[nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Gabe Cazares
gcazares10 at gmail.com
Mon Jun 23 01:44:35 UTC 2014
Dear Garret, Elizabeth, and All:
I'm sorry your experiences with NABS leadership have differed from mine
Elizabeth. I know my fellow Board Members do their best to reach out to our
members and answer questions as quickly as they can.
As far as the NABS Notes are concerned, I strive to send them out by the
second Sunday of every month. Seeing how the second Sunday this month was
Father's Day, I was planning on getting them out the next day. As Garret has
already informed everyone, my parents and I were involved in a car accident
last Sunday, so I've been MIA this past week. I'm just now catching up with
school and NFB work, thankfully the accident wasn't as severe as it could
have been, so I'm hoping to be fully recovered by convention.
In the time I've been out, I've received last-minute announcements from
several student divisions that I do plan to include in the NABS Notes.
Expect to have them by the end of the week.
If you have any more questions, please feel free to contact me.
Warm regards,
...Gabe
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via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 6:39 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Hello all,
I do not post to the list very often, but I feel that I have something to
contribute to the conversation. I do not serve on the NABS board. However, I
am a student leader in my home state of Arizona where I currently serve as
student division president.
I built several relationships with several NABS board members, which they
have gone above and beyond to help with the growth of our division. A large
part of why our division has gone from a division with only five members to
a division of thirty in the past year is because of those relations.
I do receive the NABS notes every month and find them to be a great resource
for ideas for my own division. Due to the relationship that I have with NABS
I know that the editor Gabe Cazeres, was recently in a car accident this
past week, which he was wounded, and is working to put out the NABS notes
this week.
Regards
James Garret Mooney
President Arizona association of blind students
Board member national federation of the blind of arizona
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: Victor reader streem to blackboard (Chris Nusbaum)
2. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Sophie Trist)
3. NOPBC Style Show Models Needed (Kayleigh Joiner)
4. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Kirt)
5. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Joe)
6. OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip To
Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (David Dunphy)
7. Re: OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight (Marissa)
8. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Roanna Bacchus)
9. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Littlefield, Tyler)
10. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Arielle Silverman)
11. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods (Kirt)
12. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Elizabeth Mohnke)
13. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Arielle Silverman)
14. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Arielle Silverman)
15. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Gabe Cazares)
16. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(justin williams)
17. Re: Individualism and Following a Leader (Elizabeth Mohnke)
18. apartment resources (Littlefield, Tyler)
19. Re: apartment resources (Ashley and Landon Coleman)
20. Re: Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
(Elizabeth Mohnke)
21. To Helga (RJ Sandefur)
22. Re: apartment resources (Misty Dawn Bradley)
23. Re: Public Speaking (Candice Chapman)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:44:52 -0400
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>
To: "'justin williams'" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>, "'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
Message-ID: <004101cf8e39$4ab32c10$e0198430$@gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Justin,
If you have the 2nd generation Stream or an older model with the Softpack
installed, recordings from the Stream are in MP3 format. If they are in this
format, you can use the Stream's SD card to access the audio file on your
computer, from which you can upload it to Blackboard.
Hope this helps,
Chris
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via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:28 AM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: 'Human Services Division Mailing List'
Subject: [nabs-l] Victor reader streem to blackboard
Does anyone know how to get a recording from the victor reader streem onto
blackboard? It is even possible? Maybe I should have recorded on windows
media player or something? Oops.
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Message: 2
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:25:23 -0500
From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
To: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer" <zdreicer at gmail.com>, National
Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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I don't believe that following a leader in an organization
infringes on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some
cases, joining organizations can actually promote individualism
because it allows people to meet others who have the same
interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more than one
person alone. The organization is made stronger because it
receives input from lots of different people, and it must accept
that those people won't always agree. An organization that
promotes individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes
all ideas into account. If an organization refuses to
accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's
changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person. So
I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess
that change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should
examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have
changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like
how an organization has changed us, we should take a look at why
we're following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you.
Choosing to be a part of an organization only makes the
organization stronger. I do not believe it would make an
individual weaker
Thank you.
Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Fellow Federationists:
Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism,
especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders
and establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but
sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to
maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
otherwise more actively embraced.
I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and,
sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand
out as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the
leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American
fraternity) and the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi
Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from college,
and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
that we are stronger together than individually, especially as we
try to create a more positive image of native men than the
stereotypes perpetuate. I don't have to tell you what we do in
the National Federation of the Blind, so I would now like to pose
some questions:
Does following a leader or identifying with an
establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
individual?
Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with
an organization?
Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
individual voices?
Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with
an organization?
I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
Yours,
Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 3
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:28:43 -0500
From: Kayleigh Joiner <kayleigh281 at yahoo.com>
To: NABS list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] NOPBC Style Show Models Needed
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Will You Be Attending the NFB National Convention In Orlando?
Please Join Us for the 2014 Annual NOPBC Style Show!
We are currently looking for models wishing to participate! Applications
are now being accepted for children preschool through college.
Where: NFB National Convention, Orlando, Florida
When: Wed., July 2, 2014
Show Time: 2:45pm to 4:00pm (Rehearsal 1:00pm)
Room: To Be Announced
Do you have an interest in fashion? Would you like to walk the runway?
The National Organization of Parents of Blind Children (NOPBC) would like
to invite all interested students who will be attending the NFB National
Convention in Orlando this summer to apply to walk in the NOPBC Style Show.
Each participant will wear their own favorite fashionable outfit. You can
choose any style: formal, casual, sportswear, or business attire.
Please email kim at gulfimagesphoto.comwith your child?s name and parent?s
cell phone number to apply. We are currently accepting maximum 25 models.
Apply early to reserve your child?s spot!
*Please complete the attached call sheet and bring it with you to the show.
A completed call sheet will be needed for each outfit (maximum 2). You must
arrive at 1:00pm for rehearsal to participate!
Regards,
Kim Cunningham
2ndVP, NOPBC
Cell 713-501-9659
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 11:47:09 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>, National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Sophie,
Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the Federation
on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to present
a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the
vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it
is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
Best,
Kirt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining organizations
can actually promote individualism because it allows people to meet others
who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a group can do more
than one person alone. The organization is made stronger because it receives
input from lots of different people, and it must accept that those people
won't always agree. An organization that promotes individualism is one that
accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling individualism.
