From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Sep  1 08:58:10 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 03:58:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] mobility skills quesiton
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The skills you use to walk along the Street with no sidewalk are essentially the same skills you use when  following the wall inside a building. You just need to be able to tell the difference between an intersecting street in the driveway. Driveways have a sort of seam where they meet the street you were walking along. You can usually identify it because the texture on each side is different. The street is rougher and the driveway is usually smoother. They also create a sort of Valley where they meet. That valley is created by the downward slope of the street side and the upward slope of the driveway. Streets don't have this effect. The texture will also be the same no matter if you move your cane to the left or right. But streets have a general curve that takes you from the parallel street to the perpendicular street. This curve is usually quite subtle. You want to stop walking the moment you feel the peeling away of the shoreline in front of you. That way, you should be in line to cross the street and to the next corner. In any case, make sure you are close enough to the edge of the street so that, if you needed to, you could jump to the side. I like to stay close enough that I can reach my inside foot to the grass or curb if need be.

Respectfully,
Jedi

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> On Aug 31, 2014, at 3:39 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Afternoon, John,
> 
> Well, and you, O&M people of course, jump in if you want, but while there is a skill set of non-side walk mobility, I don't know that such a skill, necessarily is transferable. But, it would seem to me, if so-called side-walk mobility is what you want, you might need to go to a residential center where you live on campus, having class daily yet, you gave us no information about which corner of this land, you call home. So, if you give us a bit more info, we can more completely answer you? Those are just a couple of notions off the top of my thinker just now.
> Car
> At 10:01 AM 8/31/2014, sandersj6--- via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi, I do apologize if I’m posting to the wrong list. I don’t know where I should post this question but, I’m wanting to get better at my mobility training before I go and get a guide dog. I’m wanting to get some last minute training in. Where I live I don’t have any sidewalks around my area. I live out in the country. I hope to hear from you soon. Sincerely, John Sanders _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Sep  1 09:03:32 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 04:03:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Steve,

I can usually tell when something is just uncomfortable because of blindness or something that is genuinely not safe. The way I tell is to ask myself if a similarly situated sighted person would do it. When I say similarly situated, I mean that this hypothetical individual has all of the same abilities and challenges that I do except that this person can see. If this hypothetical person wouldn't do it, then it's probably not safe. If this hypothetical person would do it, then I probably need to buck up and do it. Because there are more seeing people then blind people, it's usually pretty easy to come up with examples of similarly situated sighted people who are doing most all of the things I think I can't do. I also think about the other blind people I know. If they are out there doing it and they are pretty similar to me in most ways, I think it's safe to say that I should afford myself the same opportunity. The trick is to make sure that blindness, or any other so-called disability, presents an opportunity for growth rather than an excuse.

Respectfully,
Jedi

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> On Aug 31, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Carly,
> 
> What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We don't all have 
> the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have to take some 
> care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
> 
> The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There isn't one thing that 
> I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was learning to cook.  So how 
> do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you 
> think.
> 
> Best regards,
> 
> Steve Jacobson
> 
>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, Arielle,
> 
>> Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of 
>> comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I 
>> was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you 
>> repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that! 
>> Just do what you feel.
>> Car
> 
>> 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>>> Hi Carly and all,
>>> 
>>> Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
>>> with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
>>> it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
>>> go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
>>> like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
>>> "super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
>>> movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
>>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Karlee,
>>>> In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group 
>>> standards more
>>>> than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn about Islam, for
>>>> example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
>>>> Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For that matter,
>>>> I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you see where I'm
>>>> going with this.
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kirt
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, recruting your
>>>>> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
>>>>> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
>>>>> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout reversal, became
>>>>> for me no more than a pipe dream.
>>>>> 
>>>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to prove
>>>>> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
>>>>> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink whom, by simply
>>>>> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any circumstances
>>>>> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
>>>>> possible to live within and many people do it, but not everybody is super
>>>>> Federationist blink!
>>>>> 
>>>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
>>>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us are
>>>>> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
>>>>> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
>>>>> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
>>>>> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
>>>>> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for themselves, it may be a
>>>>> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that
>>>>> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
>>>>> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be
>>>>> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said
>>>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
>>>>> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
>>>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
>>>>> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic of every
>>>>> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at least by their
>>>>> rigid standards.
>>>>> for today, Car
>>>>> 408-209-3239
>>>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>> Dear Students,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
>>>>>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
>>>>>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling independently as
>>>>>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
>>>>>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled independently
>>>>>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my own.  Can each
>>>>>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope to hear from
>>>>>> you soon.
>>>>>> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Sep  1 13:04:58 2014
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:04:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Carly,

I understand better what you were meaning by using the word "comfortable," and that your meaning was perhaps somewhat different than the meaning I 
took from it originally.  Still, I think my question is worth discussing, but let me put it another way.  How do we know when we feel we are not profficient at 
something whether it is because we truly don't have the ability to do it or that we haven't had the correct opportunity to develop the associated skill?  By 
opportunity, I mean a lot of different things, I mean the right instructor, the right kind of encouragement, and a reason to succeed.  Please know that I do 
understand that there are skills that we won't all be able to learn for various reasons.  But please also understand that I have been fortunate enough to 
witness blind people doing things they didn't believe they could do in the right circumstances.  Words that we write on these lists touch a lot of people with 
different challenges, and I just want to be sure that we find ways to both accepteach other for what we are while trying to encourage each other to be all 
we can be.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson
 .  

On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:18:41 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:

>Good afternoon, Steve, and everyone,

>         Well, by "comfortable" I don't think I'm trying to describe 
>anything like proficiency. That is what I take your examples of 
>cooking, and of crossing streets to be describing. In using the word 
>myself, I was trying to be consistent with the person whom was 
>reluctant to, intimidated by, moving through an unfamiliar 
>environment, by herself. I was not referring, I don't think, to 
>proficiency, for there are ways around that obstacle. More like, how 
>you feel doing something.
>Do you understand, Steve, and anyone still invested in this?\
>Car

>  At 12:31 PM 8/31/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>>Carly,
>>
>>What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there 
>>are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that 
>>we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We don't all have
>>the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee 
>>that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish 
>>everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have to take some
>>care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
>>
>>The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people 
>>should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but 
>>obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There 
>>isn't one thing that
>>I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort 
>>when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street 
>>was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was 
>>learning to cook.  So how
>>do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not 
>>comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just 
>>haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
>>think.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Steve Jacobson
>>
>>On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>>
>> >Good morning, Arielle,
>>
>> >Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
>> >comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
>> >was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
>> >repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
>> >Just do what you feel.
>> >Car
>>
>> >8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>Hi Carly and all,
>> >>
>> >>Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
>> >>with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
>> >>it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
>> >>go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
>> >>like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
>> >>"super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
>> >>movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
>> >>
>> >>Respectfully,
>> >>Arielle
>> >>
>> >>On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> > Karlee,
>> >> > In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
>> >> standards more
>> >> > than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn 
>> about Islam, for
>> >> > example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
>> >> > Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For 
>> that matter,
>> >> > I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you 
>> see where I'm
>> >> > going with this.
>> >> > Best,
>> >> > Kirt
>> >> >
>> >> > Sent from my iPhone
>> >> >
>> >> >> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Good morning,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, 
>> recruting your
>> >> >> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
>> >> >> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
>> >> >> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout 
>> reversal, became
>> >> >> for me no more than a pipe dream.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea 
>> that to prove
>> >> >> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
>> >> >> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink 
>> whom, by simply
>> >> >> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any 
>> circumstances
>> >> >> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
>> >> >> possible to live within and many people do it, but not 
>> everybody is super
>> >> >> Federationist blink!
>> >> >>
>> >> >> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
>> >> >> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which 
>> most of us are
>> >> >> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
>> >> >> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
>> >> >> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
>> >> >> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
>> >> >> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for 
>> themselves, it may be a
>> >> >> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the 
>> hoards that
>> >> >> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
>> >> >> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, 
>> should he be
>> >> >> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an 
>> indication of said
>> >> >> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
>> >> >> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
>> >> >> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
>> >> >> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, 
>> realistic of every
>> >> >> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at 
>> least by their
>> >> >> rigid standards.
>> >> >> for today, Car
>> >> >> 408-209-3239
>> >> >>  :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>> >> >>> Dear Students,
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
>> >> >>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
>> >> >>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling 
>> independently as
>> >> >>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
>> >> >>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled 
>> independently
>> >> >>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my 
>> own.  Can each
>> >> >>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope 
>> to hear from
>> >> >>> you soon.
>> >> >>>
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Mon Sep  1 13:13:36 2014
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:13:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Air travel an advise required
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Please know my comments were directed at the originall statement that the airline did not allow blind people to board alone, which, to me, means they are 
requiring that a blind person be accompanied.  This is an issue that is independent of how one chooses to board a plane, and even when we need help, we 
need to know that it is our choice and not the insistance of the airline that should be the determining factor.

Best regards,

Steve Jacobson


On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:58:02 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:

>Hi, Steve,

>         Did I use the word requirement without noticing, as anyone 
>who talks with me knows I veery well could have. People don't need to 
>be required to do anything, in this instance particularly, to be 
>manhandled on to a plane but by a same token, nobody need be 
>minimized for grabbing a shoulder, should that be the way he wants to 
>do it. At 08:02 AM 8/28/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>>While I don't completely disagree with Carly, I don't believe there 
>>is any law or regulation preventing a blind
>>person from boarding a flight alone, and I don't think we can afford 
>>to let such claims go unchallenged even if we
>>feel we might need help.  I don't know how best to handle this 
>>particular instance, but we have to do what we can
>>to fight any tendency for government, business, or other 
>>well-intentioned people to feel someone else should be
>>responsible for us.  Requesting a written copy of the policy might 
>>be a good start.  I have boarded alone
>>countless times as have many others here.  There are times when a person
>>might require help, and different people have different challenges 
>>so I am not saying it is never right to get
>>boarding assistance, but that should not be a requirement, and I 
>>believe each of us has to try to be as
>>independent
>>as our ability allows.
>>
>>Best regards,
>>
>>Steve Jacobson
>>
>>On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:25:13 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>>
>> >Good evening, Siddhi,
>> >         While I don't believe in restricting anybody from boarding
>> >an airplane, or any other conveyance, it would seem to me  your trip
>> >unfolding more seamlessly if you were to inlist some help from, say,
>> >Ol'Sighty, anywhere. It is my belief that, Ol'Sighty's often
>> >pointless, and in many cases arbitrary measurements of us are in
>> >fact, based on the ends to which you arrive, not the means you
>> >happend to use to get there. So, I don't think they care how the
>> >blink goes about arriving at a particular end. Take this example. I
>> >believe Ol'Sighty will be impressed to see us flying period, not that
>> >we might have completely "independently" boarded the plane, and 
>> found a seat.
>> >I tend to believe that the person who gets to lead you to your seat,
>> >while you are holding your cane and interacting with you,  is bound
>> >to find more of an education about blind people's capabilities and
>> >potentials than watching the blink bumble around, groping for
>> >everything, of course, "independently."
>> >for today, Car
>> >408-209-3239
>>
>>
>> >>Hope you all are doing well.
>> >>
>> >>Actually, I am planning to travel in USA and facing some issues.
>> >>
>> >>I have flight at Chicago airport operated by
>> >>EXPRESSJET                 AIRLINES DBA
>> >>UNITED EXPR owned by united airlines. I am in conversation with their
>> >>customer care executive. They have informed me that On US domestic
>> >>airport they do not allow individual  visually impaired to board
>> >>alone. Is this an universal law or airline specific laws are
>> >>implemented? Or is there any provision of USA government to tackle
>> >>this issue? Is there any one travelled from this airline and had
>> >>assistance on board?
>> >>
>> >>Sincerely
>> >>Siddhi
>> >>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 14:01:46 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 10:01:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Labor Day
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Happy Labor Day everyone.  Hope you're enjoying some quality time 
with your families.


From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:06:17 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:06:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Good morning, Jedi,

         After a sobering realization of being rendered brain 
damaged, I realized gradually, an  ebbing and flowing  of the manner 
in which I learn new things. What's more, this state, according to 
what I was hearing would be permanent, irreversible. I had to slowly 
realize I could no longer "measure" myself to people who are 
"blessed" with a round of just blindness, on the rocks. There is now 
more going on within my particular bag of problems. I am "multi-handicapped."

As time went on and I hooked up with a man who is studying special 
education, he showed me how what others do, and how they do it, is 
their thing alone. I need not measure myself to anybody else.

Also, there's this Sociology professor at my junior college, whom I 
really admire, she showed me how most things aren't really real, 
they're mere human construct. And, comp airing myself to what I 
thought I saw others doing, is just an egoistic (meaning about 
myself), construct.
Today, I have let that shit go. It's unhealthy, will make you more 
depressed, will turn your self-concept to certain ruin. Let it go!
for today, Car

say similarly situated, I mean that this hypothetical individual has 
all of the same abilities and challenges that I do except that this 
person can see. If this hypothetical person wouldn't do it, then it's 
probably not safe. If this hypothetical person would do it, then I 
probably need to buck up and do it. Because there are more seeing 
people then blind people, it's usually pretty easy to come up with 
examples of similarly situated sighted people who are doing most all 
of the things I think I can't do. I also think about the other blind 
people I know. If they are out there doing it and they are pretty 
similar to me in most ways, I think it's safe to say that I should 
afford myself the same opportunity. The trick is to make sure that 
blindness, or any other so-called disability, presents an opportunity 
for growth rather than an excuse.

