[nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB

Peter Donahue pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com
Mon Mar 31 00:06:31 UTC 2014


Good evening everyone,

    It's also the reason why the blind community would be better off without 
fence sitters too.

Peter Donahue


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "RJ Sandefur" <joltingjacksandefur at gmail.com>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB


> Sir, that's why I'm not a member of either organization! Both of you gripe 
> and complaine and both organizations why the blind have a seventy percent 
> unemployment rate! RJ Sandefur
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Michael Capelle" <michael.capelle at frontier.com>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB
>
>
>> as a member of ACB, peter, you are sadly mistaken, as most of you NFB 
>> people are, you sit and bitch, bitch about how ACB is trash, how ACB does 
>> this and that, as a proud member of ACB, we do not sit and bash NFB, we 
>> dont sit and call your president a dictator, even though my personal 
>> opinion, is that he is, how if someone doesn't agree with nfb philosophy, 
>> you shun them and kick them to the curb as if they are junk, calling 
>> people traders and the like to boost your ego does not and will not 
>> achieve anything, you are the sad depressed people who need to see the 
>> light or are you just to blind to see the light?
>> Lets take a trip back in time if we may, to the year 2000.  ACB held 
>> there conference/convention in DesMoines.  Durring the convention, ACB 
>> President Chris Grey and other members were treated pourly.  Based on 
>> what I have been told,, you nfb people treated acb like we were the 
>> plague.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- 
>> From: Jamie Principato
>> Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2014 4:05 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Success and Why I Left the NFB
>>
>> This is exactly the problem I have with the way some within the 
>> organization play the political game. The feud with the ACB is nothing 
>> but a distraction. It's a tool to give a cub set of members something to 
>> rally behind, because nothing says "I'm a dedicated member of the 
>> in-group" like sharing a common out-group rival.
>>
>> And why do you need a computer with internet connection for verification, 
>> simply to be a respectful individual and hear a colleague's proposal? 
>> Stating that you run a company is not by any means sufficient to scam 
>> anyone. And you can always check when you get home if you're so inclined, 
>> but to turn them away entirely and claim it is because your laptop isn't 
>> handy makes me suspect another motive for turning away a member of the 
>> out-group.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 30, 2014, at 2:47 PM, "Peter Donahue" <pdonahue2 at satx.rr.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Good afternoon everyone,
>>>
>>>   I have a few thoughts on this thread. First no one likes anyone who 
>>> runs from a fight. Health, work, and other issues can get in the way of 
>>> serving in the organization but there are other ways to stay involved. 
>>> People are only pushed to the side is they believe they are and don't 
>>> find other ways to stay involved. They become lion prey rather than 
>>> becoming or remaining lion chasers.
>>>
>>>   The shunning we've seen is of those who lack blindness skills being 
>>> offered the opportunity to learn them from those who just happen to be 
>>> NFB members. My advice to such individuals is that of Judge Judy "Get 
>>> over it!" If learning to use a computer, honing your Braille skills, 
>>> becoming a better traveler will help you become more independent and 
>>> create new career opportunities for God sakes except their offers of 
>>> help regardless of whose camp they come from.
>>>
>>>   As for this whole NFB VS ACB junk particularly when ACB members like 
>>> to bring up stuff that happened 50 or 60 years ago they have been served 
>>> notice from us that such conversations are off limits and they would do 
>>> well to "Get over it" and that we're not interested in hearing it. On a 
>>> few occasions we had several of them removed from our home due to the 
>>> conversation getting out-of-control. And it didn't bother us to see them 
>>> pay a $50 cab fare to get home to teach them that continuing to engage 
>>> in this kind of non-productive garbage can become a very expensive 
>>> proposition.
>>>
>>>   On several occasions our chapter exhibited at a local resource fair 
>>> for those with low vision. Both NFB and ACB had booths at this event. 
>>> Some of us went by the ACB table to say hello. At no time did we attempt 
>>> to harm their display or interfear with their activities in any way. 