I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years, but it's changed me,
made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a lot about my abilities
and responsibilities as a blind person. So I believe that joining an
organization can and does change an individual's identity. The task of the
individual is to assess that change with the synicism that Justin talked
about. We should examine ourselves to see how our affiliations with others
have changed us. And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're following
that leader and see if it's really worth it.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>
> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be a
part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
believe it would make an individual weaker
> Thank you.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our generation
has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in questioning
the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I appreciate this
part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking
can lead us to maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have
otherwise more actively embraced.
>
> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I have
come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
(the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate from
college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be the
best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand that we
are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to create a
more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
>
> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>
> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
organization?
>
> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
individual voices?
>
> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
organization?
>
> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 5
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:54:08 -0400
From: "Joe" <jsoro620 at gmail.com>
To: "'Justin Salisbury'" <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>, "'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?
As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Fellow Federationists:
I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.
How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us? How well have we been doing with it?
Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.
Yours,
Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 6
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
From: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual Trip
To Disney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
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Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending The NFB's
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the center part
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to Disney
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love disney in
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM eastern as I
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com
Join us as we will...
Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life, etc
We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new Snow
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa does not.
Hear their thoughts.
Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes from
the movies that have been very popular over the last several decades
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something exciting and
special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more in this
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you won't want
to miss it.
To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014
Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile device, or
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880
So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
From David Dunphy
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Message: 7
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 12:31:34 -0700
From: Marissa <marissat789 at gmail.com>
To: David Dunphy <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>, National
Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,
chris.omeally at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
Would either link work on the Apex?
----- Original Message -----
From: David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Christopher O'Meally <chris.omeally at gmail.com>, National
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Get Warmed Up For Convention With A Virtual
Trip ToDisney World Through CyberSpace Tonight
Calling Those Who Love Disney, Calling Those Who Are Attending
The NFB's
National Convention, Calling Anyone Who Wants To Hang Out
Tonight!
Obviously, for those in the NFB, the convention will be the
center part
of the trip, but if you are hanging around to make a trip to
Disney
World, you have pre convention excitement, or you just love
disney in
general, then tonight's show is for you!
Join me, special guest host Kyle from Broadway Bay at 7 PM
eastern as I
bring to you Djd's Disney du jour on wdjm3.com
Join us as we will...
Talk about Disney World, the parks, aspects of disney world life,
etc
We hope to have a debate between Will and Melissa about the new
Snow
White And The Seven Dwarves train ride. Will loves it. Melissa
does not.
Hear their thoughts.
Hear music from the disney parks, as well as popular disney tunes
from
the movies that have been very popular over the last several
decades
(and yes, we'll hear music from frozen too smile)
And, a major announcement will be made regarding something
exciting and
special that is going to take place in July. Can't say any more
in this
announcement, except that it will be exciting, cool, and you
won't want
to miss it.
To interact with us during the show, tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014
Skype in at
daviddunphyradio
Call us up at
516 945 9165
and listen in at
http://wdjm3.com/player
and click the play link to listen with any computer or mobile
device, or
put the following into your media player of choice:
http://199.180.72.17:9880
So take a virtual trip to disney, and get warmed up for the NFB
convention with music, disney talk, and general magic!
From David Dunphy
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Message: 8
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:39:00 -0400
From: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>
To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>, National Association
of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Hi Justin thanks for polling the membership of the National
Federation Of The BLIND. I'm not a member, but I'd still like to
contribute. Transparency is very important to Nabs as a student
division. I believe we have done well with this in the last few
years. I believe that the federation's web site needs to be kept
up to date regularly. I have currently not seen anything that is
out of date yet.
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Message: 9
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 15:51:06 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
I believe that's how long terms run for.
The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
at the beginning of someone taking office.
Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
trying to keep your name well known.
Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
> true sense, are we?
>
> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> Visit my blog:
> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
> Salisbury via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Fellow Federationists:
>
> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>
> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
> the encouragement to continue.
>
> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
> from us? How well have we been doing with it?
>
> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
> Federation.
>
> Yours,
>
> Justin Salisbury
> Board Member
> National Association of Blind Students
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dares not reason is a slave.
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Message: 10
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:18:00 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Hi Justin and all,
While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are
worth discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling
the membership about these things before one runs for office, because
the discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their
vision and how they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and
not just in the context of campaigning.
Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how
can we increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that
when I joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication
between the board and membership. For example, there were no NABS
updates or bulletins except a brief presidential note in the Student
Slate that was published less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally
came out to conventions, but there were no regional reps, no list for
state presidents, etc. And elections were completely hidden. I'm
thrilled to see people openly disclosing their candidacy on-list
because this is a stark contrast to the days when nobody knew who was
running unless you happened to be good friends with a candidate or on
the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send
out board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should
happen every month. We could also consider allowing members to attend
the board conference calls and having time at the end for members to
speak up. This has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth
considering. We should ensure the NABS website is up-to-date and the
NABS notes updates come out regularly. All these projects take time
and effort. We're all volunteers, and sometimes these things get
forgotten. I would also say that communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not
attempted to find out what's going on. The board can send out info,
but members also need to seek it out. The board discussion about
whether or not to let officer candidates speak on the agenda (which
started this whole discussion here) must have been documented in the
minutes and sent out at one time.
Arielle
On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why
> have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my previous
> message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved with the
> NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch this list and
> I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
> and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
> questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said,
> trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>> announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
>> for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
>> person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
>> honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
>> expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
>> as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
>> its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
>> to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
>> here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
>> stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
>> do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
>> receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
>> want
>> from us? How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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>
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> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 14:18:28 -0600
From: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>
To: "tyler at tysdomain.com" <tyler at tysdomain.com>, National Association
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Tyler,
He got you and Joe to agree with each other. Certainly that has to count for
something? :-)
Best,
Kirt
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jun 22, 2014, at 1:51 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks
and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
announcement
>> to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense
for
>> this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a
person's
>> stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we
honestly
>> expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really
expect
>> the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing
as
>> too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in
its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks
to
>> my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
>> have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm
here
>> to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
>> look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to
stimulate
>> NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
>> student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
>> the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
>> board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to
do
>> it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
>> could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
>> performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
>> anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might
receive
>> the encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members
want
>> from us? How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
>> value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
>> Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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>
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> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
that dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:30:07 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Hello Arielle,
When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of time,
but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year. I
completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information that
would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of information
should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
contact board members all the time to receive this information.
Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Hi Justin and all,
While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and how
they want to present their vision to the organization.
However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
just in the context of campaigning.
Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between the
board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good friends
with a candidate or on the board.
Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen every
month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
communication is a two-way street.
One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole discussion
here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
Arielle
On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Joe:
> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>
> 1) How important is transparency:
> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>
> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>
> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>
> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>> awkward.
>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>> true sense, are we?
>>
>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> Visit my blog:
>> http://joeorozco.com/blog
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>> similar way.
>>
>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>> encouragement to continue.
>>
>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>> members want from us? How well have we been doing with it?
>>
>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>> build the Federation.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 13
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:41:45 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>, National Association of Blind
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hi all,
I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people
join organizations because there are clear benefits both for the
individuals in the group and the group itself. When one becomes a
member of an organization, that organization becomes another identity
the person has. Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's
other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences
with NABS leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than
what's typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization
should "follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly
trust. Instead, I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve
the organization and carry out the organization's wishes. In this
role, the organization chooses its leader and then tells the leader
what should be done. In that way, a leader is "following" the
organization in that he or she endeavors to carry out the activities
that the organization identifies as important. Of course, leaders
should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have
ideas and visions of their own for the organization. But the
organization's members have the power to accept or reject the leader's
new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think
the president's primary responsibility is to carry out the
organization's wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the
membership and the humility to accept opinions with which the
president might disagree. The board members serve as elected
representatives of the membership who tell the president what to do
when the entire membership is not able to meet (i.e. between
conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how things
should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my
ideas and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it
benefits an organization tremendously when members, or board members,
question and challenge the president and build on the president's
work. I don't think NABS would have gone very far during my term if my
board had blindly trusted me without questioning things I proposed or
contributing their own proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me,
but I would suggest that if you are on any kind of board or committee,
listen to what the chairperson says and try to think of problems with
their ideas or ways to make the good ideas even better. There is a way
to do this that still comes out of respect and loyalty to the
president and support for the organization as a whole. I cannot and
should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to
create a board culture where all opinions and disagreements were
appreciated. From my perspective, there was a nice bonus to that,
which was that board members felt empowered and respected so they were
willing to really work hard and follow through. A micromanaging
president risks alienating the board and, thus, getting stuck with all
the work.
Arielle
On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any specific
> organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral norms and the
> like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's individual identity
> for a greater good. If I disagree with the official stance of the
Federation
> on a few important issues iamb, as per the NFB pledge, obligated to
present
> a united front with the rest of the organization in public. I've made that
> bargain and, at least for now, I'm alright with it because I do support
the
> vast majority of the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but
it
> is nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
> identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes on
>> individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows people
>> to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they do, and a
>> group can do more than one person alone. The organization is made
stronger
>> because it receives input from lots of different people, and it must
>> accept that those people won't always agree. An organization that
promotes
>> individualism is one that accepts disagreement and takes all ideas into
>> account. If an organization refuses to accknowledge any view but its own,
>> it's stifling individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few
>> years, but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've
>> realized a lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
change
>> with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine ourselves
to
>> see how our affiliations with others have changed us. And if we like what
>> we see, great! If we don't like how an organization has changed us, we
>> should take a look at why we're following that leader and see if it's
>> really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to be
a
>> part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I do not
>> believe it would make an individual weaker
>> Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
generation
>> has been taught to focus heavily on individualism, especially in
>> questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and establishments. I
>> appreciate this part of my upbringing, but sometimes I wonder if this
>> modern way of thinking can lead us to maintain our distance from an
outfit
>> in which we might have otherwise more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and, sometimes, as
>> a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out as ones where I
have
>> come to trust the intentions of the leadership: Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity
>> (the first Native American fraternity) and the National Federation of the
>> Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to help Native American men graduate
>> from college, and it has added a general purpose of helping native men be
>> the best we can be. We are based in love and trust, and we understand
that
>> we are stronger together than individually, especially as we try to
create
>> a more positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I
>> don't have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the
Blind,
>> so I would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an establishment/organization
>> infringe upon one's ability to be an individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 14
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 13:45:22 -0700
From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
To: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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I remember seeing minutes from last fall, but I'm not sure if the new
bulletins coming out of the communications committee have included
minutes. If this is an oversight, I hope the next board will reinstate
the sharing of minutes. If this is an intentional change, it'd be
great to know the reasons for that change.
Arielle
On 6/22/14, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Hello Arielle,
>
> When was the last time the NABS board meeting minutes were sent out to the
> membership at large? I remember this being done for a brief period of
time,
> but I have not seen NABS board meeting minutes for at least the past year.
> I
> completely understand communication is a two way street, but as a general
> member, I get tired of hounding down board members seeking information
that
> would only take a minute or two to explain. What really frustrates me is
> having to repeatedly ask over and over again how something I personally
> participated in turned out in the end. I feel like this kind of
information
> should be freely given to members on a regular basis without having to
> contact board members all the time to receive this information.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:18 PM
> To: tyler at tysdomain.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>
> Hi Justin and all,
>
> While my gut reaction to this post was admittedly similar to Joe and
> Tyler's, I do think Justin brings up some valid questions that are worth
> discussing. I also don't really see anything wrong with polling the
> membership about these things before one runs for office, because the
> discussion can help candidates think more clearly about their vision and
> how
> they want to present their vision to the organization.
> However, I agree that such issues need to be discussed year-round and not
> just in the context of campaigning.
