From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Nov  2 00:19:33 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 20:19:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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When I feel like, I use those accessible machines. I don't usually vote. It really does not matter who is in office, they only serve personal interests, including their election and/or reelection.  Good luck out there on Nov 4!


> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got a great governor's race on your hands. 
> 
> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your local chapter. 
> 
> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most states still require us to have a non secret ballot. 
> 
> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us. 
> 
> Best
> Derek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot box.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>> 
>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 00:54:22 2014
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Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 17:54:22 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines Monthly Reminder
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Nov  2 02:45:26 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 01 Nov 2014 19:45:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Abstaining from carrying out a privilage that many a people went so 
far as to lose their lives, and limb to protect, frankly, to me is 
stinking chickenshit! Remember, people died so that everyone could 
vote. Such a heavy-handed slap in the face, all because you don't 
find value in how the vote opperates within the current constraints 
of the good old
American 2-party political sham. Don't blaim the vote, or those who 
protected the right to execute this civil right. Now, if in fact, you 
are realizing that the Almighty, Republicans, and Democrats are 
actually the very same animal, only diverging on the standard and 
relatively polerizing wedge issues, you may be on to something. But, 
they want many of us to attribute the ways in which one's vote 
appears not to be all that far reaching, with the simple fact of 
their using the Republican-Democrat dicodomy, to divide us. It's the 
system they have that divides  us, don't think chasing the so-called 
Independent party, or even the Libertarian party, will offer too much 
of a difference when,  To me, it's not about subscribing to the Red, 
or the Blue, but about not subscribing to any of the colors 
represented within their system. Notice how, none of the elected 
officials ever truly advocate for our interests. And by that I mean 
all so-called special interests?
for today, Car People ought to be able to lead themselves, don't you 
think?:19 PM 11/1/2014, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l wrote:
>When I feel like, I use those accessible machines. I don't usually 
>vote. It really does not matter who is in office, they only serve 
>personal interests, including their election and/or 
>reelection.  Good luck out there on Nov 4!
>
>
> > On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Derek Manners via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. 
> You've got a great governor's race on your hands.
> >
> > I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to 
> figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from 
> someone else in your local chapter.
> >
> > While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) 
> most states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
> >
> > In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
> >
> > Best
> > Derek
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with 
> speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's 
> directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and 
> answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it 
> out and then just put it in the ballot box.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
> >>
> >> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you 
> guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do 
> visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering 
> since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted 
> before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you 
> guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, 
> of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that 
> next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of 
> Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing 
> your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much 
> and God bless!!
> >>
> >> Helga Schreiber
> >>
> >> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> >> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
> Association of Blind Students.
> >> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> >> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> >> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> >> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> >> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> >> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> >> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> >>
> >> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
> that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> >> Sent from my iPhone
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 02:53:11 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 1 Nov 2014 22:53:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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When I voted in 2012, it was not a separate machine that was accessible. I voted on the regular machine but the card I put into it had some kind of encoding to activate the speech feature.

> On Nov 1, 2014, at 8:19 PM, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When I feel like, I use those accessible machines. I don't usually vote. It really does not matter who is in office, they only serve personal interests, including their election and/or reelection.  Good luck out there on Nov 4!
> 
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:25 AM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got a great governor's race on your hands. 
>> 
>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your local chapter. 
>> 
>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most states still require us to have a non secret ballot. 
>> 
>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us. 
>> 
>> Best
>> Derek
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot box.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>> 
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 18:38:22 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 10:38:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Hi everyone.
So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
and close.
And that left me wondering,
as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
so obviously this is quite a while back.
But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
good, to say the least.
But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
with the braille lites.
And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
displays.
I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
braille display support built in.
And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
to make them accessible.
Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.



-- 
Jorge A. Paez

LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sun Nov  2 21:39:44 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:39:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
Message-ID: <0NEF006P5LIA0Y30@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Jorge and all,

I also attend NYISE and find shall to be a very good school.  I 
know exactly what you're talking ab; a few years ago I actually 
went to Albany to protest against the proposed budget cut to 
close the schools for people with disabilities in New York.

In my opinion, going to a school for the blind can really help 
your education a lot, as everybody there knows about your 
blindness and truly believe that you can be successful in life.  
I think they do a really good job of helping us with that.

 Unlike other schools where they might focus mainly on the 
blindness and not see the person behind the disability that you 
truly are.
 I know this from my personal experience.  I went to regular 
public school for elementary school and the beginning of sixth 
grade.  I think that elementary school was ok and the people 
there understood about my blindness, but when I started middle 
school, my TVI stopped working with me and I got a new one, but I 
don't think she actually knows Braille, as she had to send a note 
home with me every day to ask my mom to transcribe my schoolwork 
and homework into Braille.  Not only did my mom get tired of 
doing this, but I felt that she shouldn't have had to do this, 
and that it was my TVI's job to get my materials in Braille, not 
my mom's.
 I also felt that in regular middle school, I was being 
discriminated against my classmates and friends, as my teachers 
would constantly tell me to do things I felt I shouldn't have to 
do, such as raising my hand to ask the teacher what he or she 
wrote on the board.  I thought that one in particular was 
extremely pointless, as why couldn't my teachers such describe 
orally what we were studying in the lesson.
Finally, my parents got smart and decided to send me to a school 
for the blind.  So then I started going to the NYISE (which is 
the school that Jorge talked about) when I was in 7th grade and 
began to like it a lot.  I felt that at that school, the teachers 
were very understanding and accomodating of my blindness, I got 
really good grades, and met and made friends with people who are 
blind like me.  Before I attended the Institute for Special 
Education, I have only known sighted kids, and now, I know many 
blind students who live in New York.
Without the Institute, I don't know how I would have done these 
things and become so successful.

So, my overall opinion on this question is, yes, schools for the 
blind are still necessary, as if you don't have a really positive 
experience with regular public schools, going to a school for the 
blind is probably your best choice.

I think that we should give credit to schools for the blind (even 
if you don't attend one) for all their hard work, effort and 
comitment into helping us (the blind) strive for success and 
independence.

Thanks,

Sami.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:38:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?

Hi everyone.
So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question 
which
came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times 
before,
that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's 
society.
A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New 
York
about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state 
budget
and close.
And that left me wondering,
as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, 
and
the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 
5th
grade at a local school and going on to do my entire 
post-secondary
education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & 
Speak,
so obviously this is quite a while back.
But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this 
tech
that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
knows.  For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system.  
Not
good, to say the least.
But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid.  I've never 
had a
Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to 
happen
with the braille lites.
And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share 
this
point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
displays.
I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, 
and
Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, 
System
Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package 
that
gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all 
have
braille display support built in.
And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not 
accessible, and
if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely 
known
to make them accessible.
Granted we still have the applications within those systems 
(Google
apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's 
just a
piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind 
fit?
Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I 
studied
at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the 
time
and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an 
education
to the blind, an education that is now for the most part 
accessible to
us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind 
anymore?
I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.



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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 22:11:02 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 14:11:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Sami and all:
I have no doubt that they have done a lot in the field of education in the past.
And I understand where you're coming from.
Like I said, I was in that school for 3 years, before going to public
elementary school and then doing the rest of my schooling through the
public system.
While I do not doubt that the benefits you mentioned exist, on the
contrary I agree with you on those points, there are 2 main factors
that raise a bit of a question for me.
First of all, is the social issue.
I do not doubt there was discrimination in this case, though it is
done more out of ignorance then anything else on the part of the
teacher.
I know personally how frustrating that can be.
On the other hand though, we do live in a sighted world, and, other
then the school for the blind or NFB related events, rarely are we so
many in one place, so although important in some ways I feel the
school for the blind is in a way an environment which does not leave
us prepared for the real world since there are many challenges, some
of which Sami outlined, which we'll face later on and the earlier we
learn to deal with them, the sooner we learn to advocate for ourselves
and the stronger we'll become as an individual.
I'll also just raise another issue on my own, and its the friendship issue.
In public school, its a lot harder to make friends, specially in
middle school/high school, because most of us, particularly those of
us who are totals (meaning totally blind) can't run around and do
everything else that our peers are up to.
And yes, that can be frustrating at times, but again, its those social
situations that we have to get used to since we'll be facing different
variations on the same themes as we grow older.
Now, to address Sami's point about his TVI.
You're right.
Your TVI should have known braille.
I do agree with you there; that's a major problem.
Unfortunately though, I think that by leaning more heavily on schools
for the blind, we're leaving the status quo instead of trying to
improve the situation.
I'm not talking in individual cases.
Maybe that was the best for Sami,
but if a lot of parents did that, or tended to do that then the
departments responsible for TVI qualifications are just going to keep
on like they always have.
Again, for the record, I'm not saying Sami's parents didn't make the
right decision in his individual case, I'm just using the points Sami
brought up and using them in a more globalized construct of issues
that we face in the public school system.





On 11/2/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Jorge and all,
>
> I also attend NYISE and find shall to be a very good school.  I
> know exactly what you're talking ab; a few years ago I actually
> went to Albany to protest against the proposed budget cut to
> close the schools for people with disabilities in New York.
>
> In my opinion, going to a school for the blind can really help
> your education a lot, as everybody there knows about your
> blindness and truly believe that you can be successful in life.
> I think they do a really good job of helping us with that.
>
>  Unlike other schools where they might focus mainly on the
> blindness and not see the person behind the disability that you
> truly are.
>  I know this from my personal experience.  I went to regular
> public school for elementary school and the beginning of sixth
> grade.  I think that elementary school was ok and the people
> there understood about my blindness, but when I started middle
> school, my TVI stopped working with me and I got a new one, but I
> don't think she actually knows Braille, as she had to send a note
> home with me every day to ask my mom to transcribe my schoolwork
> and homework into Braille.  Not only did my mom get tired of
> doing this, but I felt that she shouldn't have had to do this,
> and that it was my TVI's job to get my materials in Braille, not
> my mom's.
>  I also felt that in regular middle school, I was being
> discriminated against my classmates and friends, as my teachers
> would constantly tell me to do things I felt I shouldn't have to
> do, such as raising my hand to ask the teacher what he or she
> wrote on the board.  I thought that one in particular was
> extremely pointless, as why couldn't my teachers such describe
> orally what we were studying in the lesson.
> Finally, my parents got smart and decided to send me to a school
> for the blind.  So then I started going to the NYISE (which is
> the school that Jorge talked about) when I was in 7th grade and
> began to like it a lot.  I felt that at that school, the teachers
> were very understanding and accomodating of my blindness, I got
> really good grades, and met and made friends with people who are
> blind like me.  Before I attended the Institute for Special
> Education, I have only known sighted kids, and now, I know many
> blind students who live in New York.
> Without the Institute, I don't know how I would have done these
> things and become so successful.
>
> So, my overall opinion on this question is, yes, schools for the
> blind are still necessary, as if you don't have a really positive
> experience with regular public schools, going to a school for the
> blind is probably your best choice.
>
> I think that we should give credit to schools for the blind (even
> if you don't attend one) for all their hard work, effort and
> comitment into helping us (the blind) strive for success and
> independence.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:38:22 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
>
> Hi everyone.
> So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question
> which
> came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times
> before,
> that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's
> society.
> A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New
> York
> about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
> Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
> Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state
> budget
> and close.
> And that left me wondering,
> as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE,
> and
> the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and
> 5th
> grade at a local school and going on to do my entire
> post-secondary
> education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
> And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
> I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille &
> Speak,
> so obviously this is quite a while back.
> But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this
> tech
> that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
> Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
> knows.  For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
> constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system.
> Not
> good, to say the least.
> But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
> Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid.  I've never
> had a
> Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to
> happen
> with the braille lites.
> And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share
> this
> point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
> displays.
> I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin,
> and
> Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free,
> System
> Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package
> that
> gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all
> have
> braille display support built in.
> And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
> platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not
> accessible, and
> if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely
> known
> to make them accessible.
> Granted we still have the applications within those systems
> (Google
> apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's
> just a
> piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
> So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind
> fit?
> Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I
> studied
> at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the
> time
> and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
> but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an
> education
> to the blind, an education that is now for the most part
> accessible to
> us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind
> anymore?
> I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
> interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>
>
>
> --
> Jorge A.  Paez
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
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From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 23:30:56 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:30:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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I think this is a fantastic discussion! I attended the Missouri School for the blind for one year, my senior year because of a sudden move. The rest of my life was spent in the public school system. I agree that it's much harder to make friends in a public school setting. Others don't know how to interact with us so they just don't. Even though this is hard growing up, it's good to get used to this since its life. I'm now in college and see the same behaviors of students. I also feel we Learn social interactions better in a public school environment. I still had some sighted friends and went out to do things with them. I was also disappointed in the academics at the school for the blind. For instance, the seniors were reading novels in English which should have been read in 8th or 9th grade. When I told my teacher I read these books, she seemed surprised. This is only one example. That's my experience but I do think these schools serve a purpose. I don't think it's for the general blind population though. I feel like these schools are excellent for students with multiple disabilities though and do not believe they should be shut down. I do however believe that those of us who can thrive in public school should stay in public school.
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 2, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Sami and all:
> I have no doubt that they have done a lot in the field of education in the past.
> And I understand where you're coming from.
> Like I said, I was in that school for 3 years, before going to public
> elementary school and then doing the rest of my schooling through the
> public system.
> While I do not doubt that the benefits you mentioned exist, on the
> contrary I agree with you on those points, there are 2 main factors
> that raise a bit of a question for me.
> First of all, is the social issue.
> I do not doubt there was discrimination in this case, though it is
> done more out of ignorance then anything else on the part of the
> teacher.
> I know personally how frustrating that can be.
> On the other hand though, we do live in a sighted world, and, other
> then the school for the blind or NFB related events, rarely are we so
> many in one place, so although important in some ways I feel the
> school for the blind is in a way an environment which does not leave
> us prepared for the real world since there are many challenges, some
> of which Sami outlined, which we'll face later on and the earlier we
> learn to deal with them, the sooner we learn to advocate for ourselves
> and the stronger we'll become as an individual.
> I'll also just raise another issue on my own, and its the friendship issue.
> In public school, its a lot harder to make friends, specially in
> middle school/high school, because most of us, particularly those of
> us who are totals (meaning totally blind) can't run around and do
> everything else that our peers are up to.
> And yes, that can be frustrating at times, but again, its those social
> situations that we have to get used to since we'll be facing different
> variations on the same themes as we grow older.
> Now, to address Sami's point about his TVI.
> You're right.
> Your TVI should have known braille.
> I do agree with you there; that's a major problem.
> Unfortunately though, I think that by leaning more heavily on schools
> for the blind, we're leaving the status quo instead of trying to
> improve the situation.
> I'm not talking in individual cases.
> Maybe that was the best for Sami,
> but if a lot of parents did that, or tended to do that then the
> departments responsible for TVI qualifications are just going to keep
> on like they always have.
> Again, for the record, I'm not saying Sami's parents didn't make the
> right decision in his individual case, I'm just using the points Sami
> brought up and using them in a more globalized construct of issues
> that we face in the public school system.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 11/2/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Jorge and all,
>> 
>> I also attend NYISE and find shall to be a very good school.  I
>> know exactly what you're talking ab; a few years ago I actually
>> went to Albany to protest against the proposed budget cut to
>> close the schools for people with disabilities in New York.
>> 
>> In my opinion, going to a school for the blind can really help
>> your education a lot, as everybody there knows about your
>> blindness and truly believe that you can be successful in life.
>> I think they do a really good job of helping us with that.
>> 
>> Unlike other schools where they might focus mainly on the
>> blindness and not see the person behind the disability that you
>> truly are.
>> I know this from my personal experience.  I went to regular
>> public school for elementary school and the beginning of sixth
>> grade.  I think that elementary school was ok and the people
>> there understood about my blindness, but when I started middle
>> school, my TVI stopped working with me and I got a new one, but I
>> don't think she actually knows Braille, as she had to send a note
>> home with me every day to ask my mom to transcribe my schoolwork
>> and homework into Braille.  Not only did my mom get tired of
>> doing this, but I felt that she shouldn't have had to do this,
>> and that it was my TVI's job to get my materials in Braille, not
>> my mom's.
>> I also felt that in regular middle school, I was being
>> discriminated against my classmates and friends, as my teachers
>> would constantly tell me to do things I felt I shouldn't have to
>> do, such as raising my hand to ask the teacher what he or she
>> wrote on the board.  I thought that one in particular was
>> extremely pointless, as why couldn't my teachers such describe
>> orally what we were studying in the lesson.
>> Finally, my parents got smart and decided to send me to a school
>> for the blind.  So then I started going to the NYISE (which is
>> the school that Jorge talked about) when I was in 7th grade and
>> began to like it a lot.  I felt that at that school, the teachers
>> were very understanding and accomodating of my blindness, I got
>> really good grades, and met and made friends with people who are
>> blind like me.  Before I attended the Institute for Special
>> Education, I have only known sighted kids, and now, I know many
>> blind students who live in New York.
>> Without the Institute, I don't know how I would have done these
>> things and become so successful.
>> 
>> So, my overall opinion on this question is, yes, schools for the
>> blind are still necessary, as if you don't have a really positive
>> experience with regular public schools, going to a school for the
>> blind is probably your best choice.
>> 
>> I think that we should give credit to schools for the blind (even
>> if you don't attend one) for all their hard work, effort and
>> comitment into helping us (the blind) strive for success and
>> independence.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Sami.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:38:22 -0800
>> Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
>> 
>> Hi everyone.
>> So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question
>> which
>> came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times
>> before,
>> that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's
>> society.
>> A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New
>> York
>> about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>> Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>> Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state
>> budget
>> and close.
>> And that left me wondering,
>> as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE,
>> and
>> the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and
>> 5th
>> grade at a local school and going on to do my entire
>> post-secondary
>> education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>> And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>> I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille &
>> Speak,
>> so obviously this is quite a while back.
>> But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this
>> tech
>> that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>> Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>> knows.  For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>> constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system.
>> Not
>> good, to say the least.
>> But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>> Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid.  I've never
>> had a
>> Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to
>> happen
>> with the braille lites.
>> And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share
>> this
>> point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>> displays.
>> I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin,
>> and
>> Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free,
>> System
>> Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package
>> that
>> gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all
>> have
>> braille display support built in.
>> And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>> platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not
>> accessible, and
>> if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely
>> known
>> to make them accessible.
>> Granted we still have the applications within those systems
>> (Google
>> apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's
>> just a
>> piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>> So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind
>> fit?
>> Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I
>> studied
>> at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the
>> time
>> and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>> but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an
>> education
>> to the blind, an education that is now for the most part
>> accessible to
>> us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind
>> anymore?
>> I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>> interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Jorge A.  Paez
>> 
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Jorge A. Paez
> 
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov  2 23:33:50 2014
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 16:33:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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I agree.

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From: "Alyssa via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind 
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>I think this is a fantastic discussion! I attended the Missouri School for 
>the blind for one year, my senior year because of a sudden move. The rest 
>of my life was spent in the public school system. I agree that it's much 
>harder to make friends in a public school setting. Others don't know how to 
>interact with us so they just don't. Even though this is hard growing up, 
>it's good to get used to this since its life. I'm now in college and see 
>the same behaviors of students. I also feel we Learn social interactions 
>better in a public school environment. I still had some sighted friends and 
>went out to do things with them. I was also disappointed in the academics 
>at the school for the blind. For instance, the seniors were reading novels 
>in English which should have been read in 8th or 9th grade. When I told my 
>teacher I read these books, she seemed surprised. This is only one example. 
>That's my experience but I do think these schools serve a purpose. I don't 
>think it's for the general blind population though. I feel like these 
>schools are excellent for students with multiple disabilities though and do 
>not believe they should be shut down. I do however believe that those of us 
>who can thrive in public school should stay in public school.
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 2, 2014, at 4:11 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Sami and all:
>> I have no doubt that they have done a lot in the field of education in 
>> the past.
>> And I understand where you're coming from.
>> Like I said, I was in that school for 3 years, before going to public
>> elementary school and then doing the rest of my schooling through the
>> public system.
>> While I do not doubt that the benefits you mentioned exist, on the
>> contrary I agree with you on those points, there are 2 main factors
>> that raise a bit of a question for me.
>> First of all, is the social issue.
>> I do not doubt there was discrimination in this case, though it is
>> done more out of ignorance then anything else on the part of the
>> teacher.
>> I know personally how frustrating that can be.
>> On the other hand though, we do live in a sighted world, and, other
>> then the school for the blind or NFB related events, rarely are we so
>> many in one place, so although important in some ways I feel the
>> school for the blind is in a way an environment which does not leave
>> us prepared for the real world since there are many challenges, some
>> of which Sami outlined, which we'll face later on and the earlier we
>> learn to deal with them, the sooner we learn to advocate for ourselves
>> and the stronger we'll become as an individual.
>> I'll also just raise another issue on my own, and its the friendship 
>> issue.
>> In public school, its a lot harder to make friends, specially in
>> middle school/high school, because most of us, particularly those of
>> us who are totals (meaning totally blind) can't run around and do
>> everything else that our peers are up to.
>> And yes, that can be frustrating at times, but again, its those social
>> situations that we have to get used to since we'll be facing different
>> variations on the same themes as we grow older.
>> Now, to address Sami's point about his TVI.
>> You're right.
>> Your TVI should have known braille.
>> I do agree with you there; that's a major problem.
>> Unfortunately though, I think that by leaning more heavily on schools
>> for the blind, we're leaving the status quo instead of trying to
>> improve the situation.
>> I'm not talking in individual cases.
>> Maybe that was the best for Sami,
>> but if a lot of parents did that, or tended to do that then the
>> departments responsible for TVI qualifications are just going to keep
>> on like they always have.
>> Again, for the record, I'm not saying Sami's parents didn't make the
>> right decision in his individual case, I'm just using the points Sami
>> brought up and using them in a more globalized construct of issues
>> that we face in the public school system.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 11/2/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Jorge and all,
>>>
>>> I also attend NYISE and find shall to be a very good school.  I
>>> know exactly what you're talking ab; a few years ago I actually
>>> went to Albany to protest against the proposed budget cut to
>>> close the schools for people with disabilities in New York.
>>>
>>> In my opinion, going to a school for the blind can really help
>>> your education a lot, as everybody there knows about your
>>> blindness and truly believe that you can be successful in life.
>>> I think they do a really good job of helping us with that.
>>>
>>> Unlike other schools where they might focus mainly on the
>>> blindness and not see the person behind the disability that you
>>> truly are.
>>> I know this from my personal experience.  I went to regular
>>> public school for elementary school and the beginning of sixth
>>> grade.  I think that elementary school was ok and the people
>>> there understood about my blindness, but when I started middle
>>> school, my TVI stopped working with me and I got a new one, but I
>>> don't think she actually knows Braille, as she had to send a note
>>> home with me every day to ask my mom to transcribe my schoolwork
>>> and homework into Braille.  Not only did my mom get tired of
>>> doing this, but I felt that she shouldn't have had to do this,
>>> and that it was my TVI's job to get my materials in Braille, not
>>> my mom's.
>>> I also felt that in regular middle school, I was being
>>> discriminated against my classmates and friends, as my teachers
>>> would constantly tell me to do things I felt I shouldn't have to
>>> do, such as raising my hand to ask the teacher what he or she
>>> wrote on the board.  I thought that one in particular was
>>> extremely pointless, as why couldn't my teachers such describe
>>> orally what we were studying in the lesson.
>>> Finally, my parents got smart and decided to send me to a school
>>> for the blind.  So then I started going to the NYISE (which is
>>> the school that Jorge talked about) when I was in 7th grade and
>>> began to like it a lot.  I felt that at that school, the teachers
>>> were very understanding and accomodating of my blindness, I got
>>> really good grades, and met and made friends with people who are
>>> blind like me.  Before I attended the Institute for Special
>>> Education, I have only known sighted kids, and now, I know many
>>> blind students who live in New York.
>>> Without the Institute, I don't know how I would have done these
>>> things and become so successful.
>>>
>>> So, my overall opinion on this question is, yes, schools for the
>>> blind are still necessary, as if you don't have a really positive
>>> experience with regular public schools, going to a school for the
>>> blind is probably your best choice.
>>>
>>> I think that we should give credit to schools for the blind (even
>>> if you don't attend one) for all their hard work, effort and
>>> comitment into helping us (the blind) strive for success and
>>> independence.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Sami.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 10:38:22 -0800
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
>>>
>>> Hi everyone.
>>> So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question
>>> which
>>> came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times
>>> before,
>>> that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's
>>> society.
>>> A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New
>>> York
>>> about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>>> Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>>> Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state
>>> budget
>>> and close.
>>> And that left me wondering,
>>> as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE,
>>> and
>>> the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and
>>> 5th
>>> grade at a local school and going on to do my entire
>>> post-secondary
>>> education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>>> And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>>> I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille &
>>> Speak,
>>> so obviously this is quite a while back.
>>> But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this
>>> tech
>>> that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>>> Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>>> knows.  For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>>> constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system.
>>> Not
>>> good, to say the least.
>>> But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>>> Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid.  I've never
>>> had a
>>> Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to
>>> happen
>>> with the braille lites.
>>> And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share
>>> this
>>> point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>>> displays.
>>> I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin,
>>> and
>>> Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free,
>>> System
>>> Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package
>>> that
>>> gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all
>>> have
>>> braille display support built in.
>>> And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>>> platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not
>>> accessible, and
>>> if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely
>>> known
>>> to make them accessible.
>>> Granted we still have the applications within those systems
>>> (Google
>>> apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's
>>> just a
>>> piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>>> So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind
>>> fit?
>>> Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I
>>> studied
>>> at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the
>>> time
>>> and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>>> but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an
>>> education
>>> to the blind, an education that is now for the most part
>>> accessible to
>>> us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind
>>> anymore?
>>> I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>>> interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jorge A.  Paez
>>>
>>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> for nabs-l:
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>>> izon.net
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jorge A. Paez
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Nov  3 01:11:40 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:11:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Good evening,

  Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either 
our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional 
opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I 
mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within 
I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree 
that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student, 
then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact 
serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems. 
Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact 
of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind 
people are made of the same stuff!
for today, Car


.
>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>and close.
>And that left me wondering,
>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>good, to say the least.
>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>with the braille lites.
>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>displays.
>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>braille display support built in.
>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>to make them accessible.
>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>
>
>
>--
>Jorge A. Paez
>
>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
>_______________________________________________
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>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 01:19:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 17:19:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Hi all,
This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
intellectual disabilities. I’m not sure this trend is a good thing. If
someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
disability when it’s not. I’ve always wondered if the education these
kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
only blind.
Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
better place to learn social skills. That wasn’t my experience. I
attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
ignored me and didn’t much care how I behaved socially. However, other
blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
trace most of what I’ve learned back to my interactions with other
blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
hadn’t had the company of other blind people, I wouldn’t have had any
of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
I don’t like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
with sighted, blind or both.
That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
higher expectations. I don’t think the schools should pull young
children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
kids’ attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
years. I’d also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
mainstreamed. I don’t support closing the schools down completely
because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
other resources, they are worth having.
Arielle


On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good evening,
>
>   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
> our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
> opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
> mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
> I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
> that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
> then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
> serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
> Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
> of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
> Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
> people are made of the same stuff!
> for today, Car
>
>
> .
>>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>>and close.
>>And that left me wondering,
>>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>>good, to say the least.
>>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>>with the braille lites.
>>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>>displays.
>>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>>braille display support built in.
>>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>>to make them accessible.
>>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Jorge A. Paez
>>
>>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
>
>
>
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Nov  3 01:50:36 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:50:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in public
school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally blind
and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I felt
i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the blind.

I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.

On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
> intellectual disabilities. I’m not sure this trend is a good thing. If
> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
> disability when it’s not. I’ve always wondered if the education these
> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
> only blind.
> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
> better place to learn social skills. That wasn’t my experience. I
> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
> ignored me and didn’t much care how I behaved socially. However, other
> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
> trace most of what I’ve learned back to my interactions with other
> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
> hadn’t had the company of other blind people, I wouldn’t have had any
> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
> I don’t like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
> with sighted, blind or both.
> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
> higher expectations. I don’t think the schools should pull young
> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
> kids’ attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
> years. I’d also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
> mainstreamed. I don’t support closing the schools down completely
> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
> other resources, they are worth having.
> Arielle
>
>
> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Good evening,
> >
> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
> > people are made of the same stuff!
> > for today, Car
> >
> >
> > .
> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
> >>and close.
> >>And that left me wondering,
> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
> >>good, to say the least.
> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
> >>with the braille lites.
> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
> >>displays.
> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
> >>braille display support built in.
> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
> >>to make them accessible.
> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>--
> >>Jorge A. Paez
> >>
> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
> >>
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Mon Nov  3 02:25:41 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 22:25:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
Message-ID: <0NEF00C86YQV9S60@vms173019.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Arielle,

While I agree with you and others about social skills and the 
like, I personally don't think the first part of your message, 
which states that kids who go to schools for the blind have 
intellectual disabilities, is accurate.
I personally don't have any other disabilities besides blindness 
and hearing loss.  I seriously doubt that I have any intellectual 
disabilities, as I have no accommodations for my performance in 
school, since I always get good grades and get on my school's 
honor roll (no, I'm not bragging, it's true,) and there are lots 
of other students who are on it as well.  I also discovered that 
I am unlike most people in that I speak 3 languages.

And no, I did not go to a school for the blind because I have 
other disabilities.
 If you take a look at my previous post, you'll see that I went 
because I had so many problems in public middle school, you know, 
with me being discriminated against and having problems with my 
TVI.  Take a look at my previous message to learn more.
And, my parents don't have low expectations for me at all, on the 
contrary, they want me to be the most successful in life.
This being said, one thing I didn't mention in my previous 
comment is that when I first started elementary school, they had 
to look into whether I should go to a school for the blind or a 
regular public school, and they ultimately decided on the latter, 
as they thought that if I went to a school for the blind, they 
would focus more on the disability rather than me as a person, 
rather than the opposite with a regular school.  Once I got to 
the end of the sixth grade, however, and I faced the problems I 
just mentioned, my parents needed to figure out what would be 
appropriate for me to succeed as much as possible.  So they 
decided on a school for the blind, and I think that when I 
started at the school for the blind, they thought that they made 
the right decision in sending me there, as I enjoyed it a lot.
Also, you talked a little bit about staying there over night.  
These days, not everybody at the schools for the blind stay 
overnight.  They can choose to either go home every day or stay 
over night if they want, but it's totally up to the student, not 
the school.  I personally go home every day and I'm glad I do, 
because I can still be with my family during the week, like I 
have always done.

I hope you understand what I'm trying to say, and I hope I won't 
be punished for disagreeing with you, you know, since you're the 
moderator.

Have a good night.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 02 Nov 2014 17:19:35 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the 
blind?

Hi all,
This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth 
considering.
First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
intellectual disabilities.  I'm not sure this trend is a good 
thing.  If
someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending 
them
to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
disability when it's not.  I've always wondered if the 
education these
kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational 
needs
as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities 
could.
It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who 
are
only blind.
Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
better place to learn social skills.  That wasn't my experience.  
I
attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend 
activities
with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17.  Like others have 
described, I
had trouble making friends in public school.  Sighted kids 
usually
ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially.  
However, other
blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would 
tease
me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them.  
When I
think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I 
can
trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with 
other
blind people.  For example, I had a blind best friend for several
years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me 
a ton
about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from 
getting in
trouble.  From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, 
crushing,
flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people.  If 
I
hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have 
had any
of those experiences to learn and grow from.  I know some folks 
are
very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind 
person, but
I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people 
is
the only or the best way to become socially competent.  The best 
way to
develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be 
they
with sighted, blind or both.
That said, I am grateful for my public school education because 
it was
academically challenging.  Unfortunately, some schools and some
families still have low expectations.  In these cases, a school 
for the
blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to 
set
higher expectations.  I don't think the schools should pull 
young
children to live there away from their families, and I think that 
most
kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to 
a few
years.  I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs 
that could
help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still 
being
mainstreamed.  I don't support closing the schools down 
completely
because I think that if they can help even a few families who 
have no
other resources, they are worth having.
Arielle


On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Good evening,

   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has 
either
 our relative position within the social system, or to 
exceptional
 opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? 
I
 mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance 
within
 I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you 
agree
 that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single 
student,
 then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
 serve people.  As many have said, blind people with other 
problems.
 Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple 
fact
 of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
 Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL 
blind
 people are made of the same stuff!
 for today, Car


 .
So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question 
which
came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times 
before,
that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's 
society.
A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New 
York
about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state 
budget
and close.
And that left me wondering,
as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, 
and
the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 
5th
grade at a local school and going on to do my entire 
post-secondary
education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & 
Speak,
so obviously this is quite a while back.
But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this 
tech
that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
knows.  For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system.  
Not
good, to say the least.
But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid.  I've never 
had a
Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to 
happen
with the braille lites.
And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share 
this
point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
displays.
I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, 
and
Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, 
System
Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package 
that
gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all 
have
braille display support built in.
And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not 
accessible, and
if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely 
known
to make them accessible.
Granted we still have the applications within those systems 
(Google
apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's 
just a
piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind 
fit?
Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I 
studied
at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the 
time
and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an 
education
to the blind, an education that is now for the most part 
accessible to
us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind 
anymore?
I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.



--
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994

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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 02:36:12 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:36:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Good evening all:
I must say, I've also noticed the trend.
There are several points to consider there though.
First of all, most of these kids are treated as blind first,
intellectually challenged second.
This is not directly related to us, but it would be interesting to
know how that assumption is made--e.g. that the blindness is the
primary disability.
The reason I said schools for the blind specifically is because there
are schools, such as the Lavell school in New York City that is
specially designed to provide the environment required for the
academic development of intellectually challenged children.
So of course I'm aware most of these kids would not be able to attend
public school, however, when I speak of "schools for the blind" or
"the blind" in this case I'm talking about the blind, not taking into
account those who have an intellectual disability, primarily because
then the discussion gets a lot harder and it would be impossible to
talk about that on a list like this one since the intellectual
disabilities affect different people in different ways, and cases
would have to be analyzed on a person by person basis. (ASD is an
example of one such group of what are generally considered
intellectual disabilities)
So, I meant specifically for the blind who do not have a secondary
disability or where its mild enough they can coexist in mainstream
society.
As far as the summer camp experiences though, I would agree that
something like that is definitely valuable.
However, this discussion is mostly centered on schools that are
specifically 12-month schools for the blind.

Jorge







On 11/2/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
> every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
> through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in public
> school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
> teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
> miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally blind
> and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
> someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I felt
> i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the blind.
>
> I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
>> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
>> intellectual disabilities. I'm not sure this trend is a good thing. If
>> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
>> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
>> disability when it's not. I've always wondered if the education these
>> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
>> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
>> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
>> only blind.
>> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
>> better place to learn social skills. That wasn't my experience. I
>> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
>> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
>> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
>> ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially. However, other
>> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
>> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
>> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
>> trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with other
>> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
>> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
>> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
>> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
>> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
>> hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have had any
>> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
>> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
>> I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
>> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
>> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
>> with sighted, blind or both.
>> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
>> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
>> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
>> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
>> higher expectations. I don't think the schools should pull young
>> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
>> kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
>> years. I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
>> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
>> mainstreamed. I don't support closing the schools down completely
>> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
>> other resources, they are worth having.
>> Arielle
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Good evening,
>> >
>> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
>> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
>> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
>> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
>> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
>> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
>> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
>> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
>> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
>> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
>> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
>> > people are made of the same stuff!
>> > for today, Car
>> >
>> >
>> > .
>> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>> >>and close.
>> >>And that left me wondering,
>> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>> >>good, to say the least.
>> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>> >>with the braille lites.
>> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>> >>displays.
>> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>> >>braille display support built in.
>> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>> >>to make them accessible.
>> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Jorge A. Paez
>> >>
>> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>> >>
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 02:40:47 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 18:40:47 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Sami:
I understand your point, but with respect to the discussion on the
trend, yes there is a trend of people with secondary disabilities
going to schools for the blind, I saw it myself when I was at NIYSE,
so I know that firsthand.
Not everyone has a secondary disability, granted, but the number of
students with secondary disabilities was on the rise as far as I
remember when I left NYISE, and so wouldn't be surprised that that was
still the case.
Again, this is not a statement against the school, or a personal
thing, so don't take anything I say personally.
I'm only addressing your points from my own experience.




On 11/2/14, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Good evening all:
> I must say, I've also noticed the trend.
> There are several points to consider there though.
> First of all, most of these kids are treated as blind first,
> intellectually challenged second.
> This is not directly related to us, but it would be interesting to
> know how that assumption is made--e.g. that the blindness is the
> primary disability.
> The reason I said schools for the blind specifically is because there
> are schools, such as the Lavell school in New York City that is
> specially designed to provide the environment required for the
> academic development of intellectually challenged children.
> So of course I'm aware most of these kids would not be able to attend
> public school, however, when I speak of "schools for the blind" or
> "the blind" in this case I'm talking about the blind, not taking into
> account those who have an intellectual disability, primarily because
> then the discussion gets a lot harder and it would be impossible to
> talk about that on a list like this one since the intellectual
> disabilities affect different people in different ways, and cases
> would have to be analyzed on a person by person basis. (ASD is an
> example of one such group of what are generally considered
> intellectual disabilities)
> So, I meant specifically for the blind who do not have a secondary
> disability or where its mild enough they can coexist in mainstream
> society.
> As far as the summer camp experiences though, I would agree that
> something like that is definitely valuable.
> However, this discussion is mostly centered on schools that are
> specifically 12-month schools for the blind.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/2/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
>> every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
>> through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in
>> public
>> school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
>> teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
>> miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally
>> blind
>> and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
>> someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I
>> felt
>> i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the
>> blind.
>>
>> I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
>>> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
>>> intellectual disabilities. I'm not sure this trend is a good thing. If
>>> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
>>> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
>>> disability when it's not. I've always wondered if the education these
>>> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
>>> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
>>> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
>>> only blind.
>>> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
>>> better place to learn social skills. That wasn't my experience. I
>>> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
>>> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
>>> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
>>> ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially. However, other
>>> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
>>> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
>>> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
>>> trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with other
>>> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
>>> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
>>> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
>>> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
>>> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
>>> hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have had any
>>> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
>>> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
>>> I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
>>> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
>>> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
>>> with sighted, blind or both.
>>> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
>>> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
>>> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
>>> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
>>> higher expectations. I don't think the schools should pull young
>>> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
>>> kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
>>> years. I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
>>> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
>>> mainstreamed. I don't support closing the schools down completely
>>> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
>>> other resources, they are worth having.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > Good evening,
>>> >
>>> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
>>> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
>>> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
>>> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
>>> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
>>> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
>>> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
>>> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
>>> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
>>> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
>>> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
>>> > people are made of the same stuff!
>>> > for today, Car
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > .
>>> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>>> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>>> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>>> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>>> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>>> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>>> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>>> >>and close.
>>> >>And that left me wondering,
>>> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>>> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>>> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>>> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>>> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>>> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>>> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>>> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>>> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>>> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>>> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>>> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>>> >>good, to say the least.
>>> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>>> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>>> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>>> >>with the braille lites.
>>> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>>> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>>> >>displays.
>>> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>>> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>>> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>>> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>>> >>braille display support built in.
>>> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>>> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>>> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>>> >>to make them accessible.
>>> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>>> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>>> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>>> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>>> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>>> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>>> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>>> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>>> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>>> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>>> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>>> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>--
>>> >>Jorge A. Paez
>>> >>
>>> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>> >>
>>> >>_______________________________________________
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>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>


-- 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 03:41:11 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 2014 19:41:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Hi Sami,
I'm sorry, I never meant to imply that you have an intellectual
disability. I was speaking in general about the schools I've visited
in Arizona and Colorado, and from what I have heard about other
states. But I don't know about every state school, and I definitely
know people with no other disabilities who attend schools for the
blind. I would submit that your TVI had low expectations, or was
incompetent, both of which are good reasons to attend the school.
My point was only that kids with both blindness and intellectual
disability might benefit more from special ed geared toward
intellectual disability than from a school for the blind. There is an
increasing number of kids growing up with at least one disability on
top of blindness. This presents challenges for TVI's and special
educators, but I don't think sending all of them to the blind schools
is the solution. We need to work on creating instruction that works
for these kids and bringing it into regular schools, just as we did
with blind-only instruction in the past.
Arielle

On 11/2/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sami:
> I understand your point, but with respect to the discussion on the
> trend, yes there is a trend of people with secondary disabilities
> going to schools for the blind, I saw it myself when I was at NIYSE,
> so I know that firsthand.
> Not everyone has a secondary disability, granted, but the number of
> students with secondary disabilities was on the rise as far as I
> remember when I left NYISE, and so wouldn't be surprised that that was
> still the case.
> Again, this is not a statement against the school, or a personal
> thing, so don't take anything I say personally.
> I'm only addressing your points from my own experience.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/2/14, Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Good evening all:
>> I must say, I've also noticed the trend.
>> There are several points to consider there though.
>> First of all, most of these kids are treated as blind first,
>> intellectually challenged second.
>> This is not directly related to us, but it would be interesting to
>> know how that assumption is made--e.g. that the blindness is the
>> primary disability.
>> The reason I said schools for the blind specifically is because there
>> are schools, such as the Lavell school in New York City that is
>> specially designed to provide the environment required for the
>> academic development of intellectually challenged children.
>> So of course I'm aware most of these kids would not be able to attend
>> public school, however, when I speak of "schools for the blind" or
>> "the blind" in this case I'm talking about the blind, not taking into
>> account those who have an intellectual disability, primarily because
>> then the discussion gets a lot harder and it would be impossible to
>> talk about that on a list like this one since the intellectual
>> disabilities affect different people in different ways, and cases
>> would have to be analyzed on a person by person basis. (ASD is an
>> example of one such group of what are generally considered
>> intellectual disabilities)
>> So, I meant specifically for the blind who do not have a secondary
>> disability or where its mild enough they can coexist in mainstream
>> society.
>> As far as the summer camp experiences though, I would agree that
>> something like that is definitely valuable.
>> However, this discussion is mostly centered on schools that are
>> specifically 12-month schools for the blind.
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
>>> every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
>>> through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in
>>> public
>>> school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
>>> teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
>>> miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally
>>> blind
>>> and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
>>> someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I
>>> felt
>>> i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the
>>> blind.
>>>
>>> I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.
>>>
>>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
>>>> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
>>>> intellectual disabilities. I'm not sure this trend is a good thing. If
>>>> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
>>>> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
>>>> disability when it's not. I've always wondered if the education these
>>>> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
>>>> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
>>>> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
>>>> only blind.
>>>> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
>>>> better place to learn social skills. That wasn't my experience. I
>>>> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
>>>> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
>>>> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
>>>> ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially. However, other
>>>> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
>>>> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
>>>> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
>>>> trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with other
>>>> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
>>>> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
>>>> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
>>>> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
>>>> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
>>>> hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have had any
>>>> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
>>>> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
>>>> I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
>>>> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
>>>> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
>>>> with sighted, blind or both.
>>>> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
>>>> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
>>>> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
>>>> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
>>>> higher expectations. I don't think the schools should pull young
>>>> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
>>>> kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
>>>> years. I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
>>>> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
>>>> mainstreamed. I don't support closing the schools down completely
>>>> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
>>>> other resources, they are worth having.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> > Good evening,
>>>> >
>>>> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
>>>> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
>>>> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
>>>> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
>>>> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
>>>> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
>>>> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
>>>> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
>>>> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
>>>> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
>>>> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
>>>> > people are made of the same stuff!
>>>> > for today, Car
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > .
>>>> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>>>> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>>>> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>>>> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>>>> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>>>> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>>>> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>>>> >>and close.
>>>> >>And that left me wondering,
>>>> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>>>> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>>>> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>>>> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>>>> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>>>> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>>>> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>>>> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>>>> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>>>> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>>>> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>>>> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>>>> >>good, to say the least.
>>>> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>>>> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>>>> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>>>> >>with the braille lites.
>>>> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>>>> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>>>> >>displays.
>>>> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>>>> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>>>> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>>>> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>>>> >>braille display support built in.
>>>> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>>>> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible,
>>>> >> and
>>>> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>>>> >>to make them accessible.
>>>> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>>>> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just
>>>> >> a
>>>> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>>>> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>>>> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>>>> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>>>> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>>>> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>>>> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible
>>>> >> to
>>>> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>>>> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>>>> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>--
>>>> >>Jorge A. Paez
>>>> >>
>>>> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>>> >>
>>>> >>_______________________________________________
>>>> >>nabs-l mailing list
>>>> >>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> >> nabs-l:
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>>>> >
>>>> >
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>>
>> --
>> Jorge A. Paez
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>
>
>
> --
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>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Nov  3 07:35:54 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 02:35:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Hey! Jorge!, this is Helga! Can you write me off list or text me my friend! 
It's a long time that we don't talk! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so 
much and God bless!
P.S. Sorry all! for writing an off topic message, IAgain I apologize.



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-----Original Message----- 
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:36 PM
To: Suzanne Germano ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Arielle Silverman
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?

Good evening all:
I must say, I've also noticed the trend.
There are several points to consider there though.
First of all, most of these kids are treated as blind first,
intellectually challenged second.
This is not directly related to us, but it would be interesting to
know how that assumption is made--e.g. that the blindness is the
primary disability.
The reason I said schools for the blind specifically is because there
are schools, such as the Lavell school in New York City that is
specially designed to provide the environment required for the
academic development of intellectually challenged children.
So of course I'm aware most of these kids would not be able to attend
public school, however, when I speak of "schools for the blind" or
"the blind" in this case I'm talking about the blind, not taking into
account those who have an intellectual disability, primarily because
then the discussion gets a lot harder and it would be impossible to
talk about that on a list like this one since the intellectual
disabilities affect different people in different ways, and cases
would have to be analyzed on a person by person basis. (ASD is an
example of one such group of what are generally considered
intellectual disabilities)
So, I meant specifically for the blind who do not have a secondary
disability or where its mild enough they can coexist in mainstream
society.
As far as the summer camp experiences though, I would agree that
something like that is definitely valuable.
However, this discussion is mostly centered on schools that are
specifically 12-month schools for the blind.

Jorge







On 11/2/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
> every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
> through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in public
> school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
> teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
> miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally blind
> and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
> someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I felt
> i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the blind.
>
> I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.
>
> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
>> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
>> intellectual disabilities. I'm not sure this trend is a good thing. If
>> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
>> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
>> disability when it's not. I've always wondered if the education these
>> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
>> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
>> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
>> only blind.
>> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
>> better place to learn social skills. That wasn't my experience. I
>> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
>> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
>> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
>> ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially. However, other
>> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
>> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
>> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
>> trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with other
>> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
>> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
>> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
>> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
>> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
>> hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have had any
>> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
>> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
>> I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
>> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
>> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
>> with sighted, blind or both.
>> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
>> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
>> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
>> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
>> higher expectations. I don't think the schools should pull young
>> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
>> kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
>> years. I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
>> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
>> mainstreamed. I don't support closing the schools down completely
>> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
>> other resources, they are worth having.
>> Arielle
>>
>>
>> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Good evening,
>> >
>> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
>> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
>> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
>> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
>> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
>> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
>> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
>> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
>> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
>> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
>> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
>> > people are made of the same stuff!
>> > for today, Car
>> >
>> >
>> > .
>> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>> >>and close.
>> >>And that left me wondering,
>> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>> >>good, to say the least.
>> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>> >>with the braille lites.
>> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>> >>displays.
>> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>> >>braille display support built in.
>> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>> >>to make them accessible.
>> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>--
>> >>Jorge A. Paez
>> >>
>> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>> >>
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From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2014 16:01:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
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Hi all,

I know that the Ohio State School for the Blind is an interesting
case.  I know blind people who have attended their local schools, as
well as people who attended the school for the blind.  My parents were
discouraged from enrolling me in the school for the blind because
others saw that I could thrive academically, and I am thankful to have
had an academically challenging, college-prep curriculum complete with
AP courses.  I do think the expectations of the public school system
helped me be as ready for college as I was.

That being said, I think that a lot of my social interaction did come
from experiences with other blind people.  I had friends in middle
school, but by high school I didn't talk to people much.  I didn't
feel like they understood me very well, or could relate to me, even if
I talked to someone who was also on the Academic Quiz Team, or
Marching Band, or in one of my honors or AP classes.  I would have
been less happy had I not attended summer programs with other blind
students.

That being said, I see two sides to the coin as far as the Ohio State
School for the Blind is concerned.  The graduates I've seen come out
of the program who are around my age are mostly lacking in
independence skills.  They don't have the orientation and mobility
skills that I or my friends who have attended public schools do.
Their braille skills are good, but then again so are those of the
public school kids.  They don't seem to have any extreme advantages in
technology either.  They'e definitely less college-ready.  I can't
speak as a student since I never went there, but from an outsider's
point of view, at least with this particular school, I have to
question the notion that the teachers really do understand that
blindness doesn't have to limit a student's potential, and that the
students are capable of going onto college.  Why else would the
expectations be so much lower than those of the public school kids?
Why else is OSSB exempt from mandatory state testing, including the
Ohio Graduation Test which all Ohio high school students are supposed
to earn a 40% or higher in their sophomore year to pass?  I understand
that those with intellectual disabilities are exempt, and they were at
my school too, but the entire school for the blind isn't dealing with
dual diagnosis of blindness and intellectual disability.  Why should
the students who are fully capable of taking the test not be required
to?  Why should they be held back?

I saw a facebook post that really troubled me a few weeks ago.  As the
president of my state student division, I'm facebook friends with a
lot of students and parents from the parents division.  One mother,
who sent her son to OSSB for his education, said something like,
"Grateful to have a job I can do on the go.  Guiding Joe Blow to his
classrooms.  #SightedGuide."  This status was incredible to me.  You
would think that attending the school for the blind would have given
this kid the skills to travel independently, and that an orientation
and mobility instructor would have worked with him to make sure he
knew where the academic buildings were in advance---at least, this is
what my friends who went to public schools and I did when we started
college.  This mom seemed almost proud of the fact that she was
shepherding her son from room to room.  More than anything else, I
felt bad for the kid.  No college student wants to start off the year
having their mom take them from place to place.  That ruins social
interactions and prevents students from seeing the blind kid as an
equal from the get go.

I am not attacking schools for the blind in general, I'm just noting
that those who I have seen graduate from the school in my state seem
to be behind the mainstreamed blind students.  I do think that the
schools are necessary, because I do know that not all mainstreamed
kids get the attention they need.  For example, we found that one of
our BELL kids was reading several grade levels below ehere he should
be because he couldn't see the print, and wasn't being given the
braille instruction he needs.  He's now attending the school for the
blind, and is getting braille.  Granted, he also has some additional
cognitive disabilities, but even if he didn't OSSB might be the only
way for him to get braille in his case.  I just seriously dquestion
how well the teachers there really understand blindness, and how
capable they really perceive their students to be in the real world.