>Respectfully,
>Jedi
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 31, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Carly,
> >
> > What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that 
> there are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is 
> that we do have to recognize that we are not all built the 
> same.  We don't all have
> > the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no 
> guarantee that two people with the same disability will be able to 
> accomplish everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, 
> we have to take some
> > care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
> >
> > The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people 
> should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but 
> obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There 
> isn't one thing that
> > I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort 
> when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street 
> was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was 
> learning to cook.  So how
> > do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are 
> not comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we 
> just haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
> > think.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Steve Jacobson
> >
> >> On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
> >>
> >> Good morning, Arielle,
> >
> >> Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
> >> comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
> >> was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
> >> repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
> >> Just do what you feel.
> >> Car
> >
> >> 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
> >>> Hi Carly and all,
> >>>
> >>> Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
> >>> with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
> >>> it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
> >>> go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
> >>> like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
> >>> "super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
> >>> movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
> >>>
> >>> Respectfully,
> >>> Arielle
> >>>
> >>>> On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>> Karlee,
> >>>> In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
> >>> standards more
> >>>> than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn 
> about Islam, for
> >>>> example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
> >>>> Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For 
> that matter,
> >>>> I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you 
> see where I'm
> >>>> going with this.
> >>>> Best,
> >>>> Kirt
> >>>>
> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Good morning,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, 
> recruting your
> >>>>> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
> >>>>> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
> >>>>> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout 
> reversal, became
> >>>>> for me no more than a pipe dream.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea 
> that to prove
> >>>>> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
> >>>>> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink 
> whom, by simply
> >>>>> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any 
> circumstances
> >>>>> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
> >>>>> possible to live within and many people do it, but not 
> everybody is super
> >>>>> Federationist blink!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
> >>>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which 
> most of us are
> >>>>> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
> >>>>> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
> >>>>> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
> >>>>> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
> >>>>> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for 
> themselves, it may be a
> >>>>> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the 
> hoards that
> >>>>> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
> >>>>> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, 
> should he be
> >>>>> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an 
> indication of said
> >>>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
> >>>>> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
> >>>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
> >>>>> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, 
> realistic of every
> >>>>> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at 
> least by their
> >>>>> rigid standards.
> >>>>> for today, Car
> >>>>> 408-209-3239
> >>>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>>> Dear Students,
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
> >>>>>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
> >>>>>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling 
> independently as
> >>>>>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
> >>>>>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled 
> independently
> >>>>>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my 
> own.  Can each
> >>>>>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope 
> to hear from
> >>>>>> you soon.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:10:45 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:10:45 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Air travel an advise required
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Good morning, Steve,

         I, too, am all about personal agency, regardless of views of 
what you believe blind people ought to be doing, or be able to do, 
etc. etc. etc.
Car
  06:13 AM 9/1/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>Please know my comments were directed at the originall statement 
>that the airline did not allow blind people to board alone, which, 
>to me, means they are
>requiring that a blind person be accompanied.  This is an issue that 
>is independent of how one chooses to board a plane, and even when we 
>need help, we
>need to know that it is our choice and not the insistance of the 
>airline that should be the determining factor.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:58:02 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>
> >Hi, Steve,
>
> >         Did I use the word requirement without noticing, as anyone
> >who talks with me knows I veery well could have. People don't need to
> >be required to do anything, in this instance particularly, to be
> >manhandled on to a plane but by a same token, nobody need be
> >minimized for grabbing a shoulder, should that be the way he wants to
> >do it. At 08:02 AM 8/28/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
> >>While I don't completely disagree with Carly, I don't believe there
> >>is any law or regulation preventing a blind
> >>person from boarding a flight alone, and I don't think we can afford
> >>to let such claims go unchallenged even if we
> >>feel we might need help.  I don't know how best to handle this
> >>particular instance, but we have to do what we can
> >>to fight any tendency for government, business, or other
> >>well-intentioned people to feel someone else should be
> >>responsible for us.  Requesting a written copy of the policy might
> >>be a good start.  I have boarded alone
> >>countless times as have many others here.  There are times when a person
> >>might require help, and different people have different challenges
> >>so I am not saying it is never right to get
> >>boarding assistance, but that should not be a requirement, and I
> >>believe each of us has to try to be as
> >>independent
> >>as our ability allows.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Steve Jacobson
> >>
> >>On Wed, 27 Aug 2014 15:25:13 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
> >>
> >> >Good evening, Siddhi,
> >> >         While I don't believe in restricting anybody from boarding
> >> >an airplane, or any other conveyance, it would seem to me  your trip
> >> >unfolding more seamlessly if you were to inlist some help from, say,
> >> >Ol'Sighty, anywhere. It is my belief that, Ol'Sighty's often
> >> >pointless, and in many cases arbitrary measurements of us are in
> >> >fact, based on the ends to which you arrive, not the means you
> >> >happend to use to get there. So, I don't think they care how the
> >> >blink goes about arriving at a particular end. Take this example. I
> >> >believe Ol'Sighty will be impressed to see us flying period, not that
> >> >we might have completely "independently" boarded the plane, and
> >> found a seat.
> >> >I tend to believe that the person who gets to lead you to your seat,
> >> >while you are holding your cane and interacting with you,  is bound
> >> >to find more of an education about blind people's capabilities and
> >> >potentials than watching the blink bumble around, groping for
> >> >everything, of course, "independently."
> >> >for today, Car
> >> >408-209-3239
> >>
> >>
> >> >>Hope you all are doing well.
> >> >>
> >> >>Actually, I am planning to travel in USA and facing some issues.
> >> >>
> >> >>I have flight at Chicago airport operated by
> >> >>EXPRESSJET                 AIRLINES DBA
> >> >>UNITED EXPR owned by united airlines. I am in conversation with their
> >> >>customer care executive. They have informed me that On US domestic
> >> >>airport they do not allow individual  visually impaired to board
> >> >>alone. Is this an universal law or airline specific laws are
> >> >>implemented? Or is there any provision of USA government to tackle
> >> >>this issue? Is there any one travelled from this airline and had
> >> >>assistance on board?
> >> >>
> >> >>Sincerely
> >> >>Siddhi
> >> >>
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From yadosoto at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 14:20:35 2014
From: yadosoto at gmail.com (Yadiel Sotomayor)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:20:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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I don’t think comparing yourself with your self is a bad thing. I do it all the time. It removes all the barriers. Will a sighted me go on the airport alone? Yes? Then why I don’t give it a try. Will a sighted me learn Python? Yes? Then why not give it a try. Will a sighted me walk to the corner store in an area without sidewalks? Yes? Then why not me. See where I’m going with this? It is not a matter of getting depressed, and trust me, I know about depression. Being clinically depressed myself. It is a matter of, if I weren’t blind, will I be doing this? If the answer is yes, then why the blind me can’t do it? I want to be the best freaking person I can possibly can. That involves me putting myself in very uncomfortable situations. But I am glad for it.
On Sep 1, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Good morning, Jedi,
> 
>        After a sobering realization of being rendered brain damaged, I realized gradually, an  ebbing and flowing  of the manner in which I learn new things. What's more, this state, according to what I was hearing would be permanent, irreversible. I had to slowly realize I could no longer "measure" myself to people who are "blessed" with a round of just blindness, on the rocks. There is now more going on within my particular bag of problems. I am "multi-handicapped."
> 
> As time went on and I hooked up with a man who is studying special education, he showed me how what others do, and how they do it, is their thing alone. I need not measure myself to anybody else.
> 
> Also, there's this Sociology professor at my junior college, whom I really admire, she showed me how most things aren't really real, they're mere human construct. And, comp airing myself to what I thought I saw others doing, is just an egoistic (meaning about myself), construct.
> Today, I have let that shit go. It's unhealthy, will make you more depressed, will turn your self-concept to certain ruin. Let it go!
> for today, Car
> 
> say similarly situated, I mean that this hypothetical individual has all of the same abilities and challenges that I do except that this person can see. If this hypothetical person wouldn't do it, then it's probably not safe. If this hypothetical person would do it, then I probably need to buck up and do it. Because there are more seeing people then blind people, it's usually pretty easy to come up with examples of similarly situated sighted people who are doing most all of the things I think I can't do. I also think about the other blind people I know. If they are out there doing it and they are pretty similar to me in most ways, I think it's safe to say that I should afford myself the same opportunity. The trick is to make sure that blindness, or any other so-called disability, presents an opportunity for growth rather than an excuse.
> 
>> Respectfully,
>> Jedi
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Aug 31, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Carly,
>> >
>> > What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We don't all have
>> > the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have to take some
>> > care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
>> >
>> > The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There isn't one thing that
>> > I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was learning to cook.  So how
>> > do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
>> > think.
>> >
>> > Best regards,
>> >
>> > Steve Jacobson
>> >
>> >> On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good morning, Arielle,
>> >
>> >> Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
>> >> comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
>> >> was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
>> >> repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
>> >> Just do what you feel.
>> >> Car
>> >
>> >> 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>> Hi Carly and all,
>> >>>
>> >>> Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
>> >>> with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
>> >>> it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
>> >>> go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
>> >>> like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
>> >>> "super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
>> >>> movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
>> >>>
>> >>> Respectfully,
>> >>> Arielle
>> >>>
>> >>>> On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>> Karlee,
>> >>>> In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
>> >>> standards more
>> >>>> than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn about Islam, for
>> >>>> example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
>> >>>> Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For that matter,
>> >>>> I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you see where I'm
>> >>>> going with this.
>> >>>> Best,
>> >>>> Kirt
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>> >>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Good morning,
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, recruting your
>> >>>>> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
>> >>>>> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
>> >>>>> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout reversal, became
>> >>>>> for me no more than a pipe dream.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to prove
>> >>>>> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
>> >>>>> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink whom, by simply
>> >>>>> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any circumstances
>> >>>>> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
>> >>>>> possible to live within and many people do it, but not everybody is super
>> >>>>> Federationist blink!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
>> >>>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us are
>> >>>>> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
>> >>>>> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
>> >>>>> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
>> >>>>> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
>> >>>>> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for themselves, it may be a
>> >>>>> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that
>> >>>>> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
>> >>>>> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be
>> >>>>> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said
>> >>>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
>> >>>>> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
>> >>>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
>> >>>>> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic of every
>> >>>>> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at least by their
>> >>>>> rigid standards.
>> >>>>> for today, Car
>> >>>>> 408-209-3239
>> >>>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>>>> Dear Students,
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
>> >>>>>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
>> >>>>>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling independently as
>> >>>>>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
>> >>>>>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled independently
>> >>>>>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my own.  Can each
>> >>>>>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope to hear from
>> >>>>>> you soon.
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From yadosoto at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 14:21:06 2014
From: yadosoto at gmail.com (Yadiel Sotomayor)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 10:21:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Labor Day
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Alas, I am studying. :) Same to you and yours.

Yadiel Sotomayor
Treasurer,
National Federation of the Blind of Puerto Rico.
On Sep 1, 2014, at 10:01 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Happy Labor Day everyone.  Hope you're enjoying some quality time with your families.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 14:21:52 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:21:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Labor Day
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Good morning, everyone,

         And of course, as you are bbq-ing and celebrating the day 
off, with family, don't lose sight of the group for which this day 
was established, the hard-fought, battle to secure the rights of the 
worker whom must labor beneath the heft of the system, with little 
regard for the personal circumstances of the worker. Go read about 
it! Don't listen to me.
It's, for once, about the worker!
for today, Car
408-209-3239

Happy Labor Day everyone.  Hope you're enjoying some quality time 
with your families.

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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 14:39:41 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Mon, 1 Sep 2014 08:39:41 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Karlee,
I think either extreme here is probably unhealthy, and I think each of us have an optimal sweet spot if you will on the spectrum between just excepting who you are on the one and and pushing yourself as hard as you possibly can on the other. Of course, it's by no means binary, but I'm simplifying for the sake of argument and discussion. With my personality, I become very depressed and discouraged if I'm not challenging myself, Learning new things and expanding my skills. I'm actually happier when I'm slightly uncomfortable, both in the ways you and Steve are using the word. If your optimal position on that spectrum is different than mine who am I to judge, be little or invalidate you and your experiences? I can't do that without becoming a hypocrite… So again I'm slightly puzzled as to why you seem to be trying to apply your experiences and circumstances to our own lives. Just because you are happier and more at peace with yourself when you "let it go"and don't compare yourself with other people does not mean we are all the same as you in that regard. I don't think my personality makes me better or worse than yours, it just makes me different… but speaking from personal experience, I am actually a happier and better adjusted person when I compare myself, in moderation, two people with abilities, opportunities and life circumstances similar to mine. As long as I don't go overboard with it it helps me push myself harder to learn new things and sharpen the knowledge I already have and, given my personality, this is probably the single greatest factor in improving my happiness and personal well-being. Still, I would never even think to try and tell you to live like I do because, as far as I can tell, our personalities are not the same at all in this regard. In some situations you're easy-going acceptance of yourself probably ends up being an advantage over my Constant hunger to learn and become more… similarly, in other situations, my personality is almost certainly better equipped than yours would be. This being the case, I wonder why you give such broad and generic advice to people who you have probably never even met in person? Do you want the world to be full of people who think and act like you?
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Yadiel Sotomayor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don’t think comparing yourself with your self is a bad thing. I do it all the time. It removes all the barriers. Will a sighted me go on the airport alone? Yes? Then why I don’t give it a try. Will a sighted me learn Python? Yes? Then why not give it a try. Will a sighted me walk to the corner store in an area without sidewalks? Yes? Then why not me. See where I’m going with this? It is not a matter of getting depressed, and trust me, I know about depression. Being clinically depressed myself. It is a matter of, if I weren’t blind, will I be doing this? If the answer is yes, then why the blind me can’t do it? I want to be the best freaking person I can possibly can. That involves me putting myself in very uncomfortable situations. But I am glad for it.
>> On Sep 1, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Good morning, Jedi,
>> 
>>       After a sobering realization of being rendered brain damaged, I realized gradually, an  ebbing and flowing  of the manner in which I learn new things. What's more, this state, according to what I was hearing would be permanent, irreversible. I had to slowly realize I could no longer "measure" myself to people who are "blessed" with a round of just blindness, on the rocks. There is now more going on within my particular bag of problems. I am "multi-handicapped."
>> 
>> As time went on and I hooked up with a man who is studying special education, he showed me how what others do, and how they do it, is their thing alone. I need not measure myself to anybody else.
>> 
>> Also, there's this Sociology professor at my junior college, whom I really admire, she showed me how most things aren't really real, they're mere human construct. And, comp airing myself to what I thought I saw others doing, is just an egoistic (meaning about myself), construct.
>> Today, I have let that shit go. It's unhealthy, will make you more depressed, will turn your self-concept to certain ruin. Let it go!
>> for today, Car
>> 
>> say similarly situated, I mean that this hypothetical individual has all of the same abilities and challenges that I do except that this person can see. If this hypothetical person wouldn't do it, then it's probably not safe. If this hypothetical person would do it, then I probably need to buck up and do it. Because there are more seeing people then blind people, it's usually pretty easy to come up with examples of similarly situated sighted people who are doing most all of the things I think I can't do. I also think about the other blind people I know. If they are out there doing it and they are pretty similar to me in most ways, I think it's safe to say that I should afford myself the same opportunity. The trick is to make sure that blindness, or any other so-called disability, presents an opportunity for growth rather than an excuse.
>> 
>>> Respectfully,
>>> Jedi
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 31, 2014, at 2:31 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Carly,
>>>> 
>>>> What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We don't all have
>>>> the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have to take some
>>>> care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
>>>> 
>>>> The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There isn't one thing that
>>>> I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was learning to cook.  So how
>>>> do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
>>>> think.
>>>> 
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> 
>>>> Steve Jacobson
>>>> 
>>>>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Good morning, Arielle,
>>>> 
>>>>> Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
>>>>> comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
>>>>> was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
>>>>> repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
>>>>> Just do what you feel.
>>>>> Car
>>>> 
>>>>> 8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Carly and all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
>>>>>> with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
>>>>>> it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
>>>>>> go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
>>>>>> like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
>>>>>> "super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
>>>>>> movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>> Arielle
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>> Karlee,
>>>>>>> In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
>>>>>> standards more
>>>>>>> than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn about Islam, for
>>>>>>> example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to Sean Hannity or
>>>>>>> Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For that matter,
>>>>>>> I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you see where I'm
>>>>>>> going with this.
>>>>>>> Best,
>>>>>>> Kirt
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
>>>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Good morning,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, recruting your
>>>>>>>> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go. Admittedly,
>>>>>>>> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
>>>>>>>> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout reversal, became
>>>>>>>> for me no more than a pipe dream.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to prove
>>>>>>>> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than a mere
>>>>>>>> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink whom, by simply
>>>>>>>> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any circumstances
>>>>>>>> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
>>>>>>>> possible to live within and many people do it, but not everybody is super
>>>>>>>> Federationist blink!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
>>>>>>>> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us are
>>>>>>>> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
>>>>>>>> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches the same
>>>>>>>> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it becomes a
>>>>>>>> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate to Ol'Sighty
>>>>>>>> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for themselves, it may be a
>>>>>>>> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that
>>>>>>>> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him
>>>>>>>> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course, should he be
>>>>>>>> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an indication of said
>>>>>>>> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually
>>>>>>>> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
>>>>>>>> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd is
>>>>>>>> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic of every
>>>>>>>> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at least by their
>>>>>>>> rigid standards.
>>>>>>>> for today, Car
>>>>>>>> 408-209-3239
>>>>>>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Dear Students,
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had a
>>>>>>>>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my training session at
>>>>>>>>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling independently as
>>>>>>>>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
>>>>>>>>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled independently
>>>>>>>>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my own.  Can each
>>>>>>>>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope to hear from
>>>>>>>>> you soon.
>>>>>>>>> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  1 14:48:12 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:48:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy Labor Day
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That sounds like fun.  I want bbq now.

