18-4AE0-93DB-1835BD793A5C@BISM.org>

The Nemeth Code covers both math and math-based sciences like chemistry and physics. Therefore, any technical material in your textbook would be written Nemeth and typically there is a transcriber's page at the beginning of each volume detailing which special symbols are used. 

Kindest regards,

Dezman Jackson, M.A., NOMC
Lead Rehabilitation Instructor and Orientation and Mobility Specialist
Blind Industries and Services of Maryland
3345 Washington Blvd
Baltimore, MD 21227
Office: 410-737-2676
Mobile: 251-689-4623
Fax: 410-737-2689
djackson at bism.org

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:12 AM, "Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Lillie hope you are doing well.  When I took Chemistry in high school my TVI embossed the graphs for me.  They ordered a periodic table in Braille for me to use in the classroom.  I don't think there is any way to draw atoms.
> 
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 14:48:39 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:48:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about drop box
In-Reply-To: <00d201cf80c4$4d673af0$e835b0d0$@net>
References: <00d201cf80c4$4d673af0$e835b0d0$@net>
Message-ID: <D8B35C57-973C-45F9-8F76-E230DBE9DEA5@gmail.com>

I’m not sure if the dropbox interface has changed recently because I haven’t used it a lot, but yesterday I got a notification that a folder had been shared with me. When I went to the website, it listed the files in the folder but above the link there was a download option. When I clicked on it, it asked if I wanted to download these files into my dropbox on all my devices. I said yes and it worked like normal. You should be able to do that and then just copy the files from your computer to your SD card. 


On Jun 5, 2014, at 9:44 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone
> 
> 
> 
> I use drop box to receive electronic copies of my school files. I need to
> get access to this drop box so that I can access my textbooks for my summer
> assignments. My braillests like to start a new folder for every school year.
> I was trying to get access to the drop box folder that they were putting
> files in before the end of the school year, but the one who was managing the
> drop box folder would not invite me until yesterday. Now I am in a
> predicament because I am not sure if I will be able to get a hold of either
> of them, and I would like to get this taken care of by myself and soon
> anyway. 
> 
> 
> 
> I got the email notification that the folder had been shared with me. When I
> went to the website to accept it, I clicked on the notification, and the
> files displayed. However, there was no invitation to accept the join
> request. This makes me think that perhaps I have access to view the files,
> but that whatever invite was sent to me would not let me  have full access
> to the folder. Can this happen through drop box? And if so, how can I get
> full access to the folder? I know I can probably download the files from the
> web onto my computer and then put them onto my sd card, but it would be
> easier for me if I could just copy the file from my computer onto the sd
> card and skip the step. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for any help.
> 
> Lillie
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 15:53:21 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 11:53:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>
References: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
	<3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <9C63179D-E071-4B7D-9879-3946E83339B9@gmail.com>

Hi,
I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so that shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
Hope that helps,
Aleeha

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris
> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told me that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the electronic copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are similar.
> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes that I did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all of the symbols I needed to know.
> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
> Hth
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good Morning Everyone,
>> 
>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and that those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are overcoming it or at least trying to.
>> 
>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told that there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI does not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the chemistry code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I learn the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind? My concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with a very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate any and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the associated Braille code.
>> 
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 16:57:00 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 12:57:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] icloud
In-Reply-To: <FBFB104B-CE78-4CCB-A163-5693B8DDBEE2@gmail.com>
References: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
	<FBFB104B-CE78-4CCB-A163-5693B8DDBEE2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88C3400C-C9E0-4E68-8101-B93C36A06F39@gmail.com>

Hello,
iCloud does not support pop. It only supports IMAP.
This is quite unfortunate as I would love to have it on my braillenote.
Hope that helps, and sorry for the bad news.
Thanks,
Aleeha

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If it is possible, the POp should be pop at icloud.com and the SMTP would be smtp at icloud.com. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of all the authentication numbers.
> Alyssa
> 
> Ps, I attended buddy camp with you about 6 years ago.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Vejas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I have a question.  I have an iCloud 1conount.  I was wondering how you can set it up with the braille-note, like what the POP and SMTP settings are.
>> Thanks for your help,
>> Vejas
>> 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Thu Jun  5 17:00:56 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 13:00:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] icloud
In-Reply-To: <88C3400C-C9E0-4E68-8101-B93C36A06F39@gmail.com>
References: <538fa812.6ac3440a.11af.7a19@mx.google.com>
	<FBFB104B-CE78-4CCB-A163-5693B8DDBEE2@gmail.com>
	<88C3400C-C9E0-4E68-8101-B93C36A06F39@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A6F27776-6187-43FE-9C28-1F63E898222C@me.com>

That's silly the braille note doesn't do iMap?

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 5, 2014, at 12:57 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> iCloud does not support pop. It only supports IMAP.
> This is quite unfortunate as I would love to have it on my braillenote.
> Hope that helps, and sorry for the bad news.
> Thanks,
> Aleeha
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> If it is possible, the POp should be pop at icloud.com and the SMTP would be smtp at icloud.com. Unfortunately, I'm not sure of all the authentication numbers.
>> Alyssa
>> 
>> Ps, I attended buddy camp with you about 6 years ago.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 4, 2014, at 6:12 PM, Vejas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> I have a question.  I have an iCloud 1conount.  I was wondering how you can set it up with the braille-note, like what the POP and SMTP settings are.
>>> Thanks for your help,
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 17:03:44 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 10:03:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <9C63179D-E071-4B7D-9879-3946E83339B9@gmail.com>
References: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
	<3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>
	<9C63179D-E071-4B7D-9879-3946E83339B9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzeqOHw2qo9OA=m-KaaZHpTDj4A3b5Y30qSEuAoCX7jkw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris,

I am far removed from chemistry as I did not study that in college,
but I do remember the beginning of chemistry class with my braille
textbook. There was never an explicit IEP goal for me to learn
chemistry code, and although I had learned Nemeth, I had learned a
subset of Nemeth based on the classes I had taken pretty informally
through my textbooks. So I did encounter some symbols that I did not
know the meaning of. The most helpful thing I did was to ask someone
next to me to read a couple of chemistry equations out loud. As they
read the equation, I was able to parse which symbols were indicators
of changes from letters to numbers and which symbols actually
represented the numbers and element abbreviations. I was very
frustrated before it occurred to me to ask someone for a bit of help,
but after 5 minutes, I understood the notation. I think that as you go
through your class and consider whether you want to take more advanced
chemistry, you can take initiative to seek out more complex Nemeth
symbols, but in my memory, I don't remember the quick lesson on
notations putting me behind.

If your textbook has arrived, you can of course take a volume home
just for fun and begin to figure it out yourself.

I also highly recommend that you get a periodic table in braille,
super important!

I used a Velcro kit to make chemical structures and to represent
bonds. Differently shaped Velcro pieces allowed for variety and I
could indicate on a key what the shapes meant whether they represented
different elements or different parts of an atom. I used skinny Velcro
strips to represent bonds and placed multiple strips between atoms
depending on what type of bond it was.

When I was in high school, I wrote out my homework and quizzes on my
laptop and my teacher and I had an understanding of how I would
textually represent a symbol if there was a symbol that was difficult
to make, but I did the superscript numbers just fine. You could of
course consider learning LaTex to assist you with making the more
complex symbols which could be a summer project. There is a lot of
support for LaTex in general as well as through the blind math
community.

Finally, when I was reading the Jernigan newsletter this morning, I
was reminded of the organized blindmath archives called Blind Gems.
Check them out on blindscience.org.

Cindy

On 6/5/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my
> chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so that
> shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
> Hope that helps,
> Aleeha
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Chris
>> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told me
>> that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the electronic
>> copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's
>> situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are similar.
>> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes that I
>> did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all of
>> the symbols I needed to know.
>> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
>> Hth
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>
>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and that
>>> those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are
>>> overcoming it or at least trying to.
>>>
>>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told that
>>> there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a
>>> part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn
>>> the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI does
>>> not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even
>>> started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the chemistry
>>> code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry
>>> courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time
>>> prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I learn
>>> the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind? My
>>> concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to
>>> have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with a
>>> very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate any
>>> and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the
>>> associated Braille code.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
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-- 
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Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 17:48:26 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:48:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdzeqOHw2qo9OA=m-KaaZHpTDj4A3b5Y30qSEuAoCX7jkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
	<3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>
	<9C63179D-E071-4B7D-9879-3946E83339B9@gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdzeqOHw2qo9OA=m-KaaZHpTDj4A3b5Y30qSEuAoCX7jkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYusYLWYkBr9SryVRdP-fwHBZetMxQteELinf-=tjb7kA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Chris,

It has been several years since my TVI went on a crusade of teaching
me the chem code, and I have forgotten a lot of it since I had no
desire to take Chem in high school and have no need to take it in
college, but I remember there were a few key things I saw all the time
when learning it.  It might be helpful if your TVI can look up some
basic chemical structures like ionic bonds, covalent bonds, etc.  A
lot of these use the bar over symbol, or the one five six if it is
known by other names.  I agree with others that you can use drawing
kits and other tactile methods to show the structures, and for me I
wish I would have had one of those methods.  I did use a little
chemistry code in 10th grade biology, and having knowledge of the code
didn't really do me any favors when I was asked to draw ionic bonds
and such because I had no idea what they looked like.  I think to have
a better understanding of chemistry it is more beneficial to know the
structure of atoms and bonds and such rather than to have the braille
code nailed.

Also, do check out Math Gems as Cindi suggested.  It's a great resource.

On 6/5/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I am far removed from chemistry as I did not study that in college,
> but I do remember the beginning of chemistry class with my braille
> textbook. There was never an explicit IEP goal for me to learn
> chemistry code, and although I had learned Nemeth, I had learned a
> subset of Nemeth based on the classes I had taken pretty informally
> through my textbooks. So I did encounter some symbols that I did not
> know the meaning of. The most helpful thing I did was to ask someone
> next to me to read a couple of chemistry equations out loud. As they
> read the equation, I was able to parse which symbols were indicators
> of changes from letters to numbers and which symbols actually
> represented the numbers and element abbreviations. I was very
> frustrated before it occurred to me to ask someone for a bit of help,
> but after 5 minutes, I understood the notation. I think that as you go
> through your class and consider whether you want to take more advanced
> chemistry, you can take initiative to seek out more complex Nemeth
> symbols, but in my memory, I don't remember the quick lesson on
> notations putting me behind.
>
> If your textbook has arrived, you can of course take a volume home
> just for fun and begin to figure it out yourself.
>
> I also highly recommend that you get a periodic table in braille,
> super important!
>
> I used a Velcro kit to make chemical structures and to represent
> bonds. Differently shaped Velcro pieces allowed for variety and I
> could indicate on a key what the shapes meant whether they represented
> different elements or different parts of an atom. I used skinny Velcro
> strips to represent bonds and placed multiple strips between atoms
> depending on what type of bond it was.
>
> When I was in high school, I wrote out my homework and quizzes on my
> laptop and my teacher and I had an understanding of how I would
> textually represent a symbol if there was a symbol that was difficult
> to make, but I did the superscript numbers just fine. You could of
> course consider learning LaTex to assist you with making the more
> complex symbols which could be a summer project. There is a lot of
> support for LaTex in general as well as through the blind math
> community.
>
> Finally, when I was reading the Jernigan newsletter this morning, I
> was reminded of the organized blindmath archives called Blind Gems.
> Check them out on blindscience.org.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 6/5/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my
>> chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so that
>> shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
>> Hope that helps,
>> Aleeha
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Chris
>>> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told me
>>> that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the electronic
>>> copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's
>>> situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are similar.
>>> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes that
>>> I
>>> did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all of
>>> the symbols I needed to know.
>>> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
>>> Hth
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>>
>>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and
>>>> that
>>>> those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are
>>>> overcoming it or at least trying to.
>>>>
>>>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told
>>>> that
>>>> there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a
>>>> part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn
>>>> the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI
>>>> does
>>>> not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even
>>>> started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the
>>>> chemistry
>>>> code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry
>>>> courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time
>>>> prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I
>>>> learn
>>>> the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind?
>>>> My
>>>> concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to
>>>> have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with
>>>> a
>>>> very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate
>>>> any
>>>> and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the
>>>> associated Braille code.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>
> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Jun  5 18:51:14 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:51:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>
	<CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS4134D309C3A6BA5FA2DFE4ECE2D0@phx.gbl>


Hi the iPad Mini does not have a voice recording act there is apps in the App Store that you can download like audio share hope this helps you.,
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:45 AM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini

Hello Roanna
I have an IPhone and I'm using voice memos, built in my phone. I believe IPad has it as well. It's pretty easy to use. Only important point is, if you get a call the recording stops. But IPad  is better for this, since you won't have calls on it.
If you have further questions please ask good luck with the course.

2014-06-05 9:26 GMT-04:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Dear Nabs Members,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of the 
> month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the accommodations 
> that I have for the classroom setting is to use my IPad Mini to record 
> lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps that I can download for 
> recording lectures?
>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Jun  5 18:51:55 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 13:51:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>
	<CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS78C6086ACDD95A179D47B3CE2D0@phx.gbl>

Talk 	the iPad does not have that feature there is apps out there though that you can download this app on.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:45 AM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini

Hello Roanna
I have an IPhone and I'm using voice memos, built in my phone. I believe IPad has it as well. It's pretty easy to use. Only important point is, if you get a call the recording stops. But IPad  is better for this, since you won't have calls on it.
If you have further questions please ask good luck with the course.

2014-06-05 9:26 GMT-04:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Dear Nabs Members,
>
> I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of the 
> month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the accommodations 
> that I have for the classroom setting is to use my IPad Mini to record 
> lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps that I can download for 
> recording lectures?
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>


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Counselor Traınee- Xavier University

http://sanalterapistim.blogspot.com.tr/

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 21:39:18 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:39:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] California Students
Message-ID: <2A32446D-6ED9-44B7-9106-B2FFD65948E7@gmail.com>

Greetings list,
  The awesome thing about this listserv is that there are bunches of people from tons of places across this country.
I am interested to hear from students from my home state of California who are on this list.
Please shoot me a note off list because I would love to connect with you.

   Many thanks,
Darian

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 21:52:03 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 14:52:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <BLU405-EAS78C6086ACDD95A179D47B3CE2D0@phx.gbl>
References: <53907044.691cb60a.3afa.18be@mx.google.com>
	<CAMtP_9cgp+FX9e7Q-7duJuvBmMYLKjb381OwgqgEeXntpAykJQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU405-EAS78C6086ACDD95A179D47B3CE2D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <54413B76-869D-4CFD-AF50-6F26673A6790@gmail.com>

Hello,
Did some quick research on apple  vis (applevis.com) and apparently there are quite a few options available to you.
One of them is "rev voice recorder" 
 As I said, there are plenty of other options from what little I saw, hopefully one that might fit your budget and your needs.
  Thank you for the question, and best of luck!
  Darian

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Talk    the iPad does not have that feature there is apps out there though that you can download this app on.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:45 AM
> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
> 
> Hello Roanna
> I have an IPhone and I'm using voice memos, built in my phone. I believe IPad has it as well. It's pretty easy to use. Only important point is, if you get a call the recording stops. But IPad  is better for this, since you won't have calls on it.
> If you have further questions please ask good luck with the course.
> 
> 2014-06-05 9:26 GMT-04:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Dear Nabs Members,
>> 
>> I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of the 
>> month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the accommodations 
>> that I have for the classroom setting is to use my IPad Mini to record 
>> lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps that I can download for 
>> recording lectures?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> om
> 
> 
> --
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> Counselor Traınee- Xavier University
> 
> http://sanalterapistim.blogspot.com.tr/
> 
> https://www.facebook.com/pages/Sanal-Terapistim/622044051210298?ref=hl
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Jun  5 22:54:04 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 18:54:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYusYLWYkBr9SryVRdP-fwHBZetMxQteELinf-=tjb7kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <B9D272CC-926F-4812-BFB8-B38D290C2856@gmail.com>
	<3618FD82-423D-4448-A7F4-97F56E3276E0@fuse.net>
	<9C63179D-E071-4B7D-9879-3946E83339B9@gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdzeqOHw2qo9OA=m-KaaZHpTDj4A3b5Y30qSEuAoCX7jkw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYusYLWYkBr9SryVRdP-fwHBZetMxQteELinf-=tjb7kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9580599F-ACCC-4938-941A-AF6ADC63A211@fuse.net>

The reason i asked about drawing was because I used the chemistry kit from APH in my pcombination chemistry and physics class this year and loved it and found it extremely helpful.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Chris,
> 
> It has been several years since my TVI went on a crusade of teaching
> me the chem code, and I have forgotten a lot of it since I had no
> desire to take Chem in high school and have no need to take it in
> college, but I remember there were a few key things I saw all the time
> when learning it.  It might be helpful if your TVI can look up some
> basic chemical structures like ionic bonds, covalent bonds, etc.  A
> lot of these use the bar over symbol, or the one five six if it is
> known by other names.  I agree with others that you can use drawing
> kits and other tactile methods to show the structures, and for me I
> wish I would have had one of those methods.  I did use a little
> chemistry code in 10th grade biology, and having knowledge of the code
> didn't really do me any favors when I was asked to draw ionic bonds
> and such because I had no idea what they looked like.  I think to have
> a better understanding of chemistry it is more beneficial to know the
> structure of atoms and bonds and such rather than to have the braille
> code nailed.
> 
> Also, do check out Math Gems as Cindi suggested.  It's a great resource.
> 
>> On 6/5/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Chris,
>> 
>> I am far removed from chemistry as I did not study that in college,
>> but I do remember the beginning of chemistry class with my braille
>> textbook. There was never an explicit IEP goal for me to learn
>> chemistry code, and although I had learned Nemeth, I had learned a
>> subset of Nemeth based on the classes I had taken pretty informally
>> through my textbooks. So I did encounter some symbols that I did not
>> know the meaning of. The most helpful thing I did was to ask someone
>> next to me to read a couple of chemistry equations out loud. As they
>> read the equation, I was able to parse which symbols were indicators
>> of changes from letters to numbers and which symbols actually
>> represented the numbers and element abbreviations. I was very
>> frustrated before it occurred to me to ask someone for a bit of help,
>> but after 5 minutes, I understood the notation. I think that as you go
>> through your class and consider whether you want to take more advanced
>> chemistry, you can take initiative to seek out more complex Nemeth
>> symbols, but in my memory, I don't remember the quick lesson on
>> notations putting me behind.
>> 
>> If your textbook has arrived, you can of course take a volume home
>> just for fun and begin to figure it out yourself.
>> 
>> I also highly recommend that you get a periodic table in braille,
>> super important!
>> 
>> I used a Velcro kit to make chemical structures and to represent
>> bonds. Differently shaped Velcro pieces allowed for variety and I
>> could indicate on a key what the shapes meant whether they represented
>> different elements or different parts of an atom. I used skinny Velcro
>> strips to represent bonds and placed multiple strips between atoms
>> depending on what type of bond it was.
>> 
>> When I was in high school, I wrote out my homework and quizzes on my
>> laptop and my teacher and I had an understanding of how I would
>> textually represent a symbol if there was a symbol that was difficult
>> to make, but I did the superscript numbers just fine. You could of
>> course consider learning LaTex to assist you with making the more
>> complex symbols which could be a summer project. There is a lot of
>> support for LaTex in general as well as through the blind math
>> community.
>> 
>> Finally, when I was reading the Jernigan newsletter this morning, I
>> was reminded of the organized blindmath archives called Blind Gems.
>> Check them out on blindscience.org.
>> 
>> Cindy
>> 
>>> On 6/5/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my
>>> chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so that
>>> shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
>>> Hope that helps,
>>> Aleeha
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Chris
>>>> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told me
>>>> that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the electronic
>>>> copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's
>>>> situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are similar.
>>>> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes that
>>>> I
>>>> did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all of
>>>> the symbols I needed to know.
>>>> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
>>>> Hth
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and
>>>>> that
>>>>> those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are
>>>>> overcoming it or at least trying to.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told
>>>>> that
>>>>> there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is a
>>>>> part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to learn
>>>>> the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI
>>>>> does
>>>>> not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not even
>>>>> started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the
>>>>> chemistry
>>>>> code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken chemistry
>>>>> courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time
>>>>> prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I
>>>>> learn
>>>>> the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind?
>>>>> My
>>>>> concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able to
>>>>> have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course with
>>>>> a
>>>>> very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate
>>>>> any
>>>>> and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and the
>>>>> associated Braille code.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Thu Jun  5 23:34:44 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 18:34:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
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I too love applevis.com. That would have been my advice but he beat me to it/ :) that site has app suggestions for just about everything. I hope you find it helpful.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 4:52 PM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> Did some quick research on apple  vis (applevis.com) and apparently there are quite a few options available to you.
> One of them is "rev voice recorder" 
> As I said, there are plenty of other options from what little I saw, hopefully one that might fit your budget and your needs.
>  Thank you for the question, and best of luck!
>  Darian
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:51 AM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Talk    the iPad does not have that feature there is apps out there though that you can download this app on.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 8:45 AM
>> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Apps For Recording on an IPad Mini
>> 
>> Hello Roanna
>> I have an IPhone and I'm using voice memos, built in my phone. I believe IPad has it as well. It's pretty easy to use. Only important point is, if you get a call the recording stops. But IPad  is better for this, since you won't have calls on it.
>> If you have further questions please ask good luck with the course.
>> 
>> 2014-06-05 9:26 GMT-04:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Dear Nabs Members,
>>> 
>>> I hope everyone is enjoying their Summer vacation.  At the end of the 
>>> month I'll start taking classes at UCF.  One of the accommodations 
>>> that I have for the classroom setting is to use my IPad Mini to record 
>>> lectures.  Do any of you know of some apps that I can download for 
>>> recording lectures?
>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
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>> Counselor Traınee- Xavier University
>> 
>> http://sanalterapistim.blogspot.com.tr/
>> 
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Thu Jun  5 23:41:13 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
Message-ID: <119a50b2b5544683844eacf9f789bfd5@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:
Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.

Love,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>


From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 01:18:54 2014
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:18:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
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Hi Chris,

I took chemistry way back when I was a sophomore in high school, but
as others have said I don't think you need to be too concerned  about
this. Assuming that you are already familiar with the Nemeth code and
that you will have access to a braille textbook, you should be able to
learn the new braille symbols as they are introduced throughout the
course. Getting a braille copy of the periodic table is  essential,
and you would most likely want to spend some time getting acquainted
with it at the beginning of the semester as you will need to use it to
look up all sorts of information for nearly every exam/assignment. I
did find representing all the atomic/molecular structures in braille
extremely cumbersome and benefited a lot from working with my
chemistry teacher one-on-one before or after school using tactile
models.

Hope this helps!
Katie


On 6/5/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The reason i asked about drawing was because I used the chemistry kit from
> APH in my pcombination chemistry and physics class this year and loved it
> and found it extremely helpful.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi, Chris,
>>
>> It has been several years since my TVI went on a crusade of teaching
>> me the chem code, and I have forgotten a lot of it since I had no
>> desire to take Chem in high school and have no need to take it in
>> college, but I remember there were a few key things I saw all the time
>> when learning it.  It might be helpful if your TVI can look up some
>> basic chemical structures like ionic bonds, covalent bonds, etc.  A
>> lot of these use the bar over symbol, or the one five six if it is
>> known by other names.  I agree with others that you can use drawing
>> kits and other tactile methods to show the structures, and for me I
>> wish I would have had one of those methods.  I did use a little
>> chemistry code in 10th grade biology, and having knowledge of the code
>> didn't really do me any favors when I was asked to draw ionic bonds
>> and such because I had no idea what they looked like.  I think to have
>> a better understanding of chemistry it is more beneficial to know the
>> structure of atoms and bonds and such rather than to have the braille
>> code nailed.
>>
>> Also, do check out Math Gems as Cindi suggested.  It's a great resource.
>>
>>> On 6/5/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Chris,
>>>
>>> I am far removed from chemistry as I did not study that in college,
>>> but I do remember the beginning of chemistry class with my braille
>>> textbook. There was never an explicit IEP goal for me to learn
>>> chemistry code, and although I had learned Nemeth, I had learned a
>>> subset of Nemeth based on the classes I had taken pretty informally
>>> through my textbooks. So I did encounter some symbols that I did not
>>> know the meaning of. The most helpful thing I did was to ask someone
>>> next to me to read a couple of chemistry equations out loud. As they
>>> read the equation, I was able to parse which symbols were indicators
>>> of changes from letters to numbers and which symbols actually
>>> represented the numbers and element abbreviations. I was very
>>> frustrated before it occurred to me to ask someone for a bit of help,
>>> but after 5 minutes, I understood the notation. I think that as you go
>>> through your class and consider whether you want to take more advanced
>>> chemistry, you can take initiative to seek out more complex Nemeth
>>> symbols, but in my memory, I don't remember the quick lesson on
>>> notations putting me behind.
>>>
>>> If your textbook has arrived, you can of course take a volume home
>>> just for fun and begin to figure it out yourself.
>>>
>>> I also highly recommend that you get a periodic table in braille,
>>> super important!
>>>
>>> I used a Velcro kit to make chemical structures and to represent
>>> bonds. Differently shaped Velcro pieces allowed for variety and I
>>> could indicate on a key what the shapes meant whether they represented
>>> different elements or different parts of an atom. I used skinny Velcro
>>> strips to represent bonds and placed multiple strips between atoms
>>> depending on what type of bond it was.
>>>
>>> When I was in high school, I wrote out my homework and quizzes on my
>>> laptop and my teacher and I had an understanding of how I would
>>> textually represent a symbol if there was a symbol that was difficult
>>> to make, but I did the superscript numbers just fine. You could of
>>> course consider learning LaTex to assist you with making the more
>>> complex symbols which could be a summer project. There is a lot of
>>> support for LaTex in general as well as through the blind math
>>> community.
>>>
>>> Finally, when I was reading the Jernigan newsletter this morning, I
>>> was reminded of the organized blindmath archives called Blind Gems.
>>> Check them out on blindscience.org.
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi,
>>>> I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my
>>>> chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so
>>>> that
>>>> shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>> Aleeha
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Chris
>>>>> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told
>>>>> me
>>>>> that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the
>>>>> electronic
>>>>> copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's
>>>>> situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are
>>>>> similar.
>>>>> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes
>>>>> that
>>>>> I
>>>>> did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all
>>>>> of
>>>>> the symbols I needed to know.
>>>>> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
>>>>> Hth
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are
>>>>>> overcoming it or at least trying to.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think is
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not
>>>>>> even
>>>>>> started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the
>>>>>> chemistry
>>>>>> code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken
>>>>>> chemistry
>>>>>> courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time
>>>>>> prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I
>>>>>> learn
>>>>>> the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall behind?
>>>>>> My
>>>>>> concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate
>>>>>> any
>>>>>> and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> associated Braille code.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>>>
>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>> --
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>>
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From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 01:41:56 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (jeff crouch- k8tvv)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 21:41:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry Braille Code
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Hello all
Chris this is something that I am glad you brought up, I wish I had a
kem book in braille, I'm taking it in the fall and since I am a online
student my school doesn't use any form of online text books or print
text books, FLVS which I think stands for Florda virtual schools is
the ones who create the content, if you find anything that might help,
please give me a call on my cell num or on Skype.

thanks

On 6/5/14, Katie Wang via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris,
>
> I took chemistry way back when I was a sophomore in high school, but
> as others have said I don't think you need to be too concerned  about
> this. Assuming that you are already familiar with the Nemeth code and
> that you will have access to a braille textbook, you should be able to
> learn the new braille symbols as they are introduced throughout the
> course. Getting a braille copy of the periodic table is  essential,
> and you would most likely want to spend some time getting acquainted
> with it at the beginning of the semester as you will need to use it to
> look up all sorts of information for nearly every exam/assignment. I
> did find representing all the atomic/molecular structures in braille
> extremely cumbersome and benefited a lot from working with my
> chemistry teacher one-on-one before or after school using tactile
> models.
>
> Hope this helps!
> Katie
>
>
> On 6/5/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> The reason i asked about drawing was because I used the chemistry kit
>> from
>> APH in my pcombination chemistry and physics class this year and loved it
>> and found it extremely helpful.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi, Chris,
>>>
>>> It has been several years since my TVI went on a crusade of teaching
>>> me the chem code, and I have forgotten a lot of it since I had no
>>> desire to take Chem in high school and have no need to take it in
>>> college, but I remember there were a few key things I saw all the time
>>> when learning it.  It might be helpful if your TVI can look up some
>>> basic chemical structures like ionic bonds, covalent bonds, etc.  A
>>> lot of these use the bar over symbol, or the one five six if it is
>>> known by other names.  I agree with others that you can use drawing
>>> kits and other tactile methods to show the structures, and for me I
>>> wish I would have had one of those methods.  I did use a little
>>> chemistry code in 10th grade biology, and having knowledge of the code
>>> didn't really do me any favors when I was asked to draw ionic bonds
>>> and such because I had no idea what they looked like.  I think to have
>>> a better understanding of chemistry it is more beneficial to know the
>>> structure of atoms and bonds and such rather than to have the braille
>>> code nailed.
>>>
>>> Also, do check out Math Gems as Cindi suggested.  It's a great resource.
>>>
>>>> On 6/5/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Chris,
>>>>
>>>> I am far removed from chemistry as I did not study that in college,
>>>> but I do remember the beginning of chemistry class with my braille
>>>> textbook. There was never an explicit IEP goal for me to learn
>>>> chemistry code, and although I had learned Nemeth, I had learned a
>>>> subset of Nemeth based on the classes I had taken pretty informally
>>>> through my textbooks. So I did encounter some symbols that I did not
>>>> know the meaning of. The most helpful thing I did was to ask someone
>>>> next to me to read a couple of chemistry equations out loud. As they
>>>> read the equation, I was able to parse which symbols were indicators
>>>> of changes from letters to numbers and which symbols actually
>>>> represented the numbers and element abbreviations. I was very
>>>> frustrated before it occurred to me to ask someone for a bit of help,
>>>> but after 5 minutes, I understood the notation. I think that as you go
>>>> through your class and consider whether you want to take more advanced
>>>> chemistry, you can take initiative to seek out more complex Nemeth
>>>> symbols, but in my memory, I don't remember the quick lesson on
>>>> notations putting me behind.
>>>>
>>>> If your textbook has arrived, you can of course take a volume home
>>>> just for fun and begin to figure it out yourself.
>>>>
>>>> I also highly recommend that you get a periodic table in braille,
>>>> super important!
>>>>
>>>> I used a Velcro kit to make chemical structures and to represent
>>>> bonds. Differently shaped Velcro pieces allowed for variety and I
>>>> could indicate on a key what the shapes meant whether they represented
>>>> different elements or different parts of an atom. I used skinny Velcro
>>>> strips to represent bonds and placed multiple strips between atoms
>>>> depending on what type of bond it was.
>>>>
>>>> When I was in high school, I wrote out my homework and quizzes on my
>>>> laptop and my teacher and I had an understanding of how I would
>>>> textually represent a symbol if there was a symbol that was difficult
>>>> to make, but I did the superscript numbers just fine. You could of
>>>> course consider learning LaTex to assist you with making the more
>>>> complex symbols which could be a summer project. There is a lot of
>>>> support for LaTex in general as well as through the blind math
>>>> community.
>>>>
>>>> Finally, when I was reading the Jernigan newsletter this morning, I
>>>> was reminded of the organized blindmath archives called Blind Gems.
>>>> Check them out on blindscience.org.
>>>>
>>>> Cindy
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/5/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I used a tactile drawing kit to draw anything that I needed to in my
>>>>> chemistry courses. The chemistry code is incorporated into nemeth so
>>>>> that
>>>>> shouldn't be a huge problem if you have a Braille  textbook.
>>>>> Hope that helps,
>>>>> Aleeha
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 10:04 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Chris
>>>>>> I am taking chem next year and if I recall correctly my teacher told
>>>>>> me
>>>>>> that there were no special symbols. I could try seeing if the
>>>>>> electronic
>>>>>> copy of my textbook raises any Braille red flags. I know everyone's
>>>>>> situation is different but I would suspect that the courses are
>>>>>> similar.
>>>>>> There are also files with the symbols for the various Braille codes
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> did not find particularly helpful because they did not encompass all
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the symbols I needed to know.
>>>>>> Btw, do you have a periodic table and a way to draw atoms?
>>>>>> Hth
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 7:59 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good Morning Everyone,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I hope everyone is having a wonderful start to the summer season and
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> those of us who must still try to conquer end-of-school burnout are
>>>>>>> overcoming it or at least trying to.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So I'm taking Chemistry 1 next year and trying to prepare. I'm told
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> there is a specific Braille code used for chemistry, which I think
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> part of the Nemeth Code. One of my IEP goals for this year is to
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> the code in preparation for my class next semester. However, my TVI
>>>>>>> does
>>>>>>> not know the choistry code very well at all and therefore has not
>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>> started work on it. So my question is this: how detailed is the
>>>>>>> chemistry
>>>>>>> code, if there in fact is one? To those of you who have taken
>>>>>>> chemistry
>>>>>>> courses, did learning the Braille code require much preparation time
>>>>>>> prior to the start of the class? Like other math subjects, could I
>>>>>>> learn
>>>>>>> the relevant symbols as I need them in the class and not fall
>>>>>>> behind?
>>>>>>> My
>>>>>>> concern is that with only a week of school left, I will not be able
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have the time I need to learn the code and could begin the course
>>>>>>> with
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> very limited knowledge of the code I need to use. I would appreciate
>>>>>>> any
>>>>>>> and all thoughts from those who have experience with chemistry and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> associated Braille code.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>>>
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 02:40:12 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:40:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the
constitution of the NFB!
Aleeha

On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Fellow Federationists:
> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch
> of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda
> cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing
> this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of
> the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS,
> including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions
> today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I
> was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division
> development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the
> National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral
> part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS
> constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had
> come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student
> networking outlet. Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from
> Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to
> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will
> always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity
> between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times
> per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives,
> and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have
> led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating
> advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through
> which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on
> unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook,
> Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized
> is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on
> both student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are
> hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the
> organized blind movement.
> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly
> we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger
> the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further
> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that
> I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my
> successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014
> Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in
> northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn
> campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has
> produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships
> from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not
> give up on NABS.
> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten
> economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend
> Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the
> pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my
> experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career
> path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I
> understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS
> board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or
> not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille
> Monitor.
> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to
> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to
> focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that
> we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity
> and security for the blind.
> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other
> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>
> Love,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
- Arabian Proverb


From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Jun  6 03:04:02 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 03:04:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them together, we can make a difference.

Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011

Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President

How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the constitution of the NFB!
Aleeha

On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Fellow Federationists:
> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a 
> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the 
> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I 
> am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running 
> for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) 
> because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like 
> the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board 
> and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on 
> chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, 
> and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I 
> wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation 
> of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not 
> feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that 
> the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. 
> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it 
> to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that 
> we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more 
> on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen 
> a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as 
> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. 
> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about 
> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master 
> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my 
> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The 
> power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more 
> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and 
> the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind 
> students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing 
> and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership 
> philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I 
> grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a 
> regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the 
> same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA 
> men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn 
> Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane 
> travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our 
> agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana 
> Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I 
> will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that 
> this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and 
> will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I 
> am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud 
> to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a 
> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want 
> voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on 
> the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve 
> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>
> Love,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students 
> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4
> 0gmail.com
>


--
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
- Arabian Proverb

From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 03:12:12 2014
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 22:12:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Justin, what a well-written and heartfelt message.  I can sense your
dedication and love for the NFB in it, though I know personally that
you are being real here.  Thank you for all your hard work and
leadership.  Your passion is inspiring, and I look forward to seeing
where it takes us as an organization!

On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them
> together, we can make a difference.
>
> Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011
>
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>
> How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the
> constitution of the NFB!
> Aleeha
>
> On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a
>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the
>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I
>> am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running
>> for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS)
>> because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like
>> the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board
>> and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on
>> chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy,
>> and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I
>> wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation
>> of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not
>> feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that
>> the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet.
>> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me
>> up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it
>> to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that
>> we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more
>> on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen
>> a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>> organization to our organization.
>> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement.
>> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about
>> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master
>> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my
>> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for
>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The
>> power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little
>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect
>> this in the organized blind movement.
>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more
>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and
>> the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind
>> students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing
>> and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>> philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I
>> grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a
>> regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the
>> same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA
>> men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn
>> Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane
>> travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our
>> agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana
>> Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I
>> will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that
>> this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and
>> will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I
>> am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud
>> to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>> voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on
>> the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless
>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>
>> Love,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4
>> 0gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, Ohio
> Association of Blind Students
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
>
> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
> - Arabian Proverb
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>


-- 
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National Association of Guide dog Users board member,  National
Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President,
and Guiding Eyes for the Blind graduate 2008
"For God so loved the world that he gave his only Son, so that
everyone who believes in him may not perish but may have eternal
life."
John 3:16


From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 03:19:27 2014
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'Meally)
Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:19:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Are you sure this is what it looks like?  I know people on the bord well and I just can't see them doing something like that. Maybe there is an explination of some sort. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them together, we can make a difference.
> 
> Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011
> 
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
> 
> How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the constitution of the NFB!
> Aleeha
> 
>> On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a 
>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the 
>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I 
>> am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running 
>> for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) 
>> because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like 
>> the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board 
>> and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on 
>> chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, 
>> and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I 
>> wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation 
>> of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not 
>> feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that 
>> the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. 
>> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it 
>> to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that 
>> we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more 
>> on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen 
>> a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as 
>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
>> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. 
>> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about 
>> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master 
>> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my 
>> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The 
>> power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more 
>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and 
>> the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind 
>> students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing 
>> and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership 
>> philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I 
>> grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a 
>> regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the 
>> same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA 
>> men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn 
>> Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane 
>> travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our 
>> agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana 
>> Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I 
>> will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that 
>> this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and 
>> will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I 
>> am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud 
>> to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a 
>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want 
>> voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on 
>> the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve 
>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>> 
>> Love,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4
>> 0gmail.com
>> 
> 
> 
> --
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
> 
> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
> - Arabian Proverb
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gmail.com


From bethslists at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 04:25:46 2014
From: bethslists at gmail.com (Beth Taurasi)
Date: Thu, 05 Jun 2014 22:25:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] ndroid ringtone makers that work with talkback
Message-ID: <539142d4.258a320a.025e.1462@mx.google.com>

Dear Nbsters,
Calling all Tech geeks out here who know the android system, I 
need to know if there's a way I can customize ringtones with 
Android without purchasing so many ingtones.  My friend has a 
ringtone maker and a MP3 cutter, so I don't know what to do here.  
I now know how to use a phone with android and do not have any 
problems answering the phone or doing customized ringtones and 
stuff.  I've practiced on the phone, and it works like magic.  
Anyway, I checked in on Foursquare in several places, so I'm 
good.  Anyway, I'd like to use my MP3 song collection as 
ringtones for the phone, so anyone got any ideas?
Beth


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 07:04:34 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 00:04:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <DC22FC59-7FFD-401E-B761-B8A2E2C148CF@gmail.com>
References: <119a50b2b5544683844eacf9f789bfd5@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<CAE8_=nR+L_BqsHkWDg5uT_G4UJ1QHqDc2btA0bqQ3oap4rmwHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<be3ec55bd2fb4e659d4013464e580bd1@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<DC22FC59-7FFD-401E-B761-B8A2E2C148CF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F2E574B8-3289-487F-B8F4-AA3C3AFBA514@gmail.com>

Justin, and all:
Firstly I would like to acknowledge Justin for such a heartfelt solicitation for support and clearly spelled out vision for where he sees the division going.
I don't claim to know it all, but I suspect that as a sitting member of the board of directors of the national Association of blind students(the student division of the national Federation of the blind), that I might have some perspective to add to what seems to be developing into a bit of a controversy.
Into thousand nine I was elected to the board of directors of the national Association of blind students. That year we had a particularly active and even full elections.
Fairly soon after the installment of officers, a committee was appointed to look into election procedures and policies.  Sometimes months this discussion, we thought that it was a good idea to create a policy that would not allow for officers of the division who were running (remember, all candidates are allowed to state their case for election under a time format). We have had board members speak when they are not running for offices, and any member of the division who might wish to speak on the agenda is welcome to contact the current president of the division.
In short, any one is allowed to speak on the agenda, the only time this isn't the case is if a board member is intending to run for election.  This policy is, while not a universal policy in the organization, not an violation of our national Constitution, so it is not in violation of the Student Division Constitution.  
It is important to understand that policy decisions are well within the rights of an organization to come up with, they can also be revisited and changed as the board sees fit.   The national Association of blind students has never operated as a division of exclusivity (at least not as long as I have been involved in it) , and has always been open to new ideas and different ways to go about stuff.   To be sure, not every idea gets used, and not every idea that is used works out. However, this division has seen some growth over the past five years because of the collaborative efforts individuals both on and off the board have contributed to it. 
I look forward to the work that we do as members of the national Federation of the blind, to secure equality of opportunity for the blind , and through our networking, mentoring, support , education, advocacy and collective organizing that we can live the life we want, blindness will not hold us back, together we will lift each other uup.  

  for

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Christopher O'Meally via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Are you sure this is what it looks like?  I know people on the bord well and I just can't see them doing something like that. Maybe there is an explination of some sort. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them together, we can make a difference.
>> 
>> Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>> 
>> How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the constitution of the NFB!
>> Aleeha
>> 
>>> On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a 
>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the 
>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I 
>>> am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running 
>>> for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) 
>>> because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like 
>>> the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board 
>>> and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on 
>>> chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, 
>>> and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I 
>>> wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation 
>>> of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not 
>>> feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that 
>>> the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. 
>>> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it 
>>> to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that 
>>> we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more 
>>> on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen 
>>> a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as 
>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. 
>>> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about 
>>> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master 
>>> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my 
>>> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
>>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The 
>>> power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
>>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
>>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more 
>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and 
>>> the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
>>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind 
>>> students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing 
>>> and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership 
>>> philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I 
>>> grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a 
>>> regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the 
>>> same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA 
>>> men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn 
>>> Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
>>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane 
>>> travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our 
>>> agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana 
>>> Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I 
>>> will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that 
>>> this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and 
>>> will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I 
>>> am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud 
>>> to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a 
>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want 
>>> voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on 
>>> the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve 
>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
>>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> 
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students 
>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993%4
>>> 0gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
>> 
>> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
>> - Arabian Proverb
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/chris.omeally%40gmail.com
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 12:12:09 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 08:12:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy National Doughnut Day
Message-ID: <5391b054.a982b60a.784c.ffffba48@mx.google.com>

Happy National Doughnut Day everyone.  Hope you all have the 
chance to enjoy a doughnut or two today.


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 12:15:13 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:15:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy National Doughnut Day
In-Reply-To: <5391b054.a982b60a.784c.ffffba48@mx.google.com>
References: <5391b054.a982b60a.784c.ffffba48@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <95FFD6A6-632C-41D3-85E2-DADD9F95ACB8@gmail.com>

Wow—I did not know of this celebration. It might just give me an excuse to enjoy a yummy donut! Nom nom!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:12 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Happy National Doughnut Day everyone.  Hope you all have the chance to enjoy a doughnut or two today.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 13:04:13 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 09:04:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone From The Perkins School For The Blind
Message-ID: <5391bc88.e1ecb60a.60aa.ffffc5d5@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

This message is for anyone from the Perkins School For The Blind.  
I am looking for a teacher who taught me when I attended the 
Early Intervention Pogram there as a toddler.  Her name is Miss 
Harriet Ward.  If you know of her please email me.


From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org  Fri Jun  6 13:28:31 2014
From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:28:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <F2E574B8-3289-487F-B8F4-AA3C3AFBA514@gmail.com>
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	<CAE8_=nR+L_BqsHkWDg5uT_G4UJ1QHqDc2btA0bqQ3oap4rmwHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<be3ec55bd2fb4e659d4013464e580bd1@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<DC22FC59-7FFD-401E-B761-B8A2E2C148CF@gmail.com>
	<F2E574B8-3289-487F-B8F4-AA3C3AFBA514@gmail.com>
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What was the rationale for that policy? 

Zunaira 
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 3:05 AM
To: Christopher O'Meally; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Justin Salisbury
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President

Justin, and all:
Firstly I would like to acknowledge Justin for such a heartfelt solicitation for support and clearly spelled out vision for where he sees the division going.
I don't claim to know it all, but I suspect that as a sitting member of the board of directors of the national Association of blind students(the student division of the national Federation of the blind), that I might have some perspective to add to what seems to be developing into a bit of a controversy.
Into thousand nine I was elected to the board of directors of the national Association of blind students. That year we had a particularly active and even full elections.
Fairly soon after the installment of officers, a committee was appointed to look into election procedures and policies.  Sometimes months this discussion, we thought that it was a good idea to create a policy that would not allow for officers of the division who were running (remember, all candidates are allowed to state their case for election under a time format). We have had board members speak when they are not running for offices, and any member of the division who might wish to speak on the agenda is welcome to contact the current president of the division.
In short, any one is allowed to speak on the agenda, the only time this isn't the case is if a board member is intending to run for election.  This policy is, while not a universal policy in the organization, not an violation of our national Constitution, so it is not in violation of the Student Division Constitution.  
It is important to understand that policy decisions are well within the rights of an organization to come up with, they can also be revisited and changed as the board sees fit.   The national Association of blind students has never operated as a division of exclusivity (at least not as long as I have been involved in it) , and has always been open to new ideas and different ways to go about stuff.   To be sure, not every idea gets used, and not every idea that is used works out. However, this division has seen some growth over the past five years because of the collaborative efforts individuals both on and off the board have contributed to it. 
I look forward to the work that we do as members of the national Federation of the blind, to secure equality of opportunity for the blind , and through our networking, mentoring, support , education, advocacy and collective organizing that we can live the life we want, blindness will not hold us back, together we will lift each other uup.  

  for

> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Christopher O'Meally via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Are you sure this is what it looks like?  I know people on the bord well and I just can't see them doing something like that. Maybe there is an explination of some sort. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them together, we can make a difference.
>> 
>> Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011
>> 
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>> 
>> How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the constitution of the NFB!
>> Aleeha
>> 
>>> On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, 
>>> a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on 
>>> the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact 
>>> that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am 
>>> running for President of the National Association of Blind Students 
>>> (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and 
>>> don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear 
>>> from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I 
>>> wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, 
>>> legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National 
>>> Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral 
>>> part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from 
>>> the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to 
>>> do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet.
>>> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move 
>>> it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith 
>>> that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus 
>>> more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only 
>>> happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more 
>>> hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
>>> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. 
>>> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate 
>>> about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This 
>>> master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and 
>>> my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
>>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. 
>>> The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
>>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
>>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The 
>>> more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will 
>>> be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
>>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow 
>>> blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on 
>>> preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on 
>>> leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not 
>>> hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut 
>>> and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a 
>>> problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two 
>>> years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from 
>>> my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
>>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a 
>>> cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for 
>>> our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the 
>>> Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I 
>>> pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I 
>>> understand that this would violate the private agreement within the 
>>> NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I 
>>> speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more 
>>> proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. 
>>> I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but 
>>> I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind 
>>> students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the 
>>> effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
>>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>> 
>>> Love,
>>> 
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students 
>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
>>> for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/blindcowgirl1993
>>> %4
>>> 0gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, 
>> Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
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>> 
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 14:29:11 2014
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 09:29:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pages App
Message-ID: <119B1461-1B6C-41D4-8CCD-9BCA8ED641B9@gmail.com>

Hi NABS,

I am trying to get a little feedback on the Pages App. I have purchased Documents to Go and downloaded the free version of  Evernote but I am not satisfied with neither of the app because they are not accessible from both the computer and my iPhone in my experience. Please tell me about your experiences with the Pages app or any other app that I can use a Blue Tooth keyboard and my iPhone to take notes in class. 

Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,
Tamika Williams 

Sent from my iPhone

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 14:39:07 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 08:39:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Pages App
In-Reply-To: <119B1461-1B6C-41D4-8CCD-9BCA8ED641B9@gmail.com>
References: <119B1461-1B6C-41D4-8CCD-9BCA8ED641B9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <33E40126-900C-476F-B020-3441A7922A7C@gmail.com>

Good morning! I have found the Pages app on my iPhone, and the pages app  on the Mac, very accessible. They should work just fine for taking notes. If you safe pages documents on the iPhone, the best recommendation I could give is to save them as Microsoft Word documents in drop box. I can send you a Dropbox invitation link so you can get more space as well.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:29, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS,
> 
> I am trying to get a little feedback on the Pages App. I have purchased Documents to Go and downloaded the free version of  Evernote but I am not satisfied with neither of the app because they are not accessible from both the computer and my iPhone in my experience. Please tell me about your experiences with the Pages app or any other app that I can use a Blue Tooth keyboard and my iPhone to take notes in class. 
> 
> Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,
> Tamika Williams 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun  6 15:10:48 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 10:10:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
In-Reply-To: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000157184283@mailfront3.g2host.com>

There are lots of reasons why a message may not come through 
immediately, and most of them have to do with the greater internet, 
not nfbnet.org

Dave

iiet At 10:11 PM 6/3/2014, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes ago.
>
>O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.
>
>I'd appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on 
>list to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox 
>under Mac mail.
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Antonio
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 15:45:33 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 10:45:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Pages App
In-Reply-To: <119B1461-1B6C-41D4-8CCD-9BCA8ED641B9@gmail.com>
References: <119B1461-1B6C-41D4-8CCD-9BCA8ED641B9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <47ACCAE7-116D-4C00-81EA-4F01E853A7FB@gmail.com>

I have found the pages app quite useful. It allows several different sharing options so there will be a way to access your documents on a computer. Are you using a windows or Mac machine?
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:29 AM, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS,
> 
> I am trying to get a little feedback on the Pages App. I have purchased Documents to Go and downloaded the free version of  Evernote but I am not satisfied with neither of the app because they are not accessible from both the computer and my iPhone in my experience. Please tell me about your experiences with the Pages app or any other app that I can use a Blue Tooth keyboard and my iPhone to take notes in class. 
> 
> Any feedback will be greatly appreciated,
> Tamika Williams 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kathrynwebster at me.com  Fri Jun  6 16:53:21 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 12:53:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Messages to the list
In-Reply-To: <auto-000157184283@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <AF39400F-2CE3-41B9-AF95-0E88DA5F0462@gmail.com>
	<auto-000157184283@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <8F372E24-41DD-4CE1-B1C0-D59BD0D4B03A@me.com>

Got it :)


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:10 AM, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There are lots of reasons why a message may not come through immediately, and most of them have to do with the greater internet, not nfbnet.org
> 
> Dave
> 
> iiet At 10:11 PM 6/3/2014, you wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I do not see messages form myself I sent to the list just a few minutes ago.
>> 
>> O wonder if this has anything to do with new settings on NFB Net.
>> 
>> I'd appreciate it if one of you would respond to this message on list to see if your response will appear in my NABS smart mailbox under Mac mail.
>> 
>> Thanks for your help,
>> 
>> Antonio
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 17:34:29 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 13:34:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone From The Perkins School For The
	Blind
In-Reply-To: <5391bc88.e1ecb60a.60aa.ffffc5d5@mx.google.com>
References: <5391bc88.e1ecb60a.60aa.ffffc5d5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4wL=6VGnQT363-_MY6mH9F42pBJ19LpJ1i=NQDLXO+Bg@mail.gmail.com>

hello Roanna Bacchus,


She is a Teacher of the V.I. and Parents Group Coordinator at Perkins
School for the Blind.

Hope that helps,

Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Dear Students,
>
> This message is for anyone from the Perkins School For The Blind.  I am
> looking for a teacher who taught me when I attended the Early Intervention
> Pogram there as a toddler.  Her name is Miss Harriet Ward.  If you know of
> her please email me.
>
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 18:18:40 2014
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:18:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
Message-ID: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>

Good Friday afternoon NABS,

I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important
points and clarifications.

First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board
positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a
"private agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that
has been discussed, considered and voted on several times dating back
to Arielle Silverman's stint as NABS President. I very much understand
why Justin and others have concerns about this policy. There is
certainly an element of unfairness to it. But it is important to
acknowledge that there are also legitimate arguments in favor of the
policy. The strongest of which being that placing somebody on the
agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that individual
enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes
everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate
fresh in the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one
candidate this opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And
if everybody who were running for a position was entitled to a spot on
the agenda, we would have little time left for anything else. I am not
saying that I either oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last
time we considered it. But it is something that was and has been
openly discussed among the NABS Board and voted on. Some on the Board
voted against the policy last time we discussed it, each of whom had a
full opportunity to voice opinions and each of whom possesses one of
the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses to make decisions
between national meetings. There is certainly space for disagreement,
but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which the
decision was made was legitimate.

Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the
Constitutions of the National Federation of the Blind or the National
Association of Blind Students. If anybody is aware of any such
conflict, I would be very grateful if it could be brought to my
attention, in which case we will certainly change course immediately.

Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to
contact me to discuss them.

Many thanks,

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
nabs.president at gmail.com


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 18:26:09 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:26:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
In-Reply-To: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012e01cf81b4$ca450110$5ecf0330$@gmail.com>

I thought it was called campaigning; isn't that the basic technique of
anyone who wants to run for office?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:19 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden

Good Friday afternoon NABS,

I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important points
and clarifications.

First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board
positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a "private
agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that has been discussed,
considered and voted on several times dating back to Arielle Silverman's
stint as NABS President. I very much understand why Justin and others have
concerns about this policy. There is certainly an element of unfairness to
it. But it is important to acknowledge that there are also legitimate
arguments in favor of the policy. The strongest of which being that placing
somebody on the agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that
individual enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes
everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate fresh in
the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one candidate this
opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And if everybody who
were running for a position was entitled to a spot on the agenda, we would
have little time left for anything else. I am not saying that I either
oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last time we considered it. But
it is something that was and has been openly discussed among the NABS Board
and voted on. Some on the Board voted against the policy last time we
discussed it, each of whom had a full opportunity to voice opinions and each
of whom possesses one of the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses
to make decisions between national meetings. There is certainly space for
disagreement, but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which
the decision was made was legitimate.

Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the Constitutions
of the National Federation of the Blind or the National Association of Blind
Students. If anybody is aware of any such conflict, I would be very grateful
if it could be brought to my attention, in which case we will certainly
change course immediately.

Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to contact
me to discuss them.

Many thanks,

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
nabs.president at gmail.com

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 18:29:28 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 14:29:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
In-Reply-To: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <012f01cf81b5$40c093e0$c241bba0$@gmail.com>

I understand that everyone doesn't have a chance to speak on the agenda, but
we have a finite time in the meeting, and to tel someone who is running for
office that they can't speak seems to be contradictory free choice, though,
all of your arguments make really good sense.  It just doesn't seem as if
doing such is necessary. Besides, how do we meet the officers anyway.  I
never quite knew who they were even when I was at the nabs meeting.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:19 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden

Good Friday afternoon NABS,

I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important points
and clarifications.

First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board
positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a "private
agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that has been discussed,
considered and voted on several times dating back to Arielle Silverman's
stint as NABS President. I very much understand why Justin and others have
concerns about this policy. There is certainly an element of unfairness to
it. But it is important to acknowledge that there are also legitimate
arguments in favor of the policy. The strongest of which being that placing
somebody on the agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that
individual enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes
everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate fresh in
the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one candidate this
opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And if everybody who
were running for a position was entitled to a spot on the agenda, we would
have little time left for anything else. I am not saying that I either
oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last time we considered it. But
it is something that was and has been openly discussed among the NABS Board
and voted on. Some on the Board voted against the policy last time we
discussed it, each of whom had a full opportunity to voice opinions and each
of whom possesses one of the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses
to make decisions between national meetings. There is certainly space for
disagreement, but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which
the decision was made was legitimate.

Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the Constitutions
of the National Federation of the Blind or the National Association of Blind
Students. If anybody is aware of any such conflict, I would be very grateful
if it could be brought to my attention, in which case we will certainly
change course immediately.

Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to contact
me to discuss them.

Many thanks,

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
nabs.president at gmail.com

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 18:49:02 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 11:49:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
In-Reply-To: <012f01cf81b5$40c093e0$c241bba0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAPnwOUMiXqmD-hw=gZZmHokV6xjmsoHLPN154SREsA1YiVnFdw@mail.gmail.com>
	<012f01cf81b5$40c093e0$c241bba0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EF44063-E869-4FD2-AB91-06E6E068F5D5@gmail.com>

Justin,
Since Sean has addressed the concerns surrounding the policy,
I will attempt to address the concern you present regarding getting to know the board.

Understanding that there is a finite amount of time to get a large amount of information to people, aside from the students social, and our website, there isn't a great deal of time to introduce board members. 
One might consider two possibilities: the first possibility would be to have introductions prior to the start of the agenda. The trick with this is to get all of the board members into the room and away from registering and crowd control in order to do those introductions.
A second possible option is to have a open board meeting at national convention in much the same way that our national board has done. 
No matter what option is thought up, identified or implemented, it is up to the board to make themselves available, and individuals wishing to get to know the board to take the initiative in order to make that happen.
That's just my little opinion on the matter.
Thanks,
Darian

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:29 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I understand that everyone doesn't have a chance to speak on the agenda, but
> we have a finite time in the meeting, and to tel someone who is running for
> office that they can't speak seems to be contradictory free choice, though,
> all of your arguments make really good sense.  It just doesn't seem as if
> doing such is necessary. Besides, how do we meet the officers anyway.  I
> never quite knew who they were even when I was at the nabs meeting.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:19 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
> 
> Good Friday afternoon NABS,
> 
> I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important points
> and clarifications.
> 
> First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board
> positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a "private
> agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that has been discussed,
> considered and voted on several times dating back to Arielle Silverman's
> stint as NABS President. I very much understand why Justin and others have
> concerns about this policy. There is certainly an element of unfairness to
> it. But it is important to acknowledge that there are also legitimate
> arguments in favor of the policy. The strongest of which being that placing
> somebody on the agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that
> individual enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes
> everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate fresh in
> the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one candidate this
> opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And if everybody who
> were running for a position was entitled to a spot on the agenda, we would
> have little time left for anything else. I am not saying that I either
> oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last time we considered it. But
> it is something that was and has been openly discussed among the NABS Board
> and voted on. Some on the Board voted against the policy last time we
> discussed it, each of whom had a full opportunity to voice opinions and each
> of whom possesses one of the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses
> to make decisions between national meetings. There is certainly space for
> disagreement, but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which
> the decision was made was legitimate.
> 
> Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the Constitutions
> of the National Federation of the Blind or the National Association of Blind
> Students. If anybody is aware of any such conflict, I would be very grateful
> if it could be brought to my attention, in which case we will certainly
> change course immediately.
> 
> Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to contact
> me to discuss them.
> 
> Many thanks,
> 
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> (608) 332-4147
> nabs.president at gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Jun  6 22:17:29 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 06 Jun 2014 18:17:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <119a50b2b5544683844eacf9f789bfd5@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <119a50b2b5544683844eacf9f789bfd5@BN1PR05MB408.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <53923DF9.3070202@tysdomain.com>

Hello:
first, I want to make it clear that I'm not associated with NABS in 
terms of NFB conventions and the like. I find this list really useful, 
so I sort of lurk here and do what I can to help out. I did happen to 
read this and some of the messages that came after though, and I have a 
few concerns/comments.

First of all, using this procedure as a way to start a campaign and 
garner sympathy, anger or a revolution feels really underhanded to me. 
As has already been pointed out, there is a pretty valid reason to have 
this in place, even if it should probably be listed in the constitution; 
the goal behind this, at least from what I understand of it is not to be 
vindictive or exclude those who are presenting, but to keep a forum in 
which people can speak free of campaigning. So what we have here is a 
message beginning with a point of contention, initially used to evoke 
shock, anger and incredulity. From here on, this message seemed to 
really strongly play up a specific person, while simultaneously slapping 
the current board in the face with a policy,  which as I understand has 
been around at least since Arielle was president. If one wishes to run 
for any elected position, I believe it is crucial to develop a working 
relationship with those current officers. Taking a policy out of context 
in order to launch your campaign not only hurts the current elected 
board members, but it does not further any relationships that one will 
need in the future to insure success; after all, an elected member can 
not take over operations fully without a lot of information and incite 
from previous officers, even if that member is already on the board. It 
also seems as if as a current board member, the responsibility to 
disclose such information would have been before now if it does truly 
need to be changed and not as a pivotal point for a campaign.

As I mentioned before, this message and to a point the beginning of this 
campaign rubbed me wrong, but I had to reread it a couple times before I 
could actually put a finger on it. So I'm going to be perfectly honest 
here, since I've already mentioned the cause this was based on; I have 
just mention my thoughts with quotes, taken directly from the message 
itself.

"I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my 
article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do 
not hold grudges." My first question was exactly what one would have to 
hold a grudge about. Subsequent to this though, I took a bigger look at 
this post in general. It feels as a self-glorification, littered with 
numerous subtle and not-so-subtle references to past deeds, while still 
attempting to remain humble. While a campaign might be about showcasing 
your past achievements, the part about grudges really caught me off 
guard. If one really truly wishes to go forward and change, then it 
should be evident; there would not need to be any scattered hints or 
references to a grudge in a place where it does not belong.

"I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a 
regional high school on the UConn campus." This again felt a bit odd; 
it's almost as if there is an attempt being made to put in something for 
everyone here, but it again is really out of context, as is the 
following information.

"I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I 
want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, 
on the railroad that we can build
together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and 
security for the blind." If one wishes not to be noticed for something, 
the best way to insure that it doesn't happen is to start by not 
mentioning it. If you wish for your decorated resume not to be a 
pedestal, then there is no logical reasoning in mentioning it.

I do know that transparency is a goal any organization should strive for 
and I am glad this is being brought up, as it will allow for discussion 
and makes this public knowledge. Perhaps this was private policy, though 
I do question the timing of mentioning it now; or perhaps it was just a 
policy, which should have been written into the constitution, but which 
was created without intentions of excluding those who wish to speak from 
simultaneously running for a position. I would also say that further 
involvement from the board would be excellent, especially with an 
organization such as NABS. I have personally been curious as to how I 
can become involved, but have not seen an outlet to do so as of yet. I 
do follow this list fairly closely and have really only seen Darrian 
mention confirence calls from time to time. I believe that any member 
wishing to run for a position should strive to further involve the board 
with current NABS members, and perhaps work to create outlets through 
which members can become involved. I would similarly like to see more 
ideas being proposed; as I have already stated, the only real change 
that I seen mentioned was to somehow remove this policy of contention.

Thanks,
Ty
On 6/5/2014 7:41 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l wrote:
> Fellow Federationists:
> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, some frien
>   ds and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both student-specific issues
>    and the broader efforts of the National Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>
> Love,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>
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http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.




From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Jun  6 22:39:27 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 18:39:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Hello Justin,



Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as this one 
provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when casting
their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot attend national
convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization despite
the fact that they are not able to attend national convention. Therefore, I
encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of seeking
election to the email list as well.


At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear on the
agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the first place.
However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a policy could
be important for our organization.


The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about national convention
is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is asked
to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they are studying,
and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from college. I have
often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short speaches.


During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what I
remember about this particular speech was not what the person said about themselves,
but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember about the speech
was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was seeking
election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them rather
distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an unfair
advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.


Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking election to
speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent anyone
from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek election a fair
chance during the elections. 


I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak on the
agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It seems to
me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that is fair
to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the account
of one person.


Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to promote
their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems to create
a disadvantage for others during the elections.


Warm regards,

Elizabeth



 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
> 
> Love,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jun  6 23:32:57 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 16:32:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Ty and all,
Thank you for such a well fought out and articulated post
 It is unfortunate that we have to have had something so divisive would be the reason why all of us would be coming together on this list to have a spirited discussion. 
While it is unfair for me to attempt to address why my colleague and friend, Justin Salisbury  went about communicating what he communicated, I do appreciate what it ultimately in vogue. What this all tells me is that we have a number of people who care about the direction of The student division, and consider this student division their division which is exactly the attitude we all should have.
 This is the same attitude we ought to have about every other part of the national Federation of the blin because this is our federation.
Anyone who wants to be involved in the work that is the Federation at large or are Student Division in particular should feel empowered to reach out to any of the nine members of the board of directors (Our information is listed on the website of the Student Division www.nabs link.org) also, if any of us post on the half of the division, please do contact us directly at that time as well 
Our division has made efforts to be more transparent, sometimes we are more successful at it and then other times but this . If someone sees a way that we can improve, we want the suggestion… We love your support in actually care  that you bring it up. We also would love your support in carrying the work out. 
Basically, please bring up ways that we can do something better, also feel empowered to take an active role in getting our mission accomplished. To be sure, elected officer has an important steak and standing in leading the organization, making sure that what membership once gets done. Not lost and all of this is the important work that our membership can do to contribute . The support of our membership does not start and end at electing the officers , But includes helping to build the membership, raise the money come write the articles, spread the word about the Federation granted, the policy is definitely flawed, but is also created with the idea granted, the policy isn't without flaw but it was something created with equity in mind, and if someone else has a better idea then I for one am most certainly open to hearing it.   I am a part of the board of the Student Division, so it is a policy that we voted on. Whether or not I agree with that, we voted on it. If it is true that the division has not done it sufficient job to notify, reach out to and involved members and the work that needs to get done then as a member of the division, I have not done a good enough job and I do/we do need this feedback.   
Many thanks and let's keep it constructive, encouraging, progressing. d 


> On Jun 6, 2014, at 3:17 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> first, I want to make it clear that I'm not associated with NABS in terms of NFB conventions and the like. I find this list really useful, so I sort of lurk here and do what I can to help out. I did happen to read this and some of the messages that came after though, and I have a few concerns/comments.
> 
> First of all, using this procedure as a way to start a campaign and garner sympathy, anger or a revolution feels really underhanded to me. As has already been pointed out, there is a pretty valid reason to have this in place, even if it should probably be listed in the constitution; the goal behind this, at least from what I understand of it is not to be vindictive or exclude those who are presenting, but to keep a forum in which people can speak free of campaigning. So what we have here is a message beginning with a point of contention, initially used to evoke shock, anger and incredulity. From here on, this message seemed to really strongly play up a specific person, while simultaneously slapping the current board in the face with a policy,  which as I understand has been around at least since Arielle was president. If one wishes torun for any elected position, I believe it is crucial to develop a working relationship with those current officers. Taking a policy out of context in order to launch your campaign not only hurts the current elected board members, but it does not further any relationships that one will need in the future to insure success; after all, an elected member can not take over operations fully without a lot of information and incite from previous officers, even if that member is already on the board. It also seems as if as a current board member, the responsibility to disclose suchinformation would have been before now if it does truly need to be changed and not as a pivotal point for a campaign.
> 
> As I mentioned before, this message and to a point the beginning of this campaign rubbed me wrong, but I had to reread it a couple times before I could actually put a finger on it. So I'm going to be perfectly honest here, since I've already mentioned the cause this was based on; I have just mention my thoughts with quotes, taken directly from the message itself.
> 
> "I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges." My first question was exactly what one would have to hold a grudge about. Subsequent to this though, I took a bigger look at this post in general. It feels as a self-glorification, littered with numerous subtle and not-so-subtle references to past deeds, while still attempting to remain humble. While a campaign might be about showcasing your past achievements, the part about grudges really caught me off guard. If one really truly wishes to go forward and change, then it should be evident; there would not need to be any scattered hints or references to a grudge in a place where it does not belong.
> 
> "I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus." This again felt a bit odd; it's almost as if there is an attempt being made to put in something for everyone here, but it again is really out of context, as is the following information.
> 
> "I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build
> together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind." If one wishes not to be noticed for something, the best way to insure that it doesn't happen is to start by not mentioning it. If you wish for your decorated resume not to be a pedestal, then there is no logical reasoning in mentioning it.
> 
> I do know that transparency is a goal any organization should strive for and I am glad this is being brought up, as it will allow for discussion and makes this public knowledge. Perhaps this was private policy, though I do question the timing of mentioning it now; or perhaps it was just a policy, which should have been written into the constitution, but which was created without intentions of excluding those who wish to speak from simultaneously running for a position. I would also say that further involvement from the board would be excellent, especially with an organization such as NABS. I have personally been curious as to how I can become involved, but have not seen an outlet to do so as of yet. I do follow this list fairly closely and have really only seen Darrian mention confirence calls from time to time. I believe that any member wishing to run for a position should strive to further involve the board with current NABS members, and perhaps work to create outlets through which members can become involved. I would similarly like to see more ideas being proposed; as I have already stated, the only real change that I seen mentioned was to somehow remove this policy of contention.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ty
>> On 6/5/2014 7:41 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l wrote:
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, some frien
>>  ds and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both student-specific issues
>>   and the broader efforts of the National Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>> 
>> Love,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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> 
> 
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> Take care,
> Ty
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> 
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From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 01:39:04 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:39:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Basic word processing apps for iPhone
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Hi NABS
Was just wondering if anyone has had much experience with using IA
writer or pages on the iPhone with a braille display. If so, what are
your initial thoughts? Are they viable options for basic word
processing, and is it possible to transfer documents created with
these apps to computers via drop box or iCloud?
I appreciate any feedback
Thanks, Kayla


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 01:39:54 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:39:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting someone speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does speak and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use that time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be violating the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from the elections process
Let me know what you guys think.
Aleeha

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Justin,
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as this one 
> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when casting
> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot attend national
> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization despite
> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention. Therefore, I
> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of seeking
> election to the email list as well.
> 
> 
> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear on the
> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the first place.
> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a policy could
> be important for our organization.
> 
> 
> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about national convention
> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is asked
> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they are studying,
> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from college. I have
> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short speaches.
> 
> 
> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what I
> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said about themselves,
> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember about the speech
> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was seeking
> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them rather
> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an unfair
> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
> 
> 
> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking election to
> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent anyone
> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek election a fair
> chance during the elections. 
> 
> 
> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak on the
> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It seems to
> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that is fair
> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the account
> of one person.
> 
> 
> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to promote
> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems to create
> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
> 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>> 
>> Love,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 01:47:32 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:47:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Aleeha,

It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
advantage

On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting someone
> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does speak
> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use that
> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be violating
> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from the
> elections process
> Let me know what you guys think.
> Aleeha
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello Justin,
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as this
>> one
>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>> casting
>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot
>> attend national
>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization
>> despite
>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention. Therefore,
>> I
>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>> seeking
>> election to the email list as well.
>>
>>
>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear on
>> the
>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the first
>> place.
>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a
>> policy could
>> be important for our organization.
>>
>>
>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>> national convention
>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is
>> asked
>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they
>> are studying,
>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from college.
>> I have
>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>> speaches.
>>
>>
>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what I
>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said about
>> themselves,
>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember about
>> the speech
>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>> seeking
>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>> rather
>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an unfair
>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>
>>
>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>> election to
>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent
>> anyone
>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek election a
>> fair
>> chance during the elections.
>>
>>
>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak on
>> the
>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It
>> seems to
>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that is
>> fair
>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the
>> account
>> of one person.
>>
>>
>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to
>> promote
>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems to
>> create
>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>
>>
>> Warm regards,
>>
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a
>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the
>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I am
>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for
>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because I
>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way NABS
>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter,
>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to
>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like
>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary
>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully,
>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the
>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it to
>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we
>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on
>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a
>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind is
>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an article
>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student
>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was
>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet
>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a
>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college campuses
>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the
>>> organized blind movement.
>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more
>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and the
>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to further
>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students
>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership philosophy
>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on a
>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high
>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and
>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's
>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will
>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of Wisconsin-Madison
>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor. I
>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell
>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind changed
>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to share
>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private agreement
>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case.
>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud to
>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want voters
>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other
>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>
>>> Love,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 01:53:47 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:53:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.

As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an
advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about
his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be
casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other
candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really
surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this
policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the
student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been
written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so
that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.

Minh

On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aleeha,
>
> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
> advantage
>
> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting someone
>> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does
>> speak
>> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use
>> that
>> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be
>> violating
>> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from
>> the
>> elections process
>> Let me know what you guys think.
>> Aleeha
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Justin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as
>>> this
>>> one
>>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>>> casting
>>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot
>>> attend national
>>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization
>>> despite
>>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>> Therefore,
>>> I
>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>>> seeking
>>> election to the email list as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear
>>> on
>>> the
>>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the first
>>> place.
>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a
>>> policy could
>>> be important for our organization.
>>>
>>>
>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>>> national convention
>>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is
>>> asked
>>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they
>>> are studying,
>>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from
>>> college.
>>> I have
>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>>> speaches.
>>>
>>>
>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what I
>>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said about
>>> themselves,
>>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember
>>> about
>>> the speech
>>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>>> seeking
>>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>>> rather
>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an
>>> unfair
>>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>
>>>
>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>>> election to
>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent
>>> anyone
>>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek election
>>> a
>>> fair
>>> chance during the elections.
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak
>>> on
>>> the
>>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It
>>> seems to
>>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that
>>> is
>>> fair
>>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the
>>> account
>>> of one person.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to
>>> promote
>>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems to
>>> create
>>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a
>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the
>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I
>>>> am
>>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for
>>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because
>>>> I
>>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way
>>>> NABS
>>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter,
>>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted
>>>> to
>>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel
>>>> like
>>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary
>>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully,
>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off
>>>> the
>>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it
>>>> to
>>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we
>>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on
>>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a
>>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind
>>>> is
>>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an
>>>> article
>>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student
>>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you was
>>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet
>>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a
>>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>>>> campuses
>>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in
>>>> the
>>>> organized blind movement.
>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more
>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and
>>>> the
>>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>>>> further
>>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind students
>>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>>>> philosophy
>>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on
>>>> a
>>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high
>>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity
>>>> and
>>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's
>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will
>>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>>>> Wisconsin-Madison
>>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel instructor.
>>>> I
>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell
>>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>> changed
>>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to
>>>> share
>>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private
>>>> agreement
>>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case.
>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud
>>>> to
>>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>>>> voters
>>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless other
>>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Love,
>>>>
>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>> Board Member
>>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>
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>
> --
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>


-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 03:01:40 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 20:01:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Hi All,

Great discussion!

First, I'll talk about the topic at hand. I do want to bring up
something that makes the policy a bit complicated. If the president is
seeking reelection, they still have to give their report. It would be
inane to remove the presidential report from the agenda. Furthermore,
the presidential report consists of one of the longer time slots on
the agenda.

On one hand, I think it is the responsibility of candidates to
campaign for themselves, and whether someone gets a slot is jut their
luck. If a candidate truly has a good agenda and is personable, they
should be able to influence election results based on campaigning
before the meeting. I was in a contested election for my position as
secretary in 2011. All of us candidates worked hard to convince NABS
that we were the best, and none of us had slots on the agenda. We did
such a good job of networking before the meeting that the secretarial
election had to be counted. I think this speaks to the power of
networking beforehand. Maybe I won because someone spoke out about me
during the agenda. I don't know, but I did not count on the meeting at
all to win me the election. I introduced myself to everyone at the
NABS hospitality night. I campaigned even before convention started.
And as a board member who is not seeking reelection, I plan to still
introduce myself to everyone at our NABS social, and I plan to always
campaign for NABS and the NFB whether I am at national convention,
meeting a blind person for the first time, or educating someone in
public. We can all get out there and talk and network, and although we
have few opportunities to meet in person, NABS does attempt to host a
few activities on the agenda to get students talking.

However, I realize that there is an unfair advantage, and there is no
way to completely guarantee that someone will not spam the agenda.
Furthermore, as Elizabeth mentioned, in 2011, the candidate, who in
fact was me, didn't even promote herself on the agenda; someone else
did. This promotion was unsolicited and actually evoked embarrassment
on my part and the situation has long since been resolved and is no
longer an issue. But I bring it up to say that such a policy can't
guarantee that other speakers won't use the agenda to promote who they
support, so in that sense, the policy is in no way comprehensive at
guaranteeing that the agenda won't contain campaigning.

All that being said, it appears that the membership has differing
views on the topic, and I encourage the opinions to keep coming.
Motions can be made, and the policy can be changed if we revisit it as
a board. And a good indication that a policy needs revisiting is when
the membership comes out and says something about it.

Like some board members have iterated, the policy was never secret,
but I agree that we could do a better job disseminating such
information and am happy to take ideas for that which segues in to my
second topic.



I have some great memories working on the board and getting input from
membership. The first 2 years I was on the board, I was on the Slate
committee. Along with the many members who contributed to our
newsletter, we did a holiday piece where we invited the membership to
write paragraphs about their holiday traditions. It was really fun to
collect and read the stories, and I hope that we can incorporate mass
mini articles like that in the future. I plan to volunteer on the
Slate committee again when I finish my term as NABS secretary at
convention.

Another memory that stands out and is much more poignant to our
movement than holiday stories was the TEACH stories campaign. I
collected about 60 stories that were printed and sent with delegations
to their appointments on the hill. This experience shows that personal
stories do matter and indirectly in the process, I was able to assist
several story writers to learn who their representative was. Knowing
one's congressional representative is crucial to making a difference
because notes from constituents matter most. This was a direct way
that NABS got involved with the TEACH act, and it was through the NABS
list and word of mouth that I was able to collect many stories.

Finally, last year, I could not attend national convention so I
offered to coordinate volunteers for our various events at convention.
Again, I reached out to NABS and people that I knew. My spreadsheets
quickly filled with awesome volunteers. That effort was carried out
through the NABS list.

Coupled with these good memories are frustrating memories. I know for
a fact and can prove through email archive searches that after every
national convention when I was on the board, we evaluated what
committees we wanted to have. This was always followed by recruitment
of committee members via the list serve. There have been a few great
souls who have come forward and done great work. For example, although
not at all comprehensive, Tony Olivero tirelessly maintains our
website. Although not always apparent on the surface, he has assisted
us in improving our web presence and efficiency. Online registration
for events was implemented by him, and now, whenever we update our
database with a new leader, their contact information automatically
populates the state student division contact page. Elizabeth is always
willing to get us tons of great auction items and door prizes donated.
Mary Fernandez was awarded a service award from us last year because
of the initiative she has taken to coordinate NABS candidate debate
calls and the national convention NABS mentoring program.
However, I cannot count the number of times one of our board members
or active volunteers has emailed NABS asking for help or contributions
for one project or another for us to convene and sadly realize that no
one responded to our emails.

I believe that as a board, we can do better at disseminating this
information on multiple social media platforms, and since convention
is around the corner, it is a perfect time to take suggestions and
make an action plan for how we will recruit committee members, event
volunteers, and contributors for our various fundraising efforts and
Slate newsletters.

Furthermore, only one tenth of congress seems to understand the
importance of the TEACH act. Sixty stories was not enough and
certainly not representative of the over 100 students who attend our
business meeting each year. I am excited that I got holiday stories,
TEACH stories, and volunteers, through my recruitment on the NABS
list. But I also remember hounding my board members to reach out to
their state student divisions at the last minute to fulfill our need
for event volunteers and to get our TEACH stories up.

As a board, we need to do better at communicating, and I hope to
continue to represent NABS as an active volunteer while I am in grad
school. But we shouldn't have to hound our membership to participate
in programs and to be active in the movement.

That being said, we are also an organization that helps each other.
Maybe you don't know how to get involved. Maybe you don't know how
your skills can benefit the movement. Please, please, please reach out
to a leader you trust or to one of the board members as I can
guarantee that we can always use you! Nothing makes my day more than
watching leaders come in my stead and take on new responsibilities. I
am still young and know that my mentors look at my leadership growth
in the same light. But I am not fulfilling my purpose in the NFB and
my overall purpose of being a good person living for the world if I am
not actively mentoring others. And I would absolutely love to talk to
any of you about how you can start with little projects and build your
leadership potential.

I appreciate that transparency is being brought up and I am not
holding NABS accountable to refute members who hold me as a board
member accountable. But I am genuinely looking forward to feedback
from everyone on how we can optimize a two-way communication stream so
we can best serve each other. This will optimize our effectiveness in
the movement.

So in short, participate in the Republican Blitz next week! We'll come
calling for convention volunteers soon, so be on the look out for
opportunities to sign up for shifts. We are always looking for door
prizes for our business meeting and this year, for Monte Carlo as
well, so contributions in that realm will be much appreciated. And
finally, please take the initiative to talk to us so that in the
future, these discussions can happen without an emotive email at the
beginning of the thread. :)

Cindy



On 6/6/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.
>
> As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an
> advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about
> his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be
> casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other
> candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really
> surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this
> policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the
> student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been
> written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so
> that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.
>
> Minh
>
> On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Aleeha,
>>
>> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
>> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
>> advantage
>>
>> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting
>>> someone
>>> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does
>>> speak
>>> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use
>>> that
>>> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be
>>> violating
>>> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from
>>> the
>>> elections process
>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>> Aleeha
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>>>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as
>>>> this
>>>> one
>>>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>>>> casting
>>>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot
>>>> attend national
>>>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization
>>>> despite
>>>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>>> Therefore,
>>>> I
>>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>>>> seeking
>>>> election to the email list as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>>>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear
>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the
>>>> first
>>>> place.
>>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a
>>>> policy could
>>>> be important for our organization.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>>>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>>>> national convention
>>>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is
>>>> asked
>>>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they
>>>> are studying,
>>>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from
>>>> college.
>>>> I have
>>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>>>> speaches.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what
>>>> I
>>>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said
>>>> about
>>>> themselves,
>>>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember
>>>> about
>>>> the speech
>>>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>>>> seeking
>>>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>>>> rather
>>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an
>>>> unfair
>>>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>>>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>>>> election to
>>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent
>>>> anyone
>>>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek
>>>> election
>>>> a
>>>> fair
>>>> chance during the elections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>>>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak
>>>> on
>>>> the
>>>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It
>>>> seems to
>>>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that
>>>> is
>>>> fair
>>>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the
>>>> account
>>>> of one person.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to
>>>> promote
>>>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems
>>>> to
>>>> create
>>>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>
>>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a
>>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the
>>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I
>>>>> am
>>>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for
>>>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because
>>>>> I
>>>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way
>>>>> NABS
>>>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter,
>>>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted
>>>>> to
>>>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel
>>>>> like
>>>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary
>>>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully,
>>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off
>>>>> the
>>>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it
>>>>> to
>>>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we
>>>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on
>>>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a
>>>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> is
>>>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an
>>>>> article
>>>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student
>>>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you
>>>>> was
>>>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet
>>>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous;
>>>>> a
>>>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>>>>> campuses
>>>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in
>>>>> the
>>>>> organized blind movement.
>>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more
>>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and
>>>>> the
>>>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>>>>> further
>>>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind
>>>>> students
>>>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>>>>> philosophy
>>>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on
>>>>> a
>>>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high
>>>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity
>>>>> and
>>>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's
>>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will
>>>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>>>>> Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel
>>>>> instructor.
>>>>> I
>>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell
>>>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>> changed
>>>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to
>>>>> share
>>>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private
>>>>> agreement
>>>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case.
>>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud
>>>>> to
>>>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>>>>> voters
>>>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless
>>>>> other
>>>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Love,
>>>>>
>>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>>> Board Member
>>>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>
>
>
> --
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 04:05:50 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 21:05:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Step Trackers on iPhone
Message-ID: <CACUFQdypJHr7qXLVQrbFhn+4ADM6dVZnNmcww73mt+-T1ydaoQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I know this is more for sports and rec, but I thought I'd use my
resources first.

Do any of you know about an iPhone app that uses the gyroscope to detect steps?

I have heard of apps that do hypothetical computations of steps and
running progress, but I don't want that. I also know of apps that
compare your progress on a GPS to hypothetical step distance, but I am
not in  a position where I can run outside currently, so I am also not
interested in that.

I may purchase a Fitbit, so if any of you use the iOS app, I'd love to
hear about accessibility. I plan on downloading it soon and checking
it out.

Thanks,

-- 
Cindy Bennett
Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sat Jun  7 04:08:53 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 6 Jun 2014 23:08:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Step Trackers on iPhone
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Hi Cind mass suggests that you may want to post this to a iOS list what is
your question, I believe that met my walk will do what you want this to do.
||Y,

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cindy Bennett
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 11:06 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Step Trackers on iPhone

Hi,

I know this is more for sports and rec, but I thought I'd use my resources
first.

Do any of you know about an iPhone app that uses the gyroscope to detect
steps?

I have heard of apps that do hypothetical computations of steps and running
progress, but I don't want that. I also know of apps that compare your
progress on a GPS to hypothetical step distance, but I am not in  a position
where I can run outside currently, so I am also not interested in that.

I may purchase a Fitbit, so if any of you use the iOS app, I'd love to hear
about accessibility. I plan on downloading it soon and checking it out.

Thanks,

--
Cindy Bennett
Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com

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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 09:48:54 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 04:48:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Basic word processing apps for iPhone
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I've had great luck with pages. I've used it with a Braille display with great success. Documents can be transferred via iCloud and email. I'm not sure about Dropbox. 
Hth
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS
> Was just wondering if anyone has had much experience with using IA
> writer or pages on the iPhone with a braille display. If so, what are
> your initial thoughts? Are they viable options for basic word
> processing, and is it possible to transfer documents created with
> these apps to computers via drop box or iCloud?
> I appreciate any feedback
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jun  7 14:52:17 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 07 Jun 2014 10:52:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Basic word processing apps for iPhone
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Yes they can. Email me off list if you need help with pages.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 7, 2014, at 5:48 AM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've had great luck with pages. I've used it with a Braille display with great success. Documents can be transferred via iCloud and email. I'm not sure about Dropbox. 
> Hth
> Alyssa 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 8:39 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi NABS
>> Was just wondering if anyone has had much experience with using IA
>> writer or pages on the iPhone with a braille display. If so, what are
>> your initial thoughts? Are they viable options for basic word
>> processing, and is it possible to transfer documents created with
>> these apps to computers via drop box or iCloud?
>> I appreciate any feedback
>> Thanks, Kayla
>> 
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sat Jun  7 17:12:18 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 10:12:18 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] Zoomtext compatibility
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Hi all,
         For my publishing internship, I had to add comments to a PDF, so I downloaded the free trial for Adobe 11, but it does not seem to be compatible with Zoomtext. Does anyone have any suggestions or know if another version of Adobe works better with  Zoomtext 10.1?
 
Thank you,
Kaley

From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Jun  7 18:11:04 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:11:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Zoomtext compatibility
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What do you mean by not compatible?


On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 10:12 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>          For my publishing internship, I had to add comments to a PDF, so
> I downloaded the free trial for Adobe 11, but it does not seem to be
> compatible with Zoomtext. Does anyone have any suggestions or know if
> another version of Adobe works better with  Zoomtext 10.1?
>
> Thank you,
> Kaley
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 21:23:59 2014
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 16:23:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
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Just a little to add to Derion's suggestions, I also think that in addition to the face to face meeting I think there has been "Meet the Board"  phone conferences that NABS should continue and the members should take that opportunity to ask questions. In addition give each officer the opportunity to layout their background and contributions.

Alsoo I did see another message with thiw topic so forgive me if I am repeating what someone has already said.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 1:49 PM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Justin,
> Since Sean has addressed the concerns surrounding the policy,
> I will attempt to address the concern you present regarding getting to know the board.
> 
> Understanding that there is a finite amount of time to get a large amount of information to people, aside from the students social, and our website, there isn't a great deal of time to introduce board members. 
> One might consider two possibilities: the first possibility would be to have introductions prior to the start of the agenda. The trick with this is to get all of the board members into the room and away from registering and crowd control in order to do those introductions.
> A second possible option is to have a open board meeting at national convention in much the same way that our national board has done. 
> No matter what option is thought up, identified or implemented, it is up to the board to make themselves available, and individuals wishing to get to know the board to take the initiative in order to make that happen.
> That's just my little opinion on the matter.
> Thanks,
> Darian
> 
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 11:29 AM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I understand that everyone doesn't have a chance to speak on the agenda, but
>> we have a finite time in the meeting, and to tel someone who is running for
>> office that they can't speak seems to be contradictory free choice, though,
>> all of your arguments make really good sense.  It just doesn't seem as if
>> doing such is necessary. Besides, how do we meet the officers anyway.  I
>> never quite knew who they were even when I was at the nabs meeting.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:19 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden
>> 
>> Good Friday afternoon NABS,
>> 
>> I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important points
>> and clarifications.
>> 
>> First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board
>> positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a "private
>> agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that has been discussed,
>> considered and voted on several times dating back to Arielle Silverman's
>> stint as NABS President. I very much understand why Justin and others have
>> concerns about this policy. There is certainly an element of unfairness to
>> it. But it is important to acknowledge that there are also legitimate
>> arguments in favor of the policy. The strongest of which being that placing
>> somebody on the agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that
>> individual enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes
>> everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate fresh in
>> the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one candidate this
>> opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And if everybody who
>> were running for a position was entitled to a spot on the agenda, we would
>> have little time left for anything else. I am not saying that I either
>> oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last time we considered it. But
>> it is something that was and has been openly discussed among the NABS Board
>> and voted on. Some on the Board voted against the policy last time we
>> discussed it, each of whom had a full opportunity to voice opinions and each
>> of whom possesses one of the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses
>> to make decisions between national meetings. There is certainly space for
>> disagreement, but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which
>> the decision was made was legitimate.
>> 
>> Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the Constitutions
>> of the National Federation of the Blind or the National Association of Blind
>> Students. If anybody is aware of any such conflict, I would be very grateful
>> if it could be brought to my attention, in which case we will certainly
>> change course immediately.
>> 
>> Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to contact
>> me to discuss them.
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> Sean Whalen
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> (608) 332-4147
>> nabs.president at gmail.com
>> 
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From twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com  Sat Jun  7 22:46:13 2014
From: twilliams.jaguars at gmail.com (Tamika Williams)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 17:46:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Hi NABS,

While I understand Justin's concerns and frustrations;I do not think that the policy should be changed. for the same reasoning of unfairness previously stated. Instead, I do support the idea to include it in the Constitution.   In my opinion Justin probably post to the list with great ambition but in a bit of frustrated moment  and could have maybe waited to post his campaign until the frustration was gone. In addition, speaking as a former state president, I don't think NABS tried to hide this or make it private. As the leaders change there will always be something that will be changed or done differently from other previous leaders and it does not always occur to the leaders that it is important enough to make it an addition to the Constitution or to make a public announcement. In short, my opinion is to add it to the constitution upon majority membership vote at national convention.

Thanks,
Tamika Williams    

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> Great discussion!
> 
> First, I'll talk about the topic at hand. I do want to bring up
> something that makes the policy a bit complicated. If the president is
> seeking reelection, they still have to give their report. It would be
> inane to remove the presidential report from the agenda. Furthermore,
> the presidential report consists of one of the longer time slots on
> the agenda.
> 
> On one hand, I think it is the responsibility of candidates to
> campaign for themselves, and whether someone gets a slot is jut their
> luck. If a candidate truly has a good agenda and is personable, they
> should be able to influence election results based on campaigning
> before the meeting. I was in a contested election for my position as
> secretary in 2011. All of us candidates worked hard to convince NABS
> that we were the best, and none of us had slots on the agenda. We did
> such a good job of networking before the meeting that the secretarial
> election had to be counted. I think this speaks to the power of
> networking beforehand. Maybe I won because someone spoke out about me
> during the agenda. I don't know, but I did not count on the meeting at
> all to win me the election. I introduced myself to everyone at the
> NABS hospitality night. I campaigned even before convention started.
> And as a board member who is not seeking reelection, I plan to still
> introduce myself to everyone at our NABS social, and I plan to always
> campaign for NABS and the NFB whether I am at national convention,
> meeting a blind person for the first time, or educating someone in
> public. We can all get out there and talk and network, and although we
> have few opportunities to meet in person, NABS does attempt to host a
> few activities on the agenda to get students talking.
> 
> However, I realize that there is an unfair advantage, and there is no
> way to completely guarantee that someone will not spam the agenda.
> Furthermore, as Elizabeth mentioned, in 2011, the candidate, who in
> fact was me, didn't even promote herself on the agenda; someone else
> did. This promotion was unsolicited and actually evoked embarrassment
> on my part and the situation has long since been resolved and is no
> longer an issue. But I bring it up to say that such a policy can't
> guarantee that other speakers won't use the agenda to promote who they
> support, so in that sense, the policy is in no way comprehensive at
> guaranteeing that the agenda won't contain campaigning.
> 
> All that being said, it appears that the membership has differing
> views on the topic, and I encourage the opinions to keep coming.
> Motions can be made, and the policy can be changed if we revisit it as
> a board. And a good indication that a policy needs revisiting is when
> the membership comes out and says something about it.
> 
> Like some board members have iterated, the policy was never secret,
> but I agree that we could do a better job disseminating such
> information and am happy to take ideas for that which segues in to my
> second topic.
> 
> 
> 
> I have some great memories working on the board and getting input from
> membership. The first 2 years I was on the board, I was on the Slate
> committee. Along with the many members who contributed to our
> newsletter, we did a holiday piece where we invited the membership to
> write paragraphs about their holiday traditions. It was really fun to
> collect and read the stories, and I hope that we can incorporate mass
> mini articles like that in the future. I plan to volunteer on the
> Slate committee again when I finish my term as NABS secretary at
> convention.
> 
> Another memory that stands out and is much more poignant to our
> movement than holiday stories was the TEACH stories campaign. I
> collected about 60 stories that were printed and sent with delegations
> to their appointments on the hill. This experience shows that personal
> stories do matter and indirectly in the process, I was able to assist
> several story writers to learn who their representative was. Knowing
> one's congressional representative is crucial to making a difference
> because notes from constituents matter most. This was a direct way
> that NABS got involved with the TEACH act, and it was through the NABS
> list and word of mouth that I was able to collect many stories.
> 
> Finally, last year, I could not attend national convention so I
> offered to coordinate volunteers for our various events at convention.
> Again, I reached out to NABS and people that I knew. My spreadsheets
> quickly filled with awesome volunteers. That effort was carried out
> through the NABS list.
> 
> Coupled with these good memories are frustrating memories. I know for
> a fact and can prove through email archive searches that after every
> national convention when I was on the board, we evaluated what
> committees we wanted to have. This was always followed by recruitment
> of committee members via the list serve. There have been a few great
> souls who have come forward and done great work. For example, although
> not at all comprehensive, Tony Olivero tirelessly maintains our
> website. Although not always apparent on the surface, he has assisted
> us in improving our web presence and efficiency. Online registration
> for events was implemented by him, and now, whenever we update our
> database with a new leader, their contact information automatically
> populates the state student division contact page. Elizabeth is always
> willing to get us tons of great auction items and door prizes donated.
> Mary Fernandez was awarded a service award from us last year because
> of the initiative she has taken to coordinate NABS candidate debate
> calls and the national convention NABS mentoring program.
> However, I cannot count the number of times one of our board members
> or active volunteers has emailed NABS asking for help or contributions
> for one project or another for us to convene and sadly realize that no
> one responded to our emails.
> 
> I believe that as a board, we can do better at disseminating this
> information on multiple social media platforms, and since convention
> is around the corner, it is a perfect time to take suggestions and
> make an action plan for how we will recruit committee members, event
> volunteers, and contributors for our various fundraising efforts and
> Slate newsletters.
> 
> Furthermore, only one tenth of congress seems to understand the
> importance of the TEACH act. Sixty stories was not enough and
> certainly not representative of the over 100 students who attend our
> business meeting each year. I am excited that I got holiday stories,
> TEACH stories, and volunteers, through my recruitment on the NABS
> list. But I also remember hounding my board members to reach out to
> their state student divisions at the last minute to fulfill our need
> for event volunteers and to get our TEACH stories up.
> 
> As a board, we need to do better at communicating, and I hope to
> continue to represent NABS as an active volunteer while I am in grad
> school. But we shouldn't have to hound our membership to participate
> in programs and to be active in the movement.
> 
> That being said, we are also an organization that helps each other.
> Maybe you don't know how to get involved. Maybe you don't know how
> your skills can benefit the movement. Please, please, please reach out
> to a leader you trust or to one of the board members as I can
> guarantee that we can always use you! Nothing makes my day more than
> watching leaders come in my stead and take on new responsibilities. I
> am still young and know that my mentors look at my leadership growth
> in the same light. But I am not fulfilling my purpose in the NFB and
> my overall purpose of being a good person living for the world if I am
> not actively mentoring others. And I would absolutely love to talk to
> any of you about how you can start with little projects and build your
> leadership potential.
> 
> I appreciate that transparency is being brought up and I am not
> holding NABS accountable to refute members who hold me as a board
> member accountable. But I am genuinely looking forward to feedback
> from everyone on how we can optimize a two-way communication stream so
> we can best serve each other. This will optimize our effectiveness in
> the movement.
> 
> So in short, participate in the Republican Blitz next week! We'll come
> calling for convention volunteers soon, so be on the look out for
> opportunities to sign up for shifts. We are always looking for door
> prizes for our business meeting and this year, for Monte Carlo as
> well, so contributions in that realm will be much appreciated. And
> finally, please take the initiative to talk to us so that in the
> future, these discussions can happen without an emotive email at the
> beginning of the thread. :)
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
> 
>> On 6/6/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.
>> 
>> As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an
>> advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about
>> his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be
>> casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other
>> candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really
>> surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this
>> policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the
>> student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been
>> written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so
>> that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>>> On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Aleeha,
>>> 
>>> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
>>> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
>>> advantage
>>> 
>>>> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting
>>>> someone
>>>> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does
>>>> speak
>>>> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use
>>>> that
>>>> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be
>>>> violating
>>>> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from
>>>> the
>>>> elections process
>>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>> Aleeha
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>>>>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as
>>>>> this
>>>>> one
>>>>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>>>>> casting
>>>>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot
>>>>> attend national
>>>>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this organization
>>>>> despite
>>>>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>> I
>>>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>>>>> seeking
>>>>> election to the email list as well.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>>>>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the
>>>>> first
>>>>> place.
>>>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such a
>>>>> policy could
>>>>> be important for our organization.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>>>>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>>>>> national convention
>>>>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner is
>>>>> asked
>>>>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what they
>>>>> are studying,
>>>>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from
>>>>> college.
>>>>> I have
>>>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>>>>> speaches.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>>>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, what
>>>>> I
>>>>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said
>>>>> about
>>>>> themselves,
>>>>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember
>>>>> about
>>>>> the speech
>>>>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>>>>> seeking
>>>>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>>>>> rather
>>>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an
>>>>> unfair
>>>>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>>>>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>>>>> election to
>>>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek
>>>>> election
>>>>> a
>>>>> fair
>>>>> chance during the elections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>>>>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak
>>>>> on
>>>>> the
>>>>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It
>>>>> seems to
>>>>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process that
>>>>> is
>>>>> fair
>>>>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the
>>>>> account
>>>>> of one person.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>>>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity to
>>>>> promote
>>>>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems
>>>>> to
>>>>> create
>>>>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a
>>>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the
>>>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I
>>>>>> am
>>>>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for
>>>>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) because
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way
>>>>>> NABS
>>>>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>>>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter,
>>>>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>>>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>>>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary
>>>>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully,
>>>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that we
>>>>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on
>>>>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a
>>>>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>>>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an
>>>>>> article
>>>>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in student
>>>>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you
>>>>>> was
>>>>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>>>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet
>>>>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is tremendous;
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>>>>>> campuses
>>>>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> organized blind movement.
>>>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more
>>>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>>>>>> further
>>>>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind
>>>>>> students
>>>>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>>>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up on
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high
>>>>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's
>>>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job will
>>>>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>>>>>> Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel
>>>>>> instructor.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can tell
>>>>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>>> changed
>>>>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to
>>>>>> share
>>>>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private
>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my case.
>>>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>>>>>> voters
>>>>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>>>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless
>>>>>> other
>>>>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>>>> Board Member
>>>>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> --
>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 02:04:47 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 19:04:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Hi all,

I've been moving across the country and was without Internet access
for the last five days or so, so I missed the beginning of this
discussion. I would like to offer some historical perspective on how
NABS has handled elections in the past for whatever it might be worth.
As far as whether or not to allow candidates to speak on the meeting
agenda about things unrelated to their candidacy, I think there is
merit to both sides of the argument.

As you may know, I served on the NABS board from 2005-2009 and as
president from 2009-2011. When I was elected in 2005, things were
handled much more behind the scenes, and election matters were not at
all transparent to the NABS membership. At that time the NABS
president or a front-runner for president-to-be would select a
"preferred" slate of officers and board members, call up these
individuals and request that they run for specific positions. I
received a phone call around this time from the presidential
front-runner asking me to run for NABS board member 2. He also
assigned me, and the other "preferred" candidates, to speak on the
agenda. Sometime around 2008 or so, we decided that having preferred
candidates deliberately speak on the agenda was un-democratic and gave
them unfair advantage, so we stopped doing that. When I ran for
president in 2009, I did not speak on the agenda, but I did select a
preferred slate and asked them to run for specific positions as my
predecessors had. Several individuals ran for the board without my
invitation. Some were elected, and a few became my best, most
dedicated board members. The experience taught me, and inspired the
rest of the board, to build a more open, transparent and democratic
election process. As of 2011 when I resigned from being president, we
did not have any kind of "preferred" slate (though we did informally
discuss who might be good to invite to join the board). As of 2011 we
had no clear policy about whether or not candidates could speak on the
agenda. We didn't deliberately encourage it, but if somebody had
something good to offer NABS in a speech and happened to be running
for a position, we didn't turn them away either. I am not aware of
what the current policy is. If there is an actual policy requiring
candidates not to appear on the agenda, I think it makes sense to make
this clear to the membership and solicit their input.
I think that any candidate who speaks at the NABS meeting does get an
electoral advantage, in terms of name recognition if nothing else. I
lost one of my board elections to someone new who had spoken on the
agenda (I did not speak on the agenda that year because I was already
on the board), and I certainly felt the sting of that. Being a
scholarship winner could also afford someone an electoral advantage
for the same reason, though, and I don't think we should block
scholarship winners from running for our board. Further, I will say
that being the one to coordinate the convention NABS meeting agenda,
and finding good people to provide the best possible information and
inspiration to our membership, is very tricky for the president. There
are tons of people outside NABS who want five minutes of time to speak
about this and that, so figuring out how to diplomatically handle
those requests and also find good speakers from the membership is just
plain hard. Sometimes the best person to speak about a particular
issue is a member who just happens to also plan on running for the
board. While I think NABS should reach out to members beyond the
leadership for speakers, I can see how NABS wouldn't want to miss out
on what potential leaders might have to say.
There are a few ways NABS can handle this. One is to draw agenda
speakers from the general membership (those not running for the board)
and then allow the leadership to speak at a different time, such as at
Washington Seminar. Another is to ensure that if one candidate is on
the agenda, the other person running against them is also given time
on the agenda. Of course this is impractical for positions where there
are lots of people running, but it may make sense for big races such
as the presidential race. In any event, I think it is great for
candidates seeking election to make their intentions known on the
listserv and on an election forum call if there is one this year (we
had them in 2011 and 2012). Based on my experience, I think NABS has
come a long way to make elections more transparent and to help the
members really feel involved in the process. This alone should reduce
complaints about unfairness or rigging in the elections.

