[nabs-l] Training centers not the real world

Wed Jun 4 12:29:49 UTC 2014

Good morning, everyone,

If it works for you, doesn't matter what others say. And, don't be 
afraid of fire for, if you learn (usually by means of trial&error) to 
handle fire, any apprehension slowly evaporates. For me, this came 
upon my smoking. It is throu gh such means that I learned about 
matches and yes, the lighter was air! 01:04 AM 11/12/2013, justin 
williams wrote:
>I prefer a lighter; but I'm sure some of you guys will call that cheating.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Greg Aikens
>Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 10:03 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
>
>I find that most of my candles come in some kind of glass jar that can be
>very helpful in giving me a point of reference.  Like Arielle said, I put my
>hand up to the match to make sure it is burning strongly and then find the
>jar with my other hand.  I then put the lit match down into the jar and
>"feel" around for the wick with the lit end of the match.  As far as I can
>tell, running the lit match over the surface of the wax does no harm and
>eventually I find the wick.  I hold the match there for about 3 seconds and
>then remove it.  I place my hand several inches above the candle to see if I
>lit it and then just blow out the match.  The bowl of water is probably a
>good idea but I generally just hold the match for 15 or 20 seconds, long
>enough for it to cool, before setting it down or throwing it away.
>
>Maybe that's not the best method but it has worked for me.
>
>-Greg
>
>
>On Nov 11, 2013, at 9:28 PM, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Lora,
> >
> > From what I remember, I first lit the match and listened for the crack
> > sound and also put my other hand a few feet away to check for warmth
> > coming from the match. I then used my other hand to feel for the base
> > of the candle, put the match up to the candle wick and would wait a
> > few seconds, move the match away and feel with my other hand above the
> > candle to see if there was heat coming up from it. It was a bit of
> > trial and error to see when the candle was lit, and perhaps others
> > with more experience have better suggestions for that. The main
> > nonvisual trick I was taught was for putting out the matches. I was
> > taught to drop them into a bowl of water so I didn't accidentally put
> > a lit match down onto something else that could burn. I admit I have
> > not practiced it much since getting out of the center but I think it
> > is safe and effective as long as you keep the space clear of clutter,
> > take your time and use the bowl of water. I also tried unsuccessfully
> > once to light a lighter. I thought that was really difficult but that
> > was more because I have fine motor issues than because of blindness. I
> > am curious if others have found good techniques for lighters. However,
> > I don't think the lighter gives off as much heat as a match so it is
> > probably harder to tell when it is lit if you have no vision. I would
> > recommend sticking with matches, and using long ones in case it takes
> > a while to get the candle to light. Best of luck!
> >
> > Arielle
> >
> > On 11/11/13, ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com <ichoosechrist2 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Don't remember who said this, but what are your suggestions as far as
> >> lighting candles non-visually? My Center basically told me not to do it.
> >>
> >> Lora
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Nov 11, 2013, at 6:52 PM, "Ashley Bramlett"
> >>> <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Bridgit,
> >>> I know options are not as readily available. That is why I asked rj
> >>> if this lady had looked at other options.
> >>> I am fully aware that options are scarce. In VA, you either go to
> >>> the center or receive field training which is so infrequent that it
> >>> will not help much.
> >>>
> >>> I believe we need other options. If you have children or care for
> >>> parents or something family related, its very hard to leave and go to
>training.
> >>>
> >>> I wish there were more day centers for people to go to and then they
> >>> can take care of business after training at night.
> >>> I think its terrible about the funding. Yes, I know that vr does not
> >>> fund training for seniors and those with no employment goal.
> >>>
> >>> In my state, we have terrible services for home based service.
> >>> You can go to the state residential center in richmond va.
> >>> But, if you cannot, or such center does not meet your needs, little
> >>> options exist. Every office has field staff, but their caseloads are