I'm just going to probably lie around, and hope this cough I have 
goes away.



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Date sent: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 07:21:52 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Happy Labor Day

Good morning, everyone,

         And of course, as you are bbq-ing and celebrating the 
day
off, with family, don't lose sight of the group for which this 
day
was established, the hard-fought, battle to secure the rights of 
the
worker whom must labor beneath the heft of the system, with 
little
regard for the personal circumstances of the worker.  Go read 
about
it! Don't listen to me.
It's, for once, about the worker!
for today, Car
408-209-3239

Happy Labor Day everyone.  Hope you're enjoying some quality time
with your families.

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep  1 15:20:12 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 08:20:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Oh definitely, my blinky brother, Steve!
As far as I'm concerned, perhaps because my own space in which I 
learn is so dynamic, if not to say unpredictable, I simply cannot, as 
many on this list seem to do, measure my abilities against some 
illusive, set-in-stone, yard stick which takes not into 
account  where anybody may have been personally, or what are the 
textures of the manner in which people take in new knowing. I will 
say, however, that during the time I spent at the  CCB (I was not a 
student,) I was impressed by how, for a first time within my 
experience as a blinkie girl, saw authentically blind O&M instructors 
in action, teaching authentically  blind students. This, after being 
steeped in the visual-normative environment in which I was raised, 
was incredible to me. This was before I came into a new self-concept, 
a newly defined skill set.

Nowadays, I have a new appreciation for, as you say, "truly not 
having an ability to do it.

I hope these words make even the slightest inkling of sense! Really 
dig the talk, blinky brother, Steve!
for today, Car

discussing, but let me put it another way.  How do we know when we 
feel we are not profficient at
>something whether it is because we truly don't have the ability to 
>do it or that we haven't had the correct opportunity to develop the 
>associated skill?  By
>opportunity, I mean a lot of different things, I mean the right 
>instructor, the right kind of encouragement, and a reason to 
>succeed.  Please know that I do
>understand that there are skills that we won't all be able to learn 
>for various reasons.  But please also understand that I have been 
>fortunate enough to
>witness blind people doing things they didn't believe they could do 
>in the right circumstances.  Words that we write on these lists 
>touch a lot of people with
>different challenges, and I just want to be sure that we find ways 
>to both accepteach other for what we are while trying to encourage 
>each other to be all
>we can be.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>  .
>
>On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 14:18:41 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>
> >Good afternoon, Steve, and everyone,
>
> >         Well, by "comfortable" I don't think I'm trying to describe
> >anything like proficiency. That is what I take your examples of
> >cooking, and of crossing streets to be describing. In using the word
> >myself, I was trying to be consistent with the person whom was
> >reluctant to, intimidated by, moving through an unfamiliar
> >environment, by herself. I was not referring, I don't think, to
> >proficiency, for there are ways around that obstacle. More like, how
> >you feel doing something.
> >Do you understand, Steve, and anyone still invested in this?\
> >Car
>
> >  At 12:31 PM 8/31/2014, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
> >>Carly,
> >>
> >>What concerns me sometimes about discussions like this is that there
> >>are really two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first is that
> >>we do have to recognize that we are not all built the same.  We 
> don't all have
> >>the same abilities or the same disabilities.  There is no guarantee
> >>that two people with the same disability will be able to accomplish
> >>everything with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we have 
> to take some
> >>care to encourage one another rather than judge one another.
> >>
> >>The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To say that people
> >>should just do what is comfortable sets off alarms for me, but
> >>obviously you may have a different meaning for "comfort."  There
> >>isn't one thing that
> >>I have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit of discomfort
> >>when I learned it.  As I said in an earlier note, crossing a street
> >>was certainly not comfortable for me at first, and neither was
> >>learning to cook.  So how
> >>do we know when we should avoid doing something because we are not
> >>comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is because we just
> >>haven't learned how to do it yet?  I am interested to know what you
> >>think.
> >>
> >>Best regards,
> >>
> >>Steve Jacobson
> >>
> >>On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
> >>
> >> >Good morning, Arielle,
> >>
> >> >Seems to me, a given situation as well as the traveler's level of
> >> >comfort ought to call for however one needs to travel. THAT'S all I
> >> >was seeking to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as you
> >> >repeat dutifully to go where you want, when you want, then do that!
> >> >Just do what you feel.
> >> >Car
> >>
> >> >8/28/2014, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
> >> >>Hi Carly and all,
> >> >>
> >> >>Again, for me traveling independently has absolutely nothing to do
> >> >>with proving a point to sighted people. I travel independently because
> >> >>it is most convenient for me, for others or both. I like being able to
> >> >>go somewhere when I want instead of waiting on people. And I don't
> >> >>like inconveniencing others when I can do something myself. It's not
> >> >>"super-blink" to utilize the same natural right of independent
> >> >>movement that everyone else in the world gets as a matter of course.
> >> >>
> >> >>Respectfully,
> >> >>Arielle
> >> >>
> >> >>On 8/28/14, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >> > Karlee,
> >> >> > In general, I trust members of a group to advocate that group
> >> >> standards more
> >> >> > than, say, disillusioned outsiders. I'm not going to learn
> >> about Islam, for
> >> >> > example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will I go to 
> Sean Hannity or
> >> >> > Rush Limbaugh to learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For
> >> that matter,
> >> >> > I won't go to MSNBC to learn about the tea party. I think you
> >> see where I'm
> >> >> > going with this.
> >> >> > Best,
> >> >> > Kirt
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Sent from my iPhone
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l
> >> >> >> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Good morning,
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel,
> >> recruting your
> >> >> >> fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to 
> go. Admittedly,
> >> >> >> this means of travel found me after becoming injured such that I was
> >> >> >> unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout
> >> reversal, became
> >> >> >> for me no more than a pipe dream.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea
> >> that to prove
> >> >> >> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more 
> than a mere
> >> >> >> inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink
> >> whom, by simply
> >> >> >> waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under any
> >> circumstances
> >> >> >> in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is certainly
> >> >> >> possible to live within and many people do it, but not
> >> everybody is super
> >> >> >> Federationist blink!
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
> >> >> >> alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which
> >> most of us are
> >> >> >> capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating that
> >> >> >> Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink 
> reaches the same
> >> >> >> ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if 
> it becomes a
> >> >> >> matter of walking through an airport, say, to demonstrate 
> to Ol'Sighty
> >> >> >> ways in which most blinks can, and do advocate for
> >> themselves, it may be a
> >> >> >> plausible course of action to grab Ol'Sighty from one of the
> >> hoards that
> >> >> >> are invariably around and, placing your hand on his 
> shoulder, tell him
> >> >> >> where you need to be and see if he can help you. Of course,
> >> should he be
> >> >> >> in a hurry you can find someone else, but wait for an
> >> indication of said
> >> >> >> sighted person being unable to help. It is in this way you 
> can actually
> >> >> >> have a conversation with a sighted person, maybe even 
> exchange names?
> >> >> >> Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding 
> through a crowd is
> >> >> >> intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself,
> >> realistic of every
> >> >> >> blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at
> >> least by their
> >> >> >> rigid standards.
> >> >> >> for today, Car
> >> >> >> 408-209-3239
> >> >> >>  :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> >> >> >>> Dear Students,
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On 
> Monday I had a
> >> >> >>> conversation with my mobility instructor during my 
> training session at
> >> >> >>> UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling
> >> independently as
> >> >> >>> blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we were having this
> >> >> >>> conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never traveled
> >> independently
> >> >> >>> in the community, I lack the experience of traveling on my
> >> own.  Can each
> >> >> >>> of you tell me your stories about inarependent travel? Hope
> >> to hear from
> >> >> >>> you soon.
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From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2014 09:45:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Hi, Kirt,

Brain damage really is a son of a bitch and it 
used to drive me nuts, because, aside from 
pushing yourself to put in an amount of self 
motivation appropriate for your stage of 
recovery, and applying some personal drive, until 
your brain has rebuilt the necessary connections, 
the sufferer reallly is out of control of his accomplishment.

Furthermore, even if some "progress" is made, it 
remains impossible to quantify. In fact, it used 
to bug the hell out of me not being able to see 
that I was, in fact, making something resembling 
progress since it was so slow, I couldn't see it, so egoistic was I!

  Upon Upon first coming home to my parent's 
house from the hospital where I languished for 9 
months (including a 3-month coma) , for example, 
among my personal tasks for which I needed to 
apply some determination was among other things, 
cooperating when my Mom presided over teaching me 
to crawl, then making it through the night 
without wetting my diaper, then 
later  cooporating in the little brain rehab 
class in which my peers and I did little 
exercises, among which was keeping a running log 
book of daily happenings to practice recalling 
how you spent your time and of course, not being 
able to read braille, or type, necessitated my 
daily experiences be dictated, something to which I would need to get used.
What I'm saying is that your progress, generally 
speaking, is fixed by your wounded brain. All you 
can do is push yourself, not accepting the status 
quo as your normal. Aside from that, there ain't 
a whole helova lot you can do in terms of accomplishment.

During the time I was at the CCB, there was a 
student there, Andre, who also was brain damaged 
and, at the time, I was a pretty out of control 
18-year-old. I saw Andre as being a blind guy 
with mysterious "other" problems. In fact, I got 
hurt while still living in Colorado and my Mom 
consulted with Andre for a crash course in brain 
damage101. Yet, aside from that , and that of 
course, all brain damage, like all shades of 
blindness are in no way created equal, it has, 
then, been touch and go, wait and see what happens.
So, I really dig this, Kirt, my brother in blastoma!
Car

things and expanding my skills. I'm actually 
happier when I'm slightly uncomfortable, both in 
the ways you and Steve are using the word. If 
your optimal position on that spectrum is 
different than mine who am I to judge, be little 
or invalidate you and your experiences? I can't 
do that without becoming a hypocrite
 So again 
I'm slightly puzzlled as to why you seem to be 
trying to apply your experiences and 
circumstances to our own lives. Just because you 
are happier and more at peace with yourself when 
you "let it go"and don't compare yourself with 
other people does not mean we are all the same as 
you in that regard. I don't think my personality 
makes me better or worse than yours, it just 
makes me different
 but speaking from persoonal 
experience, I am actually a happier and better 
adjusted person when I compare myself, in 
moderation, two people with abilities, 
opportunities and life circumstances similar to 
mine. As long as I don't go overboard with it it 
helps me push myself harder to learn new things 
and sharpen the knowledge I already have and, 
given my personality, this is probably the single 
greatest factor in improving my happiness and 
personal well-being. Still, I would never even 
think to try and tell you to live like I do 
because, as far as I can tell, our personalities 
are not the same at all in this regard. In some 
situations you're easy-going acceptance of 
yourself probably ends up being an advantage over 
my Constant hunger to learn and become more
 