Best,
Arielle

On 6/7/14, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi NABS,
>
> While I understand Justin's concerns and frustrations;I do not think that
> the policy should be changed. for the same reasoning of unfairness
> previously stated. Instead, I do support the idea to include it in the
> Constitution.   In my opinion Justin probably post to the list with great
> ambition but in a bit of frustrated moment  and could have maybe waited to
> post his campaign until the frustration was gone. In addition, speaking as a
> former state president, I don't think NABS tried to hide this or make it
> private. As the leaders change there will always be something that will be
> changed or done differently from other previous leaders and it does not
> always occur to the leaders that it is important enough to make it an
> addition to the Constitution or to make a public announcement. In short, my
> opinion is to add it to the constitution upon majority membership vote at
> national convention.
>
> Thanks,
> Tamika Williams
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> Great discussion!
>>
>> First, I'll talk about the topic at hand. I do want to bring up
>> something that makes the policy a bit complicated. If the president is
>> seeking reelection, they still have to give their report. It would be
>> inane to remove the presidential report from the agenda. Furthermore,
>> the presidential report consists of one of the longer time slots on
>> the agenda.
>>
>> On one hand, I think it is the responsibility of candidates to
>> campaign for themselves, and whether someone gets a slot is jut their
>> luck. If a candidate truly has a good agenda and is personable, they
>> should be able to influence election results based on campaigning
>> before the meeting. I was in a contested election for my position as
>> secretary in 2011. All of us candidates worked hard to convince NABS
>> that we were the best, and none of us had slots on the agenda. We did
>> such a good job of networking before the meeting that the secretarial
>> election had to be counted. I think this speaks to the power of
>> networking beforehand. Maybe I won because someone spoke out about me
>> during the agenda. I don't know, but I did not count on the meeting at
>> all to win me the election. I introduced myself to everyone at the
>> NABS hospitality night. I campaigned even before convention started.
>> And as a board member who is not seeking reelection, I plan to still
>> introduce myself to everyone at our NABS social, and I plan to always
>> campaign for NABS and the NFB whether I am at national convention,
>> meeting a blind person for the first time, or educating someone in
>> public. We can all get out there and talk and network, and although we
>> have few opportunities to meet in person, NABS does attempt to host a
>> few activities on the agenda to get students talking.
>>
>> However, I realize that there is an unfair advantage, and there is no
>> way to completely guarantee that someone will not spam the agenda.
>> Furthermore, as Elizabeth mentioned, in 2011, the candidate, who in
>> fact was me, didn't even promote herself on the agenda; someone else
>> did. This promotion was unsolicited and actually evoked embarrassment
>> on my part and the situation has long since been resolved and is no
>> longer an issue. But I bring it up to say that such a policy can't
>> guarantee that other speakers won't use the agenda to promote who they
>> support, so in that sense, the policy is in no way comprehensive at
>> guaranteeing that the agenda won't contain campaigning.
>>
>> All that being said, it appears that the membership has differing
>> views on the topic, and I encourage the opinions to keep coming.
>> Motions can be made, and the policy can be changed if we revisit it as
>> a board. And a good indication that a policy needs revisiting is when
>> the membership comes out and says something about it.
>>
>> Like some board members have iterated, the policy was never secret,
>> but I agree that we could do a better job disseminating such
>> information and am happy to take ideas for that which segues in to my
>> second topic.
>>
>>
>>
>> I have some great memories working on the board and getting input from
>> membership. The first 2 years I was on the board, I was on the Slate
>> committee. Along with the many members who contributed to our
>> newsletter, we did a holiday piece where we invited the membership to
>> write paragraphs about their holiday traditions. It was really fun to
>> collect and read the stories, and I hope that we can incorporate mass
>> mini articles like that in the future. I plan to volunteer on the
>> Slate committee again when I finish my term as NABS secretary at
>> convention.
>>
>> Another memory that stands out and is much more poignant to our
>> movement than holiday stories was the TEACH stories campaign. I
>> collected about 60 stories that were printed and sent with delegations
>> to their appointments on the hill. This experience shows that personal
>> stories do matter and indirectly in the process, I was able to assist
>> several story writers to learn who their representative was. Knowing
>> one's congressional representative is crucial to making a difference
>> because notes from constituents matter most. This was a direct way
>> that NABS got involved with the TEACH act, and it was through the NABS
>> list and word of mouth that I was able to collect many stories.
>>
>> Finally, last year, I could not attend national convention so I
>> offered to coordinate volunteers for our various events at convention.
>> Again, I reached out to NABS and people that I knew. My spreadsheets
>> quickly filled with awesome volunteers. That effort was carried out
>> through the NABS list.
>>
>> Coupled with these good memories are frustrating memories. I know for
>> a fact and can prove through email archive searches that after every
>> national convention when I was on the board, we evaluated what
>> committees we wanted to have. This was always followed by recruitment
>> of committee members via the list serve. There have been a few great
>> souls who have come forward and done great work. For example, although
>> not at all comprehensive, Tony Olivero tirelessly maintains our
>> website. Although not always apparent on the surface, he has assisted
>> us in improving our web presence and efficiency. Online registration
>> for events was implemented by him, and now, whenever we update our
>> database with a new leader, their contact information automatically
>> populates the state student division contact page. Elizabeth is always
>> willing to get us tons of great auction items and door prizes donated.
>> Mary Fernandez was awarded a service award from us last year because
>> of the initiative she has taken to coordinate NABS candidate debate
>> calls and the national convention NABS mentoring program.
>> However, I cannot count the number of times one of our board members
>> or active volunteers has emailed NABS asking for help or contributions
>> for one project or another for us to convene and sadly realize that no
>> one responded to our emails.
>>
>> I believe that as a board, we can do better at disseminating this
>> information on multiple social media platforms, and since convention
>> is around the corner, it is a perfect time to take suggestions and
>> make an action plan for how we will recruit committee members, event
>> volunteers, and contributors for our various fundraising efforts and
>> Slate newsletters.
>>
>> Furthermore, only one tenth of congress seems to understand the
>> importance of the TEACH act. Sixty stories was not enough and
>> certainly not representative of the over 100 students who attend our
>> business meeting each year. I am excited that I got holiday stories,
>> TEACH stories, and volunteers, through my recruitment on the NABS
>> list. But I also remember hounding my board members to reach out to
>> their state student divisions at the last minute to fulfill our need
>> for event volunteers and to get our TEACH stories up.
>>
>> As a board, we need to do better at communicating, and I hope to
>> continue to represent NABS as an active volunteer while I am in grad
>> school. But we shouldn't have to hound our membership to participate
>> in programs and to be active in the movement.
>>
>> That being said, we are also an organization that helps each other.
>> Maybe you don't know how to get involved. Maybe you don't know how
>> your skills can benefit the movement. Please, please, please reach out
>> to a leader you trust or to one of the board members as I can
>> guarantee that we can always use you! Nothing makes my day more than
>> watching leaders come in my stead and take on new responsibilities. I
>> am still young and know that my mentors look at my leadership growth
>> in the same light. But I am not fulfilling my purpose in the NFB and
>> my overall purpose of being a good person living for the world if I am
>> not actively mentoring others. And I would absolutely love to talk to
>> any of you about how you can start with little projects and build your
>> leadership potential.
>>
>> I appreciate that transparency is being brought up and I am not
>> holding NABS accountable to refute members who hold me as a board
>> member accountable. But I am genuinely looking forward to feedback
>> from everyone on how we can optimize a two-way communication stream so
>> we can best serve each other. This will optimize our effectiveness in
>> the movement.
>>
>> So in short, participate in the Republican Blitz next week! We'll come
>> calling for convention volunteers soon, so be on the look out for
>> opportunities to sign up for shifts. We are always looking for door
>> prizes for our business meeting and this year, for Monte Carlo as
>> well, so contributions in that realm will be much appreciated. And
>> finally, please take the initiative to talk to us so that in the
>> future, these discussions can happen without an emotive email at the
>> beginning of the thread. :)
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 6/6/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.
>>>
>>> As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an
>>> advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about
>>> his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be
>>> casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other
>>> candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really
>>> surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this
>>> policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the
>>> student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been
>>> written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so
>>> that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.
>>>
>>> Minh
>>>
>>>> On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Aleeha,
>>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
>>>> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
>>>> advantage
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting
>>>>> someone
>>>>> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person does
>>>>> speak
>>>>> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use
>>>>> that
>>>>> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be
>>>>> violating
>>>>> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified from
>>>>> the
>>>>> elections process
>>>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>>> Aleeha
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>>>>>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>>>>>> casting
>>>>>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who cannot
>>>>>> attend national
>>>>>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this
>>>>>> organization
>>>>>> despite
>>>>>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>> election to the email list as well.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>>>>>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not
>>>>>> appear
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the
>>>>>> first
>>>>>> place.
>>>>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why such
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> policy could
>>>>>> be important for our organization.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>>>>>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>>>>>> national convention
>>>>>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> asked
>>>>>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what
>>>>>> they
>>>>>> are studying,
>>>>>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from
>>>>>> college.
>>>>>> I have
>>>>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>>>>>> speaches.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>>>>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However,
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember
>>>>>> about
>>>>>> the speech
>>>>>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>>>>>> rather
>>>>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an
>>>>>> unfair
>>>>>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>>>>>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>>>>>> election to
>>>>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to prevent
>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> fair
>>>>>> chance during the elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>>>>>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>> on
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda. It
>>>>>> seems to
>>>>>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> fair
>>>>>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on the
>>>>>> account
>>>>>> of one person.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>>>>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> promote
>>>>>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just seems
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> create
>>>>>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>>>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board,
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running for
>>>>>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS)
>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the way
>>>>>>> NABS
>>>>>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>>>>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter,
>>>>>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>>>>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I
>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>>>>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel
>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the
>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet.
>>>>>>> Thankfully,
>>>>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that
>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more on
>>>>>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen a
>>>>>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>>>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>>>>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the
>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an
>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in
>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you
>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>>>>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet
>>>>>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is
>>>>>>> tremendous;
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>>>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>>>>>>> campuses
>>>>>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> organized blind movement.
>>>>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The
>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>>>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind
>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>>>>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional high
>>>>>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same
>>>>>>> tenacity
>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and
>>>>>>> women's
>>>>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>>>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>>>>>>> Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel
>>>>>>> instructor.
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can
>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to
>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private
>>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my
>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>>>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more
>>>>>>> proud
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>>>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>>>>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>>>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>>>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless
>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>>>>> Board Member
>>>>>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>>>>
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>>>> --
>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>>
>>>
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>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
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>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 02:42:07 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 7 Jun 2014 19:42:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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Hi again:

I have a few more things to add after getting caught up on earlier
messages in this thread.
As I said, what I recall from my presidency was that our policy was
not to deliberately help certain candidates by placing them on the
agenda as was done in the past, but at the same time, not turning
anyone away from speaking on the agenda because of their candidacy. It
was a long time ago, however, and very possible I am forgetting
something. In any case, when I was president it was never an issue
because no one who was running for a position ever approached me about
being on the agenda. From what I recall, no candidates spoke on the
2011 agenda, but I don't recall ever turning anyone away who wanted to
speak. It sounds like this is the first time the policy has actually
become relevant.

Regarding the constitution: The NABS constitution is absolutely silent
about the NABS business meeting agenda, beyond mandating that NABS
meet once a year. That's it. The rest is at the discretion of the
president, board, and membership. So any kind of policy about who does
or doesn't speak on the agenda is irrelevant to the constitution. The
president and board are free to set these policies, as agenda
development happens between meetings of the general membership. If
this issue is truly a contentious one, the president has the right to
poll the membership at convention this year about what the policy
should be. If a majority of the membership oppose the policy, then it
should be changed, but a constitutional amendment is not required
because meeting agendas have nothing to do with the constitution. It
sounds like Sean has developed the policy in an appropriate manner by
polling the board and following the majority vote. In general, the
NABS constitution is quite vague about many issues, so the membership
has a lot of leeway to adjust policies from year to year without
amending the constitution.

Finally, I have to agree with Ty's comment. I can see how NABS
presidential candidates want to emphasize how they would change or
improve NABS. But anybody who starts off by saying they considered
leaving the organization's leadership is someone who's lost my vote.
In my opinion the best leaders are those who work with the incumbent
leadership as best they can and support them and the organization even
if they disagree with the way things are handled. When I started on
the NABS board NABS went through a period of decline. I worked with
the incumbent leadership for several years trying to rebuild and
strengthen NABS before I even considered becoming president. I did not
campaign much, but when I did I tried to focus on how I wanted to
improve what NABS already had going instead of complaining and
offering to completely overhaul the current system. I did not need to
campaign much because I could just point people to the work I had done
as vice-president on membership projects, parts of the new NABS
website and other things. I would encourage any presidential hopeful
to focus on what you have done instead of what you dislike about the
organization. When you are elected, you will have the chance to
overhaul the things you don't like and really carry out your vision.

Best,
Arielle

On 6/7/14, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've been moving across the country and was without Internet access
> for the last five days or so, so I missed the beginning of this
> discussion. I would like to offer some historical perspective on how
> NABS has handled elections in the past for whatever it might be worth.
> As far as whether or not to allow candidates to speak on the meeting
> agenda about things unrelated to their candidacy, I think there is
> merit to both sides of the argument.
>
> As you may know, I served on the NABS board from 2005-2009 and as
> president from 2009-2011. When I was elected in 2005, things were
> handled much more behind the scenes, and election matters were not at
> all transparent to the NABS membership. At that time the NABS
> president or a front-runner for president-to-be would select a
> "preferred" slate of officers and board members, call up these
> individuals and request that they run for specific positions. I
> received a phone call around this time from the presidential
> front-runner asking me to run for NABS board member 2. He also
> assigned me, and the other "preferred" candidates, to speak on the
> agenda. Sometime around 2008 or so, we decided that having preferred
> candidates deliberately speak on the agenda was un-democratic and gave
> them unfair advantage, so we stopped doing that. When I ran for
> president in 2009, I did not speak on the agenda, but I did select a
> preferred slate and asked them to run for specific positions as my
> predecessors had. Several individuals ran for the board without my
> invitation. Some were elected, and a few became my best, most
> dedicated board members. The experience taught me, and inspired the
> rest of the board, to build a more open, transparent and democratic
> election process. As of 2011 when I resigned from being president, we
> did not have any kind of "preferred" slate (though we did informally
> discuss who might be good to invite to join the board). As of 2011 we
> had no clear policy about whether or not candidates could speak on the
> agenda. We didn't deliberately encourage it, but if somebody had
> something good to offer NABS in a speech and happened to be running
> for a position, we didn't turn them away either. I am not aware of
> what the current policy is. If there is an actual policy requiring
> candidates not to appear on the agenda, I think it makes sense to make
> this clear to the membership and solicit their input.
> I think that any candidate who speaks at the NABS meeting does get an
> electoral advantage, in terms of name recognition if nothing else. I
> lost one of my board elections to someone new who had spoken on the
> agenda (I did not speak on the agenda that year because I was already
> on the board), and I certainly felt the sting of that. Being a
> scholarship winner could also afford someone an electoral advantage
> for the same reason, though, and I don't think we should block
> scholarship winners from running for our board. Further, I will say
> that being the one to coordinate the convention NABS meeting agenda,
> and finding good people to provide the best possible information and
> inspiration to our membership, is very tricky for the president. There
> are tons of people outside NABS who want five minutes of time to speak
> about this and that, so figuring out how to diplomatically handle
> those requests and also find good speakers from the membership is just
> plain hard. Sometimes the best person to speak about a particular
> issue is a member who just happens to also plan on running for the
> board. While I think NABS should reach out to members beyond the
> leadership for speakers, I can see how NABS wouldn't want to miss out
> on what potential leaders might have to say.
> There are a few ways NABS can handle this. One is to draw agenda
> speakers from the general membership (those not running for the board)
> and then allow the leadership to speak at a different time, such as at
> Washington Seminar. Another is to ensure that if one candidate is on
> the agenda, the other person running against them is also given time
> on the agenda. Of course this is impractical for positions where there
> are lots of people running, but it may make sense for big races such
> as the presidential race. In any event, I think it is great for
> candidates seeking election to make their intentions known on the
> listserv and on an election forum call if there is one this year (we
> had them in 2011 and 2012). Based on my experience, I think NABS has
> come a long way to make elections more transparent and to help the
> members really feel involved in the process. This alone should reduce
> complaints about unfairness or rigging in the elections.
>
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 6/7/14, Tamika Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi NABS,
>>
>> While I understand Justin's concerns and frustrations;I do not think that
>> the policy should be changed. for the same reasoning of unfairness
>> previously stated. Instead, I do support the idea to include it in the
>> Constitution.   In my opinion Justin probably post to the list with great
>> ambition but in a bit of frustrated moment  and could have maybe waited
>> to
>> post his campaign until the frustration was gone. In addition, speaking as
>> a
>> former state president, I don't think NABS tried to hide this or make it
>> private. As the leaders change there will always be something that will
>> be
>> changed or done differently from other previous leaders and it does not
>> always occur to the leaders that it is important enough to make it an
>> addition to the Constitution or to make a public announcement. In short,
>> my
>> opinion is to add it to the constitution upon majority membership vote at
>> national convention.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Tamika Williams
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 10:01 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> Great discussion!
>>>
>>> First, I'll talk about the topic at hand. I do want to bring up
>>> something that makes the policy a bit complicated. If the president is
>>> seeking reelection, they still have to give their report. It would be
>>> inane to remove the presidential report from the agenda. Furthermore,
>>> the presidential report consists of one of the longer time slots on
>>> the agenda.
>>>
>>> On one hand, I think it is the responsibility of candidates to
>>> campaign for themselves, and whether someone gets a slot is jut their
>>> luck. If a candidate truly has a good agenda and is personable, they
>>> should be able to influence election results based on campaigning
>>> before the meeting. I was in a contested election for my position as
>>> secretary in 2011. All of us candidates worked hard to convince NABS
>>> that we were the best, and none of us had slots on the agenda. We did
>>> such a good job of networking before the meeting that the secretarial
>>> election had to be counted. I think this speaks to the power of
>>> networking beforehand. Maybe I won because someone spoke out about me
>>> during the agenda. I don't know, but I did not count on the meeting at
>>> all to win me the election. I introduced myself to everyone at the
>>> NABS hospitality night. I campaigned even before convention started.
>>> And as a board member who is not seeking reelection, I plan to still
>>> introduce myself to everyone at our NABS social, and I plan to always
>>> campaign for NABS and the NFB whether I am at national convention,
>>> meeting a blind person for the first time, or educating someone in
>>> public. We can all get out there and talk and network, and although we
>>> have few opportunities to meet in person, NABS does attempt to host a
>>> few activities on the agenda to get students talking.
>>>
>>> However, I realize that there is an unfair advantage, and there is no
>>> way to completely guarantee that someone will not spam the agenda.
>>> Furthermore, as Elizabeth mentioned, in 2011, the candidate, who in
>>> fact was me, didn't even promote herself on the agenda; someone else
>>> did. This promotion was unsolicited and actually evoked embarrassment
>>> on my part and the situation has long since been resolved and is no
>>> longer an issue. But I bring it up to say that such a policy can't
>>> guarantee that other speakers won't use the agenda to promote who they
>>> support, so in that sense, the policy is in no way comprehensive at
>>> guaranteeing that the agenda won't contain campaigning.
>>>
>>> All that being said, it appears that the membership has differing
>>> views on the topic, and I encourage the opinions to keep coming.
>>> Motions can be made, and the policy can be changed if we revisit it as
>>> a board. And a good indication that a policy needs revisiting is when
>>> the membership comes out and says something about it.
>>>
>>> Like some board members have iterated, the policy was never secret,
>>> but I agree that we could do a better job disseminating such
>>> information and am happy to take ideas for that which segues in to my
>>> second topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I have some great memories working on the board and getting input from
>>> membership. The first 2 years I was on the board, I was on the Slate
>>> committee. Along with the many members who contributed to our
>>> newsletter, we did a holiday piece where we invited the membership to
>>> write paragraphs about their holiday traditions. It was really fun to
>>> collect and read the stories, and I hope that we can incorporate mass
>>> mini articles like that in the future. I plan to volunteer on the
>>> Slate committee again when I finish my term as NABS secretary at
>>> convention.
>>>
>>> Another memory that stands out and is much more poignant to our
>>> movement than holiday stories was the TEACH stories campaign. I
>>> collected about 60 stories that were printed and sent with delegations
>>> to their appointments on the hill. This experience shows that personal
>>> stories do matter and indirectly in the process, I was able to assist
>>> several story writers to learn who their representative was. Knowing
>>> one's congressional representative is crucial to making a difference
>>> because notes from constituents matter most. This was a direct way
>>> that NABS got involved with the TEACH act, and it was through the NABS
>>> list and word of mouth that I was able to collect many stories.
>>>
>>> Finally, last year, I could not attend national convention so I
>>> offered to coordinate volunteers for our various events at convention.
>>> Again, I reached out to NABS and people that I knew. My spreadsheets
>>> quickly filled with awesome volunteers. That effort was carried out
>>> through the NABS list.
>>>
>>> Coupled with these good memories are frustrating memories. I know for
>>> a fact and can prove through email archive searches that after every
>>> national convention when I was on the board, we evaluated what
>>> committees we wanted to have. This was always followed by recruitment
>>> of committee members via the list serve. There have been a few great
>>> souls who have come forward and done great work. For example, although
>>> not at all comprehensive, Tony Olivero tirelessly maintains our
>>> website. Although not always apparent on the surface, he has assisted
>>> us in improving our web presence and efficiency. Online registration
>>> for events was implemented by him, and now, whenever we update our
>>> database with a new leader, their contact information automatically
>>> populates the state student division contact page. Elizabeth is always
>>> willing to get us tons of great auction items and door prizes donated.
>>> Mary Fernandez was awarded a service award from us last year because
>>> of the initiative she has taken to coordinate NABS candidate debate
>>> calls and the national convention NABS mentoring program.
>>> However, I cannot count the number of times one of our board members
>>> or active volunteers has emailed NABS asking for help or contributions
>>> for one project or another for us to convene and sadly realize that no
>>> one responded to our emails.
>>>
>>> I believe that as a board, we can do better at disseminating this
>>> information on multiple social media platforms, and since convention
>>> is around the corner, it is a perfect time to take suggestions and
>>> make an action plan for how we will recruit committee members, event
>>> volunteers, and contributors for our various fundraising efforts and
>>> Slate newsletters.
>>>
>>> Furthermore, only one tenth of congress seems to understand the
>>> importance of the TEACH act. Sixty stories was not enough and
>>> certainly not representative of the over 100 students who attend our
>>> business meeting each year. I am excited that I got holiday stories,
>>> TEACH stories, and volunteers, through my recruitment on the NABS
>>> list. But I also remember hounding my board members to reach out to
>>> their state student divisions at the last minute to fulfill our need
>>> for event volunteers and to get our TEACH stories up.
>>>
>>> As a board, we need to do better at communicating, and I hope to
>>> continue to represent NABS as an active volunteer while I am in grad
>>> school. But we shouldn't have to hound our membership to participate
>>> in programs and to be active in the movement.
>>>
>>> That being said, we are also an organization that helps each other.
>>> Maybe you don't know how to get involved. Maybe you don't know how
>>> your skills can benefit the movement. Please, please, please reach out
>>> to a leader you trust or to one of the board members as I can
>>> guarantee that we can always use you! Nothing makes my day more than
>>> watching leaders come in my stead and take on new responsibilities. I
>>> am still young and know that my mentors look at my leadership growth
>>> in the same light. But I am not fulfilling my purpose in the NFB and
>>> my overall purpose of being a good person living for the world if I am
>>> not actively mentoring others. And I would absolutely love to talk to
>>> any of you about how you can start with little projects and build your
>>> leadership potential.
>>>
>>> I appreciate that transparency is being brought up and I am not
>>> holding NABS accountable to refute members who hold me as a board
>>> member accountable. But I am genuinely looking forward to feedback
>>> from everyone on how we can optimize a two-way communication stream so
>>> we can best serve each other. This will optimize our effectiveness in
>>> the movement.
>>>
>>> So in short, participate in the Republican Blitz next week! We'll come
>>> calling for convention volunteers soon, so be on the look out for
>>> opportunities to sign up for shifts. We are always looking for door
>>> prizes for our business meeting and this year, for Monte Carlo as
>>> well, so contributions in that realm will be much appreciated. And
>>> finally, please take the initiative to talk to us so that in the
>>> future, these discussions can happen without an emotive email at the
>>> beginning of the thread. :)
>>>
>>> Cindy
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 6/6/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.
>>>>
>>>> As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an
>>>> advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about
>>>> his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be
>>>> casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other
>>>> candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really
>>>> surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this
>>>> policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the
>>>> student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been
>>>> written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so
>>>> that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.
>>>>
>>>> Minh
>>>>
>>>>> On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Aleeha,
>>>>>
>>>>> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or
>>>>> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an
>>>>> advantage
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting
>>>>>> someone
>>>>>> speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the person
>>>>>> does
>>>>>> speak
>>>>>> and intends to run for the board, they should not be permitted to use
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> time as a self promotion time. If they do so, they would then be
>>>>>> violating
>>>>>> the rules of the election, and, could, therefore, be disqualified
>>>>>> from
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> elections process
>>>>>> Let me know what you guys think.
>>>>>> Aleeha
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hello Justin,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President
>>>>>>> of the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such
>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>> provide an opportunity for members to make an informed decision when
>>>>>>> casting
>>>>>>> their vote during elections. I also think it helps members who
>>>>>>> cannot
>>>>>>> attend national
>>>>>>> convention to feel as though they are still a part of this
>>>>>>> organization
>>>>>>> despite
>>>>>>> the fact that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>>>>>> Therefore,
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of
>>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>>> election to the email list as well.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding
>>>>>>> the unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not
>>>>>>> appear
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed in the
>>>>>>> first
>>>>>>> place.
>>>>>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why
>>>>>>> such
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> policy could
>>>>>>> be important for our organization.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a
>>>>>>> rather memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about
>>>>>>> national convention
>>>>>>> is the part during the student seminar where each scholarship winner
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> asked
>>>>>>> to say a few words about themselves, where they go to school, what
>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>> are studying,
>>>>>>> and what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from
>>>>>>> college.
>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short
>>>>>>> speaches.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches
>>>>>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However,
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>> remember about this particular speech was not what the person said
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> themselves,
>>>>>>> but rather what this person said about someone else. What I remember
>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>> the speech
>>>>>>> was how this person took this time to endorse a close friend who was
>>>>>>> seeking
>>>>>>> election that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them
>>>>>>> rather
>>>>>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an
>>>>>>> unfair
>>>>>>> advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National
>>>>>>> Association of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking
>>>>>>> election to
>>>>>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to
>>>>>>> prevent
>>>>>>> anyone
>>>>>>> from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give those who seek
>>>>>>> election
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> fair
>>>>>>> chance during the elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life,
>>>>>>> however, if this person were seeking election today, and asked to
>>>>>>> speak
>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the agenda.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> seems to
>>>>>>> me that it is difficult enough to create a smooth election process
>>>>>>> that
>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>> fair
>>>>>>> to everyone, so I do not believe we should jeperdize this goal on
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> account
>>>>>>> of one person.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just
>>>>>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> promote
>>>>>>> their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. It just
>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> create
>>>>>>> a disadvantage for others during the elections.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Warm regards,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Elizabeth
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org;
>>>>>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>>>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>>>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board,
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am
>>>>>>>> blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS)
>>>>>>>> because
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like the
>>>>>>>> way
>>>>>>>> NABS
>>>>>>>> functions today. I was going to disappear from the board and NABS
>>>>>>>> leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on
>>>>>>>> chapter,
>>>>>>>> affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, and the
>>>>>>>> broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I
>>>>>>>> wanted
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> "participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the
>>>>>>>> Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not
>>>>>>>> feel
>>>>>>>> like
>>>>>>>> NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the
>>>>>>>> primary
>>>>>>>> role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet.
>>>>>>>> Thankfully,
>>>>>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up
>>>>>>>> off
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>>>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that
>>>>>>>> we
>>>>>>>> will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as
>>>>>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more
>>>>>>>> organization to our organization. The National Federation of the
>>>>>>>> Blind
>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>> the organized blind movement. I have led workshops and written an
>>>>>>>> article
>>>>>>>> in the Student Slate about creating advertising directories in
>>>>>>>> student
>>>>>>>> divisions. This master email list through which I am contacting you
>>>>>>>> was
>>>>>>>> my idea and my project. I want to focus on unified communication
>>>>>>>> structures for student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and
>>>>>>>> NFBnet
>>>>>>>> email lists. The power that comes from being organized is
>>>>>>>> tremendous;
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> little organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both
>>>>>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National
>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college
>>>>>>>> campuses
>>>>>>>> are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> organized blind movement.
>>>>>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The
>>>>>>>> more
>>>>>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will
>>>>>>>> be.
>>>>>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to
>>>>>>>> further
>>>>>>>> our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind
>>>>>>>> students
>>>>>>>> that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing and
>>>>>>>> empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership
>>>>>>>> philosophy
>>>>>>>> in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I grew up
>>>>>>>> on
>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>> gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a regional
>>>>>>>> high
>>>>>>>> school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the same
>>>>>>>> tenacity
>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>> work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and
>>>>>>>> women's
>>>>>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job
>>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>>> not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>>>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my
>>>>>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of
>>>>>>>> Wisconsin-Madison
>>>>>>>> to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane travel
>>>>>>>> instructor.
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can
>>>>>>>> tell
>>>>>>>> everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>>>>>>> changed
>>>>>>>> my life and career path. I pray that I will have the opportunity to
>>>>>>>> share
>>>>>>>> my story, but I understand that this would violate the private
>>>>>>>> agreement
>>>>>>>> within the NABS board and will attempt to get it adjusted in my
>>>>>>>> case.
>>>>>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to
>>>>>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>>>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more
>>>>>>>> proud
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a
>>>>>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want
>>>>>>>> voters
>>>>>>>> to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on the
>>>>>>>> railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve
>>>>>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>>>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS
>>>>>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless
>>>>>>>> other
>>>>>>>> blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Love,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>>>>>> Board Member
>>>>>>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>>>>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>>>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>>>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>>>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Cindy Bennett
>>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>>>
>>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun  8 13:46:14 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 09:46:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone From The Perkins School For The
	Blind
In-Reply-To: <5391bc88.e1ecb60a.60aa.ffffc5d5@mx.google.com>
References: <5391bc88.e1ecb60a.60aa.ffffc5d5@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <48009F9E-2CBF-4520-A780-CDF7D31EDC10@icloud.com>

You can email her at Harriet.ward at perkins.org

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 9:04 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> This message is for anyone from the Perkins School For The Blind.  I am looking for a teacher who taught me when I attended the Early Intervention Pogram there as a toddler.  Her name is Miss Harriet Ward.  If you know of her please email me.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sun Jun  8 16:23:23 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 11:23:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <F2E574B8-3289-487F-B8F4-AA3C3AFBA514@gmail.com>
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	<F2E574B8-3289-487F-B8F4-AA3C3AFBA514@gmail.com>
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I worked with the NABS board for a while myself shortly after Darian was elected. I was there when this particular issue was discussed. At the time, the board felt it would be a good idea not to have people who wanted to run for office on that year's agenda because recency affects might bias  the election. For example, let's say we had two people running for an office and one of these was  on the agenda while the other one, though less obvious, may have been working hard for the organization all year long. At the time, NABS members were predisposed toward voting for the person on the agenda though we had never seen them in the organization before. Yes, it was a decision reached by the board at that time. There was no maleficence behind it. The plan was to make sure that no one was unfairly advantaged during elections.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 6, 2014, at 2:04 AM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Justin, and all:
> Firstly I would like to acknowledge Justin for such a heartfelt solicitation for support and clearly spelled out vision for where he sees the division going.
> I don't claim to know it all, but I suspect that as a sitting member of the board of directors of the national Association of blind students(the student division of the national Federation of the blind), that I might have some perspective to add to what seems to be developing into a bit of a controversy.
> Into thousand nine I was elected to the board of directors of the national Association of blind students. That year we had a particularly active and even full elections.
> Fairly soon after the installment of officers, a committee was appointed to look into election procedures and policies.  Sometimes months this discussion, we thought that it was a good idea to create a policy that would not allow for officers of the division who were running (remember, all candidates are allowed to state their case for election under a time format). We have had board members speak when they are not running for offices, and any member of the division who might wish to speak on the agenda is welcome to contact the current president of the division.
> In short, any one is allowed to speak on the agenda, the only time this isn't the case is if a board member is intending to run for election.  This policy is, while not a universal policy in the organization, not an violation of our national Constitution, so it is not in violation of the Student Division Constitution.  
> It is important to understand that policy decisions are well within the rights of an organization to come up with, they can also be revisited and changed as the board sees fit.   The national Association of blind students has never operated as a division of exclusivity (at least not as long as I have been involved in it) , and has always been open to new ideas and different ways to go about stuff.   To be sure, not every idea gets used, and not every idea that is used works out. However, this division has seen some growth over the past five years because of the collaborative efforts individuals both on and off the board have contributed to it. 
> I look forward to the work that we do as members of the national Federation of the blind, to secure equality of opportunity for the blind , and through our networking, mentoring, support , education, advocacy and collective organizing that we can live the life we want, blindness will not hold us back, together we will lift each other uup.  
> 
>  for
> 
>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 8:19 PM, Christopher O'Meally via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Are you sure this is what it looks like?  I know people on the bord well and I just can't see them doing something like that. Maybe there is an explination of some sort. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 5, 2014, at 11:04 PM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Aleeha!  Thank you! My vote is only one, as is yours.  If we all use them together, we can make a difference.
>>> 
>>> Way to represent our scholarship class!  #Orlando2011
>>> 
>>> Justin
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Aleeha Dudley [mailto:blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com] 
>>> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2014 10:40 PM
>>> To: Justin Salisbury; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>> 
>>> How could there possibly be a policy like this? It is against the constitution of the NFB!
>>> Aleeha
>>> 
>>>> On 6/5/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, a 
>>>> bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters on the 
>>>> agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere fact that I 
>>>> am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. I am running 
>>>> for President of the National Association of Blind Students (NABS) 
>>>> because I love NABS, including my fellow board members, and don't like 
>>>> the way NABS functions today. I was going to disappear from the board 
>>>> and NABS leadership because I was discouraged.  I wanted to focus on 
>>>> chapter, affiliate, and division development, legislative advocacy, 
>>>> and the broader initiatives of the National Federation of the Blind. I 
>>>> wanted to "participate as an integral part of the National Federation 
>>>> of the Blind," which I quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not 
>>>> feel like NABS was a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that 
>>>> the primary role of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. 
>>>> Thankfully, some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move it 
>>>> to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have faith that 
>>>> we will always build personal relationships. I want us to focus more 
>>>> on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings that only happen 
>>>> a couple of times per year. I want our board to be more hands-on as 
>>>> regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I want to bring more organization to our organization.
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. 
>>>> I have led workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about 
>>>> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master 
>>>> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my 
>>>> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
>>>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. The 
>>>> power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
>>>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
>>>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The more 
>>>> highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will be and 
>>>> the stronger the organization skills of our members and leaders will be.
>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
>>>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow blind 
>>>> students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on preparing 
>>>> and empowering my successors, evident in my article on leadership 
>>>> philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not hold grudges. I 
>>>> grew up on a gravel road in northeastern Connecticut and attended a 
>>>> regional high school on the UConn campus. I attack a problem with the 
>>>> same tenacity and work ethic that has produced two years of dual NCAA 
>>>> men's and women's basketball championships from my hometown UConn 
>>>> Huskies. This job will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
>>>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a cane 
>>>> travel instructor. I am in the pool of potential speakers for our 
>>>> agenda so that I can tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana 
>>>> Center for the Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I 
>>>> will have the opportunity to share my story, but I understand that 
>>>> this would violate the private agreement within the NABS board and 
>>>> will attempt to get it adjusted in my case. Whether I speak or not, I 
>>>> am writing my story as another article to submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more proud 
>>>> to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. I have a 
>>>> decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but I want 
>>>> voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind students, on 
>>>> the railroad that we can build together, and on the effort to achieve 
>>>> equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
>>>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>> 
>>>> Love,
>>>> 
>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>> Board Member
>>>> National Association of Blind Students 
>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>> 0gmail.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>>> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
>>> 
>>> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
>>> - Arabian Proverb
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Jun  8 19:04:27 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 15:04:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spreading The Jw chb A Penpal Magazine
Message-ID: <5394b3bf.8821b60a.583c.ffffc11d@mx.google.com>

Hey Nabs members hope your Summer is fun.  I wanted to tell you 
about a Penpal magazine.  If you are looking for a lost friend or 
maybe even a former teacher this is the magazine for you.  If 
you're looking to make new friends this magazine is also for you.  
If you'd like to subscribe please email the editor at adrijana 
dot prokenpenko at hoogle mail dot com.


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jun  8 23:22:29 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 18:22:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: BrailleNote for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000157374654@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>I have been asked to circulate the following:


Dave



>Winona is selling her 32-cell Braille Note QWERTY mPower. It is in 
>like-new condition, although it hasn't been used for several years 
>and the battery has died. HumanWare has them on its website for $50. 
>All cords, straps, instruction books, cds, and the case are 
>included. Due to the battery issue, she is only asking $1000.
>We would love to deliver it to someone at convention!
>
>Please contact us at bwbddl at yahoo.com or 772-260-4966.
>Thanks,
>
>Debby Brackett
>bwbddl at yahoo.com
>
>~"Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can 
>read."~Mark Twain

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jun  9 00:59:08 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 20:59:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] CPR and first aid class
Message-ID: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I need a first aid  and cpr class since I’m working with kids with disabilities at a day camp. I’m going to sub and volunteer on a regular basis.

If you had the class, how was it? Did you follow it alright by listening?  Was the instructor hands on for you? I know in this one we have a video to watch, but the coordinator could not tell me details as she did not have them, but she did think I could listen and be fine.

I’m sure it will work out as they are aware of my visual impairment. How did it go for you?

Thanks.
Ashley

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 02:07:21 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 22:07:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
Message-ID: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!  
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun  9 02:28:18 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sun, 08 Jun 2014 22:28:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
Message-ID: <8DA0EBA5-7275-47DB-8C5C-E02E3FE049DD@me.com>

There's a conference service called free conference pro.
I think its free conference pro.com or something, give it a shot. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!  
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> 
> <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>_______________________________________________
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Jun  9 02:48:14 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joeph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:48:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>

Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you can control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want the number to contact these folks, please let me know.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!  
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 02:51:05 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 22:51:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <8DA0EBA5-7275-47DB-8C5C-E02E3FE049DD@me.com>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<8DA0EBA5-7275-47DB-8C5C-E02E3FE049DD@me.com>
Message-ID: <62B59DDADEBC4131AA86B054303EC56B@Helga>

Hi Mathew. Yeah, I find the website. It is actually free. Do you knowif Free Conference Pro is free for long distance participants? I saw in the site that they may charge for long distance call! I really don’t want that since I really want the person to stay as long he or she wants in the meeting; I don’t want them to leave just because they need to pay for the half an hour or a full hour of meeting! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!  

Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 



From: Matthew Dierckens 
Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:28 PM
To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com ; National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services

There's a conference service called free conference pro. 
I think its free conference pro.com or something, give it a shot. :)

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com

1-877-774-7670 ext. 4





On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


  Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!  
  Helga Schreiber 

  Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

  Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

  Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

  "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

  <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>_______________________________________________
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From filerime at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 04:03:26 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 00:03:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] statistic
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9f7yimM71xK3tR0UYn7stGJFp7uhc2UZE=zE4TQveP+JQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I need to use statistic programs. I worked on SPSS and it's not very
accessible. SPSS is sometimes not very helpful. Now lisrel or some
other programs are much more popular.
I learnt that R is both free and much more accessible.
Is there any R user here?
Is there anyone interested in statistics proffessionally?
I'll ask where to start and some accessible documents to improve my skills.
I have average statistic knowledge in theory, I need to perform my own analysis
thanks

-- 
Elif Emir Öksüz
Counselor Traınee- Xavier University


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 04:58:47 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 8 Jun 2014 21:58:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] statistic
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9f7yimM71xK3tR0UYn7stGJFp7uhc2UZE=zE4TQveP+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9f7yimM71xK3tR0UYn7stGJFp7uhc2UZE=zE4TQveP+JQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDRZ89Kv75+xm7ngyr8=VDbS_1hcy_Jni5+j-6_W6n3zg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Elif,

You should do a search on Jonathan Godfrey. He's a blind statistician
who wrote a manual for R programming with screen readers. I think his
manual is freely available online.
For simpler analyses you can also try the free online calculator at
www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/
It can perform basic descriptive and inferential tests including
T-tests, chi-square and basic regression.

As a social scientist myself I use a combination of SAS, Mplus and
GraphPad to do my analyses. SAS is much more accessible than SPSS and
the SAS documentation is freely available on their support site.

Best of luck,
Arielle

On 6/8/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I need to use statistic programs. I worked on SPSS and it's not very
> accessible. SPSS is sometimes not very helpful. Now lisrel or some
> other programs are much more popular.
> I learnt that R is both free and much more accessible.
> Is there any R user here?
> Is there anyone interested in statistics proffessionally?
> I'll ask where to start and some accessible documents to improve my skills.
> I have average statistic knowledge in theory, I need to perform my own
> analysis
> thanks
>
> --
> Elif Emir Öksüz
> Counselor Traınee- Xavier University
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 05:51:47 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 01:51:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <62B59DDADEBC4131AA86B054303EC56B@Helga>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<8DA0EBA5-7275-47DB-8C5C-E02E3FE049DD@me.com>
	<62B59DDADEBC4131AA86B054303EC56B@Helga>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYWB66iMSEPLN5wgbjXtFpTJuU7QGPxHnouQod-bTtZoA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Helga,

The Ohio Association of Blind Students of which I am president now
uses Free Conference Calling. It is totally free and we've had several
people call in from various states.  It's really nice because you can
assign certain pass codes to the host of the call and any guests you
might invite, like speakers who aren't traditional members of the
group.  The only downside is that the site is considerably more
accessible on a Mac with voiceover than it is with Windows, although
we have yet to try different browsers with Windows to see if that
makes a difference I think since our cooresponding secretary happens
to use a mac anyway.  It is a very good service, and we like it a lot.

On 6/8/14, Helga  via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Mathew. Yeah, I find the website. It is actually free. Do you knowif Free
> Conference Pro is free for long distance participants? I saw in the site
> that they may charge for long distance call! I really don't want that since
> I really want the person to stay as long he or she wants in the meeting; I
> don't want them to leave just because they need to pay for the half an hour
> or a full hour of meeting! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!
>
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students
>
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>
>
>
> From: Matthew Dierckens
> Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:28 PM
> To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com ; National Association Of Blind Students
> Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
>
> There's a conference service called free conference pro.
> I think its free conference pro.com or something, give it a shot. :)
>
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>   Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple
> weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I
> would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it's also
> fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have
> phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching
> in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But
> this site only works within an specific State, it doesn't work with long
> distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone
> free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well
> with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so
> that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you
> recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help
> me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>   Helga Schreiber
>
>   Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>
>   Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> Blind Students
>
>   Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>
>   "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>
>   <wlEmoticon-smile[1].png>_______________________________________________
>   nabs-l mailing list
>   nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>   http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>   To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/matt.dierckens%40me.com
>
>


-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 06:03:59 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 02:03:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] CPR and first aid class
In-Reply-To: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
References: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbnbreM-8uK5ucK2dE83v1gUhazkR3Jtpbz+cUxAHLHgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley,

I've been CPR certified twice, first by the Red Cross for a baby
sitting course I took as a teenager, and then later by the American
Heart Association so I could work as a student teacher in a school for
a Teacher Academy program.  In both cases the instructor was able to
work with me to make sure I got the proper techniques.  The Red Cross
course did not have a video, but it also had some things that are
normally not covered like the infant heimlic maneuver.  The American
Heart Association course did have the video, and it was fine for me to
listen to.  If this is the same one you'll be watching, it's very
understandable, and each step for each procedure is described in
detail.  We also practiced the steps of each procedure after they were
explained in the video.  E.G, when we watched the episode on how to
properly inject an epipen we practiced with fake epipens on our
classmates so we could get the motion down.  The instructor gave me a
little more attention when we were practicing compressions and mouth
to mouth on the dummies, and she was very good at showing as well as
telling me how to do the techniques by positioning my hands
appropriately, or providing clear instructions that I could follow.  I
think it helped that we had a firefighter teach our class, because I
think they're trained to work with disabled people for their job
possibly more than someone who just teaches the CPR class.

Hope this helps.  I really enjoyed taking the course, and being CPR
certified comes in really handy.  Thankfully, I have only just
recently had to use the skills I learned in my courses in a real
situation, but I'm thankful that I'm always prepared to use them in
case of an emergency.

P.S, if you ever baby sit and actively seek jobs, CPR certification is
a great thing to mention in ads or on a reduced resume you might give
to potential parents.  It makes them feel a lot more comfortable
knowing that if some worst case scenario were to happen while they
were not around, the person taking care of their children knows how to
handle the situation and act in an emergency.

On 6/8/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need a first aid  and cpr class since I'm working with kids with
> disabilities at a day camp. I'm going to sub and volunteer on a regular
> basis.
>
> If you had the class, how was it? Did you follow it alright by listening?
> Was the instructor hands on for you? I know in this one we have a video to
> watch, but the coordinator could not tell me details as she did not have
> them, but she did think I could listen and be fine.
>
> I'm sure it will work out as they are aware of my visual impairment. How did
> it go for you?
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Kaiti


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 06:23:09 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 02:23:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYWB66iMSEPLN5wgbjXtFpTJuU7QGPxHnouQod-bTtZoA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga><8DA0EBA5-7275-47DB-8C5C-E02E3FE049DD@me.com><62B59DDADEBC4131AA86B054303EC56B@Helga>
	<CAFja7FYWB66iMSEPLN5wgbjXtFpTJuU7QGPxHnouQod-bTtZoA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C8CE1688569B466984C3537821E7792A@Helga>

Hi Kaiti! I just wanted to ask you, do you know the Free Conference Calling 
Website? Just wondering! And did you say is free for long distance 
participants right? Just want to make sure! And also, I don't pay 
subscriptions or monthly plans right? Just curious!! Hope to hear from you 
soon. Thanks and God bless!! :)



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 1:51 AM
To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com ; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services

Hi Helga,

The Ohio Association of Blind Students of which I am president now
uses Free Conference Calling. It is totally free and we've had several
people call in from various states.  It's really nice because you can
assign certain pass codes to the host of the call and any guests you
might invite, like speakers who aren't traditional members of the
group.  The only downside is that the site is considerably more
accessible on a Mac with voiceover than it is with Windows, although
we have yet to try different browsers with Windows to see if that
makes a difference I think since our cooresponding secretary happens
to use a mac anyway.  It is a very good service, and we like it a lot.

On 6/8/14, Helga  via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Mathew. Yeah, I find the website. It is actually free. Do you knowif 
> Free
> Conference Pro is free for long distance participants? I saw in the site
> that they may charge for long distance call! I really don't want that 
> since
> I really want the person to stay as long he or she wants in the meeting; I
> don't want them to leave just because they need to pay for the half an 
> hour
> or a full hour of meeting! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God 
> bless!
>
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind
> Students
>
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>
>
>
> From: Matthew Dierckens
> Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2014 10:28 PM
> To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com ; National Association Of Blind Students
> Mailing List
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
>
> There's a conference service called free conference pro.
> I think its free conference pro.com or something, give it a shot. :)
>
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:07 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>   Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple
> weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, 
> I
> would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it's also
> fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have
> phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was 
> searching
> in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But
> this site only works within an specific State, it doesn't work with long
> distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a 
> phone
> free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well
> with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges 
> so
> that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you
> recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could 
> help
> me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>   Helga Schreiber
>
>   Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>
>   Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> Blind Students
>
>   Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>
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> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From kathrynwebster at me.com  Mon Jun  9 09:59:16 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 05:59:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] statistic
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Feel free contacting me offlist with any questions. I use R frequently and perform advanced statistical work.
Best,
Kathryn Webster


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:03 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> I need to use statistic programs. I worked on SPSS and it's not very
> accessible. SPSS is sometimes not very helpful. Now lisrel or some
> other programs are much more popular.
> I learnt that R is both free and much more accessible.
> Is there any R user here?
> Is there anyone interested in statistics proffessionally?
> I'll ask where to start and some accessible documents to improve my skills.
> I have average statistic knowledge in theory, I need to perform my own analysis
> thanks
> 
> -- 
> Elif Emir Öksüz
> Counselor Traınee- Xavier University
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 11:44:41 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 07:44:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
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Helga,little

I currently serve as the Secretary of our student division here in Maryland. For our conference calls we use a Party Line room on a conference line called the Conversation Station. This line already hosts many chat rooms for blind people and is largely used for social purposes, but organizations like ours have created rooms to conduct meetings. Anyone can create a room and control it entirely on the phone. No need to use a Web site, though Conversation Station does have Web controls if you want to use them. Please feel free to write me off-list if you would like some help in setting up a room or using the moderator controls. I am also happy to assist you with this on the phone, Skype, FaceTime, etc.

HTH,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Joeph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you can control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want the number to contact these folks, please let me know.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!  
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> 
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From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org  Mon Jun  9 14:57:04 2014
From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 14:57:04 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
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	<CAAJqG9j90RMyDAbyWR2QhrSst_j3RUFcFfp9_j=RZP+GD6miSQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Let me get this straight.  Notoriety disqualifies you from running for office, so don't do notable things like speak on the agenda or participate in a project, because then people will remember you and you won't be able to run for office?  Being remembered affords you an unfair advantage, so, if you want to run for office, be forgettable!  Wait, wait, what about people that have run for office before; aren't they a bit too unforgettable? Maybe they have an unfair advantage? LOL    Well Justin, don't feel bad about not being forgettable enough. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 9:54 PM
To: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President

Oops, sorry, I hit send by accident.

As I was saying, it doesn't matter because that person already has an advantage over the other candidates. Lets say the speaker talks about his college experience at a NABS meeting, the students who would be casting the vote knows that much more about him than the other candidates who do not have the same opportunity. I'm actually really surprised that the NABS board was so thoughtful in coming up with this policy; it's one of the better ones that I have seen come out of the student division. The only thing I wish is that it would have been written out in the Constitution to make the policy more transparent so that Justin didn't have to feel like he was blowing the whistle.

Minh

On 6/6/14, minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Aleeha,
>
> It doesn't matter whether or not the speaker uses that time for his or 
> her campaigning, the fact of the matter is that person has an 
> advantage
>
> On 6/6/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Okay, so how about this proposal? What if, instead of not letting 
>> someone speak who wishes to run for the board, we say that, if the 
>> person does speak and intends to run for the board, they should not 
>> be permitted to use that time as a self promotion time. If they do 
>> so, they would then be violating the rules of the election, and, 
>> could, therefore, be disqualified from the elections process Let me 
>> know what you guys think.
>> Aleeha
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2014, at 6:39 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hello Justin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you for posting your intentions to run for the President of 
>>> the National Association of Blind Students. I think emails such as 
>>> this one provide an opportunity for members to make an informed 
>>> decision when casting their vote during elections. I also think it 
>>> helps members who cannot attend national convention to feel as 
>>> though they are still a part of this organization despite the fact 
>>> that they are not able to attend national convention.
>>> Therefore,
>>> I
>>> encourage other members seeking election to post their intentions of 
>>> seeking election to the email list as well.
>>>
>>>
>>> At first glance, I agreed with you on your position regarding the 
>>> unspoken agreement that members seeking election should not appear 
>>> on the agenda. I was rather schocked to hear such a policy existed 
>>> in the first place.
>>> However, as I thought about it some more, I could understand why 
>>> such a policy could be important for our organization.
>>>
>>>
>>> The 2011 national convention stands out in my mind as a rather 
>>> memorable convention for me. One of my favorite things about 
>>> national convention is the part during the student seminar where 
>>> each scholarship winner is asked to say a few words about 
>>> themselves, where they go to school, what they are studying, and 
>>> what kind of career they hope to follow upon graduating from 
>>> college.
>>> I have
>>> often been inspired by some of the words spoken during these short 
>>> speaches.
>>>
>>>
>>> During the 2011 national convention, I recall one of these speaches 
>>> being radically different from the rest of the speaches. However, 
>>> what I remember about this particular speech was not what the person 
>>> said about themselves, but rather what this person said about 
>>> someone else. What I remember about the speech was how this person 
>>> took this time to endorse a close friend who was seeking election 
>>> that year. As I was listening to these words, I found them rather 
>>> distasteful for a scholarship speach, and thought they provided an 
>>> unfair advantage for the person being endorsed  for the election.
>>>
>>>
>>> Therefore, I can definitely understand why the National Association 
>>> of Blind Students has a policy not to have those seeking election to 
>>> speak on the agenda. I imagine this policy was not created to 
>>> prevent anyone from appearing on the agenda, but rather to give 
>>> those who seek election a fair chance during the elections.
>>>
>>>
>>> I understand the value of learning from mistakes in life, however, 
>>> if this person were seeking election today, and asked to speak on 
>>> the agenda, I most likely would not include this person on the 
>>> agenda. It seems to me that it is difficult enough to create a 
>>> smooth election process that is fair to everyone, so I do not 
>>> believe we should jeperdize this goal on the account of one person.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please feel free to disagree with my position. However, I just 
>>> simply do not believe it is fair for someone to have the opportunity 
>>> to promote their bid for election during their spot on the agenda. 
>>> It just seems to create a disadvantage for others during the 
>>> elections.
>>>
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>>
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; 
>>>> ctabs.president at gmail.com; massabs at nfbnet.org; wabs at nfbwis.org
>>>> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2014 23:41:13 +0000
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President
>>>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>> Did you know that the National Association of Blind Students board, 
>>>> a bunch of people I love, has a private agreement that presenters 
>>>> on the agenda cannot run for officer positions? I think the mere 
>>>> fact that I am blowing this whistle tells you where I stand on it. 
>>>> I am running for President of the National Association of Blind 
>>>> Students (NABS) because I love NABS, including my fellow board 
>>>> members, and don't like the way NABS functions today. I was going 
>>>> to disappear from the board and NABS leadership because I was 
>>>> discouraged.  I wanted to focus on chapter, affiliate, and division 
>>>> development, legislative advocacy, and the broader initiatives of 
>>>> the National Federation of the Blind. I wanted to "participate as 
>>>> an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind," which I 
>>>> quote from the NABS constitution, but I did not feel like NABS was 
>>>> a vehicle to do that.  I had come to believe that the primary role 
>>>> of NABS had become a blind student networking outlet. Thankfully, 
>>>> some friends and role models of mine from Baltimore picked me up 
>>>> off the ground and told me not to give up on NABS.
>>>> We will not have to sacrifice the social element of NABS if we move 
>>>> it to our peripheral attention. People love people, and I have 
>>>> faith that we will always build personal relationships. I want us 
>>>> to focus more on activity between the big, face-to-face gatherings 
>>>> that only happen a couple of times per year. I want our board to be 
>>>> more hands-on as regional representatives, and, fundamentally, I 
>>>> want to bring more organization to our organization. The National 
>>>> Federation of the Blind is the organized blind movement. I have led 
>>>> workshops and written an article in the Student Slate about 
>>>> creating advertising directories in student divisions. This master 
>>>> email list through which I am contacting you was my idea and my 
>>>> project. I want to focus on unified communication structures for 
>>>> student divisions, like Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet email lists. 
>>>> The power that comes from being organized is tremendous; a little 
>>>> organizing goes a long way. Then, we can focus on both 
>>>> student-specific issues and the broader efforts of the National 
>>>> Federation of the Blind. If we look around the country, college 
>>>> campuses are hotspots for legislative advocacy. I want NABS to 
>>>> reflect this in the organized blind movement.
>>>> I have a mind for organizing everything except my apartment. The 
>>>> more highly we prioritize organization, the more organized we will 
>>>> be and the stronger the organization skills of our members and 
>>>> leaders will be.
>>>> I have the kind of love that enables me to work all night long to 
>>>> further our movement, and it's because I love NABS and my fellow 
>>>> blind students that I am not giving up on NABS. I always focus on 
>>>> preparing and empowering my successors, evident in my article on 
>>>> leadership philosophy in the April 2014 Braille Monitor. I do not 
>>>> hold grudges. I grew up on a gravel road in northeastern 
>>>> Connecticut and attended a regional high school on the UConn 
>>>> campus. I attack a problem with the same tenacity and work ethic 
>>>> that has produced two years of dual NCAA men's and women's 
>>>> basketball championships from my hometown UConn Huskies. This job 
>>>> will not be easy, but I will not give up on NABS.
>>>> I love doing the work of the Federation so much that I have left my 
>>>> top-ten economics doctoral program at the University of 
>>>> Wisconsin-Madison to attend Louisiana Tech University to become a 
>>>> cane travel instructor.
>>>> I
>>>> am in the pool of potential speakers for our agenda so that I can 
>>>> tell everyone how my experience at the Louisiana Center for the 
>>>> Blind changed my life and career path. I pray that I will have the 
>>>> opportunity to share my story, but I understand that this would 
>>>> violate the private agreement within the NABS board and will 
>>>> attempt to get it adjusted in my case.
>>>> Whether I speak or not, I am writing my story as another article to 
>>>> submit to the Braille Monitor.
>>>> I am proud to be a national leader in our movement and even more 
>>>> proud to have other national leaders supporting and encouraging me. 
>>>> I have a decorated resume with many titles and accomplishments, but 
>>>> I want voters to focus on my love for NABS and my fellow blind 
>>>> students, on the railroad that we can build together, and on the 
>>>> effort to achieve equality, opportunity and security for the blind.
>>>> I will be forever grateful for your vote, Justin Salisbury for NABS 
>>>> President, at our national convention. I guarantee that countless 
>>>> other blind students and non-students will be grateful, as well.
>>>>
>>>> Love,
>>>>
>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>> Board Member
>>>> National Association of Blind Students 
>>>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>>>
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>
> --
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> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on 
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>


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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 15:59:57 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 11:59:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Xmbc
Message-ID: <85F43295-868F-4AD3-BCA5-5C7AC84D219D@gmail.com>



Hi guys,
Has anyone ever used xbmc to watch movies that are still in theatwrs?Amanda


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 16:30:32 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 12:30:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <69E77910-94B7-431C-BC70-8D0B77911471@gmail.com>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga><BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
	<69E77910-94B7-431C-BC70-8D0B77911471@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3FA2EC43982B42E88246648E8E411312@Helga>

Hi Chris. Yeah, I'm actually interested in this Conversation Station, and 
also for you to help me with this! However, I just wanted to ask you, does 
Conversation Station works for long distance participants in order for them 
not to pay charges for their phones so that they can attend the call? I'm 
just wondering! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :)
P.S. Could you contact me off list in order to help me with this? Thanks 
again! ;)

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:44 AM
To: Joeph Hudson ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services

Helga,little

I currently serve as the Secretary of our student division here in Maryland. 
For our conference calls we use a Party Line room on a conference line 
called the Conversation Station. This line already hosts many chat rooms for 
blind people and is largely used for social purposes, but organizations like 
ours have created rooms to conduct meetings. Anyone can create a room and 
control it entirely on the phone. No need to use a Web site, though 
Conversation Station does have Web controls if you want to use them. Please 
feel free to write me off-list if you would like some help in setting up a 
room or using the moderator controls. I am also happy to assist you with 
this on the phone, Skype, FaceTime, etc.

HTH,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Joeph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms 
> that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you can 
> control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want the 
> number to contact these folks, please let me know.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple 
>> weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, 
>> I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s 
>> also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us 
>> have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was 
>> searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call 
>> FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific 
>> State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to 
>> ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has 
>> a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in 
>> order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which 
>> free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I 
>> will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear 
>> from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>> Helga Schreiber
>>
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>> Blind Students
>>
>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
>> 3:16
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun  9 16:52:12 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 12:52:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <3FA2EC43982B42E88246648E8E411312@Helga>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
	<69E77910-94B7-431C-BC70-8D0B77911471@gmail.com>
	<3FA2EC43982B42E88246648E8E411312@Helga>
Message-ID: <7358ADD3-6C92-4DE5-A76F-96D79B4B9DA7@me.com>

I think if its a US number, and if someone doesn't have long distance, they'll get charged no matter what.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Chris. Yeah, I'm actually interested in this Conversation Station, and also for you to help me with this! However, I just wanted to ask you, does Conversation Station works for long distance participants in order for them not to pay charges for their phones so that they can attend the call? I'm just wondering! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :)
> P.S. Could you contact me off list in order to help me with this? Thanks again! ;)
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:44 AM
> To: Joeph Hudson ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
> 
> Helga,little
> 
> I currently serve as the Secretary of our student division here in Maryland. For our conference calls we use a Party Line room on a conference line called the Conversation Station. This line already hosts many chat rooms for blind people and is largely used for social purposes, but organizations like ours have created rooms to conduct meetings. Anyone can create a room and control it entirely on the phone. No need to use a Web site, though Conversation Station does have Web controls if you want to use them. Please feel free to write me off-list if you would like some help in setting up a room or using the moderator controls. I am also happy to assist you with this on the phone, Skype, FaceTime, etc.
> 
> HTH,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Joeph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you can control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want the number to contact these folks, please let me know.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Jun  9 17:52:02 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 13:52:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <7358ADD3-6C92-4DE5-A76F-96D79B4B9DA7@me.com>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
	<69E77910-94B7-431C-BC70-8D0B77911471@gmail.com>
	<3FA2EC43982B42E88246648E8E411312@Helga>
	<7358ADD3-6C92-4DE5-A76F-96D79B4B9DA7@me.com>
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Matthew:

Correct. Even Free Conference Call numbers are local US numbers, meaning that anyone who does not have unlimited long distance will be charged by their phone company. The vast majority of landline phone plans now cover long distance calls as do all cell phone carriers, so I wouldn't worry about this when choosing a conference line to use for division meetings.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think if its a US number, and if someone doesn't have long distance, they'll get charged no matter what.
> 
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Chris. Yeah, I'm actually interested in this Conversation Station, and also for you to help me with this! However, I just wanted to ask you, does Conversation Station works for long distance participants in order for them not to pay charges for their phones so that they can attend the call? I'm just wondering! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :)
>> P.S. Could you contact me off list in order to help me with this? Thanks again! ;)
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:44 AM
>> To: Joeph Hudson ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
>> 
>> Helga,little
>> 
>> I currently serve as the Secretary of our student division here in Maryland. For our conference calls we use a Party Line room on a conference line called the Conversation Station. This line already hosts many chat rooms for blind people and is largely used for social purposes, but organizations like ours have created rooms to conduct meetings. Anyone can create a room and control it entirely on the phone. No need to use a Web site, though Conversation Station does have Web controls if you want to use them. Please feel free to write me off-list if you would like some help in setting up a room or using the moderator controls. I am also happy to assist you with this on the phone, Skype, FaceTime, etc.
>> 
>> HTH,
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Joeph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you can control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want the number to contact these folks, please let me know.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings! However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free, and it’s also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually, when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific State, it doesn’t work with long distance participants! I just wanted to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me? Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>> 
>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>> 
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>>>> 
>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>> 
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>>> 
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Jun  9 19:48:52 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:48:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] My Two Cents:
Message-ID: <396470d3e7eb4a83877c56f598a603b3@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

My Two Cents:

I offer the following solely in response to Sean's message.  Nothing in this email should be considered to be an endorsement of any candidate.  

Active participation in the organization is a constitutional right afforded to each member in good standing.  Restricting a member from participating as a convention presenter because of a perceived unfair advantage restricts their ability to actively participate in the organization.   

I state that it is a perceived unfair advantage because there are individuals with poor presentation skills that would do themselves more harm as a presenter.  With that in mind, does disallowing a good presenter from presenting afford the poor presenter an unfair advantage?  Please, let's not debate this question.  Let's work on identifying leaders in the organization that can continue to build the National Federation of the Blind.

The simple remedy to this problem is to allow the individuals that have a message that would benefit the attendees to present on the agenda.  After all, would it be so awful to elect someone with a good message and the ability to offer a stellar presentation to the membership as a leader in the organization? 


Anil







Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Deputy Executive Director 
(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 
Twitter: @AnilLife
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 06, 2014 2:19 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] . Re: Justin Salisbury for NABS Presiden

Good Friday afternoon NABS,

I wanted to briefly jump in on this thread to offer a few important points and clarifications.

First, the policy to exclude individuals who are campaigning for Board positions from speaking on the NABS agenda at convention is not a "private agreement" among the NABS Board. It was a decision that has been discussed, considered and voted on several times dating back to Arielle Silverman's stint as NABS President. I very much understand why Justin and others have concerns about this policy. There is certainly an element of unfairness to it. But it is important to acknowledge that there are also legitimate arguments in favor of the policy. The strongest of which being that placing somebody on the agenda who wishes to run for a position benefits that individual enormously in his or her bid. A speech on the agenda familiarizes everybody in the room with the candidate and leaves the candidate fresh in the mind of all meeting participants. Clearly permitting one candidate this opportunity while denying it to others is not fair. And if everybody who were running for a position was entitled to a spot on the agenda, we would have little time left for anything else. I am not saying that I either oppose or support the policy; I didn't vote last time we considered it. But it is something that was and has been openly discussed among the NABS Board and voted on. Some on the Board voted against the policy last time we discussed it, each of whom had a full opportunity to voice opinions and each of whom possesses one of the equally-weighted nine votes that the Board uses to make decisions between national meetings. There is certainly space for disagreement, but there is no "whistle" to be blown. The process by which the decision was made was legitimate.

Second, nothing in this policy in any way conflicts with the Constitutions of the National Federation of the Blind or the National Association of Blind Students. If anybody is aware of any such conflict, I would be very grateful if it could be brought to my attention, in which case we will certainly change course immediately.

Please, anybody with questions or concerns about this, feel free to contact me to discuss them.

Many thanks,

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
nabs.president at gmail.com

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jun  9 23:41:48 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 19:41:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Qwerty Keyboard
Message-ID: <AAB83A06-BD9E-4ED4-9A18-008B1AE34B73@icloud.com>

Hi, all,
	I am in a Pilot Program with an IPad and Focus 40 Blue Braille Display. The State Services for the Blind provides my Apex. I have to choose between my IPad and Apex. I have requested an Apex with a Qwirty keyboard as opposed to my braille one. They told me that I would have to learn all new commands. Is this true and is so, how many commands are we talking? Thanks for any help!
Mikayla



Sent from my iPad


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun  9 23:45:17 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 19:45:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Qwerty Keyboard
In-Reply-To: <AAB83A06-BD9E-4ED4-9A18-008B1AE34B73@icloud.com>
References: <AAB83A06-BD9E-4ED4-9A18-008B1AE34B73@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <0AEE24F5-5241-4D3F-B7FF-C7F3CE1EC2DF@me.com>

Some commands are a bitdidfferent, but the manual will explain all the commands you need.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi, all,
> 	I am in a Pilot Program with an IPad and Focus 40 Blue Braille Display. The State Services for the Blind provides my Apex. I have to choose between my IPad and Apex. I have requested an Apex with a Qwirty keyboard as opposed to my braille one. They told me that I would have to learn all new commands. Is this true and is so, how many commands are we talking? Thanks for any help!
> Mikayla
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 00:11:35 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 19:11:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Qwerty Keyboard
Message-ID: <53964d73.251b320a.4836.291c@mx.google.com>

Mikayla, I use an Apex with a werty keyboard and I lve it. I've 
played a little bit with a BT, so I can honestly say that they're 
not much different. Since the QT has more keys than the BT, some 
commands will be different because the QT has keys that the BT 
doesn't have, like read, control, function, a main menu key, etc. 
Some commands will use these keys, but they shouldn't be that 
hard to learn. The letter shortcuts (such as pressing W from the 
main menu to get to Keyword) are still the same.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>,National Association 
Of Blind Students Mailing List <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 09 Jun 2014 19:45:17 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Qwerty Keyboard

Some commands are a bitdidfferent, but the manual will explain 
all the commands you need.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670 ext. 4




On Jun 9, 2014, at 7:41 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi, all,
 	I am in a Pilot Program with an IPad and Focus 40 Blue 
Braille Display. The State Services for the Blind provides 
my Apex. I have to choose between my IPad and Apex. I have 
requested an Apex with a Qwirty keyboard as opposed to my 
braille one. They told me that I would have to learn all new 
commands. Is this true and is so, how many commands are we 
talking? Thanks for any help!
 Mikayla



 Sent from my iPad

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From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 00:20:01 2014
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 19:20:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] update and re-intro
Message-ID: <34C16C5D-3096-4CF9-B497-FE33B59CF8E1@gmail.com>

Hey guys,
I don't post a heck of a lot here, but I thought I'd pop in and give y'all an update on me. For those of you who don't know me, I'm Laurel from Fort Worth TX. I have a 5 year old yellow lab guide dog named Stockard from GDB, and I'm a college student.
Now for my update. I came within 2 classes from finishing my degree at UT Arlington before quitting, or shall we say changing plans, due to UTA not accommodating me properly. I know, I know, refusing to accommodate is illegal, I'm dealing with that, and I don't really care to go into details on list, but it's being handled. Thankfully, I'm going to the University of Oklahoma in the fall to finish my degree, and actually I'll end with a better degree and education than what I had to start with. At UTA I was going to simply get a French degree, now, I'll have an Arabic/French education degree with a Russian minor, what I really wanted to start with. I couldn't be happier!
That brings me to my first question. Is anybody here from Oklahoma or currently attending OU? Or, do any of you guys know any blind students at OU? I'd love to know people before I move in August.
Other than that, and that's kept me pretty busy right there, I've just been growing my Scentsy business and starting a second one. I guess you could say I've been pretty busy, which has kept me from posting here. Anyway, hope everyone is doing well and hope to get reaquainted with everyone too. :-)
Y'all have a great evening!

Laurel & guide dog Stockard
Scentsy Independent Consultant
https://laurelwheeler.scentsy.us



From jeffanel at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 00:41:56 2014
From: jeffanel at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch)
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2014 20:41:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] CPR and first aid class
In-Reply-To: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
References: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CA+N-3k2w0TGLxG0eH-gNO7q77msx_Bik9vX6E-RPQiMbzqyHCA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ash

I am CPR AED and first aid surtafide for infents, children and adults
I took the class through the red cross sence I'm an emergency radio
operator, and the class had sevral videos and the instructor told me
everything that was going on in the videos as they came up.
When it came to manacan training the instructor showed me the proper
teckneeks and if I had any problems she helped me with them.
It was a great experience and don't hesitate to ask questions to the
instructor, they want you to pass so they'll do what ever you need to
make sure you pass knowing everything you need to know.

hth

On 6/8/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I need a first aid  and cpr class since I'm working with kids with
> disabilities at a day camp. I'm going to sub and volunteer on a regular
> basis.
>
> If you had the class, how was it? Did you follow it alright by listening?
> Was the instructor hands on for you? I know in this one we have a video to
> watch, but the coordinator could not tell me details as she did not have
> them, but she did think I could listen and be fine.
>
> I'm sure it will work out as they are aware of my visual impairment. How did
> it go for you?
>
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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-- 
73
k8tvv
jeff crouch


From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 15:20:31 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:20:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
Message-ID: <010301cf84bf$890fd590$9b2f80b0$@gmail.com>

Hi Group, 

 

I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best describe as
"genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects about the
program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices? 

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 10 15:33:33 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:33:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
In-Reply-To: <010301cf84bf$890fd590$9b2f80b0$@gmail.com>
References: <010301cf84bf$890fd590$9b2f80b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS767C1736E1082663B9392BBA280@phx.gbl>

Hello Zack,

I do not know of any blind students who have studied genetics. However, I do
know of someone who is sighted who has earned a graduate degree in genetics,
has taught in the field of genetics, and is now pursuing a doctorate degree
in genetics. Although this person is sighted, he would definitely be a great
contact, and I would say this person has a good philosophy regarding
blindness even though this person is not blind. I would be willing to put
you in touch with this person if you are interested.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Zach Mason via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 11:21 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask

Hi Group, 

 

I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best describe as
"genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects about the
program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices? 

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 

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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 15:51:48 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 11:51:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
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Hi Zach,

One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much research as
you can independently. By this I mean read everything available online
about the program you are interested in, including but not limited to
course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc. Then try to
think about any accommodations you might need or problems that might
arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
around those difficulties if they occur. In your discussions with the
disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and see what
their ideas would be for providing accommodations. If you have a State
Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with him/her
about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while in
graduate school.

I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that your
program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
biology, chemistry and the like. That is the area of study that I am
least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not have much
to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for me with
lots of visuals. So it might be a good idea to see if the disability
office has a way of providing you with access to visual illustrations,
presentations, etc. so that you can benefit from them as much as your
peers.

Best of luck!

Shickeytha

On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Group,
>
>
>
> I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best describe as
> "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects about
> the
> program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices?
>
>
>
> Zac
>
>
>
> Zachary Mason
>
> Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>
> Northwinds Farm
>
> (603) 922-8377 Work
>
> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>
>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>
>
>
> 806 U.S. Route 3
>
> North Stratford, NH 03590
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 18:17:57 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 14:17:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
In-Reply-To: <94CA3EDF-EE8A-4F78-94A6-6405A00D82FA@gmail.com>
References: <BADAAE41699A488F81C76687F51CD39A@Helga>
	<BLU405-EAS359EC777DA93773C6FF8B91CE290@phx.gbl>
	<69E77910-94B7-431C-BC70-8D0B77911471@gmail.com>
	<3FA2EC43982B42E88246648E8E411312@Helga>
	<7358ADD3-6C92-4DE5-A76F-96D79B4B9DA7@me.com>
	<94CA3EDF-EE8A-4F78-94A6-6405A00D82FA@gmail.com>
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Hi all,

As Chris said, we've had several people from other states call in to
OABS meetings, and our number is not local to Ohio either.  I know on
my own phone bill that I am not charged extra since long distance is
free, and I have not heard a complaint from any other guest or
division member so I take that as a sign that it isn't a problem.

I do not know the full details of the free conference calling web
site, as our cooresponding secretary was the one who set it up.  I'm
sure if you google it it will pop right up though as with any of these
other conference sites.  Independent research may also yield a result
none of us have mentioned thus far either.

On 6/9/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Matthew:
>
> Correct. Even Free Conference Call numbers are local US numbers, meaning
> that anyone who does not have unlimited long distance will be charged by
> their phone company. The vast majority of landline phone plans now cover
> long distance calls as do all cell phone carriers, so I wouldn't worry about
> this when choosing a conference line to use for division meetings.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:52 PM, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think if its a US number, and if someone doesn't have long distance,
>> they'll get charged no matter what.
>>
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670 ext. 4
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Jun 9, 2014, at 12:30 PM, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Chris. Yeah, I'm actually interested in this Conversation Station, and
>>> also for you to help me with this! However, I just wanted to ask you,
>>> does Conversation Station works for long distance participants in order
>>> for them not to pay charges for their phones so that they can attend the
>>> call? I'm just wondering! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God
>>> bless!! :)
>>> P.S. Could you contact me off list in order to help me with this? Thanks
>>> again! ;)
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind Students
>>>
>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>> 3:16
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2014 7:44 AM
>>> To: Joeph Hudson ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Free Conference Call Services
>>>
>>> Helga,little
>>>
>>> I currently serve as the Secretary of our student division here in
>>> Maryland. For our conference calls we use a Party Line room on a
>>> conference line called the Conversation Station. This line already hosts
>>> many chat rooms for blind people and is largely used for social purposes,
>>> but organizations like ours have created rooms to conduct meetings.
>>> Anyone can create a room and control it entirely on the phone. No need to
>>> use a Web site, though Conversation Station does have Web controls if you
>>> want to use them. Please feel free to write me off-list if you would like
>>> some help in setting up a room or using the moderator controls. I am also
>>> happy to assist you with this on the phone, Skype, FaceTime, etc.
>>>
>>> HTH,
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 10:48 PM, Joeph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Helga, another option for you is uncensored partyline they have rooms
>>>> that you can use if that is something that you would be interested you
>>>> can control your room B of the telephone or the computer. If you want
>>>> the number to contact these folks, please let me know.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Jun 8, 2014, at 9:07 PM, "Helga via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that in a
>>>>> couple weeks or so I would like to hold phone conference call meetings!
>>>>> However, I would like to have a  conference call service that is free,
>>>>> and it's also fre for long distance participants! In fact, I know that
>>>>> many of us have  phone conference call meetings all the time! Actually,
>>>>> when I was searching  in google right now, I find out  a site call
>>>>> FreeConnferenceCall.com But this site only works within an specific
>>>>> State, it doesn't work with long distance participants! I just wanted
>>>>> to ask you, do you know or use a phone free conference call service
>>>>> that has a very good quality, and works well with long distance
>>>>> participants in order for them not to pay any charges so that they can
>>>>> do the call? Which free conference call service will you recommend me?
>>>>> Just wondering! I will really appreciate it, if you could help me with
>>>>> this. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!
>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>>
>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>>>>
>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>> Blind Students
>>>>>
>>>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>> 3:16
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 18:36:51 2014
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 13:36:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
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	<CAFCkBptrEz4i_U_UJar_nX_wU-8Hrvtxp=MKU=efe=yRzY3E9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a1BXqatzt5C=X63oJ_=dR1i4mf4_=6Mxr6nY7_-21X=1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zack,

One of my  neighborhood friends who is blind is doing his  PhD in
genetics.  Unfortionately, I don't have his number, but I can try to
find his email from other people. Would you like me to send his
contact info to you, if I can get it? Feel free to  contact with me,
if you are interested to talk to him.

Thanks and good luck for the grad school!

Zeynep

2014-06-10 10:51 GMT-05:00, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Zach,
>
> One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much research as
> you can independently. By this I mean read everything available online
> about the program you are interested in, including but not limited to
> course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc. Then try to
> think about any accommodations you might need or problems that might
> arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
> around those difficulties if they occur. In your discussions with the
> disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and see what
> their ideas would be for providing accommodations. If you have a State
> Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with him/her
> about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while in
> graduate school.
>
> I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that your
> program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
> biology, chemistry and the like. That is the area of study that I am
> least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not have much
> to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
> classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for me with
> lots of visuals. So it might be a good idea to see if the disability
> office has a way of providing you with access to visual illustrations,
> presentations, etc. so that you can benefit from them as much as your
> peers.
>
> Best of luck!
>
> Shickeytha
>
> On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Group,
>>
>>
>>
>> I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best describe
>> as
>> "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects about
>> the
>> program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices?
>>
>>
>>
>> Zac
>>
>>
>>
>> Zachary Mason
>>
>> Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>>
>> Northwinds Farm
>>
>> (603) 922-8377 Work
>>
>> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>>
>>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 806 U.S. Route 3
>>
>> North Stratford, NH 03590
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 19:34:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 12:34:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
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	<CAFCkBptrEz4i_U_UJar_nX_wU-8Hrvtxp=MKU=efe=yRzY3E9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a1BXqatzt5C=X63oJ_=dR1i4mf4_=6Mxr6nY7_-21X=1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Zach,

Although my Ph.D. was in a different field, I will say that in my
experience with grad school, a disability services office really
shouldn't be a huge requirement. In general, grad courses are small,
and professors and grad students have much stronger one-on-one
interaction. I always received any needed accommodations just by
working with my professors. Furthermore, all course materials were
made available electronically to everyone, not just to me. This is a
big difference from undergrad where students have to fend for
themselves to obtain textbooks and course readers. In grad school,
especially in scientific disciplines, there is a much bigger focus on
empirical papers, which are almost always available online through
campus libraries or course reserves. The one reason I can think of
where you might want to work with a DSS office might be if you want to
get textbooks in Braille, but I'm not sure how much textbook reading
you will be assigned.

I would suggest applying to schools based on their programs and the
quality of fit between your interests and those of the faculty. If you
have a good working relationship with your mentor or mentors,
everything else should fall into place. The mentor will have an
interest in supporting your education and will do whatever is needed
to make that happen. On the other hand, if your mentoring relationship
is weak, you might find it harder to get the accommodations you need.
Once you are admitted, you could certainly check out the DSS office,
but I don't think it needs to be a priority when you're applying. Best
of luck!

Arielle

On 6/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Zack,
>
> One of my  neighborhood friends who is blind is doing his  PhD in
> genetics.  Unfortionately, I don't have his number, but I can try to
> find his email from other people. Would you like me to send his
> contact info to you, if I can get it? Feel free to  contact with me,
> if you are interested to talk to him.
>
> Thanks and good luck for the grad school!
>
> Zeynep
>
> 2014-06-10 10:51 GMT-05:00, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi Zach,
>>
>> One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much research as
>> you can independently. By this I mean read everything available online
>> about the program you are interested in, including but not limited to
>> course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc. Then try to
>> think about any accommodations you might need or problems that might
>> arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
>> around those difficulties if they occur. In your discussions with the
>> disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and see what
>> their ideas would be for providing accommodations. If you have a State
>> Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with him/her
>> about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while in
>> graduate school.
>>
>> I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that your
>> program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
>> biology, chemistry and the like. That is the area of study that I am
>> least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not have much
>> to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
>> classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for me with
>> lots of visuals. So it might be a good idea to see if the disability
>> office has a way of providing you with access to visual illustrations,
>> presentations, etc. so that you can benefit from them as much as your
>> peers.
>>
>> Best of luck!
>>
>> Shickeytha
>>
>> On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Group,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best describe
>>> as
>>> "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects about
>>> the
>>> program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Zac
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Zachary Mason
>>>
>>> Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>>>
>>> Northwinds Farm
>>>
>>> (603) 922-8377 Work
>>>
>>> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>>>
>>>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com>
>>> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 806 U.S. Route 3
>>>
>>> North Stratford, NH 03590
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Jun 10 23:34:41 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 16:34:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote media player questionS
Message-ID: <53979612.a1b0420a.5906.0361@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
I have some questions about the braille-note media player.
Is it possible to create a playlist on the BN when the songs are 
in different folders? I can't put everything in the same folder 
because there are too many files.
Also, one more question.  I have about 2000 plus media files and 
memos, and I'd like them all in one folder but the BN is very 
slow getting into the list.  Has anyone found a way around this, 
or does it just get slower the more files there are?
Thanks,
Vejas


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 00:09:41 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:09:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote media player questionS
Message-ID: <53979e7c.83a0440a.4ecd.7ce8@mx.google.com>


It is not possible to do either of  these.  The BN has to get 
slower when their are more files, because I think it has to 
register what the files are.  And the music has to be all in the 
same folder as the playlist is.

Best of luck


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 16:34:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote media player questionS

Hi all,
I have some questions about the braille-note media player.
Is it possible to create a playlist on the BN when the songs are
in different folders? I can't put everything in the same folder
because there are too many files.
Also, one more question.  I have about 2000 plus media files and
memos, and I'd like them all in one folder but the BN is very
slow getting into the list.  Has anyone found a way around this,
or does it just get slower the more files there are?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 00:15:54 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
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Arielle,

Oh how lucky you were to have all course materials available via
course reserves! Only one of my Master's level classes this coming
semester has readings that are offered through course reserves, and I
know at least two of my required textbooks are not available through
Learning Ally or Bookshare. So I will likely have to get them from the
publisher in accessible format or else scan them with my Pearl. Not a
major inconvenience, but certainly more hassle than having all
materials automatically at one's fingertips!

You make some good points about there being more professor-student
interaction at the graduate level. I am only just now beginning my
program, but am already getting a sense that there is a difference in
that way as compared to undergrad. It does make sense though, since
graduate programs are on a more professional level and with more of a
narrowed focus. I think I personally will like that change.

Best,

Shickeytha

On 6/10/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Zach,
>
> Although my Ph.D. was in a different field, I will say that in my
> experience with grad school, a disability services office really
> shouldn't be a huge requirement. In general, grad courses are small,
> and professors and grad students have much stronger one-on-one
> interaction. I always received any needed accommodations just by
> working with my professors. Furthermore, all course materials were
> made available electronically to everyone, not just to me. This is a
> big difference from undergrad where students have to fend for
> themselves to obtain textbooks and course readers. In grad school,
> especially in scientific disciplines, there is a much bigger focus on
> empirical papers, which are almost always available online through
> campus libraries or course reserves. The one reason I can think of
> where you might want to work with a DSS office might be if you want to
> get textbooks in Braille, but I'm not sure how much textbook reading
> you will be assigned.
>
> I would suggest applying to schools based on their programs and the
> quality of fit between your interests and those of the faculty. If you
> have a good working relationship with your mentor or mentors,
> everything else should fall into place. The mentor will have an
> interest in supporting your education and will do whatever is needed
> to make that happen. On the other hand, if your mentoring relationship
> is weak, you might find it harder to get the accommodations you need.
> Once you are admitted, you could certainly check out the DSS office,
> but I don't think it needs to be a priority when you're applying. Best
> of luck!
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Zack,
>>
>> One of my  neighborhood friends who is blind is doing his  PhD in
>> genetics.  Unfortionately, I don't have his number, but I can try to
>> find his email from other people. Would you like me to send his
>> contact info to you, if I can get it? Feel free to  contact with me,
>> if you are interested to talk to him.
>>
>> Thanks and good luck for the grad school!
>>
>> Zeynep
>>
>> 2014-06-10 10:51 GMT-05:00, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Hi Zach,
>>>
>>> One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much research as
>>> you can independently. By this I mean read everything available online
>>> about the program you are interested in, including but not limited to
>>> course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc. Then try to
>>> think about any accommodations you might need or problems that might
>>> arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
>>> around those difficulties if they occur. In your discussions with the
>>> disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and see what
>>> their ideas would be for providing accommodations. If you have a State
>>> Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with him/her
>>> about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while in
>>> graduate school.
>>>
>>> I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that your
>>> program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
>>> biology, chemistry and the like. That is the area of study that I am
>>> least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not have much
>>> to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
>>> classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for me with
>>> lots of visuals. So it might be a good idea to see if the disability
>>> office has a way of providing you with access to visual illustrations,
>>> presentations, etc. so that you can benefit from them as much as your
>>> peers.
>>>
>>> Best of luck!
>>>
>>> Shickeytha
>>>
>>> On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Group,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best
>>>> describe
>>>> as
>>>> "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or aspects
>>>> about
>>>> the
>>>> program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities Offices?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zac
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Zachary Mason
>>>>
>>>> Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>>>>
>>>> Northwinds Farm
>>>>
>>>> (603) 922-8377 Work
>>>>
>>>> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>>>>
>>>>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com>
>>>> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 806 U.S. Route 3
>>>>
>>>> North Stratford, NH 03590
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 00:39:46 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa)
Date: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 17:39:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
Message-ID: <5397a58a.a241420a.5419.084b@mx.google.com>


I'm just jumping in here.  Not even entirely sure what this is 
about, and I'm sorry.  But, if the books are not available from 
bookshare, have you tried BARD? Or order them from NLS? I think 
there are some other book resources, but I'm not sure.  I don't 
think APH does textbooks, but I could be wrong.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:54 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask

Arielle,

Oh how lucky you were to have all course materials available via
course reserves! Only one of my Master's level classes this 
coming
semester has readings that are offered through course reserves, 
and I
know at least two of my required textbooks are not available 
through
Learning Ally or Bookshare.  So I will likely have to get them 
from the
publisher in accessible format or else scan them with my Pearl.  
Not a
major inconvenience, but certainly more hassle than having all
materials automatically at one's fingertips!

You make some good points about there being more 
professor-student
interaction at the graduate level.  I am only just now beginning 
my
program, but am already getting a sense that there is a 
difference in
that way as compared to undergrad.  It does make sense though, 
since
graduate programs are on a more professional level and with more 
of a
narrowed focus.  I think I personally will like that change.

Best,

Shickeytha

On 6/10/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Zach,

 Although my Ph.D.  was in a different field, I will say that in 
my
 experience with grad school, a disability services office really
 shouldn't be a huge requirement.  In general, grad courses are 
small,
 and professors and grad students have much stronger one-on-one
 interaction.  I always received any needed accommodations just 
by
 working with my professors.  Furthermore, all course materials 
were
 made available electronically to everyone, not just to me.  This 
is a
 big difference from undergrad where students have to fend for
 themselves to obtain textbooks and course readers.  In grad 
school,
 especially in scientific disciplines, there is a much bigger 
focus on
 empirical papers, which are almost always available online 
through
 campus libraries or course reserves.  The one reason I can think 
of
 where you might want to work with a DSS office might be if you 
want to
 get textbooks in Braille, but I'm not sure how much textbook 
reading
 you will be assigned.

 I would suggest applying to schools based on their programs and 
the
 quality of fit between your interests and those of the faculty.  
If you
 have a good working relationship with your mentor or mentors,
 everything else should fall into place.  The mentor will have an
 interest in supporting your education and will do whatever is 
needed
 to make that happen.  On the other hand, if your mentoring 
relationship
 is weak, you might find it harder to get the accommodations you 
need.
 Once you are admitted, you could certainly check out the DSS 
office,
 but I don't think it needs to be a priority when you're 
applying.  Best
 of luck!

 Arielle

 On 6/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Zack,

 One of my  neighborhood friends who is blind is doing his  PhD 
in
 genetics.  Unfortionately, I don't have his number, but I can 
try to
 find his email from other people.  Would you like me to send his
 contact info to you, if I can get it? Feel free to  contact with 
me,
 if you are interested to talk to him.

 Thanks and good luck for the grad school!

 Zeynep

 2014-06-10 10:51 GMT-05:00, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
 Hi Zach,

 One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much 
research as
 you can independently.  By this I mean read everything available 
online
 about the program you are interested in, including but not 
limited to
 course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc.  Then 
try to
 think about any accommodations you might need or problems that 
might
 arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
 around those difficulties if they occur.  In your discussions 
with the
 disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and 
see what
 their ideas would be for providing accommodations.  If you have 
a State
 Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with 
him/her
 about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while 
in
 graduate school.

 I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that 
your
 program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
 biology, chemistry and the like.  That is the area of study that 
I am
 least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not 
have much
 to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
 classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for 
me with
 lots of visuals.  So it might be a good idea to see if the 
disability
 office has a way of providing you with access to visual 
illustrations,
 presentations, etc.  so that you can benefit from them as much 
as your
 peers.

 Best of luck!

 Shickeytha

 On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi Group,



 I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best
 describe
 as
 "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or 
aspects
 about
 the
 program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities 
Offices?



 Zac



 Zachary Mason

 Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

 Northwinds Farm

 (603) 922-8377 Work

 (603) 991-6747 Cell

  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
 zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com



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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 08:38:35 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 01:38:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Help NABs make convention happen!!
References: <F992C95C-D8C9-4A05-881A-100D7B45BC3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2B96A1EF-BDC5-420A-8E8D-390EFC98FBDA@gmail.com>


> 
> Hey Nabs!! 
>>> As you all know, the National association of blind students is
>>> planning a lot of exciting things at national convention. What you may
>>> not know however is that we as a board can’t do all of it ourselves.
>>> So we would very much appreciate your help in making the nabs
>>> activities a success this year!
>>> Where we would most appreciate your assistance is in three areas
>> 1: marshalers for the NABS meeting.   
>> They  are the few, the proud,   the people who make sure you know  where the action is. 
>> They help you find the right line to stand in.   Without them, we don't know how the night might go.
>> five to ten people are needed for the NABS meeting    
>> 
>> 2.
>>> .  Assistance in staffing the nabs table located in the exhibit hall.
>>> Here you will be partnered up with a nabs board member selling   nabs
>>> items and handing out nabs literature.  The schedule for tabling looks
>>> like this:
>> Wednesday,
>>> July 2:
>>> 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
>>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>>> 3:00p.m. – 5:00 p.m.
>>> Thursday, July 3:
>>> 8:30 a.m. – 11:00 a.m.
>>> 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
>>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>>> 3:00 p.m. – 5:00p.m.
>>> Friday, July 4:
>>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m.
>>> 7:00p.m. – 9:00 p.m.
>>> Saturday, July 5:
>>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m
>>> 6:00p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> As you can see, we have eleven shifts, so if you contact me with your
>>> preference, I will be more than happy to get you scheduled in!
>>> 
>>> 3. Staffing the nabs Monte Carlo night fund raiser. This is a great
>>> opportunity to work shoulder to shoulder with us in putting together
>>> one of our most successful events that we do.  For this we will need:
>>> Individuals who can work an early shift (7:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.  Those
>>> individuals will be asked to either
>>> a. Marshal.
>>> b. Set up for the event
>>> c. Deal card games( blackjack, poker, holdemand other such games)
>>> We will also need Late shift workers (9:30 p.m. – 12:00 a.m.)  Those
>>> individuals would be asked to:
>>> a. deal card games (blackjack, poker, holdem and other such games)
>>> b. Assist with event clean- up and playing chip counting.
>>> 
>>> Please let me know what time(s) you are interested in working
>>> (exhibit hall, Monte Carlo or both). If Monte Carlo, please let me
>>> know what job you would like to take on, if you would like to deal and
>>> what games you would like to deal (blackjack, poker, holdem or other
>>> such games).
>>> This is a great opportunity for you to meet the nabs board, and us to
>>> get to know you. As well, this is an equally great opportunity for you
>>> to meet a lot of new people and have some fun at the same time.
>>> Please contact me and copy Sean Whalen, NABS President if interested.
>>> I can be contacted at: dsmithnfb at gmail.com. Sean Can be reached at nabs.president at gmail.com.
>>> 
>>> Thank  you very much for your willingness to work together to make this convention the best one yet!
>> 
>>> I look forward to hearing
>>> from you all real soon and am excited to see you in Orlando!!!
>> Best,
>> Darian
>>> -- 
>>> Darian Smith, 2nd  Vice President
>>> national Association of Blind Students
> 
>> www.nabslink.org
>> 
>> (415)215-9809
>> Dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>> twitter:@goldengateace
>>> 
>>> "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
>>> formula
>>> for a life well lived."
>>> 
>>> - Dr. Peter Benson
>>> 
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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Wed Jun 11 20:12:37 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 16:12:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
In-Reply-To: <5397a58a.a241420a.5419.084b@mx.google.com>
References: <5397a58a.a241420a.5419.084b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBptgBumGr375SdgN82t4bE0p_6hZHBfQShD5MW3Jh66tRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Yes I have tried Bookshare, BARD/NLS, and Learning Ally. I am getting
the impression that books for graduate school are not as easy to find
using these book services. But thanks for the suggestions. If anyone
knows of any other book resource, I'd be glad to hear about it!

Shickeytha

On 6/10/14, Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm just jumping in here.  Not even entirely sure what this is
> about, and I'm sorry.  But, if the books are not available from
> bookshare, have you tried BARD? Or order them from NLS? I think
> there are some other book resources, but I'm not sure.  I don't
> think APH does textbooks, but I could be wrong.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 10 Jun 2014 20:15:54 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions to Ask
>
> Arielle,
>
> Oh how lucky you were to have all course materials available via
> course reserves! Only one of my Master's level classes this
> coming
> semester has readings that are offered through course reserves,
> and I
> know at least two of my required textbooks are not available
> through
> Learning Ally or Bookshare.  So I will likely have to get them
> from the
> publisher in accessible format or else scan them with my Pearl.
> Not a
> major inconvenience, but certainly more hassle than having all
> materials automatically at one's fingertips!
>
> You make some good points about there being more
> professor-student
> interaction at the graduate level.  I am only just now beginning
> my
> program, but am already getting a sense that there is a
> difference in
> that way as compared to undergrad.  It does make sense though,
> since
> graduate programs are on a more professional level and with more
> of a
> narrowed focus.  I think I personally will like that change.
>
> Best,
>
> Shickeytha
>
> On 6/10/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Hi Zach,
>
>  Although my Ph.D.  was in a different field, I will say that in
> my
>  experience with grad school, a disability services office really
>  shouldn't be a huge requirement.  In general, grad courses are
> small,
>  and professors and grad students have much stronger one-on-one
>  interaction.  I always received any needed accommodations just
> by
>  working with my professors.  Furthermore, all course materials
> were
>  made available electronically to everyone, not just to me.  This
> is a
>  big difference from undergrad where students have to fend for
>  themselves to obtain textbooks and course readers.  In grad
> school,
>  especially in scientific disciplines, there is a much bigger
> focus on
>  empirical papers, which are almost always available online
> through
>  campus libraries or course reserves.  The one reason I can think
> of
>  where you might want to work with a DSS office might be if you
> want to
>  get textbooks in Braille, but I'm not sure how much textbook
> reading
>  you will be assigned.
>
>  I would suggest applying to schools based on their programs and
> the
>  quality of fit between your interests and those of the faculty.
> If you
>  have a good working relationship with your mentor or mentors,
>  everything else should fall into place.  The mentor will have an
>  interest in supporting your education and will do whatever is
> needed
>  to make that happen.  On the other hand, if your mentoring
> relationship
>  is weak, you might find it harder to get the accommodations you
> need.
>  Once you are admitted, you could certainly check out the DSS
> office,
>  but I don't think it needs to be a priority when you're
> applying.  Best
>  of luck!
>
>  Arielle
>
>  On 6/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Hi Zack,
>
>  One of my  neighborhood friends who is blind is doing his  PhD
> in
>  genetics.  Unfortionately, I don't have his number, but I can
> try to
>  find his email from other people.  Would you like me to send his
>  contact info to you, if I can get it? Feel free to  contact with
> me,
>  if you are interested to talk to him.
>
>  Thanks and good luck for the grad school!
>
>  Zeynep
>
>  2014-06-10 10:51 GMT-05:00, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
>  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>  Hi Zach,
>
>  One thing I would recommend is start off by doing as much
> research as
>  you can independently.  By this I mean read everything available
> online
>  about the program you are interested in, including but not
> limited to
>  course descriptions, syllabi from previous semesters, etc.  Then
> try to
>  think about any accommodations you might need or problems that
> might
>  arise in those specific classes and try to think of ways to work
>  around those difficulties if they occur.  In your discussions
> with the
>  disability offices, you might bring up specific scenarios and
> see what
>  their ideas would be for providing accommodations.  If you have
> a State
>  Vocational Rehabilitation counselor, you can also talk with
> him/her
>  about what specific things that Agency can provide for you while
> in
>  graduate school.
>
>  I don't know much about genetics, but I get the impression that
> your
>  program will be very science-intensive with lots of classes in
>  biology, chemistry and the like.  That is the area of study that
> I am
>  least interested in and least skilled at, so I really do not
> have much
>  to offer you in terms of advice, but I do know that the science
>  classes I was required to take in undergrad were difficult for
> me with
>  lots of visuals.  So it might be a good idea to see if the
> disability
>  office has a way of providing you with access to visual
> illustrations,
>  presentations, etc.  so that you can benefit from them as much
> as your
>  peers.
>
>  Best of luck!
>
>  Shickeytha
>
>  On 6/10/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hi Group,
>
>
>
>  I'm applying for fall 2015 graduate programs in what I can best
>  describe
>  as
>  "genetics." As a graduate student, are there questions, or
> aspects
>  about
>  the
>  program I would be wise to inquire about of the Disabilities
> Offices?
>
>
>
>  Zac
>
>
>
>  Zachary Mason
>
>  Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>
>  Northwinds Farm
>
>  (603) 922-8377 Work
>
>  (603) 991-6747 Cell
>
>   <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>  zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>
>
>
>  806 U.S.  Route 3
>
>  North Stratford, NH 03590
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 12 00:06:44 2014
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 00:06:44 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Microsoft_Outllok_Keyboard_Shortcuts?=
Message-ID: <528338.83172.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I have previously used MS outlook 2010 and 2013 but my new employer  uses Microsoft word 2007. I have been so far unable to open attachments. Do any of you know if the keyboard shortcut for 2007 is different from that for 2010 and 2013? I use JAWS 15.

Thanks,

Cody

From shickeytha at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 00:31:27 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 20:31:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Outllok Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <528338.83172.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <528338.83172.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBptPEskJ3M2yG_p6QKdofVtCcUH-UrL_BUX3hK_iMBM=ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Cody, I found the following on Freedom Scientific's site:

"If you find you cannot open an attachment in Outlook 2007 using
SHIFT+TAB, ARROWING to an attachment and pressing ENTER, you may need
to enable the Attachment Previewer in Outlook 2007. To do so:

1.From the Tools Menu, choose Trust Center�

2.In the Trust Center dialog, list pane, ARROW UP once to Attachment Handling.

3.TAB to the Turn off Attachment Preview and ensure it is unchecked.
If it is checked, press SPACEBAR to uncheck it.
NOTE: If you wish to customize which file types are affected, press
the Attachment and Document Previewers button.