> >>> way, way too high.
> >>> We have home based O&M and rehab teachers.
> >>> However, they  come so in frequently that little learning can occur.
> >>> I think a volunteer system is an excellent idea.
> >>> We actually have that for technology training. Those in the DC area
> >>> meaning DC, northern VA, and MD have the opportunity to partake in
> >>> assistive technology training at the Martin Luther King library in
> >>> DC on G street. But this means they have to have transportation
> >>> there and be willing to get out of the house which some newly blind
> >>> people are not able or willing to do and if you're sick, well that
> >>> is an issue too.
> >>> So, those who can go to the MLK library can participate in volunteer
> >>> assistive tech training.
> >>> They can learn jaws, Zoomtext, braille notetakers, scanners, and
> >>> talking book players.
> >>> Additionally, the MLK library offers a IOS training on certain tuesdays.
> >>> You can have training on the apple devices or even android now.
> >>> Android is very new and they have few volunteers for that.
> >>>
> >>> If that wasn't enough, the MLK library also offers technology camps
> >>> for youth, or at least they used to.
> >>> They offer a braille book club on one Saturday a month. Also, they
> >>> offer seminars on technology and recreation for those who are
> >>> hearing impaired or vision impaired; separate seminars since our
> >>> needs are different and these are free.
> >>> I am quite upset that funding is not available for services from the
> >>> dc lighthouse in my county, yet in the next county it is.
> >>> I want to partake in some advanced computer training from the
> >>> columbia lighthouse for the blind.
> >>> But no funding is covered in my area and it would leave me paying
> >>> out of pocket.
> >>>
> >>> I wish more volunteer programs existed like at MLK library for other
> >>> areas of life like teaching braille.
> >>> Totally good points. I'm glad you
> >>> healed and were able to attend the iowa center.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>> -----Original Message----- From: Bridgit Pollpeter
> >>> Sent: Monday, November 11, 2013 5:20 PM
> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
> >>>
> >>> Ashley,
> >>>
> >>> The options aren't as readily available as you present here. This is
> >>> a major obstacle for pretty much all training centers, and this
> >>> includes the NFB centers.
> >>>
> >>> Bottom line, if you can't attend in-house training, or at least
> >>> attend as a day student every day for the duration of the 6 to 9
> >>> months, most are out of luck. And finding a two-day or weekend
> >>> program isn't enough to teach the skills. These are just
> >>> introductory programs to allow people the opportunity to see what
> >>> training would be like. And other institutions aren't equipped to
> >>> provide the kind of home training you suggest or even offer day
>programs.
> >>>
> >>> The biggest issue is funding, and a little secret, the government
> >>> doesn't want to pay for training for seniors or stay-at-home parents
> >>> or the sick because they are determined unemployable, and therefore
> >>> will not put money back into the system. This is the reality for any
> >>> agency working with people with disabilities.
> >>>
> >>> Bridgit
> >>> Message: 15
> >>> Date: Mon, 11 Nov 2013 12:18:55 -0500
> >>> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> >>> To: <tyler at tysdomain.com>, "National Association of Blind Students
> >>> mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Training centers not the real world
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> >>>
> >>> Tyler,
> >>> No its not an issue with training centers. If people cannot go to
> >>> one due to circumstances, that does not invalidate the work the
> >>> center does.
> >>> It just shows more options need to be available. I'd like to see
> >>> more home based teaching where a teacher comes to your home to teach
> >>> you privately
> >>>
> >>> using your own equipment and marking them if needed.
> >>>
> >>> Rj, your friend should look at other options. Has she asked about
> >>> receiving services from her vr agency?
> >>> They may contract with itenerant O&M and rehab teaching specialists
> >>> who can help her at home.
> >>> Has she investigated community options such as a lighthouse? If she
> >>> lives in NC, there is the Metrolina Association for the blind; if in
> >>> GA, there are two day centers such as the Center for the visually
> >>> impaired in Atlanta.
> >>> Those are just a few examples. TThere may be options. You just have
> >>> to find them.
> >>>
> >>> Ashley
> >>>
> >>>
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