From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Wed Oct  1 01:43:49 2014
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 01:43:49 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Wellsfargo_Online_Banking?=
Message-ID: <929347.14761.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>

Hi All,

I currently bank with Wellsfargo and use their online banking to pay all of my bills. Everything had been accessible;However, of recent I have been unable to navigate the sight. I am using JAWS and internet explorer. I was curious as to whether anyone else has been having this problem and if so what you’ve been doing to work around it?

Thanks,

Cody

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Wed Oct  1 02:00:46 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:00:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Wellsfargo Online Banking
In-Reply-To: <929347.14761.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
References: <929347.14761.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <542B604E.2070908@tysdomain.com>

I've heard of the issue on other lists. I use firefox and use wellsfargo 
pretty often and it is still accessible. I recommend switching to 
Firefox regardless, but at least it's accessible with Wellsfargo.
On 9/30/2014 9:43 PM, Cody Bair via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I currently bank with Wellsfargo and use their online banking to pay all of my bills. Everything had been accessible;However, of recent I have been unable to navigate the sight. I am using JAWS and internet explorer. I was curious as to whether anyone else has been having this problem and if so what you’ve been doing to work around it?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cody
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Ty
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 02:09:23 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:09:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Wellsfargo Online Banking
In-Reply-To: <542B604E.2070908@tysdomain.com>
References: <929347.14761.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<542B604E.2070908@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDYqt9ggEpvJ987wjEKPqGa+hPahDNoax3m3ORRU-kPNw@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I had the exact same issue on two different computers with IE. I
switched to Firefox and everything went back to normal. Don't know if
it's a JAWS thing or just a general website thing but IE is clearly
the common denominator here.
Arielle

On 9/30/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I've heard of the issue on other lists. I use firefox and use wellsfargo
> pretty often and it is still accessible. I recommend switching to
> Firefox regardless, but at least it's accessible with Wellsfargo.
> On 9/30/2014 9:43 PM, Cody Bair via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I currently bank with Wellsfargo and use their online banking to pay all
>> of my bills. Everything had been accessible;However, of recent I have been
>> unable to navigate the sight. I am using JAWS and internet explorer. I was
>> curious as to whether anyone else has been having this problem and if so
>> what you’ve been doing to work around it?
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Cody
>> _______________________________________________
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>
>
> --
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that
> dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 02:28:00 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:28:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Wellsfargo Online Banking
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJDYqt9ggEpvJ987wjEKPqGa+hPahDNoax3m3ORRU-kPNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <929347.14761.bm@smtp211.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>
	<542B604E.2070908@tysdomain.com>
	<CALAYQJDYqt9ggEpvJ987wjEKPqGa+hPahDNoax3m3ORRU-kPNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuPVQOj+E1eb8Pv7r1jrDj_77VyYe_cz5oY=Q4W-psj+A@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I heard that happened to several people on the Computer Science list too.
Apparently, the bank refreshed the site and whatever they did made it
totally invisible to JAWS.
According to what I heard on the list though, either use firefox, or,
if you use NVDA you should be fine too. Window Eyes/System Access
users shouldn't be affected--looks like whatever they did is JAWS
specific.




On 9/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yes, I had the exact same issue on two different computers with IE. I
> switched to Firefox and everything went back to normal. Don't know if
> it's a JAWS thing or just a general website thing but IE is clearly
> the common denominator here.
> Arielle
>
> On 9/30/14, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I've heard of the issue on other lists. I use firefox and use wellsfargo
>> pretty often and it is still accessible. I recommend switching to
>> Firefox regardless, but at least it's accessible with Wellsfargo.
>> On 9/30/2014 9:43 PM, Cody Bair via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I currently bank with Wellsfargo and use their online banking to pay all
>>> of my bills. Everything had been accessible;However, of recent I have
>>> been
>>> unable to navigate the sight. I am using JAWS and internet explorer. I
>>> was
>>> curious as to whether anyone else has been having this problem and if so
>>> what you've been doing to work around it?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Cody
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he
>> that
>> dares not reason is a slave.
>>
>>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 02:41:50 2014
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 22:41:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
Message-ID: <542b6a0c.8124e00a.27a0.ffffc2a9@mx.google.com>

Hi Everyone!,
  I remember this being a thread before, but  I don't quite 
remember all that was said.  Is there an accessible 
computer-based database for learning the periodic table quickly? 
I have a friend who needs a way to do this, and only has access 
to a laptop and IDevices.
Thanks,
Precious


From anthony at olivero.us  Wed Oct  1 02:56:40 2014
From: anthony at olivero.us (Tony Olivero)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 21:56:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
In-Reply-To: <542b6a0c.8124e00a.27a0.ffffc2a9@mx.google.com>
References: <542b6a0c.8124e00a.27a0.ffffc2a9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <1412132200.1154318.173728565.7322F60C@webmail.messagingengine.com>

As it happens, someone mentioned an accessible app for the Periodic
Table on Twitter today. The app is called Quick Periodic Table of the
Elements, developed by Quick Learning LLC and the App Store link is
http://appsto.re/us/UJc5B.i. I can't vouch for it, but the woman who
mentioned it is a VoiceOver user.

HTH,
Tony


On Tue, Sep 30, 2014, at 21:41, Precious via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi Everyone!,
>   I remember this being a thread before, but  I don't quite 
> remember all that was said.  Is there an accessible 
> computer-based database for learning the periodic table quickly? 
> I have a friend who needs a way to do this, and only has access 
> to a laptop and IDevices.
> Thanks,
> Precious
> 
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 13:12:14 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 09:12:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
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References: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54299a29.4588e00a.6940.ffff8cd1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJB+DEq6Mu9NzdTfkL1xv1=+B-HQu081ROFgWfFw9apPww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJMVeY24i48sk-eGfR-JYqdM8+gOzPCUb1tieyKJZhX0xQcvXw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

Does anyone have any other tips? I'm planning a 6 week trip. My school
is being very accommodated but any advise would be appreciated.

Sofia

On 9/29/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> I have not been to the West Indies; however, I went on a ten-day
> college trip to Israel, which as you probably know, can be dangerous
> at times. Our group was heavily staffed and I experienced no problems.
> I have also been to Romania and Hungary and encountered some
> over-helpful people but nobody whose attitudes about blindness caused
> me problems. Have fun!
> Arielle
>
> On 9/29/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good morning, Kaiti,
>>
>> You lucky duck, you!
>>
>> I don't think for all the reasons you stated that you will have
>> problems being hurt, or robbed. your experience in Jamaica will be
>> memerable and it is not for those reasons.
>>
>> A few years ago, I met this Jamaican guy in downtown Denver and fell
>> in love with patois. Unfortunately, I lost track of Edwin, but at the
>> Denver main library I checked out all this print material which I
>> scanned, and read, myself. Yes, Christianaty is definitely a
>> structural presence of a Jamaican identity and, being that it is so
>> structural, unlike ornamental Christians you might find here, I don't
>> think you'll encounter too much of the things you named about
>> previous experience with Christians. But then, you might be intrigued
>> by presences of Mama Afrika you might see within culture, and
>> tradition, if not to say spirituality?
>> Personally, something that has always intrigued me is how
>> Christianity as well as other influences are blended with old Afrikan
>> presences to form West Indian culture. You might wanna read about the
>> history of the Jamaican experience to better place your own
>> experiences and other findings into a certain context? Personally, I
>> really get off on knowing a historical context, and how my findings
>> of a group is influenced by history, and culture.
>>
>> I would love to be treated via a 2nd hand, of your Jamaican
>> experiences! would love to hear of how blind people are regarded
>> within such a society. Will you write to me if you find time/resources?
>> call: 408-209-3239
>> for today, Car 9/28/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>>>Hi all,
>>>
>>>I have applied for a ten-day study abroad service project to take
>>>place in June of 2015.  If selected to be a part of this program, I
>>>will travel to Boston Bay Jamaica and use my music therapy training to
>>>work with special needs school children, patients at an infirmary on
>>>the geriatric and psychiatric wards, and in a homeless shelter.  It
>>>would be a great experience for me, both personally and
>>>professionally.
>>>
>>>I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but I think I have a fair shot of
>>>getting in.  The interview portion of my application process went
>>>really well, and I've met all other requirements.  I've already
>>>discussed accessibility for the course materials and things like
>>>safety with the program's director, and he seems more than willing to
>>>accommodate with electronic materials and some extra orientation if I
>>>need it when I'm at the site.  He told me that all that is left is for
>>>my professor to give her approval, and she's already told me that she
>>>thinks this would be great for me and that I have her support.  So,
>>>all signs look pretty good.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
>>>everything panns out as expected.
>>>
>>>I am now curious as to how others on this list have studied abroad.  I
>>>realize my situation is a little different because it's short term and
>>>experiential rather than class work, but there are still aspects of
>>>the experience I am wondering about.  For example, how did you raise
>>>the funds to go if that was an issue for you?  How were you received
>>>in the airport of the country you visitted?  What was it like in the
>>>country you visitted when locals saw you/talked to you?
>>>
>>>I have limitted travel experience.  My first plane ride was to the
>>>2012 National Convention, and although I navigated both airports like
>>>a champ and had no problems, I've never had to deal with customs or a
>>>foreign airport before.  I also can't find anything about how
>>>Jamaicans view people with disabilities.  I know that Jamaica is a
>>>very religious country, and that Christianity is the prominent
>>>religion, but I've had people from various sects of Christianity do
>>>everything from claiming I was blind because some demon punished me or
>>>my mother, and others who just acknowledged it for what it was-a
>>>genetic or physical thing without religious affiliation, and that's
>>>just in the U.S.  In my research I've also learned about the crime in
>>>Jamaica, and am a little worried about being an easy target.  The
>>>program I would be a part of is very well-staffed, and I would never
>>>be out of the enclosed living area without a staff member to chaperone
>>>me.  The program also has a 100% track record in ten years for
>>>students returning home unharmed and with all their belongings, and
>>>the program's director told me that we'll be in a pretty safe area
>>>since we'll be in the countryside with local farmers and fishermen who
>>>know what the students are doing and don't want to bite the hands that
>>>feed them persay, rather than by the resorts where tourists are taken
>>>advantage of frequently.  Nevertheless, I want to do everything I can
>>>to ensure that I am safe if I end up going abroad.  I want to remember
>>>the trip for the good things and the learning, not for getting hurt or
>>>losing something valuable.  What extra measures would you experienced
>>>study abroad students advise I take if selected to go?  Any
>>>suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone has done study abroad or
>>>service work in the West Indies before.
>>>
>>>--
>>>Kaiti
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 14:13:57 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:13:57 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks


From dtb-talk at nfbnet.org  Wed Oct  1 15:28:07 2014
From: dtb-talk at nfbnet.org (Andrews,
	David B (DEED) via Dtb-talk)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 10:28:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Act Now! Test Reading Systems for Accessibility
Message-ID: <auto-000001257174@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Dear DAISY and EPUB Community and all others interested in improving 
reading experiences:

We have made progress recruiting people to test reading systems that 
support EPUB 3, but we still need many more. We would like to pay for 
this work and are seeking funding.  However, we currently do not have 
the funding and are asking volunteers for help.

If you are associated with a university or other institution that 
will benefit from having reliable digital reading systems available 
for students with special needs, please participate and spend some 
time testing a reading system used on your campus or being considered for use.

Ideally, a moderator will be identified for each reading system on a 
specific platform (OS) and that moderator will help other volunteers 
test and report findings using the Assistive Technology (AT) at their disposal.

Example: Reading system HappyReader (fictional name) running on 
Windows 7 will have a moderator who manages volunteers to test 
HappyReader with the wide range of AT used on Windows 7. The screen 
reader JFW using TTS as output would be one evaluation performed; 
another volunteer evaluator would test HappyReader with NVDA using 
braille output; another tester would use screen magnification 
ZoomText and report the results, etc.

Because of the wide range of AT used by persons with disabilities, a 
crowd source approach will be used. We encourage organizations to 
sponsor testing by assigning people to test the specific reading 
systems and technologies used in their organization. For example, a 
university using specific AT with specific reading systems will 
assign people to work on testing those systems and share their findings.

Please go to the primary website to learn more:
http://www.epubtest.org

The grid that currently lists 57 reading systems is at:
http://epubtest.org/results/

For example, you will find the details for the accessibility testing 
of the VitalSource Bookshelf Version 6.5 for Windows using JFW 15. 
Test result is an excellent 77.8%:
http://epubtest.org/rs/70/accessibility/
or
Readium for Chrome on Windows using JFW 15 scored 75.76%:
http://epubtest.org/rs/121/accessibility/
Start Today - Look at the grid on 
epubtest.org<http://epubtest.org/results>, find a reading system you 
want to test, and email Kerscher at montana.com<mailto:Kerscher at montana.com>
We will be promoting tested reading systems that support accessible 
and rich reading experiences so people can find systems that meet 
their reading needs. They can also get help with deciding where they 
should spend their money.
This work is an important piece in building Inclusive Publishing and 
Reading Systems. We appreciate your time and commitment.


Best
George


George Kerscher Ph.D.
-In our Information Age, access to information is a fundamental human right.
Secretary General, DAISY Consortium
http://www.daisy.org
Senior Officer, Accessible Technology Learning Ally Together It's Possible
http://www.LearningAlly.org
President, International Digital Publishing Forum (IDPF)
http://www.idpf.org
Member of the National Museum and Library Services  Board (IMLS)
http://www.imls.gov
Chair Steering Council Web Accessibility Initiative (WAI), a division 
of the W3C
http://www.w3c.org/wai
Phone: +1 406/549-4687
Cell:+1 406/544-2466
Email: kerscher at montana.com<mailto:kerscher at montana.com>



From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 15:44:34 2014
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 08:44:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiA0SuMbasnf_r6wnNL-+2YqgXfQrt7mQ73Qoq-55b3W1Jm7A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ana,
I would love for you to stay in Colorado.
I have 2 recommendations for you.
You can come to Alameda International where I go. Alameda Internation
teaches a great International curriculum. You are learning the same
thing that every achild in other countries are learning, and there are
some amazing teachers.
Also, you can go to William C. Hinkley High School in Aurora Colorado.
Hinkley is listed as one of the best schools in Colorado. And a very
good friend of mine goes there.
Let me know if you have questions!
JJ

On 10/1/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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-- 
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Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Wed Oct  1 16:14:28 2014
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:14:28 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] National Federation of the Blind Meet the Blind Month
Message-ID: <24a61a99d8ec4c7ab3218772ead1c0bd@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Please share


Meet the Blind Month
https://nfb.org//meet-blind-month

Meet the Blind Month is our nationwide campaign to increase awareness of, and support for, the National Federation of the Blind (NFB). The NFB knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back. During this month, the members of our affiliates, chapters, and divisions spread this message by conducting a variety of outreach activities that will create opportunities for people to meet the blind of their communities, and to recognize that we are vital contributing members of society.

Some of our members will conduct creative Meet the Blind Month projects and programs. Others will staff NFB blindness information tables at local venues and events. Still others will simply walk around in populated areas with brochures, a smile, and a handshake.  Whatever the activity, members of the NFB will be sharing stories of how the National Federation of the Blind helps us live the life we want.

It only takes one person with the right attitude, some NFB literature, and a desire to share the philosophy of the National Federation of the Blind to help overcome the obstacles between blind people and our dreams. Our National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute supports these grassroots activities by coordinating the nationwide campaign and providing access to materials.  Please contact us if you would like assistance in identifying a NFB representative to participate in your local meeting or event.

We want to share what our members are doing across the country to promote meet the Blind Month, so we will be using social media to highlight various Meet the Blind Month activities.  On Facebook, members will be posting information about their activities to the National Federation of the Blind's timeline.  You can search for #nfbmtbm14 on Twitter to get updates on Meet the Blind Month activities. For these and other updates about National Federation of the Blind activities, you can follow @NFB_Voice on Twitter.

Past Meet The Blind Month Activities
2013<http://nfb.org/meet-blind-month-2013>
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 17:25:31 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:25:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <348F871F-743C-42E4-AB33-CBF052FC4E6B@gmail.com>

Hi Anna,

You might try the Boston Latin School.  It’s a public prep school, more along the lines of the public boarding schools in Europe.  I think they do take international students.  I know some people who went there for high school, so I can definitely do some research for you if you would like.  Feel free to e-mail me off-list at: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> if you want to know more.

Best,
Ryan L. Silveira


> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
> 
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From kramc11 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 17:42:10 2014
From: kramc11 at gmail.com (Mark J. Cadigan)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:42:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<348F871F-743C-42E4-AB33-CBF052FC4E6B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36321E635B2346A981EE6E18942CC488@ownerf49ceb395>

Hi Anna,



I have not attended the Boston Latin School, however I know of blind 
students who have attended in the past. Also, Boston is an amazing city with 
wonderful public transportation. Contact me off list if you want me to put 
you in contact with NFB members from Massachusetts and perhaps some other 
blind students who have attended Boston Latin School.



HTH

Mark



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ryan Silveira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Ana Martinez" <martinezana770 at gmail.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:25 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school options


> Hi Anna,
>
> You might try the Boston Latin School.  It’s a public prep school, more 
> along the lines of the public boarding schools in Europe.  I think they do 
> take international students.  I know some people who went there for high 
> school, so I can definitely do some research for you if you would like. 
> Feel free to e-mail me off-list at: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com 
> <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> if you want to know more.
>
> Best,
> Ryan L. Silveira
>
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for 
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/ryan.l.silveira%40gmail.com
>
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:05:37 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:05:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
 Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
eastern time, and going til ten.

Featured on tonight's show are....
What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella

Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
of our songs will help express those feelings.
And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
the Disney birthday attractions.
All this and so much more....

Got a request? Tweet them to
thebellonline
during the show
Skype daviddunphyradio
or call
516 945 9165
and tune in at
http://the-bell.net/listen
See you there tonight!


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:12:21 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:12:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
	On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>

Hello David,

I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
Cappellas Anonymous Tonight

Hi All!
Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
eastern time, and going til ten.

Featured on tonight's show are....
What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella

Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
of our songs will help express those feelings.
And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
the Disney birthday attractions.
All this and so much more....

Got a request? Tweet them to
thebellonline
during the show
Skype daviddunphyradio
or call
516 945 9165
and tune in at
http://the-bell.net/listen
See you there tonight!

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:28:57 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:28:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And
	MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
Message-ID: <542c481a.840f330a.63f6.4a7d@mx.google.com>

+1

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'David Dunphy'" 
<internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,"'National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:12:21 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney 
World And MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight

Hello David,

I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with 
blindness or
being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements 
are relevant
for this email list. Can you please stop sending your 
announcements to the
email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly 
appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
David Dunphy
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World 
And More On A
Cappellas Anonymous Tonight

Hi All!
Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
eastern time, and going til ten.

Featured on tonight's show are....
What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera 
collide?
Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella

Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? 
One
of our songs will help express those feelings.
And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief 
presentation on
the Disney birthday attractions.
All this and so much more....

Got a request? Tweet them to
thebellonline
during the show
Skype daviddunphyradio
or call
516 945 9165
and tune in at
http://the-bell.net/listen
See you there tonight!

_______________________________________________
nabs-l mailing list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info 
for
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otmail.com

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il.com


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 18:41:31 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 12:41:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
	On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>

Come on… in the time it took you to write this, you could have just as easily hit the delete button and started a pot of coffee or something. I know David has done a lot of behind-the-scenes work for NABS so I say lighten up and let it be. :-)
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
> 
> Hi All!
> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
> eastern time, and going til ten.
> 
> Featured on tonight's show are....
> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
> 
> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
> of our songs will help express those feelings.
> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
> the Disney birthday attractions.
> All this and so much more....
> 
> Got a request? Tweet them to
> thebellonline
> during the show
> Skype daviddunphyradio
> or call
> 516 945 9165
> and tune in at
> http://the-bell.net/listen
> See you there tonight!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Wed Oct  1 18:51:20 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 14:51:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
 On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>	<COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>
	<32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542C4D28.6040007@tysdomain.com>

Does doing behind-the-scenes work permit one to send useless spam to the 
list and break the rules? I advocate hitting delete when you don't agree 
with the message, or when it's a topic you don't care about. This is 
assuming that the idea behind the list is being upheld; that the users 
of the list are sending valid on-topic messages pertaining to blind 
students and everything that goes under that. I do not believe that work 
behind the scenes should permit one to break rules and guidelines. If 
that's the case, anyone got a few jobs I can do?
On 10/1/2014 2:41 PM, Kirt via nabs-l wrote:
> Come on… in the time it took you to write this, you could have just as easily hit the delete button and started a pot of coffee or something. I know David has done a lot of behind-the-scenes work for NABS so I say lighten up and let it be. :-)
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
>> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
>> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
>> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
>> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>
>> Hi All!
>> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
>> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
>> eastern time, and going til ten.
>>
>> Featured on tonight's show are....
>> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
>> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
>>
>> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
>> of our songs will help express those feelings.
>> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
>> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
>> the Disney birthday attractions.
>> All this and so much more....
>>
>> Got a request? Tweet them to
>> thebellonline
>> during the show
>> Skype daviddunphyradio
>> or call
>> 516 945 9165
>> and tune in at
>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>> See you there tonight!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
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-- 
Take care,
Ty
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He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:04:42 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:04:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
 On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>	<COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>
	<32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542C504A.1060900@gmail.com>

Thanks, I appreciate that, and hope to get back to doing more of it, so 
hang on to your hats.
On 10/1/2014 2:41 PM, Kirt via nabs-l wrote:
> Come on… in the time it took you to write this, you could have just as easily hit the delete button and started a pot of coffee or something. I know David has done a lot of behind-the-scenes work for NABS so I say lighten up and let it be. :-)
> Best,
> Kirt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
>> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
>> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
>> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
>> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>
>> Hi All!
>> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
>> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
>> eastern time, and going til ten.
>>
>> Featured on tonight's show are....
>> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
>> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
>>
>> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
>> of our songs will help express those feelings.
>> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
>> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
>> the Disney birthday attractions.
>> All this and so much more....
>>
>> Got a request? Tweet them to
>> thebellonline
>> during the show
>> Skype daviddunphyradio
>> or call
>> 516 945 9165
>> and tune in at
>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>> See you there tonight!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/lizmohnke%40hotmail.com
>>
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:05:35 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 15:05:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
 On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <542C4D28.6040007@tysdomain.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>	<COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>	<32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
	<542C4D28.6040007@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <542C507F.8060007@gmail.com>


As I said, I was given permission to do it once a month.
On 10/1/2014 2:51 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> Does doing behind-the-scenes work permit one to send useless spam to 
> the list and break the rules? I advocate hitting delete when you don't 
> agree with the message, or when it's a topic you don't care about. 
> This is assuming that the idea behind the list is being upheld; that 
> the users of the list are sending valid on-topic messages pertaining 
> to blind students and everything that goes under that. I do not 
> believe that work behind the scenes should permit one to break rules 
> and guidelines. If that's the case, anyone got a few jobs I can do?
> On 10/1/2014 2:41 PM, Kirt via nabs-l wrote:
>> Come on… in the time it took you to write this, you could have just 
>> as easily hit the delete button and started a pot of coffee or 
>> something. I know David has done a lot of behind-the-scenes work for 
>> NABS so I say lighten up and let it be. :-)
>> Best,
>> Kirt
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello David,
>>>
>>> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with 
>>> blindness or
>>> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are 
>>> relevant
>>> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements 
>>> to the
>>> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly 
>>> appreciated.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Elizabeth
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David 
>>> Dunphy
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And 
>>> More On A
>>> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>>
>>> Hi All!
>>> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
>>> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
>>> eastern time, and going til ten.
>>>
>>> Featured on tonight's show are....
>>> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
>>> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
>>>
>>> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
>>> of our songs will help express those feelings.
>>> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
>>> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
>>> the Disney birthday attractions.
>>> All this and so much more....
>>>
>>> Got a request? Tweet them to
>>> thebellonline
>>> during the show
>>> Skype daviddunphyradio
>>> or call
>>> 516 945 9165
>>> and tune in at
>>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>>> See you there tonight!
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:24:36 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 15:24:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <36321E635B2346A981EE6E18942CC488@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<348F871F-743C-42E4-AB33-CBF052FC4E6B@gmail.com>
	<36321E635B2346A981EE6E18942CC488@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ_r3_y1irW-LTUxe=dZq0_7gcfNpg9T=Ot65aLHGJMTA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ana,

First and foremost, if you're an international student I would contact
the program which coordinated your study abroad to see what your
options are.  You want to be sure of any guidelines or suggestions
they might have before you get too deep in searching for things which
might not be available to you.

Hope this helps.

On 10/1/14, Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Anna,
>
>
>
> I have not attended the Boston Latin School, however I know of blind
> students who have attended in the past. Also, Boston is an amazing city with
> wonderful public transportation. Contact me off list if you want me to put
> you in contact with NFB members from Massachusetts and perhaps some other
> blind students who have attended Boston Latin School.
>
>
>
> HTH
>
> Mark
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ryan Silveira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Ana Martinez" <martinezana770 at gmail.com>; "National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school options
>
>
>> Hi Anna,
>>
>> You might try the Boston Latin School.  It's a public prep school, more
>> along the lines of the public boarding schools in Europe.  I think they do
>>
>> take international students.  I know some people who went there for high
>> school, so I can definitely do some research for you if you would like.
>> Feel free to e-mail me off-list at: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> if you want to know more.
>>
>> Best,
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>>
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>>>
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-- 
Kaiti


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 19:40:16 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:40:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More
	On A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <542C507F.8060007@gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wzVFsm7FJ1g6PFaMAjf=rR9duBb7MaT2moMfH+3PmEUg@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS108B89498362959DCB8315BAB80@phx.gbl>
	<32687A07-7E02-4691-BC53-614AA0D96D11@gmail.com>
	<542C4D28.6040007@tysdomain.com> <542C507F.8060007@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <561C52A6-DB7A-4C4E-8D28-CE16FC0717A3@gmail.com>

Tyler,
Yeah… if you had something you wanted to advertise on the student list, especially if it was off topic, doing behind-the-scenes work would be a great idea,"Rules"not withstanding. I think David has been tasteful, he hasn't overdone it, and if it really bothers you couldn't you just set up a filter and block his messages entirely? You're a tech savvy guy… I would imagine, for you, something like that would probably take less time then replying to these threads each time they come up. :-)
Best,
Kirt
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:05 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> As I said, I was given permission to do it once a month.
>> On 10/1/2014 2:51 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
>> Does doing behind-the-scenes work permit one to send useless spam to the list and break the rules? I advocate hitting delete when you don't agree with the message, or when it's a topic you don't care about. This is assuming that the idea behind the list is being upheld; that the users of the list are sending valid on-topic messages pertaining to blind students and everything that goes under that. I do not believe that work behind the scenes should permit one to break rules and guidelines. If that's the case, anyone got a few jobs I can do?
>>> On 10/1/2014 2:41 PM, Kirt via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Come on… in the time it took you to write this, you could have just as easily hit the delete button and started a pot of coffee or something. I know David has done a lot of behind-the-scenes work for NABS so I say lighten up and let it be. :-)
>>> Best,
>>> Kirt
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 12:12 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello David,
>>>> 
>>>> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
>>>> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
>>>> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
>>>> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Elizabeth
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
>>>> via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
>>>> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>>> 
>>>> Hi All!
>>>> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
>>>> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
>>>> eastern time, and going til ten.
>>>> 
>>>> Featured on tonight's show are....
>>>> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
>>>> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
>>>> 
>>>> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
>>>> of our songs will help express those feelings.
>>>> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
>>>> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
>>>> the Disney birthday attractions.
>>>> All this and so much more....
>>>> 
>>>> Got a request? Tweet them to
>>>> thebellonline
>>>> during the show
>>>> Skype daviddunphyradio
>>>> or call
>>>> 516 945 9165
>>>> and tune in at
>>>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>>>> See you there tonight!
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>> 
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> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:15:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 13:15:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBxH97XAj5Ho2V3XRBcrefW9ckadS_912ej8uxtVj7zNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Sean and Mary appointed me as co-moderator for the list, so I want to
respond to the recent discussion about the radio show advertisements.
Here we have a custom of only posting messages to the list that
pertain specifically to blindness. The main reason for this rule is to
cut down on list clutter. David's radio show announcements are only
on-topic for the list if his show happens to be about blindness or
NABS. In this case, it is not. Labeling the post "o/t" also does
nothing to nullify the clutter generated. And no one is exempt from
list rules--not even our president.
However, complaining about off-topic posts on the list multiplies the
problem by increasing the amount of clutter generated. A post from
David once a month creates a little bit of off-topic clutter, but
seven replies to that post is much more of a concern.
I am not aware if the list moderators came to a judgment about whether
or not David's radio show announcements would be permitted. I am
willing to entertain off-list feedback from you guys about it, and I
think Sean as president should have the final say. My recommendation
is that the fairest thing to do would be to disallow any radio show
announcements that are unrelated to blindness. Otherwise, if we allow
David we have to allow everyone else. I think it's fair to invite
anyone who listens to David's show and who wants to receive future
announcements off-list to email David directly.
The most important thing, though, is that if you see an off-topic post
from anybody here, please do not reply to it on-list, as doing so
defeats the purpose of enforcing topic rules. Instead, please either
delete it, or send me, Sean, or Dave Andrews an email off-list stating
your concern. This will ensure the list remains as free of on-list
clutter as possible.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Best,
Arielle
arielle71 at gmail.com


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:23:28 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:23:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And
	MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <542c481a.840f330a.63f6.4a7d@mx.google.com>
References: <542c481a.840f330a.63f6.4a7d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <7A143D17-B76C-46DF-AD1A-D361F7002780@gmail.com>

Hey david 
Can u please send me the link to the mp3 link. 
I am not able to listen to the songs from the link that you provided. 
Thanks

Shikha. 

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> +1
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'David Dunphy'" <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:12:21 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
> 
> Hello David,
> 
> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
> 
> Hi All!
> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
> eastern time, and going til ten.
> 
> Featured on tonight's show are....
> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
> 
> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
> of our songs will help express those feelings.
> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
> the Disney birthday attractions.
> All this and so much more....
> 
> Got a request? Tweet them to
> thebellonline
> during the show
> Skype daviddunphyradio
> or call
> 516 945 9165
> and tune in at
> http://the-bell.net/listen
> See you there tonight!
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 20:48:54 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 16:48:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And
 MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <7A143D17-B76C-46DF-AD1A-D361F7002780@gmail.com>
References: <542c481a.840f330a.63f6.4a7d@mx.google.com>
	<7A143D17-B76C-46DF-AD1A-D361F7002780@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542C68B6.5050305@gmail.com>

Put the following into your media player of choice, and next time, email 
me personally:
http://199.180.72.17:9880
On 10/1/2014 4:23 PM, Shikha via nabs-l wrote:
> Hey david
> Can u please send me the link to the mp3 link.
> I am not able to listen to the songs from the link that you provided.
> Thanks
>
> Shikha.
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 2:28 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> +1
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'David Dunphy'" <internetradioentertainer at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 14:12:21 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And MoreOn A Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>
>> Hello David,
>>
>> I honestly do not know what your radio shows have to do with blindness or
>> being a student. Therefore, I do not see how your announcements are relevant
>> for this email list. Can you please stop sending your announcements to the
>> email list? Your cooperation in this matter would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Dunphy
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 2:06 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] OT: A Tribute To The Opening Of Disney World And More On A
>> Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
>>
>> Hi All!
>> Grab some dinner, turn up your speakers, and get ready for a
>> jam-packed three hour A Cappellas Anonymous, starting at 7 PM US
>> eastern time, and going til ten.
>>
>> Featured on tonight's show are....
>> What do you get when Adam Lambert and The Phantom Of The Opera collide?
>> Meet a college group that does only 80's a cappella
>>
>> Got someone that drives you crazy or you just plain can't stand? One
>> of our songs will help express those feelings.
>> And since Walt Disney World opened its doors on this day in 1971,
>> we'll be featuring some Disney a cappella, and a brief presentation on
>> the Disney birthday attractions.
>> All this and so much more....
>>
>> Got a request? Tweet them to
>> thebellonline
>> during the show
>> Skype daviddunphyradio
>> or call
>> 516 945 9165
>> and tune in at
>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>> See you there tonight!
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Oct  1 22:40:50 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:40:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBxH97XAj5Ho2V3XRBcrefW9ckadS_912ej8uxtVj7zNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJBxH97XAj5Ho2V3XRBcrefW9ckadS_912ej8uxtVj7zNw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS362DA850D441E4420222BD0BAB80@phx.gbl>

Hello Arielle,

I was not aware of any changes in the moderation of this email list. It was
my understanding that mary Fernandez was the moderator of this email list. I
have sent several emails to her off list regarding this topic without
receiving any response. It would be rather helpful to receive some kind of
announcement when changes in the list moderator occur so we can contact the
correct person to deal with these kinds of issues off the email list. It
seemed to me that the guidelines Mary posted for posting to this email list
were very clear about not posting anything that does not have anything to do
with blindness or being a student. I do not recall seeing any exceptions to
these guidelines as part of her poste. Therefore, I believe these guidelines
should apply to everyone who posts to this email list without any
exceptions.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 4:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages

Hi all,
Sean and Mary appointed me as co-moderator for the list, so I want to
respond to the recent discussion about the radio show advertisements.
Here we have a custom of only posting messages to the list that pertain
specifically to blindness. The main reason for this rule is to cut down on
list clutter. David's radio show announcements are only on-topic for the
list if his show happens to be about blindness or NABS. In this case, it is
not. Labeling the post "o/t" also does nothing to nullify the clutter
generated. And no one is exempt from list rules--not even our president.
However, complaining about off-topic posts on the list multiplies the
problem by increasing the amount of clutter generated. A post from David
once a month creates a little bit of off-topic clutter, but seven replies to
that post is much more of a concern.
I am not aware if the list moderators came to a judgment about whether or
not David's radio show announcements would be permitted. I am willing to
entertain off-list feedback from you guys about it, and I think Sean as
president should have the final say. My recommendation is that the fairest
thing to do would be to disallow any radio show announcements that are
unrelated to blindness. Otherwise, if we allow David we have to allow
everyone else. I think it's fair to invite anyone who listens to David's
show and who wants to receive future announcements off-list to email David
directly.
The most important thing, though, is that if you see an off-topic post from
anybody here, please do not reply to it on-list, as doing so defeats the
purpose of enforcing topic rules. Instead, please either delete it, or send
me, Sean, or Dave Andrews an email off-list stating your concern. This will
ensure the list remains as free of on-list clutter as possible.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Best,
Arielle
arielle71 at gmail.com

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct  1 22:42:25 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 18:42:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible testing material
Message-ID: <532D125C-D933-410B-BA47-BDCA8CE6E07A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

If you have experienced difficulty obtaining an accessible practice exam, please contact Valerie Yingling at (410) 659-9314, extension 2440, with the following information:

Name of practice exam and high-stakes test with which it coordinates
Publisher of the practice exam
Format sought (electronic screen-reader-compatible format, Braille, or other)
Date requested
Outcome of request
Best
Derek Manners


Sent from my iPhone

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct  1 23:00:04 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 16:00:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible testing material
In-Reply-To: <532D125C-D933-410B-BA47-BDCA8CE6E07A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <532D125C-D933-410B-BA47-BDCA8CE6E07A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <B5F66D67-ADD7-4E26-A04B-0FF5AA526ABF@gmail.com>

Thank you for that  announcement, Derek.
 All: if you have these such problems, Please do contact    follow up as Derek suggests. It is very important that if we experience the  problems then we see that we become part of the solution. any opportunity we have to do so, we should take advantage of it so that these problems don’t persist.
   But it needs to be said that the problems we face of  discrimination go away when we(every single one of us)do what we can to make it go away.   
And we all can do something.
  Food for thought.
  Thanks,
  Darian         
On Oct 1, 2014, at 3:42 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> If you have experienced difficulty obtaining an accessible practice exam, please contact Valerie Yingling at (410) 659-9314, extension 2440, with the following information:
> 
> Name of practice exam and high-stakes test with which it coordinates
> Publisher of the practice exam
> Format sought (electronic screen-reader-compatible format, Braille, or other)
> Date requested
> Outcome of request
> Best
> Derek Manners
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct  1 23:08:22 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 19:08:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <36321E635B2346A981EE6E18942CC488@ownerf49ceb395>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<348F871F-743C-42E4-AB33-CBF052FC4E6B@gmail.com>
	<36321E635B2346A981EE6E18942CC488@ownerf49ceb395>
Message-ID: <EC05D034-B796-4ECE-91E7-DFB79E465D00@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hi Ana, I'm currently at Harvard Law and while I didn't attend high school here, I'd be happy to answer any Boston or MA NFB questions you have. My email is dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu and my cell is 9032716494

Best wishes and good luck

Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 1:42 PM, "Mark J. Cadigan via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Anna,
> 
> 
> 
> I have not attended the Boston Latin School, however I know of blind students who have attended in the past. Also, Boston is an amazing city with wonderful public transportation. Contact me off list if you want me to put you in contact with NFB members from Massachusetts and perhaps some other blind students who have attended Boston Latin School.
> 
> 
> 
> HTH
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ryan Silveira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "Ana Martinez" <martinezana770 at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 1:25 PM
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school options
> 
> 
>> Hi Anna,
>> 
>> You might try the Boston Latin School.  It’s a public prep school, more along the lines of the public boarding schools in Europe.  I think they do take international students.  I know some people who went there for high school, so I can definitely do some research for you if you would like. Feel free to e-mail me off-list at: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com> if you want to know more.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>> 
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 10:13 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>>> 
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Oct  2 01:30:27 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 21:30:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages
Message-ID: <0NCS004SCMW75D71@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Arielle,

First of all, congratulations on your new moderator position for 
this list! I'm sure you'll do a good job regulating discussions 
and prevent these things from happening.

Second, thank you for clearing this out about posting off-topic, 
particularly after that thread David created, as the people who 
replied to that turned the discussion into an argument in my 
opinion.
Also I agree will Elizabeth about  announcements of changes in 
the moderator positions and of the off-topic portion of the 
guidelines.
By the way, just a quick question: would there be any 
consequences for someone who posts off topic messages? Like, say, 
a warning, or a ban from the list? I'm just curious to know this.

Congratulations again for your new mod position, and best wishes 
for that.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 18:40:50 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages

Hello Arielle,

I was not aware of any changes in the moderation of this email 
list.  It was
my understanding that mary Fernandez was the moderator of this 
email list.  I
have sent several emails to her off list regarding this topic 
without
receiving any response.  It would be rather helpful to receive 
some kind of
announcement when changes in the list moderator occur so we can 
contact the
correct person to deal with these kinds of issues off the email 
list.  It
seemed to me that the guidelines Mary posted for posting to this 
email list
were very clear about not posting anything that does not have 
anything to do
with blindness or being a student.  I do not recall seeing any 
exceptions to
these guidelines as part of her poste.  Therefore, I believe 
these guidelines
should apply to everyone who posts to this email list without any
exceptions.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 4:16 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Off-topic list messages

Hi all,
Sean and Mary appointed me as co-moderator for the list, so I 
want to
respond to the recent discussion about the radio show 
advertisements.
Here we have a custom of only posting messages to the list that 
pertain
specifically to blindness.  The main reason for this rule is to 
cut down on
list clutter.  David's radio show announcements are only on-topic 
for the
list if his show happens to be about blindness or NABS.  In this 
case, it is
not.  Labeling the post "o/t" also does nothing to nullify the 
clutter
generated.  And no one is exempt from list rules--not even our 
president.
However, complaining about off-topic posts on the list multiplies 
the
problem by increasing the amount of clutter generated.  A post 
from David
once a month creates a little bit of off-topic clutter, but seven 
replies to
that post is much more of a concern.
I am not aware if the list moderators came to a judgment about 
whether or
not David's radio show announcements would be permitted.  I am 
willing to
entertain off-list feedback from you guys about it, and I think 
Sean as
president should have the final say.  My recommendation is that 
the fairest
thing to do would be to disallow any radio show announcements 
that are
unrelated to blindness.  Otherwise, if we allow David we have to 
allow
everyone else.  I think it's fair to invite anyone who listens to 
David's
show and who wants to receive future announcements off-list to 
email David
directly.
The most important thing, though, is that if you see an off-topic 
post from
anybody here, please do not reply to it on-list, as doing so 
defeats the
purpose of enforcing topic rules.  Instead, please either delete 
it, or send
me, Sean, or Dave Andrews an email off-list stating your concern.  
This will
ensure the list remains as free of on-list clutter as possible.
Thank you for your cooperation in this matter.
Best,
Arielle
arielle71 at gmail.com

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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Oct  2 01:51:11 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 21:51:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a blindness
 organization or society involve working in the real world?
Message-ID: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider 
getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as 
the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real 
world?

I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so 
working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my 
opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out 
there.
I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 
70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 
percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math 
is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains 
the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on 
this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual 
percentages.

So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group 
going out and working in the real world or only in your 
"blindness" world?

I'm looking forward to hearing your views.

Thanks,

Sami.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 01:55:38 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:55:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <003501cfdde3$f7a7d5c0$e6f78140$@gmail.com>

Yes, if it gives you practical work experience on the path to your goals, or
if it just gives you some god experience to put on a resume.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sami Osborne
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2014 9:51 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a blindness
organization or society involve working in the real world?

Hi all,

I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting
involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or
NABS to be going out and working in the real world?

I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working
with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really
a job where you interact with everyone out there.
I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about
70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent
includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's
my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how
much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate
calculation of the actual percentages.

So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out
and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?

I'm looking forward to hearing your views.

Thanks,

Sami.

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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Oct  2 02:37:51 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:37:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <F6B0C562-E0FB-41A5-A327-97D0C675F082@fuse.net>

Yes, on the basic level that's involves changing society's perceptions about blindness. Justin also has several good points.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
> 
> I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
> I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
> 
> So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
> 
> I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Thu Oct  2 02:37:51 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:37:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <F6B0C562-E0FB-41A5-A327-97D0C675F082@fuse.net>

Yes, on the basic level that's involves changing society's perceptions about blindness. Justin also has several good points.


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
> 
> I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
> I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
> 
> So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
> 
> I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 02:53:23 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 19:53:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Meet the Blind on Campus?
Message-ID: <CED3C900-9762-490A-993D-6E22FEBF0092@gmail.com>

Hi all,
 October is meet the blind month.
 meet  the blind month is the one month where we make a   concerted  effort to get out in the community and let people know of the  great work we  do in the National  Federation  of the Blind. 
  We typically make presentations  in community centers, senior centers and any other place where we can get a bit of time and talk in front of people.   We   table  in parks and in front  of stores, we demonstrate braille, the  white cane and talk about how we can live the life we want.
  Are there people on the list  that plan to go about efforts on  their campus?
  Thanks,
   Darian             

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 03:13:42 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 20:13:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <377A5DF0-B0D0-4634-8214-6AFE4753BCBE@gmail.com>

Hello,
  I would say that involvement in the  National Federation of the Blind (of  which the National Association of Blind  Students is a part of) is a  volunteer job, as we are mostly a  volunteer organization.   in the  corse of doing this work, you learn or stay in practice with things such as working as a team, working independently,   public speaking,   effectively communicating, networking and so-on.
 The skills you gain are most certainly  applicable to any job you were to apply for.  Of  corse the more well-rounded you are the more this helps your chances at  a job.
     we believe that  we as blind people can do just about everything a sighted person does, and succeeding in the so-called real world is a part of that.
 so, yes, involvement in a blindness organization  (specifically the NFB, as I can only speak to what I know) can certainly   translate into involvement in the  real  world if you  truly want it to.
   Darian 
                    
On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
> 
> I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
> I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
> 
> So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
> 
> I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 03:17:01 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 01 Oct 2014 22:17:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
 blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <377A5DF0-B0D0-4634-8214-6AFE4753BCBE@gmail.com>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
	<377A5DF0-B0D0-4634-8214-6AFE4753BCBE@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542CC3AD.7000503@gmail.com>

  I think that it has to do partly in working in the real world, in how 
you educate the public; when they see not only you, but others in the 
chapter or group working together, they think "wow if these guys who 
can't see, can do something productive, let's give them a chance in the 
job or wherever"!

El 01/10/2014 10:13 p.m., Darian Smith via nabs-l escribió:
> Hello,
>    I would say that involvement in the  National Federation of the Blind (of  which the National Association of Blind  Students is a part of) is a  volunteer job, as we are mostly a  volunteer organization.   in the  corse of doing this work, you learn or stay in practice with things such as working as a team, working independently,   public speaking,   effectively communicating, networking and so-on.
>   The skills you gain are most certainly  applicable to any job you were to apply for.  Of  corse the more well-rounded you are the more this helps your chances at  a job.
>       we believe that  we as blind people can do just about everything a sighted person does, and succeeding in the so-called real world is a part of that.
>   so, yes, involvement in a blindness organization  (specifically the NFB, as I can only speak to what I know) can certainly   translate into involvement in the  real  world if you  truly want it to.
>     Darian
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
>>
>> I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
>> I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
>>
>> So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
>>
>> I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sami.
>>
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Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 03:33:39 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 22:33:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meet the Blind on Campus?
In-Reply-To: <CED3C900-9762-490A-993D-6E22FEBF0092@gmail.com>
References: <CED3C900-9762-490A-993D-6E22FEBF0092@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8U7OD9rct+RXOw8E8UJTUGvNXt3OnCrUpm7bNi67_mjVg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Darian and all,
I am a student at The University of Texas. I am also a board member
for my local Austin, Texas Chapter.

At the end of the month we will be having an information table in one
of the high traffic areas on campus. We will have literature, visual
displays such as braille writers and will be having cane testing where
a sighted person will put on a blindfold and be able to see what it is
like to use a cane non visually.



On 10/1/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>  October is meet the blind month.
>  meet  the blind month is the one month where we make a   concerted  effort
> to get out in the community and let people know of the  great work we  do in
> the National  Federation  of the Blind.
>   We typically make presentations  in community centers, senior centers and
> any other place where we can get a bit of time and talk in front of people.
>  We   table  in parks and in front  of stores, we demonstrate braille, the
> white cane and talk about how we can live the life we want.
>   Are there people on the list  that plan to go about efforts on  their
> campus?
>   Thanks,
>    Darian
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-- 
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National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 03:40:43 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 23:40:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <CAJMVeY24i48sk-eGfR-JYqdM8+gOzPCUb1tieyKJZhX0xQcvXw@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, any other general tips would still be appreciated by me as well,
especially in regards to international travel as I have not done that
before.

Thanks,

On 10/1/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi
>
> Does anyone have any other tips? I'm planning a 6 week trip. My school
> is being very accommodated but any advise would be appreciated.
>
> Sofia
>
> On 9/29/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti,
>> I have not been to the West Indies; however, I went on a ten-day
>> college trip to Israel, which as you probably know, can be dangerous
>> at times. Our group was heavily staffed and I experienced no problems.
>> I have also been to Romania and Hungary and encountered some
>> over-helpful people but nobody whose attitudes about blindness caused
>> me problems. Have fun!
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 9/29/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Good morning, Kaiti,
>>>
>>> You lucky duck, you!
>>>
>>> I don't think for all the reasons you stated that you will have
>>> problems being hurt, or robbed. your experience in Jamaica will be
>>> memerable and it is not for those reasons.
>>>
>>> A few years ago, I met this Jamaican guy in downtown Denver and fell
>>> in love with patois. Unfortunately, I lost track of Edwin, but at the
>>> Denver main library I checked out all this print material which I
>>> scanned, and read, myself. Yes, Christianaty is definitely a
>>> structural presence of a Jamaican identity and, being that it is so
>>> structural, unlike ornamental Christians you might find here, I don't
>>> think you'll encounter too much of the things you named about
>>> previous experience with Christians. But then, you might be intrigued
>>> by presences of Mama Afrika you might see within culture, and
>>> tradition, if not to say spirituality?
>>> Personally, something that has always intrigued me is how
>>> Christianity as well as other influences are blended with old Afrikan
>>> presences to form West Indian culture. You might wanna read about the
>>> history of the Jamaican experience to better place your own
>>> experiences and other findings into a certain context? Personally, I
>>> really get off on knowing a historical context, and how my findings
>>> of a group is influenced by history, and culture.
>>>
>>> I would love to be treated via a 2nd hand, of your Jamaican
>>> experiences! would love to hear of how blind people are regarded
>>> within such a society. Will you write to me if you find time/resources?
>>> call: 408-209-3239
>>> for today, Car 9/28/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>I have applied for a ten-day study abroad service project to take
>>>>place in June of 2015.  If selected to be a part of this program, I
>>>>will travel to Boston Bay Jamaica and use my music therapy training to
>>>>work with special needs school children, patients at an infirmary on
>>>>the geriatric and psychiatric wards, and in a homeless shelter.  It
>>>>would be a great experience for me, both personally and
>>>>professionally.
>>>>
>>>>I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but I think I have a fair shot of
>>>>getting in.  The interview portion of my application process went
>>>>really well, and I've met all other requirements.  I've already
>>>>discussed accessibility for the course materials and things like
>>>>safety with the program's director, and he seems more than willing to
>>>>accommodate with electronic materials and some extra orientation if I
>>>>need it when I'm at the site.  He told me that all that is left is for
>>>>my professor to give her approval, and she's already told me that she
>>>>thinks this would be great for me and that I have her support.  So,
>>>>all signs look pretty good.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
>>>>everything panns out as expected.
>>>>
>>>>I am now curious as to how others on this list have studied abroad.  I
>>>>realize my situation is a little different because it's short term and
>>>>experiential rather than class work, but there are still aspects of
>>>>the experience I am wondering about.  For example, how did you raise
>>>>the funds to go if that was an issue for you?  How were you received
>>>>in the airport of the country you visitted?  What was it like in the
>>>>country you visitted when locals saw you/talked to you?
>>>>
>>>>I have limitted travel experience.  My first plane ride was to the
>>>>2012 National Convention, and although I navigated both airports like
>>>>a champ and had no problems, I've never had to deal with customs or a
>>>>foreign airport before.  I also can't find anything about how
>>>>Jamaicans view people with disabilities.  I know that Jamaica is a
>>>>very religious country, and that Christianity is the prominent
>>>>religion, but I've had people from various sects of Christianity do
>>>>everything from claiming I was blind because some demon punished me or
>>>>my mother, and others who just acknowledged it for what it was-a
>>>>genetic or physical thing without religious affiliation, and that's
>>>>just in the U.S.  In my research I've also learned about the crime in
>>>>Jamaica, and am a little worried about being an easy target.  The
>>>>program I would be a part of is very well-staffed, and I would never
>>>>be out of the enclosed living area without a staff member to chaperone
>>>>me.  The program also has a 100% track record in ten years for
>>>>students returning home unharmed and with all their belongings, and
>>>>the program's director told me that we'll be in a pretty safe area
>>>>since we'll be in the countryside with local farmers and fishermen who
>>>>know what the students are doing and don't want to bite the hands that
>>>>feed them persay, rather than by the resorts where tourists are taken
>>>>advantage of frequently.  Nevertheless, I want to do everything I can
>>>>to ensure that I am safe if I end up going abroad.  I want to remember
>>>>the trip for the good things and the learning, not for getting hurt or
>>>>losing something valuable.  What extra measures would you experienced
>>>>study abroad students advise I take if selected to go?  Any
>>>>suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone has done study abroad or
>>>>service work in the West Indies before.
>>>>
>>>>--
>>>>Kaiti
>>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 04:33:08 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:33:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Management
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAPce9Yae7rBrdDpQnDwwAS7b8o53die_zmCHdrDRCHAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

President Sean Whalen has appointed me to moderate the list until
another long-term moderator is designated to replace Mary. I am no
longer a student, but I'm not going anywhere, and am happy to stand in
this role foras long or as short as the organization deems fit.
I am going to send out list guidelines in a separate email, and will
recirculate them on the first day of each month. If you see postings
that violate the guidelines, please forward them to me off-list at
arielle71 at gmail.com
I also welcome feedback on ways to improve the list. Please allow up
to 24 hours for me to respond.
Also, I am looking for volunteers to help with the list by starting
discussions, keeping productive ones going, and flagging inappropriate
ones for my attention. Please email me if interested in helping with
the list.
Thanks and here's to some informative, fun list discussions!
Arielle


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 04:42:38 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2014 21:42:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
Message-ID: <CALAYQJABio3U3oj+oHbnyMKurKtP0hxUr=iKY4=22Ma_xyKRbQ@mail.gmail.com>

NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not
allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list
purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs
and announcements about blindness-related research projects are
permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close
down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
D.	If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list
moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than
long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate
for the list.
E. If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this
kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply
and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the
list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not
appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could
result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list
removal.


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Oct  2 04:51:40 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 00:51:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJABio3U3oj+oHbnyMKurKtP0hxUr=iKY4=22Ma_xyKRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJABio3U3oj+oHbnyMKurKtP0hxUr=iKY4=22Ma_xyKRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS401198FB21C99EC8A8722BBBAB90@phx.gbl>

Hello Arielle,

I think these guidelines are very clear and well written. Thank you for taking the time to write them as well as serve as the new list moderator until the position can be permanently filled by someone else. In addition to posting these guidelines to the email list, you may wish to consider posting them on the email list information page as well. The last time I checked to see what was listed there, I did not find anything. It may be helpful to have these guidelines posted there for people to read if they are going there to sign up to be a part of the email list.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:43 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines

NABS List Guidelines

1.	 Be respectful.
A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will not be allowed.
C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a Google search.

2.	Reducing List Clutter
A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs and announcements about blindness-related research projects are permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close down any discussion that is off-topic.
B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
D.	If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate for the list.
E. If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list removal.