On 11/3/14, Helga  via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey! Jorge!, this is Helga! Can you write me off list or text me my friend!
>
> It's a long time that we don't talk! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so
> much and God bless!
> P.S. Sorry all! for writing an off topic message, IAgain I apologize.
>
>
>
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>
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, November 2, 2014 9:36 PM
> To: Suzanne Germano ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Arielle Silverman
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
>
> Good evening all:
> I must say, I've also noticed the trend.
> There are several points to consider there though.
> First of all, most of these kids are treated as blind first,
> intellectually challenged second.
> This is not directly related to us, but it would be interesting to
> know how that assumption is made--e.g. that the blindness is the
> primary disability.
> The reason I said schools for the blind specifically is because there
> are schools, such as the Lavell school in New York City that is
> specially designed to provide the environment required for the
> academic development of intellectually challenged children.
> So of course I'm aware most of these kids would not be able to attend
> public school, however, when I speak of "schools for the blind" or
> "the blind" in this case I'm talking about the blind, not taking into
> account those who have an intellectual disability, primarily because
> then the discussion gets a lot harder and it would be impossible to
> talk about that on a list like this one since the intellectual
> disabilities affect different people in different ways, and cases
> would have to be analyzed on a person by person basis. (ASD is an
> example of one such group of what are generally considered
> intellectual disabilities)
> So, I meant specifically for the blind who do not have a secondary
> disability or where its mild enough they can coexist in mainstream
> society.
> As far as the summer camp experiences though, I would agree that
> something like that is definitely valuable.
> However, this discussion is mostly centered on schools that are
> specifically 12-month schools for the blind.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/2/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I had Arielle's experience. I went to public and Catholics schools but
>> every summer I went to a summer programs for visually impaired. It was
>> through our public schools. I had a very difficult time socially in
>> public
>> school. I was teased daily most of my life. I am legally blind so i was
>> teased for being blind and teased for "pretending" to be blind. I was
>> miserable. Having the summer program to meet others who were legally
>> blind
>> and totally blind filled that gap. I am still friends now at age 50 with
>> someone I met in first grade at the summer program. There were time I
>> felt
>> i was such an outcast thta I wished I was going to a school for the
>> blind.
>>
>> I am in college now and I find the social situation to be much better.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 2, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> This is an excellent question and I see a few points worth considering.
>>> First, most kids who attend schools for the blind nowadays have
>>> intellectual disabilities. I'm not sure this trend is a good thing. If
>>> someone is blind and also has an intellectual disability, sending them
>>> to a blind school is treating their blindness like the primary
>>> disability when it's not. I've always wondered if the education these
>>> kids get at the blind schools really addresses their educational needs
>>> as well as a special ed program for intellectual disabilities could.
>>> It also adversely affects the quality of learning for kids who are
>>> only blind.
>>> Second, a lot of people say that a mainstreamed environment is a
>>> better place to learn social skills. That wasn't my experience. I
>>> attended public school but went to summer camp and weekend activities
>>> with local blind kids from ages 9 to 17. Like others have described, I
>>> had trouble making friends in public school. Sighted kids usually
>>> ignored me and didn't much care how I behaved socially. However, other
>>> blind kids not only were willing to be my friend, but they would tease
>>> me and give me a hard time if I did things that bothered them. When I
>>> think about my friendships now and how I interact with people, I can
>>> trace most of what I've learned back to my interactions with other
>>> blind people. For example, I had a blind best friend for several
>>> years, who eventually cut off the friendship, and this taught me a ton
>>> about how to be a good friend and keep my friendships from getting in
>>> trouble. From ages 12 to 24, all my encounters with romance, crushing,
>>> flirting, dating and breaking up involved other blind people. If I
>>> hadn't had the company of other blind people, I wouldn't have had any
>>> of those experiences to learn and grow from. I know some folks are
>>> very happy and successful without ever befriending a blind person, but
>>> I don't like the assumption that interaction with sighted people is
>>> the only or the best way to become socially competent. The best way to
>>> develop social skills is just to have social opportunities be they
>>> with sighted, blind or both.
>>> That said, I am grateful for my public school education because it was
>>> academically challenging. Unfortunately, some schools and some
>>> families still have low expectations. In these cases, a school for the
>>> blind may be needed to provide essential Braille training or to set
>>> higher expectations. I don't think the schools should pull young
>>> children to live there away from their families, and I think that most
>>> kids' attendance at these schools should probably be limited to a few
>>> years. I'd also love to see more summer enrichment programs that could
>>> help blind kids have the social opportunities I had while still being
>>> mainstreamed. I don't support closing the schools down completely
>>> because I think that if they can help even a few families who have no
>>> other resources, they are worth having.
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>>
>>> On 11/2/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > Good evening,
>>> >
>>> >   Despite all this new fangled tech stuff, think about it, has either
>>> > our relative position within the social system, or to exceptional
>>> > opportunity really underwent all that much of a transformation? I
>>> > mean, for you to queery if blind schools even have a relevance within
>>> > I think you said today's society? Hell yes they do! Don't you agree
>>> > that if an institution say, succeeds in helping a single student,
>>> > then yes, it does have a place! Schools for the blind do in fact
>>> > serve people. As many have said, blind people with other problems.
>>> > Are you gonna deny such people access to education for a simple fact
>>> > of it's not squeezing into your model of educating blind people?
>>> > Don't mean to be overly harsh but, remember not to assume ALL blind
>>> > people are made of the same stuff!
>>> > for today, Car
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > .
>>> >>So, today I was thinking about a rather interesting question which
>>> >>came to my mind, and which I've thought about numerous times before,
>>> >>that being, the place for schools for the blind in today's society.
>>> >>A few years ago, there was a huge news story that broke in New York
>>> >>about protesters going to Lavel and NYISE (New York Institute for
>>> >>Special Ed) to speak out in support of the 2 schools, which then
>>> >>Governor Quomo I believe it was wanted to cut from the state budget
>>> >>and close.
>>> >>And that left me wondering,
>>> >>as someone who spent most of his elementary years at the NYISE, and
>>> >>the rest of my term in regular public school, finishing 4th and 5th
>>> >>grade at a local school and going on to do my entire post-secondary
>>> >>education in public schools, what exactly did I think?
>>> >>And to be honest, I don't quite have an answer myself.
>>> >>I started 4th grade with the Braille Lite and APH's Braille & Speak,
>>> >>so obviously this is quite a while back.
>>> >>But I remember in those early years I was shocked at all this tech
>>> >>that I just was not allowed to use in the school for the blind.
>>> >>Yet the lite had its problems, as anyone who's used one probably
>>> >>knows. For one thing, mine kept crashing every 4 to 7 weeks on a
>>> >>constant schedule and promptly deleting my entire file system. Not
>>> >>good, to say the least.
>>> >>But technology has obviously progressed a lot since then, wih the
>>> >>Braille Note Apex being extremely stable and solid. I've never had a
>>> >>Braille Note crash, at least never as badly as what used to happen
>>> >>with the braille lites.
>>> >>And now with the advance of technology some argue, and I share this
>>> >>point, that within a few years all we'll really need are braille
>>> >>displays.
>>> >>I mean we have JAWS, System Access, Window Eyes, NVDA, Dolfin, and
>>> >>Super Nova for Windows--Winow Eyes and NVDA are both now free, System
>>> >>Access now extremely affordable, for about $250 with a package that
>>> >>gives you way more then just a screenreader, and most if not all have
>>> >>braille display support built in.
>>> >>And with VoiceOver on the Mac and accessible versions of other
>>> >>platforms such as Linux there is no system that is not accessible, and
>>> >>if there is such a system, there are now ways which are widely known
>>> >>to make them accessible.
>>> >>Granted we still have the applications within those systems (Google
>>> >>apps for example) which can still present challenges but that's just a
>>> >>piece of what has become a mostly accessible digital ecosystem.
>>> >>So, where do you think, if anywhere, do schools for the blind fit?
>>> >>Note that this isn't a chriticism of schools for the blind--I studied
>>> >>at one, like I said, and they did have their advantages at the time
>>> >>and perhaps still have in certain circumstances,
>>> >>but given that they were chiefly in existence to provide an education
>>> >>to the blind, an education that is now for the most part accessible to
>>> >>us outside of those limits, do we need schools for the blind anymore?
>>> >>I myself don't have a position one way or another, so I'm very
>>> >>interested in hearing your thoughts on this topic.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>--
>>> >>Jorge A. Paez
>>> >>
>>> >>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>> >>
>>> >>_______________________________________________
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Tue Nov  4 16:20:24 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2014 11:20:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
Message-ID: <004d01cff84b$3d2d2c40$b78784c0$@gmail.com>

I have seen both alumni exceptionally advanced in their use of accessible
skills, and those whose skill sets have much to be desired of. It is my
opinion that the most striking difference between students from any
specialized institution and those of public institutions is the development
of interpersonal skills and self-confidence. "Mainstream" students, are
generally more comfortable and sociable in mixed settings because we've
grown up in that environment. 

 

Concerning the multitude of posts about "making friends in high school," .
Does anyone really believe the majority of people spend the bulk of their
day in high school making friends? I know I was also one of those social
outcasts in high school, but after four years of college, and two years of
work experience, I've come to realize about 95% of non-jock people
considered they unpopular in high school. The remaining 5% had inflated
egos. wink wink. That's not to say you shouldn't be reasonably sociable, but
do please be yourselves, don't take social life too seriously. In my less
and less humble opinion, extra curricula activities and organizations are
the key to development of social and professional skills that will be in
high demand later in life. 

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 06:07:43 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 01:07:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] is there any place for schools for the blind?
In-Reply-To: <004d01cff84b$3d2d2c40$b78784c0$@gmail.com>
References: <004d01cff84b$3d2d2c40$b78784c0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaEzdLCmAZs0EthXmf2Lfg__f2eUg+zicMDXRy7yGEX=g@mail.gmail.com>

Right on the social front.  I think an important lesson many of us
learn through minstream high school is that we can do what we want to
do without having peer approval.  We learn to do things more because
we want to do them, not because so-and-so is doing them.  We become
our own leaders, rather than followers, and then if a friendship
happens to form in the process, then great.

I know this is going slightly off topic, but I've found that I have a
much easier time making friends in college than I did in high school.
I go to a university where people are generally pretty friendly, and I
feel like for the most part I have been judged based on my character
and personality more than my blindness.  The only times it really
comes up in conversation is when someone recognizes that an adaptation
might need to be made, and then they are really good about explaining
the problem and working with me to fix it.  E.G, in fraternity stuff
where there are printed materials and using a computer for the
activity isn't practical, or other things like that.  Nevertheless,
I've gone to different club meetings and tried things none of my
friends are interested in, and although I was upset by it at times in
high school, I'm now glad I can stand on my own two feet and do what I
want.

Back to schools for the blind

On 11/4/14, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have seen both alumni exceptionally advanced in their use of accessible
> skills, and those whose skill sets have much to be desired of. It is my
> opinion that the most striking difference between students from any
> specialized institution and those of public institutions is the development
> of interpersonal skills and self-confidence. "Mainstream" students, are
> generally more comfortable and sociable in mixed settings because we've
> grown up in that environment.
>
>
>
> Concerning the multitude of posts about "making friends in high school," .
> Does anyone really believe the majority of people spend the bulk of their
> day in high school making friends? I know I was also one of those social
> outcasts in high school, but after four years of college, and two years of
> work experience, I've come to realize about 95% of non-jock people
> considered they unpopular in high school. The remaining 5% had inflated
> egos. wink wink. That's not to say you shouldn't be reasonably sociable,
> but
> do please be yourselves, don't take social life too seriously. In my less
> and less humble opinion, extra curricula activities and organizations are
> the key to development of social and professional skills that will be in
> high demand later in life.
>
>
>
> Zac
>
>
>
> Zachary Mason
>
> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>
> Northwinds Farm
>
> (603) 922-8377 Work
>
> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>
>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>
>
>
> 806 U.S. Route 3
>
> North Stratford, NH 03590
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 14:45:43 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:45:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB reader
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt1ir=oN95qTyy=RA8ySpZxjDgo+j_X13KMkv+AKWxscxA@mail.gmail.com>

hi all, what is the NFB reader


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 15:10:38 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 07:10:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB reader
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt1ir=oN95qTyy=RA8ySpZxjDgo+j_X13KMkv+AKWxscxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt1ir=oN95qTyy=RA8ySpZxjDgo+j_X13KMkv+AKWxscxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuGvRWgU=wY7B7=PcA4SH41_X=Vtr5vZQJXb07dabGOYA@mail.gmail.com>

Do you mean the KNFB reader?
Its an app made for IOS now that's supposed to be able to scan and
read text on the go but I don't have experience with it so can't say
how good it is.


On 11/5/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> hi all, what is the NFB reader
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:37:34 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 13:37:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My jouney towards independence
Message-ID: <545a6e77.2b148c0a.5962.ffffdef3@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

I have another update to share about my jouney towards 
independence.  Yesterday I bought my ownn lunch in the cafe at 
the UCF library.  Since first learning to use my cane in 
elementary school I have taken it everywhere with me.  Last year 
I took it to Trinidad when my family and I went on our Summer 
vacation.  Each day I am continuing to work on improving my 
independ living skills at home.  I'd like to hear about your 
jouneys toward independence.  I look forward to hearing from you 
soon.


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:47:43 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:47:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I am new
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I am Kayla James and am 22. I live in Illinois. I am totally
blind. I am currently not in school yet. I am trying to get into the
ICREE Wood center for independent living. I have read and heard a lot
about the NFB and have talked to some Federationists.
I suppose this first post is just to find friends and get support and
stuff, if that's okay. Thanks for reading this.

Kayla


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:58:40 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 10:58:40 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I am new
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPtr+2ZYf4DdjtumgpZQosS8aeM2p2Jv_hU4L0O+9GfoVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kayla:
Welcome to the federation, and to the list.
My name is Jorge, from the state of Florida at the moment--I say at
the moment, because I'm applying to a handful of colleges spread out
through several states, so that might change soon.
Anyway, welcome.
If you have any questions or just want to talk feel free to reach out
to me privately as well.
Hope you find our discussions on the list useful.

Jorge


On 11/5/14, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, I am Kayla James and am 22. I live in Illinois. I am totally
> blind. I am currently not in school yet. I am trying to get into the
> ICREE Wood center for independent living. I have read and heard a lot
> about the NFB and have talked to some Federationists.
> I suppose this first post is just to find friends and get support and
> stuff, if that's okay. Thanks for reading this.
>
> Kayla
>
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 18:59:45 2014
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 12:59:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I am new
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a2HWi4L7vKBevMYG9OCXj4V4-j7BZYEx3v03e-i8V5e9w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Keyla,

Welcome to the NFB and NABS!

Best
Zeynep


2014-11-05 12:47 GMT-06:00, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi, I am Kayla James and am 22. I live in Illinois. I am totally
> blind. I am currently not in school yet. I am trying to get into the
> ICREE Wood center for independent living. I have read and heard a lot
> about the NFB and have talked to some Federationists.
> I suppose this first post is just to find friends and get support and
> stuff, if that's okay. Thanks for reading this.
>
> Kayla
>
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 19:55:09 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:55:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I am new
In-Reply-To: <CAMRf8a2HWi4L7vKBevMYG9OCXj4V4-j7BZYEx3v03e-i8V5e9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WVhLBv5sE-nNFaYD8nLaONza42Ac8Pc89U82BB5b_SFgw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2HWi4L7vKBevMYG9OCXj4V4-j7BZYEx3v03e-i8V5e9w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9uOpZvge8py9u2y=KH528TkZzP=GhyBmqtA1_mAFSzz=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kayla.  Glad to have you on the list.  I am also from Illinois, and
I just graduated from the program at ICREWOOD.  If you'd like to talk
to me privately, my email is louvins at gmail.com.

On 11/5/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Keyla,
>
> Welcome to the NFB and NABS!
>
> Best
> Zeynep
>
>
> 2014-11-05 12:47 GMT-06:00, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi, I am Kayla James and am 22. I live in Illinois. I am totally
>> blind. I am currently not in school yet. I am trying to get into the
>> ICREE Wood center for independent living. I have read and heard a lot
>> about the NFB and have talked to some Federationists.
>> I suppose this first post is just to find friends and get support and
>> stuff, if that's okay. Thanks for reading this.
>>
>> Kayla
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:16:37 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 16:16:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
Message-ID: <545a93b7.0202b60a.7791.ffffadec@mx.google.com>

I turned eighteen last week and voted for the first time 
yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a really exciting moment for me. 
There are many methods for blind people to vote. My precinct 
didn't have an accessible voting machine, so a poling worker went 
into the booth with me and assisted me. I really feel like voting 
for the first time was a major step forward in my independence 
and establishing myself as a young blind adult.


From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:25:30 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 15:25:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
In-Reply-To: <545a93b7.0202b60a.7791.ffffadec@mx.google.com>
References: <545a93b7.0202b60a.7791.ffffadec@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8UjPW7ARcnBjBkOUteK9fYkgKNO_4gOf1uzvm0HdL_hVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations!

I voted yesterday as well. This will be a great opportunity for you to
advocate for accessible voting machines in your area.

Where I vote does has accessible voting machines, however yesterday
the machines did not work correctly. I did vote in the Presidential
Election and used an accessible voting machine for the first time two
years ago and it was a very empowering experience.

On 11/5/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I turned eighteen last week and voted for the first time
> yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a really exciting moment for me.
> There are many methods for blind people to vote. My precinct
> didn't have an accessible voting machine, so a poling worker went
> into the booth with me and assisted me. I really feel like voting
> for the first time was a major step forward in my independence
> and establishing myself as a young blind adult.
>
> _______________________________________________
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Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Nov  5 21:32:04 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 17:32:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
Message-ID: <0NEL004ZY55NPBO1@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Congratulations! That's awesome!

 Unfortunately for me, I will have to wait 10 more modnths until 
I can vote, as I am not 18 yet, but will turn 18 next September.

I hope that when I do vote, there will be an accessible machine 
as well.

Congratulations again on your first time voting!

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:25:30 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!

Congratulations!

I voted yesterday as well.  This will be a great opportunity for 
you to
advocate for accessible voting machines in your area.

Where I vote does has accessible voting machines, however 
yesterday
the machines did not work correctly.  I did vote in the 
Presidential
Election and used an accessible voting machine for the first time 
two
years ago and it was a very empowering experience.

On 11/5/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 I turned eighteen last week and voted for the first time
 yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a really exciting moment for me.
 There are many methods for blind people to vote.  My precinct
 didn't have an accessible voting machine, so a poling worker 
went
 into the booth with me and assisted me.  I really feel like 
voting
 for the first time was a major step forward in my independence
 and establishing myself as a young blind adult.

 _______________________________________________
 nabs-l mailing list
 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network

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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Nov  5 21:51:36 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 13:51:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
In-Reply-To: <0NEL004ZY55NPBO1@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NEL004ZY55NPBO1@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPt07=7ntS6VGx_hJ06ZePDBDi2_opZ=O4aM4Lw6fBjOUg@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations!
I voted for the first time yesterday too--I'm 20, but wasn't able to
vote last time because I hadn't registered to vote in time for the
Presidentials.
I voted via the accessible voting machine and was really impressed
with the ease of use and quality of the program.
And I agree, its a really empowering experience when you feel your
voice, no matter how small, is being heard, no matter what happens to
your candidate in the end when the results come out.



On 11/5/14, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Congratulations! That's awesome!
>
>  Unfortunately for me, I will have to wait 10 more modnths until
> I can vote, as I am not 18 yet, but will turn 18 next September.
>
> I hope that when I do vote, there will be an accessible machine
> as well.
>
> Congratulations again on your first time voting!
>
> Sami.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 05 Nov 2014 15:25:30 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
>
> Congratulations!
>
> I voted yesterday as well.  This will be a great opportunity for
> you to
> advocate for accessible voting machines in your area.
>
> Where I vote does has accessible voting machines, however
> yesterday
> the machines did not work correctly.  I did vote in the
> Presidential
> Election and used an accessible voting machine for the first time
> two
> years ago and it was a very empowering experience.
>
> On 11/5/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  I turned eighteen last week and voted for the first time
>  yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a really exciting moment for me.
>  There are many methods for blind people to vote.  My precinct
>  didn't have an accessible voting machine, so a poling worker
> went
>  into the booth with me and assisted me.  I really feel like
> voting
>  for the first time was a major step forward in my independence
>  and establishing myself as a young blind adult.
>
>  _______________________________________________
>  nabs-l mailing list
>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>  http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> an13%40gmail.com
>
>
>
> --
> Jonathan Franks
> Austin Chapter Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> www.nfbaustin.org
>
> National Board Member
> NFB Diabetes Action Network
> https://nfb.org/diabetics
>
> Co-Chairman
> Texas Diabetes Action Network
>
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 01:35:08 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 20:35:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hadley: A Hidden Gem for Blind Entrepreneurs
Message-ID: <002701cff961$e62c2370$b2846a50$@gmail.com>

Hi, I thought my post/review of Hadley's Forsythe Center for Employment and
Entrepreneurship would be of interest to some of you guys. You know, if
you're getting tired of the traditional school gig and have contemplated
starting a business, this could be a good way to get going on it:

http://joeorozco.com/blog_hadley_a_hidden_gem_for_blind_entrepreneurs

Take it easy,

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe





From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 04:16:42 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2014 21:16:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] I did it!!!!
In-Reply-To: <545a93b7.0202b60a.7791.ffffadec@mx.google.com>
References: <545a93b7.0202b60a.7791.ffffadec@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <F30A162A-BAC4-4896-B029-D7561EDB7D98@gmail.com>

Congratulations!

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Nov 5, 2014, at 14:16, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I turned eighteen last week and voted for the first time yesterday!!!!!!!!!!!! It was a really exciting moment for me. There are many methods for blind people to vote. My precinct didn't have an accessible voting machine, so a poling worker went into the booth with me and assisted me. I really feel like voting for the first time was a major step forward in my independence and establishing myself as a young blind adult.
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Nov  6 13:11:11 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 05:11:11 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] My journey towards independence
In-Reply-To: <545a6e77.2b148c0a.5962.ffffdef3@mx.google.com>
References: <545a6e77.2b148c0a.5962.ffffdef3@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.180.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Rona,

10 or so years ago, I became brain damaged after being struck by a 
car. As a result, my brains are pretty scrambled for example, I have 
a hard time with some short-term memory, remembering travel direction 
so, thanks to my mail partner, I realize how interdependence is 
another way. When you do things interdependently, you can be the 
brain while you get someone to help with the heavy lifting (so to 
speak), and that way works the best for me.
Sounds like, while it might be significant if radical independence 
appeals to you, to stretch for those vistas but, you might give this 
interdependence things a try, too. Like, Daddy might help with 
executing some fascit of the trip which will, you remember, come via 
your directives.
Most importantly, however,, try not to internalize not being 
completely independent" perhaps, getting a little outside help. Aftr 
all, you don't wanna be too militant--that's no fun!
for today, Car, :37 AM 11/5/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>I have another update to share about my jouney towards 
>independence.  Yesterday I bought my ownn lunch in the cafe at the 
>UCF library.  Since first learning to use my cane in elementary 
>school I have taken it everywhere with me.  Last year I took it to 
>Trinidad when my family and I went on our Summer vacation.  Each day 
>I am continuing to work on improving my independ living skills at 
>home.  I'd like to hear about your jouneys toward independence.  I 
>look forward to hearing from you soon.
>
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Thu Nov  6 15:18:37 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 15:18:37 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Announcing the White House Fellows Program
In-Reply-To: <E97E8DC64CD5A043BA619EC1FFE5A1F2F92F5D@smeopm04>
References: <E97E8DC64CD5A043BA619EC1FFE5A1F2F92F5D@smeopm04>
Message-ID: <84377b3afde4427aa944c3c0f86e017f@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>


From: FN-WHO-Disability [mailto:Disability at who.eop.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, November 05, 2014 5:17 PM
To: FN-WHO-Disability
Subject: Announcing the White House Fellows Program


Dear Friends,

This week we were excited to announce the beginning of the application process for the White House Fellows Program.   This White House Fellows Program is one of the most prestigious programs for public service and leadership that we offer.  Applications for the program are now open.  Please feel free to forward this email widely to your networks and those you feel could be an asset to the program.

Best,

Taryn Mackenzie Williams
Associate Director | White House Office of Public Engagement
Tel: 202-456-3450 (Main)
Email: Taryn_M_Williams at who.eop.gov<mailto:Taryn_M_Williams at who.eop.gov>


[cid:image001.jpg at 01CFF91A.9523A1C0]
November 5, 2014

"In the 50 years since its founding, the White House Fellows Program has helped prove that those who love their country, can change it. Our Nation needs your drive and talent,
and we hope you consider applying to the program."
- President Obama and Mrs. Obama -

APPLY TO BE A WHITE HOUSE FELLOW!
We are pleased to support the White House Fellows program in announcing that the 2015-2016 White House Fellows application officially launched online<http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows/application> on November 1, 2014! Open season is from November 1, 2014 to January 15, 2015. We thought this announcement would be of interest to you and your organization. Please help us spread the word!

Attached is a message from the President and First Lady encouraging promising Americans to apply<http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows/application>. Also attached is some additional information regarding the White House Fellows program.

Fifty years ago, President Lyndon B. Johnson established the President's Commission on White House Fellowships and over the course of nine presidential administrations - four Democrat and five Republican - the nonpartisan White House Fellows program has become the nation's premier fellowship for public service and leadership. The program's mission is to expose Fellows to first-hand, high-level experience in the Federal government. The program consists of a full-time work placement in the offices of Cabinet Secretaries, senior White House staff, and other high-ranking Administration officials. During a year in Washington, DC, Fellows also participate in a robust education program designed to provide a behind-the-scenes look into the inner workings of the Federal government. It is an extraordinary year that yields a lifetime of rewards. Learn more about the White House Fellows program here<http://www.whitehouse.gov/about/fellows>.

Please feel free to share this message widely with your networks and contact the White House Fellows program at whitehousefellows at whf.eop.gov<mailto:whitehousefellows at whf.eop.gov> or 202-395-4522 with any questions.

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Nov  6 16:55:06 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 11:55:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resources on portrayal of blind characters in film and
	media
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbwcKDD1koED4dOMZbKMXEnrXp212JSKRdnZ1wsxoc2Xg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am taking an English class on super heros this semester, and am
currently working on a paper with a prompt which is something like
this.  "Using one of the four writing disciplines we've discussed
(humanities, social science, natural or applied science, or business)
analyze a super hero's character.  Be sure to follow the writing
conventions associated with your chosen discipline, including
guidelines for citation and formatting."

I was never really into comic books before taking this course, so the
only super hero I know well is Daredevil.  I have chosen to write my
paper on how Daredevil perpetuates false stereotypes about blind
people, but also defies them.  For example, Daredevil is incredibly
independent when he's fighting crime, however one must question if
this super independence helps the general public who might not
necessarily be familiar with blindness to see Daredevil as someone who
defies stereotypes, or someone who projects what we would call the
"superblind" image.  The character of Matt Merdock is also
complicated; even though Daredevil was created in the 60s, Matt
Merdock is braille-literate, able to take care of himself, and is
gainfully employed as a lawyer.  Granted, the general public probably
still doesn't know much about sheltered workshops, but Stan Lee could
have had Matt selling pencils on a street corner if he wanted to.  On
the other hand, since I'm using the movie as a point of reference
since I can't read the comics, I've noticed a few things which make
Matt a stereotypical blind person.  I do know that some blind people,
particularly those who are sensitive to light, sometimes wear
sunglasses.  I'm using the descriptive version of the movie along with
descriptions of verbal content I've gathered from sighted friends, and
though there is no mention of this Matt wears sunglasses almost all
the time.  I think this is probably something the director chose to do
because of the stereotype that blind people would want to hide their
eyes because they might look weird to the sighted, rather than
something that is more sensical.  There is also a scene in the movie,
when Matt and Nelson are at the coffee shop, where Nelson puts mustard
in Matt's coffee.  Matt doesn't seem to notice.  I don't know, but I
think most capable blind people would be smart enough to figure out
when someone was tampering with their drink, especially Matt if he's
got radar sense.  If it is as acute as the comic and movie make it out
to be, he probably would be able to tell how close Nelson's hand was
to him and would be able to guess that the mustard was going into his
coffee and not Nelson's.  He would also probably be able to hear the
size of the mustard bottle, and would know that it wasn't cream or
something one would typically put in coffee, plus the smell which he
is also supposed to be very sensitive to.  This just makes Matt look
pretty gullible and bumbling.  The radar sense is complicated in
itself, because of several reasons.  Since the movie is a reboot, and
crams 40 years of the comic story line into 2003 and shortly before as
Matt was growing up, there are conflicting issues at work.  On one
hand, it is completely ridiculous to suggest that blind people have
better hearing due to compensation for loss of sight, but on the other
there is research which has shown that blind people can be trained to
use teir hearing to enhance their spatial awareness.  Daniel Kish has
been studying flash sonar for years, and has conducted neurological
research which shows that a blind person's visual cortex can be
stimulated by auditory cues which provide information about space.
So, in that point of my paper, Daredevil does a little bit of defying
stereotypes and perpetuating ridiculous ones.

Anyhow, I'm looking for resources, and was wondering if anyone else
has written papers on stereotypes of blindness.  So far I've got a few
sources from my university library coming in on the movie itself, and
something about how Blind characters are portrayed in film.  The
latter article is specifically about blind women, but I can probably
find a few points that can be generalized to all blind characters.
I'm also using the 2009 report on the Braille Literacy Chrisis from
the NFB to show statistics of illiteracy, unemployment, and high
school drop-out among the blind, and how Matt Merdock actually is
independent because he does not fall into any of these categories.
Any other resources or suggestions would be appreciated.

-- 
Kaiti


From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Thu Nov  6 17:07:35 2014
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 09:07:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Resources on portrayal of blind characters in film
	andmedia
Message-ID: <E1XmQXB-0004Xc-At@elasmtp-masked.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Hi Kaiti,

This sounds like a fascinating project! Georgina Kleege has a 
chapter on blindness in film in her book Sight Unseen, which is 
available on Bookshare.  By the way, would you be willing to 
share the title of the article you mentioned on blind women in 
film?

Best of luck with the essay!

Lucy

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 6 Nov 2014 11:55:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Resources on portrayal of blind characters in 
film andmedia

Hi all,

I am taking an English class on super heros this semester, and am
currently working on a paper with a prompt which is something 
like
this.  "Using one of the four writing disciplines we've discussed
(humanities, social science, natural or applied science, or 
business)
analyze a super hero's character.  Be sure to follow the writing
conventions associated with your chosen discipline, including
guidelines for citation and formatting."

I was never really into comic books before taking this course, so 
the
only super hero I know well is Daredevil.  I have chosen to write 
my
paper on how Daredevil perpetuates false stereotypes about blind
people, but also defies them.  For example, Daredevil is 
incredibly
independent when he's fighting crime, however one must question 
if
this super independence helps the general public who might not
necessarily be familiar with blindness to see Daredevil as 
someone who
defies stereotypes, or someone who projects what we would call 
the
"superblind" image.  The character of Matt Merdock is also
complicated; even though Daredevil was created in the 60s, Matt
Merdock is braille-literate, able to take care of himself, and is
gainfully employed as a lawyer.  Granted, the general public 
probably
still doesn't know much about sheltered workshops, but Stan Lee 
could
have had Matt selling pencils on a street corner if he wanted to.  
On
the other hand, since I'm using the movie as a point of reference
since I can't read the comics, I've noticed a few things which 
make
Matt a stereotypical blind person.  I do know that some blind 
people,
particularly those who are sensitive to light, sometimes wear
sunglasses.  I'm using the descriptive version of the movie along 
with
descriptions of verbal content I've gathered from sighted 
friends, and
though there is no mention of this Matt wears sunglasses almost 
all
the time.  I think this is probably something the director chose 
to do
because of the stereotype that blind people would want to hide 
their
eyes because they might look weird to the sighted, rather than
something that is more sensical.  There is also a scene in the 
movie,
when Matt and Nelson are at the coffee shop, where Nelson puts 
mustard
in Matt's coffee.  Matt doesn't seem to notice.  I don't know, 
but I
think most capable blind people would be smart enough to figure 
out
when someone was tampering with their drink, especially Matt if 
he's
got radar sense.  If it is as acute as the comic and movie make 
it out
to be, he probably would be able to tell how close Nelson's hand 
was
to him and would be able to guess that the mustard was going into 
his
coffee and not Nelson's.  He would also probably be able to hear 
the
size of the mustard bottle, and would know that it wasn't cream 
or
something one would typically put in coffee, plus the smell which 
he
is also supposed to be very sensitive to.  This just makes Matt 
look
pretty gullible and bumbling.  The radar sense is complicated in
itself, because of several reasons.  Since the movie is a reboot, 
and
crams 40 years of the comic story line into 2003 and shortly 
before as
Matt was growing up, there are conflicting issues at work.  On 
one
hand, it is completely ridiculous to suggest that blind people 
have
better hearing due to compensation for loss of sight, but on the 
other
there is research which has shown that blind people can be 
trained to
use teir hearing to enhance their spatial awareness.  Daniel Kish 
has
been studying flash sonar for years, and has conducted 
neurological
research which shows that a blind person's visual cortex can be
stimulated by auditory cues which provide information about 
space.
So, in that point of my paper, Daredevil does a little bit of 
defying
stereotypes and perpetuating ridiculous ones.

Anyhow, I'm looking for resources, and was wondering if anyone 
else
has written papers on stereotypes of blindness.  So far I've got 
a few
sources from my university library coming in on the movie itself, 
and
something about how Blind characters are portrayed in film.  The
latter article is specifically about blind women, but I can 
probably
find a few points that can be generalized to all blind 
characters.
I'm also using the 2009 report on the Braille Literacy Chrisis 
from
the NFB to show statistics of illiteracy, unemployment, and high
school drop-out among the blind, and how Matt Merdock actually is
independent because he does not fall into any of these 
categories.
Any other resources or suggestions would be appreciated.

--
Kaiti

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 00:44:20 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2014 19:44:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Can the Blind vote?
Message-ID: <545c15ef.c388e00a.076a.fffff730@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Today in class we had a discussion about raising the uffting age.  
Everyone had something to contribute to this discussion.  As 
blind students, we should be able to vote for what we believe in.  
Last week I voted in the mid-term elections.  It is important to 
do the research about our ballots so we will know what we are 
voting for.  I'd like to hear your thoughts about this topic.  
Thank you and I look forward to reading your responses.


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Nov  7 07:04:31 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 02:04:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting help on Statistics - Looking for an Accessible
 Table of Standard Normal Probabilities
Message-ID: <8D1C870365A12F2-AD8-6CA6@webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com>

Hello,
I am currently taking introductory statistics and recently my professor
introduced Table of Standard Normal Probabilities.
How could I obtain this in an accessible format? Preferably hard copy
Braille...  or would you recommend any other format?
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Miso Kwak





From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Nov  7 08:55:08 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 03:55:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting help on Statistics - Looking for an
	Accessible Table of Standard Normal Probabilities
In-Reply-To: <8D1C870365A12F2-AD8-6CA6@webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1C870365A12F2-AD8-6CA6@webmail-va023.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <B86CDB40-56CE-4B76-A222-22BF36E3DBAC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I can't google at the moment but there's a few websites that you can enter the given information and get the necessary standard normal probabilities. I've never heard of a Braille one.

Alternatively, you could ask your teacher which ones are used for the class and get a list with those. .99 .95 are the two most common. 

Best
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 2:04 AM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> I am currently taking introductory statistics and recently my professor
> introduced Table of Standard Normal Probabilities.
> How could I obtain this in an accessible format? Preferably hard copy
> Braille...  or would you recommend any other format?
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:29:45 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 07:29:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] typing tutor for Mac
Message-ID: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>

Good morning all,

I have been asked to consult with a school district on assistive technology for the blind.  The school district is primarily Mac-based.  I need to know if there is any software that can be used to teach typing skills, something akin to Talking Typing Tutor, which I have used before to teach typing on a Windows machine.  Is there anything like that for Mac?  Thanks so much.


Ryan L. Silveira

From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 12:29:45 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 07:29:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] typing tutor for Mac
Message-ID: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>

Good morning all,

I have been asked to consult with a school district on assistive technology for the blind.  The school district is primarily Mac-based.  I need to know if there is any software that can be used to teach typing skills, something akin to Talking Typing Tutor, which I have used before to teach typing on a Windows machine.  Is there anything like that for Mac?  Thanks so much.


Ryan L. Silveira

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 13:10:14 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 08:10:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] typing tutor for Mac
In-Reply-To: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>
References: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <487F228E-E502-4BA6-B7D1-3D5857B7A350@gmail.com>

Interesting. I'm surprised that a public school district has gone primarily Mac-based. Although we can debate the practicality of this, it would certainly save them money on screen readers. Currently there are no accessible typing teacher programs for the Mac. However, I heard an interview on the SeroTalk Podcast of a couple weeks ago with an assistive tech specialist from New Mexico who had been working on such a program and was submitting it to the App Store at time of recording. Check serotalk.com for more info; I think it was about 2 podcasts back. HTH.

Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD

"The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One Minute Message

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning all,
> 
> I have been asked to consult with a school district on assistive technology for the blind.  The school district is primarily Mac-based.  I need to know if there is any software that can be used to teach typing skills, something akin to Talking Typing Tutor, which I have used before to teach typing on a Windows machine.  Is there anything like that for Mac?  Thanks so much.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 15:09:26 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:09:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting help on Statistics - Looking for an
	AccessibleTable of Standard Normal Probabilities
Message-ID: <545ce0b3.8c648c0a.85b9.74bc@mx.google.com>

Hi Miso you can ask your Disability Services office to braille it 
for you.  They should be able to get a copy of the table from 
your prfessor.


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Nov  7 15:36:06 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 10:36:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] typing tutor for Mac
In-Reply-To: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>
References: <671E4C71-6E93-4325-B9EB-44033EBF094E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D5AB7235-73A7-487E-96E9-BDC02F2F6582@me.com>

Hello Ryan,
As of right now, there is no typing tutor program for the Macintosh. However, there was a person on a mac list that I am on who was talking about starting a program. When I get more details, will definitely pass along the information.
Take care.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 07:29, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning all,
> 
> I have been asked to consult with a school district on assistive technology for the blind.  The school district is primarily Mac-based.  I need to know if there is any software that can be used to teach typing skills, something akin to Talking Typing Tutor, which I have used before to teach typing on a Windows machine.  Is there anything like that for Mac?  Thanks so much.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:03:16 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:03:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting help on Statistics - Looking for an
 AccessibleTable of Standard Normal Probabilities
In-Reply-To: <545ce0b3.8c648c0a.85b9.74bc@mx.google.com>
References: <545ce0b3.8c648c0a.85b9.74bc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC6sEpPWrYgtmnenE4J4Lu7prLsNkk6YXbG=fq2SiG2yA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, there are some websites where you can enter a number and learn
its probability, or vice versa. One of these is
www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs
The table of standard normal probabilities is equivalent to a
Z-statistic table. So in GraphPad, you can go to the third radio
button, "distributions and p-values". Then, depending on your
assignment, you can either go to "obtain p-value of an f, t or
z-statistic" or "obtain z, t, or f from a probability".
If you want to send me your assigned problem off-list, I can tell you
exactly how to navigate through the GraphPad site to get the table
values you need:
arielle71 at gmail.com
There are also ways to get this information in Microsoft Excel. I can
look up the formula and send it to you off-list if you are unable to
find the information you need on a website.
Best,
Arielle

On 11/7/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Miso you can ask your Disability Services office to braille it
> for you.  They should be able to get a copy of the table from
> your prfessor.
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:07:54 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:07:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How young is too young to vote!
Message-ID: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>

Good Afternoon everyone,

I hope you are all doing well.  Do you think that the voting age 
should be raised? There was an article in the Huffington Post 
that said that young people are not old enough to make their own 
decisions at twenty-one.  Yesterday in class we had a debate 
about this issue.  Everyone brought a different perspective to 
the discussion.  I believe that young people should do the 
research and know what they are voting for.  I'd like to hear 
your opinions on this topic.


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:11:35 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:11:35 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How young is too young to vote!
In-Reply-To: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>
References: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvtB+p=Z1QycTah1qZP6sgHB_iWxe_WELd+ChssNkU=tg@mail.gmail.com>

I think the main problem isn't age, its lack of research.
Most people don't seem to know what exactly their candadates stand
for, or they simply vote along party lines.
So, no, I don't think the age should be lowered at all.



On 11/7/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good Afternoon everyone,
>
> I hope you are all doing well.  Do you think that the voting age
> should be raised? There was an article in the Huffington Post
> that said that young people are not old enough to make their own
> decisions at twenty-one.  Yesterday in class we had a debate
> about this issue.  Everyone brought a different perspective to
> the discussion.  I believe that young people should do the
> research and know what they are voting for.  I'd like to hear
> your opinions on this topic.
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:12:36 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:12:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting help on Statistics - Looking for an
 AccessibleTable of Standard Normal Probabilities
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC6sEpPWrYgtmnenE4J4Lu7prLsNkk6YXbG=fq2SiG2yA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <545ce0b3.8c648c0a.85b9.74bc@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJC6sEpPWrYgtmnenE4J4Lu7prLsNkk6YXbG=fq2SiG2yA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJB8O5s5-2O5Wa1ezD8w9-mh0hAYXKSt5TXc8JxucLZw3w@mail.gmail.com>

OK-actually in Excel it is easy to look up the probability of a given
Z-score, which is what you would be looking up in the standard normal
table. Simply type into a blank cell:
=normsdist(z)
where Z is the Z-statistic. I think that is what you will usually be
asked to do.
If you need to go the other way (i.e. you have a probability and you
need to know what Z-score lies at that probability), use the following
Excel formula:
=normsinv(p)
where p is the probability you are given. For example, =normsinv(.05)
gives you the Z-score with a probability of .05.
If your calculations are like these you can just use the above Excel
formulas instead of looking things up in the table. If your assignment
is different or more complicated than this, feel free to write me
off-list.
Best,
Arielle

On 11/7/14, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Yes, there are some websites where you can enter a number and learn
> its probability, or vice versa. One of these is
> www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs
> The table of standard normal probabilities is equivalent to a
> Z-statistic table. So in GraphPad, you can go to the third radio
> button, "distributions and p-values". Then, depending on your
> assignment, you can either go to "obtain p-value of an f, t or
> z-statistic" or "obtain z, t, or f from a probability".
> If you want to send me your assigned problem off-list, I can tell you
> exactly how to navigate through the GraphPad site to get the table
> values you need:
> arielle71 at gmail.com
> There are also ways to get this information in Microsoft Excel. I can
> look up the formula and send it to you off-list if you are unable to
> find the information you need on a website.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 11/7/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Miso you can ask your Disability Services office to braille it
>> for you.  They should be able to get a copy of the table from
>> your prfessor.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:13:45 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:13:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How young is too young to vote!
In-Reply-To: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>
References: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1E7E2455-9928-4DB3-9199-ACAA7C6E0C8E@gmail.com>

I am… Kind of at a loss as to how this relates to blindness directly?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good Afternoon everyone,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.  Do you think that the voting age should be raised? There was an article in the Huffington Post that said that young people are not old enough to make their own decisions at twenty-one.  Yesterday in class we had a debate about this issue.  Everyone brought a different perspective to the discussion.  I believe that young people should do the research and know what they are voting for.  I'd like to hear your opinions on this topic.
> 
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov  7 19:30:27 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:30:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
Message-ID: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.

Best,
Kaley

From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:42:19 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:42:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <71C0C898-4E7F-43CF-AA66-5CB552F60959@gmail.com>

It's easier when the numbers are raised, then you can have an orientation as to where the magnetic strip is. You could always put a label, like some kind of tactile dot or a sticker or something on the card to achieve the same purpose. I see no shame in giving my card to the cashier and just having them swipe it… That's usually what I do actually. I'll usually ask beforehand if it's a touchscreen machine or not… if yes, I'll opt to pay with credit, if no, I'll usually do debit and enter my pin on the keypad. The keypads are straightforward, arranged like the classic touchtone phone, with the enter key usually to the right of nine, Or maybe a little lower sometimes, and marked by a circle. I hope that helps.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:30 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
> 
> Best,
> Kaley
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Fri Nov  7 19:44:09 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 2014 14:44:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <545D2109.5060407@tysdomain.com>

Hello:
I actually tend to like to use debit more than anything else. When I 
swipe, I always just ask them for help where ever I am. usually they 
have a place to swipe as well. I always use credit because sometimes you 
don't need to sign under certain amounts and you don't need to give out 
your pin number. I can also see exactly how much was spent. Unless they 
do cash back for themselves, it's pretty easy to know that they're not 
charging extra for their own pocket. just some ideas. HTH,
On 11/7/2014 2:30 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi all,
>              Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>
> Best,
> Kaley
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-- 
Take care,
Ty
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:48:23 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:48:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <545D2109.5060407@tysdomain.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<545D2109.5060407@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPs=pNUttYETxdNLpWXM92KMd5tg0ZsBEPTWgHVwfaXX_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi.
I usually prefer plastic, because I find it a lot easier.
Yes, you don't have to sign most of the time for credit, under a
certain amount, but even if its over that amount and I have to sign I
usually just ask for help and they'll usually tell me where to sign.
Also, most of the time with debit card transactions, the little
numberpad to type in your pin is still there, even if the rest of the
machine is touch screen only.
I've rarely seen one that is absolutely 100% touch screen.

Jorge

On 11/7/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello:
> I actually tend to like to use debit more than anything else. When I
> swipe, I always just ask them for help where ever I am. usually they
> have a place to swipe as well. I always use credit because sometimes you
> don't need to sign under certain amounts and you don't need to give out
> your pin number. I can also see exactly how much was spent. Unless they
> do cash back for themselves, it's pretty easy to know that they're not
> charging extra for their own pocket. just some ideas. HTH,
> On 11/7/2014 2:30 PM, kcj21 via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>              Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have
>> to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>> and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>> "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tysdomain.com
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:48:32 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:48:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>

Hi Kaley,

 Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty. 
  Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where the card would go.   however  finding   the “ok” button has been pretty difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
  For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what you need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go about the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
 Hope this helps,
  Darian        
> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
> 
> Best,
> Kaley
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:50:26 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:50:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] How young is too young to vote!
In-Reply-To: <1E7E2455-9928-4DB3-9199-ACAA7C6E0C8E@gmail.com>
References: <545d1897.0450e00a.1384.ffffb13e@mx.google.com>
	<1E7E2455-9928-4DB3-9199-ACAA7C6E0C8E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAMsSb7NZ_gM+ESW9-0rysVG-0vj7NG1vOpiam8qnFtmQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
This topic does relate to being a young person but it does not relate
to blindness. I am inclined to shut it down unless a majority of
people on the list think it is relevant. If anybody wants to see the
thread continued, please respond on-list and explain why. Otherwise if
nobody makes a compelling case, let's shut it down.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, list moderator

On 11/7/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I am… Kind of at a loss as to how this relates to blindness directly?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 12:07 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Good Afternoon everyone,
>>
>> I hope you are all doing well.  Do you think that the voting age should be
>> raised? There was an article in the Huffington Post that said that young
>> people are not old enough to make their own decisions at twenty-one.
>> Yesterday in class we had a debate about this issue.  Everyone brought a
>> different perspective to the discussion.  I believe that young people
>> should do the research and know what they are voting for.  I'd like to
>> hear your opinions on this topic.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 19:54:10 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 11:54:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com>

Darian:
On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.




On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaley,
>
>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty.
>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it
> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where the
> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what you
> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go about
> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>  Hope this helps,
>   Darian
>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have to
>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and I
>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do
>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 20:04:12 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 12:04:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyOxE+jV9djDVioqqHOz-7XOacDmo6mPYSkh6SB3b85Wg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
sensor.

I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
and sliding it down the table.

I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
on a touch pad.

I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
corner of the screen.

I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
tactile.


I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.

Cindy

On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Darian:
> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>
>
>
>
> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaley,
>>
>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty.
>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it
>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where
>> the
>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what you
>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>> about
>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>  Hope this helps,
>>   Darian
>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have
>>> to
>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform and
>>> I
>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok". Do
>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Kaley
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Jorge A. Paez
>
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>
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-- 
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov  7 21:42:27 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 13:42:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdyOxE+jV9djDVioqqHOz-7XOacDmo6mPYSkh6SB3b85Wg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdyOxE+jV9djDVioqqHOz-7XOacDmo6mPYSkh6SB3b85Wg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPsfpGKxE9+_8SCcGEu2pfsZRrFHHFvT0gBidHhMQc2N=Q@mail.gmail.com>

I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
touch screen is fine.
Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
when you swipe, that kinda thing.
I find that very useful on my cards as well.



On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
> a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
> not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
> or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
> sensor.
>
> I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
> fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
> my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
> the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
> through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
> sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
> if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
> toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
> the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
> the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
> right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
> machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
> facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
> and sliding it down the table.
>
> I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
> find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
> initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
> ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
> however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
> on a touch pad.
>
> I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
> corner of the screen.
>
> I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
> interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
> shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
> know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
> unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
> credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
> tactile.
>
>
> I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
> There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
> location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
> ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Darian:
>> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kaley,
>>>
>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty.
>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it
>>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where
>>> the
>>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what
>>> you
>>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>> about
>>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>   Darian
>>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have
>>>> to
>>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok".
>>>> Do
>>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kaley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jorge A. Paez
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994


From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Fri Nov  7 23:59:27 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Fri, 7 Nov 2014 23:59:27 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Chance: You May Be Eligible for Compensation From
 Redbox Class Action Suit
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50D808@email.rrlh-sf.local>

The deadline to apply for compensation from the Redbox lawsuit settlement is next Wednesday, November 12, 2014. Claims are expected to pay several thousand dollars to each blind Californian who meets the criteria and fills out the application.

After a 3-year effort by LightHouse and Disability Rights Advocates, blind Californians will be able to access Redbox kiosks independently. The settlement means that Redbox will start designing and emplacing accessible versions of its currently-inaccessible DVD vending machines in the next few years. All inaccessible California DVD rental machines will be converted to ones which have a tactile keypad and talk. This is a major accessibility victory.

Please note: you don't need to have physically attempted to use a Redbox to qualify for the settlement. If you simply would have liked to use it but have heard that blind people can't use it because it is inaccessible, this qualifies. There is no age limit - you can apply for the settlement even if you are under 18 as long as you meet the qualifications.

Read about the settlement at http://lighthouse-sf.org/blog/attention-legally-blind-people-living-california/

Make a claim at https://eclaim.kccllc.net/caclaimforms/ral/Landing.aspx




From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 13:52:04 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 05:52:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com
 >
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.181.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Kaley, and everyone,

I just get the cashier to swipe the dammed thing. 11:30 AM 11/7/2014, 
kcj21 via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>             Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I 
> have to use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines 
> aren't uniform and I can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe 
> or where to press "ok". Do you guys have any tricks for using 
> debit/credit cards.
>
>Best,
>Kaley
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
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From starmy22 at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 18:01:19 2014
From: starmy22 at gmail.com (starmy22 at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 13:01:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPsfpGKxE9+_8SCcGEu2pfsZRrFHHFvT0gBidHhMQc2N=Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com><1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com><CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com><CACUFQdyOxE+jV9djDVioqqHOz-7XOacDmo6mPYSkh6SB3b85Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPsfpGKxE9+_8SCcGEu2pfsZRrFHHFvT0gBidHhMQc2N=Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F356E2A22D1E472EA420A77F1F2DC0AF@JohnSandersPC>

Hi,
I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it possible 
for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille if requested by 
the blind user so they could read them?
I hope to hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
John Sanders


-----Original Message----- 
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card

I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
touch screen is fine.
Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
when you swipe, that kinda thing.
I find that very useful on my cards as well.



On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
> a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
> not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
> or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
> sensor.
>
> I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
> fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
> my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
> the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
> through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
> sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
> if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
> toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
> the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
> the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
> right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
> machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
> facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
> and sliding it down the table.
>
> I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
> find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
> initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
> ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
> however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
> on a touch pad.
>
> I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
> corner of the screen.
>
> I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
> interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
> shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
> know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
> unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
> credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
> tactile.
>
>
> I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
> There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
> location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
> ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Darian:
>> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Kaley,
>>>
>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty.
>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it
>>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where
>>> the
>>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what
>>> you
>>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>> about
>>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>   Darian
>>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have
>>>> to
>>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>> and
>>>> I
>>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok".
>>>> Do
>>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kaley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dsmithnfb%40gmail.com
>>>
>>>
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jorge A. Paez
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
> _______________________________________________
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Nov  8 19:16:09 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 2014 11:16:09 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
In-Reply-To: <F356E2A22D1E472EA420A77F1F2DC0AF@JohnSandersPC>
References: <1415388627.28082.YahooMailNeo@web180905.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<1DD3DB20-427F-46AC-A25A-E1340896A9ED@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPt_45FeD=+9CvhcFkgM8H5s3vf7Ou9wSphEzctAjSFX0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdyOxE+jV9djDVioqqHOz-7XOacDmo6mPYSkh6SB3b85Wg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPsfpGKxE9+_8SCcGEu2pfsZRrFHHFvT0gBidHhMQc2N=Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<F356E2A22D1E472EA420A77F1F2DC0AF@JohnSandersPC>
Message-ID: <mailman.182.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, John,

My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille, 
while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi,
>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it 
>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille 
>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>I hope to hear from you soon.
>Sincerely,
>John Sanders
>
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>
>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>touch screen is fine.
>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>
>
>
>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>Hi,
>>
>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>sensor.
>>
>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>>and sliding it down the table.
>>
>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
>>on a touch pad.
>>
>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>corner of the screen.
>>
>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>tactile.
>>
>>
>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>
>>Cindy
>>
>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>Darian:
>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>>>
>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility     ty.
>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as it
>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where
>>>>the
>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what
>>>>you
>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>>>about
>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>>   Darian
>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I have
>>>>>to
>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>>>and
>>>>>I
>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok".
>>>>>Do
>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>
>>>>>Best,
>>>>>Kaley
>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>
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>>
>>--
>>Cindy Bennett
>>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>
>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>
>>clb5590 at gmail.com
>>
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>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Nov  8 23:19:38 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 17:19:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Chance: You May Be Eligible for Compensation From
	Redbox Class Action Suit
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Is is only for people in California?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 7, 2014, at 5:59 PM, LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> The deadline to apply for compensation from the Redbox lawsuit settlement is next Wednesday, November 12, 2014. Claims are expected to pay several thousand dollars to each blind Californian who meets the criteria and fills out the application.
> 
> After a 3-year effort by LightHouse and Disability Rights Advocates, blind Californians will be able to access Redbox kiosks independently. The settlement means that Redbox will start designing and emplacing accessible versions of its currently-inaccessible DVD vending machines in the next few years. All inaccessible California DVD rental machines will be converted to ones which have a tactile keypad and talk. This is a major accessibility victory.
> 
> Please note: you don't need to have physically attempted to use a Redbox to qualify for the settlement. If you simply would have liked to use it but have heard that blind people can't use it because it is inaccessible, this qualifies. There is no age limit - you can apply for the settlement even if you are under 18 as long as you meet the qualifications.
> 
> Read about the settlement at http://lighthouse-sf.org/blog/attention-legally-blind-people-living-california/
> 
> Make a claim at https://eclaim.kccllc.net/caclaimforms/ral/Landing.aspx
> 
> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sun Nov  9 03:33:23 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Sat, 8 Nov 2014 22:33:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Critical Language Scholarship (CLS) Program
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d007weJxVkUitMih+G19aTFc8ox_ToKkKotcbycpBPVQ@mail.gmail.com>

2015 CLS Program Application Now Available


The U.S. Department of State is pleased to announce the opening of the
scholarship competition for the 2015 Critical Language Scholarship
(CLS) Program in thirteen critical foreign languages.

The CLS Program is a program of the U.S. Department of State, Bureau
of Educational and Cultural Affairs. It is a fully-funded overseas
language program for American undergraduate and graduate students.
With the goal of broadening the base of Americans studying and
mastering critical languages and to build relationships between the
people of the United States and other countries, CLS provides study
opportunities to a diverse range of students from across the United
States at every level of language learning.

The thirteen CLS languages are: Arabic, Azerbaijani, Bangla, Chinese,
Hindi, Indonesian, Japanese, Korean, Persian, Punjabi, Russian,
Turkish, and Urdu.

Please note that participants in the CLS Program are not required to
have any experience studying critical languages for most of the
thirteen languages. Arabic, Chinese, Persian, Russian, and Japanese
institutes have language prerequisites, which can be found on the CLS
website: http://www.clscholarship.org.

The CLS Program seeks participants with diverse interests, from a wide
variety of fields of study, backgrounds and career paths, with the
purpose of representing the full diversity of professional, regional,
cultural and academic backgrounds in the United States. Thus, students
from all academic disciplines, including business, engineering, law,
medicine, science, social sciences, arts and humanities are encouraged
to apply.

There is no service requirement for CLS Alumni after the program.
However, participants are expected to continue their language study
beyond the scholarship period, and later apply their critical language
skills in their professional careers. Participants are selected based
on their commitment to language learning and plans to apply their
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Please note that CLS is an intensive group-based language program.

The application is now live and available online at:
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 Applications will be due November 12, 2014 by 8:00 pm EST.

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review the full eligibility and application information on the CLS
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For news, updates and more information about the CLS Program, check
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 02:09:12 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 21:09:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Hi all,

Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?

As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
credit by paying back my bills on time.

Hope this helps.

On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, John,
>
> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi,
>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>>Sincerely,
>>John Sanders
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>
>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>touch screen is fine.
>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>
>>
>>
>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>
>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>>sensor.
>>>
>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>>>and sliding it down the table.
>>>
>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
>>>on a touch pad.
>>>
>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>>corner of the screen.
>>>
>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>>tactile.
>>>
>>>
>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>>
>>>Cindy
>>>
>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>Darian:
>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>>>>
>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>>>> ty.
>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as
>>>>> it
>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove where
>>>>>the
>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what
>>>>>you
>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>>>>about
>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I
>>>>>> have
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>I
>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok".
>>>>>>Do
>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>Kaley
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>>nabs-l:
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
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>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>
>>>--
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>>>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>
>>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>
>>>clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>>
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>>
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>>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 02:56:30 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sun, 9 Nov 2014 18:56:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
backup is really handy.

The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
store personal information like that.

Cindy

On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>
> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good morning, John,
>>
>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>>Hi,
>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>Sincerely,
>>>John Sanders
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>>
>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>>touch screen is fine.
>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>Hi,
>>>>
>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>>>sensor.
>>>>
>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>>>>and sliding it down the table.
>>>>
>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
>>>>on a touch pad.
>>>>
>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>>>corner of the screen.
>>>>
>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>>>tactile.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>>>
>>>>Cindy
>>>>
>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>Darian:
>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>>>>> ty.
>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as
>>>>>> it
>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find what
>>>>>>you
>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>>>>>about
>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I
>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press "ok".
>>>>>>>Do
>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>>Kaley
>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Jorge A. Paez
>>>>>
>>>>>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Cindy Bennett
>>>>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>>
>>>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>
>>>>clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>
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>>>
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>>>
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 16:13:31 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:13:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
card that I get.