similarly, in other situations, my personality is 
aalmost certainly better equipped than yours 
would be. This being the case, I wonder why you 
give such broad and generic advice to people who 
you have probably never even met in person? Do 
you want the world to be full of people who think 
and act like you? Best, Kirt Sent from my 
iPhone > On Sep 1, 2014, at 8:20 AM, Yadiel 
Sotomayor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote: > > I don’t think comparing yourself 
with your self is a bad thing. I do it all the 
time. It removes all the barriers. Will a sighted 
me go on the airport alone? Yes? Then why I 
don’t give it a try. Will a sighted me learn 
Python? Yes? Then why not give it a try. Will a 
sighted me walk to the corner store in an area 
without sidewalks? Yes? Then why not me. See 
where I’m going with this? It is not a matter 
of getting depressed, and trust me, I know about 
depression. Being clinically depressed myself. It 
is a matter of, if I weren’t blind, will I be 
doing this? If the answer is yes, then why the 
blind me can’t do it? I want to be the best 
freaking person I can possibly can. That involves 
me putting myself in very uncomfortable 
situations. But I am glad for it. >> On Sep 1, 
2014, at 10:06 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >> Good morning, 
Jedi, >> >>       After a sobering realization of 
being rendered brain damaged, I realized 
gradually, an  ebbing and flowing  of the manner 
in which I learn new things. What's more, this 
state, according to what I was hearing would be 
permanent, irreversible. I had to slowly realize 
I could no longer "measure" myself to people who 
are "blessed" with a round of just blindness, on 
the rocks. There is now more going on within my 
particular bag of problems. I am 
"multi-handicapped." >> >> As time went on and I 
hooked up with a man who is studying special 
education, he showed me how what others do, and 
how they do it, is their thing alone. I need not 
measure myself to anybody else. >> >> Also, 
there's this Sociology professor at my junior 
college, whom I really admire, she showed me how 
most things aren't really real, they're mere 
human construct. And, comp airing myself to what 
I thought I saw others doing, is just an egoistic 
(meaning about myself), construct. >> Today, I 
have let that shit go. It's unhealthy, will make 
you more depressed, will turn your self-concept 
to certain ruin. Let it go! >> for today, 
Car >> >> say similarly situated, I mean that 
this hypothetical individual has all of the same 
abilities and challenges that I do except that 
this person can see. If this hypothetical person 
wouldn't do it, then it's probably not safe. If 
this hypothetical person would do it, then I 
probably need to buck up and do it. Because there 
are more seeing people then blind people, it's 
usually pretty easy to come up with examples of 
similarly situated sighted people who are doing 
most all of the things I think I can't do. I also 
think about the other blind people I know. If 
they are out there doing it and they are pretty 
similar to me in most ways, I think it's safe to 
say that I should afford myself the same 
opportunity. The trick is to make sure that 
blindness, or any other so-called disability, 
presents an opportunity for growth rather than an 
excuse. >> >>> Respectfully, >>> Jedi >>> >>> 
Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On Aug 31, 2014, at 
2:31 PM, Steve Jacobson via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>> >>>> 
Carly, >>>> >>>> What concerns me sometimes about 
discussions like this is that there are really 
two separate factors, in my opinion.  The first 
is that we do have to recognize that we are not 
all built the same.  We don't all have >>>> the 
same abilities or the same disabilities.  There 
is no guarantee that two people with the same 
disability will be able to accomplish everything 
with the same degree of success.  Therefore, we 
have to take some >>>> care to encourage one 
another rather than judge one another. >>>> >>>> 
The second factor, though is that of comfort.  To 
say that people should just do what is 
comfortable sets off alarms for me, but obviously 
you may have a different meaning for 
"comfort."  There isn't one thing that >>>> I 
have ever learned that didn't bring with it a bit 
of discomfort when I learned it.  As I said in an 
earlier note, crossing a street was certainly not 
comfortable for me at first, and neither was 
learning to cook.  So how >>>> do we know when we 
should avoid doing something because we are not 
comfortable with it or whether our discomfort is 
because we just haven't learned how to do it 
yet?  I am interested to know what you >>>> 
think. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Steve 
Jacobson >>>> >>>>> On Sun, 31 Aug 2014 05:38:28 
-0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l 
wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Good morning, 
Arielle, >>>> >>>>> Seems to me, a given 
situation as well as the traveler's level 
of >>>>> comfort ought to call for however one 
needs to travel. THAT'S all I >>>>> was seeking 
to say. If in fact, you are most comfortable as 
you >>>>> repeat dutifully to go where you want, 
when you want, then do that! >>>>> Just do what 
you feel. >>>>> Car >>>> >>>>> 8/28/2014, Arielle 
Silverman via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>> Hi Carly and 
all, >>>>>> >>>>>> Again, for me traveling 
independently has absolutely nothing to do >>>>>> 
with proving a point to sighted people. I travel 
independently because >>>>>> it is most 
convenient for me, for others or both. I like 
being able to >>>>>> go somewhere when I want 
instead of waiting on people. And I don't >>>>>> 
like inconveniencing others when I can do 
something myself. It's not >>>>>> "super-blink" 
to utilize the same natural right of 
independent >>>>>> movement that everyone else in 
the world gets as a matter of 
course. >>>>>> >>>>>> Respectfully, >>>>>> 
Arielle >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 8/28/14, Kirt via 
nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>>> 
Karlee, >>>>>>> In general, I trust members of a 
group to advocate that group >>>>>> standards 
more >>>>>>> than, say, disillusioned outsiders. 
I'm not going to learn about Islam, for >>>>>>> 
example, from an evangelical Christian. Nor will 
I go to Sean Hannity or >>>>>>> Rush Limbaugh to 
learn about The policies of Barack Obama. For 
that matter, >>>>>>> I won't go to MSNBC to learn 
about the tea party. I think you see where 
I'm >>>>>>> going with this. >>>>>>> 
Best, >>>>>>> Kirt >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent from my 
iPhone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Aug 28, 2014, at 5:45 
AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l >>>>>>>> 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good 
morning, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Personally, I like to 
think of it as interdependent travel, recruting 
your >>>>>>>> fellow man, and sort of directing 
him where you need to go. Admittedly, >>>>>>>> 
this means of travel found me after becoming 
injured such that I was >>>>>>>> unable to keep 
track of direction and what they call rout 
reversal, became >>>>>>>> for me no more than a 
pipe dream. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> In my experience, 
however, if you just let go of this idea that to 
prove >>>>>>>> to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' 
being  what is it, little more than a 
mere >>>>>>>> inconvenience, everyone must be 
some kind of super blink whom, by simply >>>>>>>> 
waving his long, white cane can travel any 
course, under any circumstances >>>>>>>> in pitch 
ocular darkness. Sure, this social construct is 
certainly >>>>>>>> possible to live within and 
many people do it, but not everybody is 
super >>>>>>>> Federationist 
blink! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> After all, interpersonal 
contact, I believe, is more of a 
palpable, >>>>>>>> alternative to demonstrating 
to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us 
are >>>>>>>> capable, that Ol'Sighty might 
remember. I'm fond of iterating that >>>>>>>> 
Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the 
blink reaches the same >>>>>>>> ends, noticing 
only that, eventually he gets there. So, if it 
becomes a >>>>>>>> matter of walking through an 
airport, say, to demonstrate to 
Ol'Sighty >>>>>>>> ways in which most blinks can, 
and do advocate for themselves, it may be 
a >>>>>>>> plausible course of action to grab 
Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that >>>>>>>> 
are invariably around and, placing your hand on 
his shoulder, tell him >>>>>>>> where you need to 
be and see if he can help you. Of course, should 
he be >>>>>>>> in a hurry you can find someone 
else, but wait for an indication of said >>>>>>>> 
sighted person being unable to help. It is in 
this way you can actually >>>>>>>> have a 
conversation with a sighted person, maybe even 
exchange names? >>>>>>>> Agreed, the super blink 
means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd 
is >>>>>>>> intimidating, and not exactly if I 
may say so myself, realistic of every >>>>>>>> 
blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super 
blink, at least by their >>>>>>>> rigid 
standards. >>>>>>>> for today, Car >>>>>>>> 
408-209-3239 >>>>>>>> :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna 
Bacchus via nabs-l wrote: >>>>>>>>> Dear 
Students, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'd like to discuss 
another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had 
a >>>>>>>>> conversation with my mobility 
instructor during my training session 
at >>>>>>>>> UCF.  We were talking about the 
importance of traveling independently 
as >>>>>>>>> blind individuals.  I got very 
emotional while we were having this >>>>>>>>> 
conversation and began to cry.  Because I've 
never traveled independently >>>>>>>>> in the 
community, I lack the experience of traveling on 
my own.  Can each >>>>>>>>> of you tell me your 
stories about inarependent travel? Hope to hear 
from >>>>>>>>> you soon. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> 
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 12:38:54 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 18:08:54 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Buying a New Scanner
Message-ID: <CADFycPbMX16eOHcFxJ0BUyVrSMjqt0sJ0anmVo4PwAqw9TV6TA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I'm really keen to buy a camera scanner like the Pearl Camera Scanner.
I currently use a normal HP flatbed scanner which is neither as
accurate nor as fast as I'd like it to be. Even though I use Fine
Reader on the scanned material for the purpose of OCR, the text that I
finally get is often riddled with spelling mistakes and weird
punctuation marks. The only thing that's holding me back from
purchasing a camera scanner is the exorbitant cost of such scanners.
Are you guys aware of any private organizations that would be willing
to offer financial assistance for purchasing the scanner to a student
living in India? I have contacted a number of organizations here in
India for this purpose. It is dismaying to note that none of them are
willing to pay even a small portion of the total cost.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Best,
Rahul


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Sep  2 17:32:21 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 13:32:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [nabs-l] OpenBook Question
In-Reply-To: <CA+6VNgO24YzvUip_roW+eg+uisCgZHcmMELgismkJ_hFg4fYWA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+6VNgO24YzvUip_roW+eg+uisCgZHcmMELgismkJ_hFg4fYWA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D194EAFBD39344-31B0-3A0E@webmail-m202.sysops.aol.com>

Hi All,
After reading a few of recent email exchanges, I would like to know how 
I could obtain OpenBook program to convert pdf files into an accessible 
format.
Does this program convert scanned, imagized version of pdf that screen 
readers cannot read?
Would appreciate any help.
Miso Kwak




From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 17:59:12 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 13:59:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading track changes in MS word with JAWS
Message-ID: <CAGpn82RVcE6YRNeYUQiuTF4tGUqaWqq+vR81hnKRmcb7uAX4bQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all, I hope that everyone is having a great semester so far. I was
just looking for any tips/advice on how to read track changes in Ms
word 2013 with JAWS 2014.
Thanks, Kayla


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 18:10:48 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:10:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading track changes in MS word with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82RVcE6YRNeYUQiuTF4tGUqaWqq+vR81hnKRmcb7uAX4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82RVcE6YRNeYUQiuTF4tGUqaWqq+vR81hnKRmcb7uAX4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADit0-tnW85gh8aU2CN+Vg-aoMLenYCik2mxbhov4Yzk=Zfe7Q@mail.gmail.com>

Kayla,
There are a few ways to handle this.
First, there is a setting in Word, which shows you what the final
version would look like without all the confusing changes, so that you
can have a smooth read through. If you to to review, there is a combo
box called "display as", and selecting display as final will show you
what the document looks like.
Second, if you activate your jaws quick keys, by doing insert+Z, you
can then navigate by comments, (m), revisions (r), and a number of
other elements. Do a search for Jaws quick key commands, and you can
come up with a full list. Good luck.
Mary

On 9/2/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I hope that everyone is having a great semester so far. I was
> just looking for any tips/advice on how to read track changes in Ms
> word 2013 with JAWS 2014.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 18:27:58 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:27:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating running head in apa format on title page
In-Reply-To: <C41CDA23-13D0-4E7A-BDAA-F8E30939376C@att.net>
References: <C41CDA23-13D0-4E7A-BDAA-F8E30939376C@att.net>
Message-ID: <000001cfc6db$9fe2eba0$dfa8c2e0$@gmail.com>

Header commands
 Alt n for insert menu, h for header, then hit enter on the blank header.  
There are other choices, but for apa style, the first header style works
just fine.  
Hit control e for center then type your heading.  
Hit control r to right align your self, then hit alt j to get to the design
tab. Tab until you hear page numbers. Hit enter.  
You should hear top of page.  Hit enter.  
Then hit enter again on number one which is the first thing you will see.  
After that, hit escape.  
Remember, if you do the heading on a separate title page, it does not always
copy over.  You should make sure your title page is apart of the paper
before doing this. 
If anyone has any other tips, feel free to assist. 
 Thanks,
 Justin.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anjelina via
nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, August 31, 2014 11:56 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating running head in apa format on title page

Good afternoon all,
For the JAWS experts out there: can you please help me create a running head
on a title page? I have read the APA directions and watched Youtube videos
with not much success.
Are there JAWWWWWWWWWWWWWS keystrokes to accomplish this taks? I am running
Office 2013 and JAWS 14.
Thanks lots,


-Anjelina
Sent from my iPad
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  2 18:44:20 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 14:44:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reading track changes in MS word with JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-tnW85gh8aU2CN+Vg-aoMLenYCik2mxbhov4Yzk=Zfe7Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82RVcE6YRNeYUQiuTF4tGUqaWqq+vR81hnKRmcb7uAX4bQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CADit0-tnW85gh8aU2CN+Vg-aoMLenYCik2mxbhov4Yzk=Zfe7Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301cfc6dd$e887f510$b997df30$@gmail.com>

Shift control e will turn on track changes without using quick keys.  You
can read through the document normally. You can then choose to accept the
changes or reject the changes using the application key.   Just figured to
give you one more way if you wanted to use it.
 You can combine elements of all three if you want.  
For example, after you finish using the quick key method, then you can turn
on track changes and just read it through. 
Use the application key to except or reject each change. 