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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Thu Oct  2 04:36:54 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 00:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <542CC3AD.7000503@gmail.com>
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	<542CC3AD.7000503@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <12BF9D65-707F-426C-8D70-CECAC5D9E7E6@aol.com>

Hi Sami,
The population of people with any disability varies. I think your idea of creating a dividing line distinguishing individuals who are blind from those who are sighted in their own works is not possible. Ask yourself do you do the same tasks every individual does from day to day? I bet you do. I amp repaired for you to say wait, I do things differently. So does every other person on the planet. 
Do not think because you can not see you have to work with those who can not see. I demand society shift their paradigm but, I can't demand anything unless I show a new way of thinking. I know my tone is harsh but, I refuse to let any individual tell me what I can make of my life. 
I want to teach regular education high school English and believe me I will do it.
I hope this gives you some insight.
Best,
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 1, 26 Heisei, at 11:17 PM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think that it has to do partly in working in the real world, in how you educate the public; when they see not only you, but others in the chapter or group working together, they think "wow if these guys who can't see, can do something productive, let's give them a chance in the job or wherever"!
> 
> El 01/10/2014 10:13 p.m., Darian Smith via nabs-l escribió:
>> Hello,
>>   I would say that involvement in the  National Federation of the Blind (of  which the National Association of Blind  Students is a part of) is a  volunteer job, as we are mostly a  volunteer organization.   in the  corse of doing this work, you learn or stay in practice with things such as working as a team, working independently,   public speaking,   effectively communicating, networking and so-on.
>>  The skills you gain are most certainly  applicable to any job you were to apply for.  Of  corse the more well-rounded you are the more this helps your chances at  a job.
>>      we believe that  we as blind people can do just about everything a sighted person does, and succeeding in the so-called real world is a part of that.
>>  so, yes, involvement in a blindness organization  (specifically the NFB, as I can only speak to what I know) can certainly   translate into involvement in the  real  world if you  truly want it to.
>>    Darian
>> 
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 6:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
>>> 
>>> I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
>>> I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
>>> 
>>> So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
>>> 
>>> I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Sami.
>>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Thu Oct  2 05:02:41 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 00:02:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS401198FB21C99EC8A8722BBBAB90@phx.gbl>
References: <CALAYQJABio3U3oj+oHbnyMKurKtP0hxUr=iKY4=22Ma_xyKRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS401198FB21C99EC8A8722BBBAB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP2890B07C0B50FD784ACA9DCEB90@phx.gbl>

Hello, I grew with Elizabeth. But what I think could happen, as also is trying to put them up on the website maybe it will be easier to put them in the attached file or friend some way to upload file into the System and have it go out as well as a password reminder. So you would get two e-mails per month from the owners list e-mail.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Arielle,
> 
> I think these guidelines are very clear and well written. Thank you for taking the time to write them as well as serve as the new list moderator until the position can be permanently filled by someone else. In addition to posting these guidelines to the email list, you may wish to consider posting them on the email list information page as well. The last time I checked to see what was listed there, I did not find anything. It may be helpful to have these guidelines posted there for people to read if they are going there to sign up to be a part of the email list.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> 
> NABS List Guidelines
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 11:24:39 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 05:24:39 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0SuMbasnf_r6wnNL-+2YqgXfQrt7mQ73Qoq-55b3W1Jm7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SuMbasnf_r6wnNL-+2YqgXfQrt7mQ73Qoq-55b3W1Jm7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <430E6F67-AD4B-4099-8001-0FB969665AA1@gmail.com>

All of them are good ideas! Another problem that I have is that I don't have anywhere to live

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:44 AM, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi Ana,
> I would love for you to stay in Colorado.
> I have 2 recommendations for you.
> You can come to Alameda International where I go. Alameda Internation
> teaches a great International curriculum. You are learning the same
> thing that every achild in other countries are learning, and there are
> some amazing teachers.
> Also, you can go to William C. Hinkley High School in Aurora Colorado.
> Hinkley is listed as one of the best schools in Colorado. And a very
> good friend of mine goes there.
> Let me know if you have questions!
> JJ
> 
>> On 10/1/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>> 
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> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
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> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
> Chapter of the NFB.
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From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Thu Oct  2 12:02:53 2014
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 14:02:53 +0200
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FbnLmGsU6vwqiiO7tSwQraE=zK+jGsvLaRd8ziR0Bf1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>
	<54299a29.4588e00a.6940.ffff8cd1SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJB+DEq6Mu9NzdTfkL1xv1=+B-HQu081ROFgWfFw9apPww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAJMVeY24i48sk-eGfR-JYqdM8+gOzPCUb1tieyKJZhX0xQcvXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbnLmGsU6vwqiiO7tSwQraE=zK+jGsvLaRd8ziR0Bf1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <238E0C02-72F8-4482-A037-3C7B4F6AFF06@ymail.com>

BS"D

Sofia,

Which European country will you study in? Are you planning to visit some other countries while you are here? It will be easier to help if we had some more information.

LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg

From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:29:07 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
Message-ID: <128BF90C-AB3B-4948-B3C3-3BBE64BFF09D@gmail.com>

Hello, 
I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one person replied back to my question.
Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th, 11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the student division. 
The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the student division.
Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will vote for me. 
All i know is that the other person that is running for president does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will have to pay a quarter. 
The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago. 
He does not know that i am also running.   
 


Shikha. 

From tyler at tysdomain.com  Thu Oct  2 14:38:40 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 10:38:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
In-Reply-To: <128BF90C-AB3B-4948-B3C3-3BBE64BFF09D@gmail.com>
References: <128BF90C-AB3B-4948-B3C3-3BBE64BFF09D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <542D6370.4010609@tysdomain.com>

Hello:
I think before you run for any board position, you should ask the 
current president or whoever holds that position to tell you exactly 
what is required and explain what you will have to do. Running for any 
position is not about being able to recite a pledge; does me knowing the 
pledge mean I should be governor of a state? It might mean that your 
pledge is something to build on, if the values are values you can agree 
with, but don't base your speech only on the fact that you've memorized 
a pledge. Second, you should be working on your speech based on what you 
plan to do, not trying to find keywords to use for people to vote for you.

HTH,
On 10/2/2014 10:29 AM, Shikha via nabs-l wrote:
> Hello,
> I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one person replied back to my question.
> Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th, 11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the student division.
> The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the student division.
> Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will vote for me.
> All i know is that the other person that is running for president does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will have to pay a quarter.
> The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago.
> He does not know that i am also running.
>   
>
>
> Shikha.
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Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 14:50:20 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 07:50:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
In-Reply-To: <128BF90C-AB3B-4948-B3C3-3BBE64BFF09D@gmail.com>
References: <128BF90C-AB3B-4948-B3C3-3BBE64BFF09D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A285C97D-ED77-44C2-9488-D1EFDC173311@gmail.com>

Good Morning shikha and all,
   The Politics of elections  can be a little complicated at times, but here are some basic pointers.
 The first thing yo want to do is be in conversation  with your  Affiliate President. They will want to hear from you and will be delighted that you wish to  become involved in the Federation as  a member of the  Georgia  Association of Blind Students.
 It is typically a good thing to tell the current student division president that you  intend to run , as they would appreciate  knowing this.  In both cases don’t be afraid to get their thoughts and reccomondations for you.
 One thing I have learned over  time is that it is always a good idea to run a positive, and respectful campaign. 
  this is to say  that as much as you can, you certainly want  to talk up  the skills and  experiences you have and how they will lend  themselves  to the job more than you  want to talk about what the other candidate  doesn’t do so well.
  Another thing is that you really want to show that you want the job. the presidency of any chapter, division, or  affiliate is hard work and it most of the time involves long hours, especially if you want to do the job well.  You are working with   diverse personalities and trying to join each of them  together in working in the same direction for the sake of the common goal of making sure that the blind can live the lives they want.
 I believe that I’m probably  repeating some of the stuff you got the first go-round, and  I am sorry if so.
 another great resource for you is the NABS Board,  many of them have served as  president of their student division, and all of them have some real good insights to leadership and more.
  I hope this helps.
  feel free to contact me off-list if any of this is unclear or further resources are needed.
  Best,
  Darian           
On Oct 2, 2014, at 7:29 AM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello, 
> I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one person replied back to my question.
> Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th, 11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the student division. 
> The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the student division.
> Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will vote for me. 
> All i know is that the other person that is running for president does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will have to pay a quarter. 
> The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago. 
> He does not know that i am also running.   
> 
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 15:10:53 2014
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 08:10:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
In-Reply-To: <430E6F67-AD4B-4099-8001-0FB969665AA1@gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt0ZpqMGC+u062C-r2cYeXWDkAR-AgLCx0ht7XjaUxgUaQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAOiA0SuMbasnf_r6wnNL-+2YqgXfQrt7mQ73Qoq-55b3W1Jm7A@mail.gmail.com>
	<430E6F67-AD4B-4099-8001-0FB969665AA1@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOiA0SvxxZ4+gRy_o-Nvd1+7GKYviVv205RJ1jTRLwD3AD=qDA@mail.gmail.com>

Ana, if you choose a school in Colorado, you can stay with me.
Thanks,
JJ

On 10/2/14, martinezana770 at gmail.com <martinezana770 at gmail.com> wrote:
> All of them are good ideas! Another problem that I have is that I don't have
> anywhere to live
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:44 AM, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Ana,
>> I would love for you to stay in Colorado.
>> I have 2 recommendations for you.
>> You can come to Alameda International where I go. Alameda Internation
>> teaches a great International curriculum. You are learning the same
>> thing that every achild in other countries are learning, and there are
>> some amazing teachers.
>> Also, you can go to William C. Hinkley High School in Aurora Colorado.
>> Hinkley is listed as one of the best schools in Colorado. And a very
>> good friend of mine goes there.
>> Let me know if you have questions!
>> JJ
>>
>>> On 10/1/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>
>> --
>> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
>> 9th Grade Student
>> Alameda International High School
>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
>> Chapter of the NFB.
>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
>> Skype: jj.duran13
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
>


-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  2 20:35:29 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 16:35:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
Message-ID: <542db744.4508320a.232d.6415@mx.google.com>

Hi Shikha,

Why do you want to run for president of the student division?  
It's very unusual for someone who isn't on the board of an 
organization to start out working with that organization by 
running for president.  Perhaps you could consider running for 
one of the board member positions and serve for a couple years 
before running for president.  If you did that you'd be able to 
see what the duties of the president are by observing the 
president you're working with.  Also, just a point of advice, I 
would never vote for someone who based their candidacy on the 
fact that they're opponent didn't know a pledge.  That's 
completely irrelevant to whether someone can do a good job as 
president.  A good candidate is involved with the organization 
they want to serve on the board of enough to know what the duties 
of the position they're running for are and has something they 
want to accomplish on the board beyond just being on the board.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division

Hello,
I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one 
person replied back to my question.
Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th, 
11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the 
student division.
The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the 
student division.
Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will 
vote for me.
All i know is that the other person that is running for president 
does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my 
speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member 
on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will 
have to pay a quarter.
The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me 
when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago.
He does not know that i am also running.



Shikha.
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 00:05:15 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 02 Oct 2014 20:05:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rewh Meet the Blind On Campus
Message-ID: <542de848.af278c0a.27d0.07a6@mx.google.com>

Hi  all,

 This month I will try to educate my fellow students about 
blindness.  Last week I had the opportunity to do this while I 
was waiting for one of my classes to begin.  Someone came up and 
asked me how my ghrlNote Apex works.  I told them that it has a 
braille display with 32 cells.  I also explained all the things 
that it can do.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 02:31:34 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:31:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
In-Reply-To: <542db744.4508320a.232d.6415@mx.google.com>
References: <542db744.4508320a.232d.6415@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZGPNDXEqBujyLD8vAZfuxX=fuL-O3-Y_Yv9thob3gRYw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shikha and all,

I have a couple of things to add in addition to the great points
others have already made.  Before elections, I would recommend you
spend some time figuring out exactly why you want to run for
president.  If it is because you truly think you could do a better job
than the current president, and that you feel you have qualities which
could be real strengths in leading the division to a productive and
meaningful year ahead, then by all means run.  If this is the case, I
would recommend that you also identify things you'd like to positively
change for the division, and get a plan together so people will know
that you're dedicated enough to have thought through what you would
want to accomplish if you were indeed elected president.  If you are
doing it to beat out your friend, or for a reason like you want the
role of president for reasons other than what I mentioned earlier,
then I don't know if those are the best reasons for wanting to become
president.  The president of any organization is kind of like the
go-to person; you can have different officers and committee chairs,
but if something goes wrong and those people don't know what decision
to make, they're going to come to you wanting to know what their
course of action should be.  The president is also in charge of the
paperwork for the division; I know in my state division in the past
year I have had to organize meetings to update our constitution, send
out necessary emails to various people as well as our list serve, and
just recently completed a lengthy packet which our state awards
committee will review for any honors the division might receive.  I
also needed to compile a roster of current members, make sure a copy
of the constitution got to the president of our affiliate, the
president of NABS, and the president of the NFB in Baltimore.
Furthermore, our division set up a bank account so we could fundraise
a few months ago, and I had to co-sign all the paperwork for that
account along with the treasurer for the division.  You have to do all
the grunt work like making sure your division is in compliance with
the bilaws, troubleshoot problems, and sometimes be willing to travel
to affiliate events like board meetings (I and several of the Ohio
division's board members just did that a few weeks ago as well).  It's
not all representing the NFB on the front lines all the time, and if
you're president you have to be willing to do that work in addition to
working with members of your division, your affiliate, and NABS.

As far as election etiquette is concerned, I think that in addition to
speaking about your plans to run for president with your affiliate and
current division presidents, that you should also inform your opponent
out of courtesy.  You don't necessarily have to, but plenty of people
do it just out of consideration for the other person.
If, after thinking these things and the points others have made
through, you decide that running for president isn't the best option
right now, try running for another officer position or for a spot on
the board.  You can learn a lot about how to run an organization by
being a member in another capacity, and some of the duties of other
officers can be really fun.  I was secretary my first year in OABS,
and loved it so much that sometimes even now I miss taking minutes.
If you decide to run for president, good luck in your campaign.

I hope this helps.

On 10/2/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Shikha,
>
> Why do you want to run for president of the student division?
> It's very unusual for someone who isn't on the board of an
> organization to start out working with that organization by
> running for president.  Perhaps you could consider running for
> one of the board member positions and serve for a couple years
> before running for president.  If you did that you'd be able to
> see what the duties of the president are by observing the
> president you're working with.  Also, just a point of advice, I
> would never vote for someone who based their candidacy on the
> fact that they're opponent didn't know a pledge.  That's
> completely irrelevant to whether someone can do a good job as
> president.  A good candidate is involved with the organization
> they want to serve on the board of enough to know what the duties
> of the position they're running for are and has something they
> want to accomplish on the board beyond just being on the board.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:07 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
>
> Hello,
> I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one
> person replied back to my question.
> Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th,
> 11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the
> student division.
> The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the
> student division.
> Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will
> vote for me.
> All i know is that the other person that is running for president
> does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my
> speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member
> on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will
> have to pay a quarter.
> The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me
> when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago.
> He does not know that i am also running.
>
>
>
> Shikha.
> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 02:32:54 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 22:32:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school options
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Again, I think the first step is to contact whatever agency you're
going through to study abroad.  Depending on what your options for
schools are and where you decide to go, they will be the ones to help
you find a host family to stay with.

On 10/2/14, johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ana, if you choose a school in Colorado, you can stay with me.
> Thanks,
> JJ
>
> On 10/2/14, martinezana770 at gmail.com <martinezana770 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> All of them are good ideas! Another problem that I have is that I don't
>> have
>> anywhere to live
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:44 AM, johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Ana,
>>> I would love for you to stay in Colorado.
>>> I have 2 recommendations for you.
>>> You can come to Alameda International where I go. Alameda Internation
>>> teaches a great International curriculum. You are learning the same
>>> thing that every achild in other countries are learning, and there are
>>> some amazing teachers.
>>> Also, you can go to William C. Hinkley High School in Aurora Colorado.
>>> Hinkley is listed as one of the best schools in Colorado. And a very
>>> good friend of mine goes there.
>>> Let me know if you have questions!
>>> JJ
>>>
>>>> On 10/1/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> hi All. as some of you know I am an international student currently
>>>> studying in Colorado, I am studying my junior year of high school. I
>>>> would like to stay in America for my senior year of high school but I
>>>> am not sure where could I study. any suggestions, thanks
>>>>
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>>> 9th Grade Student
>>> Alameda International High School
>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
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>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
>>> Chapter of the NFB.
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>>
>
>
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> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
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> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 03:06:25 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:06:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <238E0C02-72F8-4482-A037-3C7B4F6AFF06@ymail.com>
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Sorry for the lack of info ... the programs are in UK and Germany. The
problem with studying abroad is that you have to apply now, but you
don't know where you will actually go until around March and make a
decision in April to leave in June...but if you wait to plan
everything until April there won't be enough time ... hence the
ambiguity about where I'm actually going.

I guess my question is more general: has anyone studied abroad
somewhere? What was it like and what accommodations did you get? these
are general questions that apply to almost any country you go to :)

Sofia

On 10/2/14, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> BS"D
>
> Sofia,
>
> Which European country will you study in? Are you planning to visit some
> other countries while you are here? It will be easier to help if we had some
> more information.
>
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 03:07:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 20:07:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <BLU437-SMTP2890B07C0B50FD784ACA9DCEB90@phx.gbl>
References: <CALAYQJABio3U3oj+oHbnyMKurKtP0hxUr=iKY4=22Ma_xyKRbQ@mail.gmail.com>
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	<BLU437-SMTP2890B07C0B50FD784ACA9DCEB90@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDgkE=pU2bMzZLzagirUEF+4R=iet+Jte_nsKp0+Vjh_g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I'm not sure if the NFBNet system accommodates attachments, but we
will send the guidelines around on the first of each month.
Arielle

On 10/1/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, I grew with Elizabeth. But what I think could happen, as also is
> trying to put them up on the website maybe it will be easier to put them in
> the attached file or friend some way to upload file into the System and have
> it go out as well as a password reminder. So you would get two e-mails per
> month from the owners list e-mail.
> Joseph Hudson
> jhud7789 at outlook.com
>
>
>
> On Oct 1, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello Arielle,
>>
>> I think these guidelines are very clear and well written. Thank you for
>> taking the time to write them as well as serve as the new list moderator
>> until the position can be permanently filled by someone else. In addition
>> to posting these guidelines to the email list, you may wish to consider
>> posting them on the email list information page as well. The last time I
>> checked to see what was listed there, I did not find anything. It may be
>> helpful to have these guidelines posted there for people to read if they
>> are going there to sign up to be a part of the email list.
>>
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
>> Silverman via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 12:43 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
>>
>> NABS List Guidelines
>>
>> 1.	 Be respectful.
>> A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
>> opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a post,
>> always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and personal
>> attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
>> B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including readers
>> younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will not be
>> allowed.
>> C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
>> respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their lives or
>> experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using their name,
>> their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if you post your
>> phone number on list, others could access it via a Google search.
>>
>> 2.	Reducing List Clutter
>> A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues related
>> to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion or politics,
>> advertisements, queries asking to add list members on social media, or any
>> other posts unrelated to blindness are not allowed, as they create too
>> much list clutter unrelated to the list purpose. The exception is that
>> advertisements for blindness programs and announcements about
>> blindness-related research projects are permitted. The moderators and NABS
>> board reserve the right to close down any discussion that is off-topic.
>> B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
>> or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a topic.
>> Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation, instead of
>> just saying “I agree”.
>> C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
>> with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not have to
>> write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
>> If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they feel
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>> Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than long threads
>> debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate for the list.
>> E. If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
>> receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this kind. If
>> you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply and make your
>> case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the list committee has
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>> Repeated violations of the guidelines could result in disciplinary action
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 03:12:16 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 20:12:16 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <CAJMVeY1-Y7hty9oY528owUSQaOHWzxpAPoOhLLVZCYXbY7rbDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Sofia,
I studied in Australia and worked with the disability office there to
get course readers in electronic format. I requested this about two
months ahead of time. It sounds like your school might be willing to
help with this.
I also had four O&M lessons to learn the campus. The study-abroad
director in Melbourne organized this. For a six-week trip it may not
be necessary and I know O&M is not available in all countries. You
could also ask someone from the host country to orient you; it really
doesn't have to be an O&M professional. Most of the neighborhood stuff
I learned on my own or from my dorm-mates. By the end of my stay Iwas
riding trains independently all over the city.
Arielle

On 10/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sorry for the lack of info ... the programs are in UK and Germany. The
> problem with studying abroad is that you have to apply now, but you
> don't know where you will actually go until around March and make a
> decision in April to leave in June...but if you wait to plan
> everything until April there won't be enough time ... hence the
> ambiguity about where I'm actually going.
>
> I guess my question is more general: has anyone studied abroad
> somewhere? What was it like and what accommodations did you get? these
> are general questions that apply to almost any country you go to :)
>
> Sofia
>
> On 10/2/14, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> BS"D
>>
>> Sofia,
>>
>> Which European country will you study in? Are you planning to visit some
>> other countries while you are here? It will be easier to help if we had
>> some
>> more information.
>>
>> LeSholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 03:28:26 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:28:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCadZOd+0V59EuoLfDu-_2CV_cq2Gi4rtcMQ3R=oF0nCQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks so much Arielle! My school is also willing to help with the
orientation aspect which makes things a lot better.

On 10/2/14, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Sofia,
> I studied in Australia and worked with the disability office there to
> get course readers in electronic format. I requested this about two
> months ahead of time. It sounds like your school might be willing to
> help with this.
> I also had four O&M lessons to learn the campus. The study-abroad
> director in Melbourne organized this. For a six-week trip it may not
> be necessary and I know O&M is not available in all countries. You
> could also ask someone from the host country to orient you; it really
> doesn't have to be an O&M professional. Most of the neighborhood stuff
> I learned on my own or from my dorm-mates. By the end of my stay Iwas
> riding trains independently all over the city.
> Arielle
>
> On 10/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Sorry for the lack of info ... the programs are in UK and Germany. The
>> problem with studying abroad is that you have to apply now, but you
>> don't know where you will actually go until around March and make a
>> decision in April to leave in June...but if you wait to plan
>> everything until April there won't be enough time ... hence the
>> ambiguity about where I'm actually going.
>>
>> I guess my question is more general: has anyone studied abroad
>> somewhere? What was it like and what accommodations did you get? these
>> are general questions that apply to almost any country you go to :)
>>
>> Sofia
>>
>> On 10/2/14, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> BS"D
>>>
>>> Sofia,
>>>
>>> Which European country will you study in? Are you planning to visit some
>>> other countries while you are here? It will be easier to help if we had
>>> some
>>> more information.
>>>
>>> LeSholom,
>>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>
>>
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 03:38:18 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:38:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZGPNDXEqBujyLD8vAZfuxX=fuL-O3-Y_Yv9thob3gRYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <542db744.4508320a.232d.6415@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <A19BCC7B-DEF0-457F-A03A-DBE31C323A44@gmail.com>

Thanks so much 
This helps a lot.

Shikha. 

> On Oct 2, 2014, at 10:31 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Shikha and all,
> 
> I have a couple of things to add in addition to the great points
> others have already made.  Before elections, I would recommend you
> spend some time figuring out exactly why you want to run for
> president.  If it is because you truly think you could do a better job
> than the current president, and that you feel you have qualities which
> could be real strengths in leading the division to a productive and
> meaningful year ahead, then by all means run.  If this is the case, I
> would recommend that you also identify things you'd like to positively
> change for the division, and get a plan together so people will know
> that you're dedicated enough to have thought through what you would
> want to accomplish if you were indeed elected president.  If you are
> doing it to beat out your friend, or for a reason like you want the
> role of president for reasons other than what I mentioned earlier,
> then I don't know if those are the best reasons for wanting to become
> president.  The president of any organization is kind of like the
> go-to person; you can have different officers and committee chairs,
> but if something goes wrong and those people don't know what decision
> to make, they're going to come to you wanting to know what their
> course of action should be.  The president is also in charge of the
> paperwork for the division; I know in my state division in the past
> year I have had to organize meetings to update our constitution, send
> out necessary emails to various people as well as our list serve, and
> just recently completed a lengthy packet which our state awards
> committee will review for any honors the division might receive.  I
> also needed to compile a roster of current members, make sure a copy
> of the constitution got to the president of our affiliate, the
> president of NABS, and the president of the NFB in Baltimore.
> Furthermore, our division set up a bank account so we could fundraise
> a few months ago, and I had to co-sign all the paperwork for that
> account along with the treasurer for the division.  You have to do all
> the grunt work like making sure your division is in compliance with
> the bilaws, troubleshoot problems, and sometimes be willing to travel
> to affiliate events like board meetings (I and several of the Ohio
> division's board members just did that a few weeks ago as well).  It's
> not all representing the NFB on the front lines all the time, and if
> you're president you have to be willing to do that work in addition to
> working with members of your division, your affiliate, and NABS.
> 
> As far as election etiquette is concerned, I think that in addition to
> speaking about your plans to run for president with your affiliate and
> current division presidents, that you should also inform your opponent
> out of courtesy.  You don't necessarily have to, but plenty of people
> do it just out of consideration for the other person.
> If, after thinking these things and the points others have made
> through, you decide that running for president isn't the best option
> right now, try running for another officer position or for a spot on
> the board.  You can learn a lot about how to run an organization by
> being a member in another capacity, and some of the duties of other
> officers can be really fun.  I was secretary my first year in OABS,
> and loved it so much that sometimes even now I miss taking minutes.
> If you decide to run for president, good luck in your campaign.
> 
> I hope this helps.
> 
>> On 10/2/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Shikha,
>> 
>> Why do you want to run for president of the student division?
>> It's very unusual for someone who isn't on the board of an
>> organization to start out working with that organization by
>> running for president.  Perhaps you could consider running for
>> one of the board member positions and serve for a couple years
>> before running for president.  If you did that you'd be able to
>> see what the duties of the president are by observing the
>> president you're working with.  Also, just a point of advice, I
>> would never vote for someone who based their candidacy on the
>> fact that they're opponent didn't know a pledge.  That's
>> completely irrelevant to whether someone can do a good job as
>> president.  A good candidate is involved with the organization
>> they want to serve on the board of enough to know what the duties
>> of the position they're running for are and has something they
>> want to accomplish on the board beyond just being on the board.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 10:29:07 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] President for the student division
>> 
>> Hello,
>> I know that i have asked this question in the past, but only one
>> person replied back to my question.
>> Our state convention for georgia is next Friday on October 10th,
>> 11th, and 12th and i would like to run as president for the
>> student division.
>> The problem is that i do not know what a president does for the
>> student division.
>> Also, i am not sure what i should say in my speech so people will
>> vote for me.
>> All i know is that the other person that is running for president
>> does not know the NFB pledge, so i will be mentioning in my
>> speech that i know the pledge and i will call on a random member
>> on the board to say it.  If they do not know it then they will
>> have to pay a quarter.
>> The reason that i know that he is running is because he told me
>> when we went on a mentoring trip few weeks ago.
>> He does not know that i am also running.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Shikha.
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 04:00:57 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:00:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] =?windows-1252?q?Why_I_am_a_Federationist=3A_A_Partial?=
 =?windows-1252?q?=92s_Perspective?=
Message-ID: <1ECA3EE6-E624-44BB-94A2-54D7EF6C1FBB@gmail.com>

 Hi all,
 I found this  and wanted to get people’s thoughts here.
 Most people think that the NFB is only for people who are totally blind.
 
 do you think  it to be true? and what does this piece offer you once you read it?
   
 BEst,
   Darian
  
 

Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s Perspective
by Meleah Jensen

Henry David Thoreau once said "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life to front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and that when I came to die discover that I had not lived.” Just as Thoreau went in to the woods, I went to the NFB. I am a federationist because it has been only through my learning about and becoming a part of the federation that I have truly begun to live deliberately, and suck out the marrow of life.

When I was growing up, I had no positive blind role models, nor did I see myself as being blind. To me the word blind had an extremely negative connotation, and was definitely something I did not want to be. It wasn’t until I was introduced to the NFB that I gained not only positive role models, but also a better understanding of what being blind truly meant. 

I had my first exposure to the NFB during my freshman year of high school when my VI teacher gave me a letter telling about a student seminar in Ruston Louisiana. My first thought was where in the world is Ruston? 

I went to the seminar not exactly sure of what to expect; little did I know that not only was I opening the door to great future opportunities, but I was also laying the bricks of my foundation towards a positive attitude about blindness. I came away from that weekend amazed by what I had seen. I will always remember many of the events of the weekend but there is one that will stand out in my mind the most. On that Saturday afternoon we were sent on a scavenger hunt. We were divided up into groups and given a list of things to locate and bring back from various spots in town (for those of you who don’t know, Ruston is small enough to permit this to be done easily). The leader of my group was totally blind; I had absolutely no idea how we would go about doing this since she seemed to be the only one who supposedly knew her way around Ruston. We set out on our journey around town. I was utterly amazed how well she knew the town. No blind person I had met before could walk around a room without assistance much less a whole town. It was during that experience that I realized that there actually were blind people who could function independently. 

Over the next couple of years, I continued to build my philosophy through attending student seminars, and talking with positive blind people. In 1998 I attended the Summer Training and Employment Project (STEP) at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. While in the STEP program I was taut Braille, cane travel, and many other important skills. I was also given the opportunity to attend my first national convention. In addition to all of this the STEP program is where I began to shape my philosophy into what it is today. It made me start to realize just why it was important to be a part of the federation. For the first time I realized that I was not alone. I had a network of people just like me. They not only understood, but also lived and overcame some of the very same issues I had been struggling with every day. 

Through this shared understanding it became more and more apparent to me that I was in fact blind. Since these federationists were normal and shared many of my experiences, it slowly became ok for me to admit that I too was blind. Unfortunately, this process didn't occur over night. I was a little resistant at first it took a few years for me to fully understand just what being in the federation could truly be about. During my freshman year of college I began to realize that the quote sighted way” of doing things would not always work well for me. I had been able to depend on my sight for so long that it took me a while to accept that it no longer was the most efficient way to accomplish things. Unfortunately by the time I had realized this I had to struggle through many tough situations such as trying to take print notes in a dark classroom. After I would return from class I would look at my notes and see that I had to rewrite them because they were extremely sloppy. I also had problems traveling around at night. I walked slowly, and I found it hard to keep up with my friends. I still went out at night, but I found myself looking really awkward. Actually I found myself looking awkward in a lot of areas because of my lack of skills. Once I knew and accepted that I needed the skills of blindness in order to be successful I made the decision to attend the centers adult training program. It was during my time at the center that my transformation was completed. I not only grew in my attitudes towards blindness, but in my skills and confidence in my self as well. 

Since completing my training I have returned to school. I have compared my experiences then and now and they are like night and day! I still have things that I have problems accomplishing in the course of a day, but now I can say that I have those problems simply because there aren’t enough hours in the day, not because of my blindness getting in the way; but what college student sighted or blind doesn’t have these issues? 

Through all of these experiences, I too have become a federationist. I am now a part of that network of blind people that has come to mean so much to me throughout many aspects of my life. I am so glad to be able to be a part of an organization like the NFB. Now that I have finally recognized that I am blind and that it is truly respectable to be blind I have the chance, through this organization, to share my knowledge and experiences with others. 

It is so important for us as blind people to work together in the federation to live our movement each day and share our philosophy with others. By doing this we will all be able to live deliberately and suck out all the marrow of life. 


	

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Fri Oct  3 04:39:41 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 00:39:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l]
 =?utf-8?q?Why_I_am_a_Federationist=3A_A_Partial=E2=80=99?=
 =?utf-8?q?s_Perspective?=
In-Reply-To: <1ECA3EE6-E624-44BB-94A2-54D7EF6C1FBB@gmail.com>
References: <1ECA3EE6-E624-44BB-94A2-54D7EF6C1FBB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14110DAD-0BAA-410F-B856-FEF2643BB2D9@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

As someone who has the legal threshold minimum  for being considered blind, I couldn't agree more with this piece. While i can rely on my sight for a number of things, I still utilize techniques to overcome difficulties that arise due to poor vision. Furthermore, many of the issues that affect me, transportation, accessible education and work place materials, technology, etc, are issues that I can't change alone but can begin to make step by step improvements within society with the help of my new federation family. 

The NFB is for everyone who has trouble seeing, no matter how good your sight is, relatively speaking of course. We are all blind even if it isn't always easy to admit our limitations as partially sighted individuals. 

Best wishes 
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I found this  and wanted to get people’s thoughts here.
> Most people think that the NFB is only for people who are totally blind.
> 
> do you think  it to be true? and what does this piece offer you once you read it?
> 
> BEst,
>   Darian
> 
> 
> 
> Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s Perspective
> by Meleah Jensen
> 
> Henry David Thoreau once said "I went to the woods because I wished to live deliberately, I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of life to front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and that when I came to die discover that I had not lived.” Just as Thoreau went in to the woods, I went to the NFB. I am a federationist because it has been only through my learning about and becoming a part of the federation that I have truly begun to live deliberately, and suck out the marrow of life.
> 
> When I was growing up, I had no positive blind role models, nor did I see myself as being blind. To me the word blind had an extremely negative connotation, and was definitely something I did not want to be. It wasn’t until I was introduced to the NFB that I gained not only positive role models, but also a better understanding of what being blind truly meant. 
> 
> I had my first exposure to the NFB during my freshman year of high school when my VI teacher gave me a letter telling about a student seminar in Ruston Louisiana. My first thought was where in the world is Ruston? 
> 
> I went to the seminar not exactly sure of what to expect; little did I know that not only was I opening the door to great future opportunities, but I was also laying the bricks of my foundation towards a positive attitude about blindness. I came away from that weekend amazed by what I had seen. I will always remember many of the events of the weekend but there is one that will stand out in my mind the most. On that Saturday afternoon we were sent on a scavenger hunt. We were divided up into groups and given a list of things to locate and bring back from various spots in town (for those of you who don’t know, Ruston is small enough to permit this to be done easily). The leader of my group was totally blind; I had absolutely no idea how we would go about doing this since she seemed to be the only one who supposedly knew her way around Ruston. We set out on our journey around town. I was utterly amazed how well she knew the town. No blind person I had met before could walk around a room without assistance much less a whole town. It was during that experience that I realized that there actually were blind people who could function independently. 
> 
> Over the next couple of years, I continued to build my philosophy through attending student seminars, and talking with positive blind people. In 1998 I attended the Summer Training and Employment Project (STEP) at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. While in the STEP program I was taut Braille, cane travel, and many other important skills. I was also given the opportunity to attend my first national convention. In addition to all of this the STEP program is where I began to shape my philosophy into what it is today. It made me start to realize just why it was important to be a part of the federation. For the first time I realized that I was not alone. I had a network of people just like me. They not only understood, but also lived and overcame some of the very same issues I had been struggling with every day. 
> 
> Through this shared understanding it became more and more apparent to me that I was in fact blind. Since these federationists were normal and shared many of my experiences, it slowly became ok for me to admit that I too was blind. Unfortunately, this process didn't occur over night. I was a little resistant at first it took a few years for me to fully understand just what being in the federation could truly be about. During my freshman year of college I began to realize that the quote sighted way” of doing things would not always work well for me. I had been able to depend on my sight for so long that it took me a while to accept that it no longer was the most efficient way to accomplish things. Unfortunately by the time I had realized this I had to struggle through many tough situations such as trying to take print notes in a dark classroom. After I would return from class I would look at my notes and see that I had to rewrite them because they were extremely sloppy. I also had problems traveling around at night. I walked slowly, and I found it hard to keep up with my friends. I still went out at night, but I found myself looking really awkward. Actually I found myself looking awkward in a lot of areas because of my lack of skills. Once I knew and accepted that I needed the skills of blindness in order to be successful I made the decision to attend the centers adult training program. It was during my time at the center that my transformation was completed. I not only grew in my attitudes towards blindness, but in my skills and confidence in my self as well. 
> 
> Since completing my training I have returned to school. I have compared my experiences then and now and they are like night and day! I still have things that I have problems accomplishing in the course of a day, but now I can say that I have those problems simply because there aren’t enough hours in the day, not because of my blindness getting in the way; but what college student sighted or blind doesn’t have these issues? 
> 
> Through all of these experiences, I too have become a federationist. I am now a part of that network of blind people that has come to mean so much to me throughout many aspects of my life. I am so glad to be able to be a part of an organization like the NFB. Now that I have finally recognized that I am blind and that it is truly respectable to be blind I have the chance, through this organization, to share my knowledge and experiences with others. 
> 
> It is so important for us as blind people to work together in the federation to live our movement each day and share our philosophy with others. By doing this we will all be able to live deliberately and suck out all the marrow of life. 
> 
> 
>    
> _______________________________________________
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From michael.capelle at charter.net  Fri Oct  3 04:44:07 2014
From: michael.capelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 23:44:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l]
	=?utf-8?q?Why_I_am_a_Federationist=3A_A_Partial=E2=80=99?=
	=?utf-8?q?s_Perspective?=
References: <1ECA3EE6-E624-44BB-94A2-54D7EF6C1FBB@gmail.com>
	<14110DAD-0BAA-410F-B856-FEF2643BB2D9@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <6A03BC5434324E468697BCCE9E6E7CB0@COMPUTER1>

sounds good.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Derek Manners via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Darian Smith" <dsmithnfb at gmail.com>; "National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2014 11:39 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s Perspective


> As someone who has the legal threshold minimum  for being considered 
> blind, I couldn't agree more with this piece. While i can rely on my sight 
> for a number of things, I still utilize techniques to overcome 
> difficulties that arise due to poor vision. Furthermore, many of the 
> issues that affect me, transportation, accessible education and work place 
> materials, technology, etc, are issues that I can't change alone but can 
> begin to make step by step improvements within society with the help of my 
> new federation family.
>
> The NFB is for everyone who has trouble seeing, no matter how good your 
> sight is, relatively speaking of course. We are all blind even if it isn't 
> always easy to admit our limitations as partially sighted individuals.
>
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 3, 2014, at 12:00 AM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I found this  and wanted to get people’s thoughts here.
>> Most people think that the NFB is only for people who are totally blind.
>>
>> do you think  it to be true? and what does this piece offer you once you 
>> read it?
>>
>> BEst,
>>   Darian
>>
>>
>>
>> Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s Perspective
>> by Meleah Jensen
>>
>> Henry David Thoreau once said "I went to the woods because I wished to 
>> live deliberately, I wanted to live deep and suck out all the marrow of 
>> life to front only the essential facts of life and see if I could not 
>> learn what it had to teach, and that when I came to die discover that I 
>> had not lived.” Just as Thoreau went in to the woods, I went to the NFB. 
>> I am a federationist because it has been only through my learning about 
>> and becoming a part of the federation that I have truly begun to live 
>> deliberately, and suck out the marrow of life.
>>
>> When I was growing up, I had no positive blind role models, nor did I see 
>> myself as being blind. To me the word blind had an extremely negative 
>> connotation, and was definitely something I did not want to be. It wasn’t 
>> until I was introduced to the NFB that I gained not only positive role 
>> models, but also a better understanding of what being blind truly meant.
>>
>> I had my first exposure to the NFB during my freshman year of high school 
>> when my VI teacher gave me a letter telling about a student seminar in 
>> Ruston Louisiana. My first thought was where in the world is Ruston?
>>
>> I went to the seminar not exactly sure of what to expect; little did I 
>> know that not only was I opening the door to great future opportunities, 
>> but I was also laying the bricks of my foundation towards a positive 
>> attitude about blindness. I came away from that weekend amazed by what I 
>> had seen. I will always remember many of the events of the weekend but 
>> there is one that will stand out in my mind the most. On that Saturday 
>> afternoon we were sent on a scavenger hunt. We were divided up into 
>> groups and given a list of things to locate and bring back from various 
>> spots in town (for those of you who don’t know, Ruston is small enough to 
>> permit this to be done easily). The leader of my group was totally blind; 
>> I had absolutely no idea how we would go about doing this since she 
>> seemed to be the only one who supposedly knew her way around Ruston. We 
>> set out on our journey around town. I was utterly amazed how well she 
>> knew the town. No blind person I had met before could walk around a room 
>> without assistance much less a whole town. It was during that experience 
>> that I realized that there actually were blind people who could function 
>> independently.
>>
>> Over the next couple of years, I continued to build my philosophy through 
>> attending student seminars, and talking with positive blind people. In 
>> 1998 I attended the Summer Training and Employment Project (STEP) at the 
>> Louisiana Center for the Blind. While in the STEP program I was taut 
>> Braille, cane travel, and many other important skills. I was also given 
>> the opportunity to attend my first national convention. In addition to 
>> all of this the STEP program is where I began to shape my philosophy into 
>> what it is today. It made me start to realize just why it was important 
>> to be a part of the federation. For the first time I realized that I was 
>> not alone. I had a network of people just like me. They not only 
>> understood, but also lived and overcame some of the very same issues I 
>> had been struggling with every day.
>>
>> Through this shared understanding it became more and more apparent to me 
>> that I was in fact blind. Since these federationists were normal and 
>> shared many of my experiences, it slowly became ok for me to admit that I 
>> too was blind. Unfortunately, this process didn't occur over night. I was 
>> a little resistant at first it took a few years for me to fully 
>> understand just what being in the federation could truly be about. During 
>> my freshman year of college I began to realize that the quote sighted 
>>  way” of doing things would not always work well for me. I had been able 
>> to depend on my sight for so long that it took me a while to accept that 
>> it no longer was the most efficient way to accomplish things. 
>> Unfortunately by the time I had realized this I had to struggle through 
>> many tough situations such as trying to take print notes in a dark 
>> classroom. After I would return from class I would look at my notes and 
>> see that I had to rewrite them because they were extremely sloppy. I also 
>> had problems traveling around at night. I walked slowly, and I found it 
>> hard to keep up with my friends. I still went out at night, but I found 
>> myself looking really awkward. Actually I found myself looking awkward in 
>> a lot of areas because of my lack of skills. Once I knew and accepted 
>> that I needed the skills of blindness in order to be successful I made 
>> the decision to attend the centers adult training program. It was during 
>> my time at the center that my transformation was completed. I not only 
>> grew in my attitudes towards blindness, but in my skills and confidence 
>> in my self as well.
>>
>> Since completing my training I have returned to school. I have compared 
>> my experiences then and now and they are like night and day! I still have 
>> things that I have problems accomplishing in the course of a day, but now 
>> I can say that I have those problems simply because there aren’t enough 
>> hours in the day, not because of my blindness getting in the way; but 
>> what college student sighted or blind doesn’t have these issues?
>>
>> Through all of these experiences, I too have become a federationist. I am 
>> now a part of that network of blind people that has come to mean so much 
>> to me throughout many aspects of my life. I am so glad to be able to be a 
>> part of an organization like the NFB. Now that I have finally recognized 
>> that I am blind and that it is truly respectable to be blind I have the 
>> chance, through this organization, to share my knowledge and experiences 
>> with others.
>>
>> It is so important for us as blind people to work together in the 
>> federation to live our movement each day and share our philosophy with 
>> others. By doing this we will all be able to live deliberately and suck 
>> out all the marrow of life.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 13:21:01 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 09:21:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l]
	=?iso-8859-1?q?Why_I_am_a_Federationist=3A_A_Partial=92s?=
	=?iso-8859-1?q?_Perspective?=
Message-ID: <542ea2f3.081e320a.4ec3.6101@mx.google.com>

Darian=20and=20All,

I'm=20totally=20blind=20(with=20light=20perception),=20but=20it=20so=20happ=
ens=20that=20
all=20my=20close=20friends=20in=20the=20Federation=20have=20at=20least=20so=
me=20usable=20
vision.=20=20To=20the=20extent=20that=20people=20think=20the=20NFB=20is=20o=
nly=20for=20the=20
totally=20blind,=20I=20think=20that's=20very=20unfortunate.=20=20The=20thin=
gs=20we=20
advocate=20for=20and=20the=20skills=20we=20teach=20help=20all=20the=20blind=
=20whether=20
they=20have=20some=20vision=20or=20not.

Best,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Darian=20Smith=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Thu,=202=20Oct=202014=2021:00:57=20-0700
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Why=20I=20am=20a=20Federationist:=20A=20Partial=92s=20=

Perspective

=20Hi=20all,
=20I=20found=20this=20=20and=20wanted=20to=20get=20people=92s=20thoughts=20=
here.
=20Most=20people=20think=20that=20the=20NFB=20is=20only=20for=20people=20wh=
o=20are=20
totally=20blind.

=20do=20you=20think=20=20it=20to=20be=20true?=20and=20what=20does=20this=20=
piece=20offer=20you=20
once=20you=20read=20it?

=20BEst,
=20=20=20Darian



Why=20I=20am=20a=20Federationist:=20A=20Partial=92s=20Perspective
by=20Meleah=20Jensen

Henry=20David=20Thoreau=20once=20said=20"I=20went=20to=20the=20woods=20beca=
use=20I=20
wished=20to=20live=20deliberately,=20I=20wanted=20to=20live=20deep=20and=20=
suck=20out=20
all=20the=20marrow=20of=20life=20to=20front=20only=20the=20essential=20fact=
s=20of=20life=20
and=20see=20if=20I=20could=20not=20learn=20what=20it=20had=20to=20teach,=20=
and=20that=20when=20
I=20came=20to=20die=20discover=20that=20I=20had=20not=20lived.=94=20Just=20=
as=20Thoreau=20
went=20in=20to=20the=20woods,=20I=20went=20to=20the=20NFB.=20I=20am=20a=20f=
ederationist=20
because=20it=20has=20been=20only=20through=20my=20learning=20about=20and=20=
becoming=20a=20
part=20of=20the=20federation=20that=20I=20have=20truly=20begun=20to=20live=
=20
deliberately,=20and=20suck=20out=20the=20marrow=20of=20life.

When=20I=20was=20growing=20up,=20I=20had=20no=20positive=20blind=20role=20m=
odels,=20nor=20
did=20I=20see=20myself=20as=20being=20blind.=20To=20me=20the=20word=20blind=
=20had=20an=20
extremely=20negative=20connotation,=20and=20was=20definitely=20something=20=
I=20
did=20not=20want=20to=20be.=20It=20wasn=92t=20until=20I=20was=20introduced=
=20to=20the=20NFB=20
that=20I=20gained=20not=20only=20positive=20role=20models,=20but=20also=20a=
=20better=20
understanding=20of=20what=20being=20blind=20truly=20meant.

I=20had=20my=20first=20exposure=20to=20the=20NFB=20during=20my=20freshman=20=
year=20of=20
high=20school=20when=20my=20VI=20teacher=20gave=20me=20a=20letter=20telling=
=20about=20a=20
student=20seminar=20in=20Ruston=20Louisiana.=20My=20first=20thought=20was=20=
where=20
in=20the=20world=20is=20Ruston?

I=20went=20to=20the=20seminar=20not=20exactly=20sure=20of=20what=20to=20exp=
ect;=20little=20
did=20I=20know=20that=20not=20only=20was=20I=20opening=20the=20door=20to=20=
great=20future=20
opportunities,=20but=20I=20was=20also=20laying=20the=20bricks=20of=20my=20f=
oundation=20
towards=20a=20positive=20attitude=20about=20blindness.=20I=20came=20away=20=
from=20
that=20weekend=20amazed=20by=20what=20I=20had=20seen.=20I=20will=20always=20=
remember=20
many=20of=20the=20events=20of=20the=20weekend=20but=20there=20is=20one=20th=
at=20will=20
stand=20out=20in=20my=20mind=20the=20most.=20On=20that=20Saturday=20afterno=
on=20we=20were=20
sent=20on=20a=20scavenger=20hunt.=20We=20were=20divided=20up=20into=20group=
s=20and=20
given=20a=20list=20of=20things=20to=20locate=20and=20bring=20back=20from=20=
various=20
spots=20in=20town=20(for=20those=20of=20you=20who=20don=92t=20know,=20Rusto=
n=20is=20small=20
enough=20to=20permit=20this=20to=20be=20done=20easily).=20The=20leader=20of=
=20my=20group=20
was=20totally=20blind;=20I=20had=20absolutely=20no=20idea=20how=20we=20woul=
d=20go=20about=20
doing=20this=20since=20she=20seemed=20to=20be=20the=20only=20one=20who=20su=
pposedly=20
knew=20her=20way=20around=20Ruston.=20We=20set=20out=20on=20our=20journey=20=
around=20
town.=20I=20was=20utterly=20amazed=20how=20well=20she=20knew=20the=20town.=
=20No=20blind=20
person=20I=20had=20met=20before=20could=20walk=20around=20a=20room=20withou=
t=20
assistance=20much=20less=20a=20whole=20town.=20It=20was=20during=20that=20e=
xperience=20
that=20I=20realized=20that=20there=20actually=20were=20blind=20people=20who=
=20could=20
function=20independently.

Over=20the=20next=20couple=20of=20years,=20I=20continued=20to=20build=20my=
=20philosophy=20
through=20attending=20student=20seminars,=20and=20talking=20with=20positive=
=20
blind=20people.=20In=201998=20I=20attended=20the=20Summer=20Training=20and=
=20
Employment=20Project=20(STEP)=20at=20the=20Louisiana=20Center=20for=20the=20=
Blind.=20
While=20in=20the=20STEP=20program=20I=20was=20taut=20Braille,=20cane=20trav=
el,=20and=20
many=20other=20important=20skills.=20I=20was=20also=20given=20the=20opportu=
nity=20to=20
attend=20my=20first=20national=20convention.=20In=20addition=20to=20all=20o=
f=20this=20
the=20STEP=20program=20is=20where=20I=20began=20to=20shape=20my=20philosoph=
y=20into=20
what=20it=20is=20today.=20It=20made=20me=20start=20to=20realize=20just=20wh=
y=20it=20was=20
important=20to=20be=20a=20part=20of=20the=20federation.=20For=20the=20first=
=20time=20I=20
realized=20that=20I=20was=20not=20alone.=20I=20had=20a=20network=20of=20peo=
ple=20just=20
like=20me.=20They=20not=20only=20understood,=20but=20also=20lived=20and=20o=
vercame=20
some=20of=20the=20very=20same=20issues=20I=20had=20been=20struggling=20with=
=20every=20
day.

Through=20this=20shared=20understanding=20it=20became=20more=20and=20more=20=

apparent=20to=20me=20that=20I=20was=20in=20fact=20blind.=20Since=20these=20=

federationists=20were=20normal=20and=20shared=20many=20of=20my=20experience=
s,=20it=20
slowly=20became=20ok=20for=20me=20to=20admit=20that=20I=20too=20was=20blind=
.=20
Unfortunately,=20this=20process=20didn't=20occur=20over=20night.=20I=20was=
=20a=20
little=20resistant=20at=20first=20it=20took=20a=20few=20years=20for=20me=20=
to=20fully=20
understand=20just=20what=20being=20in=20the=20federation=20could=20truly=20=
be=20
about.=20During=20my=20freshman=20year=20of=20college=20I=20began=20to=20re=
alize=20that=20
the=20quote=20sighted=20way=94=20of=20doing=20things=20would=20not=20always=
=20work=20well=20
for=20me.=20I=20had=20been=20able=20to=20depend=20on=20my=20sight=20for=20s=
o=20long=20that=20it=20
took=20me=20a=20while=20to=20accept=20that=20it=20no=20longer=20was=20the=20=
most=20
efficient=20way=20to=20accomplish=20things.=20Unfortunately=20by=20the=20ti=
me=20I=20
had=20realized=20this=20I=20had=20to=20struggle=20through=20many=20tough=20=
situations=20
such=20as=20trying=20to=20take=20print=20notes=20in=20a=20dark=20classroom.=
=20After=20I=20
would=20return=20from=20class=20I=20would=20look=20at=20my=20notes=20and=20=
see=20that=20I=20
had=20to=20rewrite=20them=20because=20they=20were=20extremely=20sloppy.=20I=
=20also=20
had=20problems=20traveling=20around=20at=20night.=20I=20walked=20slowly,=20=
and=20I=20
found=20it=20hard=20to=20keep=20up=20with=20my=20friends.=20I=20still=20wen=
t=20out=20at=20
night,=20but=20I=20found=20myself=20looking=20really=20awkward.=20Actually=
=20I=20
found=20myself=20looking=20awkward=20in=20a=20lot=20of=20areas=20because=20=
of=20my=20lack=20
of=20skills.=20Once=20I=20knew=20and=20accepted=20that=20I=20needed=20the=20=
skills=20of=20
blindness=20in=20order=20to=20be=20successful=20I=20made=20the=20decision=20=
to=20attend=20
the=20centers=20adult=20training=20program.=20It=20was=20during=20my=20time=
=20at=20the=20
center=20that=20my=20transformation=20was=20completed.=20I=20not=20only=20g=
rew=20in=20
my=20attitudes=20towards=20blindness,=20but=20in=20my=20skills=20and=20conf=
idence=20
in=20my=20self=20as=20well.

Since=20completing=20my=20training=20I=20have=20returned=20to=20school.=20I=
=20have=20
compared=20my=20experiences=20then=20and=20now=20and=20they=20are=20like=20=
night=20and=20
day!=20I=20still=20have=20things=20that=20I=20have=20problems=20accomplishi=
ng=20in=20
the=20course=20of=20a=20day,=20but=20now=20I=20can=20say=20that=20I=20have=
=20those=20problems=20
simply=20because=20there=20aren=92t=20enough=20hours=20in=20the=20day,=20no=
t=20because=20
of=20my=20blindness=20getting=20in=20the=20way;=20but=20what=20college=20st=
udent=20
sighted=20or=20blind=20doesn=92t=20have=20these=20issues?