On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
> information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
> organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
> card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
> that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
> card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
> updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
> treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
> numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
> three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
> in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
> can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
> enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
> really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
> to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
> backup is really handy.
>
> The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
> store personal information like that.
>
> Cindy
>
> On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
>> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
>> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
>> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
>> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>>
>> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
>> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
>> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
>> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
>> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
>> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
>> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
>> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
>> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
>> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Good morning, John,
>>>
>>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
>>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>Hi,
>>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>John Sanders
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>>>
>>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>>>touch screen is fine.
>>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
>>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>>>>sensor.
>>>>>
>>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
>>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
>>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
>>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
>>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>>>>>and sliding it down the table.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
>>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
>>>>>on a touch pad.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>>>>corner of the screen.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
>>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
>>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>>>>tactile.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
>>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>>>>
>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>
>>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>Darian:
>>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>>>>>> ty.
>>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as
>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>>>>>>>> "ok".
>>>>>>>>Do
>>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>>>Kaley
>>>>>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>>>To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>>>nabs-l:
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Jorge A. Paez
>>>>>>
>>>>>>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>>>>>
>>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>--
>>>>>Cindy Bennett
>>>>>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>>>
>>>>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>>>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>>>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>>
>>>>>clb5590 at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>_______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Jorge A. Paez
>>>>
>>>>LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>>>>
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> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
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Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 16:38:26 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 08:38:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Aleeha:
Luckally my area has most of them with tactile numberpads.
As far as dealing with all touch screen though, I think Credit would
be a good solution to that, generally speaking.
As far as thesignature guide,, I think that depends greatly on the machine.
I just think its not so much about having cards in braille--because
like someone on here mentioned earlier, once you get your new cards,
the security pin and the rest are easy enough to memorize,
and anyway for debit the only thing you need to memorize is your pin,
but I think a better solution to this would be to do something about
the all-touch screen point of sale devices.
I'm not sure what we could do as far as that goes though.
Also, if you include iPads as touchscreen point of sale devices, which
they use mostly in apple stores and cellphone carreirs, then yeah, its
annoying, but they'll usually be very helpful as far as signing.
Apple Pay could present a solution to all these problems if you have
an IOS device though.

Jorge




On 11/10/14, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
> some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
> devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
> completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
> lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
> but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
> that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
> card that I get.
>
> On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
>> information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
>> organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
>> card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
>> that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
>> card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
>> updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
>> treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
>> numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
>> three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
>> in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
>> can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
>> enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
>> really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
>> to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
>> backup is really handy.
>>
>> The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
>> store personal information like that.
>>
>> Cindy
>>
>> On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
>>> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>>> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
>>> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
>>> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>>> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
>>> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>>>
>>> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
>>> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>>> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>>> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>>> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
>>> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
>>> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
>>> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>>> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
>>> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
>>> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
>>> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>>> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
>>> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
>>> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>>> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps.
>>>
>>> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Good morning, John,
>>>>
>>>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>>>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
>>>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>Sincerely,
>>>>>John Sanders
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>>>>
>>>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>>>>touch screen is fine.
>>>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
>>>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>>>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>>>>>sensor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>>>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
>>>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
>>>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>>>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>>>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
>>>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
>>>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>>>>>>and sliding it down the table.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>>>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
>>>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
>>>>>>on a touch pad.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>>>>>corner of the screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
>>>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>>>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
>>>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>>>>>tactile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>>>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
>>>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Cindy
>>>>>>
>>>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>Darian:
>>>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>>>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>>>>>>> ty.
>>>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot
>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
>>>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
>>>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>you
>>>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
>>>>>>>>about
>>>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
>>>>>>>>> uniform
>>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>>>>>>>>> "ok".
>>>>>>>>>Do
>>>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Best,
>>>>>>>>>Kaley
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>>>>>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Nov 10 17:03:04 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:03:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,

Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case. 
Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card 
can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card 
number and your PIN.
Hope this helps your paranoia!
Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
>I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
>some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
>devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
>completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
>lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
>but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
>that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
>card that I get.
>
>On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
> > information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
> > organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
> > card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
> > that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
> > card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
> > updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
> > treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
> > numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
> > three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
> > in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
> > can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
> > enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
> > really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
> > to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
> > backup is really handy.
> >
> > The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
> > store personal information like that.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
> >> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
> >> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
> >> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
> >> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
> >> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
> >> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
> >>
> >> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
> >> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
> >> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
> >> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
> >> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
> >> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
> >> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
> >> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
> >> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
> >> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
> >> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
> >> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
> >> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
> >> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
> >> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
> >> credit by paying back my bills on time.
> >>
> >> Hope this helps.
> >>
> >> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Good morning, John,
> >>>
> >>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
> >>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in braille.
> >>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>Hi,
> >>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
> >>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
> >>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
> >>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
> >>>>Sincerely,
> >>>>John Sanders
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
> >>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
> >>>>
> >>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
> >>>>touch screen is fine.
> >>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
> >>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
> >>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
> >>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
> >>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just has
> >>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
> >>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
> >>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
> >>>>>sensor.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
> >>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
> >>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
> >>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is sliding
> >>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip is
> >>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
> >>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
> >>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk of
> >>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
> >>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
> >>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
> >>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would be
> >>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
> >>>>>and sliding it down the table.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
> >>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
> >>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
> >>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always wondered
> >>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch buttons
> >>>>>on a touch pad.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
> >>>>>corner of the screen.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
> >>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the transaction
> >>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
> >>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
> >>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide as
> >>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
> >>>>>tactile.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
> >>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
> >>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card aka
> >>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>Cindy
> >>>>>
> >>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>Darian:
> >>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
> >>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the machine.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
> >>>>>>> ty.
> >>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot as
> >>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places as
> >>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
> >>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been pretty
> >>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
> >>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
> >>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>you
> >>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to go
> >>>>>>>about
> >>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
> >>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
> >>>>>>>   Darian
> >>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when I
> >>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't uniform
> >>>>>>>>and
> >>>>>>>>I
> >>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
> >>>>>>>> "ok".
> >>>>>>>>Do
> >>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Best,
> >>>>>>>>Kaley
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 17:05:55 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 09:05:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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I disagree on your second point.
They've never asked me that info, even when I end up giving them the
card to swipe.
And anyway, as long as they swipe it or I do it, either way don't they
get the infoshowing up on the screen?




On 11/10/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,
>
> Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case.
> Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card
> can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card
> number and your PIN.
> Hope this helps your paranoia!
> Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
>>I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
>>some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
>>devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
>>completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
>>lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
>>but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
>>that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
>>card that I get.
>>
>>On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
>> > information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
>> > organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
>> > card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
>> > that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
>> > card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
>> > updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
>> > treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
>> > numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
>> > three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
>> > in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
>> > can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
>> > enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
>> > really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
>> > to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
>> > backup is really handy.
>> >
>> > The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
>> > store personal information like that.
>> >
>> > Cindy
>> >
>> > On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to have
>> >> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>> >> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the credit
>> >> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
>> >> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>> >> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
>> >> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>> >>
>> >> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
>> >> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>> >> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>> >> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>> >> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.   I
>> >> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
>> >> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
>> >> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>> >> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
>> >> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right, etc,
>> >> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
>> >> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>> >> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
>> >> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
>> >> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>> >> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>> >>
>> >> Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> Good morning, John,
>> >>>
>> >>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>> >>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in
>> >>> braille.
>> >>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>>Hi,
>> >>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>> >>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>> >>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>> >>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>> >>>>Sincerely,
>> >>>>John Sanders
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>> >>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>> >>>> list
>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>> >>>>touch screen is fine.
>> >>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>> >>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>> >>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>> >>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>> >>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>Hi,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just
>> >>>>> has
>> >>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>> >>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus passes
>> >>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>> >>>>>sensor.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>> >>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always slide
>> >>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>> >>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is
>> >>>>> sliding
>> >>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip
>> >>>>> is
>> >>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For example,
>> >>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip facing
>> >>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk
>> >>>>> of
>> >>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>> >>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>> >>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>> >>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would
>> >>>>> be
>> >>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a table
>> >>>>>and sliding it down the table.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>> >>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>> >>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you could
>> >>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always
>> >>>>> wondered
>> >>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch
>> >>>>> buttons
>> >>>>>on a touch pad.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>> >>>>>corner of the screen.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>> >>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the
>> >>>>> transaction
>> >>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>> >>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a signature
>> >>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide
>> >>>>> as
>> >>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>> >>>>>tactile.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for it!
>> >>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>> >>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card
>> >>>>> aka
>> >>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Cindy
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>Darian:
>> >>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has a
>> >>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the
>> >>>>>> machine.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>> >>>>>>> ty.
>> >>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader slot
>> >>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places
>> >>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>> >>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>>the
>> >>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been
>> >>>>>>> pretty
>> >>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>> >>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
>> >>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>you
>> >>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to
>> >>>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>>about
>> >>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>> >>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>> >>>>>>>   Darian
>> >>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>>wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Hi all,
>> >>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>to
>> >>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
>> >>>>>>>> uniform
>> >>>>>>>>and
>> >>>>>>>>I
>> >>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>> >>>>>>>> "ok".
>> >>>>>>>>Do
>> >>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>Best,
>> >>>>>>>>Kaley
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>> >>>>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>> >>>>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
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>> > Human Centered Design and Engineering
>> >
>> > Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 17:45:03 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:45:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] independence centers near me
Message-ID: <000001cffd0e$0f9339b0$2eb9ad10$@com>

Is there someone in this group from Illinois who is in the NFB who can help
me? I did not get into the ICREE Wood center. Does anyone have any
suggestions for me. Please, I need help.

 

Kayla

 

P.S.: Thank you.

 

 


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 17:52:33 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 12:52:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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I do not believe that the cashier can see your pin on their screen
unless you specifically give it to them verbally. My card, as many
others do, funcions both as debit and credit. So, yes, I feel
uncomfortable handing it to some random stranger to scan. If sighted
people can complete their transactions securely and independently, why
shouldn't I be able to as well?
Aleeha

On 11/10/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I disagree on your second point.
> They've never asked me that info, even when I end up giving them the
> card to swipe.
> And anyway, as long as they swipe it or I do it, either way don't they
> get the infoshowing up on the screen?
>
>
>
>
> On 11/10/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,
>>
>> Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case.
>> Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card
>> can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card
>> number and your PIN.
>> Hope this helps your paranoia!
>> Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
>>>I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
>>>some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
>>>devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
>>>completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
>>>lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
>>>but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
>>>that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
>>>card that I get.
>>>
>>>On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> > I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
>>> > information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
>>> > organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
>>> > card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
>>> > that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
>>> > card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
>>> > updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
>>> > treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
>>> > numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
>>> > three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
>>> > in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
>>> > can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
>>> > enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
>>> > really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
>>> > to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
>>> > backup is really handy.
>>> >
>>> > The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
>>> > store personal information like that.
>>> >
>>> > Cindy
>>> >
>>> > On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >> Hi all,
>>> >>
>>> >> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to
>>> >> have
>>> >> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>>> >> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the
>>> >> credit
>>> >> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
>>> >> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>>> >> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
>>> >> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>>> >>
>>> >> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
>>> >> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>>> >> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>>> >> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>>> >> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.
>>> >> I
>>> >> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
>>> >> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
>>> >> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>>> >> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
>>> >> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right,
>>> >> etc,
>>> >> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
>>> >> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>>> >> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
>>> >> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
>>> >> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>>> >> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hope this helps.
>>> >>
>>> >> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>> Good morning, John,
>>> >>>
>>> >>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>>> >>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in
>>> >>> braille.
>>> >>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>> >>>>Hi,
>>> >>>>I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>> >>>>possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>> >>>>if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>> >>>>I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> >>>>Sincerely,
>>> >>>>John Sanders
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>-----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>> >>>>Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>> >>>>To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>> >>>> list
>>> >>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>> >>>>touch screen is fine.
>>> >>>>Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>> >>>>Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>> >>>>instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>> >>>>when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>> >>>>I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>Hi,
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just
>>> >>>>> has
>>> >>>>>a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>> >>>>>not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus
>>> >>>>> passes
>>> >>>>>or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>> >>>>>sensor.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>> >>>>>fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always
>>> >>>>> slide
>>> >>>>>my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>> >>>>>the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is
>>> >>>>> sliding
>>> >>>>>through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip
>>> >>>>> is
>>> >>>>>sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For
>>> >>>>> example,
>>> >>>>>if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip
>>> >>>>> facing
>>> >>>>>toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk
>>> >>>>> of
>>> >>>>>the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>> >>>>>the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>> >>>>>right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>> >>>>>machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would
>>> >>>>> be
>>> >>>>>facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a
>>> >>>>> table
>>> >>>>>and sliding it down the table.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>> >>>>>find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>> >>>>>initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you
>>> >>>>> could
>>> >>>>>ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always
>>> >>>>> wondered
>>> >>>>>however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch
>>> >>>>> buttons
>>> >>>>>on a touch pad.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>> >>>>>corner of the screen.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>> >>>>>interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the
>>> >>>>> transaction
>>> >>>>>shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>> >>>>>know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a
>>> >>>>> signature
>>> >>>>>unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide
>>> >>>>> as
>>> >>>>>credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>> >>>>>tactile.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for
>>> >>>>> it!
>>> >>>>>There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>> >>>>>location-based information about what businesses support soft card
>>> >>>>> aka
>>> >>>>>ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Cindy
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>Darian:
>>> >>>>>>On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has
>>> >>>>>> a
>>> >>>>>>circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the
>>> >>>>>> machine.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>Hi Kaley,
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>  Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>> >>>>>>> ty.
>>> >>>>>>>   Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader
>>> >>>>>>> slot
>>> >>>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>>> it
>>> >>>>>>>tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places
>>> >>>>>>> as
>>> >>>>>>>supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>>> >>>>>>> where
>>> >>>>>>>the
>>> >>>>>>>card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been
>>> >>>>>>> pretty
>>> >>>>>>>difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>> >>>>>>>   For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
>>> >>>>>>> what
>>> >>>>>>>you
>>> >>>>>>>need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to
>>> >>>>>>> go
>>> >>>>>>>about
>>> >>>>>>>the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>> >>>>>>>  Hope this helps,
>>> >>>>>>>   Darian
>>> >>>>>>>>On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>>> >>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>>>>wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>> >>>>>>>>            Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>> have
>>> >>>>>>>>to
>>> >>>>>>>>use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
>>> >>>>>>>> uniform
>>> >>>>>>>>and
>>> >>>>>>>>I
>>> >>>>>>>>can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>>> >>>>>>>> "ok".
>>> >>>>>>>>Do
>>> >>>>>>>>you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>Best,
>>> >>>>>>>>Kaley
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>>> >>>>>--
>>> >>>>>Cindy Bennett
>>> >>>>>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> >>>>>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>> >>>>>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>> >>>>>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
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>>> > 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>> > Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>> >
>>> > Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>> > Federation of the Blind of Washington
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>>>--
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>>>Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>>>Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
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>>>- Arabian Proverb
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Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
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- Arabian Proverb


From filerime at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 18:05:54 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:05:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9c+e9-wP5qDSBHvAHsq4JNz9wof=3KNePaVwb_Hm94VHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
My name is Elif.
I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
is not a member of this e-mail group?
Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
and adjustment issues.
I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
other about these internationally spessific issues.
Best
Elif Emir Oksuz
filerime at gmail.com


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 19:02:57 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 11:02:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9c+e9-wP5qDSBHvAHsq4JNz9wof=3KNePaVwb_Hm94VHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9c+e9-wP5qDSBHvAHsq4JNz9wof=3KNePaVwb_Hm94VHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56912389-44FD-497D-A12C-4B5108E99E2F@gmail.com>

Hello,
  We have an “International Students” E-mail list that can be found among the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org <http://www.nfbnet.org/>. 
  I’m sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I suspect there are more of them on the International  Students List.
   Hope this is helpful to you.
  Best,
  Darian 
> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> My name is Elif.
> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
> is not a member of this e-mail group?
> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
> and adjustment issues.
> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
> other about these internationally spessific issues.
> Best
> Elif Emir Oksuz
> filerime at gmail.com
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 18:48:33 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 13:48:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] independence centers near me
In-Reply-To: <000001cffd0e$0f9339b0$2eb9ad10$@com>
References: <000001cffd0e$0f9339b0$2eb9ad10$@com>
Message-ID: <42DD749F-1690-446A-AF66-B3DA5429DE2C@gmail.com>

Kayla,

I would suggest checking with your rehab agency. I'm not from IL and therefore can't vouch for any training center there. However, I know there are wonderful training centers operated by the NFB in Colorado, Minnesota and Louisiana. As a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB,) I can say that the program is truely life-changing and would encourage you to look into it.

In case you don't already know, there is also a list for the Illinois affiliate on NFB-Net, the same server which hosts this list. Check nfbnet.org for more information. I think it's called IL-Talk, but I'm not certain. I would recommend subscribing if you haven't already.

Good luck and welcome to the Federation family!

Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD

"The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One Minute Message

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is there someone in this group from Illinois who is in the NFB who can help
> me? I did not get into the ICREE Wood center. Does anyone have any
> suggestions for me. Please, I need help.
> 
> 
> 
> Kayla
> 
> 
> 
> P.S.: Thank you.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:20:16 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 14:20:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Update us! NABS notes Request for state updates
Message-ID: <71DC1118-C64E-4A0D-A33E-CA841757BB5E@gmail.com>

Fellow Students,
Hopefully this November finds you well. As we on the communications
committee assemble our monthly issue of NABS notes, we are excited to hear what your state is up to! If you have announcements and/ or
updates from your student’s state division which you would like
published in our next month’s edition, you are most welcome to send
them along to Gabe at:
Gcazares10 at gmail.com
Or Rebecca at:
becsjoynfb at gmail.com
cheers,
Rebecca~


From jty727 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 20:31:46 2014
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:31:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] independence centers near me
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If you're looking for Independent Living Centers I suggest visiting
www.ncil.org which is the National Council on Independent Living.

Justin

On 11/10/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kayla,
>
> I would suggest checking with your rehab agency. I'm not from IL and
> therefore can't vouch for any training center there. However, I know there
> are wonderful training centers operated by the NFB in Colorado, Minnesota
> and Louisiana. As a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB,) I
> can say that the program is truely life-changing and would encourage you to
> look into it.
>
> In case you don't already know, there is also a list for the Illinois
> affiliate on NFB-Net, the same server which hosts this list. Check
> nfbnet.org for more information. I think it's called IL-Talk, but I'm not
> certain. I would recommend subscribing if you haven't already.
>
> Good luck and welcome to the Federation family!
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>
> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
> Minute Message
>
>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Is there someone in this group from Illinois who is in the NFB who can
>> help
>> me? I did not get into the ICREE Wood center. Does anyone have any
>> suggestions for me. Please, I need help.
>>
>>
>>
>> Kayla
>>
>>
>>
>> P.S.: Thank you.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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From valandkayla at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:23:19 2014
From: valandkayla at gmail.com (Valerie Gibson)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:23:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Hi,

Going to just jump in here for a sec to make one comment for consideration.

What you also need to understand is that with today’s technology, it only takes a second for someone to get your card info, as that happened to me at jamba juice once.  

So I’m not comfortable handing my card to the casheer, but I do so if I have to.

One could argue that wether or not you give your card to someone, a person could still hack the system and get card info.  Target anyone?

So just some food for thought.

> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I do not believe that the cashier can see your pin on their screen
> unless you specifically give it to them verbally. My card, as many
> others do, funcions both as debit and credit. So, yes, I feel
> uncomfortable handing it to some random stranger to scan. If sighted
> people can complete their transactions securely and independently, why
> shouldn't I be able to as well?
> Aleeha
> 
> On 11/10/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I disagree on your second point.
>> They've never asked me that info, even when I end up giving them the
>> card to swipe.
>> And anyway, as long as they swipe it or I do it, either way don't they
>> get the infoshowing up on the screen?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 11/10/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,
>>> 
>>> Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case.
>>> Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card
>>> can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card
>>> number and your PIN.
>>> Hope this helps your paranoia!
>>> Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
>>>> some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
>>>> devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
>>>> completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
>>>> lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
>>>> but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
>>>> that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
>>>> card that I get.
>>>> 
>>>> On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track of
>>>>> information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
>>>>> organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
>>>>> card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes on
>>>>> that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
>>>>> card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
>>>>> updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
>>>>> treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the print
>>>>> numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
>>>>> three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it is
>>>>> in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
>>>>> can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
>>>>> enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line doesn't
>>>>> really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
>>>>> to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
>>>>> backup is really handy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
>>>>> store personal information like that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Cindy
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to
>>>>>> have
>>>>>> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>>>>>> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the
>>>>>> credit
>>>>>> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an emergency
>>>>>> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>>>>>> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
>>>>>> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
>>>>>> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>>>>>> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>>>>>> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>>>>>> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.
>>>>>> I
>>>>>> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
>>>>>> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and in
>>>>>> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>>>>>> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell me
>>>>>> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right,
>>>>>> etc,
>>>>>> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.  I
>>>>>> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>>>>>> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way I
>>>>>> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
>>>>>> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>>>>>> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hope this helps.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Good morning, John,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>>>>>>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in
>>>>>>> braille.
>>>>>>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>> I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>>>>>>>> possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in braille
>>>>>>>> if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>>>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>>>>>>>> John Sanders
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>>>>>>>> To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>>>>> list
>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide on a
>>>>>>>> touch screen is fine.
>>>>>>>> Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>>>>>>>> Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
>>>>>>>> instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from you
>>>>>>>> when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>>>>>>>> I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card just
>>>>>>>>> has
>>>>>>>>> a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that does
>>>>>>>>> not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus
>>>>>>>>> passes
>>>>>>>>> or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front of a
>>>>>>>>> sensor.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>>>>>>>>> fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always
>>>>>>>>> slide
>>>>>>>>> my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on where
>>>>>>>>> the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is
>>>>>>>>> sliding
>>>>>>>>> through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic strip
>>>>>>>>> is
>>>>>>>>> sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For
>>>>>>>>> example,
>>>>>>>>> if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip
>>>>>>>>> facing
>>>>>>>>> toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the bulk
>>>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>>>> the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top, face
>>>>>>>>> the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on the
>>>>>>>>> right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>>>>>>>>> machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip would
>>>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>>> facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a
>>>>>>>>> table
>>>>>>>>> and sliding it down the table.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature. I
>>>>>>>>> find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign my
>>>>>>>>> initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always
>>>>>>>>> wondered
>>>>>>>>> however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch
>>>>>>>>> buttons
>>>>>>>>> on a touch pad.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower right
>>>>>>>>> corner of the screen.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>>>>>>>>> interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the
>>>>>>>>> transaction
>>>>>>>>> shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if I
>>>>>>>>> know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a
>>>>>>>>> signature
>>>>>>>>> unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will slide
>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>> credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>>>>>>>>> tactile.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for
>>>>>>>>> it!
>>>>>>>>> There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>>>>>>>>> location-based information about what businesses support soft card
>>>>>>>>> aka
>>>>>>>>> ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Cindy
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Darian:
>>>>>>>>>> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always has
>>>>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>>>>> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the
>>>>>>>>>> machine.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kaley,
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>>>>>>>>>>> ty.
>>>>>>>>>>>  Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader
>>>>>>>>>>> slot
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> it
>>>>>>>>>>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such places
>>>>>>>>>>> as
>>>>>>>>>>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a  groove
>>>>>>>>>>> where
>>>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>>>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been
>>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>>>>>>>>>>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>>>>>>>>>>>  For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
>>>>>>>>>>> what
>>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able to
>>>>>>>>>>> go
>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>>>>>>>>>>>  Darian
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>           Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>>>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
>>>>>>>>>>>> uniform
>>>>>>>>>>>> and
>>>>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>>>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to press
>>>>>>>>>>>> "ok".
>>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>>>>>>> Kaley
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>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Cindy Bennett
>>>>>>>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>>>>>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>>>>>>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
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>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> --
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>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Cindy Bennett
>>>>> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>>>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>>>>> 
>>>>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>>>>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
>>>>> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>>>>> 
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>>>> --
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>>>> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
>>>> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
>>>> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
>>>> 
>>>> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
>>>> - Arabian Proverb
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From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 16:44:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Don't forget that not so long ago everyone handed their card to the cashier
and it was put in the machine that did the carbon copy prints and the
carbon copy with your full credit card number sat in the cash drawer all
day for any employee to get your number. I don't recall too many times hear
of an employee stealing the card numbers but I am sure it happened here and
there.

there are also retailers that their system has the card swipe on the
cashiers keyboard and you hand them your card and they swipe it. So I am
not super worried about store employees getting the numbers.

The stolen numbers are most often happening from people hacking into the
system.

I had to get my cards replaced due to both the Target and Home Depot hack
and in both cases I swiped the card myself.

I used to always have my credit card number memorized. My dad puts his
number in code on other things in his wallet. No one would know it is a
credit card number so you could come up with a code and store it in phone.

I haven't looked at Apple pay at all but is that something that would allow
for independent payments at stores?

On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Going to just jump in here for a sec to make one comment for consideration.
>
> What you also need to understand is that with today’s technology, it only
> takes a second for someone to get your card info, as that happened to me at
> jamba juice once.
>
> So I’m not comfortable handing my card to the casheer, but I do so if I
> have to.
>
> One could argue that wether or not you give your card to someone, a person
> could still hack the system and get card info.  Target anyone?
>
> So just some food for thought.
>
> > On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > I do not believe that the cashier can see your pin on their screen
> > unless you specifically give it to them verbally. My card, as many
> > others do, funcions both as debit and credit. So, yes, I feel
> > uncomfortable handing it to some random stranger to scan. If sighted
> > people can complete their transactions securely and independently, why
> > shouldn't I be able to as well?
> > Aleeha
> >
> > On 11/10/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> I disagree on your second point.
> >> They've never asked me that info, even when I end up giving them the
> >> card to swipe.
> >> And anyway, as long as they swipe it or I do it, either way don't they
> >> get the infoshowing up on the screen?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/10/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,
> >>>
> >>> Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case.
> >>> Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card
> >>> can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card
> >>> number and your PIN.
> >>> Hope this helps your paranoia!
> >>> Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>> I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
> >>>> some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
> >>>> devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that are
> >>>> completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have a
> >>>> lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
> >>>> but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
> >>>> that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
> >>>> card that I get.
> >>>>
> >>>> On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>> I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track
> of
> >>>>> information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
> >>>>> organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
> >>>>> card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes
> on
> >>>>> that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
> >>>>> card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
> >>>>> updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
> >>>>> treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the
> print
> >>>>> numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
> >>>>> three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it
> is
> >>>>> in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if you
> >>>>> can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
> >>>>> enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line
> doesn't
> >>>>> really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
> >>>>> to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
> >>>>> backup is really handy.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
> >>>>> store personal information like that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to
> >>>>>> have
> >>>>>> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
> >>>>>> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the
> >>>>>> credit
> >>>>>> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an
> emergency
> >>>>>> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
> >>>>>> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be available
> >>>>>> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with it.
> >>>>>> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
> >>>>>> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
> >>>>>> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
> >>>>>> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.
> >>>>>> I
> >>>>>> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and put
> >>>>>> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and
> in
> >>>>>> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
> >>>>>> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell
> me
> >>>>>> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right,
> >>>>>> etc,
> >>>>>> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.
> I
> >>>>>> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
> >>>>>> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way
> I
> >>>>>> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand, I
> >>>>>> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
> >>>>>> credit by paying back my bills on time.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Hope this helps.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>> Good morning, John,
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
> >>>>>>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in
> >>>>>>> braille.
> >>>>>>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>> I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
> >>>>>>>> possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in
> braille
> >>>>>>>> if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
> >>>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
> >>>>>>>> John Sanders
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
> >>>>>>>> To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >>>>>>>> list
> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide
> on a
> >>>>>>>> touch screen is fine.
> >>>>>>>> Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
> >>>>>>>> Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know, for
> >>>>>>>> instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from
> you
> >>>>>>>> when you swipe, that kinda thing.
> >>>>>>>> I find that very useful on my cards as well.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card
> just
> >>>>>>>>> has
> >>>>>>>>> a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that
> does
> >>>>>>>>> not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus
> >>>>>>>>> passes
> >>>>>>>>> or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front
> of a
> >>>>>>>>> sensor.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
> >>>>>>>>> fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always
> >>>>>>>>> slide
> >>>>>>>>> my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on
> where
> >>>>>>>>> the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is
> >>>>>>>>> sliding
> >>>>>>>>> through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic
> strip
> >>>>>>>>> is
> >>>>>>>>> sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For
> >>>>>>>>> example,
> >>>>>>>>> if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip
> >>>>>>>>> facing
> >>>>>>>>> toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the
> bulk
> >>>>>>>>> of
> >>>>>>>>> the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top,
> face
> >>>>>>>>> the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on
> the
> >>>>>>>>> right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
> >>>>>>>>> machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip
> would
> >>>>>>>>> be
> >>>>>>>>> facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a
> >>>>>>>>> table
> >>>>>>>>> and sliding it down the table.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature.
> I
> >>>>>>>>> find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign
> my
> >>>>>>>>> initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you
> >>>>>>>>> could
> >>>>>>>>> ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always
> >>>>>>>>> wondered
> >>>>>>>>> however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch
> >>>>>>>>> buttons
> >>>>>>>>> on a touch pad.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower
> right
> >>>>>>>>> corner of the screen.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
> >>>>>>>>> interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the
> >>>>>>>>> transaction
> >>>>>>>>> shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if
> I
> >>>>>>>>> know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a
> >>>>>>>>> signature
> >>>>>>>>> unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will
> slide
> >>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>> credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
> >>>>>>>>> tactile.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for
> >>>>>>>>> it!
> >>>>>>>>> There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
> >>>>>>>>> location-based information about what businesses support soft
> card
> >>>>>>>>> aka
> >>>>>>>>> ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Cindy
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> Darian:
> >>>>>>>>>> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always
> has
> >>>>>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>>>>> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the
> >>>>>>>>>> machine.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kaley,
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>> Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
> >>>>>>>>>>> ty.
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader
> >>>>>>>>>>> slot
> >>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>> it
> >>>>>>>>>>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such
> places
> >>>>>>>>>>> as
> >>>>>>>>>>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a
> groove
> >>>>>>>>>>> where
> >>>>>>>>>>> the
> >>>>>>>>>>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been
> >>>>>>>>>>> pretty
> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
> >>>>>>>>>>>  For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you find
> >>>>>>>>>>> what
> >>>>>>>>>>> you
> >>>>>>>>>>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able
> to
> >>>>>>>>>>> go
> >>>>>>>>>>> about
> >>>>>>>>>>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
> >>>>>>>>>>>  Darian
> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l
> >>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>           Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult when
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
> >>>>>>>>>>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
> >>>>>>>>>>>> uniform
> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>>>>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to
> press
> >>>>>>>>>>>> "ok".
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do
> >>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kaley
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> >>>>>>>>> Human Centered Design and Engineering
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> >>>>>>>>> Federation of the Blind of Washington
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 10 23:49:46 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 15:49:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
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Yes.
Apple Pay basically allows you to ID with your Touch ID setup, and
then connect via something similar to Bluetooth, I believe its called
RF, or infared, to the machine in question, and the iPhone sends the
info to the machine machine encrypted.
The thing is it has to be a special receiver, which is what makes me
guess the information is encrypted, and also, you have to have both an
iPhone 6 and a Chase Bank account.
And, for those of you who are worried about someone getting your number,
I should point out that there have been infa-red attacks from pretty
far away, using infared devices to read your entire number and
security info on credit cards.
So the simplest way--aka your caasheer seing the info isn't usually unsafe.
And, the casheer doesn't even seethe info now adays anyway.





On 11/10/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Don't forget that not so long ago everyone handed their card to the cashier
> and it was put in the machine that did the carbon copy prints and the
> carbon copy with your full credit card number sat in the cash drawer all
> day for any employee to get your number. I don't recall too many times hear
> of an employee stealing the card numbers but I am sure it happened here and
> there.
>
> there are also retailers that their system has the card swipe on the
> cashiers keyboard and you hand them your card and they swipe it. So I am
> not super worried about store employees getting the numbers.
>
> The stolen numbers are most often happening from people hacking into the
> system.
>
> I had to get my cards replaced due to both the Target and Home Depot hack
> and in both cases I swiped the card myself.
>
> I used to always have my credit card number memorized. My dad puts his
> number in code on other things in his wallet. No one would know it is a
> credit card number so you could come up with a code and store it in phone.
>
> I haven't looked at Apple pay at all but is that something that would allow
> for independent payments at stores?
>
> On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 4:23 PM, Valerie Gibson via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Going to just jump in here for a sec to make one comment for
>> consideration.
>>
>> What you also need to understand is that with today's technology, it only
>> takes a second for someone to get your card info, as that happened to me
>> at
>> jamba juice once.
>>
>> So I'm not comfortable handing my card to the casheer, but I do so if I
>> have to.
>>
>> One could argue that wether or not you give your card to someone, a person
>> could still hack the system and get card info.  Target anyone?
>>
>> So just some food for thought.
>>
>> > On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:52 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I do not believe that the cashier can see your pin on their screen
>> > unless you specifically give it to them verbally. My card, as many
>> > others do, funcions both as debit and credit. So, yes, I feel
>> > uncomfortable handing it to some random stranger to scan. If sighted
>> > people can complete their transactions securely and independently, why
>> > shouldn't I be able to as well?
>> > Aleeha
>> >
>> > On 11/10/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> I disagree on your second point.
>> >> They've never asked me that info, even when I end up giving them the
>> >> card to swipe.
>> >> And anyway, as long as they swipe it or I do it, either way don't they
>> >> get the infoshowing up on the screen?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/10/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> Good morning, Cindy, and everyone,
>> >>>
>> >>> Just let the perceived need for a signature guide go, in this case.
>> >>> Also, I think when you are using point of sale machines, your card
>> >>> can't be used unless the man behind the counter has both your card
>> >>> number and your PIN.
>> >>> Hope this helps your paranoia!
>> >>> Car At 08:13 AM 11/10/2014, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>> I have been told that sometimes a signature guide will interfere with
>> >>>> some touchscreen systems. I, personally, hate the point of sale
>> >>>> devices. I can never see what the charge is, I work with many that
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> completely touchscreen, including the pin pad, and I just don't have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> lot of faith in the average Joe behind the counter. Call me paranoid,
>> >>>> but there you have it. I would love to have my cards in Braille so
>> >>>> that I don't have to ask someone for all that information on anny new
>> >>>> card that I get.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On 11/9/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> I think that everyone has their preferences for how they keep track
>> of
>> >>>>> information. I have three credit cards and am the treasurer of 2
>> >>>>> organizations. each with their own card. Not to mention my insurance
>> >>>>> card, various loyalty cards, my student ID, bus pass, the list goes
>> on
>> >>>>> that are crammed in my wallet. I have pretty much gotten my credit
>> >>>>> card information down, but it always takes me a while when I get an
>> >>>>> updated card to memorize the new information. I do not use the
>> >>>>> treasury information enough to have it memorized. I can read the
>> print
>> >>>>> numbers on credit cards with raised numbers but can't read the
>> >>>>> three-digit cvv and can often not read the expiration date since it
>> is
>> >>>>> in a smaller font. Some credit cards have no raised lines. So, if
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> can memorize everything, that's awesome. But I don't trust myself
>> >>>>> enough. If I am ordering a pizza, the person on the other line
>> doesn't
>> >>>>> really have time for me to think about my credit card number. I need
>> >>>>> to spout it off quickly. I can often do this, but having a braille
>> >>>>> backup is really handy.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> The nice part is that I think braille is one of the safest ways to
>> >>>>> store personal information like that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Cindy
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On 11/9/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Maybe I'm not understanding this right, but why would you want to
>> >>>>>> have
>> >>>>>> your card in braille?  I found it pretty easy to just memorize my
>> >>>>>> number, my security pin, and my expiration date for both of the
>> >>>>>> credit
>> >>>>>> cards I've had.  The number that I am to call in case of an
>> emergency
>> >>>>>> is available in emails I receive with links to view my statements
>> >>>>>> online.  With this set up, is there anything that would be
>> >>>>>> available
>> >>>>>> in braille that I'm not getting using these methods?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> As for using a credit card, I have not really had a problem with
>> >>>>>> it.
>> >>>>>> As others have said, the slot should always be on the right side of
>> >>>>>> the machine, and you can usually use the raised numbering on the
>> >>>>>> picture side of the card to help you tactally orient it.  A sticker
>> >>>>>> will also help too, and should not cause you any problems swiping.
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> have no shame in asking the cashier to swipe the card for me and
>> >>>>>> put
>> >>>>>> in my acceptance of the charges if the screen is inaccessible, and
>> in
>> >>>>>> my experiences the signature box has always shown up towards the
>> >>>>>> bottom or the middle of the screen.  Usually the cashier will tell
>> me
>> >>>>>> that the okay button is in the top right corner, or bottom right,
>> >>>>>> etc,
>> >>>>>> and I'll be able to hit it with the pen based on those directions.
>> I
>> >>>>>> always ask to make sure the card swiped okay.  I find this method
>> >>>>>> extremely helpful when doing things like grocery shopping; that way
>> I
>> >>>>>> don't have to worry about having a certain amount of cash on hand,
>> >>>>>> I
>> >>>>>> can keep track of my spending habits over time, and I can build my
>> >>>>>> credit by paying back my bills on time.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Hope this helps.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On 11/8/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>> Good morning, John,
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> My roommate banks at Wells Fargo and receives his card in braille,
>> >>>>>>> while I bank with BofA and do not receive my own debet card in
>> >>>>>>> braille.
>> >>>>>>> Car01 AM 11/8/2014, starmy22--- via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>> I have a question: when getting a new debit or credit card, is it
>> >>>>>>>> possible for the company who makes the cards to put them in
>> braille
>> >>>>>>>> if requested by the blind user so they could read them?
>> >>>>>>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> >>>>>>>> Sincerely,
>> >>>>>>>> John Sanders
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
>> >>>>>>>> Sent: Friday, November 07, 2014 4:42 PM
>> >>>>>>>> To: Cindy Bennett ; National Association of Blind Students
>> >>>>>>>> mailing
>> >>>>>>>> list
>> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Using a credit/debit card
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I can say from personal experience that using a signature guide
>> on a
>> >>>>>>>> touch screen is fine.
>> >>>>>>>> Good point about the location of the swiping mechanism though.
>> >>>>>>>> Also, labeling your cards is another option, so that you know,
>> >>>>>>>> for
>> >>>>>>>> instance, that the letter W for Welsfargo always faces away from
>> you
>> >>>>>>>> when you swipe, that kinda thing.
>> >>>>>>>> I find that very useful on my cards as well.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>> Hi,
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I think the suggestions thus far have been great. If the card
>> just
>> >>>>>>>>> has
>> >>>>>>>>> a magnetic strip, you can even cut one of the two corners that
>> does
>> >>>>>>>>> not have a strip. This is not good to do on cards such as bus
>> >>>>>>>>> passes
>> >>>>>>>>> or student ID's if you don't swipe them but wave them in front
>> of a
>> >>>>>>>>> sensor.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I would say that credit card machines tend to be oriented in 2
>> >>>>>>>>> fashions. Either the slot is on the right or the top. I always
>> >>>>>>>>> slide
>> >>>>>>>>> my card from top to bottom or from left to right depending on
>> where
>> >>>>>>>>> the slot is. I always orient the card so the magnetic strip is
>> >>>>>>>>> sliding
>> >>>>>>>>> through the slot itself, and I face the card so the magnetic
>> strip
>> >>>>>>>>> is
>> >>>>>>>>> sliding against the part of the machine that is bigger. For
>> >>>>>>>>> example,
>> >>>>>>>>> if the slot is along the right side, you would want the strip
>> >>>>>>>>> facing
>> >>>>>>>>> toward and sliding against the left edge of the slot since the
>> bulk
>> >>>>>>>>> of
>> >>>>>>>>> the machine is to the left of the slot. If the slot is on top,
>> face
>> >>>>>>>>> the strip toward you as you slide it. Sometimes, the slot is on
>> the
>> >>>>>>>>> right side, but it is oriented so you lay your card down on the
>> >>>>>>>>> machine and slide it down. This means that the magnetic strip
>> would
>> >>>>>>>>> be
>> >>>>>>>>> facing down. It would be similar to laying your card flat on a
>> >>>>>>>>> table
>> >>>>>>>>> and sliding it down the table.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I do get irritated at businesses that require a touch signature.
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> find it difficult to know where the field is and often just sign
>> my
>> >>>>>>>>> initials or an X. If you carry a signature guide with you, you
>> >>>>>>>>> could
>> >>>>>>>>> ask the cashier to place the guide accordingly. I have always
>> >>>>>>>>> wondered
>> >>>>>>>>> however if the presence of a guide would activate other touch
>> >>>>>>>>> buttons
>> >>>>>>>>> on a touch pad.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I have noticed that the touch ok button is often on the lower
>> right
>> >>>>>>>>> corner of the screen.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I've come to learn which businesses have which minimums. It is
>> >>>>>>>>> interesting that you can slide as debit or credit and the
>> >>>>>>>>> transaction
>> >>>>>>>>> shows up similarly, so I go with the path of least resistance if
>> I
>> >>>>>>>>> know. For example, I know that Rite Aid does not require a
>> >>>>>>>>> signature
>> >>>>>>>>> unless over $25, so if my transaction is $25 or less, I will
>> slide
>> >>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> credit. If it is more, I will enter my pin as their pin pad is
>> >>>>>>>>> tactile.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm sure excited about Apple Pay though. Start asking around for
>> >>>>>>>>> it!
>> >>>>>>>>> There are a couple of apps sponsored by various banks that give
>> >>>>>>>>> location-based information about what businesses support soft
>> card
>> >>>>>>>>> aka
>> >>>>>>>>> ApplePay or Gogle Wallet forms of payment.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Cindy
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>> Darian:
>> >>>>>>>>>> On machines that have the tactile keypad the ok button always
>> has
>> >>>>>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>>>>> circle on it and is usually in the lower right corner of the
>> >>>>>>>>>> machine.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On 11/7/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kaley,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Point of Sale machines are notorious for their inaccessibility
>> >>>>>>>>>>> ty.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  Most times I find it fairly simple to find the card reader
>> >>>>>>>>>>> slot
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> it
>> >>>>>>>>>>> tends to either be on the right side of machines  in such
>> places
>> >>>>>>>>>>> as
>> >>>>>>>>>>> supermarkets.  I tend to be able to  tactually identify a
>> groove
>> >>>>>>>>>>> where
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the
>> >>>>>>>>>>> card would go.   however  finding   the "ok" button has been
>> >>>>>>>>>>> pretty
>> >>>>>>>>>>> difficult to do without sighted assistance  in  my view.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  For obvious reasons the clerk is very willing to help you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> find
>> >>>>>>>>>>> what
>> >>>>>>>>>>> you
>> >>>>>>>>>>> need to find, though it would be  much   more ideal to be able
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>> go
>> >>>>>>>>>>> about
>> >>>>>>>>>>> the process   independently  as  others in the store can.
>> >>>>>>>>>>> Hope this helps,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>  Darian
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Nov 7, 2014, at 11:30 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>           Generally, I pay with cash, but it is difficult
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> when
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> use my credit or debit card. I find that the machines aren't
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> uniform
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> can't always tell where I am suposed to swipe or where to
>> press
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> "ok".
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Do
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> you guys have any tricks for using debit/credit cards.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Best,
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Kaley
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Nov 11 00:00:42 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 19:00:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Anyone from Massachusetts
Message-ID: <0E232033-DE46-4918-816E-8839EAB20A21@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

If you are from Massachusetts or are attending college in Massachusetts, the scholarship application is now available. Email president at nfbma.org with "scholarship application" in the subject line. 

You can also email me off list for more info. 

Best wishes
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 03:32:08 2014
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:32:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Hi all,

Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all the
NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because of
being international student. This may be lack of the information and
resources that are available to American sitizens with disabilities. I
know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would like
to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.

Thanks
Zeynep


2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hello,
>   We have an “International Students” E-mail list that can be found among
> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>   I’m sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I suspect
> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>   Best,
>   Darian
>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> My name is Elif.
>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
>> and adjustment issues.
>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>> Best
>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>> filerime at gmail.com
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 05:20:15 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2014 21:20:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] independence centers near me
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Hi Kayla,
I definitely recommend checking out the NFB centers. Many, perhaps a
majority, of their students come from out of state. Your state voc
rehab agency should pay the full tuition for you. Sometimes counselors
will say they can't pay for out-of-state training; however, the law is
on your side and in many cases such decisions are successfully
appealed.
Arielle

On 11/10/14, Justin Young via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you're looking for Independent Living Centers I suggest visiting
> www.ncil.org which is the National Council on Independent Living.
>
> Justin
>
> On 11/10/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kayla,
>>
>> I would suggest checking with your rehab agency. I'm not from IL and
>> therefore can't vouch for any training center there. However, I know
>> there
>> are wonderful training centers operated by the NFB in Colorado, Minnesota
>> and Louisiana. As a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind (LCB,)
>> I
>> can say that the program is truely life-changing and would encourage you
>> to
>> look into it.
>>
>> In case you don't already know, there is also a list for the Illinois
>> affiliate on NFB-Net, the same server which hosts this list. Check
>> nfbnet.org for more information. I think it's called IL-Talk, but I'm not
>> certain. I would recommend subscribing if you haven't already.
>>
>> Good luck and welcome to the Federation family!
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>
>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
>> Minute Message
>>
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Is there someone in this group from Illinois who is in the NFB who can
>>> help
>>> me? I did not get into the ICREE Wood center. Does anyone have any
>>> suggestions for me. Please, I need help.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Kayla
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> P.S.: Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 05:25:42 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:25:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] independence centers near me
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Just a hint though; if the agency does put up a fight, one way you can
work around it is to temporarily establish residency in Louisiana.  A
girl on the Ohio student division board graduated from LCB, and Ohio
is not good at all about paying the tuition.  We're working on that,
but since this student wanted training sooner rather than later so she
could move on with life, go to college, etc, she just bucked the
system and it worked well for her.

Fight with the law since it's on your side, but if you get needless
trouble, there are other ways of getting what you need as well.

On 11/11/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla,
> I definitely recommend checking out the NFB centers. Many, perhaps a
> majority, of their students come from out of state. Your state voc
> rehab agency should pay the full tuition for you. Sometimes counselors
> will say they can't pay for out-of-state training; however, the law is
> on your side and in many cases such decisions are successfully
> appealed.
> Arielle
>
> On 11/10/14, Justin Young via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If you're looking for Independent Living Centers I suggest visiting
>> www.ncil.org which is the National Council on Independent Living.
>>
>> Justin
>>
>> On 11/10/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Kayla,
>>>
>>> I would suggest checking with your rehab agency. I'm not from IL and
>>> therefore can't vouch for any training center there. However, I know
>>> there
>>> are wonderful training centers operated by the NFB in Colorado,
>>> Minnesota
>>> and Louisiana. As a graduate of the Louisiana Center for the Blind
>>> (LCB,)
>>> I
>>> can say that the program is truely life-changing and would encourage you
>>> to
>>> look into it.
>>>
>>> In case you don't already know, there is also a list for the Illinois
>>> affiliate on NFB-Net, the same server which hosts this list. Check
>>> nfbnet.org for more information. I think it's called IL-Talk, but I'm
>>> not
>>> certain. I would recommend subscribing if you haven't already.
>>>
>>> Good luck and welcome to the Federation family!
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum, Secretary
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of
>>> Maryland
>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>>
>>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>>> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
>>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>>> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
>>> Minute Message
>>>
>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 12:45 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there someone in this group from Illinois who is in the NFB who can
>>>> help
>>>> me? I did not get into the ICREE Wood center. Does anyone have any
>>>> suggestions for me. Please, I need help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kayla
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> P.S.: Thank you.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 05:29:58 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 00:29:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Hi all,

This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
could all benefit from more open communication.

So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.  If
you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
too.

I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
will benefit.

On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all the
> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because of
> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
> resources that are available to American sitizens with disabilities. I
> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would like
> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>
> Thanks
> Zeynep
>
>
> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hello,
>>   We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found among
>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>   I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>> suspect
>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>>   Best,
>>   Darian
>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> My name is Elif.
>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
>>> and adjustment issues.
>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>> Best
>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:28:42 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 12:28:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
Message-ID: <9782A2EB-16C0-4AB7-8752-3F374EC5278D@gmail.com>

Hello all, I may have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin Ramirez
 I’m totally blind with some light perception.
I’m in my senior year of highschool.
I’m just emailing to introduce myself and I have one very important question.
What rehabilutation center do you all recommend, I was thinking on going to the Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard stories and am now unsure of what to do.
Please email back if you wish.
I’m looking forward to getting to know all of you, and for those whom already know me I can’t wait to establish or re-establish friendships.
Thank you all for making me a part of this great list.



From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:44:36 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 11:44:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
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Hi. I'm Kayla James. I'm totally blind, too, with no light perception.
I wanted to say hi. I am looking for a center, too. Nice to meet you.