Thanks, 
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, September 02, 2014 2:11 PM
To: Kayla Weathers; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Reading track changes in MS word with JAWS

Kayla,
There are a few ways to handle this.
First, there is a setting in Word, which shows you what the final version
would look like without all the confusing changes, so that you can have a
smooth read through. If you to to review, there is a combo box called
"display as", and selecting display as final will show you what the document
looks like.
Second, if you activate your jaws quick keys, by doing insert+Z, you can
then navigate by comments, (m), revisions (r), and a number of other
elements. Do a search for Jaws quick key commands, and you can come up with
a full list. Good luck.
Mary

On 9/2/14, Kayla Weathers via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I hope that everyone is having a great semester so far. I was 
> just looking for any tips/advice on how to read track changes in Ms 
> word 2013 with JAWS 2014.
> Thanks, Kayla
>
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>


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Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
--
Maya Angelou

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep  2 23:10:52 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 16:10:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Using Vocational Rehab's Services
In-Reply-To: <CAM6GWxx6sYLnC=DaU_8A43yqHW3RPiAnPeiTtoKxPyOxAyz93w@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CAM6GWxx6sYLnC=DaU_8A43yqHW3RPiAnPeiTtoKxPyOxAyz93w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.141.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good afternoon, Kerri,

Wow, you sound so conflicted! Don't let anyone persuade you of 
rehab's un helpfulness. Hopefully, you are assigned a counselor, to 
whom you relate, preferably,a blind one.
In a meeting, you and the counselor will draw up a plan according to 
whatever you want to do. For instance, you could address what they 
call a homemaker's plan, a plan that provides for things you may need 
within your home environment, color identifier, money identifier, 
scale, bar code reader, Victor Stream, you could even maybe get your 
counselor to back a desire/need for a computer. But, you need to take 
your role as a client seriously, that is, by doing the legwork of 
your case, any necessary researching of jobs/schools/products etc.
Should counselor believe in you as a person, as well as your 
potential as a worker, you can move mountains within the land that is rehab,!
should your counselor like you, or believe in you.
Please keep us posted, Kerri and ask if you think of more questions!
for today, Car
408-209-3239


  But  counselor  At 07:04 PM 8/12/2014, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l wrote:
>Hey Everyone:
>
>Since I can't go back to school, I have to find a job or something to do.
>What is it like using Rehab to help you find a job?
>I'm afraid they will just place me into one of those sheltered
>workshops doing something simple like for example shredding paper or
>something like that and then when I want to go back to school my
>family and my counselor will say something like "This is your job now.
>You get paid doing this," or something like that and will mess with my
>head and they will convince me I can't go back to school or anything.
>How does using Rehab to help you find a job work?
>How do blind people end up in those sheltered workshops, particularly
>the ones that pay sub-minimum wages that the NFB has been trying so
>hard to fight?
>Does Rehab just place you in a job they want/think you should have
>just to give you a job?
>Does Rehab encourage you to do research and look for jobs on your own
>or do they just dictate to you which ones they feel you should apply
>for?
>I have to make an appointment with my rehab counselor and I am really
>really scared. The counselor I have now is one I really respect. He is
>a former football player, who actually lost his eyesight playing
>football for the team/school I am a huge fan of. Because of things
>that have happened in my past (I won't go into it here, if you want to
>know more email me off-list) I really look up to, and respect males
>like my counselor who are really really into sports. Ever since I got
>this counselor back in 2011, I have always tried to do my best for
>him. Even though I was absolutely scared to death about going to
>training at LCB, I pushed myself because I wanted to do well for him
>and for him to see me as a motivated individual. After completing
>training, when I would speak to him on the phone, he was always so
>proud of me. He really thinks I am this motivated individual.
>Now, the problem is I'm really not like that. I tried going back to
>school last semester and unintentionally failed out. My counselor does
>not know this yet, and when I have this meeting I will have to tell
>him. I myself am very ashamed and embarrassed about what happened in
>school, and don't really like talking about it with anyone,
>particularly those I really look up to such as him.
>I also really know nothing when it comes to just getting a random job
>when you have no college degree. I'm not sure what I as a blind person
>I could realistically do. This again really embarrasses me, because I
>want my counselor to see me as confident, independent, and motivated.
>Would it be best to maybe apply for a couple of jobs before I go into
>the meeting so I can tell my counselor I have done a couple of things
>on my own first? I could apply to our grocery store, or maybe Walmart
>might be looking for a greeter or something like that...
>I am just so so afraid I am going into this and will end up totally
>depending on Rehab for everything and I don't want to do that.
>Because of my lack of knologe of what I want to do and such, I'm
>afraid my counselor is just going to place me in some kind of
>sheltered workshop or something like that and since I can't go back to
>school for a year, I will get comfortable in said job and then when I
>want to go back to school or something everyone will convince me
>otherwise.
>I guess I just don't want my counselor realizing how much I have
>slipped since coming back from training. He spent a lot of money to
>send me to training, and I want to be confident and such the way we
>were taught at training. But, I'm really really afraid as the meeting
>progresses he will see through me and figure things out. I just really
>struggle horribly with self-esteem issues, and when someone says to me
>"I am so proud of you I sent you to training and now your setting the
>world on fire," that makes me feel so good and I really want to
>continue to do well for that person.
>Any answers/experiences regarding rehab and your counselor you could
>share would be great!
>Thanks,
>Kerri
>
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From bunnykatie6 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 00:33:32 2014
From: bunnykatie6 at gmail.com (Katie Wang)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 20:33:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OpenBook Question
In-Reply-To: <8D194EAFBD39344-31B0-3A0E@webmail-m202.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CA+6VNgO24YzvUip_roW+eg+uisCgZHcmMELgismkJ_hFg4fYWA@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D194EAFBD39344-31B0-3A0E@webmail-m202.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CA+6VNgNitUBix96rYK6eKcbOSz79iwD3WDZRTu4bbdnUc2HALQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miso,

Yes, OpenBook does convert image-based pdfs (e.g., scanned documents)
into text, which you can save as a Word, .rtf, or .txt document. It is
manufactured by Freedom Scientific, the same company that carries
JAWS. If you are still in high school, you should talk to your TVI or
whoever is in charge of your assistive technology needs. If you are in
college, VR should be able to purchase it for you - Just ask your
counselor and explain why you need the software (in addition to
converting pdfs, OpenBook also works with a scanner, which makes
accessing  printed copies of documents much easier). Hope this helps!

Katie


On 9/2/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> After reading a few of recent email exchanges, I would like to know how
> I could obtain OpenBook program to convert pdf files into an accessible
> format.
> Does this program convert scanned, imagized version of pdf that screen
> readers cannot read?
> Would appreciate any help.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:39:36 2014
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Tue, 2 Sep 2014 20:39:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions About Using Vocational Rehab's Services
In-Reply-To: <54064e90.e4158c0a.332f.ffffcc3cSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <CAM6GWxx6sYLnC=DaU_8A43yqHW3RPiAnPeiTtoKxPyOxAyz93w@mail.gmail.com>
	<54064e90.e4158c0a.332f.ffffcc3cSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a0SYygq9azJq+PZ2f4ehbhB55cqMghL21LYQXWyodqA2g@mail.gmail.com>

Kerri,

I'm just a new graduate rehab counselor. I had long experience at voc
rehab and if you want, please give me a call or email me off-list. I
need to ask you a few specific questions. Without knowing couple
specifics, it is hard to advise you for me.

Just a couple of things:
You don't need to make happy your counselor. This is your voc goal and
no one needs to be satisfy except you. Saying that, there are federal
restrictions and state specific regulations for each state so even he
says something negative, it might be related to regulations that he
has to follow. I'm so glad you have the blinding skills through LCB
and being failure at the university has nothing to do with your to get
placed at a shelter workshop. Your counselor cannot put you one of
these places, unless you want to be.

Last thing, it is hard for any of us to tell our failure which at this
point I don't call it like that. VR agencies provide you job
developers who can help for you to determine about what you want to do
in the near or far future.

Please feel free to reach me for any advice or just have a conversation!

Email: blacklotus86 at gmail.com
Phone: 608 698 5044

Good luck!

Zeynep


2014-09-02 18:10 GMT-05:00, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Good afternoon, Kerri,
>
> Wow, you sound so conflicted! Don't let anyone persuade you of
> rehab's un helpfulness. Hopefully, you are assigned a counselor, to
> whom you relate, preferably,a blind one.
> In a meeting, you and the counselor will draw up a plan according to
> whatever you want to do. For instance, you could address what they
> call a homemaker's plan, a plan that provides for things you may need
> within your home environment, color identifier, money identifier,
> scale, bar code reader, Victor Stream, you could even maybe get your
> counselor to back a desire/need for a computer. But, you need to take
> your role as a client seriously, that is, by doing the legwork of
> your case, any necessary researching of jobs/schools/products etc.
> Should counselor believe in you as a person, as well as your
> potential as a worker, you can move mountains within the land that is
> rehab,!
> should your counselor like you, or believe in you.
> Please keep us posted, Kerri and ask if you think of more questions!
> for today, Car
> 408-209-3239
>
>
>   But  counselor  At 07:04 PM 8/12/2014, Kerri Kosten via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hey Everyone:
>>
>>Since I can't go back to school, I have to find a job or something to do.
>>What is it like using Rehab to help you find a job?
>>I'm afraid they will just place me into one of those sheltered
>>workshops doing something simple like for example shredding paper or
>>something like that and then when I want to go back to school my
>>family and my counselor will say something like "This is your job now.
>>You get paid doing this," or something like that and will mess with my
>>head and they will convince me I can't go back to school or anything.
>>How does using Rehab to help you find a job work?
>>How do blind people end up in those sheltered workshops, particularly
>>the ones that pay sub-minimum wages that the NFB has been trying so
>>hard to fight?
>>Does Rehab just place you in a job they want/think you should have
>>just to give you a job?
>>Does Rehab encourage you to do research and look for jobs on your own
>>or do they just dictate to you which ones they feel you should apply
>>for?
>>I have to make an appointment with my rehab counselor and I am really
>>really scared. The counselor I have now is one I really respect. He is
>>a former football player, who actually lost his eyesight playing
>>football for the team/school I am a huge fan of. Because of things
>>that have happened in my past (I won't go into it here, if you want to
>>know more email me off-list) I really look up to, and respect males
>>like my counselor who are really really into sports. Ever since I got
>>this counselor back in 2011, I have always tried to do my best for
>>him. Even though I was absolutely scared to death about going to
>>training at LCB, I pushed myself because I wanted to do well for him
>>and for him to see me as a motivated individual. After completing
>>training, when I would speak to him on the phone, he was always so
>>proud of me. He really thinks I am this motivated individual.
>>Now, the problem is I'm really not like that. I tried going back to
>>school last semester and unintentionally failed out. My counselor does
>>not know this yet, and when I have this meeting I will have to tell
>>him. I myself am very ashamed and embarrassed about what happened in
>>school, and don't really like talking about it with anyone,
>>particularly those I really look up to such as him.
>>I also really know nothing when it comes to just getting a random job
>>when you have no college degree. I'm not sure what I as a blind person
>>I could realistically do. This again really embarrasses me, because I
>>want my counselor to see me as confident, independent, and motivated.
>>Would it be best to maybe apply for a couple of jobs before I go into
>>the meeting so I can tell my counselor I have done a couple of things
>>on my own first? I could apply to our grocery store, or maybe Walmart
>>might be looking for a greeter or something like that...
>>I am just so so afraid I am going into this and will end up totally
>>depending on Rehab for everything and I don't want to do that.
>>Because of my lack of knologe of what I want to do and such, I'm
>>afraid my counselor is just going to place me in some kind of
>>sheltered workshop or something like that and since I can't go back to
>>school for a year, I will get comfortable in said job and then when I
>>want to go back to school or something everyone will convince me
>>otherwise.
>>I guess I just don't want my counselor realizing how much I have
>>slipped since coming back from training. He spent a lot of money to
>>send me to training, and I want to be confident and such the way we
>>were taught at training. But, I'm really really afraid as the meeting
>>progresses he will see through me and figure things out. I just really
>>struggle horribly with self-esteem issues, and when someone says to me
>>"I am so proud of you I sent you to training and now your setting the
>>world on fire," that makes me feel so good and I really want to
>>continue to do well for that person.
>>Any answers/experiences regarding rehab and your counselor you could
>>share would be great!
>>Thanks,
>>Kerri
>>
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 01:41:09 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 20:41:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Setting up an Apex for Spanish
Message-ID: <540671B5.7040608@gmail.com>

  HI guys
Hoping put my grain of salt, in easing the minds of students who are in 
school taking Spanish and are restless of how can I set up an Apex to 
work in Spanish? Here you go 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/4971019/Setting%20BrailleNote%20Apex%20in%20Spanish.mp3

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From dandrews at visi.com  Wed Sep  3 02:33:23 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 02 Sep 2014 21:33:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Power Braille 40 Display for sale
Message-ID: <auto-000166583546@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>From: Philip Ashley - BCPA <philip.ashley at gsa.gov>
>
>Dave,
>Will you please post this to the appropriate list serves?
>I am selling a Power Braille 40 for $750.  The Manual for this 
>product can be found on the Freedom Scientific website.   Please 
>email Philip at: 
><https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/h/10ft837nv2zmp/?&v=b&cs=wh&to=Philip-ashley2006 at hotmail.com>Philip-ashley2006 at hotmail.com 
>or call: <tel:202-577-6380>202-577-6380 for more information.

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org

From gera1027 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 17:31:03 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 12:31:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Letting know of desire to colaborate but with compensation?
Message-ID: <54075057.6000708@gmail.com>

  HI guys
OK the deal is that here in my area, I'm convinced I won't get a job, 
especially since the blindness culture is in diapers! thus I wonder if I 
write EMails and offer my services there, how would I clarify in the 
EMail indirectly, that I'd like to colaborate with these companies or 
organizations, but with compensation, rather than as a volunteer? I've 
written in the past EMails like these, but maybe when I put in the Email 
that I'd like compensation or salary or whatever you want to call it, 
that's what might scare off these potential people who might say yes 
otherwise? Thanks for ideas; I really really want to do something! and 
if the Internet is a possibility, why not! I won't want to clutter the 
list with details, but if anyone wants to get in contact, my Email is open.

-- 
Enviado desde mi lap
Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!