Through=20all=20of=20these=20experiences,=20I=20too=20have=20become=20a=20
federationist.=20I=20am=20now=20a=20part=20of=20that=20network=20of=20blind=
=20people=20
that=20has=20come=20to=20mean=20so=20much=20to=20me=20throughout=20many=20a=
spects=20of=20my=20
life.=20I=20am=20so=20glad=20to=20be=20able=20to=20be=20a=20part=20of=20an=
=20organization=20
like=20the=20NFB.=20Now=20that=20I=20have=20finally=20recognized=20that=20I=
=20am=20blind=20
and=20that=20it=20is=20truly=20respectable=20to=20be=20blind=20I=20have=20t=
he=20chance,=20
through=20this=20organization,=20to=20share=20my=20knowledge=20and=20experi=
ences=20
with=20others..

It=20is=20so=20important=20for=20us=20as=20blind=20people=20to=20work=20tog=
ether=20in=20the=20
federation=20to=20live=20our=20movement=20each=20day=20and=20share=20our=20=
philosophy=20
with=20others.=20By=20doing=20this=20we=20will=20all=20be=20able=20to=20liv=
e=20
deliberately=20and=20suck=20out=20all=20the=20marrow=20of=20life.



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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 14:58:33 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 10:58:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
In-Reply-To: <CAJMVeY2LkXb6wVrj4wW1WWOmURTE0d4-JNqgYwMX8o0tposSKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJMVeY24i48sk-eGfR-JYqdM8+gOzPCUb1tieyKJZhX0xQcvXw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FbnLmGsU6vwqiiO7tSwQraE=zK+jGsvLaRd8ziR0Bf1DQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<238E0C02-72F8-4482-A037-3C7B4F6AFF06@ymail.com>
	<CAJMVeY1-Y7hty9oY528owUSQaOHWzxpAPoOhLLVZCYXbY7rbDA@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAJMVeY2LkXb6wVrj4wW1WWOmURTE0d4-JNqgYwMX8o0tposSKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZXBT=mFFwk3ym3EBpoMD4FLFu+UMeoJ5LP3YxN7DkvYQ@mail.gmail.com>

This is really helpful.  I'm in a major where it is difficult to study
abroad other than going on this trip with the Jamaica Field SErvice
Project because we have practicum courses we need to complete at our
university, but it is making me feel better knowing that several other
people have studied abroad, and should I decide to do it in Grad
school I'll be more prepared.

On 10/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thanks so much Arielle! My school is also willing to help with the
> orientation aspect which makes things a lot better.
>
> On 10/2/14, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Sofia,
>> I studied in Australia and worked with the disability office there to
>> get course readers in electronic format. I requested this about two
>> months ahead of time. It sounds like your school might be willing to
>> help with this.
>> I also had four O&M lessons to learn the campus. The study-abroad
>> director in Melbourne organized this. For a six-week trip it may not
>> be necessary and I know O&M is not available in all countries. You
>> could also ask someone from the host country to orient you; it really
>> doesn't have to be an O&M professional. Most of the neighborhood stuff
>> I learned on my own or from my dorm-mates. By the end of my stay Iwas
>> riding trains independently all over the city.
>> Arielle
>>
>> On 10/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Sorry for the lack of info ... the programs are in UK and Germany. The
>>> problem with studying abroad is that you have to apply now, but you
>>> don't know where you will actually go until around March and make a
>>> decision in April to leave in June...but if you wait to plan
>>> everything until April there won't be enough time ... hence the
>>> ambiguity about where I'm actually going.
>>>
>>> I guess my question is more general: has anyone studied abroad
>>> somewhere? What was it like and what accommodations did you get? these
>>> are general questions that apply to almost any country you go to :)
>>>
>>> Sofia
>>>
>>> On 10/2/14, Leye-Shprintse Öberg <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> BS"D
>>>>
>>>> Sofia,
>>>>
>>>> Which European country will you study in? Are you planning to visit some
>>>> other countries while you are here? It will be easier to help if we had
>>>> some
>>>> more information.
>>>>
>>>> LeSholom,
>>>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
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-- 
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Oct  3 19:08:46 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 15:08:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about DAZY software
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPuU_E1pmKy5Gb_ZJEcuXpeg9++r7Tgh4MB8aApp3v0ViQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:
So, I had a copy of JAWS during high school along with a Braillenote,
so I usually kept switching between the 2 for books--FS Reader would
come in handy for Learning Ally books, which I would often download
because they weren't available on Bookshare.
But now I don't have JAWS anymore, since that copy was specific to my
high school,
and I can't get JAWS from rehab as of yet since I'm neither in college
nor working at this point due to state residency requirements.
I tried NVDA but didn't like it too much and ended up going for the
Access Anywhere System Access package.
My problem though is that,although System Access and Access Anywhere
is great, I've lost FSReader.
I tried running it several times without JAWS but it kept crashing,
and apparently Freedom Scientific doesn't have a stand alone version
of the product.
Anyone have any ideas for free software-based DAIZY readers?
(I also gave my braillenote back to the DOE since that was a loan basically.)

Thanks,

Jorge


From lily2011a at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 01:50:31 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2014 19:50:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l]
	=?utf-8?q?Why_I_am_a_Federationist=3A_A_Partial=E2=80=99?=
	=?utf-8?q?s_Perspective?=
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Message-ID: <CA+OnPfEeqFkGG=8BTW_-FU6yWOoCAhq+dr4Ycfmkm-jbTWuUMA@mail.gmail.com>

I believe that sometimes there is a misconception of the word
blindness.  Once someone says that they are blind, they misinterpret
that statement for being totally blind.  The NFB of course doesn't
turn down anyone.  No matter if you have some vision or nun, the
philosophy of being treated with equality goes for all individuals
within the organization.
The article does not seem to me like it is bringing the NFB down in
any way.  It is simply talking about how the lady became more
confident in being blind.  She talks about how someone had encouraged
her to become more independent and to be comfortable with herself
despite being blind.
These are my thoughts.
Thanks,
Liliya


On 10/3/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Darian and All,
>
> I'm totally blind (with light perception), but it so happens that
> all my close friends in the Federation have at least some usable
> vision.  To the extent that people think the NFB is only for the
> totally blind, I think that's very unfortunate.  The things we
> advocate for and the skills we teach help all the blind whether
> they have some vision or not.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 2 Oct 2014 21:00:57 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s
> Perspective
>
>  Hi all,
>  I found this  and wanted to get people’s thoughts here.
>  Most people think that the NFB is only for people who are
> totally blind.
>
>  do you think  it to be true? and what does this piece offer you
> once you read it?
>
>  BEst,
>    Darian
>
>
>
> Why I am a Federationist: A Partial’s Perspective
> by Meleah Jensen
>
> Henry David Thoreau once said "I went to the woods because I
> wished to live deliberately, I wanted to live deep and suck out
> all the marrow of life to front only the essential facts of life
> and see if I could not learn what it had to teach, and that when
> I came to die discover that I had not lived.” Just as Thoreau
> went in to the woods, I went to the NFB. I am a federationist
> because it has been only through my learning about and becoming a
> part of the federation that I have truly begun to live
> deliberately, and suck out the marrow of life.
>
> When I was growing up, I had no positive blind role models, nor
> did I see myself as being blind. To me the word blind had an
> extremely negative connotation, and was definitely something I
> did not want to be. It wasn’t until I was introduced to the NFB
> that I gained not only positive role models, but also a better
> understanding of what being blind truly meant.
>
> I had my first exposure to the NFB during my freshman year of
> high school when my VI teacher gave me a letter telling about a
> student seminar in Ruston Louisiana. My first thought was where
> in the world is Ruston?
>
> I went to the seminar not exactly sure of what to expect; little
> did I know that not only was I opening the door to great future
> opportunities, but I was also laying the bricks of my foundation
> towards a positive attitude about blindness. I came away from
> that weekend amazed by what I had seen. I will always remember
> many of the events of the weekend but there is one that will
> stand out in my mind the most. On that Saturday afternoon we were
> sent on a scavenger hunt. We were divided up into groups and
> given a list of things to locate and bring back from various
> spots in town (for those of you who don’t know, Ruston is small
> enough to permit this to be done easily). The leader of my group
> was totally blind; I had absolutely no idea how we would go about
> doing this since she seemed to be the only one who supposedly
> knew her way around Ruston. We set out on our journey around
> town. I was utterly amazed how well she knew the town. No blind
> person I had met before could walk around a room without
> assistance much less a whole town. It was during that experience
> that I realized that there actually were blind people who could
> function independently.
>
> Over the next couple of years, I continued to build my philosophy
> through attending student seminars, and talking with positive
> blind people. In 1998 I attended the Summer Training and
> Employment Project (STEP) at the Louisiana Center for the Blind.
> While in the STEP program I was taut Braille, cane travel, and
> many other important skills. I was also given the opportunity to
> attend my first national convention. In addition to all of this
> the STEP program is where I began to shape my philosophy into
> what it is today. It made me start to realize just why it was
> important to be a part of the federation. For the first time I
> realized that I was not alone. I had a network of people just
> like me. They not only understood, but also lived and overcame
> some of the very same issues I had been struggling with every
> day.
>
> Through this shared understanding it became more and more
> apparent to me that I was in fact blind. Since these
> federationists were normal and shared many of my experiences, it
> slowly became ok for me to admit that I too was blind.
> Unfortunately, this process didn't occur over night. I was a
> little resistant at first it took a few years for me to fully
> understand just what being in the federation could truly be
> about. During my freshman year of college I began to realize that
> the quote sighted way” of doing things would not always work well
> for me. I had been able to depend on my sight for so long that it
> took me a while to accept that it no longer was the most
> efficient way to accomplish things. Unfortunately by the time I
> had realized this I had to struggle through many tough situations
> such as trying to take print notes in a dark classroom. After I
> would return from class I would look at my notes and see that I
> had to rewrite them because they were extremely sloppy. I also
> had problems traveling around at night. I walked slowly, and I
> found it hard to keep up with my friends. I still went out at
> night, but I found myself looking really awkward. Actually I
> found myself looking awkward in a lot of areas because of my lack
> of skills. Once I knew and accepted that I needed the skills of
> blindness in order to be successful I made the decision to attend
> the centers adult training program. It was during my time at the
> center that my transformation was completed. I not only grew in
> my attitudes towards blindness, but in my skills and confidence
> in my self as well.
>
> Since completing my training I have returned to school. I have
> compared my experiences then and now and they are like night and
> day! I still have things that I have problems accomplishing in
> the course of a day, but now I can say that I have those problems
> simply because there aren’t enough hours in the day, not because
> of my blindness getting in the way; but what college student
> sighted or blind doesn’t have these issues?
>
> Through all of these experiences, I too have become a
> federationist. I am now a part of that network of blind people
> that has come to mean so much to me throughout many aspects of my
> life. I am so glad to be able to be a part of an organization
> like the NFB. Now that I have finally recognized that I am blind
> and that it is truly respectable to be blind I have the chance,
> through this organization, to share my knowledge and experiences
> with others..
>
> It is so important for us as blind people to work together in the
> federation to live our movement each day and share our philosophy
> with others. By doing this we will all be able to live
> deliberately and suck out all the marrow of life.
>
>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Oct  4 03:49:10 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 03 Oct 2014 22:49:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
 blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
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Two things, your numbers are wrong, 30 percent of the population is 
not blind, if you cound blind and visually impaired, it is probably 
more like 2 or 3 percent.

Secondly, you make it sound like associating with blind people, 
and/or working for a blindness agency, is a black and white decision 
from being in the sighted world.  However we can do both.  I have 
blind friends and sighted friends.  I get different things from 
them.  I belong to the NFB and spend some of my time working on our 
causes.  I also work, and some of my colleagues are blind, some 
sighted.  I currently  work for a blind rehab agency, but have also 
worked for regular businesses and/or nonproffits in the past, some 
with no other disabled employees.  So it isn't either or...

Dave

At 08:51 PM 10/1/2014, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider 
>getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as 
>the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
>
>I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so 
>working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my 
>opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
>I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 70 
>percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 percent 
>includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is off, but 
>that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the sighted 
>people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this list might 
>have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
>
>So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group 
>going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
>
>I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
>
>Thanks,
>
>Sami.

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 14:35:19 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 10:35:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
	blindnessorganization or society involve working in the real world?
Message-ID: <543005b7.29528c0a.5954.ffff9945@mx.google.com>

I think it is good to get involved with a blindness organization.  
I'm working on getting involved with my student division in 
Florida.  I think that this can be considered working in the real 
world.


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 14:41:01 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 07:41:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
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Good morning, Lillie, and everyone,

         I would think, you ought to send test scores, letters of 
recvia E-mail, following up with a phone call. It is during that 
call, I would think, that you  could get into some of those questions 
with which you seem to be burgeoning.
Good luck, sister Lillie!
Keep us posted on how your exploration goes?
for today, Car  11:12 PM 9/26/2014, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l wrote:
>Ask in both email and phone.  See if  any new information is 
>available. Some information found online is not up-to-date. Hope 
>this helps, good luck.
>
>Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> >
> >
> > So now I have a working list of colleges, went to the fair and got some
> > information, and now I'm ready to start contacting the colleges on my list
> > to get more information beyond the brochures.
> >
> >
> >
> > How do I contact the admissions counselor? I have heard both a
> > recommendation to do it by email and by phone. I do know there is value to
> > talking by phone, but email would help me to probably get the information
> > faster, as well as being able to let me compare all of the info side by
> > side. Is there one way that is better or that would help me more?
> >
> >
> >
> > What questions do I ask? Test scores are generally found on websites. Who
> > would I ask about special scholarships awarded at the college? Is this the
> > person to request information such as dates for sending college application
> > stuff in? Could I ask for more information on my field of choice from this
> > person, or do I contact the chair of that department? I am assuming I also
> > ask this person for information regarding current students that go to that
> > college. What other things should I ask?
> >
> >
> >
> > When contacting the disability support services offices, what do I ask for?
> > Understand that I am not going to the school that will 
> automatically give me
> > the best disability services, but since I will be a bit further 
> away from my
> > house ideally I will probably at least need to exercise some caution in
> > picking a college based on what they could give me in terms of accomidation
> > (for example, I couldn't have my parents probably read me a chapter of a
> > textbook if I didn't have it, for example.) What other questions do I ask?
> >
> >
> >
> > I would love to hear any advice about choosing the right college or what to
> > ask on or off list.
> >
> >
> >
> > I am also curious to hear what you all have done in regarding college
> > visits. I want to do visits when students are there, which I am assuming
> > means they have to be done throughout the week (I'm not sure of this.)
> >
> > However, I want to visit four different cities in Kentucky, and 5 colleges
> > all together in those cities. My school only allows me 2 college 
> visit days,
> > and I really do not want to miss school. It also is probably not feasible
> > for me to go down to these cities (all around 1.5-2 hours from my house and
> > not really sure how near each other they are) very often. How have you
> > managed this or what suggestions do you have to manage this? Are weekend
> > visits a good idea? I do have a fall break coming up where I could go down
> > to 1 or maybe 2 cities, but probably not all 4 and have quality visits at
> > each college.
> >
> >
> >
> > Any advice would be appreciated on anything related to this at all.
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> >
> >
> > Lillie
> >
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 15:24:31 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 11:24:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence
Message-ID: <5430113f.0636e00a.36d9.ffffa2a3@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share another step that I took towards my 
independence.  Every Thursday I have a class that requires me to 
take an elevator to get to where the classroom is located.  This 
past Thursday I got on the elevator all on my own and found my 
way to the classrom.  After class I went to the bathroom and 
freshened up before heading rf to my exam.  I went down stairs 
all on my own without assistance from anyone else.  This is 
another step towards independence.


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 15:35:05 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:35:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence
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Message-ID: <0C18C101-9BDE-4D7F-8E88-D892180619E9@gmail.com>

Another "baby step" which will add up in time with all the others. Congratulations; keep up the great work!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Every Thursday I have a class that requires me to take an elevator to get to where the classroom is located.  This past Thursday I got on the elevator all on my own and found my way to the classrom.  After class I went to the bathroom and freshened up before heading rf to my exam.  I went down stairs all on my own without assistance from anyone else.  This is another step towards independence.
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 15:36:26 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:36:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence
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	<0C18C101-9BDE-4D7F-8E88-D892180619E9@gmail.com>
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Congratulations: well done. 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 11:35 AM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence

Another "baby step" which will add up in time with all the others.
Congratulations; keep up the great work!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Every
Thursday I have a class that requires me to take an elevator to get to where
the classroom is located.  This past Thursday I got on the elevator all on
my own and found my way to the classrom.  After class I went to the bathroom
and freshened up before heading rf to my exam.  I went down stairs all on my
own without assistance from anyone else.  This is another step towards
independence.
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sat Oct  4 15:52:50 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 11:52:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence
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Roanna.
Great job! Insist on doing things independently. The more you do things, the better you will be.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2014, at 11:24 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Every Thursday I have a class that requires me to take an elevator to get to where the classroom is located.  This past Thursday I got on the elevator all on my own and found my way to the classrom.  After class I went to the bathroom and freshened up before heading rf to my exam.  I went down stairs all on my own without assistance from anyone else.  This is another step towards independence.
> 
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 16:58:15 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 11:58:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step towards my independence
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That is great. Once you keep doing things like this you will see how
easy it becomes and your confidence will build and build.

We as blind students can fully live and breathe  the philosophy that
we can live the life we want.

Keep up the great work!

On 10/4/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my
> independence.  Every Thursday I have a class that requires me to
> take an elevator to get to where the classroom is located.  This
> past Thursday I got on the elevator all on my own and found my
> way to the classrom.  After class I went to the bathroom and
> freshened up before heading rf to my exam.  I went down stairs
> all on my own without assistance from anyone else.  This is
> another step towards independence.
>
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-- 
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Oct  4 18:21:41 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 11:21:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Good morning, Arielle, and everyone,

         I am a total. My own conceptualization of what some find to 
be an intriguing subject is, what renders someone's face "attractive," or
"unattractive" to the all-seeing eye of Ol'Sighty, according to the 
best of my knowledge, is, how facial features appear when they are in 
harmony. Being that our fingers do not take in the totality of a 
figure, how can we find meaning in perceiving potential harmony in 
someone's facial features, upon perceiving them in part? We all know 
how we have our own blinkie esthetic I.E. how someone smells, the 
textures adorning their bodies, the tambour and quality of their 
speech. In other words, in order for our blinkie experience to hold 
sufficient meaning that keeps us, so to speak, coming back for more, 
we identify some layer of a presence that holds meaning to us, even 
stimulates us. Remember, blindness is a recurring presence within 
Nature. Everything else remains but a construct devised by people in 
power I.E. Ol'Sighty.
Car/10/2014, Wasif, Zunaira via nabs-l wrote:
>I agree.  The brain is literally bombarded with visual stimuli in 
>the form of faces.  I believe that this vast amount of data leads to 
>detailed discrimination among faces.  As blind people, we are not 
>bombarded with nearly the same amount of tactile information in 
>regards to faces; therefore, most of us to not have the necessary 
>data to develop detailed   tactile discrimination in this area.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle 
>Silverman via nabs-l
>Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
>To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
>Absolute myth. Human brains are programmed to recognize faces 
>visually. The details that people recognize visually cannot be 
>easily perceived by touch. To me all faces feel the same, except 
>maybe whether or not the person has facial hair. It's ridiculous to 
>think that blind people should feel faces to recognize people or 
>gain information about what they look like visually.
>I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look 
>like, but that has more to do with body shape, height and weight 
>info that I get from hugging them not feeling their faces. Even 
>those mental images are pretty vague. The best way I can tell people 
>apart is by their voice.
>Arielle
>
>On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone
> > else's face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a
> > blind person who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers
> > who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl
> >> Martin Adam via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
> >> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >> list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> >>
> >> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my
> >> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that
> >> happens in a lot of literature and movies.
> >> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing
> >> what people's faces are like is important do this?
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> >>
> >> Hi guys,
> >>
> >> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around
> >> to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.
> >> Do
> >> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they
> >> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
> >>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 20:57:52 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 04 Oct 2014 16:57:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <54305f60.04a8e00a.2da5.ffffdd42@mx.google.com>

Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's 
voices such as friends or family members.  I try to use my 
imagination to imagine what someone looks like.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 21:37:00 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 14:37:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Hi all,
 it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that feeling faces to determine looks is a myth.
   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the case of Arielle, I can’t really argue with science on this one,  either. 
  Darian  
    
On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's voices such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to imagine what someone looks like.
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Oct  4 21:40:07 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 17:40:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see no need
to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of time most of
the time.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Hi all,
 it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that feeling
faces to determine looks is a myth.
   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the case of
Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either. 
  Darian  
    
On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's voices
such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to imagine
what someone looks like.
> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Oct  5 04:23:19 2014
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sat, 4 Oct 2014 23:23:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Hello.  This is an interesting topic.  I've very rarely touched
someone's face.  I have done a couple times if they were a close
friend, or a girl friend.  To me, it would be weird asking people who
I'd just met if I could touch their face.  Also, in today's society I
think most people even if they would let a blind person touch their
face would feel very unconfortable going through that experience.  I
think the only people I might do it would be either my wife, or close
family members.  I am currently attending a training center in Chicago
where many of the adults are newly blinded, or haven't been blind very
long.  No one at the center to my knowledge has touched each others
face, I know I've never been asked if someone could touch my face
while being at the center.

On 10/4/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see no need
> to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of time most of
> the time.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
> Hi all,
>  it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that feeling
> faces to determine looks is a myth.
>    I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the case of
> Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either.
>   Darian
>
> On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's voices
> such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to imagine
> what someone looks like.
>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 17:10:20 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 10:10:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
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Good morning, Suzanne, and everyone,

Although perhaps we can agree that the source of your having endured 
relentless teasing in high school, the subject of which  being but a 
construct applying only to high school, that doesn't matter, when it 
was an instrument that proved very damaging to your self-concept, 
nonetheless. You sound comfortable personally with things yet, there 
is that very damaging high school experience from which you may never 
recover. Is that so?
for today, Car
408-209-3239

wrote:
>I had a miserable time in high school. I am legally blind so have a fair
>amount of usable vision. I used a cane due to the day blindness form the
>sun even with sunglasses.
>
>I feel when you are partially sighted you dont' fit in anywhere. You aren't
>sighted and you aren't blind enough to be accepted into the blind group
>
>I was teased relentlessly daily through all of high school. It was stuff
>like "You not blind" "it's not sunny you dont' need sunglasses"
>
>I never tried to hide anything. I used a monocular in the class and large
>print with my nose against the page.
>
>The school nurse said not to use the cane because someone might trip over
>it.
>
>It was awful. I had no friends and didn't even want to go it was so
>miserable.
>
>
>On Sat, Aug 30, 2014 at 10:33 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Good morning, my blind flower, seeking to bloom, Ana,
> >
> > Just be yourself and don't try to obscure, or in other ways deny your
> > blindness. You might  be surprised, if you don't have head trips about your
> > lack of an ocular input, chances are, neither will your peers. After all,
> > all we're talking about here, is a lack of an ocular input. The rest of it
> > is, but merely a construction belonging to the society around us.
> > for today, Car
> > 408-209-3239
> >
> >  At 09:04 AM 8/29/2014, kcj21 via nabs-l wrote:
> >
> >> Hi Ana,
> >>        I , like everyone else, had difficulty making friends in high
> >> school. Besides participating in after school activities, I suggest that
> >> you take a class like art, drama, chorus, or P.E. These classes tend to be
> >> less structured and give you a lot of social time and group projects. You
> >> should also listen when the teacher calls role to see if you recognize any
> >> names from other classes. Most importantly, try to open about your
> >> disability. If your peers see that you are comfortable with discussing and
> >> answering questions about your blindness, then they will be more
> >> comfortable and will talk to you more easily.
> >> Best of luck,
> >> Kaley
> >>
> >>
> >> On Friday, August 29, 2014 11:39 AM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ana and all,
> >> I suggest joining extracurricular activities such as band, choir, or
> >> any other different clubs on campus and using lunch time as an
> >> opportunity to meet and develop friendships.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> Sent: Fri, Aug 29, 2014 8:09 am
> >> Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
> >>
> >> hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
> >> me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all of
> >> my classes there are different kids ,
> >>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct  5 19:27:21 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 05 Oct 2014 12:27:21 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Internships
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Good afternoon, Sofia,

Absolutely bring up your blindness as off the bat as you can. 
Providing you regard it as a vibrant strand within the quilt which is 
all that is you, this won't be so hard. What if, say, the people in 
the program are counting on you to like, drive somewhere, or take 
photographs? also, even though they have all this legalese which 
claim not to be obligated to even ask, doesn't mean we, as blind 
people don't have the common decency to clue people in. 'cause 
remember, what do they say, blindness, and I am paraphrasing, is but 
a mere inconvenience.
a  12:40 PM 8/3/2014, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l wrote:
>The thing is my internship doesm't have an interview so it's my 
>choice when I want to bring it up.
>
>I know thatlegally they should take me if I'm qualified, but I don't 
>want to get accepted, bring up my visual impairment and go to a 
>hostile work environment. Would it be better to bring up the screem 
>reader beforehan and not wait until i have been accepted?
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Sofia,
> >
> > I am not quite sure how someone could not tell that I am blind in an
> > interview considering the fact that I use a long white cane. And although I
> > am not sure if this is the best practice or not, I actually 
> talked about how
> > I use JAWS on the computer during my interview. Like you, I was concerned
> > about how to go about installing a screen reader on the computer, so I
> > thought I would be up front about this issue so I could make the 
> most out of
> > my internship. Perhaps others do things differently, but this is 
> how I chose
> > to handle this particular situation.
> >
> > Warm regards,
> > Elizabeth
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
> Sofia Gallo via
> > nabs-l
> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:13 PM
> > To: minh ha; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Internships
> >
> > Thanks all!
> >
> > It looks like I can instal my own version of Jaws on a company computer and
> > reset it after or use my own laptop.
> >
> > I imagine you didn't say anything about being blind or needing
> > accommodations until afterbeing accepted to the internship? :)
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:31 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I've had various internships over the years that required heavy use of
> >> a computer for research, writing, etc. My employers always allowed me
> >> to use my own computer and they just connected me to their network so
> >> I could access pertinent information. Last year during my sophomore
> >> year of college, I had an internship with a social service non-profit
> >> and my state agency provided a jaws key for me to put on 3 of the
> >> office computers. I was working with confidential client information
> >> at the time so it was necessary for me to use one of their computers.
> >> Definitely check into your state agency to see if they will provide a
> >> jaws key for you to use temporarily during your internship. Otherwise,
> >> I don't think it would be a huge deal for  you to use your own laptop
> >> if your supervisor is ok with it.
> >>
> >> Minh
> >>
> >>> On 8/3/14, Cody Bair via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> I have also had two summer jobs in colege. Since I had 3
> >>> authorizations of Jaws I authorized the software on both of my work
> >>> computers which worked excellent for me as their was no out of pocket
> >>> cost for my employer and I had full use of Jaws.
> >>>
> >>> Cody
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Aug 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi Sofia,
> >>>> Congrats on the internship!
> >>>> I had three different summer jobs in high school and college that
> >>>> involved computers. Each timeI used JAWS in demo mode; I don't think
> >>>> the USB's existed yet. It was no problem using JAWS in demo mode.
> >>>> Also, if you have JAWS on your home computer, I think you can
> >>>> install a full version on up to three computers. I recently
> >>>> installed my full JAWS license on my new work computer and I just
> >>>> called Freedom Scientific and asked them to reset my license (since
> >>>> I had formerly run it on an old laptop I no longer use) and they did
> >>>> without any trouble or additional cost.
> >>>> Of course you could also try NVDA.
> >>>> Sorry I don't know the answer to your USB question.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Arielle
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 8/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>> It would be a political/policy internship.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It sounds like a USB would be the best option, but after reading
> >>>>> the Jaws website, it seems like the USB version doesn't work if
> >>>>> Jaws is not already installed on the computer and that it's purpose
> >>>>> is to apply your preferred settings to jaws, and not to use Jaws on
> >>>>> a computer that doesn't have Jaws.
> >>>>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong:)
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Derek Manners
> >>>>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Depending on your place, your machine is the best bet or getting
> >>>>>> permission to use a USB.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> May I ask what type of intership?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l
> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the replies.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Jaws in demo mode is a pain, but getting the whole software to
> >>>>>>> use it for
> >>>>>>> 2 months doesn't sound very reasonable.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I could always take my laptop and use that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I have options, but I was wondering what experiences others have
> >>>>>>> had regarding assistive technology and internships. What
> >>>>>>> arrangements have others made?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Thanks for the input!
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Joseph Hudson
> >>>>>>>> <jhud7789 at outlook.com>
> >>>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Hi, I think before I even think about getting a job like that, I
> >>>>>>>> would think about what kind of software that would be putting on
> >>>>>>>> that Machine whether it be MBVA or John's? Because if they're
> >>>>>>>> putting John's on there and it's all going to be a will to run
> >>>>>>>> in demo mode and my computer job is extensive I probably
> >>>>>>>> wouldn't deal to get much done in a day. The reason why I say
> >>>>>>>> that is because if I had to restart my computer every
> >>>>>>>> 40 minutes or restart John, every 40 minutes Alakaina get tiring
> >>>>>>>> and slowing on my process. So possible, talk to the person or
> >>>>>>>> Company, About getting the real version. Are you free later that
> >>>>>>>> you will be using.
> >>>>>>>> I
> >>>>>>>> hope this helps and if you having me other questions do not
> >>>>>>>> hesitate to
> >>>>>>>> contact me off off list        n Aug 2, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Sofia
> >>>>>>>> Gallo
> >>>>>>>> via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Hello
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had an internship or short-term job (such as a
> >>>>>>>>> summer
> >>>>>>>>> job)
> >>>>>>>>> that required extensive computer use (such as browsing the
> >>>>>>>>> internet, using Word and other basic programs)? How did this
> >>>>>>>>> work out in terms of using assistive technology such as screen
> >>>>>>>>> readers like Jaws? Did you arrange to use your own computer,
> >>>>>>>>> use the demo mode of a software or carry a USB version of the
> >>>>>>>>> software?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering what experiences anyone has had using
> >>>>>>>>> assistive technology when the job is only short-term since
> >>>>>>>>> adjusting company computers with software may not be practical.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>>
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 01:24:43 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 21:24:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Internships
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Personally I didn't bring it up at the first internship I had, but all
of the computers in the office were Macs, so I just used Voiceover.
Besides, because I was an intern, I was asked to simply bring my
computer to the office since I'd have my computer set up the way I
liked it, etc.
To be honest I wouldn't really mention it unless they say something
like "you might also be working with graphics", etc.
Then you should just point out that you'd be happy to help, but that
because you're blind you can't help with graphics--just an example but
it applies to anything like that.
And, if you need any software installed, don't talk about your
blindness because you need to make this sound totally natural.
I mean just mention it when you're talking to someone, or if you have
a reference person to call before the internship starts, go ahead and
just mention in that you need a scrreenreader because you're totally
blind.
I know this is a little unorthodox but you have to bring it up in a
way that sounds natural, like its just part of the conversation.
Also, if asked do say that you have a laptop that you could bring to
work, since its very handy that way because you have everything set up
to your liking already.
Oh, and, unless you have a working copy of JAWS, don't ask for it.
Meaning--unless you own a copy, or unless Rehab will give you a copy,
don't ask for JAWS--since its pricy that may not come across good.
My suggestion there would just be to ask for NVDA if possible.
Again, this is only if you don't already have a JAWS license.
Just my thoughts.

Jorge






On 10/5/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good afternoon, Sofia,
>
> Absolutely bring up your blindness as off the bat as you can.
> Providing you regard it as a vibrant strand within the quilt which is
> all that is you, this won't be so hard. What if, say, the people in
> the program are counting on you to like, drive somewhere, or take
> photographs? also, even though they have all this legalese which
> claim not to be obligated to even ask, doesn't mean we, as blind
> people don't have the common decency to clue people in. 'cause
> remember, what do they say, blindness, and I am paraphrasing, is but
> a mere inconvenience.
> a  12:40 PM 8/3/2014, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l wrote:
>>The thing is my internship doesm't have an interview so it's my
>>choice when I want to bring it up.
>>
>>I know thatlegally they should take me if I'm qualified, but I don't
>>want to get accepted, bring up my visual impairment and go to a
>>hostile work environment. Would it be better to bring up the screem
>>reader beforehan and not wait until i have been accepted?
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Sofia,
>> >
>> > I am not quite sure how someone could not tell that I am blind in an
>> > interview considering the fact that I use a long white cane. And
>> > although I
>> > am not sure if this is the best practice or not, I actually
>> talked about how
>> > I use JAWS on the computer during my interview. Like you, I was
>> > concerned
>> > about how to go about installing a screen reader on the computer, so I
>> > thought I would be up front about this issue so I could make the
>> most out of
>> > my internship. Perhaps others do things differently, but this is
>> how I chose
>> > to handle this particular situation.
>> >
>> > Warm regards,
>> > Elizabeth
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>> Sofia Gallo via
>> > nabs-l
>> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:13 PM
>> > To: minh ha; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Internships
>> >
>> > Thanks all!
>> >
>> > It looks like I can instal my own version of Jaws on a company computer
>> > and
>> > reset it after or use my own laptop.
>> >
>> > I imagine you didn't say anything about being blind or needing
>> > accommodations until afterbeing accepted to the internship? :)
>> >
>> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >
>> >> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:31 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I've had various internships over the years that required heavy use of
>> >> a computer for research, writing, etc. My employers always allowed me
>> >> to use my own computer and they just connected me to their network so
>> >> I could access pertinent information. Last year during my sophomore
>> >> year of college, I had an internship with a social service non-profit
>> >> and my state agency provided a jaws key for me to put on 3 of the
>> >> office computers. I was working with confidential client information
>> >> at the time so it was necessary for me to use one of their computers.
>> >> Definitely check into your state agency to see if they will provide a
>> >> jaws key for you to use temporarily during your internship. Otherwise,
>> >> I don't think it would be a huge deal for  you to use your own laptop
>> >> if your supervisor is ok with it.
>> >>
>> >> Minh
>> >>
>> >>> On 8/3/14, Cody Bair via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> I have also had two summer jobs in colege. Since I had 3
>> >>> authorizations of Jaws I authorized the software on both of my work
>> >>> computers which worked excellent for me as their was no out of pocket
>> >>> cost for my employer and I had full use of Jaws.
>> >>>
>> >>> Cody
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Hi Sofia,
>> >>>> Congrats on the internship!
>> >>>> I had three different summer jobs in high school and college that
>> >>>> involved computers. Each timeI used JAWS in demo mode; I don't think
>> >>>> the USB's existed yet. It was no problem using JAWS in demo mode.
>> >>>> Also, if you have JAWS on your home computer, I think you can
>> >>>> install a full version on up to three computers. I recently
>> >>>> installed my full JAWS license on my new work computer and I just
>> >>>> called Freedom Scientific and asked them to reset my license (since
>> >>>> I had formerly run it on an old laptop I no longer use) and they did
>> >>>> without any trouble or additional cost.
>> >>>> Of course you could also try NVDA.
>> >>>> Sorry I don't know the answer to your USB question.
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Arielle
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 8/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>> It would be a political/policy internship.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> It sounds like a USB would be the best option, but after reading
>> >>>>> the Jaws website, it seems like the USB version doesn't work if
>> >>>>> Jaws is not already installed on the computer and that it's purpose
>> >>>>> is to apply your preferred settings to jaws, and not to use Jaws on
>> >>>>> a computer that doesn't have Jaws.
>> >>>>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong:)
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Derek Manners
>> >>>>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Depending on your place, your machine is the best bet or getting
>> >>>>>> permission to use a USB.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> May I ask what type of intership?
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l
>> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the replies.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Jaws in demo mode is a pain, but getting the whole software to
>> >>>>>>> use it for
>> >>>>>>> 2 months doesn't sound very reasonable.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I could always take my laptop and use that.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I have options, but I was wondering what experiences others have
>> >>>>>>> had regarding assistive technology and internships. What
>> >>>>>>> arrangements have others made?
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the input!
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Joseph Hudson
>> >>>>>>>> <jhud7789 at outlook.com>
>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Hi, I think before I even think about getting a job like that, I
>> >>>>>>>> would think about what kind of software that would be putting on
>> >>>>>>>> that Machine whether it be MBVA or John's? Because if they're
>> >>>>>>>> putting John's on there and it's all going to be a will to run
>> >>>>>>>> in demo mode and my computer job is extensive I probably
>> >>>>>>>> wouldn't deal to get much done in a day. The reason why I say
>> >>>>>>>> that is because if I had to restart my computer every
>> >>>>>>>> 40 minutes or restart John, every 40 minutes Alakaina get tiring
>> >>>>>>>> and slowing on my process. So possible, talk to the person or
>> >>>>>>>> Company, About getting the real version. Are you free later that
>> >>>>>>>> you will be using.
>> >>>>>>>> I
>> >>>>>>>> hope this helps and if you having me other questions do not
>> >>>>>>>> hesitate to
>> >>>>>>>> contact me off off list        n Aug 2, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Sofia
>> >>>>>>>> Gallo
>> >>>>>>>> via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Hello
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had an internship or short-term job (such as a
>> >>>>>>>>> summer
>> >>>>>>>>> job)
>> >>>>>>>>> that required extensive computer use (such as browsing the
>> >>>>>>>>> internet, using Word and other basic programs)? How did this
>> >>>>>>>>> work out in terms of using assistive technology such as screen
>> >>>>>>>>> readers like Jaws? Did you arrange to use your own computer,
>> >>>>>>>>> use the demo mode of a software or carry a USB version of the
>> >>>>>>>>> software?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering what experiences anyone has had using
>> >>>>>>>>> assistive technology when the job is only short-term since
>> >>>>>>>>> adjusting company computers with software may not be practical.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 03:24:57 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 5 Oct 2014 23:24:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Internships
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Hi Sophia and all,

There are already a lot of great responses on here, but I'll add mine
in case it is of any use to you.  This past summer I worked at a
national non-profit company, which produces braille magazines,
provides packing and shipping jobs for blind people in the community
as well as braille proof-reading jobs, and does several other things.
I worked in the braille transcription department assembling the
magazines, and used a computer when I worked as a receptionist.

Probably mainly because this was a blindness agency, I was extremely
lucky with most of the receptionist work and the accomodations.  The
phone extension list was already brailled, because the company
actively hires blind people for this position.  For signing people in
they use a spreadsheet on the computer in Excel.  Because I didn't
have access to the computer on which the Excel sheet is housed for the
regular receptionists, I chose to bring in my own machine.  A friend
of mine, who was working with me and also covered reception, also did
this; I used my laptop, and she chose to use her Apex.  We each took
note of the person's name, the time they logged in, who they were
coming to see, the time they left, and the badge that we gave them and
whether or not it was returned.  To work around not having access to
the spreadsheet directly, we just emailed our logs to the
receptionist, who filled them in to the spreadsheet when she was
available.

Had I had access to the computer though, and had it not already had
Jaws on it, I would have just brought along a thumb drive with NVDA on
it.  You can run the full version of NVDA from a flashdrive, no demos,
which is really nice.  You can also install eloquence drivers on it,
so it sounds just like Jaws.  The commands are only slightly
different, and for a free screenreader it is really good.  I'd
recommend just doing that if you don't want to use a Jaws demo.
Though I didn't use this method at this summer internship, I did use
it at a campus job I had last year and it worked well.

Good luck,


On 10/5/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Personally I didn't bring it up at the first internship I had, but all
> of the computers in the office were Macs, so I just used Voiceover.
> Besides, because I was an intern, I was asked to simply bring my
> computer to the office since I'd have my computer set up the way I
> liked it, etc.
> To be honest I wouldn't really mention it unless they say something
> like "you might also be working with graphics", etc.
> Then you should just point out that you'd be happy to help, but that
> because you're blind you can't help with graphics--just an example but
> it applies to anything like that.
> And, if you need any software installed, don't talk about your
> blindness because you need to make this sound totally natural.
> I mean just mention it when you're talking to someone, or if you have
> a reference person to call before the internship starts, go ahead and
> just mention in that you need a scrreenreader because you're totally
> blind.
> I know this is a little unorthodox but you have to bring it up in a
> way that sounds natural, like its just part of the conversation.
> Also, if asked do say that you have a laptop that you could bring to
> work, since its very handy that way because you have everything set up
> to your liking already.
> Oh, and, unless you have a working copy of JAWS, don't ask for it.
> Meaning--unless you own a copy, or unless Rehab will give you a copy,
> don't ask for JAWS--since its pricy that may not come across good.
> My suggestion there would just be to ask for NVDA if possible.
> Again, this is only if you don't already have a JAWS license.
> Just my thoughts.
>
> Jorge
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 10/5/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good afternoon, Sofia,
>>
>> Absolutely bring up your blindness as off the bat as you can.
>> Providing you regard it as a vibrant strand within the quilt which is
>> all that is you, this won't be so hard. What if, say, the people in
>> the program are counting on you to like, drive somewhere, or take
>> photographs? also, even though they have all this legalese which
>> claim not to be obligated to even ask, doesn't mean we, as blind
>> people don't have the common decency to clue people in. 'cause
>> remember, what do they say, blindness, and I am paraphrasing, is but
>> a mere inconvenience.
>> a  12:40 PM 8/3/2014, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l wrote:
>>>The thing is my internship doesm't have an interview so it's my
>>>choice when I want to bring it up.
>>>
>>>I know thatlegally they should take me if I'm qualified, but I don't
>>>want to get accepted, bring up my visual impairment and go to a
>>>hostile work environment. Would it be better to bring up the screem
>>>reader beforehan and not wait until i have been accepted?
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Aug 3, 2014, at 3:27 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
>>> > wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Sofia,
>>> >
>>> > I am not quite sure how someone could not tell that I am blind in an
>>> > interview considering the fact that I use a long white cane. And
>>> > although I
>>> > am not sure if this is the best practice or not, I actually
>>> talked about how
>>> > I use JAWS on the computer during my interview. Like you, I was
>>> > concerned
>>> > about how to go about installing a screen reader on the computer, so I
>>> > thought I would be up front about this issue so I could make the
>>> most out of
>>> > my internship. Perhaps others do things differently, but this is
>>> how I chose
>>> > to handle this particular situation.
>>> >
>>> > Warm regards,
>>> > Elizabeth
>>> >
>>> > -----Original Message-----
>>> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Sofia Gallo via
>>> > nabs-l
>>> > Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2014 3:13 PM
>>> > To: minh ha; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Internships
>>> >
>>> > Thanks all!
>>> >
>>> > It looks like I can instal my own version of Jaws on a company
>>> > computer
>>> > and
>>> > reset it after or use my own laptop.
>>> >
>>> > I imagine you didn't say anything about being blind or needing
>>> > accommodations until afterbeing accepted to the internship? :)
>>> >
>>> > Sent from my iPhone
>>> >
>>> >> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:31 PM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> I've had various internships over the years that required heavy use
>>> >> of
>>> >> a computer for research, writing, etc. My employers always allowed me
>>> >> to use my own computer and they just connected me to their network so
>>> >> I could access pertinent information. Last year during my sophomore
>>> >> year of college, I had an internship with a social service non-profit
>>> >> and my state agency provided a jaws key for me to put on 3 of the
>>> >> office computers. I was working with confidential client information
>>> >> at the time so it was necessary for me to use one of their computers.
>>> >> Definitely check into your state agency to see if they will provide a
>>> >> jaws key for you to use temporarily during your internship.
>>> >> Otherwise,
>>> >> I don't think it would be a huge deal for  you to use your own laptop
>>> >> if your supervisor is ok with it.
>>> >>
>>> >> Minh
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 8/3/14, Cody Bair via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>> I have also had two summer jobs in colege. Since I had 3
>>> >>> authorizations of Jaws I authorized the software on both of my work
>>> >>> computers which worked excellent for me as their was no out of
>>> >>> pocket
>>> >>> cost for my employer and I had full use of Jaws.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Cody
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>
>>> >>>> On Aug 2, 2014, at 11:56 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>> Hi Sofia,
>>> >>>> Congrats on the internship!
>>> >>>> I had three different summer jobs in high school and college that
>>> >>>> involved computers. Each timeI used JAWS in demo mode; I don't
>>> >>>> think
>>> >>>> the USB's existed yet. It was no problem using JAWS in demo mode.
>>> >>>> Also, if you have JAWS on your home computer, I think you can
>>> >>>> install a full version on up to three computers. I recently
>>> >>>> installed my full JAWS license on my new work computer and I just
>>> >>>> called Freedom Scientific and asked them to reset my license (since
>>> >>>> I had formerly run it on an old laptop I no longer use) and they
>>> >>>> did
>>> >>>> without any trouble or additional cost.
>>> >>>> Of course you could also try NVDA.
>>> >>>> Sorry I don't know the answer to your USB question.
>>> >>>> Best,
>>> >>>> Arielle
>>> >>>>
>>> >>>>> On 8/2/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>> It would be a political/policy internship.
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> It sounds like a USB would be the best option, but after reading
>>> >>>>> the Jaws website, it seems like the USB version doesn't work if
>>> >>>>> Jaws is not already installed on the computer and that it's
>>> >>>>> purpose
>>> >>>>> is to apply your preferred settings to jaws, and not to use Jaws
>>> >>>>> on
>>> >>>>> a computer that doesn't have Jaws.
>>> >>>>> Someone correct me if I'm wrong:)
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>>>
>>> >>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 1:05 AM, Derek Manners
>>> >>>>>> <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Depending on your place, your machine is the best bet or getting
>>> >>>>>> permission to use a USB.
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> May I ask what type of intership?
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:35 AM, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l
>>> >>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the replies.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Jaws in demo mode is a pain, but getting the whole software to
>>> >>>>>>> use it for
>>> >>>>>>> 2 months doesn't sound very reasonable.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I could always take my laptop and use that.
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> I have options, but I was wondering what experiences others have
>>> >>>>>>> had regarding assistive technology and internships. What
>>> >>>>>>> arrangements have others made?
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for the input!
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> >>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 3, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Joseph Hudson
>>> >>>>>>>> <jhud7789 at outlook.com>
>>> >>>>>>>> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>> Hi, I think before I even think about getting a job like that,
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>> would think about what kind of software that would be putting
>>> >>>>>>>> on
>>> >>>>>>>> that Machine whether it be MBVA or John's? Because if they're
>>> >>>>>>>> putting John's on there and it's all going to be a will to run
>>> >>>>>>>> in demo mode and my computer job is extensive I probably
>>> >>>>>>>> wouldn't deal to get much done in a day. The reason why I say
>>> >>>>>>>> that is because if I had to restart my computer every
>>> >>>>>>>> 40 minutes or restart John, every 40 minutes Alakaina get
>>> >>>>>>>> tiring
>>> >>>>>>>> and slowing on my process. So possible, talk to the person or
>>> >>>>>>>> Company, About getting the real version. Are you free later
>>> >>>>>>>> that
>>> >>>>>>>> you will be using.
>>> >>>>>>>> I
>>> >>>>>>>> hope this helps and if you having me other questions do not
>>> >>>>>>>> hesitate to
>>> >>>>>>>> contact me off off list        n Aug 2, 2014, at 10:45 PM,
>>> >>>>>>>> Sofia
>>> >>>>>>>> Gallo
>>> >>>>>>>> via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Hello
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Has anyone had an internship or short-term job (such as a
>>> >>>>>>>>> summer
>>> >>>>>>>>> job)
>>> >>>>>>>>> that required extensive computer use (such as browsing the
>>> >>>>>>>>> internet, using Word and other basic programs)? How did this
>>> >>>>>>>>> work out in terms of using assistive technology such as screen
>>> >>>>>>>>> readers like Jaws? Did you arrange to use your own computer,
>>> >>>>>>>>> use the demo mode of a software or carry a USB version of the
>>> >>>>>>>>> software?
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm just wondering what experiences anyone has had using
>>> >>>>>>>>> assistive technology when the job is only short-term since
>>> >>>>>>>>> adjusting company computers with software may not be
>>> >>>>>>>>> practical.
>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>> >>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>> >>>>>>>>>
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>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 14:42:44 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:42:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New Braille note apex
Message-ID: <6E958F9A-15C8-4C9C-87F6-97E9ADEC7C6E@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
I just received my new braillenote apex. How do I select multiple files from a flash drive and copy them to the apex? Also how do I search for a particular word In a document without replacing anything? I'm using the qt version.

Amanda

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 14:53:31 2014
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Mon, 6 Oct 2014 10:53:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New Braille note apex
In-Reply-To: <6E958F9A-15C8-4C9C-87F6-97E9ADEC7C6E@gmail.com>
References: <6E958F9A-15C8-4C9C-87F6-97E9ADEC7C6E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7FAF0221-FB5C-4CAA-9BB1-D18817467630@gmail.com>

Space with m to mark each file, once you make all files you want, press enter. Space with f to find a word  or phrase. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi everyone,
> I just received my new braillenote apex. How do I select multiple files from a flash drive and copy them to the apex? Also how do I search for a particular word In a document without replacing anything? I'm using the qt version.
> 
> Amanda
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Oct  6 16:07:56 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:07:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New Braille note apex
In-Reply-To: <7FAF0221-FB5C-4CAA-9BB1-D18817467630@gmail.com>
References: <6E958F9A-15C8-4C9C-87F6-97E9ADEC7C6E@gmail.com>
	<7FAF0221-FB5C-4CAA-9BB1-D18817467630@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9E8121AD-917C-44C7-A683-2F72D3F87F94@me.com>

This will not work, as stated, Amanda is using a QT model, not a BT one.
To mark files with the QT, press Space with the control key.
To find a search string, press Read+F.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:53, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Space with m to mark each file, once you make all files you want, press enter. Space with f to find a word  or phrase. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> I just received my new braillenote apex. How do I select multiple files from a flash drive and copy them to the apex? Also how do I search for a particular word In a document without replacing anything? I'm using the qt version.
>> 
>> Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct  6 16:59:09 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:59:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New Braille note apex
Message-ID: <5432ca98.a74e320a.141a.29d5@mx.google.com>

Also as far as copying multiple files, it's possible to copy an 
entire folder (go to folder manager and select copy folder).  The 
other thing that's useful is that you can use wildcard symbols at 
the "file to copy" prompt, so if you have a lot of files with 
part of the name the same you can use the multiple character 
wildcard (asterisk) and the single character wildcard (question 
mark) to mark them all at once.  There's also a mark all files 
command that I don't remember at the moment.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kathryn Webster <kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 12:07:56 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] New Braille note apex

This will not work, as stated, Amanda is using a QT model, not a 
BT one.
To mark files with the QT, press Space with the control key.
To find a search string, press Read+F.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:53, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Space with m to mark each file, once you make all files you 
want, press enter. Space with f to find a word  or phrase.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 6, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Amanda via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi everyone,
 I just received my new braillenote apex. How do I select 
multiple files from a flash drive and copy them to the apex? Also 
how do I search for a particular word In a document without 
replacing anything? I'm using the qt version.

 Amanda
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From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Oct  7 01:46:14 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 20:46:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Survey Request
Message-ID: <auto-000001819477@mailfront2.g2host.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following request:


My name is Sara Dell'Erba and I'm a final year Psychology student at 
the University of Bath. Volunteering at Action for Blind People 
(Bristol) for the past year has motivated me to develop my final year 
project looking at how Visually Impaired People (VIPs) perceive their 
body in relation to their exposure to Mass Media (newspapers, motion 
pictures, radio, television, and magazines). I have prepared a brief survey.

You can click on this link 
<<https://www.survey.bath.ac.uk/projectsurvey/>https://www.survey.bath.ac.uk/projectsurvey/> 
and easily complete the page of questions using a Screen Reader. This 
will take 10-15 minutes of your time and your contribution would help 
greatly for my dissertation project. I am working under the 
supervision of Dr Michael Proulx, Senior Lecturer in Psychology at 
Bath, whose research on visual impairment, neuroscience, and 
assistive devices has featured in the news recently such as The One 
Show with Peter White, and BBC Radio 5 Live: 
<<http://people.bath.ac.uk/mjp51/>http://people.bath.ac.uk/mjp51/>



         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 05:34:36 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 22:34:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Career Fairs and Conventions
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.161.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Susan,

         Well, as a total, these are strategies which I employ on the 
basis of the regular. you gotta use your voice. Ask! Ask for directions.
for today, Car
408-209-3239

like conventions? I will
>be attending the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing. Part of it
>is a huge career fair. How to you deal with things like that when you can't
>see the banner for what company is at the booth? These situations are what
>I find most difficult about being legally blind. There is a group from my
>school going but everyone has their own agenda and I don't know any of them
>well enough to hang out with and have them be my eyes.
>
>There are far too many booths to approach every one of them.
>
>Thank you
>Suzanne
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Oct  7 06:57:11 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 06 Oct 2014 23:57:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Rewh Meet the Blind On Campus
In-Reply-To: <542de848.af278c0a.27d0.07a6@mx.google.com>
References: <542de848.af278c0a.27d0.07a6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.162.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Rona,

Can't help but imagine that actually interacting with the people, 
demonstrating blind people acting in a way Ol'Sighty might expect is 
a good way to include people in the blind experience. You have heard 
about the outcome of talking vs. showing the essence of your message? 
I think people want to "see" actualizations of things you might say.
Just a curiosity of mine.
Car
408-209-3239PM 10/2/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi  all,
>
>This month I will try to educate my fellow students about 
>blindness.  Last week I had the opportunity to do this while I was 
>waiting for one of my classes to begin.  Someone came up and asked 
>me how my ghrlNote Apex works.  I told them that it has a braille 
>display with 32 cells.  I also explained all the things that it can do.
>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 00:42:34 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:42:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading bookshare books with apex
Message-ID: <6562DA71-CF7D-4E7B-8773-AE266DF9C552@gmail.com>



Hi guys,
How can I search for a particular chapter in a bookshare book on the qt? I have tried using the find commands but it doesn't let me type cause of the Brf file type I think.Amanda

From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 01:45:12 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 20:45:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading bookshare books with apex
Message-ID: <5434972f.8378e00a.12c1.ffffeb5c@mx.google.com>

Amanda, you can type in the find field in a BRF file on a QT. The 
trick is that you have to type as if the QT were a braille 
keyboard. Some of the home row keys act as braille dots. S 
becomes dot 3, D becomes dot 2, F becomes dot 1, J=4, K=5, and 
L=6. So say you wanted to find the word dog in a BRF file, you 
would press Read+F for find, then press either F or B for forward 
or back, then type dog in braille, 1-4-5 (F, J, K), 1-3-5 (F, S, 
K), 1-2-4-5 (F, D, Jk, K.) Hope this helps!