4.Press OK to save your change"

HTH,

Shickeytha

On 6/11/14, Cody Bair via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have previously used MS outlook 2010 and 2013 but my new employer  uses
> Microsoft word 2007. I have been so far unable to open attachments. Do any
> of you know if the keyboard shortcut for 2007 is different from that for
> 2010 and 2013? I use JAWS 15.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cody
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 01:15:19 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 21:15:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Outllok Keyboard Shortcuts
In-Reply-To: <528338.83172.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <528338.83172.bm@smtp212.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00bc01cf85db$c78332f0$568998d0$@gmail.com>

Shift tab then locateyou attachment and hit enter.  Then you can either save
or open it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Cody Bair via
nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 8:07 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Microsoft Outllok Keyboard Shortcuts

Hi All,

I have previously used MS outlook 2010 and 2013 but my new employer  uses
Microsoft word 2007. I have been so far unable to open attachments. Do any
of you know if the keyboard shortcut for 2007 is different from that for
2010 and 2013? I use JAWS 15.

Thanks,

Cody
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Thu Jun 12 03:43:48 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 03:43:48 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the Blind
Message-ID: <9d87aa55f2e64c3c9f74473ea00e1767@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:
It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I wanted to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I achieved.  Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced such a variety of emotions.
I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who are supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that this organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science as a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had already received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below that of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself, and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so strong is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I have grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure my opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving of it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make the Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I hope that the chosen one will be me.
If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in the National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is to the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives and provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary leader of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement will be unified.
To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President to best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What role do our members want to play in achieving this model?
I eagerly await every reply.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 21:04:53 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:04:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABS 2014 Candidates Forum
Message-ID: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>

Dear all,
As we all know, this year during its annual business meeting NABS will
be holding elections. In that spirit, I will be putting together the
NABS 2014 candidates forum, which will be a time and space where the
membership will get to ask questions and the candidates will answer
those questions, thereby letting us know more about themselves and
their vision for the organization.
How it works: candidates must contact me off list, and let me know if
they are intending to run, which position they are intending to run
for, and if they'd like to participate. Note that preference will be
given to presidential candidates, that is, because of time
constraints; we will not be able to have debates for candidates for
each of the positions which will be up this year. The only position
which is certain to have an opportunity for debate will be the
president's position.
In the next few days I will be circulating a link to a Survey Monkey
which will allow anyone who is a member to submit questions they'd
like candidates to answer. We will put those questions into a pool,
and questions will be randomly selected during the forum. That means
that it is possible not all questions will be asked. However, I will
post the questions publicly after the forum, and candidates can choose
to answer them via the list or whichever way they fancy.
So for right now, those of you who are intending to run for the NABS
board, and are comfortable in declaring that intention please email me
at trillian551 at gmail.com.
I am not part of the NABS board, and I will not be running for any
positions, so rest assure, that I will simply be putting this event
together in an impartial and fair way. I will not be moderating, but
will have a respected member of the NFB moderate. The moderator and I
will be the only ones to see the questions before hand; no candidates
will be given any kind of preferential treatment. Please let me know
if you'd like to participate.
Thanks.


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Thu Jun 12 23:01:57 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:01:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABS 2014 Candidates Forum
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e5Pp4usOO3wuCu+8hA_9frdiHSdaYJVfKbo9TzJVsQWiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, Mary Fernandez,


I would like to participate in asking the candidates questions. Please
either send me the link to surveymonkey or please send me the moderator and
his/her contact info. off list. I appreciate all the effort you do for NABS
in putting together this event for people running for the president of
NABS. Justin Salisbury is already one candidate.


Who runs NABS in the state of NJ?? Who is the president of New Jersey
Assoc. of Blind Students? No one seems to respond to any phone calls made
to the NJABS president anymore. I would like to attend their meetings in
the future.

Anyways, I congratulate you on your change in position in occupation. Great
job!!


Thanks for the informative e-mail you have already sent regarding NABS.
Have a wonderful day!!

Please respond back and stay in touch.


Jimmy Hulme
609-660-0699 (Home)
jim.hulme at gmail.com
member of NFB of New Jersey since 1998 and member of NJABS since 2007.


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear all,
> As we all know, this year during its annual business meeting NABS will
> be holding elections. In that spirit, I will be putting together the
> NABS 2014 candidates forum, which will be a time and space where the
> membership will get to ask questions and the candidates will answer
> those questions, thereby letting us know more about themselves and
> their vision for the organization.
> How it works: candidates must contact me off list, and let me know if
> they are intending to run, which position they are intending to run
> for, and if they'd like to participate. Note that preference will be
> given to presidential candidates, that is, because of time
> constraints; we will not be able to have debates for candidates for
> each of the positions which will be up this year. The only position
> which is certain to have an opportunity for debate will be the
> president's position.
> In the next few days I will be circulating a link to a Survey Monkey
> which will allow anyone who is a member to submit questions they'd
> like candidates to answer. We will put those questions into a pool,
> and questions will be randomly selected during the forum. That means
> that it is possible not all questions will be asked. However, I will
> post the questions publicly after the forum, and candidates can choose
> to answer them via the list or whichever way they fancy.
> So for right now, those of you who are intending to run for the NABS
> board, and are comfortable in declaring that intention please email me
> at trillian551 at gmail.com.
> I am not part of the NABS board, and I will not be running for any
> positions, so rest assure, that I will simply be putting this event
> together in an impartial and fair way. I will not be moderating, but
> will have a respected member of the NFB moderate. The moderator and I
> will be the only ones to see the questions before hand; no candidates
> will be given any kind of preferential treatment. Please let me know
> if you'd like to participate.
> Thanks.
>
>
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
>
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Jun 12 23:10:36 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:10:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABS 2014 Candidates Forum
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e5Pp4usOO3wuCu+8hA_9frdiHSdaYJVfKbo9TzJVsQWiQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e5Pp4usOO3wuCu+8hA_9frdiHSdaYJVfKbo9TzJVsQWiQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <59F8CBE5-5A7C-45B5-9CED-9BEBA7AF9575@icloud.com>

I am a member of NJABS. Who have you tried to contact?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 12, 2014, at 7:01 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, Mary Fernandez,
> 
> 
> I would like to participate in asking the candidates questions. Please
> either send me the link to surveymonkey or please send me the moderator and
> his/her contact info. off list. I appreciate all the effort you do for NABS
> in putting together this event for people running for the president of
> NABS. Justin Salisbury is already one candidate.
> 
> 
> Who runs NABS in the state of NJ?? Who is the president of New Jersey
> Assoc. of Blind Students? No one seems to respond to any phone calls made
> to the NJABS president anymore. I would like to attend their meetings in
> the future.
> 
> Anyways, I congratulate you on your change in position in occupation. Great
> job!!
> 
> 
> Thanks for the informative e-mail you have already sent regarding NABS.
> Have a wonderful day!!
> 
> Please respond back and stay in touch.
> 
> 
> Jimmy Hulme
> 609-660-0699 (Home)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
> member of NFB of New Jersey since 1998 and member of NJABS since 2007.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Dear all,
>> As we all know, this year during its annual business meeting NABS will
>> be holding elections. In that spirit, I will be putting together the
>> NABS 2014 candidates forum, which will be a time and space where the
>> membership will get to ask questions and the candidates will answer
>> those questions, thereby letting us know more about themselves and
>> their vision for the organization.
>> How it works: candidates must contact me off list, and let me know if
>> they are intending to run, which position they are intending to run
>> for, and if they'd like to participate. Note that preference will be
>> given to presidential candidates, that is, because of time
>> constraints; we will not be able to have debates for candidates for
>> each of the positions which will be up this year. The only position
>> which is certain to have an opportunity for debate will be the
>> president's position.
>> In the next few days I will be circulating a link to a Survey Monkey
>> which will allow anyone who is a member to submit questions they'd
>> like candidates to answer. We will put those questions into a pool,
>> and questions will be randomly selected during the forum. That means
>> that it is possible not all questions will be asked. However, I will
>> post the questions publicly after the forum, and candidates can choose
>> to answer them via the list or whichever way they fancy.
>> So for right now, those of you who are intending to run for the NABS
>> board, and are comfortable in declaring that intention please email me
>> at trillian551 at gmail.com.
>> I am not part of the NABS board, and I will not be running for any
>> positions, so rest assure, that I will simply be putting this event
>> together in an impartial and fair way. I will not be moderating, but
>> will have a respected member of the NFB moderate. The moderator and I
>> will be the only ones to see the questions before hand; no candidates
>> will be given any kind of preferential treatment. Please let me know
>> if you'd like to participate.
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>> feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com
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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Fri Jun 13 00:10:02 2014
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 17:10:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Science: & Guides & Adaptations for Blind & LowVision
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbnbreM-8uK5ucK2dE83v1gUhazkR3Jtpbz+cUxAHLHgw@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
	<CAFja7FbnbreM-8uK5ucK2dE83v1gUhazkR3Jtpbz+cUxAHLHgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140612170544.12a69478@comcast.net>

Greetings,

I am wondering if anyone on this LIST can provide me with some useful 
Guides and/or Adptations as it pertains to Science instruction as 
well as TOTALLY BLIND and/or LOWVision students? Any assistance/aid 
IS GREATLY appreciated!

Sent From Berkeley,CA



From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Jun 13 00:29:50 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:29:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: National convention roommate request
Message-ID: <auto-000157957977@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>From: Scott Spaulding <spaulding.scott at gmail.com>
>Subject: National convention roommate request
>Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2014 23:04:30 -0400
>
>David,
>
>I know from time to time you post things like this on NFB lists. 
>Feel free to edit this as needed. My name is Scott Spaulding & I'm 
>in the Louisville Kentucky chapter of the NFB as well as a member of 
>the national Communication & ambassadors committees. I'm in need of 
>a room & roommate for convention. I posted a message on blindtlk & 
>my affiliate president sent me information on somebody from Nevada, 
>but that person needs a female roommate. I'd appreciate any help you 
>can provide in getting the word out for me.
>
>Cordially,
>
>Scott Spaulding
>Cell: 502-584-9930
>Email: spaulding.scott at gmail.com
>
>Sent from my iPad

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 01:03:16 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 21:03:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABS 2014 Candidates Forum
In-Reply-To: <59F8CBE5-5A7C-45B5-9CED-9BEBA7AF9575@icloud.com>
References: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e5Pp4usOO3wuCu+8hA_9frdiHSdaYJVfKbo9TzJVsQWiQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<59F8CBE5-5A7C-45B5-9CED-9BEBA7AF9575@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e750bCfYwBo-Gr5a2YraLOXPjqTENmLZX02FcO3pa1cQQ@mail.gmail.com>

to Mikayla: Shafeka Hashash


On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 7:10 PM, Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
wrote:

> I am a member of NJABS. Who have you tried to contact?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Jun 12, 2014, at 7:01 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hello, Mary Fernandez,
> >
> >
> > I would like to participate in asking the candidates questions. Please
> > either send me the link to surveymonkey or please send me the moderator
> and
> > his/her contact info. off list. I appreciate all the effort you do for
> NABS
> > in putting together this event for people running for the president of
> > NABS. Justin Salisbury is already one candidate.
> >
> >
> > Who runs NABS in the state of NJ?? Who is the president of New Jersey
> > Assoc. of Blind Students? No one seems to respond to any phone calls made
> > to the NJABS president anymore. I would like to attend their meetings in
> > the future.
> >
> > Anyways, I congratulate you on your change in position in occupation.
> Great
> > job!!
> >
> >
> > Thanks for the informative e-mail you have already sent regarding NABS.
> > Have a wonderful day!!
> >
> > Please respond back and stay in touch.
> >
> >
> > Jimmy Hulme
> > 609-660-0699 (Home)
> > jim.hulme at gmail.com
> > member of NFB of New Jersey since 1998 and member of NJABS since 2007.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear all,
> >> As we all know, this year during its annual business meeting NABS will
> >> be holding elections. In that spirit, I will be putting together the
> >> NABS 2014 candidates forum, which will be a time and space where the
> >> membership will get to ask questions and the candidates will answer
> >> those questions, thereby letting us know more about themselves and
> >> their vision for the organization.
> >> How it works: candidates must contact me off list, and let me know if
> >> they are intending to run, which position they are intending to run
> >> for, and if they'd like to participate. Note that preference will be
> >> given to presidential candidates, that is, because of time
> >> constraints; we will not be able to have debates for candidates for
> >> each of the positions which will be up this year. The only position
> >> which is certain to have an opportunity for debate will be the
> >> president's position.
> >> In the next few days I will be circulating a link to a Survey Monkey
> >> which will allow anyone who is a member to submit questions they'd
> >> like candidates to answer. We will put those questions into a pool,
> >> and questions will be randomly selected during the forum. That means
> >> that it is possible not all questions will be asked. However, I will
> >> post the questions publicly after the forum, and candidates can choose
> >> to answer them via the list or whichever way they fancy.
> >> So for right now, those of you who are intending to run for the NABS
> >> board, and are comfortable in declaring that intention please email me
> >> at trillian551 at gmail.com.
> >> I am not part of the NABS board, and I will not be running for any
> >> positions, so rest assure, that I will simply be putting this event
> >> together in an impartial and fair way. I will not be moderating, but
> >> will have a respected member of the NFB moderate. The moderator and I
> >> will be the only ones to see the questions before hand; no candidates
> >> will be given any kind of preferential treatment. Please let me know
> >> if you'd like to participate.
> >> Thanks.
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Mary Fernandez
> >> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> >> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> >> feel."
> >> --
> >> Maya Angelou
> >>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 02:09:39 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 12 Jun 2014 19:09:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Science: & Guides & Adaptations for Blind & LowVision
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140612170544.12a69478@comcast.net>
References: <4B8FC6D08E104BEA935C0454B99FEE18@OwnerPC>
	<CAFja7FbnbreM-8uK5ucK2dE83v1gUhazkR3Jtpbz+cUxAHLHgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<7.0.1.0.2.20140612170544.12a69478@comcast.net>
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Hi Robin,
Check out
www.blindscience.org

Best,
Arielle

On 6/12/14, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I am wondering if anyone on this LIST can provide me with some useful
> Guides and/or Adptations as it pertains to Science instruction as
> well as TOTALLY BLIND and/or LOWVision students? Any assistance/aid
> IS GREATLY appreciated!
>
> Sent From Berkeley,CA
>
>
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Fri Jun 13 05:21:39 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 01:21:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] CPR and first aid class
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	<CAFja7FbnbreM-8uK5ucK2dE83v1gUhazkR3Jtpbz+cUxAHLHgw@mail.gmail.com>
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I believe I took the same babysitting course in 2010 with my Girl Scout troop. My friend described what I was not clear on and as I remember the videos were pretty clear. One thing I would recomend is if you have a choice of using a face shield don't use it because I found I received better tactual feedback when I did not use it. 
Hth

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 9, 2014, at 2:03 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> 
> I've been CPR certified twice, first by the Red Cross for a baby
> sitting course I took as a teenager, and then later by the American
> Heart Association so I could work as a student teacher in a school for
> a Teacher Academy program.  In both cases the instructor was able to
> work with me to make sure I got the proper techniques.  The Red Cross
> course did not have a video, but it also had some things that are
> normally not covered like the infant heimlic maneuver.  The American
> Heart Association course did have the video, and it was fine for me to
> listen to.  If this is the same one you'll be watching, it's very
> understandable, and each step for each procedure is described in
> detail.  We also practiced the steps of each procedure after they were
> explained in the video.  E.G, when we watched the episode on how to
> properly inject an epipen we practiced with fake epipens on our
> classmates so we could get the motion down.  The instructor gave me a
> little more attention when we were practicing compressions and mouth
> to mouth on the dummies, and she was very good at showing as well as
> telling me how to do the techniques by positioning my hands
> appropriately, or providing clear instructions that I could follow.  I
> think it helped that we had a firefighter teach our class, because I
> think they're trained to work with disabled people for their job
> possibly more than someone who just teaches the CPR class.
> 
> Hope this helps.  I really enjoyed taking the course, and being CPR
> certified comes in really handy.  Thankfully, I have only just
> recently had to use the skills I learned in my courses in a real
> situation, but I'm thankful that I'm always prepared to use them in
> case of an emergency.
> 
> P.S, if you ever baby sit and actively seek jobs, CPR certification is
> a great thing to mention in ads or on a reduced resume you might give
> to potential parents.  It makes them feel a lot more comfortable
> knowing that if some worst case scenario were to happen while they
> were not around, the person taking care of their children knows how to
> handle the situation and act in an emergency.
> 
>> On 6/8/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I need a first aid  and cpr class since I'm working with kids with
>> disabilities at a day camp. I'm going to sub and volunteer on a regular
>> basis.
>> 
>> If you had the class, how was it? Did you follow it alright by listening?
>> Was the instructor hands on for you? I know in this one we have a video to
>> watch, but the coordinator could not tell me details as she did not have
>> them, but she did think I could listen and be fine.
>> 
>> I'm sure it will work out as they are aware of my visual impairment. How did
>> it go for you?
>> 
>> Thanks.
>> Ashley
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l:
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 15:59:02 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 11:59:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Announcing NABS 2014 Candidates Forum
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-s_EgOijHYgNXdgfhZVO30-e=6r7usd4x-a65ohb=hk9A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <539B1FC6.6030805@gmail.com>

You should conduct this during a conference call; this was done once 
before, and was a great way to have people come to ask questions and such.
On 6/12/2014 5:04 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l wrote:
> Dear all,
> As we all know, this year during its annual business meeting NABS will
> be holding elections. In that spirit, I will be putting together the
> NABS 2014 candidates forum, which will be a time and space where the
> membership will get to ask questions and the candidates will answer
> those questions, thereby letting us know more about themselves and
> their vision for the organization.
> How it works: candidates must contact me off list, and let me know if
> they are intending to run, which position they are intending to run
> for, and if they'd like to participate. Note that preference will be
> given to presidential candidates, that is, because of time
> constraints; we will not be able to have debates for candidates for
> each of the positions which will be up this year. The only position
> which is certain to have an opportunity for debate will be the
> president's position.
> In the next few days I will be circulating a link to a Survey Monkey
> which will allow anyone who is a member to submit questions they'd
> like candidates to answer. We will put those questions into a pool,
> and questions will be randomly selected during the forum. That means
> that it is possible not all questions will be asked. However, I will
> post the questions publicly after the forum, and candidates can choose
> to answer them via the list or whichever way they fancy.
> So for right now, those of you who are intending to run for the NABS
> board, and are comfortable in declaring that intention please email me
> at trillian551 at gmail.com.
> I am not part of the NABS board, and I will not be running for any
> positions, so rest assure, that I will simply be putting this event
> together in an impartial and fair way. I will not be moderating, but
> will have a respected member of the NFB moderate. The moderator and I
> will be the only ones to see the questions before hand; no candidates
> will be given any kind of preferential treatment. Please let me know
> if you'd like to participate.
> Thanks.
>
>



From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 13 22:02:06 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 18:02:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the
	Blind
In-Reply-To: <9d87aa55f2e64c3c9f74473ea00e1767@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9d87aa55f2e64c3c9f74473ea00e1767@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <00e301cf8753$1dcc5740$596505c0$@gmail.com>

Dear Justin:

I thank you for this latest note and, quite frankly, for your last one as
well. In my view it always behooves us as members to have these kinds of
open discussions about how we would like NABS to operate. It is particularly
gratifying when a member of the Board poses these questions to the open
forum of the listserv, thereby opening the door for public discussion and
debate. As someone who has served on the Board of the Maryland Association
of Blind Students for the past two years now, I willingly admit that such
conversations are too often reserved for the Board members and committee
leaders. I think we forget to poll the membership on these questions between
conventions, which I fear widens a potential gap between the membership and
the leadership. As our nation is called to be one governed by the people, so
our Federation is in essence a people's movement. Thank you for reminding us
to return to this essential principle. With this said, I have spent some
time pondering your questions and would like to provide my thoughts and
experience.

To me, the essence of a division's unity with the wider movement can be
found in its close communication with state and national leaders as well as
its support of Federation-wide policies and programs. The NFB Pledge calls
us to "support the programs and policies of the Federation, and to abide by
its Constitution." In the experience of our student division here in
Maryland, we began to fall apart when our leadership felt that they could
reinvent the wheel and halt the close relationship which used to exist
between the student President and the affiliate President. Their goal in
doing this was to make the student division its own entity, operating on its
own terms and making its own rules. They thought the division would be more
effective if it was not perceived as operating solely at the whim of the
"big wigs" in Baltimore. The result, however, was the opposite of what these
past leaders had hoped for. The members, and ultimately the leaders
themselves, became apathetic. Very little events were held and almost no
revenue was coming into the treasury. Eventually, the division became
completely dependent on the affiliate to remain afloat financially. Even our
bank account was joined with the affiliate's. Only when a new Board led by a
new President were elected did the division begin to grow. This new Board
was energetic about our cause, willing to work, and--most importantly--they
were willing to cooperate and communicate with Federation leaders at the
state and national levels. Our division President often jokingly tells the
Board that at times it seems like she is on the phone with the affiliate
President nearly every day.

Over the past few years we have found this close communication with our
state and national offices beneficial in the continued growth of our
division. It allows us to provide mutual support to each other, as I believe
divisions are meant to do. When the state and national movements launch a
new initiative, we can use our resources to support it. In return, the state
and national leaders can use their connections to advertise our initiatives
and fundraisers to more people than we ever could on our own. Moreover,
invaluable insights can be gained from such communication. Often we on the
MDABS Board contact our state President with our ideas and ask for advice on
how they can be carried out. I personally and MDABS collectively have found
that the experience of older Federation leaders has been very helpful to us
in planning more effective events and generally growing a stronger
organization which remains an integral part of the wider movement.

Therefore, I believe that NABS is doing a very good job currently of
remaining united with the Federation as a whole while staying true to that
which makes us unique. We have divisions, I believe, to serve the needs and
concerns of those who have a special interest in certain issues which only
effect a certain group of people. NABS, for example, exists to serve the
needs of blind students specifically. However, I believe we must remember
that we are also, as you so eloquently stated it, a "division in the
National Federation of the Blind." This status calls us to maintain
communication between our colleagues in the movement who are not students.
It also requires that we honor the pledge we took upon joining this
organization: that we would, both personally and collectively, "support the
programs and policies of the Federation." So long as we maintain this level
of communication and mutual support with our fellow Federationists, in my
opinion, we will remain on the right track.

Yours in the movement,

Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division in the National
Federation of the Blind of Maryland

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:44 PM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'; 'ctabs at nfbnet.org'; Massachusetts Association of
Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org); List for NABS State Presidents
(nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org); Wisconsin Association of Blind Students List
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the Blind

Fellow Federationists:
It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I wanted
to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I achieved.
Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In
one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced such
a variety of emotions.
I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who are
supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that this
organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I
remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science as
a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind
environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had already
received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of
mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below that
of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself,
and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National
Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so strong
is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best
leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have
anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found
myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I have
grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure my
opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our
movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving of
it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make the
Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for
this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I
hope that the chosen one will be me.
If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly
recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then
President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most
appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in the
National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide
advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is to
the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on
student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives and
provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire
Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind
students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the
Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am
elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary leader
of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be
the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement will
be unified.
To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of
NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate
discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President to
best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What role
do our members want to play in achieving this model?
I eagerly await every reply.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>

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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Jun 14 00:55:15 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
Message-ID: <auto-000158081175@mailfront3.g2host.com>


Roll Call



Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind

By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11



While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill, 
they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The 
government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.



The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between 
100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who 
are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in 
written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing today.



In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described 
the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the 
denomination of a bill out loud."



The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a 
court ruling several years ago that directed the department to 
provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to currency.



"We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program 
out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development 
and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his 
statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind 
and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop 
the readers.









         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 14 02:12:32 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 22:12:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
In-Reply-To: <00e301cf8753$1dcc5740$596505c0$@gmail.com>
References: <9d87aa55f2e64c3c9f74473ea00e1767@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<00e301cf8753$1dcc5740$596505c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8006735069104388BF40AB93023D53F5@OwnerPC>

hi Chris,
communication is good, but national doesn't track what every state division 
does, at least not to my knowledge.
Your state president and affiliate should communicate with your state 
division though.
I think you in your MD division communicate with national because you're 
right in MD but remember this is not typical.
Just saying. But overall,
good message. Glad your  division is strong, and I wish I could say the same 
about the virginia student division.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 6:02 PM
To: 'Justin Salisbury' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of 
theBlind

Dear Justin:

I thank you for this latest note and, quite frankly, for your last one as
well. In my view it always behooves us as members to have these kinds of
open discussions about how we would like NABS to operate. It is particularly
gratifying when a member of the Board poses these questions to the open
forum of the listserv, thereby opening the door for public discussion and
debate. As someone who has served on the Board of the Maryland Association
of Blind Students for the past two years now, I willingly admit that such
conversations are too often reserved for the Board members and committee
leaders. I think we forget to poll the membership on these questions between
conventions, which I fear widens a potential gap between the membership and
the leadership. As our nation is called to be one governed by the people, so
our Federation is in essence a people's movement. Thank you for reminding us
to return to this essential principle. With this said, I have spent some
time pondering your questions and would like to provide my thoughts and
experience.

To me, the essence of a division's unity with the wider movement can be
found in its close communication with state and national leaders as well as
its support of Federation-wide policies and programs. The NFB Pledge calls
us to "support the programs and policies of the Federation, and to abide by
its Constitution." In the experience of our student division here in
Maryland, we began to fall apart when our leadership felt that they could
reinvent the wheel and halt the close relationship which used to exist
between the student President and the affiliate President. Their goal in
doing this was to make the student division its own entity, operating on its
own terms and making its own rules. They thought the division would be more
effective if it was not perceived as operating solely at the whim of the
"big wigs" in Baltimore. The result, however, was the opposite of what these
past leaders had hoped for. The members, and ultimately the leaders
themselves, became apathetic. Very little events were held and almost no
revenue was coming into the treasury. Eventually, the division became
completely dependent on the affiliate to remain afloat financially. Even our
bank account was joined with the affiliate's. Only when a new Board led by a
new President were elected did the division begin to grow. This new Board
was energetic about our cause, willing to work, and--most importantly--they
were willing to cooperate and communicate with Federation leaders at the
state and national levels. Our division President often jokingly tells the
Board that at times it seems like she is on the phone with the affiliate
President nearly every day.

Over the past few years we have found this close communication with our
state and national offices beneficial in the continued growth of our
division. It allows us to provide mutual support to each other, as I believe
divisions are meant to do. When the state and national movements launch a
new initiative, we can use our resources to support it. In return, the state
and national leaders can use their connections to advertise our initiatives
and fundraisers to more people than we ever could on our own. Moreover,
invaluable insights can be gained from such communication. Often we on the
MDABS Board contact our state President with our ideas and ask for advice on
how they can be carried out. I personally and MDABS collectively have found
that the experience of older Federation leaders has been very helpful to us
in planning more effective events and generally growing a stronger
organization which remains an integral part of the wider movement.

Therefore, I believe that NABS is doing a very good job currently of
remaining united with the Federation as a whole while staying true to that
which makes us unique. We have divisions, I believe, to serve the needs and
concerns of those who have a special interest in certain issues which only
effect a certain group of people. NABS, for example, exists to serve the
needs of blind students specifically. However, I believe we must remember
that we are also, as you so eloquently stated it, a "division in the
National Federation of the Blind." This status calls us to maintain
communication between our colleagues in the movement who are not students.
It also requires that we honor the pledge we took upon joining this
organization: that we would, both personally and collectively, "support the
programs and policies of the Federation." So long as we maintain this level
of communication and mutual support with our fellow Federationists, in my
opinion, we will remain on the right track.

Yours in the movement,

Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division in the National
Federation of the Blind of Maryland

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:44 PM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'; 'ctabs at nfbnet.org'; Massachusetts Association of
Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org); List for NABS State Presidents
(nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org); Wisconsin Association of Blind Students List
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the Blind

Fellow Federationists:
It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I wanted
to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I achieved.
Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In
one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced such
a variety of emotions.
I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who are
supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that this
organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I
remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science as
a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind
environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had already
received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of
mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below that
of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself,
and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National
Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so strong
is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best
leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have
anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found
myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I have
grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure my
opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our
movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving of
it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make the
Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for
this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I
hope that the chosen one will be me.
If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly
recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then
President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most
appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in the
National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide
advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is to
the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on
student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives and
provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire
Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind
students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the
Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am
elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary leader
of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be
the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement will
be unified.
To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of
NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate
discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President to
best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What role
do our members want to play in achieving this model?
I eagerly await every reply.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jun 14 13:25:15 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 09:25:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
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What is going on in virginia, ? We can all help each other out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi Chris,
> communication is good, but national doesn't track what every state division does, at least not to my knowledge.
> Your state president and affiliate should communicate with your state division though.
> I think you in your MD division communicate with national because you're right in MD but remember this is not typical.
> Just saying. But overall,
> good message. Glad your  division is strong, and I wish I could say the same about the virginia student division.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 6:02 PM
> To: 'Justin Salisbury' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
> 
> Dear Justin:
> 
> I thank you for this latest note and, quite frankly, for your last one as
> well. In my view it always behooves us as members to have these kinds of
> open discussions about how we would like NABS to operate. It is particularly
> gratifying when a member of the Board poses these questions to the open
> forum of the listserv, thereby opening the door for public discussion and
> debate. As someone who has served on the Board of the Maryland Association
> of Blind Students for the past two years now, I willingly admit that such
> conversations are too often reserved for the Board members and committee
> leaders. I think we forget to poll the membership on these questions between
> conventions, which I fear widens a potential gap between the membership and
> the leadership. As our nation is called to be one governed by the people, so
> our Federation is in essence a people's movement. Thank you for reminding us
> to return to this essential principle. With this said, I have spent some
> time pondering your questions and would like to provide my thoughts and
> experience.
> 
> To me, the essence of a division's unity with the wider movement can be
> found in its close communication with state and national leaders as well as
> its support of Federation-wide policies and programs. The NFB Pledge calls
> us to "support the programs and policies of the Federation, and to abide by
> its Constitution." In the experience of our student division here in
> Maryland, we began to fall apart when our leadership felt that they could
> reinvent the wheel and halt the close relationship which used to exist
> between the student President and the affiliate President. Their goal in
> doing this was to make the student division its own entity, operating on its
> own terms and making its own rules. They thought the division would be more
> effective if it was not perceived as operating solely at the whim of the
> "big wigs" in Baltimore. The result, however, was the opposite of what these
> past leaders had hoped for. The members, and ultimately the leaders
> themselves, became apathetic. Very little events were held and almost no
> revenue was coming into the treasury. Eventually, the division became
> completely dependent on the affiliate to remain afloat financially. Even our
> bank account was joined with the affiliate's. Only when a new Board led by a
> new President were elected did the division begin to grow. This new Board
> was energetic about our cause, willing to work, and--most importantly--they
> were willing to cooperate and communicate with Federation leaders at the
> state and national levels. Our division President often jokingly tells the
> Board that at times it seems like she is on the phone with the affiliate
> President nearly every day.
> 
> Over the past few years we have found this close communication with our
> state and national offices beneficial in the continued growth of our
> division. It allows us to provide mutual support to each other, as I believe
> divisions are meant to do. When the state and national movements launch a
> new initiative, we can use our resources to support it. In return, the state
> and national leaders can use their connections to advertise our initiatives
> and fundraisers to more people than we ever could on our own. Moreover,
> invaluable insights can be gained from such communication. Often we on the
> MDABS Board contact our state President with our ideas and ask for advice on
> how they can be carried out. I personally and MDABS collectively have found
> that the experience of older Federation leaders has been very helpful to us
> in planning more effective events and generally growing a stronger
> organization which remains an integral part of the wider movement.
> 
> Therefore, I believe that NABS is doing a very good job currently of
> remaining united with the Federation as a whole while staying true to that
> which makes us unique. We have divisions, I believe, to serve the needs and
> concerns of those who have a special interest in certain issues which only
> effect a certain group of people. NABS, for example, exists to serve the
> needs of blind students specifically. However, I believe we must remember
> that we are also, as you so eloquently stated it, a "division in the
> National Federation of the Blind." This status calls us to maintain
> communication between our colleagues in the movement who are not students.
> It also requires that we honor the pledge we took upon joining this
> organization: that we would, both personally and collectively, "support the
> programs and policies of the Federation." So long as we maintain this level
> of communication and mutual support with our fellow Federationists, in my
> opinion, we will remain on the right track.
> 
> Yours in the movement,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
> Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division in the National
> Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:44 PM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'; 'ctabs at nfbnet.org'; Massachusetts Association of
> Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org); List for NABS State Presidents
> (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org); Wisconsin Association of Blind Students List
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I wanted
> to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I achieved.
> Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In
> one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced such
> a variety of emotions.
> I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who are
> supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that this
> organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I
> remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science as
> a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind
> environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had already
> received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of
> mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below that
> of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself,
> and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National
> Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so strong
> is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best
> leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have
> anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found
> myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I have
> grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure my
> opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our
> movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving of
> it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make the
> Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for
> this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I
> hope that the chosen one will be me.
> If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly
> recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then
> President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most
> appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in the
> National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide
> advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is to
> the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on
> student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives and
> provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire
> Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind
> students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the
> Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am
> elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary leader
> of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be
> the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement will
> be unified.
> To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of
> NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate
> discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President to
> best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What role
> do our members want to play in achieving this model?
> I eagerly await every reply.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> om
> 
> 
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 14:44:02 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 10:44:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
Message-ID: <1F904953-6AF8-40CA-8F50-872A1E3FBE53@gmail.com>



Hi everyone,
Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jun 14 16:38:44 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:38:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
Message-ID: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>

Hi
I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?

Sent from my iPhone


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 17:59:37 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 13:59:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
Message-ID: <539c8d97.50f9b60a.56b8.ffff8c27@mx.google.com>

Hi Mikayla unfortuantely I won't be able to attend convention 
this year.  I'll be listening to the general sessions via the 
live stream.


From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 18:19:11 2014
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'Meally)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:19:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
In-Reply-To: <B4F1101F-D217-4EEF-A67E-0416D3B64578@icloud.com>
References: <9d87aa55f2e64c3c9f74473ea00e1767@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
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	<B4F1101F-D217-4EEF-A67E-0416D3B64578@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <73D54DDA-2254-4753-94AB-2FE61A454E8C@gmail.com>

I would also like to know this.

Christopher O’Meally
VABS Board Member
chris.omeally at gmail.com



On Jun 14, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> What is going on in virginia, ? We can all help each other out.	

> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> hi Chris,
>> communication is good, but national doesn't track what every state division does, at least not to my knowledge.
>> Your state president and affiliate should communicate with your state division though.
>> I think you in your MD division communicate with national because you're right in MD but remember this is not typical.
>> Just saying. But overall,
>> good message. Glad your  division is strong, and I wish I could say the same about the virginia student division.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 6:02 PM
>> To: 'Justin Salisbury' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
>> 
>> Dear Justin:
>> 
>> I thank you for this latest note and, quite frankly, for your last one as
>> well. In my view it always behooves us as members to have these kinds of
>> open discussions about how we would like NABS to operate. It is particularly
>> gratifying when a member of the Board poses these questions to the open
>> forum of the listserv, thereby opening the door for public discussion and
>> debate. As someone who has served on the Board of the Maryland Association
>> of Blind Students for the past two years now, I willingly admit that such
>> conversations are too often reserved for the Board members and committee
>> leaders. I think we forget to poll the membership on these questions between
>> conventions, which I fear widens a potential gap between the membership and
>> the leadership. As our nation is called to be one governed by the people, so
>> our Federation is in essence a people's movement. Thank you for reminding us
>> to return to this essential principle. With this said, I have spent some
>> time pondering your questions and would like to provide my thoughts and
>> experience.
>> 
>> To me, the essence of a division's unity with the wider movement can be
>> found in its close communication with state and national leaders as well as
>> its support of Federation-wide policies and programs. The NFB Pledge calls
>> us to "support the programs and policies of the Federation, and to abide by
>> its Constitution." In the experience of our student division here in
>> Maryland, we began to fall apart when our leadership felt that they could
>> reinvent the wheel and halt the close relationship which used to exist
>> between the student President and the affiliate President. Their goal in
>> doing this was to make the student division its own entity, operating on its
>> own terms and making its own rules. They thought the division would be more
>> effective if it was not perceived as operating solely at the whim of the
>> "big wigs" in Baltimore. The result, however, was the opposite of what these
>> past leaders had hoped for. The members, and ultimately the leaders
>> themselves, became apathetic. Very little events were held and almost no
>> revenue was coming into the treasury. Eventually, the division became
>> completely dependent on the affiliate to remain afloat financially. Even our
>> bank account was joined with the affiliate's. Only when a new Board led by a
>> new President were elected did the division begin to grow. This new Board
>> was energetic about our cause, willing to work, and--most importantly--they
>> were willing to cooperate and communicate with Federation leaders at the
>> state and national levels. Our division President often jokingly tells the
>> Board that at times it seems like she is on the phone with the affiliate
>> President nearly every day.
>> 
>> Over the past few years we have found this close communication with our
>> state and national offices beneficial in the continued growth of our
>> division. It allows us to provide mutual support to each other, as I believe
>> divisions are meant to do. When the state and national movements launch a
>> new initiative, we can use our resources to support it. In return, the state
>> and national leaders can use their connections to advertise our initiatives
>> and fundraisers to more people than we ever could on our own. Moreover,
>> invaluable insights can be gained from such communication. Often we on the
>> MDABS Board contact our state President with our ideas and ask for advice on
>> how they can be carried out. I personally and MDABS collectively have found
>> that the experience of older Federation leaders has been very helpful to us
>> in planning more effective events and generally growing a stronger
>> organization which remains an integral part of the wider movement.
>> 
>> Therefore, I believe that NABS is doing a very good job currently of
>> remaining united with the Federation as a whole while staying true to that
>> which makes us unique. We have divisions, I believe, to serve the needs and
>> concerns of those who have a special interest in certain issues which only
>> effect a certain group of people. NABS, for example, exists to serve the
>> needs of blind students specifically. However, I believe we must remember
>> that we are also, as you so eloquently stated it, a "division in the
>> National Federation of the Blind." This status calls us to maintain
>> communication between our colleagues in the movement who are not students.
>> It also requires that we honor the pledge we took upon joining this
>> organization: that we would, both personally and collectively, "support the
>> programs and policies of the Federation." So long as we maintain this level
>> of communication and mutual support with our fellow Federationists, in my
>> opinion, we will remain on the right track.
>> 
>> Yours in the movement,
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division in the National
>> Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:44 PM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'; 'ctabs at nfbnet.org'; Massachusetts Association of
>> Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org); List for NABS State Presidents
>> (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org); Wisconsin Association of Blind Students List
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the Blind
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I wanted
>> to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I achieved.
>> Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In
>> one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced such
>> a variety of emotions.
>> I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who are
>> supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that this
>> organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I
>> remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science as
>> a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind
>> environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had already
>> received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of
>> mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below that
>> of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself,
>> and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National
>> Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so strong
>> is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best
>> leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have
>> anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found
>> myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I have
>> grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure my
>> opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our
>> movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving of
>> it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make the
>> Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for
>> this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I
>> hope that the chosen one will be me.
>> If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly
>> recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then
>> President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most
>> appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in the
>> National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide
>> advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is to
>> the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on
>> student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives and
>> provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire
>> Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind
>> students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the
>> Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am
>> elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary leader
>> of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be
>> the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement will
>> be unified.
>> To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of
>> NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate
>> discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President to
>> best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What role
>> do our members want to play in achieving this model?
>> I eagerly await every reply.
>> 
>> Sincerely yours,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.c
>> om
>> 
>> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jun 14 18:26:17 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:26:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <539c8d97.50f9b60a.56b8.ffff8c27@mx.google.com>
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It is just if you are

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mikayla unfortuantely I won't be able to attend convention this year.  I'll be listening to the general sessions via the live stream.


From kathrynwebster at me.com  Sat Jun 14 18:27:46 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:27:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
References: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <DB251EA9-3790-48F1-9E33-F646102F3380@me.com>

Mikayla, what is your personal email address so individuals can email you their contact information without posting it to the list?
Kathryn 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 18:28:56 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:28:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
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Hi Christopher nice to meet you.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I 
am on the mailing lists for the National and Florida Asseciations 
Of Blind Students.  I am beginning to pursue my Bachelor's degree 
starting on the 26th of this month.


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Jun 14 18:30:47 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 14:30:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
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mikgephart at icloud.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 2:27 PM, Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla, what is your personal email address so individuals can email you their contact information without posting it to the list?
> Kathryn 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 18:37:13 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 12:37:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
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I wrote you back. I will be going to convention, y'all

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:26, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It is just if you are
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 1:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mikayla unfortuantely I won't be able to attend convention this year.  I'll be listening to the general sessions via the live stream.
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 20:09:12 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 16:09:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
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Mikayla:

Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.

Chris Nusbaum
Cell: (443) 547-2409
Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.

I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 14 20:12:01 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 16:12:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of theBlind
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Chris,
since you are involved more in vabs than me now, you might know more.
Basically, I felt we did not do much. We did not communicate and act like a 
division.
If you all have once a year seminars at state convention, is that really 
much of a division?
That's all I'll say.
I  certainly did reach out to members and wanted to do more but things did 
not happen.
Anyway with the younger students, you all can change this if you want to; 
start with getting money; the division has never had its own money and 
treasurery as far as I know and when I spoke to the past president like few 
years back this was the case.
Communication needs to improve.

Anyway that was the issue. I don't know if I'm at state convention, but if 
you go, maybe you all can plan stuff as a division. I'd certainly support 
this  and someday may be a student again if I'm in grad school.

good luck.
ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Christopher O'Meally via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 2:19 PM
To: Mikayla Gephart ; Nabs L
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of 
theBlind

I would also like to know this.

Christopher O’Meally
VABS Board Member
chris.omeally at gmail.com



On Jun 14, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

> What is going on in virginia, ? We can all help each other out.

>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 13, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> hi Chris,
>> communication is good, but national doesn't track what every state 
>> division does, at least not to my knowledge.
>> Your state president and affiliate should communicate with your state 
>> division though.
>> I think you in your MD division communicate with national because you're 
>> right in MD but remember this is not typical.
>> Just saying. But overall,
>> good message. Glad your  division is strong, and I wish I could say the 
>> same about the virginia student division.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, June 13, 2014 6:02 PM
>> To: 'Justin Salisbury' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list'
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of 
>> theBlind
>>
>> Dear Justin:
>>
>> I thank you for this latest note and, quite frankly, for your last one as
>> well. In my view it always behooves us as members to have these kinds of
>> open discussions about how we would like NABS to operate. It is 
>> particularly
>> gratifying when a member of the Board poses these questions to the open
>> forum of the listserv, thereby opening the door for public discussion and
>> debate. As someone who has served on the Board of the Maryland 
>> Association
>> of Blind Students for the past two years now, I willingly admit that such
>> conversations are too often reserved for the Board members and committee
>> leaders. I think we forget to poll the membership on these questions 
>> between
>> conventions, which I fear widens a potential gap between the membership 
>> and
>> the leadership. As our nation is called to be one governed by the people, 
>> so
>> our Federation is in essence a people's movement. Thank you for reminding 
>> us
>> to return to this essential principle. With this said, I have spent some
>> time pondering your questions and would like to provide my thoughts and
>> experience.
>>
>> To me, the essence of a division's unity with the wider movement can be
>> found in its close communication with state and national leaders as well 
>> as
>> its support of Federation-wide policies and programs. The NFB Pledge 
>> calls
>> us to "support the programs and policies of the Federation, and to abide 
>> by
>> its Constitution." In the experience of our student division here in
>> Maryland, we began to fall apart when our leadership felt that they could
>> reinvent the wheel and halt the close relationship which used to exist
>> between the student President and the affiliate President. Their goal in
>> doing this was to make the student division its own entity, operating on 
>> its
>> own terms and making its own rules. They thought the division would be 
>> more
>> effective if it was not perceived as operating solely at the whim of the
>> "big wigs" in Baltimore. The result, however, was the opposite of what 
>> these
>> past leaders had hoped for. The members, and ultimately the leaders
>> themselves, became apathetic. Very little events were held and almost no
>> revenue was coming into the treasury. Eventually, the division became
>> completely dependent on the affiliate to remain afloat financially. Even 
>> our
>> bank account was joined with the affiliate's. Only when a new Board led 
>> by a
>> new President were elected did the division begin to grow. This new Board
>> was energetic about our cause, willing to work, and--most 
>> importantly--they
>> were willing to cooperate and communicate with Federation leaders at the
>> state and national levels. Our division President often jokingly tells 
>> the
>> Board that at times it seems like she is on the phone with the affiliate
>> President nearly every day.
>>
>> Over the past few years we have found this close communication with our
>> state and national offices beneficial in the continued growth of our
>> division. It allows us to provide mutual support to each other, as I 
>> believe
>> divisions are meant to do. When the state and national movements launch a
>> new initiative, we can use our resources to support it. In return, the 
>> state
>> and national leaders can use their connections to advertise our 
>> initiatives
>> and fundraisers to more people than we ever could on our own. Moreover,
>> invaluable insights can be gained from such communication. Often we on 
>> the
>> MDABS Board contact our state President with our ideas and ask for advice 
>> on
>> how they can be carried out. I personally and MDABS collectively have 
>> found
>> that the experience of older Federation leaders has been very helpful to 
>> us
>> in planning more effective events and generally growing a stronger
>> organization which remains an integral part of the wider movement.
>>
>> Therefore, I believe that NABS is doing a very good job currently of
>> remaining united with the Federation as a whole while staying true to 
>> that
>> which makes us unique. We have divisions, I believe, to serve the needs 
>> and
>> concerns of those who have a special interest in certain issues which 
>> only
>> effect a certain group of people. NABS, for example, exists to serve the
>> needs of blind students specifically. However, I believe we must remember
>> that we are also, as you so eloquently stated it, a "division in the
>> National Federation of the Blind." This status calls us to maintain
>> communication between our colleagues in the movement who are not 
>> students.
>> It also requires that we honor the pledge we took upon joining this
>> organization: that we would, both personally and collectively, "support 
>> the
>> programs and policies of the Federation." So long as we maintain this 
>> level
>> of communication and mutual support with our fellow Federationists, in my
>> opinion, we will remain on the right track.
>>
>> Yours in the movement,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students: a division in the National
>> Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 11:44 PM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'; 'ctabs at nfbnet.org'; Massachusetts Association of
>> Blind Students List (massabs at nfbnet.org); List for NABS State Presidents
>> (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org); Wisconsin Association of Blind Students 
>> List
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the 
>> Blind
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> It appears that my last letter missed the mark.  The emotions that I 
>> wanted
>> to produce to begin the Justin Salisbury campaign were not what I 
>> achieved.
>> Since the only direction to move is forward, that is where I will go.  In
>> one look back, I sincerely apologize for writing in a way that produced 
>> such
>> a variety of emotions.
>> I want to thank those who have supported me over the years and those who 
>> are
>> supporting me today.  From my very first Federation event, I knew that 
>> this
>> organization would always push and empower me to be the best I can be. I
>> remember being so unsure of my own ability to succeed in math and science 
>> as
>> a blind person and then being approached by a blind engineer and a blind
>> environmental scientist at the end of the banquet. I thought I had 
>> already
>> received the best rehab training and had achieved the pinnacle of
>> mathematical competence as a blind person, which was inherently below 
>> that
>> of a sighted person; boy, was I wrong. They wouldn't let me doubt myself,
>> and they made it clear that I could always find a mentor in the National
>> Federation of the Blind. One of the things that makes our movement so 
>> strong
>> is that you don't have to be the chosen one to seek advice from the best
>> leaders and mentors. I remember thinking that I could not possibly have
>> anything important enough to discuss with Dr. Maurer, and then, I found
>> myself telling him about my boyhood dream of serving in the military. I 
>> have
>> grown out of that shyness one step at a time.  I now seize and treasure 
>> my
>> opportunities to take advice from and bond with some key players in our
>> movement. I do not receive this support because I am uniquely deserving 
>> of
>> it; I receive it because I seek it and seek it with the desire to make 
>> the
>> Federation stronger with it. So far as I know, there is no chosen one for
>> this position until our membership chooses at our business meeting, and I
>> hope that the chosen one will be me.
>> If anyone here has not yet read the June Braille Monitor, I strongly
>> recommend reading the article by the young Marc Maurer, who was then
>> President of the National Association of Blind Students. What I find most
>> appealing is his attention to the purpose and function of a division in 
>> the
>> National Federation of the Blind. While the early NABS would provide
>> advocacy help to anyone desiring it, the primary duty of the division is 
>> to
>> the National Federation of the Blind. It is not to lead the Federation on
>> student initiatives but to advise the Federation on student initiatives 
>> and
>> provide a learning forum. The early NABS existed to inform the entire
>> Federation membership and prepare us all for the effort to help blind
>> students achieve. Instead of looking at NABS as a division of the
>> Federation, we should consider NABS a division IN the Federation. If I am
>> elected President, I understand that I am not going to be the primary 
>> leader
>> of the National Association of Blind Students; the primary leader will be
>> the President of the National Federation of the Blind, and our movement 
>> will
>> be unified.
>> To me, the value of this model is evident. We need to have this kind of
>> NABS. Now, I want to ask questions of our membership and facilitate
>> discussion in order to learn how the membership wants the NABS President 
>> to
>> best serve. How do we want to fulfill this role in the Federation? What 
>> role
>> do our members want to play in achieving this model?
>> I eagerly await every reply.
>>
>> Sincerely yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> president at alumni.ecu.edu<mailto:president at alumni.ecu.edu>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Jun 14 20:16:08 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 16:16:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for one 
thing.
Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college 
students who have them.
The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if we 
want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have jobs.
While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog sit, 
or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills like 
prepping food at a fast food chain.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Amanda via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs



Hi everyone,
Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda

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From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Sat Jun 14 20:31:41 2014
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'Meally)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 16:31:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Asocial opportunity at national convention
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Want to get together with your friends and network in a less formal environment?  Well the Virginia association of Blind Students Would like to Invite you to come and hang out with us at national convention.  The setting? Dennie’s.  Date? July First.  Time? 7 P.M.  Think of this as a time to meet with students from other states and get to know them.  Try to see what other States are up to.  Maybe even make a friend or 30.  If you would like to attend, please email me at 
chris.omeally at gmail.com
or call me at
8046586668
Texting works as well.

Hope to see you there.!8

Christopher O’Meally
VABS Board Member
chris.omeally at gmail.com




From sgermano at asu.edu  Sat Jun 14 22:21:31 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 15:21:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or writes
a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.

On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for one
> thing.
> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
> students who have them.
> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if we
> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have jobs.
> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills like
> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>
>
>
> Hi everyone,
> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Jun 15 00:04:53 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:04:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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This is a great topic. I just got a position as a teaching assistant in a high needs special education class for a summer school program. Before I applied to this position I tried to look in to all kinds of employment that would be appropriate for college students. I found all sorts of opportunities but, when we think what is practical I found myself lacking the ability to complete tasks, even with the qualifications. 
A great example is we can all read and write. It is just that we can not all read and write in print. For this reason some clerical jobs are not the best. 
Did you ever notice, if you apply to some jobs they ask for a valid drivers license. Then, at the end of all the paperwork it says, we are an equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate. I find some of the applications to be ironic. 
I guess the best thing is to look at your field of study or interest. Try and find something related to that field. Internships are great. As of right now employment opportunities at the entry need more access ability in my opinion.  
Bridget  

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 14, 26 Heisei, at 6:21 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
> very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
> small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
> drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or writes
> a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
> they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.
> 
> On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for one
>> thing.
>> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
>> students who have them.
>> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if we
>> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have jobs.
>> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
>> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills like
>> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun 15 00:19:28 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:19:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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If they ask for a driver liscence give them another I'd. My parents told me that before.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is a great topic. I just got a position as a teaching assistant in a high needs special education class for a summer school program. Before I applied to this position I tried to look in to all kinds of employment that would be appropriate for college students. I found all sorts of opportunities but, when we think what is practical I found myself lacking the ability to complete tasks, even with the qualifications. 
> A great example is we can all read and write. It is just that we can not all read and write in print. For this reason some clerical jobs are not the best. 
> Did you ever notice, if you apply to some jobs they ask for a valid drivers license. Then, at the end of all the paperwork it says, we are an equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate. I find some of the applications to be ironic. 
> I guess the best thing is to look at your field of study or interest. Try and find something related to that field. Internships are great. As of right now employment opportunities at the entry need more access ability in my opinion.  
> Bridget  
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 14, 26 Heisei, at 6:21 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
>> very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
>> small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
>> drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or writes
>> a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
>> they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.
>> 
>> On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for one
>>> thing.
>>> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
>>> students who have them.
>>> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if we
>>> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have jobs.
>>> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
>>> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills like
>>> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 00:35:00 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 17:35:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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I think there should be a clearinghouse of all the blind people who've
worked in retail so they can offer advice. There's so much focus on
highlighting blind people in prestigious positions like lawyers,
teachers or marine biologists. But everyone has to start somewhere. I
myself don't personally know any blind people who have worked in
retail, but I imagine there have been and that almost all aspects of
the job could be adapted.

Arielle

On 6/14/14, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If they ask for a driver liscence give them another I'd. My parents told me
> that before.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This is a great topic. I just got a position as a teaching assistant in a
>> high needs special education class for a summer school program. Before I
>> applied to this position I tried to look in to all kinds of employment
>> that would be appropriate for college students. I found all sorts of
>> opportunities but, when we think what is practical I found myself lacking
>> the ability to complete tasks, even with the qualifications.
>> A great example is we can all read and write. It is just that we can not
>> all read and write in print. For this reason some clerical jobs are not
>> the best.
>> Did you ever notice, if you apply to some jobs they ask for a valid
>> drivers license. Then, at the end of all the paperwork it says, we are an
>> equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate. I find some of the
>> applications to be ironic.
>> I guess the best thing is to look at your field of study or interest. Try
>> and find something related to that field. Internships are great. As of
>> right now employment opportunities at the entry need more access ability
>> in my opinion.
>> Bridget
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Jun 14, 26 Heisei, at 6:21 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
>>> very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
>>> small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
>>> drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or
>>> writes
>>> a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
>>> they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for
>>>> one
>>>> thing.
>>>> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
>>>> students who have them.
>>>> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if
>>>> we
>>>> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have
>>>> jobs.
>>>> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
>>>> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills
>>>> like
>>>> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
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From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 01:40:35 2014
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:40:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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You know, I've looked into finding work over the summer, or even part time work during the year as well. For various reasons, including transportation, accessibility, etc. I decided to strike out on my own and start my own business, see my signature below. So far, it's working out pretty well for me considering that I'm a college student and was looking for a little extra income. I hope that you succeed in finding something that works for you. Along with my Scentsy business, see signature, I'll probably also be searching for work in the fall, so let us know how your effort turns out.

Laurel & guide dog Stockard
Scentsy Independent Consultant
https://laurelwheeler.scentsy.us

On Jun 14, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I think there should be a clearinghouse of all the blind people who've
> worked in retail so they can offer advice. There's so much focus on
> highlighting blind people in prestigious positions like lawyers,
> teachers or marine biologists. But everyone has to start somewhere. I
> myself don't personally know any blind people who have worked in
> retail, but I imagine there have been and that almost all aspects of
> the job could be adapted.
> 
> Arielle
> 
> On 6/14/14, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If they ask for a driver liscence give them another I'd. My parents told me
>> that before.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> This is a great topic. I just got a position as a teaching assistant in a
>>> high needs special education class for a summer school program. Before I
>>> applied to this position I tried to look in to all kinds of employment
>>> that would be appropriate for college students. I found all sorts of
>>> opportunities but, when we think what is practical I found myself lacking
>>> the ability to complete tasks, even with the qualifications.
>>> A great example is we can all read and write. It is just that we can not
>>> all read and write in print. For this reason some clerical jobs are not
>>> the best.
>>> Did you ever notice, if you apply to some jobs they ask for a valid
>>> drivers license. Then, at the end of all the paperwork it says, we are an
>>> equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate. I find some of the
>>> applications to be ironic.
>>> I guess the best thing is to look at your field of study or interest. Try
>>> and find something related to that field. Internships are great. As of
>>> right now employment opportunities at the entry need more access ability
>>> in my opinion.
>>> Bridget
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 26 Heisei, at 6:21 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
>>>> very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
>>>> small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
>>>> drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or
>>>> writes
>>>> a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
>>>> they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.
>>>> 
>>>> On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for
>>>>> one
>>>>> thing.
>>>>> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
>>>>> students who have them.
>>>>> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if
>>>>> we
>>>>> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have
>>>>> jobs.
>>>>> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
>>>>> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills
>>>>> like
>>>>> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Ashley
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>>>> bookwormahb%40earthlink.net
>>>>> 
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From laurel.stockard at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 01:41:35 2014
From: laurel.stockard at gmail.com (Laurel and Stockard)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 20:41:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
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I forgot to mention, I also created an FB group for blind people looking for work, y'all privately email me and let me know if you want the link or anything.

Laurel & guide dog Stockard
Scentsy Independent Consultant
https://laurelwheeler.scentsy.us

On Jun 14, 2014, at 8:40 PM, Laurel and Stockard <laurel.stockard at gmail.com> wrote:

> You know, I've looked into finding work over the summer, or even part time work during the year as well. For various reasons, including transportation, accessibility, etc. I decided to strike out on my own and start my own business, see my signature below. So far, it's working out pretty well for me considering that I'm a college student and was looking for a little extra income. I hope that you succeed in finding something that works for you. Along with my Scentsy business, see signature, I'll probably also be searching for work in the fall, so let us know how your effort turns out.
> 
> Laurel & guide dog Stockard
> Scentsy Independent Consultant
> https://laurelwheeler.scentsy.us
> 
> On Jun 14, 2014, at 7:35 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I think there should be a clearinghouse of all the blind people who've
>> worked in retail so they can offer advice. There's so much focus on
>> highlighting blind people in prestigious positions like lawyers,
>> teachers or marine biologists. But everyone has to start somewhere. I
>> myself don't personally know any blind people who have worked in
>> retail, but I imagine there have been and that almost all aspects of
>> the job could be adapted.
>> 
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 6/14/14, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If they ask for a driver liscence give them another I'd. My parents told me
>>> that before.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 8:04 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> This is a great topic. I just got a position as a teaching assistant in a
>>>> high needs special education class for a summer school program. Before I
>>>> applied to this position I tried to look in to all kinds of employment
>>>> that would be appropriate for college students. I found all sorts of
>>>> opportunities but, when we think what is practical I found myself lacking
>>>> the ability to complete tasks, even with the qualifications.
>>>> A great example is we can all read and write. It is just that we can not
>>>> all read and write in print. For this reason some clerical jobs are not
>>>> the best.
>>>> Did you ever notice, if you apply to some jobs they ask for a valid
>>>> drivers license. Then, at the end of all the paperwork it says, we are an
>>>> equal opportunity employer that does not discriminate. I find some of the
>>>> applications to be ironic.
>>>> I guess the best thing is to look at your field of study or interest. Try
>>>> and find something related to that field. Internships are great. As of
>>>> right now employment opportunities at the entry need more access ability
>>>> in my opinion.
>>>> Bridget
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 26 Heisei, at 6:21 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I am a high partial i can read regular print if close enough and I had a
>>>>> very difficult time working at a retail store. I was a part owner of a
>>>>> small sports supplement store. There were many issues. You have to see
>>>>> drivers licenses to verify an id when some one uses a credit card or
>>>>> writes
>>>>> a check. In a small store to not being able to recognize a customer when
>>>>> they came in came in was also an issue. They considered it as rude.
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Saturday, June 14, 2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> stores are a hard job to adapt; you would need a talking register for
>>>>>> one
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> Summer jobs are good to have and I have met few blind youth and college
>>>>>> students who have them.
>>>>>> The younger you work and build credibility and a resume the better. if
>>>>>> we
>>>>>> want to reverse the trend of unemployment we need to get kids to have
>>>>>> jobs.
>>>>>> While you cannot work at a store, maybe you could tutor, baby sit, dog
>>>>>> sit, or do something in a restaurant assuming you have cooking skills
>>>>>> like
>>>>>> prepping food at a fast food chain.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Ashley
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Amanda via nabs-l
>>>>>> Sent: Saturday, June 14, 2014 10:44 AM
>>>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Part time and summer jobs
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>>>> Has anyone ever worked at a store who is totally blind?Amanda
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 03:52:49 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2014 23:52:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Meeting Registration Form
In-Reply-To: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>

Hi All!
I'm surprised that the nabs pre registration form hasn't been posted and 
convention is in almost two weeks. Maybe I missed something, but I don't 
think so. Any updates on this?


From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 05:38:56 2014
From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 01:38:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
Message-ID: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>

Hi All,

I recently found out about an offer from Spotify that ends today, 6-15-14. I understand it is accessible with VoiceOnever and an IOS device, but it is not with Jaws and Windows. Does anyone know if it is accessible with VoiceOver and Mac computers?    

Thank you,
Winona 

trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 

"Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 06:02:43 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
References: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
	<1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>

Hi Mikayla. How are you? my cell phone number and my email address are located in my email signature that is below! However, just to let you know, I'm actually going to attend the National Convention, but I'm only going to be there for three days only. I'm going to be there from Thursday, July 3 through Saturday, July 6. So I'm going to stay all day Saturday, and I'm going to leave on Sunday morning! This is actually my plan since I'm going with my family, but I really don't know if it could change!   Could you     let me know if you have receive this message? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Mikayla:
> 
> Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> Cell: (443) 547-2409
> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.
> 
> I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 06:11:03 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 02:11:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
References: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
	<1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
	<54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <357A3793-208B-4F23-B7B3-F5A86E4E9355@gmail.com>

By the way, Mkayla,   I look forward in talking to you at the convention as well!! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mikayla. How are you? my cell phone number and my email address are located in my email signature that is below! However, just to let you know, I'm actually going to attend the National Convention, but I'm only going to be there for three days only. I'm going to be there from Thursday, July 3 through Saturday, July 6. So I'm going to stay all day Saturday, and I'm going to leave on Sunday morning! This is actually my plan since I'm going with my family, but I really don't know if it could change!   Could you     let me know if you have receive this message? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Mikayla:
>> 
>> Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> Cell: (443) 547-2409
>> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.
>> 
>> I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>> 
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com


From kathrynwebster at me.com  Sun Jun 15 08:07:19 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 04:07:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
In-Reply-To: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
References: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <980776F4-FF54-4420-A788-348749A7A7C5@me.com>

Good morning :)
It is accessible with voice over, but I haven't tried it on my Mac.
Hope this helps.
Kathryn 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently found out about an offer from Spotify that ends today, 6-15-14. I understand it is accessible with VoiceOnever and an IOS device, but it is not with Jaws and Windows. Does anyone know if it is accessible with VoiceOver and Mac computers?    
> 
> Thank you,
> Winona 
> 
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 
> 
> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kathrynwebster%40me.com


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun 15 14:42:40 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:42:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Meeting Registration Form
In-Reply-To: <539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
	<539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCD10E59-237A-40D9-A3D0-2F7B43FEAC0A@icloud.com>

It is on the site nabs link.org

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 14, 2014, at 11:52 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All!
> I'm surprised that the nabs pre registration form hasn't been posted and convention is in almost two weeks. Maybe I missed something, but I don't think so. Any updates on this?
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun 15 14:43:46 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 10:43:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
References: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
	<1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
	<54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B52B9FBD-CBCF-43D1-AFD0-AECDB7AD355D@icloud.com>

Got it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Mikayla. How are you? my cell phone number and my email address are located in my email signature that is below! However, just to let you know, I'm actually going to attend the National Convention, but I'm only going to be there for three days only. I'm going to be there from Thursday, July 3 through Saturday, July 6. So I'm going to stay all day Saturday, and I'm going to leave on Sunday morning! This is actually my plan since I'm going with my family, but I really don't know if it could change!   Could you     let me know if you have receive this message? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
> 
>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Mikayla:
>> 
>> Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> Cell: (443) 547-2409
>> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.
>> 
>> I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi
>>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com


From braillegurl at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 16:01:45 2014
From: braillegurl at gmail.com (Jessica)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:01:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
In-Reply-To: <B52B9FBD-CBCF-43D1-AFD0-AECDB7AD355D@icloud.com>
References: <DCC6B7DE-FA0F-4FE8-9DED-FD33CC9E9C53@icloud.com>
	<1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
	<54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
	<B52B9FBD-CBCF-43D1-AFD0-AECDB7AD355D@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <B4C506D3-7FBC-4C5D-AA62-4EE01D647E3A@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Got it
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mikayla. How are you? my cell phone number and my email address are located in my email signature that is below! However, just to let you know, I'm actually going to attend the National Convention, but I'm only going to be there for three days only. I'm going to be there from Thursday, July 3 through Saturday, July 6. So I'm going to stay all day Saturday, and I'm going to leave on Sunday morning! This is actually my plan since I'm going with my family, but I really don't know if it could change!   Could you     let me know if you have receive this message? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>> Sent from my iPhone 
>> 
>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Mikayla:
>>> 
>>> Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>> Cell: (443) 547-2409
>>> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.
>>> 
>>> I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi
>>>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dotkid.nusbaum%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/helga.schreiber26%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillegurl%40gmail.hey mikayla my name is Jessica scannell and I am attending convention this summer!n
! My cell number is 201–7 04–7952. My email address is braillegurl at gmail.com I look forward to meeting you and everyone on this list! Can you email me back so I know you got my info? Thanks I would greatly appreciate if you could do

From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 17:48:23 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 13:48:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Meeting Registration Form
In-Reply-To: <DCD10E59-237A-40D9-A3D0-2F7B43FEAC0A@icloud.com>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
	<539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>
	<DCD10E59-237A-40D9-A3D0-2F7B43FEAC0A@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4Ha9pJ4WBwLjxrOMQAdiKTHNZcXopOmJkJK3fh90H5mw@mail.gmail.com>

That is incorrect Mikayla, Please provide the exact link or attach the file
appropriately.


On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> It is on the site nabs link.org
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 14, 2014, at 11:52 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hi All!
> > I'm surprised that the nabs pre registration form hasn't been posted and
> convention is in almost two weeks. Maybe I missed something, but I don't
> think so. Any updates on this?
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> >
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com
>
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>

From haleysumner at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun 15 17:52:26 2014
From: haleysumner at sbcglobal.net (Haley Sumnerr)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 13:52:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Meeting Registration Form
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e4Ha9pJ4WBwLjxrOMQAdiKTHNZcXopOmJkJK3fh90H5mw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
	<539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>
	<DCD10E59-237A-40D9-A3D0-2F7B43FEAC0A@icloud.com>
	<CAKMC2e4Ha9pJ4WBwLjxrOMQAdiKTHNZcXopOmJkJK3fh90H5mw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <15BBB6B8-91A5-4188-AE45-7BB737D76E8B@sbcglobal.net>

Nabslink.org. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:48 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> That is incorrect Mikayla, Please provide the exact link or attach the file
> appropriately.
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> It is on the site nabs link.org
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 11:52 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi All!
>>> I'm surprised that the nabs pre registration form hasn't been posted and
>> convention is in almost two weeks. Maybe I missed something, but I don't
>> think so. Any updates on this?
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun 15 18:02:06 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:02:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Meeting Registration Form
In-Reply-To: <15BBB6B8-91A5-4188-AE45-7BB737D76E8B@sbcglobal.net>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
	<539D1891.1080907@gmail.com>
	<DCD10E59-237A-40D9-A3D0-2F7B43FEAC0A@icloud.com>
	<CAKMC2e4Ha9pJ4WBwLjxrOMQAdiKTHNZcXopOmJkJK3fh90H5mw@mail.gmail.com>
	<15BBB6B8-91A5-4188-AE45-7BB737D76E8B@sbcglobal.net>
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Sorry about that!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:52 PM, Haley Sumnerr <haleysumner at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Nabslink.org. 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:48 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> That is incorrect Mikayla, Please provide the exact link or attach the file
>> appropriately.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, Jun 15, 2014 at 10:42 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>> It is on the site nabs link.org
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 11:52 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All!
>>>> I'm surprised that the nabs pre registration form hasn't been posted and
>>> convention is in almost two weeks. Maybe I missed something, but I don't
>>> think so. Any updates on this?
>>>> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:22:32 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 12:22:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cellphones for people going to convention
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	<1161F9CF-323D-4AF2-A11D-683195199A52@gmail.com>
	<54719296-BDA2-4988-BC23-7D2B285EF70D@gmail.com>
	<B52B9FBD-CBCF-43D1-AFD0-AECDB7AD355D@icloud.com>
	<B4C506D3-7FBC-4C5D-AA62-4EE01D647E3A@gmail.com>
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Hi Jessica, your message did not come through.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:01, Jessica via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 10:43 AM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Got it
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:02 AM, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mikayla. How are you? my cell phone number and my email address are located in my email signature that is below! However, just to let you know, I'm actually going to attend the National Convention, but I'm only going to be there for three days only. I'm going to be there from Thursday, July 3 through Saturday, July 6. So I'm going to stay all day Saturday, and I'm going to leave on Sunday morning! This is actually my plan since I'm going with my family, but I really don't know if it could change!   Could you     let me know if you have receive this message? I will really appreciate it. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!! :) 
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>>> 
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students
>>> 
>>> Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
>>> Sent from my iPhone 
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 4:09 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Mikayla:
>>>> 
>>>> Here's my info—feel free to look me up in Orlando.
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>> Cell: (443) 547-2409
>>>> Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com.
>>>> 
>>>> I look forward to meeting you and many others on the list at convention. 
>>>> 
>>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 14, 2014, at 12:38 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi
>>>>> I am compiling a list of everyone who is attending covention and their numbers and emails. Can you please send me this info by Tuesday? I will send this info to whoever gives me this me the info,?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/braillegurl%40gmail.hey mikayla my name is Jessica scannell and I am attending convention this summer!n
> ! My cell number is 201–7 04–7952. My email address is braillegurl at gmail.com I look forward to meeting you and everyone on this list! Can you email me back so I know you got my info? Thanks I would greatly appreciate if you could do
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:31:50 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:31:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NABS Annual Meeting 2014: Preregister, Come Early,
	and Win Prizes!
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS191DF3B4C91B1B8D570A603BA170@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

 

I do not see a link when I visit the website, so I thought I would forward the following message which contains information for pre-registering for the NABS annual business meeting to take place at national convention.

 

Warm regards,

Elizabeth

 

From: National Association of Blind Students [mailto:nabs at nabslink.org] 
Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:10 PM
Subject: NABS Annual Meeting 2014: Preregister, Come Early, and Win Prizes! 

 

Greetings!

 

We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Wednesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there!

 

Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fabulous prize!

 

Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So,visit the pre-registration form and simplify your life! If you know a friend who might want to preregister as well, please share only the following link with them, http://nabslink.org/events/2014-annual-meeting <http://www.nabslink.org/drupal/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=82&qid=11030> . The first link is special only to you, and we'd hate to have your friend accidentally replace your contact information with their's.

 

And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool.

 

The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future.

 

Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns.

 

We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida!

 

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147



nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:nabs.president at gmail.com>  

www.nabslink.org <http://www.nabslink.org/drupal/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=83&qid=11030>  

 


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 15 18:38:11 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:38:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
In-Reply-To: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
References: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F42A21C70ED04392B4AD584A87FB60A6@OwnerPC>

hi,
I wish that it was accessible with jaws so we can play it on our laptops.
Has anyone raised that concern with the company?

Hope someone helps with the mac question; but my guess would be it works 
with voice over
on a mac.
-----Original Message----- 
From: Winona Brackett via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:38 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify

Hi All,

I recently found out about an offer from Spotify that ends today, 6-15-14. I 
understand it is accessible with VoiceOnever and an IOS device, but it is 
not with Jaws and Windows. Does anyone know if it is accessible with 
VoiceOver and Mac computers?

Thank you,
Winona

trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com

"Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. 
Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 18:48:20 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:48:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
In-Reply-To: <F42A21C70ED04392B4AD584A87FB60A6@OwnerPC>
References: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
	<F42A21C70ED04392B4AD584A87FB60A6@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <B52F5162-430E-4D90-83D8-821CF345E35E@gmail.com>

Hi,
Spotify is not very good on a Mac with VoiceOver, but the app is excellent. To use Spotify with Jaws, Do It Blind has scripts which cost 9.99, and which make the program usable on a Windows machine. The scripts aren’t perfect, but they work well enough. I’m a music junky, and a Spotify subscription was too good to pass up, so I highly recommend it, particularly as using it on the iPhone just cleared up all the space I was taking up in storing music in it. Oh, and the scripts are a one time fee which includes any updates. I recommend that you at least take advantage of the Spotify offer and see how you feel at the end of the two months or however long they’re giving you a subscription for. 

Mary F
On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:38 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> hi,
> I wish that it was accessible with jaws so we can play it on our laptops.
> Has anyone raised that concern with the company?
> 
> Hope someone helps with the mac question; but my guess would be it works with voice over
> on a mac.
> -----Original Message----- From: Winona Brackett via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 1:38 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently found out about an offer from Spotify that ends today, 6-15-14. I understand it is accessible with VoiceOnever and an IOS device, but it is not with Jaws and Windows. Does anyone know if it is accessible with VoiceOver and Mac computers?
> 
> Thank you,
> Winona
> 
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
> 
> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Jun 15 19:01:24 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:01:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NABS Annual Meeting 2014: Preregister, Come Early,
 and Win Prizes!
In-Reply-To: <COL402-EAS191DF3B4C91B1B8D570A603BA170@phx.gbl>
References: <COL402-EAS191DF3B4C91B1B8D570A603BA170@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <644A9D25-7707-48DF-84DE-9FE07F171CCC@icloud.com>

I do not know how I found it

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> 
> 
> I do not see a link when I visit the website, so I thought I would forward the following message which contains information for pre-registering for the NABS annual business meeting to take place at national convention.
> 
> 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> From: National Association of Blind Students [mailto:nabs at nabslink.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 6:10 PM
> Subject: NABS Annual Meeting 2014: Preregister, Come Early, and Win Prizes! 
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings!
> 
> 
> 
> We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Wednesday, July 2 in the Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre. NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there!
> 
> 
> 
> Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for grabs. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early, chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of walking out of the meeting with a fabulous prize!
> 
> 
> 
> Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in. Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able to skip providing all their contact info. So,visit the pre-registration form and simplify your life! If you know a friend who might want to preregister as well, please share only the following link with them, http://nabslink.org/events/2014-annual-meeting <http://www.nabslink.org/drupal/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=82&qid=11030> . The first link is special only to you, and we'd hate to have your friend accidentally replace your contact information with their's.
> 
> 
> 
> And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too will be double entered into the door prize pool.
> 
> 
> 
> The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated in the near future.
> 
> 
> 
> Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns.
> 
> 
> 
> We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida!
> 
> 
> 
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> (608) 332-4147
> 
> 
> 
> nabs.president at gmail.com <mailto:nabs.president at gmail.com>  
> 
> www.nabslink.org <http://www.nabslink.org/drupal/sites/all/modules/civicrm/extern/url.php?u=83&qid=11030>  
> 
> 
> 
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From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 19:17:46 2014
From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:17:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Spotify
In-Reply-To: <980776F4-FF54-4420-A788-348749A7A7C5@me.com>
References: <8484CF2F-B975-4C3D-ACFA-2E577B57BFE6@gmail.com>
	<980776F4-FF54-4420-A788-348749A7A7C5@me.com>
Message-ID: <C336243E-6243-45B2-AD65-BD4DF8D42DF7@gmail.com>

Where do you get the JAWS scripts? 

Winona 

trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 

"Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:07 AM, Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster at me.com> wrote:
> 
> Good morning :)
> It is accessible with voice over, but I haven't tried it on my Mac.
> Hope this helps.
> Kathryn 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 1:38 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I recently found out about an offer from Spotify that ends today, 6-15-14. I understand it is accessible with VoiceOnever and an IOS device, but it is not with Jaws and Windows. Does anyone know if it is accessible with VoiceOver and Mac computers?    
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Winona 
>> 
>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 
>> 
>> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 20:22:28 2014
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:22:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
Message-ID: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>

I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 

Anna E Givens

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 20:35:57 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 14:35:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <31A96939-1809-40ED-80DB-FE03E3A46B55@gmail.com>

Hi sweet Anna, pages.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 14:22, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sun Jun 15 20:37:12 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 16:37:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2942C056-5E9A-4B41-9D96-D54E016474C2@me.com>

Hi Anna.
What are you having problems with? Voiceover works fine with the notes app over here.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 4
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 21:14:51 2014
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (Johnnie Jean Duran)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 15:14:51 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82BF0DE2-FB27-4CEE-A78C-C7B79DBF94E4@gmail.com>

Notability works well

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 2:22 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:24:29 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:24:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
Message-ID: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>

This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people 
realize that there are already lots of money identifiers out 
there. HeyTell is an iPhone app that does this, and it's never 
failed me. There is also a device that I believe is called an 
iBill. Is there something special about the roll call program 
that sets it apart from other money identifiers?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming


Roll Call



Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind

By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11



While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 
bill,
they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The
government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.



The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute 
between
100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others 
who
are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the 
bureau in
written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee 
hearing today.



In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office 
described
the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking 
the
denomination of a bill out loud."



The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to 
currency.



"We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the 
program
out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint 
development
and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in 
his
statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the 
blind
and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to 
develop
the readers.









         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org


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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Sun Jun 15 22:47:51 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:47:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <826E07C4-DF8A-4A46-BE96-7F1B156C47CC@gmail.com>

Hi Anna

Notes should work pretty well with Voiceover; I’ve never had a problem with it, but if you’re going to take notes for school, I would recommend you use Pages, which is Apple’s Word Processor.  I believe it’s $4 on the App Store, but the price may have gone up.  Anything you do on Pages will be saved in the cloud and you can save it as a Microsoft Word file so you can open it on a PC if need be.  If you’re going to take lengthy notes (like for a class), I would recommend using a bluetooth keyboard or bluetooth braille display, because touch typing for an hour-long class would be extremely time-consuming, not to mention tedious.  I hope this helps.


Ryan L. Silveira
Corresponding Secretary
Ohio Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind, 
(203) 731-7580
ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com

On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
> 
> Anna E Givens
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Jun 15 23:57:13 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 18:57:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <000001cf88f5$87b7abc0$97270340$@mediacombb.net>

What is special about is that it gets the government out of trouble with
that court ruling several years ago that says our money must be identifiable
by everyone.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 5:24 PM
To: David Andrews; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming

This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that
there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an iPhone
app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a device that I
believe is called an iBill. Is there something special about the roll call
program that sets it apart from other money identifiers?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming


Roll Call



Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind

By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11



While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill, they
might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The government is
ready to do something about that challenge, though.



The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute 
between
100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others 
who
are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the 
bureau in
written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee 
hearing today.



In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office 
described
the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking 
the
denomination of a bill out loud."



The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to 
currency.



"We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the 
program
out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint 
development
and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in 
his
statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the 
blind
and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to 
develop
the readers.









         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org


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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 00:09:36 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 19:09:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3B67A416-17C7-4472-A051-8EC5C268A8C1@gmail.com>

I believe you mean LookTell. :) that is a good app. I want to know how cost effective this will be? Even though we would get them free, I bet these devices cost a lot of money. Besides, we've gotten by with folding our money for years. Just my thoughts.
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an iPhone app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a device that I believe is called an iBill. Is there something special about the roll call program that sets it apart from other money identifiers?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
> 
> 
> Roll Call
> 
> 
> 
> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
> 
> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
> 
> 
> 
> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill,
> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The
> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
> 
> 
> 
> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who
> are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in
> written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing today.
> 
> 
> 
> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described
> the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the
> denomination of a bill out loud."
> 
> 
> 
> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
> court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
> provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to currency.
> 
> 
> 
> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program
> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development
> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his
> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind
> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop
> the readers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun 16 00:42:19 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:42:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <826E07C4-DF8A-4A46-BE96-7F1B156C47CC@gmail.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
	<826E07C4-DF8A-4A46-BE96-7F1B156C47CC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1492DFB0-9D95-4E23-B1FF-2B7F3783710D@me.com>

Hi Ryan and Anna.
Pages is $10 on the US app store.
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 4
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Anna
> 
> Notes should work pretty well with Voiceover; I’ve never had a problem with it, but if you’re going to take notes for school, I would recommend you use Pages, which is Apple’s Word Processor.  I believe it’s $4 on the App Store, but the price may have gone up.  Anything you do on Pages will be saved in the cloud and you can save it as a Microsoft Word file so you can open it on a PC if need be.  If you’re going to take lengthy notes (like for a class), I would recommend using a bluetooth keyboard or bluetooth braille display, because touch typing for an hour-long class would be extremely time-consuming, not to mention tedious.  I hope this helps.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
> Corresponding Secretary
> Ohio Association of Blind Students
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind, 
> (203) 731-7580
> ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
> 
> On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> _______________________________________________
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun 16 00:43:02 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:43:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <57000377-A282-412D-BDE7-4640C7C34378@me.com>

I think you mean LookTell. :) That app is great. I love it because I can use both Canadian and American money and know what it is. Canadian money is already identifiable, but US is not.
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 4
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an iPhone app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a device that I believe is called an iBill. Is there something special about the roll call program that sets it apart from other money identifiers?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
> 
> 
> Roll Call
> 
> 
> 
> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
> 
> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
> 
> 
> 
> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill,
> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The
> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
> 
> 
> 
> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who
> are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in
> written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing today.
> 
> 
> 
> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described
> the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the
> denomination of a bill out loud."
> 
> 
> 
> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
> court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
> provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to currency.
> 
> 
> 
> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program
> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development
> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his
> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind
> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop
> the readers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 16 00:50:59 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 20:50:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <57000377-A282-412D-BDE7-4640C7C34378@me.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
	<57000377-A282-412D-BDE7-4640C7C34378@me.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS400B76EDFE99EB8649FA1B2BA160@phx.gbl>

Hi Mathew,

How does Canada make its money identifiable? I have never seen any Canadian
bills, but last I knew, the coins looked and felt similar to those here in
the United Sates. I am curious as to what the Canadian bills look like.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Dierckens via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 15, 2014 8:43 PM
To: Sophie Trist; National Association Of Blind Students Mailing List
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming

I think you mean LookTell. :) That app is great. I love it because I can use
both Canadian and American money and know what it is. Canadian money is
already identifiable, but US is not.
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 4
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that
there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an iPhone
app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a device that I
believe is called an iBill. Is there something special about the roll call
program that sets it apart from other money identifiers?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
> 
> 
> Roll Call
> 
> 
> 
> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
> 
> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
> 
> 
> 
> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill, 
> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The 
> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
> 
> 
> 
> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who are 
> visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in 
> written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing today.
> 
> 
> 
> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described 
> the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the 
> denomination of a bill out loud."
> 
> 
> 
> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a court 
> ruling several years ago that directed the department to provide the 
> blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to currency.
> 
> 
> 
> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program 
> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development 
> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his 
> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind 
> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop 
> the readers.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>        David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 00:58:46 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 17:58:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Annual Meeting 2014: Preregister, Come Early,
	and Win Prizes!
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzzbmU21Bt-8JKB8hF4hew4bPwEZoUj0e+HwCcxV_1kPg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings!

 We are excited to announce that NABS will be holding our annual
 seminar and business meeting at 7:00pm on Wednesday, July 2 in the
 Junior Ballroom F, located on the first level of the Rosen Centre.
 NABS is optimistic that this will be an informative, empowering and
 entertaining gathering, and we would love to see you there!

 Registration for the meeting will open at 6:00pm, and the meeting will
 begin promptly at 7:00. We strongly encourage you to come and register
 early. This year's agenda is packed, and we don't want you to miss out
 on any of the exciting and engaging presentations slated for the
 meeting. To encourage you to come a bit early, we will be entering
 everybody who is registered by 6:30 (not in line to register, but
 actually through the line and in the ballroom) into the door prize
 pool twice rather than once. So, you say, what's the big deal? Well my
 friends, the big deal is that we have excellent door prizes up for
 grabs. We will also be playing a variety of music in the meeting room
 during registration for your listening pleasure. So, come out early,
 chat with fellow students while waiting, and double your odds of
 walking out of the meeting with a fabulous prize!

 Do you want to avoid that long registration line? Well, ask, and you
 shall receive. Thanks to the NABS website team, the NABS board is
 pleased to offer you the option of preregistering for the meeting. If
 you opt to do so, you will only need to provide your name or email
 address on meeting day, pay to register, and walk right in.
 Preregistrants will have their own faster-moving line and will be able
 to skip providing all their contact info. So, visit the
 preregistration form and simplify your life!

http://nabslink.org/events/2014-annual-meeting

 And, don't worry, as long as you are through the line by 6:30, you too
 will be double entered into the door prize pool.

 The agenda for the meeting is nearly finalized, and will be circulated
 in the near future.

 Please feel encouraged to be in touch with any questions, comments or concerns.

 We look forward to seeing many of you in Orlando, Florida!

 Sean Whalen
  President, National Association of Blind Students
 (608) 332-4147
nabs.president at gmail.com www.nabslink.org

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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 02:57:27 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Sun, 15 Jun 2014 21:57:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Notes app
In-Reply-To: <1492DFB0-9D95-4E23-B1FF-2B7F3783710D@me.com>
References: <E4DAF860-CB62-4F1F-9F49-054E1F878F0A@gmail.com>
	<826E07C4-DF8A-4A46-BE96-7F1B156C47CC@gmail.com>
	<1492DFB0-9D95-4E23-B1FF-2B7F3783710D@me.com>
Message-ID: <87C1CE60-8254-4D1A-9F09-06043F59113D@gmail.com>

Actually that depends on how recently the iPhone was purchased. When the iPhone 5C and 5S came out, pages, numbers, and Keynote came free with the purchase of a new iOS device.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 15, 2014, at 7:42 PM, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ryan and Anna.
> Pages is $10 on the US app store.
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670, extension 4
> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
> Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
> http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 6:47 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Anna
>> 
>> Notes should work pretty well with Voiceover; I’ve never had a problem with it, but if you’re going to take notes for school, I would recommend you use Pages, which is Apple’s Word Processor.  I believe it’s $4 on the App Store, but the price may have gone up.  Anything you do on Pages will be saved in the cloud and you can save it as a Microsoft Word file so you can open it on a PC if need be.  If you’re going to take lengthy notes (like for a class), I would recommend using a bluetooth keyboard or bluetooth braille display, because touch typing for an hour-long class would be extremely time-consuming, not to mention tedious.  I hope this helps.
>> 
>> 
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind, 
>> (203) 731-7580
>> ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>> 
>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 4:22 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I am wondering which app I can get on my iPhone to take notes. I am trying to use the Notes app that comes on the phone but voice over does not seem to work 100% with it. Any ideas? 
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Mon Jun 16 05:38:38 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 05:38:38 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division IN the National Federation of the
	Blind
Message-ID: <0aa5529e876040ef917a41c1e2fe91cd@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

I would like to reply to a couple of people here.  I very much appreciate the discussion so far.

To Jimmy:

I am sorry to hear that you are struggling to connect with Shafeka.  For what it's worth, I have always been able to get in touch with her when I have needed her. If you'd like to work on that privately with me, Mikayla, or maybe Joe Ruffalo, I'm sure we can find solutions.  I think a lot of Shafeka and hope that nobody got the wrong idea from the message.  I have seen some great student seminar and leadership summit work from the New Jersey Association of Blind Students in the past few years and hope that you can be a part of our continuance and growth.

To Chris Nusbaum:

You wrote a beautiful and thoughtful message.  It looks clear to me that the Maryland Association of Blind Students is functioning the way it should, with strong ties to state and national leadership.  I find it refreshing to read your articulation of the transformation, and it is quite similar to the transformation that I want to see in NABS nationally.  Since you are so well-versed in this transformation and the ideal functioning of a student division, I think it would be really helpful to have you or someone else from Maryland join the NABS board to help in our upcoming transformation.  I dream that, one day, all student divisions will function this way, including the National Association of Blind Students.

Recently, the National Federation of the Blind of Wisconsin held meetings with state legislators in Madison to advocate for the Blind Person's Right to Parent Act.  One of our state senators argued that nobody would ever take children away from blind parents.  He insisted that everyone in Wisconsin knew that blindness would not prevent someone from being a good parent and gave a speech outlining the capacity of the blind.  We were so grateful that he understood the capacity of the blind, but, in order to achieve the improvements we needed, we had to convince him how truly valuable his understanding of blindness actually was.

You are so right in your understanding of what does not work for student divisions (trying to reinvent the wheel without desiring a strong connection with our national leadership) and how to get to a better place.  I need you on my team.

When I was serving as NABS rep at a recent state convention, I explained to the convention assembled how NABS played an unusual role in the Federation in that we took our direction not from the National Federation of the Blind leadership core, but from within our own membership.  I remember myself explaining it in an objective way without alarm because I had come to accept that this was just how NABS functioned.  I was not announcing it publicly, but I had been planning to quietly shift my involvement out of NABS and into other areas of the Federation-ones that had stronger ties to the core leadership of the National Federation of the Blind. Those close relationships with our core leadership are important, and I want NABS to have a strong relationship with our core leadership.

To Ashley:

I am sorry to hear that VABS is not functioning the way that you would like VABS to function.  I am sure that Chris, Sarah, Kim, V, Kierra, and Fred will work with you to strengthen VABS if you want to have a hand in it.  I invite you to drive the change you want just as I wish to do.  Perhaps VABS can take some time on a future conference call to flush out the needs and chart future priorities.

Thank you all for the discussion so far.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 13:37:08 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 09:37:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <3B67A416-17C7-4472-A051-8EC5C268A8C1@gmail.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
	<3B67A416-17C7-4472-A051-8EC5C268A8C1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A38BE98E-50E8-4EDE-8F27-F024F401D7CE@gmail.com>

The other difference is that it makes money identifiers affordable to those who do not use smart phones. Unless the price has dropped, the iBill was around $99. 

On Jun 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I believe you mean LookTell. :) that is a good app. I want to know how cost effective this will be? Even though we would get them free, I bet these devices cost a lot of money. Besides, we've gotten by with folding our money for years. Just my thoughts.
> Alyssa 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an iPhone app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a device that I believe is called an iBill. Is there something special about the roll call program that sets it apart from other money identifiers?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
>> 
>> 
>> Roll Call
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
>> 
>> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill,
>> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The
>> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
>> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who
>> are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in
>> written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing today.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described
>> the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the
>> denomination of a bill out loud."
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
>> court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
>> provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to currency.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program
>> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development
>> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his
>> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind
>> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop
>> the readers.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>       David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>> 
>> 
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 14:17:49 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 10:17:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum reminder
Message-ID: <CADit0-sFn-wHC6ZYKV6ynVqLPpY_Yr9zTqVi=CoH6WV6Bzkt6g@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all,
With conventions two weeks away, I will be organizing the candidates
forum very quickly. In order to put together the questions most
effectively, I need to hear from candidates as soon as possible. So
far I've heard from one person who is intending to run for president,
a couple of other board members. If you are planning to run for any
position, particularly president by name, please contact me by
tomorrow at 5 pm. I will be putting up the survey tomorrow evening.
I WILL NOT be contacting anyone individually asking if you are going
to run, so if you do not contact me, I'll assume that you do not want
to participate.
Thanks to everyone whose taken the time to send me suggestions and
offers of help! I may be taking some of you on for help. Thank you
again, and lets make this a good election!
Again, contact me via email at trillian551 at gmail.com



-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jun 16 20:24:12 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:24:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum reminder
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-sFn-wHC6ZYKV6ynVqLPpY_Yr9zTqVi=CoH6WV6Bzkt6g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-sFn-wHC6ZYKV6ynVqLPpY_Yr9zTqVi=CoH6WV6Bzkt6g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F7ACA2C9-05D2-4CC0-B176-B90D1F0D5AA3@icloud.com>

Are you going to convention?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning all,
> With conventions two weeks away, I will be organizing the candidates
> forum very quickly. In order to put together the questions most
> effectively, I need to hear from candidates as soon as possible. So
> far I've heard from one person who is intending to run for president,
> a couple of other board members. If you are planning to run for any
> position, particularly president by name, please contact me by
> tomorrow at 5 pm. I will be putting up the survey tomorrow evening.
> I WILL NOT be contacting anyone individually asking if you are going
> to run, so if you do not contact me, I'll assume that you do not want
> to participate.
> Thanks to everyone whose taken the time to send me suggestions and
> offers of help! I may be taking some of you on for help. Thank you
> again, and lets make this a good election!
> Again, contact me via email at trillian551 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Jun 16 20:28:02 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 16:28:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum reminder
In-Reply-To: <F7ACA2C9-05D2-4CC0-B176-B90D1F0D5AA3@icloud.com>
References: <CADit0-sFn-wHC6ZYKV6ynVqLPpY_Yr9zTqVi=CoH6WV6Bzkt6g@mail.gmail.com>
	<F7ACA2C9-05D2-4CC0-B176-B90D1F0D5AA3@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <A48B0FCA-18D4-4995-8134-6BD4564B4ADB@icloud.com>

I am so sorry! That was not meant for the list!

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 4:24 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Are you going to convention?
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:17 AM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning all,
>> With conventions two weeks away, I will be organizing the candidates
>> forum very quickly. In order to put together the questions most
>> effectively, I need to hear from candidates as soon as possible. So
>> far I've heard from one person who is intending to run for president,
>> a couple of other board members. If you are planning to run for any
>> position, particularly president by name, please contact me by
>> tomorrow at 5 pm. I will be putting up the survey tomorrow evening.
>> I WILL NOT be contacting anyone individually asking if you are going
>> to run, so if you do not contact me, I'll assume that you do not want
>> to participate.
>> Thanks to everyone whose taken the time to send me suggestions and
>> offers of help! I may be taking some of you on for help. Thank you
>> again, and lets make this a good election!
>> Again, contact me via email at trillian551 at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>> feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 21:05:30 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 14:05:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking more participants for employment research study
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDksmBb4SDBMCGiCL5dF9v77N5fM2ua+-HBx=7oHZ+uRA@mail.gmail.com>

Dear list,
My name is Arielle Silverman, and I just completed a doctorate in
psychology at the University of Colorado at Boulder. My advisor, Dr.
Geoffrey Cohen, and I are collectingsome additional data to round out
our study investigating blind and visually impaired adults’
experiences with preparing for and getting employment. We are looking
for legally blind adults over the age of 18 who live in the United
States and who are currently seeking employment, as well as high
school and college seniors and graduate students who plan to graduate
by December 2014, to participate in our study.
This study consists of three phases, which you will complete entirely
online. During the first phase, you will answer some questions about
your background, attitudes and personal experiences, and will write a
short essay about a personally significant event. This session will
last for about 45 minutes. Then, you will be asked to fill out a brief
questionnaire every night for the next seven days, describing your
experiences and things you did during the day. Each of these should
take about 10 minutes. Finally, about a month from now, you will fill
out another online survey similar to the first one, which should take
about half an hour. In exchange for your participation, you will
receive three $10 gift certificates to a merchant of your choice
(either Amazon.com, Itunes.com, Olive Garden Restaurant, or AMC
Theaters), one for each phase of the study.
To be eligible to participate, you must be:
(1) a legally blind adult aged 18 or older living in the United
States; and either
(2) currently seeking a long-term job, or
(3) a student planning to graduate by December 2014 and then planning
to seek employment after graduation. High school, college and graduate
students are all eligible, as long as you intend to seek employment
immediately after graduating.

To complete the first part of the study and receive your first $10
gift certificate, please go to:
http://ucsas.qualtrics.com/SE/?SID=SV_1OdonrYSXxrepfL
Or, if you would prefer, you may email me at
Arielle.silverman at colorado.edu
To request a text version of the initial survey.
If you are not eligible to participate yourself, we would appreciate
it if you could forward this announcement to anyone you know who is
eligible and who might be interested.
If you have any questions before, during or after the study, feel free
to contact me at
Arielle.silverman at colorado.edu
You may also contact Dr. Geoffrey Cohen at
Cohen.geoff at gmail.com

Thank you in advance for your participation in our research.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 16 22:22:37 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 15:22:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <A38BE98E-50E8-4EDE-8F27-F024F401D7CE@gmail.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>
	<3B67A416-17C7-4472-A051-8EC5C268A8C1@gmail.com>
	<A38BE98E-50E8-4EDE-8F27-F024F401D7CE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCNVRT4xvA1ipQgjg=M88sQWkOT+Q0M8YQau7G5Um9dnw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I'm glad that the treasury is working on making money access
affordable, but I'm a little skeptical that using money readers is the
best way to do that. My main concern is the amount of technical skill
required, especially for folks who are less tech-savvy. While I have
not tried money-reading apps yet, I have terrible camera aim, so I've
never had much success with OCR mobile apps. I think my camera aim is
worse than most blind people's, but I suspect I'm not the only one
with this problem. How much aiming precision is needed to get an
accurate read on a bill? I'm also concerned about how long it takes
for a reader to ID a bill and whether that time lag is prohibitive for
blind people attempting to work as cashiers, bank tellers etc. I agree
with others that accessible money isn't really a necessity for
ordinary customer transactions, but I support making money accessible
if it would help open up more retail-level jobs to blind people. So
would a money reader really be practical in the workplace? Finally, it
seems to me that making bills of different sizes and textures might
cost less than producing these money readers, but I could be wrong
about that. I suspect, though, that making the bills different sizes
or textures would work better for people who are less tech-savvy or
who have to turn over a lot of money quickly. These are just my
thoughts.

Arielle

On 6/16/14, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The other difference is that it makes money identifiers affordable to those
> who do not use smart phones. Unless the price has dropped, the iBill was
> around $99.
>
> On Jun 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I believe you mean LookTell. :) that is a good app. I want to know how
>> cost effective this will be? Even though we would get them free, I bet
>> these devices cost a lot of money. Besides, we've gotten by with folding
>> our money for years. Just my thoughts.
>> Alyssa
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize that
>>> there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell is an
>>> iPhone app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is also a
>>> device that I believe is called an iBill. Is there something special
>>> about the roll call program that sets it apart from other money
>>> identifiers?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
>>>
>>>
>>> Roll Call
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
>>>
>>> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill,
>>> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The
>>> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
>>> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who
>>> are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau in
>>> written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee hearing
>>> today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office described
>>> the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of speaking the
>>> denomination of a bill out loud."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a
>>> court ruling several years ago that directed the department to
>>> provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to
>>> currency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program
>>> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development
>>> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his
>>> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind
>>> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop
>>> the readers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Mon Jun 16 22:40:36 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 17:40:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCNVRT4xvA1ipQgjg=M88sQWkOT+Q0M8YQau7G5Um9dnw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <539e1d1d.4428320a.7f39.ffff960e@mx.google.com>	<3B67A416-17C7-4472-A051-8EC5C268A8C1@gmail.com>	<A38BE98E-50E8-4EDE-8F27-F024F401D7CE@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCNVRT4xvA1ipQgjg=M88sQWkOT+Q0M8YQau7G5Um9dnw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cf89b3$fdedb8c0$f9c92a40$@mediacombb.net>

It would be extremely to convert all the money receivers to hold different
sizes of bills.  Per instance One bill receptor on a vending machine is $400
or more.  This would also affect all the atm's etc.  If that's the way they
go, give me that contract please.  No, to do the identifier is much less
expensive.  There's just to many other things that would need to be changed.


Now, is the money identifier a wise use of funds?  I'm not sure about that.
The day will shortly be here when we will become a cashless society.
Already, over 97 percent of transactions are electronic.  This is only going
to increase.  Part of this will allow uncle sam and all other governments to
keep track of the movement of funds around the world.  So given that, I'm
not sure we need to waste funds providing money identifiers.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 5:23 PM
To: Greg Aikens; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming

Hi all,

I'm glad that the treasury is working on making money access affordable, but
I'm a little skeptical that using money readers is the best way to do that.
My main concern is the amount of technical skill required, especially for
folks who are less tech-savvy. While I have not tried money-reading apps
yet, I have terrible camera aim, so I've never had much success with OCR
mobile apps. I think my camera aim is worse than most blind people's, but I
suspect I'm not the only one with this problem. How much aiming precision is
needed to get an accurate read on a bill? I'm also concerned about how long
it takes for a reader to ID a bill and whether that time lag is prohibitive
for blind people attempting to work as cashiers, bank tellers etc. I agree
with others that accessible money isn't really a necessity for ordinary
customer transactions, but I support making money accessible if it would
help open up more retail-level jobs to blind people. So would a money reader
really be practical in the workplace? Finally, it seems to me that making
bills of different sizes and textures might cost less than producing these
money readers, but I could be wrong about that. I suspect, though, that
making the bills different sizes or textures would work better for people
who are less tech-savvy or who have to turn over a lot of money quickly.
These are just my thoughts.