On 11/11/14, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all, I may have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin Ramirez
>  I’m totally blind with some light perception.
> I’m in my senior year of highschool.
> I’m just emailing to introduce myself and I have one very important
> question.
> What rehabilutation center do you all recommend, I was thinking on going to
> the Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard stories and am now unsure
> of what to do.
> Please email back if you wish.
> I’m looking forward to getting to know all of you, and for those whom
> already know me I can’t wait to establish or re-establish friendships.
> Thank you all for making me a part of this great list.
>
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 11 17:50:50 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 09:50:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
In-Reply-To: <9782A2EB-16C0-4AB7-8752-3F374EC5278D@gmail.com>
References: <9782A2EB-16C0-4AB7-8752-3F374EC5278D@gmail.com>
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Hi Mabelin, 
 My name is  Darian Smith. 
I am a graduate of the Colorado Center for the blind and would say that I'm very much am glad that I decided to go to a training center. 
Each of the 3 Training Centers  affiliated with the federation provide excellent training. 
Each of them have their pros and cons and above anything else you hear, I believe it's most important to find out for yourself which makes most sense to you. 
If you should need further assistance, we are all happy to point you in the right direction. I am happy to connect you with graduates of all three training centers that could give you some great insights. 
Darian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 11, 2014, at 9:28 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, I may have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin Ramirez
> I’m totally blind with some light perception.
> I’m in my senior year of highschool.
> I’m just emailing to introduce myself and I have one very important question.
> What rehabilutation center do you all recommend, I was thinking on going to the Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard stories and am now unsure of what to do.
> Please email back if you wish.
> I’m looking forward to getting to know all of you, and for those whom already know me I can’t wait to establish or re-establish friendships.
> Thank you all for making me a part of this great list.
> 
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov 11 18:18:27 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 10:18:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
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Good morning, Kayla,

How old are you and where are you? Wanna talk?
CarAt 09:44 AM 11/11/2014, you wrote:
>Hi. I'm Kayla James. I'm totally blind, too, 
>with no light perception. I wanted to say hi. I 
>am looking for a center, too. Nice to meet you. 
>On 11/11/14, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello all, I may 
>have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin 
>Ramirez >  I’m totally blind with some light 
>perception. > I’m in my senior year of 
>highschool. > I’m just emailing to introduce 
>myself and I have one very important > 
>question. > What rehabilutation center do you 
>all recommend, I was thinking on going to > the 
>Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard 
>stories and am now unsure > of what to do. > 
>Please email back if you wish. > I’m looking 
>forward to getting to know all of you, and for 
>those whom > already know me I can’t wait to 
>establish or re-establish friendships. > Thank 
>you all for making me a part of this great 
>list. > > > 
>_______________________________________________ > 
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>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Nov 11 21:57:03 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:57:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: NFBNJ: TSA Airport Travel - FW: [Njagdu] FW:
 Communication # 19 - "What to Expect" - Diabetes	Awareness Month (November)
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> Date: November 11, 2014 at 4:53:45 PM EST
> To: Brian Mackey <bmackey88 at gmail.com>
> Subject: NFBNJ: TSA Airport Travel - FW: [Njagdu] FW: Communication # 19 - "What to Expect" - Diabetes	Awareness Month (November)
> Reply-To: bmackey88 at gmail.com
> 
> From the desk of NFBNJ President Joe Ruffalo.
> Received from Vincent Chaney, President, NJ Diabetic Division.
>  
> To Any Diabetic Who Travels Through USA Airports:
>  
> Thanks to Ginger Kutsch for sharing this TSA Travel information for all diabetics traveling through airports in the USA...
> I am including the content of the attachment for those whom are unable to open the document. The message notes that this may be shared with others.
>  
> TSA Pre✓™
> Standard Screening
>  
> Travelers eligible for TSA Pre✓™:
> o   Present your boarding pass and government-issued ID to the TSA travel document checker;
> o   The TSA travel document checker will scan your boarding pass barcode;
> o   Proceed to the TSA Pre✓™ line.
>  
> At the beginning of screening:
> o   Inform the TSA officer about your disability or medical condition.
> o   Inform the TSA officer if you have an insulin pump.
> o   It is not necessary to disconnect from your insulin pump.
> o   Oversized medically-necessary liquids should be removed from accessible property. Diabetes related medications and liquids are permitted through security checkpoints after undergoing x-ray and/or inspection screening.
> o   Inform the TSA officer if there are medically-necessary liquids that need to be screened. These liquids should be separated from other carry-on items.
> o   Inform the TSA office if you would like to move to the front of the screening line.
>  
> During the screening process:
> o   Generally, TSA Pre✓™ lines are shorter and have less wait times.
> o   You are not required to disconnect from the Insulin pump. You may be screened using Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT), a Walk-Through Metal Detector, or using a pat-down.
> 
> Not required to remove:
> o   Belt
> o   Shoes
> o   Jacket/Coat/Light Outerwear
> o   3-1-1 compliant bag
> o   Laptop from carry-on
> o   CPAP/BPAP
>  
> Travelers not eligible for TSA Pre✓™ :
> o   Present your boarding pass and government-issued
> ID to the TSA travel document checker;
> o   The TSA travel document checker will scan your boarding
> pass barcode;
> o   Proceed to the standard screening line.
>  
> At the beginning of screening:
> o   Inform the TSA officer about your disability or medical condition.
> o   Inform the TSA officer if you have an insulin pump.
> o   It is not necessary to disconnect from your insulin pump.
> o   Oversized medically-necessary liquids should be removed and compliant liquids, gels and aerosols in a quart-sized plastic bag are also required to be removed from accessible property. Diabetes related medications and liquids are permitted through security checkpoints after undergoing x-ray and/or inspection screening.
> o   Inform the TSA officer if there are medically-necessary liquids that need to be screened. These liquids should be separated from other carry-on items.
> o   Inform the TSA officer if you would like to move to the front of the screening line.
> 
> During the screening process:
> o   Generally, passengers experience longer lines depending on the date and time of travel. Take into consideration weekends and holidays.
> o   You are not required to disconnect from the insulin pump. The insulin pump is subject to additional screening, which may include conducting a self-pat-down of the insulin pump and explosive trace detection sampling of hands.
> o    You may be screened using Advanced Imaging Technology (AIT), a Walk-Through Metal Detector, or using a thorough pat-down.
>  
> Required to remove:
> o   Belt
> o   Shoes
> o   Jackets/Coats/Light outerwear
> o   3-1-1 compliant bag
> o   Medically necessary liquids
> o   Laptop from carry-on
> o   CPAP/BPAP
> WHAT TO KNOW
> ·        TSA Cares:
> 
> o   TSA Cares is a toll-free helpline (1-855-787-2227), available for passengers with disabilities and medical conditions to get the latest information on screening. You may call from 8 a.m. to 11 p.m. ET Monday through Friday, and 9 a.m. to 8 p.m. weekends and holidays. Passengers who are deaf or hard of hearing may use Federal Relay 711.
>  
> o   Communicate information about your specific needs to TSA Cares at least 72 hours in advance of airport arrival to allow TSA to prepare for individual requirements at the airports you visit.
> 
> o   Learn more about screening procedures for travelers with disabilities and medical conditions at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·        Passenger Support Specialists:
> 
> o   Travelers may request the assistance of a passenger support specialist through TSA Cares, or at the airport.
> 
> o   The specialist is a specially trained staff member who provides travelers with disabilities and medical conditions on-the-spot assistance at security checkpoints.
> 
> o   Learn more about passenger support specialists at TSA.gov.
> 
> Planning Your Trip:
> o   Arrive early to allow time to screen medically-necessary liquids and medical devices.
> 
> o   Communicate your specific needs to the TSA officer before screening begins to facilitate your airport screening experience. This can include information about medically-necessary liquids equipment and devices as well as the location of sensitive areas. You may provide this information to the TSA officer verbally, or present a TSA notification card to the TSA officer.
> 
> o   The notification card is a basic, non-verbal way for you to communicate your disability or medical condition to officers. However, the notification card does not exempt travelers from screening.
> 
> o   The 3-1-1 liquids rule for carry-ons allows each traveler to have liquids, gels, aerosols, creams and pastes in quantities of 3.4 ounces (100ml) or less per container; in 1 quart sized, clear, plastic, zip-top bag; and 1 bag. This rule does not apply to medically-necessary liquids for travelers with disabilities and medical conditions. However, you will need to declare medically-necessary liquids for inspection at the checkpoint, and officers may need to conduct additional screening of these items.
> 
> 
>  
> ·        Advanced Imaging Technology:
> 
> o   Travelers are eligible to be screened using advanced imaging technology if they are able to stand and walk through the machine; stand and hold their hands about their head for five to seven seconds without support; and if there is an alarm, stand for additional time to resolve the alarm.
> 
> o   Travelers not wishing to be screened by advanced imaging technology, and travelers who are not eligible for such screening, can request a pat-down.
> 
> o   Learn more about advanced imaging technology at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·        Walk-Through Metal Detectors:
> 
> o   Travelers may be screened by walk through metal detectors if they can walk through the machine on their own.
> 
> o   Travelers cannot request metal detector screening in lieu of advanced imaging technology or a pat-down.
> 
> o   Learn more about walk through metal detectors at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·        Pat-Downs:
> 
> o   When conducted, the pat-down will be performed by a TSA officer of the same gender.
> 
> o   A traveler can request a private screening, and be accompanied by a companion of his or her choosing.
> 
> o   Additionally, the traveler can request a chair if he or she needs to sit down.
> 
> o   Travelers should not be asked to remove or lift any article of clothing to reveal a sensitive body area.
> 
> o   Learn more about pat-downs at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·         Explosive Trace Detection Screening:
> 
> o   TSA officers may swab equipment, or a traveler’s hands, and then use explosive trace detection technology to test for explosives.
> 
> o   The swab is placed inside the unit, which analyzes the content for the presence of potential explosive residue.
> 
> o    To ensure the health of travelers, screening swabs are disposed of after each use.
> 
> o   Since it will be used on a random basis, passengers should not expect to see the same thing at every airport or each time they travel.
> 
> o   Learn more about explosive trace detection at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·        75 Years Old and Over:
> 
> o   Travelers 75 years old and over can:
>  
> §  Leave their shoes and light jackets on while going through security checkpoints, even in the standard screening lanes;
> §  Undergo an additional pass-through advanced imaging technology to clear any anomalies detected during screening.
> o    Learn more about procedures for travelers 75 years old and older at TSA.gov.
> 
> ·        12 Years Old and Under:
> 
> o   Travelers 12 years old and under can:
>  
> §  Leave their shoes on while going through security checkpoints, even in the standard screening lanes;
> §  Undergo multiple passes through the walk through metal detector and advanced imaging technology to clear any alarms during screening;
> §  Undergo explosive trace detection testing.
> 
> o   Learn more about traveling with children through the checkpoint at TSA.gov.
> 
> WHAT TO REMEMBER:
> ·        Packing: Separate medically-necessary liquids and equipment from other belongings so they can be quickly identified and accessed for screening.
> 
> ·        Known Traveler Number (KTN): Enter your known traveler number when you book your flight to get TSA Pre✓™ benefits.
> 
> ·        Companion: You can be accompanied by a companion of your choosing to provide assistance during the screening process. However, the companion must be re-screened after providing assistance that involves physical contact.
> 
> ·        Body Piercing: Certain metal body piercings may cause the machines to alarm, which will result in additional screening. If additional screening is required, passengers may be asked to remove their body piercing in private as an alternative to the pat-down search.
> 
> ·        Gift Wrapping: If a security officer needs to inspect a package, a gift may have to be unwrapped. Passengers should refrain from wrapping gifts until arriving at their final destination.
> 
> ·        Dress Smart: Dressing smart for security will get you through the checkpoint faster. Learn more about dressing smart at TSA.gov.
> 
> Visit TSA.gov to learn more about policies for travelers with disabilities and medical conditions.
>  
>  
> Vinny
> Vincent G Chaney Jr
> 732-251-8650
> President, NFBNJ New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
> President, NFBNJ Diabetes Division
> Webmaster: nfbnj.org http://www.nfbnj.org
>  
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Njagdu [mailto:njagdu-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ginger Kutsch via Njagdu
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 9:57 AM
> To: New Jersey Association of Guide Dog Users
> Subject: [Njagdu] FW: Communication # 19 - "What to Expect" - Diabetes Awareness Month (November)
>  
> FYI
>  
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Buckland, Susan [mailto:Susan.Buckland at tsa.dhs.gov]
> Sent: Thursday, November 06, 2014 8:10 AM
> Subject: Communication # 19 - "What to Expect" - Diabetes Awareness Month
> (November)
>  
> Good Afternoon -
>  
> In support/recognition of Diabetes Awareness Month the Transportation Security Administration Disability Branch would like to share the attached "What to Expect" document. The document provides general information about "What to Expect" in the screening process and also includes sections on "What to Know" and "What to Remember".  The intent of the document is to help travelers make better informed decisions. Please feel free to share.
>  
>  
>  
>  
> Thank you,
>  
> Susan Buckland
> Disability Branch, POC TSA
> Disability and Medical Condition Coalition, Outreach and Engagement
> Office of Civil Rights and Liberties, Ombudsmen and Traveler Engagement
> Transportation Security Administration
> Department of Homeland Security
> Susan.buckland at tsa.dhs.gov<mailto:Susan.buckland at tsa.dhs.gov>
>  
>  
> Forwarded by:
>  
> Brian A. Mackey
>  
> Brian A. Mackey
> Mackey Enterprises LLC
> Secretary, National Federation of the Blind of New Jersey
> 609-953-6988
> Bmackey88 at gmail.com
>  
> “Happy are those who dream dreams and are willing to pay the price to make those dreams come true”
>       -Vince Papale
>  

From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 00:13:29 2014
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:13:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
References: <9782A2EB-16C0-4AB7-8752-3F374EC5278D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004901cffe0d$7daddd10$b600a8c0@dougpc>

I'd recommend the Center in rustin.  Not sure if that's where you'd like to 
look into, but just throwing my 2 sents.
Thanks,
Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:28 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all


> Hello all, I may have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin Ramirez
> I’m totally blind with some light perception.
> I’m in my senior year of highschool.
> I’m just emailing to introduce myself and I have one very important 
> question.
> What rehabilutation center do you all recommend, I was thinking on going 
> to the Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard stories and am now 
> unsure of what to do.
> Please email back if you wish.
> I’m looking forward to getting to know all of you, and for those whom 
> already know me I can’t wait to establish or re-establish friendships.
> Thank you all for making me a part of this great list.
>
>
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 00:43:40 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 19:43:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
Message-ID: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>

 Hello all, thanks for the emails, I’m not quite sure which rehab center to tgo to.
I’m debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out there.
If you can tell me let me know.
Thanks
Mabelin



From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 00:54:59 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 16:54:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvobn2TYGzVvD-2NnKpWNYMOiUrHm4VXa-bMd=Ry=uLVg@mail.gmail.com>

I would recommend Louisiana Center for the Blind, I've heard nothing
but good things about that one.

Just saying that because I've heard too many stories about CCB, and I
... know enough about BLIND Inc. not to recommend it for anyone.




On 11/11/14, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>  Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center to
> tgo to.
> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that
> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out there.
> If you can tell me let me know.
> Thanks
> Mabelin
>
>
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 01:13:16 2014
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:13:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009901cffe15$d7f94680$b600a8c0@dougpc>

mabelin write me off list.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 4:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers


> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I’m not quite sure which rehab center to 
> tgo to.
> I’m debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that 
> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out 
> there.
> If you can tell me let me know.
> Thanks
> Mabelin
>
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 01:42:55 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 17:42:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
In-Reply-To: <004901cffe0d$7daddd10$b600a8c0@dougpc>
References: <9782A2EB-16C0-4AB7-8752-3F374EC5278D@gmail.com>
	<004901cffe0d$7daddd10$b600a8c0@dougpc>
Message-ID: <57552125-06A8-4C34-BE9C-CAE0712B2F6A@gmail.com>

Hi Doug,
 I understand you are   throwing in your “two cents”. I am curious as to  what interests  you about he center Rusten?   
> On Nov 11, 2014, at 4:13 PM, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'd recommend the Center in rustin.  Not sure if that's where you'd like to look into, but just throwing my 2 sents.
> Thanks,
> Doug
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 9:28 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] hi all
> 
> 
>> Hello all, I may have not introduced myself. My name is Mabelin Ramirez
>> I’m totally blind with some light perception.
>> I’m in my senior year of highschool.
>> I’m just emailing to introduce myself and I have one very important question.
>> What rehabilutation center do you all recommend, I was thinking on going to the Colorado center for the blind, but I’ve heard stories and am now unsure of what to do.
>> Please email back if you wish.
>> I’m looking forward to getting to know all of you, and for those whom already know me I can’t wait to establish or re-establish friendships.
>> Thank you all for making me a part of this great list.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com
> 
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 03:08:02 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 22:08:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYABL-DMnaP5bAukC9tJ8ANVmkCvd++rnTugTtdM0AiMA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9c+e9-wP5qDSBHvAHsq4JNz9wof=3KNePaVwb_Hm94VHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56912389-44FD-497D-A12C-4B5108E99E2F@gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a0e5125erWOf9nwQV8GO_AA2gt=s7kb3S2yQE2hK6miGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYABL-DMnaP5bAukC9tJ8ANVmkCvd++rnTugTtdM0AiMA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fYEr3GqMtkpLTqZZ49Gpset8io3BZvVBqjH++QEafwWg@mail.gmail.com>

Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
when there is no accommodation.
Plus this is a huge culture shock.
In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
We can advocate for future generations together.



2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi all,
>
> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
> could all benefit from more open communication.
>
> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.  If
> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
> too.
>
> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
> will benefit.
>
> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all the
>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because of
>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>> resources that are available to American sitizens with disabilities. I
>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would like
>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Zeynep
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Hello,
>>>   We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>> among
>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>   I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>> suspect
>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>   Best,
>>>   Darian
>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>> Best
>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>
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From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 04:11:08 2014
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2014 20:11:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9fYEr3GqMtkpLTqZZ49Gpset8io3BZvVBqjH++QEafwWg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtP_9c+e9-wP5qDSBHvAHsq4JNz9wof=3KNePaVwb_Hm94VHg@mail.gmail.com>
	<56912389-44FD-497D-A12C-4B5108E99E2F@gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a0e5125erWOf9nwQV8GO_AA2gt=s7kb3S2yQE2hK6miGQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FYABL-DMnaP5bAukC9tJ8ANVmkCvd++rnTugTtdM0AiMA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMtP_9fYEr3GqMtkpLTqZZ49Gpset8io3BZvVBqjH++QEafwWg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Elif,

I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
further.

In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact details.

Best,

On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
> when there is no accommodation.
> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
> We can advocate for future generations together.
>
>
>
> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>
>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.  If
>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>> too.
>>
>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>> will benefit.
>>
>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all the
>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because of
>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with disabilities. I
>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would like
>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Zeynep
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>   We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>> among
>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>   I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>> suspect
>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>   Best,
>>>>   Darian
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this group?
>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student who
>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss about the
>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international students
>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support each
>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>
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>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 14:11:29 2014
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:11:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi Mabelin,



I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every other 
program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have not 
meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I 
gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to deal 
with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.



That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short time 
since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell for 
the better.



If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana 
Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in. 
BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana 
Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent teachers 
and facilities.



Another place to consider is BISM. It’s just as good as a NFB center but not 
officially affiliated with the NFB.



HTH

Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers


> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I’m not quite sure which rehab center to 
> tgo to.
> I’m debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that 
> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out 
> there.
> If you can tell me let me know.
> Thanks
> Mabelin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
> nabs-l:
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> 



From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:05:39 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:05:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>

Very interesting, yes, I just saw the change in leadership over at
BLIND Inc., and a few other changes.
Personal experience would still lead me to recommend LCB with the
utmost trust, but,due to the fact that I don't recognize any of BLIND
INC.'s leadership; I can no longer comment on that particular center.
You should also try contacting CBVH in New York, there is a
summer-long center type instruction session there as well, somewhere
upstate--inManhattanville I believe.
and the Carrol Center in Boston is legendary, though I can't speak
from personal experience on that one.





On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Mabelin,
>
>
>
> I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every other
> program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have not
> meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I
> gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to deal
> with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.
>
>
>
> That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short time
> since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell for
> the better.
>
>
>
> If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana
> Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in.
> BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana
> Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent teachers
> and facilities.
>
>
>
> Another place to consider is BISM. It's just as good as a NFB center but not
> officially affiliated with the NFB.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
>
>> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center to
>>
>> tgo to.
>> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that
>> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out
>> there.
>> If you can tell me let me know.
>> Thanks
>> Mabelin
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


-- 
Jorge A. Paez

LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:21:55 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:21:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>

Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?

On 11/12/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Very interesting, yes, I just saw the change in leadership over at
> BLIND Inc., and a few other changes.
> Personal experience would still lead me to recommend LCB with the
> utmost trust, but,due to the fact that I don't recognize any of BLIND
> INC.'s leadership; I can no longer comment on that particular center.
> You should also try contacting CBVH in New York, there is a
> summer-long center type instruction session there as well, somewhere
> upstate--inManhattanville I believe.
> and the Carrol Center in Boston is legendary, though I can't speak
> from personal experience on that one.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mabelin,
>>
>>
>>
>> I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every
>> other
>> program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have not
>> meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I
>> gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to
>> deal
>> with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short
>> time
>> since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell for
>> the better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana
>> Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in.
>> BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana
>> Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent
>> teachers
>> and facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another place to consider is BISM. It's just as good as a NFB center but
>> not
>> officially affiliated with the NFB.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>
>>
>>> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center
>>> to
>>>
>>> tgo to.
>>> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that
>>> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out
>>> there.
>>> If you can tell me let me know.
>>> Thanks
>>> Mabelin
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorgeapaez1994%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Jorge A. Paez
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 17:35:43 2014
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:35:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com><61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0569556305844C27AE71A4FC6CA4D761@ownerf49ceb395>

I can tell you as a Bostonian that the Carroll center is complete rubbish. 
They are only interested in money, and the quality of the training is 
slipping drastically. Also, they believe in the hierarchy of sight, treating 
students with more useable vision better than students with less. Also, it 
costs significantly more to send a student to the Carroll center than it 
does to send a student to any of the NFB Centers.



The Carroll center is extremely paternalistic not allowing students to go 
places on there own without permission, not allowing students to have 
friends of opposite gender in the dorm room even if both parties are adults, 
they do not permit students to drink even off campus, and a host of other 
policies that really irritate me.



Another point to consider is the Carroll uses so called Traditional methods 
instead of the structured discovery method used by the NFB centers. I 
personally believe that I received far superior training from BLIND Inc. 
than the Carroll center having attended both at different points in my life.



HTH

Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com>
To: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:05 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers


> Very interesting, yes, I just saw the change in leadership over at
> BLIND Inc., and a few other changes.
> Personal experience would still lead me to recommend LCB with the
> utmost trust, but,due to the fact that I don't recognize any of BLIND
> INC.'s leadership; I can no longer comment on that particular center.
> You should also try contacting CBVH in New York, there is a
> summer-long center type instruction session there as well, somewhere
> upstate--inManhattanville I believe.
> and the Carrol Center in Boston is legendary, though I can't speak
> from personal experience on that one.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mabelin,
>>
>>
>>
>> I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every 
>> other
>> program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have not
>> meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I
>> gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to 
>> deal
>> with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short 
>> time
>> since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell for
>> the better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana
>> Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in.
>> BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana
>> Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent 
>> teachers
>> and facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another place to consider is BISM. It's just as good as a NFB center but 
>> not
>> officially affiliated with the NFB.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>
>>
>>> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center 
>>> to
>>>
>>> tgo to.
>>> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that
>>> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out
>>> there.
>>> If you can tell me let me know.
>>> Thanks
>>> Mabelin
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorgeapaez1994%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> -- 
> Jorge A. Paez
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994 



From sjhhirst at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 18:40:26 2014
From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 13:40:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: FW: new guidance from ED and DOJ on
 effective communication with students with disabilities
In-Reply-To: <77164946A7E69C4B912FC07F169F7E45E7C64A@prod-exch02.acs.org>
References: <17130914.23196@public.govdelivery.com>
	<77164946A7E69C4B912FC07F169F7E45E7C64A@prod-exch02.acs.org>
Message-ID: <CAJojENQhgBSSFeXL062CO1sdHfQ1EdkxfqJRXhzoYx+fApLXOg@mail.gmail.com>

*From:* U.S. Department of Education [mailto:ed.gov at public.govdelivery.com]
*Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 13:15
*To:* Stephanie DeLuca
*Subject:* new guidance from ED and DOJ on effective communication with
students with disabilities



Dear Colleague:

Today the U.S. Department of Education’s Office for Civil Rights and Office
of Special Education and Rehabilitative Services, together with the U.S.
Department of Justice’s Civil Rights Division, issued joint guidance about
the rights of public elementary and secondary students with hearing,
vision, or speech disabilities to effective communication. The guidance, in
the form of a letter to educators
<http://links.govdelivery.com:80/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTIwMTQxMTEyLjM4MTA5ODAxJm1lc3NhZ2VpZD1NREItUFJELUJVTC0yMDE0MTExMi4zODEwOTgwMSZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEwMDEmc2VyaWFsPTE3MTMwOTE0JmVtYWlsaWQ9c19kZWx1Y2FAYWNzLm9yZyZ1c2VyaWQ9c19kZWx1Y2FAYWNzLm9yZyZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm&&&100&&&http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-effective-communication-201411.pdf>
(available in Spanish
<http://links.govdelivery.com:80/track?type=click&enid=ZWFzPTEmbWFpbGluZ2lkPTIwMTQxMTEyLjM4MTA5ODAxJm1lc3NhZ2VpZD1NREItUFJELUJVTC0yMDE0MTExMi4zODEwOTgwMSZkYXRhYmFzZWlkPTEwMDEmc2VyaWFsPTE3MTMwOTE0JmVtYWlsaWQ9c19kZWx1Y2FAYWNzLm9yZyZ1c2VyaWQ9c19kZWx1Y2FAYWNzLm9yZyZmbD0mZXh0cmE9TXVsdGl2YXJpYXRlSWQ9JiYm&&&101&&&http://www2.ed.gov/about/offices/list/ocr/letters/colleague-effective-communication-201411-sp.pdf>)
with
an attached Frequently Asked Questions document
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From: sjhhirst at gmail.com (Stephanie H. DeLuca)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:41:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} Fwd: FW: Please Participate! December 2nd
 Webinar - Determined to Succeed: Preparing for Postsecondary Education and
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*Sent:* Wednesday, November 12, 2014 14:07
*To:* Stephanie DeLuca
*Subject:* Please Participate! December 2nd Webinar - Determined to
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*Technical Assistance Webinar Opportunity*



On *Tuesday, December 2, 2014, *from* 2:00pm to 4:00pm ET*, the Youth
Transitions Collaborative in partnership with the U.S. Department of
Education, Office of Special Education and Rehabilitative Services (OSERS),
will host a free technical assistance webinar entitled, *Determined to
Succeed: Preparing for Postsecondary Education and Employment*.



At this webinar, OSERS funded Technical Assistance Centers, and
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 19:42:30 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 11:42:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
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	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<0569556305844C27AE71A4FC6CA4D761@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WU6-1w6xyN=9Xg=OqTFPa-=2QHY4cDp-OZ-vUmY6eNPEg@mail.gmail.com>

The center in Boston sounds a little like the Illinois School for the
Visually Impaired. They do their best to try and teach, though. I wish
there were an NFB training center here near Chicago.

On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I can tell you as a Bostonian that the Carroll center is complete rubbish.
> They are only interested in money, and the quality of the training is
> slipping drastically. Also, they believe in the hierarchy of sight, treating
>
> students with more useable vision better than students with less. Also, it
> costs significantly more to send a student to the Carroll center than it
> does to send a student to any of the NFB Centers.
>
>
>
> The Carroll center is extremely paternalistic not allowing students to go
> places on there own without permission, not allowing students to have
> friends of opposite gender in the dorm room even if both parties are adults,
>
> they do not permit students to drink even off campus, and a host of other
> policies that really irritate me.
>
>
>
> Another point to consider is the Carroll uses so called Traditional methods
>
> instead of the structured discovery method used by the NFB centers. I
> personally believe that I received far superior training from BLIND Inc.
> than the Carroll center having attended both at different points in my
> life.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jorge Paez" <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com>
> To: "Mark J. Cadigan" <kramc11 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:05 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>
>
>> Very interesting, yes, I just saw the change in leadership over at
>> BLIND Inc., and a few other changes.
>> Personal experience would still lead me to recommend LCB with the
>> utmost trust, but,due to the fact that I don't recognize any of BLIND
>> INC.'s leadership; I can no longer comment on that particular center.
>> You should also try contacting CBVH in New York, there is a
>> summer-long center type instruction session there as well, somewhere
>> upstate--inManhattanville I believe.
>> and the Carrol Center in Boston is legendary, though I can't speak
>> from personal experience on that one.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Mabelin,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every
>>> other
>>> program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have
>>> not
>>> meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I
>>> gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to
>>> deal
>>> with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short
>>> time
>>> since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell
>>> for
>>> the better.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana
>>> Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in.
>>> BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana
>>> Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent
>>> teachers
>>> and facilities.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Another place to consider is BISM. It's just as good as a NFB center but
>>>
>>> not
>>> officially affiliated with the NFB.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> HTH
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center
>>>>
>>>> to
>>>>
>>>> tgo to.
>>>> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one
>>>> that
>>>> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out
>>>> there.
>>>> If you can tell me let me know.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Mabelin
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>> nabs-l:
>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorgeapaez1994%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Jorge A. Paez
>>
>> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 20:42:48 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:42:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Are You Ready For Upbeat A Cappella Music To Entertain You
 On A Wednesday Night?
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+y8SJ2ZYWzGS4euDTXcK9hek1CwGB4wYBzHwyNh7WQEcQ@mail.gmail.com>

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whatever you like to do on a Wednesday night, make sure you make time
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Hear personal favorites, some songs I haven't played in awhile, a
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 Tune in and enjoy the true power of the human voice! I'll see you tonight!
 From David Dunphy


From alyssahenson95 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 20:44:16 2014
From: alyssahenson95 at gmail.com (Alyssa)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:44:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
Message-ID: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>

Hi NABS!
I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve them?
Best,
Alyssa 

Sent from my iPhone

From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 20:52:03 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 12:52:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
References: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WV4b74wuxV=ReR1_kMXCh4BJhZMN=GjNAO2-8yzgzYd6Q@mail.gmail.com>

Well, if you can't do the visual pictures, why not give the teacher an
alternative and try tactile pictures and demonstrate to her how you
can teach a child math with a tactile picture just as well as a person
with a visual picture. That way, the student can see what you're doing
and follow with his/her hands and so can you. Or, you could hire a
reader or assistant to help with the picture.

On 11/12/14, Alyssa via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi NABS!
> I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math
> instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with
> different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final
> exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind
> student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn
> how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For
> example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the
> coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to
> make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office
> can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I
> somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the
> class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a
> stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve
> them?
> Best,
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Nov 12 21:10:59 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:10:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
References: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B82DCC3@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello Alyssa:
	Under federal law, either section 504 or 508, there is a provision which states that establishments must provide reasonable accommodations in situations where normal means will not work; therefore, by federal law, either your instructor or the disability center must provide you with some sort of accommodation.
	If your instructor refuses to assist you in this matter, then the disability center will have to hire someone to read, interpret and draw the diagrams for you. In this event, the person would do their utmost to draw exactly what you describe, granted you have an understanding of what the diagrams should look like. In the event you do not know, then the disability center’s representative will have to describe it to you or provide you with a tactile representation.
	It seems silly to me that your instructor would require you to perform a task which will never be useful for you. A sighted person would never be required to read a braille book and a hearing-impaired student would never be asked to listen and interpret a musical ensemble.
	I hope this information helps!
Respectfully,
Michael ausbun

Michael Ausbun
Student assistive technology technician
University of Nevada, Reno
Secretary of the Nevada Chapter of NABS
President and cofounder of the UNR Philosophy club

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Alyssa via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:44 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations

Hi NABS!
I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve them?
Best,
Alyssa

Sent from my iPhone
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Nov 12 22:05:35 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 17:05:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com><61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395><CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>

Hi Kayla,

I cannot speak for Illinois.
Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good experiences,, 
after all its an NFB list.
I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's 
information. Give them a call and do your research.
Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any nonprofit 
centers too.

Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although I'm not 
a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no fan 
of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called 
youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision and 
blind high school students was fun.
But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to go off 
campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and M 
instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice 
outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus 
via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a certain time 
for quiet hours.

If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers. Also, 
check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and you even 
can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
Their website is www.hcblind.org.

Good luck with your decision.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kayla James via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?

On 11/12/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Very interesting, yes, I just saw the change in leadership over at
> BLIND Inc., and a few other changes.
> Personal experience would still lead me to recommend LCB with the
> utmost trust, but,due to the fact that I don't recognize any of BLIND
> INC.'s leadership; I can no longer comment on that particular center.
> You should also try contacting CBVH in New York, there is a
> summer-long center type instruction session there as well, somewhere
> upstate--inManhattanville I believe.
> and the Carrol Center in Boston is legendary, though I can't speak
> from personal experience on that one.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 11/12/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mabelin,
>>
>>
>>
>> I went to BLIND Inc. I liked the program and learned a lot. Like every
>> other
>> program, it has components I disagree with, and people who I may have not
>> meshed with, however the core of the program is solid, and the skills I
>> gained are invaluable. All programs have politics, and you just have to
>> deal
>> with it. The level of BS at blind Inc is no worse than anywhere else.
>>
>>
>>
>> That being said, BLIND Inc. is under new leadership, and in the short
>> time
>> since I have left, major changes have been made, from what I can tell for
>> the better.
>>
>>
>>
>> If I was you, the decision would be between BLIND Inc. and The Louisiana
>> Center. It all depends on what kind of environment you want to live in.
>> BLIND Inc. will better prepare you for urban living, while The Louisiana
>> Center will prepare you for more rural living. Both have excellent
>> teachers
>> and facilities.
>>
>>
>>
>> Another place to consider is BISM. It's just as good as a NFB center but
>> not
>> officially affiliated with the NFB.
>>
>>
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Mabelin Paez via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:43 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>>
>>
>>> Hello all, thanks for the emails, I'm not quite sure which rehab center
>>> to
>>>
>>> tgo to.
>>> I'm debating to either the Colorado center for the blind or the one that
>>> doug mentioned. I want to know all of the rehab centers that are out
>>> there.
>>> If you can tell me let me know.
>>> Thanks
>>> Mabelin
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kramc11%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorgeapaez1994%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Jorge A. Paez
>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 22:32:36 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 14:32:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B82DCC3@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B82DCC3@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAfVw_1FJqkQx36uRCvehWA2UT3YNFXmUcL1nvKLNnXdQ@mail.gmail.com>

If your disability center is not helpful, yu can try talking to the
department chair or dean of the school of education. You can email
this individual requesting a meeting. Also, if your professor makes
any statements denying you accommodations, be sure to get those in
writing. If its not written down, it doesn't count.
Arielle

On 11/12/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Alyssa:
> 	Under federal law, either section 504 or 508, there is a provision which
> states that establishments must provide reasonable accommodations in
> situations where normal means will not work; therefore, by federal law,
> either your instructor or the disability center must provide you with some
> sort of accommodation.
> 	If your instructor refuses to assist you in this matter, then the
> disability center will have to hire someone to read, interpret and draw the
> diagrams for you. In this event, the person would do their utmost to draw
> exactly what you describe, granted you have an understanding of what the
> diagrams should look like. In the event you do not know, then the disability
> center’s representative will have to describe it to you or provide you with
> a tactile representation.
> 	It seems silly to me that your instructor would require you to perform a
> task which will never be useful for you. A sighted person would never be
> required to read a braille book and a hearing-impaired student would never
> be asked to listen and interpret a musical ensemble.
> 	I hope this information helps!
> Respectfully,
> Michael ausbun
>
> Michael Ausbun
> Student assistive technology technician
> University of Nevada, Reno
> Secretary of the Nevada Chapter of NABS
> President and cofounder of the UNR Philosophy club
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Alyssa via nabs-l
> [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:44 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
>
> Hi NABS!
> I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math
> instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with
> different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final
> exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind
> student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn
> how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For
> example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the
> coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to
> make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office
> can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I
> somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the
> class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a
> stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve
> them?
> Best,
> Alyssa
>
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 23:00:15 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 18:00:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
References: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
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Personally, I'd attempt to do the drawings yourself before bringing in
someone to draw them for you. It'll help you begin to generate your own
independent alternatives and will show them that calling in an assistant is
not, or should not, be the default solution. Try using wikki stix to create
tactile diagrams. Also, and I can't for the life of me remember what it's
called now, but there is a square wire mesh you can lay paper on top of and
use Crayons to draw tactile representations. Maybe someone here will know
what this is called. Now, if the coordinator continues to be anal about a
certain way the drawings need to be handled, then call in the guns and start
talking 508 or 504 or whatever it is covers this kind of situation. Keep
good documentation of the things you are attempting to get around the
scenario. Unrealistic expectations? I'm not so sure. It's fair for them to
hold you to a similar standard if you are showing you can find alternative
ways of getting the job done.

Joe

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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via
nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:44 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations

Hi NABS!
I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math
instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with
different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final
exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind
student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn
how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For
example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the
coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to
make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office
can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I
somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the
class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a
stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve
them?
Best,
Alyssa 

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Nov 12 23:52:46 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 15:52:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about creating blogs
Message-ID: <5463f2e0.a626460a.5698.3bff@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am going to create a blog for my English class soon.  The blog entries will be 
responses to questions that my teacher asks us.  We also get to personalize the blog 
and I think we can add more entries if we wish.  I have a couple of questions:
Has anyone ever created a blog using Blogger? Were there any accessibility issues? 
Although this is what my teacher wants, he is understanding about it so I might be 
able to use a different blog site.
My second question is for bloggers in general: what is the URL? We have to pick a URL 
name tomorrow.  Is that the name of the blog?
Thanks,
Vejas


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 00:06:33 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 16:06:33 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about creating blogs
In-Reply-To: <5463f2e0.a626460a.5698.3bff@mx.google.com>
References: <5463f2e0.a626460a.5698.3bff@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WVk6yo+b_WncD6LFP5hndPbF=S8+6jv-o7GeQM36NkVdA@mail.gmail.com>

Blogger is accessible. I'm totally blind and had quite a few blogs up
there that I took down later on I believe, but it isn't so hard.
Another good one is Wordpress. And yes, the URL would be the name of
what you want your blog site to be called. Like www.google.com or
www.nfb.org, for instance.

On 11/12/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am going to create a blog for my English class soon.  The blog entries
> will be
> responses to questions that my teacher asks us.  We also get to personalize
> the blog
> and I think we can add more entries if we wish.  I have a couple of
> questions:
> Has anyone ever created a blog using Blogger? Were there any accessibility
> issues?
> Although this is what my teacher wants, he is understanding about it so I
> might be
> able to use a different blog site.
> My second question is for bloggers in general: what is the URL? We have to
> pick a URL
> name tomorrow.  Is that the name of the blog?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 05:20:04 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:20:04 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about creating blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WVk6yo+b_WncD6LFP5hndPbF=S8+6jv-o7GeQM36NkVdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5463f2e0.a626460a.5698.3bff@mx.google.com>
	<CAP4F+WVk6yo+b_WncD6LFP5hndPbF=S8+6jv-o7GeQM36NkVdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvKRiBqcnzMfUxrAVKJo8x0soB-TqP4b68FzC4fxaEFRw@mail.gmail.com>

Also, check out wordpress.com as a possible alternative to blogger
that is 100% accessible as well.

Jorge

On 11/12/14, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Blogger is accessible. I'm totally blind and had quite a few blogs up
> there that I took down later on I believe, but it isn't so hard.
> Another good one is Wordpress. And yes, the URL would be the name of
> what you want your blog site to be called. Like www.google.com or
> www.nfb.org, for instance.
>
> On 11/12/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I am going to create a blog for my English class soon.  The blog entries
>> will be
>> responses to questions that my teacher asks us.  We also get to
>> personalize
>> the blog
>> and I think we can add more entries if we wish.  I have a couple of
>> questions:
>> Has anyone ever created a blog using Blogger? Were there any
>> accessibility
>> issues?
>> Although this is what my teacher wants, he is understanding about it so I
>> might be
>> able to use a different blog site.
>> My second question is for bloggers in general: what is the URL? We have
>> to
>> pick a URL
>> name tomorrow.  Is that the name of the blog?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 05:33:25 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 00:33:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Urgent request for assistance.
Message-ID: <000001cfff03$59654eb0$0c2fec10$@gmail.com>

Urgent request for assistance.

 

Greetings. 

My name is Justin Williams, and I am requesting your assistance for a
research study for my statistics class.  Below is a questionnaire related to
the accessibility of restaurants through the perceptions of individuals with
visible or noticeable disabilities.  

Please read the informed consent page below for more information on the
study. 

The survey will take about ten minutes of your time.

Please send your responses in ASAP so that I may begin compiling the data.

Thanks,

Justin.

 

 

 

INFORMED CONSENT FORM


CLASSROOM RESEARCH Perceptions of Restaurant Accessibility.

You are invited to participate in a study that will determine the
accessibility of restaurants through the eyes of the customers with visible
or noticeable disabilities who frequent them. In addition, this study is
being conducted to fulfill the requirements of a class in Rehabilitation 702
Research Statistics.  The study is conducted by Justin H. Williams. Results
will be used to determine the accessibility of restaurants through the eyes
of the customers with visible disabilities who frequent them, and to receive
a grade in the course. Justin H. Williams can be reached at 803-467-8322 or
at  <mailto:justin.williams2 at gmail.com> justin.williams2 at gmail.comand   this
project is supervised by the course instructor, Dr. Robert Dawson,
Rehabilitation Counseling Department, University of South Carolina,
Columbia, SC 29212   <mailto:Robert.Dawson at uscmed.sc.edu>
Robert.Dawson at uscmed.sc.edu  or 803-434-8263.  Participation in this study
should take about 10 minutes of your time. Participation will involve
responding to 16 questions about restaurant accessibility through the
perceptions of persons with visible or noticeable disabilities.
Participation in this project is strictly voluntary. The risks associated
with this project are minimal. If, however, you experience discomfort you
may discontinue the interview at any time. We respect your right to choose
not to answer any questions that may make you feel uncomfortable. Refusal to
participate or withdrawal from participation will involve no penalty or loss
of benefits to which you are otherwise entitled.

 

Your responses will be identified through email, but only the researcher
will have access to the data, and the emails will be destroyed upon
completion of the research.  If you have any concerns or complaints about
how you were treated during the study, please contact Robert Dawson, Class
Instructor, at 803-434-8263, or write Rehabilitation Counseling Program,
3555 Harden Street Ext, Suite B-18, Columbia, SC 29203.

You may keep this page for your records. Please sign the next page if you
understand and agree to the above. If you do not understand any part of the
above statement, please ask the researcher any questions you have.

I have read and understood the foregoing descriptions of the study called
Perceptions of restaurant accessibility.  I have asked for and received a
satisfactory explanation of any language that I did not fully understand. I
agree to participate in this study, and I understand that I may withdraw my
consent at any time. I have received a copy of this consent form, and upon
Receival of your emailed response, it will be considered that you have given
your consent for the study.
















 

Before you begin, please answer the question below by answering yes or no

Is the nature of your disability so that it is noticed by others?

  

 

The following statements have to do with your experience when going out to
eat in a restaurant. For each of the statements given below, please mark the
one response that best represents your experience by placing an x before the
answer. 

1.  When I go out to a restaurant to eat, restaurant employees treat me as
well as they treat others who do not have a visible or noticeable
disability. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

2. Compared to patrons with no visible or noticeable disability, I am seated
at a table in a reasonable amount of time. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

3. Compared to patrons with no visible or noticeable disability, I am given
a reasonable amount of time to enjoy my meal

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

4. Sometimes the restaurant hostess seats another individual or group before
me when I should have been the next party seated. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

5. The waiter or waitress places the bill of payment near me as routinely as
they would any other patron who does not have a visible or noticeable
disability. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree 
Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

6. The physical area such as seating or tables are less accessible to me. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree  

7.  I have problems accessing and/or using the restroom facilities of the
restaurants. 

Strongly disagree  

Disagree  

Neutral  

Agree  

Strongly agree

 

For each of the statements, please indicate how often you experience the
situation presented. 

8. When you enter a restaurant and you are with friends, family, coworkers
etc., how often are you the first person in your party to be greeted by the
restaurant hostess? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

9. When you enter a restaurant and you are with friends, family, coworkers
etc., how often do you feel ignored by the restaurant employees? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

10. When you are being seated in a restaurant, how often does the restaurant
hostess ask you where you would like to be seated? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

11. When you are being seated in a restaurant, how often are you seated near
the restroom?

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

12. When you are being seated in a restaurant, how often are you seated at a
table close to the entrance of the restaurant? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

13. When you are being seated in a restaurant, how often are you seated in a
pleasant location, such as near a window or where there is a nice view? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

14. How often does the waiter or waitress directly address you for your food
and drink order? 

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

15. When you go out to eat, how often do you feel welcome in the restaurant?


Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always 

16.  When you go out to eat, how often is the restaurant's menu accessible
to you?

Never 

Seldom 

Quite often 

Very often 

Always

 

 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 05:35:29 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 21:35:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Blindtlk] Colorado NFB Job
In-Reply-To: <auto-000006035322@mailfront2.g2host.com>
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---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: David Andrews via blindtlk <blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 19:58:53 -0600
Subject: [Blindtlk] Colorado NFB Job
To: jobs at nfbnet.org


>From: <slabarre at labarrelaw.com>
>To: <dandrews at visi.com>
>Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:19:15 -0700
>
>Greetings:
>
>The National Federation of the Blind of Colorado has been engaging
>in substantial membership and programmatic growth throughout the
>state and is committed to continuing this growth over the next few
>years.  We wish to hire an individual to serve in the role of
>Chapter and Community Development Coordinator.  The main objective
>of this position is to spread the message and philosophy of the
>Federation to all parts of our state. Much of this position consists
>of supporting and strengthening existing chapters and programs and
>assisting to build new ones. The staff person will also help in
>general outreach matters to the broader public and thereby help
>raise the profile of the Federation. This person will also assist
>with marketing including the development of marketing materials,
>website updates, and social media. The individual will work closely
>with the President, board of directors and fundraising chair to
>develop robust friend-raising and fundraising strategies. This
>person will be responsible for maintaining a database of membership
>contact information that will be used to disseminate important
>information throughout our affiliate. As chapter and community
>development coordinator it is important to willingly and cheerfully
>assist with other duties as assigned.
>
>The first requirement of this position is to have an individual who
>is well versed in the philosophy and history of the Federation and
>someone who has demonstrated  leadership and capacity to build the
>movement.  The person must possess excellent organizational skills
>and have the ability to self-motivate and stay on task.  The person
>must be available to travel throughout the state of Colorado and
>attend other national events as assigned.  A college degree or
>higher level of education is preferred but not necessarily
>mandatory.  The person must be able to communicate well through
>effective command of the written and spoken word including a high
>level of computer literacy. This person must be willing to work a
>non-traditional schedule including many evenings and
>weekends.  Salary is dependent upon experience and
>qualifications.   Other benefits will be made available.
>
>If you are interested in this position, please contact the
>President, Scott LaBarre, via email at
><mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com>slabarre at labarrelaw.com and include
>your resume and a cover letter explaining why you believe you are a
>candidate for this position.
>
>Thanks,
>Scott C. LaBarre, Esq.
>President, NFB Colorado
>
>
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 07:24:17 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 02:24:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Repost of Urgent Request
Message-ID: <005801cfff12$d6353860$829fa920$@gmail.com>

Urgent request for assistance.

First, let me apologize for flooding the list.  I am inexperienced at
sending surveys.

 

Greetings. 

My name is Justin Williams, and I am requesting your assistance for a
research study for my statistics class.  Attached is a questionnaire related
to the accessibility of restaurants through the perceptions of individuals
with visible or noticeable disabilities.  

The survey will take about ten minutes of your time.

My email address is justin.williams2 at gmail.com.

Please send your responses to me off list ASAP so that I may begin compiling
the data.  Thank you for your assistance.

 

Warm Regards,

Justin.

 

 

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 14:54:24 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 09:54:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a few questions about creating blogs
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPvKRiBqcnzMfUxrAVKJo8x0soB-TqP4b68FzC4fxaEFRw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5463f2e0.a626460a.5698.3bff@mx.google.com>
	<CAP4F+WVk6yo+b_WncD6LFP5hndPbF=S8+6jv-o7GeQM36NkVdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPvKRiBqcnzMfUxrAVKJo8x0soB-TqP4b68FzC4fxaEFRw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fa9a0wRqymDNm5ZTmjh0FQ2SjgF8yUDWRBagNtj_Xvo=A@mail.gmail.com>

I've used Blogger for English class blogs before and loved it.  It's
very easy to use with screenreaders.  I haven't used wordpress since
I've always had no reason to switch from blogger, but I hear only good
things about it.

On 11/13/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Also, check out wordpress.com as a possible alternative to blogger
> that is 100% accessible as well.
>
> Jorge
>
> On 11/12/14, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Blogger is accessible. I'm totally blind and had quite a few blogs up
>> there that I took down later on I believe, but it isn't so hard.
>> Another good one is Wordpress. And yes, the URL would be the name of
>> what you want your blog site to be called. Like www.google.com or
>> www.nfb.org, for instance.
>>
>> On 11/12/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am going to create a blog for my English class soon.  The blog entries
>>> will be
>>> responses to questions that my teacher asks us.  We also get to
>>> personalize
>>> the blog
>>> and I think we can add more entries if we wish.  I have a couple of
>>> questions:
>>> Has anyone ever created a blog using Blogger? Were there any
>>> accessibility
>>> issues?
>>> Although this is what my teacher wants, he is understanding about it so
>>> I
>>> might be
>>> able to use a different blog site.
>>> My second question is for bloggers in general: what is the URL? We have
>>> to
>>> pick a URL
>>> name tomorrow.  Is that the name of the blog?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/christgirl813%40gmail.com
>>>
>>
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>
>
> --
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>
> LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 19:40:36 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:40:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader
Message-ID: <7F303C1B-2EC4-42B9-9153-3DF19B67C539@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I hope everyone is doing well. I just purchased the new KN FB reader application and him having a couple of questions. It seems when I take the picture it takes a while to recognize what was taken. Also, when I hit the back button or any buttons it takes a time forThe program to respond. Has anyone else had these issues, what is going on, wasn't sure if it was just my phone or the application itself? Thanks so much for any help that can be given.

Sent from my iPhone

From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 19:41:39 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:41:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
Message-ID: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)

Sent from my iPhone

From jahmallovato at me.com  Thu Nov 13 19:42:43 2014
From: jahmallovato at me.com (Jahmal Lovato)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 12:42:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] knfb reader
In-Reply-To: <7F303C1B-2EC4-42B9-9153-3DF19B67C539@gmail.com>
References: <7F303C1B-2EC4-42B9-9153-3DF19B67C539@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12506AF1-BF74-4D3C-AD4F-FD309148AAE4@me.com>

Which phone do you have?




> On Nov 13, 2014, at 12:40 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I hope everyone is doing well. I just purchased the new KN FB reader application and him having a couple of questions. It seems when I take the picture it takes a while to recognize what was taken. Also, when I hit the back button or any buttons it takes a time forThe program to respond. Has anyone else had these issues, what is going on, wasn't sure if it was just my phone or the application itself? Thanks so much for any help that can be given.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:24:11 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:24:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
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Check out the blind talk mailing list.  
It address is 
blindtlk at nfbnet.org

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via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I
can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or
anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using
alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)

Sent from my iPhone
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 21:50:20 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 13:50:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuruTiqzKpzBUhgwjFL5OqRuMt8bjc_-wq+L6-fa3uROQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Nabs:
So, I was wondering something.
So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something
that my parents aren't comfortable with.
This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
list is my desire to go away from home for college.
How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
feel extremely uncomfortable.
I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all
my family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual
non-sight related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
Either way, how do you deal with this?
I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as
telling them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had
a chance to talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily
agree with, my decision.
Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
like theey were left out of the conversation.
If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.

Thanks,

Jorge


From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Nov 13 21:50:49 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:50:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs-l) Mathamatics, symbols,
	and braille Oh my! (question)
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B82E2F1@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello All:
	My name is Michael Ausbun. I am an honors sophomore at the University of Nevada, Reno currently pursuing and bachelor’s degree in Philosophy and Anthropology (my goals include a doctorate degree directly after). My question goes out to any Mathematicians, computer scientists or, if I am lucky, Philosophy students.
	Apart of any ‘good’ Philosophy program, is a course called Symbolic Logic. Symbolic logic is inherently visual, in the sense that it utilizes nontraditional symbols to represent propositions in different type of proof-forms. Due to the nature of the course, my University is attempting to find or create some sort of Braille-code, which is universally used by logicians.
	My question, then, is there a currently existent braille-code for symbolic logic? If so, what is it called and can duxberry use it? If not, has anyone encountered a situation like this? If so, what methods did you utilize to over-come this problem.
	Thank you all for your attention and future assistance in this matter.
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

Michael Ausbun
Student Assistive Technology Specialist
University of Nevada, Reno
Secretary of the Nevada NABS Chapter


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 22:10:44 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:10:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPuruTiqzKpzBUhgwjFL5OqRuMt8bjc_-wq+L6-fa3uROQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPuruTiqzKpzBUhgwjFL5OqRuMt8bjc_-wq+L6-fa3uROQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D38A94FF-E667-43F8-975E-E95A5606D534@gmail.com>

Thanks for bringing this topic up because i am dealing with the same situation.  I am currently attending a comunity college and i commute from home. There are no busses in my area so my parents drop me up and pick me up to my college.  
Luckily i only have class on Monday and Wednesday, but even though i graduated from the Louisiana  center for the blind i do not think they believe in my independent  skills.  I always have to prove my self to them because i am the only blind person in my family.  
I am going to transfer to Georgia State in August of 2015 and my parents also do not want me to live on campus.  They told me that i will be struggling a lot.   

Shikha. 

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Nabs:
> So, I was wondering something.
> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something
> that my parents aren't comfortable with.
> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
> list is my desire to go away from home for college.
> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
> feel extremely uncomfortable.
> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all
> my family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual
> non-sight related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
> Either way, how do you deal with this?
> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as
> telling them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had
> a chance to talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily
> agree with, my decision.
> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
> like theey were left out of the conversation.
> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From nightfury19 at verizon.net  Thu Nov 13 22:53:15 2014
From: nightfury19 at verizon.net (Melissa Hambleton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:53:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <002601cfff88$2b5687c0$82039740$@gmail.com>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
	<002601cfff88$2b5687c0$82039740$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101cfff94$9c7bde80$d5739b80$@verizon.net>

You may just want to go to the list suggested below but, I'd be happy to
give you any tips you may want.

Melissa

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:24 PM
To: 'Gloria Graves'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] General questions

Check out the blind talk mailing list.  
It address is
blindtlk at nfbnet.org

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions

Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I
can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or
anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using
alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)

Sent from my iPhone
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 22:54:45 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 16:54:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <000101cfff94$9c7bde80$d5739b80$@verizon.net>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
	<002601cfff88$2b5687c0$82039740$@gmail.com>
	<000101cfff94$9c7bde80$d5739b80$@verizon.net>
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Thank you so much for offering your help. I don't wear a lot of make up and use it when I do I have someone help me to put it on. The only thing that I would be interested in wearing is mascara and possibly lipstick. My husband has a sister who lives in Mexico does make up tattooing and I had her tattoo my eyeliner so this way I would never have to do it but I would love to be able to wear mascara and I find it difficult to put it on without assistancejust was wondering if there were any Blenis techniques or tips or tricks you could provide me that it would be easier. Thank you so much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 4:53 PM, Melissa Hambleton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You may just want to go to the list suggested below but, I'd be happy to
> give you any tips you may want.
> 
> Melissa
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of justin williams
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:24 PM
> To: 'Gloria Graves'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] General questions
> 
> Check out the blind talk mailing list.  
> It address is
> blindtlk at nfbnet.org
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
> 
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I
> can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or
> anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using
> alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 22:59:56 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415919596.46078.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Gloria, 

              I was actually going to ask this question too, so thanks for asking it. I don't know  many other blind/visually impaired people so I couldn't compare makeup strategies with them, but I have picked up a few tricks on my own. I can apply my own foundation, but I need someone to make sure that it is blended in correctly.  However, I can put on my own mascara. I use a vibrating mascara wand which I just put by my eye lashes and it pretty much does it for you. The one I use is from Lancom. I used to use a maybelline version which was much cheaper, but I could not find it when I went to buy a new one. They might have stopped selling it. I can also apply my own lipstick. It's a good idea to run a finger around your lips to make sure there aren't any smears. I hope that helps.

Best, 
Kaley



On Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)

Sent from my iPhone
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Thu Nov 13 22:59:56 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 14:59:56 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1415919596.46078.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi Gloria, 

              I was actually going to ask this question too, so thanks for asking it. I don't know  many other blind/visually impaired people so I couldn't compare makeup strategies with them, but I have picked up a few tricks on my own. I can apply my own foundation, but I need someone to make sure that it is blended in correctly.  However, I can put on my own mascara. I use a vibrating mascara wand which I just put by my eye lashes and it pretty much does it for you. The one I use is from Lancom. I used to use a maybelline version which was much cheaper, but I could not find it when I went to buy a new one. They might have stopped selling it. I can also apply my own lipstick. It's a good idea to run a finger around your lips to make sure there aren't any smears. I hope that helps.

Best, 
Kaley



On Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 


Hello all,
I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)

Sent from my iPhone
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From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 23:51:25 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:51:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <1415919596.46078.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
	<1415919596.46078.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9f2EcDZfWOuB3=nzRYMqmWAnBufsgOfLNM1UiG5-QDGkg@mail.gmail.com>

check this link
there are numerous tips for every step of makeup for blind people
http://www.visionaware.org/info/everyday-living/essential-skills/personal-self-care/makeup-application/1234

2014-11-13 17:59 GMT-05:00, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Gloria,
>
>               I was actually going to ask this question too, so thanks for
> asking it. I don't know  many other blind/visually impaired people so I
> couldn't compare makeup strategies with them, but I have picked up a few
> tricks on my own. I can apply my own foundation, but I need someone to make
> sure that it is blended in correctly.  However, I can put on my own mascara.
> I use a vibrating mascara wand which I just put by my eye lashes and it
> pretty much does it for you. The one I use is from Lancom. I used to use a
> maybelline version which was much cheaper, but I could not find it when I
> went to buy a new one. They might have stopped selling it. I can also apply
> my own lipstick. It's a good idea to run a finger around your lips to make
> sure there aren't any smears. I hope that helps.
>
> Best,
> Kaley
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
>
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I
> can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or
> anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using
> alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Nov 13 23:55:09 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:55:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] General questions
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9f2EcDZfWOuB3=nzRYMqmWAnBufsgOfLNM1UiG5-QDGkg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8036947D-A8FD-476A-9F72-533A558B14C0@gmail.com>
	<1415919596.46078.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAMtP_9f2EcDZfWOuB3=nzRYMqmWAnBufsgOfLNM1UiG5-QDGkg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DCCD6A0C-5837-4FB7-BFE5-792CC5494212@gmail.com>

Thank you so much for this

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 5:51 PM, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> check this link
> there are numerous tips for every step of makeup for blind people
> http://www.visionaware.org/info/everyday-living/essential-skills/personal-self-care/makeup-application/1234
> 
> 2014-11-13 17:59 GMT-05:00, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi Gloria,
>> 
>>              I was actually going to ask this question too, so thanks for
>> asking it. I don't know  many other blind/visually impaired people so I
>> couldn't compare makeup strategies with them, but I have picked up a few
>> tricks on my own. I can apply my own foundation, but I need someone to make
>> sure that it is blended in correctly.  However, I can put on my own mascara.
>> I use a vibrating mascara wand which I just put by my eye lashes and it
>> pretty much does it for you. The one I use is from Lancom. I used to use a
>> maybelline version which was much cheaper, but I could not find it when I
>> went to buy a new one. They might have stopped selling it. I can also apply
>> my own lipstick. It's a good idea to run a finger around your lips to make
>> sure there aren't any smears. I hope that helps.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Thursday, November 13, 2014 2:42 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> I was wondering if anyone could direct me to one of the NFB forums that I
>> can ask general questions? I'm wanting to talk to other blind women or
>> anyone who can give advice on how to apply makeup as a blind person using
>> alternative techniques. Thanks in advance :-)
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> _______________________________________________
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 01:00:07 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:00:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parents in a personal decision setting
Message-ID: <007001cfffa6$56a76a20$03f63e60$@gmail.com>

Jorge,

These are just some suggestions you may consider:

First, let them know you're considering a distant campus and that you're
planning on applying, just to see what'll happen. This lets them know your
intentions but also points out that you're just applying. If you don't get
accepted, then there's no harm, but it'll plant the seed so they won't get
caught off guard later when you are in fact admitted to the school. Think
positive, right?