>
> Of course everybody wants transparency. I think the question is how can we
> increase transparency even more? Again I want to point out that when I
> joined NABS there was very little transparency or communication between
the
> board and membership. For example, there were no NABS updates or bulletins
> except a brief presidential note in the Student Slate that was published
> less than once a year. NABS reps occasionally came out to conventions, but
> there were no regional reps, no list for state presidents, etc. And
> elections were completely hidden. I'm thrilled to see people openly
> disclosing their candidacy on-list because this is a stark contrast to the
> days when nobody knew who was running unless you happened to be good
> friends
> with a candidate or on the board.
> Could we be better about transparency? Of course. We currently send out
> board meeting minutes, which is excellent. Ideally this should happen
every
> month. We could also consider allowing members to attend the board
> conference calls and having time at the end for members to speak up. This
> has its pluses and minuses, but may be worth considering. We should ensure
> the NABS website is up-to-date and the NABS notes updates come out
> regularly. All these projects take time and effort. We're all volunteers,
> and sometimes these things get forgotten. I would also say that
> communication is a two-way street.
> One shouldn't complain about lack of transparency if one has not attempted
> to find out what's going on. The board can send out info, but members also
> need to seek it out. The board discussion about whether or not to let
> officer candidates speak on the agenda (which started this whole
discussion
> here) must have been documented in the minutes and sent out at one time.
>
> Arielle
>
> On 6/22/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Joe:
>> Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
>> bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
>> respond, saying everything that people might want said but that
>> should've already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this
>> crap everywhere else. My question is pretty much the same as yours:
>> why have these topics not been raised until now? As I said in my
>> previous message to one of his announcements, I am not really involved
>> with the NFB, which is as much my fault as anything. But I do watch
>> this list and I honestly wasn't even aware Justin was on the board.
>>
>> 1) How important is transparency:
>> Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be
>> less transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago?
>> I believe that's how long terms run for.
>>
>> The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but
>> at the beginning of someone taking office.
>>
>> Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social
>> networks and following announcements of candidacy up with pointed
>> philosophical questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was
>> already said, trying to keep your name well known.
>>
>> Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is
>> going to be running and everyone's had their say.
>> On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is
>>> awkward.
>>> The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an
>>> announcement to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not
>>> make more sense for this overarching priority to have been a concern
>>> at the start of a person's stent in office? Second, the message is
>>> basically a truism. Do we honestly expect anyone to argue against
>>> transparency, or further, do we really expect the membership of any
>>> organization to suggest there could be such a thing as too much
>>> transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
>>> true sense, are we?
>>>
>>> As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It
>>> speaks to my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's
>>> name relevant have got to go. It's disingenuous.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>>
>>> --
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
>>> Salisbury via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
>>> To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
>>>
>>> Fellow Federationists:
>>>
>>> I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so
>>> I'm here to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted
>>> introspection. I like to look within myself for my own thoughts on
>>> matters, and I hope to stimulate NABS to look within ourselves in a
>>> similar way.
>>>
>>> Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
>>> functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working
>>> with student divisions across the country, I have found that I have
>>> often been the first one to bring information about the inner
>>> workings of the NABS board and about national student initiatives. I
>>> have always been proud to do it, but I wonder if we could be a more
>>> powerful movement if more members could know more about what was
>>> happening inside the board. If we are not performing as well as we
>>> can, I accept as much responsibility for it as anybody else. If we
>>> are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive the
>>> encouragement to continue.
>>>
>>> How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our
>>> members want from us? How well have we been doing with it?
>>>
>>> Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I
>>> will value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to
>>> build the Federation.
>>>
>>> Yours,
>>>
>>> Justin Salisbury
>>> Board Member
>>> National Association of Blind Students
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>>
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Message: 15
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 16:12:08 -0500
From: "Gabe Cazares" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Dear Friends,
First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.
However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.
Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.
This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.
Respectfully,
Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
Twitter: @gmcazares
From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?
As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Fellow Federationists:
I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.
How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us? How well have we been doing with it?
Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.
Yours,
Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 16
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:32 -0400
From: "justin williams" <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>, "'National Association of
Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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While I don?t know all of the NABS board, indeed, I did mention that in a
prior email, I would still like to give you fine folks a thank you and a
thumbs up.
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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Dear Friends,
First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.
However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.
Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.
This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.
Respectfully,
Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
Twitter: @gmcazares
From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?
As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Fellow Federationists:
I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.
How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us? How well have we been doing with it?
Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.
Yours,
Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 17
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:17:49 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
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Hello Arielle,
I have always enjoyed your posts to the email list, and this one is no
exception. I think you bring up a good point about people being able to
respectfully bring up things with others in which they disagree. I know I
have struggled with this myself, and I have most likely pushed people away
as a result. However, I have learned that when you have an attitude of
simply wanting the best for the organization that it helps to make these
kinds of conversations less personal. I think when you share the common goal
of making the organization the best that it can be that it helps people find
some common ground when there are disagreements.
However, it has taken me quite some time to learn this lesson in life, so I
hope leaders in our organization can understand that not everyone may
possess this skill. As difficult as it may be sometimes, I think one of the
most important things about being a leader is being willing to listen to
everyone regardless of what they may have to say. Whether it be good or bad,
simply taking the time to seriously consider what someone has to say can
really go a long way in my opinion.
But again Arielle, thank you for providing your point of view on things as
someone who has served as a leader within this organization. I believe your
thoughts, insights, and explanations of how things took place under your
leadership is rather valuable for those who wish to become the next leader
within our organization.
Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:42 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
Hi all,
I generally agree with the statements made so far. Obviously people join
organizations because there are clear benefits both for the individuals in
the group and the group itself. When one becomes a member of an
organization, that organization becomes another identity the person has.
Ideally the new identity shouldn't conflict with one's other identities.
I do have some comments that are more about leadership vs.
follower-ship, if we want to call it that. Based on my experiences with NABS
leadership, my philosophy is I think a little different than what's
typically discussed in the NFB. I don't think an organization should
"follow" its leader, at least not blindly follow or blindly trust. Instead,
I think a leader is a person who has chosen to serve the organization and
carry out the organization's wishes. In this role, the organization chooses
its leader and then tells the leader what should be done. In that way, a
leader is "following" the organization in that he or she endeavors to carry
out the activities that the organization identifies as important. Of course,
leaders should have special experience and skills that make them ideally
suited to carry out the organization's vision. And leaders should have ideas
and visions of their own for the organization. But the organization's
members have the power to accept or reject the leader's new ideas.