Arielle

On 6/16/14, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The other difference is that it makes money identifiers affordable to 
> those who do not use smart phones. Unless the price has dropped, the 
> iBill was around $99.
>
> On Jun 15, 2014, at 8:09 PM, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> I believe you mean LookTell. :) that is a good app. I want to know 
>> how cost effective this will be? Even though we would get them free, 
>> I bet these devices cost a lot of money. Besides, we've gotten by 
>> with folding our money for years. Just my thoughts.
>> Alyssa
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 15, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> This is awesome! However, I do have to ask if these people realize 
>>> that there are already lots of money identifiers out there. HeyTell 
>>> is an iPhone app that does this, and it's never failed me. There is 
>>> also a device that I believe is called an iBill. Is there something 
>>> special about the roll call program that sets it apart from other 
>>> money identifiers?
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 13 Jun 2014 19:55:15 -0500
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Money Identifier Coming
>>>
>>>
>>> Roll Call
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Thousands of 'Currency Readers' in the Pipeline for the Blind
>>>
>>> By Anne L. Kim Posted at 4:31 p.m. on June 11
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> While a $1 bill means something entirely different than a $100 bill, 
>>> they might not feel too different to the visually impaired. The 
>>> government is ready to do something about that challenge, though.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Bureau of Engraving and Printing expects to distribute between
>>> 100,000 and 500,000 "currency readers" to the blind and others who 
>>> are visually impaired, says Larry R. Felix, director of the bureau 
>>> in written testimony for a House Financial Services Committee 
>>> hearing today.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> In a report last year, the Government Accountability Office 
>>> described the gizmos as "portable electronic devices capable of 
>>> speaking the denomination of a bill out loud."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The effort is part of a response by the Treasury Department to a 
>>> court ruling several years ago that directed the department to 
>>> provide the blind and visually impaired with meaningful access to 
>>> currency.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "We plan to launch a pilot program this summer and roll the program 
>>> out nationally in 2015. The project plan is under joint development 
>>> and will be operated by the BEP an the LOC/NLS," Felix said in his 
>>> statement. LOC/NLS is the Library of Congress' service for the blind 
>>> and physically handicapped. Felix said the office helped to develop 
>>> the readers.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>>> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>>>
>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 00:52:45 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:52:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
Message-ID: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone bope you are doing well.  I will begin puffsuing my 
Bachelor's degree at UCF next Tuesday.  One of the accommodations 
that I have for my class is to be able to record using my IPad 
Mini.  Do you know the names of any apps that will let me record 
lectures? Hope to hear from you soon.


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 01:28:21 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 20:28:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
References: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E8D94188-5F4D-4111-A017-6C52F3B70416@gmail.com>

I'm not sure but check outapplevis.com. They have a pretty extensive list of apps.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 7:52 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone bope you are doing well.  I will begin puffsuing my Bachelor's degree at UCF next Tuesday.  One of the accommodations that I have for my class is to be able to record using my IPad Mini.  Do you know the names of any apps that will let me record lectures? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 01:29:31 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:29:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
References: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <008e01cf89cb$971dc230$c5594690$@gmail.com>

Roanna,

The native Voice Memos app will do the trick and has a very straightforward
design. Please write us if you need any assistance in learning to use it.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:53 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini

Hi everyone bope you are doing well.  I will begin puffsuing my Bachelor's
degree at UCF next Tuesday.  One of the accommodations that I have for my
class is to be able to record using my IPad Mini.  Do you know the names of
any apps that will let me record lectures? Hope to hear from you soon.

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 17 02:30:12 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 22:30:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Adult Mentors for Summer Science Spectacular
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>

The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking for
one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors for
Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for students
ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and observations
at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive Center.
This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry and
Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
baseball game.

 

The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model for
the students who participate in this program.

 

The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long volunteer
program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 02:49:40 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 21:49:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <008e01cf89cb$971dc230$c5594690$@gmail.com>
References: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
	<008e01cf89cb$971dc230$c5594690$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D15FE05-C679-4196-9928-73DD4472A7A4@gmail.com>

Chris,
The iPad doesn't have the voice memos app.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Roanna,
> 
> The native Voice Memos app will do the trick and has a very straightforward
> design. Please write us if you need any assistance in learning to use it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:53 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
> 
> Hi everyone bope you are doing well.  I will begin puffsuing my Bachelor's
> degree at UCF next Tuesday.  One of the accommodations that I have for my
> class is to be able to record using my IPad Mini.  Do you know the names of
> any apps that will let me record lectures? Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 03:07:21 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2014 23:07:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking Adult Mentors for Summer Science Spectacular
In-Reply-To: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <4175100C-66ED-43CA-BA1A-1E556E5B1EB2@gmail.com>

I am interested but i am a female 
Can i apply 


Shikha. 

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 10:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking for
> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors for
> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for students
> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and observations
> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive Center.
> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry and
> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
> baseball game.
> 
> 
> 
> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model for
> the students who participate in this program.
> 
> 
> 
> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long volunteer
> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 04:04:21 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 00:04:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
In-Reply-To: <2D15FE05-C679-4196-9928-73DD4472A7A4@gmail.com>
References: <539f916f.07103c0a.75c1.05d9@mx.google.com>
	<008e01cf89cb$971dc230$c5594690$@gmail.com>
	<2D15FE05-C679-4196-9928-73DD4472A7A4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001b01cf89e1$382576e0$a87064a0$@gmail.com>

Really? Interesting. There are a number of third-party recording apps out
there. The first one which comes to mind is DropVox, which allows you to
record on your iPad and upload the recording to your Dropbox folder for
later use. Alyssa's suggestion is a good one--searching on Applevis will
give you what you need. Sorry for the confusion in my brain.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: Alyssa [mailto:alyssahenson95 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 10:50 PM
To: Chris Nusbaum; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini

Chris,
The iPad doesn't have the voice memos app.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Roanna,
> 
> The native Voice Memos app will do the trick and has a very 
> straightforward design. Please write us if you need any assistance in
learning to use it.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna 
> Bacchus via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 16, 2014 8:53 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording On An IPad Mini
> 
> Hi everyone bope you are doing well.  I will begin puffsuing my 
> Bachelor's degree at UCF next Tuesday.  One of the accommodations that 
> I have for my class is to be able to record using my IPad Mini.  Do 
> you know the names of any apps that will let me record lectures? Hope to
hear from you soon.
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 14:06:47 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:06:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention High school Students! Check out this great
	oppertunity!
Message-ID: <12A83517-4653-4627-BAC2-A9355C529CD2@gmail.com>

The following comes for the Education department of our National  Center for the blind.
 I would highly encourage you to apply for this great oppertunity if you think it sounds interesting to you. 

 Best,
  
 Darian Smith, 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
------------------------------------------------------
Attention blind and low vision high school students:
 
Have you heard that this coming school year the National Federation of the Blind is facilitating exciting science, technology, engineering, and math (STEM) programs across the country! These programs are particularly exciting for high school students, as they will provide you with the opportunity to step up into the role of mentor and leader for younger blind students.
 
Being a mentor is a fun and rewarding opportunity! You likely know, from your own experience, how much of a difference a mentor can make in your life. Did you know the experience can be just as impactful for the mentor as it is for the mentee?
 
High school students who participate in the NFB STEM2U programs will attend a Leadership Academy this September to prepare for their work as mentors and leaders at the regional programs later in the year. That’s two programs in one year and no registration fee to boot!
 
**The application deadline for high school students has been extended to June 30, 2014.** Don’t miss your opportunity to capitalize on this great experience!
 
LEARN MORE and APPLY before June 30, 2014!

Program Dates:
·       NFB STEM2U Leadership Academy; September 5-7, 2014 (a special event for high-school-aged participants)
·       NFB STEM2U Baltimore (MD); November 6-8, 2014   
·       NFB STEM2U Boston (MA); March 12-15, 2015         
·       NFB STEM2U Columbus (OH); May 14-16, 2015
 
Do you live in a state other than Maryland, Massachusetts, or Ohio? No problem! You can apply to attend the programs as long as you live in the United States!

If you have questions, please contact Natalie Shaheen by email at STEM at nfb.org or by phone at (410) 659-9314, extension 2312.
 
This material is based upon work supported by the National Science Foundation under
Grant No. 1322855.
 
P.S. If you know blind or low vision elementary school students or teachers who work with blind students, be sure to tell them about the programs, too! Their applications are due July 31!
 

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 14:47:45 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 07:47:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder:: Help NABs make convention happen!!
In-Reply-To: <2B96A1EF-BDC5-420A-8E8D-390EFC98FBDA@gmail.com>
References: <F992C95C-D8C9-4A05-881A-100D7B45BC3D@gmail.com>
	<2B96A1EF-BDC5-420A-8E8D-390EFC98FBDA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E6B40E68-C242-42B1-9F24-C481406134A3@gmail.com>

Hi all,
 One of the things I love about NABS is that anyone and everyone can take part in building the success of the division. 
 No one person can make it possible, it's truly a connected effort if we really want to change what it means to be a blind student by showing that you can live the life you want.
 I encourage  all who will be at convention to look into their schedules and see what time they can carve out to contribute to what our division does to fruther the work of the National FEderation of the Blind.
 Thanks so much and check out the below announcement.


> 

> 
>> 
>> Hey Nabs!! 
>>>> As you all know, the National association of blind students is
>>>> planning a lot of exciting things at national convention. What you may
>>>> not know however is that we as a board can’t do all of it ourselves.
>>>> So we would very much appreciate your help in making the nabs
>>>> activities a success this year!
>>>> Where we would most appreciate your assistance is in three areas
>>> 1: marshalers for the NABS meeting.   
>>> They  are the few, the proud,   the people who make sure you know  where the action is. 
>>> They help you find the right line to stand in.   Without them, we don't know how the night might go.
>>> five to ten people are needed for the NABS meeting    
>>> 
>>> 2.
>>>> .  Assistance in staffing the nabs table located in the exhibit hall.
>>>> Here you will be partnered up with a nabs board member selling   nabs
>>>> items and handing out nabs literature.  The schedule for tabling looks
>>>> like this:
>>> Wednesday,
>>>> July 2:
>>>> 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
>>>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>>>> 3:00p.m. – 5:00 p.m.
>>>> Thursday, July 3:
>>>> 8:30 a.m. – 11:00 a.m.
>>>> 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
>>>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>>>> 3:00 p.m. – 5:00p.m.
>>>> Friday, July 4:
>>>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m.
>>>> 7:00p.m. – 9:00 p.m.
>>>> Saturday, July 5:
>>>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m
>>>> 6:00p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> As you can see, we have eleven shifts, so if you contact me with your
>>>> preference, I will be more than happy to get you scheduled in!
>>>> 
>>>> 3. Staffing the nabs Monte Carlo night fund raiser. This is a great
>>>> opportunity to work shoulder to shoulder with us in putting together
>>>> one of our most successful events that we do.  For this we will need:
>>>> Individuals who can work an early shift (7:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.  Those
>>>> individuals will be asked to either
>>>> a. Marshal.
>>>> b. Set up for the event
>>>> c. Deal card games( blackjack, poker, holdemand other such games)
>>>> We will also need Late shift workers (9:30 p.m. – 12:00 a.m.)  Those
>>>> individuals would be asked to:
>>>> a. deal card games (blackjack, poker, holdem and other such games)
>>>> b. Assist with event clean- up and playing chip counting.
>>>> 
>>>> Please let me know what time(s) you are interested in working
>>>> (exhibit hall, Monte Carlo or both). If Monte Carlo, please let me
>>>> know what job you would like to take on, if you would like to deal and
>>>> what games you would like to deal (blackjack, poker, holdem or other
>>>> such games).
>>>> This is a great opportunity for you to meet the nabs board, and us to
>>>> get to know you. As well, this is an equally great opportunity for you
>>>> to meet a lot of new people and have some fun at the same time.
>>>> Please contact me and copy Sean Whalen, NABS President if interested.
>>>> I can be contacted at: dsmithnfb at gmail.com. Sean Can be reached at nabs.president at gmail.com.
>>>> 
>>>> Thank  you very much for your willingness to work together to make this convention the best one yet!
>>> 
>>>> I look forward to hearing
>>>> from you all real soon and am excited to see you in Orlando!!!
>>> Best,
>>> Darian
>>>> -- 
>>>> Darian Smith, 2nd  Vice President
>>>> national Association of Blind Students
>> 
>>> www.nabslink.org
>>> 
>>> (415)215-9809
>>> Dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>>> twitter:@goldengateace
>>>> 
>>>> "To dream what is possible and to put oneself in service of that dream is the
>>>> formula
>>>> for a life well lived."
>>>> 
>>>> - Dr. Peter Benson
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 18:23:51 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 14:23:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
Message-ID: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>

Dear Nabs Members,

Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything 
about streaming for this year.  Do any of you know if it will be 
streamed at all?


From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 19:47:05 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 15:47:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <53A09B39.2060004@gmail.com>

I'm doing it on my own. I've contacted people and gotten no answers, so 
I'm going to do streaming, or at the very least, recording of the 
meeting, but streaming should workout just fine.
iI'll see that the links to listen and/or download this meeting get 
posted here. Questions? Contact me off list.
On 6/17/2014 2:23 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> Dear Nabs Members,
>
> Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about 
> streaming for this year. Do any of you know if it will be streamed at 
> all?
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>



From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 20:29:48 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:29:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <53A09B39.2060004@gmail.com>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
	<53A09B39.2060004@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C56EBD12-5B18-491C-96E7-9CA6B88F8ECB@gmail.com>

David, thank you for doing that. Roanna, if you are referring to any other sessions of the convention aside from the NABS meeting, NFB always streams the general sessions, the Board meeting and the banquet. John Bergren is in charge of this and will send out the information to the lists. In the past this announcement has been posted about a week from the start of the convention. Stay tuned with patience!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 3:47 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm doing it on my own. I've contacted people and gotten no answers, so I'm going to do streaming, or at the very least, recording of the meeting, but streaming should workout just fine.
> iI'll see that the links to listen and/or download this meeting get posted here. Questions? Contact me off list.
>> On 6/17/2014 2:23 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>> Dear Nabs Members,
>> 
>> Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about streaming for this year. Do any of you know if it will be streamed at all?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com
> 
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 17 20:45:11 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 16:45:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS281D62CA69528194802ACA2BA110@phx.gbl>

Hello Roanna,

Have you checked the website lately? There seems to be information regarding
online streaming of the convention on the main page. Check out www.nfb.org
for more information. However, I do not believe this online stream schedule
includes online streaming for the NABS business meeting.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:24 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention

Dear Nabs Members,

Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about
streaming for this year.  Do any of you know if it will be streamed at all?

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 21:01:16 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 17:01:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <COL402-EAS281D62CA69528194802ACA2BA110@phx.gbl>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
	<COL402-EAS281D62CA69528194802ACA2BA110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <B0650AED-1E31-4569-850A-AAD7BCBAD647@gmail.com>

Elizabeth,

This streaming schedule does not include streaming for the NABS meeting because it is not streamed by our national office on the NFB Web site. However, David Dunphy tells us that he will be streaming it on his own. Therefore, he will have his own schedule.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Roanna,
> 
> Have you checked the website lately? There seems to be information regarding
> online streaming of the convention on the main page. Check out www.nfb.org
> for more information. However, I do not believe this online stream schedule
> includes online streaming for the NABS business meeting.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:24 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
> 
> Dear Nabs Members,
> 
> Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about
> streaming for this year.  Do any of you know if it will be streamed at all?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 22:54:42 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:54:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>

Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple 
products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on 
Apple's web site but can't find anything.


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 23:13:55 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:13:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
References: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5B56EB6F-26DF-4D6A-82D3-0FDD53447C80@gmail.com>

Applevis.com has a forum. I'm not sure of any others. If you use Facebook, there is a group called access tech.
Hth
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on Apple's web site but can't find anything.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 17 23:22:56 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:22:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] last mentoring program reminder
Message-ID: <CADit0-uNiyWYte0Wv59XmVqoCuah-r+Z3v1KQNZuJzcP57aXPA@mail.gmail.com>

HI all!
It's unbelievable, but convention is only two weeks away! If you still
haven't done so, and would like to participate as a mentor or mentee,
please sign up for the NABS mentoring program!
To sign up visit www.nabslink.org and follow the 2014 mentoring
program link. OUr amazing kick off activity will be at 6:00 pm on July
1st.
So come one, and come all, sign up! INvite your friends to sign up!
This is an opportunity to give back and welcome new blind students
into the federation.
Thank you!


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Jun 17 23:23:26 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joeph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:23:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <5B56EB6F-26DF-4D6A-82D3-0FDD53447C80@gmail.com>
References: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
	<5B56EB6F-26DF-4D6A-82D3-0FDD53447C80@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS3942BC1AFDB52CCE837E413CE110@phx.gbl>

There's also VIP for the subscription info is
VIP phone +6 cry at Google groups.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 6:14 PM, "Alyssa via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Applevis.com has a forum. I'm not sure of any others. If you use Facebook, there is a group called access tech.
> Hth
> Alyssa 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on Apple's web site but can't find anything.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Tue Jun 17 23:40:35 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:40:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
References: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C9943649-8193-4214-9714-06F2745B37C8@me.com>

Mac visionaries is a good one, although its a heavy traffic list.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 4
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 17, 2014, at 6:54 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on Apple's web site but can't find anything.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 00:29:29 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 19:29:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
Message-ID: <53a0dd6d.4c50320a.72d5.ffff855d@mx.google.com>

Roanna, there is a list that deals specifically with VoiceOver on
IOS devices. It's not run by Apple, but it's a really good list. 
I'm pretty sure the address is 
gold-idevice+subscribe at googlegroups.com, but I'm not 100% sure so 
someone might wanna confirm that.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, fab at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:54:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists

Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple
products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on
Apple's web site but can't find anything.

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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Jun 18 00:35:39 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 20:35:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <53a0dd6d.4c50320a.72d5.ffff855d@mx.google.com>
References: <53a0dd6d.4c50320a.72d5.ffff855d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <664E4AF2-A07C-4091-AF56-E0CB5E54B3CC@icloud.com>

It worked, thanks so much! I am subscribed.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 8:29 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Roanna, there is a list that deals specifically with VoiceOver on
> IOS devices. It's not run by Apple, but it's a really good list. I'm pretty sure the address is gold-idevice+subscribe at googlegroups.com, but I'm not 100% sure so someone might wanna confirm that.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, fab at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 18:54:42 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
> 
> Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple
> products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on
> Apple's web site but can't find anything.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Jun 18 01:21:57 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 17 Jun 2014 21:21:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking for a room
Message-ID: <auto-000158487119@mailfront3.g2host.com>


>
>I'm looking for someonewho had planned on going to the upcoming 
>convention but will not be able to go. I just got the ok but can't 
>get a room. If anyone has a room would like a suite but will take anything.
>Please call Stancil Tootle at 2292546630
>Thanks
>
>
>Stencil Tootle  2nd Vice-President,
>Legislative Chairman.  GA,
>National Federation of the Blind of Georgia
><x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>315 W. Ponce De Leon Ave.
><x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>Suite 801
><x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>Decatur, GA 30030
>Office: <tel:(404)%20371-1000;39>(404) 371-1000 ext. 39
>Fax: <tel:(404)%20371-1002>(404) 371-1002
>Cell: <tel:(229)%20254-6630>(229) 254-6630
>Email:<mailto:stootle at nfbga.org>stootle at nfbga.org



From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 06:40:38 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 02:40:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blackboard Ap
Message-ID: <435BBE68-E21B-486A-AA65-EF30F9A4D91E@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here use the blackboard ap in your phone? I'm just wondering since I actually downloaded into my iPhone, and I'm actually having some issues wwith it! The issue that I'm having with it is that I am not able to reply to the discussion forum, and I can't create a tread either on it! In fact, I'm able to read the discussions, but when it comes to replying or creating a discusssion tread it doesn't work! Just to let you know, I'm taking an online Nutrition class, and I'm actually using blackboard! If you use the blackboard app, I will really appreciate it if you could help me with this. Or in order to reply or create a discussion tread, do you just log in to the blackboard site using Safari? Just wondering! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless!! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 14:28:23 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 10:28:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
Message-ID: <000001cf8b01$902a1960$b07e4c20$@gmail.com>

Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
blackboard?   It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
media player or something?  Oops.  

 


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 16:15:27 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 12:15:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Looking for a room
In-Reply-To: <auto-000158487119@mailfront3.g2host.com>
References: <auto-000158487119@mailfront3.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <5977F110-389F-4496-ABA4-05AA3E55AB61@gmail.com>

Let me know if any guys are looking for a room mate for national convention   
My  friend glen is looking for two guys to room with him at national convention 
Thanks
  

Shikha. 

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 9:21 PM, David Andrews via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> I'm looking for someonewho had planned on going to the upcoming convention but will not be able to go. I just got the ok but can't get a room. If anyone has a room would like a suite but will take anything.
>> Please call Stancil Tootle at 2292546630
>> Thanks
>> 
>> 
>> Stencil Tootle  2nd Vice-President,
>> Legislative Chairman.  GA,
>> National Federation of the Blind of Georgia
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>315 W. Ponce De Leon Ave.
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>Suite 801
>> <x-apple-data-detectors://0/0>Decatur, GA 30030
>> Office: <tel:(404)%20371-1000;39>(404) 371-1000 ext. 39
>> Fax: <tel:(404)%20371-1002>(404) 371-1002
>> Cell: <tel:(229)%20254-6630>(229) 254-6630
>> Email:<mailto:stootle at nfbga.org>stootle at nfbga.org
> 
> 
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 17:22:58 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:22:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <B0650AED-1E31-4569-850A-AAD7BCBAD647@gmail.com>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>	<COL402-EAS281D62CA69528194802ACA2BA110@phx.gbl>
	<B0650AED-1E31-4569-850A-AAD7BCBAD647@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A1CAF2.2060406@gmail.com>

The meeting time is I believe at 7 PM eastern for Nabs. I will double 
check this, and regardless of when it is, I will let everyone know about 
streaming access and how to listen.

On 6/17/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
> Elizabeth,
>
> This streaming schedule does not include streaming for the NABS meeting because it is not streamed by our national office on the NFB Web site. However, David Dunphy tells us that he will be streaming it on his own. Therefore, he will have his own schedule.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello Roanna,
>>
>> Have you checked the website lately? There seems to be information regarding
>> online streaming of the convention on the main page. Check out www.nfb.org
>> for more information. However, I do not believe this online stream schedule
>> includes online streaming for the NABS business meeting.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:24 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
>>
>> Dear Nabs Members,
>>
>> Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about
>> streaming for this year.  Do any of you know if it will be streamed at all?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 18:54:21 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 13:54:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apple Mailing Lists
In-Reply-To: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
References: <53a0c745.a1953c0a.0724.056b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1E0CDD10-DE3A-45C9-A3CC-304E5A4C2E30@gmail.com>

Roanna. I don't know if you heard about this, but there is an app called mp3 recorder. It also connects to Dropbox and google drive plus email. This sounds like a great note taking app to me!
Hth
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 17, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey all do any of you know of any mailing lists for apple products? I'd like to subscribe to one of them? I've looked on Apple's web site but can't find anything.
> 
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Wed Jun 18 19:16:45 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 15:16:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
In-Reply-To: <53A1CAF2.2060406@gmail.com>
References: <53a087c9.c581b60a.57e3.ffff8c67@mx.google.com>
	<COL402-EAS281D62CA69528194802ACA2BA110@phx.gbl>
	<B0650AED-1E31-4569-850A-AAD7BCBAD647@gmail.com>
	<53A1CAF2.2060406@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e55pQ8fBbF5BRmOB2CgRy1-OsCWLkBmErDX=img90Of=w@mail.gmail.com>

Excellent Job David Dunphy. I look fwd. to the stream of this year's
National Convention in Orlando.


Jimmy Hulme
Member of NFB of New Jersey since 1998
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Wed, Jun 18, 2014 at 1:22 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> The meeting time is I believe at 7 PM eastern for Nabs. I will double
> check this, and regardless of when it is, I will let everyone know about
> streaming access and how to listen.
>
>
> On 6/17/2014 5:01 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
>
>> Elizabeth,
>>
>> This streaming schedule does not include streaming for the NABS meeting
>> because it is not streamed by our national office on the NFB Web site.
>> However, David Dunphy tells us that he will be streaming it on his own.
>> Therefore, he will have his own schedule.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>  On Jun 17, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Roanna,
>>>
>>> Have you checked the website lately? There seems to be information
>>> regarding
>>> online streaming of the convention on the main page. Check out
>>> www.nfb.org
>>> for more information. However, I do not believe this online stream
>>> schedule
>>> includes online streaming for the NABS business meeting.
>>>
>>> Warm regards,
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
>>> Bacchus
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2014 2:24 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Streaming For This Year's National Convention
>>>
>>> Dear Nabs Members,
>>>
>>> Convention is just two weeks away and I have not seen anything about
>>> streaming for this year.  Do any of you know if it will be streamed at
>>> all?
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>> lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 03:26:50 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2014 20:26:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Good job nabs!  Let's do better, though.
Message-ID: <51C14F95-E004-4D82-A4E0-3E88627B3880@gmail.com>

To those who have volunteered to help at convention; thank you!  
To those who haven't gotten around to it; you still can and you are still needed.  
We still need Marshner's for the business meeting and Monte Carlo.
We most certainly need people who can deal cards at Monte Carlo.

Do you know any card games? Can you deal those card games?  Well… Let's talk! 
Email me directly at dsmithnfb at gmail.com 

  Thank you!
See you at convention.
Darian.

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 15:44:59 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 11:44:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Signing into the Gold IDevice list
Message-ID: <53a30592.88fab60a.38a4.1b15@mx.google.com>

Hi people how do I sign into the Gold I delice list? I'm got an 
email stating that my subscription was approved.


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 16:03:20 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:03:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Signing into the Gold IDevice list
In-Reply-To: <53a30592.88fab60a.38a4.1b15@mx.google.com>
References: <53a30592.88fab60a.38a4.1b15@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9D4BABC99AEF4ABEB38428FDE5151C86@Helga>

Hi Roanna, How are you? Maybe in order to sign for it you can reply to it! 
Did you try to reply to it? Just wondering! ;) Hope to hear from you soon. 
Thanks and God bless!! :)



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students

Phone: (561) 706-5950 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16

-----Original Message----- 
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 11:44 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Signing into the Gold IDevice list

Hi people how do I sign into the Gold I delice list? I'm got an
email stating that my subscription was approved.

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 16:03:29 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:03:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Signing into the Gold IDevice list
In-Reply-To: <53a30592.88fab60a.38a4.1b15@mx.google.com>
References: <53a30592.88fab60a.38a4.1b15@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <961D2E0E-CD52-4CB0-9B5C-9DC7C7606CD6@gmail.com>

I don't think you need to sign into anything. If the subscription was approved, you can just email the address of the list to post to it.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 11:44 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi people how do I sign into the Gold I delice list? I'm got an email stating that my subscription was approved.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From amc05111 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 16:36:49 2014
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 12:36:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 2010
Message-ID: <53A311A1.3040707@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope you all are doing well.

My friend and I have an outlook question for you all. How is the best 
accessible way to add a Google calendar to Outlook 2010?


-- 
Thank you
Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks
Social Media Manager
http://www.blinkiechicks.com/



From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 17:31:03 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:31:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Outlook 2010
In-Reply-To: <53A311A1.3040707@gmail.com>
References: <53A311A1.3040707@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e5PHKnmWzMd8DahBPd3P=u3Wwc_upw2UuB8GSjG05HrOg@mail.gmail.com>

Applgoogcaltoutlk10
<http://www.slipstick.com/outlook/sync-outlook/using-google-calendar-sync-utility-outlook/>

Please click the link above and open in new window.

Hope this helps. Please just follow steps. Utilize ZoomText if necessary
and download a file.

Jimmy Hulme
908-868-2836
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 12:36 PM, Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> I hope you all are doing well.
>
> My friend and I have an outlook question for you all. How is the best
> accessible way to add a Google calendar to Outlook 2010?
>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Ashley Coleman
>
> Blinkie Chicks
> Social Media Manager
> http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 18:42:25 2014
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 13:42:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws
In-Reply-To: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>


Just wondering if there is a way to get JAWS back to where it was on a webpage, if you accidentally hit a key that moves the cursor to a totally different place.

Anna E Givens

> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking for
> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors for
> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for students
> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and observations
> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive Center.
> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry and
> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
> baseball game.
> 
> 
> 
> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model for
> the students who participate in this program.
> 
> 
> 
> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long volunteer
> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 18:50:35 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:50:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws
In-Reply-To: <40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
	<40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7AA00287-2F94-424A-9B7B-EBE15D2D6DCC@gmail.com>

Hi Anna,

No, there really isn’t  a way to get JAWS back to where it was if you accidentally get it somewhere else.  You can use your navigation keys (H for heading, n for non-link text, F for form, E for edit field) to get back to the nearest heading, form field, edit field or non-link text, but unfortunately, JAWS doesn’t magically remember where it was before you made it move.  That would be nice though.  It would make our lives a lot easier.  Voiceover doesn’t do it either.


Ryan L. Silveira
Corresponding Secretary
Ohio Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind, 
(203) 731-7580
ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com

On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> 
> Just wondering if there is a way to get JAWS back to where it was on a webpage, if you accidentally hit a key that moves the cursor to a totally different place.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking for
>> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors for
>> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for students
>> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and observations
>> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive Center.
>> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry and
>> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
>> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
>> baseball game.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
>> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
>> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
>> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
>> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model for
>> the students who participate in this program.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
>> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
>> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long volunteer
>> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
>> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
>> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 18:57:20 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:57:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws
In-Reply-To: <7AA00287-2F94-424A-9B7B-EBE15D2D6DCC@gmail.com>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
	<40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>
	<7AA00287-2F94-424A-9B7B-EBE15D2D6DCC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gCnJ3w5dpzFL1nrNpOXG=S3_e-_bqQiZz7HDGAD_n9Dw@mail.gmail.com>

Jaws doesn't automatically remember where you were on a page, but one
thing you can do to minimize jumps is set a temporary place marker
(control+windows+k). It sets a marker so if your cursor moves
somewhere else, you can hit k and it will move to the place that you
set the marker. I do this a lot for pages that tend to refresh or I'm
reading a super long article.
Minh

On 6/19/14, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Anna,
>
> No, there really isn't  a way to get JAWS back to where it was if you
> accidentally get it somewhere else.  You can use your navigation keys (H for
> heading, n for non-link text, F for form, E for edit field) to get back to
> the nearest heading, form field, edit field or non-link text, but
> unfortunately, JAWS doesn't magically remember where it was before you made
> it move.  That would be nice though.  It would make our lives a lot easier.
> Voiceover doesn't do it either.
>
>
> Ryan L. Silveira
> Corresponding Secretary
> Ohio Association of Blind Students
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind,
> (203) 731-7580
> ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>
> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Just wondering if there is a way to get JAWS back to where it was on a
>> webpage, if you accidentally hit a key that moves the cursor to a totally
>> different place.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking
>>> for
>>> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors
>>> for
>>> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for
>>> students
>>> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and
>>> observations
>>> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive
>>> Center.
>>> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry
>>> and
>>> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
>>> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
>>> baseball game.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
>>> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
>>> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
>>> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
>>> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model
>>> for
>>> the students who participate in this program.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
>>> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
>>> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long
>>> volunteer
>>> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
>>> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
>>> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 19:06:35 2014
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:06:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gCnJ3w5dpzFL1nrNpOXG=S3_e-_bqQiZz7HDGAD_n9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
	<40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>
	<7AA00287-2F94-424A-9B7B-EBE15D2D6DCC@gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gCnJ3w5dpzFL1nrNpOXG=S3_e-_bqQiZz7HDGAD_n9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A695214C-03F0-41C0-BBD8-20685B83A6F9@gmail.com>

Another thing you can do, is if you remember the first couple words that weresaid before the cursor moves, just use a jaws  find to get back to your place.

Hope Paulos

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:57 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jaws doesn't automatically remember where you were on a page, but one
> thing you can do to minimize jumps is set a temporary place marker
> (control+windows+k). It sets a marker so if your cursor moves
> somewhere else, you can hit k and it will move to the place that you
> set the marker. I do this a lot for pages that tend to refresh or I'm
> reading a super long article.
> Minh
> 
>> On 6/19/14, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> No, there really isn't  a way to get JAWS back to where it was if you
>> accidentally get it somewhere else.  You can use your navigation keys (H for
>> heading, n for non-link text, F for form, E for edit field) to get back to
>> the nearest heading, form field, edit field or non-link text, but
>> unfortunately, JAWS doesn't magically remember where it was before you made
>> it move.  That would be nice though.  It would make our lives a lot easier.
>> Voiceover doesn't do it either.
>> 
>> 
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>> Corresponding Secretary
>> Ohio Association of Blind Students
>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind,
>> (203) 731-7580
>> ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Just wondering if there is a way to get JAWS back to where it was on a
>>> webpage, if you accidentally hit a key that moves the cursor to a totally
>>> different place.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking
>>>> for
>>>> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors
>>>> for
>>>> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for
>>>> students
>>>> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and
>>>> observations
>>>> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive
>>>> Center.
>>>> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry
>>>> and
>>>> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
>>>> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
>>>> baseball game.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
>>>> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
>>>> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
>>>> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
>>>> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model
>>>> for
>>>> the students who participate in this program.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
>>>> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
>>>> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long
>>>> volunteer
>>>> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
>>>> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
>>>> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/annajee82%40gmail.com
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Jun 19 20:56:29 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 16:56:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Braille Note PK and Power Braille 40 for sale
Message-ID: <auto-000158256089@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>Dave,
>
>Will you please post this to the appropriate list serves?
>
>I am selling a 18 cell Braille Note Pk for $250 and a Power Braille 
>40 for $1,000.  Here are the user manuals for these products:
>
>Braille Note PK
><http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/braillenote/manuals>http://support.humanware.com/en-usa/support/braillenote/manuals 
>
>
>Please email Philip  at: 
><mailto:Philip-ashley2006 at hotmail.com>Philip-ashley2006 at hotmail.com 
>  or call:  202-577-6380 for more information.
>
>
>Content-Type: application/pdf; name="PB_User_Manual.pdf"
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 21:13:33 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:13:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidate forum survey
Message-ID: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Thanks to those who got in touch with me with suggestions. Below you
will find the surveymonkey to submit your questions. Anyone at all can
submit questions; questions are anonymous and there is no way I will
know who has submitted what unless you make an effort to disclose it;
I will be the only one with access to the questions, and will share
them with our moderator.
The forum will be held next week, via teleconference. I will be giving
out more information shortly on the moderator and how it's going to
work.
As of right now, I am not sure that wwe will have time to let everyone
who is running for a board position participate in the actual debate.
Our two presidential candidates are being given priority, but I will
post all of the questions post the forum for anyone to answer if they
wish.
One more thing, there is no limit on the edit boxes, so do not feel
that you can only submit one question per category!
So Nabsters, it's your chance to get to know your candidates... Shoot
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Jun 19 21:18:04 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:18:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidate forum survey
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ED489803-DDE5-4195-A57E-D8D8C827EFA7@icloud.com>

It said the server is closed

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Thanks to those who got in touch with me with suggestions. Below you
> will find the surveymonkey to submit your questions. Anyone at all can
> submit questions; questions are anonymous and there is no way I will
> know who has submitted what unless you make an effort to disclose it;
> I will be the only one with access to the questions, and will share
> them with our moderator.
> The forum will be held next week, via teleconference. I will be giving
> out more information shortly on the moderator and how it's going to
> work.
> As of right now, I am not sure that wwe will have time to let everyone
> who is running for a board position participate in the actual debate.
> Our two presidential candidates are being given priority, but I will
> post all of the questions post the forum for anyone to answer if they
> wish.
> One more thing, there is no limit on the edit boxes, so do not feel
> that you can only submit one question per category!
> So Nabsters, it's your chance to get to know your candidates... Shoot
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
> 
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 21:22:50 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:22:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Last mentoring program reminder
Message-ID: <CADit0-v+RGZZ4ZV_Vk9FDuxWA5ty1367wQdHOJKszz0f9vu0gA@mail.gmail.com>

All,
If you would like to participate in the NABS mentoring program, you
have 24 hours left to sign up!
We need a few more mentors, so if you are a young professional, or an
experienced federationist this is your chance to give back and make
the a difference with our new members.
We will have a kick off activity On July 1st from 6-7:30 pm. You will
meet the person you are paired with, and build on that throughout the
week. The way you do that is totally up to both of you. We may have a
lunch activity on Sunday between general session break, but that will
be determined once we have everyone paired up to make sure  that we
have as few scheduling conflicts as possible.
To sign up simply visit www.nabslink.org
Thanks to all!

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 21:24:11 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:24:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidate forum survey
In-Reply-To: <ED489803-DDE5-4195-A57E-D8D8C827EFA7@icloud.com>
References: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED489803-DDE5-4195-A57E-D8D8C827EFA7@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <E8DE17B2-FB01-4F02-BF37-B27E3D7D2881@gmail.com>

Hi, I understand there is not enough time for every candidate to get to answer questions. However, I am curious about who has disclosed that they are running. Would it be possible to either say any of all of the people who are running on the call or two post  their names to the list? I think the candidate should do this themselves, however I think it would be nice to at least recognize their names if they are not going to be able to answer questions during the forum.

Cindy Bennett

Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It said the server is closed
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> Thanks to those who got in touch with me with suggestions. Below you
>> will find the surveymonkey to submit your questions. Anyone at all can
>> submit questions; questions are anonymous and there is no way I will
>> know who has submitted what unless you make an effort to disclose it;
>> I will be the only one with access to the questions, and will share
>> them with our moderator.
>> The forum will be held next week, via teleconference. I will be giving
>> out more information shortly on the moderator and how it's going to
>> work.
>> As of right now, I am not sure that wwe will have time to let everyone
>> who is running for a board position participate in the actual debate.
>> Our two presidential candidates are being given priority, but I will
>> post all of the questions post the forum for anyone to answer if they
>> wish.
>> One more thing, there is no limit on the edit boxes, so do not feel
>> that you can only submit one question per category!
>> So Nabsters, it's your chance to get to know your candidates... Shoot
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>> feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 21:27:55 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:27:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidate forum survey
In-Reply-To: <E8DE17B2-FB01-4F02-BF37-B27E3D7D2881@gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED489803-DDE5-4195-A57E-D8D8C827EFA7@icloud.com>
	<E8DE17B2-FB01-4F02-BF37-B27E3D7D2881@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADit0-u_vRZPxDT6gqFrNdbFV3vz=BsAwDLeuxc-XFUMNO295g@mail.gmail.com>

It's opened now. Sorry about that.

On 6/19/14, Cindy <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, I understand there is not enough time for every candidate to get to
> answer questions. However, I am curious about who has disclosed that they
> are running. Would it be possible to either say any of all of the people who
> are running on the call or two post  their names to the list? I think the
> candidate should do this themselves, however I think it would be nice to at
> least recognize their names if they are not going to be able to answer
> questions during the forum.
>
> Cindy Bennett
>
> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>
> B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> It said the server is closed
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Thanks to those who got in touch with me with suggestions. Below you
>>> will find the surveymonkey to submit your questions. Anyone at all can
>>> submit questions; questions are anonymous and there is no way I will
>>> know who has submitted what unless you make an effort to disclose it;
>>> I will be the only one with access to the questions, and will share
>>> them with our moderator.
>>> The forum will be held next week, via teleconference. I will be giving
>>> out more information shortly on the moderator and how it's going to
>>> work.
>>> As of right now, I am not sure that wwe will have time to let everyone
>>> who is running for a board position participate in the actual debate.
>>> Our two presidential candidates are being given priority, but I will
>>> post all of the questions post the forum for anyone to answer if they
>>> wish.
>>> One more thing, there is no limit on the edit boxes, so do not feel
>>> that you can only submit one question per category!
>>> So Nabsters, it's your chance to get to know your candidates... Shoot
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mary Fernandez
>>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>>> feel."
>>> --
>>> Maya Angelou
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/mikgephart%40icloud.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/clb5590%40gmail.com
>


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 21:32:45 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:32:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidate forum survey
In-Reply-To: <E8DE17B2-FB01-4F02-BF37-B27E3D7D2881@gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-vOeUhW-yOT1jrxeHAVuLJamLNMG0aobBspV6wE_==0_g@mail.gmail.com>
	<ED489803-DDE5-4195-A57E-D8D8C827EFA7@icloud.com>
	<E8DE17B2-FB01-4F02-BF37-B27E3D7D2881@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F67CC98D-6409-468B-BE1F-575D1376731D@gmail.com>

Cindy, that's a brilliant idea. I will email everyone who has emailed me and ask them if they are okay with this.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:24 PM, Cindy <clb5590 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I understand there is not enough time for every candidate to get to answer questions. However, I am curious about who has disclosed that they are running. Would it be possible to either say any of all of the people who are running on the call or two post  their names to the list? I think the candidate should do this themselves, however I think it would be nice to at least recognize their names if they are not going to be able to answer questions during the forum.
> 
> Cindy Bennett
> 
> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
> 
> B.A. Psychology: UNC Wilmington
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:18 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> It said the server is closed
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Thanks to those who got in touch with me with suggestions. Below you
>>> will find the surveymonkey to submit your questions. Anyone at all can
>>> submit questions; questions are anonymous and there is no way I will
>>> know who has submitted what unless you make an effort to disclose it;
>>> I will be the only one with access to the questions, and will share
>>> them with our moderator.
>>> The forum will be held next week, via teleconference. I will be giving
>>> out more information shortly on the moderator and how it's going to
>>> work.
>>> As of right now, I am not sure that wwe will have time to let everyone
>>> who is running for a board position participate in the actual debate.
>>> Our two presidential candidates are being given priority, but I will
>>> post all of the questions post the forum for anyone to answer if they
>>> wish.
>>> One more thing, there is no limit on the edit boxes, so do not feel
>>> that you can only submit one question per category!
>>> So Nabsters, it's your chance to get to know your candidates... Shoot
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Mary Fernandez
>>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>>> feel."
>>> --
>>> Maya Angelou
>>> 
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From patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 19 22:01:45 2014
From: patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com (Sarah Patnaude)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 15:01:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Sarah Patnaude for NABS Board Member
Message-ID: <1403215305.30788.YahooMailNeo@web161805.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Fellow Federationists,
       
       Four years ago, I learned a lesson that has been my driving force since. I learned that we are not inferior because of our blindness, that our blindness can be lowered to a mere inconvenience. Knowing this is one thing, acting upon it is another. Action needs to back up any philosophy. To make change, one needs to act. That is why I am running for board member of NABS.
       As a leader, I have learned that if I want to see change, I need to step up and make the change. In our constitution, it is stated that NABS is to “participate as an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind.” In addition, the first line of the NFB pledge says “I pledge to participate actively in the National Federation of the Blind.” The theme of participation is important. Each person has an important role in keeping the movement alive, in producing the change that we desire. Although NABS has participated in NFB programs and initiatives, we can and should always strive for improvement.
 I would love to see us get more involved in advocacy and policy. For example, the TEACH Act is for us, it is for students. We know firsthand the struggles with accessibility in the classroom; we experience it every day. If we are the ones that are affected, then we have the responsibility to enact change. We have the ability to create ways for other students to not go through the challenges we are facing, shouldn’t we act upon on that? Shouldn’t we make it so the next generation of students does not have issues with accessible technology in the classroom? 
As a division, we need to strengthen our relationships with the national board, state affiliates, state student divisions, and local chapters. Having these relationships will unite the NFB and keep our movement strong. In addition, the NABS board should have a strong relationship with the members of NABS. We need to communicate with, set an example for, and encourage our members. Our passion and love for each other and for the movement is what drives us. We need to have these relationships to build the movement. 
 
I would love to have the opportunity to serve as Board Member, to stimulate change and further our movement. I would be very grateful for your vote!
 
Sincerely,
Sarah Patnaude


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Thu Jun 19 22:42:29 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 17:42:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Candice Chapman for NABS President
Message-ID: <5E370143-029A-42AF-8489-9060283D4232@gmail.com>

Greetings NABS,
 
     My name is Candice Chapman. Although I currently serve as NABS Treasurer, I have been a member of the NABS Board since 2011. I’m originally from Mississippi, but currently reside in Minnesota. I’m a recent graduate of BLIND, Inc. and will be starting my Master’s Program this fall.

     I first became aware of the National Federation of the Blind in 2007 when I attended the NFB Youth Slam. During Youth Slam I met blind people who believed that I could do anything I set my mind to. I was immediately hooked, it was hard not to be. The only thing that I had been told since losing my vision was that I could not achieve my goals and dreams because I was blind. To all of a sudden have a whole organization of people telling me even though I was blind I could achieve my goals and dreams? How could  I not want to be a part of such an empowering movement.

     One of the things that really stuck with me from the first time I heard Dr. Maurer speak, was the idea that we should give just as much, if not more, to our organization as we receive. For this reason, I’ve been working to give back since I started. In Mississippi I was instrumental in organizing the Mississippi Association of Blind Students and also The Starkville-Golden Triangle Chapter of the NFB of Mississippi. Since working with NABS I have helped to reorganize the Missouri Association of Blind Students and helped to bring the Arkansas Association of Blind Students into existence. As NABS Treasurer, along with my Fundraising Co-chair and committee members I organized a successful fundraiser at Washington Seminar and am currently working on what we anticipate to be successful fundraising at National Convention. I want to continue giving back to the organization that has already given so much to me, but I need your help. I’m running for the office of President of the National Association of Blind Students, and here’s why:
     
     I believe that I will make a good President for NABS, because I’m a hard working leader who listens to the concerns and desires of the student body of NABS and will do everything in my power to make this organization even stronger than it is now. Additionally, I know I have what it takes to lead the NABS Board, a body composed of some hardworking, and dedicated individuals. I also feel that mentoring is a very effective way to develop leadership, and I plan to use it as the vehicle to foster growth in our student body. If elected NABS President I hope to help improve the relationships between NABS and each individual State student division so that we can continue to move forward. Help me to continue giving back; vote for me for NABS President.

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 00:04:50 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:04:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Candice Chapman for NABS President
Message-ID: <53a37ab9.620f3c0a.56d3.78ae@mx.google.com>

Candice,

This was a great message.  I hope you are elected as the next 
Nabs president.  Each candidate has something that they bring to 
this organization.  Each candidate also has their own vision for 
this organization.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 01:30:44 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 21:30:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Candice Chapman for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <5E370143-029A-42AF-8489-9060283D4232@gmail.com>
References: <5E370143-029A-42AF-8489-9060283D4232@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004c01cf8c27$41e036a0$c5a0a3e0$@gmail.com>

You have great leadership skills.  Outstanding.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Candice Chapman via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2014 6:42 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Candice Chapman for NABS President

Greetings NABS,
 
     My name is Candice Chapman. Although I currently serve as NABS Treasurer, I have been a member of the NABS Board since 2011. I’m originally from Mississippi, but currently reside in Minnesota. I’m a recent graduate of BLIND, Inc. and will be starting my Master’s Program this fall.

     I first became aware of the National Federation of the Blind in 2007 when I attended the NFB Youth Slam. During Youth Slam I met blind people who believed that I could do anything I set my mind to. I was immediately hooked, it was hard not to be. The only thing that I had been told since losing my vision was that I could not achieve my goals and dreams because I was blind. To all of a sudden have a whole organization of people telling me even though I was blind I could achieve my goals and dreams? How could  I not want to be a part of such an empowering movement.

     One of the things that really stuck with me from the first time I heard Dr. Maurer speak, was the idea that we should give just as much, if not more, to our organization as we receive. For this reason, I’ve been working to give back since I started. In Mississippi I was instrumental in organizing the Mississippi Association of Blind Students and also The Starkville-Golden Triangle Chapter of the NFB of Mississippi. Since working with NABS I have helped to reorganize the Missouri Association of Blind Students and helped to bring the Arkansas Association of Blind Students into existence. As NABS Treasurer, along with my Fundraising Co-chair and committee members I organized a successful fundraiser at Washington Seminar and am currently working on what we anticipate to be successful fundraising at National Convention. I want to continue giving back to the organization that has already given so much to me, but I need your help. I’m running for the office of President of the National Association of Blind Students, and here’s why:
     
     I believe that I will make a good President for NABS, because I’m a hard working leader who listens to the concerns and desires of the student body of NABS and will do everything in my power to make this organization even stronger than it is now. Additionally, I know I have what it takes to lead the NABS Board, a body composed of some hardworking, and dedicated individuals. I also feel that mentoring is a very effective way to develop leadership, and I plan to use it as the vehicle to foster growth in our student body. If elected NABS President I hope to help improve the relationships between NABS and each individual State student division so that we can continue to move forward. Help me to continue giving back; vote for me for NABS President.
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 01:43:21 2014
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Thu, 19 Jun 2014 20:43:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Jaws
In-Reply-To: <A695214C-03F0-41C0-BBD8-20685B83A6F9@gmail.com>
References: <COL402-EAS36002FC5E85F614D29E43A7BA110@phx.gbl>
	<40F88493-7389-4A62-8080-CE58BFE0B665@gmail.com>
	<7AA00287-2F94-424A-9B7B-EBE15D2D6DCC@gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gCnJ3w5dpzFL1nrNpOXG=S3_e-_bqQiZz7HDGAD_n9Dw@mail.gmail.com>
	<A695214C-03F0-41C0-BBD8-20685B83A6F9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1697FE37-F49F-49E6-8DFF-0823F5A88F3C@gmail.com>

Thank u!  All very helpful!

Anna E Givens

> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Hope Paulos via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Another thing you can do, is if you remember the first couple words that weresaid before the cursor moves, just use a jaws  find to get back to your place.
> 
> Hope Paulos
> 
>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:57 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Jaws doesn't automatically remember where you were on a page, but one
>> thing you can do to minimize jumps is set a temporary place marker
>> (control+windows+k). It sets a marker so if your cursor moves
>> somewhere else, you can hit k and it will move to the place that you
>> set the marker. I do this a lot for pages that tend to refresh or I'm
>> reading a super long article.
>> Minh
>> 
>>> On 6/19/14, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Anna,
>>> 
>>> No, there really isn't  a way to get JAWS back to where it was if you
>>> accidentally get it somewhere else.  You can use your navigation keys (H for
>>> heading, n for non-link text, F for form, E for edit field) to get back to
>>> the nearest heading, form field, edit field or non-link text, but
>>> unfortunately, JAWS doesn't magically remember where it was before you made
>>> it move.  That would be nice though.  It would make our lives a lot easier.
>>> Voiceover doesn't do it either.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Ryan L. Silveira
>>> Corresponding Secretary
>>> Ohio Association of Blind Students
>>> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind,
>>> (203) 731-7580
>>> ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>>> 
>>> On Jun 19, 2014, at 2:42 PM, Anna Givens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Just wondering if there is a way to get JAWS back to where it was on a
>>>> webpage, if you accidentally hit a key that moves the cursor to a totally
>>>> different place.
>>>> 
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>> 
>>>>> On Jun 16, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> The National Federation of the Blind of Michigan is currently looking
>>>>> for
>>>>> one or two male adult mentors to round out our group of mighty mentors
>>>>> for
>>>>> Summer Science Spectacular. This summer youth program is geared for
>>>>> students
>>>>> ages 12 - 18 years old, and will conduct science research and
>>>>> observations
>>>>> at the University of Michigan Dearborn Environmental Interpretive
>>>>> Center.
>>>>> This 300 acre natural habitat was once a part of the home farm for Henry
>>>>> and
>>>>> Clara Ford. Students will also learn the physics behind the gears of a
>>>>> bicycle, and the game of baseball during an outing to a Detroit Tigers
>>>>> baseball game.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The ideal candidate for a male adult mentor would be someone who enjoys
>>>>> working outside in nature while possessing good skills of blindness. A
>>>>> background in natural sciences is a plus, but not necessary for this
>>>>> position. The major role of this position is to ensure all children
>>>>> participate in program activities while Presenting a positive role model
>>>>> for
>>>>> the students who participate in this program.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> The Summer Science Spectacular is set to run from July 28, 2014 through
>>>>> August 1, 2014. This summer youth program would definitely be great to
>>>>> include on a resume for those who cannot commit to a summer long
>>>>> volunteer
>>>>> program, internship, or summer job.  Please contact donna Posont at
>>>>> donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com <mailto:donnabutterfly50 at gmail.com>  or
>>>>> 313-220-8140 for more information or to apply for this position.
>>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>> 
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Jun 20 04:36:32 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 04:36:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] One Dream Railroad
Message-ID: <eb4d4f45a8284123b52b42a4967d4141@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

One Dream Railroad

Fellow Federationists:
Not all blind people are students, and, hopefully, all blind students have a goal of one day becoming blind non-students. If this is true, we have an incentive for the railroad we build as students to benefit non-students, too.
Two groups, one a subset of the other, can build two separate railroads or all work together to build one mighty railroad. In the NFB, we are building a railroad of all of our dreams put together so we can live the lives we want. I want NABS to help build one dream railroad with the entire National Federation of the Blind.
As a national division, there is no replacement for a strong relationship with national leadership. Serving as a summer intern at the Jernigan Institute continues to strengthen my trust in and ability to work with our national leadership core, and I encourage everyone to apply for this internship. When trust in our national leadership is strong, the potential for collective achievement is high. When we work together, great things happen.
If I become NABS President, I will never forget that NABS exists to be an integral part of the National Federation of the Blind. In my years with the Science and Engineering Division, every division activity has been in the name of building the Federation. I have been blessed to serve as First Vice President of two state affiliates: the NFB of Connecticut and later the NFB of Wisconsin. In Wisconsin, I have recognized the power of the mentality that the NFB President is the primary leader of the affiliate. If I am blessed to serve as NABS President, I will be the primary student leader of NABS, and the President of the National Federation of the Blind will be the primary overall leader of NABS. I am eager to work with Mark Riccobono, assuming he is elected, to build the National Federation of the Blind.
I am eager to do the work of the Federation every day, and it is because of this eagerness that I have decided to attend Louisiana Tech University in the fall to become a cane travel instructor. I want to help other blind people get their lives back the same way that LCB did it for me. Every bit of love and hard work that I put into the Federation comes back to me exponentially. That's the power of our engine, and I will fuel it however our members desire. My primary choice is by serving as NABS President. Now, the question awaits: Will we build this railroad together?
Please vote Justin Salisbury for NABS President.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 14:57:19 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 10:57:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Secretary: not just a desk job
Message-ID: <CAE8_=nTTbt8V6=8UR_OErQNQNG+w3tR3wtAWCDadJzQBJvjCEg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,
     My name is Aleeha Dudley and I am a proud member of NABS. Three
years ago, I discovered the magic and power of the National Federation
of the Blind when I attended my first convention. There, I was
overwhelmed with new experiences, amazing people, and too many
resources and opportunities to count. I learned that blindness is not
what I was always told it was: something to limit you to what you are
told you can do. I promised myself as I stepped onto the plane that
would take me home that my Federation involvement would not end with
the scholarship I had just won.
     I was elected President of the Ohio Association of Blind Students
in November 2011. The division was tiny and nearly ready to dissolve.
I knew, instinctively, that i could not let this happen. Since then,
the division has grown from two active members to a well-rounded and
still growing division of nearly 8 active members and several others
on the listserv. I have since taken the role of vice president of the
division, but still work to grow it by chairing the membership
committee and assisting wherever I can.
     I intend to run for secretary of NABS at our annual business
meeting. When you hear the word "secretary", you think of someone who
sits behind the scenes, takes notes, and stays out of the way. In an
organization like the NFB, that is not the case. A secretary is an
integral part of the board and must, therefore, exhibit the same
leadership qualities and philosophical beliefs as the rest of the
team. I feel that I can  bbring a lot to the organization, from new,
innovative fundraising ideas to new ways to grow and engage the
membership. Please feel free to ask me any questions you may have. I
am very open to others' feedback and feel that I am a good listener.
Please vote for me at our upcoming meeting. We are the future of the
NFB and I feel that I am a great candidate who can help lead us into
that bright future.
Yours sincerely,
Aleeha Dudley

-- 
Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas
Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
- Arabian Proverb


From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Jun 20 17:43:51 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:43:51 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nabs-presidents] History Project
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZ6r9z1JN3yLRtBv=bAL=LU4XHxX200rWzKm5t1Kx_Q3w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZ6r9z1JN3yLRtBv=bAL=LU4XHxX200rWzKm5t1Kx_Q3w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82549c579c324ddeabc9f789eae3a564@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Hi Kaiti,

I think this is a great project. I want you to know that this is quite similar to an initiative that we run at our national headquarters, and I think much can be gained from a close partnership with those running the national initiative.

If you and our committee are interested in harnessing the power of the broader Federation history initiative, including the collection of oral histories and archiving documents, I encourage you to contact Anna Kresmer in the Jacobus tenBroek Library.  Her email address is AKresmer at NFB.org. I spent some good time with her yesterday learning about all we are doing and how members can help.

I would love to have a hand in this project, especially in researching how past NABS leaders have maintained/established relationships (for better or for worse) with the core leadership of the National Federation of the Blind and how state student division presidents have done the same within respective state affiliates.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury

-----Original Message-----
From: Nabs-presidents [mailto:nabs-presidents-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2014 4:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nabs-presidents
Subject: [Nabs-presidents] History Project

Hello all,

The National Association of Blind Students History Project is officially underway.  The committee met on Saturday night, and here is what we have come up with as goals for the future.  Here are the highlights.

O We want to ultimately complete a written history of the student division, modeled closely after Walking Alone Marching Together.
O To do this, we will collect information through interviews.  We will start with those who were around to see the events which led up to the student division's formation and its early years unfold, then work our way into the 21st century.
O  We may also publish particularly interesting interviews in publications such as the Braille Monitor, Future Reflections, and the Student Slate as relevant.
O  The project will last for an indeterminant amount of time.  OUr interest is to produce high quality historical information, so at least for the foreseeable future there will never a be a time where it is too late to join us.  If you are interested in joining, stay tuned for April meeting details.
O  Thank you to the wonderful people who chartered this committee with me, and who enthusiastically took interview assignments.  You are awesome people, and I think we're off to a great start.

Stay tuned for details about April's meeting.

--
Kaiti

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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 19:22:26 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:22:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm back
Message-ID: <5B4475B81575462499CB0546A1366691@robert9999b7cf>

Hi, I'm back. Had to leave, due to high trafick on some non related NFB lists I was on, but I look forward to hearing to all you have to say. RJ

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 19:55:56 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:55:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I'm back
Message-ID: <53a491e5.a538ec0a.0cb3.6556@mx.google.com>

Hi Rj welcome back to the list.  I really enjoyed talking with 
today on Skype.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 20:25:34 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:25:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs
Message-ID: <53a498d7.827eec0a.04e8.7061@mx.google.com>

Dear Nabs Members,

My friend Joshua Lester needs someone from any states who have 
Bell programs to come to Arkansas in October.  He needs someone 
to talk to his state President about implementing a Braille 
Enrichment Learning and Literacy  program in Arkansas.  If any of 
you would be willing to come to Arkansas in October please 
respond as soon as possible.


From shickeytha at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 21:06:25 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:06:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
Message-ID: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>

Happy Friday All,

I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
helpful to me. Thanks in advance!

Shickeytha


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 21:12:56 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:12:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B68CCC0661E4647B98B2861EF7448F4@robert9999b7cf>

I am a minister, and My thing would be practice makes perfect. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:06 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking


> Happy Friday All,
>
> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>
> Shickeytha
>
> _______________________________________________
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 21:21:23 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:21:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <C4457F33-98B7-49A0-8866-F9C35D18BCB6@gmail.com>

Hi Shickeytha, 

If you use an apple device. There's a little trick I learned from a friend. If you put your notes in a plain text doc you can use VoiceOver like an audio TelePrompter. 

Let me know off list if you want more info. 

Best, 

Candice Chapman

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Happy Friday All,
> 
> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 21:23:30 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:23:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65D5361D-6817-41B3-8D9D-CD5218EFF954@gmail.com>

Hi,
I was in FFA in my high school and went to a state public speaking competition. My advisor always told me several things to start with. First comes posture. Stand comfortably, although do not slouch. Keep your head up and try, although it may sound strange, to keep I contact with your audience. I accomplish this, as a person with only light perception, by constantly looking in different directions. I will focus on a particular side of the room at one point, then will turn my head slightly as my speech progresses. Next Is your voice. The reason I say to keep your head up is so that your voice will project properly out to your audience. If you must look at notecards, which can be done, but I prefer to memorize what I am going to say, you can definitely use an earbud or something similar to accomplish this task if your braille skillsare not what you think they should be. Speak clearly, but do not speak too loudly. This was my downfall at the competition. I got nervous and spoke too loudly. Although I delivered a good speech, the audience was alarmed at the volume of my speech. The next thing I will say maybe a little controversial. This involves hand gestures. I worked with a sighted person for hours on this, as I did not know what was natural and what was not. The goal is to use hand gestures to emphasize points in your speech, while making them natural and not too jerky. This can be difficult, which is why I recommend practicing a speech in front of someone who is sided who would be able to give you pointers. Finally, movement. I like to move when I speak, but, when I do, I move with purpose. I do not aimlessly walk around the space while talking.  each movement should have a purpose, either to engage with another part of your audience, or to emphasize the point. I was always told never to step backwards deliberately, but this is mainly for a competition. The last thing I will say is this. Have fun. Public speaking is great, and if you can relax, you can really get a good point across and enjoy doing it.
I hope that helps,
Aleeha

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Happy Friday All,
> 
> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 21:29:18 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:29:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4457F33-98B7-49A0-8866-F9C35D18BCB6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DE3942B6B8B643BD9F5C5386388A28DE@robert9999b7cf>

If you'd like for me to give you some tips, feel free to add me to skype, 
and I'll give you a mock speach, to kind of show you how it's done. my skype 
name is\
smallistbaby1979
RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Candice Chapman via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Shickeytha Chandler" <shickeytha at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:21 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking


> Hi Shickeytha,
>
> If you use an apple device. There's a little trick I learned from a 
> friend. If you put your notes in a plain text doc you can use VoiceOver 
> like an audio TelePrompter.
>
> Let me know off list if you want more info.
>
> Best,
>
> Candice Chapman
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Happy Friday All,
>>
>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
>> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
>> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
>> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
>> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
>> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
>> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
>> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
>> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
>> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
>> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
>> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
>> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
>> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
>> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>>
>> Shickeytha
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>
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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 22:18:48 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 18:18:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <DE3942B6B8B643BD9F5C5386388A28DE@robert9999b7cf>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<C4457F33-98B7-49A0-8866-F9C35D18BCB6@gmail.com>
	<DE3942B6B8B643BD9F5C5386388A28DE@robert9999b7cf>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBpvcNyhMdfo1v=gRo9u9pYkK-YBMpbsfc8fvMGfDA9rYCA@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks so much for all your responses. Candice, I do have an iPhone,
but haven't been using it for long. Would love to hear any tips you
have about that. I have seen the "notes" app and played around with it
a bit, but not much. Aleeha, those are some great tips for me to keep
in mind. RJ, it is very kind of you to offer to give me tips. I will
add you on Skype... as soon as I remember my password or get a new one
(I have an account but haven't used it much obviously, ha ha).

Thanks again,

Shickeytha

On 6/20/14, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you'd like for me to give you some tips, feel free to add me to skype,
> and I'll give you a mock speach, to kind of show you how it's done. my skype
>
> name is\
> smallistbaby1979
> RJ
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Candice Chapman via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Shickeytha Chandler" <shickeytha at gmail.com>; "National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
>
>
>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>
>> If you use an apple device. There's a little trick I learned from a
>> friend. If you put your notes in a plain text doc you can use VoiceOver
>> like an audio TelePrompter.
>>
>> Let me know off list if you want more info.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Candice Chapman
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy Friday All,
>>>
>>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>>> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
>>> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
>>> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
>>> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
>>> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
>>> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
>>> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
>>> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
>>> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
>>> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
>>> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
>>> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
>>> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
>>> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
>>> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Shickeytha
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 22:59:11 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 18:59:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
Message-ID: <53a4bcd8.c46cec0a.19fc.ffff90e3@mx.google.com>

Hi Shickeytha my name is Roanna Bacchus.  A few sestesters ago I 
took a communications class that involved public speaking.  
Because I have sung in front of people throughout my life I was 
comfortable speaking in front of my classmates.  A suggestion you 
might try is to type your speeches on the computer and memorize 
them.


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Fri Jun 20 23:38:05 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:38:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <53a4bcd8.c46cec0a.19fc.ffff90e3@mx.google.com>
References: <53a4bcd8.c46cec0a.19fc.ffff90e3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <93BCA394-3D31-407C-A20B-6DF6E379D0C2@gmail.com>

I think, as with a great many things, general advice can only go so far here because so much depends on your individual personality and communication style. Some people prefer to memorize their main points before hand and speak more or less extemporaneously. Some people like to write down or record their entire speech beforehand and rely heavily on that script. I myself prefer something of a compromise between these two positions; I like to have a loose outline of my speech written that I can refer to as I am talking to keep me on-topic while giving me the freedom to pretty much extemporaneously come up with the specific words I am going to use. Those are just some general ideas… I don't think one is necessarily superior to any other, it just depends on personal preference like I said. As far as the medium of notes is concerned, i'm fortunate that I was Toprail at a very young age so it works well for me. However I kno some people have figured out a way to turn the Victor Stream into "and Audible Teleprompter", I believe the specific presentation is archived as part of last year's convention but I'm not certain. If you can't find it i'd be happy to get you in touch with norm Gardner, one of the folks from my home state who pioneered and presented this method of giving speeches at national convention last year.
Best,
Kirtw

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shickeytha my name is Roanna Bacchus.  A few sestesters ago I took a communications class that involved public speaking.  Because I have sung in front of people throughout my life I was comfortable speaking in front of my classmates.  A suggestion you might try is to type your speeches on the computer and memorize them.
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Fri Jun 20 23:44:08 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:44:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <93BCA394-3D31-407C-A20B-6DF6E379D0C2@gmail.com>
References: <53a4bcd8.c46cec0a.19fc.ffff90e3@mx.google.com>
	<93BCA394-3D31-407C-A20B-6DF6E379D0C2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53E0485D-0E43-49F4-8B55-6A296288B8E6@icloud.com>

That would help me

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think, as with a great many things, general advice can only go so far here because so much depends on your individual personality and communication style. Some people prefer to memorize their main points before hand and speak more or less extemporaneously. Some people like to write down or record their entire speech beforehand and rely heavily on that script. I myself prefer something of a compromise between these two positions; I like to have a loose outline of my speech written that I can refer to as I am talking to keep me on-topic while giving me the freedom to pretty much extemporaneously come up with the specific words I am going to use. Those are just some general ideas… I don't think one is necessarily superior to any other, it just depends on personal preference like I said. As far as the medium of notes is concerned, i'm fortunate that I was Toprail at a very young age so it works well for me. However I kno some people have figured out a way to turn the Victor Stream into "and Audible Teleprompter", I believe the specific presentation is archived as part of last year's convention but I'm not certain. If you can't find it i'd be happy to get you in touch with norm Gardner, one of the folks from my home state who pioneered and presented this method of giving speeches at national convention last year.
> Best,
> Kirtw
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Shickeytha my name is Roanna Bacchus.  A few sestesters ago I took a communications class that involved public speaking.  Because I have sung in front of people throughout my life I was comfortable speaking in front of my classmates.  A suggestion you might try is to type your speeches on the computer and memorize them.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Sat Jun 21 00:09:28 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:09:28 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs
In-Reply-To: <53a498d7.827eec0a.04e8.7061@mx.google.com>
References: <53a498d7.827eec0a.04e8.7061@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C3C96C91-9739-459D-AA11-B768508F7D0E@samobile.net>

Where in Arkansas? I'm in Tulsa if that gives you a point of reference. I could theoretically go there so long as it's not too far.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 20, 2014, at 3:25 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Nabs Members,
> 
> My friend Joshua Lester needs someone from any states who have Bell programs to come to Arkansas in October.  He needs someone to talk to his state President about implementing a Braille Enrichment Learning and Literacy  program in Arkansas.  If any of you would be willing to come to Arkansas in October please respond as soon as possible.
> 
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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 01:20:20 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:20:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <53E0485D-0E43-49F4-8B55-6A296288B8E6@icloud.com>
References: <53a4bcd8.c46cec0a.19fc.ffff90e3@mx.google.com>
	<93BCA394-3D31-407C-A20B-6DF6E379D0C2@gmail.com>
	<53E0485D-0E43-49F4-8B55-6A296288B8E6@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBpuuGaWmJmiZbhx4woYLX_q5Z1z=f+H6jpjhH6H-tXznGg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Kirt! I found the presentation that you were referring to by
doing a google search. It was an excellent presentation with some
great pointers. The real eye opener for me was his point about slowing
down the speed while reading aloud instead of listening to a sentence
at regular speed and then repeating it. For anyone interested, the
presentation can be found at:
  http://www.blindhow.com/posts/734#content

On 6/20/14, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> That would help me
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 7:38 PM, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I think, as with a great many things, general advice can only go so far
>> here because so much depends on your individual personality and
>> communication style. Some people prefer to memorize their main points
>> before hand and speak more or less extemporaneously. Some people like to
>> write down or record their entire speech beforehand and rely heavily on
>> that script. I myself prefer something of a compromise between these two
>> positions; I like to have a loose outline of my speech written that I can
>> refer to as I am talking to keep me on-topic while giving me the freedom
>> to pretty much extemporaneously come up with the specific words I am going
>> to use. Those are just some general ideas... I don't think one is
>> necessarily superior to any other, it just depends on personal preference
>> like I said. As far as the medium of notes is concerned, i'm fortunate
>> that I was Toprail at a very young age so it works well for me. However I
>> kno some people have figured out a way to turn the Victor Stream into "and
>> Audible Teleprompter", I believe the specific presentation is archived as
>> part of last year's convention but I'm not certain. If you can't find it
>> i'd be happy to get you in touch with norm Gardner, one of the folks from
>> my home state who pioneered and presented this method of giving speeches
>> at national convention last year.
>> Best,
>> Kirtw
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Shickeytha my name is Roanna Bacchus.  A few sestesters ago I took a
>>> communications class that involved public speaking.  Because I have sung
>>> in front of people throughout my life I was comfortable speaking in front
>>> of my classmates.  A suggestion you might try is to type your speeches on
>>> the computer and memorize them.
>>>
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 01:23:59 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 21:23:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01cf8cef$7b0e97a0$712bc6e0$@gmail.com>

Alleha made some excellent points regarding gestures and movement. I'll add
a few more:

1. If your presentation can be divided into distinct segments, use those
transitions to move to a different part of your stage area. This will be as
much of a visual cue as a good reminder to move without wandering.

2. Rehearse those hand gestures that can emphasize points, but do not
concentrate so hard on gestures that they wind up looking robotic. For the
longest time my speech and debate coaches would try to get me to use
gestures to highlight key points in my presentations, but remember hand
gestures are supposed to come naturally. The only real way to practice
gestures is to make them a part of everyday conversation.

3. I now lead several classes at church. I memorize people's names to call
on them using a Socratic method. It keeps the audience engaged, alert, and
helps establish a stronger connection. If you're presenting to a group of
strangers, assuming you're not in a competition setting, don't be afraid to
ask the person to tell you their name after they've given you a comment as a
means to try to get to know them and maybe call on them again later in your
presentation.

4. The idea that it is okay to read your speech verbatim is rarely true.
Among those speeches I hated most at NFB seminars and conventions were those
speeches that were clearly read word for word. It's almost as frustrating as
people who read every word on their PowerPoint slide. I say, "rarely,"
because there are of course exceptions, but short of banquet keynotes and
presidential reports, always use an outline or another means of leaving
enough room to generate your own commentary or impromptu thoughts. Even
annual report-type presentations I feel should be a little looser to keep
people more interested.

5. Record yourself delivering the presentation beforehand. We are our own
worse enemy, but at least you have a rough and realistic sense of how you
might come across to your audience.

Best of luck to you,

Joe

--
Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

Visit my blog:
http://joeorozco.com/blog

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shickeytha
Chandler via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking

Happy Friday All,

I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and suggestions
for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my classes in
Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several speeches. In my
undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice to say that my public
speaking skills were less than stellar. I think part of it is because of not
feeling confident because I can't just look down and read from my notes (or
a teleprompter, lol) like a sighted person could. My Braille skills are
lacking also. I only read uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few
suggestions that I might try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible.
My VR counselor told me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to
record speeches in advance and then has headphones playing while he is
speaking, and he can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a
PowerPoint course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor
told me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be helpful to
me. Thanks in advance!

Shickeytha

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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 02:03:33 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 22:03:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <003f01cf8cef$7b0e97a0$712bc6e0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01cf8cef$7b0e97a0$712bc6e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBpsmu9eK1BjPEh_2PrZO_ZHo00v-yuth1jkAaswVMTTQ3A@mail.gmail.com>

Joe,

Thanks for the tips, especially the one about not just reading the
speech verbatim in most cases. I think it would be easy to fall into
the habit of doing that if I am nervous, but you are right that
reading speeches word-for-word is usually not as interesting or
engaging for the audience. I really appreciate all the great insight I
have gotten from everyone on this post. It helps me to feel a little
less panicky about my class and about overcoming fears and challenges
involved with public speaking as a blind person in general.

Shickeytha

On 6/20/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alleha made some excellent points regarding gestures and movement. I'll add
> a few more:
>
> 1. If your presentation can be divided into distinct segments, use those
> transitions to move to a different part of your stage area. This will be as
> much of a visual cue as a good reminder to move without wandering.
>
> 2. Rehearse those hand gestures that can emphasize points, but do not
> concentrate so hard on gestures that they wind up looking robotic. For the
> longest time my speech and debate coaches would try to get me to use
> gestures to highlight key points in my presentations, but remember hand
> gestures are supposed to come naturally. The only real way to practice
> gestures is to make them a part of everyday conversation.
>
> 3. I now lead several classes at church. I memorize people's names to call
> on them using a Socratic method. It keeps the audience engaged, alert, and
> helps establish a stronger connection. If you're presenting to a group of
> strangers, assuming you're not in a competition setting, don't be afraid to
> ask the person to tell you their name after they've given you a comment as
> a
> means to try to get to know them and maybe call on them again later in your
> presentation.
>
> 4. The idea that it is okay to read your speech verbatim is rarely true.
> Among those speeches I hated most at NFB seminars and conventions were
> those
> speeches that were clearly read word for word. It's almost as frustrating
> as
> people who read every word on their PowerPoint slide. I say, "rarely,"
> because there are of course exceptions, but short of banquet keynotes and
> presidential reports, always use an outline or another means of leaving
> enough room to generate your own commentary or impromptu thoughts. Even
> annual report-type presentations I feel should be a little looser to keep
> people more interested.
>
> 5. Record yourself delivering the presentation beforehand. We are our own
> worse enemy, but at least you have a rough and realistic sense of how you
> might come across to your audience.
>
> Best of luck to you,
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shickeytha
> Chandler via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
>
> Happy Friday All,
>
> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
> suggestions
> for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my classes in
> Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several speeches. In my
> undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice to say that my public
> speaking skills were less than stellar. I think part of it is because of
> not
> feeling confident because I can't just look down and read from my notes (or
> a teleprompter, lol) like a sighted person could. My Braille skills are
> lacking also. I only read uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few
> suggestions that I might try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible.
> My VR counselor told me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to
> record speeches in advance and then has headphones playing while he is
> speaking, and he can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a
> PowerPoint course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind
> instructor
> told me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be helpful to
> me. Thanks in advance!
>
> Shickeytha
>
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 04:19:39 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 00:19:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] skype
Message-ID: <CA19423DD3234CC8B87AD24190F13B4B@robert9999b7cf>

I'm on skype now if anyone wants to skype. My skype name is smallistbaby1979
RJ

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 05:22:57 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 00:22:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs
Message-ID: <53a516b9.6852ec0a.62a1.ffffdb19@mx.google.com>

Roanna, the Arkansas leader should contact Krystal Guillory of 
Louisiana or Kacey Robertson of Mississippi. Both of these women 
have been instrumental in the creation of many BELL programs. I 
worked at Ms. Guillory's Louisiana BELL program this summer, and 
it was an awesome experience.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:25:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs

Dear Nabs Members,

My friend Joshua Lester needs someone from any states who have
Bell programs to come to Arkansas in October.  He needs someone
to talk to his state President about implementing a Braille
Enrichment Learning and Literacy  program in Arkansas.  If any of
you would be willing to come to Arkansas in October please
respond as soon as possible.

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 16:32:42 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 12:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs
In-Reply-To: <53a516b9.6852ec0a.62a1.ffffdb19@mx.google.com>
References: <53a516b9.6852ec0a.62a1.ffffdb19@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005c01cf8d6e$6d11b630$47352290$@gmail.com>

And if they want to start a BELL Program, they need to contact Natalie
Shaheen in our national office and she will show them how to begin. Those in
Arkansas who want to begin a BELL program there may also be interested in
knowing that there are sessions at national convention for state leaders
interested in establishing the program. Check the agenda for info. Sorry to
drop this little message and run--hope it helps.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, June 21, 2014 1:23 AM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs

Roanna, the Arkansas leader should contact Krystal Guillory of Louisiana or
Kacey Robertson of Mississippi. Both of these women have been instrumental
in the creation of many BELL programs. I worked at Ms. Guillory's Louisiana
BELL program this summer, and it was an awesome experience.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:25:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message for Anyone In Bell Programs

Dear Nabs Members,

My friend Joshua Lester needs someone from any states who have Bell programs
to come to Arkansas in October.  He needs someone to talk to his state
President about implementing a Braille Enrichment Learning and Literacy
program in Arkansas.  If any of you would be willing to come to Arkansas in
October please respond as soon as possible.

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om



From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 21:18:24 2014
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (lizzy)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 17:18:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
Message-ID: <53a5f6b3.14668c0a.61ec.5f0a@mx.google.com>

Hi Shickeytha,
You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more 
tricks to add to the list.
First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do 
not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
- Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You 
mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter, 
I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading 
from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is 
pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to 
read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able 
to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus 
if you ask me).
- If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not 
necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing 
your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down 
(or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and 
explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading 
your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you 
remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and 
drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if 
you'd like for me to elaborate.
- Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I 
can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure 
way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally 
unrelated to your presentation.
- Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to 
college students in a different manner than you would third 
graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.  
Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that 
contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something 
positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice, 
posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when 
they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example, 
when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws, 
laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of 
movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones, 
etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know 
you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat 
approach.
- Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my 
opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force 
it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good 
posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look 
natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you 
would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all 
means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force 
anything.
Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific 
topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
Hope this helps,
Lizzy


From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 21:54:05 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 03:24:05 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <53a5f6b3.14668c0a.61ec.5f0a@mx.google.com>
References: <53a5f6b3.14668c0a.61ec.5f0a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADFycPaO5=bgrQF2Ooyaj4HHdybY05TntieEbK2hc+pdzrfwdw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
have given so far.
Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
convey my points more strongly.
I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
isn't something that comes to us naturally.
As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
public speaking competitions.
Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
circumvent this problem?
Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
Does anyone have any other suggestions?

Best,
Rahul

On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Shickeytha,
> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
> tricks to add to the list.
> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
> if you ask me).
> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
> you'd like for me to elaborate.
> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
> unrelated to your presentation.
> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
> college students in a different manner than you would third
> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
> approach.
> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
> anything.
> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
> Hope this helps,
> Lizzy
>
> _______________________________________________
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 23:13:22 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:13:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Any Florida stuidents from Florida?
Message-ID: <4CB50650425A4AE3AEFE9B6862F6D28F@robert9999b7cf>

Hay any Students from Florida? You may contact me off list at:
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
or on skype at? smallistbaby1979
RJ

From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 23:27:59 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:27:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
Message-ID: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using boice over?
Thanks, Kayla


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 23:33:08 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 19:33:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
In-Reply-To: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
References: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B12CF5B7-A6BE-4596-BC22-25CC6E676891@gmail.com>

Sure. I used Pages to format APA style papers in graduate school. The formatting options should give you most of what you need.

-Greg

On Jun 21, 2014, at 7:27 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using boice over?
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sat Jun 21 23:33:30 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 18:33:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
In-Reply-To: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
References: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D9B7F535-5A9E-489D-AF03-FF12DA236D1C@gmail.com>

Kayla, 

It should be. MLA and APA formatting is mostly about spacing and margins, so as long as you set those you should be okay. Don't quote me on that, though! Smile!

Best, 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 21, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using boice over?
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
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From shickeytha at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 01:27:42 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 21:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPaO5=bgrQF2Ooyaj4HHdybY05TntieEbK2hc+pdzrfwdw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53a5f6b3.14668c0a.61ec.5f0a@mx.google.com>
	<CADFycPaO5=bgrQF2Ooyaj4HHdybY05TntieEbK2hc+pdzrfwdw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFCkBptVYtj=diB544q=uWkNrE_QVyfEt-=8kXd+dAK2q75EBg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
view on that aspect.

Shickeytha

On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
> have given so far.
> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
> convey my points more strongly.
> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
> public speaking competitions.
> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
> circumvent this problem?
> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Shickeytha,
>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>> tricks to add to the list.
>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>> if you ask me).
>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>> unrelated to your presentation.
>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>> approach.
>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>> anything.
>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Lizzy
>>
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Sun Jun 22 04:22:15 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 04:22:15 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Message-ID: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students

From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 04:35:02 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:35:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
In-Reply-To: <D9B7F535-5A9E-489D-AF03-FF12DA236D1C@gmail.com>
References: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
	<D9B7F535-5A9E-489D-AF03-FF12DA236D1C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e5BpB3LOvFQVffjx__D48xNafFVqLStRfJp2dFaowZ8iw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello  Kayla Weathers,



Please also make sure you have the latest books on MLA and APA styles when
citing your sources. Most colleges have policies regarding plagiarism, so
you must watch out. If you should have any problems and need assistance you
need to contact the dean of students at your college. I hope this helps. I
would really like to know how you people use Pages to cite sources in MLA
and APA formats for publishing college research papers.



Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Kayla,
>
> It should be. MLA and APA formatting is mostly about spacing and margins,
> so as long as you set those you should be okay. Don't quote me on that,
> though! Smile!
>
> Best,
>
> Candice
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jun 21, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> > Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using boice over?
> > Thanks, Kayla
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jun 22 05:35:23 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:35:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: female roommate wanted
Message-ID: <auto-000158974905@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Respond to the individual below, not to this list.

Dave





>Hello. I’m writing from someone else’s 
>email. My email address will be below.
>
>My name is Sharon Klug. I’m looking to share a 
>room with someone at convention. I’m 58 and 
>have a guidedog (poodle) named Nick. I’m a 
>neat person and don’t like clutter. No smoking 
>either. That doesn’t bother me though.
>
>Write me at 
><mailto:sharon-klug at att.net>sharon-klug at att.net or call 817 293 2156.
>
>Sharon
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 22 06:16:10 2014
From: patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com (Sarah Patnaude)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 23:16:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1403417770.7810.YahooMailNeo@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Justin,

First, I appreciate the discussions you have and continue to seek and initiate. I have certainly seen the love you have for the Organization and the people and your passion for what we do. These discussions demonstrate your desire for an open line of communication (both between the board and the members and NABS and the National Board), something I would argue is essential to being an united Organization and progressing our movement. 

Transparency has 3 common definitions that I like to view more as components: the ability to be seen through; easily understood or noticeable; and being honest and open. Each component interlocks with the others, creating a firm foundation for building the Organization. By laying down the facts (good or bad), by sharing where the Board and Organization stand at any given moment, and by being honest with the members of the Organization, we can continue to build transparency. With transparency, we can continue to build trust, we can continue to build an open line of communication, and we can continue to build an united Organization. 

I'd like to think that we know everything that our board is up to, everything that our board decided on, and everything that happens within the Organization. However, I don't know if we do or don't. I'm not currently on the board, so I do not know how honest and open the board is. What I do know is that we need to put our trust in our board. We need to believe and support our board. I also know that there is always room for improvement. In everything we do, we can and should always strive for improvement.

Transparency is important. Being able to trust our board is important. Being able to communicate with our board and have the board communicate openly with us is important. Again, I am not saying that our board is or is not open, is or is not honest, or is or is not transparent, because honestly, I do not know. What I do know is that we should strive to become more transparent. We should continue to build trust within our Organization, continue to unite our Organization. 

Sarah Patnaude


On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:23 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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From patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 22 06:16:10 2014
From: patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com (Sarah Patnaude)
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2014 23:16:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <1403417770.7810.YahooMailNeo@web161801.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Justin,

First, I appreciate the discussions you have and continue to seek and initiate. I have certainly seen the love you have for the Organization and the people and your passion for what we do. These discussions demonstrate your desire for an open line of communication (both between the board and the members and NABS and the National Board), something I would argue is essential to being an united Organization and progressing our movement. 

Transparency has 3 common definitions that I like to view more as components: the ability to be seen through; easily understood or noticeable; and being honest and open. Each component interlocks with the others, creating a firm foundation for building the Organization. By laying down the facts (good or bad), by sharing where the Board and Organization stand at any given moment, and by being honest with the members of the Organization, we can continue to build transparency. With transparency, we can continue to build trust, we can continue to build an open line of communication, and we can continue to build an united Organization. 

I'd like to think that we know everything that our board is up to, everything that our board decided on, and everything that happens within the Organization. However, I don't know if we do or don't. I'm not currently on the board, so I do not know how honest and open the board is. What I do know is that we need to put our trust in our board. We need to believe and support our board. I also know that there is always room for improvement. In everything we do, we can and should always strive for improvement.

Transparency is important. Being able to trust our board is important. Being able to communicate with our board and have the board communicate openly with us is important. Again, I am not saying that our board is or is not open, is or is not honest, or is or is not transparent, because honestly, I do not know. What I do know is that we should strive to become more transparent. We should continue to build trust within our Organization, continue to unite our Organization. 

Sarah Patnaude


On Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:23 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
_______________________________________________
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nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Sun Jun 22 06:31:52 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 06:31:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
Message-ID: <5356d2495c694d108ba0c6470833c00c@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.

I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose some questions:

Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?

Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an organization?

Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have individual voices?

Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an organization?

I look forward to reading all provided opinions.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students

From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 06:53:08 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
In-Reply-To: <5356d2495c694d108ba0c6470833c00c@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5356d2495c694d108ba0c6470833c00c@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <7B79A924-1C76-4B9C-9C40-3ADAABE0CC26@gmail.com>

It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an individual weaker
 Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
> 
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose some questions:
> 
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
> 
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an organization?
> 
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have individual voices?
> 
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an organization?
> 
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 16:44:52 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:44:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
In-Reply-To: <000001cf8b01$902a1960$b07e4c20$@gmail.com>
References: <000001cf8b01$902a1960$b07e4c20$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101cf8e39$4ab32c10$e0198430$@gmail.com>

Justin,

If you have the 2nd generation Stream or an older model with the Softpack
installed, recordings from the Stream are in MP3 format. If they are in this
format, you can use the Stream's SD card to access the audio file on your
computer, from which you can upload it to Blackboard.

Hope this helps,

Chris

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To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard

Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
blackboard?   It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
media player or something?  Oops.  

 

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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 17:25:23 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:25:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
Message-ID: <53a7118d.48d1ec0a.3ae9.fffff1dd@mx.google.com>

I don't believe that following a leader in an organization 
infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some 
cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism 
because it allows people to meet others who have the same 
interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one 
person alone. The organization is made stronger because it 
receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept 
that those people won't always agree. An organization that 
promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes 
all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to 
accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism. 
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's 
changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a 
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So 
I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess 
that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should 
examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have 
changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like 
how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why 
we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. 
Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the 
organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an 
individual weaker
 Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Fellow Federationists:

 Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders 
and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have 
otherwise more actively embraced.

 I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand 
out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the 
leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American 
fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi 
Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, 
and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the 
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand 
that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we 
try to create a more positive image of native men than the 
stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in 
the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose 
some questions:

 Does following a leader or identifying with an 
establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an 
individual?

 Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with 
an organization?

 Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
individual voices?

 Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with 
an organization?

 I look forward to reading all provided opinions.

 Yours,

 Justin Salisbury
 Board Member
 National Association of Blind Students
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From kayleigh281 at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 22 17:28:43 2014
From: kayleigh281 at yahoo.com (Kayleigh Joiner)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show Models Needed
Message-ID: <CAAQMvFAZNJ-nbCw-ozkVk96TRKqZr+4wed3JG1F-hgxR3ovuTg@mail.gmail.com>

Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?



Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!



We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
are now being accepted for children preschool through college.





Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida

When: Wed., July 2, 2014

Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)

Room: To Be Announced



Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?



The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.



Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.comwith your child’s name and parent’s
cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
Apply early to reserve your child’s spot!



*Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!



Regards,

Kim Cunningham

2ndVP, NOPBC

Cell 713-501-9659
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 17:47:09 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:47:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
In-Reply-To: <53a7118d.48d1ec0a.3ae9.fffff1dd@mx.google.com>
References: <53a7118d.48d1ec0a.3ae9.fffff1dd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EC36155D-2BD0-48CC-914B-B2E9FA5995D3@gmail.com>

Sophie,
Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual identity.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> 
> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an individual weaker
> Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
> 
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose some questions:
> 
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
> 
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an organization?
> 
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have individual voices?
> 
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an organization?
> 
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 17:54:08 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <008201cf8e42$f7c321e0$e74965a0$@gmail.com>

Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 19:27:42 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip To
 Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
In-Reply-To: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
References: <3F7EC01E-81B5-4201-83C1-F89171A63065@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A72E2E.8030402@gmail.com>

Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending The NFB's 
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the center part 
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to Disney 
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love disney in 
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM eastern as I 
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com

Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new Snow 
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa does not. 
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes from 
the movies that have been very popular over the last several decades 
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something exciting and 
special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more in this 
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you won't want 
to miss it.

To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014

Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile device, or 
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880

So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB 
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
 From David Dunphy


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 19:31:34 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:31:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
	ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Message-ID: <53a72f2b.82a1420a.46d0.ffffb5b4@mx.google.com>


Would either link work on the Apex?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual 
Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight

Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending 
The NFB's
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out 
Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the 
center part
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to 
Disney
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love 
disney in
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM 
eastern as I
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com

Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, 
etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new 
Snow
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride.  Will loves it.  Melissa 
does not.
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes 
from
the movies that have been very popular over the last several 
decades
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something 
exciting and
special that is going to take place in July.  Can't say any more 
in this
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you 
won't want
to miss it.

To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014

Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile 
device, or
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880

So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
 From David Dunphy

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 19:39:00 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:39:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Message-ID: <53a730f0.a535ec0a.3877.0b80@mx.google.com>

Hi Justin thanks for polling the membership of the National 
Federation Of The BLIND.  I'm not a member, but I'd still like to 
contribute.  Transparency is very important to Nabs as a student 
division.  I believe we have done well with this in the last few 
years.  I believe that the federation's web site needs to be kept 
up to date regularly.  I have currently not seen anything that is 
out of date yet.


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sun Jun 22 19:51:06 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:51:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <008201cf8e42$f7c321e0$e74965a0$@gmail.com>
References: <861afa54dc714cc4a1e23dd604927cd9@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
	<008201cf8e42$f7c321e0$e74965a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53A733AA.2070504@tysdomain.com>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why 
have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous 
message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the 
NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and 
I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? 
I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks 
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical 
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, 
trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
> true sense, are we?
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
> the encouragement to continue.
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
> Federation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 20:18:00 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:18:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are
worth discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling
the membership about these things before one runs for office, because
the discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their
vision and how they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and
not just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how
can we increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that
when I joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication
between the board and membership. For example, there were no NABS
updates or bulletins except a brief presidential note in the Student
Slate that was published less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally
came out to conventions, but there were no regional reps, no list for
state presidents, etc. And elections were completely hidden. I'm
thrilled to see people openly disclosing their candidacy on-list
because this is a stark contrast to the days when nobody knew who was
running unless you happened to be good friends with a candidate or on
the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send
out board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should
happen every month. We could also consider allowing members to attend
the board conference calls and having time at the end for members to
speak up. This has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth
considering. We should ensure the NABS website is up-to-date and the
NABS notes updates come out regularly. All these projects take time
and effort. We're all volunteers, and sometimes these things get
forgotten. I would also say that communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
attempted to find out what's going on. The board can send out info,
but members also need to seek it out. The board discussion about
whether or not to let officer candidates speak on the agenda (which
started this whole discussion here) must have been documented in the
minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>> announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
>> for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
>> person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>> honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
>> expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
>> as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
>> its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
>> to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
>> here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>> stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
>> do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
>> receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
>> want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 20:18:28 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:18:28 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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Tyler,
He got you and Joe to agree with each other. Certainly that has to count for something? :-)
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
> 
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I believe that's how long terms run for.
> 
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.
> 
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying to keep your name well known.
> 
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>> true sense, are we?
>> 
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>> 
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>> 
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>> 
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> 
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> 
> 
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> Ty
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> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 22 20:30:07 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:30:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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Hello Arielle,

When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year. I
completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
contact board members all the time to receive this information.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and how
they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good friends
with a candidate or on the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: 
> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my 
> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved 
> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch 
> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social 
> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed 
> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was 
> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is 
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an 
>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not 
>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern 
>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is 
>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against 
>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any 
>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much 
>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its 
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It 
>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's 
>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so 
>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted 
>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on 
>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a 
>> similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board 
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working 
>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have 
>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner 
>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I 
>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more 
>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was 
>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we 
>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we 
>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the 
>> encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our 
>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I 
>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to 
>> build the Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>
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> Ty
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> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 20:41:45 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:41:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people
join organizations because there are clear benefits both for the
individuals in the group and the group itself. When one becomes a
member of an organization, that organization becomes another identity
the person has. Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's
other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences
with NABS leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than
what's typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization
should "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly
trust. Instead, I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve
the organization and carry out the organization's wishes. In this
role, the organization chooses its leader and then tells the leader
what should be done. In that way, a leader is "following" the
organization in that he or she endeavors to carry out the activities
that the organization identifies as important. Of course, leaders
should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
ideas and visions of their own for the organization. But the
organization's members have the power to accept or reject the leader's
new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think
the president's primary responsibility is to carry out the
organization's wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the
membership and the humility to accept opinions with which the
president might disagree. The board members serve as elected
representatives of the membership who tell the president what to do
when the entire membership is not able to meet (i.e. between
conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how things
should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my
ideas and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it
benefits an organization tremendously when members, or board members,
question and challenge the president and build on the president's
work. I don't think NABS would have gone very far during my term if my
board had blindly trusted me without questioning things I proposed or
contributing their own proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me,
but I would suggest that if you are on any kind of board or committee,
listen to what the chairperson says and try to think of problems with
their ideas or ways to make the good ideas even better. There is a way
to do this that still comes out of respect and loyalty to the
president and support for the organization as a whole. I cannot and
should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to
create a board culture where all opinions and disagreements were
appreciated. From my perspective, there was a nice bonus to that,
which was that board members felt empowered and respected so they were
willing to really work hard and follow through. A micromanaging
president risks alienating the board and, thus, getting stuck with all
the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the Federation
> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present
> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the
> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it
> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
>> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows people
>> to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a
>> group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made stronger
>> because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must
>> accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that promotes
>> individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into
>> account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its own,
>> it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few
>> years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've
>> realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that change
>> with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves to
>> see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like what
>> we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we
>> should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's
>> really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a
>> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
>> believe it would make an individual weaker
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation
>> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
>> questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I
>> appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this
>> modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit
>> in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
>> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
>> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
>> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
>> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate
>> from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be
>> the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that
>> we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create
>> a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I
>> don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind,
>> so I would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
>> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 20:45:22 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:45:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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I remember seeing minutes from last fall, but I'm not sure if the new
bulletins coming out of the communications committee have included
minutes. If this is an oversight, I hope the next board will reinstate
the sharing of minutes. If this is an intentional change, it'd be
great to know the reasons for that change.
Arielle

On 6/22/14, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year.
> I
> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
> how
> they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
> just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
> friends
> with a candidate or on the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
> communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>> similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>> build the Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>>
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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 21:12:08 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:12:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I’m not a frequent contributor to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated, hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean, Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division’s in the country, the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said “The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.” I whole heartedly agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division is perfect, and I’m certain that both of our presidential candidates have their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

--

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

 

Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 21:17:32 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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While I don’t know all of the NABS board, indeed, I did mention that in a prior email, I would still like to give you fine folks a thank you and a thumbs up.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I’m not a frequent contributor to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated, hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean, Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division’s in the country, the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said “The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.” I whole heartedly agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division is perfect, and I’m certain that both of our presidential candidates have their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

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-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 22 21:17:49 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hello Arielle,

I have always enjoyed your posts to the email list, and this one is no
exception. I think you bring up a good point about people being able to
respectfully bring up things with others in which they disagree. I know I
have struggled with this myself, and I have most likely pushed people away
as a result. However, I have learned that when you have an attitude of
simply wanting the best for the organization that it helps to make these
kinds of conversations less personal. I think when you share the common goal
of making the organization the best that it can be that it helps people find
some common ground when there are disagreements.

However, it has taken me quite some time to learn this lesson in life, so I
hope leaders in our organization can understand that not everyone may
possess this skill. As difficult as it may be sometimes, I think one of the
most important things about being a leader is being willing to listen to
everyone regardless of what they may have to say. Whether it be good or bad,
simply taking the time to seriously consider what someone has to say can
really go a long way in my opinion.

But again Arielle, thank you for providing your point of view on things as
someone who has served as a leader within this organization. I believe your
thoughts, insights, and explanations of how things took place under your
leadership is rather valuable for those who wish to become the next leader
within our organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:42 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people join
organizations because there are clear benefits both for the individuals in
the group and the group itself. When one becomes a member of an
organization, that organization becomes another identity the person has.
Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences with NABS
leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than what's
typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization should
"follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly trust. Instead,
I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve the organization and
carry out the organization's wishes. In this role, the organization chooses
its leader and then tells the leader what should be done. In that way, a
leader is "following" the organization in that he or she endeavors to carry
out the activities that the organization identifies as important. Of course,
leaders should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have ideas
and visions of their own for the organization. But the organization's
members have the power to accept or reject the leader's new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think the
president's primary responsibility is to carry out the organization's
wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the membership and the
humility to accept opinions with which the president might disagree. The
board members serve as elected representatives of the membership who tell
the president what to do when the entire membership is not able to meet
(i.e. between conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how
things should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my ideas
and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it benefits an
organization tremendously when members, or board members, question and
challenge the president and build on the president's work. I don't think
NABS would have gone very far during my term if my board had blindly trusted
me without questioning things I proposed or contributing their own
proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me, but I would suggest that if
you are on any kind of board or committee, listen to what the chairperson
says and try to think of problems with their ideas or ways to make the good
ideas even better. There is a way to do this that still comes out of respect
and loyalty to the president and support for the organization as a whole. I
cannot and should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to create a
board culture where all opinions and disagreements were appreciated. From my
perspective, there was a nice bonus to that, which was that board members
felt empowered and respected so they were willing to really work hard and
follow through. A micromanaging president risks alienating the board and,
thus, getting stuck with all the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any 
> specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral 
> norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's 
> individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the 
> official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as 
> per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest 
> of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least 
> for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of 
> the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is 
> nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes 
>> on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining 
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows 
>> people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they 
>> do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization 
>> is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different 
>> people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An 
>> organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts 
>> disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization 
>> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling 
>> individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, 
>> but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that 
>> change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine 
>> ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us. 
>> And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an 
>> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're 
>> following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association 
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 22 
>> Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to 
>> be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I 
>> do not believe it would make an individual weaker Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
>> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
>> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and 
>> establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
>> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
>> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
>> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out 
>> as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: 
>> Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and 
>> the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to 
>> help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a 
>> general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are 
>> based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger 
>> together than individually, especially as we try to create a more 
>> positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't 
>> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an 
>> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sun Jun 22 21:29:15 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:29:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
Message-ID: <53A74AAB.40200@tysdomain.com>

Hello all:
I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food 
on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to 
move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. 
This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be 
comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" 
around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He would 
physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.

Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.

This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will 
be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in 
five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my 
entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) 
and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the 
store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart 
and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly 
worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting 
to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in 
snowy weather?

My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a 
loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?

Thanks a lot for your suggestions,

-- 
Take care,
Ty
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From amc05111 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 21:33:31 2014
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:33:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
In-Reply-To: <53A74AAB.40200@tysdomain.com>
References: <53A74AAB.40200@tysdomain.com>
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Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support 
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that 
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a 
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me, 
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a 
> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in 
> a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra 
> than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a 
> lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate 
> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop 
> food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom 
> to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a 
> lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to 
> be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed 
> "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He 
> would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin 
> with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it 
> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen 
> in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order 
> my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like 
> $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up 
> to the store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get 
> a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm 
> mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough 
> and getting to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, 
> especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for 
> a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

-- 
Thank you
Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 22 21:36:06 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
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	<000c01cf8e5e$a0b06ae0$e21140a0$@com>
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Hello Gabe,

Speaking of the NABS notes, did I somehow miss the June edition of the NABS Notes, or are they still yet to come? 

However, I disagree with you some on the issues of transparency and communication with the current board. I personally have sent several emails to various board members of which I never received any kind of response. In addition, I recall an email I sent to the list last summer asking what the board had been doing because from my point of view as a general member, it did not appear as though the board was doing all that much at the time. I understand the manner in which I asked this question may not have been appropriate or the most effective, but I still have yet to understand why it would be so wrong for a general member to ask such a question when they see little communication or evidence of what the board has been doing.

While I question the timing and motivation of Justin's posts and questions to the email list, I actually find it refreshing to be able to talk about such things on the email list when it seemed as though it was shunned in the past. I am glad to hear your experience within this organization has been a positive one, but I know this is not the case for everyone. And I think everyone should be free to express their ideas and opinions regardless of how favored or popular they are within this organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I’m not a frequent contributor to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated, hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean, Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division’s in the country, the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said “The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.” I whole heartedly agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division is perfect, and I’m certain that both of our presidential candidates have their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

--

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

 

Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 22:02:04 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:02:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] To Helga
Message-ID: <C25198FCE2844988B840371C76FC4E18@robert9999b7cf>

Dear Helga, This is RJ. We just spoke on skype.
My email adress is:
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
My skype name is:
smallistbaby1979
Thanks RJ

From mistydbradley at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 22:11:20 2014
From: mistydbradley at gmail.com (Misty Dawn Bradley)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:11:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hi Ty,
I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a dorm, I 
was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's housing department 
a letter explaining that I need a room to myself because my equipment took 
up more room than what a sighted person does. I didn't even have a dog, but 
I still got a room to my self on those grounds, so I definitely think that 
you would have good grounds for requesting a room to yourself because you 
have a dog as well. When I wrote the department, I was able to get 
everything straightened out even before the semester started, so I was able 
to move in to my own room right when I moved in for the semester. The only 
thing I shared was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but 
that wasn't a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because 
I had my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have 
taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to the 
housing department or even the disability services office about getting 
these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as most apartments 
require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at least three times the 
rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for an apartment without a 
full-time job and good credit and rental history. This has been my number 
one problem with apartments, as I don't meet the standard qualifications of 
at least three times the rent, so it can be particularly hard for college 
students who do not make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room to 
yourself, it may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
Hope this helps,
Misty


-----Original Message----- 
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources

Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food on 
> the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to move 
> around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. This 
> last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be comfortable 
> with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" around the middle 
> of the semester but didn't want to move. He would physically push O'Mally 
> away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost touch 
> the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to much room 
> to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will be 
> with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in five and 
> not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my entire 
> months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) and I'd get 
> $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the store and back 
> again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to 
> and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly worried about 
> winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting to the store 
> will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular cell 
> is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a loan, 
> but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I usually get. 
> Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 22:30:32 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:30:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Hello again, 

So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a class. Here's a message about the idea from her: 

Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud. Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven’t developed the kind of speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another was being read, but it really did work well. I’d be glad to talk with anyone who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
 
Hope this is helpful for you all! 