Second, do all the research you can to figure out logistics. Research things
like housing, school and public transportation, courses, etc. Basically you
ought to be able to anticipate their questions and have a tentative plan
laid out. There are things you won't be able to do from home, but let them
know you've given this a lot of thought and have meticulously planned out
ways to be independent.

Third, if at all possible, take a tour of the campus. Often times it's the
unknown that drives parents a little crazy. If they can see where you're
hoping to study, they might feel better, and it'll give them an opportunity
to ask questions. Maybe even, curse me for suggesting this, meet with the
campus disability service. That approach could go really well or really bad.
Hopefully it'll fall somewhere in the middle, but if you do take that route,
it might make them feel even more comfortable.

Ultimately though, probably one of the best things you can do is start being
proactive about your independence now. My parents had no beef with my going
away for school because they'd grown used to me going away for camps or
extended field trips and the like.

Mind you, I'm assuming you're still in high school. If not, as in if you're
an adult, you sort of get to a point where you say "I'm leaving, and umm,
that's that." I know it sounds a little trite, but sometimes it's the
parents who have a harder time letting go, and I think this has more to do
with parenting by nature than anything to do with blindness, though
blindness certainly adds another level of stress for them.


Best of luck to you, and if they still need convincing, look me up off-line.
I'll call, talk to them, give them another perspective on helping them know
Jorge really is going to be fine on his own. Take it easy.

Joe
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting

Hi Nabs:
So, I was wondering something.
So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something that my
parents aren't comfortable with.
This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this list
is my desire to go away from home for college.
How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but feel
extremely uncomfortable.
I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all my
family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual non-sight
related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
Either way, how do you deal with this?
I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as telling
them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had a chance to
talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily agree with, my
decision.
Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling like
theey were left out of the conversation.
If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.

Thanks,

Jorge

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 01:56:28 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:56:28 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iphone question
Message-ID: <54656160.015b460a.222b.ffffcac6@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I would really appreciate it if you could help me with this.  My iPhone is paired 
with my braille-note.  How do you select text from the IPhone and paste it into a 
document/ence-mail?
Thanks,

Vejas


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 02:08:46 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:08:46 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iphone question
In-Reply-To: <54656160.015b460a.222b.ffffcac6@mx.google.com>
References: <54656160.015b460a.222b.ffffcac6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuLhLM14uZnhOF8DL+pgNSsAgowupwMKOKMibT1rDR9PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Vejas:
You get to the text with voiceover, then gothrough the roder
options--that's by using both your fingers in a kind of wheel motion,
and kinda going in a circle, until you hear edit, then flick down till
you hear select all.
Once you do that flick down until you hear coppy.
Then go to your app, wherever you're intending to paste, and flick
down on the same menu until you hear "paste" and double tap.
That's it.

Oh, by the way, just out of curiosity, did you go to Blind Inc.'sbuddy
program in 2010?




On 11/13/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I would really appreciate it if you could help me with this.  My iPhone is
> paired
> with my braille-note.  How do you select text from the IPhone and paste it
> into a
> document/ence-mail?
> Thanks,
>
> Vejas
>
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Nov 14 02:10:34 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:10:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iphone question
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPuLhLM14uZnhOF8DL+pgNSsAgowupwMKOKMibT1rDR9PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54656160.015b460a.222b.ffffcac6@mx.google.com>
	<CAA+vbPuLhLM14uZnhOF8DL+pgNSsAgowupwMKOKMibT1rDR9PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DFB6EA24-FC79-4890-A0E9-F1036FED1CDB@me.com>

To actually answer your question, the command to copy is space with C. I don't think there's a command to select all.
God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Nov 13, 2014, at 21:08, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Vejas:
> You get to the text with voiceover, then gothrough the roder
> options--that's by using both your fingers in a kind of wheel motion,
> and kinda going in a circle, until you hear edit, then flick down till
> you hear select all.
> Once you do that flick down until you hear coppy.
> Then go to your app, wherever you're intending to paste, and flick
> down on the same menu until you hear "paste" and double tap.
> That's it.
> 
> Oh, by the way, just out of curiosity, did you go to Blind Inc.'sbuddy
> program in 2010?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 11/13/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I would really appreciate it if you could help me with this.  My iPhone is
>> paired
>> with my braille-note.  How do you select text from the IPhone and paste it
>> into a
>> document/ence-mail?
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Vejas
>> 
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> 
> 
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> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 02:33:59 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 18:33:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] iphone question
Message-ID: <54656a2c.43a2440a.023b.ffffe12e@mx.google.com>

I found the select text command online but I am still having problems.  (It's space 
with dots 2-3-5-6).  Have you been successful at copying things before? For some 
reason when I hit space with c, nothing happens.  Isn't it supposed to say that it 
was copied? Then when I try to paste, it doesn't work (I think because the copy 
didn't work either)
And yes, Jorge, I did go to buddy camp and remember you from there.
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:10:34 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iphone question

To actually answer your question, the command to copy is space with C.  I don't think 
there's a command to select all.
God bless.  :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

 On Nov 13, 2014, at 21:08, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Vejas:
 You get to the text with voiceover, then gothrough the roder
 options--that's by using both your fingers in a kind of wheel motion,
 and kinda going in a circle, until you hear edit, then flick down till
 you hear select all.
 Once you do that flick down until you hear coppy.
 Then go to your app, wherever you're intending to paste, and flick
 down on the same menu until you hear "paste" and double tap.
 That's it.

 Oh, by the way, just out of curiosity, did you go to Blind Inc.'sbuddy
 program in 2010?




 On 11/13/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi All,
 I would really appreciate it if you could help me with this.  My iPhone is
 paired
 with my braille-note.  How do you select text from the IPhone and paste it
 into a
 document/ence-mail?
 Thanks,

 Vejas

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 03:30:23 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:30:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <007001cfffa6$56a76a20$03f63e60$@gmail.com>
References: <007001cfffa6$56a76a20$03f63e60$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FazLGOtcDv0-hDMCy1XCFxTk15Y1vwEc9XSFCgtzCOdcA@mail.gmail.com>

Well said.  And, I'd add that if you haven't been away for an extended
period of time more than once or twice, this summer would be a great
time to do it.  If your parents see you stay away from home for an
extended time with no problem in the summer, then when you return home
fine college won't be so scary to them.



On 11/13/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Jorge,
>
> These are just some suggestions you may consider:
>
> First, let them know you're considering a distant campus and that you're
> planning on applying, just to see what'll happen. This lets them know your
> intentions but also points out that you're just applying. If you don't get
> accepted, then there's no harm, but it'll plant the seed so they won't get
> caught off guard later when you are in fact admitted to the school. Think
> positive, right?
>
> Second, do all the research you can to figure out logistics. Research
> things
> like housing, school and public transportation, courses, etc. Basically you
> ought to be able to anticipate their questions and have a tentative plan
> laid out. There are things you won't be able to do from home, but let them
> know you've given this a lot of thought and have meticulously planned out
> ways to be independent.
>
> Third, if at all possible, take a tour of the campus. Often times it's the
> unknown that drives parents a little crazy. If they can see where you're
> hoping to study, they might feel better, and it'll give them an opportunity
> to ask questions. Maybe even, curse me for suggesting this, meet with the
> campus disability service. That approach could go really well or really
> bad.
> Hopefully it'll fall somewhere in the middle, but if you do take that
> route,
> it might make them feel even more comfortable.
>
> Ultimately though, probably one of the best things you can do is start
> being
> proactive about your independence now. My parents had no beef with my going
> away for school because they'd grown used to me going away for camps or
> extended field trips and the like.
>
> Mind you, I'm assuming you're still in high school. If not, as in if you're
> an adult, you sort of get to a point where you say "I'm leaving, and umm,
> that's that." I know it sounds a little trite, but sometimes it's the
> parents who have a harder time letting go, and I think this has more to do
> with parenting by nature than anything to do with blindness, though
> blindness certainly adds another level of stress for them.
>
>
> Best of luck to you, and if they still need convincing, look me up
> off-line.
> I'll call, talk to them, give them another perspective on helping them know
> Jorge really is going to be fine on his own. Take it easy.
>
> Joe
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
>
> Hi Nabs:
> So, I was wondering something.
> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something that my
> parents aren't comfortable with.
> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this list
> is my desire to go away from home for college.
> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but feel
> extremely uncomfortable.
> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all my
> family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual non-sight
> related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
> Either way, how do you deal with this?
> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as telling
> them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had a chance to
> talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily agree with, my
> decision.
> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling like
> theey were left out of the conversation.
> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 03:38:13 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 22:38:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <D38A94FF-E667-43F8-975E-E95A5606D534@gmail.com>
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	<D38A94FF-E667-43F8-975E-E95A5606D534@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZDwK4CEgqjOoA+bzGq5yGQADO8nRw87pJyohZtM-QXyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

One of the things I asked my parents to do was to give me a chance.
Granted, my family didn't have as much of a choice because I'm in a
major that is only offered at specific colleges, but my mom especially
was really scared.  She'd also use the college thing as a
privilledge---which it is, but she'd say, "If you don't do this I
won't let you go to UD.  I'll only be out the $400 deposit.

My first semester had her really nervous.  She got mad at me for
walking home at night (Sorry mom, it's a thing called class that
starts at 7:30), and she'd also get super nervous when she saw that
the weather in my school city was bad.  She tried to give me a TV
several times because she was concerned about my ability to check the
weather, even though I promised her that I use the internet and
wouldn't have time to watch TV anyway, besides at home I don't even
watch TV that much.  She was also worried that the school would give
me trouble.  After the first semester she eased up, and especially
after the first year she calmed down.  I think some of the issues were
related to my blindness, but it was mainly because I'm her oldest kid
going off to school.  I think that college is just as much of a
transition for the parents as it is for you, especially if you're the
first kid to go, so just try to keep that in mind.  On the other hand
though, stand up for what you want.  Ultimately, it's your future and
your degree you're after, and if you like a particular school or a
specific program for your major, then you should definitely go for it.

Hope this helps.

On 11/13/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks for bringing this topic up because i am dealing with the same
> situation.  I am currently attending a comunity college and i commute from
> home. There are no busses in my area so my parents drop me up and pick me up
> to my college.
> Luckily i only have class on Monday and Wednesday, but even though i
> graduated from the Louisiana  center for the blind i do not think they
> believe in my independent  skills.  I always have to prove my self to them
> because i am the only blind person in my family.
> I am going to transfer to Georgia State in August of 2015 and my parents
> also do not want me to live on campus.  They told me that i will be
> struggling a lot.
>
> Shikha.
>
>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Nabs:
>> So, I was wondering something.
>> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something
>> that my parents aren't comfortable with.
>> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
>> list is my desire to go away from home for college.
>> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
>> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
>> feel extremely uncomfortable.
>> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all
>> my family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual
>> non-sight related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
>> Either way, how do you deal with this?
>> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as
>> telling them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had
>> a chance to talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily
>> agree with, my decision.
>> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
>> like theey were left out of the conversation.
>> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 03:44:24 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 19:44:24 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FazLGOtcDv0-hDMCy1XCFxTk15Y1vwEc9XSFCgtzCOdcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007001cfffa6$56a76a20$03f63e60$@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FazLGOtcDv0-hDMCy1XCFxTk15Y1vwEc9XSFCgtzCOdcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBGgtTpmVxT5Z7Amkvwdagdzkgmbd_fN4c3S5WyfC_Cpg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jorge and all,
If I need to bring up a potentially contentious subject with my
parents, I will often start the conversation by writing them a letter
outlining how I feel about the issue, and either emailing it to them
or leaving it out somewhere where they will find it. I do this for two
main reasons. One is that the dynamics I have with my parents are such
that I will often get intimidated or guilted by their initial response
and tend to back down more than I should if we discuss something in
person, but with aletter it's easier to get all my points across. The
second reason is that the letter gives them time to digest what I have
to say instead of just quickly reacting. I've done this a few times
and found that my letters always led to productive conversations in
person after my parents read them, and they were more open to my point
of view. So if you're worried about how to bring up your decision of
where to go to school, I might suggest writing them a letter first.
Explain in your letter why you want to attend this school, and in as
much detail as possible, your plans for paying the tuition and caring
for yourself away from home. If you can show them you are mature and
able to plan ahead, and that this isn't an impulse decision but one
that you've really thought through, they should be more accepting of
it. You can also tell them that because you know many blind students
who have successfully attended college away from home, you are very
confident that your blindness will not interfere with your
independence and that you have a network of blind people to call upon
if you ever have questions about how to handle tasks as a blind
person. Hopefully after reading your letter, your parents will be
willing to discuss this with you in a positive way and share their
specific concerns with you while being open to your needs as well.
Best,
Arielle

On 11/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Well said.  And, I'd add that if you haven't been away for an extended
> period of time more than once or twice, this summer would be a great
> time to do it.  If your parents see you stay away from home for an
> extended time with no problem in the summer, then when you return home
> fine college won't be so scary to them.
>
>
>
> On 11/13/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Jorge,
>>
>> These are just some suggestions you may consider:
>>
>> First, let them know you're considering a distant campus and that you're
>> planning on applying, just to see what'll happen. This lets them know
>> your
>> intentions but also points out that you're just applying. If you don't
>> get
>> accepted, then there's no harm, but it'll plant the seed so they won't
>> get
>> caught off guard later when you are in fact admitted to the school. Think
>> positive, right?
>>
>> Second, do all the research you can to figure out logistics. Research
>> things
>> like housing, school and public transportation, courses, etc. Basically
>> you
>> ought to be able to anticipate their questions and have a tentative plan
>> laid out. There are things you won't be able to do from home, but let
>> them
>> know you've given this a lot of thought and have meticulously planned out
>> ways to be independent.
>>
>> Third, if at all possible, take a tour of the campus. Often times it's
>> the
>> unknown that drives parents a little crazy. If they can see where you're
>> hoping to study, they might feel better, and it'll give them an
>> opportunity
>> to ask questions. Maybe even, curse me for suggesting this, meet with the
>> campus disability service. That approach could go really well or really
>> bad.
>> Hopefully it'll fall somewhere in the middle, but if you do take that
>> route,
>> it might make them feel even more comfortable.
>>
>> Ultimately though, probably one of the best things you can do is start
>> being
>> proactive about your independence now. My parents had no beef with my
>> going
>> away for school because they'd grown used to me going away for camps or
>> extended field trips and the like.
>>
>> Mind you, I'm assuming you're still in high school. If not, as in if
>> you're
>> an adult, you sort of get to a point where you say "I'm leaving, and umm,
>> that's that." I know it sounds a little trite, but sometimes it's the
>> parents who have a harder time letting go, and I think this has more to
>> do
>> with parenting by nature than anything to do with blindness, though
>> blindness certainly adds another level of stress for them.
>>
>>
>> Best of luck to you, and if they still need convincing, look me up
>> off-line.
>> I'll call, talk to them, give them another perspective on helping them
>> know
>> Jorge really is going to be fine on his own. Take it easy.
>>
>> Joe
>> --
>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>> via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
>>
>> Hi Nabs:
>> So, I was wondering something.
>> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something that
>> my
>> parents aren't comfortable with.
>> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
>> list
>> is my desire to go away from home for college.
>> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
>> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
>> feel
>> extremely uncomfortable.
>> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all my
>> family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual non-sight
>> related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
>> Either way, how do you deal with this?
>> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as telling
>> them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had a chance to
>> talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily agree with, my
>> decision.
>> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
>> like
>> theey were left out of the conversation.
>> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Jorge
>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 04:02:08 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:02:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs-l) Mathamatics, symbols,
	and braille Oh my! (question)
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Hi Michael,
You could try asking on the BlindMath list. I am not aware of any
standardized Braille code for symbolic logic. However, if it's just
for your own benefit and to communicate with your professor, could you
make up your own code and then just put a key at the top of your
papers? I did that in high school when I had to diagram sentences,
using a hyphen to connect adjectives and related nouns for example.
Arielle

On 11/13/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All:
> 	My name is Michael Ausbun. I am an honors sophomore at the University of
> Nevada, Reno currently pursuing and bachelor’s degree in Philosophy and
> Anthropology (my goals include a doctorate degree directly after). My
> question goes out to any Mathematicians, computer scientists or, if I am
> lucky, Philosophy students.
> 	Apart of any ‘good’ Philosophy program, is a course called Symbolic Logic.
> Symbolic logic is inherently visual, in the sense that it utilizes
> nontraditional symbols to represent propositions in different type of
> proof-forms. Due to the nature of the course, my University is attempting to
> find or create some sort of Braille-code, which is universally used by
> logicians.
> 	My question, then, is there a currently existent braille-code for symbolic
> logic? If so, what is it called and can duxberry use it? If not, has anyone
> encountered a situation like this? If so, what methods did you utilize to
> over-come this problem.
> 	Thank you all for your attention and future assistance in this matter.
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> Michael Ausbun
> Student Assistive Technology Specialist
> University of Nevada, Reno
> Secretary of the Nevada NABS Chapter
>
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 04:50:59 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 20:50:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZDwK4CEgqjOoA+bzGq5yGQADO8nRw87pJyohZtM-QXyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPuruTiqzKpzBUhgwjFL5OqRuMt8bjc_-wq+L6-fa3uROQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<D38A94FF-E667-43F8-975E-E95A5606D534@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZDwK4CEgqjOoA+bzGq5yGQADO8nRw87pJyohZtM-QXyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all:
Thanks for your thoughts.
Kaiti, for me its exactly the reverse of your case--in that I'm the
youngest one, so the last one to leave home.
I'll see what happens from here until August.
I have decided to go to a local training center, and I'll be taking
classes from the light house in O&M and so on, so maybe that will
slowly open up things a bit too.

Thanks,

Jorge


On 11/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> One of the things I asked my parents to do was to give me a chance.
> Granted, my family didn't have as much of a choice because I'm in a
> major that is only offered at specific colleges, but my mom especially
> was really scared.  She'd also use the college thing as a
> privilledge---which it is, but she'd say, "If you don't do this I
> won't let you go to UD.  I'll only be out the $400 deposit.
>
> My first semester had her really nervous.  She got mad at me for
> walking home at night (Sorry mom, it's a thing called class that
> starts at 7:30), and she'd also get super nervous when she saw that
> the weather in my school city was bad.  She tried to give me a TV
> several times because she was concerned about my ability to check the
> weather, even though I promised her that I use the internet and
> wouldn't have time to watch TV anyway, besides at home I don't even
> watch TV that much.  She was also worried that the school would give
> me trouble.  After the first semester she eased up, and especially
> after the first year she calmed down.  I think some of the issues were
> related to my blindness, but it was mainly because I'm her oldest kid
> going off to school.  I think that college is just as much of a
> transition for the parents as it is for you, especially if you're the
> first kid to go, so just try to keep that in mind.  On the other hand
> though, stand up for what you want.  Ultimately, it's your future and
> your degree you're after, and if you like a particular school or a
> specific program for your major, then you should definitely go for it.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On 11/13/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thanks for bringing this topic up because i am dealing with the same
>> situation.  I am currently attending a comunity college and i commute
>> from
>> home. There are no busses in my area so my parents drop me up and pick me
>> up
>> to my college.
>> Luckily i only have class on Monday and Wednesday, but even though i
>> graduated from the Louisiana  center for the blind i do not think they
>> believe in my independent  skills.  I always have to prove my self to
>> them
>> because i am the only blind person in my family.
>> I am going to transfer to Georgia State in August of 2015 and my parents
>> also do not want me to live on campus.  They told me that i will be
>> struggling a lot.
>>
>> Shikha.
>>
>>> On Nov 13, 2014, at 4:50 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Nabs:
>>> So, I was wondering something.
>>> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something
>>> that my parents aren't comfortable with.
>>> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
>>> list is my desire to go away from home for college.
>>> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
>>> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
>>> feel extremely uncomfortable.
>>> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all
>>> my family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual
>>> non-sight related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
>>> Either way, how do you deal with this?
>>> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as
>>> telling them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had
>>> a chance to talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily
>>> agree with, my decision.
>>> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
>>> like theey were left out of the conversation.
>>> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 05:49:50 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2014 21:49:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parents in a personal decision setting
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBGgtTpmVxT5Z7Amkvwdagdzkgmbd_fN4c3S5WyfC_Cpg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <007001cfffa6$56a76a20$03f63e60$@gmail.com>
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Thanks for your suggestions Arielle.
Joe, 1 is already done, and 3 is going to happen next week--I've
already scheduled tours for one school and hopefully will have other
schools on the calendar soon as well.

Jorge




On 11/13/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Jorge and all,
> If I need to bring up a potentially contentious subject with my
> parents, I will often start the conversation by writing them a letter
> outlining how I feel about the issue, and either emailing it to them
> or leaving it out somewhere where they will find it. I do this for two
> main reasons. One is that the dynamics I have with my parents are such
> that I will often get intimidated or guilted by their initial response
> and tend to back down more than I should if we discuss something in
> person, but with aletter it's easier to get all my points across. The
> second reason is that the letter gives them time to digest what I have
> to say instead of just quickly reacting. I've done this a few times
> and found that my letters always led to productive conversations in
> person after my parents read them, and they were more open to my point
> of view. So if you're worried about how to bring up your decision of
> where to go to school, I might suggest writing them a letter first.
> Explain in your letter why you want to attend this school, and in as
> much detail as possible, your plans for paying the tuition and caring
> for yourself away from home. If you can show them you are mature and
> able to plan ahead, and that this isn't an impulse decision but one
> that you've really thought through, they should be more accepting of
> it. You can also tell them that because you know many blind students
> who have successfully attended college away from home, you are very
> confident that your blindness will not interfere with your
> independence and that you have a network of blind people to call upon
> if you ever have questions about how to handle tasks as a blind
> person. Hopefully after reading your letter, your parents will be
> willing to discuss this with you in a positive way and share their
> specific concerns with you while being open to your needs as well.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 11/13/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Well said.  And, I'd add that if you haven't been away for an extended
>> period of time more than once or twice, this summer would be a great
>> time to do it.  If your parents see you stay away from home for an
>> extended time with no problem in the summer, then when you return home
>> fine college won't be so scary to them.
>>
>>
>>
>> On 11/13/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Jorge,
>>>
>>> These are just some suggestions you may consider:
>>>
>>> First, let them know you're considering a distant campus and that you're
>>> planning on applying, just to see what'll happen. This lets them know
>>> your
>>> intentions but also points out that you're just applying. If you don't
>>> get
>>> accepted, then there's no harm, but it'll plant the seed so they won't
>>> get
>>> caught off guard later when you are in fact admitted to the school.
>>> Think
>>> positive, right?
>>>
>>> Second, do all the research you can to figure out logistics. Research
>>> things
>>> like housing, school and public transportation, courses, etc. Basically
>>> you
>>> ought to be able to anticipate their questions and have a tentative plan
>>> laid out. There are things you won't be able to do from home, but let
>>> them
>>> know you've given this a lot of thought and have meticulously planned
>>> out
>>> ways to be independent.
>>>
>>> Third, if at all possible, take a tour of the campus. Often times it's
>>> the
>>> unknown that drives parents a little crazy. If they can see where you're
>>> hoping to study, they might feel better, and it'll give them an
>>> opportunity
>>> to ask questions. Maybe even, curse me for suggesting this, meet with
>>> the
>>> campus disability service. That approach could go really well or really
>>> bad.
>>> Hopefully it'll fall somewhere in the middle, but if you do take that
>>> route,
>>> it might make them feel even more comfortable.
>>>
>>> Ultimately though, probably one of the best things you can do is start
>>> being
>>> proactive about your independence now. My parents had no beef with my
>>> going
>>> away for school because they'd grown used to me going away for camps or
>>> extended field trips and the like.
>>>
>>> Mind you, I'm assuming you're still in high school. If not, as in if
>>> you're
>>> an adult, you sort of get to a point where you say "I'm leaving, and
>>> umm,
>>> that's that." I know it sounds a little trite, but sometimes it's the
>>> parents who have a harder time letting go, and I think this has more to
>>> do
>>> with parenting by nature than anything to do with blindness, though
>>> blindness certainly adds another level of stress for them.
>>>
>>>
>>> Best of luck to you, and if they still need convincing, look me up
>>> off-line.
>>> I'll call, talk to them, give them another perspective on helping them
>>> know
>>> Jorge really is going to be fine on his own. Take it easy.
>>>
>>> Joe
>>> --
>>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>>
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez
>>> via
>>> nabs-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 13, 2014 4:50 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
>>>
>>> Hi Nabs:
>>> So, I was wondering something.
>>> So, I've come to a decision on which I'm going to choose something that
>>> my
>>> parents aren't comfortable with.
>>> This applies on several personal fronts, but the one relevant to this
>>> list
>>> is my desire to go away from home for college.
>>> How do you deal with your parents in this topic?
>>> Because I know I can do it, and my parents generally know as well, but
>>> feel
>>> extremely uncomfortable.
>>> I'm their only blind son--I'm actually the only one who's blind in all
>>> my
>>> family, so I don't know if their uncomfortable because of usual
>>> non-sight
>>> related stuff or specificallybecause of my blindness.
>>> Either way, how do you deal with this?
>>> I've made up my mind, so its not a point of choosing, as much as telling
>>> them my choice and making them feel like they've at least had a chance
>>> to
>>> talk to me, and that they understand, not necessarily agree with, my
>>> decision.
>>> Basically, I want to make sure this doesn't end up with anyone feeling
>>> like
>>> theey were left out of the conversation.
>>> If you have any suggestions feel free to write me.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jorge
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 16:43:21 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 11:43:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] dealing with parrents in a personal decision setting
Message-ID: <54663142.ce198c0a.1ad8.7f4b@mx.google.com>

Hi Jorge my name is Roanna Bacchus.  My parents did not allow us 
to go away on our own for college.  Try expleing to your parents 
why you want to go away to college.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 14 23:58:00 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2014 18:58:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [nabs-l) Mathamatics, symbols,
	and braille Oh my! (question)
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References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B82E2F1@UBOX3.unr.edu>
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Message-ID: <CAFja7FY49yzLe+ab6qXtm=8dEHGOwYBXfe8kh0w25fhJD17GBw@mail.gmail.com>

Karl Martin Adam is another list user.  I'm surprised he hasn't
responded yet, because he's triple majoring in philosophy,
anthropology, and history.  I know he's mentioned to me that a code
for symbolic logic is in the works already with a guy from the U.S and
a guy from Australia, but he would know more about it.  I'll try to
call his attention to this and see if he can respond to you.

On 11/13/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Michael,
> You could try asking on the BlindMath list. I am not aware of any
> standardized Braille code for symbolic logic. However, if it's just
> for your own benefit and to communicate with your professor, could you
> make up your own code and then just put a key at the top of your
> papers? I did that in high school when I had to diagram sentences,
> using a hyphen to connect adjectives and related nouns for example.
> Arielle
>
> On 11/13/14, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> 	My name is Michael Ausbun. I am an honors sophomore at the University of
>> Nevada, Reno currently pursuing and bachelor's degree in Philosophy and
>> Anthropology (my goals include a doctorate degree directly after). My
>> question goes out to any Mathematicians, computer scientists or, if I am
>> lucky, Philosophy students.
>> 	Apart of any 'good' Philosophy program, is a course called Symbolic
>> Logic.
>> Symbolic logic is inherently visual, in the sense that it utilizes
>> nontraditional symbols to represent propositions in different type of
>> proof-forms. Due to the nature of the course, my University is attempting
>> to
>> find or create some sort of Braille-code, which is universally used by
>> logicians.
>> 	My question, then, is there a currently existent braille-code for
>> symbolic
>> logic? If so, what is it called and can duxberry use it? If not, has
>> anyone
>> encountered a situation like this? If so, what methods did you utilize to
>> over-come this problem.
>> 	Thank you all for your attention and future assistance in this matter.
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>>
>> Michael Ausbun
>> Student Assistive Technology Specialist
>> University of Nevada, Reno
>> Secretary of the Nevada NABS Chapter
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 06:57:43 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 01:57:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d57H-RNqhdUnmk-K0nvtwVuBGYrZygTyYnvqGY5HSBZA@mail.gmail.com>

I have just discovered how to navigate in adobe digital editions
especially in content page.
I remember this was asked in this group, so I wanted to share.
When you are on book content press shift plus Tabb. You’ll here table
on content. Then navigate with up and down arrows between the
chapters. If you want to hear the subtitles of the chapter open the
menu with right arrow. Navigate again with up and down arrows. When
you find the related title, press enter. Now you are on the page. Just
you need to press Tabb to go to book content section.


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 16:06:29 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 11:06:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <00cf01cffecc$6c974470$45c5cd50$@gmail.com>
References: <A841A0FD-0344-463C-8E21-C739A2EE47D3@gmail.com>
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I always just called that screen mesh a screen board. They are very easy to make yourself with some metal window screen and a clipboard or some other rigid board.

> On Nov 12, 2014, at 6:00 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Personally, I'd attempt to do the drawings yourself before bringing in
> someone to draw them for you. It'll help you begin to generate your own
> independent alternatives and will show them that calling in an assistant is
> not, or should not, be the default solution. Try using wikki stix to create
> tactile diagrams. Also, and I can't for the life of me remember what it's
> called now, but there is a square wire mesh you can lay paper on top of and
> use Crayons to draw tactile representations. Maybe someone here will know
> what this is called. Now, if the coordinator continues to be anal about a
> certain way the drawings need to be handled, then call in the guns and start
> talking 508 or 504 or whatever it is covers this kind of situation. Keep
> good documentation of the things you are attempting to get around the
> scenario. Unrealistic expectations? I'm not so sure. It's fair for them to
> hold you to a similar standard if you are showing you can find alternative
> ways of getting the job done.
> 
> Joe
> 
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
> 
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Alyssa via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 3:44 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
> 
> Hi NABS!
> I'm writing in need of some advice. I received an email earlier from my math
> instructor which troubled me. My class has 5 different sections, some with
> different one truffles, but all under one coordinator who writes the final
> exam for the class. My instructor told her about me and another blind
> student in the class. This class is basically for education majors to learn
> how to teach elementary math, and some of these topics are visual. For
> example, it is required to draw pictures. My instructor asked the
> coordinator if these questions can be substituted. She said she refused to
> make any accommodations on the test. She is convinced the disability office
> can somehow fix it. Their track record with me isn't the greatest and I
> somehow don't think they can give me vision and artistic ability. I feel the
> class coordinator is being unreasonable. Is there anything I can do to put a
> stop to this? Have any of you had similar problems? How did you resolve
> them?
> Best,
> Alyssa 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 17:56:07 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 12:56:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
Message-ID: <546793d2.63578c0a.96e7.ffffd36a@mx.google.com>

Hi Alyssa thanks for bringing up this topic.  Under the Ada your 
instructors are required to proupide reasonable accmoodations to 
you.  As someone has already suggested you can use wiki sticks to 
create your diagrams.


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sat Nov 15 18:29:07 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:29:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <B30C32AF-ADF4-422F-8419-ACF20F0A8A23@fuse.net>

You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if anyone went to a training center and if they would recomend it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kayla,
> 
> I cannot speak for Illinois.
> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good experiences,, after all its an NFB list.
> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's information. Give them a call and do your research.
> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any nonprofit centers too.
> 
> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although I'm not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision and blind high school students was fun.
> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to go off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a certain time for quiet hours.
> 
> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers. Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
> 
> Good luck with your decision.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
> 
> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 15 18:42:33 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 13:42:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Unrealistic expectations
In-Reply-To: <546793d2.63578c0a.96e7.ffffd36a@mx.google.com>
References: <546793d2.63578c0a.96e7.ffffd36a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZcCmCTOo2xc-C8cg54r+Sr+Ki2=9C5xF8JtrWPu6Vz_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I used the "Sensational Blackboard" by Anne Cunningham for drawing
quick diagrams in a statistics class.  My professor could quickly draw
graphs and charts which he drew on chalk on the board, so that I could
see what other people were seeing from my desk.  I would highly
recommend using this, a draftsman, or some other tactile drawing kit
to make your drawings.  You can use them yourself, and they're great
for instructors as well.  I know my statistics instructor appreciated
having it about as much as I did.

The cool thing about the Blackboard is that it's low-cost, and you use
a standard pen and printer paper to make the drawings.  If you use a
pen to draw, you'll be able to feel the raised lines created by the
blackboard, but will also have a traditional drawing to show a sighted
student in the classroom.

I hope this tool will be helpful.  I'd also do what others have
suggested like meeting with the department chair and disability
services.

On 11/15/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Alyssa thanks for bringing up this topic.  Under the Ada your
> instructors are required to proupide reasonable accmoodations to
> you.  As someone has already suggested you can use wiki sticks to
> create your diagrams.
>
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 16 02:10:17 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2014 21:10:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab center in Florida and moving process.
Message-ID: <8BCA627C-55A3-4BFA-8CAF-14AEF9C48680@gmail.com>

Hi all, I  have 2 questions, where is the rehab center in Florida located and how will I go upon moving all my benefits over to Florida medicare etc. I’m currently living under my parents guardian ship. Plus I’m trying to figure out if I’m going to go to college and what career I may want to persue. I want to help the   national federation for the blind and I want to be  a blind advocate for  those with blindness or visual impairment.
If I could get any pointers please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com with your  tips and insights.

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 04:31:42 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 23:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites
Message-ID: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Has anyone here ever used crowd funding sites to gain funds for
educational endeavors?  If so, how successful were you in this?  Did
you mention your blindness on the site, or avoid it when describing
why you would benefit from receiving these funds?

I am trying to use youcaring.com to raise funds for a study abroad
trip this summer.  I did mention my blindness, however I only did as a
means of sharing my story and how it really goes full-circle.  I was
also very careful to portray blindness and disability in general in a
positive way.  At least in my mind, it is important for people to know
that I am blind, because it is a huge part of why I want to work with
kids who have disabilities in the future.  I especiallywant to do this
in music therapy, because I had a positive experience with a music
therapist who was blind.  She has acted as a role model for my parents
and I since I was really little, and now is advising my professors and
I on best practices for accommodating in my program.

If anyone has used these sites successfully before, I'd appreciate
feedback on my site.  Any suggestions I could use to potentially make
it better would be appreciated.  The link is:

http://www.youcaring.com/other/music-therapy-student-to-enrich-jamaican-lives-this-summer/264447

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 04:33:12 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 23:33:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002601d0021f$9922a290$cb67e7b0$@gmail.com>

Can you send me what you wrote??

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:32 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites

Hi all,

Has anyone here ever used crowd funding sites to gain funds for educational
endeavors?  If so, how successful were you in this?  Did you mention your
blindness on the site, or avoid it when describing why you would benefit
from receiving these funds?

I am trying to use youcaring.com to raise funds for a study abroad trip this
summer.  I did mention my blindness, however I only did as a means of
sharing my story and how it really goes full-circle.  I was also very
careful to portray blindness and disability in general in a positive way.
At least in my mind, it is important for people to know that I am blind,
because it is a huge part of why I want to work with kids who have
disabilities in the future.  I especiallywant to do this in music therapy,
because I had a positive experience with a music therapist who was blind.
She has acted as a role model for my parents and I since I was really
little, and now is advising my professors and I on best practices for
accommodating in my program.

If anyone has used these sites successfully before, I'd appreciate feedback
on my site.  Any suggestions I could use to potentially make it better would
be appreciated.  The link is:

http://www.youcaring.com/other/music-therapy-student-to-enrich-jamaican-live
s-this-summer/264447

Thanks,

--
Kaiti

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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 04:47:03 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 20:47:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites
In-Reply-To: <002601d0021f$9922a290$cb67e7b0$@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<002601d0021f$9922a290$cb67e7b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuk4vsbjCzcc-MpV+7fRUM-eXbyXXYAf8wPRfnvb9CJvQ@mail.gmail.com>

I am not familiar with the site you mentioned in particular.
However, I will warn you that a lot of these sites do not accept funds
for educational purposes, as its mandatory for those who donate to
obtain some kind of reward.
Unless of course, you have included some kind of reward?
If you have please let me know, because I'd be interested in knowing
what you'd use in that type of sonnario.

Jorge



On 11/16/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Can you send me what you wrote??
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, November 16, 2014 11:32 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites
>
> Hi all,
>
> Has anyone here ever used crowd funding sites to gain funds for educational
> endeavors?  If so, how successful were you in this?  Did you mention your
> blindness on the site, or avoid it when describing why you would benefit
> from receiving these funds?
>
> I am trying to use youcaring.com to raise funds for a study abroad trip
> this
> summer.  I did mention my blindness, however I only did as a means of
> sharing my story and how it really goes full-circle.  I was also very
> careful to portray blindness and disability in general in a positive way.
> At least in my mind, it is important for people to know that I am blind,
> because it is a huge part of why I want to work with kids who have
> disabilities in the future.  I especiallywant to do this in music therapy,
> because I had a positive experience with a music therapist who was blind.
> She has acted as a role model for my parents and I since I was really
> little, and now is advising my professors and I on best practices for
> accommodating in my program.
>
> If anyone has used these sites successfully before, I'd appreciate feedback
> on my site.  Any suggestions I could use to potentially make it better
> would
> be appreciated.  The link is:
>
> http://www.youcaring.com/other/music-therapy-student-to-enrich-jamaican-live
> s-this-summer/264447
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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Jorge

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 06:05:12 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 16 Nov 2014 22:05:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
Message-ID: <54699031.2359440a.6a06.fffff5cf@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
Right now I am working on getting signed up for rehab.  My top two colleges are 
privates.  I've heard that rehab is not as willing to cover  private school as it is 
public.  Is this true? How much do you think I can get them to cover?
Thanks,
Vejas


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Mon Nov 17 06:13:45 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:13:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
In-Reply-To: <54699031.2359440a.6a06.fffff5cf@mx.google.com>
References: <54699031.2359440a.6a06.fffff5cf@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D1D044C75494B8-740-36D97@webmail-vm141.sysops.aol.com>

Vejas,
In California, first two years the DOR will pay community college rate 
and for the next two years they will pay Cal State University rates.
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 10:06 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question

Hi All,
Right now I am working on getting signed up for rehab.  My top two 
colleges are
privates.  I've heard that rehab is not as willing to cover  private 
school as it is
public.  Is this true? How much do you think I can get them to cover?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 12:07:19 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:07:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey for class; please help.
Message-ID: <005d01d0025f$0a22dcf0$1e6896d0$@gmail.com>

Urgent request for assistance.

First, let me apologize for flooding the list.  I am inexperienced at
sending surveys.

 

Greetings. 

My name is Justin Williams, and I am requesting your assistance for a
research study for my statistics class.  Attached is a form of consent, as
well as a questionnaire related to the accessibility of restaurants through
the perceptions of individuals with visible or noticeable disabilities.  

The survey will take about ten minutes of your time.

My email address is justin.williams2 at gmail.com.

Return of your responses will indicate consent.

Please send your responses to me off list by Friday of this week so that I
may begin compiling the data.  Thank you for your assistance.

 

Warm Regards,

Justin.

 

 

 

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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 13:57:44 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 05:57:44 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
In-Reply-To: <8D1D044C75494B8-740-36D97@webmail-vm141.sysops.aol.com>
References: <54699031.2359440a.6a06.fffff5cf@mx.google.com>
	<8D1D044C75494B8-740-36D97@webmail-vm141.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPu=doj-nNM1ZA2x0t_06jxnwGfPWh7McMTAy0OPgGG+RA@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, Rehab will pay only whatever the state rate is--at
least that's how it ran in New York and apparently how it runs in
Florida too.
So, the state-rate here in Florida I believe is around $3,000 per semester.
So even if, for example, I end up going to a university that is
$6,000, Rehab would only cover the $3,000, and I'd have to pay the
difference.
I'm not sure about the figures by the way--the $3,000 isn't completely
accurate but I used it for example's sake,
but usually they pay up to whatever the state rate is in that state.
Also, if you go out of state, they only pay in-state rate for your
home state--that is, if you're in California, but you decided to go to
a university in Washington they'll only pay whatever California's
in-state public college rate is at the time.

Jorge

On 11/16/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Vejas,
> In California, first two years the DOR will pay community college rate
> and for the next two years they will pay Cal State University rates.
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 10:06 pm
> Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
>
> Hi All,
> Right now I am working on getting signed up for rehab.  My top two
> colleges are
> privates.  I've heard that rehab is not as willing to cover  private
> school as it is
> public.  Is this true? How much do you think I can get them to cover?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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-- 
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Jorge

NFB/FABS/FLFB member

linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 15:53:50 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 07:53:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
Message-ID: <546a1a28.042e460a.1336.7b1a@mx.google.com>

Hi Miso,
Are you saying that rehab will pay cal state rates even if you're not going to a cal 
state?
Vejas
----- Original Message -----
From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:13:45 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] another rehab question

Vejas,
In California, first two years the DOR will pay community college rate
and for the next two years they will pay Cal State University rates.
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Sent: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 10:06 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question

Hi All,
Right now I am working on getting signed up for rehab.  My top two
colleges are
privates.  I've heard that rehab is not as willing to cover  private
school as it is
public.  Is this true? How much do you think I can get them to cover?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Nov 17 15:59:52 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 08:59:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
In-Reply-To: <546a1a28.042e460a.1336.7b1a@mx.google.com>
References: <546a1a28.042e460a.1336.7b1a@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_aveAnsUAaG-ET+LaqxsYxnJ8jWhzDR9YQW+xHvooKK2SrA@mail.gmail.com>

Here in AZ they will pay the AZ state rate so if you go to a school that
costs more you have to cover the rest.

Now that might be different if you can justify a program that it not
offered at your state university, maybe.

On Monday, November 17, 2014, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Miso,
> Are you saying that rehab will pay cal state rates even if you're not
> going to a cal state?
> Vejas
> ----- Original Message -----
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> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 01:13:45 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] another rehab question
>
> Vejas,
> In California, first two years the DOR will pay community college rate
> and for the next two years they will pay Cal State University rates.
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Sun, Nov 16, 2014 10:06 pm
> Subject: [nabs-l] another rehab question
>
> Hi All,
> Right now I am working on getting signed up for rehab.  My top two
> colleges are
> privates.  I've heard that rehab is not as willing to cover  private
> school as it is
> public.  Is this true? How much do you think I can get them to cover?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Mon Nov 17 22:52:53 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 17:52:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Rehab center in Florida and moving process.
In-Reply-To: <8BCA627C-55A3-4BFA-8CAF-14AEF9C48680@gmail.com>
References: <8BCA627C-55A3-4BFA-8CAF-14AEF9C48680@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e6OScFjfKX6ukxaudGxRMyYTvszW0shkK7Jw-Nvf4k_zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Mabelin Ramirez Paez,


I have requested a skype conversation to discuss this answer, please accept
my skype invitation and I will answer your questions.


Jimmy Hulme
jimh885 at hotmail.com on Skype
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Sat, Nov 15, 2014 at 9:10 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi all, I  have 2 questions, where is the rehab center in Florida located
> and how will I go upon moving all my benefits over to Florida medicare etc.
> I’m currently living under my parents guardian ship. Plus I’m trying to
> figure out if I’m going to go to college and what career I may want to
> persue. I want to help the   national federation for the blind and I want
> to be  a blind advocate for  those with blindness or visual impairment.
> If I could get any pointers please email mabelin_r at hotmail.com with your
> tips and insights.
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From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:24:49 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:24:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
Message-ID: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone
can enlighten me.
Thanks, Kayla


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:29:47 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:29:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BEF8BBA0-3581-42F7-97AB-FE4491FC86B1@gmail.com>

Hi Kayla,

I’m not positive, but I believe it’s in the home ribbon, possibly in the formatter group.  Give that a shot.  Again, don’t quote me, especially since I never use Word anymore since I have a Mac, but I believe that’s where I remember it.  Hope this helps and sorry if I’m totally wrong.


Ryan L. Silveira

> On Nov 17, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
> JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone
> can enlighten me.
> Thanks, Kayla
> 
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From brice.smith319 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:37:08 2014
From: brice.smith319 at gmail.com (Brice Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:37:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL=h+ugYAB=UwxVLwU6rdSJ9vz=mH3Q_p74gb2b9uAoAku3S2w@mail.gmail.com>

Alt, R, W or CTRL+Shift+G.

Brice



On 11/17/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
> JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone
> can enlighten me.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:38:20 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:38:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004101d002d0$56443c70$02ccb550$@gmail.com>

Either hit alt r then w  or f 6 twice to the status bar and right arrow over
until you hear word count.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kayla Weathers
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:25 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW

Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone can
enlighten me.
Thanks, Kayla

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 01:39:39 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 20:39:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <CAL=h+ugYAB=UwxVLwU6rdSJ9vz=mH3Q_p74gb2b9uAoAku3S2w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL=h+ugYAB=UwxVLwU6rdSJ9vz=mH3Q_p74gb2b9uAoAku3S2w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004201d002d0$85101060$8f303120$@gmail.com>

Wow, Bryce, you done taught this veteran something.  Shift control g; didn't
know. Thanks.

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:37 PM
To: Kayla Weathers; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW

Alt, R, W or CTRL+Shift+G.

Brice



On 11/17/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
> JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone 
> can enlighten me.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 03:19:50 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2014 19:19:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <004201d002d0$85101060$8f303120$@gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAL=h+ugYAB=UwxVLwU6rdSJ9vz=mH3Q_p74gb2b9uAoAku3S2w@mail.gmail.com>
	<004201d002d0$85101060$8f303120$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCxPfY1UMzW00GzAKy6mN5rE3C9-2TL_QXPwekJ9Vb2DA@mail.gmail.com>

Or you can use an old secret from Word 2003. Alt-T, W.
Arielle

On 11/17/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Wow, Bryce, you done taught this veteran something.  Shift control g;
> didn't
> know. Thanks.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Brice Smith
> via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:37 PM
> To: Kayla Weathers; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
>
> Alt, R, W or CTRL+Shift+G.
>
> Brice
>
>
>
> On 11/17/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
>> JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone
>> can enlighten me.
>> Thanks, Kayla
>>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 06:13:43 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 01:13:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW
In-Reply-To: <BEF8BBA0-3581-42F7-97AB-FE4491FC86B1@gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82T+Cur7hWFzpCAEgW0SBOUSN=GpOix3fvaG4cCWbuHS=g@mail.gmail.com>
	<BEF8BBA0-3581-42F7-97AB-FE4491FC86B1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E55A4DB6EC8048BEA74B4E86298FD81F@Helga>

Hi Kayla! IIn order to do word count with JAWS 14, press alt key, then go 
right untill you find the Review tab, and then press tab or use your arrows 
keys untill you hear word count ok? Hope this helps! If you have any 
questions feel free to contact me ok? Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so 
much and God bless!



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
-----Original Message----- 
From: Ryan Silveira via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 17, 2014 8:29 PM
To: Kayla Weathers ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Word count using JFW

Hi Kayla,

I’m not positive, but I believe it’s in the home ribbon, possibly in the 
formatter group.  Give that a shot.  Again, don’t quote me, especially since 
I never use Word anymore since I have a Mac, but I believe that’s where I 
remember it.  Hope this helps and sorry if I’m totally wrong.


Ryan L. Silveira

> On Nov 17, 2014, at 8:24 PM, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all, I'm attempting to figure out how to do a word count using
> JFW14 with MS2013 and google isn't being very helpful. Hoping someone
> can enlighten me.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Nov 18 07:21:54 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 01:21:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] =?iso-8859-1?q?Fwd=3A_Request_to_Post_=96_Help_with_a_Na?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?tional___Science_Fou_ndation_study_on_blind_persons=27_doc?=
 =?iso-8859-1?q?ument_formatting?=
Message-ID: <auto-000006546146@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Dear David Andrews and Robert Leslie Newman,
>
>
>We are researchers from the University of 
>California, Santa Cruz. We are investigating 
>ways in which tools may assist blind people with 
>tasks related to document formatting. As a first 
>step, we are trying to gather information about 
>blind people’s document formatting practices 
>and challenges. We’ve already conducted 
>interviews and surveys with blind persons, and 
>now we need to collect a large number of 
>documents created and formatted by blind persons 
>without help from sighted persons.
>
>One of our current participants mentioned that 
>we could contact you with regards to announcing 
>our research project via the NFB membership 
>lists and/or the NFB Writers' Division. If you 
>could help us by sharing the following, we would really appreciate it.
>
>---
>
>Greetings,
>
>
>We are researchers from the University of 
>California, Santa Cruz. We are investigating 
>ways in which tools may assist blind people with 
>tasks related to document formatting. As a first 
>step, we need to gather information about 
>document formatting practices, errors and 
>barriers of blind persons. To do this, we need 
>to collect a large number and variety of 
>documents that were created and formatted by 
>blind persons (with at most some light 
>perception) without help from sighted persons.
>
>Please help us by providing documents (at least 
>3 pages long) that you have created with any 
>word processor (Microsoft Word, Apple Pages, 
>etc.) and formatted without help from a sighted 
>person. We will run a draw for two $50 Amazon 
>gift certificate as a token of appreciation for 
>those who provide at least five documents that follow the previous criteria.
>
>Note: As this is a National Science Foundation 
>study, we follow a strict rule of maintaining 
>your and your documents’ confidentiality and 
>destroying documents after the study is finished.
>
>If you are interested in helping, please email 
>your documents or any questions regarding the 
>study to 
><mailto:lommoral at ucsc.edu>lommoral at ucsc.edu. 
>Also, if you know someone who fits the criteria 
>and might be interested in helping us, please 
>forward this post. We really appreciate your help.
>
>Thank you for you time.
>
>
>Best regards,Â
>--
>Lourdes M. Morales Villaverde
>Computer Science Ph.D. Student
>Interactive Systems for Individuals with Special Needs (ISIS) Lab
>Baskin School of Engineering
>University of California, Santa Cruz
>
><mailto:lommoral at ucsc.edu>lommoral at ucsc.edu
><mailto:soelommoral at soe.ucsc.edu>soelommoral at soe.ucsc.edu
><http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~soelommoral/>http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~soelommoral/


>From: Lourdes Morales <lommoral at ucsc.edu>


         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Nov 18 13:22:53 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 05:22:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Crowd funding sites
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAFja7FawQjdHmdvJ06QqwHzj8v8BD7H2vT6m1iH4TMLcLvj7bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.185.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Kaiti,

         I don't have any experience with the fund raising sight to 
which you referred but I wanted to tell you that openness with your 
blindness is always a good way to go. I mean, what kind of message 
does ignoring it, send to those whom have always heard such rhetoric 
as, "blindness is just a personal characteristic?" Not good. 
Remember, if we fail to be open with our blindness, the condition 
will remain enshrouded in darkness and mystery so people will have to 
fill in missing information about such a "mysterious" culture with 
fantasy, even mythollogy and therefore intimidating for Ol'Sighty's 
delicate sensibilities. As such, then, we will never feel party of 
the dominant group.
So say it loud, and proud!
Car ever used crowd funding sites to gain funds for
>educational endeavors?  If so, how successful were you in this?  Did
>you mention your blindness on the site, or avoid it when describing
>why you would benefit from receiving these funds?
>
>I am trying to use youcaring.com to raise funds for a study abroad
>trip this summer.  I did mention my blindness, however I only did as a
>means of sharing my story and how it really goes full-circle.  I was
>also very careful to portray blindness and disability in general in a
>positive way.  At least in my mind, it is important for people to know
>that I am blind, because it is a huge part of why I want to work with
>kids who have disabilities in the future.  I especiallywant to do this
>in music therapy, because I had a positive experience with a music
>therapist who was blind.  She has acted as a role model for my parents
>and I since I was really little, and now is advising my professors and
>I on best practices for accommodating in my program.
>
>If anyone has used these sites successfully before, I'd appreciate
>feedback on my site.  Any suggestions I could use to potentially make
>it better would be appreciated.  The link is:
>
>http://www.youcaring.com/other/music-therapy-student-to-enrich-jamaican-lives-this-summer/264447
>
>Thanks,
>
>--
>Kaiti
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 22:43:40 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 16:43:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
Message-ID: <690D97FB-CA8B-493E-ADCB-ABCCEC0D1572@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Does anyone know of any jobs that I can do from home living in Iowa? It seems like there's a lot of at home type jobs a person can do and many other states but I haven't seen many and Ila. As it has been expressed in a great deal on this nice a lot of blind individuals are having difficulty finding employment and there are some of us who have been fortunate enough to find some tosomething that they can do from home and this is an option that I'm looking into exploring. Thanks for any help, advice, or suggestions you can give.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 18 22:58:36 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:58:36 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
In-Reply-To: <690D97FB-CA8B-493E-ADCB-ABCCEC0D1572@gmail.com>
References: <690D97FB-CA8B-493E-ADCB-ABCCEC0D1572@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPu6EV3yjHrh-78pLYY+hHezQrR3a1JnkFGCVaYAdTLtDA@mail.gmail.com>

I know Marry K Cosmetics runs some kind of virtual assistant thing
where you can assist customers from home.
The link is:
http://www.marykay.com/en-us/beabeautyconsultant/Pages/default.aspx
Also, on a completely different line of thought, I believe you can be
a braille proof reader as well.
I'm not sure if this pays at all or if they only use volunteers, but
take a look around.
Maybe a transcription center would let you check the braille
transcription after its done?
Not to check accuracy against the print--unless you have enough vision
to do that, but I meant more like proofreading, to make sure the
braille is done correctly.

Jorge

On 11/18/14, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Does anyone know of any jobs that I can do from home living in Iowa? It
> seems like there's a lot of at home type jobs a person can do and many other
> states but I haven't seen many and Ila. As it has been expressed in a great
> deal on this nice a lot of blind individuals are having difficulty finding
> employment and there are some of us who have been fortunate enough to find
> some tosomething that they can do from home and this is an option that I'm
> looking into exploring. Thanks for any help, advice, or suggestions you can
> give.
> Gloria
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Yours in Christ,

Jorge

linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez



Two are better off than one, because together they can work more
effectively. If one of them falls down, the other can help him . . .
Two people can resist an attack that would defeat one person alone. A
rope made of three cords is hard to break.

Ecclesiastes 4:9 (TEV)


A life devoted to things is a dead life, a stump; a God-shaped life
isa flourishing tree.

Proverbs 11:28 (Msg)

Blessed are those who trust in the Lord. . . . They are like trees
planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the water.
Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months of
drought. Their leaves stay green, and they go right on producing
delicious fruit.

Jeremiah 17:7 8 (NLT)

For everything, absolutely everything, above and below, visible and
invisible, . . . everything got started in him and finds its purpose
in him.

Colossians 1:16 (Msg)

Unless you assume a God, the question of life s purpose is meaningless.