Yours,
Sophie

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:42:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading bookshare books with apex



Hi guys,
How can I search for a particular chapter in a bookshare book on 
the qt? I have tried using the find commands but it doesn't let 
me type cause of the Brf file type I think.Amanda
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 02:01:40 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:01:40 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading bookshare books with apex
In-Reply-To: <5434972f.8378e00a.12c1.ffffeb5c@mx.google.com>
References: <5434972f.8378e00a.12c1.ffffeb5c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OnPfFMLuXqCvzgfaMvhV-0CtdDorjJyqYwVTEzKd0tQQSbOw@mail.gmail.com>

Amanda,
The regular find commands work in the bookreader.  If you open the
bookreader on your braille note and get it to read the brf file.  It
should work.
Let me know if you need more directions on how to read the file with bookreader.
Thanks,
Liliya

On 10/7/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Amanda, you can type in the find field in a BRF file on a QT. The
> trick is that you have to type as if the QT were a braille
> keyboard. Some of the home row keys act as braille dots. S
> becomes dot 3, D becomes dot 2, F becomes dot 1, J=4, K=5, and
> L=6. So say you wanted to find the word dog in a BRF file, you
> would press Read+F for find, then press either F or B for forward
> or back, then type dog in braille, 1-4-5 (F, J, K), 1-3-5 (F, S,
> K), 1-2-4-5 (F, D, Jk, K.) Hope this helps!
>
> Yours,
> Sophie
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 7 Oct 2014 20:42:34 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Reading bookshare books with apex
>
>
>
> Hi guys,
> How can I search for a particular chapter in a bookshare book on
> the qt? I have tried using the find commands but it doesn't let
> me type cause of the Brf file type I think.Amanda
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct  8 06:33:05 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 07 Oct 2014 23:33:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class accomodation
In-Reply-To: <53fbdd51.046c320a.582f.5312@mx.google.com>
References: <53fbdd51.046c320a.582f.5312@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.163.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Ashley,

         Sounds like, you might have to let taking this class with 
this teacher, go for now, right? Unless you and professor devise some 
kina work-around.
CarAt 06:04 PM 8/25/2014, you wrote:
>I would say the reasonable accommodation would be for DSS to provide 
>you a reader for this game.  I can understand why a professor 
>wouldn't want to assign another student to do it with you.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Mon, 25 Aug 2014 15:54:55 -0400
>Subject: [nabs-l] marketing class accomodation
>
>Hi all,
>
>Who has taken marketing? did you like the class? I want to learn 
>more about the business environment and thought this would be a decent one.
>But, the professor I wanted has been changed to another one. I will 
>try that, provided we can work out accomodations.
>
>Here is the issue. The professor assigns a semester long project 
>with some interactive game. Its video based. With low vision and 
>relying on my screen reader primarily, I cannot do the assignment. I 
>asked for a work around, a substitute or work with a partner.
>
>I see her tomorrow to begin class. She informs me via email, no 
>substitute is available and tells me how much the project is worth. 
>Additionally she says I cannot work with a partner
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From desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 11:58:00 2014
From: desai.siddhi14 at gmail.com (siddhi desai)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:28:00 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] ADA
Message-ID: <CAB34EguDLPXFGXMMjTxWoCXYrH=prdBJ1PucezZHhXCLWY37Pw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear All,
Do you know any person who has specialization in disability laws in USA?
Sincerely
Siddhi


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct  8 12:31:30 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 08:31:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ADA
In-Reply-To: <CAB34EguDLPXFGXMMjTxWoCXYrH=prdBJ1PucezZHhXCLWY37Pw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAB34EguDLPXFGXMMjTxWoCXYrH=prdBJ1PucezZHhXCLWY37Pw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E9E6CB96-1FF9-447F-9502-353472ECD77A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

There are a lot of specialists in and out of the NFB. Can you be more specific with why you want a specialist and what the particular issue is?

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> Do you know any person who has specialization in disability laws in USA?
> Sincerely
> Siddhi
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 12:58:41 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 08:58:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you to Our Teachers of the Visually Impaired
Message-ID: <54353518.832a8c0a.69d7.3679@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

I just wanted to show some appreciation for our teachers of the 
Visually impaired.  I remember my TVI's from when I was in public 
school.  They helped to mold me into the person that I am today.  
I still keep in contact with them even though I am in college.  
How have your TVI's helped mape you into the person that you are 
today?


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 13:09:08 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 07:09:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you to Our Teachers of the Visually Impaired
In-Reply-To: <54353518.832a8c0a.69d7.3679@mx.google.com>
References: <54353518.832a8c0a.69d7.3679@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <51283953-2AB3-44C9-B8FF-F4B8AC6CF7B6@gmail.com>

My experiences with TVIs have been quite the mixed bag. The good ones, and luckily most of mine were good, help teach me how to advocate for myself and find creative ways to solve problems. However, i've often seen quite a few on the opposite end of the spectrum. Oddly enough, I haven't noticed very much middleground… They are either great or terrible in my experience.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members,
> 
> I just wanted to show some appreciation for our teachers of the Visually impaired.  I remember my TVI's from when I was in public school.  They helped to mold me into the person that I am today.  I still keep in contact with them even though I am in college.  How have your TVI's helped mape you into the person that you are today?
> 
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From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Wed Oct  8 22:14:17 2014
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 17:14:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: NABS is looking for people who want to be on the
 fund raising committee.
Message-ID: <CACXqA0qx5vuviuctBJU0eKcdqy7zqRhZrX14-NTRHTcLoRvxrA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

We are initiating our first conference call for the fundraising
committee this week on October 9th at 8 p.m. eastern time. If you want
to help out in the federation, this is your chance. Jobs range from
simply dealing cards, exchanging poker chips for money, etc. to
gathering awesome donations for our auction at Washington Seminar.
It'll be fun because what we do directly impacts you. We use the money
we raise to send representatives to your state conventions and help
organize student divisions. We are hoping to increase fundraising so
we can start awarding a scholarship to help with some of the cost of
attending national convention. But Bre and I need people on the
fundraising committee. No commitment necessary at this point.  Just
call 605-475-6700 access code 789673 and hear what we have to say.

Best Wishes

Derek Manners and Bre Brown


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct  8 23:10:03 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2014 19:10:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: NABS is looking for people who want to be on
	the fund raising committee.
In-Reply-To: <CACXqA0qx5vuviuctBJU0eKcdqy7zqRhZrX14-NTRHTcLoRvxrA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACXqA0qx5vuviuctBJU0eKcdqy7zqRhZrX14-NTRHTcLoRvxrA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B22E4E69-F6C7-4AD4-9555-FC59D97E46A1@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

As a followup, If anyone wants to contact me before hand to talk more about it, my cell is 903-271-6494

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Bre Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone,
> 
> We are initiating our first conference call for the fundraising
> committee this week on October 9th at 8 p.m. eastern time. If you want
> to help out in the federation, this is your chance. Jobs range from
> simply dealing cards, exchanging poker chips for money, etc. to
> gathering awesome donations for our auction at Washington Seminar.
> It'll be fun because what we do directly impacts you. We use the money
> we raise to send representatives to your state conventions and help
> organize student divisions. We are hoping to increase fundraising so
> we can start awarding a scholarship to help with some of the cost of
> attending national convention. But Bre and I need people on the
> fundraising committee. No commitment necessary at this point.  Just
> call 605-475-6700 access code 789673 and hear what we have to say.
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> Derek Manners and Bre Brown
> 
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Oct  8 23:59:11 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Wed, 08 Oct 2014 19:59:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ADA
In-Reply-To: <E9E6CB96-1FF9-447F-9502-353472ECD77A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CAB34EguDLPXFGXMMjTxWoCXYrH=prdBJ1PucezZHhXCLWY37Pw@mail.gmail.com>
	<E9E6CB96-1FF9-447F-9502-353472ECD77A@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <DC6A5E16-083F-4139-8901-16F28A6D2D71@icloud.com>

Call the NFB national office.
4106599314. Ask for Balerie Yingling. I do not know her extention.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 8, 2014, at 8:31 AM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> There are a lot of specialists in and out of the NFB. Can you be more specific with why you want a specialist and what the particular issue is?
> 
> Best
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 8, 2014, at 7:58 AM, siddhi desai via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear All,
>> Do you know any person who has specialization in disability laws in USA?
>> Sincerely
>> Siddhi
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From hhamraz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 14:48:39 2014
From: hhamraz at gmail.com (Hamid Hamraz)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 10:48:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: Blind-Created Documents
Message-ID: <F9D14DCEC2E64B209C4115A7D669D126@HamidPC>


----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lourdes Morales Villaverde 
To: Hamid Hamraz 
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 1:49 AM
Subject: Re: Blind-Created Documents


Dear Hamid Hamraz,


Thank you so much for your contribution and for forwarding the email. We really appreciate the help. 
By the way, the draw will be done once we gather enough documents. Is this the best email to contact you in the future in case you are one of the two lucky winners?



Best wishes, 
--

Lourdes M. Morales Villaverde
Computer Science Ph.D. Student
Interactive Systems for Individuals with Special Needs (ISIS) Lab
Baskin School of Engineering
University of California, Santa Cruz


lommoral at ucsc.edu

soelommoral at soe.ucsc.edu

http://users.soe.ucsc.edu/~soelommoral/


On Wed, Oct 8, 2014 at 10:24 PM, Hamid Hamraz <hhamraz at gmail.com> wrote:

  Hello There,

  I am legally blind with a partial sight. I can see colors and walk around without a cane. However, I am incapable of reading - no matter how large the font is. I am totally dependent on my screen reader to access computer, even though my partial sight is helpful for some task that do not require delicate work.

  I attached a set of documents for different situations; some exams that I was not worried much about formatting, some homeworks that I had more time to work, etc.

  HTH,

  Hamid Hamraz


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Oct  9 17:25:56 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 11:25:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Everyone Needs $3500
Message-ID: <001b01cfe3e6$162e73c0$428b5b40$@labarrelaw.com>

My Federation Friends:

 

The annual convention of the NFB of Colorado draws nye and that means cash
will change hands.  A transfer of wealth will occur and that transfer could
happen to you.  The NFB of Colorado is sponsoring an amazing raffle for
$3500.00 in cash.  Tickets are $10 for one and $20 for three, multiples
thereof available.  Please go to www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle to
purchase your tickets online.  The drawing will be on the evening of
Saturday, November 1st at our annual banquet and you need not be present to
win.  Please help support our scholarship programs and Colorado BELL.  Buy
now, buy often, and good luck!

 

Scott LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado  


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 18:20:03 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 14:20:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Re- Thank you to our Teachers of the visually impaired
Message-ID: <5436d1ec.8341e00a.0e51.75ac@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

I'd also like to pay tribute to my TVI.  Miss Hales was a 
wonderful vision teacher to all of her students.  I remember how 
she would spend countless hours transcribing my work into braille 
for me.  I also remember how she reinforced the concepts that 
were taught in my regular classes.


From hhamraz at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 19:42:37 2014
From: hhamraz at gmail.com (Hamid Hamraz)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 15:42:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fw: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons
	independentlyformat documents
Message-ID: <27BDEBEE3EAB4C6DA652676D04836E41@HamidPC>

Hey Folks,    

I meant to forward the below participation solicitation in the  morning...
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Lourdes Morales Villaverde 
To: accessstem at uw.edu 
Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2014 8:51 PM
Subject: [AccessSTEM] Help with study on helping blind persons independentlyformat documents


Greetings,




I'm part of a group of researchers from the University of California, Santa Cruz. We are investigating ways in which tools may assist blind people with tasks related to document formatting, and as a first step we need to gather information about document formatting practices, errors and barriers of blind persons. To do this, we need to collect a large number and variety of documents that were created and formatted by blind persons (with at most light perception) without help from sighted persons.



Please help us by providing your documents. As this is a National Science Foundation study, we follow a strict rule of maintaining your and your documents’ confidentiality and destroying documents after the study is finished.


We will run a draw for two $50 Amazon gift certificate as a token of appreciation for those who provide us with at least 5 documents created with any word processor (Microsoft Word, Apple Pages, etc.). Please only send us documents that are at least 3 pages long.

If you are interested in helping us, please email your documents to lommoral at ucsc.edu. Also, if you know someone who fits the criteria and might be interested in helping us, please forward this email. We really appreciate your help.

Thank you for you time.


Best regards, 

--
Lourdes M. Morales Villaverde
Computer Science Ph.D. Student
Interactive Systems for Individuals with Special Needs Lab
Baskin School of Engineering
University of California, Santa Cruz


--------------------------------------------------------------------------------


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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 22:59:34 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2014 18:59:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An Mpdate on my Independence
Message-ID: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

This morning I took another small step toward improving my 
independence.  After class I went to the elevator all on my own 
and met my dad down stairs by myself.  There are braille signs in 
and outsides of the elevator in this building.  This is another 
small step towards improving my independence.


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Oct  9 23:06:04 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 18:06:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Mpdate on my Independence
In-Reply-To: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>
References: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <3264100E-2924-40B8-9CD9-C12DD5734A55@gmail.com>

Congratulations on this achievement. I'm sure everyone agrees that we're so proud of you and keep up the good work

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 9, 2014, at 5:59 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> This morning I took another small step toward improving my independence.  After class I went to the elevator all on my own and met my dad down stairs by myself.  There are braille signs in and outsides of the elevator in this building.  This is another small step towards improving my independence.
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 01:44:34 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 9 Oct 2014 21:44:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An Mpdate on my Independence
In-Reply-To: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>
References: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005301cfe42b$be8d9470$3ba8bd50$@gmail.com>

Well done.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 09, 2014 7:00 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] An Mpdate on my Independence

Hi All,

This morning I took another small step toward improving my independence.
After class I went to the elevator all on my own and met my dad down stairs
by myself.  There are braille signs in and outsides of the elevator in this
building.  This is another small step towards improving my independence.

_______________________________________________
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 07:44:50 2014
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 03:44:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a traditional blindness
 notetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxx3nLY71HfxMvpKPRmXyf1Q84fwo6c4zpg+DA+D6Z3y9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone:

I believe I've posted a couple of threads related to this subject, but
I really want to either get either a new notetaker or a braille
display and pair it with my Iphone and have some questions.
Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I
haven't used in like two years.
Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the
Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a
braille display and just paring it with my Iphone.
Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you?
Is it a viable option?
How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting?
Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on
them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking
notes?
Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another
thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD,
or I-Books with a braille display.
Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille
display and an Iphone?
Thanks,
Kerri


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 13:40:11 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:40:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A good Topic for the Braille Monitor
Message-ID: <5437e1d5.08a9e00a.415c.538f@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

As Thanksgiving approaches I'd like to write an article about our 
TVI's for the Braille Monitor.  Would you read this article if it 
were in the Monitor? I'd like your input on this topic and what I 
could write about our TVI's.


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Fri Oct 10 13:45:46 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:45:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a traditional
 blindness notetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device
In-Reply-To: <CAM6GWxx3nLY71HfxMvpKPRmXyf1Q84fwo6c4zpg+DA+D6Z3y9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxx3nLY71HfxMvpKPRmXyf1Q84fwo6c4zpg+DA+D6Z3y9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A5C07341-93A2-46B6-A4A2-9991E7D94D5C@me.com>

Hi Kerri,
I am a regular user of a braille display/iPhone paring.
I personally like this method more so than a notetaker, because its more portable. Granted, you do have two devices, but if you want to write a note, write it in notes, and then if you need it for printing later you can simply email it to yourself.
It's definitely cheaper than purchasing a notetaker. I used two notetakers from 2000-2011 and got my Brailliant BI32 in 2011. As I said, the braille display and the phone works very well for the tasks I need.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:44, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone:
> 
> I believe I've posted a couple of threads related to this subject, but
> I really want to either get either a new notetaker or a braille
> display and pair it with my Iphone and have some questions.
> Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I
> haven't used in like two years.
> Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the
> Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a
> braille display and just paring it with my Iphone.
> Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you?
> Is it a viable option?
> How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or meeting?
> Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on
> them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking
> notes?
> Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another
> thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD,
> or I-Books with a braille display.
> Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille
> display and an Iphone?
> Thanks,
> Kerri
> 
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 14:06:16 2014
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:06:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Chrome
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJzHDFo6wm-30MZSWEZkTHz6PaadbtAHtp_R1=s+uFazw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all and happy Friday!

I am looking for people who use Google Chrome on a regular basis with
a screenreader.  I am supposed to use it as a part of my job for
accessibility testing, and I find it to be a problem.  So, I'm
wondering if any of you use Chrome successfully with Jaws or some
other screenreader.  How well does it work for you?  Is there a way to
get around some of the accessibility problems in Chrome?  For example,
I have noticed that downloading files is difficult because it doesn't
prompt you to open or save as IE or Firefox will.  Any experiences or
info would be much appreciated!



-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation
of the Blind of Missouri recording secretary,
graduate Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 14:10:00 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:10:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a
	traditionalblindness notetaker vs a braille display paired
	with an I-Device
Message-ID: <5437e8c1.8c198c0a.311e.6078@mx.google.com>

I have to disagree that a braille display/iPhone is more 
portable. As Matthew said, it's two devices rather than one. This 
makes it less portable in my opinion. Granted, a braill notetaker 
is extremely expensive, but I think it's worth the investment, 
especially if you can get rehab to get it for you. A braillenote 
can serve as a braille display for the iPhone, a function I've 
found useful, but it can also act independently. If you want to 
write a note, you don't have to bother connecting your display 
and iPhone. You can just open up your notetaker and jot something 
down.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 09:45:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a 
traditionalblindness notetaker vs a braille display paired with 
an I-Device

Hi Kerri,
I am a regular user of a braille display/iPhone paring.
I personally like this method more so than a notetaker, because 
its more portable. Granted, you do have two devices, but if you 
want to write a note, write it in notes, and then if you need it 
for printing later you can simply email it to yourself.
It's definitely cheaper than purchasing a notetaker. I used two 
notetakers from 2000-2011 and got my Brailliant BI32 in 2011. As 
I said, the braille display and the phone works very well for the 
tasks I need.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:44, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Everyone:

 I believe I've posted a couple of threads related to this 
subject, but
 I really want to either get either a new notetaker or a braille
 display and pair it with my Iphone and have some questions.
 Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 
that I
 haven't used in like two years.
 Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as 
say the
 Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a
 braille display and just paring it with my Iphone.
 Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you?
 Is it a viable option?
 How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class 
or meeting?
 Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes 
on
 them internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for 
taking
 notes?
 Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, 
another
 thing I really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, 
BARD,
 or I-Books with a braille display.
 Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a 
braille
 display and an Iphone?
 Thanks,
 Kerri

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 14:37:01 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:37:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Chrome
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DJzHDFo6wm-30MZSWEZkTHz6PaadbtAHtp_R1=s+uFazw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DJzHDFo6wm-30MZSWEZkTHz6PaadbtAHtp_R1=s+uFazw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <008401cfe497$a7d9b0d0$f78d1270$@gmail.com>

Try hitting f6 to move over a frame when you open or download anything.
Sometimes it is on the side of the screen, but not interactive.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Julie McGinnity
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:06 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Chrome

Hi all and happy Friday!

I am looking for people who use Google Chrome on a regular basis with a
screenreader.  I am supposed to use it as a part of my job for accessibility
testing, and I find it to be a problem.  So, I'm wondering if any of you use
Chrome successfully with Jaws or some other screenreader.  How well does it
work for you?  Is there a way to get around some of the accessibility
problems in Chrome?  For example, I have noticed that downloading files is
difficult because it doesn't prompt you to open or save as IE or Firefox
will.  Any experiences or info would be much appreciated!



--
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President, National Federation of
the Blind of Missouri recording secretary, graduate Guiding Eyes for the
Blind 2008, 2014 "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 14:40:03 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:40:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using
	a	traditionalblindness notetaker vs a braille display
	paired	with an I-Device
In-Reply-To: <5437e8c1.8c198c0a.311e.6078@mx.google.com>
References: <5437e8c1.8c198c0a.311e.6078@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <009301cfe498$145aca50$3d105ef0$@gmail.com>

Agreed; the only advantage I see to an I phone and braille display combo
rather than the notetaker is that if you do not need the display, then you
don't have to plug it in.  However, if that set up works better for the
individual, Then that is what they should use.   Both methods are effective.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sophie Trist
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 10, 2014 10:10 AM
To: Matthew Dierckens; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a
traditionalblindness notetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device

I have to disagree that a braille display/iPhone is more portable. As
Matthew said, it's two devices rather than one. This makes it less portable
in my opinion. Granted, a braill notetaker is extremely expensive, but I
think it's worth the investment, especially if you can get rehab to get it
for you. A braillenote can serve as a braille display for the iPhone, a
function I've found useful, but it can also act independently. If you want
to write a note, you don't have to bother connecting your display and
iPhone. You can just open up your notetaker and jot something down.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Matthew Dierckens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kerri Kosten <kerrik2006 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Fri, 10 Oct 2014
09:45:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a
traditionalblindness notetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device

Hi Kerri,
I am a regular user of a braille display/iPhone paring.
I personally like this method more so than a notetaker, because its more
portable. Granted, you do have two devices, but if you want to write a note,
write it in notes, and then if you need it for printing later you can simply
email it to yourself.
It's definitely cheaper than purchasing a notetaker. I used two notetakers
from 2000-2011 and got my Brailliant BI32 in 2011. As I said, the braille
display and the phone works very well for the tasks I need.

God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Oct 10, 2014, at 3:44, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Everyone:

 I believe I've posted a couple of threads related to this subject, but  I
really want to either get either a new notetaker or a braille  display and
pair it with my Iphone and have some questions.
 Currently, I have a very old, very outdated Pacmate from 2007 that I
haven't used in like two years.
 Because the cost of a traditional blindness notetaker (such as say the
Braille Sense u2) is like $5,000 I was considering purchasing a  braille
display and just paring it with my Iphone.
 Does anyone do this and if so how does it work for you?
 Is it a viable option?
 How does it do when you have to take notes in an hour-long class or
meeting?
 Do most of the braille displays have a way for you to take notes on  them
internally or do you have to use an app on the Iphone for taking  notes?
 Besides being able to take notes and read them in braille, another  thing I
really miss doing is reading books from say Bookshare, BARD,  or I-Books
with a braille display.
 Does reading novels/books from these sites work well using a braille
display and an Iphone?
 Thanks,
 Kerri

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 14:42:34 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 10:42:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a traditional
	blindnessnotetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device
Message-ID: <5437f074.c8483c0a.2f66.ffffcca0@mx.google.com>

Hi Kerri thanks for your message.  I have a BrailleNote Apex from 
Humanware that Dbs purchased for me before I started college.  I 
find that it is great for taking notes during classes or 
meetings.  It also works well with reading books that are 
downloaded from bookshare.  I have it paired with my IPad Mini 
and it works really well.


From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 16:08:36 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 12:08:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a traditional
 blindnessnotetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device
In-Reply-To: <5437f074.c8483c0a.2f66.ffffcca0@mx.google.com>
References: <5437f074.c8483c0a.2f66.ffffcca0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAGpn82Rxha20ftpjg21CgwSmHG1CQas8j+KTjb-tpEdfYnO0Ag@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kerri thanks for your message.  I have a BrailleNote Apex from
> Humanware that Dbs purchased for me before I started college.  I
> find that it is great for taking notes during classes or
> meetings.  It also works well with reading books that are
> downloaded from bookshare.  I have it paired with my IPad Mini
> and it works really well.
>
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Hi Kerri,
One option that you might consider is a device such as the new
VarioUltra   braille display/note taker from Baum Retec. It was
featured at National Convention, and from what I’ve read it looks
pretty promising. You can find more information about it by visiting:
http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html
Hope this helps.
Best, Kayla


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 10 18:34:24 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 10 Oct 2014 11:34:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Purchasing/using a traditional
 blindnessnotetaker vs a braille display paired with an I-Device
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82Rxha20ftpjg21CgwSmHG1CQas8j+KTjb-tpEdfYnO0Ag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5437f074.c8483c0a.2f66.ffffcca0@mx.google.com>
	<CAGpn82Rxha20ftpjg21CgwSmHG1CQas8j+KTjb-tpEdfYnO0Ag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC095foBZUw01+Rtnkn4MKoM5W4WP+KNHDGThv38n02tg@mail.gmail.com>

What's the price of the Vario Ultra at this time? It looks cool!
Arielle

On 10/10/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> On 10/10/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kerri thanks for your message.  I have a BrailleNote Apex from
>> Humanware that Dbs purchased for me before I started college.  I
>> find that it is great for taking notes during classes or
>> meetings.  It also works well with reading books that are
>> downloaded from bookshare.  I have it paired with my IPad Mini
>> and it works really well.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>>
>
> Hi Kerri,
> One option that you might consider is a device such as the new
> VarioUltra   braille display/note taker from Baum Retec. It was
> featured at National Convention, and from what I’ve read it looks
> pretty promising. You can find more information about it by visiting:
> http://www.baumusa.com/braille-solutions/varioultra.html
> Hope this helps.
> Best, Kayla
>
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Sat Oct 11 15:38:58 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 11:38:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9uhJbjucquMuG5PoX1NmSeTxpPbYTyQP3OoAcuwxBMx1g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <54305f60.04a8e00a.2da5.ffffdd42@mx.google.com>
	<055B5F22-D067-4249-823D-24F27D97BE95@gmail.com>
	<010101cfe01b$c4c30e10$4e492a30$@gmail.com>
	<CADUoy9uhJbjucquMuG5PoX1NmSeTxpPbYTyQP3OoAcuwxBMx1g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1506A489-840D-4A01-B720-DE1D8BE7DE75@gmail.com>

I don’t feel faces except in the case of relying on it as a flirtation device.

Antonio

On Oct 5, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello.  This is an interesting topic.  I've very rarely touched
> someone's face.  I have done a couple times if they were a close
> friend, or a girl friend.  To me, it would be weird asking people who
> I'd just met if I could touch their face.  Also, in today's society I
> think most people even if they would let a blind person touch their
> face would feel very unconfortable going through that experience.  I
> think the only people I might do it would be either my wife, or close
> family members.  I am currently attending a training center in Chicago
> where many of the adults are newly blinded, or haven't been blind very
> long.  No one at the center to my knowledge has touched each others
> face, I know I've never been asked if someone could touch my face
> while being at the center.
> 
> On 10/4/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see no need
>> to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of time most of
>> the time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
>> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that feeling
>> faces to determine looks is a myth.
>>   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the case of
>> Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either.
>>  Darian
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's voices
>> such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to imagine
>> what someone looks like.
>>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 11 21:56:32 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 17:56:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZVYS-hFyJ+e4gZzwN=4S=6Gbn9aNyYhn4cXrRKSQOJmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5400ff94.e4e3440a.1c2f.2607@mx.google.com><CAJMVeY2s43D7RLQyBxQ+rCzcXJjhPyLg+Mz8HhHfWr68sLtRtA@mail.gmail.com><CADUoy9tavpF_xi_T+K0ya4P44=bQ-pPb-6HNJT7om82RpfzTuw@mail.gmail.com><491BC317-40F2-4B1B-9175-046DE993CA16@gmail.com><002f01cfc3f3$0ec192b0$2c44b810$@net><540b9e4a.444ae00a.64df.2e15SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<CAFja7FZVYS-hFyJ+e4gZzwN=4S=6Gbn9aNyYhn4cXrRKSQOJmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F8F8B60F1DD74B7B9EC9B3F6F64F36E9@OwnerPC>

Hi,
I thought I'd comment on that subject albeit a little old.
I also had social problems in high school. I struggled to be accepted. I 
also found due to the pace of school and a few minutes between classes, I 
hardly had time to get to know people, let alone develop a good friendship.

I was in clubs but that only helped minimally. I joined spanish club for 
instance.
Like Kaiti's experience, my college years proved better socially.

But still it was not easy finding and making friends. I could never say hi 
to familiar people walking about as I could not identify them. I made 
friends in bible study but that was about it.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:52 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question

I have to agree with what Kurt and Lillie said, as my high school
experience wasn't terribly great either.  I did all right, and I
wasn't bullied or anything, but people didn't go out of their way to
return social gestures I tried to put out, and that ultimately led to
me being kind of depressed in my junior year.  Ironically, that was
when I got senioritis, and it really didn't improve till I got
accepted to my college and was relieved to get out of there.

I did a lot of what was recommended by others on this list.  I was in
the marching band for 4 years plus my 8th grade year by invitation; I
was on the academic quiz team and was valuable in answering the music
and genetics questions for the team; I was in women's chorus for one
year; I was an honors/AP student.  Many of my honors and ApP
classmates, bandmates, quiz team members were kids I had grown up with
since elementary school, so I think around middle school was when the
blindness started to become a stigma.  Kids in my junior and senior
classes didn't even speak to me, when we would play together on the
elementary school playground.  It's really sad how shallow people can
get with age.

I have to disagree with Karl a little bit, because I consider myself
to be a pretty extroverted person and still had social issues in high
school.  Thankfully, these have subsided a little in college, but I
have managed to make quality friends in my fraternity, in my band
classes, and almost exclusively hang out with music majors now.  It
was different last year, and I had some of the same issues in mixed
groups where people didn't know me as well.  I think you just have to
try to find people who are like-minded, and remember that the people
who see blindness as a stigma or a problem you have aren't people
worth hanging around with anyway.  When you find the people who are
really cool, those are the ones you want to keep around.

On 9/6/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon, whomever you are,
>
> Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much with
> my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in
> conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids
> were holding me at arm's length.
> I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who
> were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
>   their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough to
> me," but at the end of the day they really don't
>>see the true values of being anything closer than an acquaintance.
>
>
>
>
>>would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being  someone to
>>be pitied.
>>
>>Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I was a
>> weird
>>child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be friends with
>> me.
>>There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what
>> elementary
>>school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know a few
>>pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended period of
>>pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid that was
>>quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other people my
>>age.
>>
>>Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I don't
>>really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends such as
>>posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on social
>> media,
>>and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really feel that
>> they
>>could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even the small
>>things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird
>> assignments
>>in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes have
>> trouble
>>coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a superficial
>>level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure if that's
>>the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than my sited
>>peers.
>>
>>Anyway, onto the original topic.
>>I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you like, or
>>have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
>>independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to the club
>> and
>>not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the start
>> that
>>you have something to contribute. I've met some of my afquaintances this
>>way.
>>
>>One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure that
>> your
>>school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they to set
>> you
>>up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I had a
>>group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in middle school
>>who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never prove it,
>>that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry for me
>> and
>>to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It served as
>> a
>>very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else has hod to
>>go through that.
>>
>>I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I am sure
>> most
>>of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount them or
>>create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via
>> nabs-l
>>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
>>To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question
>>
>>This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to realize, if
>>only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a normal person
>>and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better since, as
>>I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, but it's
>> not
>>an easy thing.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
>> > Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
>> > comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
>> > classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty good
>> > laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class of
>> > students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher being
>> > afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since I'd
>> > been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be afraid to
>> > talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
>> > blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a girl
>> > after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
>> > questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even in my
>> > usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to me in
>> > the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, that I
>> > had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a blind
>> > person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a different
>> > question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way you
>> > talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.  Good
>> > luck.
>> >
>> >> On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I joke
>> >> about stuff all the time (smile)
>> >>
>> >>> On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
>> >>> I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may seem
>> >>> hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
>> >>> have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
>> >>> others, no one notices I'm blind.
>> >>> It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
>> >>> I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
>> >>> ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school could
>> >>> go).
>> >>> I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) Two
>> >>> girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to me,
>> >>> (same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
>> >>> friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
>> >>> talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
>> >>> friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I can
>> >>> ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between Michelle
>> >>> and Jessica, but I'm getting better.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
>> >>> open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't see
>> >>> the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
>> >>> Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
>> >>> It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
>> >>> whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, you
>> >>> can ask."
>> >>> They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
>> >>> won't.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:49 -0600
>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
>> >>> me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all
>> >>> of my classes there are different kids ,
>> >>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 11 22:05:18 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:05:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible survey site?
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Marissa,
I don't think you'd be able to do this from an apex; that is not meant to 
replace a computer.
Use a pc and if you use a less cluttered site, you may be able to do a 
survey.

Try survey monkey; it worked for me a few years back.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:33 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible survey site?

Hi,

Does anyone know of any sites that I can create free surveys,
polls, and questionairs for free and accessible on the Apex?

Thanks,
  Marissa

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 11 22:21:32 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:21:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
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Hi,
I did not like Ace's response. Any new progress on this legislation? I 
understand its not the teach act but is in some other higher education bill 
now.
Will such a bill be passed? who are its sponsors?

There's a lot of     inaccessible technology, so we really need this act 
asap.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Mary Fernandez via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:37 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence

All,
As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
on Teach for the Boston Globe.
Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
can be found here:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).

To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
it is highly uneducated rubbish.
So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
And start commenting right away!
This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou

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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 11 22:49:57 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:49:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question about DAZY software
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Hi,
Yes. if you use learning ally or bookshare, you can download a free daisy 
reader from their site as part of your membership. for learning ally, its 
readHere.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 03, 2014 3:08 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] question about DAZY software

Hi all:
So, I had a copy of JAWS during high school along with a Braillenote,
so I usually kept switching between the 2 for books--FS Reader would
come in handy for Learning Ally books, which I would often download
because they weren't available on Bookshare.
But now I don't have JAWS anymore, since that copy was specific to my
high school,
and I can't get JAWS from rehab as of yet since I'm neither in college
nor working at this point due to state residency requirements.
I tried NVDA but didn't like it too much and ended up going for the
Access Anywhere System Access package.
My problem though is that,although System Access and Access Anywhere
is great, I've lost FSReader.
I tried running it several times without JAWS but it kept crashing,
and apparently Freedom Scientific doesn't have a stand alone version
of the product.
Anyone have any ideas for free software-based DAIZY readers?
(I also gave my braillenote back to the DOE since that was a loan 
basically.)

Thanks,

Jorge

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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sat Oct 11 23:27:44 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 18:27:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Again, that is why I would touch someone's face.  I have touch my kids' and
grandkids' faces when they were and are babies.  But to just touch a face to
be touching it, is not something I wish to do.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
Guimaraes via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 10:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I don't feel faces except in the case of relying on it as a flirtation
device.

Antonio

On Oct 5, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello.  This is an interesting topic.  I've very rarely touched 
> someone's face.  I have done a couple times if they were a close 
> friend, or a girl friend.  To me, it would be weird asking people who 
> I'd just met if I could touch their face.  Also, in today's society I 
> think most people even if they would let a blind person touch their 
> face would feel very unconfortable going through that experience.  I 
> think the only people I might do it would be either my wife, or close 
> family members.  I am currently attending a training center in Chicago 
> where many of the adults are newly blinded, or haven't been blind very 
> long.  No one at the center to my knowledge has touched each others 
> face, I know I've never been asked if someone could touch my face 
> while being at the center.
> 
> On 10/4/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see 
>> no need to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of 
>> time most of the time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian 
>> Smith via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
>> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that 
>> feeling faces to determine looks is a myth.
>>   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the 
>> case of Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either.
>>  Darian
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's 
>>> voices
>> such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to 
>> imagine what someone looks like.
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Oct 12 01:41:12 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:41:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
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Great do you remember working with her

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jimmy I wanted to tell you that I found the teacher that I was looking quite from Perkins.  I wrote her an email and received a response the next day.  Thank you very much for your help with this.
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Sun Oct 12 01:44:49 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 21:44:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] College textbook
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Hi, 
Please disregard what I just sent. Sorry for the one liners!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 11, 2014, at 9:41 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Great do you remember working with her
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jun 24, 2014, at 9:43 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Jimmy I wanted to tell you that I found the teacher that I was looking quite from Perkins.  I wrote her an email and received a response the next day.  Thank you very much for your help with this.
>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 02:05:15 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2014 22:05:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Ohio Convention and the Ohio Association of Blind Students
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ6xEWHHyw4n90ZEHc09cjHQ-U=nJmZ0YxagpH6jOB-xA@mail.gmail.com>

Are you a student in the middle school grades or higher?  Are you
interested in joining a group of blind students who can serve as a
support system, resource, and/or social and advocacy group for you?
Are you looking to become more involved in the Federation, and do you
currently reside and/or attend school in the state of Ohio?

If the answer to these questions is yes, the Ohio Association of Blind
Students would love to meet you during our seminar at the 2014
convention of the National Federation of the Blind of Ohio from Oct
31-Nov 2 at the Holiday Inn in Wurthington Ohio.  In addition to
conducting yearly business, OABS will provide ***FREE PIZZA***, and
will hopefully have a visit from this year's national rep, Dr. Mark
Maurer.    Dues will be collected before voting, and will give
individuals the right to participate in the democratic process of
elections.

Can't make it to the convention, but still want to join?  No problem.
Email oabs.nfb at gmail.com for more information, and stay tuned for
details on how to send your dues to our 2014-2015 treasurer.

Any interested students can feel free to join the OABS list serve,
which can be found at nfbnet.org.


-- 
Kaiti Shelton
President, The Ohio Association of Blind Students (OABS).


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 05:24:34 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:24:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Lol; mean neither.

Grin.
 Flert.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
Guimaraes via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:39 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I don't feel faces except in the case of relying on it as a flirtation
device.

Antonio

On Oct 5, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello.  This is an interesting topic.  I've very rarely touched 
> someone's face.  I have done a couple times if they were a close 
> friend, or a girl friend.  To me, it would be weird asking people who 
> I'd just met if I could touch their face.  Also, in today's society I 
> think most people even if they would let a blind person touch their 
> face would feel very unconfortable going through that experience.  I 
> think the only people I might do it would be either my wife, or close 
> family members.  I am currently attending a training center in Chicago 
> where many of the adults are newly blinded, or haven't been blind very 
> long.  No one at the center to my knowledge has touched each others 
> face, I know I've never been asked if someone could touch my face 
> while being at the center.
> 
> On 10/4/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see 
>> no need to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of 
>> time most of the time.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian 
>> Smith via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
>> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that 
>> feeling faces to determine looks is a myth.
>>   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the 
>> case of Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either.
>>  Darian
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's 
>>> voices
>> such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to 
>> imagine what someone looks like.
>>> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sun Oct 12 05:49:39 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 01:49:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
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Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to suggest something here, since we are not having success for the TEACH Act to to be approve by Congress; i don't know if you have tried this. Have we tried getting a Lobbysts or Lobbysts from Congress to help us fight regarding this issue with the TEACH Act? Just curious. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
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INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 11, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I did not like Ace's response. Any new progress on this legislation? I understand its not the teach act but is in some other higher education bill now.
> Will such a bill be passed? who are its sponsors?
> 
> There's a lot of     inaccessible technology, so we really need this act asap.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Mary Fernandez via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 1:37 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
> 
> All,
> As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
> act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
> out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
> their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
> could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
> Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
> on Teach for the Boston Globe.
> Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
> prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
> There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
> can be found here:
> http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
> The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
> https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).
> 
> To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
> oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
> current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
> universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
> it is highly uneducated rubbish.
> So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
> talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
> on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
> about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
> I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
> Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
> And start commenting right away!
> This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
> comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Mon Oct 13 01:52:39 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2014 21:52:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Update us! NABS notes Request for state updates
Message-ID: <CAKcQTGZuPPeUTw598_qwxebxsU=c59zBkPgf_6KhQ8xoXWUTdg@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Students,
Hopefully this October finds you well. As we on the communications
committee assemble our monthly issue of NABS notes, we are excited to
hear what your state is up to! If you have announcements and/ or
updates from your student’s state division which you would like
published in our next month’s edition, you are most welcome to send
them along to Gabe at:
Gcazares10 at gmail.com
Or Rebecca at:
becsjoynfb at gmail.com
cheers,
Rebecca~


From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 01:04:48 2014
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Mon, 13 Oct 2014 21:04:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Commands for Tracking Changes in Word
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s7=o53sQT1xBHhyaV=tnOGnm0RfwBmX1fn8hf-Bm67SeQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All,

Hope this message finds you well.  I am sending it to the 2 lists who
may have someone who may know the answer to my question.  I am trying
to figure out the JAWS keyboard commands for Track Changes in Word?  I
know of Control+Shift+', but don't know any others.  The only command
I know brings up a list of the comments made, but I don't know what if
any would show the other changes made.

Thanks in advance!

Justin


From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 21:58:42 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 17:58:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Commands for Tracking Changes in Word
In-Reply-To: <CA+3U9s7=o53sQT1xBHhyaV=tnOGnm0RfwBmX1fn8hf-Bm67SeQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <003b01cfe7fa$04f79b50$0ee6d1f0$@gmail.com>

Hi, I don't know that anyone responded to your question, but Insert+Shift+R
will bring up the list of revisions. Remember to make use of the context
help, Insert+H, to bring up a list of all the commands available to you in a
given application. Hope this helps.--Joe

--
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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:05 PM
To: National list; Blind List
Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Commands for Tracking Changes in Word

Hello All,

Hope this message finds you well.  I am sending it to the 2 lists who may
have someone who may know the answer to my question.  I am trying to figure
out the JAWS keyboard commands for Track Changes in Word?  I know of
Control+Shift+', but don't know any others.  The only command I know brings
up a list of the comments made, but I don't know what if any would show the
other changes made.

Thanks in advance!

Justin

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From jty727 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 14 22:51:49 2014
From: jty727 at gmail.com (Justin Young)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 18:51:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Commands for Tracking Changes in Word
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References: <CA+3U9s7=o53sQT1xBHhyaV=tnOGnm0RfwBmX1fn8hf-Bm67SeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<003b01cfe7fa$04f79b50$0ee6d1f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3U9s5Bn-1Jn3HLTUjUK57i85h2SWV_eYPMpWUVowQAksN=iA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Joe,

Thanks so very much!  This helps much!

Justin

On 10/14/14, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, I don't know that anyone responded to your question, but Insert+Shift+R
> will bring up the list of revisions. Remember to make use of the context
> help, Insert+H, to bring up a list of all the commands available to you in
> a
> given application. Hope this helps.--Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Justin Young
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, October 13, 2014 9:05 PM
> To: National list; Blind List
> Subject: [nabs-l] Keyboard Commands for Tracking Changes in Word
>
> Hello All,
>
> Hope this message finds you well.  I am sending it to the 2 lists who may
> have someone who may know the answer to my question.  I am trying to figure
> out the JAWS keyboard commands for Track Changes in Word?  I know of
> Control+Shift+', but don't know any others.  The only command I know brings
> up a list of the comments made, but I don't know what if any would show the
> other changes made.
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> Justin
>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 01:37:04 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:37:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions about Pages
Message-ID: <543dcfc5.8840e00a.4eca.ffffe2ef@mx.google.com>

Hi Everyone,

So I've started to use Pages and AccessNote on my iPhone for 
wordprocessing for school.  Tonight I encountered two issues, 
both of which are probably matters of a beginner missing 
something, but which are causing me to take much more time on my 
homework than it should.  I know many students are abandoning the 
old notetakers for Braille displays and iOS devices, so there 
must be workarounds for these.

First, is there a quick way to navigate between 2 documents in 
which I am working? For example, if I am answering questions 
based on an article, how can I switch quickly between the article 
and the questions without losing my place in either? Currently 
I'm having to go back to the home screen of the app, find the 
document, scan down to find my place, then edit it.  Doing this 
many times is making homework take forever.  There must be a 
shortcut, but I'm missing it.  Any tips?

Also, I noticed today that, when I'm trying to edit something on 
the second page of a document, the second page does not show when 
I double tap on its text field.  Instead, my cursor is focused on 
the first page again and the second page is not even visible.  I 
called Apple and attempted to talk with their accessibility 
department, but I'm not sure who they transferred me to.  They're 
stumped, so I'm hoping you guys can enlighten me.  Thanks in 
advance for any help you can give.

Chris


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 04:51:53 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 21:51:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
Message-ID: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
Best,
Arielle


From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 05:13:19 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:13:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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I have experienced this on multiple occasions. I have an intense dislike for being touched by people, and generally feel extremely distressed and have a hard time carrying on a conversation with people who do this. My first instinct is to say that it's related to our blindness. It's like people think we have less of a right to our own bodies, or just don't need as much personal space as non-disabled people. On the other hand, I know that some people are just more touchy-feely than others, and make physical contact with everyone. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2014, at 21:51, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 05:20:13 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:20:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Hi,

I totally understand what you mean. It is especially hard for me in
that context; it is probably someone you won't see again, at a happy,
family-oriented event, and done by someone who truely means well.

If it is not that type of context, I will try to move away from the
contact if I can. If it is someone who I know I will interact with
more, or if our conversation continues, and if moving away doesn't
help, then I might just mention that I know they mean well, but that I
am not a super physical person. Or something more eloquent than that.
However, I have had my fair share of experiences when I did not have
the courage to introduce the potentially awkward phrase.

What bothers me the most is that I feel like I have to justify it.
There are some cultures where physical contact is much more frequent
and acceptable than ours, and I get the impression that, considering
our culture,  when interacting with strangers or acquaintances, I get
more physical contact than sighted people. Maybe if someone is pretty
drunk, they will be more "physical," but I do get the feeling that
blindness often has something to do with it even though when someone
gets the social cues that I am not particularly fond of physical
contact, they tend  to justify it with something like, "Oh, I just hug
everyone."

No, they probably don't. I don't think that many people actually do
that. And I do get the sense that they wouldn't talk to a sighted
stranger or acquaintance in a side hug or even qualify their actions
in such a way if they did engage in those behaviors.

Occasionally, I get someone who touches me because they know another
blind person who appreciates it, and very rarely, people touch me to
let me know where they are. Once, this guy at a bar lifted my hand to
touch his face. It was absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. I
definitely called him out for it, and I think he was pretty
embarrassed, as he should have been.

I do see this happening more with children than I do with adults. So
it definitely makes we wonder. And I appreciate the conversation as I
feel that I am often made to feel like a prude when I don't appreciate
someone's "well meaning" physical contact. To me, it is a step further
than the "well meaning" compliments. One's body is an incredibly
personal thing, and I wish more people would respect my preference to
not be touched. Not even to actively respect it as if they are
supposed to know that particular fact about me before engaging in
conversation, but I would appreciate people not assuming that I
somehow need to be touched, or that touching me somehow better conveys
what they want to say or is justifiable because it somehow satisfies
their end of the social interaction.

The only time I appreciate being touched is when I am talking to a
deaf person speaking sign with an interpreter. I want to make sure I
am looking at the person I am speaking to, because I tend to look
toward the voice. So I will often ask the person to indicate where
they are. Shaking their hand helps, but if we don't do that for some
reason or I already know them, it is helpful when they touch my
shoulder.

I had a culture shock when  I visited the Deaf Blind Retreat in
Western Washington this year. Physical contact is very commonplace in
the culture, and I tried my best to respect that, but it was still
very hard to let everyone I met touch me.

Cindy


On 10/14/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 05:33:34 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Tue, 14 Oct 2014 22:33:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Hello:
While there are certainly cultural considerations that are worth thinking about, I am going to make A sweeping generalization, here.
I am of the belief that people tend to initiate physical contact a lot more with blind people van they would someone who isn't blind.
I have heard sighted people justify this by saying that they would think that they would appreciate being touched as it would serve to calm them in situations where they would be nervous 
Personally I don't see where being touched by someone you don't know is acceptable for any reason  I have grown up and neighborhoods/environments that were not necessarily the safest and one doesn't know what someone is thinking when they're going to grab you   For this reason, I do find myself to be a little more defensive for sure.
Darian 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2014, at 10:20 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> I totally understand what you mean. It is especially hard for me in
> that context; it is probably someone you won't see again, at a happy,
> family-oriented event, and done by someone who truely means well.
> 
> If it is not that type of context, I will try to move away from the
> contact if I can. If it is someone who I know I will interact with
> more, or if our conversation continues, and if moving away doesn't
> help, then I might just mention that I know they mean well, but that I
> am not a super physical person. Or something more eloquent than that.
> However, I have had my fair share of experiences when I did not have
> the courage to introduce the potentially awkward phrase.
> 
> What bothers me the most is that I feel like I have to justify it.
> There are some cultures where physical contact is much more frequent
> and acceptable than ours, and I get the impression that, considering
> our culture,  when interacting with strangers or acquaintances, I get
> more physical contact than sighted people. Maybe if someone is pretty
> drunk, they will be more "physical," but I do get the feeling that
> blindness often has something to do with it even though when someone
> gets the social cues that I am not particularly fond of physical
> contact, they tend  to justify it with something like, "Oh, I just hug
> everyone."
> 
> No, they probably don't. I don't think that many people actually do
> that. And I do get the sense that they wouldn't talk to a sighted
> stranger or acquaintance in a side hug or even qualify their actions
> in such a way if they did engage in those behaviors.
> 
> Occasionally, I get someone who touches me because they know another
> blind person who appreciates it, and very rarely, people touch me to
> let me know where they are. Once, this guy at a bar lifted my hand to
> touch his face. It was absolutely disgusting and unacceptable. I
> definitely called him out for it, and I think he was pretty
> embarrassed, as he should have been.
> 
> I do see this happening more with children than I do with adults. So
> it definitely makes we wonder. And I appreciate the conversation as I
> feel that I am often made to feel like a prude when I don't appreciate
> someone's "well meaning" physical contact. To me, it is a step further
> than the "well meaning" compliments. One's body is an incredibly
> personal thing, and I wish more people would respect my preference to
> not be touched. Not even to actively respect it as if they are
> supposed to know that particular fact about me before engaging in
> conversation, but I would appreciate people not assuming that I
> somehow need to be touched, or that touching me somehow better conveys
> what they want to say or is justifiable because it somehow satisfies
> their end of the social interaction.
> 
> The only time I appreciate being touched is when I am talking to a
> deaf person speaking sign with an interpreter. I want to make sure I
> am looking at the person I am speaking to, because I tend to look
> toward the voice. So I will often ask the person to indicate where
> they are. Shaking their hand helps, but if we don't do that for some
> reason or I already know them, it is helpful when they touch my
> shoulder.
> 
> I had a culture shock when  I visited the Deaf Blind Retreat in
> Western Washington this year. Physical contact is very commonplace in
> the culture, and I tried my best to respect that, but it was still
> very hard to let everyone I met touch me.
> 
> Cindy
> 
> 
>> On 10/14/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>> 
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> 1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
> 
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 11:53:47 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 04:53:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work...  advice?
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Good morning, "Davie,

         Just wanted, I think again, to tell you if yiou wanna talk 
about some of your sexual/romantic inconsistancies, as well as any 
experience or lack there of I, too, have some unevenness in that area 
and if you feel it, would like to air it, I'm here?
If you want, you can write me or you can call 408-209-3239
for today, CarAt 05:35 PM 12/27/2013, you wrote:
>Hi Beth.  One of the things that happened with me is during high school and
>stuff I never dated.  I never went to the prom or anything so I kind of knew
>how to deal with firls but not totally.  I've got sort of some weird stuff
>going on when it comes to sexual stuff  and all.  If you want you can email
>me off list because I don't want to post it  and I don't want the whole list
>to know.  Feel free to mail me or skype me if you want to talk more.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi
>Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 4:30 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice?
>
>Blocking is the only way to get a harasser off the phone, but there's
>something that blind people most often do not learn.  We are not often
>taught the proper way to deal with sexual advances nor are girls, in this
>case your case, taught to call boys.  My mother had an archaic view of
>girls, the sweet, quiet, shy kind.  Well, I've got bad news for all of us:
>Blake calls me online every day, but I call Blake on some occasions.  We
>have a balance of who calls whom, and Blake is aware of my problems.
>Perhaps the parents of the girl did not learn what the girl might have.  She
>could be mentally unstable, mentally unable to deal with the advancement of
>others. She could also be creeping your friend out because she didn't learn
>the proper way to deal with boys.
>As for you, she's probably using you, Kaiti, to get to the boy.  Please
>email me off list.  I have some tales to tell you about myself and what
>happened.  Do you have Skype?  I can give you that.
>Sincerely,
>Beth Taurasi
>NFB of Denver/Mile High Chapter,
>Denver, Colorado
>Skype ID: denverqueen0920
>
>On 12/27/2013 3:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
> > Hi all,
>  >
>  > I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite  >
>sure how to handle it.  Thoughts?
>  >
>  > Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for  >
>students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments.
>  > This Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show  >
>students and parents from around the state different employment  > options
>that were available, ranging from vending and call center  > jobs to taking
>the college route to get a degree in a two or four  > year program.  A
>friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other,
>  > were hanging out early on.   All of a sudden, this other girl was
>  > hanging all over him and would not give him his personal space.  It  >
>was very odd, considering that this was a very short period of time  > in
>which this all happened.  Less than 24 hours after the students  > had met,
>my friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and  > unwanted
>attention that he began to avoid this girl.  Other students,  > seeing how
>creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to  > the same thing,
>ended up following suit.
>  >
>  > I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend.  The girl  > was
>very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more  > patient
>with her throughout the weekend.  She seemed to be worse  > with the guys
>than the girls too, so I had a little more space than  > my friend.
>  >
>  > About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started  >
>calling my house.  The parents at the program were given a list of  > the
>other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so  > they could
>swap resources if they so chose.  This girl got the list  > from her
>parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly  > other
>students as well although I am not sure.  The calls started off  > being
>about once every so often, then increased.  She was a very odd  > girl, and
>liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my  > friend. There
>was nothing social about the calls, just complaining  > and negativity, and
>mumbling which was really weird.  He quit talking  > to her much sooner than
>I did because I tried to get her to see that  > being visually impaired,
>(she didn't like the word blind since she  > was a large print reader, and
>kind of used that to elivate herself  > above other people), was not the
>worst thing in the world. She would  > cry and complain, and even tell me I
>didn't understand how bad  > things were, when her descriptions of things
>made it sound like she  > was very overdramatic.  I decided at the end of my
>junior year, a  > year after the calls started coming, that I didn't want to
>talk to a  > downer, and that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that
> > blindness didn't mean the end of the world.
>  >
>  > The girl continued to call.  My senior year was very busy with  >
>activities and preparing for college.  I would come home from  > marching
>band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because  > the girl had
>kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a  > span of a few hours.
>They didn't want to answer the phone because  > whenever someone told her I
>wasn't home she would instantly get teary  > and mumble things to herself,
>and it was very weird, but they didn't  > want her to continue calling
>either.  I remember one night over  > Christmas break of that year, she
>called and when I told her I was  > getting ready to leave the house, which
>I was to go pick up someone  > coming in from out of town for the holidays
>with my family, she got  > angry and wanted me to give her my cell phone
>number.  I told her  > that I didn't want to give it out, and she started to
>get upset.
>  > Then I really had to go, and there was the characteristic mumbling.
>  >
>  > My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've  >
>been in college that the girl has continued to call.  My mom has  > told her
>that I live at school and do not come home much multiple  > times. My
>younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've  > moved away and
>have begun making up different things to tell her to  > try to discourage
>her from calling.  She continues to call, and  > around Christmas it is
>always terrible.  A few nights ago she called  > when my parents were asleep
>a little after  11:00 at night, and has  > apparently called and left
>messages late at night before.  My parents  > have to get up very early for
>work, so In order to stop the ringing  > and to prevent a message from
>playing over the machine I had to  > answer.  Everything was exactly the
>same.  I was heading to bed  > myself, so I told her that I was asleep when
>she asked for me.  The  > fact that she had called at such a late hour
>didn't seem to phase  > her, there was just the mumbling and usual stuff
>coming over the  > line.
>  >
>  > I don't quite know what to do.  I've tried to be positive with her  > and
>that hasn't worked.  My family has told her that I no longer live  > at home
>and am away at school among other things in frustration, but  > nothing
>seems to phase her.  I know she still calls my friend's  > house as well,
>even though he does not live at home any more either.
>  > I don't quite know what to do about this.  I barely know her and she  >
>barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with  > no
>success.  My parents and siblings have said that we should just  > block her
>calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in  > high school
>because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly  > forgot about her
>for the most part while I was at school last year  > and last semester
>because I can't get calls from her there. After  > the call a few nights
>ago, I don't really know what to think.  I am  > slightly creeped out that
>even after my parents have told her I am  > not home for the past year and a
>half that the calls are still  > coming.  What do you think I should do?
>  >
>  > -- Kaiti
>  >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct 15 12:32:39 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 05:32:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Good morning, Arielle,
-American studies class at the local junior college, the instructor 
much to my appreciation would engage my body in much a same way as 
you described while talking to me, AI must say it made me feel like 
teach was particularly engaged with me as well as the subject matter 
at hand. So, I dug it, would look forward to our chats.
I'm talking also, totally non-sexual and  non-erotic, just laying a 
hand on my shoulder, arm or hand. I really appreciated it!
Have a good day, Arielle!
for today, CCar

         As a matter of fact, one semester, I was taking an Afrikan 
At 09:51 PM 10/14/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>Best,
>Arielle
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:22:24 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:22:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
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Dear All,,

I'd like to give you another update on the progress towards my 
independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the library and met my 
dad along to path to my next class.  After class I walked out of 
the Business Administration building and met him on the walkway 
where he took me to meet my grandfather at his car.