From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 17:36:51 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 10:36:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Unachievable or Unwanted: Why Is ACE Opposed to
	Accessibility Guidelines? | National Federation of the Blind
Message-ID: <CA39203A-CB86-48F1-8FE2-CCC8BFB4034C@gmail.com>

Good morning,
I was reading this post and I was/am very interested to hear what you think about the below blog post as this has everything to do with us as students.
The link can be found here: 
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines

From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 19:40:11 2014
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
Message-ID: <CAOiA0StthqXcY8k8dWRhUiUko9ApEo1xXUVaKvhL6rQ+eB+vjw@mail.gmail.com>

Dear NABS Members,
For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet. I was first
clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that I am
in high school, I am taking on marching band.
Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until we
started marching. I was doing ok with marching forward, but now, I am
doing the slide steps. These are when your torso and face are facing
one way while you're marching the other way. I am now continuously
drifting away, and I have no control over it.
My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and now
she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my section
leader refuses to use it. I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
quitting.
Please help!
JJ

-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)


From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 19:40:44 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:40:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Unachievable or Unwanted: Why Is ACE Opposed to
 Accessibility Guidelines? | National Federation of the Blind
In-Reply-To: <CA39203A-CB86-48F1-8FE2-CCC8BFB4034C@gmail.com>
References: <CA39203A-CB86-48F1-8FE2-CCC8BFB4034C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJMVeY1EbGmM-aZt8m+m7ugVuhTtm+NRrgsE0L7i8vg+J08+dA@mail.gmail.com>

I think the ACE statement would be more valid if they explained how
the proposal harms those it is trying to help and how it is an
impossible mandate.

The idea that proposals that are meant to help a specific group ends
up harming them is not impossible and it has happened before, and
impossible mandates are common when it comes to government
regulations, but if ACE doesn't elaborate, then the statement makes no
sense to me and does make it sound like they are opposed to accessible
technology.

Sofia

On 9/3/14, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning,
> I was reading this post and I was/am very interested to hear what you think
> about the below blog post as this has everything to do with us as students.
> The link can be found here:
> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Wed Sep  3 19:47:58 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 15:47:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0StthqXcY8k8dWRhUiUko9ApEo1xXUVaKvhL6rQ+eB+vjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StthqXcY8k8dWRhUiUko9ApEo1xXUVaKvhL6rQ+eB+vjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D195C718F46C82-4B8-EA0B@webmail-vd006.sysops.aol.com>

Johnnie,
Wonderful to hear from you.
I am Miso, and to briefly introduce myself and my experiences, I am a 
current college sophomore who marched in high school for four years as 
a almost totally blind flutist.
I have used the teather method which I used for only one year.
I suggest getting a student who could help you as a guider.
I have considered quitting marching band myself but stuck through and I 
would not trade anything for all the experiences and lessons I got out 
of the band.
Please feel free to write to me off list if you would like. Also, I am 
willing to speak with your TVI and/or band director if they would like 
to have a contact with a student who has marched in highschool.
kwakmiso at aol.com
Cheers,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 12:40 pm
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band

Dear NABS Members,
For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet. I was first
clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that I am
in high school, I am taking on marching band.
Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until we
started marching. I was doing ok with marching forward, but now, I am
doing the slide steps. These are when your torso and face are facing
one way while you're marching the other way. I am now continuously
drifting away, and I have no control over it.
My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and now
she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my section
leader refuses to use it. I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
quitting.
Please help!
JJ

--
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)

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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 20:06:00 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 16:06:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: For Those Who Are Interested,
 Check Out Some Great A Cappella Music Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+wHu+0ATABe-q=KgOjGkvTE_1qHEFir4=bL=mOiJgbYqg@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings Bell Hoppers, Or Bell Listeners, Smile!
After a mini break, A Cappellas Anonymous returns to The Bell tonight
at 7 PM US eastern, and there's quite a show in store for you.
Hear some of the new editions I've made to my a cappella library.
Take a trip to Disney World with the Once Upon A Never After magic of Voice Play
Check out this summer's top ten hits, condensed into a fun little a ca
pella hodge podge.
Meet a lady who can not just swing from the chandelier, but sing about it too.
New Peter Hollens music
And more.

During the show, I can be reached via Skype at
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Via twitter at
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Or via telephone at
516 945 9165
And to tune in, go to
http://the-bell.net/listen
and use the browser player provided, or listen with your favorite media player.
Enjoy, and there's some vocal awesomeness in store for you tonight!
>From David Dunphy


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Sep  3 22:05:44 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joeph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 17:05:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
In-Reply-To: <CAOiA0StthqXcY8k8dWRhUiUko9ApEo1xXUVaKvhL6rQ+eB+vjw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAOiA0StthqXcY8k8dWRhUiUko9ApEo1xXUVaKvhL6rQ+eB+vjw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU405-EAS1110CCC718FB36C1DE007A2CEC40@phx.gbl>

Hello JJ, how about finding somebody else who is willing to work with you using a tether is that an option? Or even asking somebody just to kind of correct you. Want to even be better, especially if you don't want to be touched.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 3, 2014, at 2:41 PM, "johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS Members,
> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet. I was first
> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that I am
> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until we
> started marching. I was doing ok with marching forward, but now, I am
> doing the slide steps. These are when your torso and face are facing
> one way while you're marching the other way. I am now continuously
> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and now
> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my section
> leader refuses to use it. I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
> quitting.
> Please help!
> JJ
> 
> -- 
> Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
> 9th Grade Student
> Alameda International High School
> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
> Chapter of the NFB.
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
> Skype: jj.duran13
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Wed Sep  3 22:48:02 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Wed, 03 Sep 2014 15:48:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
Message-ID: <54079adc.c4f9440a.01ab.542f@mx.google.com>


Hi,

Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years 
now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as 
one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her 
your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my 
shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people 
ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand 
immediately.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band

Dear NABS Members,
For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was 
first
clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that 
I am
in high school, I am taking on marching band.
Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until 
we
started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now, 
I am
doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are 
facing
one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now 
continuously
drifting away, and I have no control over it.
My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and 
now
she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my 
section
leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
quitting.
Please help!
JJ

--
Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado 
(NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North 
Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)

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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Sep  4 00:16:13 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 20:16:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
In-Reply-To: <54079adc.c4f9440a.01ab.542f@mx.google.com>
References: <54079adc.c4f9440a.01ab.542f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D195EC91FFA14E-323C-10076@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com>

What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
 From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with parades 
and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems to 
be doing.
Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be done 
with the guider.
My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive 
parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching, 
sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the 
best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not 
every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field show, 
it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may 
disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should 
serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given 
that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people 
who are willing.
In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is 
willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest 
musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of 
your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able to 
get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student if 
that is necessary.
Best regards,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band


Hi,

Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
immediately.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band

Dear NABS Members,
For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
first
clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
I am
in high school, I am taking on marching band.
Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
we
started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
I am
doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
facing
one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
continuously
drifting away, and I have no control over it.
My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
now
she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
section
leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
quitting.
Please help!
JJ

--
Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
(NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 02:18:28 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:18:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
In-Reply-To: <8D195EC91FFA14E-323C-10076@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com>
References: <54079adc.c4f9440a.01ab.542f@mx.google.com>
	<8D195EC91FFA14E-323C-10076@webmail-d172.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbNV3uu3EgMQ6HcSADb9snUzjBey-cYA6M1M2up18z2Mw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Johnnie,

It's great that you're marching!  Marching band can be very
challenging to figure out alternative techniques for, as it is a very
intense physical activity which requires a blind person to also
exercise their spatial awareness.  To give you a background on my
experiences in marching, I am also a clarinetist, and began marching
with my high school when I was in the 8th grade.  I marched for 5
seasons with them, then for two more years with the band at my
college.  In both groups I have found some things that have worked for
me, some ways to approach working with section leaders and directors
to make everything work a little more seamlessly, and ways to even
adapt the drill so you can independently read it.  I'll tell you what
worked for me, and feel free to ask questions or contact me off list
if you would like more information.

I had a pretty rough start to marching band myself.  My director had
never had a blind student in the band before, and I was not the most
coordinated kid.  Being one of the only middle school students invited
to play with the high school, I was also very intimidated by my older
peers.  I was lucky to get a great senior section leader, who was next
to me in every set.  We were a competition band though, so a lot of
our drill required me to move in curved lines, make different shapes
with the band for our sets, and be very attentive to where I was going
so I could line up with others.  We were hesitant to use a guide or a
tether, because we were worried judges would take off points.  I'm
sure we would have used a guide if we had to, but I was able to
develop techniques that allowed me to work without one.  If you do opt
to use a guide though, I'd see if a staff member could do it rather
than another member of the band.  I recommend this for several
reasons, mainly so the sets don't have to be totally rewritten to
accommodate the hole that would be created by pulling a band member
out of the sets they already have.  Also, having a staff member out of
uniform stand behind you sends a clearer picture to the judges.  It is
much easier for them to focus on the band and forget about the staff
member behind you than for them to question why two people in the same
outfit are marching one behind the other.  It's less likely that the
judges will assume something is wrong, because judges who have never
seen a blind person in a marching band will probably not pick up on
the reason for the guide from where they're sitting and while they're
focused on their score cards.

If the section leader is unwilling to work with you, that is
definitely something to bring up to the director.  A section leader's
job is to assist the people in their section, and even though this is
a different kind of situation from what most section leaders will have
to work with, it's still their job.  You don't have to taddle on the
person because that certainly won't fix the problem, but maybe the you
and the director can brainstorm some ways in which your section leader
can better help you.  Perhaps they're just unsure of what to do or
feel overwhelmed, so they're hesitant to do the work.  I can say from
experience though that the first year is when the foundations for the
techniques is laid, so having a section leader on board with you can
make all the difference.  I'd also see if you could find some other
members of your section to help out with different tasks.  For
instance, though my section leader helped me to refine my technique in
that first year, I asked other members of my section to help when she
wasn't available to read dot sheets or to check my horn angle.  This
shows the section leader that the responsibility isn't totally on
them, and lets them know that although their help is valuable to you,
you are taking ownership of your own learning and are willing to seek
other sources.  Other upperclassmen in the section should be willing
to help you with other things as well.

Learning slide steps just takes a while for any rookie to master,
because you have to get muscle memory.  Even veterain marchers need to
review it at the beginning of every season, and most bands review it
throughout the year because tapes will show sloppy shoulders, awkward
horn angles, and other issues that need to be fixed mid-season for
continued improvement.  You are definitely not alone in struggling to
slide.  What really helped me to get the hang of sliding was to have
my section leader guide me as I marched sideways.  They gently put
their hands on my shoulders, and follow me as I march.  They'll apply
pressure on the front or back of my shoulders to keep me from sliding
forward or backwards as I go sideways.  This exercise can get your
torso used to twisting the correct way, and once you get the muscle
memory marching in slides should be much easier.

Listening to those around me has also been a big help.  It will take
practice, but after a while you'll start to focus on what those around
you are playing.  After a while in band I would be able to use the
people on either side of me as beacons, so I knew if they sounded
farther away than usual, if our line was continuing to move in a
particular direction, etc.  You should also know this information from
your dot sheets, but the sound is another tool you can use to help.

For reading documents independently, my college marching band director
and I came up with a really great system that works wonderfully.
Instead of giving me a dot sheet along with the band, he will email me
my coordinates, which I can braille onto index cards.  I can punch a
hole in the top right corner of each card, and slide them onto one of
those metal rings.  The ring is easily clipped onto a belt loop, or
can hang on my right thumb while I'm playing so it doesn't get in the
way of the keys.  This is great because I don't have to rely on others
around me to look at my coordinates.  It takes a little more time to
braille out the cards, but you can put multiple sets on each card so
they'll fit.  Be sure to label the cards with the sets that they
contain to make finding the set you need faster.  Having that bit of
freedom in rehearsals is so worth the extra time.

I think the secret to learning how to march for anyone is just finding
what methods work for them.  I'm very sensitive to changes in
lighting, so for the first year or so my biggest struggle was refining
my technique so I could still continue to march when we were marching
into a setting sun and I couldn't see anything, or if I was having a
bad visual day and everything had a halo.  I had to learn how to
accommodate for altered depth perception, to not being able to guide
to my right and to not being able to guide at all in certain lighting
situations, and to realizing that even if I am precisely on my dot,
the important thing is to go where the band goes over where you are
supposed to go, even if you know that it is wrong.  Every person is
going to find some technique that works for them, so I would encourage
you to stick it out at least for this first year to see how you like
it.  Marching band can be really rewarding once you figure out the
tips and tricks that work for you, it just takes a little while to
find what they are.

Feel free to email me off list with any other questions you might have.
Kaiti.


On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
>  From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with parades
> and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems to
> be doing.
> Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be done
> with the guider.
> My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive
> parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching,
> sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
> Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the
> best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not
> every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
> Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field show,
> it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may
> disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should
> serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
> If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given
> that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people
> who are willing.
> In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is
> willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest
> musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
> However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of
> your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
> Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able to
> get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student if
> that is necessary.
> Best regards,
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
> now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
> one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
> your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
> shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
> ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
> immediately.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>
> Dear NABS Members,
> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
> first
> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
> I am
> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
> we
> started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
> I am
> doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
> facing
> one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
> continuously
> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
> now
> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
> section
> leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
> quitting.
> Please help!
> JJ
>
> --
> Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
> 9th Grade Student
> Alameda International High School
> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
> (NFBCO),
> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
> Metro
> Chapter of the NFB.
> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
> Skype: jj.duran13
> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
>
> _______________________________________________
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>
>
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 02:29:10 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 22:29:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
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Message-ID: <CAFja7FauOHp4z4eMzUuqRiKDaAhg9-wkdbVYsj2+0cps0J_W4g@mail.gmail.com>

Also, another trick I found useful is to show your section leader some
appreciation for what they're doing to help you.  It doesn't have to
be something extravagant, but maybe give them something to show you're
appreciative every once in a while.  Sometimes that sort of thing can
go a long way.  I gave my first section leader a cute little picture
frame with a bunch of pictures of our section in it, since she was a
senior, but other times I've put together little goodie bags as well.
These are great for when your band has bus rides to football games or
shows.  I typically put a Gatorade or Poweraid in there, some candy,
and a bag of chips with a thank you note.  It seems small, but it can
go a long way in making the section leader feel like the time they
work with you means something important to you.  I also usually baked
something at least once during every high school season and brought it
in for the section to share, so other people who helped me out on the
field would feel the same sort of thing.  I made the sweets I baked
open to everyone in the section, but when offering it to certain
people who help I'd just tell them thanks as they took their
brownie/cookie/whatever.  These are relatively small things you can do
to make people a little more willing to look out for your placement on
the field during the rehearsals, not get impatient if it takes you
longer to correct a wrong set, etc.