>>> They did not return the favor. One year several of their members tried 
>>> to knock over our table which had a number of expensive notetakers on 
>>> it. Our president at the time should have had the backbone to notify 
>>> show officials and have them removed from the event but didn't. On 
>>> another occasion one of these ACB folks tried to tell us he was the 
>>> president of a new company we may be interested in learning about. Since 
>>> we did not have a laptop with an Internet connection present to verify 
>>> his story or not we were unable to do anything about it. Had we searched 
>>> for the name of his company and found no reference to it online it's 
>>> possible we could have had him kicked out for promoting a scam during 
>>> the expo. By now you know that we have no patience with those who 
>>> misrepresent themselves by atempting to promote a fraudulant company or 
>>> engage in destructive behavior. The individual I referred to in this 
>>> paragraph has served as the Alamo Council of the Blind's President.
>>>
>>> On the other hand if they wish to learn about various programs and 
>>> services offered by the federation, learn about the BELL Program for 
>>> example, our STEM Initiative, or if they would like an opportunity to 
>>> ride in a car driven by a blind driver we're game for the conversation. 
>>> Yes I know this is rather heavy-handed but there's some history behind 
>>> why we've taken such a hard line with these people. It can be best 
>>> summarized in a paraphraise of some words of a song by the late Stompin 
>>> Tom Conners:
>>> "That there may never elsewhere be,
>>> Another Philadelphia tragedy,
>>> Another philadelphia tragety."
>>>
>>>   The words above refer to an insident I and several other individuals 
>>> were involved in during our 2001 Convention in Philadelphia 
>>> Pennsylvania. Disagreements and philosophies among organizations of the 
>>> blind helped lead up to this incident. Since taking such a hard stance 
>>> against those who have nothing better to do than to run away from 
>>> battles, sit on fences, etc there has never been another incident of 
>>> that kind involving us. We had a close call in 2012 but heeded the 
>>> warning signs and took action prior to that year's national convention 
>>> to fend it off. Thanks to our alertness that national convention went 
>>> without a hitch.
>>>
>>>   Another thing that disturbs us is the ACB's attempts to undermind our 
>>> programs and activities in some states. Did anyone tell them that this 
>>> is America and they're free to establish programs and operate them as 
>>> they see fit instead of attempting to scuttle the hard work of 
>>> others?They attempted to quash NFB Newsline in a few states. If they 
>>> didn't like the way the Newsline Program operates they're free to begin 
>>> a similar program and operate it as they choose. Fortunately since we 
>>> now host The Braille Forum I would hope it's got them thinking twice 
>>> about that one.
>>>
>>>   One thing that could help bring about greater unity in the blind 
>>> community is if more agency directors had more backbone and laid out to 
>>> all potential partners for a program they're considering the criteria 
>>> these partners will need to satisfy for consideration instead of feeling 
>>> like they need to be all things to all consumer groups of the blind. 
>>> Again this is America and we're a free enterprise society. If someone 
>>> wishes to be considered to assist with a program or to help fill a need 
>>> they need to meet the criteria for consideration. For example if a host 
>>> agency decides that immersion training is to be used in the operation of 
>>> a particular program or service anyone wishing to partner with this 
>>> agency will need to endorse immersion training or they will not be 
>>> considered as a venture partner. Thus if ACB wants to be a partner in 
>>> the operation of a program or service offered by a blindness agency that 
>>> chooses to use immersion training they'll need to over hall their 
>>> philosophy and adopt immersion training as a viable way to operate a 
>>> program. If they're unwilling to do that they will be filtered and would 
>>> do well not to complain that they were left out of consideration and 
>>> would do well to refrain from trying to undermind the activities of such 
>>> an agency because they were unwilling to adapt their approach and 
>>> philosophy to meet changing conditions and needs of the blind. Again we 
>>> have no patience with losers according to our standards!
>>>
>>>   As for Joe's point about fundraising part of this one can be traced to 
>>> the approach to career planning taken by many in the field including the 
>>> NFB. We hear it every day about how unstable the job market has become 
>>> yet we still tell people to go to school, get good grades, and you'll 