Best, 

Candice

> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
> view on that aspect.
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>> have given so far.
>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>> convey my points more strongly.
>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>> public speaking competitions.
>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>> circumvent this problem?
>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>> if you ask me).
>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>> approach.
>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>> anything.
>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Lizzy
>>> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Sun Jun 22 22:36:09 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:36:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hello:
Thanks all for your feedback. I'll explain what I've done thus far.

At the beginning of the summer last year, I wrote to Wentworth notifying 
them that I am blind and do have a dog and requested a single for the 
space, as well as the space required for my extra equipment (brailler, 
books etc). They informed me that I could have a single in a freshmen 
dorm without a kitchen or share a room with someone. they placed me with 
an RA. When space opened up, I was shifted to another room, since my RA 
gets a room to himself for being an RA. I have repeatedly asked the head 
of the housing department for a room, via email as well as in person; he 
is fully aware of the problems I had last semester. The DS office has 
similarly refused to request a single for this instance, citing again 
the freshmen dorm across the road with no kitchen that I could move to 
if I wanted a single.

Unless there is something I can actually rely on in terms of the ADA, i 
do not believe a single is an option at this point.

Thanks,
On 6/22/2014 6:11 PM, Misty Dawn Bradley via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi Ty,
> I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a 
> dorm, I was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's 
> housing department a letter explaining that I need a room to myself 
> because my equipment took up more room than what a sighted person 
> does. I didn't even have a dog, but I still got a room to my self on 
> those grounds, so I definitely think that you would have good grounds 
> for requesting a room to yourself because you have a dog as well. When 
> I wrote the department, I was able to get everything straightened out 
> even before the semester started, so I was able to move in to my own 
> room right when I moved in for the semester. The only thing I shared 
> was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but that wasn't 
> a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because I had 
> my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have 
> taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to 
> the housing department or even the disability services office about 
> getting these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as 
> most apartments require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at 
> least three times the rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for 
> an apartment without a full-time job and good credit and rental 
> history. This has been my number one problem with apartments, as I 
> don't meet the standard qualifications of at least three times the 
> rent, so it can be particularly hard for college students who do not 
> make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room to yourself, it 
> may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
> Hope this helps,
> Misty
>
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students 
> mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
>
> Hi,
> If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
> Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
> where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
> dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
> I know.
> Ashley
>
>
>
>
> On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a 
>> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being 
>> in a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 
>> extra than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it 
>> affords me a lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone 
>> has some thoughts.
>> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
>> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate 
>> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently 
>> drop food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the 
>> freedom to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended 
>> up sick a lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was 
>> supposed to be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he 
>> developed "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want 
>> to move. He would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got 
>> to close.
>>
>> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
>> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
>> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin 
>> with.
>>
>> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it 
>> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the 
>> kitchen in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I 
>> would order my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd 
>> take like $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than 
>> getting a cab up to the store and back again. The next solution would 
>> be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which 
>> is doable. I'm mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be 
>> pretty rough and getting to the store will be hard. How have people 
>> tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>>
>> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
>> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit 
>> for a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from 
>> what I usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>>
>


-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From shickeytha at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 22:49:42 2014
From: shickeytha at gmail.com (Shickeytha Chandler)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:49:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Thanks Candice. I will have to check out that app. I am thinking of
using something like that or the Victor Stream Reader. I think I would
like the idea of being able to play my notes on the Victor
continuously and only pausing occasionally if the reader gets ahead of
me. It sounds like if I used the iPhone I would have to read line by
line and it might not be quite as easy to pause and start again.
However, I suppose I could set Voice Over to read the entire document
and then double finger single tap to pause and restart as needed, so
perhaps that would be just as easy as working with the Victor. I'm not
sure, but I think I will try to experiment a little with both options
and see what feels most comfortable to me. But at least now I am more
informed about the options that are available to me, so I don't have
to worry about delivering a speech without having notes that I can
access.

Thanks,

Shickeytha

On 6/22/14, Candice Chapman <chapman.candicel at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello again,
>
> So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio
> teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual
> state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a
> class. Here's a message about the idea from her:
>
> Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud.
> Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven't developed the kind of
> speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I
> downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create
> documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by
> line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a
> little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another
> was being read, but it really did work well. I'd be glad to talk with anyone
> who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel
> free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
>
> Hope this is helpful for you all!
>
> Best,
>
> Candice
>
>> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
>> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
>> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
>> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
>> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
>> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
>> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
>> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
>> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
>> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
>> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
>> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
>> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
>> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
>> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
>> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
>> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
>> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
>> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
>> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
>> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
>> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
>> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
>> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
>> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
>> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
>> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
>> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
>> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
>> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
>> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
>> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
>> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
>> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
>> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
>> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
>> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
>> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
>> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
>> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
>> view on that aspect.
>>
>> Shickeytha
>>
>>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>>> have given so far.
>>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>>> convey my points more strongly.
>>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>>> public speaking competitions.
>>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>>> circumvent this problem?
>>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>>> if you ask me).
>>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>>> approach.
>>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>>> anything.
>>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Lizzy
>>>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Jun 22 23:12:40 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:12:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Justin,
If I answered all that, it would be way long.
but the gist is that I believe we need a balance. Just since I join a group 
should not mean I give up my personal identity or thinking for myself.
However, joining a group should mean some comformity to some extent to form 
a cohesive group to move forward.
You should believe in the mission and most programs of the group. You should 
follow through with what you say you are doing.

Its common to think and act a group, called groupthink. We should avoid 
groupthink to its extremes, IMO, but sometimes that's a positive thing.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 2:31 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

Fellow Federationists:

Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between individualism 
and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation has been taught 
to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning the ideas 
presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this part of my 
upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead 
us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise 
more actively embraced.

I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as a 
member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have 
come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity 
(the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the 
Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from 
college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the 
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we 
are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a 
more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't 
have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I 
would now like to pose some questions:

Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization 
infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?

Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an 
organization?

Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have individual 
voices?

Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an 
organization?

I look forward to reading all provided opinions.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Jun 22 23:26:25 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:26:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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As I recall -- and I could be wrong, there was an 
article about using a Victor Reader Stream for 
this purpose a year or a hear and a half ago, or so, in the Braille Monitor.

Dave

At 05:30 PM 6/22/2014, you wrote:
>Hello again, So, there seemed to be a fair bit 
>of interest in the whole audio teleprompter 
>idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our 
>semi-annual state convention, here in Minnesota. 
>She developed the idea while taking a class. 
>Here's a message about the idea from her: Part 
>of my Writing and Zen class required us to read 
>our writing aloud. Because I learned Braille as 
>an adult and haven’t developed the kind of 
>speed I wanted, I sought out another method to 
>read my own work. I downloaded the app called 
>Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create 
>documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can 
>read the writing line by line. This allows me to 
>use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took 
>a little practice because it required me to 
>speak aloud one line as another was being read, 
>but it really did work well. I’d be glad to 
>talk with anyone who has specific questions, or 
>we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel free 
>to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net Hope 
>this is helpful for you all! Best, Candice > On 
>Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler 
>via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > > Thanks 
>Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain 
>gestures and > visual expressions don't seem to 
>come as naturally to us as to sighted > people. 
>In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) 
>lessons as part > of a music minor. The faculty 
>gave me some constructive criticism > about my 
>facial expressions and appearance while singing. 
>this was not > done in a disrespectful way at 
>all, but definitely blunt and honest. > They 
>told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing 
>and that I did not > have any facial expressions 
>to bring life to the music. I was glad > they 
>pointed this out to me because I then began to 
>be more conscious > of how I appeared during 
>performances, whereas previously I had > focused 
>only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave 
>me some > helpful tips. She told me to think 
>about the words that I was singing > as if I 
>were telling a story to someone and to think 
>about what > feelings those words would evoke 
>and let that come out naturally > through my 
>expressions. She didn't give me specific 
>instructions, such > as telling me to smile at a 
>certain point or look sad at a certain > point, 
>but rather encouraged me to let my emotions 
>become more engaged > with what I was singing 
>about and express myself accordingly. Many > 
>years ago, someone told me that facial 
>expressions come natural for > blind and sighted 
>alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as 
>well. > I personally think that the key is 
>getting yourself relaxed enough and > focused on 
>what you are talking about and 
>emotionally/mentally > connected with the 
>subject matter so that those facial expressions 
>and > gestures will occur naturally. Now this 
>probably differs in singing > and speaking... 
>For example, it is easy to become emotionally 
>engaged > when singing a song about heartbreak 
>or about love or about a happy > event. But when 
>you are giving a speech to your Economics class, 
>well > maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some 
>of the same principles can > perhaps be 
>transferred. I think this sort of goes along 
>with what > Lizzy said about being knowledgeable 
>and comfortable with the subject > matter at 
>hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the 
>gestures and > facial expressions will come 
>naturally. Again I am speaking more based > on 
>theory than from practical experience here, but 
>I do know that > these things helped me with my 
>facial expressions and gestures while > singing, 
>and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in 
>my speeches, > though it will be an entirely 
>different situation. So I hope there is > 
>something that I just said that makes at least a 
>little sense and is > helpful (smile). I would 
>love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on > 
>the matter of facial expressions and gestures 
>while speaking publicly > as a blind person, as 
>I am sure there are a lot of differing points 
>of > view on that aspect. > > Shickeytha > >> On 
>6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> This 
>is turning out to be an intriguing 
>discussion! >> I have really enjoyed reading all 
>the great suggestions that others >> have given 
>so far. >> Although I'd like to believe that I'm 
>not that bad at public speaking, >> I have been 
>told a couple of times that I should use hand 
>gestures to >> convey my points more 
>strongly. >> I have never done this because, as 
>I am sure you all would agree, this >> isn't 
>something that comes to us naturally. >> As a 
>result, I just stand still while giving my 
>speeches and don't use >> any gestures; this is 
>something that weighs heavily against me in >> 
>public speaking competitions. >> Can anyone 
>share any effective strategies that they have 
>employed to >> circumvent this problem? >> 
>Someone spoke about practicing this with a 
>sighted person. That's a >> good suggestion, and 
>I'll definitely keep that in mind. >> Does 
>anyone have any other suggestions? >> >> 
>Best, >> Rahul >> >>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via 
>nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>> Hi 
>Shickeytha, >>> You've gotten some great tips 
>thus far.  Here are a few more >>> tricks to add 
>to the list. >>> First, let me just say that my 
>tips for a blind public speaker do >>> not 
>differ greatly from those I would give to a 
>sighted speaker. >>> - Always look at your 
>audience to keep their attention.  You >>> 
>mentioned sighted people looking down at notes 
>or a teleprompter, >>> I personally dislike when 
>people do this (especially when reading >>> from 
>a powerpoint located behind the presenter) 
>because it is >>> pretty distracting to the 
>audience.  No matter how you choose to >>> read 
>your notes, you will always have the advantage 
>of being able >>> to look at your audience while 
>speaking to them (which is a plus >>> if you ask 
>me). >>> - If you do decide to use braille, one 
>tip you could use is not >>> necessarily 
>memorizing your speech ahead of time, but 
>knowing >>> your stance on a topic and perhaps 
>just writing that subject down >>> (or even 
>shortening the word to just a few letters), 
>and >>> explaining your view to the 
>class.  Since no one else is reading >>> your 
>notes, they can literally say anything as long 
>as you >>> remember what the letters/words 
>mean.  There are benefits and >>> drawbacks to 
>memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me 
>know if >>> you'd like for me to elaborate. >>> 
>- Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also 
>use inflection.  I >>> can't stress this enough, 
>speaking in a monotone voice is a sure >>> way 
>to get people to fall asleep or think about 
>things totally >>> unrelated to your 
>presentation. >>> - Know your audience and your 
>subject matter.  You speak to >>> college 
>students in a different manner than you would 
>third >>> graders which differs from how you 
>would speak to parents. >>> Likewise, you'd talk 
>about genocide with an expression that >>> 
>contrasts the one you'd have when talking about 
>something >>> positive.  Be sure to maintain 
>appropriate tone of voice, >>> posture, movement 
>etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged 
>when >>> they react appropriately to something 
>you've said.  For example, >>> when you tell an 
>anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, 
>awws, >>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's 
>appropriate.  If you hear a lot of >>> movement 
>(stretching, looking for a clock, checking 
>phones, >>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when 
>it's not flu season), you know >>> you've lost 
>your audience and it's time to take a more 
>upbeat >>> approach. >>> - Finally, and this is 
>the most important tip of all in my >>> 
>opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny 
>person, don't force >>> it.  If you're not 
>comfortable moving around, just maintain 
>good >>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, 
>these things need to look >>> natural, so do 
>whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If 
>you >>> would like to learn about gestures, 
>movement etc.  then by all >>> means, do so! It 
>makes for a great presentation, but don't 
>force >>> anything. >>> Please let me know if 
>you'd like for me to elaborate on specific >>> 
>topics! I would be more than happy to do so. >>> 
>Hope this helps, >>> Lizzy >>> >>>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 23:36:15 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 19:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] comunication with rehab
Message-ID: <5E3470F38FEE4E37AED0EBF74CD2AC77@robert9999b7cf>

Dear List, I'm RJ, and I'm now 35 years of age. I'd like to give you some tips when dealing with rehab. First, Make your vocational goal clear to your councilor. For example, youyou say you want to become a teacher. questions to be asked would be How menney courses would I need to take, and how long would it take me to obtain my ciritification? Just my thoughts. RJ

From gmanmesa at gmail.com  Sun Jun 22 23:39:03 2014
From: gmanmesa at gmail.com (garret mooney)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:39:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Message-ID: <000f01cf8e73$27a87b50$76f971f0$@gmail.com>

Hello all,

I do not post to the list very often, but I feel that I have something to
contribute to the conversation. I do not serve on the NABS board. However, I
am a student leader in my home state of Arizona where I currently serve as
student division president. 

I built several relationships with several NABS board members, which they
have gone above and beyond to help with the growth of our division. A large
part of why our division has gone from a division with only five members to
a division of thirty in the past year is because of those relations.   


I do receive the NABS notes every month and find them to be a great resource
for ideas for my own division. Due to the relationship that I have with NABS
I know that the editor Gabe Cazeres, was recently in a car accident this
past week, which he was wounded, and is working to put out the NABS notes
this week.

Regards

James Garret Mooney
President Arizona association of blind students
Board member national federation of the blind of arizona  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Victor reader streem to blackboard (Chris Nusbaum)
   2. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Sophie Trist)
   3. NOPBC Style Show Models Needed (Kayleigh Joiner)
   4. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Kirt)
   5. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Joe)
   6. OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip To
      Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (David Dunphy)
   7. Re: OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
      ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (Marissa)
   8. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Roanna Bacchus)
   9. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Littlefield, Tyler)
  10. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Arielle Silverman)
  11. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Kirt)
  12. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  13. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Arielle Silverman)
  14. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Arielle Silverman)
  15. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Gabe Cazares)
  16. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (justin williams)
  17. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  18. apartment resources (Littlefield, Tyler)
  19. Re: apartment resources (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
  20. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  21. To Helga (RJ Sandefur)
  22. Re: apartment resources (Misty Dawn Bradley)
  23. Re: Public Speaking (Candice Chapman)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:44:52 -0400
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "'justin williams'" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
Message-ID: <004101cf8e39$4ab32c10$e0198430$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Justin,

If you have the 2nd generation Stream or an older model with the Softpack
installed, recordings from the Stream are in MP3 format. If they are in this
format, you can use the Stream's SD card to access the audio file on your
computer, from which you can upload it to Blackboard.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:28 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: 'Human Services Division Mailing List'
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard

Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
blackboard?   It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
media player or something?  Oops.  

 

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:25:23 -0500
From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>,	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

I don't believe that following a leader in an organization 
infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some 
cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism 
because it allows people to meet others who have the same 
interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one 
person alone. The organization is made stronger because it 
receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept 
that those people won't always agree. An organization that 
promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes 
all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to 
accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism. 
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's 
changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a 
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So 
I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess 
that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should 
examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have 
changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like 
how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why 
we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. 
Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the 
organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an 
individual weaker
 Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Fellow Federationists:

 Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders 
and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have 
otherwise more actively embraced.

 I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand 
out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the 
leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American 
fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi 
Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, 
and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the 
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand 
that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we 
try to create a more positive image of native men than the 
stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in 
the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose 
some questions:

 Does following a leader or identifying with an 
establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an 
individual?

 Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with 
an organization?

 Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
individual voices?

 Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with 
an organization?

 I look forward to reading all provided opinions.

 Yours,

 Justin Salisbury
 Board Member
 National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:43 -0500
From: Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com>
To: NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show Models Needed
Message-ID:
	<CAAQMvFAZNJ-nbCw-ozkVk96TRKqZr+4wed3JG1F-hgxR3ovuTg at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?



Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!



We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
are now being accepted for children preschool through college.





Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida

When: Wed., July 2, 2014

Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)

Room: To Be Announced



Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?



The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.



Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.comwith your child?s name and parent?s
cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
Apply early to reserve your child?s spot!



*Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!



Regards,

Kim Cunningham

2ndVP, NOPBC

Cell 713-501-9659
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:47:09 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,	National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
Message-ID: <EC36155D-2BD0-48CC-914B-B2E9FA5995D3 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Sophie,
Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the Federation
on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present
a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the
vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it
is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining organizations
can actually promote individualism because it allows people to meet others
who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more
than one person alone. The organization is made stronger because it receives
input from lots of different people, and it must accept that those people
won't always agree. An organization that promotes individualism is one that
accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's changed me,
made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a lot about my abilities
and responsibilities as a blind person. So I believe that joining an
organization can and does change an individual's identity. The task of the
individual is to assess that change with the synicism that Justin talked
about. We should examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others
have changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're following
that leader and see if it's really worth it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> 
> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a
part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
believe it would make an individual weaker
> Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation
has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning
the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this
part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking
can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
otherwise more actively embraced.
> 
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
(the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from
college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we
are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a
more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
> 
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
> 
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
organization?
> 
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
individual voices?
> 
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
organization?
> 
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0400
From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
To: "'Justin Salisbury'" <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <008201cf8e42$f7c321e0$e74965a0$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.

Joe

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Visit my blog:
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
From: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, 	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
	To Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Message-ID: <53A72E2E.8030402 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed

Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending The NFB's 
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the center part 
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to Disney 
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love disney in 
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM eastern as I 
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com

Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new Snow 
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa does not. 
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes from 
the movies that have been very popular over the last several decades 
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something exciting and 
special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more in this 
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you won't want 
to miss it.

To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014

Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile device, or 
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880

So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB 
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
 From David Dunphy



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:31:34 -0700
From: Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com>
To: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,
	chris.omeally at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
	Trip	ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Message-ID: <53a72f2b.82a1420a.46d0.ffffb5b4 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed


Would either link work on the Apex?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual 
Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight

Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending 
The NFB's
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out 
Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the 
center part
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to 
Disney
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love 
disney in
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM 
eastern as I
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com

Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, 
etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new 
Snow
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride.  Will loves it.  Melissa 
does not.
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes 
from
the movies that have been very popular over the last several 
decades
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something 
exciting and
special that is going to take place in July.  Can't say any more 
in this
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you 
won't want
to miss it.

To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014

Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile 
device, or
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880

So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
 From David Dunphy

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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:39:00 -0400
From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <53a730f0.a535ec0a.3877.0b80 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Justin thanks for polling the membership of the National 
Federation Of The BLIND.  I'm not a member, but I'd still like to 
contribute.  Transparency is very important to Nabs as a student 
division.  I believe we have done well with this in the last few 
years.  I believe that the federation's web site needs to be kept 
up to date regularly.  I have currently not seen anything that is 
out of date yet.



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:51:06 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <53A733AA.2070504 at tysdomain.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why 
have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous 
message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the 
NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and 
I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? 
I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks 
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical 
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, 
trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
> true sense, are we?
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
> the encouragement to continue.
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
> Federation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
dares not reason is a slave.




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:18:00 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID:
	<CALAYQJDXuyQspDCJUw9dn3tMn876E0bShODaV6tMt0zB860Pug at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are
worth discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling
the membership about these things before one runs for office, because
the discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their
vision and how they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and
not just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how
can we increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that
when I joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication
between the board and membership. For example, there were no NABS
updates or bulletins except a brief presidential note in the Student
Slate that was published less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally
came out to conventions, but there were no regional reps, no list for
state presidents, etc. And elections were completely hidden. I'm
thrilled to see people openly disclosing their candidacy on-list
because this is a stark contrast to the days when nobody knew who was
running unless you happened to be good friends with a candidate or on
the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send
out board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should
happen every month. We could also consider allowing members to attend
the board conference calls and having time at the end for members to
speak up. This has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth
considering. We should ensure the NABS website is up-to-date and the
NABS notes updates come out regularly. All these projects take time
and effort. We're all volunteers, and sometimes these things get
forgotten. I would also say that communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
attempted to find out what's going on. The board can send out info,
but members also need to seek it out. The board discussion about
whether or not to let officer candidates speak on the agenda (which
started this whole discussion here) must have been documented in the
minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>> announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
>> for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
>> person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>> honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
>> expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
>> as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
>> its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
>> to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
>> here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>> stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
>> do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
>> receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
>> want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>>
>>
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:18:28 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: "tyler at tysdomain.com" <tyler at tysdomain.com>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <9382FE14-97BE-42F3-A820-043B6A252D2F at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Tyler,
He got you and Joe to agree with each other. Certainly that has to count for
something? :-)
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
> 
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
> 
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
> 
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
> 
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
>> true sense, are we?
>> 
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>> 
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>> 
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>> 
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that dares not reason is a slave.
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:30:07 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS33092E85E82C171A85218C5BA1C0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello Arielle,

When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year. I
completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
contact board members all the time to receive this information.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and how
they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good friends
with a candidate or on the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: 
> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my 
> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved 
> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch 
> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social 
> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed 
> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was 
> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is 
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an 
>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not 
>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern 
>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is 
>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against 
>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any 
>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much 
>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its 
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It 
>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's 
>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so 
>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted 
>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on 
>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a 
>> similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board 
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working 
>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have 
>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner 
>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I 
>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more 
>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was 
>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we 
>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we 
>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the 
>> encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our 
>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I 
>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to 
>> build the Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.
>> com
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; 
> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:41:45 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>, 	National Association of Blind
	Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people
join organizations because there are clear benefits both for the
individuals in the group and the group itself. When one becomes a
member of an organization, that organization becomes another identity
the person has. Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's
other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences
with NABS leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than
what's typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization
should "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly
trust. Instead, I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve
the organization and carry out the organization's wishes. In this
role, the organization chooses its leader and then tells the leader
what should be done. In that way, a leader is "following" the
organization in that he or she endeavors to carry out the activities
that the organization identifies as important. Of course, leaders
should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
ideas and visions of their own for the organization. But the
organization's members have the power to accept or reject the leader's
new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think
the president's primary responsibility is to carry out the
organization's wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the
membership and the humility to accept opinions with which the
president might disagree. The board members serve as elected
representatives of the membership who tell the president what to do
when the entire membership is not able to meet (i.e. between
conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how things
should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my
ideas and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it
benefits an organization tremendously when members, or board members,
question and challenge the president and build on the president's
work. I don't think NABS would have gone very far during my term if my
board had blindly trusted me without questioning things I proposed or
contributing their own proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me,
but I would suggest that if you are on any kind of board or committee,
listen to what the chairperson says and try to think of problems with
their ideas or ways to make the good ideas even better. There is a way
to do this that still comes out of respect and loyalty to the
president and support for the organization as a whole. I cannot and
should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to
create a board culture where all opinions and disagreements were
appreciated. From my perspective, there was a nice bonus to that,
which was that board members felt empowered and respected so they were
willing to really work hard and follow through. A micromanaging
president risks alienating the board and, thus, getting stuck with all
the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the
Federation
> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to
present
> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support
the
> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but
it
> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
>> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows people
>> to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a
>> group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made
stronger
>> because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must
>> accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that
promotes
>> individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into
>> account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its own,
>> it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few
>> years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've
>> realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
change
>> with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves
to
>> see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like what
>> we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we
>> should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's
>> really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be
a
>> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
>> believe it would make an individual weaker
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
generation
>> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
>> questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I
>> appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this
>> modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an
outfit
>> in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
>> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I
have
>> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
>> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
>> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate
>> from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be
>> the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
that
>> we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to
create
>> a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I
>> don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the
Blind,
>> so I would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
>> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:45:22 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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I remember seeing minutes from last fall, but I'm not sure if the new
bulletins coming out of the communications committee have included
minutes. If this is an oversight, I hope the next board will reinstate
the sharing of minutes. If this is an intentional change, it'd be
great to know the reasons for that change.
Arielle

On 6/22/14, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of
time,
> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year.
> I
> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information
that
> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of
information
> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
> how
> they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
> just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between
the
> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
> friends
> with a candidate or on the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen
every
> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
> communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole
discussion
> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>> similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>> build the Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:12:08 -0500
From: "Gabe Cazares" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

--

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

 

Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:32 -0400
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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While I don?t know all of the NABS board, indeed, I did mention that in a
prior email, I would still like to give you fine folks a thank you and a
thumbs up.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

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Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:49 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hello Arielle,

I have always enjoyed your posts to the email list, and this one is no
exception. I think you bring up a good point about people being able to
respectfully bring up things with others in which they disagree. I know I
have struggled with this myself, and I have most likely pushed people away
as a result. However, I have learned that when you have an attitude of
simply wanting the best for the organization that it helps to make these
kinds of conversations less personal. I think when you share the common goal
of making the organization the best that it can be that it helps people find
some common ground when there are disagreements.

However, it has taken me quite some time to learn this lesson in life, so I
hope leaders in our organization can understand that not everyone may
possess this skill. As difficult as it may be sometimes, I think one of the
most important things about being a leader is being willing to listen to
everyone regardless of what they may have to say. Whether it be good or bad,
simply taking the time to seriously consider what someone has to say can
really go a long way in my opinion.

But again Arielle, thank you for providing your point of view on things as
someone who has served as a leader within this organization. I believe your
thoughts, insights, and explanations of how things took place under your
leadership is rather valuable for those who wish to become the next leader
within our organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:42 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people join
organizations because there are clear benefits both for the individuals in
the group and the group itself. When one becomes a member of an
organization, that organization becomes another identity the person has.
Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences with NABS
leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than what's
typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization should
"follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly trust. Instead,
I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve the organization and
carry out the organization's wishes. In this role, the organization chooses
its leader and then tells the leader what should be done. In that way, a
leader is "following" the organization in that he or she endeavors to carry
out the activities that the organization identifies as important. Of course,
leaders should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have ideas
and visions of their own for the organization. But the organization's
members have the power to accept or reject the leader's new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think the
president's primary responsibility is to carry out the organization's
wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the membership and the
humility to accept opinions with which the president might disagree. The
board members serve as elected representatives of the membership who tell
the president what to do when the entire membership is not able to meet
(i.e. between conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how
things should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my ideas
and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it benefits an
organization tremendously when members, or board members, question and
challenge the president and build on the president's work. I don't think
NABS would have gone very far during my term if my board had blindly trusted
me without questioning things I proposed or contributing their own
proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me, but I would suggest that if
you are on any kind of board or committee, listen to what the chairperson
says and try to think of problems with their ideas or ways to make the good
ideas even better. There is a way to do this that still comes out of respect
and loyalty to the president and support for the organization as a whole. I
cannot and should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to create a
board culture where all opinions and disagreements were appreciated. From my
perspective, there was a nice bonus to that, which was that board members
felt empowered and respected so they were willing to really work hard and
follow through. A micromanaging president risks alienating the board and,
thus, getting stuck with all the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any 
> specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral 
> norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's 
> individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the 
> official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as 
> per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest 
> of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least 
> for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of 
> the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is 
> nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes 
>> on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining 
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows 
>> people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they 
>> do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization 
>> is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different 
>> people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An 
>> organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts 
>> disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization 
>> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling 
>> individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, 
>> but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that 
>> change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine 
>> ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us. 
>> And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an 
>> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're 
>> following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association 
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 22 
>> Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to 
>> be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I 
>> do not believe it would make an individual weaker Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
>> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
>> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and 
>> establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
>> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
>> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
>> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out 
>> as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: 
>> Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and 
>> the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to 
>> help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a 
>> general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are 
>> based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger 
>> together than individually, especially as we try to create a more 
>> positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't 
>> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an 
>> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:29:15 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hello all:
I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food 
on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to 
move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. 
This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be 
comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" 
around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He would 
physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.

Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.

This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will 
be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in 
five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my 
entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) 
and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the 
store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart 
and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly 
worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting 
to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in 
snowy weather?

My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a 
loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?

Thanks a lot for your suggestions,

-- 
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Ty
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dares not reason is a slave.




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:33:31 -0400
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
Message-ID: <53A74BAB.50603 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support 
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that 
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a 
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me, 
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a 
> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in 
> a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra 
> than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a 
> lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate 
> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop 
> food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom 
> to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a 
> lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to 
> be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed 
> "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He 
> would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin 
> with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it 
> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen 
> in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order 
> my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like 
> $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up 
> to the store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get 
> a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm 
> mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough 
> and getting to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, 
> especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for 
> a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

-- 
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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Hello Gabe,

Speaking of the NABS notes, did I somehow miss the June edition of the NABS
Notes, or are they still yet to come? 

However, I disagree with you some on the issues of transparency and
communication with the current board. I personally have sent several emails
to various board members of which I never received any kind of response. In
addition, I recall an email I sent to the list last summer asking what the
board had been doing because from my point of view as a general member, it
did not appear as though the board was doing all that much at the time. I
understand the manner in which I asked this question may not have been
appropriate or the most effective, but I still have yet to understand why it
would be so wrong for a general member to ask such a question when they see
little communication or evidence of what the board has been doing.

While I question the timing and motivation of Justin's posts and questions
to the email list, I actually find it refreshing to be able to talk about
such things on the email list when it seemed as though it was shunned in the
past. I am glad to hear your experience within this organization has been a
positive one, but I know this is not the case for everyone. And I think
everyone should be free to express their ideas and opinions regardless of
how favored or popular they are within this organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

--

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Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

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Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:02:04 -0400
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] To Helga
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Dear Helga, This is RJ. We just spoke on skype.
My email adress is:
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
My skype name is:
smallistbaby1979
Thanks RJ

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:11:20 -0500
From: Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
To: "Ashley and Landon Coleman" <amc05111 at gmail.com>,	"National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hi Ty,
I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a dorm, I 
was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's housing department 
a letter explaining that I need a room to myself because my equipment took 
up more room than what a sighted person does. I didn't even have a dog, but 
I still got a room to my self on those grounds, so I definitely think that 
you would have good grounds for requesting a room to yourself because you 
have a dog as well. When I wrote the department, I was able to get 
everything straightened out even before the semester started, so I was able 
to move in to my own room right when I moved in for the semester. The only 
thing I shared was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but 
that wasn't a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because 
I had my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have 
taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to the 
housing department or even the disability services office about getting 
these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as most apartments 
require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at least three times the 
rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for an apartment without a 
full-time job and good credit and rental history. This has been my number 
one problem with apartments, as I don't meet the standard qualifications of 
at least three times the rent, so it can be particularly hard for college 
students who do not make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room to

yourself, it may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
Hope this helps,
Misty


-----Original Message----- 
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources

Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food on 
> the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to move 
> around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. This 
> last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be comfortable 
> with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" around the middle

> of the semester but didn't want to move. He would physically push O'Mally 
> away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost touch

> the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to much room 
> to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will be

> with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in five and

> not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my entire 
> months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) and I'd get

> $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the store and back

> again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to 
> and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly worried about 
> winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting to the store 
> will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular cell

> is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a loan, 
> but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I usually get.

> Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

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Thank you
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:30:32 -0500
From: Candice Chapman <chapman.candicel at gmail.com>
To: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Hello again, 

So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio
teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual
state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a
class. Here's a message about the idea from her: 

Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud.
Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven?t developed the kind of
speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I
downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create
documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by
line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a
little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another
was being read, but it really did work well. I?d be glad to talk with anyone
who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel
free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
 
Hope this is helpful for you all! 

Best, 

Candice

> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
> view on that aspect.
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>> have given so far.
>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>> convey my points more strongly.
>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>> public speaking competitions.
>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>> circumvent this problem?
>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>> if you ask me).
>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>> approach.
>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>> anything.
>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Lizzy
>>> 
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 00:29:26 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 20:29:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
Message-ID: <5ADD159DF3E54B01B567117E722C5995@robert9999b7cf>

I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even becoming employed! RJ

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 00:55:51 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 20:55:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
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References: <5ADD159DF3E54B01B567117E722C5995@robert9999b7cf>
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Hello RJ,
Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even becoming employed! RJ
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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 01:44:35 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 20:44:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <000f01cf8e73$27a87b50$76f971f0$@gmail.com>
References: <000f01cf8e73$27a87b50$76f971f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001cf8e84$b05bd7b0$11138710$@com>

Dear Garret, Elizabeth, and All:
I'm sorry your experiences with NABS leadership have differed from mine
Elizabeth. I know my fellow Board Members do their best to reach out to our
members and answer questions as quickly as they can.
As far as the NABS Notes are concerned, I strive to send them out by the
second Sunday of every month. Seeing how the second Sunday this month was
Father's Day, I was planning on getting them out the next day. As Garret has
already informed everyone, my parents and I were involved in a car accident
last Sunday, so I've been MIA this past week. I'm just now catching up with
school and NFB work, thankfully the accident wasn't as severe as it could
have been, so I'm hoping to be fully recovered by convention.
In the time I've been out, I've received last-minute announcements from
several student divisions that I do plan to include in the NABS Notes.
Expect to have them by the end of the week.
If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me.
Warm regards,

...Gabe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of garret mooney
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:39 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Hello all,

I do not post to the list very often, but I feel that I have something to
contribute to the conversation. I do not serve on the NABS board. However, I
am a student leader in my home state of Arizona where I currently serve as
student division president. 

I built several relationships with several NABS board members, which they
have gone above and beyond to help with the growth of our division. A large
part of why our division has gone from a division with only five members to
a division of thirty in the past year is because of those relations.   


I do receive the NABS notes every month and find them to be a great resource
for ideas for my own division. Due to the relationship that I have with NABS
I know that the editor Gabe Cazeres, was recently in a car accident this
past week, which he was wounded, and is working to put out the NABS notes
this week.

Regards

James Garret Mooney
President Arizona association of blind students
Board member national federation of the blind of arizona  

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Victor reader streem to blackboard (Chris Nusbaum)
   2. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Sophie Trist)
   3. NOPBC Style Show Models Needed (Kayleigh Joiner)
   4. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Kirt)
   5. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Joe)
   6. OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip To
      Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (David Dunphy)
   7. Re: OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
      ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (Marissa)
   8. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Roanna Bacchus)
   9. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Littlefield, Tyler)
  10. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Arielle Silverman)
  11. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Kirt)
  12. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  13. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Arielle Silverman)
  14. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Arielle Silverman)
  15. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Gabe Cazares)
  16. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (justin williams)
  17. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  18. apartment resources (Littlefield, Tyler)
  19. Re: apartment resources (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
  20. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
      (Elizabeth Mohnke)
  21. To Helga (RJ Sandefur)
  22. Re: apartment resources (Misty Dawn Bradley)
  23. Re: Public Speaking (Candice Chapman)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:44:52 -0400
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "'justin williams'" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
Message-ID: <004101cf8e39$4ab32c10$e0198430$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Justin,

If you have the 2nd generation Stream or an older model with the Softpack
installed, recordings from the Stream are in MP3 format. If they are in this
format, you can use the Stream's SD card to access the audio file on your
computer, from which you can upload it to Blackboard.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:28 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: 'Human Services Division Mailing List'
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard

Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
blackboard?   It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
media player or something?  Oops.  

 

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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:25:23 -0500
From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>,	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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I don't believe that following a leader in an organization 
infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some 
cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism 
because it allows people to meet others who have the same 
interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one 
person alone. The organization is made stronger because it 
receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept 
that those people won't always agree. An organization that 
promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes 
all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to 
accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism. 
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's 
changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a 
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So 
I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess 
that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should 
examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have 
changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like 
how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why 
we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. 
Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the 
organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an 
individual weaker
 Thank you.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Fellow Federationists:

 Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders 
and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have 
otherwise more actively embraced.

 I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand 
out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the 
leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American 
fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi 
Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college, 
and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the 
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand 
that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we 
try to create a more positive image of native men than the 
stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in 
the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose 
some questions:

 Does following a leader or identifying with an 
establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an 
individual?

 Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with 
an organization?

 Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
individual voices?

 Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with 
an organization?

 I look forward to reading all provided opinions.

 Yours,

 Justin Salisbury
 Board Member
 National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:43 -0500
From: Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com>
To: NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show Models Needed
Message-ID:
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Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?



Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!



We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
are now being accepted for children preschool through college.





Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida

When: Wed., July 2, 2014

Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)

Room: To Be Announced



Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?



The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.



Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.comwith your child?s name and parent?s
cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
Apply early to reserve your child?s spot!



*Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!



Regards,

Kim Cunningham

2ndVP, NOPBC

Cell 713-501-9659
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:47:09 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,	National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
Message-ID: <EC36155D-2BD0-48CC-914B-B2E9FA5995D3 at gmail.com>
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Sophie,
Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the Federation
on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present
a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the
vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it
is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining organizations
can actually promote individualism because it allows people to meet others
who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more
than one person alone. The organization is made stronger because it receives
input from lots of different people, and it must accept that those people
won't always agree. An organization that promotes individualism is one that
accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's changed me,
made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a lot about my abilities
and responsibilities as a blind person. So I believe that joining an
organization can and does change an individual's identity. The task of the
individual is to assess that change with the synicism that Justin talked
about. We should examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others
have changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're following
that leader and see if it's really worth it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> 
> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a
part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
believe it would make an individual weaker
> Thank you.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation
has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning
the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this
part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking
can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
otherwise more actively embraced.
> 
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
(the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from
college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we
are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a
more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
> 
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
> 
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
organization?
> 
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
individual voices?
> 
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
organization?
> 
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0400
From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
To: "'Justin Salisbury'" <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"

Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Fellow Federationists:

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
From: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, 	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
	To Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Message-ID: <53A72E2E.8030402 at gmail.com>
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Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending The NFB's 
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the center part 
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to Disney 
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love disney in 
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM eastern as I 
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com

Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new Snow 
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa does not. 
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes from 
the movies that have been very popular over the last several decades 
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something exciting and 
special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more in this 
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you won't want 
to miss it.

To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014

Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile device, or 
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880

So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB 
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
 From David Dunphy



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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:31:34 -0700
From: Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com>
To: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,
	chris.omeally at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
	Trip	ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Message-ID: <53a72f2b.82a1420a.46d0.ffffb5b4 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed


Would either link work on the Apex?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual 
Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight

Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending 
The NFB's
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out 
Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the 
center part
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to 
Disney
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love 
disney in
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM 
eastern as I
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Join us as we will...

Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, 
etc

We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new 
Snow
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride.  Will loves it.  Melissa 
does not.
Hear their thoughts.

Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes 
from
the movies that have been very popular over the last several 
decades
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something 
exciting and
special that is going to take place in July.  Can't say any more 
in this
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you 
won't want
to miss it.

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So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:39:00 -0400
From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <53a730f0.a535ec0a.3877.0b80 at mx.google.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi Justin thanks for polling the membership of the National 
Federation Of The BLIND.  I'm not a member, but I'd still like to 
contribute.  Transparency is very important to Nabs as a student 
division.  I believe we have done well with this in the last few 
years.  I believe that the federation's web site needs to be kept 
up to date regularly.  I have currently not seen anything that is 
out of date yet.



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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:51:06 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <53A733AA.2070504 at tysdomain.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why 
have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous 
message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the 
NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and 
I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? 
I believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
at the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks 
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical 
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, 
trying to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
> true sense, are we?
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
> the encouragement to continue.
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
> Federation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
dares not reason is a slave.




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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:18:00 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID:
	<CALAYQJDXuyQspDCJUw9dn3tMn876E0bShODaV6tMt0zB860Pug at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are
worth discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling
the membership about these things before one runs for office, because
the discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their
vision and how they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and
not just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how
can we increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that
when I joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication
between the board and membership. For example, there were no NABS
updates or bulletins except a brief presidential note in the Student
Slate that was published less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally
came out to conventions, but there were no regional reps, no list for
state presidents, etc. And elections were completely hidden. I'm
thrilled to see people openly disclosing their candidacy on-list
because this is a stark contrast to the days when nobody knew who was
running unless you happened to be good friends with a candidate or on
the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send
out board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should
happen every month. We could also consider allowing members to attend
the board conference calls and having time at the end for members to
speak up. This has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth
considering. We should ensure the NABS website is up-to-date and the
NABS notes updates come out regularly. All these projects take time
and effort. We're all volunteers, and sometimes these things get
forgotten. I would also say that communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
attempted to find out what's going on. The board can send out info,
but members also need to seek it out. The board discussion about
whether or not to let officer candidates speak on the agenda (which
started this whole discussion here) must have been documented in the
minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>> announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
>> for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
>> person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>> honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
>> expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
>> as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
>> its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
>> to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
>> here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>> stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
>> do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
>> receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
>> want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:18:28 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: "tyler at tysdomain.com" <tyler at tysdomain.com>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <9382FE14-97BE-42F3-A820-043B6A252D2F at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Tyler,
He got you and Joe to agree with each other. Certainly that has to count for
something? :-)
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
> 
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
> 
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
> 
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
> 
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
>> true sense, are we?
>> 
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>> 
>> Fellow Federationists:
>> 
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>> 
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>> 
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>> 
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> 
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
nabs-l:
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that dares not reason is a slave.
> 
> 
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:30:07 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS33092E85E82C171A85218C5BA1C0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Hello Arielle,

When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year. I
completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
contact board members all the time to receive this information.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Hi Justin and all,

While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and how
they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
just in the context of campaigning.

Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good friends
with a candidate or on the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has 
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or 
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that 
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this 
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: 
> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my 
> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved 
> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch 
> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be 
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but 
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social 
> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed 
> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was 
> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is 
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is 
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an 
>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not 
>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern 
>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is 
>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against 
>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any 
>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much 
>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its 
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It 
>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's 
>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin 
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so 
>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted 
>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on 
>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a 
>> similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board 
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working 
>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have 
>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner 
>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I 
>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more 
>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was 
>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we 
>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we 
>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the 
>> encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our 
>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I 
>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to 
>> build the Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:41:45 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>, 	National Association of Blind
	Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people
join organizations because there are clear benefits both for the
individuals in the group and the group itself. When one becomes a
member of an organization, that organization becomes another identity
the person has. Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's
other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences
with NABS leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than
what's typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization
should "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly
trust. Instead, I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve
the organization and carry out the organization's wishes. In this
role, the organization chooses its leader and then tells the leader
what should be done. In that way, a leader is "following" the
organization in that he or she endeavors to carry out the activities
that the organization identifies as important. Of course, leaders
should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
ideas and visions of their own for the organization. But the
organization's members have the power to accept or reject the leader's
new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think
the president's primary responsibility is to carry out the
organization's wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the
membership and the humility to accept opinions with which the
president might disagree. The board members serve as elected
representatives of the membership who tell the president what to do
when the entire membership is not able to meet (i.e. between
conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how things
should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my
ideas and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it
benefits an organization tremendously when members, or board members,
question and challenge the president and build on the president's
work. I don't think NABS would have gone very far during my term if my
board had blindly trusted me without questioning things I proposed or
contributing their own proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me,
but I would suggest that if you are on any kind of board or committee,
listen to what the chairperson says and try to think of problems with
their ideas or ways to make the good ideas even better. There is a way
to do this that still comes out of respect and loyalty to the
president and support for the organization as a whole. I cannot and
should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to
create a board culture where all opinions and disagreements were
appreciated. From my perspective, there was a nice bonus to that,
which was that board members felt empowered and respected so they were
willing to really work hard and follow through. A micromanaging
president risks alienating the board and, thus, getting stuck with all
the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the
Federation
> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to
present
> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support
the
> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but
it
> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
>> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows people
>> to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a
>> group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made
stronger
>> because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must
>> accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that
promotes
>> individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into
>> account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its own,
>> it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few
>> years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've
>> realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
change
>> with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves
to
>> see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like what
>> we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we
>> should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's
>> really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be
a
>> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
>> believe it would make an individual weaker
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
generation
>> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
>> questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I
>> appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this
>> modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an
outfit
>> in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
>> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I
have
>> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
>> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
>> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate
>> from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be
>> the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
that
>> we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to
create
>> a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I
>> don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the
Blind,
>> so I would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
>> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:45:22 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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I remember seeing minutes from last fall, but I'm not sure if the new
bulletins coming out of the communications committee have included
minutes. If this is an oversight, I hope the next board will reinstate
the sharing of minutes. If this is an intentional change, it'd be
great to know the reasons for that change.
Arielle

On 6/22/14, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of
time,
> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year.
> I
> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information
that
> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of
information
> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
> how
> they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
> just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between
the
> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
> friends
> with a candidate or on the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen
every
> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
> communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole
discussion
> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>> similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>> build the Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:12:08 -0500
From: "Gabe Cazares" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

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Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:32 -0400
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
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While I don?t know all of the NABS board, indeed, I did mention that in a
prior email, I would still like to give you fine folks a thank you and a
thumbs up.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

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Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:49 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hello Arielle,

I have always enjoyed your posts to the email list, and this one is no
exception. I think you bring up a good point about people being able to
respectfully bring up things with others in which they disagree. I know I
have struggled with this myself, and I have most likely pushed people away
as a result. However, I have learned that when you have an attitude of
simply wanting the best for the organization that it helps to make these
kinds of conversations less personal. I think when you share the common goal
of making the organization the best that it can be that it helps people find
some common ground when there are disagreements.

However, it has taken me quite some time to learn this lesson in life, so I
hope leaders in our organization can understand that not everyone may
possess this skill. As difficult as it may be sometimes, I think one of the
most important things about being a leader is being willing to listen to
everyone regardless of what they may have to say. Whether it be good or bad,
simply taking the time to seriously consider what someone has to say can
really go a long way in my opinion.

But again Arielle, thank you for providing your point of view on things as
someone who has served as a leader within this organization. I believe your
thoughts, insights, and explanations of how things took place under your
leadership is rather valuable for those who wish to become the next leader
within our organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:42 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader

Hi all,

I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people join
organizations because there are clear benefits both for the individuals in
the group and the group itself. When one becomes a member of an
organization, that organization becomes another identity the person has.
Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences with NABS
leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than what's
typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization should
"follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly trust. Instead,
I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve the organization and
carry out the organization's wishes. In this role, the organization chooses
its leader and then tells the leader what should be done. In that way, a
leader is "following" the organization in that he or she endeavors to carry
out the activities that the organization identifies as important. Of course,
leaders should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have ideas
and visions of their own for the organization. But the organization's
members have the power to accept or reject the leader's new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think the
president's primary responsibility is to carry out the organization's
wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the membership and the
humility to accept opinions with which the president might disagree. The
board members serve as elected representatives of the membership who tell
the president what to do when the entire membership is not able to meet
(i.e. between conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how
things should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my ideas
and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it benefits an
organization tremendously when members, or board members, question and
challenge the president and build on the president's work. I don't think
NABS would have gone very far during my term if my board had blindly trusted
me without questioning things I proposed or contributing their own
proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me, but I would suggest that if
you are on any kind of board or committee, listen to what the chairperson
says and try to think of problems with their ideas or ways to make the good
ideas even better. There is a way to do this that still comes out of respect
and loyalty to the president and support for the organization as a whole. I
cannot and should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to create a
board culture where all opinions and disagreements were appreciated. From my
perspective, there was a nice bonus to that, which was that board members
felt empowered and respected so they were willing to really work hard and
follow through. A micromanaging president risks alienating the board and,
thus, getting stuck with all the work.

Arielle

On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any 
> specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral 
> norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's 
> individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the 
> official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as 
> per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest 
> of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least 
> for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of 
> the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is 
> nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes 
>> on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining 
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows 
>> people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they 
>> do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization 
>> is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different 
>> people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An 
>> organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts 
>> disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization 
>> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling 
>> individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, 
>> but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an 
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that 
>> change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine 
>> ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us. 
>> And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an 
>> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're 
>> following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association 
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 22 
>> Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to 
>> be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I 
>> do not believe it would make an individual weaker Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between 
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our 
>> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, 
>> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and 
>> establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but 
>> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to 
>> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, 
>> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out 
>> as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership: 
>> Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and 
>> the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to 
>> help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a 
>> general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are 
>> based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger 
>> together than individually, especially as we try to create a more 
>> positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't 
>> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an 
>> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have 
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an 
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students 
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:29:15 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
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Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hello all:
I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food 
on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to 
move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. 
This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be 
comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" 
around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He would 
physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.

Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.

This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will 
be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in 
five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my 
entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) 
and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the 
store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart 
and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly 
worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting 
to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in 
snowy weather?

My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a 
loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?

Thanks a lot for your suggestions,

-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
dares not reason is a slave.




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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:33:31 -0400
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
Message-ID: <53A74BAB.50603 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support 
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that 
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a 
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me, 
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a 
> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in 
> a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra 
> than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a 
> lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate 
> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop 
> food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom 
> to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a 
> lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to 
> be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed 
> "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He 
> would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost 
> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to 
> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin 
> with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it 
> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen 
> in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order 
> my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like 
> $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up 
> to the store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get 
> a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm 
> mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough 
> and getting to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, 
> especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular 
> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for 
> a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I 
> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

-- 
Thank you
Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks
Social Media Manager
http://www.blinkiechicks.com/




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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
	Methods
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS2064C1FC2A3FFF1C8CA180BBA1C0 at phx.gbl>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Hello Gabe,

Speaking of the NABS notes, did I somehow miss the June edition of the NABS
Notes, or are they still yet to come? 

However, I disagree with you some on the issues of transparency and
communication with the current board. I personally have sent several emails
to various board members of which I never received any kind of response. In
addition, I recall an email I sent to the list last summer asking what the
board had been doing because from my point of view as a general member, it
did not appear as though the board was doing all that much at the time. I
understand the manner in which I asked this question may not have been
appropriate or the most effective, but I still have yet to understand why it
would be so wrong for a general member to ask such a question when they see
little communication or evidence of what the board has been doing.

While I question the timing and motivation of Justin's posts and questions
to the email list, I actually find it refreshing to be able to talk about
such things on the email list when it seemed as though it was shunned in the
past. I am glad to hear your experience within this organization has been a
positive one, but I know this is not the case for everyone. And I think
everyone should be free to express their ideas and opinions regardless of
how favored or popular they are within this organization.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

Dear Friends,

First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.

Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.

However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.

Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.

This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.

Respectfully,

 

Gabe Cazares, President

Texas Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas

Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org

Twitter: @gmcazares

 

 

From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>

Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.

1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.

The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.

Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.

Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:



Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.

The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement

to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for

this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's

stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly

expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect

the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as

too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its

true sense, are we?

 

As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to

my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant

have got to go. It's disingenuous.

 

Joe

 

--

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

 

Visit my blog:

http://joeorozco.com/blog

 

 

-----Original Message-----

From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin

Salisbury via nabs-l

Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM

To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'

Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods

 

Fellow Federationists:

 

I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here

to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to

look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate

NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.

 

Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board

functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with

student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been

the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS

board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do

it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members

could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not

performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as

anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive

the encouragement to continue.

 

How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want

from us?  How well have we been doing with it?

 

Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will

value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the

Federation.

 

Yours,

 

Justin Salisbury

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:02:04 -0400
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] To Helga
Message-ID: <C25198FCE2844988B840371C76FC4E18 at robert9999b7cf>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"

Dear Helga, This is RJ. We just spoke on skype.
My email adress is:
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
My skype name is:
smallistbaby1979
Thanks RJ

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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:11:20 -0500
From: Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
To: "Ashley and Landon Coleman" <amc05111 at gmail.com>,	"National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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	reply-type=response

Hi Ty,
I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a dorm, I 
was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's housing department 
a letter explaining that I need a room to myself because my equipment took 
up more room than what a sighted person does. I didn't even have a dog, but 
I still got a room to my self on those grounds, so I definitely think that 
you would have good grounds for requesting a room to yourself because you 
have a dog as well. When I wrote the department, I was able to get 
everything straightened out even before the semester started, so I was able 
to move in to my own room right when I moved in for the semester. The only 
thing I shared was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but 
that wasn't a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because 
I had my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have 
taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to the 
housing department or even the disability services office about getting 
these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as most apartments 
require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at least three times the 
rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for an apartment without a 
full-time job and good credit and rental history. This has been my number 
one problem with apartments, as I don't meet the standard qualifications of 
at least three times the rent, so it can be particularly hard for college 
students who do not make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room to

yourself, it may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
Hope this helps,
Misty


-----Original Message----- 
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources

Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
I know.
Ashley




On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio 
> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty 
> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay 
> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room. 
> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who 
> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food on 
> the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to move 
> around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. This 
> last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be comfortable 
> with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" around the middle

> of the semester but didn't want to move. He would physically push O'Mally 
> away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost touch

> the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to much room 
> to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will be

> with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in five and

> not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my entire 
> months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) and I'd get

> $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the store and back

> again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to 
> and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly worried about 
> winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting to the store 
> will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular cell

> is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a loan, 
> but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I usually get.

> Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>

-- 
Thank you
Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks
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http://www.blinkiechicks.com/


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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:30:32 -0500
From: Candice Chapman <chapman.candicel at gmail.com>
To: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com>,	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Hello again, 

So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio
teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual
state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a
class. Here's a message about the idea from her: 

Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud.
Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven?t developed the kind of
speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I
downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create
documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by
line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a
little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another
was being read, but it really did work well. I?d be glad to talk with anyone
who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel
free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
 
Hope this is helpful for you all! 

Best, 

Candice

> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
> view on that aspect.
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>> have given so far.
>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>> convey my points more strongly.
>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>> public speaking competitions.
>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>> circumvent this problem?
>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>> 
>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>> if you ask me).
>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>> approach.
>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>> anything.
>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Lizzy
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 01:46:10 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 21:46:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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While I speak, I prefer to only have an outline in front of me, but as I prepare I prefer to write out the speech word for word ahead of time. This helps me get a better sense for the flow of my thoughts, let’s me work out any specific phrasing that might be important to include or avoid, and helps me balance my speech so that I don’t spend more time on the points I am more comfortable with to the neglect of other points. It also helps me gauge how much time it will take to deliver the speech. A comfortable talking speed is roughly 125 words per minute and so using word count helps give me a rough estimate. 

To build on what Joe said about gestures, if you aren’t comfortable using hand gestures, have someone help identify one or two go-to gestures to use to add emphasis. Once you are comfortable with these, you can try to build your repertoire. 

My preferred outline method is index cards with braille on them. I’m not a terribly fast braille reader either, but using short key phrases on the cards helps jog my memory if I lose my place. I honestly find the index cards most useful as I am rehearsing my speech. They help me build my memory without allowing me to rely on the verbatim speech. 

Hope this helps.

-Greg

On Jun 20, 2014, at 10:03 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Joe,
> 
> Thanks for the tips, especially the one about not just reading the
> speech verbatim in most cases. I think it would be easy to fall into
> the habit of doing that if I am nervous, but you are right that
> reading speeches word-for-word is usually not as interesting or
> engaging for the audience. I really appreciate all the great insight I
> have gotten from everyone on this post. It helps me to feel a little
> less panicky about my class and about overcoming fears and challenges
> involved with public speaking as a blind person in general.
> 
> Shickeytha
> 
> On 6/20/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Alleha made some excellent points regarding gestures and movement. I'll add
>> a few more:
>> 
>> 1. If your presentation can be divided into distinct segments, use those
>> transitions to move to a different part of your stage area. This will be as
>> much of a visual cue as a good reminder to move without wandering.
>> 
>> 2. Rehearse those hand gestures that can emphasize points, but do not
>> concentrate so hard on gestures that they wind up looking robotic. For the
>> longest time my speech and debate coaches would try to get me to use
>> gestures to highlight key points in my presentations, but remember hand
>> gestures are supposed to come naturally. The only real way to practice
>> gestures is to make them a part of everyday conversation.
>> 
>> 3. I now lead several classes at church. I memorize people's names to call
>> on them using a Socratic method. It keeps the audience engaged, alert, and
>> helps establish a stronger connection. If you're presenting to a group of
>> strangers, assuming you're not in a competition setting, don't be afraid to
>> ask the person to tell you their name after they've given you a comment as
>> a
>> means to try to get to know them and maybe call on them again later in your
>> presentation.
>> 
>> 4. The idea that it is okay to read your speech verbatim is rarely true.
>> Among those speeches I hated most at NFB seminars and conventions were
>> those
>> speeches that were clearly read word for word. It's almost as frustrating
>> as
>> people who read every word on their PowerPoint slide. I say, "rarely,"
>> because there are of course exceptions, but short of banquet keynotes and
>> presidential reports, always use an outline or another means of leaving
>> enough room to generate your own commentary or impromptu thoughts. Even
>> annual report-type presentations I feel should be a little looser to keep
>> people more interested.
>> 
>> 5. Record yourself delivering the presentation beforehand. We are our own
>> worse enemy, but at least you have a rough and realistic sense of how you
>> might come across to your audience.
>> 
>> Best of luck to you,
>> 
>> Joe
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
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>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shickeytha
>> Chandler via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 5:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
>> 
>> Happy Friday All,
>> 
>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>> suggestions
>> for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my classes in
>> Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several speeches. In my
>> undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice to say that my public
>> speaking skills were less than stellar. I think part of it is because of
>> not
>> feeling confident because I can't just look down and read from my notes (or
>> a teleprompter, lol) like a sighted person could. My Braille skills are
>> lacking also. I only read uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few
>> suggestions that I might try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible.
>> My VR counselor told me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to
>> record speeches in advance and then has headphones playing while he is
>> speaking, and he can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a
>> PowerPoint course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind
>> instructor
>> told me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be helpful to
>> me. Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Shickeytha
>> 
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Mon Jun 23 03:01:45 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
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RJ, and everyone:

I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we should depend on other means to perform academic work. Many service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to learn and produce Braille. I also often find that service providers have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech. I think of this as a difference between active reading and passive reading. If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop. When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension suffers.

I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the members of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille (I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB). We pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."

We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

Hello RJ,
Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in 
> order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on 
> our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you 
> have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget 
> about even becoming employed! RJ 
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 03:18:40 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:18:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Hi Rahul,
I think getting feedback from someone who can see is an effective strategy. Gestures and non verbals in public speaking are primarily for visual impact and so asking someone who can see if your gestures are enhancing or taking away from your ability to communicate seems reasonable. 

Some general tips though that might be helpful. Remember that hand gestures are only a part of your entire non verbal body language. The way you hold your body and head, as well as facial expressions all work together with any gestures you do with your hands or arms. Your posture should be confident but relaxed. For men this generally means shoulders back and head up, with your feet a comfortable distance apart, maybe a little less than shoulder width apart. You want to be comfortable and not rigid. Your arms should be down at your sides unless you are using them for something specific. 
The feedback about trying to make eye contact with your audience has been good. You certainly don’t want to be a pendulum, but every once and a while you should make an effort to look at a different part of your audience. You could do this every few sentences or so. I often do something early in a speech to get some kind of audience response so that I can hear exactly where everyone is. I might tell a joke or ask a question that requires everyone to respond as a whole. Being focused and aware of your audience is an excellent technique for all speakers. If you hear someone say something affirming a point you have made, or if they respond audibly in the way you wanted them too, (gasps of shock, cries of outrage, wails of sorrow, etc.) give a slight nod toward that person and a smile if appropriate as you continue speaking. These things will help build a rapport with your audience. 

On top of these things, you should add at least a small amount of movement and a few strategically used hand gestures to emphasize the important parts of your speech. Joe’s tip about using movement at transition points in your speech is good. How much or little you want to move is up to you but even taking a step or two to the side of the podium can help give emphasis to a key point or make it clear that you are “stepping out” into a tangent for a moment. If you move on a tangent, make sure you step back to the podium when you resume the main point. Stepping forward or up next to the podium can be effective as you are appealing to your audience about some point. Moving physically closer to them can create a grater sense of intimacy as you make your appeal. I don’t generally move more than a step or two in either direction when I speak but just adding that small movement changed the feedback I received from my classmates. Whatever you do, make sure you are comfortable doing it. If you feel awkward as you move, it will be distracting to you and possibly your audience.  

As to adding hand gestures, I would start by picking one or two gestures that you want to work into your repertoire and use them until they become natural and comfortable. Then you can try to add more. One versatile gesture is using a closed fist to punctuate your points. You hold your fist out in front of you as though you were going to pound it on the podium and bring it down on each key syllable you want to emphasize as though you were “hammering” your point home. That sounds really cheesy but it is a similar motion to raising and lowering a hammer, although far gentler and a much smaller range of motion. You generally don’t want to move your fist more than 4 or 5 inches from the top of the gesture to the bottom. If you actually have a podium in front of you, you may want to save this gesture for when you have stepped out to the side, or you could do the gesture above the podium but without striking it. I suppose you could also pound the podium for emphasis but the circumstances where that is appropriate are probably pretty rare. You can use this gesture for subtle emphasis by doing it at a slower pace and in a gentler manner. If you are wanting more intense emphasis, you could make the movement sharper and quicker, but probably not any bigger. For strong emphasis you could tap the bottom of your fist into your other palm in front of you. 

My temptation when adding gestures was to make them too large. Big movements can be distracting and take away from what you are saying. How big your movements need to be is also relative to how big of a person you are. If you are a tall guy with long arms or just a big guy, even small gestures look bigger. If you are a smaller person, you may need to make a larger movement for it to be noticeable and get the desired effect. 

Don’t be afraid to ask people you trust if something you are doing looks natural or is effective for communicating what you want it to. 

Reading back through this message, I’m not sure how much sense those descriptions will make to anyone else. At least I know what I meant :) Hopefully someone else can glean something useful from it. 

Best of luck in your public speaking endeavors.

-Greg

On Jun 21, 2014, at 5:54 PM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
> have given so far.
> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
> convey my points more strongly.
> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
> public speaking competitions.
> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
> circumvent this problem?
> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Shickeytha,
>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>> tricks to add to the list.
>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>> if you ask me).
>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>> unrelated to your presentation.
>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>> approach.
>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>> anything.
>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>> Hope this helps,
>> Lizzy
>> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 03:40:14 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 20:40:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS is at Convention! you are at convention! we are at
	convention! we're talking' about National Convention!
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Introducing the Nabs Membership call for June: “””Getting Ready for the 2014 National Convention!""
    Whether you have been to the National Federation of the Blind's National Convention before or this year will be your first time going, come and hear all about what makes convention fun, informative and an experience you are sure to  never forget!  Join Members of the NABS Board, as they  will be on hand to give you an overview of the convention week, and   what events the National Association of Blind Students will be taking part in.   Call in to hear about what exciting things the board as been working on, and how all who want in can get in on the various activities .. Bring your convention  questions too, because we’d all love to answer them!

When: Tuesday , June 24, 8:00 PM Eastern.
Where: Conference call: ((605) 475-6700, passcode 7869673.

Your Nabs Membership Committee


Darian Smith
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Mon Jun 23 05:40:23 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 01:40:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] comunication with rehab
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Hey RJ,
I would love to talk more about this off list. If you would like, can you email me at bridgetawalker13 at aol.com
Thanks,
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 22, 26 Heisei, at 7:36 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear List, I'm RJ, and I'm now 35 years of age. I'd like to give you some tips when dealing with rehab. First, Make your vocational goal clear to your councilor. For example, youyou say you want to become a teacher. questions to be asked would be How menney courses would I need to take, and how long would it take me to obtain my ciritification? Just my thoughts. RJ
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 05:54:07 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:54:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
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It is impossible for blind people as a whole to put braille on 
the back burner. I mean, sighties aren't saying, "OMG, who uses 
print anymore? That was so 2004." Without braille, we're 
illiterate. Braille provides us with more than just a reading 
medium. When we learn braille, we learn how to spell. We learn 
the proper usage of words. In short, we learn all the things that 
make us literate. I have a couple of friends who hate to use 
braille; they pretty much rely solely on screen readers. Whenever 
I read anything written by these friends, a little bit of my 
inner English nerd dies inside, but their spelling and use of 
language is ATROCIOUS! These kids are my age, seventeen, yet by 
their writing, you'd think they're elementary school students. I 
believe it is our duty as blind people to explain to both our own 
and the sighted that without braille, we are illiterate.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>, 
"NationalAssociation of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

RJ, and everyone:

I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations 
processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we 
should depend on other means to perform academic work. Many 
service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille 
at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to learn 
and produce Braille. I also often find that service providers 
have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading 
comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech. I 
think of this as a difference between active reading and passive 
reading. If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop. 
When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would 
stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension 
suffers.

I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of 
Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I 
want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the members 
of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille 
(I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB). We 
pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."

We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille 
on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons 
that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

Hello RJ,
Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on 
the back burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we 
use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too 
much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this 
up in
 order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending 
on
 our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and 
you
 have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can 
forget
 about even becoming employed! RJ
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 06:33:01 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa)
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 23:33:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
Message-ID: <53a7ca32.c20b450a.3cb3.2fd9@mx.google.com>


I agree with this fact about the kids writing looking like 
elementary school kid's writing.

I am on the BNU list, (as some of you know).  I am 15, but 
because of my writing skills, and the way I write, some people 
have said that they would have thought I was 20 at the youngest 
and 29 or 30 at the oldest.  Someone even said 37, but then we 
got to talking, and he realized that I was funny? Not sure how 
that
changes that, but alright.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:54:07 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

It is impossible for blind people as a whole to put braille on
the back burner.  I mean, sighties aren't saying, "OMG, who uses
print anymore? That was so 2004." Without braille, we're
illiterate.  Braille provides us with more than just a reading
medium.  When we learn braille, we learn how to spell.  We learn
the proper usage of words.  In short, we learn all the things 
that
make us literate.  I have a couple of friends who hate to use
braille; they pretty much rely solely on screen readers.  
Whenever
I read anything written by these friends, a little bit of my
inner English nerd dies inside, but their spelling and use of
language is ATROCIOUS! These kids are my age, seventeen, yet by
their writing, you'd think they're elementary school students.  I
believe it is our duty as blind people to explain to both our own
and the sighted that without braille, we are illiterate.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,
"NationalAssociation of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

RJ, and everyone:

I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations
processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we
should depend on other means to perform academic work.  Many
service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille
at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to learn
and produce Braille.  I also often find that service providers
have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading
comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech.  I
think of this as a difference between active reading and passive
reading.  If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop.
When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would
stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension
suffers.

I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of
Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I
want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the members
of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille
(I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB).  We
pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."

We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille
on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons
that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.

Yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

Hello RJ,
Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on
the back burner.  What about all the Braille  displays that we
use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too
much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004.  I bring 
this
up in
 order to pose this question.  Aren't we as blind people 
depending
on
 our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and
you
 have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can
forget
 about even becoming employed! RJ
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From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 07:20:39 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:20:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
In-Reply-To: <53a7ca32.c20b450a.3cb3.2fd9@mx.google.com>
References: <53a7ca32.c20b450a.3cb3.2fd9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tH268P84m76ms=ZZ+59Mhxv7-n4rpAR=NGL5-A71Ed8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  I know that as a college student, I haven't used much
braille, but it is very important to know.  What if people who use
computers so much, have their computers break down, then what will
they do.  I had to use a perkins brailler to do my math problems.  How
else would I have done math.  I know braille books I'd love to have
like the Harry Potter series, but I don't have the room for the books,
and they aren't being produced by the Braille Press anymore, only in
ebook format.  If only braille displays would come down in price.  I'm
hoping to get some state agency to pay for me to have a notetaker to
help me in college.  I'm trying to save up for some technology, I
don't know if it will be a braille display or not.  A 40 cell display
will cost between $3000, and $5000.  I am so glad I learned braille
growing up, I used to read books all the time when I was younger, and
have a lot of books I bought from seedlings braille books for
children.  They are one of the best places for getting childrens and
young adult books today.  They produce very high quality braille, at a
very afordable price.

On 6/23/14, Marissa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> I agree with this fact about the kids writing looking like
> elementary school kid's writing.
>
> I am on the BNU list, (as some of you know).  I am 15, but
> because of my writing skills, and the way I write, some people
> have said that they would have thought I was 20 at the youngest
> and 29 or 30 at the oldest.  Someone even said 37, but then we
> got to talking, and he realized that I was funny? Not sure how
> that
> changes that, but alright.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:54:07 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
>
> It is impossible for blind people as a whole to put braille on
> the back burner.  I mean, sighties aren't saying, "OMG, who uses
> print anymore? That was so 2004." Without braille, we're
> illiterate.  Braille provides us with more than just a reading
> medium.  When we learn braille, we learn how to spell.  We learn
> the proper usage of words.  In short, we learn all the things
> that
> make us literate.  I have a couple of friends who hate to use
> braille; they pretty much rely solely on screen readers.
> Whenever
> I read anything written by these friends, a little bit of my
> inner English nerd dies inside, but their spelling and use of
> language is ATROCIOUS! These kids are my age, seventeen, yet by
> their writing, you'd think they're elementary school students.  I
> believe it is our duty as blind people to explain to both our own
> and the sighted that without braille, we are illiterate.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,
> "NationalAssociation of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
>
> RJ, and everyone:
>
> I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations
> processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we
> should depend on other means to perform academic work.  Many
> service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille
> at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to learn
> and produce Braille.  I also often find that service providers
> have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading
> comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech.  I
> think of this as a difference between active reading and passive
> reading.  If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop.
> When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would
> stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension
> suffers.
>
> I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of
> Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I
> want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the members
> of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille
> (I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB).  We
> pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."
>
> We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille
> on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons
> that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
>
> Hello RJ,
> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on
> the back burner.  What about all the Braille  displays that we
> use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too
> much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004.  I bring
> this
> up in
>  order to pose this question.  Aren't we as blind people
> depending
> on
>  our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and
> you
>  have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can
> forget
>  about even becoming employed! RJ
>  _______________________________________________
>  nabs-l mailing list
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 07:40:58 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:40:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Come be a part of the fray;NABS needs your help today!
Message-ID: <D922EDFD-4A44-4A2D-B184-C4361A542D48@gmail.com>

without a doubt one of my biggest highlights of a given year is the time I get to spend with my  Federation family  at National Convention.  There is always so much to do, so many people to see and so much energy in the air. One of the Places where this energy is most     noticeable is amongst us in the NABS  family.
  there is always such a buzz at our meetings or around our exhibit hall table or at Monte Carlo, where so many people connect and re-connect, support our efforts as a part of our great movement.
  The best part of it all is getting to meet the great folks who give of their time to work along side our board members to make our activities a  fantastic success!
 
 This year… will it be you who’s a part of it all?
 you ask “how?” 
 I answer “read below and find out!”!
      

Hey Nabs!! 
>> As you all know, the National association of blind students is
>> planning a lot of exciting things at national convention. What you may
>> not know however is that we as a board can’t do all of it ourselves.
>> So we would very much appreciate your help in making the nabs
>> activities a success this year!
>> Where we would most appreciate your assistance is in three areas
> 1: marshalers for the NABS meeting.   
> They  are the few, the proud,   the people who make sure you know  where the action is. 
> They help you find the right line to stand in.   Without them, we don't know how the night might go.
> five to ten people are needed for the NABS meeting    
> 
> 2.
>> .  Assistance in staffing the nabs table located in the exhibit hall.
>> Here you will be partnered up with a nabs board member selling   nabs
>> items and handing out nabs literature.  The schedule for tabling looks
>> like this:
> Wednesday,
>> July 2:
>> .
>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>> 3:00p.m. – 5:00 p.m.
>> Thursday, July 3:
>> 8:30 a.m. – 11:00 a.m.
>> 11:00 a.m. – 1:00 p.m.
>> 1:00 p.m. – 3:00 p.m.
>> .
>> Friday, July 4:
>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m.
>> .
>> Saturday, July 5:
>> 12 noon – 1:45 p.m
>> 6:00p.m. – 8:30 p.m.
>> 
>> 
>> As you can see, we have eleven shifts, so if you contact me with your
>> preference, I will be more than happy to get you scheduled in!
>> 
>> 3. Staffing the nabs Monte Carlo night fund raiser. This is a great
>> opportunity to work shoulder to shoulder with us in putting together
>> one of our most successful events that we do.  For this we will need:
>> Individuals who can work an early shift (7:00 p.m. - 9:30 p.m.  Those
>> individuals will be asked to either
>> a. Marshal.
>> b. Set up for the event
>> c. Deal card games( blackjack, poker, holdemand other such games)
>> We will also need Late shift workers (9:30 p.m. – 12:00 a.m.)  Those
>> individuals would be asked to:
>> a. deal card games (blackjack, poker, holdem and other such games)
>> b. Assist with event clean- up and playing chip counting.
>> 
>> Please let me know what time(s) you are interested in working
>> (exhibit hall, Monte Carlo or both). If Monte Carlo, please let me
>> know what job you would like to take on, if you would like to deal and
>> what games you would like to deal (blackjack, poker, (we are in particular need for poker dealers) or other
>> such games).
>> This is a great opportunity for you to meet the nabs board, and us to
>> get to know you. As well, this is an equally great opportunity for you
>> to meet a lot of new people and have some fun at the same time.
>> Please contact me and copy Sean Whalen, NABS President if interested.  When contacting please include a contact phone number so that we might get a hold of you at  convention if needed. 
>> I can be contacted at: dsmithnfb at gmail.com. Sean Can be reached at nabs.president at gmail.com.
>> 
>> Thank  you very much for your willingness to work together to make this convention the best one yet!
> 
>> I look forward to hearing
>> from you all real soon and am excited to see you in Orlando!!!
> Best,
> Darian
>> -- 


Darian Smith
2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
(415) 215-9809
dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 07:42:37 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:42:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
Message-ID: <53a7da83.42b6440a.0294.494a@mx.google.com>


If you are looking for braille displays, I have attatched a url 
site where I found one for a friend.  He was looking for one, so 
I did a bunch of research and came across this.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com
To: Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com>, National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 02:20:39 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

Hi to all.  I know that as a college student, I haven't used much
braille, but it is very important to know.  What if people who 
use
computers so much, have their computers break down, then what 
will
they do.  I had to use a perkins brailler to do my math problems.  
How
else would I have done math.  I know braille books I'd love to 
have
like the Harry Potter series, but I don't have the room for the 
books,
and they aren't being produced by the Braille Press anymore, only 
in
ebook format.  If only braille displays would come down in price.  
I'm
hoping to get some state agency to pay for me to have a notetaker 
to
help me in college.  I'm trying to save up for some technology, I
don't know if it will be a braille display or not.  A 40 cell 
display
will cost between $3000, and $5000.  I am so glad I learned 
braille
growing up, I used to read books all the time when I was younger, 
and
have a lot of books I bought from seedlings braille books for
children.  They are one of the best places for getting childrens 
and
young adult books today.  They produce very high quality braille, 
at a
very afordable price.

On 6/23/14, Marissa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I agree with this fact about the kids writing looking like
 elementary school kid's writing.

 I am on the BNU list, (as some of you know).  I am 15, but
 because of my writing skills, and the way I write, some people
 have said that they would have thought I was 20 at the youngest
 and 29 or 30 at the oldest.  Someone even said 37, but then we
 got to talking, and he realized that I was funny? Not sure how
 that
 changes that, but alright.


  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National
 Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 00:54:07 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

 It is impossible for blind people as a whole to put braille on
 the back burner.  I mean, sighties aren't saying, "OMG, who uses
 print anymore? That was so 2004." Without braille, we're
 illiterate.  Braille provides us with more than just a reading
 medium.  When we learn braille, we learn how to spell.  We learn
 the proper usage of words.  In short, we learn all the things
 that
 make us literate.  I have a couple of friends who hate to use
 braille; they pretty much rely solely on screen readers.
 Whenever
 I read anything written by these friends, a little bit of my
 inner English nerd dies inside, but their spelling and use of
 language is ATROCIOUS! These kids are my age, seventeen, yet by
 their writing, you'd think they're elementary school students.  
I
 believe it is our duty as blind people to explain to both our 
own
 and the sighted that without braille, we are illiterate.

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: "blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,
 "NationalAssociation of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

 RJ, and everyone:

 I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations
 processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we
 should depend on other means to perform academic work.  Many
 service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille
 at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to 
learn
 and produce Braille.  I also often find that service providers
 have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading
 comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech.  I
 think of this as a difference between active reading and passive
 reading.  If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop.
 When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would
 stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension
 suffers.

 I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of
 Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I
 want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the 
members
 of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille
 (I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB).  We
 pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."

 We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille
 on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons
 that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.

 Yours,

 Justin Salisbury
 Board Member
 National Association of Blind Students

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
 Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
 To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing
 list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner

 Hello RJ,
 Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on
 the back burner.  What about all the Braille  displays that we
 use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little 
too
 much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?

 Sent from my iPhone

  On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004.  I bring
 this
 up in
  order to pose this question.  Aren't we as blind people
 depending
 on
  our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, 
and
 you
  have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can
 forget
  about even becoming employed! RJ
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From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 08:13:17 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:13:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking dictionary
	for $100
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vv6FWyV-tM1j7cChrK_0rU_L7Z-QkhSwL9PuA1Dp1bPg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
college.  Have a great day all.


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Mon Jun 23 13:23:15 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 09:23:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
	dictionaryfor $100
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vv6FWyV-tM1j7cChrK_0rU_L7Z-QkhSwL9PuA1Dp1bPg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADUoy9vv6FWyV-tM1j7cChrK_0rU_L7Z-QkhSwL9PuA1Dp1bPg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319BD9E80C4D4DE2B11291F642279BB6@OwnerPC>

hi,
do you mean it’s the franklin language master? I like those devices! used 
one in elementary school a lot and it really helped me learn vocab and 
grammar.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 4:13 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking dictionaryfor 
$100

Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
college.  Have a great day all.

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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 14:04:44 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 10:04:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
Message-ID: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>

All,
In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this
list, it is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted
questions for the NABS candidates' forum.
The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have
been questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any
burning questions please visit the following link and submit them.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
organization to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be
the best to take it there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight
tomorrow.
I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call,
but in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!



-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From mkvnfb94 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 15:28:54 2014
From: mkvnfb94 at gmail.com (Mariya Vasileva)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 11:28:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Convention room.
Message-ID: <92BA63CD-30DA-4EA8-99A8-E6DBBF1403C8@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone
Hi. Is there any female that wouldn't mind having a roommate during convention? A situation has come up with mine that can't be fixed unfortunately, and I just found out about it today. Thanks.   

From christopher.meyer007 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 17:47:22 2014
From: christopher.meyer007 at gmail.com (Christopher Meyer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:47:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Midwest Meetup: Day at the Dunes Flyer -- Let's Get
	Registering!
Message-ID: <04c601cf8f0b$31610d90$942328b0$@gmail.com>

Hello NABSters,

I write to share an exciting collaboration of the Indiana and Illinois
Associations of Blind Students, with the gracious support of our state
affiliates. This event is the Midwest Meetup: Day at the Dunes, a
recruitment and social event underpinned by core Federation philosophy. This
event, taking place July 20th, 2014, will be on the shores of Lake Michigan,
in Michigan City, Indiana! If you have ever been to the Indiana Dunes on
Lake Michigan, you will know that the day will be fun, relaxed, and--of
course--sunny! 

All the vital information is copied below (under my signature), with the
event flyer and link to register. Would you please take a look? 

With this flyer at your disposal, how can you help? Please read the flyer,
consider attending if you are a blind high-school or college student in the
Midwest region, and--best of all--invite your friends to attend! Please
register, and get your friends to register! Let's get friendly!

As I mentioned, this event strives to be fun and casual, and especially
accessible to Federation newcomers. We cannot reach a wide audience without
your help! If you each invite just one blind friend, our 30 registration
spots will be filled in less time than it takes to say, "Fun in the Sun with
your Federation family!" (Though, of course, you can say that all you want
when you attend!) Thanks in advance for spreading the word, and making this
event possible!

A quick note on travel arrangements: as a first-time event, we are putting
forth maximum effort to make transportation as easy as possible. Therefore,
participants who can meet us in Indianapolis or Chicago will be picked up
from there and transported as a group to Michigan City (in northern
Indiana). This goes for both in-state and out-of-state participants! And
better yet, the $15 registration--incredibly low if I do say so
myself--covers your transportation and food for the day!

With All the Best from Your Indiana Student Division,
Christopher Meyer
President, Indiana Association of Blind Students
chsmeyer at indiana.edu | (765) 480-2978



To all blind students in the Midwest, especially college and high-school
students: this is an exciting event just for you! The Indiana and Illinois
Associations of Blind Students are co-hosting a welcoming event for
newcomers and anyone just wanting a fun day in the Sun at the Indiana Dunes
National Lakeshore in Michigan City, IN. Please see the flyer below for
details, and get registering! Event costs only $15!

Brought to you by the Indiana and Illinois Associations of Blind Students,
divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Indiana and Illinois,
respectively.

 http://nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=639
Midwest Meetup
Day At The Dunes

Swim, hike, play Discs on the Dunes (accessible disc golf), Sculptionaries,
Castle Contests,  music, chill with cool people, food, fun, and memories
Hey all you blind high school & college students;  Are you ready for a break
after a long semester, a way to meet & bond with friends and build real
memories? 
Come for some fun in the sun with the IL & IN Associations of Blind
Students' Day at the Dunes.

Sunday, July 20, 2014
(The date of this event was originally set for June but we are now having
this event in July. sorry for the inconvenience.)

Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore - Michigan City, IN

Departure: 10:00 AM Eastern from Indianapolis, 10:00 AM Central from
Chicago; Return: 10:00 PM

Just $15 (includes transportation & food)

For more information or to learn about transportation options, please
contact Christopher Meyer at (765)480-2978 or 
chsmeyer at umail.iu.edu.

Don't forget your swimsuits and towels!
The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations
of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind
people and their dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not
what
holds you back.




From christopher.meyer007 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 17:58:40 2014
From: christopher.meyer007 at gmail.com (Christopher Meyer)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 13:58:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Midwest Meetup: Day at the Dunes -- Get Those Students
	Registering!
Message-ID: <04ec01cf8f0c$c588cc50$509a64f0$@gmail.com>

Hello NABS Presidents,

As you will probably have seen, I posted the following email to NABS-L, and
the IN and IL student divisions are looking to get the word out far and wide
on this event! I have sent similar emails previously to the Midwest student
division presidents whose emails I could find, but we could use responses
from those I contacted! Would WI, OH, and IA especially be in touch? Also,
I'd love to hear from MN, MI, and NE!
Also, to those division presidents not in the Midwest: we all have those
transient students who study in one state and go home to another for the
summer. (I have even heard of division presidents in this very situation).
Would you please take a momentand think of any students in this situation,
either in the Midwest for the summer or going back in the fall (and
therefore prime to make some good student contacts in the meantime!) Your
brief help is really appreciated by us in Indiana and Illinois, and all us
friendly Midwesterners!

Below is that email; feel free to forward as many times as those spam
filters will allow!

Best Wishes from Your Indiana Division President,
Christopher Meyer
President, Indiana Association of Blind Students
chsmeyer at indiana.edu | (765) 480-2978

Hello NABSters,

I write to share an exciting collaboration of the Indiana and Illinois
Associations of Blind Students, with the gracious support of our state
affiliates. This event is the Midwest Meetup: Day at the Dunes, a
recruitment and social event underpinned by core Federation philosophy. This
event, taking place July 20th, 2014, will be on the shores of Lake Michigan,
in Michigan City, Indiana! If you have ever been to the Indiana Dunes on
Lake Michigan, you will know that the day will be fun, relaxed, and--of
course--sunny! 

All the vital information is copied below (under my signature), with the
event flyer and link to register. Would you please take a look? 

With this flyer at your disposal, how can you help? Please read the flyer,
consider attending if you are a blind high-school or college student in the
Midwest region, and--best of all--invite your friends to attend! Please
register, and get your friends to register! Let's get friendly!

As I mentioned, this event strives to be fun and casual, and especially
accessible to Federation newcomers. We cannot reach a wide audience without
your help! If you each invite just one blind friend, our 30 registration
spots will be filled in less time than it takes to say, "Fun in the Sun with
your Federation family!" (Though, of course, you can say that all you want
when you attend!) Thanks in advance for spreading the word, and making this
event possible!

A quick note on travel arrangements: as a first-time event, we are putting
forth maximum effort to make transportation as easy as possible. Therefore,
participants who can meet us in Indianapolis or Chicago will be picked up
from there and transported as a group to Michigan City (in northern
Indiana). This goes for both in-state and out-of-state participants! And
better yet, the $15 registration--incredibly low if I do say so
myself--covers your transportation and food for the day!

With All the Best from Your Indiana Student Division,
Christopher Meyer
President, Indiana Association of Blind Students
chsmeyer at indiana.edu | (765) 480-2978



To all blind students in the Midwest, especially college and high-school
students: this is an exciting event just for you! The Indiana and Illinois
Associations of Blind Students are co-hosting a welcoming event for
newcomers and anyone just wanting a fun day in the Sun at the Indiana Dunes
National Lakeshore in Michigan City, IN. Please see the flyer below for
details, and get registering! Event costs only $15!

Brought to you by the Indiana and Illinois Associations of Blind Students,
divisions of the National Federation of the Blind of Indiana and Illinois,
respectively.

 http://nfbofillinois.org/?page_id=639
Midwest Meetup
Day At The Dunes

Swim, hike, play Discs on the Dunes (accessible disc golf), Sculptionaries,
Castle Contests,  music, chill with cool people, food, fun, and memories
Hey all you blind high school & college students;  Are you ready for a break
after a long semester, a way to meet & bond with friends and build real
memories? 
Come for some fun in the sun with the IL & IN Associations of Blind
Students' Day at the Dunes.

Sunday, July 20, 2014
(The date of this event was originally set for June but we are now having
this event in July. sorry for the inconvenience.)

Indiana Dunes National Lakeshore - Michigan City, IN

Departure: 10:00 AM Eastern from Indianapolis, 10:00 AM Central from
Chicago; Return: 10:00 PM

Just $15 (includes transportation & food)

For more information or to learn about transportation options, please
contact Christopher Meyer at (765)480-2978 or 
chsmeyer at umail.iu.edu.

Don't forget your swimsuits and towels!
The National Federation of the blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations
of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind
people and their dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not
what
holds you back.




From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 18:27:23 2014
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:27:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
In-Reply-To: <53a7c10b.6a99ec0a.38c1.58bb@mx.google.com>
References: <53a7c10b.6a99ec0a.38c1.58bb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7+D=xF1MQYfD1epmTXoS6wktvf8KsYPc47roTUXR_r3hRQCw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
While i, too, have seen quite a few atrocious spellers in my time,
let's not forget that sighted teenagers are just as guilty of this as
blind ones are. I do think that relying too heavily on speech
technology can be a contributing factor in whether or not a person
seems literate, but so, too, does the general push to cram as many
acronyms into one Facebook or Twitter status message, in order to seem
"cool." To me, that's not cool; it makes you look stupid. But, before
I rant too much on that subject, as it is off topic for this
discussion, I just wanted to point out that it truly is not a
"blindness-specific" problem.

On 6/23/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It is impossible for blind people as a whole to put braille on
> the back burner. I mean, sighties aren't saying, "OMG, who uses
> print anymore? That was so 2004." Without braille, we're
> illiterate. Braille provides us with more than just a reading
> medium. When we learn braille, we learn how to spell. We learn
> the proper usage of words. In short, we learn all the things that
> make us literate. I have a couple of friends who hate to use
> braille; they pretty much rely solely on screen readers. Whenever
> I read anything written by these friends, a little bit of my
> inner English nerd dies inside, but their spelling and use of
> language is ATROCIOUS! These kids are my age, seventeen, yet by
> their writing, you'd think they're elementary school students. I
> believe it is our duty as blind people to explain to both our own
> and the sighted that without braille, we are illiterate.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com" <blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com>,
> "NationalAssociation of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 03:01:45 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
>
> RJ, and everyone:
>
> I do notice that many people involved in our accommodations
> processes try to argue that Braille is outdated and that we
> should depend on other means to perform academic work. Many
> service providers do not believe in our capacity to read Braille
> at useful speeds and also think of it as a daunting task to learn
> and produce Braille. I also often find that service providers
> have no understanding of the enhanced levels of reading
> comprehension that we can achieve from Braille versus speech. I
> think of this as a difference between active reading and passive
> reading. If I space out while reading Braille, my fingers stop.
> When I was sighted and reading something in print, my eyes would
> stop.  With speech, it just keeps going, and comprehension
> suffers.
>
> I am really glad to see your passion for promoting the use of
> Braille, and, since you are going to the national convention, I
> want to encourage you to meet and mingle with some of the members
> of NAPUB, the National Association to Promote the Use of Braille
> (I hope I defined the acronym right-I know it's NAPUB). We
> pronounce the acronym "NAY-pub."
>
> We, in the National Federation of the Blind, do not put Braille
> on the back burner at all, and this is only one of the reasons
> that our movement is so strong and so vital in society.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 8:56 PM
> To: RJ Sandefur; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
>
> Hello RJ,
> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on
> the back burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we
> use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too
> much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>  On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this
> up in
>  order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending
> on
>  our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and
> you
>  have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can
> forget
>  about even becoming employed! RJ
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-- 
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From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 18:40:21 2014
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:40:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
In-Reply-To: <5356d2495c694d108ba0c6470833c00c@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <5356d2495c694d108ba0c6470833c00c@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7+D=zGNpdtc6213nP--dxk+iDScXE5TqpCfWSLHK6ghZMLVw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
My opinion is that a person who joins an organization must be
self-aware first. In this way, they don't end up compromising too much
of their identity and belief systems in order to "fit in" to the
organization's ideals. I believe this is especially prudent for young
people, who are figuring out who they are on all levels. People would
do well to sit down and honestly evaluate what they would like to get
out of being a part of the organization in question. If they are
psychologically unstable in any way, or lack a cohesive sense of self,
problems can easily develop, such as radical personality shifts, which
are unhealthy, in my opinion, not to mention alienating those who they
were close to, in favor of those who they have met within the group.
If it seems that what I have just written should go without saying,
then you know your standing in life, and how joining organizations
contributes positively to it. Even if one joins an organization at a
vulnerable time in their lives, and it helps them, that's a good
thing. What I will NEVER condone is a person who clearly is looking to
fill a void, and does so by bending over backwards in order to please
others. That is just as unhealthy, and ultimately destructive, as
drugs or alcohol as a means of escape.

On 6/22/14, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between individualism
> and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation has been taught
> to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning the ideas
> presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this part of my
> upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead
> us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
> more actively embraced.
>
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as a
> member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from
> college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
> best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we
> are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a
> more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
> would now like to pose some questions:
>
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
> organization?
>
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have individual
> voices?
>
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
> organization?
>
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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-- 
Desiree


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 21:08:17 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:08:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] effective comunication with rehab
Message-ID: <48AA492902704D1F82713EEB2A03F556@robert9999b7cf>

In our News letter for the Florida division of blind services, I did an article intitled, "effective comunication with your DBS councilor. It was in the March issue.
So often, I feel that rehabilitation professionals really do not get the thanks that they deserve. If you want to have a positive expierence with the rehabilitation agency in your state, then follow these tips.
1 Have a goal. What I mean is a vocational goal. 
2 inform your councilor of what your needs are in a clear and professional manner. Do not talk down nor be condisending to your councilor. If requesting purchose of equipment, be ready to justify it. In other words, don't just say, "I'd like a note taker." Be ready to justify what the note taker will be used for, and why you need a note taker verses a computer for school. I myself made this mistake. I asked my councilor for a Mac computer, and I was unable to justify my need for one.
Lastly, If you and your councilor have a disagreement, try to work out the disagreement, and if you're unable to do so, then have a third party involved. The client assistance program will help you resolve issues if need be. Just my thoughts. RJ Sandefur T.H.D (Doctor of theology) Andersonville theological seminary, 2013

From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 21:18:30 2014
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:18:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
Message-ID: <006601cf8f28$aea0eec0$0be2cc40$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon,

 

I have been closely following the various threads we have working here on
the list, and I feel obliged to come out and make a couple points absolutely
clear. Several messages, while I'm sure this was not the intention, have
suggested or implied that NABS views itself or functions as something
separate or apart from the National Federation of the Blind. In fact, this
notion seems to have become a campaign issue in some cases. I am all for a
healthy discourse on the future of NABS, where we can improve, where we have
fallen short, etc. But I would urge that we confine this discourse to issues
that are actually issues. Could the relationship between NABS and our
leaders in Baltimore be strengthened? Yes, of course it could. Things can
always be improved and we should always be striving to make things better.
But I do not want anybody following these posts to come away with the
impression that NABS' leadership and national leadership do not have a rock
solid working relationship. Moreover, I do not want anybody to embrace the
mistaken notion that we on the NABS Board, and in NABS in general, are not
actively engaged in supporting the work of the Federation.

 

On the first point regarding collaboration and cooperation between the NABS
Board and the National Center for the Blind in Baltimore, our headquarters,
let me say without equivocation: Dr. Maurer is the leader of NFB and NABS. I
shouldn't have to say it. There is no question here. But, more to the point,
Dr. Maurer is a mentor, partner and friend. Likewise with Anil Lewis, Mark
Riccobono, Jesse Hartle and numerous other national leaders. When NABS has
faced difficulties or when I have needed advice and support I have picked up
the phone and called Dr. Maurer and our other leaders. Without exception
they have been supportive and willing to help. NABS is NFB and NFB is NABS,
success for either is success for both. When our organization has undertaken
initiatives of particular import to students, NABS has always been eager and
ready to do what we can to support the work of our Federation. We
collaborated closely with Anil Lewis and Dr. Maurer to put on a student
leadership seminar last June. Led by Cindy Bennett, NABS has worked side by
side with our governmental affairs team to collect student stories
highlighting the need for the TEACH Act. These are but two examples. The
bottom line is that I know that I can call upon our national leadership for
guidance and support and have frequently done so. And while I can't speak
for anybody, I am reasonably certain that our national leaders know that
they can call on me and on NABS. Many of our leaders are folks who I
consider friends. And I am certainly not the only member of the NABS Board
who enjoys both professional and personal relationships with the leadership
of our movement.

 

Now, on the question of how engaged NABS is in the work of the NFB; the
proof is in the pudding. Seven of the nine NABS Board members currently
serve in the leadership of their local chapters or state affiliates, and
some on both. I myself, though currently holding no elected position outside
of NABS, have served as Treasurer of two chapters and on the board of the
NFB of Wisconsin. I am also active in my state. We have several folks on our
board who work as BELL coordinators. Start looking off the board and at our
membership, and we are only scratching the surface. NABS members are an
active and vital part of the NFB, and to suggest otherwise either exhibits a
misunderstanding of the facts or is downright disingenuous. Let me be clear.
We can do better. We must do better in order to realize the goals toward
which we are all working. However, the idea that NABS is a simple social
club whose members are not involved in real work on the part of the
Federation misses the mark and fails to acknowledge a lot of folks who are
doing good work on behalf of the cause.

 

Again, I am not saying that things are perfect or no work is needed. NABS
could do a better job communicating with our leadership, as well as with our
members. I could have done a better job personally as President on these
issues. But I am absolutely proud of the work we have done and stand firm in
my conviction that NABS is bigger, stronger, more transparent, better
funded, and more active than it was five years ago when I came onto the
board under Arielle Silverman, who, despite her modest post to this list,
deserves a whole lot of the credit for strengthening our division and our
entire organization. Arielle was a strong leader who was always ready to
listen to and consider other points of view. She enabled all of us to
contribute. I'll wrap up this message by thanking her for that. Arielle
taught me some valuable lessons about leadership, and I have always tried to
follow her example of inclusiveness and deliberation. I hope I have
succeeded in living up to her example in this regard.

 

As always, please feel free to be in touch with any thoughts, questions or
suggestions about NABS and the work we all do together.