Bertrand Russell, atheist


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 00:21:48 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:21:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
Message-ID: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>

Hey Fellow NABSters,

As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is beginning my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition. I have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so, and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to me. Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to hearing from you soon.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD

"The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One Minute Message

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Nov 19 00:43:21 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:43:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
In-Reply-To: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
References: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <67D65719-3A26-486A-B75F-155A77B7CD06@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I would highly recommend two things. First, becoming as proficient in computers as possible including excel. 

Second, I would be the best writer/improve my grammar and vocabulary as much as possible. 

These two skills will take you far in any major and most careers. 

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 18, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Fellow NABSters,
> 
> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is beginning my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition. I have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so, and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to me. Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to hearing from you soon.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
> 
> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One Minute Message
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 01:24:51 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:24:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
In-Reply-To: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
References: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005301d00397$9df68bf0$d9e3a3d0$@gmail.com>

Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had guidance.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

Hey Fellow NABSters,

As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is beginning
my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition. I
have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some
input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so,
and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to me.
Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
hearing from you soon.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD

"The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 01:29:24 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 20:29:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
In-Reply-To: <690D97FB-CA8B-493E-ADCB-ABCCEC0D1572@gmail.com>
References: <690D97FB-CA8B-493E-ADCB-ABCCEC0D1572@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006001d00398$40e49960$c2adcc20$@gmail.com>

Something using a chat platform maybe; or the nfb should still be doing the
Ebay program.  Go get the training, and take some hadly courses along with
getting help from the nfb ebay workshop to write a business plan.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 5:44 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home

Hi all,
Does anyone know of any jobs that I can do from home living in Iowa? It
seems like there's a lot of at home type jobs a person can do and many other
states but I haven't seen many and Ila. As it has been expressed in a great
deal on this nice a lot of blind individuals are having difficulty finding
employment and there are some of us who have been fortunate enough to find
some tosomething that they can do from home and this is an option that I'm
looking into exploring. Thanks for any help, advice, or suggestions you can
give.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 19 01:48:52 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:48:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
Message-ID: <0NF9002D1JPHODE0@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Gloria and all,

This is an interesting topic and I'd like to add my incite here.

Both my parents work from home and have been for a long time.  My 
dad works with computers and my mom is actually a Braille 
transcriber, which Jorge talked about.  I think that my parents 
have very good experiences working from home, as the  work that 
they do isn't difficult, and plus as a bonus, they get to spend 
more time with the family.
Also, my mom has another job working from home.  She is 
originally from France, and she also works as a translator 
(though this is not her main job) and works with texts between 
French and English.

So Gloria, yes, I would strongly reccomend working from home.  
I'm sure you'll get a good experience, because you work in your 
field of interest (my dad's being computers, and my mom's of 
course being Braille, which she had since I was born) and you get 
to spend more time with your family.
There is a wide variety of jobs from home that are out there.  If 
you speak another language other than English and if you are 
interested in languages, you can work as an interpreter (on the 
phone) or a translator (working with written text) between the 
languages that you know.
You can also work as a Braille transcriber or proofreader.  Note 
on that one though, Jorge is right; most transcribers work from 
print to Braille, which my mom does.  Not sure how you could 
handle that as a blind person.  You'll probably have to inquire 
that you are blind yourself when you apply for job (if you want 
to do it, of course).

Hope this helps, and good luck with finding a job from home!

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 14:58:36 -0800
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Working from home

I know Marry K Cosmetics runs some kind of virtual assistant 
thing
where you can assist customers from home.
The link is:
http://www.marykay.com/en-us/beabeautyconsultant/Pages/default.as
px
Also, on a completely different line of thought, I believe you 
can be
a braille proof reader as well.
I'm not sure if this pays at all or if they only use volunteers, 
but
take a look around.
Maybe a transcription center would let you check the braille
transcription after its done?
Not to check accuracy against the print--unless you have enough 
vision
to do that, but I meant more like proofreading, to make sure the
braille is done correctly.

Jorge

On 11/18/14, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Hi all,
 Does anyone know of any jobs that I can do from home living in 
Iowa? It
 seems like there's a lot of at home type jobs a person can do 
and many other
 states but I haven't seen many and Ila.  As it has been 
expressed in a great
 deal on this nice a lot of blind individuals are having 
difficulty finding
 employment and there are some of us who have been fortunate 
enough to find
 some tosomething that they can do from home and this is an 
option that I'm
 looking into exploring.  Thanks for any help, advice, or 
suggestions you can
 give.
 Gloria

 Sent from my iPhone
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Yours in Christ,

Jorge

linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez



Two are better off than one, because together they can work more
effectively.  If one of them falls down, the other can help him . 
 .
Two people can resist an attack that would defeat one person 
alone.  A
rope made of three cords is hard to break.

Ecclesiastes 4:9 (TEV)


A life devoted to things is a dead life, a stump; a God-shaped 
life
isa flourishing tree.

Proverbs 11:28 (Msg)

Blessed are those who trust in the Lord. . . .  They are like 
trees
planted along a riverbank, with roots that reach deep into the 
water.
Such trees are not bothered by the heat or worried by long months 
of
drought.  Their leaves stay green, and they go right on producing
delicious fruit.

Jeremiah 17:7 8 (NLT)

For everything, absolutely everything, above and below, visible 
and
invisible, . . .  everything got started in him and finds its 
purpose
in him.

Colossians 1:16 (Msg)

Unless you assume a God, the question of life s purpose is 
meaningless.

Bertrand Russell, atheist

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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 02:19:18 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:19:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
In-Reply-To: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
References: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <011801d0039f$3989a5f0$ac9cf1d0$@gmail.com>

The things I would have told my college self:

1. Be smart about the student loans you take out. Never take them out for
the wrong reasons, and be generally wise about your spending habits.

2. Begin advocating for yourself now: about everyday assignments, about
semester exams, about standardized exams, etc. The more you rely on yourself
to get what you need, the better off you'll be in battling it out with idiot
administrators in college. And, yes, this means advocating and requesting
your own books in an accessible format.

There are hundreds of other things. Follow my blog if you're interested in
others. In many ways it's notes I wish I could have pounded into my younger
self. You'll do great.

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

Hey Fellow NABSters,

As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is beginning
my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition. I
have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some
input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so,
and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to me.
Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
hearing from you soon.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD

"The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
Minute Message _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 02:22:47 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 21:22:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
In-Reply-To: <005301d00397$9df68bf0$d9e3a3d0$@gmail.com>
References: <9AEEEB53-6009-431C-995B-EA45C48F3F08@gmail.com>
	<005301d00397$9df68bf0$d9e3a3d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaFXYSK=MzGQWAg6Rx0wez=QBb1Fe6HEhGk6ZZ+zBK1tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Chris,

I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
error on my own as much as I did.

Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
wish I had been.

I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
the right program.

Hope this helps.

On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
> guidance.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>
> Hey Fellow NABSters,
>
> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
> beginning
> my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition.
> I
> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
> goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some
> input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
> skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
> college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
> preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so,
> and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to
> me.
> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
> hearing from you soon.
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>
> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
> Minute Message _______________________________________________
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-- 
Kaiti


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 03:30:49 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 19:30:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaFXYSK=MzGQWAg6Rx0wez=QBb1Fe6HEhGk6ZZ+zBK1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<005301d00397$9df68bf0$d9e3a3d0$@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FaFXYSK=MzGQWAg6Rx0wez=QBb1Fe6HEhGk6ZZ+zBK1tQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Chris,

First, props for being proactive and for reaching out to other blind
people for advice!

I think this is a great topic that has already received a lot of great
suggestions. Perhaps we could create some sort of Wiki or section on
the NABS website of crowdsourced advice.

Get training on Google apps. If you get it in your IEP, specificly
Google apps training, not computer training, the school system has to
provide resources to do this. There is currently no standardized
training in Google apps, but I know a couple of people who are pretty
good with them. Google apps are ubiquitous and you will want to be
able to use them the best you can.

Cane travel, cane travel, cane travel!

Cindy

On 11/18/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Chris,
>
> I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
> handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
> much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
> my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
> dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
> soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
> cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
> error on my own as much as I did.
>
> Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
> shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
> advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
> necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
> was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
> and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
> politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
> awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
> from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
> wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
> was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
> my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
> really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
> to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
> nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
> wish I had been.
>
> I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
> sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
> confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
> I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
> stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
> situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
> what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
> schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
> kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
> for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
> switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
> teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
> semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
> really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
> major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
> took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
> stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
> College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
> the right program.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
>> guidance.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Nusbaum
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>>
>> Hey Fellow NABSters,
>>
>> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
>> beginning
>> my college search and the long journey of preparation for this
>> transition.
>> I
>> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
>> goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like
>> some
>> input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
>> skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
>> college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
>> preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do
>> so,
>> and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to
>> me.
>> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
>> hearing from you soon.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>
>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
>> Minute Message _______________________________________________
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Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Nov 19 04:19:43 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:19:43 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Greetings!
	If I could go back in time, the one thing I would have liked to add to my IEP, is extra training in Microsoft power point and Microsoft excel. I work as an assistive technology specialist on campus and find myself facing a rather large learning curve, because I don’t already know excel. It’s a nifty program, though. Most of my classes outside of my major—philosophy—require a power point or two, when dealing with presentations. I’ve gotten out of it a few times by playing the ‘blind card’, that is, dragging my feet and not ‘looking’ at the power point requirements; however, it would be extremely useful and you wouldn’t have to be like, “ah, what, power point was required?” if you had a fundamental understanding of the program already.
	I like the google AP’s idea, but more so because of my extracurricular. I’m a part of the University debate team, which utilizes google aps often.
	I hope you have some success. If you ever have any questions, and want candid, nontopical responses, feel free to email me any time!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
University of Nevada, Reno
Assistive Technology specialist
Secretary of the Nevada NABS chapter
President and cofounder of the Universities Philosophy club
Skype: enderdw4

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Cindy Bennett via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

Hi Chris,

First, props for being proactive and for reaching out to other blind
people for advice!

I think this is a great topic that has already received a lot of great
suggestions. Perhaps we could create some sort of Wiki or section on
the NABS website of crowdsourced advice.

Get training on Google apps. If you get it in your IEP, specificly
Google apps training, not computer training, the school system has to
provide resources to do this. There is currently no standardized
training in Google apps, but I know a couple of people who are pretty
good with them. Google apps are ubiquitous and you will want to be
able to use them the best you can.

Cane travel, cane travel, cane travel!

Cindy

On 11/18/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Chris,
>
> I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
> handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
> much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
> my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
> dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
> soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
> cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
> error on my own as much as I did.
>
> Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
> shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
> advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
> necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
> was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
> and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
> politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
> awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
> from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
> wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
> was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
> my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
> really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
> to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
> nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
> wish I had been.
>
> I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
> sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
> confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
> I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
> stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
> situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
> what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
> schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
> kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
> for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
> switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
> teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
> semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
> really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
> major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
> took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
> stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
> College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
> the right program.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
>> guidance.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>> Nusbaum
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>>
>> Hey Fellow NABSters,
>>
>> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
>> beginning
>> my college search and the long journey of preparation for this
>> transition.
>> I
>> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
>> goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like
>> some
>> input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
>> skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
>> college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
>> preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do
>> so,
>> and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to
>> me.
>> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
>> hearing from you soon.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students
>> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>
>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
>> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
>> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
>> Minute Message _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
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>
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 06:20:57 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 22:20:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Evening, Kaiti,

         I think, with being a blind woman in 
particular, getting "taken" , is a sort of right 
of passage through which you must  traverse 
when  you're young, an idealistic. I don't think 
anyone can warn you against a particular reality. 
You need the tangibility of direct, personal 
experience. so you have to be memorably "taken" 
at least once, to figure out exactly whereabouts 
you are positioned  in the world, tangibly, 
irrefutably and above all, memorably.
Thank you for sharing!
CarPM 11/18/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi, Chris,
>
>I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
>handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
>much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
>my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
>dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
>soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
>cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
>error on my own as much as I did.
>
>Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
>shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
>advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
>necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
>was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
>and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
>politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
>awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
>from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
>wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
>was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
>my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
>really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
>to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
>nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
>wish I had been.
>
>I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
>sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
>confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
>I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
>stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
>situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
>what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
>schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
>kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
>for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
>switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
>teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
>semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
>really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
>major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
>took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
>stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
>College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
>the right program.
>
>Hope this helps.
>
>On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
> > guidance.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
> > via nabs-l
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
> >
> > Hey Fellow NABSters,
> >
> > As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
> > beginning
> > my college search and the long journey of preparation for this transition.
> > I
> > have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
> > goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like some
> > input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
> > skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
> > college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
> > preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do so,
> > and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to
> > me.
> > Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
> > hearing from you soon.
> >
> > Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> > Maryland Association of Blind Students
> > Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> > Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
> >
> > "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> > characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> > expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
> > between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> > blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
> > Minute Message _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
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> >
> >
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>
>--
>Kaiti
>
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 19 06:24:07 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 22:24:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
Message-ID: <1416378247.60108.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hello all,
      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual mistakes to my professor?
 
Best,
Kaley

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 07:04:26 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 02:04:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we really don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to help us on the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, but I think we should in some situations. In particular for me, when I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but I usually ask one of my family members if they can help me check if I have the right formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go to my writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask one of the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and God bless! :)  

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
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Sent from my iPhone 

> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual mistakes to my professor?
> 
> Best,
> Kaley
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 07:14:30 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:14:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Hi Kaley,

I understand how frustrating it is to make a paper visually appealing.
However, if you want to be held to the same standard as your sighted
peers, I think there are a lot of great ways you can learn to maximize
the accessible tools available and use a reader to assist you with
visual nuances that you may not be able to do accessibly. If you are
making mistakes with punctuation, perhaps you can set your screen
reader to read all punctuation. This way, you would hear when there
are two periods.

I had some great teachers who were often understanding if I made a
mistake once in a while that was clearly do to inaccessible
formatting, and luckily, they gave me constructive feedback. But, I
think it is essential to get in the habit of formatting documents the
best you can, because in some cases such as applying for jobs, even if
you attend a networking event with your resume, writing, aka your
resume, an email, or a cover letter will be the only impression you
get to make. I think it is very reasonable for teachers to count off
even for little mistakes like that, because they are prepare you to
write professionally.

If I am completing an assignment worth a lot of my grade or reputation
like a conference paper, I always vet it through a reader. If I am
collaborating, often I will offer to do something extra , or something
that would make it fair for the sighted person to do some of the more
complex formatting. For example, when doing group work, I try to be
proactive ahead of the group and create a rough PowerPoint with a lot
of great content. So then they are just editing content and then it
isn't such a big deal to ask them to choose a scheme that looks nice
or to insert appropriate photos.

If an assignment isn't worth a lot, or if I am just turning in
something for my advisor to look over, I wil format it to the best of
my ability but not worry about vetting it through a reader. My
professors and collaborators are often fine with this, because I do
turn in documents that are grammatically correct. Often, my mistakes
come with unpredictable Microsoft formatting.

One thing I have learned is that if I am editing something that
someone has already assisted me with such as my resume, and I need to
add a new heading for example, I will copy and paste an existing
heading. I will then write just next to the heading and delete the
original characters. Often, my text takes on the formatting
charactoristics of the original text. So try to do that if you can
remember. I have also learned to ask questions. If I am working with
someone who is doing formatting as a part of their contribution, I ask
them how the document looks and why they made the choices they did.
Over time, I have remembered some things that look good and now
incorporate them into my formattting.

I think it takes a while for all of us to learn how to format papers
to the best of our ability nonvisually and we learn when we need to
ask a reader for help. However, if you are concerned about formatting
mistakes affecting your grade, be proactive. Ask to meet with your
teacher to go over the most common mistakes you make, and the two of
you can brainstorm to come up with ways you can minimize them in the
future. I think that if you are proactive, and if you do make an
effort to turn in papers that look appropriate according to the
assignment, if you make small mistakes, your teachers will be much
more forgiving and might use them as opportunities to educate you
rather than dock points.

Even when you get really good at formatting, things happen. For
example, one time, I turned in a blank paper because I didn't realize
my printer cartridge was empty. Also, to minimize some of the
automatic formatting in word, I will select all and left align and
make sure it is the right font, size and style such as regular. I then
go back and change all of the things that would be different such as
centering headings and bolding important words. I tend to forget if I
do these things in process, so I save it all for the eend. Other
people may have other ideas,, but those are a couple of the strategies
I use.

Cindy

On 11/18/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
>       When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud
> and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting
> mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade
> reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had
> two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't
> indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What
> do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual
> mistakes to my professor?
>
> Best,
> Kaley
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 07:16:59 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:16:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Hi Kaley, In the professional world, formatting mistakes can cause a
lot of issues. We don't get more slack on these things just because we
are blind. So it would be good to start now on having your formatting
checked. You can either have a trusted sighted person help with this,
or read character by character. Speech software like JAWS may offer
you better formatting feedback than ZoomText and you can use the
Insert F command to hear a summary of your indentations, font etc.
Good luck!
Arielle

On 11/18/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think you
> should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault that you
> are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some of you guys here
> will agre with me in this, I know that we really don't want to rely in
> sighted assistance when it comes to help us on the format of our papers in
> doing the formatting of them, but I think we should in some situations. In
> particular for me, when I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the
> formatting of it, but I usually ask one of my family members if they can
> help me check if I have the right formatting and if it looks like the
> Professor wants it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go
> to my writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting
> of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help
> you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask
> one of the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to
> the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you
> soon. Thanks and God bless! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud
>> and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting
>> mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade
>> reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had
>> two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't
>> indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph.
>> What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual
>> mistakes to my professor?
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 07:17:27 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:17:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
In-Reply-To: <0F113D1D-BB10-4429-A713-72B58B4C0A55@gmail.com>
References: <1416378247.60108.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<0F113D1D-BB10-4429-A713-72B58B4C0A55@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdwX_Y0we6NgqQObUxNSAvvD-1fvPEmGzDnkmCTifXtRHg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kaley,

 I understand how frustrating it is to make a paper visually appealing.
 However, if you want to be held to the same standard as your sighted
 peers, I think there are a lot of great ways you can learn to maximize
 the accessible tools available and use a reader to assist you with
 visual nuances that you may not be able to do accessibly. If you are
 making mistakes with punctuation, perhaps you can set your screen
 reader to read all punctuation. This way, you would hear when there
 are two periods.

 I had some great teachers who were often understanding if I made a
 mistake once in a while that was clearly do to inaccessible
 formatting, and luckily, they gave me constructive feedback. But, I
 think it is essential to get in the habit of formatting documents the
 best you can, because in some cases such as applying for jobs, even if
 you attend a networking event with your resume, writing, aka your
 resume, an email, or a cover letter will be the only impression you
 get to make. I think it is very reasonable for teachers to count off
 even for little mistakes like that, because they are prepare you to
 write professionally.

 If I am completing an assignment worth a lot of my grade or reputation
 like a conference paper, I always vet it through a reader. If I am
 collaborating, often I will offer to do something extra , or something
 that would make it fair for the sighted person to do some of the more
 complex formatting. For example, when doing group work, I try to be
 proactive ahead of the group and create a rough PowerPoint with a lot
 of great content. So then they are just editing content and then it
 isn't such a big deal to ask them to choose a scheme that looks nice
 or to insert appropriate photos.

 If an assignment isn't worth a lot, or if I am just turning in
 something for my advisor to look over, I wil format it to the best of
 my ability but not worry about vetting it through a reader. My
 professors and collaborators are often fine with this, because I do
 turn in documents that are grammatically correct. Often, my mistakes
 come with unpredictable Microsoft formatting.

 One thing I have learned is that if I am editing something that
 someone has already assisted me with such as my resume, and I need to
 add a new heading for example, I will copy and paste an existing
 heading. I will then write just next to the heading and delete the
 original characters. Often, my text takes on the formatting
 characteristics of the original text. So try to do that if you can
 remember. I have also learned to ask questions. If I am working with
 someone who is doing formatting as a part of their contribution, I ask
 them how the document looks and why they made the choices they did.
 Over time, I have remembered some things that look good and now
 incorporate them into my formattting.

 I think it takes a while for all of us to learn how to format papers
 to the best of our ability nonvisually and we learn when we need to
 ask a reader for help. However, if you are concerned about formatting
 mistakes affecting your grade, be proactive. Ask to meet with your
 teacher to go over the most common mistakes you make, and the two of
 you can brainstorm to come up with ways you can minimize them in the
 future. I think that if you are proactive, and if you do make an
 effort to turn in papers that look appropriate according to the
 assignment, if you make small mistakes, your teachers will be much
 more forgiving and might use them as opportunities to educate you
 rather than dock points.

 Even when you get really good at formatting, things happen. For
 example, one time, I turned in a blank paper because I didn't realize
 my printer cartridge was empty. Also, to minimize some of the
 automatic formatting in word, I will select all and left align and
 make sure it is the right font, size and style such as regular. I then
 go back and change all of the things that would be different such as
 centering headings and bolding important words. I tend to forget if I
 do these things in process, so I save it all for the eend. Other
 people may have other ideas,, but those are a couple of the strategies
 I use.

 Cindy



On 11/18/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think you
> should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault that you
> are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some of you guys here
> will agre with me in this, I know that we really don't want to rely in
> sighted assistance when it comes to help us on the format of our papers in
> doing the formatting of them, but I think we should in some situations. In
> particular for me, when I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the
> formatting of it, but I usually ask one of my family members if they can
> help me check if I have the right formatting and if it looks like the
> Professor wants it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go
> to my writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting
> of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help
> you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask
> one of the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to
> the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you
> soon. Thanks and God bless! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud
>> and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting
>> mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade
>> reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had
>> two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't
>> indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph.
>> What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual
>> mistakes to my professor?
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 07:18:14 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:18:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Evening, Michael, the over achiever,

         For me, there is no shame in recruiting 
a classmate to help build a friggen power point 
and, I don't know about the program's breadth of 
accessibility, and, to help me deliver the dammed 
thing. There is no shame in that, as i see it, no more shame than using
"the blind card." At least, if you get help 
accessing the inaccessible computer 
infrastructure, it is being honestly addressing 
what you can't do. At 08:19 PM 11/18/2014, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l wrote:
>Greetings!
>         If I could go back in time, the one 
> thing I would have liked to add to my IEP, is 
> extra training in Microsoft power point and 
> Microsoft excel. I work as an assistive 
> technology specialist on campus and find myself 
> facing a rather large learning curve, because I 
> don’t already know excel. It’s a nifty program, 
> though. Most of my classes outside of my 
> major—philosophy—require a power point or two, 
> when dealing with presentations. I’ve gotten 
> out of it a few times by playing the ‘blind 
> card’, that is, dragging my feet and not 
> ‘looking’ at the power point requirements; 
> however, it would be extremely useful and you 
> wouldn’t have to be like, “ah, what, power 
> point was required?” if you had a fundamental 
> understanding of the program already.
>         I like the google AP’s idea, but more 
> so because of my extracurricular. I’m a part of 
> the University debate team, which utilizes google aps often.
>         I hope you have some success. If you 
> ever have any questions, and want candid, 
> nontopical responses, feel free to email me any time!
>Respectfully,
>Michael Ausbun
>University of Nevada, Reno
>Assistive Technology specialist
>Secretary of the Nevada NABS chapter
>President and cofounder of the Universities Philosophy club
>Skype: enderdw4
>
>________________________________________
>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on 
>behalf of Cindy Bennett via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:30 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>
>Hi Chris,
>
>First, props for being proactive and for reaching out to other blind
>people for advice!
>
>I think this is a great topic that has already received a lot of great
>suggestions. Perhaps we could create some sort of Wiki or section on
>the NABS website of crowdsourced advice.
>
>Get training on Google apps. If you get it in your IEP, specificly
>Google apps training, not computer training, the school system has to
>provide resources to do this. There is currently no standardized
>training in Google apps, but I know a couple of people who are pretty
>good with them. Google apps are ubiquitous and you will want to be
>able to use them the best you can.
>
>Cane travel, cane travel, cane travel!
>
>Cindy
>
>On 11/18/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi, Chris,
> >
> > I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
> > handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
> > much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
> > my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
> > dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
> > soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
> > cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
> > error on my own as much as I did.
> >
> > Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
> > shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
> > advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
> > necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
> > was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
> > and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
> > politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
> > awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
> > from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
> > wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
> > was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
> > my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
> > really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
> > to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
> > nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
> > wish I had been.
> >
> > I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
> > sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
> > confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
> > I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
> > stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
> > situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
> > what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
> > schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
> > kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
> > for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
> > switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
> > teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
> > semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
> > really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
> > major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
> > took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
> > stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
> > College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
> > the right program.
> >
> > Hope this helps.
> >
> > On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
> >> guidance.
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
> >> Nusbaum
> >> via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
> >> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
> >>
> >> Hey Fellow NABSters,
> >>
> >> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
> >> beginning
> >> my college search and the long journey of preparation for this
> >> transition.
> >> I
> >> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with appropriate
> >> goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, I would like
> >> some
> >> input from those of you who are currently in college. If there is one key
> >> skill which you wish you would have learned in high school and needed for
> >> college, what would it be? I'm trying to be as proactive as possible in
> >> preparing for college and setting the goals which will best help me do
> >> so,
> >> and the experiences of current college students would be a great help to
> >> me.
> >> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward to
> >> hearing from you soon.
> >>
> >> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> >> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> >> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> >> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
> >>
> >> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> >> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> >> expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create obstacles
> >> between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
> >> blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of the Blind One
> >> Minute Message _______________________________________________
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> >
> > --
> > Kaiti
> >
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>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
>clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 07:27:27 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:27:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Hi, Helga, and everyone,

How can we possibly do something that is so visual like format 
papers? I mean, don't we need sighted help? is that not a no-brainer?
CarAt 11:04 PM 11/18/2014, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think 
>you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your 
>fault that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think 
>that some of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we 
>really don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to 
>help us on the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, 
>but I think we should in some situations. In particular for me, when 
>I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but 
>I usually ask one of my family members if they can help me check if 
>I have the right formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants 
>it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go to my 
>writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the 
>formatting of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted 
>friends to help you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the 
>writing center and ask one of the tutors to help you with the 
>formatting before you turn it in to the Professor? I'm just 
>wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and 
>God bless! :)
>
>Helga Schreiber
>
>Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>of Blind Students.
>Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>Skype: helga.schreiber26
>4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
>"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my 
> paper aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are 
> small formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I 
> usually get a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. 
> Once, I got points off because I had two periods and recently, I 
> lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was 
> definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What do you guys 
> do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual mistakes 
> to my professor?
> >
> > Best,
> > Kaley
> > _______________________________________________
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 19 07:44:59 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2014 23:44:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Hi all,
        Thank you for your feedback. I just wanted to clarify that I do know how to format my papers correctly format my papers (12pt. font, 1 inch margins, works cited page, etc.). I am a literature major, so I generally write between 8-10 papers a semester and therefore, I am well aware of correct punctuation and grammar. I also usually have a friend scan my papers for visual mistakes in exchange for editing their papers' content. These issues of missing an indention or having an extra period are rare. However, some of my professors will still deduct points for these mistakes even if they see that, judging by the rest of my paper, I know when to indent and proper punctuation. 
 
To anyone who uses Zoomtext, can you adjust appreader , so that it reads punctuation?
 
Best,
Kaley 


On Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:27 AM, Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net> wrote:
  


Hi, Helga, and everyone,

How can we possibly do something that is so visual like format 
papers? I mean, don't we need sighted help? is that not a no-brainer?
CarAt 11:04 PM 11/18/2014, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think 
>you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your 
>fault that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think 
>that some of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we 
>really don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to 
>help us on the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, 
>but I think we should in some situations. In particular for me, when 
>I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but 
>I usually ask one of my family members if they can help me check if 
>I have the right formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants 
>it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go to my 
>writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the 
>formatting of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted 
>friends to help you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the 
>writing center and ask one of the tutors to help you with the 
>formatting before you turn it in to the Professor? I'm just 
>wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and 
>God bless! :)
>
>Helga Schreiber
>
>Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>of Blind Students.
>Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>Skype: helga.schreiber26
>4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
>"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my 
> paper aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are 
> small formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I 
> usually get a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. 
> Once, I got points off because I had two periods and recently, I 
> lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was 
> definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What do you guys 
> do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual mistakes 
> to my professor?
> >
> > Best,
> > Kaley
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 09:11:22 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 01:11:22 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out  there.
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Good early morning, minh,

For your assignment, you might tie the instance of heart disease to 
that effecting the total American population and through researching, 
you might see other correlations between both cases, don't you think? 
I'm not sure if in the course of researching, there will present a 
thesis for such a connection of those scenarios?  You'll have to let us know?
Car9/11/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>Minh brought up some good points.  I'm mainly looking into this so I
>can have all options available.  There is no text at all in The Silver
>Scorpian, so it would probably take either a reader or the disability
>services staff to follow the "Written descriptions of images used in
>class" part of my accomodations in order for me to get it.
>
>I met with my professor before class this morning, and she clarified
>that Silver Scorpian is just an example.  Our last assigned paper is
>about diversity in superhero fiction, and she picked him because the
>main character is in a wheelchair, and also diverse racially.  She
>also thinks it's really cool that American and Sirian teens worked
>together to develop the character and story, and since we have a few
>international students from middle eastern countries in our class
>they'd be able to get a cultural kickback out of reading about a
>non-American super.  However, she suggested writing about Iron Man,
>Dare Devel, or Chief from XMen more as other options for the paper if
>I wanted to write about disability specifically, rather than coming up
>with an alternative assignment.  The class does not have to write on
>Silver Scorpian, or disability at all; the paper could also be about
>LGBT representation in super fiction, gender in heroes, etc.  It's
>also going to require research that might not even be about
>superheroes.  For example, she said that if I chose to write about how
>Tony Stark is diverse due to his heart problems represented in super
>fiction, I would want to research cardiology so I have information to
>site in my paper.
>
>I'm stubborn and typically avoid using readers and scribes for things,
>but I do want to at least have the option of writing on The Silver
>Scorpian even if I do choose to write about Dare Devel or Iron Man for
>the paper.  I'd like to be able to do it by myself if at all possible,
>so I will get someone to describe it if no other option for me to do
>it independently becomes available.
>
>To answer Chris's question, I have not checked Bard.  Another way in
>which I'm stubborn I guess is that I'm a bookshare snob; I don't
>really like Bard or Learning Ally.  Honestly, I think Learning Ally
>might be the most likely source to have it, but I just hate listening
>to people read.  I pay attention much better when I use braille and do
>my own work.
>
>On 9/11/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Kaiti,
> >
> > Have you considered getting a reader to have them narrate all the
> > dialogue in the comic and describe the pictures to you? We had to read
> > a couple of graphic novels in one of my AP English classes in high
> > school and one of my friends and I just sat down together and went
> > through the novel together. It took maybe a couple of hours to read
> > through an entire book since most of it consists of graphics. I don't
> > have any vision so using a CCTV wasn't even an option for me to look
> > at the illustrations, but I did really well when it came time to
> > analyzing the novel without actually experiencing the visual parts. My
> > teacher did offer to let me sit that section out and just do another
> > project, but I hate not doing what everyone else was so I decided to
> > try a reader and see how it would go. Hopefully you can find a
> > solution that works best for you because Silver Scorpion sounds
> > awesome.
> >
> > Minh
> >
> > On 9/11/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Have you checked BARD?
> >>
> >> Chris Nusbaum
> >>
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> >>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>>
> >>> This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
> >>> university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
> >>> required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
> >>> themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
> >>> historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
> >>> they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
> >>> looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
> >>> and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
> >>> readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
> >>> relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
> >>> people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
> >>> would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
> >>> Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
> >>> bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
> >>> centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
> >>> Silver Scorpian.
> >>>
> >>> My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
> >>> the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
> >>> will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
> >>> disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
> >>> pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
> >>> prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
> >>> speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
> >>> pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
> >>> has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
> >>> me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
> >>> graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
> >>> there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
> >>> prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
> >>> assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
> >>> fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.
> >>>
> >>> However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
> >>> out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
> >>> I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
> >>> tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
> >>> The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
> >>> using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
> >>> suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
> >>> out there.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Kaiti
> >>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:16:22 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:16:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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No, I do it all the time, and in order to work in the real world, you have
to do so.

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Hi, Helga, and everyone,

How can we possibly do something that is so visual like format papers? I
mean, don't we need sighted help? is that not a no-brainer?
CarAt 11:04 PM 11/18/2014, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think you 
>should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault that 
>you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some of you 
>guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we really don't want 
>to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to help us on the format of 
>our papers in doing the formatting of them, but I think we should in 
>some situations. In particular for me, when I do or write some kind of 
>paper, I do all the formatting of it, but I usually ask one of my 
>family members if they can help me check if I have the right formatting 
>and if it looks like the Professor wants it. However, if they can't 
>help me with that, I usually go to my writing center and ask a tutor if 
>they can help me with the formatting of my paper. So have you tried to 
>ask one of your sighted friends to help you with the formatting of your 
>paper, or go to the writing center and ask one of the tutors to help 
>you with the formatting before you turn it in to the Professor? I'm 
>just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks and 
>God bless! :)
>
>Helga Schreiber
>
>Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>Blind Students.
>Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>Skype: helga.schreiber26
>4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
>"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
>3:16 Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello all,
> >      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my
> paper aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are 
> small formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I 
> usually get a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes.
> Once, I got points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost 
> a few points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was 
> definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What do you guys do 
> in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual mistakes to my 
> professor?
> >
> > Best,
> > Kaley
> > _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:19:38 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:19:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Also, proof your paper as you go section by section.  You will catch
mistakes.  So, when you get tired of writing, proof it and them spell check
it.  You can also use reading fonts and attributes n the schemes, or the
text analyzer, though I haven't gotten the text analyzer to work. 

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Hi Kaley,

 I understand how frustrating it is to make a paper visually appealing.
 However, if you want to be held to the same standard as your sighted
peers, I think there are a lot of great ways you can learn to maximize  the
accessible tools available and use a reader to assist you with  visual
nuances that you may not be able to do accessibly. If you are  making
mistakes with punctuation, perhaps you can set your screen  reader to read
all punctuation. This way, you would hear when there  are two periods.

 I had some great teachers who were often understanding if I made a  mistake
once in a while that was clearly do to inaccessible  formatting, and
luckily, they gave me constructive feedback. But, I  think it is essential
to get in the habit of formatting documents the  best you can, because in
some cases such as applying for jobs, even if  you attend a networking event
with your resume, writing, aka your  resume, an email, or a cover letter
will be the only impression you  get to make. I think it is very reasonable
for teachers to count off  even for little mistakes like that, because they
are prepare you to  write professionally.

 If I am completing an assignment worth a lot of my grade or reputation
like a conference paper, I always vet it through a reader. If I am
collaborating, often I will offer to do something extra , or something  that
would make it fair for the sighted person to do some of the more  complex
formatting. For example, when doing group work, I try to be  proactive ahead
of the group and create a rough PowerPoint with a lot  of great content. So
then they are just editing content and then it  isn't such a big deal to ask
them to choose a scheme that looks nice  or to insert appropriate photos.

 If an assignment isn't worth a lot, or if I am just turning in  something
for my advisor to look over, I wil format it to the best of  my ability but
not worry about vetting it through a reader. My  professors and
collaborators are often fine with this, because I do  turn in documents that
are grammatically correct. Often, my mistakes  come with unpredictable
Microsoft formatting.

 One thing I have learned is that if I am editing something that  someone
has already assisted me with such as my resume, and I need to  add a new
heading for example, I will copy and paste an existing  heading. I will then
write just next to the heading and delete the  original characters. Often,
my text takes on the formatting  characteristics of the original text. So
try to do that if you can  remember. I have also learned to ask questions.
If I am working with  someone who is doing formatting as a part of their
contribution, I ask  them how the document looks and why they made the
choices they did.
 Over time, I have remembered some things that look good and now
incorporate them into my formattting.

 I think it takes a while for all of us to learn how to format papers  to
the best of our ability nonvisually and we learn when we need to  ask a
reader for help. However, if you are concerned about formatting  mistakes
affecting your grade, be proactive. Ask to meet with your  teacher to go
over the most common mistakes you make, and the two of  you can brainstorm
to come up with ways you can minimize them in the  future. I think that if
you are proactive, and if you do make an  effort to turn in papers that look
appropriate according to the  assignment, if you make small mistakes, your
teachers will be much  more forgiving and might use them as opportunities to
educate you  rather than dock points.

 Even when you get really good at formatting, things happen. For  example,
one time, I turned in a blank paper because I didn't realize  my printer
cartridge was empty. Also, to minimize some of the  automatic formatting in
word, I will select all and left align and  make sure it is the right font,
size and style such as regular. I then  go back and change all of the things
that would be different such as  centering headings and bolding important
words. I tend to forget if I  do these things in process, so I save it all
for the eend. Other  people may have other ideas,, but those are a couple of
the strategies  I use.

 Cindy



On 11/18/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think 
> you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault 
> that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some 
> of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we really 
> don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to help us on 
> the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, but I think 
> we should in some situations. In particular for me, when I do or write 
> some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but I usually ask 
> one of my family members if they can help me check if I have the right 
> formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants it. However, if 
> they can't help me with that, I usually go to my writing center and 
> ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting of my paper. So 
> have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help you with the 
> formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask one of 
> the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to 
> the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from 
> you soon. Thanks and God bless! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
> 3:16 Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper 
>> aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small 
>> formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get 
>> a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got 
>> points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost a few 
>> points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was definitely
separated from the previous paragraph.
>> What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these 
>> visual mistakes to my professor?
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:20:19 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:20:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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Also, people who are sighted get other people to read over their papers
also.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:17 AM
To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes

Hi Kaley, In the professional world, formatting mistakes can cause a lot of
issues. We don't get more slack on these things just because we are blind.
So it would be good to start now on having your formatting checked. You can
either have a trusted sighted person help with this, or read character by
character. Speech software like JAWS may offer you better formatting
feedback than ZoomText and you can use the Insert F command to hear a
summary of your indentations, font etc.
Good luck!
Arielle

On 11/18/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think 
> you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault 
> that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some 
> of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we really 
> don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to help us on 
> the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, but I think 
> we should in some situations. In particular for me, when I do or write 
> some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but I usually ask 
> one of my family members if they can help me check if I have the right 
> formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants it. However, if 
> they can't help me with that, I usually go to my writing center and 
> ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting of my paper. So 
> have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help you with the 
> formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask one of 
> the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to 
> the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from 
> you soon. Thanks and God bless! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
> 3:16 Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello all,
>>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper 
>> aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small 
>> formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get 
>> a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got 
>> points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost a few 
>> points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was definitely
separated from the previous paragraph.
>> What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these 
>> visual mistakes to my professor?
>>
>> Best,
>> Kaley
>> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:21:47 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:21:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
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There is nothing wrong with getting someone to reread your paper, but 99
percent of the formatting proofing and spelling mistakes you really should
catch your self.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Helga Schreiber
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:04 AM
To: kcj21; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes

Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think you
should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault that you
are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some of you guys here
will agre with me in this, I know that we really don't want to rely in
sighted assistance when it comes to help us on the format of our papers in
doing the formatting of them, but I think we should in some situations. In
particular for me, when I do or write some kind of paper, I do all the
formatting of it, but I usually ask one of my family members if they can
help me check if I have the right formatting and if it looks like the
Professor wants it. However, if they can't help me with that, I usually go
to my writing center and ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting
of my paper. So have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help
you with the formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask
one of the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to
the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from you
soon. Thanks and God bless! :)  

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 Sent from
my iPhone 

> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper aloud
and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small formatting
mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get a slight grade
reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got points off because I had
two periods and recently, I lost a few points because my paragraph wasn't
indented, but it was definitely separated from the previous paragraph. What
do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these visual
mistakes to my professor?
> 
> Best,
> Kaley
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 09:24:36 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 04:24:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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With powerpoint, we are at a slight disadvantage, but it is possible; I did
it last semester.  I haven't gotten the proof reading part down in
powerpoint het.  I copied and pasted my points from word, but I had mistakes
that I really don't understand.  I would have to go back and look at the
tutorials to learn how to use it again.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
Ausbun via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:20 PM
To: Cindy Bennett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

Greetings!
	If I could go back in time, the one thing I would have liked to add
to my IEP, is extra training in Microsoft power point and Microsoft excel. I
work as an assistive technology specialist on campus and find myself facing
a rather large learning curve, because I don’t already know excel. It’s a
nifty program, though. Most of my classes outside of my
major—philosophy—require a power point or two, when dealing with
presentations. I’ve gotten out of it a few times by playing the ‘blind
card’, that is, dragging my feet and not ‘looking’ at the power point
requirements; however, it would be extremely useful and you wouldn’t have to
be like, “ah, what, power point was required?” if you had a fundamental
understanding of the program already.
	I like the google AP’s idea, but more so because of my
extracurricular. I’m a part of the University debate team, which utilizes
google aps often.
	I hope you have some success. If you ever have any questions, and
want candid, nontopical responses, feel free to email me any time!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
University of Nevada, Reno
Assistive Technology specialist
Secretary of the Nevada NABS chapter
President and cofounder of the Universities Philosophy club
Skype: enderdw4

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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Cindy Bennett via
nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:30 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

Hi Chris,

First, props for being proactive and for reaching out to other blind people
for advice!

I think this is a great topic that has already received a lot of great
suggestions. Perhaps we could create some sort of Wiki or section on the
NABS website of crowdsourced advice.

Get training on Google apps. If you get it in your IEP, specificly Google
apps training, not computer training, the school system has to provide
resources to do this. There is currently no standardized training in Google
apps, but I know a couple of people who are pretty good with them. Google
apps are ubiquitous and you will want to be able to use them the best you
can.

Cane travel, cane travel, cane travel!

Cindy

On 11/18/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, Chris,
>
> I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better 
> handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so 
> much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in 
> my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty 
> dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch, 
> soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can 
> cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and 
> error on my own as much as I did.
>
> Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture 
> shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take 
> advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have 
> necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it 
> was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice 
> and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I 
> politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really 
> awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted 
> from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I 
> wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I 
> was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what 
> my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had 
> really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying 
> to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and 
> nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I 
> wish I had been.
>
> I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from 
> sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least 
> confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
> I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll 
> stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that 
> situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and 
> what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your 
> schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the 
> kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also 
> for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed, 
> switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like 
> teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a 
> semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't 
> really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her 
> major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it 
> took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really 
> stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
> College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in 
> the right program.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
>> guidance.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris 
>> Nusbaum via nabs-l
>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>>
>> Hey Fellow NABSters,
>>
>> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is 
>> beginning my college search and the long journey of preparation for 
>> this transition.
>> I
>> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with 
>> appropriate goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life, 
>> I would like some input from those of you who are currently in 
>> college. If there is one key skill which you wish you would have 
>> learned in high school and needed for college, what would it be? I'm 
>> trying to be as proactive as possible in preparing for college and 
>> setting the goals which will best help me do so, and the experiences 
>> of current college students would be a great help to me.
>> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward 
>> to hearing from you soon.
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>> Maryland Association of Blind Students Coordinator of Social Media, 
>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>
>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the 
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise 
>> the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create 
>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life 
>> you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of 
>> the Blind One Minute Message 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Nov 19 09:51:29 2014
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Good morning, Justin, and everyone,

On the one hand, blindness is framed as a "slight nuisance" and on 
the other, people seem to dawn a defensive posture upon something's 
even being believed to be a result of blindness. And yes, any writer 
will speak to having a pair of "fresh eyes" peruse their work. Read 
"Shitty First Draft" by anne lamott.
Car At 01:20 AM 11/19/2014, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>Also, people who are sighted get other people to read over their papers
>also.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>Silverman via nabs-l
>Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 2:17 AM
>To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Grade deductions for visual mistakes
>
>Hi Kaley, In the professional world, formatting mistakes can cause a lot of
>issues. We don't get more slack on these things just because we are blind.
>So it would be good to start now on having your formatting checked. You can
>either have a trusted sighted person help with this, or read character by
>character. Speech software like JAWS may offer you better formatting
>feedback than ZoomText and you can use the Insert F command to hear a
>summary of your indentations, font etc.
>Good luck!
>Arielle
>
>On 11/18/14, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Kaley. I think regarding this issue that you are having, I think
> > you should talk to your professor about it since it is not your fault
> > that you are making this visual mistakes. In fact, I think that some
> > of you guys here will agre with me in this, I know that we really
> > don't want to rely in sighted assistance when it comes to help us on
> > the format of our papers in doing the formatting of them, but I think
> > we should in some situations. In particular for me, when I do or write
> > some kind of paper, I do all the formatting of it, but I usually ask
> > one of my family members if they can help me check if I have the right
> > formatting and if it looks like the Professor wants it. However, if
> > they can't help me with that, I usually go to my writing center and
> > ask a tutor if they can help me with the formatting of my paper. So
> > have you tried to ask one of your sighted friends to help you with the
> > formatting of your paper, or go to the writing center and ask one of
> > the tutors to help you with the formatting before you turn it in to
> > the Professor? I'm just wondering. Hope this help! Hope to hear from
> > you soon. Thanks and God bless! :)
> >
> > Helga Schreiber
> >
> > Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> > Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
> > Blind Students.
> > Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> > Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> > Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> > Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
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> > INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> >
> > "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
> > whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
> > 3:16 Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Nov 19, 2014, at 1:24 AM, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hello all,
> >>      When writing a paper, I have Zoomtext Appreader read my paper
> >> aloud and I use Spell Check. However, occasionally, there are small
> >> formatting mistakes that I don't notice. Unfortunately, I usually get
> >> a slight grade reduction for these visual mistakes. Once, I got
> >> points off because I had two periods and recently, I lost a few
> >> points because my paragraph wasn't indented, but it was definitely
>separated from the previous paragraph.
> >> What do you guys do in these circumstances. Should I explain these
> >> visual mistakes to my professor?
> >>
> >> Best,
> >> Kaley
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Wed Nov 19 15:02:40 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:02:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] {Disarmed} USICD Call for Applicants: Youth in Int'l
 Development & Foreign Affairs internship
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 15:42:03 2014
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 09:42:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Here are some things I wish my teachers, parents, etc had drilled into
my head before going to college:
There is no shame in asking for help when you need it.  To this day, I
hate asking for help because I feel like people expect it of me.  But
lately, I have been learning to ask someone if I wanted a reader
rather than struggling through hours of dealing with powerpoint.  Or
if I am having trouble learning my music, why shouldn't I ask my
accompanist to help me count the rhythms?  Everyone needs help with
something fromm time to time, and it doesn't make you look like the
helpless blind person if you ask for some.

Learn how to tell people what you need, and realize that some
situations will be new for you, making it difficult for you to know
exactly how you will work them out.  You will need to be able to tell
Disability Services and your professors how you learn best, how you
prefer to take tests, and how you want to turn in assignments.  Do you
want to use Braille for everything?  Can you take your tests in the
classroom with everyone else?  Do you want to turn in your assignments
through email?  When would you like to use a reader?  Can you tell
your professors all these things?  You should be ready to tell them
all these things.  Also, when you are in a class where you are unsure
how you would like to do things, be aware of this, and don't be afraid
to change your mind.  If you find out that you need the extra time on
a particular professor's test because there is matching or more visual
content that it takes you longer to interpret, don't be afraid to go
back and use it.

Work on your cooking, cleaning, and other home management skills.  I,
like Kaiti, had to learn how to cook by trial and error.  It was not
the best way to learn.  And learn how to make coffee!  Baking is
another great thing to do while you're studying your brains out over
finals week.

I could probably come up with more...  But I hope this is helpful for now.


On 11/19/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> With powerpoint, we are at a slight disadvantage, but it is possible; I did
> it last semester.  I haven't gotten the proof reading part down in
> powerpoint het.  I copied and pasted my points from word, but I had
> mistakes
> that I really don't understand.  I would have to go back and look at the
> tutorials to learn how to use it again.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
> Ausbun via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 11:20 PM
> To: Cindy Bennett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>
> Greetings!
> 	If I could go back in time, the one thing I would have liked to add
> to my IEP, is extra training in Microsoft power point and Microsoft excel.
> I
> work as an assistive technology specialist on campus and find myself facing
> a rather large learning curve, because I don't already know excel. It's a
> nifty program, though. Most of my classes outside of my
> major--philosophy--require a power point or two, when dealing with
> presentations. I've gotten out of it a few times by playing the 'blind
> card', that is, dragging my feet and not 'looking' at the power point
> requirements; however, it would be extremely useful and you wouldn't have
> to
> be like, "ah, what, power point was required?" if you had a fundamental
> understanding of the program already.
> 	I like the google AP's idea, but more so because of my
> extracurricular. I'm a part of the University debate team, which utilizes
> google aps often.
> 	I hope you have some success. If you ever have any questions, and
> want candid, nontopical responses, feel free to email me any time!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> University of Nevada, Reno
> Assistive Technology specialist
> Secretary of the Nevada NABS chapter
> President and cofounder of the Universities Philosophy club
> Skype: enderdw4
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Cindy Bennett via
> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:30 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> First, props for being proactive and for reaching out to other blind people
> for advice!
>
> I think this is a great topic that has already received a lot of great
> suggestions. Perhaps we could create some sort of Wiki or section on the
> NABS website of crowdsourced advice.
>
> Get training on Google apps. If you get it in your IEP, specificly Google
> apps training, not computer training, the school system has to provide
> resources to do this. There is currently no standardized training in Google
> apps, but I know a couple of people who are pretty good with them. Google
> apps are ubiquitous and you will want to be able to use them the best you
> can.
>
> Cane travel, cane travel, cane travel!
>
> Cindy
>
> On 11/18/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi, Chris,
>>
>> I would say that one thing I definitely wish that I had a better
>> handle on before going to college was cooking.  It didn't matter so
>> much my freshman year when I had a meal plan and only a microwave in
>> my dorm, but once I got a kitchen my sophomore year, I was pretty
>> dependent on my sighted roommates for most dinners beyond a sandwitch,
>> soup, etc until I learned how to use a stove.  I'm thankful that I can
>> cook now, but I wish that I didn't have to learn through trial and
>> error on my own as much as I did.
>>
>> Also, I wish that I would have been more prepared for the culture
>> shock of being the one blind person, who people could easily take
>> advantage of.  I don't know if this is something I could have
>> necessarily prepared for, or that you could even prepare for, but it
>> was difficult for me to adjust to that.  Most people were very nice
>> and treated me normally, offered help but were still okay when I
>> politely declined, invited me to go places, etc.  I had a really
>> awkward and bad roommate situation my first semester which resulted
>> from my roommate thinking she could get away with anything because I
>> wouldn't see it.  I wasn't sheltered by my family or anything, but I
>> was fortunate enough to never have to deal with bullying beyond what
>> my sighted classmates got from time to time as a kid, and no one had
>> really tried to take advantage of me like that before.  I'm not trying
>> to scare you, and like I said 99.999% of people were really cool and
>> nice to me, but it was just something I was more naïve about than I
>> wish I had been.
>>
>> I agree with Justin.  I was lucky enough to be set on my career from
>> sophomore year of high school on, but career explanation at the least
>> confirmed this for me, while letting me see if I'd like other fields.
>> I'd recommend doing what you can to settle on a major that you'll
>> stick with through undergrad; don't be ashamed of switching if that
>> situation comes, but depending on what you want to switch from and
>> what you want to switch to, it may or may not add some time on to your
>> schooling if it happens.  You also don't necessarily want to be the
>> kid that switches a bunch, not just for the money and time but also
>> for your own sanity.  I have a friend who started as music ed,
>> switched to early childhood ed because she thought she didn't like
>> teaching music after the first year, only stayed in that degree for a
>> semester because she decided teaching itself was what she didn't
>> really like, and is now finally settled on pre-med.  She loves her
>> major now, but she's added an extra year onto her program because it
>> took her so long to find what she wanted to do, and was really
>> stressed about her career choices until she got to this point.
>> College is stressful enough at times when you do feel like you're in
>> the right program.
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> On 11/18/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Career exploration. Make sure you do that.   Wish I would have had
>>> guidance.
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris
>>> Nusbaum via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 18, 2014 7:22 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
>>>
>>> Hey Fellow NABSters,
>>>
>>> As many of you know, I am currently a junior in high school who is
>>> beginning my college search and the long journey of preparation for
>>> this transition.
>>> I
>>> have an IEP meeting coming up and I'm trying to come up with
>>> appropriate goals for me in the coming year. At this time in my life,
>>> I would like some input from those of you who are currently in
>>> college. If there is one key skill which you wish you would have
>>> learned in high school and needed for college, what would it be? I'm
>>> trying to be as proactive as possible in preparing for college and
>>> setting the goals which will best help me do so, and the experiences
>>> of current college students would be a great help to me.
>>> Thank you in advance for your advice and perspective. I look forward
>>> to hearing from you soon.
>>>
>>> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
>>> Maryland Association of Blind Students Coordinator of Social Media,
>>> National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
>>> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS, and @NFBMD
>>>
>>> "The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise
>>> the expectations of blind people,  because low expectations create
>>> obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life
>>> you want; blindness need not hold you back." -National Federation of
>>> the Blind One Minute Message
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>>
>> --
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> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington Human Centered Design and
> Engineering
>
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> the Blind of Washington Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
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Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu  Wed Nov 19 16:04:31 2014
From: bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu (LeJeune, B.J.)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 16:04:31 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [AERNet] FW: BT [leadership] Request for Assistance
 with a National Science Foundation Study on Blind People's' Document
 Formatting Skills
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I have been following your discussion about formatting papers with interest and this morning I received a request for people who are blind to volunteer to be in a research study on this very topic, so I am forwarding this along to you.  I do not know anything about it other than what was stated in the email below, so if you are interested, please contact the researcher Lourdes Morales- Villaverde at lommoral at ucsc.edu<mailto:lommoral at ucsc.edu> .

BJ

B. J. LeJeune, CRC, CVRT
National Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision
Mississippi State Univeristy
P. O. Box 6189
Mississippi State, MS  39762
662-325-2694
www.blind.msstate.edu<http://www.blind.msstate.edu>


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Subject: BT [leadership] Request for Assistance with a National ScienceFoundation Study on Blind People's' Document Formatting Skills



Greetings,

We are researchers from the University of California, Santa Cruz.
We are investigating ways in which tools may assist blind people
with tasks related to document formatting. As a first step, we need
to gather information about document formatting practices, errors
and barriers of blind persons. To do this, we need to collect a
large number and variety of documents that were created and formatted
by blind persons (with at most some light perception) without help
from sighted persons.

Please help us by providing documents (at least
3 pages long) that you have created with any word processor
(Microsoft Word, Apple Pages, etc.) and formatted without help from a
sighted person.

We will run a drawing for two $50 Amazon gift certificates as a
token of appreciation for those who provide at least five documents that follow the
previous criteria.

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strict rule of maintaining your and your documents
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finished.