>>> land that dream job when we should be taking it a step farther and urge 
>>> blind individuals, parents, and educators of blind children  to develop 
>>> multiple income channels should something happen to your primary income 
>>> source and so you will have the funds to support causes such as the 
>>> activities of the NFB. We're currently working with the mother of a 
>>> blind child in our area to encourage her to do this so she will be 
>>> bettter able to meet her blind child's needs as she progresses through 
>>> school and college and to have financial resources that will last her 
>>> for her entire life instead of just 40 or 50 years of it if even that 
>>> given the high unemployment rate we face.
>>>
>>>   And let's not forget aboutthe the high cost of technology, and the 
>>> refusal of the so-called blindness professionals to teach blind children 
>>> and adults such valuable skills as Braille and cane travel to name a 
>>> few. The NFB needs to urge blind persons and parents of blind children 
>>> to develop multiple income sources so in the event that a school 
>>> district is unwilling to teach a blind kid Braille no problem. They can 
>>> hire someone to teach them privately and perhaps provide a job for 
>>> another blind individual. If necessary they could home-school their 
>>> blind child and give him/her an education far superior to that offered 
>>> in many public schools. Likewise if a state agency refuses to fund a 
>>> blind person to attend one of our centers since we urged them and their 
>>> families to create ,multiple income streams they could pay for it 
>>> themselves and to Hell with the rehab system. The more financial 
>>> resources you have at your disposal that you can control the better you 
>>> can provide for your blind child or fund the training you yourself wish 
>>> to obtain.
>>>
>>>   We attend regular information sessions related to one of our ventures. 
>>> Each week we see many college students at these meetings. They're 
>>> heeding the advice of those telling them not to put all of their eggs in 
>>> one basket. These young folks most often referred to as Generation Y or 
>>> Gen-Y for short understand the value of this advice and are creating 
>>> multiple income streams for themselves should something happen to them 
>>> or their career job. Individuals 30 years of age and under are 
>>> considered to be a part of Gen-Y. Like their sighted Gen-Y counterparts 
>>> blind individuals should be as intelligent. Consumer organizations of 
>>> the blind need to become more agressive in this respect and urge blind 
>>> persons and their families to do likewise.
>>>
>>>
>>>      Mary and I have been around professional networking for years. In 
>>> the late 1970s a blind individual and his wife became very successful in 
>>> a well-known direct selling business achieving an extremely high level 
>>> of success. Back then there were no smart phones, no direct delivery of 
>>> the products in question to his home as there is now, no Internet 
>>> portals in which one can transact business, yet this individual and his 
>>> wife built an empire using this concept. The online resources I'm 
>>> speaking of our accessible and usable by blind entrepreneurs. We have 
>>> worked closely with the company in question to insure that this is so 
>>> and they have greatly appreciated our assistance. Given his success one 
>>> would think other blind individuals would have followed his lead in 
>>> large numbers given the technology and services now available to those 
>>> persuing careers in the direct selling industry. We find this state of 
>>> affairs sad and shameful! This is something that can change in the years 
>>> ahead. It's not too late. Anyone wanting more information about such 
>>> opportunities is strongly advised to seek it from credible sources such 
>>> as attending a meeting like the one mentioned above. Some of our NFB 
>>> Lists have been used to spread information concerning particular 
>>> companies that is inaccurate, false, and misleading. We're neither 
>>> talking about your grandmother's business opportunity or NFB.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   If the NFB wishes to have increased financial support it needs to 
>>> change the advice it gives to its members and others with respect to 
>>> career options and advise blind consumers to create an income to last 
>>> them a lifetime not just for 50 years of it only to end upon skid row 
>>> when those years are over. It needs to give the kind of career advice 
>>> that will allow its members and others to have the resources needed to 
>>> support its programs and to allow blind individuals to maintain a 
>>> deasent quality of life.  Now I believe I'm spent. All the best 
>>> everyone.
>>>
>>> Peter Donahue
>>>
>>>
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