 

Many thanks,

 

Sean

 

Sean Whalen

President, National Association of Blind Students

(608) 332-4147

Nabs.president at gmail.com


From kathrynwebster at me.com  Mon Jun 23 21:43:54 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:43:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Community Service Group is seeking your help at
 National Convention!
References: <C992682F-2829-494A-AB1E-68AF7E57C3A9@wfu.edu>
Message-ID: <563CBE74-8C4C-4538-8517-F4A88D6B16A3@me.com>

Fellow Federationists,
> 	Are you attending National Convention in just one week? Are you vivacious, loud, and proud? Are you free on the evening of Thursday, July 3rd?
> If you answered yes to all of these questions, then you are wanted by the Community Service Group.
> We are looking for a few marshalers for the Community Service seminar on Thursday, July 3rd at 6:05 p.m.
> Responsibilities include helping federationists find the meeting as well as register in the line prior to the start of the seminar at 6:15.
> This voluntary position requires five to ten marshalers at 6:05 p.m. on July 3rd.
> Secondly, if July 3rd is inconvenient for you, we have an alternate opportunity in which your help is invaluable. On Saturday, July 5th, the Community Service Group is hosting an unforgettable trivia night. With two sessions of fun, we are looking for roughly seven volunteers for each time slot.
> The first session begins at 6:15, and volunteers are encouraged to arrive by 6:05. The second session begins at 7:45, while volunteers should arrive at 7:30 p.m.
> Responsibilities include marshaling the event and manning the doors, selling tickets, and collecting them. 
> If interested in any of the above opportunities,please email Kathryn Webster at webskc13 at wfu.edu with your name, phone number, and email address.
> We thank you all in advance for your joy and willingness to help the Community Service Group!
> Please do not hesitate to contact chairperson Darian Smith with any questions or concerns. His email is dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
> 
> Kindest Regards,
> Kathryn C. Webster
> Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of connecticut
> First Vice President | Connecticut Association of Blind Students

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 21:52:55 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 14:52:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
In-Reply-To: <000001cf8e84$b05bd7b0$11138710$@com>
References: <000f01cf8e73$27a87b50$76f971f0$@gmail.com>
	<000001cf8e84$b05bd7b0$11138710$@com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA3eK=qO2EEHjRmBKTPRYverHkcDw6u-QA4iBYsYQ56Kw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

For those of you who are feeling a lack of communication with the
board, you might consider trying to improve the situation by offering
to join the communications committee after convention--assuming that
the next board decides to sustain the communications committee. I
imagine the NABS notes is something that can be sent out more
efficiently if there are more people to work on it. You might think
about how you might suggest structuring things differently so there is
more consistent communication. I'm not implying there's a problem,
just saying that if you perceive a problem, why not commit yourself to
implementing a solution?
Arielle

On 6/22/14, Gabe Cazares via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Garret, Elizabeth, and All:
> I'm sorry your experiences with NABS leadership have differed from mine
> Elizabeth. I know my fellow Board Members do their best to reach out to our
> members and answer questions as quickly as they can.
> As far as the NABS Notes are concerned, I strive to send them out by the
> second Sunday of every month. Seeing how the second Sunday this month was
> Father's Day, I was planning on getting them out the next day. As Garret
> has
> already informed everyone, my parents and I were involved in a car accident
> last Sunday, so I've been MIA this past week. I'm just now catching up with
> school and NFB work, thankfully the accident wasn't as severe as it could
> have been, so I'm hoping to be fully recovered by convention.
> In the time I've been out, I've received last-minute announcements from
> several student divisions that I do plan to include in the NABS Notes.
> Expect to have them by the end of the week.
> If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me.
> Warm regards,
>
> ...Gabe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of garret mooney
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:39 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hello all,
>
> I do not post to the list very often, but I feel that I have something to
> contribute to the conversation. I do not serve on the NABS board. However,
> I
> am a student leader in my home state of Arizona where I currently serve as
> student division president.
>
> I built several relationships with several NABS board members, which they
> have gone above and beyond to help with the growth of our division. A large
> part of why our division has gone from a division with only five members to
> a division of thirty in the past year is because of those relations.
>
>
> I do receive the NABS notes every month and find them to be a great
> resource
> for ideas for my own division. Due to the relationship that I have with
> NABS
> I know that the editor Gabe Cazeres, was recently in a car accident this
> past week, which he was wounded, and is working to put out the NABS notes
> this week.
>
> Regards
>
> James Garret Mooney
> President Arizona association of blind students
> Board member national federation of the blind of arizona
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> nabs-l-request at nfbnet.org
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> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: nabs-l Digest, Vol 92, Issue 24
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> Today's Topics:
>
>    1. Re: Victor reader streem to blackboard (Chris Nusbaum)
>    2. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Sophie Trist)
>    3. NOPBC Style Show Models Needed (Kayleigh Joiner)
>    4. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Kirt)
>    5. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Joe)
>    6. OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip To
>       Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (David Dunphy)
>    7. Re: OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
>       ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (Marissa)
>    8. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Roanna Bacchus)
>    9. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Littlefield, Tyler)
>   10. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Arielle Silverman)
>   11. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Kirt)
>   12. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>   13. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Arielle Silverman)
>   14. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Arielle Silverman)
>   15. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Gabe Cazares)
>   16. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (justin williams)
>   17. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>   18. apartment resources (Littlefield, Tyler)
>   19. Re: apartment resources (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
>   20. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>       (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>   21. To Helga (RJ Sandefur)
>   22. Re: apartment resources (Misty Dawn Bradley)
>   23. Re: Public Speaking (Candice Chapman)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:44:52 -0400
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
> To: "'justin williams'" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,	"'National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
> Message-ID: <004101cf8e39$4ab32c10$e0198430$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Justin,
>
> If you have the 2nd generation Stream or an older model with the Softpack
> installed, recordings from the Stream are in MP3 format. If they are in
> this
> format, you can use the Stream's SD card to access the audio file on your
> computer, from which you can upload it to Blackboard.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin
> williams
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:28 AM
> To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Cc: 'Human Services Division Mailing List'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
>
> Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
> blackboard?   It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
> media player or something?  Oops.
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:25:23 -0500
> From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> To: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>,	National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> Message-ID: <53a7118d.48d1ec0a.3ae9.fffff1dd at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization
> infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some
> cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism
> because it allows people to meet others who have the same
> interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one
> person alone. The organization is made stronger because it
> receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept
> that those people won't always agree. An organization that
> promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes
> all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to
> accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
> I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's
> changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
> lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So
> I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess
> that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should
> examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have
> changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like
> how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why
> we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>
> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you.
> Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the
> organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an
> individual weaker
>  Thank you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>
>  On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>  Fellow Federationists:
>
>  Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism,
> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders
> and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but
> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to
> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
> otherwise more actively embraced.
>
>  I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and,
> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand
> out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the
> leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American
> fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi
> Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college,
> and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
> best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
> that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we
> try to create a more positive image of native men than the
> stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in
> the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose
> some questions:
>
>  Does following a leader or identifying with an
> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
> individual?
>
>  Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with
> an organization?
>
>  Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
> individual voices?
>
>  Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with
> an organization?
>
>  I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>
>  Yours,
>
>  Justin Salisbury
>  Board Member
>  National Association of Blind Students
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:43 -0500
> From: Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com>
> To: NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show Models Needed
> Message-ID:
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> Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?
>
>
>
> Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!
>
>
>
> We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
> are now being accepted for children preschool through college.
>
>
>
>
>
> Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida
>
> When: Wed., July 2, 2014
>
> Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)
>
> Room: To Be Announced
>
>
>
> Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?
>
>
>
> The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
> to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
> Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
> Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
> choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.
>
>
>
> Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.comwith your child?s name and parent?s
> cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
> Apply early to reserve your child?s spot!
>
>
>
> *Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
> A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
> arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Kim Cunningham
>
> 2ndVP, NOPBC
>
> Cell 713-501-9659
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:47:09 -0600
> From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,	National Association of
> 	Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> Message-ID: <EC36155D-2BD0-48CC-914B-B2E9FA5995D3 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the
> Federation
> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present
> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the
> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it
> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining organizations
> can actually promote individualism because it allows people to meet others
> who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more
> than one person alone. The organization is made stronger because it
> receives
> input from lots of different people, and it must accept that those people
> won't always agree. An organization that promotes individualism is one that
> accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
> I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's changed me,
> made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a lot about my abilities
> and responsibilities as a blind person. So I believe that joining an
> organization can and does change an individual's identity. The task of the
> individual is to assess that change with the synicism that Justin talked
> about. We should examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others
> have changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're following
> that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be
>> a
> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
> believe it would make an individual weaker
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation
> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
> questioning
> the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this
> part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of
> thinking
> can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
> otherwise more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from
> college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
> best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we
> are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a
> more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
> would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0400
> From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Justin Salisbury'" <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	"'National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <008201cf8e42$f7c321e0$e74965a0$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="us-ascii"
>
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
> as
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
> true sense, are we?
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
> to
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
> do
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
> the encouragement to continue.
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
> Federation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
> From: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>
> To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, 	National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
> 	To Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
> Message-ID: <53A72E2E.8030402 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending The NFB's
> National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out Tonight!
> Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the center part
> of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to Disney
> World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love disney in
> general, then tonight's show is for you!
> Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM eastern as I
> bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com
>
> Join us as we will...
>
> Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, etc
>
> We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new Snow
> White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa does not.
> Hear their thoughts.
>
> Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes from
> the movies that have been very popular over the last several decades
> (and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
> And, a major announcement will be made regarding something exciting and
> special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more in this
> announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you won't want
> to miss it.
>
> To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
> crazyyetfun2014
>
> Skype in at
> daviddunphyradio
> Call us up at
> 516 945 9165
> and listen in at
> http://wdjm3.com/player
> and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile device, or
> put the following into your media player of choice:
> http://199.180.72.17:9880
>
> So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
> convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
>  From David Dunphy
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:31:34 -0700
> From: Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com>
> To: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,	National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,
> 	chris.omeally at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
> 	Trip	ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
> Message-ID: <53a72f2b.82a1420a.46d0.ffffb5b4 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
>
> Would either link work on the Apex?
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
> Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
>
> Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending
> The NFB's
> National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out
> Tonight!
> Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the
> center part
> of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to
> Disney
> World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love
> disney in
> general, then tonight's show is for you!
> Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM
> eastern as I
> bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com
>
> Join us as we will...
>
> Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life,
> etc
>
> We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new
> Snow
> White And The Seven Dwarves train ride.  Will loves it.  Melissa
> does not.
> Hear their thoughts.
>
> Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes
> from
> the movies that have been very popular over the last several
> decades
> (and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
> And, a major announcement will be made regarding something
> exciting and
> special that is going to take place in July.  Can't say any more
> in this
> announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you
> won't want
> to miss it.
>
> To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
> crazyyetfun2014
>
> Skype in at
> daviddunphyradio
> Call us up at
> 516 945 9165
> and listen in at
> http://wdjm3.com/player
> and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile
> device, or
> put the following into your media player of choice:
> http://199.180.72.17:9880
>
> So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
> convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
>  From David Dunphy
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
> for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marissat789%4
> 0gmail.com
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:39:00 -0400
> From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,	National Association
> 	of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <53a730f0.a535ec0a.3877.0b80 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi Justin thanks for polling the membership of the National
> Federation Of The BLIND.  I'm not a member, but I'd still like to
> contribute.  Transparency is very important to Nabs as a student
> division.  I believe we have done well with this in the last few
> years.  I believe that the federation's web site needs to be kept
> up to date regularly.  I have currently not seen anything that is
> out of date yet.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:51:06 -0400
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
> 	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <53A733AA.2070504 at tysdomain.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
> for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
> person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>> honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
> as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
> to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>> stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
> do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
> receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:18:00 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
> 	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID:
> 	<CALAYQJDXuyQspDCJUw9dn3tMn876E0bShODaV6tMt0zB860Pug at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are
> worth discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling
> the membership about these things before one runs for office, because
> the discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their
> vision and how they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and
> not just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how
> can we increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that
> when I joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication
> between the board and membership. For example, there were no NABS
> updates or bulletins except a brief presidential note in the Student
> Slate that was published less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally
> came out to conventions, but there were no regional reps, no list for
> state presidents, etc. And elections were completely hidden. I'm
> thrilled to see people openly disclosing their candidacy on-list
> because this is a stark contrast to the days when nobody knew who was
> running unless you happened to be good friends with a candidate or on
> the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send
> out board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should
> happen every month. We could also consider allowing members to attend
> the board conference calls and having time at the end for members to
> speak up. This has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth
> considering. We should ensure the NABS website is up-to-date and the
> NABS notes updates come out regularly. All these projects take time
> and effort. We're all volunteers, and sometimes these things get
> forgotten. I would also say that communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
> attempted to find out what's going on. The board can send out info,
> but members also need to seek it out. The board discussion about
> whether or not to let officer candidates speak on the agenda (which
> started this whole discussion here) must have been documented in the
> minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
>> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
>> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
>> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
>> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
>> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
>> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
>> trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement
>>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
>>> for
>>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
>>> person's
>>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>>> honestly
>>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
>>> expect
>>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a
>>> thing
>>> as
>>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
>>> its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks
>>> to
>>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name
>>> relevant
>>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
>>> here
>>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>>> stimulate
>>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with
>>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often
>>> been
>>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud
>>> to
>>> do
>>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
>>> receive
>>> the encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
>>> want
>>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>>> Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that
>> dares not reason is a slave.
>>
>>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:18:28 -0600
> From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
> To: "tyler at tysdomain.com" <tyler at tysdomain.com>,	National Association
> 	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <9382FE14-97BE-42F3-A820-043B6A252D2F at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii
>
> Tyler,
> He got you and Joe to agree with each other. Certainly that has to count
> for
> something? :-)
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
> already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
> else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
> not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
> announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
> fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even
> aware
> Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
> transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
> believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
> the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying
> to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
>>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
> for
>>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
> person's
>>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
> honestly
>>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
>>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a
>>> thing
> as
>>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks
> to
>>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name
>>> relevant
>>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
>>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
> stimulate
>>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with
>>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often
>>> been
>>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud
>>> to
> do
>>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
> receive
>>> the encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
>>> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>>> Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that dares not reason is a slave.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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> om
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:30:07 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <COL402-EAS33092E85E82C171A85218C5BA1C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Hello Arielle,
>
> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year.
> I
> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
> how
> they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
> just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
> friends
> with a candidate or on the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
> communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>> similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>> build the Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>>
>>
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:41:45 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>, 	National Association of Blind
> 	Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> Message-ID:
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>
> Hi all,
>
> I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people
> join organizations because there are clear benefits both for the
> individuals in the group and the group itself. When one becomes a
> member of an organization, that organization becomes another identity
> the person has. Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's
> other identities.
> I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
> follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences
> with NABS leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than
> what's typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization
> should "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly
> trust. Instead, I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve
> the organization and carry out the organization's wishes. In this
> role, the organization chooses its leader and then tells the leader
> what should be done. In that way, a leader is "following" the
> organization in that he or she endeavors to carry out the activities
> that the organization identifies as important. Of course, leaders
> should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
> suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
> ideas and visions of their own for the organization. But the
> organization's members have the power to accept or reject the leader's
> new ideas.
> So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think
> the president's primary responsibility is to carry out the
> organization's wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the
> membership and the humility to accept opinions with which the
> president might disagree. The board members serve as elected
> representatives of the membership who tell the president what to do
> when the entire membership is not able to meet (i.e. between
> conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how things
> should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
> growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my
> ideas and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it
> benefits an organization tremendously when members, or board members,
> question and challenge the president and build on the president's
> work. I don't think NABS would have gone very far during my term if my
> board had blindly trusted me without questioning things I proposed or
> contributing their own proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me,
> but I would suggest that if you are on any kind of board or committee,
> listen to what the chairperson says and try to think of problems with
> their ideas or ways to make the good ideas even better. There is a way
> to do this that still comes out of respect and loyalty to the
> president and support for the organization as a whole. I cannot and
> should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
> president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to
> create a board culture where all opinions and disagreements were
> appreciated. From my perspective, there was a nice bonus to that,
> which was that board members felt empowered and respected so they were
> willing to really work hard and follow through. A micromanaging
> president risks alienating the board and, thus, getting stuck with all
> the work.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Sophie,
>> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any
>> specific
>> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and
>> the
>> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
>> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the
> Federation
>> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to
> present
>> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made
>> that
>> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support
> the
>> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but
> it
>> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
>> identity.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
>>> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows
>>> people
>>> to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a
>>> group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made
> stronger
>>> because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must
>>> accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that
> promotes
>>> individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into
>>> account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its
>>> own,
>>> it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a
>>> few
>>> years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've
>>> realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind
>>> person.
>>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
> change
>>> with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves
> to
>>> see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like
>>> what
>>> we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we
>>> should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's
>>> really worth it.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>>
>>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be
> a
>>> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
>>> believe it would make an individual weaker
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
> generation
>>> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
>>> questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I
>>> appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this
>>> modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an
> outfit
>>> in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
>>>
>>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes,
>>> as
>>> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I
> have
>>> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu
>>> Fraternity
>>> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of
>>> the
>>> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate
>>> from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men
>>> be
>>> the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
> that
>>> we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to
> create
>>> a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I
>>> don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the
> Blind,
>>> so I would now like to pose some questions:
>>>
>>> Does following a leader or identifying with an
>>> establishment/organization
>>> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>>
>>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>>> organization?
>>>
>>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>>> individual voices?
>>>
>>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>>> organization?
>>>
>>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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> Message: 14
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:45:22 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
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> I remember seeing minutes from last fall, but I'm not sure if the new
> bulletins coming out of the communications committee have included
> minutes. If this is an oversight, I hope the next board will reinstate
> the sharing of minutes. If this is an intentional change, it'd be
> great to know the reasons for that change.
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Hello Arielle,
>>
>> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to
>> the
>> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of
> time,
>> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past
>> year.
>> I
>> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
>> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information
> that
>> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
>> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
>> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of
> information
>> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
>> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>> Silverman via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
>> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Hi Justin and all,
>>
>> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
>> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
>> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
>> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
>> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
>> how
>> they want to present their vision to the organization.
>> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
>> just in the context of campaigning.
>>
>> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can
>> we
>> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
>> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between
> the
>> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or
>> bulletins
>> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
>> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions,
>> but
>> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
>> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
>> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to
>> the
>> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
>> friends
>> with a candidate or on the board.
>> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
>> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen
> every
>> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
>> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
>> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should
>> ensure
>> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
>> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
>> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
>> communication is a two-way street.
>> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
>> attempted
>> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members
>> also
>> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
>> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole
> discussion
>> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>>
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Joe:
>>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>>
>>> 1) How important is transparency:
>>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>>
>>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>>
>>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>>
>>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>>> awkward.
>>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>>> true sense, are we?
>>>>
>>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>>
>>>> Joe
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>>
>>>> Visit my blog:
>>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>>
>>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>>
>>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>>> similar way.
>>>>
>>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>>
>>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>>> members want from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>>>>
>>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>>> build the Federation.
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Justin Salisbury
>>>> Board Member
>>>> National Association of Blind Students
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Take care,
>>> Ty
>>> http://tds-solutions.net
>>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool;
>>> he that dares not reason is a slave.
>>>
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 15
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:12:08 -0500
> From: "Gabe Cazares" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <000c01cf8e5e$a0b06ae0$e21140a0$@com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="utf-8"
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
> to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
> NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
> hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
> to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
> privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
> 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
> colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board
> members
> have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
> experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
> something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
> be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
> board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
> Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
> mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
>
> Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
> the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
> transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
> membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
> Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
> to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
> to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
> actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
> say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
> is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
> the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
> national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
> Association of Blind Students.
>
> However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends
> with
> you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
> every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
> expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
> Board seek to provide you as our members.
>
> Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
> asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
> agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
> center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
> something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
> every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
> has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
> there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or
> division
> is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
> their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
> communication as a national division.
>
> This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
> the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
> qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
> notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
> have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
> of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
> division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
> will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
> Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
> National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
> Federation of the Blind.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Gabe Cazares, President
>
> Texas Association of Blind Students
>
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>
> Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
>
> Twitter: @gmcazares
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
> Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
> already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
> else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
> not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
> announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
> fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even
> aware
> Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
> transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
> believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
> the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
> following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying
> to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going
> to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>
>
>
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
>
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
>
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
>
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
>
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
>
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
>
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
> as
>
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
>
> true sense, are we?
>
>
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
> to
>
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> --
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
> Visit my blog:
>
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>
> Salisbury via nabs-l
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
>
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
>
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
>
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
>
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
>
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
> do
>
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
>
> the encouragement to continue.
>
>
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
>
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
>
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>
> Federation.
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Board Member
>
> National Association of Blind Students
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> nabs-l mailing list
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
>
>
>
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>
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>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 16
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:32 -0400
> From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
> To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
> 	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <017801cf8e5f$61df1180$259d3480$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="UTF-8"
>
> While I don?t know all of the NABS board, indeed, I did mention that in a
> prior email, I would still like to give you fine folks a thank you and a
> thumbs up.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
> to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
> NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
> hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
> to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
> privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
> 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
> colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board
> members
> have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
> experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
> something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
> be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
> board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
> Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
> mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
>
> Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
> the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
> transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
> membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
> Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
> to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
> to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
> actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
> say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
> is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
> the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
> national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
> Association of Blind Students.
>
> However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends
> with
> you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
> every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
> expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
> Board seek to provide you as our members.
>
> Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
> asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
> agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
> center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
> something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
> every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
> has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
> there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or
> division
> is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
> their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
> communication as a national division.
>
> This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
> the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
> qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
> notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
> have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
> of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
> division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
> will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
> Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
> National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
> Federation of the Blind.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Gabe Cazares, President
>
> Texas Association of Blind Students
>
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>
> Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
>
> Twitter: @gmcazares
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
> Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
> already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
> else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
> not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
> announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
> fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even
> aware
> Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
> transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
> believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
> the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
> following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying
> to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going
> to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>
>
>
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
>
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
>
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
>
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
>
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
>
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
>
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
> as
>
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
>
> true sense, are we?
>
>
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
> to
>
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> --
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
> Visit my blog:
>
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>
> Salisbury via nabs-l
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
>
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
>
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
>
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
>
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
>
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
> do
>
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
>
> the encouragement to continue.
>
>
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
>
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
>
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>
> Federation.
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Board Member
>
> National Association of Blind Students
>
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> Message: 17
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:49 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,	"'National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
> Message-ID: <COL402-EAS141905255E71CC5B8B43BABA1C0 at phx.gbl>
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> Hello Arielle,
>
> I have always enjoyed your posts to the email list, and this one is no
> exception. I think you bring up a good point about people being able to
> respectfully bring up things with others in which they disagree. I know I
> have struggled with this myself, and I have most likely pushed people away
> as a result. However, I have learned that when you have an attitude of
> simply wanting the best for the organization that it helps to make these
> kinds of conversations less personal. I think when you share the common
> goal
> of making the organization the best that it can be that it helps people
> find
> some common ground when there are disagreements.
>
> However, it has taken me quite some time to learn this lesson in life, so I
> hope leaders in our organization can understand that not everyone may
> possess this skill. As difficult as it may be sometimes, I think one of the
> most important things about being a leader is being willing to listen to
> everyone regardless of what they may have to say. Whether it be good or
> bad,
> simply taking the time to seriously consider what someone has to say can
> really go a long way in my opinion.
>
> But again Arielle, thank you for providing your point of view on things as
> someone who has served as a leader within this organization. I believe your
> thoughts, insights, and explanations of how things took place under your
> leadership is rather valuable for those who wish to become the next leader
> within our organization.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:42 PM
> To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>
> Hi all,
>
> I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people join
> organizations because there are clear benefits both for the individuals in
> the group and the group itself. When one becomes a member of an
> organization, that organization becomes another identity the person has.
> Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's other identities.
> I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
> follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences with
> NABS
> leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than what's
> typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization should
> "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly trust. Instead,
> I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve the organization and
> carry out the organization's wishes. In this role, the organization chooses
> its leader and then tells the leader what should be done. In that way, a
> leader is "following" the organization in that he or she endeavors to carry
> out the activities that the organization identifies as important. Of
> course,
> leaders should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
> suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
> ideas
> and visions of their own for the organization. But the organization's
> members have the power to accept or reject the leader's new ideas.
> So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think the
> president's primary responsibility is to carry out the organization's
> wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the membership and the
> humility to accept opinions with which the president might disagree. The
> board members serve as elected representatives of the membership who tell
> the president what to do when the entire membership is not able to meet
> (i.e. between conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about
> how
> things should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The
> most
> growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my ideas
> and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it benefits an
> organization tremendously when members, or board members, question and
> challenge the president and build on the president's work. I don't think
> NABS would have gone very far during my term if my board had blindly
> trusted
> me without questioning things I proposed or contributing their own
> proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me, but I would suggest that if
> you are on any kind of board or committee, listen to what the chairperson
> says and try to think of problems with their ideas or ways to make the good
> ideas even better. There is a way to do this that still comes out of
> respect
> and loyalty to the president and support for the organization as a whole. I
> cannot and should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
> president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to create a
> board culture where all opinions and disagreements were appreciated. From
> my
> perspective, there was a nice bonus to that, which was that board members
> felt empowered and respected so they were willing to really work hard and
> follow through. A micromanaging president risks alienating the board and,
> thus, getting stuck with all the work.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Sophie,
>> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any
>> specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral
>> norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's
>> individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the
>> official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as
>> per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest
>> of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least
>> for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of
>> the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is
>> nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes
>>> on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows
>>> people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they
>>> do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization
>>> is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different
>>> people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An
>>> organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts
>>> disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
>>> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling
>>> individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years,
>>> but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
> lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
>>> change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine
>>> ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us.
>>> And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
>>> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're
>>> following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association
>>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 22
>>> Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>>
>>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to
>>> be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I
>>> do not believe it would make an individual weaker Thank you.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
>>> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism,
>>> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and
>>> establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but
>>> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to
>>> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
> more actively embraced.
>>>
>>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and,
>>> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out
>>> as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership:
>>> Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and
>>> the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to
>>> help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a
>>> general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are
>>> based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger
>>> together than individually, especially as we try to create a more
>>> positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
>>> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so
>>> I
> would now like to pose some questions:
>>>
>>> Does following a leader or identifying with an
>>> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
> individual?
>>>
>>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>>> organization?
>>>
>>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>>> individual voices?
>>>
>>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>>> organization?
>>>
>>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 18
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:29:15 -0400
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
> Message-ID: <53A74AAB.40200 at tysdomain.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio
> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty
> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay
> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room.
> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who
> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food
> on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to
> move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot.
> This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be
> comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives"
> around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He would
> physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost
> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to
> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will
> be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in
> five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my
> entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110)
> and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the
> store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart
> and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly
> worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting
> to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in
> snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular
> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a
> loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I
> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
> that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 19
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:33:31 -0400
> From: Ashley and Landon Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com, 	National Association of Blind Students
> 	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
> Message-ID: <53A74BAB.50603 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Hi,
> If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
> Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
> where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
> dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
> I know.
> Ashley
>
>
>
>
> On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a
>> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in
>> a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra
>> than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a
>> lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
>> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
>> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate
>> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop
>> food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom
>> to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a
>> lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to
>> be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed
>> "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He
>> would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>>
>> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost
>> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to
>> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin
>> with.
>>
>> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it
>> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen
>> in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order
>> my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like
>> $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up
>> to the store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get
>> a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm
>> mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough
>> and getting to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this,
>> especially in snowy weather?
>>
>> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular
>> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for
>> a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I
>> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Ashley Coleman
>
> Blinkie Chicks
> Social Media Manager
> http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 20
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>,	"'National Association of
> 	Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
> 	Methods
> Message-ID: <COL402-EAS2064C1FC2A3FFF1C8CA180BBA1C0 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>
> Hello Gabe,
>
> Speaking of the NABS notes, did I somehow miss the June edition of the NABS
> Notes, or are they still yet to come?
>
> However, I disagree with you some on the issues of transparency and
> communication with the current board. I personally have sent several emails
> to various board members of which I never received any kind of response. In
> addition, I recall an email I sent to the list last summer asking what the
> board had been doing because from my point of view as a general member, it
> did not appear as though the board was doing all that much at the time. I
> understand the manner in which I asked this question may not have been
> appropriate or the most effective, but I still have yet to understand why
> it
> would be so wrong for a general member to ask such a question when they see
> little communication or evidence of what the board has been doing.
>
> While I question the timing and motivation of Justin's posts and questions
> to the email list, I actually find it refreshing to be able to talk about
> such things on the email list when it seemed as though it was shunned in
> the
> past. I am glad to hear your experience within this organization has been a
> positive one, but I know this is not the case for everyone. And I think
> everyone should be free to express their ideas and opinions regardless of
> how favored or popular they are within this organization.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Dear Friends,
>
> First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
> to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
> NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
> hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
> to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
> privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
> 2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
> colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board
> members
> have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
> experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
> something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
> be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
> board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
> Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
> mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
>
> Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
> the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
> transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
> membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
> Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
> to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
> to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
> actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
> say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
> is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
> the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
> national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
> Association of Blind Students.
>
> However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends
> with
> you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
> every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
> expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
> Board seek to provide you as our members.
>
> Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
> asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
> agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
> center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
> something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
> every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
> has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
> there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or
> division
> is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
> their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
> communication as a national division.
>
> This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
> the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
> qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
> notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
> have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
> of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
> division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
> will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
> Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
> National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
> Federation of the Blind.
>
> Respectfully,
>
>
>
> Gabe Cazares, President
>
> Texas Association of Blind Students
>
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>
> Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
>
> Twitter: @gmcazares
>
>
>
>
>
> From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
> Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
> already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
> else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
> not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
> announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
> fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even
> aware
> Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
> transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
> believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
> the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
> following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying
> to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going
> to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>
>
>
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
>
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
> announcement
>
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
>
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
>
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
>
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
> expect
>
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
> as
>
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
> its
>
> true sense, are we?
>
>
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
> to
>
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> --
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
> Visit my blog:
>
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
>
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>
> Salisbury via nabs-l
>
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
>
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
>
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
> here
>
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
>
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
>
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
> do
>
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
>
> the encouragement to continue.
>
>
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
> want
>
> from us?  How well have we been doing with it?
>
>
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>
> Federation.
>
>
>
> Yours,
>
>
>
> Justin Salisbury
>
> Board Member
>
> National Association of Blind Students
>
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> Message: 21
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:02:04 -0400
> From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> 	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] To Helga
> Message-ID: <C25198FCE2844988B840371C76FC4E18 at robert9999b7cf>
> Content-Type: text/plain;	charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dear Helga, This is RJ. We just spoke on skype.
> My email adress is:
> joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
> My skype name is:
> smallistbaby1979
> Thanks RJ
>
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>
> Message: 22
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:11:20 -0500
> From: Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
> To: "Ashley and Landon Coleman" <amc05111 at gmail.com>,	"National
> 	Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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> Hi Ty,
> I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a dorm, I
> was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's housing department
>
> a letter explaining that I need a room to myself because my equipment took
> up more room than what a sighted person does. I didn't even have a dog, but
>
> I still got a room to my self on those grounds, so I definitely think that
> you would have good grounds for requesting a room to yourself because you
> have a dog as well. When I wrote the department, I was able to get
> everything straightened out even before the semester started, so I was able
>
> to move in to my own room right when I moved in for the semester. The only
> thing I shared was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but
> that wasn't a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because
>
> I had my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have
> taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to the
> housing department or even the disability services office about getting
> these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as most apartments
> require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at least three times the
> rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for an apartment without a
> full-time job and good credit and rental history. This has been my number
> one problem with apartments, as I don't meet the standard qualifications of
>
> at least three times the rent, so it can be particularly hard for college
> students who do not make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room
> to
>
> yourself, it may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
> Hope this helps,
> Misty
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
>
> Hi,
> If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
> Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
> where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
> dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
> I know.
> Ashley
>
>
>
>
> On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio
>> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty
>> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay
>> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room.
>> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
>> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
>> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who
>> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food on
>>
>> the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to move
>> around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. This
>> last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be comfortable
>>
>> with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" around the
>> middle
>
>> of the semester but didn't want to move. He would physically push O'Mally
>>
>> away from him when he got to close.
>>
>> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost
>> touch
>
>> the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to much room
>> to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>>
>> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will
>> be
>
>> with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in five
>> and
>
>> not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my entire
>> months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) and I'd
>> get
>
>> $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the store and
>> back
>
>> again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to
>>
>> and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly worried about
>> winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting to the store
>> will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>>
>> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular
>> cell
>
>> is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a loan,
>>
>> but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I usually
>> get.
>
>> Are there good resources for something like this?
>>
>> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>>
>
> --
> Thank you
> Ashley Coleman
>
> Blinkie Chicks
> Social Media Manager
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> Message: 23
> Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:30:32 -0500
> From: Candice Chapman <chapman.candicel at gmail.com>
> To: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com>,	National Association
> 	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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> Hello again,
>
> So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio
> teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual
> state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a
> class. Here's a message about the idea from her:
>
> Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud.
> Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven?t developed the kind of
> speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I
> downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create
> documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by
> line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a
> little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another
> was being read, but it really did work well. I?d be glad to talk with
> anyone
> who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel
> free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
>
> Hope this is helpful for you all!
>
> Best,
>
> Candice
>
>> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
>> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
>> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
>> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
>> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
>> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
>> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
>> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
>> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
>> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
>> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
>> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
>> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
>> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
>> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
>> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
>> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
>> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
>> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
>> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
>> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
>> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
>> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
>> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
>> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
>> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
>> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
>> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
>> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
>> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
>> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
>> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
>> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
>> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
>> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
>> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
>> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
>> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
>> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
>> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
>> view on that aspect.
>>
>> Shickeytha
>>
>>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>>> have given so far.
>>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>>> convey my points more strongly.
>>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>>> public speaking competitions.
>>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>>> circumvent this problem?
>>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Rahul
>>>
>>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far.  Here are a few more
>>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention.  You
>>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>>> pretty distracting to the audience.  No matter how you choose to
>>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>>> if you ask me).
>>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>>> explaining your view to the class.  Since no one else is reading
>>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>>> remember what the letters/words mean.  There are benefits and
>>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection.  I
>>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter.  You speak to
>>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>>> positive.  Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>>> posture, movement etc.  You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>>> they react appropriately to something you've said.  For example,
>>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate.  If you hear a lot of
>>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>>> approach.
>>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>>> opinion.  Be yourself.  If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>>> it.  If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>>> posture in one area.  As Joe said, these things need to look
>>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with.  If you
>>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc.  then by all
>>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>>> anything.
>>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>> Lizzy
>>>>
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 21:55:27 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 17:55:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division of the National Federation of the
	Blind
References: <006601cf8f28$aea0eec0$0be2cc40$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D53CAFD4D5D457DB8B4A3C0A7ACCEE7@robert9999b7cf>

Sean, An organization is only successfull if the members of said 
organization work together. The pastor can't do it all on his own. The 
people have to do their part in order for the church to run smoothly. I'm 
speaking from a secular point of view. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Sean Whalen via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:18 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division of the National Federation of the Blind


> Good afternoon,
>
>
>
> I have been closely following the various threads we have working here on
> the list, and I feel obliged to come out and make a couple points 
> absolutely
> clear. Several messages, while I'm sure this was not the intention, have
> suggested or implied that NABS views itself or functions as something
> separate or apart from the National Federation of the Blind. In fact, this
> notion seems to have become a campaign issue in some cases. I am all for a
> healthy discourse on the future of NABS, where we can improve, where we 
> have
> fallen short, etc. But I would urge that we confine this discourse to 
> issues
> that are actually issues. Could the relationship between NABS and our
> leaders in Baltimore be strengthened? Yes, of course it could. Things can
> always be improved and we should always be striving to make things better.
> But I do not want anybody following these posts to come away with the
> impression that NABS' leadership and national leadership do not have a 
> rock
> solid working relationship. Moreover, I do not want anybody to embrace the
> mistaken notion that we on the NABS Board, and in NABS in general, are not
> actively engaged in supporting the work of the Federation.
>
>
>
> On the first point regarding collaboration and cooperation between the 
> NABS
> Board and the National Center for the Blind in Baltimore, our 
> headquarters,
> let me say without equivocation: Dr. Maurer is the leader of NFB and NABS. 
> I
> shouldn't have to say it. There is no question here. But, more to the 
> point,
> Dr. Maurer is a mentor, partner and friend. Likewise with Anil Lewis, Mark
> Riccobono, Jesse Hartle and numerous other national leaders. When NABS has
> faced difficulties or when I have needed advice and support I have picked 
> up
> the phone and called Dr. Maurer and our other leaders. Without exception
> they have been supportive and willing to help. NABS is NFB and NFB is 
> NABS,
> success for either is success for both. When our organization has 
> undertaken
> initiatives of particular import to students, NABS has always been eager 
> and
> ready to do what we can to support the work of our Federation. We
> collaborated closely with Anil Lewis and Dr. Maurer to put on a student
> leadership seminar last June. Led by Cindy Bennett, NABS has worked side 
> by
> side with our governmental affairs team to collect student stories
> highlighting the need for the TEACH Act. These are but two examples. The
> bottom line is that I know that I can call upon our national leadership 
> for
> guidance and support and have frequently done so. And while I can't speak
> for anybody, I am reasonably certain that our national leaders know that
> they can call on me and on NABS. Many of our leaders are folks who I
> consider friends. And I am certainly not the only member of the NABS Board
> who enjoys both professional and personal relationships with the 
> leadership
> of our movement.
>
>
>
> Now, on the question of how engaged NABS is in the work of the NFB; the
> proof is in the pudding. Seven of the nine NABS Board members currently
> serve in the leadership of their local chapters or state affiliates, and
> some on both. I myself, though currently holding no elected position 
> outside
> of NABS, have served as Treasurer of two chapters and on the board of the
> NFB of Wisconsin. I am also active in my state. We have several folks on 
> our
> board who work as BELL coordinators. Start looking off the board and at 
> our
> membership, and we are only scratching the surface. NABS members are an
> active and vital part of the NFB, and to suggest otherwise either exhibits 
> a
> misunderstanding of the facts or is downright disingenuous. Let me be 
> clear.
> We can do better. We must do better in order to realize the goals toward
> which we are all working. However, the idea that NABS is a simple social
> club whose members are not involved in real work on the part of the
> Federation misses the mark and fails to acknowledge a lot of folks who are
> doing good work on behalf of the cause.
>
>
>
> Again, I am not saying that things are perfect or no work is needed. NABS
> could do a better job communicating with our leadership, as well as with 
> our
> members. I could have done a better job personally as President on these
> issues. But I am absolutely proud of the work we have done and stand firm 
> in
> my conviction that NABS is bigger, stronger, more transparent, better
> funded, and more active than it was five years ago when I came onto the
> board under Arielle Silverman, who, despite her modest post to this list,
> deserves a whole lot of the credit for strengthening our division and our
> entire organization. Arielle was a strong leader who was always ready to
> listen to and consider other points of view. She enabled all of us to
> contribute. I'll wrap up this message by thanking her for that. Arielle
> taught me some valuable lessons about leadership, and I have always tried 
> to
> follow her example of inclusiveness and deliberation. I hope I have
> succeeded in living up to her example in this regard.
>
>
>
> As always, please feel free to be in touch with any thoughts, questions or
> suggestions about NABS and the work we all do together.
>
>
>
> Many thanks,
>
>
>
> Sean
>
>
>
> Sean Whalen
>
> President, National Association of Blind Students
>
> (608) 332-4147
>
> Nabs.president at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 22:33:10 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:33:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>

When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I should
have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board almost
ten years ago.

What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
accomplish as a general member?

--
Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

Visit my blog:
http://joeorozco.com/blog

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions

All,
In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list, it
is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
NABS candidates' forum.
The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
questions please visit the following link and submit them.
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this organization
to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take it
there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call, but
in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!



--
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
--
Maya Angelou

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 22:34:37 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:34:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division of the National Federation of the
	Blind
In-Reply-To: <8D53CAFD4D5D457DB8B4A3C0A7ACCEE7@robert9999b7cf>
References: <006601cf8f28$aea0eec0$0be2cc40$@gmail.com>
	<8D53CAFD4D5D457DB8B4A3C0A7ACCEE7@robert9999b7cf>
Message-ID: <D72813F8-A034-4E98-B8F7-96F69F0315F6@gmail.com>

Hello all,
RJ, would you mind elaborating further on your secular analogy?
Best,
Darian

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 2:55 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sean, An organization is only successfull if the members of said organization work together. The pastor can't do it all on his own. The people have to do their part in order for the church to run smoothly. I'm speaking from a secular point of view. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Sean Whalen via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 5:18 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS: A Division of the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> 
>> Good afternoon,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have been closely following the various threads we have working here on
>> the list, and I feel obliged to come out and make a couple points absolutely
>> clear. Several messages, while I'm sure this was not the intention, have
>> suggested or implied that NABS views itself or functions as something
>> separate or apart from the National Federation of the Blind. In fact, this
>> notion seems to have become a campaign issue in some cases. I am all for a
>> healthy discourse on the future of NABS, where we can improve, where we have
>> fallen short, etc. But I would urge that we confine this discourse to issues
>> that are actually issues. Could the relationship between NABS and our
>> leaders in Baltimore be strengthened? Yes, of course it could. Things can
>> always be improved and we should always be striving to make things better.
>> But I do not want anybody following these posts to come away with the
>> impression that NABS' leadership and national leadership do not have a rock
>> solid working relationship. Moreover, I do not want anybody to embrace the
>> mistaken notion that we on the NABS Board, and in NABS in general, are not
>> actively engaged in supporting the work of the Federation.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On the first point regarding collaboration and cooperation between the NABS
>> Board and the National Center for the Blind in Baltimore, our headquarters,
>> let me say without equivocation: Dr. Maurer is the leader of NFB and NABS. I
>> shouldn't have to say it. There is no question here. But, more to the point,
>> Dr. Maurer is a mentor, partner and friend. Likewise with Anil Lewis, Mark
>> Riccobono, Jesse Hartle and numerous other national leaders. When NABS has
>> faced difficulties or when I have needed advice and support I have picked up
>> the phone and called Dr. Maurer and our other leaders. Without exception
>> they have been supportive and willing to help. NABS is NFB and NFB is NABS,
>> success for either is success for both. When our organization has undertaken
>> initiatives of particular import to students, NABS has always been eager and
>> ready to do what we can to support the work of our Federation. We
>> collaborated closely with Anil Lewis and Dr. Maurer to put on a student
>> leadership seminar last June. Led by Cindy Bennett, NABS has worked side by
>> side with our governmental affairs team to collect student stories
>> highlighting the need for the TEACH Act. These are but two examples. The
>> bottom line is that I know that I can call upon our national leadership for
>> guidance and support and have frequently done so. And while I can't speak
>> for anybody, I am reasonably certain that our national leaders know that
>> they can call on me and on NABS. Many of our leaders are folks who I
>> consider friends. And I am certainly not the only member of the NABS Board
>> who enjoys both professional and personal relationships with the leadership
>> of our movement.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Now, on the question of how engaged NABS is in the work of the NFB; the
>> proof is in the pudding. Seven of the nine NABS Board members currently
>> serve in the leadership of their local chapters or state affiliates, and
>> some on both. I myself, though currently holding no elected position outside
>> of NABS, have served as Treasurer of two chapters and on the board of the
>> NFB of Wisconsin. I am also active in my state. We have several folks on our
>> board who work as BELL coordinators. Start looking off the board and at our
>> membership, and we are only scratching the surface. NABS members are an
>> active and vital part of the NFB, and to suggest otherwise either exhibits a
>> misunderstanding of the facts or is downright disingenuous. Let me be clear.
>> We can do better. We must do better in order to realize the goals toward
>> which we are all working. However, the idea that NABS is a simple social
>> club whose members are not involved in real work on the part of the
>> Federation misses the mark and fails to acknowledge a lot of folks who are
>> doing good work on behalf of the cause.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Again, I am not saying that things are perfect or no work is needed. NABS
>> could do a better job communicating with our leadership, as well as with our
>> members. I could have done a better job personally as President on these
>> issues. But I am absolutely proud of the work we have done and stand firm in
>> my conviction that NABS is bigger, stronger, more transparent, better
>> funded, and more active than it was five years ago when I came onto the
>> board under Arielle Silverman, who, despite her modest post to this list,
>> deserves a whole lot of the credit for strengthening our division and our
>> entire organization. Arielle was a strong leader who was always ready to
>> listen to and consider other points of view. She enabled all of us to
>> contribute. I'll wrap up this message by thanking her for that. Arielle
>> taught me some valuable lessons about leadership, and I have always tried to
>> follow her example of inclusiveness and deliberation. I hope I have
>> succeeded in living up to her example in this regard.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> As always, please feel free to be in touch with any thoughts, questions or
>> suggestions about NABS and the work we all do together.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Many thanks,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sean
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sean Whalen
>> 
>> President, National Association of Blind Students
>> 
>> (608) 332-4147
>> 
>> Nabs.president at gmail.com
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com
> 
> 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 22:56:32 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:56:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
In-Reply-To: <00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyGYnd+EyOCk++KGLQnX7BS8_48734hB5fJEuYcN5XdHg@mail.gmail.com>

That's a great question! I hope you submitted it on the survey!
Cindy

On 6/23/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I should
> have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board almost
> ten years ago.
>
> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
> accomplish as a general member?
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>
> All,
> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list, it
> is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
> NABS candidates' forum.
> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
> questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
> questions please visit the following link and submit them.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
> organization
> to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take it
> there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call, but
> in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>
>
>
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget
> what
> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
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>


-- 
Cindy Bennett
Secretary: National Association of Blind Students

B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
clb5590 at gmail.com


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 23:08:36 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 16:08:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
In-Reply-To: <00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <432832A0-7087-4AF0-B4FF-9E796A991B3A@gmail.com>

Dear all,
I don't know about all of you but I'm very appreciative to Mary Fernandez for her tireless work in putting together our mentoring program and candidates forum.
Mary is an example of an individual who ran for a board position, didn't get it, but saw that she never really needed it in order to make an impact and to do her part in advancing our cause   
My hope is that we all can support her by submitting a question or two to use as a part of this election forum 
  
Efforts such as this, that the individuals both on and off of the nabs bored undertake both in front and behind-the-scenes are just what is needed to make sure that the organization is being served.
We as leaders have the opportunity and obligation to do the best that we can and constantly seek out ways to improve in all aspects of what we do. 
Equally so, our membership has a responsibility to not only seek out ways that the board/division can improve, but to be active participants and helping the division improve as a vehicle for collective action and a mechanism of change is just one part of the national Federation of the blind.
  So, let's build and support, learn and grow,, challenge and commend each other.
And now… Let's help make this the best candidates forum yet!

  Darian

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I should
> have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board almost
> ten years ago.
> 
> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
> accomplish as a general member?
> 
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> 
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
> 
> All,
> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list, it
> is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
> NABS candidates' forum.
> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
> questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
> questions please visit the following link and submit them.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this organization
> to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take it
> there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call, but
> in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 23:10:26 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:10:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
In-Reply-To: <432832A0-7087-4AF0-B4FF-9E796A991B3A@gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-uqdVaiohQtKdbezmoYN9hkEx0cVLsbFiO03bEd7CLGoQ@mail.gmail.com>	<00a601cf8f33$1d720730$58561590$@gmail.com>
	<432832A0-7087-4AF0-B4FF-9E796A991B3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004001cf8f38$521b38d0$f651aa70$@gmail.com>

Okay; can you resend me the email to that? 
Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:09 PM
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions

Dear all,
I don't know about all of you but I'm very appreciative to Mary Fernandez for her tireless work in putting together our mentoring program and candidates forum.
Mary is an example of an individual who ran for a board position, didn't get it, but saw that she never really needed it in order to make an impact and to do her part in advancing our cause   
My hope is that we all can support her by submitting a question or two to use as a part of this election forum 
  
Efforts such as this, that the individuals both on and off of the nabs bored undertake both in front and behind-the-scenes are just what is needed to make sure that the organization is being served.
We as leaders have the opportunity and obligation to do the best that we can and constantly seek out ways to improve in all aspects of what we do. 
Equally so, our membership has a responsibility to not only seek out ways that the board/division can improve, but to be active participants and helping the division improve as a vehicle for collective action and a mechanism of change is just one part of the national Federation of the blind.
  So, let's build and support, learn and grow,, challenge and commend each other.
And now… Let's help make this the best candidates forum yet!

  Darian

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each 
> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I 
> should have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS 
> board almost ten years ago.
> 
> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could 
> not accomplish as a general member?
> 
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> 
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
> Fernandez via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
> 
> All,
> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this 
> list, it is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted 
> questions for the NABS candidates' forum.
> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have 
> been questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any 
> burning questions please visit the following link and submit them.
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this 
> organization to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be 
> the best to take it there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call, 
> but in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
> 
> 
> 
> --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will 
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
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From kea.anderson at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 23:48:18 2014
From: kea.anderson at gmail.com (Karen Anderson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:48:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Johns Hopkins study
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I have been asked to forward the following information to the student list.
This could be a great opportunity if you're going to convention!

 

Karen Anderson

First Vice President, National Association of Blind Students

 

*****

 

The National Federation of the Blind has generously agreed to let us conduct
a research study at the 2014 Convention. I wonder whether you would be kind
enough to forward our study announcement to the relevant list-serves? I've
pasted the announcement below. 

Thank you in advance for your assistance. Please let me know if I can
provide any further information. 

Marina Bedny

------------------------------------------------------------
Marina Bedny, Ph.D
Assistant Professor 
Department of Psychological & Brain Sciences
Johns Hopkins University
Ames Hall 225
3400 N. Charles St. 
Baltimore, MD 21218
Office phone: 410-516-2841
http://pbs.jhu.edu/research/bedny/index.html
marina.bedny at jhu.edu

Research Study at the National Federation of the Blind 2014 Convention

The Neuroplasticity and Development Lab invites participants to take part in
research studies at the 2014 National Federation of the Blind convention.
The studies involve listening to sentences, listening to tones, reading
Braille and answering questions. The goal of this research is to better
understand how visual and non-visual experiences contribute to cognition.

There are two studies. You can choose to participate in either one or both
of these studies. Each study takes 2 hours and participants are compensated
$60 for taking part in each study. Prior to scheduling a study appointment
we ask that you complete a pre-screening interview over the phone to ensure
that you qualify. Among the qualification criteria, participants must be
congenitally and totally blind and between 18 and 50 years of age. The
screening interview takes between 15 to 30 minutes. Those who take part in
the interview will receive a $15 Amazon gift certificate. To find out if you
qualify and to sign up for appointment please contact us by either calling
(410) 870-9895 or emailing plasticity_lab at jhu.edu.

Thank you for reading our announcement and we look forward to seeing you at
the National Federation of the Blind convention.  

Marina Bedny, Ph.D.

Director of Neuroplasticity & Development Lab

Assistant Professor

Department of Psychological and Brain Sciences

Johns Hopkins University
marina.bedny at jhu.edu

 

 


From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Mon Jun 23 23:56:24 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:56:24 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank You
Message-ID: <baeb7a7a57de4f0eb87fffeceb37f82e@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

Before I begin the main content of this message, I want to talk with everyone briefly about how to read my messages.
During evening airlight flights, it is customary for passenters to look out their windows and view the lights on the ground beneath them. When flying between New York and Boston, there remains one stretch of land where there is total darkness: the hills of northeastern Connecticut, often called "The Last Green Valley." This is where I grew up, and this is where I learned many of my speech patterns. Our words are direct and authentic, and we do not communicate by inserting meaning between the lines. If we feel something, we express it specifically.
I really appreciate the discussion we've generated about the progress and future of NABS, as well as the philosophical relationship between organizations and individualism. I like to think deeply about the world and am grateful to have friends who will do it with me, especially about something so important.

When I asked about transparency, I was truly looking for members' opinions to help draw a conclusion about our progress and to help formulate future plans. I always want to understand our movement better, and, as Gabe said, this is something we have been discussing for a while. I especially appreciate the posts of Elizabeth Mohnke, Garrett Mooney, and Arielle. These three outlined the needs for improvement, the success we've achieved, and the road to get there; I take them to heart.

On the discussion of individualism and organizations, I have also seen great comments. I love the ideas about self-awareness. A point that I would like to insert is that the individual and organization can strengthen each other, and I believe that this is the case in the Federation. I am stronger and more successful because of the Federation, and I like to believe that the Federation is stronger and more successful because of me.

In some messages on this list, it appears to me that some here think that I have some negative feelings toward the rest of our board, and I'm not sure how to effectively demonstrate that this is not the case. I still love each and every member of the NABS board. Siblings can disagree on things and still love each other. Life is too short to hold onto negative feelings. Sean has been a mentor and teacher to me, and I believe that I have gotten from him what I need in order to serve in his position effectively. The most important role of any president is preparing the membership for the days after his departure. We have what we need. When I explain the areas where I want to focus on strengthening NABS, it does not mean that we are horrible failures in those areas; it simply means I am most interested in focusing on those areas.

If I am elected President of the National Association of Blind Students, I will bring authentic and direct communication with no messages between the lines. I want to focus on strengthening the relationship between NABS and the National Federation of the Blind and those between the NABS board and the state student divisions. I am always thinking about ways to improve and do not fear that an effort to improve condemns past progress. Your NABS is my NABS, and I want our NABS to be the best NABS it can be.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
Twitter: @_JSalisbury


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 23 23:59:38 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:59:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
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Here is the link again:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
Thanks.
And thank you for the kind odds Darian.
Mary F

On 6/23/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Okay; can you resend me the email to that?
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:09 PM
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>
> Dear all,
> I don't know about all of you but I'm very appreciative to Mary Fernandez
> for her tireless work in putting together our mentoring program and
> candidates forum.
> Mary is an example of an individual who ran for a board position, didn't get
> it, but saw that she never really needed it in order to make an impact and
> to do her part in advancing our cause
> My hope is that we all can support her by submitting a question or two to
> use as a part of this election forum
>
> Efforts such as this, that the individuals both on and off of the nabs bored
> undertake both in front and behind-the-scenes are just what is needed to
> make sure that the organization is being served.
> We as leaders have the opportunity and obligation to do the best that we can
> and constantly seek out ways to improve in all aspects of what we do.
> Equally so, our membership has a responsibility to not only seek out ways
> that the board/division can improve, but to be active participants and
> helping the division improve as a vehicle for collective action and a
> mechanism of change is just one part of the national Federation of the
> blind.
>   So, let's build and support, learn and grow,, challenge and commend each
> other.
> And now... Let's help make this the best candidates forum yet!
>
>   Darian
>
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
>> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I
>> should have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS
>> board almost ten years ago.
>>
>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could
>> not accomplish as a general member?
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>> Fernandez via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>>
>> All,
>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this
>> list, it is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted
>> questions for the NABS candidates' forum.
>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have
>> been questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any
>> burning questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
>> organization to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be
>> the best to take it there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight
>> tomorrow.
>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call,
>> but in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>>
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-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 00:50:25 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:50:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Candidates Forum participation informaation
Message-ID: <CADit0-vyQSnJaCW0WdkijUMymLt3znM7216UmW_Xn4-QGDrnkg@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening,
Thanks to those of you who have submitted some excellent questions,
please keep them coming!
The forum will take place on
Wednesday June 25
at 8:00 PM EST
It will be moderated by Patti Chang, chair of the scholarship committee.
WE will be using the NABS conference line:
Phone: 605-475-6700
Passcode: 7869673

The candidates participating will be Candice Chapman and Justin
Salisbury, both of whom are running for the President's position.
I know that some of you will be disappointed by the fact that we can't
accommodate other board positions. Though it's something we can
accommodate this year, this is something that, if the membership is
interested in, can probably be arranged for future elections. But
that's something to be decided as a group.
I remember that back in 2011, when we had an amazing campaign from
both presidential candidates, Isaiah Wilcox and Sean Whalen, it
occurred to me, at around 2:00 A.M., that it'd be great to have a
debate. People often complained that no one knew who was running until
they showed up at elections, and at that point, 90- seconds wasn't
enough to get to know a candidate well. That year we had a fantastic
election, and the close numbers as well as the turn out, demonstrated
an engagement and interest on behalf of the membership, and the
excellent job both gentleman had done in campaigning. Lets take this
opportunity to get to know both of our fellow NABS members. But lets
also remember what our responsibility as a membership is. There has
been a lot of back and forth about what NABS has and has not done. And
without commenting on the board, I'd like to remind all of us, that it
is our responsibility to shape the organization to what we want it to
be. As citizens, we must vote, that is the only way we have a voice.
IN this organization, not only can we vote, but we have direct access
to those we have elected to represent us. The greatest accountability
system is not put in place and reinforced by the governing body, it is
created and maintained by those who decided who would govern. I hope
that the discussions which have been sparked in lieu of this election
do not fizzle away when there aren't exciting developments. I hope
that they continue, that they grow, and that they energize this
organization. Students and young professionals have the opportunity
not only to shape NABS but the NFB at large, but the only way to shape
is to be involved. So please, use all of that incredible energy,
critical thinking, and creativity to change and improve the
organization, and to nurture each other's skills and leadership. Don't
be afraid to think up ideas and call up whoever it takes to have
someone listen to them. Be ready to implement them. Come up with
innovative projects which can benefit the blind, and make them happen.
I hope that one day we will have not two but five or six NABS members
who want to run for president, and that the competition be intense,
because each member has contributed so much, that we as members will
have a hard time choosing.
All of that was to say to submit questions and call in on Wednesday!
But I did get a bit inspired...  --
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 01:05:54 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:05:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
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I agree that braille is alive today.

I don’t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and one can’t function without it.

Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad more portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.

Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the notes you think you’ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille, changing appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating tasks.

I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate for that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it, change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.

This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.

Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care of. I use braille functionally, and I’m never giving it up.

See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait, that was the wrong day. I’ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not my schedule,  to add it.

With feeling,

Antonio


On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello RJ,
> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest of society?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even becoming employed! RJ
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 01:11:48 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:11:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
	dictionary for $100
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Joshua,

Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?

I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.

This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.

There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.

I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.

I just used mine so I don’t misspell confusables twice.

Confused,

Antonio




On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
> college.  Have a great day all.
> 
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 01:19:48 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:19:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
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Indeed it would be most helpful to submit the questions off list for the sake of the process. I’d rather not prep or prompt anyone by posting our questions publicly.

Antonio

On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> That's a great question! I hope you submitted it on the survey!
> Cindy
> 
> On 6/23/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
>> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I should
>> have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board almost
>> ten years ago.
>> 
>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
>> accomplish as a general member?
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>> 
>> All,
>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list, it
>> is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
>> NABS candidates' forum.
>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
>> questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
>> questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
>> organization
>> to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take it
>> there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call, but
>> in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget
>> what
>> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
> 
> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
> clb5590 at gmail.com
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 01:29:08 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:29:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
In-Reply-To: <65D5361D-6817-41B3-8D9D-CD5218EFF954@gmail.com>
References: <CAFCkBpsAJb+o7fVLk9t9m5ibYiwTkSh1tC13i8U7zU16sH+Chg@mail.gmail.com>
	<65D5361D-6817-41B3-8D9D-CD5218EFF954@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E81CA364-8866-4486-A430-269E2465CE00@gmail.com>

I would add a couple of things:

Respect time limits or suggested lengths.

and speak about topics you know something about, or have a strong interest in. You will sound more confident, ad will speak with authority on your topic.

I’m a sticker for the time thing. I’ve learned to pay attention to fillers like hmms, ahhs, like, and, so.

my membership in toastmasters has been great for improving my presentation skills.

Toastmasters is an international public speaking organization, and chances are there is a club very close to where you live.

Antonio


On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> I was in FFA in my high school and went to a state public speaking competition. My advisor always told me several things to start with. First comes posture. Stand comfortably, although do not slouch. Keep your head up and try, although it may sound strange, to keep I contact with your audience. I accomplish this, as a person with only light perception, by constantly looking in different directions. I will focus on a particular side of the room at one point, then will turn my head slightly as my speech progresses. Next Is your voice. The reason I say to keep your head up is so that your voice will project properly out to your audience. If you must look at notecards, which can be done, but I prefer to memorize what I am going to say, you can definitely use an earbud or something similar to accomplish this task if your braille skillsare not what you think they should be. Speak clearly, but do not speak too loudly. This was my downfall at the competition. I got nervous and spoke too loudly. Although I delivered a good speech, the audience was alarmed at the volume of my speech. The next thing I will say maybe a little controversial. This involves hand gestures. I worked with a sighted person for hours on this, as I did not know what was natural and what was not. The goal is to use hand gestures to emphasize points in your speech, while making them natural and not too jerky. This can be difficult, which is why I recommend practicing a speech in front of someone who is sided who would be able to give you pointers. Finally, movement. I like to move when I speak, but, when I do, I move with purpose. I do not aimlessly walk around the space while talking.  each movement should have a purpose, either to engage with another part of your audience, or to emphasize the point. I was always told never to step backwards deliberately, but this is mainly for a competition. The last thing I will say is this. Have fun. Public speaking is great, and if you can relax, you can really get a good point across and enjoy doing it.
> I hope that helps,
> Aleeha
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy Friday All,
>> 
>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
>> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
>> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
>> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
>> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
>> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
>> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
>> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
>> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
>> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
>> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
>> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
>> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
>> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
>> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Shickeytha
>> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 01:59:11 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:59:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
In-Reply-To: <4EF93C49-7C13-4864-A081-0653C73A22DC@gmail.com>
References: <5ADD159DF3E54B01B567117E722C5995@robert9999b7cf>
	<65E2EC16-4074-4DC7-AAB0-A3FDF34B1F92@gmail.com>
	<4EF93C49-7C13-4864-A081-0653C73A22DC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDKR2QPsYPx4YdX87gERpq05Fgd1pY1Ba1PaOfy+sXDVA@mail.gmail.com>

Without technology, I wouldn't be able to read and write emails and
text messages in contracted Braille. Nor would I be able to write
research papers and send them to sighted colleagues using Braille,
spell-check and grammar-check my students' papers in Braille, etc.
It's ridiculous to pit Braille and technology against each other
because technology makes Braille flexible and portable as Antonio
pointed out. The real problem is that Braille technology is so
expensive it doesn't make Braille affordable or accessible to all.
Arielle

On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree that braille is alive today.
>
> I don’t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and one
> can’t function without it.
>
> Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad more
> portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.
>
> Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the
> notes you think you’ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille, changing
> appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating tasks.
>
> I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment
> calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate for
> that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it,
> change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I
> ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.
>
> This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS
> presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a
> lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.
>
> Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care of. I
> use braille functionally, and I’m never giving it up.
>
> See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait, that
> was the wrong day. I’ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to
> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not my
> schedule,  to add it.
>
> With feeling,
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello RJ,
>> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back
>> burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that
>> we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the
>> rest of society?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in
>>> order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our
>>> techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to
>>> use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even
>>> becoming employed! RJ
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 02:05:58 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:05:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
In-Reply-To: <CAGWMWr6HrWGSDZeOrFZN0fDzjc6GpwLNsCFytxJUz53oa624Kw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGWMWr6HrWGSDZeOrFZN0fDzjc6GpwLNsCFytxJUz53oa624Kw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCVkg5BdZDiSM8rYNby-XnS47FKpVw9B3Kj+f8tV8g0yw@mail.gmail.com>

I think this is worthwhile research; please consider participating if
you qualify.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tali Spiegel <spiegeltali at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:36:21 -0400
Subject: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
To: blindacademics at mailman.rice.edu

Dear all,

I am a doctoral student at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands,
in the sociology department. Alongside that I am also affected with RP. My
current research is on the wellbeing of individuals who are losing their
sight. For that I am looking for individuals who are losing their eyesight
and are willing to take an online survey. If you think you might have the
time and are interested in taking part in my study please click on the link
below. The first page will also indicate in more details who should
participate and what the study is about. In rough lines, if you are above
the age of 18, experiencing vision loss and living in the USA you are
eligible to participate in the study.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HKPHW3R

Many thanks in advance and enjoy your summer,
Tali

-- 
T. (Tali) Spiegel MSc | PhD Candidate | University of Groningen | Grote
Rozenstraat 19, 9712TG Groningen, The Netherlands | T +31 (0) 50 363 6219 |
www.rug.nl/staff/t.spiegel


From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 02:07:23 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:07:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
 dictionary for $100
In-Reply-To: <3A947EB5-BE7F-473C-9A74-8BD080242E0E@gmail.com>
References: <CADUoy9vv6FWyV-tM1j7cChrK_0rU_L7Z-QkhSwL9PuA1Dp1bPg@mail.gmail.com>
	<3A947EB5-BE7F-473C-9A74-8BD080242E0E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vH2T=HZ7p9u+E_WVufD8xWOqSxSOFEJpNtzYUOa9g=6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to all.  Yes, it is a Franklin Language Master as the dictionary is
called.  I used one of them in the school for the blind where I was
attending several years ago.  I bought one since I really liked them,
but I just don't use mine anymore.  It really is a very fun device.  I
even hooked up the dictionary to an amplifier I had.  Man, was that
ever loud, it didn't hurt the dictionary at all.  It was fun to make
the speech echo or repeat itself when I used some effects my amp had.
I really hope someone can use this.  Have a great evening all.

On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?
>
> I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they
> need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.
>
> This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.
>
> There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles
> feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.
>
> I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.
>
> I just used mine so I don’t misspell confusables twice.
>
> Confused,
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
>> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
>> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
>> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
>> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
>> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
>> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
>> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
>> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
>> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
>> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
>> college.  Have a great day all.
>>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Jun 24 02:26:45 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:26:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
Message-ID: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>

Hi all,
Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader. 
I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one knows what to do.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bridget
         

Sent from my iPad

From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 02:41:54 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (Minhh Ha)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:41:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
In-Reply-To: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
References: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <6F374CEA-A13A-48C4-A69F-47F6A64EA8C4@gmail.com>

Hi Bridget,

I don't know anything about the EDTPA, but Pearson has a whole accessibility division that handles stuff like this. You should get in touch with them and see what kind of support they offer. I've worked with them before for an online platform thing I was using for hs and they were very helpful.

Minh

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
> With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
> The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
> I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader. 
> I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one knows what to do.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bridget
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Jun 24 02:47:03 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
In-Reply-To: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
References: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <5B7230EB4E534D88B3109769F2C66565@OwnerPC>

hi,
wow, a ba in education! which part of education?
I tried it but was so discouraged. observing kids did not work so well for 
one thing. I also had an assignment in a reading class to read interactively 
to a child and I had no support.  they did not give me resources to find 
kids and I new none; so, finally in despiration my Ra found one cause I 
asked her.
I ran out of time to do the assignment. Most of the braille books I found 
were those he heard already and some of the time he was fidgity or moving 
about in front of me so I could not tell if he was listening well.
Being limited to braille books really sucked as it really limited my 
selection.

I  did not even do the running record assessment because I had no kid to do 
it with nor did I really know how to complete it nonvisually.
It was overwelming and discouraging.

To answer your question, I don't know. my experience with a pearson online 
software was  not positive; myMathLab wasn't assessible. I'm wondering if 
you could use a reader. that would be my best suggestion for an accomodation 
particularly with a video.
What will you study for the masters?

Good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA

Hi all,
Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree 
in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start 
grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the 
corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the 
LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in 
English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student 
teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of 
videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is 
reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going 
through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it 
is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader.
I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one 
knows what to do.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bridget


Sent from my iPad
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From trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 12:53:54 2014
From: trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com (Winona Brackett)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 08:53:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
Message-ID: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF files or audio formats.

 Which has worked best for you? 


Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona 

trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 

"Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 

Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 13:21:56 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:21:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
Message-ID: <53a97b92.b0e7ec0a.70f5.0f57@mx.google.com>

Hi Winna my name is Roanna Bacchus.  When I started college in 
August of 2011 my textbooks were on Cd's that came from Learning 
Ally.  The school that I attended loaned me a Cd player to play 
them on.  Today I start my first class at UCF where I will be 
pursuing my Bachelor's degree in Interdisciplinary Studies.  All 
my textbooks will be placed on a Usb thumb drive and I will be 
able to transfer them to my BrailleNote.


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 13:36:16 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:36:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
In-Reply-To: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e5e3p-v3j4DNy-_huQ0jphCRYCUFM0cChSjKuF2DTnbOg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Winona Brackett,

 First of all I do not use either JAWS or VoiceOver. However, I was
wondering if you could read the latest on this blog. Perhaps this will help
you decide. Please have a successful first year of college. Good Luck to
you in your future college endeavors.

A word of wisdom is also to check the memory and storage on your PC first
to ensure you have lots of space  and backup your important personal files
ahead of time because textbooks from college if they do have them available
in .PDF files then they will ultimately take up lots of storage space on
your PC hard drive, ultimately, losing some of your important files.
Utilize the ability to open downloads in new tabs and do not click on links
in your email. That is a helpful tip so viruses are prevented.


Below you will find a helpful link, please check it out. Hope thsi helps.

Accessibility Chatter Blog Post <http://accessibilitychatter.com/?p=18>


Jimmy Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Tue, Jun 24, 2014 at 8:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with
> JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF
> files or audio formats.
>
>  Which has worked best for you?
>
>
> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona
>
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>
> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you
> do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
>
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 13:43:11 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 09:43:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
Message-ID: <53a9808d.a8c1ec0a.1527.1483@mx.google.com>

Hi Jimmy I wanted to tell you that I found the teacher that I was 
looking quite from Perkins.  I wrote her an email and received a 
response the next day.  Thank you very much for your help with 
this.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 24 14:57:33 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:57:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
In-Reply-To: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
References: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E@aol.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS2253F0CDD64A362EEF658DBA1E0@phx.gbl>

Hello Bridget,

If you do not receive the responses you are looking for on this email list,
you may wish to post your questions on the Blind Educators email list. I am
honestly not quite sure what the traffic is like on this particular email
list, but I know there are lots of blind educators in the NFB who would be
willing to give you advice. 

Also, if you are attending national convention this year, you may benefit
from attending the Blind Educators meeting. It has been quite some time
since I attended this meeting, but I found it very helpful when I was
thinking about becoming an elementary school teacher. I have heard that in
more recent years they sometimes have breakout sessions for different areas
of education.

Sorry I cannot provide more of an answer for your specific questions, but
hopefully some of these resources will help you. 

Best of luck,
Elizabeth





-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:27 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA

Hi all,
Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree
in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start
grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the
LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student
teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of
videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader. 
I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one
knows what to do.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bridget
         

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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:11:07 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 10:11:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
In-Reply-To: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>

From my experience, PDF documents can be hit or miss. Usually Microsoft word works better. If you get the files as PDFs you can convert them to word files using robobraille.org
Hth
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF files or audio formats.
> 
> Which has worked best for you? 
> 
> 
> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona 
> 
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com 
> 
> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver 
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:20:38 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:20:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
In-Reply-To: <58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
	<58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9hU=vgxC3p8S646iZ0BoEfqqFcTYskRA+U10qsBJhKrkg@mail.gmail.com>

I agree with Alyssa. PDF's are hit or miss nowadays. I use either
robobraille.org or kurzweil to convert all my PDF's into MS word
documents. The readability of PDF's depends on the subject matter as
well. Math, science and anything along those lines aren't usually
formatted correctly in PDF's.
Minh

On 6/24/14, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> From my experience, PDF documents can be hit or miss. Usually Microsoft word
> works better. If you get the files as PDFs you can convert them to word
> files using robobraille.org
> Hth
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with
>> JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF
>> files or audio formats.
>>
>> Which has worked best for you?
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona
>>
>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>>
>> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you
>> do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:24:44 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:24:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
In-Reply-To: <58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
	<58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013501cf8fc0$6d981550$48c83ff0$@gmail.com>

Do I just upload the files to robo braille when I get to the site?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:11 AM
To: Winona Brackett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College textbook

>From my experience, PDF documents can be hit or miss. Usually Microsoft word
works better. If you get the files as PDFs you can convert them to word
files using robobraille.org Hth Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with
JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF
files or audio formats.
> 
> Which has worked best for you? 
> 
> 
> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona
> 
> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
> 
> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what 
> you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
> 
> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:25:43 2014
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:25:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
Message-ID: <002a01cf8fc0$9100b830$b3022890$@gmail.com>

Bridget,

I know that Pearson is in the midst of working with us at NFB to improve
accessibility for their whole line of instructional and testing materials. I
am not sure if you will be in Orlando for the convention, but they will be
there. Though it is not quite finalized, I think somebody from Pearson will
be presenting on the NABS agenda about the accessibility of their products.
If you are not coming to Orlando, let me know if you have trouble reaching
the right folks at Pearson and I can try to put you in touch.

Thanks,

Sean

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Today's Topics:

   1. Thank You (Justin Salisbury)
   2. Re: NABS candidates forum questions (Mary Fernandez)
   3. Candidates Forum participation informaation (Mary Fernandez)
   4. Re: Braille being placed on the back burnner (Antonio Guimaraes)
   5. Re: available one gently used electronic talking	dictionary
      for $100 (Antonio Guimaraes)
   6. Re: NABS candidates forum questions (Antonio Guimaraes)
   7. Re: Public Speaking (Antonio Guimaraes)
   8. Re: Braille being placed on the back burnner (Arielle Silverman)
   9. Fwd: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research (Arielle Silverman)
  10. Re: available one gently used electronic talking dictionary
      for $100 (Joshua Hendrickson)
  11. Two questions EDTPA (Bridget Walker)
  12. Re: Two questions EDTPA (Minhh Ha)
  13. Re: Two questions EDTPA (Ashley Bramlett)


----------------------------------------------------------------------

Message: 1
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:56:24 +0000
From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
To: "'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "List for NABS State
	Presidents (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org)"
<nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
Cc: "'ctabs at nfbnet.org'" <ctabs at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank You
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Fellow Federationists:

Before I begin the main content of this message, I want to talk with
everyone briefly about how to read my messages.
During evening airlight flights, it is customary for passenters to look out
their windows and view the lights on the ground beneath them. When flying
between New York and Boston, there remains one stretch of land where there
is total darkness: the hills of northeastern Connecticut, often called "The
Last Green Valley." This is where I grew up, and this is where I learned
many of my speech patterns. Our words are direct and authentic, and we do
not communicate by inserting meaning between the lines. If we feel
something, we express it specifically.
I really appreciate the discussion we've generated about the progress and
future of NABS, as well as the philosophical relationship between
organizations and individualism. I like to think deeply about the world and
am grateful to have friends who will do it with me, especially about
something so important.

When I asked about transparency, I was truly looking for members' opinions
to help draw a conclusion about our progress and to help formulate future
plans. I always want to understand our movement better, and, as Gabe said,
this is something we have been discussing for a while. I especially
appreciate the posts of Elizabeth Mohnke, Garrett Mooney, and Arielle. These
three outlined the needs for improvement, the success we've achieved, and
the road to get there; I take them to heart.

On the discussion of individualism and organizations, I have also seen great
comments. I love the ideas about self-awareness. A point that I would like
to insert is that the individual and organization can strengthen each other,
and I believe that this is the case in the Federation. I am stronger and
more successful because of the Federation, and I like to believe that the
Federation is stronger and more successful because of me.

In some messages on this list, it appears to me that some here think that I
have some negative feelings toward the rest of our board, and I'm not sure
how to effectively demonstrate that this is not the case. I still love each
and every member of the NABS board. Siblings can disagree on things and
still love each other. Life is too short to hold onto negative feelings.
Sean has been a mentor and teacher to me, and I believe that I have gotten
from him what I need in order to serve in his position effectively. The most
important role of any president is preparing the membership for the days
after his departure. We have what we need. When I explain the areas where I
want to focus on strengthening NABS, it does not mean that we are horrible
failures in those areas; it simply means I am most interested in focusing on
those areas.

If I am elected President of the National Association of Blind Students, I
will bring authentic and direct communication with no messages between the
lines. I want to focus on strengthening the relationship between NABS and
the National Federation of the Blind and those between the NABS board and
the state student divisions. I am always thinking about ways to improve and
do not fear that an effort to improve condemns past progress. Your NABS is
my NABS, and I want our NABS to be the best NABS it can be.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
Twitter: @_JSalisbury



------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:59:38 -0400
From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>, 	National
	Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
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Here is the link again:
https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
Thanks.
And thank you for the kind odds Darian.
Mary F

On 6/23/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Okay; can you resend me the email to that?
> Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian 
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:09 PM
> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>
> Dear all,
> I don't know about all of you but I'm very appreciative to Mary 
> Fernandez for her tireless work in putting together our mentoring 
> program and candidates forum.
> Mary is an example of an individual who ran for a board position, 
> didn't get it, but saw that she never really needed it in order to 
> make an impact and to do her part in advancing our cause My hope is 
> that we all can support her by submitting a question or two to use as 
> a part of this election forum
>
> Efforts such as this, that the individuals both on and off of the nabs 
> bored undertake both in front and behind-the-scenes are just what is 
> needed to make sure that the organization is being served.
> We as leaders have the opportunity and obligation to do the best that 
> we can and constantly seek out ways to improve in all aspects of what we
do.
> Equally so, our membership has a responsibility to not only seek out 
> ways that the board/division can improve, but to be active 
> participants and helping the division improve as a vehicle for 
> collective action and a mechanism of change is just one part of the 
> national Federation of the blind.
>   So, let's build and support, learn and grow,, challenge and commend 
> each other.
> And now... Let's help make this the best candidates forum yet!
>
>   Darian
>
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish 
>> each person running for office could have answered, and it's a 
>> question I should have been forced to answer before I took my spot in 
>> the NABS board almost ten years ago.
>>
>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could 
>> not accomplish as a general member?
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary 
>> Fernandez via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>>
>> All,
>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this 
>> list, it is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted 
>> questions for the NABS candidates' forum.
>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have 
>> been questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any 
>> burning questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this 
>> organization to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be 
>> the best to take it there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight 
>> tomorrow.
>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the 
>> call, but in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will 
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>>
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"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
--
Maya Angelou



------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:50:25 -0400
From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Candidates Forum participation informaation
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Good evening,
Thanks to those of you who have submitted some excellent questions,
please keep them coming!
The forum will take place on
Wednesday June 25
at 8:00 PM EST
It will be moderated by Patti Chang, chair of the scholarship committee.
WE will be using the NABS conference line:
Phone: 605-475-6700
Passcode: 7869673

The candidates participating will be Candice Chapman and Justin
Salisbury, both of whom are running for the President's position.
I know that some of you will be disappointed by the fact that we can't
accommodate other board positions. Though it's something we can
accommodate this year, this is something that, if the membership is
interested in, can probably be arranged for future elections. But
that's something to be decided as a group.
I remember that back in 2011, when we had an amazing campaign from
both presidential candidates, Isaiah Wilcox and Sean Whalen, it
occurred to me, at around 2:00 A.M., that it'd be great to have a
debate. People often complained that no one knew who was running until
they showed up at elections, and at that point, 90- seconds wasn't
enough to get to know a candidate well. That year we had a fantastic
election, and the close numbers as well as the turn out, demonstrated
an engagement and interest on behalf of the membership, and the
excellent job both gentleman had done in campaigning. Lets take this
opportunity to get to know both of our fellow NABS members. But lets
also remember what our responsibility as a membership is. There has
been a lot of back and forth about what NABS has and has not done. And
without commenting on the board, I'd like to remind all of us, that it
is our responsibility to shape the organization to what we want it to
be. As citizens, we must vote, that is the only way we have a voice.
IN this organization, not only can we vote, but we have direct access
to those we have elected to represent us. The greatest accountability
system is not put in place and reinforced by the governing body, it is
created and maintained by those who decided who would govern. I hope
that the discussions which have been sparked in lieu of this election
do not fizzle away when there aren't exciting developments. I hope
that they continue, that they grow, and that they energize this
organization. Students and young professionals have the opportunity
not only to shape NABS but the NFB at large, but the only way to shape
is to be involved. So please, use all of that incredible energy,
critical thinking, and creativity to change and improve the
organization, and to nurture each other's skills and leadership. Don't
be afraid to think up ideas and call up whoever it takes to have
someone listen to them. Be ready to implement them. Come up with
innovative projects which can benefit the blind, and make them happen.
I hope that one day we will have not two but five or six NABS members
who want to run for president, and that the competition be intense,
because each member has contributed so much, that we as members will
have a hard time choosing.
All of that was to say to submit questions and call in on Wednesday!
But I did get a bit inspired...  --
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou



------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:05:54 -0400
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com,	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

I agree that braille is alive today.

I don?t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and one
can?t function without it.

Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad more
portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.

Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the
notes you think you?ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille, changing
appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating tasks.

I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment
calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate for
that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it,
change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I
ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.

This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS
presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a
lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.

Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care of. I
use braille functionally, and I?m never giving it up.

See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait, that
was the wrong day. I?ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to
Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not my
schedule,  to add it.

With feeling,

Antonio


On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello RJ,
> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back
burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that we
might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest
of society?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in
order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our
techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to use
braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even becoming
employed! RJ
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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:11:48 -0400
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: louvins at gmail.com,	National Association of Blind Students mailing
	list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
	dictionary for $100
Message-ID: <3A947EB5-BE7F-473C-9A74-8BD080242E0E at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252

Joshua,

Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?

I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they
need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.

This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.

There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles
feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.

I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.

I just used mine so I don?t misspell confusables twice.

Confused,

Antonio




On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
> college.  Have a great day all.
> 
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:19:48 -0400
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: Cindy Bennet <clb5590 at gmail.com>,	National Association of Blind
	Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
Message-ID: <09664C29-E452-4B07-83BE-DD78611099C9 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252

Indeed it would be most helpful to submit the questions off list for the
sake of the process. I?d rather not prep or prompt anyone by posting our
questions publicly.

Antonio

On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> That's a great question! I hope you submitted it on the survey!
> Cindy
> 
> On 6/23/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
>> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I
should
>> have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board almost
>> ten years ago.
>> 
>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
>> accomplish as a general member?
>> 
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
Fernandez
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>> 
>> All,
>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list,
it
>> is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
>> NABS candidates' forum.
>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
>> questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
>> questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
>> organization
>> to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take
it
>> there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call,
but
>> in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget
>> what
>> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
> 
> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
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Message: 7
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:29:08 -0400
From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
To: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com,	National Association of Blind Students
	mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
Message-ID: <E81CA364-8866-4486-A430-269E2465CE00 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=windows-1252

I would add a couple of things:

Respect time limits or suggested lengths.

and speak about topics you know something about, or have a strong interest
in. You will sound more confident, ad will speak with authority on your
topic.

I?m a sticker for the time thing. I?ve learned to pay attention to fillers
like hmms, ahhs, like, and, so.

my membership in toastmasters has been great for improving my presentation
skills.

Toastmasters is an international public speaking organization, and chances
are there is a club very close to where you live.

Antonio


On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
> I was in FFA in my high school and went to a state public speaking
competition. My advisor always told me several things to start with. First
comes posture. Stand comfortably, although do not slouch. Keep your head up
and try, although it may sound strange, to keep I contact with your
audience. I accomplish this, as a person with only light perception, by
constantly looking in different directions. I will focus on a particular
side of the room at one point, then will turn my head slightly as my speech
progresses. Next Is your voice. The reason I say to keep your head up is so
that your voice will project properly out to your audience. If you must look
at notecards, which can be done, but I prefer to memorize what I am going to
say, you can definitely use an earbud or something similar to accomplish
this task if your braille skillsare not what you think they should be. Speak
clearly, but do not speak too loudly. This was my downfall at the
competition. I got nervous and spoke too loudly. Although I delivered a good
speech, the audience was alarmed at the volume of my speech. The next thing
I will say maybe a little controversial. This involves hand gestures. I
worked with a sighted person for hours on this, as I did not know what was
natural and what was not. The goal is to use hand gestures to emphasize
points in your speech, while making them natural and not too jerky. This can
be difficult, which is why I recommend practicing a speech in front of
someone who is sided who would be able to give you pointers. Finally,
movement. I like to move when I speak, but, when I do, I move with purpose.
I do not aimlessly walk around the space while talking.  each movement
should have a purpose, either to engage with another part of your audience,
or to emphasize the point. I was always told never to step backwards
deliberately, but this is mainly for a competition. The last thing I will
say is this. Have fun. Public speaking is great, and if you can relax, you
can really get a good point across and enjoy doing it.
> I hope that helps,
> Aleeha
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Happy Friday All,
>> 
>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
>> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
>> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
>> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
>> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
>> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
>> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
>> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
>> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
>> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
>> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
>> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
>> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
>> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
>> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>> 
>> Shickeytha
>> 
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Message: 8
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:59:11 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>, 	National Association
	of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
Message-ID:
	<CALAYQJDKR2QPsYPx4YdX87gERpq05Fgd1pY1Ba1PaOfy+sXDVA at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Without technology, I wouldn't be able to read and write emails and
text messages in contracted Braille. Nor would I be able to write
research papers and send them to sighted colleagues using Braille,
spell-check and grammar-check my students' papers in Braille, etc.
It's ridiculous to pit Braille and technology against each other
because technology makes Braille flexible and portable as Antonio
pointed out. The real problem is that Braille technology is so
expensive it doesn't make Braille affordable or accessible to all.
Arielle

On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree that braille is alive today.
>
> I don?t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and one
> can?t function without it.
>
> Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad more
> portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.
>
> Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the
> notes you think you?ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille,
changing
> appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating tasks.
>
> I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment
> calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate
for
> that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it,
> change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I
> ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.
>
> This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS
> presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a
> lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.
>
> Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care of.
I
> use braille functionally, and I?m never giving it up.
>
> See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait,
that
> was the wrong day. I?ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to
> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not my
> schedule,  to add it.
>
> With feeling,
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello RJ,
>> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back
>> burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that
>> we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the
>> rest of society?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in
>>> order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our
>>> techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to
>>> use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even
>>> becoming employed! RJ
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
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.com
>>
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:05:58 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,	Blind Talk Mailing List
<blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
	nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
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I think this is worthwhile research; please consider participating if
you qualify.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Tali Spiegel <spiegeltali at gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:36:21 -0400
Subject: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
To: blindacademics at mailman.rice.edu

Dear all,

I am a doctoral student at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands,
in the sociology department. Alongside that I am also affected with RP. My
current research is on the wellbeing of individuals who are losing their
sight. For that I am looking for individuals who are losing their eyesight
and are willing to take an online survey. If you think you might have the
time and are interested in taking part in my study please click on the link
below. The first page will also indicate in more details who should
participate and what the study is about. In rough lines, if you are above
the age of 18, experiencing vision loss and living in the USA you are
eligible to participate in the study.

https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HKPHW3R

Many thanks in advance and enjoy your summer,
Tali

-- 
T. (Tali) Spiegel MSc | PhD Candidate | University of Groningen | Grote
Rozenstraat 19, 9712TG Groningen, The Netherlands | T +31 (0) 50 363 6219 |
www.rug.nl/staff/t.spiegel



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Message: 10
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:07:23 -0500
From: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
To: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
	dictionary for $100
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	<CADUoy9vH2T=HZ7p9u+E_WVufD8xWOqSxSOFEJpNtzYUOa9g=6Q at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8

Hi to all.  Yes, it is a Franklin Language Master as the dictionary is
called.  I used one of them in the school for the blind where I was
attending several years ago.  I bought one since I really liked them,
but I just don't use mine anymore.  It really is a very fun device.  I
even hooked up the dictionary to an amplifier I had.  Man, was that
ever loud, it didn't hurt the dictionary at all.  It was fun to make
the speech echo or repeat itself when I used some effects my amp had.
I really hope someone can use this.  Have a great evening all.

On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com> wrote:
> Joshua,
>
> Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?
>
> I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they
> need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.
>
> This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.
>
> There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles
> feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.
>
> I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.
>
> I just used mine so I don?t misspell confusables twice.
>
> Confused,
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
>> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
>> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
>> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
>> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
>> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
>> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
>> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
>> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
>> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
>> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
>> college.  Have a great day all.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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>
>



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Message: 11
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:26:45 -0400
From: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
Message-ID: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E at aol.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Hi all,
Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree
in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start
grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the
LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student
teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of
videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader. 
I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one
knows what to do.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bridget
         

Sent from my iPad


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Message: 12
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:41:54 -0400
From: Minhh Ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
To: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,	National Association of
	Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
Message-ID: <6F374CEA-A13A-48C4-A69F-47F6A64EA8C4 at gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain;	charset=us-ascii

Hi Bridget,

I don't know anything about the EDTPA, but Pearson has a whole accessibility
division that handles stuff like this. You should get in touch with them and
see what kind of support they offer. I've worked with them before for an
online platform thing I was using for hs and they were very helpful.

Minh

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA
degree in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I
start grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
> With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the
LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
> The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration
student teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst
of videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
> I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader. 
> I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no
one knows what to do.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bridget
> 
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Message: 13
Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:03 -0400
From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
To: "Bridget Walker" <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>,	"National
Association
	of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
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hi,
wow, a ba in education! which part of education?
I tried it but was so discouraged. observing kids did not work so well for 
one thing. I also had an assignment in a reading class to read interactively

to a child and I had no support.  they did not give me resources to find 
kids and I new none; so, finally in despiration my Ra found one cause I 
asked her.
I ran out of time to do the assignment. Most of the braille books I found 
were those he heard already and some of the time he was fidgity or moving 
about in front of me so I could not tell if he was listening well.
Being limited to braille books really sucked as it really limited my 
selection.

I  did not even do the running record assessment because I had no kid to do 
it with nor did I really know how to complete it nonvisually.
It was overwelming and discouraging.

To answer your question, I don't know. my experience with a pearson online 
software was  not positive; myMathLab wasn't assessible. I'm wondering if 
you could use a reader. that would be my best suggestion for an accomodation

particularly with a video.
What will you study for the masters?

Good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA

Hi all,
Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA degree

in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I start 
grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the 
corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of the 
LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in 
English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the EDTPA.
The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration  student 
teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of 
videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is 
reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going 
through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it 
is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader.
I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no one

knows what to do.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Bridget


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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:26:58 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:26:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
	<58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
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Hi, I think it would depend on how you learn. If you're wanting to read 
Braille, then see if you could convert the PDF into a .brl file, then print 
it out. However, if you want to use audio, then do that. RJ
skype: smallistbaby1979
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Alyssa via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Winona Brackett" <trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College textbook


> From my experience, PDF documents can be hit or miss. Usually Microsoft 
> word works better. If you get the files as PDFs you can convert them to 
> word files using robobraille.org
> Hth
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with 
>> JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF 
>> files or audio formats.
>>
>> Which has worked best for you?
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona
>>
>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>>
>> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what you 
>> do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:43:42 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:43:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com><58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
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No, you'd send your email to convert at robobraille.org then put eather doc or 
txt into the subject of your email, then you would attatch the file to the 
email. RJ
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To: "'Alyssa'" <alyssahenson95 at gmail.com>; "'National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College textbook


> Do I just upload the files to robo braille when I get to the site?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:11 AM
> To: Winona Brackett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] College textbook
>
> From my experience, PDF documents can be hit or miss. Usually Microsoft 
> word
> works better. If you get the files as PDFs you can convert them to word
> files using robobraille.org Hth Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 7:53 AM, Winona Brackett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I will be going to college in the fall. How well do PDF files work with
> JAWS and VoiceOver?I am trying to decide if I want my text books in  PDF
> files or audio formats.
>>
>> Which has worked best for you?
>>
>>
>> Thank you for all the help in advance. Winona
>>
>> trumpetqueenwb at gmail.com
>>
>> "Ability is what you're capable of doing. Motivation determines what
>> you do. Attitude determines how well you do it." -Lou Holtz
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone using VoiceOver
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:44:30 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:44:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
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Message-ID: <9CF76C50177740EA9A82F52150B591B4@robert9999b7cf>

Sean, are you on skype? RJ
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To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 11:25 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA


> Bridget,
>
> I know that Pearson is in the midst of working with us at NFB to improve
> accessibility for their whole line of instructional and testing materials. 
> I
> am not sure if you will be in Orlando for the convention, but they will be
> there. Though it is not quite finalized, I think somebody from Pearson 
> will
> be presenting on the NABS agenda about the accessibility of their 
> products.
> If you are not coming to Orlando, let me know if you have trouble reaching
> the right folks at Pearson and I can try to put you in touch.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sean
>
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>   1. Thank You (Justin Salisbury)
>   2. Re: NABS candidates forum questions (Mary Fernandez)
>   3. Candidates Forum participation informaation (Mary Fernandez)
>   4. Re: Braille being placed on the back burnner (Antonio Guimaraes)
>   5. Re: available one gently used electronic talking dictionary
>      for $100 (Antonio Guimaraes)
>   6. Re: NABS candidates forum questions (Antonio Guimaraes)
>   7. Re: Public Speaking (Antonio Guimaraes)
>   8. Re: Braille being placed on the back burnner (Arielle Silverman)
>   9. Fwd: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research (Arielle Silverman)
>  10. Re: available one gently used electronic talking dictionary
>      for $100 (Joshua Hendrickson)
>  11. Two questions EDTPA (Bridget Walker)
>  12. Re: Two questions EDTPA (Minhh Ha)
>  13. Re: Two questions EDTPA (Ashley Bramlett)
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 23:56:24 +0000
> From: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>
> To: "'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, "List for NABS State
> Presidents (nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org)"
> <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: "'ctabs at nfbnet.org'" <ctabs at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Thank You
> Message-ID:
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> <baeb7a7a57de4f0eb87fffeceb37f82e at BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> Before I begin the main content of this message, I want to talk with
> everyone briefly about how to read my messages.
> During evening airlight flights, it is customary for passenters to look 
> out
> their windows and view the lights on the ground beneath them. When flying
> between New York and Boston, there remains one stretch of land where there
> is total darkness: the hills of northeastern Connecticut, often called 
> "The
> Last Green Valley." This is where I grew up, and this is where I learned
> many of my speech patterns. Our words are direct and authentic, and we do
> not communicate by inserting meaning between the lines. If we feel
> something, we express it specifically.
> I really appreciate the discussion we've generated about the progress and
> future of NABS, as well as the philosophical relationship between
> organizations and individualism. I like to think deeply about the world 
> and
> am grateful to have friends who will do it with me, especially about
> something so important.
>
> When I asked about transparency, I was truly looking for members' opinions
> to help draw a conclusion about our progress and to help formulate future
> plans. I always want to understand our movement better, and, as Gabe said,
> this is something we have been discussing for a while. I especially
> appreciate the posts of Elizabeth Mohnke, Garrett Mooney, and Arielle. 
> These
> three outlined the needs for improvement, the success we've achieved, and
> the road to get there; I take them to heart.
>
> On the discussion of individualism and organizations, I have also seen 
> great
> comments. I love the ideas about self-awareness. A point that I would like
> to insert is that the individual and organization can strengthen each 
> other,
> and I believe that this is the case in the Federation. I am stronger and
> more successful because of the Federation, and I like to believe that the
> Federation is stronger and more successful because of me.
>
> In some messages on this list, it appears to me that some here think that 
> I
> have some negative feelings toward the rest of our board, and I'm not sure
> how to effectively demonstrate that this is not the case. I still love 
> each
> and every member of the NABS board. Siblings can disagree on things and
> still love each other. Life is too short to hold onto negative feelings.
> Sean has been a mentor and teacher to me, and I believe that I have gotten
> from him what I need in order to serve in his position effectively. The 
> most
> important role of any president is preparing the membership for the days
> after his departure. We have what we need. When I explain the areas where 
> I
> want to focus on strengthening NABS, it does not mean that we are horrible
> failures in those areas; it simply means I am most interested in focusing 
> on
> those areas.
>
> If I am elected President of the National Association of Blind Students, I
> will bring authentic and direct communication with no messages between the
> lines. I want to focus on strengthening the relationship between NABS and
> the National Federation of the Blind and those between the NABS board and
> the state student divisions. I am always thinking about ways to improve 
> and
> do not fear that an effort to improve condemns past progress. Your NABS is
> my NABS, and I want our NABS to be the best NABS it can be.
>
> Sincerely yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
> Twitter: @_JSalisbury
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:59:38 -0400
> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>, National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
> Message-ID:
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>
> Here is the link again:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
> Thanks.
> And thank you for the kind odds Darian.
> Mary F
>
> On 6/23/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Okay; can you resend me the email to that?
>> Thanks.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 7:09 PM
>> To: jsoro620 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>>
>> Dear all,
>> I don't know about all of you but I'm very appreciative to Mary
>> Fernandez for her tireless work in putting together our mentoring
>> program and candidates forum.
>> Mary is an example of an individual who ran for a board position,
>> didn't get it, but saw that she never really needed it in order to
>> make an impact and to do her part in advancing our cause My hope is
>> that we all can support her by submitting a question or two to use as
>> a part of this election forum
>>
>> Efforts such as this, that the individuals both on and off of the nabs
>> bored undertake both in front and behind-the-scenes are just what is
>> needed to make sure that the organization is being served.
>> We as leaders have the opportunity and obligation to do the best that
>> we can and constantly seek out ways to improve in all aspects of what we
> do.
>> Equally so, our membership has a responsibility to not only seek out
>> ways that the board/division can improve, but to be active
>> participants and helping the division improve as a vehicle for
>> collective action and a mechanism of change is just one part of the
>> national Federation of the blind.
>>   So, let's build and support, learn and grow,, challenge and commend
>> each other.
>> And now... Let's help make this the best candidates forum yet!
>>
>>   Darian
>>
>>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish
>>> each person running for office could have answered, and it's a
>>> question I should have been forced to answer before I took my spot in
>>> the NABS board almost ten years ago.
>>>
>>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could
>>> not accomplish as a general member?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
>>> Fernandez via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>>>
>>> All,
>>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this
>>> list, it is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted
>>> questions for the NABS candidates' forum.
>>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have
>>> been questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any
>>> burning questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
>>> organization to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be
>>> the best to take it there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight
>>> tomorrow.
>>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the
>>> call, but in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mary Fernandez
>>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
>>> --
>>> Maya Angelou
>>>
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> --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget 
> what
> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 20:50:25 -0400
> From: Mary Fernandez <trillian551 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Candidates Forum participation informaation
> Message-ID:
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> Good evening,
> Thanks to those of you who have submitted some excellent questions,
> please keep them coming!
> The forum will take place on
> Wednesday June 25
> at 8:00 PM EST
> It will be moderated by Patti Chang, chair of the scholarship committee.
> WE will be using the NABS conference line:
> Phone: 605-475-6700
> Passcode: 7869673
>
> The candidates participating will be Candice Chapman and Justin
> Salisbury, both of whom are running for the President's position.
> I know that some of you will be disappointed by the fact that we can't
> accommodate other board positions. Though it's something we can
> accommodate this year, this is something that, if the membership is
> interested in, can probably be arranged for future elections. But
> that's something to be decided as a group.
> I remember that back in 2011, when we had an amazing campaign from
> both presidential candidates, Isaiah Wilcox and Sean Whalen, it
> occurred to me, at around 2:00 A.M., that it'd be great to have a
> debate. People often complained that no one knew who was running until
> they showed up at elections, and at that point, 90- seconds wasn't
> enough to get to know a candidate well. That year we had a fantastic
> election, and the close numbers as well as the turn out, demonstrated
> an engagement and interest on behalf of the membership, and the
> excellent job both gentleman had done in campaigning. Lets take this
> opportunity to get to know both of our fellow NABS members. But lets
> also remember what our responsibility as a membership is. There has
> been a lot of back and forth about what NABS has and has not done. And
> without commenting on the board, I'd like to remind all of us, that it
> is our responsibility to shape the organization to what we want it to
> be. As citizens, we must vote, that is the only way we have a voice.
> IN this organization, not only can we vote, but we have direct access
> to those we have elected to represent us. The greatest accountability
> system is not put in place and reinforced by the governing body, it is
> created and maintained by those who decided who would govern. I hope
> that the discussions which have been sparked in lieu of this election
> do not fizzle away when there aren't exciting developments. I hope
> that they continue, that they grow, and that they energize this
> organization. Students and young professionals have the opportunity
> not only to shape NABS but the NFB at large, but the only way to shape
> is to be involved. So please, use all of that incredible energy,
> critical thinking, and creativity to change and improve the
> organization, and to nurture each other's skills and leadership. Don't
> be afraid to think up ideas and call up whoever it takes to have
> someone listen to them. Be ready to implement them. Come up with
> innovative projects which can benefit the blind, and make them happen.
> I hope that one day we will have not two but five or six NABS members
> who want to run for president, and that the competition be intense,
> because each member has contributed so much, that we as members will
> have a hard time choosing.
> All of that was to say to submit questions and call in on Wednesday!
> But I did get a bit inspired...  --
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:05:54 -0400
> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> To: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
> Message-ID: <4EF93C49-7C13-4864-A081-0653C73A22DC at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> I agree that braille is alive today.
>
> I don?t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and one
> can?t function without it.
>
> Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad more
> portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.
>
> Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the
> notes you think you?ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille, 
> changing
> appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating tasks.
>
> I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment
> calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate 
> for
> that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it,
> change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I
> ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.
>
> This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS
> presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a
> lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.
>
> Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care of. 
> I
> use braille functionally, and I?m never giving it up.
>
> See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait, 
> that
> was the wrong day. I?ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to
> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not my
> schedule,  to add it.
>
> With feeling,
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello RJ,
>> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back
> burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think that 
> we
> might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the rest
> of society?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in
> order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our
> techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have to 
> use
> braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even 
> becoming
> employed! RJ
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:11:48 -0400
> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> To: louvins at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
> dictionary for $100
> Message-ID: <3A947EB5-BE7F-473C-9A74-8BD080242E0E at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Joshua,
>
> Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?
>
> I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they
> need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.
>
> This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.
>
> There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles
> feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.
>
> I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.
>
> I just used mine so I don?t misspell confusables twice.
>
> Confused,
>
> Antonio
>
>
>
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
>> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
>> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
>> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
>> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
>> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
>> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
>> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
>> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
>> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
>> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
>> college.  Have a great day all.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:19:48 -0400
> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> To: Cindy Bennet <clb5590 at gmail.com>, National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
> Message-ID: <09664C29-E452-4B07-83BE-DD78611099C9 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> Indeed it would be most helpful to submit the questions off list for the
> sake of the process. I?d rather not prep or prompt anyone by posting our
> questions publicly.
>
> Antonio
>
> On Jun 23, 2014, at 6:56 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> That's a great question! I hope you submitted it on the survey!
>> Cindy
>>
>> On 6/23/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> When I was an active member of NABS, there is one question I wish each
>>> person running for office could have answered, and it's a question I
> should
>>> have been forced to answer before I took my spot in the NABS board 
>>> almost
>>> ten years ago.
>>>
>>> What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not
>>> accomplish as a general member?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> Visit my blog:
>>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary
> Fernandez
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:05 AM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; Presidents
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS candidates forum questions
>>>
>>> All,
>>> In lieu of the conversations which have been taking place on this list,
> it
>>> is a bit surprising that just one person has submitted questions for the
>>> NABS candidates' forum.
>>> The forum will take place on Wednesday 6/25 at 8:00 pm EST.
>>> All of the questions asked of the presidential candidates will have been
>>> questions submitted by you, the membership. So if you have any burning
>>> questions please visit the following link and submit them.
>>> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/Z6W5J5Q
>>> Take this opportunity to really think about where you want this
>>> organization
>>> to go, and finding out which of the candidates would be the best to take
> it
>>> there. I will be closing the survey at Midnight tomorrow.
>>> I'll be sending a follow up announcement with the details of the call,
> but
>>> in the meantime take a minute to submit a question or two!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Mary Fernandez
>>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget
>>> what
>>> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>>> --
>>> Maya Angelou
>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Cindy Bennett
>> Secretary: National Association of Blind Students
>>
>> B.A. Psychology, UNC Wilmington
>> clb5590 at gmail.com
>>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:29:08 -0400
> From: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> To: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
> Message-ID: <E81CA364-8866-4486-A430-269E2465CE00 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252
>
> I would add a couple of things:
>
> Respect time limits or suggested lengths.
>
> and speak about topics you know something about, or have a strong interest
> in. You will sound more confident, ad will speak with authority on your
> topic.
>
> I?m a sticker for the time thing. I?ve learned to pay attention to fillers
> like hmms, ahhs, like, and, so.
>
> my membership in toastmasters has been great for improving my presentation
> skills.
>
> Toastmasters is an international public speaking organization, and chances
> are there is a club very close to where you live.
>
> Antonio
>
>
> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:23 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> I was in FFA in my high school and went to a state public speaking
> competition. My advisor always told me several things to start with. First
> comes posture. Stand comfortably, although do not slouch. Keep your head 
> up
> and try, although it may sound strange, to keep I contact with your
> audience. I accomplish this, as a person with only light perception, by
> constantly looking in different directions. I will focus on a particular
> side of the room at one point, then will turn my head slightly as my 
> speech
> progresses. Next Is your voice. The reason I say to keep your head up is 
> so
> that your voice will project properly out to your audience. If you must 
> look
> at notecards, which can be done, but I prefer to memorize what I am going 
> to
> say, you can definitely use an earbud or something similar to accomplish
> this task if your braille skillsare not what you think they should be. 
> Speak
> clearly, but do not speak too loudly. This was my downfall at the
> competition. I got nervous and spoke too loudly. Although I delivered a 
> good
> speech, the audience was alarmed at the volume of my speech. The next 
> thing
> I will say maybe a little controversial. This involves hand gestures. I
> worked with a sighted person for hours on this, as I did not know what was
> natural and what was not. The goal is to use hand gestures to emphasize
> points in your speech, while making them natural and not too jerky. This 
> can
> be difficult, which is why I recommend practicing a speech in front of
> someone who is sided who would be able to give you pointers. Finally,
> movement. I like to move when I speak, but, when I do, I move with 
> purpose.
> I do not aimlessly walk around the space while talking.  each movement
> should have a purpose, either to engage with another part of your 
> audience,
> or to emphasize the point. I was always told never to step backwards
> deliberately, but this is mainly for a competition. The last thing I will
> say is this. Have fun. Public speaking is great, and if you can relax, you
> can really get a good point across and enjoy doing it.
>> I hope that helps,
>> Aleeha
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Jun 20, 2014, at 5:06 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Happy Friday All,
>>>
>>> I am wondering if some of you would be willing to share tips and
>>> suggestions for effective public speaking as a blind person. One of my
>>> classes in Graduate School this coming semester involves doing several
>>> speeches. In my undergrad work, I had to do a few, but let it suffice
>>> to say that my public speaking skills were less than stellar. I think
>>> part of it is because of not feeling confident because I can't just
>>> look down and read from my notes (or a teleprompter, lol) like a
>>> sighted person could. My Braille skills are lacking also. I only read
>>> uncontracted Braille slowly. I have had a few suggestions that I might
>>> try, but I want to get as many ideas as possible. My VR counselor told
>>> me about another client who uses a Victor Reader to record speeches in
>>> advance and then has headphones playing while he is speaking, and he
>>> can pause the player as needed. Additionally, I took a PowerPoint
>>> course from the Hadley School last year, and the blind instructor told
>>> me that she uses Blue Tooth headphones to listen to her notes as she
>>> presents. I would love to hear from any of you who have strong public
>>> speaking skills and experience to learn your ideas that might be
>>> helpful to me. Thanks in advance!
>>>
>>> Shickeytha
>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 18:59:11 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Braille being placed on the back burnner
> Message-ID:
> <CALAYQJDKR2QPsYPx4YdX87gERpq05Fgd1pY1Ba1PaOfy+sXDVA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Without technology, I wouldn't be able to read and write emails and
> text messages in contracted Braille. Nor would I be able to write
> research papers and send them to sighted colleagues using Braille,
> spell-check and grammar-check my students' papers in Braille, etc.
> It's ridiculous to pit Braille and technology against each other
> because technology makes Braille flexible and portable as Antonio
> pointed out. The real problem is that Braille technology is so
> expensive it doesn't make Braille affordable or accessible to all.
> Arielle
>
> On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I agree that braille is alive today.
>>
>> I don?t subscribe to the argument that technology will break down, and 
>> one
>> can?t function without it.
>>
>> Technology and digital braille only means that braille is lighter, ad 
>> more
>> portable. It is also searchable, editable, and flexible.
>>
>> Try carrying a braille writer with you at all times. add to that all the
>> notes you think you?ll need. Try maintaining a calendar in braille,
> changing
>> appointments in it, and making recurring appointments for repeating 
>> tasks.
>>
>> I tried some of that once, and I could not maintain reliable appointment
>> calendar even with an entire page listing date and time. I used a slate
> for
>> that, and it took me time to get out the folder, find the day, read it,
>> change it,. I could never err ace, replace, or insert appointments, and I
>> ran out of space once I allocated a few lines to a time slot.
>>
>> This system would not allow me to search for the anticipated NABS
>> presidential forum by subject. Finding it would require reading through a
>> lot of braille pages, and maybe never finding the thing.
>>
>> Add the Braille Sense, and most of my note-taking needs are taken care 
>> of.
> I
>> use braille functionally, and I?m never giving it up.
>>
>> See you somewhere at the exhibit hall on Saturday at convention. Wait,
> that
>> was the wrong day. I?ll have to erase that note, and add a new one to
>> Tuesday, Wednesday, and Thursday if I have space on my calendar, if not 
>> my
>> schedule,  to add it.
>>
>> With feeling,
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello RJ,
>>> Not for a moment do I believe that Braille has ever been put on the back
>>> burner. What about all the Braille  displays that we use? Do I think 
>>> that
>>> we might rely on our technology a little too much? Yes, but, doesn't the
>>> rest of society?
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 8:29 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I feel that Braille is being This was back in 2004. I bring this up in
>>>> order to pose this question. Aren't we as blind people depending on our
>>>> techknollogy to much? What if your computer brakes down, and you have 
>>>> to
>>>> use braille? If you don't know braille, then you can forget about even
>>>> becoming employed! RJ
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>>>
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> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 19:05:58 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, Blind Talk Mailing List
> <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>,
> nfbwatlk at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
> Message-ID:
> <CALAYQJCVkg5BdZDiSM8rYNby-XnS47FKpVw9B3Kj+f8tV8g0yw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> I think this is worthwhile research; please consider participating if
> you qualify.
>
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Tali Spiegel <spiegeltali at gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 15:36:21 -0400
> Subject: [BlindAcademics] Doctoral research
> To: blindacademics at mailman.rice.edu
>
> Dear all,
>
> I am a doctoral student at the University of Groningen in the Netherlands,
> in the sociology department. Alongside that I am also affected with RP. My
> current research is on the wellbeing of individuals who are losing their
> sight. For that I am looking for individuals who are losing their eyesight
> and are willing to take an online survey. If you think you might have the
> time and are interested in taking part in my study please click on the 
> link
> below. The first page will also indicate in more details who should
> participate and what the study is about. In rough lines, if you are above
> the age of 18, experiencing vision loss and living in the USA you are
> eligible to participate in the study.
>
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/s/HKPHW3R
>
> Many thanks in advance and enjoy your summer,
> Tali
>
> -- 
> T. (Tali) Spiegel MSc | PhD Candidate | University of Groningen | Grote
> Rozenstraat 19, 9712TG Groningen, The Netherlands | T +31 (0) 50 363 6219 
> |
> www.rug.nl/staff/t.spiegel
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 21:07:23 -0500
> From: Joshua Hendrickson <louvins at gmail.com>
> To: Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com>
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] available one gently used electronic talking
> dictionary for $100
> Message-ID:
> <CADUoy9vH2T=HZ7p9u+E_WVufD8xWOqSxSOFEJpNtzYUOa9g=6Q at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
>
> Hi to all.  Yes, it is a Franklin Language Master as the dictionary is
> called.  I used one of them in the school for the blind where I was
> attending several years ago.  I bought one since I really liked them,
> but I just don't use mine anymore.  It really is a very fun device.  I
> even hooked up the dictionary to an amplifier I had.  Man, was that
> ever loud, it didn't hurt the dictionary at all.  It was fun to make
> the speech echo or repeat itself when I used some effects my amp had.
> I really hope someone can use this.  Have a great evening all.
>
> On 6/23/14, Antonio Guimaraes <freethaught at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Joshua,
>>
>> Are you talking about the Franklyn Talking Dictionary?
>>
>> I appreciate the post, and would encourage the first person to think they
>> need an accessible dictionary to contact Joshua.
>>
>> This device costs $450 new, if it is even sold anymore.
>>
>> There is a thesaurus, grammar guide, pronunciation guide, confusibles
>> feature, notes list, word list, and some cool games.
>>
>> I could even use it to correctly spell confusables in the line above.
>>
>> I just used mine so I don?t misspell confusables twice.
>>
>> Confused,
>>
>> Antonio
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 4:13 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi to all.  I know things aren't really sold on this list, but I was
>>> thinking what I have might help someone taking a lot of english
>>> classes.  I have an electronic talking dictionary that runs on four
>>> double a batteries for $100.  This dictionary has a lot of definitions
>>> of words, and also has some fun word games that can be played.  I'm
>>> not using it its just sitting under my bed, and I'd like to find
>>> someone who can use it.  I have paypal, and will also accept money
>>> orders.  I hope I'm not out of line by posting this, and I apologize
>>> in advance if I'm doing something wrong.  I can be reached at
>>> louvins at gmail.com, and also via phone at 815-209-9817.  If the
>>> dictionary is sold, it will help me saving up money for technology for
>>> college.  Have a great day all.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/freethaught%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 11
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:26:45 -0400
> From: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>
> To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
> Message-ID: <062E51BD-896E-4DE2-A6A4-31ED3B91560E at aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi all,
> Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA 
> degree
> in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I 
> start
> grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
> With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
> corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of 
> the
> LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
> English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the 
> EDTPA.
> The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration 
> student
> teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of
> videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
> reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
> I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
> through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
> is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader.
> I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no 
> one
> knows what to do.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 12
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:41:54 -0400
> From: Minhh Ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> To: Bridget Walker <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>, National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
> Message-ID: <6F374CEA-A13A-48C4-A69F-47F6A64EA8C4 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
> Hi Bridget,
>
> I don't know anything about the EDTPA, but Pearson has a whole 
> accessibility
> division that handles stuff like this. You should get in touch with them 
> and
> see what kind of support they offer. I've worked with them before for an
> online platform thing I was using for hs and they were very helpful.
>
> Minh
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 23, 2014, at 10:26 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA
> degree in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. 
> I
> start grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with 
> undergrad.
>> With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
> corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of 
> the
> LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
> English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the 
> EDTPA.
>> The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration
> student teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the 
> worst
> of videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
> reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
>> I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
> through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
> is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader.
>> I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no
> one knows what to do.
>> Any help is appreciated.
>> Thanks,
>> Bridget
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
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>
> Message: 13
> Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2014 22:47:03 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "Bridget Walker" <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>, "National
> Association
> of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
> Message-ID: <5B7230EB4E534D88B3109769F2C66565 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1";
> reply-type=original
>
> hi,
> wow, a ba in education! which part of education?
> I tried it but was so discouraged. observing kids did not work so well for
> one thing. I also had an assignment in a reading class to read 
> interactively
>
> to a child and I had no support.  they did not give me resources to find
> kids and I new none; so, finally in despiration my Ra found one cause I
> asked her.
> I ran out of time to do the assignment. Most of the braille books I found
> were those he heard already and some of the time he was fidgity or moving
> about in front of me so I could not tell if he was listening well.
> Being limited to braille books really sucked as it really limited my
> selection.
>
> I  did not even do the running record assessment because I had no kid to 
> do
> it with nor did I really know how to complete it nonvisually.
> It was overwelming and discouraging.
>
> To answer your question, I don't know. my experience with a pearson online
> software was  not positive; myMathLab wasn't assessible. I'm wondering if
> you could use a reader. that would be my best suggestion for an 
> accomodation
>
> particularly with a video.
> What will you study for the masters?
>
> Good luck.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message----- 
> From: Bridget Walker via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2014 10:26 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Two questions EDTPA
>
> Hi all,
> Within the next three semesters I will be officially completing my BA 
> degree
>
> in education while simultaneously starting my first masters degree. I 
> start
> grad school this fall even though I am not quite done with undergrad.
> With this in mind my teacher certification tests are right around the
> corner. I must take three. One is the ALST which is taking the place of 
> the
> LAST. This is due to the common core shift. The second is the CST in
> English. The third which is the one I am most concerned about is the 
> EDTPA.
> The EDTPA is a portfolio completed during the capstone or duration 
> student
> teaching. There are lesson plans, diagnostic criteria, and the worst of
> videos which need to be uploaded to this portfolio. The portfolio is
> reviewed by the board of education so it has to be spot on.
> I know the EDTPA comes from Pearson. Are there any education majors going
> through this? How do I go about getting accommodations for this because it
> is a test. I will need a platform compatible to a screen reader.
> I asked my college but, when it comes to state testing accommodations no 
> one
>
> knows what to do.
> Any help is appreciated.
> Thanks,
> Bridget
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 15:48:01 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 11:48:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
In-Reply-To: <013501cf8fc0$6d981550$48c83ff0$@gmail.com>
References: <9B5FBAE6-4F40-4E63-9AB7-8DCB2C03B20D@gmail.com>
	<58F718DD-8FEF-416C-A3B0-9D0FC8AE5B1A@gmail.com>
	<013501cf8fc0$6d981550$48c83ff0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9hBRzp=_pP4EG0Hv=HJQ=9gfC2j9itSUBxNhvFOc3OH8w@mail.gmail.com>

When you get to the site, it gives you a few options to choose from
like uploading the file, inserting a link or actually copy and pasting
the text of the document. Choose the option that you want and it will
direct you from there. The form expands as you choose the options that
you want.


From angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 19:45:55 2014
From: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com (Carol Hummel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
Message-ID: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>

-- 
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
to be able to attend next years.
Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
Skype: southern.bell90
or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com	
thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
God Bless,
Carol Ann Weeks


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 19:55:30 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 13:55:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56467F69-4FC5-455D-A992-C86A1E1D5228@gmail.com>

Welcome!!!! That was a true miracle you survived that!!! I think I’ve heard from you before one time!!!
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

On Jun 24, 2014, at 13:45, Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> -- 
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
> to be able to attend next years.
> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> Skype: southern.bell90
> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com	
> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
> God Bless,
> Carol Ann Weeks
> 
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 19:57:43 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:57:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B73A1DDAE98448FBA7A78E9CE5342D61@robert9999b7cf>

Carol, Welcome to the list. I think you'll like it here. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carol Hummel via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:45 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:


> -- 
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
> to be able to attend next years.
> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> Skype: southern.bell90
> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
> God Bless,
> Carol Ann Weeks
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 20:02:02 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:02:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<56467F69-4FC5-455D-A992-C86A1E1D5228@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC6D84422B354057B7674022917E41B6@robert9999b7cf>

Hay Zack, haven't heard from you in a long time RJs
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Carol Hummel" <angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:55 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:


Welcome!!!! That was a true miracle you survived that!!! I think I’ve heard 
from you before one time!!!
Sent from my Macbook Pro 13

On Jun 24, 2014, at 13:45, Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

> -- 
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
> to be able to attend next years.
> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> Skype: southern.bell90
> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
> God Bless,
> Carol Ann Weeks
>
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From amc05111 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 20:13:04 2014
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:13:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <B73A1DDAE98448FBA7A78E9CE5342D61@robert9999b7cf>
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<B73A1DDAE98448FBA7A78E9CE5342D61@robert9999b7cf>
Message-ID: <53A9DBD0.8070702@gmail.com>

Carol, Welcome to the list!
Ashley








On 6/24/2014 3:57 PM, RJ Sandefur via nabs-l wrote:
> Carol, Welcome to the list. I think you'll like it here. RJ
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carol Hummel via nabs-l" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:45 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
>
>
>> -- 
>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
>> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
>> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
>> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
>> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
>> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
>> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
>> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
>> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
>> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
>> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
>> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
>> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
>> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
>> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
>> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
>> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
>> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
>> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
>> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
>> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
>> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
>> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
>> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
>> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
>> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
>> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
>> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
>> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
>> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
>> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
>> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
>> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
>> to be able to attend next years.
>> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> Skype: southern.bell90
>> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
>> God Bless,
>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Tue Jun 24 20:13:23 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 16:13:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
Message-ID: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Carrol,

Nice intro and welcome to the list!

I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our 
discussions here after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is 
what this sort of community is for.  We are all here to discuss 
our feelings and emotions among our friends and make one another 
feel better.

I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you 
loose your vision.
That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.

How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being 
blind?

To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school 
as well.


I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or 
teacher.  (I speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My 
mom is French, and I used to take Spanish at school.

Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to point 
this out since you are a new member and you probably want to know 
about the rest of us here on list.

Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from 
High school?

Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!

Yours,

Sami.
  ----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:

--
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, 
that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever 
lasting
Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am totally 
blind
but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car 
accident
when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my 
family
the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them 
six
times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of my 
face
was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I 
survived
somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While 
sitting
in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I 
thought
it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine 
for
my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to 
take
me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to 
another
doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants 
the
first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but 
they
both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just 
lost
my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no 
feeling
near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months after 
I
lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use 
cause
see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now 
I
couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do 
with
me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going 
on
seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  When 
I got
out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor 
County
High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up 
there from
when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to 
South
Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica 
High
School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I 
graduated
but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my 
High
School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has 
gotten
me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in 
life.  I
have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out 
away
to be able to attend next years.
Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
Skype: southern.bell90
or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
God Bless,
Carol Ann Weeks

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Tue Jun 24 21:14:49 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:14:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0016DB68-9DFB-450B-B610-4F1CB7C1C7F4@aol.com>

Hi Carol Ann  
Welcome to the list.
I am a full time college student  turning 21 in a few weeks. 
I too have gone through the horrors of vision loss in high school.
I'm glad to know you pulled through and are completing courses through Hadley. 
Power to you.
I look toward to your contributions to the list.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 24, 26 Heisei, at 3:45 PM, Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> -- 
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
> to be able to attend next years.
> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> Skype: southern.bell90
> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com    
> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
> God Bless,
> Carol Ann Weeks
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 21:18:27 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:18:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00bb01cf8ff1$d7ee9060$87cbb120$@gmail.com>

Good to meet you. Hope you enjoy yourself and learn from those on this list.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol Hummel
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:

--
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting Life.
John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years
old. I am totally blind but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a
bad car accident when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to
my family the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them
six times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting in my
Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought it was just
because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for my eye that was in
August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take me to the doctor cause she
was like oh no she can't be losing her sight. I cried the entire time. My
eye doctor sent me to another doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two
cornia transplants the first in September of 2006 and the second in October
of 2006 but they both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't
just lost my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no
feeling near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause see I
would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I couldn't so I
was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with me. I soon went back
to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long though I couldn't with stand the
distance. I was sixteen going on seventeen and scared because I wasn't able
to see anything. When I got out of FSDB my parents put me back in public
school at Taylor County High School. That is some place I new really well I
grew up there from when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home
around my friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to
South Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated but I
got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High School
Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten me this far
and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I have never been to
a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away to be able to attend
next years.
Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
Skype: southern.bell90
or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com	
thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
God Bless,
Carol Ann Weeks

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From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 21:22:14 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:22:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0016DB68-9DFB-450B-B610-4F1CB7C1C7F4@aol.com>
Message-ID: <AFAF8410DC654A58A0FE6BCBE6158AC4@robert9999b7cf>

Carol is on skype you guys. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bridget Walker via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Carol Hummel" <angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:


> Hi Carol Ann
> Welcome to the list.
> I am a full time college student  turning 21 in a few weeks.
> I too have gone through the horrors of vision loss in high school.
> I'm glad to know you pulled through and are completing courses through 
> Hadley.
> Power to you.
> I look toward to your contributions to the list.
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 24, 26 Heisei, at 3:45 PM, Carol Hummel via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> -- 
>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years old. I am totally blind
>> but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a bad car accident
>> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to my family
>> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them six
>> times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
>> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
>> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting
>> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
>> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
>> my eye that was in August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take
>> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
>> sight. I cried the entire time. My eye doctor sent me to another
>> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
>> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
>> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
>> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
>> near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
>> lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause
>> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
>> couldn't so I was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with
>> me. I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
>> though I couldn't with stand the distance. I was sixteen going on
>> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything. When I got
>> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
>> High School. That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
>> when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home around my
>> friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
>> Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
>> School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
>> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
>> School Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten
>> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I
>> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
>> to be able to attend next years.
>> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> Skype: southern.bell90
>> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
>> God Bless,
>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 21:24:06 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:24:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA1MTWtRsOaX-i3+wub=Qh4zaKUOCXXj5KofoQzJbC+KsP1jpw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00c301cf8ff2$a1656c70$e4304550$@gmail.com>

I'm replying directly to sender.  What is your skype? 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carol Hummel
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2014 3:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:

--
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting Life.
John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks. I am 24 years
old. I am totally blind but I haven't been that way all my life. I was in a
bad car accident when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997. According to
my family the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times. I died on them
six times had a heart attack and a stroke. The whole left side of my face
was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away. I survived
somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen. While sitting in my
Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought it was just
because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for my eye that was in
August of 2006. My mom came to the school to take me to the doctor cause she
was like oh no she can't be losing her sight. I cried the entire time. My
eye doctor sent me to another doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two
cornia transplants the first in September of 2006 and the second in October
of 2006 but they both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't
just lost my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no
feeling near the right eye. I was out of school for several months after I
lost my sight it took my will away. I thought there was no use cause see I
would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I couldn't so I
was miserable. My parents had no idea what to do with me. I soon went back
to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long though I couldn't with stand the
distance. I was sixteen going on seventeen and scared because I wasn't able
to see anything. When I got out of FSDB my parents put me back in public
school at Taylor County High School. That is some place I new really well I
grew up there from when I was T13 years old. It was nice to be back home
around my friends and people I knew. Then in December of 2008 we moved to
South Carolina. That is where I currently live. I attended Senica High
School. I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated but I
got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High School
Diploma through Hadley. I believe it is all God that has gotten me this far
and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life. I have never been to
a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away to be able to attend
next years.
Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
Skype: southern.bell90
or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com	
thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
God Bless,
Carol Ann Weeks

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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Tue Jun 24 21:36:21 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 17:36:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <D04FB2D6-25A5-49F7-B415-441A9AB5DF39@me.com>

Welcome aboard. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:13 PM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Carrol,
> 
> Nice intro and welcome to the list!
> 
> I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our discussions here after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is what this sort of community is for.  We are all here to discuss our feelings and emotions among our friends and make one another feel better.
> 
> I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you loose your vision.
> That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.
> 
> How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being blind?
> 
> To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school as well.
> 
> 
> I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or teacher.  (I speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My mom is French, and I used to take Spanish at school.
> 
> Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to point this out since you are a new member and you probably want to know about the rest of us here on list.
> 
> Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from High school?
> 
> Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!
> 
> Yours,
> 
> Sami.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
> 
> --
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am totally blind
> but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car accident
> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my family
> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them six
> times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of my face
> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I survived
> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While sitting
> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
> my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to take
> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
> sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to another
> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
> near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months after I
> lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use cause
> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
> couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do with
> me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
> though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going on
> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  When I got
> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
> High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
> when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
> friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
> Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica High
> School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
> School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has gotten
> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life.  I
> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
> to be able to attend next years.
> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> Skype: southern.bell90
> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
> God Bless,
> Carol Ann Weeks
> 
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From angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com  Tue Jun 24 22:04:55 2014
From: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com (Carol Hummel)
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:04:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <D04FB2D6-25A5-49F7-B415-441A9AB5DF39@me.com>
References: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<D04FB2D6-25A5-49F7-B415-441A9AB5DF39@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAA1MTWsi5pdZVJ4Tnu0HFQP+6LKRBpn50bt5DdJRBHERs7mC-w@mail.gmail.com>

Thank You all for the warm welcome. I appreciate it. I am pretty sure
some of you are curious about what my plans are after high school. I
plan on taking some online Bible Courses. I also plan on going to
school and learning about music. I was happy to share with you about
my testimony. If yall would like to message me on Skype. yall can feel
free to but I am letting you all know that I do have a bad internet
connection. So I can't talk during the day. here is my Skype name:
southern.bell90
Carol Ann Weeks

On 6/24/14, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Welcome aboard. :)
> Matthew Dierckens
> Macintosh Trainer
> Blind Access Training
> www.blindaccesstraining.com
> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
> Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
> available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
> http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/
>
> On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:13 PM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Carrol,
>>
>> Nice intro and welcome to the list!
>>
>> I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our discussions here
>> after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is what this sort of
>> community is for.  We are all here to discuss our feelings and emotions
>> among our friends and make one another feel better.
>>
>> I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you loose
>> your vision.
>> That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.
>>
>> How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being blind?
>>
>> To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school as well.
>>
>>
>> I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or teacher.  (I
>> speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My mom is French, and I
>> used to take Spanish at school.
>>
>> Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to point this out
>> since you are a new member and you probably want to know about the rest of
>> us here on list.
>>
>> Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from High
>> school?
>>
>> Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Sami.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
>>
>> --
>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>> Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am totally blind
>> but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car accident
>> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my family
>> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them six
>> times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of my face
>> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I survived
>> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While sitting
>> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
>> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
>> my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to take
>> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
>> sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to another
>> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
>> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
>> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
>> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
>> near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months after I
>> lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use cause
>> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
>> couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do with
>> me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
>> though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going on
>> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  When I got
>> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
>> High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
>> when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
>> friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
>> Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica High
>> School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
>> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
>> School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has gotten
>> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life.  I
>> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
>> to be able to attend next years.
>> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> Skype: southern.bell90
>> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
>> God Bless,
>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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-- 
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Wed Jun 25 05:42:11 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 01:42:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e5BpB3LOvFQVffjx__D48xNafFVqLStRfJp2dFaowZ8iw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C588C1DB-A48A-43B5-A57E-A188D7BAB726@gmail.com>
	<D9B7F535-5A9E-489D-AF03-FF12DA236D1C@gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e5BpB3LOvFQVffjx__D48xNafFVqLStRfJp2dFaowZ8iw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <95F66B37-96D1-4887-A74A-62C7B72FBFB6@fuse.net>

The Perdue OWL should be able to get you started. I was taught that this was the gold standard for siting sources. However make sure that your college doesn't have any specific requirements because I was told that somecdid.
Hth

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 22, 2014, at 12:35 AM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello  Kayla Weathers,
> 
> 
> 
> Please also make sure you have the latest books on MLA and APA styles when
> citing your sources. Most colleges have policies regarding plagiarism, so
> you must watch out. If you should have any problems and need assistance you
> need to contact the dean of students at your college. I hope this helps. I
> would really like to know how you people use Pages to cite sources in MLA
> and APA formats for publishing college research papers.
> 
> 
> 
> Jimmy Hulme
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> Kayla,
>> 
>> It should be. MLA and APA formatting is mostly about spacing and margins,
>> so as long as you set those you should be okay. Don't quote me on that,
>> though! Smile!
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>> Candice
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Jun 21, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using boice over?
>>> Thanks, Kayla
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 06:24:17 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 02:24:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
In-Reply-To: <CAA1MTWsi5pdZVJ4Tnu0HFQP+6LKRBpn50bt5DdJRBHERs7mC-w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>
	<D04FB2D6-25A5-49F7-B415-441A9AB5DF39@me.com>
	<CAA1MTWsi5pdZVJ4Tnu0HFQP+6LKRBpn50bt5DdJRBHERs7mC-w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D8568E0E-CC11-4CF6-AEE9-C3D5A227D033@gmail.com>

Hey!! Carol!!, this is Helga! What's up? Welcome to the list!! Hope you like it!! By the way, sorry I haven't contacted you by skype yet! I have been very busy with college and activities! However, I'm going to contact you tomorrow by skype ok? In fact, feel free to call me to my cell phone if you would like to talk to me!! My cell phone is located below in my email signature!! Hope to hear from you soon!! Thanks and God bless!! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
And member   of The International Networkers Team (INT) 


Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank You all for the warm welcome. I appreciate it. I am pretty sure
> some of you are curious about what my plans are after high school. I
> plan on taking some online Bible Courses. I also plan on going to
> school and learning about music. I was happy to share with you about
> my testimony. If yall would like to message me on Skype. yall can feel
> free to but I am letting you all know that I do have a bad internet
> connection. So I can't talk during the day. here is my Skype name:
> southern.bell90
> Carol Ann Weeks
> 
>> On 6/24/14, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Welcome aboard. :)
>> Matthew Dierckens
>> Macintosh Trainer
>> Blind Access Training
>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
>> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
>> Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
>> available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
>> http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/
>> 
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:13 PM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Carrol,
>>> 
>>> Nice intro and welcome to the list!
>>> 
>>> I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our discussions here
>>> after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is what this sort of
>>> community is for.  We are all here to discuss our feelings and emotions
>>> among our friends and make one another feel better.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you loose
>>> your vision.
>>> That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.
>>> 
>>> How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being blind?
>>> 
>>> To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school as well.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or teacher.  (I
>>> speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My mom is French, and I
>>> used to take Spanish at school.
>>> 
>>> Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to point this out
>>> since you are a new member and you probably want to know about the rest of
>>> us here on list.
>>> 
>>> Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from High
>>> school?
>>> 
>>> Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!
>>> 
>>> Yours,
>>> 
>>> Sami.
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
>>> 
>>> --
>>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>>> Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>>> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am totally blind
>>> but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car accident
>>> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my family
>>> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them six
>>> times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of my face
>>> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I survived
>>> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While sitting
>>> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
>>> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
>>> my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to take
>>> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
>>> sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to another
>>> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
>>> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
>>> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
>>> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
>>> near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months after I
>>> lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use cause
>>> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
>>> couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do with
>>> me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
>>> though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going on
>>> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  When I got
>>> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
>>> High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
>>> when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
>>> friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
>>> Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica High
>>> School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
>>> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
>>> School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has gotten
>>> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life.  I
>>> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
>>> to be able to attend next years.
>>> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: southern.bell90
>>> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>>> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
>>> God Bless,
>>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
> -- 
> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 11:29:06 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:29:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma
Message-ID: <53aab28e.2802320a.57bf.5e8d@mx.google.com>

Lil is right; the Perdue Owl 
<https://owl.english.purdue.edu.html> is a great resource.  I 
don't know anything about using a Mac, but most of the formatting 
you'll have to do isn't part of MLA or APA.  MLA and APA are 
mostly about how to cite sources (though APA has some weird 
things about headers), but the formatting you'll have to do will 
be based on instructions from your professor--typically one inch 
margins, twelve point Times New Roman font, and double spacing.  
Again I have no idea if you can accessibly make the Mac do that, 
but my guess would be that you can.  I would suggest contacting 
Apple technical support if you have difficulty and asking for 
someone who knows Voice Over.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: James Hulme <jim.hulme at gmail.com>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 01:42:11 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Formatting in MLA and APA using a ma

The Perdue OWL should be able to get you started. I was taught 
that this was the gold standard for siting sources. However make 
sure that your college doesn't have any specific requirements 
because I was told that somecdid.
Hth

Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 22, 2014, at 12:35 AM, James Hulme via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello  Kayla Weathers,



 Please also make sure you have the latest books on MLA and APA 
styles when
 citing your sources. Most colleges have policies regarding 
plagiarism, so
 you must watch out. If you should have any problems and need 
assistance you
 need to contact the dean of students at your college. I hope 
this helps. I
 would really like to know how you people use Pages to cite 
sources in MLA
 and APA formats for publishing college research papers.



 Jimmy Hulme
 jim.hulme at gmail.com


 On Sat, Jun 21, 2014 at 7:33 PM, Candice Chapman via nabs-l <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Kayla,

 It should be. MLA and APA formatting is mostly about spacing and 
margins,
 so as long as you set those you should be okay. Don't quote me 
on that,
 though! Smile!

 Best,

 Candice

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Jun 21, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,
 Is it possible to format papers in MLA and APA on a mac using 
boice over?
 Thanks, Kayla

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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 12:25:47 2014
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 07:25:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS on Social Media
Message-ID: <CACXqA0q83v9_Xx+jRZtHbQgHcLYxG7vJxRN53ug_F9YsCQ_j1w@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings NABS,

	For those of you who are active on social media, NABS has a facebook
and a twitter.
You can friend us at
https://www.facebook.com/nabs.link
or follow us at
https://twitter.com/nabslink
We will be giving live updates from national convention. Be sure to
tweet us using hashtag #NABS14.

We will see everyone in Florida.

Bre Brown

Board Member, National Association of Blind Students


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 13:06:51 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:06:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
References: <0N7O00154W6MO5K0@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net><D04FB2D6-25A5-49F7-B415-441A9AB5DF39@me.com><CAA1MTWsi5pdZVJ4Tnu0HFQP+6LKRBpn50bt5DdJRBHERs7mC-w@mail.gmail.com>
	<D8568E0E-CC11-4CF6-AEE9-C3D5A227D033@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1DCE6A08A0D84433811DE9D183F6B6CA@robert9999b7cf>

Hi, Helga, Hope you're doing well! RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Helga Schreiber via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Carol Hummel" <angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 2:24 AM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:


> Hey!! Carol!!, this is Helga! What's up? Welcome to the list!! Hope you 
> like it!! By the way, sorry I haven't contacted you by skype yet! I have 
> been very busy with college and activities! However, I'm going to contact 
> you tomorrow by skype ok? In fact, feel free to call me to my cell phone 
> if you would like to talk to me!! My cell phone is located below in my 
> email signature!! Hope to hear from you soon!! Thanks and God bless!! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind Students
> And member   of The International Networkers Team (INT)
>
>
> Phone: (561) 706-5950     Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 6:04 PM, Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Thank You all for the warm welcome. I appreciate it. I am pretty sure
>> some of you are curious about what my plans are after high school. I
>> plan on taking some online Bible Courses. I also plan on going to
>> school and learning about music. I was happy to share with you about
>> my testimony. If yall would like to message me on Skype. yall can feel
>> free to but I am letting you all know that I do have a bad internet
>> connection. So I can't talk during the day. here is my Skype name:
>> southern.bell90
>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>
>>> On 6/24/14, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Welcome aboard. :)
>>> Matthew Dierckens
>>> Macintosh Trainer
>>> Blind Access Training
>>> www.blindaccesstraining.com
>>> 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
>>> matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
>>> Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course
>>> available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
>>> http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/
>>>
>>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:13 PM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi Carrol,
>>>>
>>>> Nice intro and welcome to the list!
>>>>
>>>> I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our discussions 
>>>> here
>>>> after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is what this sort of
>>>> community is for.  We are all here to discuss our feelings and emotions
>>>> among our friends and make one another feel better.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you loose
>>>> your vision.
>>>> That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.
>>>>
>>>> How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being blind?
>>>>
>>>> To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school as 
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or teacher. 
>>>> (I
>>>> speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My mom is French, and 
>>>> I
>>>> used to take Spanish at school.
>>>>
>>>> Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to point this 
>>>> out
>>>> since you are a new member and you probably want to know about the rest 
>>>> of
>>>> us here on list.
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from High
>>>> school?
>>>>
>>>> Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!
>>>>
>>>> Yours,
>>>>
>>>> Sami.
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>>>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>>>> Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>>>> Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am totally blind
>>>> but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car accident
>>>> when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my family
>>>> the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them six
>>>> times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of my face
>>>> was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I survived
>>>> somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While sitting
>>>> in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I thought
>>>> it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my medicine for
>>>> my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to take
>>>> me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing her
>>>> sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to another
>>>> doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants the
>>>> first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but they
>>>> both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just lost
>>>> my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no feeling
>>>> near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months after I
>>>> lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use cause
>>>> see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now I
>>>> couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do with
>>>> me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for long
>>>> though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going on
>>>> seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  When I got
>>>> out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor County
>>>> High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up there from
>>>> when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
>>>> friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to South
>>>> Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica High
>>>> School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I graduated
>>>> but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on my High
>>>> School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has gotten
>>>> me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in life.  I
>>>> have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure out away
>>>> to be able to attend next years.
>>>> Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: southern.bell90
>>>> or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
>>>> thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
>>>> God Bless,
>>>> Carol Ann Weeks
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>> izon.net
>>>>
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>>>
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>>
>>
>> -- 
>> For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, that
>> whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever lasting
>> Life. John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>
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From amc05111 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 13:47:40 2014
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:47:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille
Message-ID: <53AAD2FC.7030607@gmail.com>

Hi all
I am currently working on a project for someone, and I need to be able 
to input contracted, (grade 2) Braille into a computer. I have worked 
with Duxbury many years ago, but I was using it to convert print files 
to Braille to be embossed for me.

I recently downloaded Duxbury and Perky Duck. Both of these programs are 
distributed by,
www.duxburysystems.com/
.

My question is how do you change the grade of Braille that is put into 
the software? Is there a better program that would give me more 
flexability with this?

Thanks for any help!

-- 
Thank you
Ashley Coleman

Blinkie Chicks
Social Media Manager
http://www.blinkiechicks.com/



From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 14:04:52 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 09:04:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille
In-Reply-To: <53AAD2FC.7030607@gmail.com>
References: <53AAD2FC.7030607@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9v-hva5MvUWdE0sBg1hHEEqw8RpvX3B2hhUpCFn0e69sw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley.  I'd contact seedlings braille books for children.  I know
they have done some grade 2 braille input sometimes.  There number is
18007778552.  I have heard of that perky duck program before, but have
never used it.  Good luck on your project.

On 6/25/14, Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all
> I am currently working on a project for someone, and I need to be able
> to input contracted, (grade 2) Braille into a computer. I have worked
> with Duxbury many years ago, but I was using it to convert print files
> to Braille to be embossed for me.
>
> I recently downloaded Duxbury and Perky Duck. Both of these programs are
> distributed by,
> www.duxburysystems.com/
> .
>
> My question is how do you change the grade of Braille that is put into
> the software? Is there a better program that would give me more
> flexability with this?
>
> Thanks for any help!
>
> --
> Thank you
> Ashley Coleman
>
> Blinkie Chicks
> Social Media Manager
> http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 14:29:17 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 10:29:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
Message-ID: <53aadcdd.08caec0a.4c45.fffff658@mx.google.com>

Hi Carol welcome to the list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am a 
twenty-four year old totally blind college student.  I'm happy 
that you are getting your high school diploma through Hadley.  
I'm sorry that you have suffered as a result of losing your 
sight.


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 17:42:23 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 13:42:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] final candidates forum reminder
Message-ID: <CADit0-sJSHZqGKqVCYN_3ACZ+giDhx+UfJ0xiOtMt7++sr3keg@mail.gmail.com>

All,
Tonight we will be holding the presidential candidates' forum for NABS.
Phone: 605-475-6700
Passcode: 7869673
Time: 8:00 pm EST
See you all there

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Jun 25 21:32:00 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 17:32:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:
Message-ID: <0N7Q00BNHUHOD2C0@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Carrol,

Stchdying music is also cool; I also play the piano, and am 
planning to minor in music when I get to college.
Do you play a musical instrument, or you just like music and want 
to study it?

If you do play an instrument, do you know Braille music?
I do.

I'm just curious to know this.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 18:04:55 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:

Thank You all for the warm welcome.  I appreciate it.  I am 
pretty sure
some of you are curious about what my plans are after high 
school.  I
plan on taking some online Bible Courses.  I also plan on going 
to
school and learning about music.  I was happy to share with you 
about
my testimony.  If yall would like to message me on Skype.  yall 
can feel
free to but I am letting you all know that I do have a bad 
internet
connection.  So I can't talk during the day.  here is my Skype 
name:
southern.bell90
Carol Ann Weeks

On 6/24/14, Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Welcome aboard.  :)
 Matthew Dierckens
 Macintosh Trainer
 Blind Access Training
 www.blindaccesstraining.com
 1-877-774-7670, extension 3
 matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
 Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover 
course
 available now.  Spots are limited, sign up here
 http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

 On Jun 24, 2014, at 4:13 PM, sami osborne via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi Carrol,

 Nice intro and welcome to the list!

 I hope that you will like and feel comfortable with our 
discussions here
 after your rather tragic teenage life.  This is what this sort 
of
 community is for.  We are all here to discuss our feelings and 
emotions
 among our friends and make one another feel better.

 I'm sorry to here that you suffered a car accident that made you 
loose
 your vision.
 That must have been tough for you and your family to adjust to.

 How do you feel now about yourself after about 8 years of being 
blind?

 To introduce myself to you, I am currently 16 and in high school 
as well.


 I hope to go to college and become a language interpreter or 
teacher.  (I
 speak 3 languages: English, French and Spanish).  My mom is 
French, and I
 used to take Spanish at school.

 Don't know if you're interested in languages just wanted to 
point this out
 since you are a new member and you probably want to know about 
the rest of
 us here on list.

 Do you have any hopes for your future after you graduate from 
High
 school?

 Welcome again to the list, and hope you enjoy!

 Yours,

 Sami.
 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Carol Hummel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Tue, 24 Jun 2014 15:45:55 -0400
 Subject: [nabs-l] Introducing Myself:

 --
 For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, 
that
 whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever 
lasting
 Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel
 Hi, My name is Carol Ann Weeks.  I am 24 years old.  I am 
totally blind
 but I haven't been that way all my life.  I was in a bad car 
accident
 when I was 7 years old on December 7th 1997.  According to my 
family
 the vehicle rolled on my head five to six times.  I died on them 
six
 times had a heart attack and a stroke.  The whole left side of 
my face
 was broken and the optic nerve in my left eye was cut away.  I 
survived
 somehow and I was visually impaired until I was sixteen.  While 
sitting
 in my Biology class one day I lost my sight completely and I 
thought
 it was just because my teacher wouldn't let me go get my 
medicine for
 my eye that was in August of 2006.  My mom came to the school to 
take
 me to the doctor cause she was like oh no she can't be losing 
her
 sight.  I cried the entire time.  My eye doctor sent me to 
another
 doctor in Dothan Alabama and he performed two cornia transplants 
the
 first in September of 2006 and the second in October of 2006 but 
they
 both rejected that is when we all discovered that I hadn't just 
lost
 my sight by normal means I had had a second stroke due to no 
feeling
 near the right eye.  I was out of school for several months 
after I
 lost my sight it took my will away.  I thought there was no use 
cause
 see I would read up to two or three romance novels a day and now 
I
 couldn't so I was miserable.  My parents had no idea what to do 
with
 me.  I soon went back to school in FSDB , I wasn't there for 
long
 though I couldn't with stand the distance.  I was sixteen going 
on
 seventeen and scared because I wasn't able to see anything.  
When I got
 out of FSDB my parents put me back in public school at Taylor 
County
 High School.  That is some place I new really well I grew up 
there from
 when I was T13 years old.  It was nice to be back home around my
 friends and people I knew.  Then in December of 2008 we moved to 
South
 Carolina.  That is where I currently live.  I attended Senica 
High
 School.  I was in and out of the hospital in 2009 the year I 
graduated
 but I got a District Certificate and I am currently working on 
my High
 School Diploma through Hadley.  I believe it is all God that has 
gotten
 me this far and I hope and pray he can get me much farther in 
life.  I
 have never been to a NFB convention but I am trying to figure 
out away
 to be able to attend next years.
 Fill free to contact me by email: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
 Skype: southern.bell90
 or Facebook: angelic.sweetpea90 at gmail.com
 thanks II hope to hear from yall soon.
 God Bless,
 Carol Ann Weeks

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--
For God so loved the world, that he gave his ever begotten Son, 
that
whosoever, believeth in him shall not perish, but have ever 
lasting
Life.  John 3:16 Carol Ann Hummel

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Jun 25 23:08:50 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 16:08:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Nabs-presidents] Oklahoma Students Division
References: <B14B2E76-B8AA-4677-9605-D229882E31A2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4725E5BC-5899-45A6-ABFD-AE774BCF7C68@gmail.com>




Begin forwarded message:

> From: Cammie Loehr via Nabs-presidents <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Date: June 25, 2014 at 3:03:20 PM PDT
> To: "nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org" <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [Nabs-presidents] Oklahoma Students Division
> Reply-To: Cammie Loehr <cammieloehr767 at gmail.com>, List for NABS State Presidents <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I just wanted to let you know that if you are attending this years national convention that the Oklahoma Association of Blind Students will be selling 50-50 raffle tickets at the NFB of Oklahoma affiliate table and all throughout convention. It is $2 for 1 ticket and $5 for 3 tickets. The more tickets we sell the larger the amount of money you maybe able to win! Feel free to share this email and we hope to see you all at convention.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-presidents_nfbnet.org

From freethaught at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 00:55:10 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:55:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Short debate?
Message-ID: <42D0D590-A688-4C3F-8114-D0D39C843E13@gmail.com>

Hi,

I am calling the number listed for tonight’s presidents forum and the line only plays hold music.

I am dialing in at 10 till 9, and I thought the forum would still be going on.

What did I miss? Did we only have a short forum?

Thanks,

Antobnio

From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 00:59:24 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:59:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Short debate?
In-Reply-To: <42D0D590-A688-4C3F-8114-D0D39C843E13@gmail.com>
References: <42D0D590-A688-4C3F-8114-D0D39C843E13@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AD0B76F9-7A22-4E87-A751-086A76EF1AC9@gmail.com>

The forum is over 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am calling the number listed for tonight’s presidents forum and the line only plays hold music.
> 
> I am dialing in at 10 till 9, and I thought the forum would still be going on.
> 
> What did I miss? Did we only have a short forum?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Antobnio
> _______________________________________________
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 26 01:02:12 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:02:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Short debate?
In-Reply-To: <AD0B76F9-7A22-4E87-A751-086A76EF1AC9@gmail.com>
References: <42D0D590-A688-4C3F-8114-D0D39C843E13@gmail.com>
	<AD0B76F9-7A22-4E87-A751-086A76EF1AC9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS374C8C4C57F621B8F974FEFBA180@phx.gbl>

Hi Mary,

Will you be posting the questions to the email list? I think you said that they would, but the line seemed to be cutting out a bit near the end of the call, so it was difficult to tell for sure.

Thanks,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 25, 2014 8:59 PM
To: Antonio Guimaraes; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Short debate?

The forum is over 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 25, 2014, at 8:55 PM, Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I am calling the number listed for tonight’s presidents forum and the line only plays hold music.
> 
> I am dialing in at 10 till 9, and I thought the forum would still be going on.
> 
> What did I miss? Did we only have a short forum?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Antobnio
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 01:24:09 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 20:24:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tonight's Forum
Message-ID: <275A7118-7637-481B-959C-E747CE141667@gmail.com>

Hello all, 

Thank you to everyone who came out tonight to hear myself and Justin answer your questions. 

If you have any further questions please feel free to send me an email or give me a call. I look forward to talking with you!

Email: chapman.candicel at gmail.com

Cell; 601-201-1602. You can text as well. :)

Best wishes, 

Candice Chapman

Sent from my iPhone


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 01:36:16 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 2014 21:36:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] final candidates forum reminder
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-sJSHZqGKqVCYN_3ACZ+giDhx+UfJ0xiOtMt7++sr3keg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-sJSHZqGKqVCYN_3ACZ+giDhx+UfJ0xiOtMt7++sr3keg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D0FC8920-BD6F-4375-BC9C-D03EE4534914@gmail.com>

Did some one take notes at the meeting or record it because i was not at the meeting but i wanted to attend it 
Will we find out at convention who won as being our president for NABS 
  

Shikha. 

> On Jun 25, 2014, at 1:42 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> Tonight we will be holding the presidential candidates' forum for NABS.
> Phone: 605-475-6700
> Passcode: 7869673
> Time: 8:00 pm EST
> See you all there
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Jun 26 04:57:37 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 00:57:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for advice on job prospects
Message-ID: <02a901cf90fb$26eea9c0$74cbfd40$@net>

Hi Everyone

 

I apologize for my numerous school/college/career/other misc questions to
this listserve, and I have another one now.

 

I will be a junior in high school this year and need to seriously look at
college prospects. In order to do that, I feel like I need to narrow down my
career considerations a little bit. I know that I don't have to have my
selection narrowed down completely yet, but I have a list of options I have
been giving semi serious thought to, and it is kind of a long list. To help
narrow down my search a bit, I thought it may be a good idea to network with
people in these jobs so that I can learn about the job in more detail and
that may help me narrow down my decision. 

 

I plan to meet with my school guidance counselor a few weeks after I get
back to school to talk about similar stuff, but I want to have more of an
idea of what I am doing before I have this meeting. I also am not super
stressed about finding a person to talk to in each specialty listed, I am
just using this as a starting point. 

 

If anyone here knows someone who would be willing to talk to me off list
about the specific specialties/careers (either blind or sited), , feel free
to send me a message at

 

lilliepennington at fuse.net

 

Thank you for any help. I am also on the human services and blind educators
list and will probably ask there once I narrow down the list a bit. Also, if
anyone knows of any good colleges/universities in either Ohio, Indiana, or
Kentucky that are good for either education, social work, or family science
programs please feel free to let me know as well. 

 

Career list:

 

social workers (in general), or, specializing in

*substance misuse and addiction

*child welfare

*school socialwork

*public welfare

*justice/corrections

*healthcare

*mental health/clinical

*community

*management/administration

*policy and planning

 

 

Psychology/counseling/misc

*Marriage and family therapist/counselor

*school guidance counselor

*mental health counselor

*substance abuse counselor

*abuse/crisis counselors

*high school teacher

*child life specialist

*family life educator

*instructional curriculum coordinator (for schools)

                

 

Thank you and please let me know if you have any questions, or if anything
is unclear. 

 

Lillie


From freethaught at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 09:03:30 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 05:03:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Starbucks
Message-ID: <A7D4924F-0D00-4683-AAC8-7E4AE8A10C33@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am looking at a busy, interesting, fun and packed convention schedule.

That said, I would love to get together with those of you on the list who are going and feel like getting together for a cup of mine, and your favorite Starbucks coffee at the hotel.

Mine is usually a short peppermint hazelnut latte.

You should try it if you like something sweet.

Also, I invite those who are going to contact me directly at

freethaught@ gmail.com

or respond to my message on list to let all of us know you’ll be at convention.

That will signal to listers you are going, and would not mind networking with others who will be there as well.

I will not put my number and other contact information up on the list, but I plan to connect with some of you who will signal your presence.

I think it will be nice to list your intentions to attend, and reach out to one another off list to make our arrangements to meet up.

Antonio

From amykhatten at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 26 12:16:01 2014
From: amykhatten at hotmail.com (Amy Hatten)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 07:16:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <A7D4924F-0D00-4683-AAC8-7E4AE8A10C33@gmail.com>
References: <A7D4924F-0D00-4683-AAC8-7E4AE8A10C33@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS181860443ED43073F21E3A4D3180@phx.gbl>

 I will be at the convention and would be glad to meet up with anyone and network with anyone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2014, at 4:04 AM, "Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am looking at a busy, interesting, fun and packed convention schedule.
> 
> That said, I would love to get together with those of you on the list who are going and feel like getting together for a cup of mine, and your favorite Starbucks coffee at the hotel.
> 
> Mine is usually a short peppermint hazelnut latte.
> 
> You should try it if you like something sweet.
> 
> Also, I invite those who are going to contact me directly at
> 
> freethaught@ gmail.com
> 
> or respond to my message on list to let all of us know you’ll be at convention.
> 
> That will signal to listers you are going, and would not mind networking with others who will be there as well.
> 
> I will not put my number and other contact information up on the list, but I plan to connect with some of you who will signal your presence.
> 
> I think it will be nice to list your intentions to attend, and reach out to one another off list to make our arrangements to meet up.
> 
> Antonio
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Jun 26 12:58:44 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 08:58:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for advice on job prospects
In-Reply-To: <02a901cf90fb$26eea9c0$74cbfd40$@net>
References: <02a901cf90fb$26eea9c0$74cbfd40$@net>
Message-ID: <BD01D85D-30E9-4DAF-83A7-D1CB8C980CF1@aol.com>

Hi Lilly, 
I see your list identifies many topics across fields. I caught on to one common theme. All of your  chosen fields involve helping people. It seems to me you are torn between human services and education. Both of these fields are fantastic. 
I am an adolescence education major studying to work with middle or high school students with multiple disabilities. Before I work in my chosen field I will be teaching English for a few years at the high school level. 
I know some people in human services. I can ask about passing your message along.
I hope that helps.
If you would like to know more about adolescence education please do not hesitate to contact me.
Best,
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 26, 26 Heisei, at 12:57 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone
> 
> 
> 
> I apologize for my numerous school/college/career/other misc questions to
> this listserve, and I have another one now.
> 
> 
> 
> I will be a junior in high school this year and need to seriously look at
> college prospects. In order to do that, I feel like I need to narrow down my
> career considerations a little bit. I know that I don't have to have my
> selection narrowed down completely yet, but I have a list of options I have
> been giving semi serious thought to, and it is kind of a long list. To help
> narrow down my search a bit, I thought it may be a good idea to network with
> people in these jobs so that I can learn about the job in more detail and
> that may help me narrow down my decision. 
> 
> 
> 
> I plan to meet with my school guidance counselor a few weeks after I get
> back to school to talk about similar stuff, but I want to have more of an
> idea of what I am doing before I have this meeting. I also am not super
> stressed about finding a person to talk to in each specialty listed, I am
> just using this as a starting point. 
> 
> 
> 
> If anyone here knows someone who would be willing to talk to me off list
> about the specific specialties/careers (either blind or sited), , feel free
> to send me a message at
> 
> 
> 
> lilliepennington at fuse.net
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you for any help. I am also on the human services and blind educators
> list and will probably ask there once I narrow down the list a bit. Also, if
> anyone knows of any good colleges/universities in either Ohio, Indiana, or
> Kentucky that are good for either education, social work, or family science
> programs please feel free to let me know as well. 
> 
> 
> 
> Career list:
> 
> 
> 
> social workers (in general), or, specializing in
> 
> *substance misuse and addiction
> 
> *child welfare
> 
> *school socialwork
> 
> *public welfare
> 
> *justice/corrections
> 
> *healthcare
> 
> *mental health/clinical
> 
> *community
> 
> *management/administration
> 
> *policy and planning
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Psychology/counseling/misc
> 
> *Marriage and family therapist/counselor
> 
> *school guidance counselor
> 
> *mental health counselor
> 
> *substance abuse counselor
> 
> *abuse/crisis counselors
> 
> *high school teacher
> 
> *child life specialist
> 
> *family life educator
> 
> *instructional curriculum coordinator (for schools)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you and please let me know if you have any questions, or if anything
> is unclear. 
> 
> 
> 
> Lillie
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 13:14:49 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:14:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Starbucks
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS181860443ED43073F21E3A4D3180@phx.gbl>
References: <A7D4924F-0D00-4683-AAC8-7E4AE8A10C33@gmail.com>
	<BLU403-EAS181860443ED43073F21E3A4D3180@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002501cf9140$9c9775e0$d5c661a0$@gmail.com>

I will be there, but in the capacity of a scholarship winner. I would love to meet up if I am able.  My email address is Justin.williams2 at gmail.com

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amy Hatten via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2014 8:16 AM
To: Antonio Guimaraes; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Starbucks

 I will be at the convention and would be glad to meet up with anyone and network with anyone.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 26, 2014, at 4:04 AM, "Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am looking at a busy, interesting, fun and packed convention schedule.
> 
> That said, I would love to get together with those of you on the list who are going and feel like getting together for a cup of mine, and your favorite Starbucks coffee at the hotel.
> 
> Mine is usually a short peppermint hazelnut latte.
> 
> You should try it if you like something sweet.
> 
> Also, I invite those who are going to contact me directly at
> 
> freethaught@ gmail.com
> 
> or respond to my message on list to let all of us know you’ll be at convention.
> 
> That will signal to listers you are going, and would not mind networking with others who will be there as well.
> 
> I will not put my number and other contact information up on the list, but I plan to connect with some of you who will signal your presence.
> 
> I think it will be nice to list your intentions to attend, and reach out to one another off list to make our arrangements to meet up.
> 
> Antonio
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 13:21:27 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:21:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List manners
Message-ID: <CADit0-vYLZifDfyyVEyrhf+0jCVUTU=qxk+BKJEqiMp2vP7+8w@mail.gmail.com>

Good morning all,
Just a reminder. The NABS list is a highly trafficked list, so please,
please, do not post one liners, messages which are supposed to be
private, or questions about someone's contact On List. If you want
this information email the person directly. They may not get back to
you, and that is there right. But I am getting a number of complaints
about how difficult it is to keep sorting through twenty emails which
are all directed to a specific person.
I encourage everyone to post, but please lets be mindful of each
other, and try to make the posts constructive and on topic. None of us
want students to unsubscribe because we are being discurteous in our
emailing behavior, so lets make a good effort ok?
Thank you.
Your list moderator

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Thu Jun 26 13:30:44 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 09:30:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for advice on job prospects
In-Reply-To: <BD01D85D-30E9-4DAF-83A7-D1CB8C980CF1@aol.com>
References: <02a901cf90fb$26eea9c0$74cbfd40$@net>
	<BD01D85D-30E9-4DAF-83A7-D1CB8C980CF1@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CADit0-sUJjT85mb2Q=7bksgaoVeAyhoWR2VnmtyvP7=7erU9HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Lillie,
First, you are doing great already by having a wide variety of fields
of interest. I think that when looking at colleges you may want to
look not so much for specific programs, as for a good liberal arts
education, as your interests lie in the humanities. When i started
college I was determined to be a psychology major, and do tons of
research and go to get a PH.D. I wound up majoring in psychology in
music, did just as much performing as I did research, if not more, and
decided my senior year that research wasn't hte thing for me. But
that's because I went to a university which allowed me to explore my
chosen file,d and get a taste of so many other things, which really
helps make you a well-rounded individual.
Anyway, yes, I think talking to professionals and people who have done
it is an amazing idea, and I'll be happy to talk to you off list and
meet up at convention!
Mary F

On 6/26/14, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Lilly,
> I see your list identifies many topics across fields. I caught on to one
> common theme. All of your  chosen fields involve helping people. It seems to
> me you are torn between human services and education. Both of these fields
> are fantastic.
> I am an adolescence education major studying to work with middle or high
> school students with multiple disabilities. Before I work in my chosen field
> I will be teaching English for a few years at the high school level.
> I know some people in human services. I can ask about passing your message
> along.
> I hope that helps.
> If you would like to know more about adolescence education please do not
> hesitate to contact me.
> Best,
> Bridget
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 26, 26 Heisei, at 12:57 AM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone
>>
>>
>>
>> I apologize for my numerous school/college/career/other misc questions to
>> this listserve, and I have another one now.
>>
>>
>>
>> I will be a junior in high school this year and need to seriously look at
>> college prospects. In order to do that, I feel like I need to narrow down
>> my
>> career considerations a little bit. I know that I don't have to have my
>> selection narrowed down completely yet, but I have a list of options I
>> have
>> been giving semi serious thought to, and it is kind of a long list. To
>> help
>> narrow down my search a bit, I thought it may be a good idea to network
>> with
>> people in these jobs so that I can learn about the job in more detail and
>> that may help me narrow down my decision.
>>
>>
>>
>> I plan to meet with my school guidance counselor a few weeks after I get
>> back to school to talk about similar stuff, but I want to have more of an
>> idea of what I am doing before I have this meeting. I also am not super
>> stressed about finding a person to talk to in each specialty listed, I am
>> just using this as a starting point.
>>
>>
>>
>> If anyone here knows someone who would be willing to talk to me off list
>> about the specific specialties/careers (either blind or sited), , feel
>> free
>> to send me a message at
>>
>>
>>
>> lilliepennington at fuse.net
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you for any help. I am also on the human services and blind
>> educators
>> list and will probably ask there once I narrow down the list a bit. Also,
>> if
>> anyone knows of any good colleges/universities in either Ohio, Indiana,
>> or
>> Kentucky that are good for either education, social work, or family
>> science
>> programs please feel free to let me know as well.
>>
>>
>>
>> Career list:
>>
>>
>>
>> social workers (in general), or, specializing in
>>
>> *substance misuse and addiction
>>
>> *child welfare
>>
>> *school socialwork
>>
>> *public welfare
>>
>> *justice/corrections
>>
>> *healthcare
>>
>> *mental health/clinical
>>
>> *community
>>
>> *management/administration
>>
>> *policy and planning
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Psychology/counseling/misc
>>
>> *Marriage and family therapist/counselor
>>
>> *school guidance counselor
>>
>> *mental health counselor
>>
>> *substance abuse counselor
>>
>> *abuse/crisis counselors
>>
>> *high school teacher
>>
>> *child life specialist
>>
>> *family life educator
>>
>> *instructional curriculum coordinator (for schools)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you and please let me know if you have any questions, or if
>> anything
>> is unclear.
>>
>>
>>
>> Lillie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/bridgetawalker13%40aol.com
>
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>


-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 01:30:25 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 20:30:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille graph paper
Message-ID: <415AB26D-5436-4912-A280-D565F540E643@gmail.com>

Hello listers,
I will be taking a math class at my college this upcoming semester. It does involve graphing. Do any of you know where I can purchase Braille graph paper, preferably with the axes, or a way I can braille the graphs myself?
Thanks,
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPad

From amc05111 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 03:14:11 2014
From: amc05111 at gmail.com (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 23:14:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing paper
Message-ID: <53ACE183.8030804@gmail.com>

Hi,
This is one of the many sources that I like to use as a student and 
teacher. I like this paper because it is easy to put it in a binder.
Here's the link,
www.braillebookstore.com/Raised--Line-Graphing-Paper.1

If you want some other ideas or sources, just let me know.

--- Thank you Ashley Coleman
Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager http://www.blinkiechicks.com/


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 04:12:31 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 23:12:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing paper
In-Reply-To: <53ACE183.8030804@gmail.com>
References: <53ACE183.8030804@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6B87FD27-9625-4BDE-82E8-C2B70B3A7327@gmail.com>

Hi,
Does this paper have the x and y axes? I'm just curious.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is one of the many sources that I like to use as a student and teacher. I like this paper because it is easy to put it in a binder.
> Here's the link,
> www.braillebookstore.com/Raised--Line-Graphing-Paper.1
> 
> If you want some other ideas or sources, just let me know.
> 
> --- Thank you Ashley Coleman
> Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
> 
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 04:57:05 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 00:57:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Graphing paper
In-Reply-To: <6B87FD27-9625-4BDE-82E8-C2B70B3A7327@gmail.com>
References: <53ACE183.8030804@gmail.com>
	<6B87FD27-9625-4BDE-82E8-C2B70B3A7327@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gEcuKur+RYw3GJEBf2JJ=jQVZHz0S90t3Gwn0kS46DyA@mail.gmail.com>

Alyssa,

You should look through the APH catalog as they have a lot of options
when it comes to graph paper. When I was doing calculus in high school
and had to do a lot of graphing, I used this low raised 0.5 iinch
square graph paper with the x and y axes.

Minh

On 6/27/14, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> Does this paper have the x and y axes? I'm just curious.
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jun 26, 2014, at 10:14 PM, Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is one of the many sources that I like to use as a student and
>> teacher. I like this paper because it is easy to put it in a binder.
>> Here's the link,
>> www.braillebookstore.com/Raised--Line-Graphing-Paper.1
>>
>> If you want some other ideas or sources, just let me know.
>>
>> --- Thank you Ashley Coleman
>> Blinkie Chicks Social Media Manager http://www.blinkiechicks.com/
>>
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-- 
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Jun 27 05:21:12 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 2014 22:21:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille graph paper
In-Reply-To: <415AB26D-5436-4912-A280-D565F540E643@gmail.com>
References: <415AB26D-5436-4912-A280-D565F540E643@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7.0.1.0.2.20140626221841.0217f9f0@comcast.net>

Hi, Alyssa,

         In an event that you cannot get your paws on some graph 
paper, you can also partner with a sighted person, describing where 
the point ought to be placed (I.E 1 unit to the left and 2 units 
down) then, they can place the point. At 06:30 PM 6/26/2014, Alyssa 
via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello listers,
>I will be taking a math class at my college this upcoming semester. 
>It does involve graphing. Do any of you know where I can purchase 
>Braille graph paper, preferably with the axes, or a way I can 
>braille the graphs myself?
>Thanks,
>Alyssa
>
>Sent from my iPad
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From PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu  Fri Jun 27 05:39:00 2014
From: PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu (Justin Salisbury)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:39:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Bullet Point Plan
Message-ID: <4a4e65fd2bdc4fe294f3845167044cc4@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Fellow Federationists:

                I want to begin by thanking everyone who came out for the candidates forum, everyone who submitted questions, and everyone who has reached out to me to show their love and support following a great forum. I cannot forget to thank my many wonderful mentors and friends who have prepared me over the years for that big moment and all big moments to come. I am truly blessed.
                I have enjoyed talking about the number one priority of strengthening the bond between NABS leadership and NFB leadership, but I want to be sure that I do not forget to remind members of the other goals I have for the future of NABS. Here are some highlights:

-          Unifying communications: bringing all state student divisions onto Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet.org email lists in order to make it easier for us all to do the work of the Federation together

-          Incorporating NABS in events for blind students, such as youth programs put on by the Jernigan Institute

-          Saying the NFB pledge at all NABS activities

-          Bringing back another NABS leadership seminar

-          Bringing back the NABS state presidents' conference calls on a cycle that the state presidents can decide

-          Having open regular business meetings on a cycle that the membership can decide

-          Ensuring that NFB leadership has an opportunity to be involved in everything we do

-          At every decision, evaluating the following question: Which choice will best build the National Federation of the Blind?

In case anyone here does not already have my contact information, I am sharing it in my signature below. Again, thank you to everyone who has had a hand in this process. Please vote for me, Justin Salisbury, for NABS President.

Sincerely yours,

Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
Phone: 860.989.7865
Twitter: @_JSalisbury



From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 09:06:14 2014
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 04:06:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille graph paper
In-Reply-To: <415AB26D-5436-4912-A280-D565F540E643@gmail.com>
References: <415AB26D-5436-4912-A280-D565F540E643@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACXqA0qFi=kzwvgQJg1idaOU31BtzGMZYc5upFHLGQS+uYQvqA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Alyssa,

Here are some places where you can get braille graph paper. I hope this helps.

Braille Super Store
http://www.braillebookstore.com/Raised--Line-Graphing-Paper.1


American Printing House (APH)
http://shop.aph.org/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/Home_10001_11051



Bre Brown
On 6/26/14, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello listers,
> I will be taking a math class at my college this upcoming semester. It does
> involve graphing. Do any of you know where I can purchase Braille graph
> paper, preferably with the axes, or a way I can braille the graphs myself?
> Thanks,
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPad
> _______________________________________________
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From yadosoto at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 09:39:52 2014
From: yadosoto at gmail.com (Yadiel Sotomayor)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 05:39:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Bullet Point Plan
In-Reply-To: <4a4e65fd2bdc4fe294f3845167044cc4@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <4a4e65fd2bdc4fe294f3845167044cc4@BLUPR05MB402.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <20C22062-D5AE-4924-81A6-E3206938681B@gmail.com>



Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2014, at 1:39 AM, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Fellow Federationists:
> 
>                I want to begin by thanking everyone who came out for the candidates forum, everyone who submitted questions, and everyone who has reached out to me to show their love and support following a great forum. I cannot forget to thank my many wonderful mentors and friends who have prepared me over the years for that big moment and all big moments to come. I am truly blessed.
>                I have enjoyed talking about the number one priority of strengthening the bond between NABS leadership and NFB leadership, but I want to be sure that I do not forget to remind members of the other goals I have for the future of NABS. Here are some highlights:
> 
> -          Unifying communications: bringing all state student divisions onto Facebook, Twitter, and NFBnet.org email lists in order to make it easier for us all to do the work of the Federation together
> 
> -          Incorporating NABS in events for blind students, such as youth programs put on by the Jernigan Institute
> 
> -          Saying the NFB pledge at all NABS activities
> 
> -          Bringing back another NABS leadership seminar
> 
> -          Bringing back the NABS state presidents' conference calls on a cycle that the state presidents can decide
> 
> -          Having open regular business meetings on a cycle that the membership can decide
> 
> -          Ensuring that NFB leadership has an opportunity to be involved in everything we do
> 
> -          At every decision, evaluating the following question: Which choice will best build the National Federation of the Blind?
> 
> In case anyone here does not already have my contact information, I am sharing it in my signature below. Again, thank you to everyone who has had a hand in this process. Please vote for me, Justin Salisbury, for NABS President.
> 
> Sincerely yours,
> 
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
> Email: President at Alumni.ECU.edu<mailto:President at Alumni.ECU.edu>
> Phone: 860.989.7865
> Twitter: @_JSalisbury
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/yadosoto%40gmail.com I like this. It shows commitment to the national Federation of the blind as a whole.  


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Fri Jun 27 13:57:17 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (sami osborne)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:57:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
Message-ID: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my 
BrailleNote to write emails).

However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using 
their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a 
message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).

I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically 
on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that 
you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send 
this email?

I'm just curious to know this.

I hope you can answer.

Thanks,

Sami.


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Fri Jun 27 14:03:22 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:03:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
In-Reply-To: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <ACF7614B-7ECB-476C-B5BC-6B9E4F083E33@fuse.net>

The signature is automatically placed at the bottom of the email. I know the signature can be changed in the email portion I believe of the settings app.
HTH

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 27, 2014, at 9:57 AM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my BrailleNote to write emails).
> 
> However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).
> 
> I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send this email?
> 
> I'm just curious to know this.
> 
> I hope you can answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 14:06:29 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 07:06:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
In-Reply-To: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <08D4A0E2-4A1D-497A-8BF1-4893378A6110@gmail.com>

Hello,
That signature is the default signature featured in an iOS device.  You can change that in the "mail, contacts, and calendars "setting under signatures.
It's a pretty straightforward process, please be in touch if you have any questions.
Darian.

> On Jun 27, 2014, at 6:57 AM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my BrailleNote to write emails).
> 
> However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).
> 
> I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send this email?
> 
> I'm just curious to know this.
> 
> I hope you can answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 14:21:50 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 09:21:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
In-Reply-To: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <04F1945C-87D1-44B7-BE17-6F31CC202026@gmail.com>

I agree with what they said. Have you ever tried pairing your BrailleNote with your iPad and sending an  email? Yes, the signature thing is a default and I personally like it because sometimes when I'm touch typing, I make mistakes. The signature line likeets people know I'm typing on an iOs device. Like others have said, this signature can be changed but that's a personal choice.
hth, 
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2014, at 8:57 AM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my BrailleNote to write emails).
> 
> However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).
> 
> I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send this email?
> 
> I'm just curious to know this.
> 
> I hope you can answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Jun 27 14:27:53 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 10:27:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
In-Reply-To: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <3DA87C2A-E1E8-41F9-BE70-8910D9F9A8E6@me.com>

Hi Sammi.
That signature appears on IOS devices.
You can change it in the mail settings.

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 27, 2014, at 9:57 AM, sami osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my BrailleNote to write emails).
> 
> However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).
> 
> I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send this email?
> 
> I'm just curious to know this.
> 
> I hope you can answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 16:35:00 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 12:35:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National convention HeyTell group
Message-ID: <AE668B35-842A-4663-BAD9-351B4D8794C8@gmail.com>

Hello all,

In the past there has been a HeyTell group for attendees of the national convention. Does anyone know if there will be such a group this year again? If so, how do I join it?

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 22:19:19 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:19:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National convention HeyTell group
In-Reply-To: <AE668B35-842A-4663-BAD9-351B4D8794C8@gmail.com>
References: <AE668B35-842A-4663-BAD9-351B4D8794C8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53ADEDE7.8030501@gmail.com>

That or a what's app group? Please advise.
On 6/27/2014 12:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> In the past there has been a HeyTell group for attendees of the national convention. Does anyone know if there will be such a group this year again? If so, how do I join it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rebeccajoyleon at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 22:24:49 2014
From: rebeccajoyleon at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 17:24:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
Message-ID: <CANVBeWrYtjv2N2iCsGk2v4QdtESbM-g-ttQy+60L_+6w=8q2=g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS members,
My name is Rebecca Leon, and I am a new member of this emailing list!
To introduce myself briefly:
I am currently a social work major at Union University in Jackson Tennessee.
I have a deep passion for seeking justice and assisting in empowering
under-served populations. In particular I desire to serve victims of
trauma, specifically the orphan population, the population of girls
that have been trafficked and abused, and the intersection between
those two.
A few of my favorite pastimes, in no particular order, include:
•	Swimming: Competitively or just for fun.
•	Soccer: Although, sadly enough, 2 of my 3 favorite teams are not
making it into the next round of the world cup, but go USA!
•	Music: Which part? Well, playing music is awesome, and singing? Then
there’s dancing…, and you can’t forget just jamming out to your
Pandora, so…it’s really too hard to choose.
•	Traveling: The new cultures, the new foods, the foreign languages
and accents, I’m pretty obsessed with all of it!
•	Psychology: Most people don’t really think of this as a pastime, but
I kind of nerd out about it and study it for fun.
•	Reading: If I had to choose one thing for which I’m thankful about
my childhood, it would be the appreciation of reading which was
instilled in me. I am fascinated by books from philosophy to fairy
tales.
So hopefully that gives ya’ll a little better idea of who I am
Now down to business:
As the subject line states, I am planning on running for secretary of
NABS at the up-coming convention.
I believe that academically I am prepared for this position, having
completed the rigorous general honors requirements at my university
while maintaining a 4.0. I have utilized and developed organizational
skills while serving as vice president of the honors community and
currently as president of the social work department’s student
association. Through these experiences, I have found that my
propensity for planning allows me to function well as a voice of
practicality among my visionary piers, while believing whole-heartedly
in their philosophies and dreams. These positions and others, such as
serving as a mentor for multiple groups of incoming freshmen through
university sponsored programs, have also nurtured my ability to
communicate tactfully and effectively.
I have also spent some time abroad, including my recent study abroad
at an orphanage in Honduras. Observing other cultures and learning to
master Spanish has taught me a little about the immense complexity of
communication in any context. I have come to believe that the art of
written or verbal communication is characterized by one’s ability to
engage others, not one’s propensity for grandiosity in speech. I
certainly agree that there come occasions when maintaining strict
intellectuality  can enhance one’s ability to engage specific
populations, organizations, or figures of prestige, however, I also
firmly believe that small words, slang, and crazy emoji’s often do a
lot more for communication than we give them credit. I stress this
point because, while I am aware that the secretary position will
require leadership, organization, and initiative, I also believe that
it will involve a great deal of knowledge about how to communicate
appropriately.
One final note:
Obviously I am new to this organization, so how do I think that I can
run for a position on board? I admit that I am new, certainly, but I
do not believe that that is wholly negative. Newness brings new
perspective and different energy. Not only this, but I have also grown
more and more committed to NABS through my research and reading about
the organization and from its archives. I also promise to continue
learning about the organization, if I am elected, through fearlessly
asking mountains of questions, and, whether I am elected or not, I
can’t wait to get involved with NABS in Tennessee and serve in other
capacities within the organization.
Thank you to all of you who were curious enough to read this entire email!
If you have any more questions, please don’t hesitate to ask.
I will be attending convention, and, of course, will be coming to the
NABS Social on Tuesday! I will be at convention as a scholarship
finalist, so I will be rather busy, but, if any of you are interested
in meeting up with me, I would love to make time for you wherever
possible!
You are also welcome to call or text me at:
240-440-4802
Sincerely,
Rebecca-


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 22:58:40 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 18:58:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
Message-ID: <53adf744.040fec0a.3722.2b64@mx.google.com>

Hi Rebecca welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna 
Bacchus and I live in Orlando, Florida.  Iw be listening to each 
of the convention sessions via the live stream.  I hope you are 
elected as the next Nabs secretary.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 23:00:27 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:00:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question About Streaming Times for National Convention
Message-ID: <53adf7b0.8c8fec0a.2dc2.2e13@mx.google.com>

Hi nabs members hope this message finds you well.  I hope you're 
all packed and ready to attend what promisses to be an exciting 
national convention here in Orlando.  Do any of know when the 
live streaming for the general sessions will begin? Will the link 
that was sent out this mrrning work on the Apex?


From josh.harpernfb at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 23:10:59 2014
From: josh.harpernfb at gmail.com (Josh Harper)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 16:10:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
In-Reply-To: <53adf744.040fec0a.3722.2b64@mx.google.com>
References: <53adf744.040fec0a.3722.2b64@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAME8ZkOWoJp44OX2V8pPfA_Eaw2Y5xsOEfCsprWuiB11wW38XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Rebecca  my name is Joshua Harper and I am the president of the
Tennessee Association of Blind Students. Welcome to the NABS list. Have you
joined TABS? We also have a mailing list on nfbnet. If you have any
questions you can reach me at 615-482-7946.

Thanks

Joshua Harper
TABS President

On Friday, June 27, 2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Rebecca welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus
> and I live in Orlando, Florida.  Iw be listening to each of the convention
> sessions via the live stream.  I hope you are elected as the next Nabs
> secretary.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>

From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 23:12:13 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:12:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question About Streaming Times for National Convention
In-Reply-To: <53adf7b0.8c8fec0a.2dc2.2e13@mx.google.com>
References: <53adf7b0.8c8fec0a.2dc2.2e13@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <53ADFA4D.8090605@gmail.com>

I didn't get any link, so have no idea. Watch this list for streaming of 
the nabs meeting.
On 6/27/2014 7:00 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi nabs members hope this message finds you well. I hope you're all 
> packed and ready to attend what promisses to be an exciting national 
> convention here in Orlando. Do any of know when the live streaming for 
> the general sessions will begin? Will the link that was sent out this 
> mrrning work on the Apex?
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
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>
>



From pyyhkala at gmail.com  Fri Jun 27 23:35:23 2014
From: pyyhkala at gmail.com (Mika Pyyhkala)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 19:35:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National convention HeyTell group
In-Reply-To: <53ADEDE7.8030501@gmail.com>
References: <AE668B35-842A-4663-BAD9-351B4D8794C8@gmail.com>
	<53ADEDE7.8030501@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADOFa3htLoJ2yJqHg_aMYYiq-w6gH5rQZr6fCa6jXRU5OCT6Cg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
We are still working on the Heytell public relay, but we have not
gotten confirmation that they will be able to set it up again for
#nfb14.


I would follow the
#NFB14
Twitter hashtag as an announcement will likely be made there
especially if the relay is set up later rather than sooner.

It is also possible that they will not be able to set it up for this
particular event.

Stay tuned!

Best,
Mika

On 6/27/14, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> That or a what's app group? Please advise.
> On 6/27/2014 12:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hello all,
>>
>> In the past there has been a HeyTell group for attendees of the national
>> convention. Does anyone know if there will be such a group this year
>> again? If so, how do I join it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>
>
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sat Jun 28 03:12:22 2014
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:12:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Antimalware Programs
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS1114323E94CCD7D64A0DC0BF1A0@phx.gbl>

Hi,
I just tried to install the latest version of Malware Bytes Antimalware, and unfortunately, it is no longer accessible with JAWS. Any ideas on other malware removal tools?
Ian

From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 03:20:18 2014
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Fri, 27 Jun 2014 23:20:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible Antimalware Programs
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS1114323E94CCD7D64A0DC0BF1A0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS1114323E94CCD7D64A0DC0BF1A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHqJse3VNZW7m+vzJMe6QagCJZJ-QTvRrzapqwOMXgz3+SovWg@mail.gmail.com>

Ian, I'm going to e-mail you a download link privately off list so you
can download the older version of it.

On 6/27/14, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
> I just tried to install the latest version of Malware Bytes Antimalware, and
> unfortunately, it is no longer accessible with JAWS. Any ideas on other
> malware removal tools?
> Ian
> _______________________________________________
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 08:52:56 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 04:52:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] National convention HeyTell group
In-Reply-To: <CADOFa3htLoJ2yJqHg_aMYYiq-w6gH5rQZr6fCa6jXRU5OCT6Cg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <AE668B35-842A-4663-BAD9-351B4D8794C8@gmail.com>
	<53ADEDE7.8030501@gmail.com>
	<CADOFa3htLoJ2yJqHg_aMYYiq-w6gH5rQZr6fCa6jXRU5OCT6Cg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e7N3ru3qqLrz_Hc1kXEGOT1252U=VVmoFpXEB-kJ5DkTg@mail.gmail.com>

Here is your response Chris Nusbaum. Thanks so much for the kind update,
Mika Pyykhala. I look fwd. to a successful convention. I will def. follow
#nfb14 on Twitter. Please find me on Twitter @JimHulmeLookout


Good Luck to all of you. Have a great weekend!!!



James Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Fri, Jun 27, 2014 at 7:35 PM, Mika Pyyhkala via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:

> Hi,
> We are still working on the Heytell public relay, but we have not
> gotten confirmation that they will be able to set it up again for
> #nfb14.
>
>
> I would follow the
> #NFB14
> Twitter hashtag as an announcement will likely be made there
> especially if the relay is set up later rather than sooner.
>
> It is also possible that they will not be able to set it up for this
> particular event.
>
> Stay tuned!
>
> Best,
> Mika
>
> On 6/27/14, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > That or a what's app group? Please advise.
> > On 6/27/2014 12:35 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l wrote:
> >> Hello all,
> >>
> >> In the past there has been a HeyTell group for attendees of the national
> >> convention. Does anyone know if there will be such a group this year
> >> again? If so, how do I join it?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Chris Nusbaum
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/internetradioentertainer%40gmail.com
> >>
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/pyyhkala%40gmail.com
> >
>
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 15:27:58 2014
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 10:27:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bre Brown for Secretary
Message-ID: <CACXqA0qOH658ohUZn6Q5qTo4LJt055+1kdKpPaa_afCx=gEAxg@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists,

 In 2009 I became a proud member of the National Federation of the
Blind. I had heard about our organization for several years. However,
I never realized how awesome and impacting the NFB is until I joined.
As a new member, the state leaders in the NFB of West Virginia took me
under their wings, and they began teaching me our philosophy and
mentoring me. Six months later I had the privilege of attending a
youth leadership academy at the NFB Jernigan Institute. There I met
some of our national leaders and learned so much about our
organization. At that point I knew I was hooked.

By September of 2010 I was the president of the West Virginia
Association of Blind Students, and by 2011 I was serving on the state
board. I held both of these positions until 2013. All of those
opportunities led me to get involved with the National Association of
Blind Students (NABS). I started out by serving on a committee to get
more high school students involved. I extended my service to NABS by
volunteering wherever help was needed. After attending the Louisiana
Center for the Blind, I relocated to Texas. There I became the
secretary of the Texas Association of Blind Students which is one of
the most active student divisions in the country. In 2013 I was
elected as a board member of NABS. It has been an absolute honor to
serve in all of these positions. It has made me realize how much we
can effect change, set goals for the future, and continue the movement
of an active and vibrant organization.

I am planning to run for the position of secretary of NABS at our
annual business meeting. As a board member, I am currently serving on
the communications committee, and I am extensively handling our social
media platforms. I love organizing, planning, inputting information,
volunteering, and doing what it takes to help ensure that NABS
continues to be a successful, energetic organization. Because of all
of the opportunities I've been granted, I have developed great
organizational and communication skills. I would like to use my skills
to help continue the work of NABS. I want to increase the outreach
efforts of NABS, and my goal is to develop more state student
divisions. I am thrilled to be a part of NABS, and I know that we have
an extremely bright future ahead of us.

Being a member of the National Federation of the Blind has
significantly changed my life. I have been given so much, and I have
acquired an enormous amount of skills from wonderful people and
leaders. It's an honor to continue giving back, and serving on this
board is just another part of that. I would greatly appreciate your
vote for me as the next secretary of NABS!

Warmest Regards,
Bre Brown


From joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 15:35:11 2014
From: joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com (RJ Sandefur)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:35:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bre Brown for Secretary
References: <CACXqA0qOH658ohUZn6Q5qTo4LJt055+1kdKpPaa_afCx=gEAxg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <169C3DDE5E804AA8ADEF7D318692D3F4@robert9999b7cf>

Bre, I've no doubt in your abilities. RJ
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bre Brown via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org>; "National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 11:27 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] Bre Brown for Secretary


> Fellow Federationists,
>
> In 2009 I became a proud member of the National Federation of the
> Blind. I had heard about our organization for several years. However,
> I never realized how awesome and impacting the NFB is until I joined.
> As a new member, the state leaders in the NFB of West Virginia took me
> under their wings, and they began teaching me our philosophy and
> mentoring me. Six months later I had the privilege of attending a
> youth leadership academy at the NFB Jernigan Institute. There I met
> some of our national leaders and learned so much about our
> organization. At that point I knew I was hooked.
>
> By September of 2010 I was the president of the West Virginia
> Association of Blind Students, and by 2011 I was serving on the state
> board. I held both of these positions until 2013. All of those
> opportunities led me to get involved with the National Association of
> Blind Students (NABS). I started out by serving on a committee to get
> more high school students involved. I extended my service to NABS by
> volunteering wherever help was needed. After attending the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, I relocated to Texas. There I became the
> secretary of the Texas Association of Blind Students which is one of
> the most active student divisions in the country. In 2013 I was
> elected as a board member of NABS. It has been an absolute honor to
> serve in all of these positions. It has made me realize how much we
> can effect change, set goals for the future, and continue the movement
> of an active and vibrant organization.
>
> I am planning to run for the position of secretary of NABS at our
> annual business meeting. As a board member, I am currently serving on
> the communications committee, and I am extensively handling our social
> media platforms. I love organizing, planning, inputting information,
> volunteering, and doing what it takes to help ensure that NABS
> continues to be a successful, energetic organization. Because of all
> of the opportunities I've been granted, I have developed great
> organizational and communication skills. I would like to use my skills
> to help continue the work of NABS. I want to increase the outreach
> efforts of NABS, and my goal is to develop more state student
> divisions. I am thrilled to be a part of NABS, and I know that we have
> an extremely bright future ahead of us.
>
> Being a member of the National Federation of the Blind has
> significantly changed my life. I have been given so much, and I have
> acquired an enormous amount of skills from wonderful people and
> leaders. It's an honor to continue giving back, and serving on this
> board is just another part of that. I would greatly appreciate your
> vote for me as the next secretary of NABS!
>
> Warmest Regards,
> Bre Brown
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/joltingjacksandefur%40gmail.com 



From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 15:47:57 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 11:47:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hi
Message-ID: <53aee3d3.c46cec0a.3d22.ffffb4ce@mx.google.com>

Hi Rj welcome to the Blind Penpals Magazine.  I saw the add that 
you posted in the magazine this morning.  Sorry that I missed 
your Skype call a few minutes ago.  I'm working on some reading 
for my class.


From rebeccajoyleon at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 16:53:22 2014
From: rebeccajoyleon at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 12:53:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
In-Reply-To: <CAME8ZkOWoJp44OX2V8pPfA_Eaw2Y5xsOEfCsprWuiB11wW38XQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <53adf744.040fec0a.3722.2b64@mx.google.com>
	<CAME8ZkOWoJp44OX2V8pPfA_Eaw2Y5xsOEfCsprWuiB11wW38XQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6E5A6395-E4BF-4F13-9F2B-A0E7F1F0A912@gmail.com>

Thanks to each of you for the friendly welcome!
Josh, I will definitely contact you with further questions about working within TABS.
I did neglect to include in my prior email that I will be working with the president of the Tennessee affiliate to open a chapter within Jackson Tennessee where I currently attend school. I would love to do this in connection with Nabbs if at all possible.
Rebecca –

> On 27/06/2014, at 19:10, Josh Harper via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rebecca  my name is Joshua Harper and I am the president of the
> Tennessee Association of Blind Students. Welcome to the NABS list. Have you
> joined TABS? We also have a mailing list on nfbnet. If you have any
> questions you can reach me at 615-482-7946.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joshua Harper
> TABS President
> 
> On Friday, June 27, 2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rebecca welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus
>> and I live in Orlando, Florida.  Iw be listening to each of the convention
>> sessions via the live stream.  I hope you are elected as the next Nabs
>> secretary.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>> josh.harpernfb%40gmail.com
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From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 21:03:12 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 17:03:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
In-Reply-To: <6E5A6395-E4BF-4F13-9F2B-A0E7F1F0A912@gmail.com>
References: <53adf744.040fec0a.3722.2b64@mx.google.com>
	<CAME8ZkOWoJp44OX2V8pPfA_Eaw2Y5xsOEfCsprWuiB11wW38XQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<6E5A6395-E4BF-4F13-9F2B-A0E7F1F0A912@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADit0-vJRF4Ue7fAr2x733h1sMBiJHESc1yG9UbmJhQdPw4Bqw@mail.gmail.com>

All,
I first met Rebecca in May, and reconnected with her a few weeks ago
at the NFB 5K Braille Literacy run. I got to talking about NABS with
someone else and mentioning how there were elections, and such, and
Rebecca perked right up and said "I want to run!" Since then, we've
had a few incredible conversations, which have confirmed in my mind,
beyond a doubt, that she not only would make a great secretary, but
that she will be bringing great ideas, dedication and much energy to
the NFB and to NABS. I have no doubt that she will be a leader in our
movement.
Even though she is new, she has that passion and fire that has made
the NFB the movement that it is. She is a wonderful communicator, and
when you meet her at convention I know you will be just as impressed
as I have been.
I'd like to see a NABS leadership made up of passionate, and energetic
students, who are not just talking the talk, but also living the NFB
philosophy in the world. Most important, I believe that the best
leaders, are those who clearly want to be leaders, those who want to
help, those who are willing to listen to others, welcome ideas, and
try to be as inclusive as possible. I know Rebecca will bring this to
the board, and the membership, and that her skills will allow us to
grow as an organization, and become much stronger. I support her, and
i hope that you take the time to talk to her and vote for her.
Thanks.
Mary F


On 6/28/14, Rebecca Leon via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks to each of you for the friendly welcome!
> Josh, I will definitely contact you with further questions about working
> within TABS.
> I did neglect to include in my prior email that I will be working with the
> president of the Tennessee affiliate to open a chapter within Jackson
> Tennessee where I currently attend school. I would love to do this in
> connection with Nabbs if at all possible.
> Rebecca -
>
>> On 27/06/2014, at 19:10, Josh Harper via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Rebecca  my name is Joshua Harper and I am the president of the
>> Tennessee Association of Blind Students. Welcome to the NABS list. Have
>> you
>> joined TABS? We also have a mailing list on nfbnet. If you have any
>> questions you can reach me at 615-482-7946.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Joshua Harper
>> TABS President
>>
>> On Friday, June 27, 2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Rebecca welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus
>>> and I live in Orlando, Florida.  Iw be listening to each of the
>>> convention
>>> sessions via the live stream.  I hope you are elected as the next Nabs
>>> secretary.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/
>>> josh.harpernfb%40gmail.com
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 21:19:15 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 17:19:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Forum questions, and election candidates
Message-ID: <CADit0-vLhoMzL7mVXei=NxAOtOS8UtQqHgY2vBmYa-N+t8aGaA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I apologize for the late post, however, it's been a rather hectic week for me.
So, I am attaching the questions which were submitted for the
candidates' forum, if anyone would liek to answer, they are all there.
Second, below I've listed the names of people who contacted me with
the intention of running. If I missed anyone, please go ahead and
announce yourselves.
Secretary
Bre Brown
Aleeha Dudley
Rebecca Leon
Emily Pennington
Board member
Tina Haskin
James Garrett Moony
Sarah Patnaude
Thanks again to every one!

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Jun 28 23:37:20 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 19:37:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Forum questions, and election candidates
Message-ID: <53af51d6.4637ec0a.63ab.050a@mx.google.com>

Hi Mary I have a suggestion for you.  Have you thought about 
posting the questions from the candidates form to the Nabs list 
instead of attaching them to an email? I tried to open the 
attachment using my BrailleNote Apex but the file was blank when 
I opened it.  I don't know what is going on with it.
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From emilypennington at fuse.net  Sun Jun 29 00:06:41 2014
From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:06:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Greetings, fellow NABSters.
Message-ID: <83169DBC6AE94FEC9921F57B42C097E8@EmilyDesktopPC>

Hello, fellow students.
My name is Emily Pennington, and I am a junior Accounting major from Cincinnati, Ohio. Although I do not post frequently to the list -- which I plan on changing -- I have been involved with NABS and the federation for nearly two years. Essentially, I planned on running for secretary. However, if Candice wins the presidency, I would like to run for the open treasurer spot. I have a back-up plan for my back-up plan in that I want to run for board member if Bre Brown wins the secretary position. I know those are a lot of alternatives, but I would love to get more involved in NABS and play a more instrumental role in changes for the upcoming year(s).
Let me begin by giving some more background information on myself. I am beginning my junior year as an Accounting major at Xavier University, a private school located near my home in Cincinnati. I hope to graduate with both my Accounting degree and my MBA in four years, after which I plan on going to law school. After taking the CPA exam and the BAR, I want to get my Master's degree in taxation so I can pursue a career as a tax lawyer. I am really excited about my career plans because they combine my love of the law with my love of numbers.
At school, I am a member of the Accounting Society and Beta Alpha Psi, the latter of which is an Accounting Honors society. I am also in Delta Sigma Pi: a professional fraternity for those in the business school. Aside from those extracurriculars near and dear to my major, I sing in several different choirs on campus, and I serve as Treasurer of my school's chapter of Students Against Destructive Decisions. On the federation front, I am Treasurer and Fund-raising Committee Chair of the Ohio Association of Blind Students, which is small but mighty and growing a little with each year. Additionally, I am the Treasurer of the Cincinnati chapter of the NFB. In my spare time, I love to read, travel, make and listen to music, and try exotic foods, to name a few hobbies.
Although I have a good deal of experience as treasurer, I feel that I could bring a lot to the table in whatever position for which I end up running. I am very organized and have a mind and memory for details, which comes in handy in a leadership role in which one juggles a lot of responsibility. I also do my best to communicate quickly and articulately; I check both of my e-mail accounts multiple times a day in order to keep up with and send whatever is necessary. Although I have listed several different leadership experiences from school and the NFB alike, I recognize that I am still learning. Each position I fill is a little different from the others, and even though I learn as I go, I make sure to internalize the knowledge I gain and not repeat mistakes. Lastly, I am an open-minded person who knows how to be both a leader and a team player. I love working with other people, and when issues arise, I consider things from all perspectives. However, if I feel that something is not right, I will make my feelings known -- respectfully but firmly.
I know my involvement in NABS and the federation is still fairly new, and I have a lot to learn. But I am ready to learn all I can as I become more involved and -- hopefully -- take on more leadership roles. I, too, am coming to convention as a scholarship winner, so although I am pretty scheduled, I would love to speak with anybody who has any questions for me or would just like to introduce themselves. After all, I am always interested in meeting new people. Feel free to e-mail me off-list at:
emilypennington at fuse.net
if you have any questions. I appreciate your patience in getting through this long-winded message. Here's to a great convention!

Sincerely,
Emily Pennington

From emilypennington at fuse.net  Sun Jun 29 00:08:09 2014
From: emilypennington at fuse.net (Emily Pennington)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 20:08:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Forum Questions for Candidates
Message-ID: <6DEC0958DA1547DEA2231AF9D9176DDC@EmilyDesktopPC>

Hello, everyone.
I am pasting the questions below. Hope this helps.

Sincerely,
Emily

Leadership
1.      What do you feel you will be able to accomplish as president that you could not accomplish as a board member or member at large?

 

2.      I have noticed that some NABS board members have a difficult time balancing the responsibilities of being a NABS board member with the responsibilities

of being a student. On one hand, I have seen some NABS board members neglect their responsibilities as a student to make time to support NABS activities,

while on the other hand, I have seen some NABS board members neglect their responsibilities as a NABS board member due to their course load as a student.

If elected as NABS President, how do you plan to balance your responsibilities as NABS President with your responsibilities as a student in a way that

does not neglect either one of these responsibilities? 

3.      Besides involvement with NABS, what other leadership roles have you held and how did you do in those roles?

4.      What leadership qualities do you feel you possess that make you the best candidate for this position?

5.      When is it important to be humble as a leader?

6.      What mistake taught you the most valuable lesson about leadership?

7.      As a leader, are you good at communicating with every one on the team? Are you going to make sure that the people that are not on the board recieve the

minutes and knows what happened at the meeting if they were not there? What will you do if people on the board do not show up at the meetings and do not

do their job?

8.      What will you do differently if elected? What do you see as the role that NABS plays in the larger organization?

 

Philosophy
1.      The national office recently put out a new one minute message to convey the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind. Based on your own personal

philosophy of blindness, and in your own words, what would you say in a one minute message about NFB philosophy? 

2.      How do you see NABS integrating with and embodying Federation philosophy?

3.      How does the NFB philosophy fit into this digital age where blind individuals are less likely to subscribe to a traditional consumer movement?

4.      Have you recieved training at a NFB training center? How many years have you been a member of the NFB? Are you going to build a training center in a state

that does not have one yet?

5.      What do you believe the philosophy of the NFB is in today's world?

 

Communication
1.      If you are elected as NABS President, I am sure you will receive plenty of feedback from others. Some of this feedback may be good while some of it may

be bad. With this in mind, how well do you deal with criticism from others? Are you more likely to accept negative feedback from others as you try to see

things from their point of view, or are you more inclined to try to convince others to see your point of view while not being so willing to hear things

from their point of view? And most importantly, would you be willing to seriously consider and possibly implement the ideas of someone who holds a different

point of view than you?

2.      In the past year, there has been some discussion on the NABS email list regarding the purpose of the Student Slate and the Monthly Updates. What do you

see as the purpose of these tools for communicating with the membership? Would you prefer one over the other, or do you believe there is a place for both?

Traditionally, a member of the NABS board writes the Monthly Updates, but would you be willing to consider a non-board member to help write these Monthly

Updates if they were to ask you about it?

3.      What new initiatives do you hope to implement to keep the membership more informed and to keep things more transparent?

4.      In what ways will you change or improve the communication between nabs and the national and state affiliates?

5.      What three specific tasks can you promise in the way of communication between the student membership and other components of the Federation?

6.      Are you going to stay in contact with all of the student presidents in every state by emailing them? Are you going to let every one know what is going

on in the NABS organization? Are you up to date with your email? For example are you able to check and respond quickly to emails

7.      Clearly, communication has not been what it should. How do you plan on changing things in this regard? ?

 

Membership
1.      There has been a great deal of discussion about nabs being a part of the national federation of the blind. However, there are many students who are only

involved on the listserve or in student division activities. Since the goal of every student is to eventually stop being a student, how do you suggest

translating that involvement into involvement in local chapters and state affiliates?

2.      The challenge of reaching out to all members of NABS is nothing new. However, it seems as though most of what happens in NABS is centered around being

able to attend national convention and Washington Seminar. If elected as NABS President, how do you plan to deal with the challenge of making sure the

membership at large feels as though they are a part of NABS despite not being able to attend these national events?

3.      Students want to get involved but they often don't know how or feel like they are turned away because of the clique mentality. How ar eyou going to address

this so that people feel more welcome?

4.      What do you see changing with regard to the membership and it's activity level within the division?

5.      Blind students is a large population segment. Who, within that larger body, is your target audience?

6.      Are you a member of the NFB who will be able to advocate for students who are struggling at state blind schools? Are you a member of the NFB who will make

sure that every child will be thought braille?

7.      What is the role of the NABS Board in developing its Membership across the nation? Do you encourage articipation in local chapters?

 

Goals and Objectives
1.      What are your top three goals for nabs in the coming term?

2.      I believe one of the goals of NABS is to help foster mentoring relationships. First, there is the relationship between the NABS President and the President

of the NFB whereby the Presidentof the NFB acts as a mentor for the NABS President. Then there are the relationships between the NABS President and the

NABS board and the state student division Presidents whereby the NABS President acts as a mentor to the NABS board and state student division Presidents.

If elected as NABS President, how do you plan to make use of these mentoring relationships to further the success of NABS?

3.       What do you hop to accomplish most in the first six months of becoming president i.e. biggest change

4.      In what innovative ways do you see yourself moving the division forward?

5.      What is NABS' greatest deficiency, and how do you hope to rectify it?

6.      Will you make shure that every student of NABS gets a room mate at national convention and at washington seminar?

7.      I agree that we need to encourage attendance at our training centers but also agree that we need to encourage independence and the skills of blindness.

What are your thoughts on this?

 

Other
1.      For Justin: Although the main purpose of Washington Seminar to is to meet with members of congress, NABS has a long standing tradition of holding student

division activities during Washington Seminar. However, I did not see you actively participate in any of the NABS activities as a NABS board member during

this year’s Washington Seminar despite seeing you there. If elected as NABS President, how can the membership trust that you will give NABS the attention

and priority it deserves especially when there are other priorities in your life competing for your time and attention? For Candice: Thank you for your

hard work in leading the NABS fundraiser during Washington Seminar. However, it appeared to me that you were doing a lot of this work on your own, and

could have delegated some of the tasks involved with this fundraiser to others. What lessons did you learn while leading this fundraiser, and if elected

as NABS President, how do you plan to delegate tasks to others so you do not end up doing most of the work on your own?

2.      What do you like to do for fun outside of NFB work? Hobbies? Passions? Guilty pleasures?

3.      What are two strengths and two weaknesses that you have with regard to your leadership and teamwork abilities?

4.      What do you hope to accomplish as a NABS board member that you could not accomplish as a general member?

5.      Are you going to do something amazing with NABS? What are your strengths and why should i vote for you for president for NABS?

6.      Beyond saying what is olitically correct, what will you bring to the office you are seeking? What have you done to build the Federation and the NFB as

a larger organization? How do you get people involved wherever you currently serve?

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 00:50:52 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 28 Jun 2014 17:50:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Elections
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAE0qGwnOAw=gKYZo2kOPBgMhxqdB_ZUiGsetS3CB+LuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've really enjoyed reading all the introductions from folks who are
running for the NABS president, secretary and board positions. It is
clear that there is a great deal of talent, experience, and drive in
this organization and that all of you have great things to contribute
to the organization over the next few years. I just want to wish lots
of luck to everyone who is coming out and running.
Also, I would like to strongly encourage everyone who runs for a
position to stay involved in NABS leadership regardless of the outcome
of your contest. Elections are a numbers game, and inevitably, some of
you will not get on the board, or will not get your first choice of
position. However, that does not mean your input is not valued here.
There is always room to get involved on the committee of your choice,
to lead your state student division, and to help with NABS events such
as Monte Carlo and the auctions at Washington Seminar. You can also
further the NABS mission by reaching out to younger students or other
blind students in your field of study on this list. Most likely, there
will be a conference call sometime in August or September when the
committee chairs will come on and ask for volunteers to join
committees.
In particular, I would urge the individual who loses the presidential
race to stay involved on or off the board as you see fit. Although I
understand that putting your neck out there for president and then not
winning is uncomfortable, it doesn't mean that your desire to lead and
your talents are not appreciated. In the past, I have seen
presidential or vice-presidential candidates lose elections and then
disappear. This happens sometimes not only in NABS, but in affiliates
and chapters (and I'm sure in non-NFB organizations too). I always
view this as unfortunate, especially when the presidential or
vice-presidential hopeful previously served on the board and had a lot
of good ideas to contribute.

See you in Orlando soon!
Best,
Arielle


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 04:20:50 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:20:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chris Nusbaum for NABS Board
Message-ID: <53af9435.529ce00a.139f.ffffec4a@mx.google.com>

Dear Fellow NABS Members:

In April of 2011 my life changed forever.  I was in seventh grade 
at the time and attending my first ever Jernigan Institute 
program: the 2011 Leadership and Advocacy in Washington (LAW) 
Program.  Before I had enrolled in this event, I had been a 
member of the National Federation of the Blind, but only on 
paper.  My memories of an earlier experience had prevented me 
from throwing myself into any Federation activity.  I had no 
interest in any of the youth programs or in attending a national 
convention.  Even when I joined my family in making the 
occasional day trip to our state convention, I showed no interest 
in attending the general sessions or even the student activities.  
Most of the time I would stay in the hotel room with my dad, who 
possessed a similar lack of interest in "all those meetings," 
while Mom went to those parent sessions she always wanted to go 
to.  Sometimes I would allow myself to be "dragged" to the 
parents' luncheon at which they seemed to inevitably ask me to 
speak almost every year.  However, I knew my life was lacking 
something.  Sure, I could accept my blindness for what it is.  
Sure, I had no sadness or sense of loss in the realization that I 
am blind.  However, I had no source of confidence or motivation 
to drive me on.  I had no community I could call my own; no 
mentors to ask those blindness questions which only found their 
place in the deep recesses of my mind; no peers to whom I could 
relate.  I was a blind person floating through life alone, with a 
lot of enthusiasm and no place to use it.  There was no place 
where I could truly say I belonged.