From michael.capelle at charter.net  Wed Oct 15 13:26:07 2014
From: michael.capelle at charter.net (Michael Capelle)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:26:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
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hi there, that is awesome, keep it up!

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From: "Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:22 AM
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence


> Dear All,,
>
> I'd like to give you another update on the progress towards my 
> independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the library and met my dad along 
> to path to my next class.  After class I walked out of the Business 
> Administration building and met him on the walkway where he took me to 
> meet my grandfather at his car.
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:40:22 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:40:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <60D6428D93FB428A96D69FCA22EF2714@COMPUTER1>
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	<60D6428D93FB428A96D69FCA22EF2714@COMPUTER1>
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Keep it up. Pretty soon you'll get used to it and being alone will
turn into something which is super normal to you.
I started using my cane at the age of 22. At first it was extremely
difficult. The difficulty was in my brain, in practicle it was not
that much horrible.
Then I got used to it, now I never give up using my cane. It's my ever
best friend. It comes everywhere with me.
Feeling independent is the most wonderful emotion for me. I don't
afraid being alone, losing my parents, having an argument with my
friends or ending a relationship anymore. I mean not more than any
regular person. Because I don't feel I have to be with them to live.
So independence= fredom+self-compatency+ more healthy relationships+
lower anxiety.
It worths to use a cane.
Keep posting here. I love hearing from you.


2014-10-15 9:26 GMT-04:00, Michael Capelle via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> hi there, that is awesome, keep it up!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 8:22 AM
> Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
>
>
>> Dear All,,
>>
>> I'd like to give you another update on the progress towards my
>> independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the library and met my dad along
>>
>> to path to my next class.  After class I walked out of the Business
>> Administration building and met him on the walkway where he took me to
>> meet my grandfather at his car.
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 13:52:26 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:52:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
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Keep up the good work. Before long you'll be able to do any and everything and the struggles you have be a distant memory. You can do it or all supporting and standing behind you in this journey

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 8:22 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,,
> 
> I'd like to give you another update on the progress towards my independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the library and met my dad along to path to my next class.  After class I walked out of the Business Administration building and met him on the walkway where he took me to meet my grandfather at his car.
> 
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:16:16 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 08:16:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] happy white cane day
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt2NQU1yVLSiVsw85YPd2UFzKQ2-dmWxCLk0miADpARFBw@mail.gmail.com>

happy white cane day everyone


From sandragayer7 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 14:53:59 2014
From: sandragayer7 at gmail.com (Sandra Gayer)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:53:59 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] happy white cane day
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Hello Ana,
Is White Cane Day this day every year? I've never heard of it but it
sounds exciting! I live in Europe and it sounds as though we could do
with something like this.

Very best wishes,
Sandra.

On 10/15/14, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> happy white cane day everyone
>
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:19:27 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 11:19:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work...  advice?
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  Definitely wanting attention from someone no matter what it takes is 
my diagnosis. What to do? ignore ignore ignore

El 15/10/2014 06:53 a.m., Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l escribió:
> Good morning, "Davie,
>
>         Just wanted, I think again, to tell you if yiou wanna talk 
> about some of your sexual/romantic inconsistancies, as well as any 
> experience or lack there of I, too, have some unevenness in that area 
> and if you feel it, would like to air it, I'm here?
> If you want, you can write me or you can call 408-209-3239
> for today, CarAt 05:35 PM 12/27/2013, you wrote:
>> Hi Beth.  One of the things that happened with me is during high 
>> school and
>> stuff I never dated.  I never went to the prom or anything so I kind 
>> of knew
>> how to deal with firls but not totally.  I've got sort of some weird 
>> stuff
>> going on when it comes to sexual stuff  and all.  If you want you can 
>> email
>> me off list because I don't want to post it  and I don't want the 
>> whole list
>> to know.  Feel free to mail me or skype me if you want to talk more.
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth 
>> Taurasi
>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 4:30 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... 
>> advice?
>>
>> Blocking is the only way to get a harasser off the phone, but there's
>> something that blind people most often do not learn.  We are not often
>> taught the proper way to deal with sexual advances nor are girls, in 
>> this
>> case your case, taught to call boys.  My mother had an archaic view of
>> girls, the sweet, quiet, shy kind.  Well, I've got bad news for all 
>> of us:
>> Blake calls me online every day, but I call Blake on some occasions.  We
>> have a balance of who calls whom, and Blake is aware of my problems.
>> Perhaps the parents of the girl did not learn what the girl might 
>> have.  She
>> could be mentally unstable, mentally unable to deal with the 
>> advancement of
>> others. She could also be creeping your friend out because she didn't 
>> learn
>> the proper way to deal with boys.
>> As for you, she's probably using you, Kaiti, to get to the boy.  Please
>> email me off list.  I have some tales to tell you about myself and what
>> happened.  Do you have Skype?  I can give you that.
>> Sincerely,
>> Beth Taurasi
>> NFB of Denver/Mile High Chapter,
>> Denver, Colorado
>> Skype ID: denverqueen0920
>>
>> On 12/27/2013 3:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite >
>> sure how to handle it.  Thoughts?
>> >
>> > Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for >
>> students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments.
>> > This Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show >
>> students and parents from around the state different employment > 
>> options
>> that were available, ranging from vending and call center > jobs to 
>> taking
>> the college route to get a degree in a two or four > year program.  A
>> friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other,
>> > were hanging out early on.   All of a sudden, this other girl was
>> > hanging all over him and would not give him his personal space.  It >
>> was very odd, considering that this was a very short period of time > in
>> which this all happened.  Less than 24 hours after the students > had 
>> met,
>> my friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and > unwanted
>> attention that he began to avoid this girl.  Other students, > seeing 
>> how
>> creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to > the same 
>> thing,
>> ended up following suit.
>> >
>> > I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend.  The girl 
>> > was
>> very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more > 
>> patient
>> with her throughout the weekend.  She seemed to be worse > with the guys
>> than the girls too, so I had a little more space than > my friend.
>> >
>> > About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started >
>> calling my house.  The parents at the program were given a list of > the
>> other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so > they 
>> could
>> swap resources if they so chose.  This girl got the list > from her
>> parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly > other
>> students as well although I am not sure.  The calls started off > being
>> about once every so often, then increased.  She was a very odd > 
>> girl, and
>> liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my > friend. 
>> There
>> was nothing social about the calls, just complaining > and 
>> negativity, and
>> mumbling which was really weird.  He quit talking > to her much 
>> sooner than
>> I did because I tried to get her to see that > being visually impaired,
>> (she didn't like the word blind since she > was a large print reader, 
>> and
>> kind of used that to elivate herself > above other people), was not the
>> worst thing in the world. She would > cry and complain, and even tell 
>> me I
>> didn't understand how bad > things were, when her descriptions of things
>> made it sound like she > was very overdramatic.  I decided at the end 
>> of my
>> junior year, a > year after the calls started coming, that I didn't 
>> want to
>> talk to a > downer, and that I wasn't going to be able to convince 
>> her that
>> > blindness didn't mean the end of the world.
>> >
>> > The girl continued to call.  My senior year was very busy with >
>> activities and preparing for college.  I would come home from > marching
>> band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because > the 
>> girl had
>> kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a > span of a few 
>> hours.
>> They didn't want to answer the phone because > whenever someone told 
>> her I
>> wasn't home she would instantly get teary > and mumble things to 
>> herself,
>> and it was very weird, but they didn't > want her to continue calling
>> either.  I remember one night over > Christmas break of that year, she
>> called and when I told her I was > getting ready to leave the house, 
>> which
>> I was to go pick up someone > coming in from out of town for the 
>> holidays
>> with my family, she got > angry and wanted me to give her my cell phone
>> number.  I told her > that I didn't want to give it out, and she 
>> started to
>> get upset.
>> > Then I really had to go, and there was the characteristic mumbling.
>> >
>> > My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've >
>> been in college that the girl has continued to call.  My mom has > 
>> told her
>> that I live at school and do not come home much multiple > times. My
>> younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've > moved 
>> away and
>> have begun making up different things to tell her to > try to discourage
>> her from calling.  She continues to call, and > around Christmas it is
>> always terrible.  A few nights ago she called > when my parents were 
>> asleep
>> a little after  11:00 at night, and has > apparently called and left
>> messages late at night before.  My parents > have to get up very 
>> early for
>> work, so In order to stop the ringing > and to prevent a message from
>> playing over the machine I had to > answer.  Everything was exactly the
>> same.  I was heading to bed > myself, so I told her that I was asleep 
>> when
>> she asked for me.  The > fact that she had called at such a late hour
>> didn't seem to phase > her, there was just the mumbling and usual stuff
>> coming over the > line.
>> >
>> > I don't quite know what to do.  I've tried to be positive with her 
>> > and
>> that hasn't worked.  My family has told her that I no longer live > 
>> at home
>> and am away at school among other things in frustration, but > nothing
>> seems to phase her.  I know she still calls my friend's > house as well,
>> even though he does not live at home any more either.
>> > I don't quite know what to do about this.  I barely know her and she >
>> barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with > no
>> success.  My parents and siblings have said that we should just > 
>> block her
>> calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in > high school
>> because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly > forgot about her
>> for the most part while I was at school last year > and last semester
>> because I can't get calls from her there. After > the call a few nights
>> ago, I don't really know what to think.  I am > slightly creeped out 
>> that
>> even after my parents have told her I am > not home for the past year 
>> and a
>> half that the calls are still > coming.  What do you think I should do?
>> >
>> > -- Kaiti
>> >
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:22:27 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:22:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The  History  of  White Cane Safety Day.
Message-ID: <5F61B758-9B54-4C85-95E2-30FB77B400B0@gmail.com>

here is a link that  talks about the history of White Cane   Safety day.
 I hope this is helpful.
 https://nfb.org/white-cane-safety-day
  Darian 


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:25:47 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 09:25:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work...  advice?
In-Reply-To: <543E9E8F.4030907@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7Fb6pHxaMqcfZJSuZdcrBhoOFkrT_O6RkHMbY0ySToiKWw@mail.gmail.com>	<52BE1B83.8030804@comcast.net>	<015501cf0364$b1a50a70$14ef1f50$@gmail.com>
	<543e6071.424ae50a.0fc5.4520SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<543E9E8F.4030907@gmail.com>
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Hi all:
 It seems as if this thread has long ago run it’s course.
 Would it be possible to contact the person you would really like to talk with off-list? I’m thinking we ought to put this one to rest for good.
  Thanks,
  Darian 
On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Definitely wanting attention from someone no matter what it takes is my diagnosis. What to do? ignore ignore ignore
> 
> El 15/10/2014 06:53 a.m., Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l escribió:
>> Good morning, "Davie,
>> 
>>        Just wanted, I think again, to tell you if yiou wanna talk about some of your sexual/romantic inconsistancies, as well as any experience or lack there of I, too, have some unevenness in that area and if you feel it, would like to air it, I'm here?
>> If you want, you can write me or you can call 408-209-3239
>> for today, CarAt 05:35 PM 12/27/2013, you wrote:
>>> Hi Beth.  One of the things that happened with me is during high school and
>>> stuff I never dated.  I never went to the prom or anything so I kind of knew
>>> how to deal with firls but not totally.  I've got sort of some weird stuff
>>> going on when it comes to sexual stuff  and all.  If you want you can email
>>> me off list because I don't want to post it  and I don't want the whole list
>>> to know.  Feel free to mail me or skype me if you want to talk more.
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth Taurasi
>>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 4:30 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice?
>>> 
>>> Blocking is the only way to get a harasser off the phone, but there's
>>> something that blind people most often do not learn.  We are not often
>>> taught the proper way to deal with sexual advances nor are girls, in this
>>> case your case, taught to call boys.  My mother had an archaic view of
>>> girls, the sweet, quiet, shy kind.  Well, I've got bad news for all of us:
>>> Blake calls me online every day, but I call Blake on some occasions.  We
>>> have a balance of who calls whom, and Blake is aware of my problems.
>>> Perhaps the parents of the girl did not learn what the girl might have.  She
>>> could be mentally unstable, mentally unable to deal with the advancement of
>>> others. She could also be creeping your friend out because she didn't learn
>>> the proper way to deal with boys.
>>> As for you, she's probably using you, Kaiti, to get to the boy.  Please
>>> email me off list.  I have some tales to tell you about myself and what
>>> happened.  Do you have Skype?  I can give you that.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Beth Taurasi
>>> NFB of Denver/Mile High Chapter,
>>> Denver, Colorado
>>> Skype ID: denverqueen0920
>>> 
>>> On 12/27/2013 3:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
>>> > Hi all,
>>> >
>>> > I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite >
>>> sure how to handle it.  Thoughts?
>>> >
>>> > Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for >
>>> students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments.
>>> > This Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show >
>>> students and parents from around the state different employment > options
>>> that were available, ranging from vending and call center > jobs to taking
>>> the college route to get a degree in a two or four > year program.  A
>>> friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other,
>>> > were hanging out early on.   All of a sudden, this other girl was
>>> > hanging all over him and would not give him his personal space.  It >
>>> was very odd, considering that this was a very short period of time > in
>>> which this all happened.  Less than 24 hours after the students > had met,
>>> my friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and > unwanted
>>> attention that he began to avoid this girl.  Other students, > seeing how
>>> creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to > the same thing,
>>> ended up following suit.
>>> >
>>> > I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend.  The girl > was
>>> very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more > patient
>>> with her throughout the weekend.  She seemed to be worse > with the guys
>>> than the girls too, so I had a little more space than > my friend.
>>> >
>>> > About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started >
>>> calling my house.  The parents at the program were given a list of > the
>>> other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so > they could
>>> swap resources if they so chose.  This girl got the list > from her
>>> parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly > other
>>> students as well although I am not sure.  The calls started off > being
>>> about once every so often, then increased.  She was a very odd > girl, and
>>> liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my > friend. There
>>> was nothing social about the calls, just complaining > and negativity, and
>>> mumbling which was really weird.  He quit talking > to her much sooner than
>>> I did because I tried to get her to see that > being visually impaired,
>>> (she didn't like the word blind since she > was a large print reader, and
>>> kind of used that to elivate herself > above other people), was not the
>>> worst thing in the world. She would > cry and complain, and even tell me I
>>> didn't understand how bad > things were, when her descriptions of things
>>> made it sound like she > was very overdramatic.  I decided at the end of my
>>> junior year, a > year after the calls started coming, that I didn't want to
>>> talk to a > downer, and that I wasn't going to be able to convince her that
>>> > blindness didn't mean the end of the world.
>>> >
>>> > The girl continued to call.  My senior year was very busy with >
>>> activities and preparing for college.  I would come home from > marching
>>> band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because > the girl had
>>> kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a > span of a few hours.
>>> They didn't want to answer the phone because > whenever someone told her I
>>> wasn't home she would instantly get teary > and mumble things to herself,
>>> and it was very weird, but they didn't > want her to continue calling
>>> either.  I remember one night over > Christmas break of that year, she
>>> called and when I told her I was > getting ready to leave the house, which
>>> I was to go pick up someone > coming in from out of town for the holidays
>>> with my family, she got > angry and wanted me to give her my cell phone
>>> number.  I told her > that I didn't want to give it out, and she started to
>>> get upset.
>>> > Then I really had to go, and there was the characteristic mumbling.
>>> >
>>> > My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've >
>>> been in college that the girl has continued to call.  My mom has > told her
>>> that I live at school and do not come home much multiple > times. My
>>> younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've > moved away and
>>> have begun making up different things to tell her to > try to discourage
>>> her from calling.  She continues to call, and > around Christmas it is
>>> always terrible.  A few nights ago she called > when my parents were asleep
>>> a little after  11:00 at night, and has > apparently called and left
>>> messages late at night before.  My parents > have to get up very early for
>>> work, so In order to stop the ringing > and to prevent a message from
>>> playing over the machine I had to > answer.  Everything was exactly the
>>> same.  I was heading to bed > myself, so I told her that I was asleep when
>>> she asked for me.  The > fact that she had called at such a late hour
>>> didn't seem to phase > her, there was just the mumbling and usual stuff
>>> coming over the > line.
>>> >
>>> > I don't quite know what to do.  I've tried to be positive with her > and
>>> that hasn't worked.  My family has told her that I no longer live > at home
>>> and am away at school among other things in frustration, but > nothing
>>> seems to phase her.  I know she still calls my friend's > house as well,
>>> even though he does not live at home any more either.
>>> > I don't quite know what to do about this.  I barely know her and she >
>>> barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with > no
>>> success.  My parents and siblings have said that we should just > block her
>>> calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in > high school
>>> because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly > forgot about her
>>> for the most part while I was at school last year > and last semester
>>> because I can't get calls from her there. After > the call a few nights
>>> ago, I don't really know what to think.  I am > slightly creeped out that
>>> even after my parents have told her I am > not home for the past year and a
>>> half that the calls are still > coming.  What do you think I should do?
>>> >
>>> > -- Kaiti
>>> >
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 16:29:33 2014
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:29:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Hi Arielle and all,

I have definitely had similar experiences with strangers and
acquaintances, and I too find such uninvited physical contact to be
quite uncomfortable. I would usually try to shift my body or take a
few steps away from the person - This usually gets the message across,
though I often find it somewhat awkward especially if the person in
question is  a family friend or distant relative (as it was in your
case). While I obviously can't speak to the motivation behind this
type of behaviors, I would venture to guess that this has something to
do with sighted people's tendency to treat blind people like children.
Given that people generally find it acceptable to ruffle a little
kid's hair or give him/her a hug, It seems that some sighted people
feel it's OK to do the same with those who are blind. It is also
possible that some sighted people are unsure about how to communicate
with us - Given that we can't see their facial expressions, they might
assume that the only way to let us know they are happy to see us/like
something we did is to use physical contact. Just my thoughts!

Katie


On 10/15/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, Arielle,
> -American studies class at the local junior college, the instructor
> much to my appreciation would engage my body in much a same way as
> you described while talking to me, AI must say it made me feel like
> teach was particularly engaged with me as well as the subject matter
> at hand. So, I dug it, would look forward to our chats.
> I'm talking also, totally non-sexual and  non-erotic, just laying a
> hand on my shoulder, arm or hand. I really appreciated it!
> Have a good day, Arielle!
> for today, CCar
>
>          As a matter of fact, one semester, I was taking an Afrikan
> At 09:51 PM 10/14/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>>what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>>married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>>short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>>approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>>husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>>were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>>back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>>because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>>with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>>people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>>way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>>blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>>affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>>being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>>physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>>this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>>being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>>physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>>occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>>Best,
>>Arielle
>>
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:04:33 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 13:04:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
Message-ID: <543ea934.cd056b0a.0773.ffff81aa@mx.google.com>

Hi All,

I have never experienced this sort of thing, and I observe that 
most of those who have responded that they have are female, so I 
wonder if this is something that sighted people do to blind women 
specifically not blind people in general.  I, like all of us, 
have experienced the grabby sighted person trying to help me get 
around, but I've never had people touch me apart from the typical 
hug hello and goodby with close friends and family and sometimes 
the arm tap.  The only other times people have touched me are 
when the occasional teacher or friend has tried to explain the 
shape of something by drawing on my hand or the like.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:29:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact

Hi Arielle and all,

I have definitely had similar experiences with strangers and
acquaintances, and I too find such uninvited physical contact to 
be
quite uncomfortable. I would usually try to shift my body or take 
a
few steps away from the person - This usually gets the message 
across,
though I often find it somewhat awkward especially if the person 
in
question is  a family friend or distant relative (as it was in 
your
case). While I obviously can't speak to the motivation behind 
this
type of behaviors, I would venture to guess that this has 
something to
do with sighted people's tendency to treat blind people like 
children.
Given that people generally find it acceptable to ruffle a little
kid's hair or give him/her a hug, It seems that some sighted 
people
feel it's OK to do the same with those who are blind. It is also
possible that some sighted people are unsure about how to 
communicate
with us - Given that we can't see their facial expressions, they 
might
assume that the only way to let us know they are happy to see 
us/like
something we did is to use physical contact. Just my thoughts!

Katie


On 10/15/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Good morning, Arielle,
 -American studies class at the local junior college, the 
instructor
 much to my appreciation would engage my body in much a same way 
as
 you described while talking to me, AI must say it made me feel 
like
 teach was particularly engaged with me as well as the subject 
matter
 at hand. So, I dug it, would look forward to our chats.
 I'm talking also, totally non-sexual and  non-erotic, just 
laying a
 hand on my shoulder, arm or hand. I really appreciated it!
 Have a good day, Arielle!
 for today, CCar

          As a matter of fact, one semester, I was taking an 
Afrikan
 At 09:51 PM 10/14/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
Hi all,
So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm 
curious
what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner 
and a
short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a 
woman
approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's 
new
husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my 
speeches
were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of 
my
back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person 
except
with very close family and friends. This is also not the 
firsttime
people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in 
this
way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of 
my
blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so 
physically
affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, 
and
being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other 
people
physically interact during conversation? If you guys have 
experienced
this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking 
about
being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people 
making
physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just 
the
occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
Best,
Arielle

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:04:56 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 10:04:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work... advice?
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Yes this is a very old thread. The thread itself was not problematic.
However, sexual content is not appropriate to discuss on list. I know
Carly was responding to David's earlier comment, but such replies
should be made off-list. Also, a reminder to all that if you share
your phone number on the list, it can be seen by anyone who searches
your name on Google. If you are concerned about your security, or want
to ensure you don't receive sales calls, it would be wise to only give
out your email address and not your phone number here.
Best,
Arielle Silverman, list moderator

On 10/15/14, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all:
>  It seems as if this thread has long ago run it’s course.
>  Would it be possible to contact the person you would really like to talk
> with off-list? I’m thinking we ought to put this one to rest for good.
>   Thanks,
>   Darian
> On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:19 AM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Definitely wanting attention from someone no matter what it takes is my
>> diagnosis. What to do? ignore ignore ignore
>>
>> El 15/10/2014 06:53 a.m., Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l escribió:
>>> Good morning, "Davie,
>>>
>>>        Just wanted, I think again, to tell you if yiou wanna talk about
>>> some of your sexual/romantic inconsistancies, as well as any experience
>>> or lack there of I, too, have some unevenness in that area and if you
>>> feel it, would like to air it, I'm here?
>>> If you want, you can write me or you can call 408-209-3239
>>> for today, CarAt 05:35 PM 12/27/2013, you wrote:
>>>> Hi Beth.  One of the things that happened with me is during high school
>>>> and
>>>> stuff I never dated.  I never went to the prom or anything so I kind of
>>>> knew
>>>> how to deal with firls but not totally.  I've got sort of some weird
>>>> stuff
>>>> going on when it comes to sexual stuff  and all.  If you want you can
>>>> email
>>>> me off list because I don't want to post it  and I don't want the whole
>>>> list
>>>> to know.  Feel free to mail me or skype me if you want to talk more.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Beth
>>>> Taurasi
>>>> Sent: Friday, December 27, 2013 4:30 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] When NFB philosophy doesn't seem to work...
>>>> advice?
>>>>
>>>> Blocking is the only way to get a harasser off the phone, but there's
>>>> something that blind people most often do not learn.  We are not often
>>>> taught the proper way to deal with sexual advances nor are girls, in
>>>> this
>>>> case your case, taught to call boys.  My mother had an archaic view of
>>>> girls, the sweet, quiet, shy kind.  Well, I've got bad news for all of
>>>> us:
>>>> Blake calls me online every day, but I call Blake on some occasions.
>>>> We
>>>> have a balance of who calls whom, and Blake is aware of my problems.
>>>> Perhaps the parents of the girl did not learn what the girl might have.
>>>> She
>>>> could be mentally unstable, mentally unable to deal with the advancement
>>>> of
>>>> others. She could also be creeping your friend out because she didn't
>>>> learn
>>>> the proper way to deal with boys.
>>>> As for you, she's probably using you, Kaiti, to get to the boy.  Please
>>>> email me off list.  I have some tales to tell you about myself and what
>>>> happened.  Do you have Skype?  I can give you that.
>>>> Sincerely,
>>>> Beth Taurasi
>>>> NFB of Denver/Mile High Chapter,
>>>> Denver, Colorado
>>>> Skype ID: denverqueen0920
>>>>
>>>> On 12/27/2013 3:29 PM, Kaiti Shelton wrote:
>>>> > Hi all,
>>>> >
>>>> > I have quite the puzzling situation on my hands, and I am not quite >
>>>> sure how to handle it.  Thoughts?
>>>> >
>>>> > Almost four years ago my mom and I went to this 3 day seminar for >
>>>> students in the state voc rehab program with visual impairments.
>>>> > This Friday evening to Sunday morning seminar was designed to show >
>>>> students and parents from around the state different employment >
>>>> options
>>>> that were available, ranging from vending and call center > jobs to
>>>> taking
>>>> the college route to get a degree in a two or four > year program.  A
>>>> friend of mine and I, who lived close to each other,
>>>> > were hanging out early on.   All of a sudden, this other girl was
>>>> > hanging all over him and would not give him his personal space.  It >
>>>> was very odd, considering that this was a very short period of time >
>>>> in
>>>> which this all happened.  Less than 24 hours after the students > had
>>>> met,
>>>> my friend was so creeped out by the almost constant and > unwanted
>>>> attention that he began to avoid this girl.  Other students, > seeing
>>>> how
>>>> creeped out he was and some creeped out themselves due to > the same
>>>> thing,
>>>> ended up following suit.
>>>> >
>>>> > I was sixteen at the time, and could feel for my friend.  The girl >
>>>> > was
>>>> very much in my face a lot of the time too, but I was a bit more >
>>>> patient
>>>> with her throughout the weekend.  She seemed to be worse > with the
>>>> guys
>>>> than the girls too, so I had a little more space than > my friend.
>>>> >
>>>> > About 3 months after the program in the summertime, she started >
>>>> calling my house.  The parents at the program were given a list of >
>>>> the
>>>> other parents who attended, along with their phone numbers, so > they
>>>> could
>>>> swap resources if they so chose.  This girl got the list > from her
>>>> parents, and was using it to call me and my friend, possibly > other
>>>> students as well although I am not sure.  The calls started off > being
>>>> about once every so often, then increased.  She was a very odd > girl,
>>>> and
>>>> liked to complain and cry about her problems to me and my > friend.
>>>> There
>>>> was nothing social about the calls, just complaining > and negativity,
>>>> and
>>>> mumbling which was really weird.  He quit talking > to her much sooner
>>>> than
>>>> I did because I tried to get her to see that > being visually impaired,
>>>> (she didn't like the word blind since she > was a large print reader,
>>>> and
>>>> kind of used that to elivate herself > above other people), was not the
>>>> worst thing in the world. She would > cry and complain, and even tell me
>>>> I
>>>> didn't understand how bad > things were, when her descriptions of
>>>> things
>>>> made it sound like she > was very overdramatic.  I decided at the end of
>>>> my
>>>> junior year, a > year after the calls started coming, that I didn't want
>>>> to
>>>> talk to a > downer, and that I wasn't going to be able to convince her
>>>> that
>>>> > blindness didn't mean the end of the world.
>>>> >
>>>> > The girl continued to call.  My senior year was very busy with >
>>>> activities and preparing for college.  I would come home from >
>>>> marching
>>>> band practices to find my siblings quite frustrated because > the girl
>>>> had
>>>> kept calling, sometimes as much as 5 or 6 times in a > span of a few
>>>> hours.
>>>> They didn't want to answer the phone because > whenever someone told her
>>>> I
>>>> wasn't home she would instantly get teary > and mumble things to
>>>> herself,
>>>> and it was very weird, but they didn't > want her to continue calling
>>>> either.  I remember one night over > Christmas break of that year, she
>>>> called and when I told her I was > getting ready to leave the house,
>>>> which
>>>> I was to go pick up someone > coming in from out of town for the
>>>> holidays
>>>> with my family, she got > angry and wanted me to give her my cell phone
>>>> number.  I told her > that I didn't want to give it out, and she started
>>>> to
>>>> get upset.
>>>> > Then I really had to go, and there was the characteristic mumbling.
>>>> >
>>>> > My parents have told me that for the past year and a half that I've >
>>>> been in college that the girl has continued to call.  My mom has > told
>>>> her
>>>> that I live at school and do not come home much multiple > times. My
>>>> younger siblings, in frustration, have told her that I've > moved away
>>>> and
>>>> have begun making up different things to tell her to > try to
>>>> discourage
>>>> her from calling.  She continues to call, and > around Christmas it is
>>>> always terrible.  A few nights ago she called > when my parents were
>>>> asleep
>>>> a little after  11:00 at night, and has > apparently called and left
>>>> messages late at night before.  My parents > have to get up very early
>>>> for
>>>> work, so In order to stop the ringing > and to prevent a message from
>>>> playing over the machine I had to > answer.  Everything was exactly the
>>>> same.  I was heading to bed > myself, so I told her that I was asleep
>>>> when
>>>> she asked for me.  The > fact that she had called at such a late hour
>>>> didn't seem to phase > her, there was just the mumbling and usual stuff
>>>> coming over the > line.
>>>> >
>>>> > I don't quite know what to do.  I've tried to be positive with her >
>>>> > and
>>>> that hasn't worked.  My family has told her that I no longer live > at
>>>> home
>>>> and am away at school among other things in frustration, but > nothing
>>>> seems to phase her.  I know she still calls my friend's > house as
>>>> well,
>>>> even though he does not live at home any more either.
>>>> > I don't quite know what to do about this.  I barely know her and she
>>>> > >
>>>> barely knows me, and in spite of this I have tried to help her with >
>>>> no
>>>> success.  My parents and siblings have said that we should just > block
>>>> her
>>>> calls, but I have hesitated in doing this while I was in > high school
>>>> because I didn't want to be mean, and then I honestly > forgot about
>>>> her
>>>> for the most part while I was at school last year > and last semester
>>>> because I can't get calls from her there. After > the call a few nights
>>>> ago, I don't really know what to think.  I am > slightly creeped out
>>>> that
>>>> even after my parents have told her I am > not home for the past year
>>>> and a
>>>> half that the calls are still > coming.  What do you think I should do?
>>>> >
>>>> > -- Kaiti
>>>> >
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>> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 17:13:18 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 12:13:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking matters into one's hands?
Message-ID: <543EAB2E.4070406@gmail.com>

  HI guys: To take off the monotny of the list, and enrich, I've got a 
topic for discussion of How have you guys felt when a parent doesn't 
understand not a need, but maybe desire would be a better word? I had 
such an experience a few months ago, when my Mom didn't understand but 
my Dad did, thus I took matters into my own hands. How do I feel? part 
guilty because I think my Mom has a right to know, and i know how 
crucial communication is in families, and partly like wow I did 
something for myself! thus value it even more! and appreciate every day 
that if I wouldn't have acted, I would have kept on waiting, waiting 
waiting! Yes I know some of you guys are underaged, thus maybe things 
might be different, but OK within the limits of what can and what can't 
be had, for you guys who took matters into your hands, how does it feel? 
What did you learn about yourselves after this experience?

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From turtlepower17 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 18:38:20 2014
From: turtlepower17 at gmail.com (Desiree Oudinot)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:38:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAC7+D=wuaN6VmCfkrSS=StTetQBuvX0-v7q=HVcM-g5SMiK8gg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
conversation.
I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
haven't seen in a long time.
When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
that I'm fine standing.

On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
> Best,
> Arielle
>
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-- 
Desiree


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 19:29:39 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:29:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking matters into one's hands?
Message-ID: <543ecb47.235f8c0a.85a7.684d@mx.google.com>

I agree that communication in families is crucial.  Whenever my 
grandparents on my dad's side come to visit they feel 
uncomfortable around me.  I feel guilty about this because they 
don't know any better.  Often times I've had to take matters into 
my own hands.  There are certain things that I've asked my mom 
for such as things that relate to my personal hygene.


From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Oct 15 20:20:43 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:20:43 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opening - LightHouse for the Blind San Francisco
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50C125@email.rrlh-sf.local>

Press, Social Media and Events Coordinator

JOB DESCRIPTION:

POSITION: Press, Social Media and Events Coordinator
REPORTS TO: Director of Development
STATUS: Non-exempt
WC CLASS:  Clerical

JOB PURPOSE:

Founded in San Francisco in 1902, the LightHouse's purpose is to promote the independence, equality and self-reliance of people who are blind or visually impaired. The LightHouse is currently in a period of growth, increasing our capacity to serve more low-vision and blind clients. We seek a dynamic professional to help us grow our individual and institutional support.

This is a full-time (100% FTE) position. Approximately one-third time (.033 FTE) will be spent doing outreach to secure new support and cultivate donors through social media and other electronic communications. Approximately one-third time (.033 FTE) will be dedicated to press to improve LightHouse media exposure and advocacy to further the rights of blind and low-vision people: Approximately one-third time (.033 FTE) will be coordinating events, both LightHouse fundraising and cultivation events and assisting LightHouse supporters in implementing events to benefit the LightHouse. This position also performs other development duties as requested.

QUALIFICATIONS:

Education:  Bachelor or graduate degree.

Experience:  Three years of experience in non-profit fundraising, event coordination, and/or public relations. Familiarity with blindness and/or broader disability issues is a plus.

Skills:  Superior written communication. Excellent organizational skills with capability to prioritize and meet multiple deadlines with minimal oversight.  Proficiency in Microsoft Office, FaceBook and Twitter. Experience with WordPress preferred.

Other:  Dedication to learning the latest trends and practices in the blindness field, including attention to the broad array of blindness groups, and the history of the blindness and disability movement.  Personal initiative, curiosity about people, a sense of humor and a strong team-oriented style. Enthusiasm for LightHouse services and the transformative effect we have on the lives of individuals who are blind or have low vision.

ACCOUNTABILITIES:

  *   Curate daily content on social media channels and LightHouse blog to keep them fresh, inviting, interactive and informative.
  *   Produce a media plan to increase LightHouse media exposure.
  *   Create compelling press releases and do targeted distributions.
  *   Plan and implement online appeals, listserv postings, crowd-funding campaigns and other online outreach and fundraising.
  *   Coordinate all details of special events, including design of electronic and print invitations; volunteer management; securing sponsorships and event logistics.
  *   Develop and manage revenue and expense budgets for events.
  *   Organize and oversee event timelines, vendors, and venues.
  *   Occasional weekend and evening assignments.

WORKING CONDITIONS:

Equal opportunity to all regardless of race, color, creed, national origin, ancestry, sex, marital status, disability, religious or political affiliation, age, or sexual orientation.

TO APPLY:

Please submit cover letter and / or résumé as Word attachments (no PDFs, please) to hr at lighthouse-sf.org<mailto:hr at lighthouse-sf.org>, including the job title in the subject line. We will not consider videos or hyperlinks to online profiles at this time; thank you.


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 21:48:22 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 17:48:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Change of Email Address
Message-ID: <011801cfe8c1$be764d70$3b62e850$@gmail.com>

Hello Everyone,

 

This is just to let everyone know that I have created a dedicated email
account for list messages only and will use it for all future contributions
to these lists. My current email address will remain intact for
personal/private messages. So, should you want to contact me off-list,
please do so at dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com. List contributions will come from
cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com.

 

Thanks,

 

Chris Nusbaum


From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 21:53:57 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 14:53:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
In-Reply-To: <CAC7+D=wuaN6VmCfkrSS=StTetQBuvX0-v7q=HVcM-g5SMiK8gg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7+D=wuaN6VmCfkrSS=StTetQBuvX0-v7q=HVcM-g5SMiK8gg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8E104DA4-1FBB-4A79-B5A7-0AF65C0DB1B2@gmail.com>

Oh, my, my Chinese professor is like that. If I'm not seated before she's in the room, she gets nearly panicky. Like I'm going to fall and die on the way to my seat or something. And you should see the poor woman when class is over and it's time to get up and go. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:38, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
> particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
> reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
> elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
> reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
> holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
> pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
> You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
> but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
> close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
> harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
> uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
> conversation.
> I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
> this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
> they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
> haven't seen in a long time.
> When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
> my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
> person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
> something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
> usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
> anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
> that I'm fine standing.
> 
>> On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Desiree
> 
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 22:20:43 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 15:20:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
Message-ID: <CACUFQdw5UrN9SGQZefNjb8Mf8u0AE9+=oO1n-mS5Co44YNAWyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A friend just asked me this, and I thought it would be a great discussion topic.

When you are feeling burned out with your studies, when the proverbial
light at the end of the tunnel seems to never be coming any closer,
what do you do to stay motivated?

Do you have a hobby that you resort to? Is there a particular class or
division of your field that you can go back to or read about that
revamps you?

Cindy

-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 23:22:05 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:22:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
Message-ID: <543f01c1.c267e00a.36b8.1885@mx.google.com>

Hi Cindy congrats on becoming a first-year PHD student.  To stay 
motivated I think positive thoughts and remember good times with 
family and friends.  I try to keep friendships that are 
encouraging to my soul.


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Oct 15 23:52:04 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:52:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for rehab plus questiom about rehab
Message-ID: <543f08ca.875f460a.4d43.ffffadc6@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
The time has almost come for me to sign up for rehab.  I have a couple of questions:
First, I am 17 and will be turning 18 next November 24, so a little more than a month 
from now.  Is it best to sign up for rehab now or wait until then? Also, how do I 
sign up?
Another question is that I have to try to get rehab for getting me into the LCB 
program.  Because I live in California, they may not give in easily.  I will have to 
write the rehab counselor a justification letter explaining why LCB and only LCB.  
I'm not sure whether I should give my letter to the rehab counsellor immediately 
after I sign up, or a couple of weeks after?
Thank you very much for any advice you can give.
Vejas


From sgermano at asu.edu  Wed Oct 15 23:57:54 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 16:57:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for rehab plus questiom about rehab
In-Reply-To: <543f08ca.875f460a.4d43.ffffadc6@mx.google.com>
References: <543f08ca.875f460a.4d43.ffffadc6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avcXA1_L+KRT7PwUKozKbWRMSg9G35R2KGTv1evn7dpTmw@mail.gmail.com>

Some states have a wait list for rehab so the sooner you sign up the
better. Call the local rehab office and they will tell you how to apply. I
don't remember how I did it in CA but here in AZ I have to first going
watch an orientation video then fill out application paperwork. If you call
them they can probably send you the application. Once you are approved put
in request right away. I had to appeal a request that they turned down
which is time consuming.

On Wed, Oct 15, 2014 at 4:52 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> The time has almost come for me to sign up for rehab.  I have a couple of
> questions:
> First, I am 17 and will be turning 18 next November 24, so a little more
> than a month from now.  Is it best to sign up for rehab now or wait until
> then? Also, how do I sign up?
> Another question is that I have to try to get rehab for getting me into
> the LCB program.  Because I live in California, they may not give in
> easily.  I will have to write the rehab counselor a justification letter
> explaining why LCB and only LCB.  I'm not sure whether I should give my
> letter to the rehab counsellor immediately after I sign up, or a couple of
> weeks after?
> Thank you very much for any advice you can give.
> Vejas
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 00:46:21 2014
From: filerime at gmail.com (Elif Emir)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:46:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
In-Reply-To: <8E104DA4-1FBB-4A79-B5A7-0AF65C0DB1B2@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7+D=wuaN6VmCfkrSS=StTetQBuvX0-v7q=HVcM-g5SMiK8gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E104DA4-1FBB-4A79-B5A7-0AF65C0DB1B2@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9cEH8AcNSbj+U=MHhOm9XGc0AY392LpHbsL1adNJcw1oA@mail.gmail.com>

this is just a type of microagression. I love this theory to explain
this kind of behaviors. I can't change others' behaviors, yet it helps
me understand both myself and their motivation.
I can understand why I get angry even though the person doing
something cute such as cuddeling or complimenting.
If you were sighted , she wouldn't touch you like that. She just has
in her mind that, you are not equal.
for more info about microagression
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory

2014-10-15 17:53 GMT-04:00, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Oh, my, my Chinese professor is like that. If I'm not seated before she's in
> the room, she gets nearly panicky. Like I'm going to fall and die on the way
> to my seat or something. And you should see the poor woman when class is
> over and it's time to get up and go.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:38, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
>> particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
>> reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
>> elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
>> reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
>> holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
>> pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
>> You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
>> but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
>> close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
>> harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
>> uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
>> conversation.
>> I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
>> this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
>> they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
>> haven't seen in a long time.
>> When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
>> my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
>> person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
>> something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
>> usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
>> anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
>> that I'm fine standing.
>>
>>> On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/turtlepower17%40gmail.com
>>
>>
>> --
>> Desiree
>>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 01:24:04 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:24:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
Message-ID: <543f1e48.4935e00a.66cc.1b76@mx.google.com>

Cindy, there is no black and white answer to this. I, for 
instance, am a very self-motivated person. I have a bit of a Type 
A personality so have a strong drive to get good grades and stay 
near the top of the class. Others might be different. For me, 
it's all about balance. No one can work all the time. If you're 
feeling burned out on school work, take a short break. Listen to 
uplifting music, watch funny YouTube videos, call a friend. I 
read or work on the stories I write for fun. Just relax for a 
little while. The key is to relax without procrastinating too 
much on your schoolwork. That requires time management, which is 
a whole different animal.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
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Date sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:22:05 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.

Hi Cindy congrats on becoming a first-year PHD student.  To stay
motivated I think positive thoughts and remember good times with
family and friends.  I try to keep friendships that are
encouraging to my soul.

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 01:30:30 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:30:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Hi all,

Just out of curiosity, I asked my sister if she's experienced this.
to put our similarities in context, she and I are only 18 months apart
in age.  We're both intelligent, and polite people, who have a pretty
dry sense of humor.  She's taller than me, and physically we look like
we might not even be related (I have brown hair and she's blonde, I'm
short and she's about 6 inches taller than me, and her complection is
farer than mine).  She said that she has experienced this kind of
thing a few times, but in every case it was with an elderly person and
she just assumed it was them wanting to keep her close to them for
some reason.  I too have had elderly people do things like hold my
hand for what seems like a really long period of time when I just
thought we were going to shake or something, and I've had the whole
back stroking thing like what Arielle discussed.  However, my sister
thought she'd had this happen to her 2 or 3 times, but I remember it
happening a lot.  It happened to me much more when I was younger and
my grandma's friends, or friends one of my Aunts that I'm really close
to whould introduce to me, but thankfully it hasn't happened so much
now.  Then again, I have spent the majority of my time for the past 2
years away at school, and only come home for the summer, breaks,
Holidays, etc.

It is possible that blind men have this happen less than women do, and
I do think it has to happen to blind for the reasons people have
already said more than it does to the sighted, but according to my
sister, and we have generally come into contact with the same older
people, it does happen to them too.  By the way though, when I talked
about this with her and she asked why I wanted to know her take on it,
she responded with, "That's creepy."  At least the sighted get the
heeby jeebies about it, too.

I've done as others have; just tried to scoot away a few inches in a
nonchalant way, so I don't offend the person.  If I'm really
uncomfortable, I might step away to get a drink or something, and come
back and stand across from the person to show them that I would want
to be conversational and face them more than stand next to them in the
same personal bubble.  I think you do have to be careful though,
because I did have a family member who I don't know very well get
offended when I moved away a bit.  I stayed pleasant in conversation,
but she took my stepping away from her as pushing her away.
Thankfully, my parents backed me up on it, but it was awkward and at
14 or 15, I wasn't the best at handling those kinds of situations.

On 10/15/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> this is just a type of microagression. I love this theory to explain
> this kind of behaviors. I can't change others' behaviors, yet it helps
> me understand both myself and their motivation.
> I can understand why I get angry even though the person doing
> something cute such as cuddeling or complimenting.
> If you were sighted , she wouldn't touch you like that. She just has
> in her mind that, you are not equal.
> for more info about microagression
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
>
> 2014-10-15 17:53 GMT-04:00, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Oh, my, my Chinese professor is like that. If I'm not seated before she's
>> in
>> the room, she gets nearly panicky. Like I'm going to fall and die on the
>> way
>> to my seat or something. And you should see the poor woman when class is
>> over and it's time to get up and go.
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:38, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
>>> particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
>>> reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
>>> elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
>>> reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
>>> holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
>>> pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
>>> You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
>>> but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
>>> close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
>>> harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
>>> uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
>>> conversation.
>>> I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
>>> this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
>>> they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
>>> haven't seen in a long time.
>>> When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
>>> my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
>>> person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
>>> something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
>>> usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
>>> anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
>>> that I'm fine standing.
>>>
>>>> On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>>>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>>>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>>>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>>>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>>>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>>>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>>>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>>>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>>>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>>>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>>>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>>>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>>>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>>>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>>>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>>>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>>>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>>>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>>>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
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>>>
>>> --
>>> Desiree
>>>
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 01:42:23 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 21:42:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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I think this is just something that occurs with older people in general. It may happen more to blind people than others. If so, I wonder if it isn’t out of a need for some kind of contact. Eye contact is pretty important in most conversations among two sighted people. In the absence of that contact, people may consciously or unconsciously replace it with physical contact, a touch of the hand on your shoulder, back, etc to form that connection. I don’t think it is always paternalistic, treating you like a child, etc. 
On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Just out of curiosity, I asked my sister if she's experienced this.
> to put our similarities in context, she and I are only 18 months apart
> in age.  We're both intelligent, and polite people, who have a pretty
> dry sense of humor.  She's taller than me, and physically we look like
> we might not even be related (I have brown hair and she's blonde, I'm
> short and she's about 6 inches taller than me, and her complection is
> farer than mine).  She said that she has experienced this kind of
> thing a few times, but in every case it was with an elderly person and
> she just assumed it was them wanting to keep her close to them for
> some reason.  I too have had elderly people do things like hold my
> hand for what seems like a really long period of time when I just
> thought we were going to shake or something, and I've had the whole
> back stroking thing like what Arielle discussed.  However, my sister
> thought she'd had this happen to her 2 or 3 times, but I remember it
> happening a lot.  It happened to me much more when I was younger and
> my grandma's friends, or friends one of my Aunts that I'm really close
> to whould introduce to me, but thankfully it hasn't happened so much
> now.  Then again, I have spent the majority of my time for the past 2
> years away at school, and only come home for the summer, breaks,
> Holidays, etc.
> 
> It is possible that blind men have this happen less than women do, and
> I do think it has to happen to blind for the reasons people have
> already said more than it does to the sighted, but according to my
> sister, and we have generally come into contact with the same older
> people, it does happen to them too.  By the way though, when I talked
> about this with her and she asked why I wanted to know her take on it,
> she responded with, "That's creepy."  At least the sighted get the
> heeby jeebies about it, too.
> 
> I've done as others have; just tried to scoot away a few inches in a
> nonchalant way, so I don't offend the person.  If I'm really
> uncomfortable, I might step away to get a drink or something, and come
> back and stand across from the person to show them that I would want
> to be conversational and face them more than stand next to them in the
> same personal bubble.  I think you do have to be careful though,
> because I did have a family member who I don't know very well get
> offended when I moved away a bit.  I stayed pleasant in conversation,
> but she took my stepping away from her as pushing her away.
> Thankfully, my parents backed me up on it, but it was awkward and at
> 14 or 15, I wasn't the best at handling those kinds of situations.
> 
> On 10/15/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> this is just a type of microagression. I love this theory to explain
>> this kind of behaviors. I can't change others' behaviors, yet it helps
>> me understand both myself and their motivation.
>> I can understand why I get angry even though the person doing
>> something cute such as cuddeling or complimenting.
>> If you were sighted , she wouldn't touch you like that. She just has
>> in her mind that, you are not equal.
>> for more info about microagression
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
>> 
>> 2014-10-15 17:53 GMT-04:00, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> Oh, my, my Chinese professor is like that. If I'm not seated before she's
>>> in
>>> the room, she gets nearly panicky. Like I'm going to fall and die on the
>>> way
>>> to my seat or something. And you should see the poor woman when class is
>>> over and it's time to get up and go.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:38, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
>>>> particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
>>>> reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
>>>> elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
>>>> reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
>>>> holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
>>>> pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
>>>> You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
>>>> but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
>>>> close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
>>>> harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
>>>> uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
>>>> conversation.
>>>> I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
>>>> this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
>>>> they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
>>>> haven't seen in a long time.
>>>> When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
>>>> my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
>>>> person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
>>>> something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
>>>> usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
>>>> anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
>>>> that I'm fine standing.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>>>>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>>>>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>>>>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>>>>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>>>>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>>>>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>>>>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>>>>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>>>>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>>>>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>>>>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>>>>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>>>>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>>>>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>>>>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>>>>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>>>>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>>>>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>>>>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Desiree
>>>> 
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> 
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> Kaiti
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Thu Oct 16 01:51:26 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:51:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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I think being a woman has a lot to do with it. I have noticed people are more physically affectionate with women much sooner and a social relationship than they are with men.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 02:03:26 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:03:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
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Hi Sophie,
Could I just ask you, when you spend time reading or writing, do you
use a timer? I'm just wondering because people who are avid readers
(me included) are prone to reading longer than they should (for
example, I might say I'll read for 10 minutes, but then the next part
is so good''' know what I mean?)
I also try to keep a good balance. I recently started a new system
where I create an "accomplishments list". This basically means that
every day I will write what I want/need to get done, then cross it off
when it's finished, so that I will feel accomplished for that day and,
if something didn't get done that can wait, I know I can do it
tomorrow. I might also add things to the list which are unlikely to
happen (example, clear inbox, LOL.) This is a new idea of mine and I
hope it will get rid of some stress.
Vejas

On 10/15/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Cindy, there is no black and white answer to this. I, for
> instance, am a very self-motivated person. I have a bit of a Type
> A personality so have a strong drive to get good grades and stay
> near the top of the class. Others might be different. For me,
> it's all about balance. No one can work all the time. If you're
> feeling burned out on school work, take a short break. Listen to
> uplifting music, watch funny YouTube videos, call a friend. I
> read or work on the stories I write for fun. Just relax for a
> little while. The key is to relax without procrastinating too
> much on your schoolwork. That requires time management, which is
> a whole different animal.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>,National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:22:05 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
>
> Hi Cindy congrats on becoming a first-year PHD student.  To stay
> motivated I think positive thoughts and remember good times with
> family and friends.  I try to keep friendships that are
> encouraging to my soul.
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 02:11:24 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:11:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Taking matters into one's hands?
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It is not your fault that they haven't taken the chance to learn more about
you.  That is more your house than their's.  Do your thing.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 3:30 PM
To: Gerardo Corripio; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Taking matters into one's hands?