So in the case of NABS or an NFB affiliate (or NFB national), I think the
president's primary responsibility is to carry out the organization's
wishes. Doing so requires active engagement with the membership and the
humility to accept opinions with which the president might disagree. The
board members serve as elected representatives of the membership who tell
the president what to do when the entire membership is not able to meet
(i.e. between conventions). When I was NABS president, I had ideas about how
things should be done. Some were good ideas and others were flawed. The most
growth and change occurred when board members pointed out flaws in my ideas
and especially when they came up with better ones. I think it benefits an
organization tremendously when members, or board members, question and
challenge the president and build on the president's work. I don't think
NABS would have gone very far during my term if my board had blindly trusted
me without questioning things I proposed or contributing their own
proposals. Perhaps this is the academic in me, but I would suggest that if
you are on any kind of board or committee, listen to what the chairperson
says and try to think of problems with their ideas or ways to make the good
ideas even better. There is a way to do this that still comes out of respect
and loyalty to the president and support for the organization as a whole. I
cannot and should not take much credit for the growth NABS saw when I was
president. The only thing I can take credit for is that I tried to create a
board culture where all opinions and disagreements were appreciated. From my
perspective, there was a nice bonus to that, which was that board members
felt empowered and respected so they were willing to really work hard and
follow through. A micromanaging president risks alienating the board and,
thus, getting stuck with all the work.
Arielle
On 6/22/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> Yes I agree with a lot of what you're saying. However joining any
> specific organization with a. Detailed political platform, behavioral
> norms and the like is, in my view, sacrificing a part of a person's
> individual identity for a greater good. If I disagree with the
> official stance of the Federation on a few important issues iamb, as
> per the NFB pledge, obligated to present a united front with the rest
> of the organization in public. I've made that bargain and, at least
> for now, I'm alright with it because I do support the vast majority of
> the Federation's policies, programs and philosophy, but it is
> nevertheless a willing sacrifice of a small part of my individual
identity.
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 11:25 AM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't believe that following a leader in an organization infringes
>> on individualism. In fact, I believe that in some cases, joining
>> organizations can actually promote individualism because it allows
>> people to meet others who have the same interests and goals as they
>> do, and a group can do more than one person alone. The organization
>> is made stronger because it receives input from lots of different
>> people, and it must accept that those people won't always agree. An
>> organization that promotes individualism is one that accepts
>> disagreement and takes all ideas into account. If an organization
>> refuses to accknowledge any view but its own, it's stifling
>> individualism. I've only been a member of the NFB for a few years,
>> but it's changed me, made me a better, stronger person. I've realized a
lot about my abilities and responsibilities as a blind person.
>> So I believe that joining an organization can and does change an
>> individual's identity. The task of the individual is to assess that
>> change with the synicism that Justin talked about. We should examine
>> ourselves to see how our affiliations with others have changed us.
>> And if we like what we see, great! If we don't like how an
>> organization has changed us, we should take a look at why we're
>> following that leader and see if it's really worth it.
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Justin Salisbury <PRESIDENT at alumni.ecu.edu>,National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Sun, 22
>> Jun 2014 00:53:08 -0600
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Individualism and Following a Leader
>>
>> It's a great morning! I'm in Complete agreement with you. Choosing to
>> be a part of an organization only makes the organization stronger. I
>> do not believe it would make an individual weaker Thank you.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>> On Jun 22, 2014, at 0:31, Justin Salisbury via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Fellow Federationists:
>>
>> Let us have a discussion thread about the relationship between
>> individualism and following a leader. It appears to me that our
>> generation has been taught to focus heavily on individualism,
>> especially in questioning the ideas presented to us by leaders and
>> establishments. I appreciate this part of my upbringing, but
>> sometimes I wonder if this modern way of thinking can lead us to
>> maintain our distance from an outfit in which we might have otherwise
more actively embraced.
>>
>> I have analyzed organizations for years as an outsider and,
>> sometimes, as a member. For me, two primary organizations stand out
>> as ones where I have come to trust the intentions of the leadership:
>> Epsilon Chi Nu Fraternity (the first Native American fraternity) and
>> the National Federation of the Blind. Epsilon Chi Nu was founded to
>> help Native American men graduate from college, and it has added a
>> general purpose of helping native men be the best we can be. We are
>> based in love and trust, and we understand that we are stronger
>> together than individually, especially as we try to create a more
>> positive image of native men than the stereotypes perpetuate. I don't
>> have to tell you what we do in the National Federation of the Blind, so I
would now like to pose some questions:
>>
>> Does following a leader or identifying with an
>> establishment/organization infringe upon one's ability to be an
individual?
>>
>> Are we relinquishing any of our own identity if we identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> Is an organization a collection of individuals, and do they have
>> individual voices?
>>
>> Is it an individual decision to follow a leader or identify with an
>> organization?
>>
>> I look forward to reading all provided opinions.
>>
>> Yours,
>>
>> Justin Salisbury
>> Board Member
>> National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 18
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:29:15 -0400
From: "Littlefield, Tyler" <tyler at tysdomain.com>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
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Subject: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hello all:
I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio
for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty
bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay
for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room.
Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who
was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food
on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to
move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot.
This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be
comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives"
around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He would
physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost
touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to
much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will
be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in
five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my
entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110)
and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the
store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart
and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly
worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting
to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in
snowy weather?
My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular
cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a
loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I
usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
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Message: 19
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:33:31 -0400
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman <amc05111 at gmail.com>
To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
I know.