It was during those momentous four days in Baltimore that I met 
the National Federation of the Blind-not the Federation of my 
early childhood, which in my mind was mean and radical and 
close-minded, but the real Federation.  There I met adults and 
peers alike who told me I could live the life I want.  And they 
didn't just tell me that; they showed me by their example.  I saw 
the Federation's powerful advocacy in action, fighting for the 
rights of all blind people to live on equal terms with the 
sighted.  Most importantly for me, however, I met people who told 
me I didn't have to be an adult or a national leader or the 
"perfect blind person" to contribute to our movement.  Finally, I 
had found a place where I belong-a community and a cause I can 
call my own! I came home from that program a changed person.  
Almost immediately I immersed myself in learning about the 
history, philosophy and programs of the Federation.  In my 
eagerness to connect with the members of my newfound community, I 
subscribed to three NFB-Net listservs in one day and began 
voraciously reading the material posted on them.  Some of you may 
remember me from those days: a middle school student bursting at 
the seems with Federation enthusiasm and contributing to every 
thread I could.  Some of you may have wished then that I would 
just go away.  Unfortunately, or fortunately, I have not.

In the intervening three years I have begun to assimilate myself 
into active Federation membership and some leadership.  In 2012 I 
was elected to serve on the Board of the Maryland Association of 
Blind Students,  of which I am currently honored to serve as 
Secretary.  I have also been blessed with opportunities to give 
back to the movement which has given me so much on the state and 
even the national level.  Last year I was honored when our state 
President asked me to join our social media team and coordinate 
the live tweeting of our state convention.  Further still, I was 
deeply humbled when I received the call from Dr.  Maurer to serve 
on the newly-formed Committee on Social Media which develops and 
implements strategies for spreading the message of the Federation 
using the power of social media.  God and the Federation have 
also blessed me with numorous occasions to continue my growth, to 
be mentored and to mentor others, e.g.  as a teacher in our 
Baltimore BELL Program, as an informal teacher and role model to 
blind children and their families, and as a student in the 
Louisiana Center for the Blind's Buddy and STEP Programs.  I have 
taken much from this wonderful organization; now I am ready to 
give back.

After much contemplation, I have decided to run for the position 
of NABS Board Member at our upcoming national convention.  I 
believe my enthusiasm and prior experience will help NABS in 
continuing our vibrancy as a proud division of the NFB.  Though I 
am still in high school, I am passionate about reaching out to 
those younger students who, like me before I found the 
Federation, are currently floating through life on their own with 
no cause to call their own.  I believe my status as a member of 
the younger generation of students will serve as an asset to 
NABS.  Moreover, I do not intend to act unilaterally on anything.  
We are an organization which can only survive if all involved 
work together.  If elected, I plan to cooperate and actively 
communicate with both my fellow leaders and the wider membership 
in creating a better, stronger NABS.  I can truly say that the 
National Federation of the Blind has changed my life.  Now, it is 
time for me to give back that which has been so generously given 
me.  With your vote on July 2, as the motto of the Louisiana 
Center for the Blind so aptly states, "Together, we are changing 
what it means to be blind." I thank you for your support and 
would be honored to receive your vote.

Sincerely yours,

Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 07:31:36 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 00:31:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nabs-presidents] Bre Brown for Secretary
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All:
  I have had the pleasure of meeting Bre Brown at our 2010 National convention.  She was very new to the organization, but was  not shy about taking on an opportunity to learn, meet new people and help out  wherever she could.
 Over the years I would coordinate convention volunteer recruitment, and I can’t remember a year where she didn’t help out with Monte Carlo, the business meeting or working in the exhibit hall. 
 She was always willing to serve on a committee, and was a frequent contributor  to the membership committee.  On that committee she did quite a few things including  chairing our  high school committee.
 Bre has always cared about our movement, been willing to work for the cause, and suggest/implement new ideas.  She’s shown that she’s willing to work behind the scenes and does so with the spirit  that is  characteristic  of the backbone of our organization.
 She understands first-hand the important role that students and student divisions play in the Federation as evidence by not only the elected offices she has held, but the opportunities she has utilized to engage her self  wherever she’s gone.
 weather it is selling pepperoni Rolls in  west virginia, breakfast tacos in Texas, or working  youth programs  in Louisiana, she’s been a steady role model of what it is to be a team player and to be mentor/role model.
 
 As elections come along, i’m  excited, encouraged and  appreciative of the fact that we have so many bright and talented folks who are intending to run for offices in the 2014 National  Association of Blind Students elections. I know that any of them can do a truly great job leading the division in our collective  service to the federation, but in particular I know that Bre Brown is ideally positioned, not by her current  position on the board, but by the sum of her experiences,  passion and commitment. She will be an exceptional Secretary, and I’m whole-heartedly  supporting her     candidacy and election as  Secretary of the National  Association of Blind Students.
 I thank you for reading, and ask that you might support Bre as well.
  Darian                                          
                       
On Jun 28, 2014, at 8:27 AM, Bre Brown via Nabs-presidents <nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Fellow Federationists,
> 
> In 2009 I became a proud member of the National Federation of the
> Blind. I had heard about our organization for several years. However,
> I never realized how awesome and impacting the NFB is until I joined.
> As a new member, the state leaders in the NFB of West Virginia took me
> under their wings, and they began teaching me our philosophy and
> mentoring me. Six months later I had the privilege of attending a
> youth leadership academy at the NFB Jernigan Institute. There I met
> some of our national leaders and learned so much about our
> organization. At that point I knew I was hooked.
> 
> By September of 2010 I was the president of the West Virginia
> Association of Blind Students, and by 2011 I was serving on the state
> board. I held both of these positions until 2013. All of those
> opportunities led me to get involved with the National Association of
> Blind Students (NABS). I started out by serving on a committee to get
> more high school students involved. I extended my service to NABS by
> volunteering wherever help was needed. After attending the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, I relocated to Texas. There I became the
> secretary of the Texas Association of Blind Students which is one of
> the most active student divisions in the country. In 2013 I was
> elected as a board member of NABS. It has been an absolute honor to
> serve in all of these positions. It has made me realize how much we
> can effect change, set goals for the future, and continue the movement
> of an active and vibrant organization.
> 
> I am planning to run for the position of secretary of NABS at our
> annual business meeting. As a board member, I am currently serving on
> the communications committee, and I am extensively handling our social
> media platforms. I love organizing, planning, inputting information,
> volunteering, and doing what it takes to help ensure that NABS
> continues to be a successful, energetic organization. Because of all
> of the opportunities I've been granted, I have developed great
> organizational and communication skills. I would like to use my skills
> to help continue the work of NABS. I want to increase the outreach
> efforts of NABS, and my goal is to develop more state student
> divisions. I am thrilled to be a part of NABS, and I know that we have
> an extremely bright future ahead of us.
> 
> Being a member of the National Federation of the Blind has
> significantly changed my life. I have been given so much, and I have
> acquired an enormous amount of skills from wonderful people and
> leaders. It's an honor to continue giving back, and serving on this
> board is just another part of that. I would greatly appreciate your
> vote for me as the next secretary of NABS!
> 
> Warmest Regards,
> Bre Brown
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Nabs-presidents mailing list
> Nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-presidents_nfbnet.org



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 14:31:38 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 07:31:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 National Federation of the Blind Community
	Service Group Activities : Learning, Leading, and  Limo-riding
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References: <B2F32C8E-D679-4FD9-B15E-D73EABB0FC03@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <416F0D1A-4600-4A51-860D-ACA157A592CC@gmail.com>

Just Wanting to drop a direct note to all of you service-minded NABS folks.
 Drop everything, Drop by, Drop in!
 we would love to see you at any of the below !
 Safe travels and catch ya in Orlando!
  
> Fellow Federationists,
> 
> It is said that some things are worth the wait.
> 
> Well, we think that the slate of events being put on by the NFB Community Service Group would certainly fall into this category. We are especially excited to offer to you all of the below activities and ask that you support us by participating as appropriate. Whether you are a blind youth who wants something fun to do or something constructive for your confidence/college application, are an adult looking for a way to plug into your community, want something inspiring to get you ready for the big week ahead, or something else not mentioned here, you don’t want to miss a moment!
> 
> Now, if you are looking for an excuse to ride around town like a superstar or flaunt massive amounts of trivia skill with friends and fellow know-it-alls, then don’t worry; we’ve so got you covered there, too!
> 
> Tuesday, July 1.  Putting It Together for Good: Implementing Independence Skills in Community Service. Sponsored by the National Organization of Parents of Blind Children and the NFB Community Service Group.
> Session 1 (youth 11-14): 11:00 AM - 12:15 PM, Salon 11, level 2
> Session 2 (youth 14-18): 3:30 - 4:45, Salon 12, level 2
> Volunteering is not only a good thing to do, but it is also a fun thing to be part of. Come be a part of age-appropriate activities to help you learn what volunteering/community service is, what type of service you like doing, and how you can find the stuff you like doing. Who knows:  It might even make you the coolest person in your school! (Good for resumes and scholarship applications, too.)
> 
> Thursday, July 3.  Community Service Group Seminar and Organizing Meeting, Salon 7, level 2
> 6:15: Registration
> 6:25: Service Forum
> Come early for the pre-seminar service forum, a time to hear from representatives from some of the nation’s most successful service outfits. Hear from the Red Cross, Habitat for Humanity, and Hands On Orlando as they answer your questions and encourage your involvement!
> 7:00: Meeting begins! Settle in for our third annual seminar! Learn how giving back to our community builds our movement, celebrate 20 years of AmeriCorps service with our resident alumni, and be encouraged to volunteer at any time with friends, family, and fellow Federationists.
> Since you’re already here, why not stick around and be a part of a proud moment in Federation history as a constitution is formalized, officers are elected, and a division is created.
> 
> Calling all Federation stars and starlets!
> Support the Community Service Group as we begin a new chapter in becoming an official division of the NFB! We are hosting a fantastic Fourth of July Limo Party, with none other than Mr. Anil Lewis as our esteemed NFB celebrity guest! Five lucky Federationists will be picked from our raffle to accompany us for an action-packed Fourth of July evening, from 6:30 to 10:30, including a limo ride to the Orlando CityWalk, a nice drive around downtown, and topped off with a huge Fourth of July festival in downtown Orlando. Awesome food, live music, and a fireworks show! That's not all!!! What would make this evening more memorable? Sharing this unique experience with your own special guest. Bring your best friend! Bring a date! Winners will be drawn on Thursday, July 3, at the Community Service Group Seminar. You do not need to be in attendance to win. The time to enter the raffle is very limited and will be gone before you know it. Keep an ear out for our Community Service Group reps and get entered while you have the chance. Entries are $10 and all we need is your full name and cell phone number. We will also be selling raffle entries at the Community Service Seminar. Good luck!
> 
> Saturday, July 5.  Trivia Night- Sponsored by the Community Service Group (Applying for division status), Salon 9, level 2. $10 individual entry fee
> Two fun-filled sessions for the busy convention-goer (6:15-7:30 and 7:45-9:00).
> Two heads are better than one? try eight!
> Test your knowledge in group Trivia and win a cash prize! (The more entrants, the more the pay-out to the winning team!)
>  Bring a team of eight with you, or just come ready to make some new friends. Proceeds benefit future division programs/ Activities.
> Darian Smith
> Chairperson, Community Service Group -National Federation  of The Blind.
> (415)215-9809
> dsmithnfb at gmail.com
> Twitter: @goldengateace
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want;
> blindness is not what holds you back.
>  
> "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve”
>  - Albert Schweitzer.
> 
> Your  unwanted vehicle can be  just what the blind need to make possibilities reality.    
>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 15:34:30 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:34:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] 2014 Community Service Group Seminar/Organizing meeting
	Agenda: For The Good of The Community, For the Good of the Movement.
In-Reply-To: <387C5D60-C96F-4433-A156-D9242CDACBAB@gmail.com>
References: <55B9B95B-6EF1-4F5D-96C3-88A16A03A2B0@gmail.com>
	<387C5D60-C96F-4433-A156-D9242CDACBAB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DA7A493F-E9FF-4181-9428-81A202FCA793@gmail.com>

hey NABS,
  I can’t think of a better group of friends to invite to  the below seminar.
 Best part;  if you are going  to be at convention,  all you really have to do is drop in!
 Read the below and get excited!
  

>> Fellow Federationests,
> 
>  I am pleased and excited to present  to you all the agenda for the Community Service Group seminar/division organizing meeting!
>  Please take note the fabulous group  of presenters slated to  share insights, information and  encouragement.
>  Also be prepared to Join the newly formed division at this meeting ( dues are tentative at $5 which is the standard for most divisions of the Federation).
>  if you should have any questions, please feel free to get a hold of me via the information in my signature found at the end of the e-mail.
>   Thanks and  see you in Orlando!
>   Darian        
> 
>> For the Good of the Community, for the Good of the Movement
>> 
>> 6:15 - 10:00 pm, Salon 7, level 2 (registration begins at 6:15 pm)
>> 
>> 6:25 - 6:55: Pre-seminar Service Forum
>> Kyle Trager, Community Partnerships Manager, Hands On Orlando
>> Jennifer Gallagher, Director of Community Outreach, Habitat for Humanity of Greater
>> Orlando Area Inc
>> Michael Fret , Regional Training and Development Program Manager, Red Cross
>> Mid-Florida Region, Orlando, Florida
>> 
>> 7:00: Opening Remarks
>> Darian Smith, Chairperson, Community Service Group, San Francisco, California
>> 
>> 7:05: Full Participation Starts with Giving Back
>> Mark A. Riccobono, Executive Director, Jernigan Institute, National Federation of the
>> Blind, Baltimore, Maryland
>> 
>> 7:20: The Gift of Service, the Gift of the Federation
>> Alan Chase, 2014 Scholarship Winner, Raleigh, North Carolina
>> Derek Manners, 2014 Scholarship Winner, Cambridge, Massachusetts
>> Katelyn MacIntyre, 2014 Scholarship Winner, Scottsdale, Arizona
>> Deja Powell, 2014 Scholarship Winner, St. George, Utah
>>  
>> 7:30: 20 years of AmeriCorps: the Service, the Benefits, the impact
>> Hue Jacobs, State Program Specialist, Corporation for National and Community
>> Service, Florida State Office
>> 
>> 7:40: For the Good of the Community, for the Good of the Movement
>> Conchita Hernandez, Teacher of Blind Students, Washington, D.C.
>> Garrick Scott, President, National Federation of the Blind of Georgia, Decatur, Georgia
>> Christina Clift, Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Tennessee;
>> President, Memphis Federation of the Blind; Treasurer, Tennessee Association of Blind
>> Students, Millington, Tennessee
>> Annemarie Cook, member, at-large chapter, North Brunswick, New Jersey
>> 
>> 8:00: AmeriCorps Service, Federation Leadership, How They Go Hand in Hand
>> Minister Sam Gleese, board member, National Federation of the Blind; president,
>> National Federation of the Blind of Mississippi, Jackson, Mississippi
>> 
>> 8:10: Expanding the Role of the Blind in the Community
>> Kevan Worley, Chairman, 75 days of action, National Federation of the Blind, Colorado
>> Springs, Colorado
>> 
>> 8:15: Federation Philosophy in Action: First Annual NFB Community Service Division Service
>> Project
>> Charlotte Czarnecki, Convention Service Project Chairperson, Community Service Group,
>> Minneapolis, Minnesota
>> 
>> 8:20: Lighthouse Youth Red Cross Club
>>  	Jamey Gump, Youth Services Coordinator, Lighthouse for the Blind, San Francisco,
>> California
>> Priscilla Jimenez, Vice President, Red Cross club, Richmond, California
>>  	Julie Cabrera, Member, Red Cross Club, Richmond, California
>>  
>> 8:30: Show Me How to Do It Now!: Finding Your Service Project
>> Chris Parsons, Secretary, Community Service Group, St. Louis, Missouri
>> 
>> 8:40: What’s Whozit to You?
>> Corina Salinas, Fundraising Chairperson, Community Service Group; Fundraising
>> Chairperson, Texas Association of Blind Students, Houston, Texas
>> Michele Mitchell, Research and Resource Chairperson, Community Service Group,
>> Waltham, Massachusetts
>> 
>> 8:50: Changing What it Means to Get Things Done
>> Darian Smith, Chairperson, Community Service Group, San Francisco, California
>> 
>> Organizing Meeting
>>  
>> 9:00: Review of the Constitution
>> 
>> 9:15: Establishment of Dues
>> 
>> 9:20: Elections
>> 
>> 9:40: Developing a Schedule of Events
>> 
>> 10:00: Adjourn
>> 
>> <For the Good of the Community, for the Good of the Movement(final).docx>
>> 
>>  
>>    
>>    
>> 
>> 
>> Darian Smith
>> Chairperson, Community Service Group -National Federation  of The Blind.
>> (415)215-9809
>> dsmithnfb at gmail.com
>> twitter:@goldengateace
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want;
>> blindness is not what holds you back.
>> 
>>  "I don't know what your destiny will be, but one thing I know: the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who will have sought and found how to serve”
>>  - Albert Schweitzer.
>>   
>>  Your  unwanted vehicle can be  just what the blind need to make possibilities reality.    
>>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
> 


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 15:56:34 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 08:56:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Where have all the NABs-ters gone?
Message-ID: <F5DFCBEC-E144-4867-91F7-C4886CD37628@gmail.com>

 maybe you are heading off  to convention right now, maybe you are leaving tomorrow , maybe you are   chill in’ by the pool or exploring Orlando.
 Either way, if you are reading this, then I’m officially getting at you in serious go-time mode!
 we need some more help with the various activities at National Convention! yes we need you, and I mean you!
 if you
a. are going to convention
2. if you have a loud voice.
c. if you can deal cards.
d. if you love/are good with people
e. if you are running for office on the NABS board (if you’ve posted to the list your intentions then everyone knows who  you are*smile*)
f. if you are a past nabs board member
g. you are a student/scholarship winner/nabs mentoring program  participant.
 So, basically if you are breathing and receiving this message then  we are looking for you!
 no prior experience needed;we provide on-the-job training in the Federation.
 All you need to do is contact me  at dsmithnfb at gmail.com 
 and i’ll set you up.
 Also, please feel free to share with other folks  you know who will be at  convention. It seriously is a fun time and you get to meet some great folks too.
  Thanks so much and see you in Orlando!
   Darian    


Darian Smith
2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
(415) 215-9809
dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
twitter: @goldengateace

www.nabslink.org
Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
“ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” 
 - Nelson Mandela.  
> 
> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further 
> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 16:56:43 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:56:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Where have all the NABs-ters gone?
In-Reply-To: <F5DFCBEC-E144-4867-91F7-C4886CD37628@gmail.com>
References: <F5DFCBEC-E144-4867-91F7-C4886CD37628@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C1F76FE-8310-428E-8C26-00BB49631722@gmail.com>

Hey Darian,

Sign me up to martial for the NABS meeting! See you in Orlando!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 29, 2014, at 11:56 AM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> maybe you are heading off  to convention right now, maybe you are leaving tomorrow , maybe you are   chill in’ by the pool or exploring Orlando.
> Either way, if you are reading this, then I’m officially getting at you in serious go-time mode!
> we need some more help with the various activities at National Convention! yes we need you, and I mean you!
> if you
> a. are going to convention
> 2. if you have a loud voice.
> c. if you can deal cards.
> d. if you love/are good with people
> e. if you are running for office on the NABS board (if you’ve posted to the list your intentions then everyone knows who  you are*smile*)
> f. if you are a past nabs board member
> g. you are a student/scholarship winner/nabs mentoring program  participant.
> So, basically if you are breathing and receiving this message then  we are looking for you!
> no prior experience needed;we provide on-the-job training in the Federation.
> All you need to do is contact me  at dsmithnfb at gmail.com 
> and i’ll set you up.
> Also, please feel free to share with other folks  you know who will be at  convention. It seriously is a fun time and you get to meet some great folks too.
>  Thanks so much and see you in Orlando!
>   Darian    
> 
> 
> Darian Smith
> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
> (415) 215-9809
> dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
> twitter: @goldengateace
> 
> www.nabslink.org
> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
> “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” 
> - Nelson Mandela.  
>> 
>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further 
>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
> 
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 17:10:16 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 12:10:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Where have all the NABs-ters gone?
In-Reply-To: <F5DFCBEC-E144-4867-91F7-C4886CD37628@gmail.com>
References: <F5DFCBEC-E144-4867-91F7-C4886CD37628@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5A5F75F-7D70-4D23-8196-CE0192F6B2D8@gmail.com>

It's a shame I can't be there or I absolutely would  help. I love people and absolutely have a loud voice. I will make every effort to come next year though.
Alyssa

Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 29, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> maybe you are heading off  to convention right now, maybe you are leaving tomorrow , maybe you are   chill in’ by the pool or exploring Orlando.
> Either way, if you are reading this, then I’m officially getting at you in serious go-time mode!
> we need some more help with the various activities at National Convention! yes we need you, and I mean you!
> if you
> a. are going to convention
> 2. if you have a loud voice.
> c. if you can deal cards.
> d. if you love/are good with people
> e. if you are running for office on the NABS board (if you’ve posted to the list your intentions then everyone knows who  you are*smile*)
> f. if you are a past nabs board member
> g. you are a student/scholarship winner/nabs mentoring program  participant.
> So, basically if you are breathing and receiving this message then  we are looking for you!
> no prior experience needed;we provide on-the-job training in the Federation.
> All you need to do is contact me  at dsmithnfb at gmail.com 
> and i’ll set you up.
> Also, please feel free to share with other folks  you know who will be at  convention. It seriously is a fun time and you get to meet some great folks too.
>  Thanks so much and see you in Orlando!
>   Darian    
> 
> 
> Darian Smith
> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
> (415) 215-9809
> dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
> twitter: @goldengateace
> 
> www.nabslink.org
> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
> “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” 
> - Nelson Mandela.  
>> 
>> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further 
>> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
>> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 18:05:49 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 11:05:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you, NABS
Message-ID: <EEF7660C-B227-42C7-BDEE-3EC912A4C282@gmail.com>

Dear Nabs,
  I feel like I’ve started off quite a few e-mails addressed in some similar yet creative fashion to this list and the various folks who have subscribed to it.
 In 2009 I joined the National Association of Blind Students Boar of directors as a board member. to some I was a relative unknown, and really I couldn’t blame them for thinking so.
   in Truth I had come to find out about the Federation via word of mouth (isn’t it always how it starts?) I didn’t think much of it at the time until I attended the summer youth program at the Colorado Center for the blind in 2001. 
 That convention started to get me to re-think what i thought I knew about blindness, but it wasn’t until  Graduating the Independence Training Program in 2004 that I felt like I was equipped  with the tools, but more so the  confidence to take on what challenges i might have desired to  face.
 My involvement in the   Federation tapered off  once I got home. I didn’t have the support system of the Federation I enjoyed in Denver, but what i eventually found was friends who connected with me personally and   invited  me to become a part of my local chapter and student division. 
  One  particular federationest;my  affiliate first-vice president  took me under his wing in the spring of 2008 and told me that I had the ability and the opportunity to help build the movement. He saw that I was invited to the state leadership seminar in the fall, and though I was set to start my AmeriCorps  service term  he encouraged me to stay involved  as soon as I came back.  in 2009, at the national Convention I was approached by a mentor and past-board member of NABS who encouraged me to run for a board position. That year I was Honored and humbled by the membership to be  elected as a board member. From that moment, I worked collaboratively and  enthusiastically, cared deeply,    supported passionately and stayed devoted to our membership, our federation, and my fellow board members. i felt that this was the way that i could show   each person over the years that believed in me that I truly appreciated   them.
 Karen  was one of the first people to make me  feel welcome, while  Arielle was the first to ease some of my  nerves and concerns about joining a board of people I didn’t know.  She came to believe in me, and i hope I  did well in  rewarding that belief. 
 Sean and  i worked on drafting the first (and only) constitutional amendment under Arielle’s administration which had to do with the number of officers elected at one time. it was the first time I had worked on anything like that, and i am still grateful to Sean for allowing me the chance to work with him. 
 I’ve had the opportunity to work with  many wonderful folks on the board  such as Cindy Bennett, Bre Brown,Gabe Cazares, Justin Salisbury, Janice Jang, Nijat Worley, Dominic Lawless, Meghan Whalen, Briley O’conner (Pollard at the time), Cody Bair, Candice Chapmen,Isaiah Wilcox, (if I’m forgetting anyone here I’m  truly sorry).
I’ve had the  opportunity to serve as  a NABS rep at a few conventions and have met many fine folks that I  consider friends, mentors and  family in the Federation, and would not  have the same appreciation and love for what we do   without their influence.
 i’ve stuck with one region (southwest region) of state student divisions with a great  group of leaders and even still a great group of people.  These are folks  that have done great work for our movement, and I know will continue to do so no matter where they land and what they do.
 I’ve had occasion to work with Many National Leaders  in many a capacity who have been great role models, of what leadership is and what the federation is all about, and I am  appreciative to say that i enjoy good working relationships with all of them  and good personal relationships with many of them.
 Sean might say  that I’ve been the man about membership , Arielle might simply say that I’ve chaired our membership committee. That committee has been an absolute joy to work with, but what has made it so is the fantastic cast of folks who have served on it , most of them having gone on to serve on the NABS board. Antonio, Liz,Bre, Candice, Janice, Cody, Cindy, and a cast that might fill out a world cup roster are where the kudos should go to for making that committee happen.
 I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Mary Fernandez   and  the great  work she’s done with regards to the mentoring program that has typically fallen under membership . 
 Since Arielle asked me to in  2010, I have coordinated convention  volunteer recruitment. When Sean took over the presidency I continued as the volunteer “guru” for every year but last year, when Cindy took the task and  added the Bennett     seal of  excellence.
Now here I am this year, bugging you guys again.
   Normally you might get  the “vote for me”part of the e-mail, but in this case I want to thank you all for voting for me over the years.  This means so much to  me because it shows that  you believe in me. 
 I’ve reflected upon this a bit and came to realize that for every year I’ve been on the board I’ve either ran for a position or ran to keep  the  position I held.  This speaks powerfully to the confidence you have placed in me    over the years, hopefully I did something right by this membership. over that time.
  To   Everything comes a season, as new leaders come along with the willingness to step up, others  must step aside.
 
 But, i am always in forever a member of nabs in my heart  even if one day the student status isn’t a part of my identity.
 NABs has always been a place for students to connect, gain tips, tricks and insights. But it’s also a proving ground for leadership. I think I’ve done the leadership thing as well as I can, and now I think it’s time for my role within NABS to  evolve, as well as my role  in the Larger movement.
 for one thing, the formation of the community service division of the NFB is something I’ve been working hard on, and I hope that this is yet another  lace where all of you, my friends and family within NABs can find a space just for you. 
 I plan to be of assistance to NABS in whatever Capacity I might be asked  to serve, and I hope that the community service division finds a few ways to connect with NABS.
 So, thank you for giving me a place to be, a way to learn, an opportunity to give  and reasons to challenge myself. Thank you to those I’ve worked with and worked for. Thanks to you I’ve found a home in the federation, and all I can do is work to be sure that we all find the moment where we find the Federation as our home.
  So..  with that said;  let’s go to Orlando! Let’s love each other in the Federation  and live the lives we want!
 Gratefully yours in the movement,
 Darian Smith  
   
 
         


Darian Smith
2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
(415) 215-9809
dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
twitter: @goldengateace

www.nabslink.org
Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
“ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” 
 - Nelson Mandela.  
> 
> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further 
> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sun Jun 29 18:45:13 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joeph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 13:45:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about emails on Ios devices
In-Reply-To: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0N7T00FZGYRXJU30@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS24578903D3E48DD9E400266CE050@phx.gbl>

Hi, this come standard on iOS device you will see below that I have edited mom with some other information about myself. Such is my contact information and my Twitter info

Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789 at yahoo.com
Phone 254-466-1251 Skype
Joseph.Hudson 89 Twitter
At Joseph Hutson 89 Sent from my iPad

> On Jun 27, 2014, at 8:58 AM, "sami osborne via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I do not write emails using my Ipad  (I generally use my BrailleNote to write emails).
> 
> However, I've noticed that in every email that people send using their Ios devices (Ipad, Iphone or Ipod Touch) there is always a message: "Sent from my Iphone, Ipad, etc).
> 
> I'm just wondering, does this message just appear automatically on emails with Ios devices, or is that your email signature that you put in to let people know that you used an Ios device to send this email?
> 
> I'm just curious to know this.
> 
> I hope you can answer.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 29 19:55:43 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:55:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] My Thoughts on the NABS Elections
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS156BD4FB164654AC356389EBA050@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

As most of you are busy preparing for national convention, I have been
reading Darian's last minute emails in the comfort of my own apartment with
absolutely no plans to attend national convention this year. However, his
last email has inspired me to say a few words about this year's NABS
elections.

I have enjoyed reading all the posts on the email list from all the
candidates who have voiced their interest in running for a position on the
NABS board. I think it is absolutely great that there are so many new young
students who are eager to take the place of those who will be stepping away
from their position on the NABS board. However, I do echo the wise words of
Arielle in that I hope those of you who are not elected to your position of
choice will stick around and contribute to the work of NABS. I have learned
from my own experience when I was not elected to the NABS board during the
2011 elections that a person does not necessarily need a title to make
worthwhile contributions to this organization. I have also learned that a
person does not necessarily need to be a part of any particular clique in
order to make a difference within this organization. I hope everyone will
keep this in mind as NABS forges ahead into the future.

I would also like to thank all of the NABS board members who will be
stepping away from their positions within NABS for all of their hard work
and dedication they have put into making NABS such a great success. I can
imagine your job of serving on the NABS board may not have been easy with
such a critical member like me. I understand some of my words were rather
hurtful, so I wish to publically apologize to anyone who may have been
offended by my words, and ask that you can find it in your heart to forgive
me. I believe I have made things right with those I have offended in
private, but thought I would apologize publically in case there is anyone
who I may have accidently left out.

I do not wish to embarrass anyone, nor be accused of trying to vote by
proxy, so I will simply say that I will miss those of you who will be
stepping away from your current position on the NABS board. However, I wish
to thank Sean Whalen for serving as NABS President, Karen Anderson for
serving as NABS First Vice-President, Darian Smith for serving as NABS
Second Vice-President, Cindy Bennett for serving as NABS Secretary, Candice
Chapmen  for serving as NABS Treasurer, and Bre Brown, Gabe Cazares, Justin
Salisbury, and Cody Bair for serving as NABS board members. As a general
member, I deeply appreciate the personal commitments each one of you have
made to serve on the current NABS board. I look forward to working with the
new NABS board in the year to come, and wish those who will be stepping away
from the NABS board the best in their future endeavors whatever they may be.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth


From nabs.president at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 20:47:56 2014
From: nabs.president at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 15:47:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
Message-ID: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,

I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for
another term as President of NABS.

Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the
question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of
this email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide,
and announce my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate
question, and one I would certainly be asking myself were I on the
receiving end of this email.

The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best
equipped to lead NABS as we all work together to continue to
strengthen our division and Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and
Anil Lewis have all at various times told me that if one wants a
position, he or she should run. And, perhaps more importantly, one who
chooses to run had better want the position. I do, and very much so.
It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I
never stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was
contemplating stepping down primarily because I had served for three
years and understand that a key function of NABS is developing
leadership skills among young Federationists. It seemed to me that I
should perhaps step aside and make space for others to have the
opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I have been somewhat
disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign that has been
unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the candidates forum
last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you the desire
I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I want
to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous
conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past
leaders of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my
running for another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great
deal more support than even I had hoped for. I also broached the
possibility with various leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If
I want it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each
of them expressed the sentiment that they are confident that,
regardless of who is elected, they look forward to a productive and
collaborative relationship with NABS over the coming term and years.

I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one
and a half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from
some mistakes, I am very proud of the work that we have all done
together over the time since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can
say with confidence that NABS is a bigger, stronger, more active and
better funded division today than it was when Arielle Silverman
assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel good about how far we
have come, I know that there is more to do. I still have the desire
burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen the
National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for
me. So, I am running.

Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS
has made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am
proud of our many accomplishments, including:

  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership
database, now containing over 800 membership contacts.
  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in
which I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by
without an issue.
  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the
various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an
increase of 80% from the time I took office.
  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a
student leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business
meeting for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I
have seen since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to
collect stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would
mean for them. These stories were used effectively in Congressional
meetings.
  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a
session of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday
from 1 to 4, come on out))

This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course
none of this would have been possible without the work of the Board
and the active engagement of you all, the membership. But I think
these successes make it clear that, as President, I have been able to
work with a whole host of people to make things happen.

Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the
future. So, what would I like to do if elected President? First, I
will take some of the lessons I have learned and feedback I have
received and implement them:

I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office
and leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have
strong working relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to
that, I had a lengthy conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this
conversation he put this issue in a light in which I had not
considered it before. In short, he agreed that we can count on one
another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when NABS can
help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we shouldn't
only be talking to one another when we need something. That really
struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with
getting this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in
ongoing dialogue with the national office. This will build personal
relationships, which are often key to optimizing cooperation. It will
also enable the Federation to harness the energy and passion of NABS
in the most strategic way possible if we really take the time to learn
and understand which Federation objectives we can be most effective in
helping to meet.

Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the
NABS Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being
mentored by our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS
can best work to change the lives of blind people all over the country
through the Federation.

We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I
underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in
discontinuing them. We will bring them back.

I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns
about transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the
minutes of the board meeting from that month. This had been the
practice, and the failure to provide these in recent months was an
oversight. I take full responsibility for this mistake.

There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:

We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less
frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared,
well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a
call every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to
focus on identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers,
and ensuring that folks are actually on the calls to benefit from
them.

We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye
toward maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but
the program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should
consider sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states
where the help is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a
responsibility to be good stewards of the funds we raise.

Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the
work we do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I
would require committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide
notes on those meetings so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like
to see many more folks off the board become engaged with our various
committees.

We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student
divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day
of campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our
national office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind
students all over the country get out and volunteer in their
communities to show that we are contributing members. Maybe we just
coordinate actions to push for the TEACH Act or other student-oriented
legislation. The possibilities are endless, and I'd love to hear your
ideas, too.

Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:

1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction
and future of NABS.

2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the
survey.

3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to
strengthen the bonds, enhance the communication between, and
coordinate the efforts of NABS and the various states.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the
opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest
responsibility of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me
who I felt ought to be the next NABS President. Unfortunately the
individual who I had hoped to hand the torch to became unable to
assume the position. I feel a responsibility to hand the position off
to somebody who I know has had the leadership experience and mentoring
to thrive in the position. If elected, I will talk with my board,
identify those who have an interest in serving as NABS President, and
then delegate significant responsibility to those individuals so that
they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so with me there to
back them up if needed. I think this is very important and I will be
prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not the
division, when I am confident that such individual has been
identified, has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that
torch.

Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked
with me or called upon me over the last several years has found me
open to suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen
to and consider other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on
these issues, and encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and
questions. I firmly believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of
talking and relating to individuals from all walks of life, from the
young woman trying to raise a blind child on social welfare to the
Senator who holds our legislative fate in his hands. I recognize that
my way is not the only way, and sincerely value input from mentors and
members alike.

Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will
be in Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for
taking the time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to
the NABS annual meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your
vote for Sean Whalen for NABS President.

Take care,

Sean

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
@NABSLink


From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 21:13:06 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:13:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cf93de$ec474430$c4d5cc90$@com>

Dear NABS,
I know I’m not the only one who feels like this NABS election season has been excruciatingly long, this coming from someone who loves the political process and campaigns! I won’t make this message long, I simply just want to say that I have had the privilege of serving under Sean Whalen’s leadership and mentoring these past 2 years as a NABS Board Member, and personally am delighted to see him throw his name into the pool of candidates. Sean is passionate, dedicated, hardworking, personable, approachable, and an exemplary leader. I have come to him many times with suggestions, concerns, and even opposing views; and each time he’s listened to me thoroughly, responded respectfully, and when he deemed it appropriate, implemented my suggestions or ideas.
Sean Whalen is a dynamic individual, exceptional president, and a treasured friend. I can say with confidence that Sean Whalen works tirelessly to advance the mission of the Federation through NABS, and is actively seeking counsel, guidance, and support from our national leaders. I am excited to see him running again for the NABS presidency, and strongly urge you to join me in reelecting him to that position.
Respectfully yours,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Twitter: @gmcazares


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for NABS State Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,

I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for another term as President of NABS.

Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of this email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide, and announce my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate question, and one I would certainly be asking myself were I on the receiving end of this email.

The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best equipped to lead NABS as we all work together to continue to strengthen our division and Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and Anil Lewis have all at various times told me that if one wants a position, he or she should run. And, perhaps more importantly, one who chooses to run had better want the position. I do, and very much so.
It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I never stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was contemplating stepping down primarily because I had served for three years and understand that a key function of NABS is developing leadership skills among young Federationists. It seemed to me that I should perhaps step aside and make space for others to have the opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I have been somewhat disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign that has been unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the candidates forum last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you the desire I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I want to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past leaders of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my running for another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great deal more support than even I had hoped for. I also broached the possibility with various leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If I want it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each of them expressed the sentiment that they are confident that, regardless of who is elected, they look forward to a productive and collaborative relationship with NABS over the coming term and years.

I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one and a half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from some mistakes, I am very proud of the work that we have all done together over the time since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can say with confidence that NABS is a bigger, stronger, more active and better funded division today than it was when Arielle Silverman assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel good about how far we have come, I know that there is more to do. I still have the desire burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen the National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for me. So, I am running.

Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS has made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am proud of our many accomplishments, including:

Ø  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership database, now containing over 800 membership contacts.
Ø  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in which I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by without an issue.
Ø  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an increase of 80% from the time I took office.
Ø  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a student leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
Ø  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business meeting for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I have seen since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
Ø  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to collect stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would mean for them. These stories were used effectively in Congressional meetings.
Ø  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a session of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday from 1 to 4, come on out))

This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course none of this would have been possible without the work of the Board and the active engagement of you all, the membership. But I think these successes make it clear that, as President, I have been able to work with a whole host of people to make things happen.

Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the future. So, what would I like to do if elected President? First, I will take some of the lessons I have learned and feedback I have received and implement them:

I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office and leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have strong working relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to that, I had a lengthy conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this conversation he put this issue in a light in which I had not considered it before. In short, he agreed that we can count on one another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when NABS can help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we shouldn't only be talking to one another when we need something. That really struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with getting this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in ongoing dialogue with the national office. This will build personal relationships, which are often key to optimizing cooperation. It will also enable the Federation to harness the energy and passion of NABS in the most strategic way possible if we really take the time to learn and understand which Federation objectives we can be most effective in helping to meet.

Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the NABS Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being mentored by our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS can best work to change the lives of blind people all over the country through the Federation.

We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in discontinuing them. We will bring them back.

I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns about transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the minutes of the board meeting from that month. This had been the practice, and the failure to provide these in recent months was an oversight. I take full responsibility for this mistake.

There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:

We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared, well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a call every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to focus on identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers, and ensuring that folks are actually on the calls to benefit from them.

We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye toward maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but the program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should consider sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states where the help is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a responsibility to be good stewards of the funds we raise.

Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the work we do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I would require committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide notes on those meetings so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like to see many more folks off the board become engaged with our various committees.

We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day of campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our national office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind students all over the country get out and volunteer in their communities to show that we are contributing members. Maybe we just coordinate actions to push for the TEACH Act or other student-oriented legislation. The possibilities are endless, and I'd love to hear your ideas, too.

Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:

1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction and future of NABS.

2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the survey.

3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to strengthen the bonds, enhance the communication between, and coordinate the efforts of NABS and the various states.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest responsibility of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me who I felt ought to be the next NABS President. Unfortunately the individual who I had hoped to hand the torch to became unable to assume the position. I feel a responsibility to hand the position off to somebody who I know has had the leadership experience and mentoring to thrive in the position. If elected, I will talk with my board, identify those who have an interest in serving as NABS President, and then delegate significant responsibility to those individuals so that they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so with me there to back them up if needed. I think this is very important and I will be prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not the division, when I am confident that such individual has been identified, has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that torch.

Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked with me or called upon me over the last several years has found me open to suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen to and consider other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on these issues, and encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and questions. I firmly believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of talking and relating to individuals from all walks of life, from the young woman trying to raise a blind child on social welfare to the Senator who holds our legislative fate in his hands. I recognize that my way is not the only way, and sincerely value input from mentors and members alike.

Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will be in Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to the NABS annual meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your vote for Sean Whalen for NABS President.

Take care,

Sean

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
@NABSLink

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Jun 29 21:29:08 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 17:29:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
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References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<000301cf93de$ec474430$c4d5cc90$@com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS100D1AADD5EFAAE3E5F2F56BA050@phx.gbl>

Thank you Gave for writing such a great letter of support for Sean as NABS President. While I understand Sean is far from perfect, I can definitely agree with what you say in your message. I am sure there is more I could say, but my mind is drawing a blank at the moment. 

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 5:13 PM
To: 'Sean Whalen'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'; 'List for NABS State Presidents'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

Dear NABS,
I know I’m not the only one who feels like this NABS election season has been excruciatingly long, this coming from someone who loves the political process and campaigns! I won’t make this message long, I simply just want to say that I have had the privilege of serving under Sean Whalen’s leadership and mentoring these past 2 years as a NABS Board Member, and personally am delighted to see him throw his name into the pool of candidates. Sean is passionate, dedicated, hardworking, personable, approachable, and an exemplary leader. I have come to him many times with suggestions, concerns, and even opposing views; and each time he’s listened to me thoroughly, responded respectfully, and when he deemed it appropriate, implemented my suggestions or ideas.
Sean Whalen is a dynamic individual, exceptional president, and a treasured friend. I can say with confidence that Sean Whalen works tirelessly to advance the mission of the Federation through NABS, and is actively seeking counsel, guidance, and support from our national leaders. I am excited to see him running again for the NABS presidency, and strongly urge you to join me in reelecting him to that position.
Respectfully yours,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Twitter: @gmcazares


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for NABS State Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,

I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for another term as President of NABS.

Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of this email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide, and announce my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate question, and one I would certainly be asking myself were I on the receiving end of this email.

The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best equipped to lead NABS as we all work together to continue to strengthen our division and Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and Anil Lewis have all at various times told me that if one wants a position, he or she should run. And, perhaps more importantly, one who chooses to run had better want the position. I do, and very much so.
It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I never stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was contemplating stepping down primarily because I had served for three years and understand that a key function of NABS is developing leadership skills among young Federationists. It seemed to me that I should perhaps step aside and make space for others to have the opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I have been somewhat disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign that has been unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the candidates forum last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you the desire I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I want to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past leaders of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my running for another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great deal more support than even I had hoped for. I also broached the possibility with various leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If I want it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each of them expressed the sentiment that they are confident that, regardless of who is elected, they look forward to a productive and collaborative relationship with NABS over the coming term and years.

I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one and a half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from some mistakes, I am very proud of the work that we have all done together over the time since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can say with confidence that NABS is a bigger, stronger, more active and better funded division today than it was when Arielle Silverman assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel good about how far we have come, I know that there is more to do. I still have the desire burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen the National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for me. So, I am running.

Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS has made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am proud of our many accomplishments, including:

Ø  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership database, now containing over 800 membership contacts.
Ø  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in which I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by without an issue.
Ø  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an increase of 80% from the time I took office.
Ø  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a student leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
Ø  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business meeting for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I have seen since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
Ø  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to collect stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would mean for them. These stories were used effectively in Congressional meetings.
Ø  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a session of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday from 1 to 4, come on out))

This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course none of this would have been possible without the work of the Board and the active engagement of you all, the membership. But I think these successes make it clear that, as President, I have been able to work with a whole host of people to make things happen.

Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the future. So, what would I like to do if elected President? First, I will take some of the lessons I have learned and feedback I have received and implement them:

I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office and leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have strong working relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to that, I had a lengthy conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this conversation he put this issue in a light in which I had not considered it before. In short, he agreed that we can count on one another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when NABS can help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we shouldn't only be talking to one another when we need something. That really struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with getting this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in ongoing dialogue with the national office. This will build personal relationships, which are often key to optimizing cooperation. It will also enable the Federation to harness the energy and passion of NABS in the most strategic way possible if we really take the time to learn and understand which Federation objectives we can be most effective in helping to meet.

Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the NABS Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being mentored by our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS can best work to change the lives of blind people all over the country through the Federation.

We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in discontinuing them. We will bring them back.

I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns about transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the minutes of the board meeting from that month. This had been the practice, and the failure to provide these in recent months was an oversight. I take full responsibility for this mistake.

There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:

We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared, well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a call every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to focus on identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers, and ensuring that folks are actually on the calls to benefit from them.

We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye toward maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but the program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should consider sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states where the help is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a responsibility to be good stewards of the funds we raise.

Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the work we do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I would require committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide notes on those meetings so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like to see many more folks off the board become engaged with our various committees.

We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day of campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our national office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind students all over the country get out and volunteer in their communities to show that we are contributing members. Maybe we just coordinate actions to push for the TEACH Act or other student-oriented legislation. The possibilities are endless, and I'd love to hear your ideas, too.

Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:

1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction and future of NABS.

2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the survey.

3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to strengthen the bonds, enhance the communication between, and coordinate the efforts of NABS and the various states.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest responsibility of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me who I felt ought to be the next NABS President. Unfortunately the individual who I had hoped to hand the torch to became unable to assume the position. I feel a responsibility to hand the position off to somebody who I know has had the leadership experience and mentoring to thrive in the position. If elected, I will talk with my board, identify those who have an interest in serving as NABS President, and then delegate significant responsibility to those individuals so that they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so with me there to back them up if needed. I think this is very important and I will be prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not the division, when I am confident that such individual has been identified, has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that torch.

Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked with me or called upon me over the last several years has found me open to suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen to and consider other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on these issues, and encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and questions. I firmly believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of talking and relating to individuals from all walks of life, from the young woman trying to raise a blind child on social welfare to the Senator who holds our legislative fate in his hands. I recognize that my way is not the only way, and sincerely value input from mentors and members alike.

Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will be in Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to the NABS annual meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your vote for Sean Whalen for NABS President.

Take care,

Sean

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
@NABSLink

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 21:46:22 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 14:46:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you, NABS
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Hi Darian and all,

I just want to take a moment to publicly recognize Darian for his
service to NABS over the past five years. Before Darian was elected to
the NABS board in 2009 I had only met him once when he came to speak
to my local chapter about Americorps. I thought he was a nice guy, but
had no idea what to expect from him in terms of leadership ability or
productivity. I was very pleasantly surprised and impressed with
Darian's performance on the board. Darian offered to chair the
membership committee, a position I had held before I became president.
Membership chair can often be a grueling and thankless job, especially
when the membership chair organizes conference calls that are poorly
attended as many of mine were. I recall some poorly attended
membership calls early on, and we would tease Darian about sending out
"desperation emails" to the NABS list begging people to join calls
that were already in progress. However, Darian and his committee
worked tirelessly to publicize the calls and find topics that
interested the membership, and attendance increased greatly. I also
recall watching Darian capably work with my old student division in
Arizona to guide it through a leadership change in 2010. Darian was
always very dependable and I could count on him for his loyalty and
tireless dedication to the projects under his wing. As some of you
know, I am introverted, and crowded social events are not where I
shine. Darian and his fellow committee members were always more than
happy to head up these events on my behalf. Finally, Darian took the
lead, along with Mary Fernandez and others, to organize the NABS
mentoring program at convention--a project that, frankly, intimidated
me with its complexity.
I cannot comment as much on Darian's contributions to NABS after 2011,
but I think it is apparent that Darian's work has made the division
tangibly stronger than it was before. We will miss your leadership in
NABS but we wish you all the best in your other pursuits both in and
outside the Federation.

Warmly,
Arielle

On 6/29/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Nabs,
>   I feel like I’ve started off quite a few e-mails addressed in some similar
> yet creative fashion to this list and the various folks who have subscribed
> to it.
>  In 2009 I joined the National Association of Blind Students Boar of
> directors as a board member. to some I was a relative unknown, and really I
> couldn’t blame them for thinking so.
>    in Truth I had come to find out about the Federation via word of mouth
> (isn’t it always how it starts?) I didn’t think much of it at the time until
> I attended the summer youth program at the Colorado Center for the blind in
> 2001.
>  That convention started to get me to re-think what i thought I knew about
> blindness, but it wasn’t until  Graduating the Independence Training Program
> in 2004 that I felt like I was equipped  with the tools, but more so the
> confidence to take on what challenges i might have desired to  face.
>  My involvement in the   Federation tapered off  once I got home. I didn’t
> have the support system of the Federation I enjoyed in Denver, but what i
> eventually found was friends who connected with me personally and   invited
> me to become a part of my local chapter and student division.
>   One  particular federationest;my  affiliate first-vice president  took me
> under his wing in the spring of 2008 and told me that I had the ability and
> the opportunity to help build the movement. He saw that I was invited to the
> state leadership seminar in the fall, and though I was set to start my
> AmeriCorps  service term  he encouraged me to stay involved  as soon as I
> came back.  in 2009, at the national Convention I was approached by a mentor
> and past-board member of NABS who encouraged me to run for a board position.
> That year I was Honored and humbled by the membership to be  elected as a
> board member. From that moment, I worked collaboratively and
> enthusiastically, cared deeply,    supported passionately and stayed devoted
> to our membership, our federation, and my fellow board members. i felt that
> this was the way that i could show   each person over the years that
> believed in me that I truly appreciated   them.
>  Karen  was one of the first people to make me  feel welcome, while  Arielle
> was the first to ease some of my  nerves and concerns about joining a board
> of people I didn’t know.  She came to believe in me, and i hope I  did well
> in  rewarding that belief.
>  Sean and  i worked on drafting the first (and only) constitutional
> amendment under Arielle’s administration which had to do with the number of
> officers elected at one time. it was the first time I had worked on anything
> like that, and i am still grateful to Sean for allowing me the chance to
> work with him.
>  I’ve had the opportunity to work with  many wonderful folks on the board
> such as Cindy Bennett, Bre Brown,Gabe Cazares, Justin Salisbury, Janice
> Jang, Nijat Worley, Dominic Lawless, Meghan Whalen, Briley O’conner (Pollard
> at the time), Cody Bair, Candice Chapmen,Isaiah Wilcox, (if I’m forgetting
> anyone here I’m  truly sorry).
> I’ve had the  opportunity to serve as  a NABS rep at a few conventions and
> have met many fine folks that I  consider friends, mentors and  family in
> the Federation, and would not  have the same appreciation and love for what
> we do   without their influence.
>  i’ve stuck with one region (southwest region) of state student divisions
> with a great  group of leaders and even still a great group of people.
> These are folks  that have done great work for our movement, and I know will
> continue to do so no matter where they land and what they do.
>  I’ve had occasion to work with Many National Leaders  in many a capacity
> who have been great role models, of what leadership is and what the
> federation is all about, and I am  appreciative to say that i enjoy good
> working relationships with all of them  and good personal relationships with
> many of them.
>  Sean might say  that I’ve been the man about membership , Arielle might
> simply say that I’ve chaired our membership committee. That committee has
> been an absolute joy to work with, but what has made it so is the fantastic
> cast of folks who have served on it , most of them having gone on to serve
> on the NABS board. Antonio, Liz,Bre, Candice, Janice, Cody, Cindy, and a
> cast that might fill out a world cup roster are where the kudos should go to
> for making that committee happen.
>  I would be remiss if I didn’t mention Mary Fernandez   and  the great  work
> she’s done with regards to the mentoring program that has typically fallen
> under membership .
>  Since Arielle asked me to in  2010, I have coordinated convention
> volunteer recruitment. When Sean took over the presidency I continued as the
> volunteer “guru” for every year but last year, when Cindy took the task and
> added the Bennett     seal of  excellence.
> Now here I am this year, bugging you guys again.
>    Normally you might get  the “vote for me”part of the e-mail, but in this
> case I want to thank you all for voting for me over the years.  This means
> so much to  me because it shows that  you believe in me.
>  I’ve reflected upon this a bit and came to realize that for every year I’ve
> been on the board I’ve either ran for a position or ran to keep  the
> position I held.  This speaks powerfully to the confidence you have placed
> in me    over the years, hopefully I did something right by this membership.
> over that time.
>   To   Everything comes a season, as new leaders come along with the
> willingness to step up, others  must step aside.
>
>  But, i am always in forever a member of nabs in my heart  even if one day
> the student status isn’t a part of my identity.
>  NABs has always been a place for students to connect, gain tips, tricks and
> insights. But it’s also a proving ground for leadership. I think I’ve done
> the leadership thing as well as I can, and now I think it’s time for my role
> within NABS to  evolve, as well as my role  in the Larger movement.
>  for one thing, the formation of the community service division of the NFB
> is something I’ve been working hard on, and I hope that this is yet another
> lace where all of you, my friends and family within NABs can find a space
> just for you.
>  I plan to be of assistance to NABS in whatever Capacity I might be asked
> to serve, and I hope that the community service division finds a few ways to
> connect with NABS.
>  So, thank you for giving me a place to be, a way to learn, an opportunity
> to give  and reasons to challenge myself. Thank you to those I’ve worked
> with and worked for. Thanks to you I’ve found a home in the federation, and
> all I can do is work to be sure that we all find the moment where we find
> the Federation as our home.
>   So..  with that said;  let’s go to Orlando! Let’s love each other in the
> Federation  and live the lives we want!
>  Gratefully yours in the movement,
>  Darian Smith
>
>
>
>
>
> Darian Smith
> 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
> (415) 215-9809
> dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
> twitter: @goldengateace
>
> www.nabslink.org
> Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
> “ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination”
>  - Nelson Mandela.
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 22:25:39 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 18:25:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary
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Welcome,  God tohave you in the group. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Rebecca Leon via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 12:53 PM
To: Josh Harper; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Rebecca Leon for Secretary

Thanks to each of you for the friendly welcome!
Josh, I will definitely contact you with further questions about working within TABS.
I did neglect to include in my prior email that I will be working with the president of the Tennessee affiliate to open a chapter within Jackson Tennessee where I currently attend school. I would love to do this in connection with Nabbs if at all possible.
Rebecca –

> On 27/06/2014, at 19:10, Josh Harper via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Rebecca  my name is Joshua Harper and I am the president of the 
> Tennessee Association of Blind Students. Welcome to the NABS list. 
> Have you joined TABS? We also have a mailing list on nfbnet. If you 
> have any questions you can reach me at 615-482-7946.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Joshua Harper
> TABS President
> 
> On Friday, June 27, 2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Hi Rebecca welcome to the Nabs mailing list.  My name is Roanna 
>> Bacchus and I live in Orlando, Florida.  Iw be listening to each of 
>> the convention sessions via the live stream.  I hope you are elected 
>> as the next Nabs secretary.
>> 
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From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Sun Jun 29 22:38:25 2014
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:38:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Sean_Whalen_for_NABS_President?=
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Hello Nabs,

I have had the pleasure of serving under Sean Whalen for the past year as a board member of NABS and am also thrilled that Sean is seeking reelection to the presidency. Throughout my time on the board I have noticed that Sean demonstrates exceptional communication skills, an outstanding work ethic, and is passionate about the work of NABS. In adition to possessing these qualities, Sean is very approachable and always open to listening to others ideas and implementing said ideas when appropriate. As a result of his constant silisitation of feedback, it is evident that Sean is commited to improving and strengthening NABS which he has certainly done in his past term as president and will continue to do. Lastly, Sean is a committed Federationist who works tirelessly to carry out the mission of the Federation of which a couple of the numerous examples include organizing a drive to collect stories from various students about how their education has been hindered by inaccessible technology in order to assist in the effort to pass the teach act, and organizing a leadership seminar in Baltimore where leaders of state student devisions had the opportunity to receive the mentoring of Dr. Maurer, Anil Lewis and himself.

I would very much appreciate your support for a mentor, outstanding leader, and friend, Sean Whalen in his quest to be reelected as NABS president on Wednesday evening.

Best Reguards,

Cody Bair

Board Member

National Association of Blind Students

(970)673-6998

codyjbair at yahoo.com

  



From: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎June‎ ‎29‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎13‎ ‎PM
To: Arielle Silverman, National Association of Blind Students mailing list, 'List for NABS State Presidents'





Dear NABS,
I know I’m not the only one who feels like this NABS election season has been excruciatingly long, this coming from someone who loves the political process and campaigns! I won’t make this message long, I simply just want to say that I have had the privilege of serving under Sean Whalen’s leadership and mentoring these past 2 years as a NABS Board Member, and personally am delighted to see him throw his name into the pool of candidates. Sean is passionate, dedicated, hardworking, personable, approachable, and an exemplary leader. I have come to him many times with suggestions, concerns, and even opposing views; and each time he’s listened to me thoroughly, responded respectfully, and when he deemed it appropriate, implemented my suggestions or ideas.
Sean Whalen is a dynamic individual, exceptional president, and a treasured friend. I can say with confidence that Sean Whalen works tirelessly to advance the mission of the Federation through NABS, and is actively seeking counsel, guidance, and support from our national leaders. I am excited to see him running again for the NABS presidency, and strongly urge you to join me in reelecting him to that position.
Respectfully yours,

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Twitter: @gmcazares


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for NABS State Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,

I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for another term as President of NABS.

Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of this email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide, and announce my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate question, and one I would certainly be asking myself were I on the receiving end of this email.

The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best equipped to lead NABS as we all work together to continue to strengthen our division and Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and Anil Lewis have all at various times told me that if one wants a position, he or she should run. And, perhaps more importantly, one who chooses to run had better want the position. I do, and very much so.
It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I never stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was contemplating stepping down primarily because I had served for three years and understand that a key function of NABS is developing leadership skills among young Federationists. It seemed to me that I should perhaps step aside and make space for others to have the opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I have been somewhat disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign that has been unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the candidates forum last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you the desire I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I want to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past leaders of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my running for another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great deal more support than even I had hoped for. I also broached the possibility with various leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If I want it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each of them expressed the sentiment that they are confident that, regardless of who is elected, they look forward to a productive and collaborative relationship with NABS over the coming term and years.

I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one and a half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from some mistakes, I am very proud of the work that we have all done together over the time since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can say with confidence that NABS is a bigger, stronger, more active and better funded division today than it was when Arielle Silverman assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel good about how far we have come, I know that there is more to do. I still have the desire burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen the National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for me. So, I am running.

Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS has made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am proud of our many accomplishments, including:

Ø  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership database, now containing over 800 membership contacts.
Ø  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in which I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by without an issue.
Ø  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an increase of 80% from the time I took office.
Ø  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a student leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
Ø  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business meeting for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I have seen since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
Ø  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to collect stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would mean for them. These stories were used effectively in Congressional meetings.
Ø  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a session of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday from 1 to 4, come on out))

This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course none of this would have been possible without the work of the Board and the active engagement of you all, the membership. But I think these successes make it clear that, as President, I have been able to work with a whole host of people to make things happen.

Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the future. So, what would I like to do if elected President? First, I will take some of the lessons I have learned and feedback I have received and implement them:

I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office and leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have strong working relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to that, I had a lengthy conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this conversation he put this issue in a light in which I had not considered it before. In short, he agreed that we can count on one another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when NABS can help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we shouldn't only be talking to one another when we need something. That really struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with getting this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in ongoing dialogue with the national office. This will build personal relationships, which are often key to optimizing cooperation. It will also enable the Federation to harness the energy and passion of NABS in the most strategic way possible if we really take the time to learn and understand which Federation objectives we can be most effective in helping to meet.

Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the NABS Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being mentored by our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS can best work to change the lives of blind people all over the country through the Federation.

We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in discontinuing them. We will bring them back.

I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns about transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the minutes of the board meeting from that month. This had been the practice, and the failure to provide these in recent months was an oversight. I take full responsibility for this mistake.

There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:

We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared, well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a call every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to focus on identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers, and ensuring that folks are actually on the calls to benefit from them.

We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye toward maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but the program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should consider sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states where the help is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a responsibility to be good stewards of the funds we raise.

Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the work we do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I would require committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide notes on those meetings so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like to see many more folks off the board become engaged with our various committees.

We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day of campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our national office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind students all over the country get out and volunteer in their communities to show that we are contributing members. Maybe we just coordinate actions to push for the TEACH Act or other student-oriented legislation. The possibilities are endless, and I'd love to hear your ideas, too.

Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:

1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction and future of NABS.

2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the survey.

3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to strengthen the bonds, enhance the communication between, and coordinate the efforts of NABS and the various states.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest responsibility of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me who I felt ought to be the next NABS President. Unfortunately the individual who I had hoped to hand the torch to became unable to assume the position. I feel a responsibility to hand the position off to somebody who I know has had the leadership experience and mentoring to thrive in the position. If elected, I will talk with my board, identify those who have an interest in serving as NABS President, and then delegate significant responsibility to those individuals so that they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so with me there to back them up if needed. I think this is very important and I will be prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not the division, when I am confident that such individual has been identified, has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that torch.

Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked with me or called upon me over the last several years has found me open to suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen to and consider other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on these issues, and encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and questions. I firmly believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of talking and relating to individuals from all walks of life, from the young woman trying to raise a blind child on social welfare to the Senator who holds our legislative fate in his hands. I recognize that my way is not the only way, and sincerely value input from mentors and members alike.

Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will be in Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to the NABS annual meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your vote for Sean Whalen for NABS President.

Take care,

Sean

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
@NABSLink

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Jun 29 23:53:26 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 16:53:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
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Hi all,

I was debating whether or not to jump in here because I've been out of
NABS leadership for a while and because though I could say a ton of
great things about Sean's contributions when he was on the board with
me, that is old news by now. I think the comments from Gabe and Cody
speak for themselves. But, I will add that Sean has discussed this
decision with me at some length and it is clear to me that he is not
just running again because he likes the title or the glory of being
president. He is clearly doing it because he cares deeply about the
future of NABS and wants to ensure that he has the chance to do all he
can to keep NABS on a path of growth.
One of my NFB mentors once told me that giving up leadership of a
student division, in some ways, resembles the anguish of giving up a
baby. While the two things are on different levels, some of the
feelings still overlap. I stepped off the NABS stage in 2011 because I
was 100% confident that Sean and his board would do as well or better
than I did. I think that Sean will step away only when he has reached
that level of confidence that his baby is in good hands.

Respectfully,
Arielle

On 6/29/14, Cody Bair via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Nabs,
>
> I have had the pleasure of serving under Sean Whalen for the past year as a
> board member of NABS and am also thrilled that Sean is seeking reelection to
> the presidency. Throughout my time on the board I have noticed that Sean
> demonstrates exceptional communication skills, an outstanding work ethic,
> and is passionate about the work of NABS. In adition to possessing these
> qualities, Sean is very approachable and always open to listening to others
> ideas and implementing said ideas when appropriate. As a result of his
> constant silisitation of feedback, it is evident that Sean is commited to
> improving and strengthening NABS which he has certainly done in his past
> term as president and will continue to do. Lastly, Sean is a committed
> Federationist who works tirelessly to carry out the mission of the
> Federation of which a couple of the numerous examples include organizing a
> drive to collect stories from various students about how their education has
> been hindered by inaccessible technology in order to assist in the effort to
> pass the teach act, and organizing a leadership seminar in Baltimore where
> leaders of state student devisions had the opportunity to receive the
> mentoring of Dr. Maurer, Anil Lewis and himself.
>
> I would very much appreciate your support for a mentor, outstanding leader,
> and friend, Sean Whalen in his quest to be reelected as NABS president on
> Wednesday evening.
>
> Best Reguards,
>
> Cody Bair
>
> Board Member
>
> National Association of Blind Students
>
> (970)673-6998
>
> codyjbair at yahoo.com
>
>
>
>
>
> From: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Sent: ‎Sunday‎, ‎June‎ ‎29‎, ‎2014 ‎3‎:‎13‎ ‎PM
> To: Arielle Silverman, National Association of Blind Students mailing list,
> 'List for NABS State Presidents'
>
>
>
>
>
> Dear NABS,
> I know I’m not the only one who feels like this NABS election season has
> been excruciatingly long, this coming from someone who loves the political
> process and campaigns! I won’t make this message long, I simply just want to
> say that I have had the privilege of serving under Sean Whalen’s leadership
> and mentoring these past 2 years as a NABS Board Member, and personally am
> delighted to see him throw his name into the pool of candidates. Sean is
> passionate, dedicated, hardworking, personable, approachable, and an
> exemplary leader. I have come to him many times with suggestions, concerns,
> and even opposing views; and each time he’s listened to me thoroughly,
> responded respectfully, and when he deemed it appropriate, implemented my
> suggestions or ideas.
> Sean Whalen is a dynamic individual, exceptional president, and a treasured
> friend. I can say with confidence that Sean Whalen works tirelessly to
> advance the mission of the Federation through NABS, and is actively seeking
> counsel, guidance, and support from our national leaders. I am excited to
> see him running again for the NABS presidency, and strongly urge you to join
> me in reelecting him to that position.
> Respectfully yours,
>
> ...Gabe
>
> Gabe Cazares, President
> Texas Association of Blind Students
> A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> Twitter: @gmcazares
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 3:48 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for NABS State
> Presidents
> Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
>
> Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,
>
> I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for
> another term as President of NABS.
>
> Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the
> question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of this
> email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide, and announce
> my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate question, and one I would
> certainly be asking myself were I on the receiving end of this email.
>
> The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best equipped to
> lead NABS as we all work together to continue to strengthen our division and
> Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and Anil Lewis have all at various
> times told me that if one wants a position, he or she should run. And,
> perhaps more importantly, one who chooses to run had better want the
> position. I do, and very much so.
> It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I never
> stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was contemplating
> stepping down primarily because I had served for three years and understand
> that a key function of NABS is developing leadership skills among young
> Federationists. It seemed to me that I should perhaps step aside and make
> space for others to have the opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I
> have been somewhat disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign
> that has been unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the
> candidates forum last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you
> the desire I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I
> want to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous
> conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past leaders
> of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my running for
> another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great deal more support
> than even I had hoped for. I also broached the possibility with various
> leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
> Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If I want
> it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each of them
> expressed the sentiment that they are confident that, regardless of who is
> elected, they look forward to a productive and collaborative relationship
> with NABS over the coming term and years.
>
> I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one and a
> half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from some mistakes,
> I am very proud of the work that we have all done together over the time
> since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can say with confidence that NABS
> is a bigger, stronger, more active and better funded division today than it
> was when Arielle Silverman assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel
> good about how far we have come, I know that there is more to do. I still
> have the desire burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen
> the National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for
> me. So, I am running.
>
> Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS has
> made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am proud of
> our many accomplishments, including:
>
> Ø  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership database, now
> containing over 800 membership contacts.
> Ø  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in which
> I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by without an
> issue.
> Ø  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the
> various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an increase
> of 80% from the time I took office.
> Ø  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a student
> leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
> Ø  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business meeting
> for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I have seen
> since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
> Ø  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to collect
> stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would mean for them.
> These stories were used effectively in Congressional meetings.
> Ø  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a session
> of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday from 1 to 4,
> come on out))
>
> This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course none of
> this would have been possible without the work of the Board and the active
> engagement of you all, the membership. But I think these successes make it
> clear that, as President, I have been able to work with a whole host of
> people to make things happen.
>
> Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the future. So,
> what would I like to do if elected President? First, I will take some of the
> lessons I have learned and feedback I have received and implement them:
>
> I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office and
> leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have strong working
> relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to that, I had a lengthy
> conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this conversation he put this issue in a
> light in which I had not considered it before. In short, he agreed that we
> can count on one another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when
> NABS can help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we
> shouldn't only be talking to one another when we need something. That really
> struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with getting
> this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in ongoing dialogue
> with the national office. This will build personal relationships, which are
> often key to optimizing cooperation. It will also enable the Federation to
> harness the energy and passion of NABS in the most strategic way possible if
> we really take the time to learn and understand which Federation objectives
> we can be most effective in helping to meet.
>
> Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the NABS
> Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being mentored by
> our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS can best work to
> change the lives of blind people all over the country through the
> Federation.
>
> We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I
> underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in
> discontinuing them. We will bring them back.
>
> I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns about
> transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the minutes of the
> board meeting from that month. This had been the practice, and the failure
> to provide these in recent months was an oversight. I take full
> responsibility for this mistake.
>
> There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:
>
> We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less
> frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared,
> well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a call
> every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to focus on
> identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers, and ensuring that
> folks are actually on the calls to benefit from them.
>
> We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye toward
> maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
> Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but the
> program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should consider
> sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states where the help
> is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
> Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a responsibility to
> be good stewards of the funds we raise.
>
> Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the work we
> do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I would require
> committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide notes on those meetings
> so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like to see many more folks off
> the board become engaged with our various committees.
>
> We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student
> divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day of
> campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our national
> office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind students all
> over the country get out and volunteer in their communities to show that we
> are contributing members. Maybe we just coordinate actions to push for the
> TEACH Act or other student-oriented legislation. The possibilities are
> endless, and I'd love to hear your ideas, too.
>
> Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:
>
> 1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
> to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction and
> future of NABS.
>
> 2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
> membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the survey.
>
> 3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
> of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to strengthen the
> bonds, enhance the communication between, and coordinate the efforts of NABS
> and the various states.
>
> Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the
> opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
> Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest responsibility
> of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me who I felt ought to be
> the next NABS President. Unfortunately the individual who I had hoped to
> hand the torch to became unable to assume the position. I feel a
> responsibility to hand the position off to somebody who I know has had the
> leadership experience and mentoring to thrive in the position. If elected, I
> will talk with my board, identify those who have an interest in serving as
> NABS President, and then delegate significant responsibility to those
> individuals so that they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so
> with me there to back them up if needed. I think this is very important and
> I will be prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not
> the division, when I am confident that such individual has been identified,
> has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that torch.
>
> Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked with
> me or called upon me over the last several years has found me open to
> suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen to and consider
> other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on these issues, and
> encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and questions. I firmly
> believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of talking and relating to
> individuals from all walks of life, from the young woman trying to raise a
> blind child on social welfare to the Senator who holds our legislative fate
> in his hands. I recognize that my way is not the only way, and sincerely
> value input from mentors and members alike.
>
> Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will be in
> Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for taking the
> time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to the NABS annual
> meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your vote for Sean Whalen
> for NABS President.
>
> Take care,
>
> Sean
>
> Sean Whalen
> President, National Association of Blind Students
> (608) 332-4147
> Nabs.president at gmail.com
> www.nabslink.org
> @NABSLink
>
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 00:33:44 2014
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 19:33:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: preregistration for the business meeting
Message-ID: <CACXqA0rL4v6svmCQQjmiBBZJNnurLhP_Hg1RrWVwxNSy4HY9Yw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

I just wanted to remind everyone that if you are coming to the NABS
business meeting at national convention to be sure to preregister. You
can preregister at
http://nabslink.org/events/2014-annual-meeting
By preregistering, you will be able to get through the line much quicker.

Those who are in the room by 7:00 pm will have a chance to win $100.
We will be doing this drawing at the beginning of the meeting.

Preregister, come early, and have a great time at the NABS meeting.

Also, don't forget to tweet us using #NABS14.

See you all there.

Bre Brown


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 30 01:00:56 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:00:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS180CD82562EB9EBB26DE3C8BA040@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

Again, I would like to echo what current board members have to say about Sean's bid for NABS President. However, now that I have had some time to collect my thoughts, I would like to say a few things as someone who is not a NABS board member. 

I have not always seen eye to eye with Sean, and we have definitely had some heated debates over the past few years. However, he has always treated me with respect, and the only thing that has ever really truly pissed me off was how his logic always seems to trump my emotions. But when I have presented him with rational explanations, I feel as though he has always taken the time to listen to me and to understand my point of view. In some cases, he was willing to change his point of view once I took the time to explain things to him from a rational point of view.

However, I also know Sean to be dedicated to the work of NABS as well. When I passed down the leadership of our state student division to someone else, I felt as though I could not provide this person the support this person needed to be a successful leader. So at the last minute, I tried to make a request for a NABS rep to attend our state convention. I honestly thought it was too late to be making such a request, but rather than turn me down, Sean did everything he could to make my NABS rep request a reality. As it turned out, the last minute travel arrangements were too expensive to make this happen, but I was truly impressed that Sean did what he could to make this happen despite any personal differences we may have had at the time.

Now I understand Sean may not be the perfect NABS President, and there are definitely things I would like to see him improve upon if he is elected for another term as NABS President. However, I also know he is truly dedicated to this organization, has a passion to serve this organization, and believes he can make a difference serving this organization as NABS President. This by no means is a proxy vote, but I support Sean Whalen for NABS President, and I hope you will support him when casting your vote during the NABS elections.

Best of luck,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sean Whalen via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 4:48 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; List for NABS State Presidents
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

Dear NABSters and fellow Federationists,

I am writing to you this afternoon to declare my intention to run for another term as President of NABS.

Before outlining my qualifications and plans, let me first answer the question that many of you are likely asking yourself upon receipt of this email. Namely, why did I wait until this late moment to decide, and announce my intention, to run. It is a perfectly legitimate question, and one I would certainly be asking myself were I on the receiving end of this email.

The short answer is that I want the job and think that I am best equipped to lead NABS as we all work together to continue to strengthen our division and Federation. Dr. Maurer, Mark Riccobono and Anil Lewis have all at various times told me that if one wants a position, he or she should run. And, perhaps more importantly, one who chooses to run had better want the position. I do, and very much so.
It did not just dawn on me this morning that I still wanted the job. I never stopped having the desire to serve in this position. I was contemplating stepping down primarily because I had served for three years and understand that a key function of NABS is developing leadership skills among young Federationists. It seemed to me that I should perhaps step aside and make space for others to have the opportunity to serve and learn as I have. But I have been somewhat disappointed with the tone of the Presidential campaign that has been unfolding on this list and elsewhere. I attended the candidates forum last week, and as I sat listening I cannot describe to you the desire I had to be part of that discussion. After realizing how badly I want to continue to serve as President of NABS I engaged in numerous conversations with NABS members, my fellow board members, and past leaders of NABS to gauge the level of support that existed for my running for another term. I was pleasantly surprised to find a great deal more support than even I had hoped for. I also broached the possibility with various leaders at our national center in Baltimore.
Each of them gave me the same basic advice that I mentioned above. If I want it, I should run, and if I run, I should really want it. Each of them expressed the sentiment that they are confident that, regardless of who is elected, they look forward to a productive and collaborative relationship with NABS over the coming term and years.

I have enjoyed immensely serving as NABS President for the past one and a half terms. And, while I certainly have made and learned from some mistakes, I am very proud of the work that we have all done together over the time since I was elected to the NABS Board. I can say with confidence that NABS is a bigger, stronger, more active and better funded division today than it was when Arielle Silverman assumed the Presidency in 2009. And while I feel good about how far we have come, I know that there is more to do. I still have the desire burning inside me to continue to improve NABS and strengthen the National Federation of the Blind. I do want it. NABS is a priority for me. So, I am running.

Over the past several years in which I have served as President NABS has made great strides. And while there is of course more to do, I am proud of our many accomplishments, including:

  NABS has for the first time instituted a dynamic membership database, now containing over 800 membership contacts.
  NABS has put out 17 issues of the Student Slate over the 5 years in which I have served on the Board, when in the past years would go by without an issue.
  NABS has consistently increased our financial contributions to the various funds of the NFB, contributing $1800 last year. That is an increase of 80% from the time I took office.
  NABS worked closely with our national headquarters to put on a student leadership seminar, the first of its kind in 5 years.
  NABS has enjoyed attendance of over 200 at our annual business meeting for the last two years, the largest attendance numbers that I have seen since becoming aware of NABS in 2005.
  NABS worked hand and glove with our legislative affairs team to collect stories from blind students about what the TEACH Act would mean for them. These stories were used effectively in Congressional meetings.
  NABS continues to partner with the Parents' Division, running a session of the youth track for NOPBC this year in Orlando (Thursday from 1 to 4, come on out))

This is just some of what we have accomplished together. Of course none of this would have been possible without the work of the Board and the active engagement of you all, the membership. But I think these successes make it clear that, as President, I have been able to work with a whole host of people to make things happen.

Of course, elections are not about the past, they are about the future. So, what would I like to do if elected President? First, I will take some of the lessons I have learned and feedback I have received and implement them:

I will work to continue to strengthen bonds with our national office and leadership. In an earlier message, I noted that we and I have strong working relationships with our national leaders. Subsequent to that, I had a lengthy conversation with Mr. Riccobono. In this conversation he put this issue in a light in which I had not considered it before. In short, he agreed that we can count on one another when NABS needs counsel from the leadership or when NABS can help work on a Federation project. But he said to me that we shouldn't only be talking to one another when we need something. That really struck me and I think it is absolutely correct. I credit Justin with getting this before I did. But I do get it. My board will engage in ongoing dialogue with the national office. This will build personal relationships, which are often key to optimizing cooperation. It will also enable the Federation to harness the energy and passion of NABS in the most strategic way possible if we really take the time to learn and understand which Federation objectives we can be most effective in helping to meet.

Toward this goal, I would endeavor to set up an opportunity for the NABS Board to spend a weekend in Baltimore getting to know and being mentored by our national leaders, while strategizing about how NABS can best work to change the lives of blind people all over the country through the Federation.

We will reinstate periodic calls for state presidents. I believe I underestimated how useful some folks found these and made a mistake in discontinuing them. We will bring them back.

I will ensure, particularly in light of some of the expressed concerns about transparency, that NABS Notes monthly updates contain the minutes of the board meeting from that month. This had been the practice, and the failure to provide these in recent months was an oversight. I take full responsibility for this mistake.

There are other changes I would like to make. Here are a few of them:

We should do membership calls on a set schedule, and possibly less frequently. I think it is more important to have a well-prepared, well-publicized, and well-attended call than it is to simply have a call every month. Scaling back the number of calls will enable us to focus on identifying relevant topics, recruiting engaging speakers, and ensuring that folks are actually on the calls to benefit from them.

We should reconsider the function of our NABS rep program with an eye toward maximizing the impact of every dollar we raise and spend.
Currently we send a rep to anybody who asks for one. This is nice, but the program accounts for over 80% of our annual budget. We should consider sending reps on a targeted basis to the divisions and states where the help is both needed and likely to produce a positive result.
Our members work hard to raise this money, and we have a responsibility to be good stewards of the funds we raise.

Rather than simply delegating responsibility to committees for the work we do, I will institute a stronger accountability framework. I would require committees to meet on a set schedule and to provide notes on those meetings so that progress can be tracked. I'd also like to see many more folks off the board become engaged with our various committees.

We should explore opportunities for NABS and the various state student divisions to work in a more coordinated fashion. Maybe we have a day of campus activism on an issue and put out a press release through our national office. Perhaps we have a designated day when groups of blind students all over the country get out and volunteer in their communities to show that we are contributing members. Maybe we just coordinate actions to push for the TEACH Act or other student-oriented legislation. The possibilities are endless, and I'd love to hear your ideas, too.

Additionally, I make these three concrete pledges to you:

1.      Within three weeks of my election NABS will put out a survey
to the membership to solicit feedback and suggestions on the direction and future of NABS.

2.      Within 6 weeks of my election NABS will hold an open forum
membership call where we discuss the responses gathered from the survey.

3.      Within 3 months of my election, I will call the student leader
of each state to have a one on one conversation about how to strengthen the bonds, enhance the communication between, and coordinate the efforts of NABS and the various states.

Finally, and perhaps most importantly, if elected, I will use the opportunity to make a smooth transition to a new NABS President.
Identifying and mentoring a successor is perhaps the greatest responsibility of a leader. There was a time when it was clear to me who I felt ought to be the next NABS President. Unfortunately the individual who I had hoped to hand the torch to became unable to assume the position. I feel a responsibility to hand the position off to somebody who I know has had the leadership experience and mentoring to thrive in the position. If elected, I will talk with my board, identify those who have an interest in serving as NABS President, and then delegate significant responsibility to those individuals so that they can prove themselves, learn and grow, but do so with me there to back them up if needed. I think this is very important and I will be prepared to step away from the Presidency, though certainly not the division, when I am confident that such individual has been identified, has been properly mentored, and is prepared to carry that torch.

Of course, these are only my ideas. I hope that anybody who has worked with me or called upon me over the last several years has found me open to suggestions and criticism, respectful, and willing to listen to and consider other points of view. I value engaging in dialogue on these issues, and encourage anybody to contact me with thoughts and questions. I firmly believe that I have demonstrated myself capable of talking and relating to individuals from all walks of life, from the young woman trying to raise a blind child on social welfare to the Senator who holds our legislative fate in his hands. I recognize that my way is not the only way, and sincerely value input from mentors and members alike.

Please feel free to be in touch with any questions or concerns. I will be in Orlando and pleased to speak with you. Thank you very much for taking the time to read this lengthy message. And please come out to the NABS annual meeting on Wednesday, July 2, at 6:00pm and cast your vote for Sean Whalen for NABS President.

Take care,

Sean

Sean Whalen
President, National Association of Blind Students
(608) 332-4147
Nabs.president at gmail.com
www.nabslink.org
@NABSLink

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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 01:27:58 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 20:27:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Update-- Candice Chapman for NABS President
Message-ID: <92399D0B-B712-4F9F-B120-598DF84E1928@gmail.com>

Dear NABS,

I am writing to inform you all that I will be withdrawing from the race for NABS President. This is not a decision that I have arrived at easily, but one that I feel is necessary. I take my role as a leader very seriously. I believe that one of the top priorities of a leader should be considering how decisions will affect the people that they are leading. It is for this reason that I have arrived at this decision. I do not believe that it is in the best interest of NABS to have three of the members of its board of directors running for the same position.
This message in no way signals an end to my activity in NABS.I will continue to serve in the capacity of NABS treasurer. I’ve been fortunate this year to have your support in this position. I humbly ask that you continue to offer that support in the coming year. I strongly believe that you don’t have to hold a certain position in an organization to affect change.
I offer my most sincere gratitude to those of you who offered support to me in my bid for president. I appreciate the honesty, advice, encouragement and even criticism that you all offered. I believe that something can be learned from every experience, and this one is no different.
I urge you to get to know the remaining candidates for NABSPresident. I’ve had the opportunity to work with them both and think that exploration of both gentlemen is worth sending them an email or giving them a call.
Thanks for reading.
 
Yours truly,
 
Candice Chapman

Sent from my iPhone

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Jun 30 01:37:50 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:37:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <COL402-EAS180CD82562EB9EBB26DE3C8BA040@phx.gbl>
References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL402-EAS180CD82562EB9EBB26DE3C8BA040@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <53B0BF6E.1010204@tysdomain.com>

All:

I have had only one encounter with Sean; it was after my time on the 
ACBS board. I had a question, which was what NFB's philosophy was. While 
I received numerous responses, many angry responses for daring to join 
ACBS, the response that really caught me off was Sean's; it was well 
thought out and actually made me think a lot about my own philosophy and 
attitude. I believe that says a lot about an individual. I, as many 
others have already done so can not attest to Sean's leadership 
capabilities, but I can say that I really appreciated that message, 
among many others, both good and bad I received in response to my simple 
question. It is responses like that that really make a lasting 
impression and perhaps keep people interested; I know I've stuck around, 
even if I haven't really jumped in and done anything with NABS directly.
On 6/29/2014 9:00 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:

I think there's also something to be said for the honesty in Sean's 
origenal announcement and the single email it took to get that 
announcement across. Above all else, I believe running honestly and 
really wanting to make an impact is crucial to one's position on any board.

-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Jun 30 01:42:25 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:42:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <53B0BF6E.1010204@tysdomain.com>
References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>	<COL402-EAS180CD82562EB9EBB26DE3C8BA040@phx.gbl>
	<53B0BF6E.1010204@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <53B0C081.6090809@tysdomain.com>

PS: sorry for the weird attribution to elizabeth, not really sure why 
half of my message ended up down there.

On 6/29/2014 9:37 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> All:
>
> I have had only one encounter with Sean; it was after my time on the 
> ACBS board. I had a question, which was what NFB's philosophy was. 
> While I received numerous responses, many angry responses for daring 
> to join ACBS, the response that really caught me off was Sean's; it 
> was well thought out and actually made me think a lot about my own 
> philosophy and attitude. I believe that says a lot about an 
> individual. I, as many others have already done so can not attest to 
> Sean's leadership capabilities, but I can say that I really 
> appreciated that message, among many others, both good and bad I 
> received in response to my simple question. It is responses like that 
> that really make a lasting impression and perhaps keep people 
> interested; I know I've stuck around, even if I haven't really jumped 
> in and done anything with NABS directly.
> On 6/29/2014 9:00 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>
> I think there's also something to be said for the honesty in Sean's 
> origenal announcement and the single email it took to get that 
> announcement across. Above all else, I believe running honestly and 
> really wanting to make an impact is crucial to one's position on any 
> board.
>


-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Jun 30 01:50:24 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 21:50:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President
In-Reply-To: <53B0C081.6090809@tysdomain.com>
References: <CAN_54GYwp8NtqBCbeNyY5aaeJVNZ4m7qidM6QYm_PFBRBZWQ0g@mail.gmail.com>	<COL402-EAS180CD82562EB9EBB26DE3C8BA040@phx.gbl>	<53B0BF6E.1010204@tysdomain.com>
	<53B0C081.6090809@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <COL402-EAS8922542100F250B48F7BABA040@phx.gbl>

Hi Tyler,

It's okay. Sometimes technology is weird like that I guess. I take no
personal offence to it though. So no worries, it's all good.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Littlefield,
Tyler via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 29, 2014 9:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Sean Whalen for NABS President

PS: sorry for the weird attribution to elizabeth, not really sure why half
of my message ended up down there.

On 6/29/2014 9:37 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> All:
>
> I have had only one encounter with Sean; it was after my time on the 
> ACBS board. I had a question, which was what NFB's philosophy was.
> While I received numerous responses, many angry responses for daring 
> to join ACBS, the response that really caught me off was Sean's; it 
> was well thought out and actually made me think a lot about my own 
> philosophy and attitude. I believe that says a lot about an 
> individual. I, as many others have already done so can not attest to 
> Sean's leadership capabilities, but I can say that I really 
> appreciated that message, among many others, both good and bad I 
> received in response to my simple question. It is responses like that 
> that really make a lasting impression and perhaps keep people 
> interested; I know I've stuck around, even if I haven't really jumped 
> in and done anything with NABS directly.
> On 6/29/2014 9:00 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l wrote:
>
> I think there's also something to be said for the honesty in Sean's 
> origenal announcement and the single email it took to get that 
> announcement across. Above all else, I believe running honestly and 
> really wanting to make an impact is crucial to one's position on any 
> board.
>


--
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
dares not reason is a slave.


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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 03:31:23 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 22:31:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nabs-presidents] Bre Brown for Secretary
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Dear NABS,
I recognize this is my second message of this nature today, but I would be
remiss if I did not publicly support my friend and colleague, Bre Brown. Bre
and I started off in the Federation roughly around the same time, we met in
2010 at a Youth Leadership Academy being held at our National Center in
Baltimore, and since then the rest has been history. I was fortunate enough
to attend the Louisiana Center for the Blind in 2011, and shortly after the
start of my training, Bre arrived as well. It was our training experience
that truly allowed me to see first-hand Bre's high work ethic, meticulous
attention to detail, and passion and dedication for the movement.
In 2012, I had the good fortune to welcome Bre to the great state of Texas.
Bre jumped into our movement here in the Lone Star State head on, assuming
the responsibility of Bell Instructor, Project CHANGE Protégé, and Secretary
of the Texas Association of Blind Students. I can tell you in earnest that
my role as President of one of the largest and busiest state student
divisions in the country would not be possible if I did not have the support
that Bre provides me as TABS Secretary.
Bre is organized, thorough, detail oriented, patient, passionate,
hardworking, and dedicated to our work. She is trust worthy and kind, and
NABS would benefit immensely by having her as our Secretary.
Bre loves the Federation, helping better the lives of blind people, and the
work we do on behalf of students both here in Texas as well as across the
country. Join me in electing Bre Brown Secretary of the National Association
of Blind Students on Wednesday July 2, 2014.
Respectfully,

Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Twitter: @gmcazares


-----Original Message-----
From: Nabs-presidents [mailto:nabs-presidents-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf
Of Bre Brown via Nabs-presidents
Sent: Saturday, June 28, 2014 10:28 AM
To: nabs-presidents at nfbnet.org; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: [Nabs-presidents] Bre Brown for Secretary

Fellow Federationists,

 In 2009 I became a proud member of the National Federation of the Blind. I
had heard about our organization for several years. However, I never
realized how awesome and impacting the NFB is until I joined.
As a new member, the state leaders in the NFB of West Virginia took me under
their wings, and they began teaching me our philosophy and mentoring me. Six
months later I had the privilege of attending a youth leadership academy at
the NFB Jernigan Institute. There I met some of our national leaders and
learned so much about our organization. At that point I knew I was hooked.

By September of 2010 I was the president of the West Virginia Association of
Blind Students, and by 2011 I was serving on the state board. I held both of
these positions until 2013. All of those opportunities led me to get
involved with the National Association of Blind Students (NABS). I started
out by serving on a committee to get more high school students involved. I
extended my service to NABS by volunteering wherever help was needed. After
attending the Louisiana Center for the Blind, I relocated to Texas. There I
became the secretary of the Texas Association of Blind Students which is one
of the most active student divisions in the country. In 2013 I was elected
as a board member of NABS. It has been an absolute honor to serve in all of
these positions. It has made me realize how much we can effect change, set
goals for the future, and continue the movement of an active and vibrant
organization.

I am planning to run for the position of secretary of NABS at our annual
business meeting. As a board member, I am currently serving on the
communications committee, and I am extensively handling our social media
platforms. I love organizing, planning, inputting information, volunteering,
and doing what it takes to help ensure that NABS continues to be a
successful, energetic organization. Because of all of the opportunities I've
been granted, I have developed great organizational and communication
skills. I would like to use my skills to help continue the work of NABS. I
want to increase the outreach efforts of NABS, and my goal is to develop
more state student divisions. I am thrilled to be a part of NABS, and I know
that we have an extremely bright future ahead of us.

Being a member of the National Federation of the Blind has significantly
changed my life. I have been given so much, and I have acquired an enormous
amount of skills from wonderful people and leaders. It's an honor to
continue giving back, and serving on this board is just another part of
that. I would greatly appreciate your vote for me as the next secretary of
NABS!

Warmest Regards,
Bre Brown

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From kathrynwebster at me.com  Mon Jun 30 03:50:54 2014
From: kathrynwebster at me.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2014 23:50:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Justin Salisbury for NABS President.
References: <EF1904B1-AFF1-49EC-8D13-219EF490C2D6@me.com>
Message-ID: <F30731EC-B771-4C53-B8D3-584F67A27AC6@me.com>

Fellow Members, Leaders, and Nabsters,
>> 	First and foremost, I want to thank each and every individual who is reading this message in advance. It has been my pleasure to be apart of such an amazing organization for the past three years, however that membership has only been full of dedication, commitment, and passion for the last year. I thank Justin Salisbury entirely for my growth as a federationist and leader as a student. I understand that putting one person accountable for my development in the NFB may seem extreme, but it is simply the truth. Since I won the Readers Are Leaders award in Connecticut during my high school years, Justin has spent countless hours mentoring and enlightening me. His efforts were not solely Federation based, as he offered personal advice and shed light on my flawed perspectives. I was young, immature, and confused, yet Justin never gave up on what he a saw as potential.  His leadership skills are impeccable, and I can fully attest to this through his involvement in the Connecticut affiliate, North Carolina affiliate, North Carolina Association of Blind Students, and most significantly, the Connecticut association of Blind Students. After founding the student division in Connecticut over a year ago, Justin's presidency has demonstrated his potential as a greater leader. He not only takes the right amount of control in any situation, but he listens to others and believes in those who have a passion for progress and improvement. He consistently represents an optimistic and hopeful friend as Justin provides insight into those matters he is confident in expressing thought and perception.
>> I can speak for all Connecticut students when I say that Justin Salisbury asserts his official position in a way that makes all members and fellow leaders feel comfortable and welcomed when contributing. He always encourages new ideas and takes each member's opinion to heart when pondering a change, improvement, or fundraising strategy. He helps anyone at anytime and in any way, and never belittles any opinion or thought. 
>> As he interns at the national office this summer, I know he is learning even more than I can imagine, and will bring all of that knowledge to the table when strengthening nabs. Even as he is busy each day in Baltimore, Justin devotes time to the Connecticut Association of Blind students, on top of his other various involvements in the Federation. Justin is extraordinarily well-rounded through his background, academic achievements, and demographics. He truly cares about the Federation in a way that is different from any other individual. When I think of Justin, I think of success. Now that I think about it, as I gave my scholarship introductory speech during the Nabs Business Meeting last year at Convention, even then I emphasized my gratitude for Justin's mentorship over the years.
>> Justin is organized, bright, confident, extroverted, outgoing, intelligent, and has a great sense of humor. He has made connections with national leaders that will help progress our movement to levels we have never seen. I know that no president will ever be perfect, but I know that Justin's passion will shine if elected. He has served on the Nabs Board, various state boards, and has been elected president in various student divisions. He also is on the Steering Committee for the newly founded 75 Day campaign, a select group of leaders who live for the growth, advancement, and expansion of the Federation as a whole.  Justin has the Federation philosophy that is necessary in this position.
> To demonstrate his progress in developing one of the many student divisions, he has brilliantly crafted the idea of an advertisement directory. Now, the Connecticut student division can easily network to all colleges throughout CT in order to pull in new members and broaden our student division. Furthermore, we are incorporating a student seminar into our State Convention this year, an idea stemmed from his service in North Carolina. Justin also has put tireless effort into helping the students in North Carolina and Connecticut. He has written at least ten letters elaborating on his personal story in order to seek attention from various congressmen, so that co-sponsorship of the Teach Act will grow. He served as Connecticut's Legislative Committee Chairperson for years, and knows the inns and outs regarding what is necessary in achieving equality within the government.
> I I thoroughly recognize his willingness to listen, his availability regardless of the circumstance, and his compassion for each and every one of you.
>> Even though Justin may come off as intimidating at times *laugh*, he is without a doubt prepared and equipped with the skills needed in serving as the next president of nabs.
>> Nabs is a growing division and with that comes growth on the board. As the elections take place in just a few days, please consider my above comments. Either way, let go of the popularity aspect and personal relationships, and think about what is best for the student division as a whole.
>> I know this is an exceedingly hard decision because both candidates express specialty in an array of areas, so please do take care when casting your ballot.
>> Please do not hesitate to reach out to me on or off-list, by email or phone, at any time throughout convention. My contact information will be posted below, and I welcome any comments, concerns, or questions.
>> Join me in voting Justin Salisbury as Nabs President this coming Wednesday!
>> 
>> Yours Always,
>> Kathryn C. Webster
>> (203) 273-8463
>> webskc13 at wfu.edu
>> kathrynwebster at me.com
> 

From joy.misto at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 12:02:52 2014
From: joy.misto at gmail.com (Jpy Mistovich)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 08:02:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recordings
Message-ID: <6F297C2E-F07D-4CD9-9C4F-E46352E1BC2A@gmail.com>

Hi everyone, 
I  was going to be at the convention on Tuesday, but now I won't be there until Friday. My cousin just passed away. If any of you will be attending the sessions I was wondering if you'd be willing to record them and  email me the recordings. 
Thanks so much, joy
Spanish seminar, job seeker seminar, living history group, , writers division meeting, blind academics discussion group, nabs meeting, napub meeting, Nagdu seminar, lions meeting, the play, nfb communities of faith seminar, and the spirit of 75. 

Sent from my iPad

From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun 30 17:34:24 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 13:34:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Day to Sign up for the Mac introduction course
Message-ID: <34AC57AE-7EF5-414F-BCF0-75100ECF2856@me.com>

Hi all.
First off, I hope the convention is a great one this year.
I look forward to hearing the streams that are provided.
I wanted to let you all know that today is the last day for the 10% discount on Blind access training's intro to the mac course.

Tonight at 6:00 pacific is the deadline to sign up for our intro to mac training course which begins July 11th.

Use the code pp10 when checking out for the 10% discount.

This course is designed to assist students new to the mac os. For more information, and to make your payment visit:

http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/introduction-to-macintosh-and-voiceover/

 

Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 18:54:58 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 14:54:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message For Macy McClain
Message-ID: <53b1b2ac.87263c0a.1ae9.3607@mx.google.com>

Dear Nabs Members,

I hope everyone is having a great time at this year's national 
convention.  I was wccndering if any of you have heard from Macy 
McClain.  My friend Joshua Lester from Arkansas is concerned 
about her.  I have also been wondering where she has been.  If 
you know anything about her please respond as soon as possible.


From smwhalenpsp at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 19:06:28 2014
From: smwhalenpsp at gmail.com (Sean Whalen)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:06:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS Meeting Agenda
Message-ID: <00c301cf9496$659f55e0$30de01a0$@gmail.com>

Good afternoon NABS:

 

As many of us are on the way to Orlando, and many others are thinking about
maybe starting to pack, I wanted to share the agenda for the annual business
meeting. I think we have some great presenters this year and I am very
excited to reconnect with or meet many of you in Orlando! Please find the
agenda attached, as well as pasted below.

 

Also, I just want to urge everybody to get to the meeting early this year.
Every year many many students are still outside registering when the meeting
starts. This year I'd love to see all of you in the meeting room and ready
to rock at 7:00. We have a $100 cash door prize right at the start of the
meeting, so you'll want to be there to have a shot at that. But, more
importantly, this is the last time that Dr. Maurer will be addressing NABS
as the President of NFB. As you all likely know, Dr. Maurer is stepping down
from the Presidency this year in Orlando. Of course we all know enough to
know that he will remain the driving force behind our movement for years to
come. This is a special convention and a special meeting. And, NABS has a
little something special for Dr. Maurer, too. We want you all to be there to
see it and to show our appreciation for the monumental improvements in the
lives of the blind that his decades of service have produced. So, please,
come and register when we open up at 6:00 on Wednesday. You can mix, mingle
and chat with friends in the meeting room, and we will play some music to
keep people entertained. Let's pack the room and show Orlando what student
energy and the National Federation of the Blind are all about!

 

Thanks,

 

Sean

 

Together for a Better Tomorrow
National Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind

Annual Seminar and Business Meeting - July 2, 2014

7:00   Welcome and Call to Order - Sean Whalen, President, National
Association of Blind Students

7:05   Student Leadership and the Future of the Movement - Marc Maurer,
President, National Federation of the Blind

7:20   Think You Can't Do Science? Think Again! - Hoby Wedler, Ph.D.
Candidate, University of California Davis

7:30   Opening Up Access for All - Rick Ferrie, Head of Accessibility
Advocacy, Pearson

7:45   Together: We Transform Dreams into Reality - Mark Riccobono,
Executive Director, National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute

7:55   Meet the Class of 2014 Part I - Patti Gregory-Chang, Chair, NFB
Scholarship Committee; President, National Federation of the Blind of
Illinois 

8:10   We, the Leaders; This, Our Movement; Together, Being the Change -
Darian Smith, 2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students.

8:20   Precious Moments: My Journey in the NFB - Precious Perez, President,
Massachusetts Association of Blind Students

8:30   The Mission, the Movement, and the Motivation to Make a Difference -
Anil Lewis, Deputy Executive Director, National Federation of the Blind
Jernigan Institute

8:40   Meet the Class of 2014 Part II - Patti Gregory-Chang, Chair, NFB
Scholarship Committee; President, National Federation of the Blind of
Illinois 

8:55   Laying Down the Law: NFB's Work to Ensure an Equal Education for
Blind Students - Valerie Yingling, Paralegal, National Federation of the
Blind

9:00   Choosing Our Future: NABS Update - Sean Whalen, President, National
Association of Blind Students

9:15   Announcements

9:30   Elections

10:30       Adjourn

 

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Jun 30 19:07:45 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 12:07:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A couple of helpful pointers on using a list serve.
Message-ID: <DC518301-15C2-4560-B858-46BEAB8A05F8@gmail.com>

Greetings all,
  Just a few pointers to keep in mind regarding using our list serves.
 
 The NABS list  is a place where  students can share tips, tricks and insights that can be used to help  each other live the lives we want on and off campus.
 Parents and professionals may come to seek input and understanding of the matters that matter most to students as well. Also this list is used as a communication  tool  between the NABS board and the membership. 
 It is a good thing to keep personal messages off the list, and to direct questions directly to  individuals you might be friends with who subscribe to the list instead.
  Doing this will help make the list a useful, welcoming place for students who were new like you once were.
  Thank you for reading and thank you for helping NABS  be a place for all blind students!
    Best,
  Darian   
 
Darian Smith
2nd Vice President, National Association of Blind Students
(415) 215-9809
dsmithnfb at gmail.com.
twitter: @goldengateace

www.nabslink.org
Follow the National Association of Blind Students on twitter: @nabslink.
“ A good Head and a good heart are always a formidable combination” 
 - Nelson Mandela.  
> 
> Vehicle Donations Take the Blind Further 
> Donate your car to the National Federation of the Blind today!
> For more information, please visit: www.carshelpingtheblind.org or call 1-855-659-9314


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Jun 30 19:11:47 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2014 15:11:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Message For Macy McClain
In-Reply-To: <53b1b2ac.87263c0a.1ae9.3607@mx.google.com>
References: <53b1b2ac.87263c0a.1ae9.3607@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <33CF7794-6F79-418F-9B9A-6729A5006AE1@me.com>

Hi. Macey's been busy with college.
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Introduction to the Macintosh Operating system and voiceover course available now. Spots are limited, sign up here
http://blindaccesstraining.com/training-courses/

On Jun 30, 2014, at 2:54 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear Nabs Members,
> 
> I hope everyone is having a great time at this year's national convention.  I was wccndering if any of you have heard from Macy McClain.  My friend Joshua Lester from Arkansas is concerned about her.  I have also been wondering where she has been.  If you know anything about her please respond as soon as possible.
> 
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