I agree that communication in families is crucial.  Whenever my grandparents
on my dad's side come to visit they feel uncomfortable around me.  I feel
guilty about this because they don't know any better.  Often times I've had
to take matters into my own hands.  There are certain things that I've asked
my mom for such as things that relate to my personal hygene.

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 03:24:30 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 20:24:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
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Since high school, I have been in the habit of giving myself a
mandatory day off each week. For me this is an extension of the Jewish
Shabbat tradition, so I like to take my time off on Friday evening and
Saturday morning and afternoon. However, you can choose to take your
day off on Sunday, or whenever is most practical for you. During my
day off each week I am not allowed to do schoolwork. I will still work
on NFB stuff, housework, spend time with friends, relax on the
computer, watch TV and allow myself to get as much sleep as I like. I
find that at the end of the 24 hours off my mind is clearer and I am
more motivated. Since ninth grade, I've gone through high school,
college with two majors, and a doctoral program and I think I've only
broken my day-off rule twice. If you plan ahead you can ensure that
you get a solid 24 hours off from work each week
Arielle

On 10/15/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Sophie,
> Could I just ask you, when you spend time reading or writing, do you
> use a timer? I'm just wondering because people who are avid readers
> (me included) are prone to reading longer than they should (for
> example, I might say I'll read for 10 minutes, but then the next part
> is so good''' know what I mean?)
> I also try to keep a good balance. I recently started a new system
> where I create an "accomplishments list". This basically means that
> every day I will write what I want/need to get done, then cross it off
> when it's finished, so that I will feel accomplished for that day and,
> if something didn't get done that can wait, I know I can do it
> tomorrow. I might also add things to the list which are unlikely to
> happen (example, clear inbox, LOL.) This is a new idea of mine and I
> hope it will get rid of some stress.
> Vejas
>
> On 10/15/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Cindy, there is no black and white answer to this. I, for
>> instance, am a very self-motivated person. I have a bit of a Type
>> A personality so have a strong drive to get good grades and stay
>> near the top of the class. Others might be different. For me,
>> it's all about balance. No one can work all the time. If you're
>> feeling burned out on school work, take a short break. Listen to
>> uplifting music, watch funny YouTube videos, call a friend. I
>> read or work on the stories I write for fun. Just relax for a
>> little while. The key is to relax without procrastinating too
>> much on your schoolwork. That requires time management, which is
>> a whole different animal.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Cindy Bennett <clb5590 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>> Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 19:22:05 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
>>
>> Hi Cindy congrats on becoming a first-year PHD student.  To stay
>> motivated I think positive thoughts and remember good times with
>> family and friends.  I try to keep friendships that are
>> encouraging to my soul.
>>
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 04:59:16 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:59:16 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Hi Arielle,
I have definitely experienced these type of behaviors from sighted
folks  numerous of times.  I believe that the tapping on the shoulder,
hand, or hugging actions are intended towards us because we can not
see their facial expressions.  They feel like it is a way to
communicate with us in a nonverbal fashion.  Since we are not able to
see their smile or make direct eye contact, they feel like touch is
another way to communicate with us.  In this type of situation, I
usually slowly start to move a small distance from them and try to
look at them.  This sometime gives them a hint that you don't want to
be touched in that way.  I agree that It can still be really awkward
though.  Maybe next time you see that person, mention to her in a nice
way that it is nothing against her, but you don't like to be touched.
Or mention it to her once you have gotten to know her better.  There
isn't really a way to not be a little awkward about it.
Also, sometimes older people put their arm around others because they
are just compassionate people.  A lot of international people do the
same thing.  Some people just express themselves through touch.  Just
try to go with your gut feeling to figure out what the person is
intending.
Hope this helps some.
Peace,
Liliya

On 10/15/14, Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think being a woman has a lot to do with it. I have noticed people are
> more physically affectionate with women much sooner and a social
> relationship than they are with men.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Oct 16 05:22:08 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2014 22:22:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How to stay motivated.
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Hi, Cindy, and everyone,

         To try to keep from experiencing such discoloration, I try 
to switch between tasks I.E. whatever I'm working on I.E. reading a 
textbook or article, say, and E-mail. My brain tends to get kind of 
sticky. Also, a hot beverage such as coffee, or tea, is never far 
away as I'm working.
for today, CarAt 03:20 PM 10/15/2014, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi,
>
>A friend just asked me this, and I thought it would be a great 
>discussion topic.
>
>When you are feeling burned out with your studies, when the proverbial
>light at the end of the tunnel seems to never be coming any closer,
>what do you do to stay motivated?
>
>Do you have a hobby that you resort to? Is there a particular class or
>division of your field that you can go back to or read about that
>revamps you?
>
>Cindy
>
>--
>Cindy Bennett
>1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
>clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Oct 16 06:25:41 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 02:25:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Hangout
Message-ID: <8D1B72124CA64F3-12CC-21C4C@webmail-va208.sysops.aol.com>

Hallo NABS,
Anybody familiar with Google Hangout?
How is its accessibility?
Would appreciate any feedback.
Miso




From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 16 08:41:50 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 03:41:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Sendero October Highlights
Message-ID: <auto-000002913661@mailfront2.g2host.com>


>
>Greetings from Sendero,
>
>We have three highlights to share with you this month.
>
>1.       Announcing the release of Veteran 
>Affairs Seeing Eye GPS for iPhone, same as The 
>Seeing Eye GPS and Navigator apps but VA Seeing 
>Eye GPS is a non-subscription version. Now 
>available in the iTunes app Store for $299, go 
>to 
><http://bit.ly/1ra0v4F>http://bit.ly/1ra0v4F. 
>This non-subscription version was requested by 
>the agencies and individuals opposed to subscription products.
>
>2.       Rest assured, we still offer the 
>subscription versions, The Seeing Eye GPS and 
>RNIB Navigator. There is also the free Sendero GPS LookAround app.
>
>3.      To augment your mobile GPS apps, 
>consider the more powerful accessible GPS platforms:
>
>·         The BrailleNote GPS at 
><http://senderogroup.com/products/shopgps.htm>http://senderogroup.com/products/shopgps.htm
>
>·         The Sense Navigation for the Braille 
>Sense U2 Mini and more at 
><http://senderogroup.com/products/shopvsnav.htm>http://senderogroup.com/products/shopvsnav.htm 
>
>
>·         The navigation tool everyone should 
>have at the unbelievable price of $49. Check out 
>Sendero Maps for the PC at 
><http://senderogroup.com/products/shopmaps.htm>http://senderogroup.com/products/shopmaps.htm 
>
>
>For more information, go to 
><http://www.senderogroup.com>http://www.senderogroup.com.

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From starmy22 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 13:21:40 2014
From: starmy22 at gmail.com (starmy22 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:21:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Hangout
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Hi,
google hangout is not accessible at all last time I checked.
It might have changed in the latest version.
I hope to hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
John Sanders


-----Original Message----- 
From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 2:25 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Hangout

Hallo NABS,
Anybody familiar with Google Hangout?
How is its accessibility?
Would appreciate any feedback.
Miso



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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 13:26:57 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 09:26:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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Keep in mind, that humans are naturally a little more tactual and contact
oriented than most people want to admit.  I've experienced this as well, but
not usually to the degree that a woman would.  I usually just remove the
offender's hand with some subtle martial art technique which has the
advantage of being both firm and not harmful; not trying to scare, offend,
or hurt anyone.  A subtle movement of the body or wrist will break their
grip punctuated with an I'm good or some such like that. I'm okay with
appropriate touch, but not touch which invades, impedes, or in some way is
offensive.  My suggestion is to learn to be okay with normal and appropriate
touch; that is different for everyone.  If you don't like to be touched at
all, you will offend some well-meaning people; don't do this.  For the
ladies, especially for those who are small or petite, you can also get
treated like a child because you are small.  I heard of women who were very
small being picked up and moved out of the way, and these women were
sighted.  A self-defense art in this case is invaluable for sliding away
from someone more easily and for holding your ground.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liliya
Asadullina via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:59 AM
To: Jedi Moerke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact

Hi Arielle,
I have definitely experienced these type of behaviors from sighted folks
numerous of times.  I believe that the tapping on the shoulder, hand, or
hugging actions are intended towards us because we can not see their facial
expressions.  They feel like it is a way to communicate with us in a
nonverbal fashion.  Since we are not able to see their smile or make direct
eye contact, they feel like touch is another way to communicate with us.  In
this type of situation, I usually slowly start to move a small distance from
them and try to look at them.  This sometime gives them a hint that you
don't want to be touched in that way.  I agree that It can still be really
awkward though.  Maybe next time you see that person, mention to her in a
nice way that it is nothing against her, but you don't like to be touched.
Or mention it to her once you have gotten to know her better.  There isn't
really a way to not be a little awkward about it.
Also, sometimes older people put their arm around others because they are
just compassionate people.  A lot of international people do the same thing.
Some people just express themselves through touch.  Just try to go with your
gut feeling to figure out what the person is intending.
Hope this helps some.
Peace,
Liliya

On 10/15/14, Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I think being a woman has a lot to do with it. I have noticed people 
> are more physically affectionate with women much sooner and a social 
> relationship than they are with men.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious 
>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got 
>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a 
>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman 
>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new 
>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches 
>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my 
>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable 
>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person 
>> except with very close family and friends. This is also not the 
>> firsttime people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with 
>> me in this way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow 
>> because of my blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so 
>> physically affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people 
>> interact, and being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how 
>> other people physically interact during conversation? If you guys 
>> have experienced this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm 
>> not talking about being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking 
>> about people making physical (nonsexual) contact during a 
>> conversation. And not just the occasional shoulder tap, but something
more hug-like.
>> Best,
>> Arielle
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 16 15:30:58 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 11:30:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for rehab plus questiom about rehab
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Vejas,
I'd say sign up as soon as possible. AnotherAnothe r professional such as 
your TVI should be able to refer you to the services. if you really have no 
one to get you in touch and need the info, just google the department for 
the blind in your state. After calling the main number, they will direct you 
to a local office with counselors who staff your location. Then you get a 
counselor; afterward, you meet, fill out papers for a case, and establish 
goals.

No, no way do you give a letter at first. wait for your case to open and 
establish rapport.
Wait till you almost graduate would be my suggestion. You might mention that 
you need to attend a training center out of state in your initial meeting. 
but don't be too pushy. Just state your goals.

Others may disagree, but I'd have a parent sit in the meeting or at least 
read the paperwork to you afterward. I suggest this so they do not slip 
anything into your case file you don't agree with; the document Is your 
individual plan for employment, IPE.

You also need a copy of the documents you sign. Note that if you open the 
case before you are 18, I think your parent has to sign the papers with you.

So, do it asap. I opened my case as a teenager.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 7:52 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for rehab plus questiom about rehab

Hi all,
The time has almost come for me to sign up for rehab.  I have a couple of 
questions:
First, I am 17 and will be turning 18 next November 24, so a little more 
than a month
from now.  Is it best to sign up for rehab now or wait until then? Also, how 
do I
sign up?
Another question is that I have to try to get rehab for getting me into the 
LCB
program.  Because I live in California, they may not give in easily.  I will 
have to
write the rehab counselor a justification letter explaining why LCB and only 
LCB.
I'm not sure whether I should give my letter to the rehab counsellor 
immediately
after I sign up, or a couple of weeks after?
Thank you very much for any advice you can give.
Vejas

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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 15:51:09 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 08:51:09 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
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	<001901cfe944$dc2872c0$94795840$@gmail.com>
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This has happened to me. I was apparently in someone's way, and some guy I didn't know just picked me up and moved me over a few feet. It was very surprising. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 06:26, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Keep in mind, that humans are naturally a little more tactual and contact
> oriented than most people want to admit.  I've experienced this as well, but
> not usually to the degree that a woman would.  I usually just remove the
> offender's hand with some subtle martial art technique which has the
> advantage of being both firm and not harmful; not trying to scare, offend,
> or hurt anyone.  A subtle movement of the body or wrist will break their
> grip punctuated with an I'm good or some such like that. I'm okay with
> appropriate touch, but not touch which invades, impedes, or in some way is
> offensive.  My suggestion is to learn to be okay with normal and appropriate
> touch; that is different for everyone.  If you don't like to be touched at
> all, you will offend some well-meaning people; don't do this.  For the
> ladies, especially for those who are small or petite, you can also get
> treated like a child because you are small.  I heard of women who were very
> small being picked up and moved out of the way, and these women were
> sighted.  A self-defense art in this case is invaluable for sliding away
> from someone more easily and for holding your ground.  
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Liliya
> Asadullina via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 12:59 AM
> To: Jedi Moerke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
> 
> Hi Arielle,
> I have definitely experienced these type of behaviors from sighted folks
> numerous of times.  I believe that the tapping on the shoulder, hand, or
> hugging actions are intended towards us because we can not see their facial
> expressions.  They feel like it is a way to communicate with us in a
> nonverbal fashion.  Since we are not able to see their smile or make direct
> eye contact, they feel like touch is another way to communicate with us.  In
> this type of situation, I usually slowly start to move a small distance from
> them and try to look at them.  This sometime gives them a hint that you
> don't want to be touched in that way.  I agree that It can still be really
> awkward though.  Maybe next time you see that person, mention to her in a
> nice way that it is nothing against her, but you don't like to be touched.
> Or mention it to her once you have gotten to know her better.  There isn't
> really a way to not be a little awkward about it.
> Also, sometimes older people put their arm around others because they are
> just compassionate people.  A lot of international people do the same thing.
> Some people just express themselves through touch.  Just try to go with your
> gut feeling to figure out what the person is intending.
> Hope this helps some.
> Peace,
> Liliya
> 
>> On 10/15/14, Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I think being a woman has a lot to do with it. I have noticed people 
>> are more physically affectionate with women much sooner and a social 
>> relationship than they are with men.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Oct 14, 2014, at 11:51 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious 
>>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got 
>>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a 
>>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman 
>>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new 
>>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches 
>>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my 
>>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable 
>>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person 
>>> except with very close family and friends. This is also not the 
>>> firsttime people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with 
>>> me in this way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow 
>>> because of my blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so 
>>> physically affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people 
>>> interact, and being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how 
>>> other people physically interact during conversation? If you guys 
>>> have experienced this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm 
>>> not talking about being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking 
>>> about people making physical (nonsexual) contact during a 
>>> conversation. And not just the occasional shoulder tap, but something
> more hug-like.
>>> Best,
>>> Arielle
>>> 
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 17:10:59 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8XgXSp5o6u3XkCOucA3bMcbvHPax4GjUqJTokgF8RgjeA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello nabsters,

As part of my Degree, I have to take 3 Science courses. The courses I
would like to take are unavailable with my course schedule. I did
however find a Geology course that will fit my schedule.

My question is, has anyone taken a Geology course and if so how
accessible did you find it. How accommodating were your professors and
what strategies would you suggest when taking a course like this?

I appreciate all feedback.

Thanks and have a good day

Jonathan
-- 
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Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 17:28:36 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:28:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course
In-Reply-To: <CAHEy+8XgXSp5o6u3XkCOucA3bMcbvHPax4GjUqJTokgF8RgjeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEy+8XgXSp5o6u3XkCOucA3bMcbvHPax4GjUqJTokgF8RgjeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01cfe966$9e7e3140$db7a93c0$@gmail.com>

Rocks for jocks. Lol, that is what we called it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jonathan franks
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course

Hello nabsters,

As part of my Degree, I have to take 3 Science courses. The courses I would
like to take are unavailable with my course schedule. I did however find a
Geology course that will fit my schedule.

My question is, has anyone taken a Geology course and if so how accessible
did you find it. How accommodating were your professors and what strategies
would you suggest when taking a course like this?

I appreciate all feedback.

Thanks and have a good day

Jonathan
--
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 17:29:49 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 13:29:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course
In-Reply-To: <CAHEy+8XgXSp5o6u3XkCOucA3bMcbvHPax4GjUqJTokgF8RgjeA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEy+8XgXSp5o6u3XkCOucA3bMcbvHPax4GjUqJTokgF8RgjeA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01cfe966$c9aba8c0$5d02fa40$@gmail.com>

I was able to hold some of the rocks and we took several field trips, but
really just take good notes and pass the exam, that is all I had to do.  I
took two courses of geology.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of jonathan franks
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 16, 2014 1:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course

Hello nabsters,

As part of my Degree, I have to take 3 Science courses. The courses I would
like to take are unavailable with my course schedule. I did however find a
Geology course that will fit my schedule.

My question is, has anyone taken a Geology course and if so how accessible
did you find it. How accommodating were your professors and what strategies
would you suggest when taking a course like this?

I appreciate all feedback.

Thanks and have a good day

Jonathan
--
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 18:40:34 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 14:40:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
In-Reply-To: <543ea934.cd056b0a.0773.ffff81aa@mx.google.com>
References: <543ea934.cd056b0a.0773.ffff81aa@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <005901cfe970$abd53780$037fa680$@gmail.com>

Yeah, I usually cut that off before it starts whith simple but firm
movements, even when I am walking down the sidewalk, or down the hall, I
move and lean aside out of arms reach to give people room so they don't
think then can just put their hands on me.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 15, 2014 1:05 PM
To: Katie Wang; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact

Hi All,

I have never experienced this sort of thing, and I observe that most of
those who have responded that they have are female, so I wonder if this is
something that sighted people do to blind women specifically not blind
people in general.  I, like all of us, have experienced the grabby sighted
person trying to help me get around, but I've never had people touch me
apart from the typical hug hello and goodby with close friends and family
and sometimes the arm tap.  The only other times people have touched me are
when the occasional teacher or friend has tried to explain the shape of
something by drawing on my hand or the like.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Katie Wang via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net>, National Association of Blind
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 15 Oct 2014
12:29:33 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact

Hi Arielle and all,

I have definitely had similar experiences with strangers and acquaintances,
and I too find such uninvited physical contact to be quite uncomfortable. I
would usually try to shift my body or take a few steps away from the person
- This usually gets the message across, though I often find it somewhat
awkward especially if the person in question is  a family friend or distant
relative (as it was in your case). While I obviously can't speak to the
motivation behind this type of behaviors, I would venture to guess that this
has something to do with sighted people's tendency to treat blind people
like children.
Given that people generally find it acceptable to ruffle a little kid's hair
or give him/her a hug, It seems that some sighted people feel it's OK to do
the same with those who are blind. It is also possible that some sighted
people are unsure about how to communicate with us - Given that we can't see
their facial expressions, they might assume that the only way to let us know
they are happy to see us/like something we did is to use physical contact.
Just my thoughts!

Katie


On 10/15/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
 Good morning, Arielle,
 -American studies class at the local junior college, the instructor  much
to my appreciation would engage my body in much a same way as  you described
while talking to me, AI must say it made me feel like  teach was
particularly engaged with me as well as the subject matter  at hand. So, I
dug it, would look forward to our chats.
 I'm talking also, totally non-sexual and  non-erotic, just laying a  hand
on my shoulder, arm or hand. I really appreciated it!
 Have a good day, Arielle!
 for today, CCar

          As a matter of fact, one semester, I was taking an Afrikan  At
09:51 PM 10/14/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
Hi all,
So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious what
your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got married last
weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a short reading
during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman approached me and
introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new husband. She then went on
for a while about how beautiful my speeches were. The entire time she had
her arm kind of around the side of my back and was stroking my shoulder. It
made me a bit uncomfortable because we had just met and I am not a very
touchy-feely person except with very close family and friends. This is also
not the firsttime people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with
me in this way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of
my blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and being
blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people physically
interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced this sort of
thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about being grabbed by
over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making physical (nonsexual)
contact during a conversation. And not just the occasional shoulder tap, but
something more hug-like.
Best,
Arielle

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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 19:10:15 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 00:40:15 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Understanding things in a concrete way
Message-ID: <CADFycPYB1yARFrVOP=+3tcxRToYZLRCr7jqpp0NWXsoQXc9PNw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I hope this message finds you well. One problem that I often face
while trying to acquire a nuanced understanding of any concept,
especially unfamiliar concepts, is that my understanding of most
things is very abstract. Analogies and metaphors are very powerful
tools for learning something new. However, I often find it hard to
make sense of the analogy or metaphor because my understanding of the
thing with which the comparison is being made is often merely
theoretical, so it is often difficult for me to understand all the
intricacies of a situation, opinion or problem because of this
impediment. I guess if you see something, or even feel it, then that
experience leaves an indelible impression on your memory which can
then act as a powerful tool or lens through which you can view other
situations. However, most of the knowledge that I have acquired thus
far about how the world operates and about the nuances that shape and
influence decision making at all levels has been largely theoretical,
so this poses two main challenges:
First, it is often harder for me to recall things that I have read
about in the past since my knowledge about the things in question is
purely theoretical; I do not know how they operate in practice.
Second, even when I am able to recall what I need to recall, I
struggle to use it as a pillar upon which I can build the edifice of
the new concept that I am trying to grasp. Let me give this
proposition a concrete shape and form by giving you an example.
Recently, I was writing a research paper about an aspect of
competition law in which I had to explain how electricity power grids,
gas pipelines and telecommunication networks work and how the law
makes it mandatory for various competitors to share networks, nodes,
etc. However, I wasn't able to acquire a deeper understanding of this
issue because until I know how electricity power grids and gas
pipelines exactly work in practice, it is hard for me to talk about
the law that governs their operation.
I don't know if I have been able to articulate my problem correctly.
However, I do believe that this has a lot to do with my blindness and
my concomitant inability to visually understand how things around me
work in a concrete way. Would love to know what you all think about
this.

Best,
Rahul


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 20:15:25 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:15:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] signing up for rehab plus questiom about rehab
Message-ID: <54402784.8ca1e00a.2194.ffffec49@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas thanks for your message.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  
When I signed up for Rehab my counselor and I discussed the 
services that I would need.  My Dbs counselor bought me a 
BrailleNote Apex to use for college.  My parents got me an IPad 
Mini as a Christmas present.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 20:15:27 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 16:15:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course
Message-ID: <54402785.8ca1e00a.2194.ffffec4d@mx.google.com>

I have taken a course titled Introduction To Geology.  This was 
an online course that took a lot of time.  We had quizzes and the 
exams were taken on campus.


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 21:27:48 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:27:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course
Message-ID: <5440386b.039e6b0a.0b4a.ffffe843@mx.google.com>

Hi Jonathan,

I did take a course in environmental geology.  It involved both 
lecture and labs, and I had to have an assistant for some of the 
labs involving chemical testing of the checking what color things 
tern variety and also for the labs that involved looking at maps 
and aerial photographs.  My professor was great and did a lot of 
describing things.  One thing I would say is that it's important 
to get someone competent to prepare your text book and describe 
all the pictures, graphs, charts, and maps.  It's also very 
important to talk to your professor ahead of time and find out 
what sorts of assignments the labs will be.  Identifying rocks is 
totally doable with our four senses, and of course the theory 
part of the class shouldn't be harder for you than anyone else.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: jonathan franks via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 12:10:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Inquiring if anyone has taken a Geology course

Hello nabsters,

As part of my Degree, I have to take 3 Science courses. The 
courses I
would like to take are unavailable with my course schedule. I did
however find a Geology course that will fit my schedule.

My question is, has anyone taken a Geology course and if so how
accessible did you find it. How accommodating were your 
professors and
what strategies would you suggest when taking a course like this?

I appreciate all feedback.

Thanks and have a good day

Jonathan
--
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network

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From bana-announce at brailleauthority.org  Thu Oct 16 22:17:54 2014
From: bana-announce at brailleauthority.org (Mary Nelle McLennan via BANA-Announce)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 17:17:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] [BANA-Announce] BANA Offers New Publication: The UEB Reader
Message-ID: <auto-000003043112@mailfront1.g2host.com>


Press Release

October 15, 2014

For Immediate Release

CONTACT: Frances Mary D’Andrea, Chair

Braille Authority of North America

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BANA Offers New Publication­The UEB Reader

The Braille Authority of North America (BANA) is 
pleased to make available The UEB Reader, a 
resource designed to introduce braille readers to 
Unified English Braille (UEB). This introductory 
hardcopy braille booklet incorporates into one 
document several key resources found on the BANA 
website. The UEB Reader is available free of charge upon request.

The UEB Reader includes content from BANA’s 
publication, Overview of Changes from Current 
Literary Braille to UEB, plus several example 
documents transcribed in UEB for readers to use 
as practice. This resource was compiled to help 
current braille readers become more familiar with 
UEB and to assist braille readers, transcribers, 
teachers, and families as they make the transition to UEB.

To receive a free braille copy of The UEB Reader, 
contact Kim Charlson at 
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with your name and address for mailing purposes. 
Requests for the UEB Reader including your name, 
address, and phone number can also be left on the 
UEB Information Line at 617-972-7248.

NOTE: This press release is available in HTML on 
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For additional resource information, visit 
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The Board of BANA consists of appointed 
representatives from seventeen member 
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The mission of the Braille Authority of North 
America is to assure literacy for tactile readers 
through the standardization of braille and/or tactile graphics.



The purpose of BANA is to promote and to 
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Oct 16 23:02:57 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 18:02:57 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] TEACH ACT Reading
Message-ID: <auto-000003024678@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Here is some interesting reading in support of the TEACH ACT.

Dave


Should TEACH Act Language Appear in the Higher Education Act? NCDAE 
and WebAIM Weigh In.
By Cyndi Rowland.
"NCDAE and WebAIM joined together on this position statement..."
<http://ncdae.org/blog/teach-act/>http://ncdae.org/blog/teach-act/  

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 23:05:59 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:05:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
Message-ID: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>

Hey y'all,

Today I heated up my own lunch when I came home from school.  
Yesterday afternoon I washed my dishes after I ate my lunch.  
Each day I am making small strides toward improving my 
independent living skills.


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 23:10:09 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:10:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
References: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvdXG+37P=Bw3j-A=CJT3PqRn0ZgC4zDL-ZJT6_iHPoqg@mail.gmail.com>

Good job.
Like Chriss said a while back, after a few weeks those small steps
start adding up.
And the best thing is, the more you do the better you feel about
yourself, the better you feel the more you want to do and so on.
Keep it up!



On 10/16/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey y'all,
>
> Today I heated up my own lunch when I came home from school.
> Yesterday afternoon I washed my dishes after I ate my lunch.
> Each day I am making small strides toward improving my
> independent living skills.
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 23:21:38 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:21:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb Newsline App for IPad
Message-ID: <54405329.8215e00a.5f76.1d94@mx.google.com>

Hi can someone send me the link to download the Nfb newsline App 
onto my IPad? I've looked in the app store but can not find it 
there.


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 16 23:43:39 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 19:43:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] news line app for IOS
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:
So, I downloaded the IOS NFB-Newsline app, but it requires me to log
in and I don't remember my credentials anymore.
Where can I get that information from?

Thanks,

Jorge


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 00:05:03 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:05:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Hangout
In-Reply-To: <8D1B72124CA64F3-12CC-21C4C@webmail-va208.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1B72124CA64F3-12CC-21C4C@webmail-va208.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <6CE8A151-5999-4478-916C-E0A9C1183D7F@gmail.com>

It is not easy to use, but I have made it work using a mac with voiceover. I have not tried with a PC.
On Oct 16, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hallo NABS,
> Anybody familiar with Google Hangout?
> How is its accessibility?
> Would appreciate any feedback.
> Miso
> 
> 
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 00:50:25 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:50:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] news line app for IOS
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82539A29-7531-4B1F-B8A2-7B9A03D4A045@gmail.com>

You should be able to find a phone number on the website for newsline. I was able to call that number and receive my credentials by email.

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all:
> So, I downloaded the IOS NFB-Newsline app, but it requires me to log
> in and I don't remember my credentials anymore.
> Where can I get that information from?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jorge
> 
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 00:51:16 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:51:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Nfb Newsline App for IPad
In-Reply-To: <54405329.8215e00a.5f76.1d94@mx.google.com>
References: <54405329.8215e00a.5f76.1d94@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <31DF7DB2-AE7D-41CB-8EFC-EF3029DA76E9@gmail.com>

I don't believe that there is specifically one for iPad. When you search for it in the App Store on your iPad, double tap the button that says iPad only, and change the setting to iPhone apps.

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:21 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi can someone send me the link to download the Nfb newsline App onto my IPad? I've looked in the app store but can not find it there.
> 
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From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 01:22:18 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:22:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] news line app for IOS
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALh+v0bexiO3zaHGV8qC5XPecstetjpfwi_xpqN+30KghD8zDQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
If you call 1-866-504-7300, they will be able to give that information to you.



On 10/16/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all:
> So, I downloaded the IOS NFB-Newsline app, but it requires me to log
> in and I don't remember my credentials anymore.
> Where can I get that information from?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jorge
>
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 01:29:52 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 20:29:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] news line app for IOS
In-Reply-To: <CALh+v0bexiO3zaHGV8qC5XPecstetjpfwi_xpqN+30KghD8zDQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALh+v0bexiO3zaHGV8qC5XPecstetjpfwi_xpqN+30KghD8zDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <945E60FF-010B-46BF-A8B8-52FA1F25F59B@gmail.com>

Also the Newsline coordinator can give you that info

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 8:22 PM, Jeff Crouch k8tvv via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> If you call 1-866-504-7300, they will be able to give that information to you.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 10/16/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all:
>> So, I downloaded the IOS NFB-Newsline app, but it requires me to log
>> in and I don't remember my credentials anymore.
>> Where can I get that information from?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Jorge
>> 
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From anjelinac at att.net  Fri Oct 17 01:26:28 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:26:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
References: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C6B73707-75D8-49D4-AD11-9F6B12477C4C@att.net>

Awesome job! Keep on rock in'!!
Anjelina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey y'all,
> 
> Today I heated up my own lunch when I came home from school.  Yesterday afternoon I washed my dishes after I ate my lunch.  Each day I am making small strides toward improving my independent living skills.
> 
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From hope.paulos at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 02:03:50 2014
From: hope.paulos at gmail.com (Hope Paulos)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 22:03:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <C6B73707-75D8-49D4-AD11-9F6B12477C4C@att.net>
References: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
	<C6B73707-75D8-49D4-AD11-9F6B12477C4C@att.net>
Message-ID: <0B7D0C7E-F730-4F96-A132-486316D79F51@gmail.com>

This is awesome! Keep up the good work.

Hope Paulos

> On Oct 16, 2014, at 9:26 PM, Anjelina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Awesome job! Keep on rock in'!!
> Anjelina
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey y'all,
>> 
>> Today I heated up my own lunch when I came home from school.  Yesterday afternoon I washed my dishes after I ate my lunch.  Each day I am making small strides toward improving my independent living skills.
>> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 04:18:05 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 16 Oct 2014 21:18:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] An update on my independence
In-Reply-To: <C6B73707-75D8-49D4-AD11-9F6B12477C4C@att.net>
References: <54404f7e.25608c0a.190b.ffff924c@mx.google.com>
	<C6B73707-75D8-49D4-AD11-9F6B12477C4C@att.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.167.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Anjelina,

         Doesn't the sensation of personal power feel so huge, like 
some narcotic? Keep on, while still leaving room for the touch of 
interdependence which is often not touted in the same way that is 
sheer independence. Takes a special kind of seeing to acknowledge a 
presence that doesn't scream black, or scream white-if white  did scream!
for today, Car

/2014, you wrote:
>Awesome job! Keep on rock in'!!
>Anjelina
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 16, 2014, at 7:05 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hey y'all,
> >
> > Today I heated up my own lunch when I came home from 
> school.  Yesterday afternoon I washed my dishes after I ate my 
> lunch.  Each day I am making small strides toward improving my 
> independent living skills.
> >
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> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kerrik2006 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 17 08:50:55 2014
From: kerrik2006 at gmail.com (Kerri Kosten)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 04:50:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Sportswriting/journalism and not giving up
	on career goal/dreams
Message-ID: <CAM6GWxxQVnLg-7Pvg37KbYUOsnUZZYXFxXEHcXTQRRZ17OpSLw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Everyone:

For those of you who are either journalists or are wanting to pursue a
career that is visual/not blindness related how do you stay motivated
and keep from giving up when things get hard or don't go your way?
Since I was 15 years old, I have wanted to do something in sports
media/sports journalism.
Nobody has actually told me I can not do it, I even am lucky and have
a page on a local stations website where I can write about sports
(I'll post the link at the end of this message.)
But, I listen to a ton of sports talk radio. I understand the hosts
are sighted, and it's a sighted world, but I am beginning to realize
how visual sports journalism may be.
I am noticing that when I listen to sports talk radio and they talk
about say watching parts of
a game I can't see, or they say to go and watch a press conference and
watch how the coach looks around or something like that I become
really depressed and feel I can't do sportswriting or something in
sports media as a career and that really upsets me.
I also notice that a lot of times radio stations will sort of groom
certain interns and such so when they graduate from college they get a
job. I notice I get really jealous and upset when this happens and it
makes me so upset I give up.
I am trying to be better at writing less details, so it's a long story
but I tried going back to school last semester as a journalism major
and I thought I did pretty well and thought I had tried hard and then
when my grades came back I failed out for the second time and can't go
back to this school for a year. It really really hurt myself-esteem
and still hurts today.
Again, another long story, but about six years ago (before I joined
the NFB or went to training) I was doing a bunch of writing for the
radio station and got to answer the phones for an hour-long popular
sports talk show here. There were a bunch of problems that came up
though and I gave up and just stopped going in.
I have since made amends and went to training and still have a page on
the website to write sports on, but I still am really upset about my
mistakes and even today it is really hard and almost impossible for me
to listen to that talk show knowing I used to answer the phones and be
connected to it and now I am basically nobody.
I was even in school back then as well, and I got to meet a bunch of
the journalism professors and one time there was a sports journalism
week and I got to go up and meet all the speakers. Now, I have failed
out of school twice and the professor that really liked me, invited me
to all the things unfortunately passed away. Even at the journalism
school now I am nobody. The dean is still there, but the professors
wouldn't know me if I walked in and used my cane perfectly.
When you have made so many mistakes in your past, and failed so many
times, how do you go on and not give up? How do you listen to
something and not think about your mistakes?
I have another question that often brings me down and makes me question myself.
I do not have any media credentials or passes or anything like that.
Before I begin to write a story I often look at a couple of stories
already written to sort of use as a guide to get either the stats from
the games or quotes the coaches ssay at their post-game press
conferences since I don't have any actual media credentials amd am not
actually there.
With the internet being what it is today, is this okay?
There have never been any problems and my stories are worded
completely differently (I never copy and paste, just get information)
but deep down I feel guilty.
I write something, and I want so much to be proud of it but I feel I
can't be and that brings me down and makes me want to give up.
I guess I just feel frustrated because when I say I don't know what I
want to do with my life, everyone always asks me "What is your
passion?" I could lie, but my passion is sports. I know it well, I
have a sort of photographic memory where I can read a stat or
something and memorize it, there is nothing else I know better.
Everyone has always agreed sports writing/media is a great fit for me,
but I just constantly question myself, am unsure, constantly worry I
won't be able to get a job, I want to feel good about my writing but
deep down I feel guilty, and I often question with sports being such a
visual thing whether it is really possible. As I said previously, I
also struggle with jealousy when I see others being groomed for jobs
and getting paid and I'm not. I also feel sad and can't even listen to
this talk show because I feel so sad about my past mistakes and my
failing out of school twice and now I am nobody where I was so
connected before.
But, at the same time, when people ask me what my passion is, or I
think about it, there is no question: it is sports. I don't know what
to say.
It makes me angry that I constantly question myself so much but yet a
sighted person who loves sports can decide in high school they want to
go into sports journalism, and they attend college, get good grades
and don't fail out, make the right connections along the way, meet the
right people, get a couple of good internships in, and then when they
graduate often land jobs.
How do you all keep from constantly questioning yourselves and giving up?
What do you use to stay motivated?
How do you keep from feeling sad about your past mistakes when you are
reminded of them by listening to local radio?
How do you keep from totally feeling defeated and giving up when you
listen to a sports talk radio show and they talk about a particular
game or story so visually?
Here is the link to my sports page.
http://www.wajr.com/common/page.php?pt=sports_news&id=96
Thanks,
Kerri


From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Oct 17 18:57:44 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 11:57:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness and body contact
In-Reply-To: <EA632E4D-42F2-4BC7-9FBA-97B32950E279@gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJB0FmDjYK7K4Qq3fveYoWy-BcrCp+Ta03HopGYm7udhKw@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAC7+D=wuaN6VmCfkrSS=StTetQBuvX0-v7q=HVcM-g5SMiK8gg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8E104DA4-1FBB-4A79-B5A7-0AF65C0DB1B2@gmail.com>
	<CAMtP_9cEH8AcNSbj+U=MHhOm9XGc0AY392LpHbsL1adNJcw1oA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FaARaFBxNf5xoq9vBjWeKQroWqfd7j67mQ7dn3avGBdcw@mail.gmail.com>
	<EA632E4D-42F2-4BC7-9FBA-97B32950E279@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.168.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, I dig the contact. In fact, after having sort of 
grappled with this feature of blinkie interaction, I think I may have 
concluded tsomething along the lines of, so profound is my love of 
people, of all people, and so much do I  yearn to know how people may 
be feeling, when words themselves, are perhaps too definitive, too 
painful, too exciting
or whatever may be the case, that wouldn't it be much simpler to talk 
with our eyes? I relish all contact.
I think I have recounted David Johnson, the professor from the junior 
college how, he would make some minimal yet decisive contact while we 
were talking. And, wouldn't you know, I "bought" everything he said, 
his using our bodies to re-enforce what he was saying really made all 
the difference because it showed me that he was invested enough in 
our relationship, in our interaction to supplant eye contact which 
wasn't readily available, with contact of a more physical nature. I 
even wrote Mr. Johnson a letter describing these feelings. I love 
people, thrive on contact with people  and in an absence of eye 
contact, I want something to which we might both relate. So yes, 
although recently my hugging people has lessened, I still feel it. 
Need that connection, not anything else but sheer, unchoked 
connection.  42 PM 10/15/2014, you wrote:
>I think this is just something that occurs with older people in 
>general. It may happen more to blind people than others. If so, I 
>wonder if it isn't out of a need for some kind of contact. Eye 
>contact is pretty important in most conversations among two sighted 
>people. In the absence of that contact, people may consciously or 
>unconsciously replace it with physical contact, a touch of the hand 
>on your shoulder, back, etc to form that connection. I don't think 
>it is always paternalistic, treating you like a child, etc.
>On Oct 15, 2014, at 9:30 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >
> > Just out of curiosity, I asked my sister if she's experienced this.
> > to put our similarities in context, she and I are only 18 months apart
> > in age.  We're both intelligent, and polite people, who have a pretty
> > dry sense of humor.  She's taller than me, and physically we look like
> > we might not even be related (I have brown hair and she's blonde, I'm
> > short and she's about 6 inches taller than me, and her complection is
> > farer than mine).  She said that she has experienced this kind of
> > thing a few times, but in every case it was with an elderly person and
> > she just assumed it was them wanting to keep her close to them for
> > some reason.  I too have had elderly people do things like hold my
> > hand for what seems like a really long period of time when I just
> > thought we were going to shake or something, and I've had the whole
> > back stroking thing like what Arielle discussed.  However, my sister
> > thought she'd had this happen to her 2 or 3 times, but I remember it
> > happening a lot.  It happened to me much more when I was younger and
> > my grandma's friends, or friends one of my Aunts that I'm really close
> > to whould introduce to me, but thankfully it hasn't happened so much
> > now.  Then again, I have spent the majority of my time for the past 2
> > years away at school, and only come home for the summer, breaks,
> > Holidays, etc.
> >
> > It is possible that blind men have this happen less than women do, and
> > I do think it has to happen to blind for the reasons people have
> > already said more than it does to the sighted, but according to my
> > sister, and we have generally come into contact with the same older
> > people, it does happen to them too.  By the way though, when I talked
> > about this with her and she asked why I wanted to know her take on it,
> > she responded with, "That's creepy."  At least the sighted get the
> > heeby jeebies about it, too.
> >
> > I've done as others have; just tried to scoot away a few inches in a
> > nonchalant way, so I don't offend the person.  If I'm really
> > uncomfortable, I might step away to get a drink or something, and come
> > back and stand across from the person to show them that I would want
> > to be conversational and face them more than stand next to them in the
> > same personal bubble.  I think you do have to be careful though,
> > because I did have a family member who I don't know very well get
> > offended when I moved away a bit.  I stayed pleasant in conversation,
> > but she took my stepping away from her as pushing her away.
> > Thankfully, my parents backed me up on it, but it was awkward and at
> > 14 or 15, I wasn't the best at handling those kinds of situations.
> >
> > On 10/15/14, Elif Emir via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> this is just a type of microagression. I love this theory to explain
> >> this kind of behaviors. I can't change others' behaviors, yet it helps
> >> me understand both myself and their motivation.
> >> I can understand why I get angry even though the person doing
> >> something cute such as cuddeling or complimenting.
> >> If you were sighted , she wouldn't touch you like that. She just has
> >> in her mind that, you are not equal.
> >> for more info about microagression
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microaggression_theory
> >>
> >> 2014-10-15 17:53 GMT-04:00, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> >>> Oh, my, my Chinese professor is like that. If I'm not seated before she's
> >>> in
> >>> the room, she gets nearly panicky. Like I'm going to fall and die on the
> >>> way
> >>> to my seat or something. And you should see the poor woman when class is
> >>> over and it's time to get up and go.
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>
> >>>> On Oct 15, 2014, at 11:38, Desiree Oudinot via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Hi all,
> >>>> Yes, this has happened to me quite a few times as well. I remember one
> >>>> particular incident, when I went to a friend of my parents' wedding
> >>>> reception. I was walking around, meeting some of the family, and an
> >>>> elderly woman started touching me as I was introduced to her. I
> >>>> reached out to shake her hand once we were introduced, and she kept
> >>>> holding onto it for like 5 minutes. Then, when I was trying to gently
> >>>> pull away, she simply stepped to the side and put her arm around me.
> >>>> You know, I'm at least glad it wasn't a sloppy drunk man or something,
> >>>> but I don't like physical contact very much myself, unless it's from
> >>>> close family or friends. So even when it was from a relatively
> >>>> harmless person, the whole thing made me feel stressed and
> >>>> uncomfortable, and ruined what otherwise might have been a pleasant
> >>>> conversation.
> >>>> I also have distant relatives who do this, people I rarely see. While
> >>>> this is a bit different because they're related to me, I know that
> >>>> they're not as affectionate with other family members, even those they
> >>>> haven't seen in a long time.
> >>>> When people do this to me, and I could be wrong about this, but it is
> >>>> my knee-jerk reaction only, it makes me feel as though the sighted
> >>>> person is worried that I'm so helpless that I might blow away or
> >>>> something. It makes me feel as though they are anchoring me. Because,
> >>>> usually, the same people who do this are the same who are extremely
> >>>> anxious because I'm not sitting down. They act appalled when I say
> >>>> that I'm fine standing.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/15/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi all,
> >>>>> So the feeling faces thread reminded me of something and I'm curious
> >>>>> what your experiences are with this kind of thing. My sister got
> >>>>> married last weekend and I gave a toast at her rehearsal dinner and a
> >>>>> short reading during the ceremony. At the cocktail reception a woman
> >>>>> approached me and introduced herself as the aunt of my sister's new
> >>>>> husband. She then went on for a while about how beautiful my speeches
> >>>>> were. The entire time she had her arm kind of around the side of my
> >>>>> back and was stroking my shoulder. It made me a bit uncomfortable
> >>>>> because we had just met and I am not a very touchy-feely person except
> >>>>> with very close family and friends. This is also not the firsttime
> >>>>> people I don't know, or barely know, have interacted with me in this
> >>>>> way. I have always wondered if the touching is somehow because of my
> >>>>> blindness and if so, why do people feel driven to be so physically
> >>>>> affectionate with me? Or, is this a typical way people interact, and
> >>>>> being blind my whole life, I just haven't noticed how other people
> >>>>> physically interact during conversation? If you guys have experienced
> >>>>> this sort of thing, how do you usually respond? I'm not talking about
> >>>>> being grabbed by over-helpful people; I'm talking about people making
> >>>>> physical (nonsexual) contact during a conversation. And not just the
> >>>>> occasional shoulder tap, but something more hug-like.
> >>>>> Best,
> >>>>> Arielle
> >>>>>
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> >>>> --
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> >>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 00:25:24 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 20:25:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Plaforys for creating a Mailing List
Message-ID: <5441b39c.895f8c0a.a02d.04f3@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

I have a friend who needs a platform to put his mailing list on.  
Right now we use google groups but he feels that this is not a 
good solution.  Last night I contacted freelists but they don't 
have a religious category on their site.  Do you know of any 
other platforms that will work for this?


From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Sat Oct 18 04:06:52 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:06:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Update us! Second request for NABS Notes updates
Message-ID: <C9845F27-DF93-4CD8-A24D-7CB5C391645F@gmail.com>

Fellow Students,
Hopefully this October finds you well. As we on the communications
committee assemble our monthly issue of NABS notes, we are excited to
hear what your state is up to! If you have announcements and/ or
updates from your student’s state division which you would like
published in our next month’s edition, you are most welcome to send
them along to Gabe at:
Gcazares10 at gmail.com
Or Rebecca at:
becsjoynfb at gmail.com
cheers,
Rebecca~


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 04:54:46 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 21:54:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] What do you think: does getting involved with a
 blindness organization or society involve working in the real world?
In-Reply-To: <F6B0C562-E0FB-41A5-A327-97D0C675F082@fuse.net>
References: <0NCS00IBLNURWO40@vms173017.mailsrvcs.net>
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Evening, blind sister, Sami,

         Well, perhaps unbeknownst to certain "blind consumer 
organizations, Ol'Sighty, in many cases, doesn't care too much about 
being lectured, most people don't. Ol'Sighty, along with most people, 
however,tend toward  responding to action I.E. what he sees within 
his world:  Show him blind people doing.
and, whether he is doing it alone, perhaps, Ol'Sighty cares not.

So no, blind people working within their blind worlds, Ol'Sighty 
probably expects. I totally dig this talk, keep 'em comin'!
for today, Car At 07:37 PM 10/1/2014, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l wrote:
>Yes, on the basic level that's involves changing society's 
>perceptions about blindness. Justin also has several good points.
>
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Oct 1, 2014, at 9:51 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm just curious to know your opinions on whether you consider 
> getting involved with a blindness organization or society such as 
> the Federation or NABS to be going out and working in the real world?
> >
> > I'm just curious because not everybody in the world is blind, so 
> working with a company that only involves blind people is, in my 
> opinion, not really a job where you interact with everyone out there.
> > I think it should be obvious to everyone on this list that about 
> 70 percent of the people in this world are sighted and about 30 
> percent includes us, the blindness community.  Sorrmy if my math is 
> off, but that's my estimate of how much of the world contains the 
> sighted people and how much contains us.  Somebody else on this 
> list might have a more accurate calculation of the actual percentages.
> >
> > So, in your opinion, is getting involved with a blindness group 
> going out and working in the real world or only in your "blindness" world?
> >
> > I'm looking forward to hearing your views.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Sami.
> >
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 05:48:31 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2014 22:48:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] An Mpdate on my Independence
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References: <5437136f.c306e00a.169e.ffffb6dd@mx.google.com>
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Evening, Rona,

         Way to go if of course, that is your thing to be totally 
independent. I hope, though, that you are taking these strides toward 
independence and not, turning your back on interdependence, because 
if one practices interdependence, she must know the shades and 
textures of what needs doing, as well as how to go about achieving it.
Good luck, honey!
Car

, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>This morning I took another small step toward improving my 
>independence.  After class I went to the elevator all on my own and 
>met my dad down stairs by myself.  There are braille signs in and 
>outsides of the elevator in this building.  This is another small 
>step towards improving my independence.
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Oct 19 22:43:06 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 17:43:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] news line app for IOS
In-Reply-To: <CALh+v0bexiO3zaHGV8qC5XPecstetjpfwi_xpqN+30KghD8zDQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPvhekz1F0ZDKTwT1R0gBepT6d2JzGuvt1YssgBV1c1FZA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALh+v0bexiO3zaHGV8qC5XPecstetjpfwi_xpqN+30KghD8zDQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000003318537@mailfront1.g2host.com>

You should also be able to get your credentials from your state's NFB 
Newsline Coordinator.

Dave

At 08:22 PM 10/16/2014, you wrote:
>Hi,
>If you call 1-866-504-7300, they will be able to give that information to you.
>
>
>
>On 10/16/14, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi all:
> > So, I downloaded the IOS NFB-Newsline app, but it requires me to log
> > in and I don't remember my credentials anymore.
> > Where can I get that information from?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Jorge
> >
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E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sun Oct 19 23:11:46 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:11:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote MLA question
Message-ID: <5444454a.31598c0a.2987.ffff9386@mx.google.com>

Hello Federation Friends,

I have a question about writing apaper in MLA format on the 
braillenote apex. I'd figured out how to double space and number 
pages, but is there a way to make sure that your last name is 
printed on the top of every page, as MLA format requires? All 
help is very much appreciated! Have a good week at school.