Ashley
On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a
> studio for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in
> a pretty bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra
> than I'd pay for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a
> lot more room. Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate
> (who was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop
> food on the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom
> to move around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a
> lot. This last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to
> be comfortable with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed
> "hives" around the middle of the semester but didn't want to move. He
> would physically push O'Mally away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost
> touch the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to
> much room to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin
> with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it
> will be with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen
> in five and not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order
> my entire months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like
> $110) and I'd get $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up
> to the store and back again. The next solution would be for me to get
> a cart and trek a mile to and from the store, which is doable. I'm
> mainly worried about winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough
> and getting to the store will be hard. How have people tackled this,
> especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular
> cell is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for
> a loan, but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I
> usually get. Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>
--
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Blinkie Chicks
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Message: 20
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:36:06 -0400
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
To: "'Gabe Cazares'" <gcazares10 at gmail.com>, "'National Association of
Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the
Methods
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Hello Gabe,
Speaking of the NABS notes, did I somehow miss the June edition of the NABS
Notes, or are they still yet to come?
However, I disagree with you some on the issues of transparency and
communication with the current board. I personally have sent several emails
to various board members of which I never received any kind of response. In
addition, I recall an email I sent to the list last summer asking what the
board had been doing because from my point of view as a general member, it
did not appear as though the board was doing all that much at the time. I
understand the manner in which I asked this question may not have been
appropriate or the most effective, but I still have yet to understand why it
would be so wrong for a general member to ask such a question when they see
little communication or evidence of what the board has been doing.
While I question the timing and motivation of Justin's posts and questions
to the email list, I actually find it refreshing to be able to talk about
such things on the email list when it seemed as though it was shunned in the
past. I am glad to hear your experience within this organization has been a
positive one, but I know this is not the case for everyone. And I think
everyone should be free to express their ideas and opinions regardless of
how favored or popular they are within this organization.
Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gabe Cazares
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 5:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Dear Friends,
First of all, I would like to recognize that I?m not a frequent contributor
to our list, but I feel like I have some things that are worth saying. The
NABS Board has been and continues to be composed of passionate, dedicated,
hardworking, and committed individuals who volunteer their time and talents
to work on behalf of blind students across the nation. I have had the
privilege of working alongside Sean Whalen and the rest of our team since
2012, and I can tell you firsthand that the questions my friend and
colleague Justin has put forth are questions that all of us as board members
have talked about with one another many times before. Additionally, my
experience before joining the NABS board taught me that if I wanted to know
something, all I had to do was ask someone on the NABS Board and they would
be happy to provide an answer. Before I joined the NABS board, I joined the
board of my state student division in Texas. During that time, Sean,
Candice, Darian, Karen, Cindy, and many others on the NABS board served as
mentors to me long before I joined them as a fellow board member in 2012.
Now, as president of one of the largest student division?s in the country,
the Texas Association of Blind Students, I can also tell you that
transparency is something we as leaders are always striving to provide our
membership. On a national level, I have the privilege of compiling the NABS
Notes, which our membership has begun to receive monthly, I make an effort
to check in with my region, as well as to provide as much support as I can
to any and all student leaders who ask for it. However, these are not
actions that are unique to me, but rather are actions that I can honestly
say that all of my fellow board members exhibit. From my perspective, there
is no us versus them mentality among the NABS Board and our membership or
the national office. Many of us on the NABS board are local, state, and
national leaders in addition to our individual roles in the National
Association of Blind Students.
However, more important than that in my opinion, many of us are friends with
you, our membership. I strongly believe that the relationships each and
every single one of us forges with state student division leaders helps to
expand the transparency that Justin and every single one of us on the NABS
Board seek to provide you as our members.
Tyler said ?The other two questions semes like questions that should be
asked, but at the beginning of someone taking office.? I whole heartedly
agree, and can honestly say that they have been asked, they have been the
center of many discussions online as well as offline, transparency is
something that matters outside of an election season, it matters each and
every single day; and I can say with confidence that our current NABS Board
has been, and continues to actively seek to provide such transparency. Are
there areas that need improvement? Of course there are, no group or division
is perfect, and I?m certain that both of our presidential candidates have
their own unique ideas as to how we should better our transparency and
communication as a national division.
This election boils down to differences of ideas and leadership styles, and
the NABS membership will ultimately decide who we think has the best
qualities to lead NABS to our next chapter. However, I disagree with the
notions that have been put out in recent messages that NABS Board Members
have not and continue to not engage with our members, that there is a level
of secrecy in the way the NABS Board handles day-to-day business of our
division, or to provide transparency. From my perspective we have been, and
will continue to work as one team, as one organization, as the National
Federation of the Blind. After all, our name clearly states that we are the
National Association of Blind Students, A Division of the National
Federation of the Blind.
Respectfully,
Gabe Cazares, President
Texas Association of Blind Students
A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Texas
Email: gcazares at nfbtx.org
Twitter: @gmcazares
From: "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Date: June 22, 2014 at 2:51:06 PM CDT
To: jsoro620 at gmail.com, National Association of Blind Students mailing list
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Reply-To: tyler at tysdomain.com, National Association of Blind Students
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Joe:
Emails need a "like" button. This entire campaign on Justin's end has
bothered me. He's firing out messages faster than anyone can read or
respond, saying everything that people might want said but that should've
already been said. This isn't just on NABS, I've seen this crap everywhere
else. My question is pretty much the same as yours: why have these topics
not been raised until now? As I said in my previous message to one of his
announcements, I am not really involved with the NFB, which is as much my
fault as anything. But I do watch this list and I honestly wasn't even aware
Justin was on the board.
1) How important is transparency:
Has there ever been an election where the voters said "You should be less
transparent?" Why is transparency an issue now and not 2 years ago? I
believe that's how long terms run for.
The other two questions semes like questions that should be asked, but at
the beginning of someone taking office.
Please, please stop flinging this out across all lists, social networks and
following announcements of candidacy up with pointed philosophical
questions, designed to bolster one's credits and as was already said, trying
to keep your name well known.
Lets all move forward on the railroad of democracy; we all know who is going
to be running and everyone's had their say.
On 6/22/2014 1:54 PM, Joe via nabs-l wrote:
Two things bother me about this message. First, the timeliness is awkward.
The concern for transparency should not come on the heels of an announcement
to seek the presidency of an organization. Would it not make more sense for
this overarching priority to have been a concern at the start of a person's
stent in office? Second, the message is basically a truism. Do we honestly
expect anyone to argue against transparency, or further, do we really expect
the membership of any organization to suggest there could be such a thing as
too much transparency? If so, we're not really embracing transparency in its
true sense, are we?