If you are interested in helping, please email your documents or
any questions regarding the study to:
lommoral at ucsc.edu<mailto:lommoral at ucsc.edu>

Also, if you know someone who fits the criteria and might be
interested in helping us, please forward this post. We really appreciate
your help.

Thank you for your time.

Best regards,
Lourdes M. Morales Villaverde
Computer Science Ph.D. Student
Interactive Systems for Individuals with Special Needs (ISIS) Lab
Baskin School of Engineering University of California, Santa Cruz
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:06:36 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 11:06:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
Message-ID: <546cc02e.05846b0a.1e23.31cf@mx.google.com>

Hi Chris hope things are going well.  I wish I would have worked 
more on my independent living skills in high school.


From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 16:38:06 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 10:38:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Hi to Chris and all.  I agree with a lot of what has already been
stated.  Do not be afraid to ask for the help you need in completing
your class assignments, and doing things like taking tests.  Also,
while in college, I'd suggest learning the routes to your classes as
soon as you can.  For the first couple years in college, I found
students or other teachers to take me to where I needed to go.  I wish
I hadn't done this.  When I finally learned my routes mainly because I
wanted to do so, things became a lot easier.  If you know the way to
your classes and other buildings on campus, you can just go very
easily to where ever you need to go.  You don't have to try and find
someone to help you find a certain class, and worry that you might be
late for the beginning of a lecture.  Also, if your college has a
tutoring service, I'd suggest taking full advantage of it.  Tutoring
is how I was able to make it through my college math classes.  Also
working on independent living skills is also a very good thing to work
on.  I wish I had worked on this more.  Good luck.  It is a great
thing to have a list where students can ask advice of one another.

On 11/19/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Chris hope things are going well.  I wish I would have worked
> more on my independent living skills in high school.
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 17:39:51 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 12:39:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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	<CADUoy9t6Ct0veMigkZAeVrdu1YfAR2JjuaceyJYPAbzWgUy_YA@mail.gmail.com>
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I'm going to comment on a few other things if that's okay.  Cindy  has
a great point about google apps.  I don't know them and wish that I
did.  Powerpoint is different though; I was lucky enough to get
extensive MS office training early, so powerpoint is pretty eawsy once
you're familiar with it.  (Justin and all, do you know you can still
use the F7 key to spell-check powerpoint documents)?  I used to worry
about the visual display, but any more there are pre-designed themes
that come loaded into the document.  If you get someone to describe
them once, you can have a few in your back pocket to pick and choose
from independently.  E.G, two of my favorite designs are Newsprint and
Apex).  I just recently made a powerpoint, and it was so great to just
pick Newsprint and only have to worry about the writing.  Sighted
students do this too, so there's no shame in using the set themes.

Cane travel is key.  Each university is different, but I'd definitely
recommend making sure you're comfortable with crossing busy roads if
you aren't already.  I crossed my first four lane road my freshman
year, and although I'm a good cane traveler it just threw me off since
I had never crossed such a wide street with so many cars before.

Another big piece of advice I would offer is don't be ashamed to use
readers.  I'm a huge stickler for braille and doing things myself, but
there really are times when using a scribe or dictating information to
your professors is just the more practical option.  I am taking a
pretty difficult upper-level music theory course now, which requires
me to graph music to analyze it.  My professor suggested that I find
another way to write notes throughout the test, since I was flipping
between programs on my computer constantly.  I lugged my perkins
brailler across campus to do it, but it still took me forever and I
had to dictate the braille to him afterwards.  In some ways, doing it
in this method made me more confused, since I couldn't correct
mistakes in braille as easily as I could on the computer.  The prof
just said that it might be best to dictate from then on.  At first I
hesitated because I wanted to do my own work, but he was good about
telling me in nicer terms to get over myself and accept his offer to
be my scribe.  In this case, I have to admit he was right.  My last
test was completed in the same time as everyone else, which has never
happened before, and I got the highest grade on my tests thus far
because I could catch mistakes without being confused about what the
braille said.

On 11/19/14, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi to Chris and all.  I agree with a lot of what has already been
> stated.  Do not be afraid to ask for the help you need in completing
> your class assignments, and doing things like taking tests.  Also,
> while in college, I'd suggest learning the routes to your classes as
> soon as you can.  For the first couple years in college, I found
> students or other teachers to take me to where I needed to go.  I wish
> I hadn't done this.  When I finally learned my routes mainly because I
> wanted to do so, things became a lot easier.  If you know the way to
> your classes and other buildings on campus, you can just go very
> easily to where ever you need to go.  You don't have to try and find
> someone to help you find a certain class, and worry that you might be
> late for the beginning of a lecture.  Also, if your college has a
> tutoring service, I'd suggest taking full advantage of it.  Tutoring
> is how I was able to make it through my college math classes.  Also
> working on independent living skills is also a very good thing to work
> on.  I wish I had worked on this more.  Good luck.  It is a great
> thing to have a list where students can ask advice of one another.
>
> On 11/19/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Chris hope things are going well.  I wish I would have worked
>> more on my independent living skills in high school.
>>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 18:02:55 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 13:02:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students
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Yes, but somehow, I couldn't get the f7 to do what it did in word.  Like I
had to go slide by slide or something. I used spell check while it was in
word, but I'm not sure what happened when I copied it over to the powerpoint
presentation.

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 19, 2014 12:40 PM
To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for the College Students

I'm going to comment on a few other things if that's okay.  Cindy  has a
great point about google apps.  I don't know them and wish that I did.
Powerpoint is different though; I was lucky enough to get extensive MS
office training early, so powerpoint is pretty eawsy once you're familiar
with it.  (Justin and all, do you know you can still use the F7 key to
spell-check powerpoint documents)?  I used to worry about the visual
display, but any more there are pre-designed themes that come loaded into
the document.  If you get someone to describe them once, you can have a few
in your back pocket to pick and choose from independently.  E.G, two of my
favorite designs are Newsprint and Apex).  I just recently made a
powerpoint, and it was so great to just pick Newsprint and only have to
worry about the writing.  Sighted students do this too, so there's no shame
in using the set themes.

Cane travel is key.  Each university is different, but I'd definitely
recommend making sure you're comfortable with crossing busy roads if you
aren't already.  I crossed my first four lane road my freshman year, and
although I'm a good cane traveler it just threw me off since I had never
crossed such a wide street with so many cars before.

Another big piece of advice I would offer is don't be ashamed to use
readers.  I'm a huge stickler for braille and doing things myself, but there
really are times when using a scribe or dictating information to your
professors is just the more practical option.  I am taking a pretty
difficult upper-level music theory course now, which requires me to graph
music to analyze it.  My professor suggested that I find another way to
write notes throughout the test, since I was flipping between programs on my
computer constantly.  I lugged my perkins brailler across campus to do it,
but it still took me forever and I had to dictate the braille to him
afterwards.  In some ways, doing it in this method made me more confused,
since I couldn't correct mistakes in braille as easily as I could on the
computer.  The prof just said that it might be best to dictate from then on.
At first I hesitated because I wanted to do my own work, but he was good
about telling me in nicer terms to get over myself and accept his offer to
be my scribe.  In this case, I have to admit he was right.  My last test was
completed in the same time as everyone else, which has never happened
before, and I got the highest grade on my tests thus far because I could
catch mistakes without being confused about what the braille said.

On 11/19/14, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi to Chris and all.  I agree with a lot of what has already been 
> stated.  Do not be afraid to ask for the help you need in completing 
> your class assignments, and doing things like taking tests.  Also, 
> while in college, I'd suggest learning the routes to your classes as 
> soon as you can.  For the first couple years in college, I found 
> students or other teachers to take me to where I needed to go.  I wish 
> I hadn't done this.  When I finally learned my routes mainly because I 
> wanted to do so, things became a lot easier.  If you know the way to 
> your classes and other buildings on campus, you can just go very 
> easily to where ever you need to go.  You don't have to try and find 
> someone to help you find a certain class, and worry that you might be 
> late for the beginning of a lecture.  Also, if your college has a 
> tutoring service, I'd suggest taking full advantage of it.  Tutoring 
> is how I was able to make it through my college math classes.  Also 
> working on independent living skills is also a very good thing to work 
> on.  I wish I had worked on this more.  Good luck.  It is a great 
> thing to have a list where students can ask advice of one another.
>
> On 11/19/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Chris hope things are going well.  I wish I would have worked more 
>> on my independent living skills in high school.
>>
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 20:21:51 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:21:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
Message-ID: <00b001d00436$75309e50$5f91daf0$@gmail.com>

Interesting idea about being a Braille proof reader from home. Any
suggestions how to find employment in that sector? 

 

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 21:18:10 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 15:18:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] November Membership Call
Message-ID: <0CFDE8EC-F34B-4BCF-980D-A351B922230C@gmail.com>

Hey there NABS, 

We hope that the wind down towards the end of the semester hasn't turned into a free fall quite yet and that you are enjoying the holiday season! With the month over halfway gone the membership committee is preparing another call for you. This month we are looking into the membership survey that many of you participated in a few month's ago. On our last call, quite a bit of intetest was expressed in what content responders of the survey wanted to see on future membership calls. Therefore, this month we'll be releasing those responses and discussing them on our call. 

The responses from the survey will be released next week to give you all a chance to peruse them before our November call. In the mean time, let's talk about your idea of an awesome, interesting, informative membership call. Maybe you didn't get a chance to respond to the survey, or perhaps you've had further ideas since then, either way, shout them out! 

Here are more details about the call. 

When: November 30th, 2014
Where: NABS Conference line-(605) 475-6700 code-7869673
What: November Membership Call

Looking forward to hearing from you all! 

Best wishes, 

Candice





From ALewis at nfb.org  Wed Nov 19 21:31:50 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 21:31:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Bid For Equality 2014- Help Spread the Word!
Message-ID: <e61f05704e4441ff93dd2d7ca49c90a0@BN1PR07MB389.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

The Bid for Equality online auction is nearly 1- week away, launching on November 28 (Black Friday), and running through December 4! Your time and effort spent coordinating packages is much appreciated! Now, we need your help promoting our Bid for Equality and your fantastic packages to ensure that the auction reaches the widest audience possible. Below are some ways you can help us spread the word in your communities about the NFB and its online auction!

Thunderclap
Right now, you're probably wondering: What is Thunderclap?
Thunderclap is a website that allows groups of people to pledge a tweet or Facebook message to automatically be sent out on the same day and time in order to achieve maximum effect. Think of it as an online flash mob in support of the National Federation of the Blind! If at least one-hundred people sign up, a status promoting the Bid for Equality and the National Federation of the Blind will go out from all accounts at noon EST on November 28. Sign up now with your Twitter and/or Facebook account and encourage others to join at http://thndr.it/1skfI4w<http://sendgrid.thunderclap.it/wf/click?upn=YDBP6RK3mvJEJxxpkIniqCKrkLWnd-2FchSsi473ryBPU-3D_XgfWY-2BuY4cfo2uqyYQdJHwiSTD0pOXsxrT1e3j0cE5BYlt3C7axrlnE9kygiYYUo445j6h26nncOHLESUtYT7X8K8DKc4ctLEgUCwBWloj-2F4JBphAtNdSzgx97zpnVrVMRTM4ujdNIYBzbSiU-2FLHJdlnSk7-2FFD0H5sCQywsyWgMXK3RU1RlEEtqD5nmPdRGSdGH9RfNZEiSwFOGnMuQXfQ-3D-3D>!

Share Bid for Equality Flyers
We have created a Bid for Equality flyer (attached to this email) that you can share with friends, family, and even local businesses. The target audience for the Bid for Equality is mature and affluent shoppers, so you may want to specifically target businesses such as upscale grocery stores (Whole Foods, Harris Teeter), restaurants, and salons. You may also consider checking with your church or your local coffee shop about posting a flyer on their community bulletin board. Other businesses to consider sharing the flyer with include country clubs, local souvenir stores (such as Greetings and Readings), libraries, craft shows, and sporting shops.

Social Media
We will be promoting the Bid for Equality on Twitter (@NFB_voice<http://www.twitter.com/nfb_voice>) and Facebook (www.facebook.com/NationalFederationoftheBlind<http://www.facebook.com/NationalFederationoftheBlind>) and we encourage you to do the same. There will be a lot of content coming from the national social media feeds for you to retweet or share, but we also encourage you to create and personalize your own tweets and Facebook posts promoting the auction. It would be a great idea to share specifically the item your affiliate donated to the auction, as you will be able to easily personalize it. Below are sample tweets and Facebook posts for reference.
Sample tweets:
This holiday season the NFB is #thankful for our great donation items! Make your Bid for Equality at http://bit.ly/1a9vJnI
Bid on a #holiday #gift from our #auction and support the programs of the NFB of <insert affiliate or chapter name> at the same time! http://bit.ly/1a9vJnI
Happy #GivingTuesday! Celebrate with us and support the work of the NFB by shopping our online #auction! http://bit.ly/1a9vJnI

Sample Facebook post:
The National Federation of the Blind<http://www.facebook.com/NationalFederationoftheBlind> Bid for Equality online auction is now open for bidding! Help the NFB fund its work to provide blind Americans with the tools they need to become independent and successful by sharing the auction with your friends and family! There are a wide range of unique and exciting auction items available, from getaways to Philadelphia, Colorado, and Atlanta, to a fun trip to Las Vegas!  Visit http://bit.ly/1a9vJnI to bid now, and remember: the future is in your bid!

Place a Radio Ad or PSA
Radio is a great way to reach the target audience for the Bid for Equality. You may want to investigate opportunities for local radio spots or PSAs - many radio stations have special deals or even free public service announcement (PSA) space for nonprofit organizations. We recommend reaching out to radio stations that attract an older, affluent audience, such as your local NPR affiliate or a classical music station.
Thank you in advance for your help in making the Bid for Equality a successful auction! If you have any questions, please contact Raquel Minwell at RMinwell at nfb.org<mailto:RMinwell at nfb.org>.


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Deputy Executive Director

National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute
200 East Wells Street at Jernigan Place
Baltimore, Maryland   21230

(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 (Voice)
(410) 659-5129 (FAX)
Email: alewis at nfb.org<mailto:alewis at nfb.org>
Web: www.nfb.org<http://www.nfb.org/>
Twitter: @AnilLife

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can have the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>.

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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Nov 19 22:19:19 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 17:19:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Future Of My Radio Show Announcements On This List
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+yPZ1s0mqUvjikRivYsKY==SmNEL7sH7CAuzA2f+83Fhw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
Arielle wrote me a couple of days ago to inform me that the moderators
have decided that I can no longer post my show announcements on this
list. She did however tell me I could tell you how to find out about
my show announcements if anyone is still interested as a transitional
thing.
For right now, at least until 2015, when some major changes will be
taking place, you can find out about the shows via twitter at
digitaldj24
or
sky106radio
You can also email me at
internetradioentertainer at gmail.com
if you wish to get them by email.
There's a show tonight on
http://the-bell.net/listen
that I must prep for as it starts at 7 PM eastern, so use the above
methods to find out about future shows, and thanks to everyone for the
support and comments.
>From David Dunphy


From shawnabraham21 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 00:57:19 2014
From: shawnabraham21 at gmail.com (Shawn Abraham)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2014 19:57:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about programming
Message-ID: <546d3c81.f3568c0a.52d0.67c2@mx.google.com>

Hello all,
This year I am taking a technology class, part of which I'm 
required to take a basics computer science course for.  Right 
now, we're using a lot of a program called Live Code, especially 
in designing simple games.  Games with dragging and dropping 
objects across a screen and so on.  Live code seems to be 
virtually inaccessible because it is so visual.  Does anyone know 
of any tools or techniques that could help me? Later we'll be 
moving on to Python and Ruby languages, which I know are 
accessible, but are there any ways at least to design games 
accessibly on a mac?
I would appreciate any help on the subject.
Thanks!


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 14:49:21 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 09:49:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about programming
In-Reply-To: <546d3c81.f3568c0a.52d0.67c2@mx.google.com>
References: <546d3c81.f3568c0a.52d0.67c2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <22D3FC39-2E14-48C4-BD9D-BF28D3BEE693@gmail.com>

Shawn,

How wonderful it is to see you on this list! I love that you are getting more involved in the Federation and NABS, both at the state and national levels. It was great to see you at convention and even more awesome to hear about your experiences at LCB. I'm glad to hear that you are interested in getting more involved in MDABS. Feel free to contact me off-list about this and we will find a place for you.

Back to your question, I unfortunately can't give you any personal knowledge or experience. However, we do have a list which is mostly made up of blind programmers and IT professsionals. It's called NFBCS, and can be subscribed to by emailing nfbcs-request at nfbnet.org with the subject Subscribe. This may be a place to get some good information from those who are professionals in that line of work. Hope this helps.

Chris

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 19, 2014, at 7:57 PM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> This year I am taking a technology class, part of which I'm required to take a basics computer science course for.  Right now, we're using a lot of a program called Live Code, especially in designing simple games.  Games with dragging and dropping objects across a screen and so on.  Live code seems to be virtually inaccessible because it is so visual.  Does anyone know of any tools or techniques that could help me? Later we'll be moving on to Python and Ruby languages, which I know are accessible, but are there any ways at least to design games accessibly on a mac?
> I would appreciate any help on the subject.
> Thanks!
> 
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From andrewjedg at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:04:31 2014
From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:04:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] games
Message-ID: <CAM342zYZCxHBi=Oyv1OmXK7sHE1yxYoc1dRmuhLmCD-7VBKOsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for
blind people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the
braille uno cards but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.


From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:06:23 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:06:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] games
In-Reply-To: <CAM342zYZCxHBi=Oyv1OmXK7sHE1yxYoc1dRmuhLmCD-7VBKOsg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM342zYZCxHBi=Oyv1OmXK7sHE1yxYoc1dRmuhLmCD-7VBKOsg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1f1f01d00505$d80e8530$882b8f90$@gmail.com>

Head to www.blindmicemart.com and to www.maxiaids.com They have Braille card
games.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:05 PM
To: nabs-l; annette bateman
Subject: [nabs-l] games

Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for blind
people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the braille uno cards
but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.

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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:20:34 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 14:20:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] games
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Message-ID: <530AC114-A1E7-495F-BFD3-D4EE948DE9F3@gmail.com>

Alternatively you have computer programs like RS games or the Quentin C playroom, if you wanted to go that route. Also, card games are great because even the lesser-known ones that aren't sold in braille can easily be brailed on.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Head to www.blindmicemart.com and to www.maxiaids.com They have Braille card
> games.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:05 PM
> To: nabs-l; annette bateman
> Subject: [nabs-l] games
> 
> Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for blind
> people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the braille uno cards
> but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
> and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.
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From andrewjedg at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:29:45 2014
From: andrewjedg at gmail.com (Andrew)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 16:29:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] games
In-Reply-To: <530AC114-A1E7-495F-BFD3-D4EE948DE9F3@gmail.com>
References: <CAM342zYZCxHBi=Oyv1OmXK7sHE1yxYoc1dRmuhLmCD-7VBKOsg@mail.gmail.com>
	<1f1f01d00505$d80e8530$882b8f90$@gmail.com>
	<530AC114-A1E7-495F-BFD3-D4EE948DE9F3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAM342zYOQqWmwMLYS3OVoGGeFtQSuH_BWNpn-rQYtg7+OiPjHA@mail.gmail.com>

i was wanting to play games with sighted people when i am out and
about  i can't find the bralle and toys area at all myself.

On 11/20/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alternatively you have computer programs like RS games or the Quentin C
> playroom, if you wanted to go that route. Also, card games are great because
> even the lesser-known ones that aren't sold in braille can easily be brailed
> on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Head to www.blindmicemart.com and to www.maxiaids.com They have Braille
>> card
>> games.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:05 PM
>> To: nabs-l; annette bateman
>> Subject: [nabs-l] games
>>
>> Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for blind
>> people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the braille uno
>> cards
>> but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
>> and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.
>>
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 20 21:30:55 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 13:30:55 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] games
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I sent you the link. If you cannot find it in your email, I will resend.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:30 PM
To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] games

i was wanting to play games with sighted people when i am out and about  i
can't find the bralle and toys area at all myself.

On 11/20/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Alternatively you have computer programs like RS games or the Quentin 
> C playroom, if you wanted to go that route. Also, card games are great 
> because even the lesser-known ones that aren't sold in braille can 
> easily be brailed on.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Head to www.blindmicemart.com and to www.maxiaids.com They have 
>> Braille card games.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew 
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:05 PM
>> To: nabs-l; annette bateman
>> Subject: [nabs-l] games
>>
>> Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for 
>> blind people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the 
>> braille uno cards but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
>> and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.
>>
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From: bashin at calweb.com (Bryan Bashin)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 21:45:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] San Francisco Lighthouse Seeking O&M Instructor,
	NOMCWelcome
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Nov 21 04:33:13 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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Hi Kurt, yes the default format is MP3.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amanda,
> Congratulations on graduating your technology i up to this decade. :-) I found the apex microphone to be much more sensitive at recording them that on the pac mate, also someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can record directly and MP3 which will save a lot of space. I still prefer Recording things on the Victor Stream, even compared to an iPhone, because of the really easy bookmark/highlight bookmark options. If you're going to be doing serious recording, I probably suggest you go that route if it's viable for you.
> Best,
> Kirt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> If your apex is empty, you should have several hundred hours of recording
>> time.  
>> 
>> Loren 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
>> To: Doug Oliver
>> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
>> 
>> Okay, that is annoying. How much space does the apex have?
>> 
>> Amanda
>> 
>>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving
>> your recordings to.
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for 
>>>> meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the 
>>>> meeting?Amanda _______________________________________________
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>>>> ail.com
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 04:45:53 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 23:45:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] games
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STandard decks of cards should be able to provide you with a lot of
card game options.  Everything from Go Fish and War to Rummy games and
Poker.  There's a lot you can do with just one set; you just have to
learn the different games, and the best way to do that is just by
playing with other people.

As was suggested, if you're having trouble finding the manufactured
braille cards, you can always buy a standard deck at just about any
store and braille them yourself.  I tend to do this because it is
faster in the long run, and less expensive as well.  If you go this
route, generally you braille a letter for the suit (D for diamonds, C
for clubs, S for spades, and H for hearts) without the letter sign,
and right next to it you write the nemeth version of the number.  I've
seen aces represented by both a nemeth 1 and the letter A; it really
doesn't matter which one you pick there as long as you know what it
means.  Kings of any suit are represented by a K, E.G HK means king of
hearts.  This is the same for queen and jack cards.

Personally, I like Uno, but I can see how that would be limiting if
that's all you have.

There are also tactile versions of other games, like chess, checkers,
etc.  I have a tactile checkers and chess set and love it.

On 11/20/14, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I sent you the link. If you cannot find it in your email, I will resend.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:30 PM
> To: Kirt; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] games
>
> i was wanting to play games with sighted people when i am out and about  i
> can't find the bralle and toys area at all myself.
>
> On 11/20/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Alternatively you have computer programs like RS games or the Quentin
>> C playroom, if you wanted to go that route. Also, card games are great
>> because even the lesser-known ones that aren't sold in braille can
>> easily be brailed on.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 20, 2014, at 2:06 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Head to www.blindmicemart.com and to www.maxiaids.com They have
>>> Braille card games.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Andrew
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 1:05 PM
>>> To: nabs-l; annette bateman
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] games
>>>
>>> Hi all  just wondering what kinds of card games are abvailable for
>>> blind people to play as far as card games go. Also i do have the
>>> braille uno cards but anyway  what braille card games get sold there?
>>> and  what card games do you  play i am totally blind.
>>>
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From shawnabraham21 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 12:51:40 2014
From: shawnabraham21 at gmail.com (Shawn Abraham)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:51:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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Hello,
This is not true, I believe that the Apex records only as wav.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex

Hi Kurt, yes the default format is MP3.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



 On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kirt via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Amanda,
 Congratulations on graduating your technology i up to this 
decade.  :-) I found the apex microphone to be much more 
sensitive at recording them that on the pac mate, also someone 
correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can record 
directly and MP3 which will save a lot of space.  I still prefer 
Recording things on the Victor Stream, even compared to an 
iPhone, because of the really easy bookmark/highlight bookmark 
options.  If you're going to be doing serious recording, I 
probably suggest you go that route if it's viable for you.
 Best,
 Kirt

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

 If your apex is empty, you should have several hundred hours of 
recording
 time.

 Loren



 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Amanda via
 nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
 To: Doug Oliver
 Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex

 Okay, that is annoying.  How much space does the apex have?

 Amanda

 On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" 
<oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:

 yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever 
your saving
 your recordings to.

 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
 Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex




 Hi everyone,
 How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for
 meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Fri Nov 21 13:12:47 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 13:12:47 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] games
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-----Original Message-----
From: Ringlein, Ellen 
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2014 5:22 PM
To: nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] games

Fellow Federationists,

Here is a list of the Braille card games available for purchase from the NFB Independence Market.

BRAILLE PHASE 10 CARDS: 
For two to eight players, ages eight and up. Includes print and Braille directions.

Braille PLAYING CARDS (plastic)

BRAILLE SKIP-BO CARDS: 
For two to six players, ages seven and up. Includes print and Braille directions.

BRAILLE UNO(r) CARDS

You may purchase these online at
https://ecommerce.nfb.org/asp/prodtype.asp?prodtype=43&ph=&keywords=&recor=&SearchFor=&PT_ID=

or over the phone.

For more information please contact the NFB Independence Market via email at independencemarket at nfb.org or via phone at (410) 659-9314, extension 2216 . 

Cordially,

Ellen Ringlein
Manager, Independence Market
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
Baltimore, MD 21230
Phone: (410) 659-9314, Extension 2421
Fax: (410) 685-2340
Email: HYPERLINK "mailto:ERinglein at nfb.org"ERinglein at nfb.org

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit HYPERLINK "http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture" www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture.



From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 13:15:42 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:15:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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Correct—the Apex records in WAV format. You may be thinking of the Victor Reader Stream, which now records in MP3.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 7:51 AM, Shawn Abraham via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> This is not true, I believe that the Apex records only as wav.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Kirt <kirt.crazydude at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 20 Nov 2014 22:33:13 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> Hi Kurt, yes the default format is MP3.
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
> 
> 
> 
> On Oct 21, 2014, at 11:06 AM, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Amanda,
> Congratulations on graduating your technology i up to this decade.  :-) I found the apex microphone to be much more sensitive at recording them that on the pac mate, also someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can record directly and MP3 which will save a lot of space.  I still prefer Recording things on the Victor Stream, even compared to an iPhone, because of the really easy bookmark/highlight bookmark options.  If you're going to be doing serious recording, I probably suggest you go that route if it's viable for you.
> Best,
> Kirt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> If your apex is empty, you should have several hundred hours of recording
> time.
> 
> Loren
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
> To: Doug Oliver
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> Okay, that is annoying.  How much space does the apex have?
> 
> Amanda
> 
> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving
> your recordings to.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:17:44 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:17:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] web based stat programs
Message-ID: <002d01d005a6$aea344f0$0be9ced0$@gmail.com>

Are there any accessibile web ased stat programs.  I use JAWS 15.  

Thanks,

Justin.


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:26:54 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:26:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribe:
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS40BA70733C1FE7CF5911D8DC770@phx.gbl>

Please add me to your email lists.
Thank you.



From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Nov 21 16:29:19 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:29:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribe:
In-Reply-To: <BLU402-EAS40BA70733C1FE7CF5911D8DC770@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU402-EAS40BA70733C1FE7CF5911D8DC770@phx.gbl>
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Hello. You have to fill out the request form at www.nfbnet.org <http://www.nfbnet.org/>

God bless. :)
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work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Nov 21 16:37:31 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 11:37:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] subscribe:
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Looks to me as though you are already subscribed. The message came through to the list.

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> On Nov 21, 2014, at 11:26 AM, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Nov 22 00:45:05 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 19:45:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nemeth Code Question
Message-ID: <8D1D404B15C61B9-B064-65B8E@webmail-va016.sysops.aol.com>

Hi NABS,
Asking this on behalf of a friend of mine who is probably not 
subscribed on to this listserve at the moment. He asked me and I 
couldn't give him an answer.
In Nemeth code, what does 4, 3, 4, 6 mean?
Is the dot 4 in front of the plus sign make any difference?
Also, is there any Nemeth reference available in hard copy or as an 
electronic file?
Thank you in advance.
Best,
Miso Kwak




From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 02:11:26 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 18:11:26 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Nemeth Code Question
In-Reply-To: <8D1D404B15C61B9-B064-65B8E@webmail-va016.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1D404B15C61B9-B064-65B8E@webmail-va016.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <8B6CF2DD-7965-4191-888D-2312985C6001@gmail.com>

 Hi Miso,
 I believe there to be a reference book for Nemith code for sale at the national Federation of the blind Independence market.
https://nfb.org//independence-market 

Hope this helps,
Darian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi NABS,
> Asking this on behalf of a friend of mine who is probably not subscribed on to this listserve at the moment. He asked me and I couldn't give him an answer.
> In Nemeth code, what does 4, 3, 4, 6 mean?
> Is the dot 4 in front of the plus sign make any difference?
> Also, is there any Nemeth reference available in hard copy or as an electronic file?
> Thank you in advance.
> Best,
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sat Nov 22 02:22:57 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:22:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <B30C32AF-ADF4-422F-8419-ACF20F0A8A23@fuse.net>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>
	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>
	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>
	<AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>
	<B30C32AF-ADF4-422F-8419-ACF20F0A8A23@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <4370312F-EAF7-43F8-8C4B-39B5245D12C7@aol.com>

Hi everyone,
I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair. The quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you respectfully.
I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist with rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you talk to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out of state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the programs so long? 
I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set. 

Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if anyone went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kayla,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good experiences,, after all its an NFB list.
>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's information. Give them a call and do your research.
>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any nonprofit centers too.
>> 
>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although I'm not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision and blind high school students was fun.
>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to go off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a certain time for quiet hours.
>> 
>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers. Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
> 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Nov 22 16:06:46 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 10:06:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problems Delivering Mail
Message-ID: <auto-000007167665@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Dear List User:

It would appear that we are having problems delivering mail to 
certain domains, namely those run by Microsoft.  They include 
hotmail.com, msn.com, outlook.com, and live.com.  If you are using an 
address from one of those domains, and you are getting your mail from 
this list, please let me know at dandrews at visi.com

Obviously if you aren't getting your mail, you can't let me know -- 
but if you have friends with those addresses -- that use our lists, 
please talk to them.

I believe, but don't know for sure that Microsoft has black listed nfbnet.org

If you have one of these addresses, or know somebody that does, 
please contact your ISP and ask them to un blacklist nfbnet.org

Thanks.

David Andrews, List Owner



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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Nov 22 17:15:05 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 12:15:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Nemeth Code Question
In-Reply-To: <8B6CF2DD-7965-4191-888D-2312985C6001@gmail.com>
References: <8D1D404B15C61B9-B064-65B8E@webmail-va016.sysops.aol.com>
	<8B6CF2DD-7965-4191-888D-2312985C6001@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF4BB877-E549-491D-8E80-1960F47BAAD5@icloud.com>

There is a tutorial on the Apex if he has one.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 21, 2014, at 9:11 PM, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Miso,
> I believe there to be a reference book for Nemith code for sale at the national Federation of the blind Independence market.
> https://nfb.org//independence-market 
> 
> Hope this helps,
> Darian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 21, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi NABS,
>> Asking this on behalf of a friend of mine who is probably not subscribed on to this listserve at the moment. He asked me and I couldn't give him an answer.
>> In Nemeth code, what does 4, 3, 4, 6 mean?
>> Is the dot 4 in front of the plus sign make any difference?
>> Also, is there any Nemeth reference available in hard copy or as an electronic file?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Best,
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kfjelsted at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 17:31:32 2014
From: kfjelsted at gmail.com (Kevin Fjelsted)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 11:31:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [Nfbnet-students-list] November Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <0CFDE8EC-F34B-4BCF-980D-A351B922230C@gmail.com>
References: <0CFDE8EC-F34B-4BCF-980D-A351B922230C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <366BA06A-20CE-49D5-A31D-065118BBB086@gmail.com>

What time is the call on the 30th?
-Kevin

On Nov 19, 2014, at 3:18 PM, Candice Chapman via Nfbnet-students-list <nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hey there NABS, 
> 
> We hope that the wind down towards the end of the semester hasn't turned into a free fall quite yet and that you are enjoying the holiday season! With the month over halfway gone the membership committee is preparing another call for you. This month we are looking into the membership survey that many of you participated in a few month's ago. On our last call, quite a bit of intetest was expressed in what content responders of the survey wanted to see on future membership calls. Therefore, this month we'll be releasing those responses and discussing them on our call. 
> 
> The responses from the survey will be released next week to give you all a chance to peruse them before our November call. In the mean time, let's talk about your idea of an awesome, interesting, informative membership call. Maybe you didn't get a chance to respond to the survey, or perhaps you've had further ideas since then, either way, shout them out! 
> 
> Here are more details about the call. 
> 
> When: November 30th, 2014
> Where: NABS Conference line-(605) 475-6700 code-7869673
> What: November Membership Call
> 
> Looking forward to hearing from you all! 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Candice
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From anjelinac at att.net  Sat Nov 22 19:11:29 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:11:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <4370312F-EAF7-43F8-8C4B-39B5245D12C7@aol.com>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>	<AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>	<B30C32AF-ADF4-422F-8419-ACF20F0A8A23@fuse.net>
	<4370312F-EAF7-43F8-8C4B-39B5245D12C7@aol.com>
Message-ID: <076401d00688$1f64e810$5e2eb830$@att.net>

Hi Bridget,
I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of time to
receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar centers programs
allows a person to fully become comfortable with the skills and philosophy
taught.
Just my thoughts :)

Anjelina
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Hi everyone,
I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair. The
quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In
fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you
respectfully.
I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist with
rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you talk
to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out of
state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the programs
so long? 
I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set. 

Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if anyone
went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kayla,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good experiences,,
after all its an NFB list.
>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
information. Give them a call and do your research.
>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
nonprofit centers too.
>> 
>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although I'm
not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no
fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called
youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision and
blind high school students was fun.
>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to go
off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and
M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice
outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus
via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a certain
time for quiet hours.
>> 
>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and
you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
> 
> _______________________________________________
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nabs-l:
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om

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 19:13:48 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:13:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <076401d00688$1f64e810$5e2eb830$@att.net>
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Do it Do it Do it.  I wish I could have. I'd go to Denver, and never come
back to South Carolina.  Maybe once  every 3 years.
LOL

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Hi Bridget,
I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of time to
receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar centers programs
allows a person to fully become comfortable with the skills and philosophy
taught.
Just my thoughts :)

Anjelina
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Hi everyone,
I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair. The
quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In
fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you
respectfully.
I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist with
rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you talk
to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out of
state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the programs
so long? 
I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set. 

Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if 
> anyone
went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kayla,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good 
>> experiences,,
after all its an NFB list.
>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
information. Give them a call and do your research.
>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
nonprofit centers too.
>> 
>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although 
>> I'm
not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no
fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called
youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision 
>> and
blind high school students was fun.
>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to 
>> go
off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and
M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice
outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus
via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a 
>> certain
time for quiet hours.
>> 
>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and
you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 19:14:30 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:14:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] rehab centers
In-Reply-To: <076401d00688$1f64e810$5e2eb830$@att.net>
References: <6D715B07-9CF9-47F4-8EFA-B7DA7D913B93@gmail.com>	<61860F4558A44E3093055B58A91580FC@ownerf49ceb395>	<CAA+vbPsRfdtvZnQuzqL2MedM5X_umB_o=MX-ieV1LFwoRLs2fw@mail.gmail.com>	<CAP4F+WUza8Og-Mh+yCStwPYtVH8g_wTdKMqnNrHG-wvQ7Tpy9w@mail.gmail.com>	<AE2BF5E46D424F858AC2C0197E50B1B8@OwnerPC>	<B30C32AF-ADF4-422F-8419-ACF20F0A8A23@fuse.net>	<4370312F-EAF7-43F8-8C4B-39B5245D12C7@aol.com>
	<076401d00688$1f64e810$5e2eb830$@att.net>
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While it is not for everyone, if you decide to go, I have no doubt that it
will be a wonderful experience. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina via
nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, November 22, 2014 2:11 PM
To: 'Bridget Walker'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Hi Bridget,
I truly believe 6 to 9 months out of one's life is a small amount of time to
receive quality training. The length of the NFB and similar centers programs
allows a person to fully become comfortable with the skills and philosophy
taught.
Just my thoughts :)

Anjelina
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Bridget Walker
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, November 21, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Lillie Pennington; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers

Hi everyone,
I went to the Carroll Center when I was 15 and at the time it was fair. The
quality of my training was great but, every other aspect was horrible. In
fact I would not recommend it for adults. They will not treat you
respectfully.
I to live in New York, I know there are centers in New York to assist with
rehabilitation but, they are day programs or outreach support. If you talk
to CBVH make it clear you want a residential experience which means out of
state. The question is are you up for such a transition?
I have a question regarding  the duration of programs.  Why are the programs
so long? 
I attended training for two five week programs and I was all set. 

Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 15, 26 Heisei, at 1:29 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You could also talk to people in your nfb state aphiliate to see if 
> anyone
went to a training center and if they would recomend it.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Nov 12, 2014, at 5:05 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kayla,
>> 
>> I cannot speak for Illinois.
>> Most here went to nfb centers and those who talk had good 
>> experiences,,
after all its an NFB list.
>> I'd recommend asking your rehab counselor for your state center's
information. Give them a call and do your research.
>> Googling should also tell you which state centers you have and any
nonprofit centers too.
>> 
>> Someone said carroll center in Newton MA is paternalistic. Although 
>> I'm
not a believer in all training strategies of NFB centers, I'm certainly no
fan of carroll center's rules either. I was there for a youth program called
youth in transition. It was my summer before being a senior in high school.
>> I had fun on the activities I picked and being with other low vision 
>> and
blind high school students was fun.
>> But, yes, there's too much restrictions. You had to get permission to 
>> go
off campus and despite having safe cane skills and complements from my O and
M instructor, they did not allow me off campus. We agreed I needed practice
outdoor travel like street crossings, but I could have been safe on campus
via taking a cab and not having to cross major streets.
>> Another thing I did not like was having to be in your room at a 
>> certain
time for quiet hours.
>> 
>> If you need or want an out of state center, check out the nfb centers.
Also, check out Hatlen center in CA. its all independent living based and
you even can go to work part time after you master some of your skills.
>> Their website is www.hcblind.org.
>> 
>> Good luck with your decision.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Kayla James via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2014 12:21 PM
>> To: Jorge Paez ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] rehab centers
>> 
>> Can anyone recommend any centers in Illinois that are good?
> 
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From grassflower111 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 23:09:43 2014
From: grassflower111 at gmail.com (Cherry)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:09:43 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] hello everyone
Message-ID: <20141122230943.grassflower111@gmail.com>

Hello everyone! 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 22 23:46:27 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 15:46:27 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] web based stat programs
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References: <002d01d005a6$aea344f0$0be9ced0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJD-YWo1KK7MC4eZ=krN5D_N=E4F3CfULZquaiSR3zjCuw@mail.gmail.com>

www.graphpad.com/quickcalcs/

On 11/21/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Are there any accessibile web ased stat programs.  I use JAWS 15.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Justin.
>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 00:01:23 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:01:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hello everyone
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Message-ID: <2D9A5FA5-D889-47B8-BF2D-04D5AD7B7762@gmail.com>

Hello Cherry,

Welcome to the list! I hope you enjoy the discussion here and find it helpful. I'm Chris, a high school student who is active in my state affiliate and student division here in Maryland. Looking forward to meeting you in the near future!

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 22, 2014, at 6:09 PM, Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone! 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 00:21:56 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2014 19:21:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My Thanksgiving Traditions
Message-ID: <547128cc.86b2320a.66d5.40c9@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Since it's the Saturday before Thanksgiving, I decided to make a 
post about Thanksgiving traditions.  This year my family and I 
will gather at my sister's home for Thanksgiving lunch together.  
Since we moved to Florida Thanksgenanding and Christmas have been 
held at my parents house.  Last year our relatives from Canada 
were here to celebrate Thanksgiving with us.  I remember when we 
had our first Thanksgiving thr in Boston.  I was sitting next to 
the turkey in my carseat and the turkey was bigger dan me.  I'd 
like to hear about your Thanksgiving traditions.  Hope to hear 
from you soon.


From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 13:49:57 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 06:49:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Replying messages
Message-ID: <F01FACD6-13D3-4839-82BA-053B53307512@gmail.com>

Hello everyone I have a question when do you want to reply one of the messages in here do you have to go to reply or to reply all? Thanks!
Sorry for my english :)

Sent from my iPhone

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 14:00:11 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:00:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Replying messages
In-Reply-To: <F01FACD6-13D3-4839-82BA-053B53307512@gmail.com>
References: <F01FACD6-13D3-4839-82BA-053B53307512@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <733F5407-DE01-4D1D-A87C-18223200760D@gmail.com>

If you want to reply to a list message, reply should work.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 23, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone I have a question when do you want to reply one of the messages in here do you have to go to reply or to reply all? Thanks!
> Sorry for my english :)
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 19:51:19 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:51:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for Housing in the DC Area
Message-ID: <00db01d00756$ddc8f160$995ad420$@gmail.com>

Hi all, 

 

I've been accepted to the National Association of State Departments of
Agriculture 2015 summer internship in Arlington, VA; and need to relocate.
I'd greatly appreciate advice concerning safe but inexpensive areas to rent,
lease, or sublet apartments in the area. My preference would be to sublet an
apartment from the second week of May to the third week in August. I have no
objections to roommates. 

 

 

Looking forward to your responses.

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Nov 23 20:53:14 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:53:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for Housing in the DC Area
In-Reply-To: <00db01d00756$ddc8f160$995ad420$@gmail.com>
References: <00db01d00756$ddc8f160$995ad420$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <527A6DC9-C91F-4011-93BC-C708DA39BF27@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Congrats. I worked at DoD in Arlington last summer and just used craigslist. It was very successful. I had to pay about 1000 a month plus bills. I had 5 roommates. There may be cheaper options but considering the circumstances, it was a good experience. 

I'd also recommend you consider your commute each morning and pick the place that has the easiest commute on the DC metro. 

Also, it's very hot so pic somewhere without a bunch of walking. I'll be in DC next summer around that time as well so if you find somewhere and need roommates, let me know. 



Best wishes 
Derek Manners
9032716494

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 23, 2014, at 2:51 PM, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> 
> 
> 
> I've been accepted to the National Association of State Departments of
> Agriculture 2015 summer internship in Arlington, VA; and need to relocate.
> I'd greatly appreciate advice concerning safe but inexpensive areas to rent,
> lease, or sublet apartments in the area. My preference would be to sublet an
> apartment from the second week of May to the third week in August. I have no
> objections to roommates. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Looking forward to your responses.
> 
> 
> 
> Zac
> 
> 
> 
> Zachary Mason
> 
> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
> 
> Northwinds Farm
> 
> (603) 922-8377 Work
> 
> (603) 991-6747 Cell
> 
> <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 806 U.S. Route 3
> 
> North Stratford, NH 03590
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 20:55:57 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 14:55:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
Message-ID: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>

Hi all
Can anyone tell me how to become a Braille transcriber or Braille proof reader working from home?
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 21:13:08 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:13:08 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
In-Reply-To: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>
References: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WXY=F746rLvXwXR86=oKHWtxFcQjkdUw0O3z1KYTpVGxg@mail.gmail.com>

NFB has a transcriber course that you have to take before
proofreading. It's all free. All you need is a Brailler, slate and
stylus, or a 6-key Braille computer software, and Braille paper for
the previous options.

On 11/23/14, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all
> Can anyone tell me how to become a Braille transcriber or Braille proof
> reader working from home?
> Thanks
>
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Nov 23 21:47:08 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:47:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
In-Reply-To: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>
References: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001601d00767$07b5b840$172128c0$@mediacombb.net>

Nls has a course to get you cdertified as well.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:56 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home

Hi all
Can anyone tell me how to become a Braille transcriber or Braille proof
reader working from home?
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 21:57:06 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 13:57:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
In-Reply-To: <001601d00767$07b5b840$172128c0$@mediacombb.net>
References: <3C5EA4E1-46AF-4937-B1C3-3CE86C7E64B8@gmail.com>
	<001601d00767$07b5b840$172128c0$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <CAP4F+WXj+n=_Fa45xsYe1CJatdfW+FFWq+RA+rOz2Ed0dzs68g@mail.gmail.com>

NLS are the ones that partnered with NFB, so it is one in the same.

On 11/23/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Nls has a course to get you cdertified as well.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Gloria Graves
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 2:56 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
>
> Hi all
> Can anyone tell me how to become a Braille transcriber or Braille proof
> reader working from home?
> Thanks
>
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From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 22:14:10 2014
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 17:14:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
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Would I have to travel for any of these programs?

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Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:47 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Working from home

Nls has a course to get you cdertified as well.

Loren



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Hi all
Can anyone tell me how to become a Braille transcriber or Braille proof
reader working from home?
Thanks

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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 23 23:03:31 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sun, 23 Nov 2014 15:03:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Working from home
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No.

On 11/23/14, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Would I have to travel for any of these programs?
>
> -----Original Message-----
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> Sent: Sunday, November 23, 2014 4:47 PM
> To: 'Gloria Graves' ; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
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>
> Nls has a course to get you cdertified as well.
>
> Loren
>
>
>
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> via nabs-l
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> reader working from home?
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Nov 24 21:34:31 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 16:34:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] robobraille
Message-ID: <008601d0082e$6f2ef2d0$4d8cd870$@gmail.com>

I got robobraille to work twice;  the only diference between then and how is
that I am on a wireless network at work.  Everything else, even the laptop
is the same.  I am trying to convert a powerpoint file to something
readable; the powerpoint has lots of pictures in it.  What is going on?

Thanks

Justin

 


From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 02:55:58 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:55:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a Running head with JFW
Message-ID: <CAGpn82QMJPOgyHWy7nnP+EDpN2HPUHcXAbkU9bR8Mz2zu+ryYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I was just wondering how to creat a running head APA style using JAWS.
Thanks, Kayla


From ncabsofnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 03:12:14 2014
From: ncabsofnfb at gmail.com (NCABS of NFB)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:12:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] help the North Carolina Associeation of Blind Students
 with our Scentsy Fundraiser
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Hello NABS members the NCABS is asking you for your help. Please
support us as we are starting our first fundraiser! In this email you
will find the information of how to help us. Thanks in  advance!
Veronica Puente
NCABS Secretary
NCABS has partnered with Lea Williams, who is a Scentsy consultant, to
organize a fundraiser involving the sale of Scentsy products. Scentsy
is a company
that offers many types of flame-free scented and warming products,
many of which serve purposes similar to candles. However, because
these products are
flame-free, they are much safer than traditional candles. If you would
like to participate in this fundraiser, please follow the below
instructions:

Online Ordering Instructions:

list of 4 items
1. Click the below link:
Scentsy Fundraiser
2. Select the items you would like to purchase and add them to your cart.
3. Once you have selected the items you would like to purchase, click
the "check out" link. It will take you to a page that will ask you if
you want to
add your order to a party. Check the box corresponding to the North
Carolina Association of Blind Students Scentsy Party.
4. Click the "Next" link to proceed with your order.
list end

Other Ways to Order

If you would prefer to purchase Scentsy products over the phone or by
email, you may contact Lea Williams, who will be glad to help you find
the Scentsy
products that are right for you. Her contact information is:

list of 2 items
• phone: (704) 732-4470 (call or text)
• email: leanicole1988 at gmail.com


From bana-announce at brailleauthority.org  Tue Nov 25 03:58:12 2014
From: bana-announce at brailleauthority.org (Mary Nelle McLennan via BANA-Announce)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:58:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [BANA-Announce] Implementation of Unified English Braille
	(UEB)
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[]

Implementation of Unified English Braille (UEB)
The following statement was approved by the BANA Board on November 9, 2014.

On November 2, 2012, the United States members of 
the Braille Authority of North America (BANA) 
voted to adopt Unified English Braille (UEB) to 
replace English Braille American Edition in the 
U.S. Based on extensive dialog and planning that 
involved more than 30 organizations as well as 
individual consumers, teachers, and transcribers, 
BANA established January 4, 2016, as the date by 
which the United States will implement UEB.
BANA is working toward implementation of UEB in four phases:
2013: Information year­BANA developed and 
disseminated information about UEB and gathered input from constituents.
2014: Infrastructure year­BANA and other 
organizations planned for procurement and 
production of braille materials in UEB and developed training materials.
2015: Instructional year­Readers, producers, and 
educators will become proficient in UEB.
2016: Implementation year­All new transcriptions 
will be produced in UEB; educators will teach the 
code. Devices and software will fully and accurately incorporate UEB.
As of the implementation date in 2016, UEB, 
Nemeth, Music, and the International Phonetic 
Alphabet (IPA) will be the official codes for use 
in the United States. BANA is providing guidance 
on how to incorporate the Nemeth Code into UEB 
context with the intent that the Nemeth Code will 
continue to be integral to braille in the United 
States. The document Provisional Guidance for 
Transcription Using the Nemeth Code within UEB 
Contexts is available as PDF and BRF files on the 
BANA website at 
<http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb.html>www.brailleauthority.org/ueb.html.
BANA recognizes that in order to make an 
effective transition to UEB, states and 
organizations will need to develop customized 
implementation plans. To maximize efficiency and 
impact, BANA encourages widespread collaboration 
and sharing of expertise, resources, and training.
BANA continues to post and update information and 
materials about UEB at 
<http://www.brailleauthority.org>www.brailleauthority.org.
This document, Implementation of Unified English 
Braille (UEB), is posted on the BANA website at 
<http://www.brailleauthority.org/ueb.html>www.brailleauthority.org/ueb.html.

The Board of BANA consists of appointed 
representatives from seventeen member 
organizations of braille producers, transcribers, teachers, and consumers.
The mission of the Braille Authority of North 
America is to assure literacy for tactile readers 
through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics.

The purpose of BANA is to promote and to 
facilitate the uses, teaching, and production of 
braille. Pursuant to this purpose, BANA will 
promulgate rules, make interpretations, and 
render opinions pertaining to braille codes and 
guidelines for the provisions of literary and 
technical materials and related forms and formats 
of embossed materials now in existence or to be 
developed in the future for the use of blind 
persons in North America. When appropriate, BANA 
shall accomplish these activities in 
international collaboration with countries using 
English braille. In exercising its function and 
authority, BANA shall consider the effects of its 
decisions on other existing braille codes and 
guidelines, forms and formats; ease of production 
by various methods; and acceptability to readers.















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From grassflower111 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 04:01:57 2014
From: grassflower111 at gmail.com (Cherry)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
Message-ID: <20141125040157.grassflower111@gmail.com>

 Dear members, 
 I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you here having the same problem? 
 Thanks.        


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 05:29:03 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 21:29:03 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a Running head with JFW
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82QMJPOgyHWy7nnP+EDpN2HPUHcXAbkU9bR8Mz2zu+ryYQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82QMJPOgyHWy7nnP+EDpN2HPUHcXAbkU9bR8Mz2zu+ryYQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBTcQPuLqOPQt__aEtbzCRKXWz9yuQePekKMS0wg5N5Ag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kayla,
Press Alt-V, H to get to the header and footer pane. You can then type
your running head into the header box. I am not sure how to get it to
automatically appear on every page, but you can manually insert it on
every page by arrowing down to get from one page's header and the next
and keep typing it in.
Best, Arielle

On 11/24/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I was just wondering how to creat a running head APA style using
> JAWS.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 13:46:33 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:46:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
Message-ID: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>

Hi Cherry,

Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the 
update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what 
it says on their page about what's new with the new website.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare

 Dear members,
 I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access 
Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you 
here having the same problem?
 Thanks.

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 13:51:08 2014
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 08:51:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a Running head with JFW
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBTcQPuLqOPQt__aEtbzCRKXWz9yuQePekKMS0wg5N5Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82QMJPOgyHWy7nnP+EDpN2HPUHcXAbkU9bR8Mz2zu+ryYQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJBTcQPuLqOPQt__aEtbzCRKXWz9yuQePekKMS0wg5N5Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s6FSU2fWtnXXMeuKzb86FFi_++ps4DbMfKJjrpt=rSi+w@mail.gmail.com>

Arielle is correct by telling you alt+v then h which gets you to the
heading/footer panes.  In terms of the running head I am unsure if
there is another way, but the only way I know is by going to insert
then tabbing until you reach "Page Numbering".  Once you get to Page
Numbering then hit enter and another dialog box for a lack of a better
term will pop up asking you where on the page you want the numbers.
Select "top of page" then arrow down until you get option 3.  This
will put you in a heading pane for where the page number has been
inserted.

Once you have gotten that far place your curcer directly infront of
the page number and type in all caps an abbreviated version of the
title of your paper.  Once you have entered in all the text you wish
to have hit tab twice and it will be at the top of your pages.

To create the coverpage once you have done all the above, you have to
just hit alt and then on the "design" menu find the box for "different
first page" this will give you a blank heading to enter the text for
your coverpage.  Again I am unsure if there is an easier method, but
this is how I learned it by following the instructions from the
following webpage:

http://academicanswers.waldenu.edu/a.php?qid=597217

Hope this helps and good luck,

Justin


On 11/25/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla,
> Press Alt-V, H to get to the header and footer pane. You can then type
> your running head into the header box. I am not sure how to get it to
> automatically appear on every page, but you can manually insert it on
> every page by arrowing down to get from one page's header and the next
> and keep typing it in.
> Best, Arielle
>
> On 11/24/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all, I was just wondering how to creat a running head APA style using
>> JAWS.
>> Thanks, Kayla
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 14:13:58 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:13:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>

Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)

I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
so I really don't mind taking the extra time.

What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
doesn't make sense to me.

On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Cherry,
>
> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>
>  Dear members,
>  I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
> here having the same problem?
>  Thanks.
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:13:35 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 09:13:35 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vNsW4pVYL7XvLod9J3WVfVkpAzN0wzpw+bROx-A-zHQQ@mail.gmail.com>

In spite of the difficulty you may have getting the bookshare books to
your braille-sense, the new site is awesome.  The search features are
very nice, and work much better than they did before the new site came
out.

On 11/25/14, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
>
> I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
>
> What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> doesn't make sense to me.
>
> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Cherry,
>>
>> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
>> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
>> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>>
>>  Dear members,
>>  I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
>> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
>> here having the same problem?
>>  Thanks.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:19:27 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:19:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>

Interesting. One would think that, given that the BrailleSense runs more reliable and up-to-date software, it would be easier for Bookshare to fix the bugs associated with this notetaker. I could see the reasoning behind Bookshare's making the BrailleNote bugs a priority—that is, that K-12 students, who are among the most dedicated users of Bookshare, overwhelmingly use the BrailleNote 
more than other notetakers. When customers started noticing that Bookshare wasn't working with the BrailleNote, Bookshare probably received a lot of feedback from students and TVI's who said they could only access the Web site on their BrailleNote and need that access for their classwork. BrailleSense users might also have more access to a computer with which they can download the book, so they might not have heard as many bug reports from these users. I don't think there's any money involved, but we can't be certain.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
> 
> I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
> 
> What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> doesn't make sense to me.
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Cherry,
>> 
>> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
>> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
>> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>> 
>> Dear members,
>> I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
>> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
>> here having the same problem?
>> Thanks.
>> 
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:24:38 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:24:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1416929078.74367.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I highly recommend Bookshare's Read to Go app. It's really easy: you can download books directly to your phone and it will hold about 8 large books at a time. It's also very accessible especially with Voiceover. 