Yours,
Sophie


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Oct 19 23:50:49 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 16:50:49 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Afternoon, Merissa, and Rona,

         Yeah. I didn't mean for a second that I go around and in a 
willy nilly fashion, grope people's faces! All I was hypothesizing, 
really, was what I think may warrant a face being particularly 
attractive or unattractive and my personal views of groping people's 
faces.  So, I too, for every-day interaction rely on the typical 
blinkie ways of identifying people. As others here have said, facial 
groping only comes out upon knowing somebody really well but is not, 
the status quo by any means.
for today, Car

01:57 PM 10/4/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's 
>voices such as friends or family members.  I try to use my 
>imagination to imagine what someone looks like.
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 01:55:52 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:55:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Evening, Antonio,

Me too! Bring on the flirtation.At 10:24 PM 10/11/2014, justin 
williams via nabs-l wrote:
>Lol; mean neither.
>
>Grin.
>  Flert.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
>Guimaraes via nabs-l
>Sent: Saturday, October 11, 2014 11:39 AM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
>I don't feel faces except in the case of relying on it as a flirtation
>device.
>
>Antonio
>
>On Oct 5, 2014, at 12:23 AM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Hello.  This is an interesting topic.  I've very rarely touched
> > someone's face.  I have done a couple times if they were a close
> > friend, or a girl friend.  To me, it would be weird asking people who
> > I'd just met if I could touch their face.  Also, in today's society I
> > think most people even if they would let a blind person touch their
> > face would feel very unconfortable going through that experience.  I
> > think the only people I might do it would be either my wife, or close
> > family members.  I am currently attending a training center in Chicago
> > where many of the adults are newly blinded, or haven't been blind very
> > long.  No one at the center to my knowledge has touched each others
> > face, I know I've never been asked if someone could touch my face
> > while being at the center.
> >
> > On 10/4/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> It is not that I think it can't be used, because it can, I just see
> >> no need to do so unless you just want too.  It is usually a waist of
> >> time most of the time.
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian
> >> Smith via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Saturday, October 04, 2014 5:37 PM
> >> To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> >> list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> >>
> >> Hi all,
> >> it would appear  that the majority if not all of us believe that
> >> feeling faces to determine looks is a myth.
> >>   I would say that my opinion sides with the  majority and in the
> >> case of Arielle, I can't really argue with science on this one,  either.
> >>  Darian
> >>
> >> On Oct 4, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l
> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi Marissa I don't feel faces either.  I try to remember people's
> >>> voices
> >> such as friends or family members.  I try to use my imagination to
> >> imagine what someone looks like.
> >>>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 02:05:33 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:05:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
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Evening, Ashley,

         I''m sure many of us might concure that, beyond casual 
acquaintances with whom we, as blind students could disguise as 
"friends," Blind people, by and large, don't seem for whatever a 
reason, to  make lasting friendships with ol'Sighty. I say this not 
because I am aching to have some exception to this sort of 
proclamation  thrown in my face, but because it is an ideal type of 
most blinks, and a sighted  majority.
Car   02:56 PM 10/11/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi,
>I thought I'd comment on that subject albeit a little old.
>I also had social problems in high school. I struggled to be 
>accepted. I also found due to the pace of school and a few minutes 
>between classes, I hardly had time to get to know people, let alone 
>develop a good friendship.
>
>I was in clubs but that only helped minimally. I joined spanish club 
>for instance.
>Like Kaiti's experience, my college years proved better socially.
>
>But still it was not easy finding and making friends. I could never 
>say hi to familiar people walking about as I could not identify 
>them. I made friends in bible study but that was about it.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:52 PM
>To: Carly Mihalakis ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question
>
>I have to agree with what Kurt and Lillie said, as my high school
>experience wasn't terribly great either.  I did all right, and I
>wasn't bullied or anything, but people didn't go out of their way to
>return social gestures I tried to put out, and that ultimately led to
>me being kind of depressed in my junior year.  Ironically, that was
>when I got senioritis, and it really didn't improve till I got
>accepted to my college and was relieved to get out of there.
>
>I did a lot of what was recommended by others on this list.  I was in
>the marching band for 4 years plus my 8th grade year by invitation; I
>was on the academic quiz team and was valuable in answering the music
>and genetics questions for the team; I was in women's chorus for one
>year; I was an honors/AP student.  Many of my honors and ApP
>classmates, bandmates, quiz team members were kids I had grown up with
>since elementary school, so I think around middle school was when the
>blindness started to become a stigma.  Kids in my junior and senior
>classes didn't even speak to me, when we would play together on the
>elementary school playground.  It's really sad how shallow people can
>get with age.
>
>I have to disagree with Karl a little bit, because I consider myself
>to be a pretty extroverted person and still had social issues in high
>school.  Thankfully, these have subsided a little in college, but I
>have managed to make quality friends in my fraternity, in my band
>classes, and almost exclusively hang out with music majors now.  It
>was different last year, and I had some of the same issues in mixed
>groups where people didn't know me as well.  I think you just have to
>try to find people who are like-minded, and remember that the people
>who see blindness as a stigma or a problem you have aren't people
>worth hanging around with anyway.  When you find the people who are
>really cool, those are the ones you want to keep around.
>
>On 9/6/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>Afternoon, whomever you are,
>>
>>Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much with
>>my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in
>>conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids
>>were holding me at arm's length.
>>I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who
>>were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
>>   their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough to
>>me," but at the end of the day they really don't
>>>see the true values of being anything closer than an acquaintance.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being  someone to
>>>be pitied.
>>>
>>>Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I was a
>>>weird
>>>child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be friends with
>>>me.
>>>There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what
>>>elementary
>>>school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know a few
>>>pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended period of
>>>pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid that was
>>>quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other people my
>>>age.
>>>
>>>Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I don't
>>>really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends such as
>>>posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on social
>>>media,
>>>and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really feel that
>>>they
>>>could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even the small
>>>things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird
>>>assignments
>>>in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes have
>>>trouble
>>>coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a superficial
>>>level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure if that's
>>>the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than my sited
>>>peers.
>>>
>>>Anyway, onto the original topic.
>>>I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you like, or
>>>have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
>>>independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to the club
>>>and
>>>not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the start
>>>that
>>>you have something to contribute. I've met some of my afquaintances this
>>>way.
>>>
>>>One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure that
>>>your
>>>school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they to set
>>>you
>>>up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I had a
>>>group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in middle school
>>>who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never prove it,
>>>that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry for me
>>>and
>>>to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It served as
>>>a
>>>very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else has hod to
>>>go through that.
>>>
>>>I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I am sure
>>>most
>>>of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount them or
>>>create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture here.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via
>>>nabs-l
>>>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
>>>To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question
>>>
>>>This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to realize, if
>>>only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a normal person
>>>and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better since, as
>>>I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, but it's
>>>not
>>>an easy thing.
>>>
>>>Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
>>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
>>> > Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
>>> > comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
>>> > classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty good
>>> > laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class of
>>> > students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher being
>>> > afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since I'd
>>> > been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be afraid to
>>> > talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
>>> > blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a girl
>>> > after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
>>> > questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even in my
>>> > usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to me in
>>> > the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, that I
>>> > had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a blind
>>> > person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a different
>>> > question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way you
>>> > talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.  Good
>>> > luck.
>>> >
>>> >> On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >> Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I joke
>>> >> about stuff all the time (smile)
>>> >>
>>> >>> On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> >>> I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
>>> >>> I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may seem
>>> >>> hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
>>> >>> have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
>>> >>> others, no one notices I'm blind.
>>> >>> It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
>>> >>> I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
>>> >>> ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school could
>>> >>> go).
>>> >>> I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) Two
>>> >>> girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to me,
>>> >>> (same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
>>> >>> friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
>>> >>> talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
>>> >>> friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I can
>>> >>> ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between Michelle
>>> >>> and Jessica, but I'm getting better.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
>>> >>> open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't see
>>> >>> the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
>>> >>> Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
>>> >>> It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
>>> >>> whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, you
>>> >>> can ask."
>>> >>> They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
>>> >>> won't.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.
>>> >>>
>>> >>>
>>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> >>> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:49 -0600
>>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
>>> >>>
>>> >>> hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
>>> >>> me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all
>>> >>> of my classes there are different kids ,
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:54:50 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:54:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
Message-ID: <5444ea19.a1aa320a.640b.ffffcb69@mx.google.com>

Hi Carly,

I appreciate that you don't want to here about exceptions to your 
claim, but I think it just isn't true.  High school might be 
different--I was a homeschooler, so I wouldn't know--but for 
those of us in college or who have jobs outside of the blindness 
industry the vast majority of people we come in contact with are 
sighted, and thus there really isn't opportunity to be segregated 
to hang out with just the blind people.  Making long term friends 
is hard for everyone whether blind or sighted and may well be 
harder for us, but since the vast majority of people that an 
employed or in school blind person becomes acquainted with are 
sighted, the vast majority of people who go from being 
acquaintances to friends are typically sighted as well.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,"National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:05:33 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question

Evening, Ashley,

         I''m sure many of us might concure that, beyond casual
acquaintances with whom we, as blind students could disguise as
"friends," Blind people, by and large, don't seem for whatever a
reason, to  make lasting friendships with ol'Sighty. I say this 
not
because I am aching to have some exception to this sort of
proclamation  thrown in my face, but because it is an ideal type 
of
most blinks, and a sighted  majority.
Car   02:56 PM 10/11/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
Hi,
I thought I'd comment on that subject albeit a little old.
I also had social problems in high school. I struggled to be
accepted. I also found due to the pace of school and a few 
minutes
between classes, I hardly had time to get to know people, let 
alone
develop a good friendship.

I was in clubs but that only helped minimally. I joined spanish 
club
for instance.
Like Kaiti's experience, my college years proved better socially.

But still it was not easy finding and making friends. I could 
never
say hi to familiar people walking about as I could not identify
them. I made friends in bible study but that was about it.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:52 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis ; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question

I have to agree with what Kurt and Lillie said, as my high school
experience wasn't terribly great either.  I did all right, and I
wasn't bullied or anything, but people didn't go out of their way 
to
return social gestures I tried to put out, and that ultimately 
led to
me being kind of depressed in my junior year.  Ironically, that 
was
when I got senioritis, and it really didn't improve till I got
accepted to my college and was relieved to get out of there.

I did a lot of what was recommended by others on this list.  I 
was in
the marching band for 4 years plus my 8th grade year by 
invitation; I
was on the academic quiz team and was valuable in answering the 
music
and genetics questions for the team; I was in women's chorus for 
one
year; I was an honors/AP student.  Many of my honors and ApP
classmates, bandmates, quiz team members were kids I had grown up 
with
since elementary school, so I think around middle school was when 
the
blindness started to become a stigma.  Kids in my junior and 
senior
classes didn't even speak to me, when we would play together on 
the
elementary school playground.  It's really sad how shallow people 
can
get with age.

I have to disagree with Karl a little bit, because I consider 
myself
to be a pretty extroverted person and still had social issues in 
high
school.  Thankfully, these have subsided a little in college, but 
I
have managed to make quality friends in my fraternity, in my band
classes, and almost exclusively hang out with music majors now.  
It
was different last year, and I had some of the same issues in 
mixed
groups where people didn't know me as well.  I think you just 
have to
try to find people who are like-minded, and remember that the 
people
who see blindness as a stigma or a problem you have aren't people
worth hanging around with anyway.  When you find the people who 
are
really cool, those are the ones you want to keep around.

On 9/6/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
Afternoon, whomever you are,

Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much 
with
my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in
conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids
were holding me at arm's length.
I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who
were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
   their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough 
to
me," but at the end of the day they really don't
see the true values of being anything closer than an 
acquaintance.




would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being  
someone to
be pitied.

Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I 
was a
weird
child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be 
friends with
me.
There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what
elementary
school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know 
a few
pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended 
period of
pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid 
that was
quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other 
people my
age.

Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I 
don't
really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends 
such as
posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on 
social
media,
and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really 
feel that
they
could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even 
the small
things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird
assignments
in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes 
have
trouble
coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a 
superficial
level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure 
if that's
the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than 
my sited
peers.

Anyway, onto the original topic.
I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you 
like, or
have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to 
the club
and
not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the 
start
that
you have something to contribute. I've met some of my 
afquaintances this
way.

One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure 
that
your
school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they 
to set
you
up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I 
had a
group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in 
middle school
who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never 
prove it,
that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry 
for me
and
to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It 
served as
a
very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else 
has hod to
go through that.

I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I 
am sure
most
of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount 
them or
create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture 
here.





-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt 
via
nabs-l
Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question

This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to 
realize, if
only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a 
normal person
and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better 
since, as
I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, 
but it's
not
an easy thing.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
 Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
 comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
 classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty 
good
 laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class 
of
 students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher 
being
 afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since 
I'd
 been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be 
afraid to
 talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
 blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a 
girl
 after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
 questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even 
in my
 usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to 
me in
 the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, 
that I
 had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a 
blind
 person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a 
different
 question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way 
you
 talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.  
Good
 luck.

 On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I 
joke
 about stuff all the time (smile)

 On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
 I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may 
seem
 hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
 have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
 others, no one notices I'm blind.
 It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
 I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
 ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school 
could
 go).
 I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) 
Two
 girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to 
me,
 (same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
 friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
 talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
 friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I 
can
 ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between 
Michelle
 and Jessica, but I'm getting better.

 Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
 open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't 
see
 the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
 Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
 It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
 whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, 
you
 can ask."
 They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
 won't.

 If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.


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 hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, 
for
 me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in 
all
 of my classes there are different kids ,

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 20 10:54:54 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 06:54:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote MLA question
Message-ID: <5444ea1c.a1aa320a.640b.ffffcb6a@mx.google.com>

As far as I know there isn't a way of doing this.  Also, be 
careful about the double spacing and page numbers.  If you save 
your file as anything other than KWT or BRL all that formatting 
gets lost, which means you have to format with a computer or 
print directly from your BrailleNote because if you save your 
work as a file that any other computer can read, the formatting 
goes away.

 ----- Original Message -----
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Date sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 18:11:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote MLA question

Hello Federation Friends,

I have a question about writing apaper in MLA format on the
braillenote apex. I'd figured out how to double space and number
pages, but is there a way to make sure that your last name is
printed on the top of every page, as MLA format requires? All
help is very much appreciated! Have a good week at school.

Yours,
Sophie

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Oct 20 12:01:54 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 05:01:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
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Good morning, Karl,

         Why must people assume that, my saying it being more 
problematic to maintain quality relationships with Ol'Sighty, means 
necessarily that I believe in only relationships with blind people. 
For, as you pointed out, it's just not that simple. Now, I never said 
blind people don't have acquaintances in their classes that they 
might even be on a first name basis with, even I have such 
acquaintances. But the relationship, at least in my experience, 
rarely blossoms into anything that is more extensive than casual 
interaction within class, or what have you.
for today, Car

  Hi Carly,

>I appreciate that you don't want to here about exceptions to your 
>claim, but I think it just isn't true.  High school might be 
>different--I was a homeschooler, so I wouldn't know--but for those 
>of us in college or who have jobs outside of the blindness industry 
>the vast majority of people we come in contact with are sighted, and 
>thus there really isn't opportunity to be segregated to hang out 
>with just the blind people.  Making long term friends is hard for 
>everyone whether blind or sighted and may well be harder for us, but 
>since the vast majority of people that an employed or in school 
>blind person becomes acquainted with are sighted, the vast majority 
>of people who go from being acquaintances to friends are typically 
>sighted as well.
>
>Best,
>Karl
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,National Association 
>of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,"National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sun, 19 Oct 2014 19:05:33 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question
>
>Evening, Ashley,
>
>         I''m sure many of us might concure that, beyond casual
>acquaintances with whom we, as blind students could disguise as
>"friends," Blind people, by and large, don't seem for whatever a
>reason, to  make lasting friendships with ol'Sighty. I say this not
>because I am aching to have some exception to this sort of
>proclamation  thrown in my face, but because it is an ideal type of
>most blinks, and a sighted  majority.
>Car   02:56 PM 10/11/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi,
>I thought I'd comment on that subject albeit a little old.
>I also had social problems in high school. I struggled to be
>accepted. I also found due to the pace of school and a few minutes
>between classes, I hardly had time to get to know people, let alone
>develop a good friendship.
>
>I was in clubs but that only helped minimally. I joined spanish club
>for instance.
>Like Kaiti's experience, my college years proved better socially.
>
>But still it was not easy finding and making friends. I could never
>say hi to familiar people walking about as I could not identify
>them. I made friends in bible study but that was about it.
>
>Ashley
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 4:52 PM
>To: Carly Mihalakis ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] high school question
>
>I have to agree with what Kurt and Lillie said, as my high school
>experience wasn't terribly great either.  I did all right, and I
>wasn't bullied or anything, but people didn't go out of their way to
>return social gestures I tried to put out, and that ultimately led to
>me being kind of depressed in my junior year.  Ironically, that was
>when I got senioritis, and it really didn't improve till I got
>accepted to my college and was relieved to get out of there.
>
>I did a lot of what was recommended by others on this list.  I was in
>the marching band for 4 years plus my 8th grade year by invitation; I
>was on the academic quiz team and was valuable in answering the music
>and genetics questions for the team; I was in women's chorus for one
>year; I was an honors/AP student.  Many of my honors and ApP
>classmates, bandmates, quiz team members were kids I had grown up with
>since elementary school, so I think around middle school was when the
>blindness started to become a stigma.  Kids in my junior and senior
>classes didn't even speak to me, when we would play together on the
>elementary school playground.  It's really sad how shallow people can
>get with age.
>
>I have to disagree with Karl a little bit, because I consider myself
>to be a pretty extroverted person and still had social issues in high
>school.  Thankfully, these have subsided a little in college, but I
>have managed to make quality friends in my fraternity, in my band
>classes, and almost exclusively hang out with music majors now.
>It
>was different last year, and I had some of the same issues in mixed
>groups where people didn't know me as well.  I think you just have to
>try to find people who are like-minded, and remember that the people
>who see blindness as a stigma or a problem you have aren't people
>worth hanging around with anyway.  When you find the people who are
>really cool, those are the ones you want to keep around.
>
>On 9/6/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Afternoon, whomever you are,
>
>Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much with
>my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in
>conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids
>were holding me at arm's length.
>I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who
>were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
>   their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough to
>me," but at the end of the day they really don't
>see the true values of being anything closer than an acquaintance.
>
>
>
>
>would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being
>someone to
>be pitied.
>
>Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I was a
>weird
>child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be friends with
>me.
>There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what
>elementary
>school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know a few
>pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended period of
>pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid that was
>quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other people my
>age.
>
>Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I don't
>really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends such as
>posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on social
>media,
>and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really feel that
>they
>could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even the small
>things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird
>assignments
>in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes have
>trouble
>coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a superficial
>level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure if that's
>the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than my sited
>peers.
>
>Anyway, onto the original topic.
>I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you like, or
>have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
>independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to the club
>and
>not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the start
>that
>you have something to contribute. I've met some of my afquaintances this
>way.
>
>One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure that
>your
>school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they to set
>you
>up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I had a
>group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in middle school
>who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never prove it,
>that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry for me
>and
>to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It served as
>a
>very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else has hod to
>go through that.
>
>I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I am sure
>most
>of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount them or
>create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture here.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via
>nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
>To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question
>
>This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to realize, if
>only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a normal person
>and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better since, as
>I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, but it's
>not
>an easy thing.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
>Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
>comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
>classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty good
>laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class of
>students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher being
>afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since I'd
>been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be afraid to
>talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
>blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a girl
>after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
>questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even in my
>usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to me in
>the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, that I
>had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a blind
>person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a different
>question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way you
>talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.
>Good
>luck.
>
>On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I joke
>about stuff all the time (smile)
>
>On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
>I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may seem
>hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
>have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
>others, no one notices I'm blind.
>It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
>I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
>ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school could
>go).
>I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) Two
>girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to me,
>(same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
>friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
>talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
>friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I can
>ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between Michelle
>and Jessica, but I'm getting better.
>
>Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
>open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't see
>the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
>Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
>It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
>whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, you
>can ask."
>They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
>won't.
>
>If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:49 -0600
>Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
>
>hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
>me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all
>of my classes there are different kids ,
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Mon Oct 20 16:35:18 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 12:35:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question on Google Docs
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Hello NABS,
I recently found out that it is possible to download what is displayed 
on Google Docs as a microsoft word file.
Is this function possible with JAWS or any other screen reader?
Miso Kwak




From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 00:33:34 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:33:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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Hi everyone,
How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the meeting?Amanda

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Oct 21 00:38:58 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 17:38:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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Hi Amanda 
I believe you can record as long as your apex has the space for. 
You should be able to record your meetings. Technically you can type while you're recording, but sometimes I find by apex slow when I do that. Also when you play the recorded memo, you will hear yourself typing rather loudly. 
Miso

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> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the meeting?Amanda
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 00:40:12 2014
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 18:40:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>

yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving 
your recordings to.

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Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex


>
>
> Hi everyone,
> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for meetings? 
> Can I take notes at the same time as recording the meeting?Amanda
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 00:43:35 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:43:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
In-Reply-To: <013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>
References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>
	<013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>
Message-ID: <F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>

Okay, that is annoying. How much space does the apex have?

Amanda

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving your recordings to.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the meeting?Amanda
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Oct 21 01:05:56 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:05:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
In-Reply-To: <F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>
References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>	<013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>
	<F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01cfeccb$2bc8cd50$835a67f0$@mediacombb.net>

There are roughly 8 ggigs of memory on board.  You can increase this via an
sd card. 

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Doug Oliver
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex

Okay, that is annoying. How much space does the apex have?

Amanda

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving
your recordings to.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for 
>> meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the 
>> meeting?Amanda _______________________________________________
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Oct 21 01:06:49 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 20 Oct 2014 20:06:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
In-Reply-To: <F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>
References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>	<013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>
	<F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01cfeccb$4abc62d0$e0352870$@mediacombb.net>

If your apex is empty, you should have several hundred hours of recording
time.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Doug Oliver
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex

Okay, that is annoying. How much space does the apex have?

Amanda

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving
your recordings to.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for 
>> meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the 
>> meeting?Amanda _______________________________________________
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 16:06:46 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 10:06:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
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References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>
	<013e01cfecc7$94630c80$0800a8c0@juh>
	<F8291816-6CBC-44AA-8CD2-1B713F36127D@gmail.com>
	<000d01cfeccb$4abc62d0$e0352870$@mediacombb.net>
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Amanda,
Congratulations on graduating your technology i up to this decade. :-) I found the apex microphone to be much more sensitive at recording them that on the pac mate, also someone correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure you can record directly and MP3 which will save a lot of space. I still prefer Recording things on the Victor Stream, even compared to an iPhone, because of the really easy bookmark/highlight bookmark options. If you're going to be doing serious recording, I probably suggest you go that route if it's viable for you.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 7:06 PM, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If your apex is empty, you should have several hundred hours of recording
> time.  
> 
> Loren 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Amanda via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 7:44 PM
> To: Doug Oliver
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
> 
> Okay, that is annoying. How much space does the apex have?
> 
> Amanda
> 
>> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:40 PM, "Doug Oliver" <oliver.doug1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> yes and it all depends on how much space you have on whatever your saving
> your recordings to.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Amanda via nabs-l" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 6:33 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for 
>>> meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the 
>>> meeting?Amanda _______________________________________________
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 21 22:22:18 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 2014 18:22:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Recording with apex
In-Reply-To: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>
References: <8F8D7316-B251-42F2-97CF-DA193D5ED1F6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CB7B3B8D-DA0E-46FA-B61A-914FEA16B4C5@gmail.com>

Amanda,

As others have said, you can record for many hours on the Apex. Note, however, that the file format used for these recordings is WAV rather than MP3. This means that the file sizes will be very large and take up a good deal of storage. In answer to your second question, you can write notes while recording, although you will hear the sound of your keyboard on the final recording.

HTH,

Chris

> On Oct 20, 2014, at 8:33 PM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Hi everyone,
> How long can I record for with the apex? Does it work well for meetings? Can I take notes at the same time as recording the meeting?Amanda
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Oct 22 17:18:44 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 17:18:44 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Superfest 2014 is on November 2
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50C6C1@email.rrlh-sf.local>

Superfest is Coming - Get your tickets now!

Born in the 1970's, Superfest International Disability Film Festival celebrates cutting-edge cinema that portrays disability culture in all its
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Join us on Sunday, November 2, 2014 from 10:30 am to 6 pm at the Contemporary Jewish Museum at 736 Mission Street in San Francisco.

One film, Once Again, is autobiographical, about a man looking back on his childhood with Obsessive Compulsive Disorder. The film uses animation to effectively help the viewer understand and feel the experience of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.

Come see Once Again and ten other shorts selected by the Superfest panel of judges, all of whom are disabled. Be a part of the excitement and purchase your tickets today!

Learn More and Buy Tickets: http://superfestfilm.com/superfest-2014

Our mailing address is:
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From Vyingling at nfb.org  Wed Oct 22 20:56:22 2014
From: Vyingling at nfb.org (Yingling, Valerie)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 20:56:22 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for students experiencing difficulty obtaining
 accessible practice exams
Message-ID: <89ba15d76df6488f8f2c3c0c4c341977@CO1PR07MB316.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

The NFB is committed to advocating for accessible practice exams for blind students. To do this, we need your help. If you have experienced difficulty obtaining an accessible practice exam, please contact Valerie Yingling, paralegal at the NFB, at 410-659-9314, extension 2440, with the name and publisher of the practice exam and the accessible format sought.

Practice exams in question include those needed to prepare for admission to graduate school, advanced placement tests, and others.

Thanks,
Valerie Yingling
Paralegal
National Federation of the Blind
410-659-9314, extension 2440

From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Wed Oct 22 23:57:44 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 19:57:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions concerning study abroad
Message-ID: <CAGpn82RFq4NE4Ej0FE=tHxSdALdyVvAD2TX4A05OnUVJieXuaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS, hope everyone is having a great semester.  I know some of you
on the list have had the opportunity to study abroad. I’ve had it on
my bucket list for quite a while, but I’ve heard it can be pretty
expensive. I was just wondering if you know of any resources or tips
that I should consider before assuming that I can’t afford it and just
throw the idea out? I know that there are of course lots of
scholarships, but I’m planning to go to graduate school after earning
my BA, and feel like I should save all of the scholarships that I
might be eligible for and use them for grad school as opposed to a
summer or semester abroad. I’d appreciate any suggestions and advice
anyone who has studied abroad can offer.
Thanks, Kayla


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 23 01:08:26 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 2014 21:08:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions concerning study abroad
Message-ID: <5448552d.0724320a.43d6.6367@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Kayla,

I=20think=20this=20depends=20on=20what=20kind=20of=20grad=20school=20you're=
=20planning=20
on=20attending.=20=20The=20general=20rule=20of=20thumb=20is=20that=20you=20=
should=20never=20
pay=20to=20get=20a=20Ph.D.,=20good=20programs=20will=20wave=20tuition=20and=
=20probably=20
give=20you=20a=20stipend=20as=20well.=20=20SO=20if=20that's=20the=20case,=20=
then=20you=20
shouldn't=20have=20to=20worry=20about=20saving=20scholarship=20money,=20tho=
ugh=20of=20
course=20if=20you=20want=20to=20go=20to=20a=20master's=20program=20or=20get=
=20a=20J.D.=20or=20
M.D.=20things=20are=20different.=20=20It=20also=20might=20be=20worth=20your=
=20while=20to=20
wait=20and=20do=20your=20semester=20abroad=20after=20you're=20in=20grad=20s=
chool--I=20
know=20a=20lot=20of=20programs=20have=20funding=20available=20for=20their=20=
students=20
to=20do=20that=20sort=20of=20thing.

Hope=20this=20helps,
Karl

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Kayla=20Weathers=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Wed,=2022=20Oct=202014=2019:57:44=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Questions=20concerning=20study=20abroad

Hi=20NABS,=20hope=20everyone=20is=20having=20a=20great=20semester.=20=20I=20=
know=20some=20
of=20you
on=20the=20list=20have=20had=20the=20opportunity=20to=20study=20abroad.=20I=
=E2=80=99ve=20had=20
it=20on
my=20bucket=20list=20for=20quite=20a=20while,=20but=20I=E2=80=99ve=20heard=
=20it=20can=20be=20
pretty
expensive.=20I=20was=20just=20wondering=20if=20you=20know=20of=20any=20reso=
urces=20or=20
tips
that=20I=20should=20consider=20before=20assuming=20that=20I=20can=E2=80=99t=
=20afford=20it=20
and=20just
throw=20the=20idea=20out?=20I=20know=20that=20there=20are=20of=20course=20l=
ots=20of
scholarships,=20but=20I=E2=80=99m=20planning=20to=20go=20to=20graduate=20sc=
hool=20after=20
earning
my=20BA,=20and=20feel=20like=20I=20should=20save=20all=20of=20the=20scholar=
ships=20that=20I
might=20be=20eligible=20for=20and=20use=20them=20for=20grad=20school=20as=20=
opposed=20to=20
a
summer=20or=20semester=20abroad.=20I=E2=80=99d=20appreciate=20any=20suggest=
ions=20and=20
advice
anyone=20who=20has=20studied=20abroad=20can=20offer.
Thanks,=20Kayla

_______________________________________________
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To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
unt=20info=20
for=20nabs-l:
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Thu Oct 23 12:23:29 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 05:23:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions concerning study abroad
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82RFq4NE4Ej0FE=tHxSdALdyVvAD2TX4A05OnUVJieXuaw@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAGpn82RFq4NE4Ej0FE=tHxSdALdyVvAD2TX4A05OnUVJieXuaw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.175.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Kayla,

         Well, it seems you might considder that 
the makings of a "well-rounded" academic might 
involve experience beyond  tons, and tons of book 
learning. therefore, you might considder devoting 
some of your presumed schollarship ops toward 
study abroad. Aftter all, anyone can amass book 
knowledge while a pursuit of certain study abroad 
or volunteer ops, just might give you that edge 
to counteract your blindness. If it were me, 
then, I would regard studying abroad as a 
profound addition to my skill set, and experience.
for today, Car

/2014, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi NABS, hope everyone is having a great 
>semester.  I know some of you on the list have 
>had the opportunity to study abroad. I’ve had 
>it on my bucket list for quite a while, but 
>I’ve heard it can be pretty expensive. I was 
>just wondering if you know of any resources or 
>tips that I should consider before assuming that 
>I can’t afford it and just throw the idea out? 
>I know that there are of course lots of 
>scholarships, but I’m planning to go to 
>graduate school after earning my BA, and feel 
>like I should save all of the scholarships that 
>I might be eligible for and use them for grad 
>school as opposed to a summer or semester 
>abroad. I’d appreciate any suggestions and 
>advice anyone who has studied abroad can offer. 
>Thanks, Kayla 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 03:12:18 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 2014 23:12:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions concerning study abroad
In-Reply-To: <5448f36e.2f658c0a.a22d.0325SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <CAGpn82RFq4NE4Ej0FE=tHxSdALdyVvAD2TX4A05OnUVJieXuaw@mail.gmail.com>
	<5448f36e.2f658c0a.a22d.0325SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaajZYG6-1APjj6vB5QQaAa8rdCopNgL1QJnNnKkmPtRA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Kayla,

Carly has a point, and as someone who is also applying to a service
learning/short-term study abroad program, here's what I'm planning on
doing to raise money should I get in.  Granted, the cost of this
program is probably less than other, traditional ones since it's only
10 days long, but it's still a chunk of change.

Have you heard of the site GoFundMe?  It's a crowd funding site, and
some of the pages get crazy amounts of money.  You set a goal, and
write up a story on your web site telling donors how the money would
benefit you.  A friend, who has had experience working in marketing
and advertising, told me that if I do this, I should include some sort
of kick-back for the donors like, "Those who donate will receive
YouTube/Blog updates from me while I'm abroad," so they can see how
their contribution paid off for you.
I don't know what you're studying or what hobbies you have, but you
could always capitalize on that.  E.G, I'm studying music therapy and
play the guitar, so I plan on performing at coffee shops, my
grandparent's restaurant, and anywhere I can go.  I'll tell people
what I'm trying to do and pass a hat around.  I did this sort of thing
once before when at 16 I got into a special music program in
Philadelphia for blind students who wanted to study music in college,
and my tuition for that was way out of my league.  I have also played
as a guest performer for two different classmates in high school; one
got into the Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music, and put on a
concert to raise money to start paying his tuition.  The other got
accepted to "Music Embassadors," a summer program which takes gifted
high school musicians around Europe to play and sing concerts.  Every
time I've participated in something like this, the results of support
from bystanders has been surprisingly generous.
If you haven't already, talk to your financial aid office and your
university's international affairs dept.  For us, it's called "Center
for International Programs."  They may have funding you can apply for
to specifically go abroad, and that way you can still apply for
scholarships for grad school.  Although, I tend to agree with Carly in
that it doesn't really matter so much what you spend the scholarship
on; either way you'll have to pay for Grad school which is expensive,
and going abroad which is expensive, so either way, any scholarship
you may get would save you money that you can apply to the second
thing, grad school or abroad.

Hope this helps.

On 10/23/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, Kayla,
>
>          Well, it seems you might considder that
> the makings of a "well-rounded" academic might
> involve experience beyond  tons, and tons of book
> learning. therefore, you might considder devoting
> some of your presumed schollarship ops toward
> study abroad. Aftter all, anyone can amass book
> knowledge while a pursuit of certain study abroad
> or volunteer ops, just might give you that edge
> to counteract your blindness. If it were me,
> then, I would regard studying abroad as a
> profound addition to my skill set, and experience.
> for today, Car
>
> /2014, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi NABS, hope everyone is having a great
>>semester.  I know some of you on the list have
>>had the opportunity to study abroad. Iâ EURO (tm)ve had
>>it on my bucket list for quite a while, but
>>Iâ EURO (tm)ve heard it can be pretty expensive. I was
>>just wondering if you know of any resources or
>>tips that I should consider before assuming that
>>I canâ EURO (tm)t afford it and just throw the idea out?
>>I know that there are of course lots of
>>scholarships, but Iâ EURO (tm)m planning to go to
>>graduate school after earning my BA, and feel
>>like I should save all of the scholarships that
>>I might be eligible for and use them for grad
>>school as opposed to a summer or semester
>>abroad. Iâ EURO (tm)d appreciate any suggestions and
>>advice anyone who has studied abroad can offer.
>>Thanks, Kayla
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 05:53:35 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 00:53:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
Message-ID: <F0BC0530-771B-472F-AD9D-917EDA212BF2@gmail.com>

Fellow students,
Do you love using social media? Writing? Interacting with your peers? The communications committee could be the right place for you, and now you have the chance to find out!
Joined Gabe Cazares  and Rebecca Leon this Sunday (The 26th) for our first committee conference call!
Time: 2:00 PM
Conference line: 605–475– 6700
Code: 786-9673
If you are interested in serving on this committee but cannot make the call on Sunday please email me at
becsjoy93 at gmail.com
We hope to hear from you this Sunday, and would love to hear all your ideas!
Rebecca ~

"The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft falling."
-Hugh Latimer

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 15:05:25 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:05:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
Message-ID: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>

Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to 
serve on this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd 
like I would be happy to proofread each issue before you email to 
everyone.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 15:38:07 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 11:38:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
Message-ID: <544a7294.8269b60a.5638.ffffacc8@mx.google.com>

Dear All,

I'd like to share another update on my independence.  This week I 
walked from my classroom all the way to the theater building to 
meet my dad without any assistance.  Yesterday afternoon I walked 
with my dad to the Student Union and ordered my lunch all on my 
own.


From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Fri Oct 24 18:40:08 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 13:40:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>

Hi,  

2 pm in which timezone?  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?

Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on this
committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be happy to
proofread each issue before you email to everyone.

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From gcazares10 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:06:30 2014
From: gcazares10 at gmail.com (Gabe Cazares)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:06:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
	<003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <CAOy_VPTi8NGmCOkyKaFo+8iUDgq7X7M=b4uh4O9TTWEmvkbsiA@mail.gmail.com>

Lauren and All,
That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including
this in the first message.
Hope you can make it!

...Gabe

On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2 pm in which timezone?
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> committee?
>
> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on this
> committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be happy to
> proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 19:08:21 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:08:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
	<003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8UYKNi2gndTunphASidn9acbozaEF=EChYe_aVybRiOLQ@mail.gmail.com>

I will be unable to be on that conference call during those times. My
local chapter will be involved in a community event preparation during
that time frame.

I am still very interested to help out on this committee, so please
keep me included in all future plans.

Thanks

Jonathan Franks

On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2 pm in which timezone?
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna Bacchus
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> committee?
>
> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on this
> committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be happy to
> proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> et
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-- 
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

National Board Member
NFB Diabetes Action Network
https://nfb.org/diabetics

Co-Chairman
Texas Diabetes Action Network


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 21:40:40 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 14:40:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with
	Braille Notes!
In-Reply-To: <9c9af8f32cc84bffb1af35ab7dbb26ca@BN1PR06MB120.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <9c9af8f32cc84bffb1af35ab7dbb26ca@BN1PR06MB120.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBB5+XpW7OyaPEHAM71fGzi7+FFeZBZ3uiGWSn4OrXR6w@mail.gmail.com>

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Allison Hilliker via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:56:20 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with Braille Notes!
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,	(for parents of blind children)
(blindkid at nfbnet.org)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>


Hello Everyone,

The updated Bookshare website is set to launch next week. While there
are many improvements that will help our members, we are aware of
potential bugs with select partner technologies.

The BrailleNote will not be able to download books directly from
Bookshare. We recommend that you download books from Bookshare prior
to our planned website downtime on Monday, October 27 at 5PM Pacific
Time. Afterwards, you can continue to read Bookshare books by
downloading from a separate device like a computer and transfer them
to your BrailleNote.

HumanWare has been notified about this issue, and we are working with
them to find a solution to use our updated website. Thank you for your
patience.

Best,
Allison Hilliker
Bookshare Operations Associate

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blindkid at nfbnet.org
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Fri Oct 24 21:51:00 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:51:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users
	with	Braille Notes!
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBB5+XpW7OyaPEHAM71fGzi7+FFeZBZ3uiGWSn4OrXR6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c9af8f32cc84bffb1af35ab7dbb26ca@BN1PR06MB120.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CALAYQJBB5+XpW7OyaPEHAM71fGzi7+FFeZBZ3uiGWSn4OrXR6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000101cfefd4$99e04230$cda0c690$@mediacombb.net>

Thanks for the heads up.  I was thinking of joining bookshare; and, this
info is good to know ahead of time.  

It would seem to me that they would have fixed this problem before launching
the upgrade.  But, what do I know?  Anyway, thanks.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:41 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with
Braille Notes!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Allison Hilliker via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:56:20 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with Braille Notes!
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,	(for parents of blind children)
(blindkid at nfbnet.org)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>


Hello Everyone,

The updated Bookshare website is set to launch next week. While there are
many improvements that will help our members, we are aware of potential bugs
with select partner technologies.

The BrailleNote will not be able to download books directly from Bookshare.
We recommend that you download books from Bookshare prior to our planned
website downtime on Monday, October 27 at 5PM Pacific Time. Afterwards, you
can continue to read Bookshare books by downloading from a separate device
like a computer and transfer them to your BrailleNote.

HumanWare has been notified about this issue, and we are working with them
to find a solution to use our updated website. Thank you for your patience.

Best,
Allison Hilliker
Bookshare Operations Associate

_______________________________________________
blindkid mailing list
blindkid at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
blindkid:
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Fri Oct 24 21:57:29 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:57:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <CAOy_VPTi8NGmCOkyKaFo+8iUDgq7X7M=b4uh4O9TTWEmvkbsiA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>	<003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
	<CAOy_VPTi8NGmCOkyKaFo+8iUDgq7X7M=b4uh4O9TTWEmvkbsiA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201cfefd5$81987ac0$84c97040$@mediacombb.net>

Thanks.  No problem.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?

Lauren and All,
That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including this
in the first message.
Hope you can make it!

...Gabe

On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> 2 pm in which timezone?
>
> Loren
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna 
> Bacchus via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications 
> committee?
>
> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on 
> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be 
> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
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>



From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 22:03:58 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:03:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users
	with Braille Notes!
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBB5+XpW7OyaPEHAM71fGzi7+FFeZBZ3uiGWSn4OrXR6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9c9af8f32cc84bffb1af35ab7dbb26ca@BN1PR06MB120.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
	<CALAYQJBB5+XpW7OyaPEHAM71fGzi7+FFeZBZ3uiGWSn4OrXR6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3CF747C1-F395-414B-ADB6-4A20C010046B@gmail.com>

Interesting. I have pretty much given up on the BrailleNote's Web browser, but downloading Bookshare books is one of the few things I still do with it on occasion. Gives me another excuse to use the good old PC, which I like anyway. Thanks for sharing this info.

Chris

> On Oct 24, 2014, at 5:40 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
> From: Allison Hilliker via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:56:20 +0000
> Subject: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with Braille Notes!
> To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,    (for parents of blind children)
> (blindkid at nfbnet.org)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org>
> 
> 
> Hello Everyone,
> 
> The updated Bookshare website is set to launch next week. While there
> are many improvements that will help our members, we are aware of
> potential bugs with select partner technologies.
> 
> The BrailleNote will not be able to download books directly from
> Bookshare. We recommend that you download books from Bookshare prior
> to our planned website downtime on Monday, October 27 at 5PM Pacific
> Time. Afterwards, you can continue to read Bookshare books by
> downloading from a separate device like a computer and transfer them
> to your BrailleNote.
> 
> HumanWare has been notified about this issue, and we are working with
> them to find a solution to use our updated website. Thank you for your
> patience.
> 
> Best,
> Allison Hilliker
> Bookshare Operations Associate
> 
> _______________________________________________
> blindkid mailing list
> blindkid at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blindkid_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for blindkid:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/blindkid_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
> 
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 22:52:15 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 17:52:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <000201cfefd5$81987ac0$84c97040$@mediacombb.net>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
	<003601cfefb9$f0318880$d0949980$@mediacombb.net>
	<CAOy_VPTi8NGmCOkyKaFo+8iUDgq7X7M=b4uh4O9TTWEmvkbsiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201cfefd5$81987ac0$84c97040$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <85EF8BDB-B220-41D3-8251-5340EC7620D2@gmail.com>

All,
For those that cannot make the call, we will send out an email afterwards to any who expressed interest detailing the call and future ways in which the communications committee will ask for your help!
Thanks,
Rebecca –


"The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft falling."
-Hugh Latimer

> On 24/10/2014, at 16:57, "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks.  No problem.  
> 
> Loren 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
> To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
> 
> Lauren and All,
> That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including this
> in the first message.
> Hope you can make it!
> 
> ...Gabe
> 
>> On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> 
>> 2 pm in which timezone?
>> 
>> Loren
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna 
>> Bacchus via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
>> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications 
>> committee?
>> 
>> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on 
>> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be 
>> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>> ombb.n
>> et
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> .com
> 


From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 23:01:11 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:01:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions concerning study abroad
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaajZYG6-1APjj6vB5QQaAa8rdCopNgL1QJnNnKkmPtRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82RFq4NE4Ej0FE=tHxSdALdyVvAD2TX4A05OnUVJieXuaw@mail.gmail.com>
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Kayla,
I would definitely talk to your financial office as Katie has suggested and also to those people running the study abroad programs. I know that my school has scholarships that they specifically give to students for studying abroad. There is of course a selection process, but it's always worth applying for something like that. You could also see, depending on if you have study tuition scholarships, whether they would use that for part of financing a study abroad program. This option also depends on what time of the year you might want to go. For example, I studied abroad during the fall, and so my tuition scholarships covered a lot of the major expenses of the program because my scholarships are specifically for helping with fall and spring tuition.
Again, this is different for each person, so it's worth talking to the people who run the study abroad program at your school and the financial aid office.
Good luck!
Rebecca ~


"The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft falling."
-Hugh Latimer

> On 23/10/2014, at 22:12, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Kayla,
> 
> Carly has a point, and as someone who is also applying to a service
> learning/short-term study abroad program, here's what I'm planning on
> doing to raise money should I get in.  Granted, the cost of this
> program is probably less than other, traditional ones since it's only
> 10 days long, but it's still a chunk of change.
> 
> Have you heard of the site GoFundMe?  It's a crowd funding site, and
> some of the pages get crazy amounts of money.  You set a goal, and
> write up a story on your web site telling donors how the money would
> benefit you.  A friend, who has had experience working in marketing
> and advertising, told me that if I do this, I should include some sort
> of kick-back for the donors like, "Those who donate will receive
> YouTube/Blog updates from me while I'm abroad," so they can see how
> their contribution paid off for you.
> I don't know what you're studying or what hobbies you have, but you
> could always capitalize on that.  E.G, I'm studying music therapy and
> play the guitar, so I plan on performing at coffee shops, my
> grandparent's restaurant, and anywhere I can go.  I'll tell people
> what I'm trying to do and pass a hat around.  I did this sort of thing
> once before when at 16 I got into a special music program in
> Philadelphia for blind students who wanted to study music in college,
> and my tuition for that was way out of my league.  I have also played
> as a guest performer for two different classmates in high school; one
> got into the Cincinnati College-Conservatory of Music, and put on a
> concert to raise money to start paying his tuition.  The other got
> accepted to "Music Embassadors," a summer program which takes gifted
> high school musicians around Europe to play and sing concerts.  Every
> time I've participated in something like this, the results of support
> from bystanders has been surprisingly generous.
> If you haven't already, talk to your financial aid office and your
> university's international affairs dept.  For us, it's called "Center
> for International Programs."  They may have funding you can apply for
> to specifically go abroad, and that way you can still apply for
> scholarships for grad school.  Although, I tend to agree with Carly in
> that it doesn't really matter so much what you spend the scholarship
> on; either way you'll have to pay for Grad school which is expensive,
> and going abroad which is expensive, so either way, any scholarship
> you may get would save you money that you can apply to the second
> thing, grad school or abroad.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
>> On 10/23/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good morning, Kayla,
>> 
>>         Well, it seems you might considder that
>> the makings of a "well-rounded" academic might
>> involve experience beyond  tons, and tons of book
>> learning. therefore, you might considder devoting
>> some of your presumed schollarship ops toward
>> study abroad. Aftter all, anyone can amass book
>> knowledge while a pursuit of certain study abroad
>> or volunteer ops, just might give you that edge
>> to counteract your blindness. If it were me,
>> then, I would regard studying abroad as a
>> profound addition to my skill set, and experience.
>> for today, Car
>> 
>> /2014, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hi NABS, hope everyone is having a great
>>> semester.  I know some of you on the list have
>>> had the opportunity to study abroad. Iâ EURO (tm)ve had
>>> it on my bucket list for quite a while, but
>>> Iâ EURO (tm)ve heard it can be pretty expensive. I was
>>> just wondering if you know of any resources or
>>> tips that I should consider before assuming that
>>> I canâ EURO (tm)t afford it and just throw the idea out?
>>> I know that there are of course lots of
>>> scholarships, but Iâ EURO (tm)m planning to go to
>>> graduate school after earning my BA, and feel
>>> like I should save all of the scholarships that
>>> I might be eligible for and use them for grad
>>> school as opposed to a summer or semester
>>> abroad. Iâ EURO (tm)d appreciate any suggestions and
>>> advice anyone who has studied abroad can offer.
>>> Thanks, Kayla
>>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
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> 
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From becsjoynfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 24 23:02:47 2014
From: becsjoynfb at gmail.com (Rebecca Leon)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:02:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Update on my independence
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Great job! You have so got this!
Rebecca ~


"The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft falling."
-Hugh Latimer

> On 24/10/2014, at 10:38, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear All,
> 
> I'd like to share another update on my independence.  This week I walked from my classroom all the way to the theater building to meet my dad without any assistance.  Yesterday afternoon I walked with my dad to the Student Union and ordered my lunch all on my own.
> 
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From lucysirianni at earthlink.net  Sat Oct 25 01:01:10 2014
From: lucysirianni at earthlink.net (Lucy Sirianni)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 18:01:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare
	Userswith	Braille Notes!
Message-ID: <E1Xhpk8-0003y4-4N@elasmtp-galgo.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

Can anyone explain to me why this update is necessary? Have I 
somehow missed a problem with the current site that is serious 
enough to justify rendering the site unusable for so many who 
have relied on its services up until now? I understand that new 
features may be desirable, and I understand that the 
BrailleNote's web-browser is outdated and thus difficult to make 
compatible with updates to websites such as Bookshare, but I am 
genuinely curious what is going to be offered that will outweigh 
the benefits of making Bookshare accessible to everyone, as it is 
now.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 16:51:00 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for 
Bookshare Userswith	Braille Notes!

Thanks for the heads up.  I was thinking of joining bookshare; 
and, this
info is good to know ahead of time.

It would seem to me that they would have fixed this problem 
before launching
the upgrade.  But, what do I know?  Anyway, thanks.

Loren



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 4:41 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare 
Users with
Braille Notes!

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Allison Hilliker via blindkid <blindkid at nfbnet.org
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 20:56:20 +0000
Subject: [blindkid] Important Info for Bookshare Users with 
Braille Notes!
To: "Blind Kid Mailing List,	(for parents of blind children)
(blindkid at nfbnet.org)" <blindkid at nfbnet.org


Hello Everyone,

The updated Bookshare website is set to launch next week.  While 
there are
many improvements that will help our members, we are aware of 
potential bugs
with select partner technologies.

The BrailleNote will not be able to download books directly from 
Bookshare.
We recommend that you download books from Bookshare prior to our 
planned
website downtime on Monday, October 27 at 5PM Pacific Time.  
Afterwards, you
can continue to read Bookshare books by downloading from a 
separate device
like a computer and transfer them to your BrailleNote.

HumanWare has been notified about this issue, and we are working 
with them
to find a solution to use our updated website.  Thank you for 
your patience.

Best,
Allison Hilliker
Bookshare Operations Associate

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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 01:08:40 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 21:08:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
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Hello Rebecca,


I am writing to let you know that I have an interest in being a part of the
call. Perhaps you dont know me. You can find me on various social media: I
am from the NFB of NJ and NJABS new Jersey and I look forward to the call
on Sunday. Talk to you then.

http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.hulme1
Twitter: @JimHulmeLookout
Linkedin: my resume is on there
about.me/jimmy.hulme1

James Hulme
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com


On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Rebecca Leon via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> All,
> For those that cannot make the call, we will send out an email afterwards
> to any who expressed interest detailing the call and future ways in which
> the communications committee will ask for your help!
> Thanks,
> Rebecca –
>
>
> "The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft
> falling."
> -Hugh Latimer
>
> > On 24/10/2014, at 16:57, "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks.  No problem.
> >
> > Loren
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com]
> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
> > To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> > Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> committee?
> >
> > Lauren and All,
> > That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including
> this
> > in the first message.
> > Hope you can make it!
> >
> > ...Gabe
> >
> >> On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> 2 pm in which timezone?
> >>
> >> Loren
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
> >> Bacchus via nabs-l
> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
> >> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> >> committee?
> >>
> >> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on
> >> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be
> >> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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> >> nabs-l:
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> >> ombb.n
> >> et
> >>
> >>
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> >> .com
> >
>
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From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Sat Oct 25 02:12:13 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
Date: Fri, 24 Oct 2014 22:12:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
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Hi,
I will plan on attending this conference call as I am on the
communications committee for Michigan, and I want to get mmore
fimillure with what to expect.

thanks

On 10/24/14, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Rebecca,
>
>
> I am writing to let you know that I have an interest in being a part of the
> call. Perhaps you dont know me. You can find me on various social media: I
> am from the NFB of NJ and NJABS new Jersey and I look forward to the call
> on Sunday. Talk to you then.
>
> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.hulme1
> Twitter: @JimHulmeLookout
> Linkedin: my resume is on there
> about.me/jimmy.hulme1
>
> James Hulme
> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Rebecca Leon via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> All,
>> For those that cannot make the call, we will send out an email afterwards
>> to any who expressed interest detailing the call and future ways in which
>> the communications committee will ask for your help!
>> Thanks,
>> Rebecca -
>>
>>
>> "The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft
>> falling."
>> -Hugh Latimer
>>
>> > On 24/10/2014, at 16:57, "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Thanks.  No problem.
>> >
>> > Loren
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
>> > To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> > Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
>> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
>> committee?
>> >
>> > Lauren and All,
>> > That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including
>> this
>> > in the first message.
>> > Hope you can make it!
>> >
>> > ...Gabe
>> >
>> >> On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi,
>> >>
>> >> 2 pm in which timezone?
>> >>
>> >> Loren
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
>> >> Bacchus via nabs-l
>> >> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
>> >> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> >> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
>> >> committee?
>> >>
>> >> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on
>> >> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be
>> >> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>> >>
>> >> _______________________________________________
>> >> nabs-l mailing list
>> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> >> nabs-l:
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>> >> ombb.n
>> >> et
>> >>
>> >>
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>> >> .com
>> >
>>
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From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 18:28:27 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:28:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <CALh+v0b-X8yzb-FV2LLgEeQtTv0sSpCL6MJkVo6bjVdv2zJzdA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
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	<000201cfefd5$81987ac0$84c97040$@mediacombb.net>
	<85EF8BDB-B220-41D3-8251-5340EC7620D2@gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e4BmC1_xOs21xPEnnDAZ7_8f60_5AiWq=7f53JjuLO=5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALh+v0b-X8yzb-FV2LLgEeQtTv0sSpCL6MJkVo6bjVdv2zJzdA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2915E514-A567-4492-9620-0A6AC195D259@gmail.com>

My name is shikha Desai  and i am intrested in helping out but i was not able to attend the confrence call. 

Shikha. 

> On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Jeff Crouch k8tvv via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I will plan on attending this conference call as I am on the
> communications committee for Michigan, and I want to get mmore
> fimillure with what to expect.
> 
> thanks
> 
>> On 10/24/14, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello Rebecca,
>> 
>> 
>> I am writing to let you know that I have an interest in being a part of the
>> call. Perhaps you dont know me. You can find me on various social media: I
>> am from the NFB of NJ and NJABS new Jersey and I look forward to the call
>> on Sunday. Talk to you then.
>> 
>> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.hulme1
>> Twitter: @JimHulmeLookout
>> Linkedin: my resume is on there
>> about.me/jimmy.hulme1
>> 
>> James Hulme
>> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
>> jim.hulme at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Rebecca Leon via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> All,
>>> For those that cannot make the call, we will send out an email afterwards
>>> to any who expressed interest detailing the call and future ways in which
>>> the communications committee will ask for your help!
>>> Thanks,
>>> Rebecca -
>>> 
>>> 
>>> "The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by oft
>>> falling."
>>> -Hugh Latimer
>>> 
>>>>> On 24/10/2014, at 16:57, "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks.  No problem.
>>>> 
>>>> Loren
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
>>>> To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
>>> committee?
>>>> 
>>>> Lauren and All,
>>>> That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including
>>> this
>>>> in the first message.
>>>> Hope you can make it!
>>>> 
>>>> ...Gabe
>>>> 
>>>>> On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 2 pm in which timezone?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Loren
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
>>>>> Bacchus via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
>>>>> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
>>>>> committee?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve on
>>>>> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would be
>>>>> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediac
>>>>> ombb.n
>>>>> et
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gcazares10%40gmail
>>>>> .com
>>> 
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com
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> 
> 
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> K8TVV
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Sun Oct 26 18:36:23 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:36:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications committee?
In-Reply-To: <2915E514-A567-4492-9620-0A6AC195D259@gmail.com>
References: <544a6ae9.0fe3ca0a.21cb.ffffac44@mx.google.com>
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	<CAOy_VPTi8NGmCOkyKaFo+8iUDgq7X7M=b4uh4O9TTWEmvkbsiA@mail.gmail.com>
	<000201cfefd5$81987ac0$84c97040$@mediacombb.net>
	<85EF8BDB-B220-41D3-8251-5340EC7620D2@gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e4BmC1_xOs21xPEnnDAZ7_8f60_5AiWq=7f53JjuLO=5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALh+v0b-X8yzb-FV2LLgEeQtTv0sSpCL6MJkVo6bjVdv2zJzdA@mail.gmail.com>
	<2915E514-A567-4492-9620-0A6AC195D259@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4BDmPLmL=nbrLD3V7Yhp=DA10KwueJy2q1COAhTbL8jA@mail.gmail.com>

There is only music playing??? are you talking or what??