As a former NABS board member, I applaud the campaign messages. It speaks to
my political nature; however, feeble attempts to keep one's name relevant
have got to go. It's disingenuous.
Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin
Salisbury via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 12:22 AM
To: 'nabs-l at nfbnet.org'
Subject: [nabs-l] Transparency: the Value, the Quality, the Methods
Fellow Federationists:
I like the response I got the last time I polled the membership, so I'm here
to do it again. I am a big believer in targeted introspection. I like to
look within myself for my own thoughts on matters, and I hope to stimulate
NABS to look within ourselves in a similar way.
Before I joined the board, I knew some things about how the board
functioned, but I didn't know nearly as much as I do now. In working with
student divisions across the country, I have found that I have often been
the first one to bring information about the inner workings of the NABS
board and about national student initiatives. I have always been proud to do
it, but I wonder if we could be a more powerful movement if more members
could know more about what was happening inside the board. If we are not
performing as well as we can, I accept as much responsibility for it as
anybody else. If we are doing it right, I'd also hope that we might receive
the encouragement to continue.
How important is transparency? What type of transparency do our members want
from us? How well have we been doing with it?
Whether or not I am honored with the election to the presidency, I will
value this feedback and use it to the best of my ability to build the
Federation.
Yours,
Justin Salisbury
Board Member
National Association of Blind Students
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Message: 21
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 18:02:04 -0400
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: [nabs-l] To Helga
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Dear Helga, This is RJ. We just spoke on skype.
My email adress is:
joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com
My skype name is:
smallistbaby1979
Thanks RJ
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Message: 22
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:11:20 -0500
From: Misty Dawn Bradley <mistydbradley at gmail.com>
To: "Ashley and Landon Coleman" <amc05111 at gmail.com>, "National
Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
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Hi Ty,
I agree with Ashley. When I was attending college and stayed in a dorm, I
was supposed to get a roommate, but I wrote the school's housing department
a letter explaining that I need a room to myself because my equipment took
up more room than what a sighted person does. I didn't even have a dog, but
I still got a room to my self on those grounds, so I definitely think that
you would have good grounds for requesting a room to yourself because you
have a dog as well. When I wrote the department, I was able to get
everything straightened out even before the semester started, so I was able
to move in to my own room right when I moved in for the semester. The only
thing I shared was the bathroom with the girl in the room next door, but
that wasn't a big issue for me as long as I had the room to myself, because
I had my embosser, scanner, printer, and other equipment that would have
taken up too much space if I had a roommate. Perhaps you can talk to the
housing department or even the disability services office about getting
these types of accomodations. This may work out better, as most apartments
require you to have a cosigner if you don't make at least three times the
rent, so you may have a hard time qualifying for an apartment without a
full-time job and good credit and rental history. This has been my number
one problem with apartments, as I don't meet the standard qualifications of
at least three times the rent, so it can be particularly hard for college
students who do not make that much, so if you are able to get a dorm room to
yourself, it may be easier to get than an apartment would be.
Hope this helps,
Misty
-----Original Message-----
From: Ashley and Landon Coleman via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, June 22, 2014 4:33 PM
To: tyler at tysdomain.com ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] apartment resources
Hi,
If you are going to a University. Shouldn't your Disability Support
Services department be able to get you a room to yourself? I know that
where I am going here has a system for that especially if you have a
dog. Those rooms are small enough with one person and a dogg. Trust me,
I know.
Ashley
On 6/22/2014 5:29 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello all:
> I'm looking to get into an apartment for next semester. I found a studio
> for $1900 (which is about as cheap as they get without being in a pretty
> bad area). It turns out it ends up to be around $3200 extra than I'd pay
> for staying in a dorm, which is nice but it affords me a lot more room.
> Here are the thoughts; perhaps someone has some thoughts.
> I'm trying to avoid the dorm for a few reasons:
> 1) Last two roomates were pretty rough. Spring semester my roommate (who
> was the RA and supposedly more responsible) would frequently drop food on
> the ground and let O'Mally grab it. He should have the freedom to move
> around the room, so it was pretty hard and he ended up sick a lot. This
> last roommate was polled ahead of time--he was supposed to be comfortable
> with dogs. Turned out he wasn't and he developed "hives" around the middle
> of the semester but didn't want to move. He would physically push O'Mally
> away from him when he got to close.
>
> Our beds are lofted above the desks and you can reach out and almost touch
> the bed across from you. This ment that O'Mally didn't have to much room
> to move around, it's a tight space for two people to begin with.
>
> This next semester, I'm going to be in the same setup room, but it will be
> with one extra room. This means that I'm splitting the kitchen in five and
> not in three. The hardest part about that is I would order my entire
> months worth of groceries from peapod (so it'd take like $110) and I'd get
> $5 delivery, which was cheaper than getting a cab up to the store and back
> again. The next solution would be for me to get a cart and trek a mile to
> and from the store, which is doable. I'm mainly worried about
> winters--winters in Boston can be pretty rough and getting to the store
> will be hard. How have people tackled this, especially in snowy weather?
>
> My second solution which I would greatly prefer to a tiny rectangular cell
> is an apartment. I do not have a cosigner that has the credit for a loan,
> but I'm trying to pull at least $4500 or so extra from what I usually get.
> Are there good resources for something like this?
>
> Thanks a lot for your suggestions,
>
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Message: 23
Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2014 17:30:32 -0500
From: Candice Chapman <chapman.candicel at gmail.com>
To: Shickeytha Chandler <shickeytha at gmail.com>, National Association
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Public Speaking
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Hello again,
So, there seemed to be a fair bit of interest in the whole audio
teleprompter idea. I heard of this from Sheila Koenig at our semi-annual
state convention, here in Minnesota. She developed the idea while taking a
class. Here's a message about the idea from her:
Part of my Writing and Zen class required us to read our writing aloud.