On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
  


Interesting. One would think that, given that the BrailleSense runs more reliable and up-to-date software, it would be easier for Bookshare to fix the bugs associated with this notetaker. I could see the reasoning behind Bookshare's making the BrailleNote bugs a priority—that is, that K-12 students, who are among the most dedicated users of Bookshare, overwhelmingly use the BrailleNote 
more than other notetakers. When customers started noticing that Bookshare wasn't working with the BrailleNote, Bookshare probably received a lot of feedback from students and TVI's who said they could only access the Web site on their BrailleNote and need that access for their classwork. BrailleSense users might also have more access to a computer with which they can download the book, so they might not have heard as many bug reports from these users. I don't think there's any money involved, but we can't be certain.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
> 
> I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
> 
> What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> doesn't make sense to me.
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Cherry,
>> 
>> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
>> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
>> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>> 
>> Dear members,
>> I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
>> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
>> here having the same problem?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Tue Nov 25 15:24:38 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 07:24:38 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1416929078.74367.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

I highly recommend Bookshare's Read to Go app. It's really easy: you can download books directly to your phone and it will hold about 8 large books at a time. It's also very accessible especially with Voiceover. 


On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
  


Interesting. One would think that, given that the BrailleSense runs more reliable and up-to-date software, it would be easier for Bookshare to fix the bugs associated with this notetaker. I could see the reasoning behind Bookshare's making the BrailleNote bugs a priority—that is, that K-12 students, who are among the most dedicated users of Bookshare, overwhelmingly use the BrailleNote 
more than other notetakers. When customers started noticing that Bookshare wasn't working with the BrailleNote, Bookshare probably received a lot of feedback from students and TVI's who said they could only access the Web site on their BrailleNote and need that access for their classwork. BrailleSense users might also have more access to a computer with which they can download the book, so they might not have heard as many bug reports from these users. I don't think there's any money involved, but we can't be certain.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
> 
> I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
> 
> What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> doesn't make sense to me.
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Cherry,
>> 
>> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
>> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
>> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>> 
>> Dear members,
>> I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
>> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
>> here having the same problem?
>> Thanks.
>> 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 15:46:31 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 10:46:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
Message-ID: <5474a495.4181320a.10f5.ffff8ba5@mx.google.com>

The=20new=20site=20worked=20with=20the=20BrailleNote=20from=20day=20one.=20=
=20Someone=20
working=20at=20Bookshare=20erroneously=20sent=20out=20an=20e-mail=20a=20few=
=20days=20
before=20the=20new=20site=20came=20on=20line=20saying=20that=20it=20wouldn'=
t=20work=20
with=20the=20BrailleNote,=20but=20Humanware=20sent=20out=20an=20e-mail=20ri=
ght=20
after=20that=20saying=20Bookshare=20was=20wrong=20and=20that=20you=20just=20=
have=20to=20
turn=20scripting=20off=20in=20the=20BrailleNote=20web=20browser=20to=20make=
=20
Bookshare=20work.=20=20My=20guess=20is=20that=20the=20BrailleSense=20doesn'=
t=20have=20
the=20ability=20to=20disable=20scripting=20and=20that's=20the=20problem.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Chris=20Nusbaum=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20Kaiti=20Shelton=20<crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National=20
Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Tue,=2025=20Nov=202014=2010:19:27=20-0500
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Bookshare

Interesting.=20One=20would=20think=20that,=20given=20that=20the=20BrailleSe=
nse=20
runs=20more=20reliable=20and=20up-to-date=20software,=20it=20would=20be=20e=
asier=20
for=20Bookshare=20to=20fix=20the=20bugs=20associated=20with=20this=20noteta=
ker.=20I=20
could=20see=20the=20reasoning=20behind=20Bookshare's=20making=20the=20Brail=
leNote=20
bugs=20a=20priority=E2=80=94that=20is,=20that=20K-12=20students,=20who=20ar=
e=20among=20the=20
most=20dedicated=20users=20of=20Bookshare,=20overwhelmingly=20use=20the=20
BrailleNote
more=20than=20other=20notetakers.=20When=20customers=20started=20noticing=20=
that=20
Bookshare=20wasn't=20working=20with=20the=20BrailleNote,=20Bookshare=20prob=
ably=20
received=20a=20lot=20of=20feedback=20from=20students=20and=20TVI's=20who=20=
said=20they=20
could=20only=20access=20the=20Web=20site=20on=20their=20BrailleNote=20and=20=
need=20that=20
access=20for=20their=20classwork.=20BrailleSense=20users=20might=20also=20h=
ave=20
more=20access=20to=20a=20computer=20with=20which=20they=20can=20download=20=
the=20book,=20
so=20they=20might=20not=20have=20heard=20as=20many=20bug=20reports=20from=20=
these=20
users.=20I=20don't=20think=20there's=20any=20money=20involved,=20but=20we=20=
can't=20be=20
certain.

Chris=20Nusbaum,=20Vice=20President
Maryland=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students
Coordinator=20of=20Social=20Media,=20National=20Federation=20of=20the=20Bli=
nd=20of=20
Maryland
Twitter:=20 at Chrisn98,=20 at MDMDABS=20and=20 at NFBMD

"Together,=20with=20love,=20hope=20and=20determination,=20we=20transform=20=
dreams=20
into=20reality."

=20On=20Nov=2025,=202014,=20at=209:13=20AM,=20Kaiti=20Shelton=20via=20nabs-=
l=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Oddly=20enough,=20it=20also=20wasn't=20compatible=20with=20the=20Braille=
Note=20
line=20of
=20notetakers,=20but=20they=20fixed=20that,=20unless=20the=20reason=20for=20=
it=20not=20
working
=20was=20different...=20call=20me=20a=20cynic,=20but=20it=20seems=20like=20=
we=20know=20
which
=20company=20is=20paying=20Bookshare=20more=20money.=20=20:)

=20I've=20been=20working=20around=20this=20by=20just=20downloading=20the=20=
books=20to=20
my=20SD
=20card=20from=20my=20laptop=20and=20putting=20the=20SD=20card=20back=20int=
o=20the
=20BrailleSense.=20=20It's=20slightly=20less=20convenient,=20but=20it=20isn=
't=20a=20
terrible
=20hassle;=20I=20have=20had=20Bookshare=20since=20before=20the=20BrailleSen=
se=20was=20
around,
=20so=20I=20really=20don't=20mind=20taking=20the=20extra=20time.

=20What=20I=20do=20mind=20is=20that=20the=20new=20site=20had=20problems=20w=
ith=20both=20major=20
lines
=20of=20notetakers,=20and=20Bookshare=20saw=20fit=20to=20only=20remedy=20th=
e=20problems=20
for
=20one=20line=20of=20product.=20=20I=20know=20that=20the=20BrailleSense=20l=
ine=20has=20
become
=20more=20popular=20in=20the=20past=20several=20years,=20so=20why=20they=20=
wouldn't=20
make=20the
=20site=20work=20for=20both=20so=20all=20can=20have=20notetaker=20access=20=
to=20downloads=20
just
=20doesn't=20make=20sense=20to=20me.

=20On=2011/25/14,=20Karl=20Martin=20Adam=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.or=
g>=20
wrote:
=20Hi=20Cherry,

=20Bookshare=20is=20no=20longer=20compatible=20with=20the=20BrailleSense=20=
as=20of=20
the
=20update=20to=20there=20website=20a=20few=20weeks=20ago,=20or=20at=20least=
=20that's=20what
=20it=20says=20on=20their=20page=20about=20what's=20new=20with=20the=20new=
=20website.

=20Best,
=20Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
=20From:=20Cherry=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2024=20Nov=202014=2022:01:57=20-0600
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Bookshare

=20Dear=20members,
=20I'm=20using=20the=20Braille=20Sense=20U2=20and=20recently=20I=20cannot=20=
access
=20Bookshare=20download=20on=20the=20Braille=20Sense=20anymore.=20Are=20any=
=20of=20you
=20here=20having=20the=20same=20problem?
=20Thanks.

=20_______________________________________________
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Tue Nov 25 17:21:02 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:21:02 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: The Bid for Equality Opens in Three Days!
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 17:38:49 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 12:38:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <1416929078.74367.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CB0E3561-F44E-4304-B029-FE6628B22CD6@gmail.com>
	<1416929078.74367.YahooMailNeo@web180902.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <0635B371-AD94-4513-A486-1C7512E709CF@gmail.com>

Yes. Read2Go is a great app and I use it often. Does anyone know how to read Bookshare books in Read2Go using a Braille display?

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 10:24 AM, kcj21 <kcj21 at bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> I highly recommend Bookshare's Read to Go app. It's really easy: you can download books directly to your phone and it will hold about 8 large books at a time. It's also very accessible especially with Voiceover.
> 
> 
> On Tuesday, November 25, 2014 10:20 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> Interesting. One would think that, given that the BrailleSense runs more reliable and up-to-date software, it would be easier for Bookshare to fix the bugs associated with this notetaker. I could see the reasoning behind Bookshare's making the BrailleNote bugs a priority—that is, that K-12 students, who are among the most dedicated users of Bookshare, overwhelmingly use the BrailleNote 
> more than other notetakers. When customers started noticing that Bookshare wasn't working with the BrailleNote, Bookshare probably received a lot of feedback from students and TVI's who said they could only access the Web site on their BrailleNote and need that access for their classwork. BrailleSense users might also have more access to a computer with which they can download the book, so they might not have heard as many bug reports from these users. I don't think there's any money involved, but we can't be certain.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
> 
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."
> 
> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > 
> > Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> > notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> > was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> > company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
> > 
> > I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> > card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> > BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> > hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> > so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
> > 
> > What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> > of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> > one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> > more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> > site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> > doesn't make sense to me.
> > 
> >> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi Cherry,
> >> 
> >> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
> >> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
> >> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
> >> 
> >> Best,
> >> Karl
> >> 
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
> >> 
> >> Dear members,
> >> I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
> >> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
> >> here having the same problem?
> >> Thanks.
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________
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> >> 
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> > 
> > -- 
> > Kaiti
> > 
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 20:46:53 2014
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:46:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents
References: <56558b5fa42e4786b6b835c6531b1ca9@BLUPR07MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi all,



I started working for Allstate about a month ago. All this time I have been 
in training, and everything has been accessible. However, today, I have run 
into some Citrix software that my computer refuses to read at all. It's 
called Citrix IE Browse remote. Have any of you ever experienced this 
software or work for Allstate and have work around suggestions.



Thanks,

Mark



From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Nov 25 21:18:47 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:18:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents
In-Reply-To: <B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <56558b5fa42e4786b6b835c6531b1ca9@BLUPR07MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP1729E372F4955279E84933CE730@phx.gbl>

Hi, I think a great list to send this to would be blind tech and they are on freelist.org they might be able to better assist you since it's computer related.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I started working for Allstate about a month ago. All this time I have been in training, and everything has been accessible. However, today, I have run into some Citrix software that my computer refuses to read at all. It's called Citrix IE Browse remote. Have any of you ever experienced this software or work for Allstate and have work around suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Nov 25 21:43:58 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:43:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5474886a.836f320a.7285.ffff8735@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FannM26jKNiLqH18=mLtnB21B3cPJmGrESN6uL-L_7R+g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A370A8DF-4C2F-488D-BC4D-1DBB4CCB85F6@icloud.com>

Maybe any braille sense  users should bombard Bookshare with emails. I would help, but use the braillenote.

Sent from my iPad

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Oddly enough, it also wasn't compatible with the BrailleNote line of
> notetakers, but they fixed that, unless the reason for it not working
> was different... call me a cynic, but it seems like we know which
> company is paying Bookshare more money.  :)
> 
> I've been working around this by just downloading the books to my SD
> card from my laptop and putting the SD card back into the
> BrailleSense.  It's slightly less convenient, but it isn't a terrible
> hassle; I have had Bookshare since before the BrailleSense was around,
> so I really don't mind taking the extra time.
> 
> What I do mind is that the new site had problems with both major lines
> of notetakers, and Bookshare saw fit to only remedy the problems for
> one line of product.  I know that the BrailleSense line has become
> more popular in the past several years, so why they wouldn't make the
> site work for both so all can have notetaker access to downloads just
> doesn't make sense to me.
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Cherry,
>> 
>> Bookshare is no longer compatible with the BrailleSense as of the
>> update to there website a few weeks ago, or at least that's what
>> it says on their page about what's new with the new website.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Cherry via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 24 Nov 2014 22:01:57 -0600
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare
>> 
>> Dear members,
>> I'm using the Braille Sense U2 and recently I cannot access
>> Bookshare download on the Braille Sense anymore. Are any of you
>> here having the same problem?
>> Thanks.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
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>> il.com
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 21:58:34 2014
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 13:58:34 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] I keep losing RAM content on my braille-note
Message-ID: <5474fba5.6489440a.08d5.6350@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am having some problems with my braille-note.  I keep losing 
more RAM content.  I tried to do a flash-disk format reset, and 
the amount of space goes up but tends to keep going down after 
about 2 hours.  I am having trouble opening up files and often 
get the "class does not exist" message.  Also, sometimes when I 
do a hard reset, it will say "installing English documents" and 
then "installation failed, please contact your distributor." 
Sometimes it seems to work just fine.  Do you know what the 
problem could be?
Thanks,
Petras


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 22:30:51 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:30:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
Message-ID: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>

Hey, 
How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have to hire a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
 

Shikha. 

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Nov 25 22:39:07 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 16:39:07 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents
In-Reply-To: <B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <56558b5fa42e4786b6b835c6531b1ca9@BLUPR07MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <auto-000007496357@mailfront1.g2host.com>

I am not familiar with that specific piece of software, but Citrix is 
often inaccessible, it communicates with the client machines using 
graphics, not text.

Dave

At 02:46 PM 11/25/2014, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I started working for Allstate about a month ago. All this time I 
>have been in training, and everything has been accessible. However, 
>today, I have run into some Citrix software that my computer refuses 
>to read at all. It's called Citrix IE Browse remote. Have any of you 
>ever experienced this software or work for Allstate and have work 
>around suggestions.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Nov 25 22:59:19 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 14:59:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>

I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled and your lab professor. 
Miso


Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey, 
> How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
> Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have to hire a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Nov 25 23:07:00 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 15:07:00 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>

You can have your lab partners help with most things. The only time
you might need your own reader is if it is an individual assignment
where you don't have partners.
Arielle

On 11/25/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled and your
> lab professor.
> Miso
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>> How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
>> Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have to hire
>> a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
>>
>>
>> Shikha.
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Nov 26 00:22:33 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 17:22:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avcEcqhCvvKW4mZucbT+tpA13bBkjTGpcsY86QF-f+mZow@mail.gmail.com>

I had DRC hire lab aids. I made sure they were people majoring in that
science. I was not going to let my grade possibly be affected by the lab
partner not knowing what they were doing or not caring. My lab aid was
strictly used as eyes.

On Tue, Nov 25, 2014 at 3:59 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled and
> your lab professor.
> Miso
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > Hey,
> > How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
> > Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have to
> hire a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
> >
> >
> > Shikha.
> > _______________________________________________
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 00:55:13 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 19:55:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents
In-Reply-To: <auto-000007496357@mailfront1.g2host.com>
References: <56558b5fa42e4786b6b835c6531b1ca9@BLUPR07MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>	<B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
	<auto-000007496357@mailfront1.g2host.com>
Message-ID: <000601d00913$a31e87a0$e95b96e0$@gmail.com>

I thought JAWS had a means of working with it. I remember someone several
years ago was using it at her job, but it's something I believe Freedom
Scientific helped her set up. I could be wrong, but it's worth giving them a
call.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 5:39 PM
To: Mark J. Cadigan; National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
Lewis, Anil; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents

I am not familiar with that specific piece of software, but Citrix is often
inaccessible, it communicates with the client machines using graphics, not
text.

Dave

At 02:46 PM 11/25/2014, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>
>
>I started working for Allstate about a month ago. All this time I have 
>been in training, and everything has been accessible. However, today, I 
>have run into some Citrix software that my computer refuses to read at 
>all. It's called Citrix IE Browse remote. Have any of you ever 
>experienced this software or work for Allstate and have work around 
>suggestions.
>
>
>
>Thanks,
>
>Mark
>
>
>_______________________________________________
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>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Nov 26 01:48:32 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:48:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Let's be thankful for this great list!
Message-ID: <0NFM00F4HID77U70@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

As the Thanksgiving holidays are quickly approaching (less than 
48 hours away now!) it's time for us to be thinking about what 
we're thankful for.  So now, let me share with everyone one thing 
that I'm thankful for (and  I'm sure a lot of you are as well.) 
So, I am thankful that I am a member of the NABS list!
 To me, this list is a great community where we can all talk 
about issues facing us as blind people, and plus, get to meet 
other blind people across the country; indeed, when I first 
joined this list, I was surprised by the number of people 
registered here.  I don't know exactly how many people are 
registered, but it was still a surprising number.  I think we 
should all be thankful that we are part of this list as well, and 
also that we are blind students.  I know, that's not really 
something people would imagine they could be thankful for, but I 
believe that this list has enabled us to realize this.  In my 
opinion, this list makes us more sure that we can be successful  
in life, and therefore, allow us to feel more confident as blind 
students.
I have been subscribed to this list for almost a year now, and am 
enjoying being' a part of this community.

We are  here to help one another.  We can talk about anything 
blindness-related, from help with technology to questions about 
transitioning (from high school to college or from college to a 
job.) We are all here for each other.  And, as I said, we get to 
meet other blind people from all across the nation.

So, let's all be thankful that we are part of this list and that 
we are blind students for the reasons I've stated above.  My 
greatest thanks on this list goes to all you guys, because we all 
give each other great advice on how to deal with our problems.  
My thanks also goes to David Andrews, because he is the list 
owner and programmer, so he is the one who made all this 
possible.  Without him, I don't think any of this could happen.

So let's be thankful, and happy Thanksgiving to all!

Sami.


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Nov 26 02:45:08 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 25 Nov 2014 21:45:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>

Ok 
Thanks!

Shikha. 

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can have your lab partners help with most things. The only time
> you might need your own reader is if it is an individual assignment
> where you don't have partners.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled and your
>> lab professor.
>> Miso
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
>>> Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have to hire
>>> a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shikha.
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From chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net  Wed Nov 26 05:15:22 2014
From: chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net (Chaim B. Segal)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 00:15:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction And a Question
Message-ID: <20141126051522.chaimsegal@sbcglobal.net>

Greetings!

my name is Chaim Segal, and I live in Kettering Ohio, part of the Greater Metropolitan Dayton, Ohio area. I am 46 years old, and, a little late in the game, have decided to settle on obtaining a bachelors in rehabilitation services. I attend school at Wright State University, and am employed part-time at Sinclair Community College.

I am in the process of writing a research paper, and have not had to use MS Word to the maximum for this purpose yet. Can somebody please tell me what the correct process is for inserting footnotes? A computer tech who set up my work computer gave me a list of shortcut keys, so I know that alt-control-F is used to insert a footnote, and alt-shift-I is used for a citation indication. I am a good way into my essay, but am fearing I have done something wrong. The only time I heard JAWS say the word "footnote", was the first time I pressed the alt-control-F conbo. I've noticed that even though I can type fine, it seems that the computer is a bit sluggish, suggesting that I am trying to put something into a field as oppose to straight writing. I need some experienced feedback on this.

While I'm at it, what are the exact keystrokes to insert page numbering on the top-right corner of a page? I've discovered how to insert a page number, but cannot figure out what to do beyond that. I think the ribbon system is a little goofy. 

Thanks:

Chaim 

Chaim B. Segal
Customer Service Representative
Sinclair Community College
E-mail: chaimsegal at sbcglobal.net

Every man, woman, every boy and girl,
Let your love light shine, make a better world.
[Daryl Hall & John Oates 


From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org  Wed Nov 26 14:08:59 2014
From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 14:08:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP1729E372F4955279E84933CE730@phx.gbl>
References: <56558b5fa42e4786b6b835c6531b1ca9@BLUPR07MB387.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
	<B8017D18672F43FB9AE17FB031FE804C@ownerf49ceb395>
	<BLU436-SMTP1729E372F4955279E84933CE730@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <0134136c039843fa83fb99d2afe3c50d@BL2PR08MB162.namprd08.prod.outlook.com>

Ask your blindness agency to have the problem area scripted if possible.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 4:19 PM
To: Mark J. Cadigan; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Attention Blind Insurance Agents

Hi, I think a great list to send this to would be blind tech and they are on freelist.org they might be able to better assist you since it's computer related.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I started working for Allstate about a month ago. All this time I have been in training, and everything has been accessible. However, today, I have run into some Citrix software that my computer refuses to read at all. It's called Citrix IE Browse remote. Have any of you ever experienced this software or work for Allstate and have work around suggestions.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
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From bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu  Wed Nov 26 17:34:22 2014
From: bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu (LeJeune, B.J.)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:34:22 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>

You might check out a group called Independence Science that was founded by a blind Chemist, Cary Supalo.  The website is http://www.independencescience.com/   Also the American Chemical Society has an on-line publication about teaching chemistry to students with disabilities, and it is full of lots of ideas. It is a little dated in terms of technology, but it has good information anyway. You can find it at https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/education/publications/teaching-chemistry-to-students-with-disabilities.pdf  .  You might want to share it with your professor.  You definitely need to get an accessible periodic table too.

BJ

B. J. LeJeune
National Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision
Mississippi State University
P. O. Box 6189
Mississippi State, MS  39762
662-325-2694
www.blind.msstate.edu 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student

Ok
Thanks!

Shikha. 

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You can have your lab partners help with most things. The only time 
> you might need your own reader is if it is an individual assignment 
> where you don't have partners.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 11/25/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled 
>> and your lab professor.
>> Miso
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
>>> Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have 
>>> to hire a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Shikha.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu  Wed Nov 26 22:57:40 2014
From: rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu (Sanchas, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 22:57:40 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student
In-Reply-To: <c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>,
	<c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
Message-ID: <4555b509bc19422cb22be0de7f88a25d@BY1PR0201MB1080.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

I know at Rhode Island College their Disability Services Center talks with the professor or department chair and they arrange either that you have a partner or an assistant at no cost to the you.

I don't know what your school's policy is, but I have had partners in the past do what I wasn't able to do and I kept notes and data, afterwards I passed it on to them. One time for an exam I had to do the experiment on my own and my professor had me schedule a different time and he read all the labels and did the visual work for me. From my understanding it mainly depends on your school, professor, and program...

Good luck and Happy Thanksgiving,

Rob.
_____________________________
Robert A. Sanchas
Co-Facilitator-Bridging Connections
Academic Chairman- Nu Rho Colony of Phi Mu Delta
________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of LeJeune, B.J. via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 12:34 PM
To: Shikha; National Association of Blind Students      mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student

You might check out a group called Independence Science that was founded by a blind Chemist, Cary Supalo.  The website is http://www.independencescience.com/   Also the American Chemical Society has an on-line publication about teaching chemistry to students with disabilities, and it is full of lots of ideas. It is a little dated in terms of technology, but it has good information anyway. You can find it at https://www.acs.org/content/dam/acsorg/education/publications/teaching-chemistry-to-students-with-disabilities.pdf  .  You might want to share it with your professor.  You definitely need to get an accessible periodic table too.

BJ

B. J. LeJeune
National Research and Training Center on Blindness and Low Vision
Mississippi State University
P. O. Box 6189
Mississippi State, MS  39762
662-325-2694
www.blind.msstate.edu

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Shikha via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, November 25, 2014 8:45 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Chemistry lab as a blind college student

Ok
Thanks!

Shikha.

> On Nov 25, 2014, at 6:07 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> You can have your lab partners help with most things. The only time
> you might need your own reader is if it is an individual assignment
> where you don't have partners.
> Arielle
>
>> On 11/25/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I'd recommend consulting your school's student service for disabled
>> and your lab professor.
>> Miso
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Nov 25, 2014, at 2:30 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>> How do you accomplish a chemestry lab as a blind college student?
>>> Are you allowed to get your lab partner to help you or do you have
>>> to hire a reader to help you in the chemistry class?
>>>
>>>
>>> Shikha.
>>> _______________________________________________
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From rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu  Wed Nov 26 23:15:57 2014
From: rsanchas_8264 at email.ric.edu (Sanchas, Robert)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:15:57 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] iPad HELP for student teaching...
In-Reply-To: <c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>,
	<c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
Message-ID: <3db714225d544a98802eb88237c85224@BY1PR0201MB1080.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>

Hello everybody,

my name is Rob, I am a 46 year old college student at Rhode Island College. I am studying Elementary Education-Special Education. I still have some vision in my left eye (but I'm not sure for how much longer) about 15%. Next semester I start student teaching and I just ordered an iPad Air 2, I never owned or used an iPad before, and I'm scheduling training for when it gets here in the next week or so...

I'm hoping some of you use iPads frequently and can help me. I know that the apps for people who are blind are not cheap, and I can't afford buying and trying all the apps...

I would like some suggestions on which apps work good, great, or to avoid... Since the iPad will be my greatest mobile device all day when I'll be working with the students I can surely use all the help and advice you give me.

Thank you and have a Happy Thanksgiving,

Rob.
_____________________________
Robert A. Sanchas
Co-Facilitator-Bridging Connections
Academic Chairman- Nu Rho Colony of Phi Mu Delta


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Nov 26 23:28:11 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 17:28:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] iPad HELP for student teaching...
In-Reply-To: <3db714225d544a98802eb88237c85224@BY1PR0201MB1080.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com> <,
	> <c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
	<3db714225d544a98802eb88237c85224@BY1PR0201MB1080.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP168B3EE98A86AC03BAC026CE700@phx.gbl>

Hello Robert, that is awesome. There is a lot of great applications out there it all depends on what you're wanting to do with your iPad as far as using it. If you want some help I will be gladly to help you off list and life support as well just email me at the below address.
jhud7789 at gmail.com
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Sanchas, Robert via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> my name is Rob, I am a 46 year old college student at Rhode Island College. I am studying Elementary Education-Special Education. I still have some vision in my left eye (but I'm not sure for how much longer) about 15%. Next semester I start student teaching and I just ordered an iPad Air 2, I never owned or used an iPad before, and I'm scheduling training for when it gets here in the next week or so...
> 
> I'm hoping some of you use iPads frequently and can help me. I know that the apps for people who are blind are not cheap, and I can't afford buying and trying all the apps...
> 
> I would like some suggestions on which apps work good, great, or to avoid... Since the iPad will be my greatest mobile device all day when I'll be working with the students I can surely use all the help and advice you give me.
> 
> Thank you and have a Happy Thanksgiving,
> 
> Rob.
> _____________________________
> Robert A. Sanchas
> Co-Facilitator-Bridging Connections
> Academic Chairman- Nu Rho Colony of Phi Mu Delta
> 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Wed Nov 26 23:32:04 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 18:32:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPad HELP for student teaching...
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP168B3EE98A86AC03BAC026CE700@phx.gbl>
References: <73610010-B453-4FDC-8A88-0DBD75846F92@gmail.com>
	<F12BE5F3-1881-486F-9DAD-DFAD99043156@aol.com>
	<CALAYQJA219ziJL6epaoFcaC=FZK2a0Rb6cUxedXGXmGFFYsAvA@mail.gmail.com>
	<644E5A9E-89EB-4120-A3F4-570F21E656C0@gmail.com>
	<c468bdaf30224d1381c02a023739c4c0@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>
	<3db714225d544a98802eb88237c85224@BY1PR0201MB1080.namprd02.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP168B3EE98A86AC03BAC026CE700@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <A6D10956-EEAD-421E-B379-686110A0F513@me.com>

Hi Rob,
What types of apps are you wanting to try?
I am going to be purchasing an iPad Mini 2 for Christmas, because I'm used to the iPhone and not the iPad, and I want to be able to train students on the iPad as well. I've had many students want me to work with them on their iPads for independent training.
If you need assistance, we're all here to assist you.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Nov 26, 2014, at 18:28, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Robert, that is awesome. There is a lot of great applications out there it all depends on what you're wanting to do with your iPad as far as using it. If you want some help I will be gladly to help you off list and life support as well just email me at the below address.
> jhud7789 at gmail.com
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
> 
> 
> 
>> On Nov 26, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Sanchas, Robert via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello everybody,
>> 
>> my name is Rob, I am a 46 year old college student at Rhode Island College. I am studying Elementary Education-Special Education. I still have some vision in my left eye (but I'm not sure for how much longer) about 15%. Next semester I start student teaching and I just ordered an iPad Air 2, I never owned or used an iPad before, and I'm scheduling training for when it gets here in the next week or so...
>> 
>> I'm hoping some of you use iPads frequently and can help me. I know that the apps for people who are blind are not cheap, and I can't afford buying and trying all the apps...
>> 
>> I would like some suggestions on which apps work good, great, or to avoid... Since the iPad will be my greatest mobile device all day when I'll be working with the students I can surely use all the help and advice you give me.
>> 
>> Thank you and have a Happy Thanksgiving,
>> 
>> Rob.
>> _____________________________
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>> Co-Facilitator-Bridging Connections
>> Academic Chairman- Nu Rho Colony of Phi Mu Delta
>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Nov 27 00:40:17 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 19:40:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving
Message-ID: <3757BBBCBEB243C6B28E7EDF2AEA6475@OwnerPC>

All,

Hope you have delightful fun plans for the holiday.
I’m with my family eating a cooked meal at my grandmother’s dining room.

happy thanksgiving!
ashley

From mausbun at unr.edu  Thu Nov 27 00:42:28 2014
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 00:42:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83DCBD@UBOX2.unr.edu>

Hello all:
	For quite some time now, I’ve been an active braille note user, because of the school district where I attended my years of compulsory education. My question for all of you stems from a recent comparison, which arose from my state convention.

What are your thoughts regarding the Braille Sense equipment–customer-service, hardware, software, equipment’s capabilities etc. as compared to the braille note? I’m curious if I ought to start saving up, to possibly perches a Braille sense U2...
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
P.S. happy holidays!day 

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Nov 27 05:46:45 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2014 23:46:45 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] thanksgiving
In-Reply-To: <3757BBBCBEB243C6B28E7EDF2AEA6475@OwnerPC>
References: <3757BBBCBEB243C6B28E7EDF2AEA6475@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP44EB49F041A6DB4E9467C7CE710@phx.gbl>

Hi Ashley, thank you for the happy Thanksgiving I will be doing the same except I will be at my mothers with family in town.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Nov 26, 2014, at 6:40 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> 
> Hope you have delightful fun plans for the holiday.
> I’m with my family eating a cooked meal at my grandmother’s dining room.
> 
> happy thanksgiving!
> ashley
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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 14:01:20 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:01:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPad HELP for student teaching...
Message-ID: <00e301d00a4a$a2f33590$e8d9a0b0$@gmail.com>

Hello, 

 

I highly recommend one of your first apps downloaded be "ViA" made by the
Braille Institute. The app is a directory of Apple apps reviewed by people
with blindness and low vision. It allows you access to ratings, gives you
descriptions, the price, and a link to each app's App Stor's page to
download. The number of apps in the directory is always growing. I've found
that, just because an app is listed in ViA doesn't make it completely
accessible, but if you look at the ratings before you download-something I
need to start doing more-you'll find it extremely helpful. There is a
category of education apps I think you might find useful. 

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 15:25:00 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:25:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83DCBD@UBOX2.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83DCBD@UBOX2.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <00af01d00a56$4f62bac0$ee283040$@gmail.com>

Hi, having used both, I believe the U2 has an edge over the Apex. First, the
user interface is a lot more logical. Second, the keyboard is amazingly
quiet. Next, the U2 has more built-in compatibility with online services.
I've had less reason to reset the U2 than I did on the Apex. Now, having
said all that, the Apex wins hands down on portability, and in my opinion,
the Apex makes for a better experience reading books. If I could have the
Braille Sense U2 in the form factor of the Apex, I might just have the
perfect machine. Has anyone come across any reviews of the new Vario
product? I think that's the correct spelling. Anyway, hope that helps.

Joe

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Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
Ausbun via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:42 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?

Hello all:
	For quite some time now, I've been an active braille note user,
because of the school district where I attended my years of compulsory
education. My question for all of you stems from a recent comparison, which
arose from my state convention.

What are your thoughts regarding the Braille Sense
equipment-customer-service, hardware, software, equipment's capabilities
etc. as compared to the braille note? I'm curious if I ought to start saving
up, to possibly perches a Braille sense U2...
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
P.S. happy holidays!day 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 15:28:47 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 09:28:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
In-Reply-To: <00af01d00a56$4f62bac0$ee283040$@gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83DCBD@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<00af01d00a56$4f62bac0$ee283040$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5477432F.5050701@gmail.com>

  And in terms of Spanish, both in writing and the menus and other 
prompts? because on the BrailleNote Apex, (don't think I'm a 
millionaire; I won it a few months ago), on the Apex, one can write/read 
in Spanish, but the menus/prompts are in English, something that doesn't 
affect me since my English is good enough, but anyway, one can Braille 
in Spanish, but the Brailling instead of using the Grade 1 or Literary 
Braille, is done in computer braille! thus I wonder how's this scenario 
with the Braille Sense U2 for those who are multilingual?

El 27/11/2014 09:25 a.m., Joe via nabs-l escribió:
> Hi, having used both, I believe the U2 has an edge over the Apex. First, the
> user interface is a lot more logical. Second, the keyboard is amazingly
> quiet. Next, the U2 has more built-in compatibility with online services.
> I've had less reason to reset the U2 than I did on the Apex. Now, having
> said all that, the Apex wins hands down on portability, and in my opinion,
> the Apex makes for a better experience reading books. If I could have the
> Braille Sense U2 in the form factor of the Apex, I might just have the
> perfect machine. Has anyone come across any reviews of the new Vario
> product? I think that's the correct spelling. Anyway, hope that helps.
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
> Ausbun via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:42 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
>
> Hello all:
> 	For quite some time now, I've been an active braille note user,
> because of the school district where I attended my years of compulsory
> education. My question for all of you stems from a recent comparison, which
> arose from my state convention.
>
> What are your thoughts regarding the Braille Sense
> equipment-customer-service, hardware, software, equipment's capabilities
> etc. as compared to the braille note? I'm curious if I ought to start saving
> up, to possibly perches a Braille sense U2...
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> P.S. happy holidays!day
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Thu Nov 27 15:52:09 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2014 10:52:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy THanksgiving to all
Message-ID: <CFAECA49-B2AE-45F7-AF31-C45E887C3C76@gmail.com>

Hi all, just wanted to wish you all a happy Thanksgiving. I hope everyone is thankful for what they have. I sure am.
I’m thankful for being a part of this group and mailinglist.
If you would like to send me a private individual email you all may do so.
Have a happy and safe thanksgiving all.



From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Fri Nov 28 14:28:36 2014
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'Meally)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2014 09:28:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] My first ever live stream
Message-ID: <FA478600-C794-4958-AF8F-04232B999E3F@gmail.com>

Hello everyone. Lately I have done a lot of my iOS tutorials on YouTube. While this works well in most cases I would like to try something different. This Saturday at noon eastern  I will be hosting  a live stream in order to demonstrate applications I use to get every day tasks done, demonstrate new features of iOS, and take questions you all may have. I will be taking questions via email, text messaging, facebook, Twitter, and via the chat window on the live stream page. Feel free to send me a message if you are interested or if you have any questions and please spread the word. The links to the life stream page as well as to my YouTube page will be included below. 

Here is the link to the live stream

https://shou.tv/chrisomeally 
Here is the link to my YouTube page. 

https://m.youtube.com/user/MrViolinist101


Christopher O'Meally

Vabs Board member.

Founder of Access Tech Media INC

chris.omeally at gmail.com
accesstechmedia at gmail.com
8046586668

Twitter
@christopher2236
@accesstechmedia
@vabs_students


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 19:49:20 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:49:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
In-Reply-To: <5477432F.5050701@gmail.com>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B83DCBD@UBOX2.unr.edu>
	<00af01d00a56$4f62bac0$ee283040$@gmail.com>
	<5477432F.5050701@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbmMO1NrY6JT0qHS998FsUn8=3u2ERr7_9O__hZBRGa+A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I agree with Joe.  I had a BrailleNote classic and then an Empower
while in K-12 school (I never did tge an Apex since my school district
was cheap and never wanted to update anything unless they had to).  I
did use BrailleNote Apex machines that my friends had though, and I
wasn't that impressed.  Overall, I always felt like my Empower, though
more bulky, was a much more stable machine, and even then the keys
were much quieter.  I never had the issues of crashing and keys
popping off or getting stuck in the machine like my Apex friends did.

I made the decision to switch to a BrailleSense right before starting
college, and have never regretted it.  I've had my BrailleSense
On-Hand for over 2 years, and have yet to have a problem with it.  I
love that I was able to upgrade the firmware myself without paying or
having to send my machine away.  I love the customer support from
Hims, and have found them easier to work with than the Humanware
people (although I'll admit it's been a few years).

I do have to disagree with Joe on the portability.  I know the
BrailleSense Plus and the BrailleSense U2 standard are bulkier than
the Apex, but now with the mini there are no reasons why the
BrailleSense would be considered less portable than the BrailleNote
Apex.  The U2 Mini has all the features of the U2, but in a smaller
package.  It is the same size as my On-Hand, and I know Apex users who
have described it as tiny when they've seen it for the first time.

Hope this helps.

On 11/27/14, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>   And in terms of Spanish, both in writing and the menus and other
> prompts? because on the BrailleNote Apex, (don't think I'm a
> millionaire; I won it a few months ago), on the Apex, one can write/read
> in Spanish, but the menus/prompts are in English, something that doesn't
> affect me since my English is good enough, but anyway, one can Braille
> in Spanish, but the Brailling instead of using the Grade 1 or Literary
> Braille, is done in computer braille! thus I wonder how's this scenario
> with the Braille Sense U2 for those who are multilingual?
>
> El 27/11/2014 09:25 a.m., Joe via nabs-l escribió:
>> Hi, having used both, I believe the U2 has an edge over the Apex. First,
>> the
>> user interface is a lot more logical. Second, the keyboard is amazingly
>> quiet. Next, the U2 has more built-in compatibility with online services.
>> I've had less reason to reset the U2 than I did on the Apex. Now, having
>> said all that, the Apex wins hands down on portability, and in my
>> opinion,
>> the Apex makes for a better experience reading books. If I could have the
>> Braille Sense U2 in the form factor of the Apex, I might just have the
>> perfect machine. Has anyone come across any reviews of the new Vario
>> product? I think that's the correct spelling. Anyway, hope that helps.
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
>> Ausbun via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2014 7:42 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Braillenote V. braille sense U2?
>>
>> Hello all:
>> 	For quite some time now, I've been an active braille note user,
>> because of the school district where I attended my years of compulsory
>> education. My question for all of you stems from a recent comparison,
>> which
>> arose from my state convention.
>>
>> What are your thoughts regarding the Braille Sense
>> equipment-customer-service, hardware, software, equipment's capabilities
>> etc. as compared to the braille note? I'm curious if I ought to start
>> saving
>> up, to possibly perches a Braille sense U2...
>> Respectfully,
>> Michael Ausbun
>> P.S. happy holidays!day
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jsoro620%40gmail.com
>>
>>
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>
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> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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> México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>
>
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 22:10:13 2014
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 16:10:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] new blog site
Message-ID: <000501d00c21$4266c5b0$c7345110$@com>

Now, people, I have no idea if this is legal or against the guidelines in
this list serv or whatever, (and if it is, you may remove this email from
the list), but I just wanted to post up this site. www.kaylasimon.com

It is a blog filled with stories and thoughts and etc. all through a blind
girl's perspective. Now, there is a religious twist to it, (Christian to be
exact), but if you want to stop on by, go ahead.

Again, if this is wrong to post up, I'm sorry.

 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Nov 29 22:15:16 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 14:15:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] new blog site
In-Reply-To: <000501d00c21$4266c5b0$c7345110$@com>
References: <000501d00c21$4266c5b0$c7345110$@com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA8SowgKJKt3jqwnBWgugd3D7a55vjv65xw5yJdFArh3g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Kayla and all,
Just to clarify, the main factor determining what is on or off topic
is whether or not a post relates to blindness. If your blog focuses on
your experiences as a blind person, you are welcome to post it.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, List moderator

On 11/29/14, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Now, people, I have no idea if this is legal or against the guidelines in
> this list serv or whatever, (and if it is, you may remove this email from
> the list), but I just wanted to post up this site. www.kaylasimon.com
>
> It is a blog filled with stories and thoughts and etc. all through a blind
> girl's perspective. Now, there is a religious twist to it, (Christian to be
> exact), but if you want to stop on by, go ahead.
>
> Again, if this is wrong to post up, I'm sorry.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Nov 29 22:24:26 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:24:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
In-Reply-To: <CACQLpmeuHDZ6ZiUi_uv207q-dDXNNN0ePSAjLbGo78D6rn6F5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACQLpmeuHDZ6ZiUi_uv207q-dDXNNN0ePSAjLbGo78D6rn6F5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1DA3A5E5FDBAF-DEC-30724@webmail-vm162.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Elif and all,
Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating 
for and helping out international students in the U.S.
I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles, 
majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and 
education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S. 
for about 7 years now.
Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that 
conference may be a good idea.
Best,
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students

Hey Elif,

I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
further.

In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact 
details.

Best,

On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
> when there is no accommodation.
> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
> We can advocate for future generations together.
>
>
>
> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>
>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.  
If
>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>> too.
>>
>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>> will benefit.
>>
>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all 
the
>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because 
of
>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with 
disabilities. I
>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would 
like
>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>> Zeynep
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>   We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>> among
>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>   I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>> suspect
>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>   Best,
>>>>   Darian
>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this 
group?
>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student 
who
>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss 
about the
>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international 
students
>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support 
each
>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> 
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 00:23:25 2014
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 17:23:25 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] new blog site
References: <000501d00c21$4266c5b0$c7345110$@com>
Message-ID: <021f01d00c33$dca7e340$b600a8c0@dougpc>

Kayla, please write me off list. oliver.doug1 at gmail.com
wanted to give you my comments on your blog.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Kayla James via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2014 3:10 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] new blog site


> Now, people, I have no idea if this is legal or against the guidelines in
> this list serv or whatever, (and if it is, you may remove this email from
> the list), but I just wanted to post up this site. www.kaylasimon.com
>
> It is a blog filled with stories and thoughts and etc. all through a blind
> girl's perspective. Now, there is a religious twist to it, (Christian to 
> be
> exact), but if you want to stop on by, go ahead.
>
> Again, if this is wrong to post up, I'm sorry.
>
>
>
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From desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 01:03:30 2014
From: desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com (siddhi desai)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 06:33:30 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Dear Elif and all,

This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
Sincerely
Siddhi


On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Elif and all,
> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
> for about 7 years now.
> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
> conference may be a good idea.
> Best,
> Miso
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>
> Hey Elif,
>
> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
> further.
>
> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
> details.
>
> Best,
>
> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>> when there is no accommodation.
>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>
>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
> If
>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>> too.
>>>
>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>> will benefit.
>>>
>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>>
>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
> the
>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
> of
>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
> disabilities. I
>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
> like
>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Zeynep
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>   We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>> among
>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>   I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>> suspect
>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>    Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>   Best,
>>>>>   Darian
>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
> group?
>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
> who
>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
> about the
>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
> students
>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
> each
>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>>
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>>>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> --
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>>>
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>
> --
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> Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
> E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 02:51:33 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 21:51:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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	<8D1DA3A5E5FDBAF-DEC-30724@webmail-vm162.sysops.aol.com>
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All,

An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start. Perhaps this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for international students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern to them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed for international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS and/or and informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call and at national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Elif and all,
> 
> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
> Sincerely
> Siddhi
> 
> 
>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Elif and all,
>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
>> for about 7 years now.
>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>> conference may be a good idea.
>> Best,
>> Miso
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>> 
>> Hey Elif,
>> 
>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>> further.
>> 
>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
>> details.
>> 
>> Best,
>> 
>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>> 
>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>> If
>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>> too.
>>>> 
>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>>> will benefit.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>> the
>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
>> of
>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>> disabilities. I
>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>> like
>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>  We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>>> among
>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>  I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>   Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>  Best,
>>>>>>  Darian
>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>> group?
>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
>> who
>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>> about the
>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>> students
>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
>> each
>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for
>>>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti
>>>> 
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>> Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
>> E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 03:39:57 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2014 19:39:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] international students
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Hi Chris et al,

First, I am CCing Candice Chapman on this message. She is the
treasurer of NABS and the membership chair.

I think that this is an excellent discussion (although I have not
followed it thoroughly). One thing we do to engage membership is
through membership calls. If a call would interest students, I am sure
that Candice and the NABS board would love to hear about this directly
and am also sure that something could be organized. I am excited to
learn that students are interested in this topic as it is one that I
am vastly unaware about. I for one would have no idea how to advise an
international student, or international blind student for that matter,
as I am completely ignorant of the rights one has if they are an
international student regarding accommodations. I think that a call
led by some international students who are well versed in
international student rights and experienced with advocating for
themselves would be excellent. I am also on the Slate committee, and I
think that publishing an article about some of the unique challenges
experienced by international students would be a great addition to our
newsletter. So, if you fall into the Slate category and want to share
your story, please email me or the chair of the Slate committee, Cody
Bair at codyjbair at yahoo.com.

Candice is CC-ed, but you can email her directly at chapman.candicel at gmail.com.

Cindy

On 11/29/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> All,
>
> An initial conference call for this might be a great place to start. Perhaps
> this can also expand to a meeting at national convention for international
> students and those who are interested in issues which are of concern to
> them. While I don't see the need for a new NFB division being formed for
> international students, as this (in my opinion) falls under the NABS
> umbrella, the potential could be there for a subgroup within NABS and/or and
> informal discussion group which has its meetings via conference call and at
> national convention. Just throwing out some ideas.
>
> Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
> Maryland Association of Blind Students
> Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
> Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD
>
> "Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into
> reality."
>
>> On Nov 29, 2014, at 8:03 PM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Elif and all,
>>
>> This seems to be a great idea! I am from India too and faced many
>> challenges post-arrival in USA. We could  surely plan a conference!
>> Sincerely
>> Siddhi
>>
>>
>>> On 11/30/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi Elif and all,
>>> Joining the party a bit late, but I am also interested in advocating
>>> for and helping out international students in the U.S.
>>> I am Miso, a sophomore attending University of California Los Angeles,
>>> majoring in psychology and minoring in disability studies and
>>> education. I am originally from South Korea and have been in the U.S.
>>> for about 7 years now.
>>> Please feel free to email me off list and I agree with Kartik that
>>> conference may be a good idea.
>>> Best,
>>> Miso
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: Elif Emir <filerime at gmail.com>; National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, Nov 11, 2014 8:11 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] international students
>>>
>>> Hey Elif,
>>>
>>> I'm Kartik. I'm a sophomore at Stanford University studying Computer
>>> Science. I'm from India. I've been thinking on similar lines for quite
>>> sometime now, and I think it'll be awesome to chat more about it to
>>> see what we can do together. Same goes for anyone (international or
>>> not) who is interested. Let's plan a conference to discuss this
>>> further.
>>>
>>> In the meanwhile, Elif, feel free to reach out, or share your contact
>>> details.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>> On 11/11/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Well I admit that I got more accommodation's here than I had back in
>>>> Turkey in terms of the accessible course materials. This is wonderful.
>>>> The problem is being lack of social support which can be a back up
>>>> when there is no accommodation.
>>>> Plus this is a huge culture shock.
>>>> In this situation it is very hard to locate in a new country, lern how
>>>> and where to do shopping, find a way for transportation, how to call
>>>> for a cab, learn the naberhood and campus to navegate independently,
>>>> discover the food, brands, health system, learn how to recognize
>>>> dollar bills and coin, write a check, so and so.
>>>> an international student has to figure all these out very shortly in
>>>> order to survive. Blindness and language make this harder. So some
>>>> daily living assistance at the beginning would be very cool.
>>>> Anyway, if there is any international students here please reach me.
>>>> We can advocate for future generations together.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> 2014-11-11 0:29 GMT-05:00, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>
>>>>> This is definitely dialog which should happen.  I think that domestic
>>>>> students also have a lot to learn from international students, and we
>>>>> could all benefit from more open communication.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, do tell us what you think we could do to help, but also remember
>>>>> to speak up.  I was totally unaware of the lack of accommodations
>>>>> available to students who are not U.S citizens until very recently,
>>>>> and I doubt I'm the only one who isn't very knowledgeable on this.
>>> If
>>>>> you have ideas based on what you did for accommodations in your home
>>>>> country that you think could help students in the U.S, share those
>>>>> too.
>>>>>
>>>>> I think If we're all open and provide helpful suggestions, everyone
>>>>> will benefit.
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 11/10/14, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Elif, that's a great topic to talk about here too. I'm asking all
>>> the
>>>>>> NABS members. How NABS can support international students better? Is
>>>>>> there any idea? Most of us had or still have some problems because
>>> of
>>>>>> being international student. This may be lack of the information and
>>>>>> resources that are available to American sitizens with
>>> disabilities. I
>>>>>> know that being a strong self-advocate is always what we would like,
>>>>>> however, we need support from native students sometimes.  I would
>>> like
>>>>>> to know, if any of the NABS members have any idea on that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Zeynep
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2014-11-10 13:02 GMT-06:00, Darian Smith via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>  We have an "International Students" E-mail list that can be found
>>>>>>> among
>>>>>>> the  collection of list serves  of the NFB at www.nfbnet.org
>>>>>>> <http://www.nfbnet.org/>.
>>>>>>>  I'm sure there are international students on the NABS list, but I
>>>>>>> suspect
>>>>>>> there are more of them on the International  Students List.
>>>>>>>   Hope this is helpful to you.
>>>>>>>  Best,
>>>>>>>  Darian
>>>>>>>> On Nov 10, 2014, at 10:05 AM, Elif Emir via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>> My name is Elif.
>>>>>>>> I'm a graduate student from Turkey.
>>>>>>>> I'm wondering how many international students are we in this
>>> group?
>>>>>>>> Or is there anyone who knows about an international blind student
>>> who
>>>>>>>> is not a member of this e-mail group?
>>>>>>>> Could you contact me from here my personal e-mail to discuss
>>> about the
>>>>>>>> accommodation's we have, problems spessific to international
>>> students
>>>>>>>> and adjustment issues.
>>>>>>>> I want to get together online, and talk to each other and support
>>> each
>>>>>>>> other about these internationally spessific issues.
>>>>>>>> Best
>>>>>>>> Elif Emir Oksuz
>>>>>>>> filerime at gmail.com
>>>>>>>>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 06:59:58 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 01:59:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+
Message-ID: <8D026A6D2DA84E78B518267ABBB7B611@Helga>

Hi all! how are you all? These questions might sound silly, but I'm just curious! How many of you here by the iPhone 6 or iPhone 6+? Do you like it? What kind of features they have? I'm just wondering since I'm thinking some day buying one of them! Some of my friends told me that they are bigger and that they have many cool things!, like that you can see two emails at the same time! I just would like to hear your opinion about them, since I would not like to to make the wrong decision in buying one of them. I actually have an iPhone 5 and I would like to have one of them. And also, I just wanted to ask you, do you know about some kind of battery that work with the iPhones in order not to bring a charger to places? Someone told me that yu can have some kind of battery that you can charge at home, and then you can take it to different places, and when your iPhone dies, you can put this battery as a replacement! Do you know about anything about this kind of battery? I’m just wondering. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much for all your time and have a nice day. God bless!
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 

From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 11:12:54 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:42:54 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Salsa
Message-ID: <CADFycPbbMdGkO_M+Vsf80JVqzSC11NJn=DgvHdyqdjaC1nwkLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I hope this message finds you well. I really want to improve my
dancing skills to avoid being the oddball at parties, so I am thinking
of joining a salsa class.
I'd be very grateful if you guys could share some tricks/ techniques
that would allow me to acquire a deeper understanding of various dance
moves and to be able to learn salsa along with my sighted
counterparts.
Your help would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Rahul


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 13:14:30 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 08:14:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Salsa
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPbbMdGkO_M+Vsf80JVqzSC11NJn=DgvHdyqdjaC1nwkLg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPbbMdGkO_M+Vsf80JVqzSC11NJn=DgvHdyqdjaC1nwkLg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <88995775-44DD-407C-A5B4-21BCCFA5A1BC@gmail.com>

I have a friend here in Maryland whom is a blind salsa instructor. She has taught classes to both sighted and blind people, including one at our state convention. If you would like her contact information, please write me off list and I would be happy to give it to you.

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President
Maryland Association of Blind Students
Coordinator of Social Media, National Federation of the Blind of Maryland
Twitter: @Chrisn98, @MDMDABS and @NFBMD

"Together, with love, hope and determination, we transform dreams into reality."

> On Nov 30, 2014, at 6:12 AM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I hope this message finds you well. I really want to improve my
> dancing skills to avoid being the oddball at parties, so I am thinking
> of joining a salsa class.
> I'd be very grateful if you guys could share some tricks/ techniques
> that would allow me to acquire a deeper understanding of various dance
> moves and to be able to learn salsa along with my sighted
> counterparts.
> Your help would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Nov 30 21:59:48 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:59:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tonight's Membership Conference Call
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS10059D5D4E0483124C7B8E7BA7C0@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

There was a message sent out a couple of weeks ago about a membership
conference call scheduled for tonight, but it did not have the time listed
on the announcement. Does anyone know what time the membership conference
call is set to take place, or even if it is still set to take place sometime
tonight? Any information would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 22:23:04 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:23:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tonight's Membership Conference Call
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS10059D5D4E0483124C7B8E7BA7C0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS10059D5D4E0483124C7B8E7BA7C0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <21D82ADB-9453-424A-A42F-53D24CCF9D49@gmail.com>

Hi, 

The call will take place at 6 central. 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Nov 30, 2014, at 3:59 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> There was a message sent out a couple of weeks ago about a membership
> conference call scheduled for tonight, but it did not have the time listed
> on the announcement. Does anyone know what time the membership conference
> call is set to take place, or even if it is still set to take place sometime
> tonight? Any information would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Sun Nov 30 22:28:23 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2014 16:28:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Membership call time
Message-ID: <8F551709-5B44-4C95-B4D4-5B0B9ACF367F@gmail.com>

Hi guys, 

Just to clear up any confusion or go r those who didn't see the message stating the time. Tonight's membership call will take place at 6 p.m. Central time. You can call into this number: (605) 475-6700 code: 7869673

See you all tonight! 

Candice 

Sent from my iPhone