On Sun, Oct 26, 2014 at 2:28 PM, Shikha <desai1shikha at gmail.com> wrote:

> My name is shikha Desai  and i am intrested in helping out but i was not
> able to attend the confrence call.
>
> Shikha.
>
> > On Oct 24, 2014, at 10:12 PM, Jeff Crouch k8tvv via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I will plan on attending this conference call as I am on the
> > communications committee for Michigan, and I want to get mmore
> > fimillure with what to expect.
> >
> > thanks
> >
> >> On 10/24/14, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hello Rebecca,
> >>
> >>
> >> I am writing to let you know that I have an interest in being a part of
> the
> >> call. Perhaps you dont know me. You can find me on various social
> media: I
> >> am from the NFB of NJ and NJABS new Jersey and I look forward to the
> call
> >> on Sunday. Talk to you then.
> >>
> >> http://www.facebook.com/jimmy.hulme1
> >> Twitter: @JimHulmeLookout
> >> Linkedin: my resume is on there
> >> about.me/jimmy.hulme1
> >>
> >> James Hulme
> >> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
> >> jim.hulme at gmail.com
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 24, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Rebecca Leon via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> All,
> >>> For those that cannot make the call, we will send out an email
> afterwards
> >>> to any who expressed interest detailing the call and future ways in
> which
> >>> the communications committee will ask for your help!
> >>> Thanks,
> >>> Rebecca -
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> "The drop of rain maketh a hole in the stone, not by violence, but by
> oft
> >>> falling."
> >>> -Hugh Latimer
> >>>
> >>>>> On 24/10/2014, at 16:57, "Loren Wakefield" <theweird1 at mediacombb.net
> >
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks.  No problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> Loren
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: Gabe Cazares [mailto:gcazares10 at gmail.com]
> >>>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 2:07 PM
> >>>> To: Loren Wakefield; National Association of Blind Students mailing
> list
> >>>> Cc: Roanna Bacchus; Rebecca Leon
> >>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> >>> committee?
> >>>>
> >>>> Lauren and All,
> >>>> That's 2:00 PM Central Standard Time. We apologize for note including
> >>> this
> >>>> in the first message.
> >>>> Hope you can make it!
> >>>>
> >>>> ...Gabe
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 10/24/14, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>> Hi,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> 2 pm in which timezone?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Loren
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roanna
> >>>>> Bacchus via nabs-l
> >>>>> Sent: Friday, October 24, 2014 10:05 AM
> >>>>> To: Rebecca Leon; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> >>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Interested in helping on the communications
> >>>>> committee?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Hi Rebecca I cannot make the call this Sunday but I'd like to serve
> on
> >>>>> this committee and help with the nabs Notes.  If you'd like I would
> be
> >>>>> happy to proofread each issue before you email to everyone.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>>>> nabs-l:
> >>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/theweird1%40mediac
> >>>>> ombb.n
> >>>>> et
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>>>> nabs-l:
> >>>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gcazares10%40gmail
> >>>>> .com
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >>> nabs-l:
> >>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kd8qiq%40gmail.com
> >
> >
> > --
> > Skype: magic2127
> > FB: apdc19 at gmail.com
> > http://www.twitter.com/k8tvv
> > 73
> > K8TVV
> > Jeff Crouch
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> >
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>

From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Sun Oct 26 22:48:24 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 16:48:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] A Great Opportunity to Help a Great Organization
Message-ID: <047b01cff16f$0f834a00$2e89de00$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency, not this year.  This year, we are giving away $3500 cash to
the lucky winner.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawing will take place on November 1st and you do
not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle to purchase tickets online or call 303
778-1130, Ext. 223 where Jessica will be happy to take orders over the
phone.  Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 31st.

 

I thank you for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs such as
our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a talking
newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.S.  If you are in the Denver area, we are having a wonderful event on
October 30th called Twist and Shout where we will hear from Art Schreiber
who is now blind and was one of two reporters to travel with the Beatles
fifty years ago on their maiden tour of North America.  Go to
www.nfbco.org/beatlemania to find out more.

 

Pp.'s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by
sending a reply email.

 

Pp.'s. we are having a fun little contest among our members to see who can
sell the most raffle tickets.  Please put my name in the box indicated on
the form.

 

Thanks again!

 

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Sun Oct 26 23:31:30 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:31:30 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a Great Opportunity to Help a Great Organization
Message-ID: <069901cff175$171dcb90$455962b0$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency, not this year.  This year, we are giving away $3500 cash to
the lucky winner.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawing will take place on November 1st and you do
not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle to purchase tickets online or call 303
778-1130, Ext. 223 where Jessica will be happy to take orders over the
phone.  Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 31st.

 

I thank you for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs such as
our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a talking
newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.S.  If you are in the Denver area, we are having a wonderful event on
October 30th called Twist and Shout where we will hear from Art Schreiber
who is now blind and was one of two reporters to travel with the Beatles
fifty years ago on their maiden tour of North America.  Go to
www.nfbco.org/beatlemania to find out more.

 

Pp.'s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by
sending a reply email.

 

Pp.'s. we are having a fun little contest among our members to see who can
sell the most raffle tickets.  Please put my name in the box indicated on
the form.

 

Thanks again!

 

 


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 00:51:42 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 26 Oct 2014 17:51:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] books I'm giving away
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPufL02E=c==FCT7u42qS_zntjoAO=LohgYcOwVc-Dwm_A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all:
So, there's a ton of books I no longer read and wish to give away to
someone who will use them.
I have a handful of Catholic books, but please email me off list about
those if you're interested since I don't want to get in trouble with
the admins for posting faith related stuff on here.
But the one non-faith based or related book is
Ghanghis Khan and the Making of the Modern World
by Jack Weatherford.
Its a 6 volume series detailing the history of the Monghel empire.
Its 6 volumes plus one supliment.
And its totally free for anyone who wants it.
Please email me off list if interested.


-- 
yours in Christ,



Jorge A. Paez

LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994


From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Mon Oct 27 18:57:21 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 14:57:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] email change
Message-ID: <CALh+v0av0OVg2_bfAM7U0HznLaaiaDn_DqJppjMK3wia1kVY0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi fokes,
I just wanted to send a friendly email to you all to say that my email
has changed.
I am now using
k8tvv2 at gmail.com
so if you need to contact me, that is the address to do it at.

thanks

-- 
Skype: magic2127
FB: apdc19 at gmail.com
http://www.twitter.com/k8tvv
73
K8TVV
Jeff Crouch


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 02:06:23 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 2014 21:06:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] braillenote/bookshare issue resolved
Message-ID: <544efa43.43c3440a.170c.0806@mx.google.com>

Hello NABS friends,

I'm on the HumanWare braillenote newswire and I recently received 
an email saying the Bookshare issue is resolved. The site will 
become accessible if Bookshare users disable scripting on their 
braillenotes. To do this, go to your home page and get to the 
Internet Options Menu by pressing backspace with J (BT) or 
Control with 2 (QT.) One of the options is "review scripting 
settings." You can disable scripting from there, and it should 
work.


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Tue Oct 28 21:22:19 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:22:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
Message-ID: <9B7A76D6-E8EA-4F31-B498-9125AAE7E8E9@gmail.com>

Hey 
My name is Shikha and i will be taking chemistry 1 in college for spring semester.  I have never taken Chemistry as a blind student because when i took it in high school i still had sight.  How do you do the labs in the class safely and how do i get a copy of the periodic table?  Is there a braille periodic table or a copy that works with JAWS?
Can blind students be successful in a vissual chemistry class?
 
  

Shikha. 

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 00:12:48 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 20:12:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
In-Reply-To: <9B7A76D6-E8EA-4F31-B498-9125AAE7E8E9@gmail.com>
References: <9B7A76D6-E8EA-4F31-B498-9125AAE7E8E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4EB2113F-0912-423C-BC3B-1C4E03D2B771@gmail.com>

The answer to one of your questions is quite simple: yes. A blind student can succeed at chemistry. There are many who have taken it and succeeded. There is a braille periodic table available from the American printing House for the blind.many of the labs can be completed safely using alternative techniques. It may just depend on the lab course that you were taking. You can even light a Bunsen burner safely.I would suggest speaking with someone at Independence science. They can really help you with this. Their website is
Www.isci.biz 

Aleeha Dudley and seeing eye dog Dallas 
Vice President, Ohio Association of blind students
Blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
"The wind of Heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears." Arabian proverb 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 28, 2014, at 5:22 PM, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey 
> My name is Shikha and i will be taking chemistry 1 in college for spring semester.  I have never taken Chemistry as a blind student because when i took it in high school i still had sight.  How do you do the labs in the class safely and how do i get a copy of the periodic table?  Is there a braille periodic table or a copy that works with JAWS?
> Can blind students be successful in a vissual chemistry class?
> 
> 
> 
> Shikha. 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 00:14:08 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2014 17:14:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
In-Reply-To: <9B7A76D6-E8EA-4F31-B498-9125AAE7E8E9@gmail.com>
References: <9B7A76D6-E8EA-4F31-B498-9125AAE7E8E9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJA7kHkHW0K5h76n_k-aLbPYo_saz5OY85N3DOfLrhRyyQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Shikha,
www.blindscience.org should have some good resources. I am totally
blind and I took chemistry with some assistance from lab partners and
a reader. Most labs are done in pairs so you can collaborate with your
partner to get the information you need.
I know there are periodic tables available in Braille and online,
though I don't know where the best place is to get them.
Arielle

On 10/28/14, Shikha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey
> My name is Shikha and i will be taking chemistry 1 in college for spring
> semester.  I have never taken Chemistry as a blind student because when i
> took it in high school i still had sight.  How do you do the labs in the
> class safely and how do i get a copy of the periodic table?  Is there a
> braille periodic table or a copy that works with JAWS?
> Can blind students be successful in a vissual chemistry class?
>
>
>
> Shikha.
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/arielle71%40gmail.com
>


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 05:45:57 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 01:45:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
Message-ID: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>

Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!! 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 10:58:06 2014
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 06:58:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>
References: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <317AF9E81A3944AC88B53F4A4FECC16C@JenniferPC>

Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that 
reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that 
allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you 
finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot 
box.

-----Original Message----- 
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote 
when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or 
blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second 
time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone 
read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by 
email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know 
that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of 
Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your 
opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct 29 11:24:48 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <317AF9E81A3944AC88B53F4A4FECC16C@JenniferPC>
References: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>
	<317AF9E81A3944AC88B53F4A4FECC16C@JenniferPC>
Message-ID: <86EEA684-2A8C-4987-819E-C0B26B0C0AEA@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got a great governor's race on your hands. 

I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your local chapter. 

While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most states still require us to have a non secret ballot. 

In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us. 

Best
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot box.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
> 
> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Oct 29 12:07:34 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:07:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>
References: <FB5D5DB8-FB0A-432A-86FA-656FD385948C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.176.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Helga,

         Each time there is an eolection, my blind boyfriend and I go 
to the local court house and get the balot read and filled out by a 
human being. We're people centric like that, you see.
That's what I would do.
for today, CarAt 10:45 PM 10/28/2014, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you 
>guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do 
>visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering 
>since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted 
>before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you 
>guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, 
>of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next 
>week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of 
>Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing 
>your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much 
>and God bless!!
>
>Helga Schreiber
>
>Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association 
>of Blind Students.
>Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>Skype: helga.schreiber26
>4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
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>whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:19:38 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:19:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
Message-ID: <5450db8b.a1aa320a.41bd.ffff88db@mx.google.com>

Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) 
all states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for 
the blind.  Most states either have an Automark, which is a 
machine that lets you select your choices and then prints the 
ballot for you, or use electronic voting machines for everyone, 
which allow you to plug in headphones like an ATM machine and 
select your candidates like everyone else.  I would suggest 
contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote where 
you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to 
vote, because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations 
are all set up at your poling place (sometimes if they don't 
think anyone is actually going to use them, they get lazy and 
don't set up the accessible machines).  The NFB also has a 
hotline to call if you have any trouble voting.  Not sure what it 
is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. 
You've got a great governor's race on your hands.

I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to 
figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from 
someone else in your local chapter.

While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) 
most states still require us to have a non secret ballot.

In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to 
us.

Best
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with 
speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's 
directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and 
answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print 
it out and then just put it in the ballot box.

 -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
 Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you 
guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do 
visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering 
since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted 
before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you 
guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; 
instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I 
know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for 
our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look 
forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this 
matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!

 Helga Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:31:15 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 08:31:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing flash content on my IPad
Message-ID: <5450de50.a35d8c0a.bfcb.1530@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

Last Christmas I received an IPad mini from my parents.  I have 
enjoyed using it for the last few months.  In September when I 
updated to Ios eight I discovered that I can no longer play the 
archived sermons from a local church.  Is there an app that I can 
install that will let me play flash content on the IPad? Hope to 
hear from you soon.


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 12:57:14 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 05:57:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing flash content on my IPad
In-Reply-To: <5450de50.a35d8c0a.bfcb.1530@mx.google.com>
References: <5450de50.a35d8c0a.bfcb.1530@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPs2bbE9H7VhhuLYBjxt87nt7hhJmjnHfriXFBCqZjJDUA@mail.gmail.com>

nope.
Apple is determined  it will not support flash content.


On 10/29/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Members,
>
> Last Christmas I received an IPad mini from my parents.  I have
> enjoyed using it for the last few months.  In September when I
> updated to Ios eight I discovered that I can no longer play the
> archived sermons from a local church.  Is there an app that I can
> install that will let me play flash content on the IPad? Hope to
> hear from you soon.
>
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-- 
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LinkedIn: http://www.linkedin.com/in/jorgeapaez11994


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 13:10:10 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 09:10:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Chemistry help
Message-ID: <5450e76f.a7168c0a.57f6.1b17@mx.google.com>

Hi Shikah hope you are doing well.  You should be able to get a 
chemistry class that does not have a lab in it.  When I took 
kemistry in high school all of my materials were in braille.  
There is a braille copy of the Periodic table but I do not know 
where to get it.


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 16:52:37 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 12:52:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Periodic table
Message-ID: <BE2F5563-4547-4A76-AE65-1474DA82D91A@gmail.com>

Hey 
Does any one have a periodic table that they are not using?
I need a braille periodic table for my chemistry class for next semester. 

Shikha. 


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Oct 29 20:58:49 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 16:58:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Playing flash content on my IPad
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPs2bbE9H7VhhuLYBjxt87nt7hhJmjnHfriXFBCqZjJDUA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5450de50.a35d8c0a.bfcb.1530@mx.google.com>
	<CAA+vbPs2bbE9H7VhhuLYBjxt87nt7hhJmjnHfriXFBCqZjJDUA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BADF592-1846-46FF-97EC-F168FC33418A@icloud.com>

how about on the mac?

Sent from my iPad

> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:57 AM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> nope.
> Apple is determined  it will not support flash content.
> 
> 
>> On 10/29/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Members,
>> 
>> Last Christmas I received an IPad mini from my parents.  I have
>> enjoyed using it for the last few months.  In September when I
>> updated to Ios eight I discovered that I can no longer play the
>> archived sermons from a local church.  Is there an app that I can
>> install that will let me play flash content on the IPad? Hope to
>> hear from you soon.
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> -- 
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> 
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Oct 29 21:21:36 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:21:36 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Chance to Help a Great Organization
Message-ID: <00a301cff3be$783d1ac0$68b75040$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

This will be the last email blast about our Amazing Colorado Raffle because
time is running out.  Tomorrow, in fact, is the last time you can buy
tickets online.  Thanks so much to all who have already entered!  Here is my
message one last time:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency, not this year.  This year, we are giving away $3500 cash to
the lucky winner.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawing will take place on November 1st and you do
not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle to purchase tickets online or call 303
778-1130, Ext. 223 where Jessica will be happy to take orders over the
phone.  Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 30th at noon Mountain
time.

 

I thank you again for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs
such as our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a
talking newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.S.  If you are in the Denver area, we are having a wonderful event on
October 30th called Twist and Shout where we will hear from Art Schreiber
who is now blind and was one of two reporters to travel with the Beatles
fifty years ago on their maiden tour of North America.  Go to
www.nfbco.org/beatlemania to find out more.

 

Pp.'s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by
sending a reply email.

 

Pp.'s. we are having a fun little contest among our members to see who can
sell the most raffle tickets.  Please put my name in the box indicated on
the form.

 

Thanks again!

 


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Wed Oct 29 21:37:55 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 15:37:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Last Chance to Help a Great Organization
Message-ID: <00be01cff3c0$b8ee7760$2acb6620$@labarrelaw.com>

Dear Friends:

 

This will be the last email blast about our Amazing Colorado Raffle because
time is running out.  Tomorrow, in fact, is the last time you can buy
tickets online.  Thanks so much to all who have already entered!  Here is my
message one last time:

 

It is that time of year again where I ask you to consider a donation to the
National Federation of the Blind of Colorado which may also have great
benefit to you.  First of all, I apologize if this email comes to you more
than once due to the nature of the email lists that I am employing.

 

In the past, we have been raffling away a $3500.00 gift certificate to a
travel agency, not this year.  This year, we are giving away $3500 cash to
the lucky winner.  Tickets are only $10 a piece and $20 for three, multiples
thereof applicable.  The drawing will take place on November 1st and you do
not need to be present to win.  Please go to
www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle to purchase tickets online or call 303
778-1130, Ext. 223 where Jessica will be happy to take orders over the
phone.  Hurry!  Online sales will close on October 30th at noon Mountain
time.

 

I thank you again for your consideration!  Proceeds benefit NFB programs
such as our Braille literacy camp for children, college scholarship fund, a
talking newspaper service for the blind, and empowerment grants for blind
individuals.  

 

Warmly,

Scott C. LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

P.S.  If you are in the Denver area, we are having a wonderful event on
October 30th called Twist and Shout where we will hear from Art Schreiber
who is now blind and was one of two reporters to travel with the Beatles
fifty years ago on their maiden tour of North America.  Go to
www.nfbco.org/beatlemania to find out more.

 

Pp.'s. Please let us know if you wish to be removed from this list by
sending a reply email.

 

Pp.'s. we are having a fun little contest among our members to see who can
sell the most raffle tickets.  Please put my name in the box indicated on
the form.

 

Thanks again!

 


From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Wed Oct 29 22:08:26 2014
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 22:08:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] This Sunday - Superfest 2014 - Everything is Incredible
Message-ID: <2B462D39CA57B147A4C4B61F9FC1959D50CFC9@email.rrlh-sf.local>

Join Superfest for a film extravaganza on November 2, 2014. Be provoked and entertained by eleven short films that portray disability culture in all its diverse and empowering facets.

The entire event starts promptly at 11:00 a.m. and ends at 5:30 p.m. The films are divided into two sessions, each highlighting a unique group of films. You may purchase a ticket for each session or buy an all-day pass. For more details about the event and show times, visit http://superfestfilm.com/superfest-2014.

One of the films being showcased is "Everything is Incredible," which highlights how perseverance, resilience and unwavering glee emanating from one individual can have vastly impactful positive effects on his entire community.  Agustin, the film's central character, reminds us all that everything can truly be incredible if only we dream big enough.

We have already sold an unprecedented number of tickets and anticipate selling out, so do not delay in purchasing your tickets. Our morning session is quickly filling up, and our afternoon session is almost completely full. All-day passes remain available, but not for long.

Tickets may be purchased directly on the Contemporary Jewish Museum's website at: http://www.thecjm.org/programs/film-video-screenings/677-superfest-international-disability-film-festival. We cannot guarantee that tickets will be available the day of the event because of the extreme outpouring of support for this year's festival.

PLEASE NOTE: Sunday is the end of daylight savings time, which means that we must "fall back" one hour. Plan accordingly and set your alarms to be at Superfest on time. You won't want to miss a minute!


From desai1shikha at gmail.com  Wed Oct 29 22:39:44 2014
From: desai1shikha at gmail.com (Shikha)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 18:39:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Devices used for chemistry
Message-ID: <B9C75994-CBBA-4A12-BAE4-5968067793F9@gmail.com>

Hey 
What types of tack tile devices do you guys use or have used for chemistry?
I talked with the disability service today and they are willing of getting a periodic table and any types of tack tile objects.  I will have to give it back after the semester is over!


Shikha. 

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Oct 29 23:39:52 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 19:39:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <5450db8b.a1aa320a.41bd.ffff88db@mx.google.com>
References: <5450db8b.a1aa320a.41bd.ffff88db@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DB7B9A1F-EA12-4504-802F-1E5933325D0E@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's especially problematic if you vote by mail. 

Best
Derek

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.  Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use electronic voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones like an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote where you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote, because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set up at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
> 
> Best,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
> 
> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got a great governor's race on your hands.
> 
> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your local chapter.
> 
> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
> 
> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
> 
> Best
> Derek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot box.
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
> 
> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
> 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 01:21:01 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:21:01 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <DB7B9A1F-EA12-4504-802F-1E5933325D0E@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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	<DB7B9A1F-EA12-4504-802F-1E5933325D0E@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering! 

Helga  Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's especially problematic if you vote by mail. 
> 
> Best
> Derek
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.  Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use electronic voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones like an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote where you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote, because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set up at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>> 
>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got a great governor's race on your hands.
>> 
>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your local chapter.
>> 
>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>> 
>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>> 
>> Best
>> Derek
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the ballot box.
>> 
>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>> 
>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 01:32:05 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:32:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Helga,
no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email usually.
but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll with a 
photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but if 
not, use a poll worker.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!

Helga  Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but 
> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in 
> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's 
> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>
> Best
> Derek
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all 
>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind. 
>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you 
>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use electronic 
>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones like 
>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would 
>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote where 
>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote, 
>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set up 
>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually 
>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible 
>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble 
>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>>
>> Best,
>> Karl
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>
>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got 
>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>
>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out 
>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your 
>> local chapter.
>>
>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most 
>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>
>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>
>> Best
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech 
>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys 
>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After 
>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the 
>> ballot box.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>
>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys 
>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually 
>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is 
>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the 
>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can 
>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me? 
>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election 
>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate. 
>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this 
>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>
>> Helga Schreiber
>>
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
>> Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
>> 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 04:05:42 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 21:05:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <59119B218A054EECA91C5E3A91146A36@OwnerPC>
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	<DB7B9A1F-EA12-4504-802F-1E5933325D0E@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
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If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office if
they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA was
passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.


On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Helga,
> no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email usually.
> but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll with a
> photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but if
> not, use a poll worker.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>
> Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!
>
> Helga  Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
>
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but
>> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in
>> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's
>> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>>
>> Best
>> Derek
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all
>>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.
>>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you
>>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use electronic
>>>
>>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones like
>>>
>>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would
>>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote where
>>>
>>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote,
>>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set up
>>>
>>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually
>>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
>>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble
>>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Karl
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>
>>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've got
>>>
>>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>>
>>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure out
>>>
>>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in your
>>>
>>> local chapter.
>>>
>>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most
>>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>>
>>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech
>>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional keys
>>>
>>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions. After
>>>
>>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the
>>> ballot box.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>
>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys
>>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually
>>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is
>>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
>>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can
>>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to me?
>>>
>>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election
>>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the Senate.
>>>
>>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this
>>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>>
>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>> 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>> %40gmail.com
>>>
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>>> protection is active.
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 05:14:36 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 01:14:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Hi all,

As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
really cool to read about.

Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method since
it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, and
my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm break
or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I will
do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in your
family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, even
if they don't coincide with their own.

However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I finally
have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to do so
this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me with
classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were being
helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for you.
Those sound really cool.

On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office if
> they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA was
> passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.
>
>
> On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Helga,
>> no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email usually.
>> but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll with
>> a
>> photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but if
>> not, use a poll worker.
>>
>> Ashley
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
>> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>
>> Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!
>>
>> Helga  Schreiber
>>
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>> Blind
>>
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>> whoever
>>
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but
>>> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in
>>> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's
>>> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>>>
>>> Best
>>> Derek
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all
>>>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.
>>>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you
>>>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
>>>> electronic
>>>>
>>>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones
>>>> like
>>>>
>>>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would
>>>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote
>>>> where
>>>>
>>>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote,
>>>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set
>>>> up
>>>>
>>>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually
>>>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
>>>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble
>>>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>>>>
>>>> Best,
>>>> Karl
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>
>>>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've
>>>> got
>>>>
>>>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>>>
>>>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure
>>>> out
>>>>
>>>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in
>>>> your
>>>>
>>>> local chapter.
>>>>
>>>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most
>>>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>>>
>>>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Derek
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech
>>>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional
>>>> keys
>>>>
>>>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions.
>>>> After
>>>>
>>>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the
>>>> ballot box.
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>
>>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys
>>>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually
>>>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is
>>>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
>>>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can
>>>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to
>>>> me?
>>>>
>>>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election
>>>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the
>>>> Senate.
>>>>
>>>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this
>>>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>>>
>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>
>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>> Blind Students.
>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>> 3:16
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 07:37:16 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:37:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Hi all! How do I contact my election office in order to ask them regarding if they can provide me the ballot in Braille or other accommodations? I am just wondering! I actually live in Boca Raton Florida. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :-)

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
> really cool to read about.
> 
> Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method since
> it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
> absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, and
> my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm break
> or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I will
> do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in your
> family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, even
> if they don't coincide with their own.
> 
> However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I finally
> have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to do so
> this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me with
> classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
> assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were being
> helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
> machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for you.
> Those sound really cool.
> 
>> On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office if
>> they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA was
>> passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.
>> 
>> 
>>> On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Helga,
>>> no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email usually.
>>> but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll with
>>> a
>>> photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but if
>>> not, use a poll worker.
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
>>> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>> 
>>> Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!
>>> 
>>> Helga  Schreiber
>>> 
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>> 
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>> 
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>> 
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but
>>>> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not in
>>>> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's
>>>> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> Derek
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all
>>>>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.
>>>>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you
>>>>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
>>>>> electronic
>>>>> 
>>>>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones
>>>>> like
>>>>> 
>>>>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would
>>>>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote
>>>>> where
>>>>> 
>>>>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote,
>>>>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set
>>>>> up
>>>>> 
>>>>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually
>>>>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
>>>>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble
>>>>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Karl
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association of
>>>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>> 
>>>>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've
>>>>> got
>>>>> 
>>>>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure
>>>>> out
>>>>> 
>>>>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in
>>>>> your
>>>>> 
>>>>> local chapter.
>>>>> 
>>>>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most
>>>>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Derek
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech
>>>>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional
>>>>> keys
>>>>> 
>>>>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions.
>>>>> After
>>>>> 
>>>>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in the
>>>>> ballot box.
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys
>>>>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually
>>>>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is
>>>>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
>>>>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they can
>>>>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to
>>>>> me?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be election
>>>>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the
>>>>> Senate.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this
>>>>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>> 
>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>> Blind Students.
>>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>> 
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>> 3:16
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 10:22:08 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 06:22:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Hi Helga,

Almost all cities have websites, so search the name of your city 
and then go on the website.  There should be a link to the 
website of the city clerk or maybe the information will be on the 
city website itself.  Or you could just call information and ask 
for the number of your city clerk.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:37:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi all! How do I contact my election office in order to ask them 
regarding if they can provide me the ballot in Braille or other 
accommodations? I am just wondering! I actually live in Boca 
Raton Florida. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God 
bless! :-)

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
 really cool to read about.

 Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method 
since
 it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
 absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, 
and
 my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm 
break
 or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I 
will
 do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in 
your
 family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, 
even
 if they don't coincide with their own.

 However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I 
finally
 have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to 
do so
 this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me 
with
 classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
 assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were 
being
 helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
 machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for 
you.
 Those sound really cool.

 On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office 
if
 they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA 
was
 passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.


 On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Helga,
 no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email 
usually.
 but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the 
poll with
 a
 photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible 
machine, but if
 not, use a poll worker.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
 To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!

 Helga  Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of
 Blind

 Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that
 whoever

 believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
3:16
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org

 wrote:

 Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the 
blind but
 I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state 
is not in
 compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, 
it's
 especially problematic if you vote by mail.

 Best
 Derek

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
 wrote:

 Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act 
(HAVA) all
 states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the 
blind.
 Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that 
lets you
 select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
 electronic

 voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in 
headphones
 like

 an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I 
would
 suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people 
vote
 where

 you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to 
vote,
 because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are 
all set
 up

 at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is 
actually
 going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
 machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any 
trouble
 voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website 
somewhere.

 Best,
 Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of
 Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. 
You've
 got

 a great governor's race on your hands.

 I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to 
figure
 out

 the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else 
in
 your

 local chapter.

 While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) 
most
 states still require us to have a non secret ballot.

 In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to 
us.

 Best
 Derek

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with 
speech
 that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's 
directional
 keys

 that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to 
questions.
 After

 you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it 
in the
 ballot box.

 -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
 Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you 
guys
 vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do 
visually
 impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since 
this is
 actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
 Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think 
they can
 send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading 
it to
 me?

 I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be 
election
 in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and 
the
 Senate.

 I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding 
this
 matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!

 Helga Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 
John
 3:16
 Sent from my iPhone
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Oct 30 13:17:01 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:17:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
In-Reply-To: <54521184.88a26b0a.0d37.ffffce01@mx.google.com>
References: <54521184.88a26b0a.0d37.ffffce01@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <077501cff443$cb3bbdf0$61b339d0$@labarrelaw.com>

test

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 4:22 AM
To: Helga Schreiber; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi Helga,

Almost all cities have websites, so search the name of your city 
and then go on the website.  There should be a link to the 
website of the city clerk or maybe the information will be on the 
city website itself.  Or you could just call information and ask 
for the number of your city clerk.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 03:37:16 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi all! How do I contact my election office in order to ask them 
regarding if they can provide me the ballot in Braille or other 
accommodations? I am just wondering! I actually live in Boca 
Raton Florida. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God 
bless! :-)

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal 
life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
 really cool to read about.

 Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method 
since
 it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
 absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, 
and
 my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm 
break
 or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I 
will
 do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in 
your
 family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, 
even
 if they don't coincide with their own.

 However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I 
finally
 have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to 
do so
 this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me 
with
 classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
 assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were 
being
 helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
 machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for 
you.
 Those sound really cool.

 On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office 
if
 they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA 
was
 passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.


 On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Helga,
 no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email 
usually.
 but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the 
poll with
 a
 photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible 
machine, but if
 not, use a poll worker.

 Ashley

 -----Original Message-----
 From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
 To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!

 Helga  Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of
 Blind

 Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that
 whoever

 believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
3:16
 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org

 wrote:

 Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the 
blind but
 I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state 
is not in
 compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, 
it's
 especially problematic if you vote by mail.

 Best
 Derek

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com
 wrote:

 Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act 
(HAVA) all
 states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the 
blind.
 Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that 
lets you
 select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
 electronic

 voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in 
headphones
 like

 an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I 
would
 suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people 
vote
 where

 you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to 
vote,
 because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are 
all set
 up

 at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is 
actually
 going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
 machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any 
trouble
 voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website 
somewhere.

 Best,
 Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of
 Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. 
You've
 got

 a great governor's race on your hands.

 I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to 
figure
 out

 the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else 
in
 your

 local chapter.

 While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) 
most
 states still require us to have a non secret ballot.

 In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to 
us.

 Best
 Derek

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with 
speech
 that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's 
directional
 keys

 that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to 
questions.
 After

 you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it 
in the
 ballot box.

 -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
 Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

 Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you 
guys
 vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do 
visually
 impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since 
this is
 actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
 Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think 
they can
 send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading 
it to
 me?

 I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be 
election
 in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and 
the
 Senate.

 I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding 
this
 matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!

 Helga Schreiber

 Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota 
chapter.
 Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida 
Association of
 Blind Students.
 Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
 Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
 Phone:  (561) 706-5950
 Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
 Skype: helga.schreiber26
 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
 INT Website: http://int4life.com/

 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, 
that
 whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." 
John
 3:16
 Sent from my iPhone
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From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Thu Oct 30 13:25:54 2014
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 07:25:54 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NFBCO Convention Streaming
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Hey Folks, below you will find streaming for our upcoming convention.  Attached you will find the agenda.  Finally, this is your last chance to purchase raffle tickets online for a chance to win $3500.00.  Please go to www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle and buy, buy, buy.  Online purchases close at noon today Mountain time.  

 

Best,

Scott

 

From: Jessica Beecham [mailto:jbbeecham at gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:15 PM
To: User
Subject: NFBCO Convention Streaming

 

If you will not be able to attend this years NFBCO convention you can listen live!

 

 <http://216.241.41.71:8000/nfbco-convention.mp3> http://216.241.41.71:8000/nfbco-convention.mp3

 

We will begin streaming on Friday, October 31 at 11:00am.

 

Best Wishes

 

Jessica Beecham

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 14:15:58 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:15:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: NFBCO Convention Streaming
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Scott, could you please send a copy of the convention agenda and/or the streaming schedule? Thanks.

Chris

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 9:25 AM, Scott C. LaBarre via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Folks, below you will find streaming for our upcoming convention.  Attached you will find the agenda.  Finally, this is your last chance to purchase raffle tickets online for a chance to win $3500.00.  Please go to www.nfbco.org/amazing-colorado-raffle and buy, buy, buy.  Online purchases close at noon today Mountain time.  
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Scott
> 
> 
> 
> From: Jessica Beecham [mailto:jbbeecham at gmail.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 8:15 PM
> To: User
> Subject: NFBCO Convention Streaming
> 
> 
> 
> If you will not be able to attend this years NFBCO convention you can listen live!
> 
> 
> 
> <http://216.241.41.71:8000/nfbco-convention.mp3> http://216.241.41.71:8000/nfbco-convention.mp3
> 
> 
> 
> We will begin streaming on Friday, October 31 at 11:00am.
> 
> 
> 
> Best Wishes
> 
> 
> 
> Jessica Beecham
> 
> <nfbco convention agenda 2014 FINAL.doc>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Oct 30 15:29:04 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 11:29:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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call them. You're in college, and it sounds like you never voted. we cannot 
give you specific advice as every local area is different.
find out and vote though. but I thought you were from a spanish country. you 
have to be  a citizen to vote.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:37 AM
To: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election

Hi all! How do I contact my election office in order to ask them regarding 
if they can provide me the ballot in Braille or other accommodations? I am 
just wondering! I actually live in Boca Raton Florida. Hope to hear from you 
soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :-)

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
> really cool to read about.
>
> Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method since
> it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
> absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, and
> my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm break
> or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I will
> do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in your
> family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, even
> if they don't coincide with their own.
>
> However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I finally
> have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to do so
> this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me with
> classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
> assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were being
> helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
> machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for you.
> Those sound really cool.
>
>> On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office if
>> they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA was
>> passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.
>>
>>
>>> On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Helga,
>>> no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email usually.
>>> but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll with
>>> a
>>> photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but if
>>> not, use a poll worker.
>>>
>>> Ashley
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
>>> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>
>>> Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!
>>>
>>> Helga  Schreiber
>>>
>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>> Blind
>>>
>>> Students.
>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>
>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>> whoever
>>>
>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but
>>>> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not 
>>>> in
>>>> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's
>>>> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>>>>
>>>> Best
>>>> Derek
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all
>>>>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.
>>>>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you
>>>>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
>>>>> electronic
>>>>>
>>>>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones
>>>>> like
>>>>>
>>>>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I would
>>>>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote
>>>>> where
>>>>>
>>>>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote,
>>>>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all set
>>>>> up
>>>>>
>>>>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is actually
>>>>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
>>>>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any trouble
>>>>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website somewhere.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Karl
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association 
>>>>> of
>>>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>>
>>>>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've
>>>>> got
>>>>>
>>>>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure
>>>>> out
>>>>>
>>>>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in
>>>>> your
>>>>>
>>>>> local chapter.
>>>>>
>>>>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most
>>>>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>>>>
>>>>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Derek
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with speech
>>>>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional
>>>>> keys
>>>>>
>>>>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions.
>>>>> After
>>>>>
>>>>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in 
>>>>> the
>>>>> ballot box.
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys
>>>>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually
>>>>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is
>>>>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
>>>>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they 
>>>>> can
>>>>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to
>>>>> me?
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be 
>>>>> election
>>>>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the
>>>>> Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this
>>>>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>>>>
>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>>
>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>> Blind Students.
>>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>>
>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>> 3:16
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Oct 30 23:36:12 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 19:36:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Thank you to our Mobility Instructors
Message-ID: <5452cbac.84903c0a.66ac.48bf@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

As Thanksgiving draws near I'd like to say a huge thank-you to 
our mobility instructors.  I've had some awesome instructors who 
have helped me to increase my cane travel skills and shown me how 
to advocate for myself.  Mrs.  Morehouse, my mobility instructor 
in high school worked hard to instill a love for independence in 
me.  Mrs.  Saxe and I had conversations about topics like 
homework and holiday traditions.  My most recent mobility 
instructor was honest with me about getting training to imporve 
my independent living skills.  I'd like to hear your stories 
about how your mobility instructors have impacted your lives.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 00:19:52 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2014 17:19:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
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Even though my parents and I have similar politics, I'd feel
uncomfortable having them record my ballots. I trust that they'd write
down what I want them too, but I'd be concerned that if we did
disagree, I would feel pressured to lean my vote their way. For
similar reasons, I don't like having them help me fill out forms or
read things to me unless it's the only option. For example, once I was
filling out a study-abroad form with my mom as reader, and my mom
pressured me to disclose blindness earlier in the process than I
wanted to.
Arielle

On 10/30/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> call them. You're in college, and it sounds like you never voted. we cannot
>
> give you specific advice as every local area is different.
> find out and vote though. but I thought you were from a spanish country. you
>
> have to be  a citizen to vote.
>
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2014 3:37 AM
> To: Kaiti Shelton ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>
> Hi all! How do I contact my election office in order to ask them regarding
> if they can provide me the ballot in Braille or other accommodations? I am
> just wondering! I actually live in Boca Raton Florida. Hope to hear from you
>
> soon. Thanks so much and God bless! :-)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
>
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Oct 30, 2014, at 1:14 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> As I've missed out on voting at the poles so far, this thread is
>> really cool to read about.
>>
>> Another option, Helga, is voting by absentee.  I use this method since
>> it's just what my family uses and my parents register me for an
>> absentee ballot at the same time that they register for their's, and
>> my mom will either fill it out with me when I'm home on midterm break
>> or, if I have something going on and don't come home, she and I will
>> do it over the phone.  I would hope that a parent or someone in your
>> family would be able to write down your choices for the ballot, even
>> if they don't coincide with their own.
>>
>> However, it is worth going to the poles for the experience.  I finally
>> have a class schedule that would have allowed me to have time to do so
>> this semester (Mondays have always been extremely hectic for me with
>> classes due to the way my major is set up), and my parents just
>> assumed that I would need an absentee and thought they were being
>> helpful this year.  I really want to see the electronic voting
>> machines, especially the ones that print out your ballot for you.
>> Those sound really cool.
>>
>>> On 10/30/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> If you read Braille, it's also worth asking the elections office if
>>> they send out Braille ballots. Arizona provided this before HAVA was
>>> passed. Not sure if any other state offers Braille voting.
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 10/29/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Helga,
>>>> no, email is not usually secure. so no you cannot vote by email
>>>> usually.
>>>> but it depends on your state. its only one day; just go to the poll
>>>> with
>>>> a
>>>> photo id and vote. they should have set up an accessible machine, but
>>>> if
>>>> not, use a poll worker.
>>>>
>>>> Ashley
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 9:21 PM
>>>> To: Derek Manners ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>
>>>> Hi guys! Do u guys think I can vote by email? Just wondering!
>>>>
>>>> Helga  Schreiber
>>>>
>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>> Blind
>>>>
>>>> Students.
>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>
>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>> whoever
>>>>
>>>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 7:39 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, every state is supposed to have a secret ballot for the blind but
>>>>> I've heard dozens of stories from NFB members that their state is not
>>>>> in
>>>>> compliance/their city doesn't have the technology. Furthermore, it's
>>>>> especially problematic if you vote by mail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best
>>>>> Derek
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Actually this isn't true.  Under the Help America Vote Act (HAVA) all
>>>>>> states are required to have a secret ballot accessible for the blind.
>>>>>> Most states either have an Automark, which is a machine that lets you
>>>>>> select your choices and then prints the ballot for you, or use
>>>>>> electronic
>>>>>>
>>>>>> voting machines for everyone, which allow you to plug in headphones
>>>>>> like
>>>>>>
>>>>>> an ATM machine and select your candidates like everyone else.  I
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> suggest contacting your city clerk and asking how blind people vote
>>>>>> where
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you live.  Make sure they know you're blind and you're going to vote,
>>>>>> because then they'll probably make sure the accommodations are all
>>>>>> set
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>
>>>>>> at your poling place (sometimes if they don't think anyone is
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> going to use them, they get lazy and don't set up the accessible
>>>>>> machines).  The NFB also has a hotline to call if you have any
>>>>>> trouble
>>>>>> voting.  Not sure what it is, but it'll be on their website
>>>>>> somewhere.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>> Karl
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To: Jennifer Aberdeen <freespirit328 at gmail.com>,National Association
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Date sent: Wed, 29 Oct 2014 07:24:48 -0400
>>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Every state is different. Congrats on living in a swing state. You've
>>>>>> got
>>>>>>
>>>>>> a great governor's race on your hands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd contact either a county clerk or the Secretary of State to figure
>>>>>> out
>>>>>>
>>>>>> the easiest way to vote. You can also get info from someone else in
>>>>>> your
>>>>>>
>>>>>> local chapter.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> While some states have online voting (in part thanks to the NFB) most
>>>>>> states still require us to have a non secret ballot.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In Massachusetts, we have special voting machines that read to us.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Best
>>>>>> Derek
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Oct 29, 2014, at 6:58 AM, Jennifer Aberdeen via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Here in Rhode Island, we use the Automark. It's a computer with
>>>>>> speech
>>>>>> that reads the ballot to you after scanning it. There's directional
>>>>>> keys
>>>>>>
>>>>>> that allow you to choose your candidates and answers to questions.
>>>>>> After
>>>>>>
>>>>>> you finish filling it out, you print it out and then just put it in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> ballot box.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -----Original Message----- From: Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
>>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2014 1:45 AM
>>>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> Cc: Florida Association of Blind Students
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Voting in the Upcoming November Election
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi everyone! How are yu all? The subject says it all! How do you guys
>>>>>> vote when elections come up in November? Meaning, how do visually
>>>>>> impaired or blind individuals vote?  I'm just wondering since this is
>>>>>> actually my second time voting, but when I voted before in the
>>>>>> Presidential election someone read it to me. Do you guys think they
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> send me the election ballot by email; instead, of them reading it to
>>>>>> me?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm just curious is since I know that next week is going to be
>>>>>> election
>>>>>> in order to vote for our House of Representatives members and the
>>>>>> Senate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I look forward in hearing your opinions and responses regarding this
>>>>>> matter! Thanks so much and God bless!!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Helga Schreiber
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>>>>>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
>>>>>> Blind Students.
>>>>>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>>>>>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>>>>>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>>>>>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>>>>>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>>>>>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>>>>>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
>>>>>> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John
>>>>>> 3:16
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 12:41:36 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 07:41:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading applications and turning on and off voice over
Message-ID: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Hope everyone is having a great morning. I was wondering if anyone can help me with a couple of issues I'm having. I have downloaded the latest version of iOS and I'm having issues downloading applications. In the past I was able to download an application and click the download button and receive notification as to how much time the application had before the download was complete.this morning I tried to download the Google and YouTube applications to my phone and the only message I get is, "waiting." I understand that this may mean the connection to the Internet may be a little bit shaky but time goes and goes and the application still says, "waiting." And my doing something wrong, is anyone else having these issues? Another thing I'm having issues with is being able to turn voiceover on and off. That is I'm having issues turning it off. My husband was helping me with some things on my phone and because he is cited using voice over can be a little difficult for him so if he's doing something on my phone he rather have voiceover off and continue working on the phone, butwe are unable to put voiceover or to turn voiceover off on my phone. Is there some type of lock on this setting that I'm unaware of? I hope this message makes sense and hopefully someone can assist me with these issues that I'm having. Thanks for any advice or suggestions you can give.
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 13:31:12 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:31:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading applications and turning on and off voice
	over
In-Reply-To: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>
References: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1BBF369-697B-4E15-B5EA-48929A6E337F@gmail.com>

Gloria,

I think your problem with the App Store may be caused by either an issue with your Internet connection or your iPhone's ability to connect to it. I would try turning off wifi in Control Center, then turning it on again shortly thereafter. If this doesn't work, try powering off the phone and powering it back on again.

Regarding your issue with turning VoiceOver on and off: Do you have triple click home enabled? This allows VO to be turned on and off quickly without having to go into Settings every time. To enable it or check if it is enabled, go to Settings, General, Accessibility, Accessibility Shortcut. Once you've clicked on this button, select VoiceOver as the accessibility feature the shortcut will effect. Alternatively, you can toggle VO by telling Siri, "Turn VoiceOver on" or "off."

HTH,

Chris

> On Oct 31, 2014, at 8:41 AM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone is having a great morning. I was wondering if anyone can help me with a couple of issues I'm having. I have downloaded the latest version of iOS and I'm having issues downloading applications. In the past I was able to download an application and click the download button and receive notification as to how much time the application had before the download was complete.this morning I tried to download the Google and YouTube applications to my phone and the only message I get is, "waiting." I understand that this may mean the connection to the Internet may be a little bit shaky but time goes and goes and the application still says, "waiting." And my doing something wrong, is anyone else having these issues? Another thing I'm having issues with is being able to turn voiceover on and off. That is I'm having issues turning it off. My husband was helping me with some things on my phone and because he is cited using voice over can be a little difficult for him so if he's doing something on my phone he rather have voiceover off and continue working on the phone, butwe are unable to put voiceover or to turn voiceover off on my phone. Is there some type of lock on this setting that I'm unaware of? I hope this message makes sense and hopefully someone can assist me with these issues that I'm having. Thanks for any advice or suggestions you can give.
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Oct 31 13:46:14 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:46:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
Message-ID: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

for those still celebrating it, such as the teens here, happy halloween.

I enjoyed my halloween times! I remember dressing up as a clown multiple years. I always loved having lots of candy.

I’m out of town soon to see my nephew.

Ashley

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 13:51:32 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:51:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
Message-ID: <54539424.e99f420a.031e.ffffe8ba@mx.google.com>

Hi Ashley happy haloween to you too and those who still celebrate 
it.  My family and I do not celebrate this holiday.  I enjoy the 
candy that people give out.  I remember getting candy from my 
teachers when I was in the public school system.


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 14:46:39 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:46:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
In-Reply-To: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
References: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <FE74E827-857F-4EC0-9D57-DAC30DBA9FBC@gmail.com>

A happy Halloween to all! It has been some time now since I've trick-or-treated, but I certainly made the most of it when I did. Unfortunately, I don't remember most of the costumes in which I dressed up for Halloween, but I vividly remember a particular neighbor—an adult—who would dress and act the part of a witch as she sat on her front porch handing out candy. I'm sure she was a very nice lady in reality, but so realistic was her evil witch laugh that I was terrified to even approach her porch to solicit a treat. Now I have the fortune of having arguably the best Halloween job: that of candy hander-outer. I haven't yet tried scaring the kids with an evil laugh on our porch, but my deep voice might allow me to pull it off. We'll see...

Have fun tonight in whatever role you play!

Chris

> On Oct 31, 2014, at 9:46 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> for those still celebrating it, such as the teens here, happy halloween.
> 
> I enjoyed my halloween times! I remember dressing up as a clown multiple years. I always loved having lots of candy.
> 
> I’m out of town soon to see my nephew.
> 
> Ashley
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Oct 31 14:55:31 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:55:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading applications and turning on and off voice
	over
In-Reply-To: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>
References: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP237D162B0246AAE4E2D3A9ACE9A0@phx.gbl>

Good morning Gloria, Chris is got you on the right track, but I just wanted to let you know what Else will work for you regarding the apps store. I recommend closing up stores opening it and seeing if that will fixed the problem or, keep yet store opened go into the app store and look at the aptitude downloading and it will show the progress. Anyway hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone is having a great morning. I was wondering if anyone can help me with a couple of issues I'm having. I have downloaded the latest version of iOS and I'm having issues downloading applications. In the past I was able to download an application and click the download button and receive notification as to how much time the application had before the download was complete.this morning I tried to download the Google and YouTube applications to my phone and the only message I get is, "waiting." I understand that this may mean the connection to the Internet may be a little bit shaky but time goes and goes and the application still says, "waiting." And my doing something wrong, is anyone else having these issues? Another thing I'm having issues with is being able to turn voiceover on and off. That is I'm having issues turning it off. My husband was helping me with some things on my phone and because he is cited using voice over can be a little difficult for him so if he's doing something on my phone he rather have voiceover off and continue working on the phone, butwe are unable to put voiceover or to turn voiceover off on my phone. Is there some type of lock on this setting that I'm unaware of? I hope this message makes sense and hopefully someone can assist me with these issues that I'm having. Thanks for any advice or suggestions you can give.
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Fri Oct 31 16:31:00 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 09:31:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
In-Reply-To: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
References: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <mailman.177.1772982279.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Ashley, and everyone,

         Anybody ever throw a pillow case on 
their heads and go trick-or-treating as a ghost, 
with no eye holes?? My folks described the looks 
of horror when, the candy passer outers realized 
that some kid was walking around with no eye holes!!!!
Did that as a kid.
Happy Friday- and happy Holoween, guys!
Car  At 06:46 AM 10/31/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all, for those still celebrating it, such as 
>the teens here, happy halloween. I enjoyed my 
>halloween times! I remember dressing up as a 
>clown multiple years. I always loved having lots 
>of candy. I’m out of town soon to see my 
>nephew. Ashley 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 19:15:48 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 15:15:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
In-Reply-To: <5453b98e.c33ce00a.01b8.ffffbf34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
	<5453b98e.c33ce00a.01b8.ffffbf34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <003101cff53f$14f2e080$3ed8a180$@gmail.com>

That is hilarious.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:31 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] halloween

Good morning, Ashley, and everyone,

         Anybody ever throw a pillow case on their heads and go trick-or-treating as a ghost, with no eye holes?? My folks described the looks of horror when, the candy passer outers realized that some kid was walking around with no eye holes!!!!
Did that as a kid.
Happy Friday- and happy Holoween, guys!
Car  At 06:46 AM 10/31/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all, for those still celebrating it, such as the teens here, happy 
>halloween. I enjoyed my halloween times! I remember dressing up as a 
>clown multiple years. I always loved having lots of candy. I’m out of 
>town soon to see my nephew. Ashley 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 20:44:55 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 16:44:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] halloween
In-Reply-To: <003101cff53f$14f2e080$3ed8a180$@gmail.com>
References: <BA977C830B3941C8B2D6642360EF1B88@OwnerPC>
	<5453b98e.c33ce00a.01b8.ffffbf34SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
	<003101cff53f$14f2e080$3ed8a180$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFyt8MZvWcreNcvsKzbdeedkq7oUYEmGUtEWhcgz=ONQjnKQvw@mail.gmail.com>

Carly,

Yes, I have done what you describe a few times. A stupid costume, one
might think, but certainly an effective one. <Grin!>

Chris

On 10/31/14, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> That is hilarious.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 12:31 PM
> To: Ashley Bramlett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
> National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] halloween
>
> Good morning, Ashley, and everyone,
>
>          Anybody ever throw a pillow case on their heads and go
> trick-or-treating as a ghost, with no eye holes?? My folks described the
> looks of horror when, the candy passer outers realized that some kid was
> walking around with no eye holes!!!!
> Did that as a kid.
> Happy Friday- and happy Holoween, guys!
> Car  At 06:46 AM 10/31/2014, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi all, for those still celebrating it, such as the teens here, happy
>>halloween. I enjoyed my halloween times! I remember dressing up as a
>>clown multiple years. I always loved having lots of candy. I’m out of
>>town soon to see my nephew. Ashley
>>_______________________________________________
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Oct 31 21:02:45 2014
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2014 17:02:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Downloading applications and turning on and off voice
	over
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP237D162B0246AAE4E2D3A9ACE9A0@phx.gbl>
References: <43CAD7CB-1C8D-46E2-BDA8-FBABB9C71C3D@gmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP237D162B0246AAE4E2D3A9ACE9A0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <000a01cff54e$05b891f0$1129b5d0$@gmail.com>

Joseph,

I believe you were using dictation, as your message appears a bit jumbled.
>From what I can gather, you are suggesting closing App Store in the App
Switcher, then reopening it and attempting the download again? Is that
correct? If so, that should do the trick as well.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2014 10:56 AM
To: Gloria Graves; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Downloading applications and turning on and off voice
over

Good morning Gloria, Chris is got you on the right track, but I just wanted
to let you know what Else will work for you regarding the apps store. I
recommend closing up stores opening it and seeing if that will fixed the
problem or, keep yet store opened go into the app store and look at the
aptitude downloading and it will show the progress. Anyway hope this helps.
Joseph Hudson
jhud7789 at outlook.com



> On Oct 31, 2014, at 7:41 AM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone is having a great morning. I was wondering if anyone can
help me with a couple of issues I'm having. I have downloaded the latest
version of iOS and I'm having issues downloading applications. In the past I
was able to download an application and click the download button and
receive notification as to how much time the application had before the
download was complete.this morning I tried to download the Google and
YouTube applications to my phone and the only message I get is, "waiting." I
understand that this may mean the connection to the Internet may be a little
bit shaky but time goes and goes and the application still says, "waiting."
And my doing something wrong, is anyone else having these issues? Another
thing I'm having issues with is being able to turn voiceover on and off.
That is I'm having issues turning it off. My husband was helping me with
some things on my phone and because he is cited using voice over can be a
little difficult for him so if he's doing something on my phone he rather
have voiceover off and continue working on the phone, butwe are unable to
put voiceover or to turn voiceover off on my phone. Is there some type of
lock on this setting that I'm unaware of? I hope this message makes sense
and hopefully someone can assist me with these issues that I'm having.
Thanks for any advice or suggestions you can give.
> Gloria
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