Because I learned Braille as an adult and haven?t developed the kind of
speed I wanted, I sought out another method to read my own work. I
downloaded the app called Plain Text to my ipad. In this app, I can create
documents, and by using the rotor gesture, I can read the writing line by
line. This allows me to use my ipad like an audio teleprompter. It took a
little practice because it required me to speak aloud one line as another
was being read, but it really did work well. I?d be glad to talk with anyone
who has specific questions, or we can meet in Orlando at convention. Feel
free to send me an email atshekoenig at comcast.net
Hope this is helpful for you all!
Best,
Candice
> On Jun 21, 2014, at 8:27 PM, Shickeytha Chandler via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Thanks Lizzy and Rahul! Rahul, I agree that certain gestures and
> visual expressions don't seem to come as naturally to us as to sighted
> people. In my undergrad work, I took vocal (singing) lessons as part
> of a music minor. The faculty gave me some constructive criticism
> about my facial expressions and appearance while singing. this was not
> done in a disrespectful way at all, but definitely blunt and honest.
> They told me that I looked "bland" as I was singing and that I did not
> have any facial expressions to bring life to the music. I was glad
> they pointed this out to me because I then began to be more conscious
> of how I appeared during performances, whereas previously I had
> focused only on how I sounded. My voice instructor gave me some
> helpful tips. She told me to think about the words that I was singing
> as if I were telling a story to someone and to think about what
> feelings those words would evoke and let that come out naturally
> through my expressions. She didn't give me specific instructions, such
> as telling me to smile at a certain point or look sad at a certain
> point, but rather encouraged me to let my emotions become more engaged
> with what I was singing about and express myself accordingly. Many
> years ago, someone told me that facial expressions come natural for
> blind and sighted alike, and I think perhaps many gestures do as well.
> I personally think that the key is getting yourself relaxed enough and
> focused on what you are talking about and emotionally/mentally
> connected with the subject matter so that those facial expressions and
> gestures will occur naturally. Now this probably differs in singing
> and speaking... For example, it is easy to become emotionally engaged
> when singing a song about heartbreak or about love or about a happy
> event. But when you are giving a speech to your Economics class, well
> maybe not so easy, lol. But I think some of the same principles can
> perhaps be transferred. I think this sort of goes along with what
> Lizzy said about being knowledgeable and comfortable with the subject
> matter at hand. My theory is that when that occurs, the gestures and
> facial expressions will come naturally. Again I am speaking more based
> on theory than from practical experience here, but I do know that
> these things helped me with my facial expressions and gestures while
> singing, and I do plan to use some of these same ideas in my speeches,
> though it will be an entirely different situation. So I hope there is
> something that I just said that makes at least a little sense and is
> helpful (smile). I would love to hear others' thoughts and opinions on
> the matter of facial expressions and gestures while speaking publicly
> as a blind person, as I am sure there are a lot of differing points of
> view on that aspect.
>
> Shickeytha
>
>> On 6/21/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is turning out to be an intriguing discussion!
>> I have really enjoyed reading all the great suggestions that others
>> have given so far.
>> Although I'd like to believe that I'm not that bad at public speaking,
>> I have been told a couple of times that I should use hand gestures to
>> convey my points more strongly.
>> I have never done this because, as I am sure you all would agree, this
>> isn't something that comes to us naturally.
>> As a result, I just stand still while giving my speeches and don't use
>> any gestures; this is something that weighs heavily against me in
>> public speaking competitions.
>> Can anyone share any effective strategies that they have employed to
>> circumvent this problem?
>> Someone spoke about practicing this with a sighted person. That's a
>> good suggestion, and I'll definitely keep that in mind.
>> Does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>>> On 22/06/2014, lizzy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Shickeytha,
>>> You've gotten some great tips thus far. Here are a few more
>>> tricks to add to the list.
>>> First, let me just say that my tips for a blind public speaker do
>>> not differ greatly from those I would give to a sighted speaker.
>>> - Always look at your audience to keep their attention. You
>>> mentioned sighted people looking down at notes or a teleprompter,
>>> I personally dislike when people do this (especially when reading
>>> from a powerpoint located behind the presenter) because it is
>>> pretty distracting to the audience. No matter how you choose to
>>> read your notes, you will always have the advantage of being able
>>> to look at your audience while speaking to them (which is a plus
>>> if you ask me).
>>> - If you do decide to use braille, one tip you could use is not
>>> necessarily memorizing your speech ahead of time, but knowing
>>> your stance on a topic and perhaps just writing that subject down
>>> (or even shortening the word to just a few letters), and
>>> explaining your view to the class. Since no one else is reading
>>> your notes, they can literally say anything as long as you
>>> remember what the letters/words mean. There are benefits and
>>> drawbacks to memorizing your speech ahead of time, let me know if
>>> you'd like for me to elaborate.
>>> - Be sure to not only speak clearly, but also use inflection. I
>>> can't stress this enough, speaking in a monotone voice is a sure
>>> way to get people to fall asleep or think about things totally
>>> unrelated to your presentation.
>>> - Know your audience and your subject matter. You speak to
>>> college students in a different manner than you would third
>>> graders which differs from how you would speak to parents.
>>> Likewise, you'd talk about genocide with an expression that
>>> contrasts the one you'd have when talking about something
>>> positive. Be sure to maintain appropriate tone of voice,
>>> posture, movement etc. You'll know your audience is engaged when
>>> they react appropriately to something you've said. For example,
>>> when you tell an anecdote, they respond with ooos and ahs, awws,
>>> laughs/chuckles- whatever's appropriate. If you hear a lot of
>>> movement (stretching, looking for a clock, checking phones,
>>> etc.), or excessive coughing (when it's not flu season), you know
>>> you've lost your audience and it's time to take a more upbeat
>>> approach.
>>> - Finally, and this is the most important tip of all in my
>>> opinion. Be yourself. If you're not a funny person, don't force
>>> it. If you're not comfortable moving around, just maintain good
>>> posture in one area. As Joe said, these things need to look
>>> natural, so do whatever you feel most comfortable with. If you
>>> would like to learn about gestures, movement etc. then by all
>>> means, do so! It makes for a great presentation, but don't force
>>> anything.
>>> Please let me know if you'd like for me to elaborate on specific
>>> topics! I would be more than happy to do so.
>>> Hope this helps,
>>> Lizzy
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