On 9/3/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Johnnie,
>
> It's great that you're marching!  Marching band can be very
> challenging to figure out alternative techniques for, as it is a very
> intense physical activity which requires a blind person to also
> exercise their spatial awareness.  To give you a background on my
> experiences in marching, I am also a clarinetist, and began marching
> with my high school when I was in the 8th grade.  I marched for 5
> seasons with them, then for two more years with the band at my
> college.  In both groups I have found some things that have worked for
> me, some ways to approach working with section leaders and directors
> to make everything work a little more seamlessly, and ways to even
> adapt the drill so you can independently read it.  I'll tell you what
> worked for me, and feel free to ask questions or contact me off list
> if you would like more information.
>
> I had a pretty rough start to marching band myself.  My director had
> never had a blind student in the band before, and I was not the most
> coordinated kid.  Being one of the only middle school students invited
> to play with the high school, I was also very intimidated by my older
> peers.  I was lucky to get a great senior section leader, who was next
> to me in every set.  We were a competition band though, so a lot of
> our drill required me to move in curved lines, make different shapes
> with the band for our sets, and be very attentive to where I was going
> so I could line up with others.  We were hesitant to use a guide or a
> tether, because we were worried judges would take off points.  I'm
> sure we would have used a guide if we had to, but I was able to
> develop techniques that allowed me to work without one.  If you do opt
> to use a guide though, I'd see if a staff member could do it rather
> than another member of the band.  I recommend this for several
> reasons, mainly so the sets don't have to be totally rewritten to
> accommodate the hole that would be created by pulling a band member
> out of the sets they already have.  Also, having a staff member out of
> uniform stand behind you sends a clearer picture to the judges.  It is
> much easier for them to focus on the band and forget about the staff
> member behind you than for them to question why two people in the same
> outfit are marching one behind the other.  It's less likely that the
> judges will assume something is wrong, because judges who have never
> seen a blind person in a marching band will probably not pick up on
> the reason for the guide from where they're sitting and while they're
> focused on their score cards.
>
> If the section leader is unwilling to work with you, that is
> definitely something to bring up to the director.  A section leader's
> job is to assist the people in their section, and even though this is
> a different kind of situation from what most section leaders will have
> to work with, it's still their job.  You don't have to taddle on the
> person because that certainly won't fix the problem, but maybe the you
> and the director can brainstorm some ways in which your section leader
> can better help you.  Perhaps they're just unsure of what to do or
> feel overwhelmed, so they're hesitant to do the work.  I can say from
> experience though that the first year is when the foundations for the
> techniques is laid, so having a section leader on board with you can
> make all the difference.  I'd also see if you could find some other
> members of your section to help out with different tasks.  For
> instance, though my section leader helped me to refine my technique in
> that first year, I asked other members of my section to help when she
> wasn't available to read dot sheets or to check my horn angle.  This
> shows the section leader that the responsibility isn't totally on
> them, and lets them know that although their help is valuable to you,
> you are taking ownership of your own learning and are willing to seek
> other sources.  Other upperclassmen in the section should be willing
> to help you with other things as well.
>
> Learning slide steps just takes a while for any rookie to master,
> because you have to get muscle memory.  Even veterain marchers need to
> review it at the beginning of every season, and most bands review it
> throughout the year because tapes will show sloppy shoulders, awkward
> horn angles, and other issues that need to be fixed mid-season for
> continued improvement.  You are definitely not alone in struggling to
> slide.  What really helped me to get the hang of sliding was to have
> my section leader guide me as I marched sideways.  They gently put
> their hands on my shoulders, and follow me as I march.  They'll apply
> pressure on the front or back of my shoulders to keep me from sliding
> forward or backwards as I go sideways.  This exercise can get your
> torso used to twisting the correct way, and once you get the muscle
> memory marching in slides should be much easier.
>
> Listening to those around me has also been a big help.  It will take
> practice, but after a while you'll start to focus on what those around
> you are playing.  After a while in band I would be able to use the
> people on either side of me as beacons, so I knew if they sounded
> farther away than usual, if our line was continuing to move in a
> particular direction, etc.  You should also know this information from
> your dot sheets, but the sound is another tool you can use to help.
>
> For reading documents independently, my college marching band director
> and I came up with a really great system that works wonderfully.
> Instead of giving me a dot sheet along with the band, he will email me
> my coordinates, which I can braille onto index cards.  I can punch a
> hole in the top right corner of each card, and slide them onto one of
> those metal rings.  The ring is easily clipped onto a belt loop, or
> can hang on my right thumb while I'm playing so it doesn't get in the
> way of the keys.  This is great because I don't have to rely on others
> around me to look at my coordinates.  It takes a little more time to
> braille out the cards, but you can put multiple sets on each card so
> they'll fit.  Be sure to label the cards with the sets that they
> contain to make finding the set you need faster.  Having that bit of
> freedom in rehearsals is so worth the extra time.
>
> I think the secret to learning how to march for anyone is just finding
> what methods work for them.  I'm very sensitive to changes in
> lighting, so for the first year or so my biggest struggle was refining
> my technique so I could still continue to march when we were marching
> into a setting sun and I couldn't see anything, or if I was having a
> bad visual day and everything had a halo.  I had to learn how to
> accommodate for altered depth perception, to not being able to guide
> to my right and to not being able to guide at all in certain lighting
> situations, and to realizing that even if I am precisely on my dot,
> the important thing is to go where the band goes over where you are
> supposed to go, even if you know that it is wrong.  Every person is
> going to find some technique that works for them, so I would encourage
> you to stick it out at least for this first year to see how you like
> it.  Marching band can be really rewarding once you figure out the
> tips and tricks that work for you, it just takes a little while to
> find what they are.
>
> Feel free to email me off list with any other questions you might have.
> Kaiti.
>
>
> On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
>>  From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with parades
>> and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems to
>> be doing.
>> Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be done
>> with the guider.
>> My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive
>> parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching,
>> sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
>> Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the
>> best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not
>> every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
>> Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field show,
>> it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may
>> disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should
>> serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
>> If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given
>> that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people
>> who are willing.
>> In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is
>> willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest
>> musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
>> However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of
>> your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
>> Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able to
>> get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student if
>> that is necessary.
>> Best regards,
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
>> now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
>> one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
>> your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
>> shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
>> ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
>> immediately.
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>
>> Dear NABS Members,
>> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
>> first
>> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
>> I am
>> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
>> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
>> we
>> started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
>> I am
>> doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
>> facing
>> one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
>> continuously
>> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
>> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
>> now
>> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
>> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
>> section
>> leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
>> quitting.
>> Please help!
>> JJ
>>
>> --
>> Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
>> 9th Grade Student
>> Alameda International High School
>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
>> (NFBCO),
>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
>> Metro
>> Chapter of the NFB.
>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
>> Skype: jj.duran13
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info
>> for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/marissat789%4
>> 0gmail.com
>>
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>>
>>
>>
>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>


-- 
Kaiti


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Sep  4 03:10:29 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 23:10:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
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Kaiti brought up a great point.
Section leader(s) are responsible for everyone in the section. This 
being said, section leaders are also students(just upper classmen with 
more experiences) so it is normal for anybody in the band to have 
whichever kinds of problems while going through the season.
In addition to expressing your gratitude through small gifts such as 
baked goods, etc make sure to always acknowledge positive aspects while 
being assertive with your needs and desires when conversing with your 
leaders and staff.
Also, remember that your leaders and staff are your resource. If your 
band has assistant drum major(s) and/or instructors in addition to your 
director ask them for help in finetuning your posture, horn angle, step 
size, whatever it may be. I used to ask my marching instructor to help 
me with improve postures or execution of certain techniques outside of 
our rehearsal time when I felt the need to do so.
I am going to echo Kaiti in that the key here is to find what works for 
you and the band. I was able to work with a student guider because of a 
large sized band in which not everyone in the marching band was 
selected to competitively march and it was not necessary for the guider 
to be in the middle of the marching block. I know a student who has 
marched field shows with a student guider and I have read an article in 
which student just relied on verbal cues and sound cues when marching 
in a field band.
I almost quit marching band myself in earlier years of high school but 
I am beyond glad I stuck through.
Hope things will work out in favor of you as well as the band as a 
whole.
Best,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 7:29 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band

Also, another trick I found useful is to show your section leader some
appreciation for what they're doing to help you.  It doesn't have to
be something extravagant, but maybe give them something to show you're
appreciative every once in a while.  Sometimes that sort of thing can
go a long way.  I gave my first section leader a cute little picture
frame with a bunch of pictures of our section in it, since she was a
senior, but other times I've put together little goodie bags as well.
These are great for when your band has bus rides to football games or
shows.  I typically put a Gatorade or Poweraid in there, some candy,
and a bag of chips with a thank you note.  It seems small, but it can
go a long way in making the section leader feel like the time they
work with you means something important to you.  I also usually baked
something at least once during every high school season and brought it
in for the section to share, so other people who helped me out on the
field would feel the same sort of thing.  I made the sweets I baked
open to everyone in the section, but when offering it to certain
people who help I'd just tell them thanks as they took their
brownie/cookie/whatever.  These are relatively small things you can do
to make people a little more willing to look out for your placement on
the field during the rehearsals, not get impatient if it takes you
longer to correct a wrong set, etc.

On 9/3/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi, Johnnie,
>
> It's great that you're marching!  Marching band can be very
> challenging to figure out alternative techniques for, as it is a very
> intense physical activity which requires a blind person to also
> exercise their spatial awareness.  To give you a background on my
> experiences in marching, I am also a clarinetist, and began marching
> with my high school when I was in the 8th grade.  I marched for 5
> seasons with them, then for two more years with the band at my
> college.  In both groups I have found some things that have worked for
> me, some ways to approach working with section leaders and directors
> to make everything work a little more seamlessly, and ways to even
> adapt the drill so you can independently read it.  I'll tell you what
> worked for me, and feel free to ask questions or contact me off list
> if you would like more information.
>
> I had a pretty rough start to marching band myself.  My director had
> never had a blind student in the band before, and I was not the most
> coordinated kid.  Being one of the only middle school students invited
> to play with the high school, I was also very intimidated by my older
> peers.  I was lucky to get a great senior section leader, who was next
> to me in every set.  We were a competition band though, so a lot of
> our drill required me to move in curved lines, make different shapes
> with the band for our sets, and be very attentive to where I was going
> so I could line up with others.  We were hesitant to use a guide or a
> tether, because we were worried judges would take off points.  I'm
> sure we would have used a guide if we had to, but I was able to
> develop techniques that allowed me to work without one.  If you do opt
> to use a guide though, I'd see if a staff member could do it rather
> than another member of the band.  I recommend this for several
> reasons, mainly so the sets don't have to be totally rewritten to
> accommodate the hole that would be created by pulling a band member
> out of the sets they already have.  Also, having a staff member out of
> uniform stand behind you sends a clearer picture to the judges.  It is
> much easier for them to focus on the band and forget about the staff
> member behind you than for them to question why two people in the same
> outfit are marching one behind the other.  It's less likely that the
> judges will assume something is wrong, because judges who have never
> seen a blind person in a marching band will probably not pick up on
> the reason for the guide from where they're sitting and while they're
> focused on their score cards.
>
> If the section leader is unwilling to work with you, that is
> definitely something to bring up to the director.  A section leader's
> job is to assist the people in their section, and even though this is
> a different kind of situation from what most section leaders will have
> to work with, it's still their job.  You don't have to taddle on the
> person because that certainly won't fix the problem, but maybe the you
> and the director can brainstorm some ways in which your section leader
> can better help you.  Perhaps they're just unsure of what to do or
> feel overwhelmed, so they're hesitant to do the work.  I can say from
> experience though that the first year is when the foundations for the
> techniques is laid, so having a section leader on board with you can
> make all the difference.  I'd also see if you could find some other
> members of your section to help out with different tasks.  For
> instance, though my section leader helped me to refine my technique in
> that first year, I asked other members of my section to help when she
> wasn't available to read dot sheets or to check my horn angle.  This
> shows the section leader that the responsibility isn't totally on
> them, and lets them know that although their help is valuable to you,
> you are taking ownership of your own learning and are willing to seek
> other sources.  Other upperclassmen in the section should be willing
> to help you with other things as well.
>
> Learning slide steps just takes a while for any rookie to master,
> because you have to get muscle memory.  Even veterain marchers need to
> review it at the beginning of every season, and most bands review it
> throughout the year because tapes will show sloppy shoulders, awkward
> horn angles, and other issues that need to be fixed mid-season for
> continued improvement.  You are definitely not alone in struggling to
> slide.  What really helped me to get the hang of sliding was to have
> my section leader guide me as I marched sideways.  They gently put
> their hands on my shoulders, and follow me as I march.  They'll apply
> pressure on the front or back of my shoulders to keep me from sliding
> forward or backwards as I go sideways.  This exercise can get your
> torso used to twisting the correct way, and once you get the muscle
> memory marching in slides should be much easier.
>
> Listening to those around me has also been a big help.  It will take
> practice, but after a while you'll start to focus on what those around
> you are playing.  After a while in band I would be able to use the
> people on either side of me as beacons, so I knew if they sounded
> farther away than usual, if our line was continuing to move in a
> particular direction, etc.  You should also know this information from
> your dot sheets, but the sound is another tool you can use to help.
>
> For reading documents independently, my college marching band director
> and I came up with a really great system that works wonderfully.
> Instead of giving me a dot sheet along with the band, he will email me
> my coordinates, which I can braille onto index cards.  I can punch a
> hole in the top right corner of each card, and slide them onto one of
> those metal rings.  The ring is easily clipped onto a belt loop, or
> can hang on my right thumb while I'm playing so it doesn't get in the
> way of the keys.  This is great because I don't have to rely on others
> around me to look at my coordinates.  It takes a little more time to
> braille out the cards, but you can put multiple sets on each card so
> they'll fit.  Be sure to label the cards with the sets that they
> contain to make finding the set you need faster.  Having that bit of
> freedom in rehearsals is so worth the extra time.
>
> I think the secret to learning how to march for anyone is just finding
> what methods work for them.  I'm very sensitive to changes in
> lighting, so for the first year or so my biggest struggle was refining
> my technique so I could still continue to march when we were marching
> into a setting sun and I couldn't see anything, or if I was having a
> bad visual day and everything had a halo.  I had to learn how to
> accommodate for altered depth perception, to not being able to guide
> to my right and to not being able to guide at all in certain lighting
> situations, and to realizing that even if I am precisely on my dot,
> the important thing is to go where the band goes over where you are
> supposed to go, even if you know that it is wrong.  Every person is
> going to find some technique that works for them, so I would encourage
> you to stick it out at least for this first year to see how you like
> it.  Marching band can be really rewarding once you figure out the
> tips and tricks that work for you, it just takes a little while to
> find what they are.
>
> Feel free to email me off list with any other questions you might 
have.
> Kaiti.
>
>
> On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
>>  From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with 
parades
>> and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems 
to
>> be doing.
>> Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be 
done
>> with the guider.
>> My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive
>> parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching,
>> sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
>> Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the
>> best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not
>> every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
>> Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field 
show,
>> it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may
>> disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should
>> serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
>> If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given
>> that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people
>> who are willing.
>> In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is
>> willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest
>> musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
>> However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of
>> your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
>> Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able 
to
>> get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student 
if
>> that is necessary.
>> Best regards,
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National 
Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
>> now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
>> one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
>> your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
>> shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
>> ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
>> immediately.
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>
>> Dear NABS Members,
>> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
>> first
>> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
>> I am
>> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
>> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
>> we
>> started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
>> I am
>> doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
>> facing
>> one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
>> continuously
>> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
>> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
>> now
>> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
>> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
>> section
>> leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
>> quitting.
>> Please help!
>> JJ
>>
>> --
>> Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
>> 9th Grade Student
>> Alameda International High School
>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
>> (NFBCO),
>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
>> Metro
>> Chapter of the NFB.
>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
>> Skype: jj.duran13
>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
>>
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>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>


--
Kaiti





From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 17:20:27 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 13:20:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] spss
Message-ID: <01b501cfc864$85d13980$9173ac80$@gmail.com>

Are there any jaws keystrokes for spss?  Are there any JAWS tips for using
spss?  

Also, if anyone has any tips for pspp, I would thank you very much if you
shared them with me.  I have a stat class that I am just starting this
semester.  Thanks,

Justin. 


From freethaught at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 18:15:37 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:15:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare trouble
Message-ID: <B116A694-B4C6-4A2B-AF39-35FDC8DA452C@gmail.com>

Hi all,

I am trying to download books from Bookshare on my Braille Sense. I tried a couple of steps to reset my password, but I am not able to put in for a support ticket.

First, I logged in, and requested a password reset email be sent to me. I got a message on the web page saying this procedure was submitted successfully, but I never received the reset email.

then I tried to go to the support pages, but could not locate a “log a support request” link.

Any thoughts?

Antonio

From freethaught at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 18:35:39 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:35:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Letting know of desire to colaborate but with
	compensation?
In-Reply-To: <54075057.6000708@gmail.com>
References: <54075057.6000708@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <17FDECE4-34CA-48EE-A246-EF9147510CA1@gmail.com>

Herardo,

I am sorry you are having such a difficult time of finding employment with compensation.

However, I realize you have potential, and that you are being discriminated for having a disability.

I don’t know how the work and blindness culture of attitudes on blindness works in Mexico.

Your approach to write emails to offer your services may work, but I see no way to ask indirectly for something that should be agreed on like payment for your services. I see no way around it. You are offering a valued service, and companies should be paying for them. You value your skills, obviously. The problem seems to be that businesses do not value services if they come from blind people.

This is discriminatory, and I don’t know what you can do to avoid or address it in your country. But there is no way to suggest that you want to get payed for the work you do except to directly state you charge for it. That is the only way you show you value your time and skills. Communicating your needs to the company is how you show them you mean business. The only way to assert yourself in this case is to offer a service others are willing to pay for.

this is not an easy battle, and i wish you luck.

Regards,

Antonio
On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> HI guys
> OK the deal is that here in my area, I'm convinced I won't get a job, especially since the blindness culture is in diapers! thus I wonder if I write EMails and offer my services there, how would I clarify in the EMail indirectly, that I'd like to colaborate with these companies or organizations, but with compensation, rather than as a volunteer? I've written in the past EMails like these, but maybe when I put in the Email that I'd like compensation or salary or whatever you want to call it, that's what might scare off these potential people who might say yes otherwise? Thanks for ideas; I really really want to do something! and if the Internet is a possibility, why not! I won't want to clutter the list with details, but if anyone wants to get in contact, my Email is open.
> 
> -- 
> Enviado desde mi lap
> Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
> Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
> RompiendoBarreras espacio de psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
> 
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From icdxpetras at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 19:15:19 2014
From: icdxpetras at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 12:15:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare trouble
Message-ID: <5408ba4d.4cd2440a.2b9e.6fef@mx.google.com>

Did=20you=20type=20the=20email=201disress=20incorrctly?=20I=20had=20a=20sim=
ilar=20
problem=20and=20the=20email=20address=20wasn't=20correct.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Antonio=20Guimaraes=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Thu,=204=20Sep=202014=2014:15:37=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Bookshare=20trouble

Hi=20all,

I=20am=20trying=20to=20download=20books=20from=20Bookshare=20on=20my=20Brai=
lle=20Sense.=20=20
I=20tried=20a=20couple=20of=20steps=20to=20reset=20my=20password,=20but=20I=
=20am=20not=20able=20
to=20put=20in=20for=20a=20support=20ticket.

First,=20I=20logged=20in,=20and=20requested=20a=20password=20reset=20email=
=20be=20sent=20
to=20me.=20=20I=20got=20a=20message=20on=20the=20web=20page=20saying=20this=
=20procedure=20was=20
submitted=20successfully,=20but=20I=20never=20received=20the=20reset=20emai=
l.

then=20I=20tried=20to=20go=20to=20the=20support=20pages,=20but=20could=20no=
t=20locate=20a=20
=93log=20a=20support=20request=94=20link.

Any=20thoughts?

Antonio
_______________________________________________
nabs-l=20mailing=20list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
unt=20info=20
for=20nabs-l:
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gmail.com



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Sep  4 22:21:35 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 04 Sep 2014 18:21:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare trouble
Message-ID: <5408e621.8835e00a.3e3c.23f6@mx.google.com>

Try=20using=20the=20"contact=20us"=20link=20that's=20on=20the=20bottom=20of=
=20every=20
page.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Antonio=20Guimaraes=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Thu,=204=20Sep=202014=2014:15:37=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20Bookshare=20trouble

Hi=20all,

I=20am=20trying=20to=20download=20books=20from=20Bookshare=20on=20my=20Brai=
lle=20Sense.=20
I=20tried=20a=20couple=20of=20steps=20to=20reset=20my=20password,=20but=20I=
=20am=20not=20able=20
to=20put=20in=20for=20a=20support=20ticket.

First,=20I=20logged=20in,=20and=20requested=20a=20password=20reset=20email=
=20be=20sent=20
to=20me.=20I=20got=20a=20message=20on=20the=20web=20page=20saying=20this=20=
procedure=20was=20
submitted=20successfully,=20but=20I=20never=20received=20the=20reset=20emai=
l.

then=20I=20tried=20to=20go=20to=20the=20support=20pages,=20but=20could=20no=
t=20locate=20a=20
=93log=20a=20support=20request=94=20link.

Any=20thoughts?

Antonio
_______________________________________________
nabs-l=20mailing=20list
nabs-l at nfbnet.org
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
To=20unsubscribe,=20change=20your=20list=20options=20or=20get=20your=20acco=
unt=20info=20
for=20nabs-l:
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kmaent1%40gma
il.com



From gpaikens at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 00:42:19 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 20:42:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare trouble
In-Reply-To: <5408e621.8835e00a.3e3c.23f6@mx.google.com>
References: <5408e621.8835e00a.3e3c.23f6@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <EC28439C-4139-4E6E-AD18-2709B28A9E9C@gmail.com>

Check your junk mail folder for the reset password eamil.
On Sep 4, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Try using the "contact us" link that's on the bottom of every page.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Antonio Guimaraes via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 4 Sep 2014 14:15:37 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookshare trouble
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am trying to download books from Bookshare on my Braille Sense. I tried a couple of steps to reset my password, but I am not able to put in for a support ticket.
> 
> First, I logged in, and requested a password reset email be sent to me. I got a message on the web page saying this procedure was submitted successfully, but I never received the reset email.
> 
> then I tried to go to the support pages, but could not locate a “log a support request” link.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Antonio
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 22:13:29 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:13:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <C96040F0-89A8-440E-B26E-AA9484B1929C@gmail.com>

Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I’m 20 years old, totally blind with light perception.
I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
Take care everyone.
Mabelin

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Sep  5 22:33:07 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:33:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
In-Reply-To: <C96040F0-89A8-440E-B26E-AA9484B1929C@gmail.com>
References: <C96040F0-89A8-440E-B26E-AA9484B1929C@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP725C171ADB490C92CF6986CEC20@phx.gbl>

Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you here welcome to the group.
On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I’m 20 years old, totally blind with light perception.
> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> Take care everyone.
> Mabelin
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 22:34:23 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:34:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Good to have you.

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via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:33 PM
To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you here
welcome to the group.
On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
perception.
> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> Take care everyone.
> Mabelin
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 22:38:26 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 17:38:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Mabilin, 
 My name is Sam. I'm  a 26 year old totally blind with light perception. I
like making videos on youtube, writing,  running my e-mail list and making
new friends. 
 Sam 

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Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
perception.
I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
Take care everyone.
Mabelin
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Fri Sep  5 23:11:41 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 19:11:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <0NBG00JCTB3RA180@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Mabelin and all,

I'd just like to take the time to welcome Mabelin here to this 
list.

I just want to let everyone know that I'm the one who let Mabelin 
know of this list.

We are good friends; we both live in New York, and used to go to 
the same school for the blind, until a few years ago when she 
changed schools.
We still talk to each other on Skype from time to time, and that 
is how I told her about this list: by Skype.

Anyway, Mabe, welcome to the list! I'm sure you'll enjoy all our 
conversations.

Thanks,

Sami.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: "'Mabelin Paez'" <mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:38:26 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hi Mabilin,
 My name is Sam.  I'm  a 26 year old totally blind with light 
perception.  I
like making videos on youtube, writing,  running my e-mail list 
and making
new friends.
 Sam

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 5:13 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind 
with light
perception.
I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
Take care everyone.
Mabelin
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:28:03 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:28:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility for the blind
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Hi all, I want to know what accessible pieces of technology do you all use, ranging from iPhone to Macintosh, to other helpful aids.
I have both a mac and windows machine.
I’m running on a macbook air.
If anyone wants to contact me do so.
I like making new friends.



From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:32:47 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 18:32:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility for the blind
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Hello,
The Assistive technology I primarily use for Windows is Jaws, but I
have also used NVDA.

For my Apple products I use Voiceover and for my google products I use
Talk back.

There are also a wide range of other products out there that can assist you.

Hope this helps

Jonatahn

On 9/5/14, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all, I want to know what accessible pieces of technology do you all use,
> ranging from iPhone to Macintosh, to other helpful aids.
> I have both a mac and windows machine.
> I’m running on a macbook air.
> If anyone wants to contact me do so.
> I like making new friends.
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:42:52 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 16:42:52 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Mabelin,
 Welcome to the NABS list! I hope that you find  that we are a nice a knowledgeable bunch of folks.
  all of the members of NABs,  including  the members on this list and the NABS Board of directors are glad that  you are here and I’m personally glad to meet you.
  Regards,
   Darian  
On Sep 5, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I’m 20 years old, totally blind with light perception.
> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> Take care everyone.
> Mabelin
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From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Fri Sep  5 23:51:42 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 19:51:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Mabelin
Welcome to the list.

On 9/5/14, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
> perception.
> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> Take care everyone.
> Mabelin
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 03:27:18 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:27:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility for the blind
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Mabelin,

Welcome to the NABS list! I hope you find us a welcoming group and that the discussion which takes place here is as informative and helpful for you as it has been for me over the years. I look forward to your contributions.

I use a variety of access technologies for a variety of tasks. For some notetaking and mostly for bluetooth connectivity with my iPhone, I use a BrailleNote Apex BT, though I will likely switch from a notetaker to a stand-alone Braille display after my graduation from high school. I currently use a PC running Windows 7 and JAWS 14. I have NVDA installed as a backup screen reader but use it very rarely. As anyone who knows me even casually can tell, I rely heavily on my iPhone 5C with VoiceOver for myriad purposes. To go through the 5 pages of apps which crowd my home screen would certainly clutter the list and bore most readers to tears, so if you are interested in apps we can certainly talk off-list. The final pieces in my AT arsenal are a Victor Reader Stream (the old one, unfortunately—I really want the new one) and a good old-fashioned Perkins Brailler. So that's what I use—hope it helps.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 5, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, I want to know what accessible pieces of technology do you all use, ranging from iPhone to Macintosh, to other helpful aids.
> I have both a mac and windows machine.
> I’m running on a macbook air.
> If anyone wants to contact me do so.
> I like making new friends.
> 
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sat Sep  6 04:05:55 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2014 23:05:55 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Hi Sonia, thank you for telling her about this list I think she could learn a lot from a lot of the information that goes across this list on a day-to-day basis.
On Sep 5, 2014, at 6:11 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Mabelin and all,
> 
> I'd just like to take the time to welcome Mabelin here to this list.
> 
> I just want to let everyone know that I'm the one who let Mabelin know of this list.
> 
> We are good friends; we both live in New York, and used to go to the same school for the blind, until a few years ago when she changed schools.
> We still talk to each other on Skype from time to time, and that is how I told her about this list: by Skype.
> 
> Anyway, Mabe, welcome to the list! I'm sure you'll enjoy all our conversations.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sam Nelson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'Mabelin Paez'" <mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Fri, 05 Sep 2014 17:38:26 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
> 
> Hi Mabilin,
> My name is Sam.  I'm  a 26 year old totally blind with light perception.  I
> like making videos on youtube, writing,  running my e-mail list and making
> new friends.
> Sam
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mabelin Paez
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 5:13 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
> 
> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
> perception.
> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> Take care everyone.
> Mabelin
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 08:44:23 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 04:44:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] thanks all for the welcome messages
Message-ID: <BEB32AB3-3C5A-47F8-AAD3-0DFF6D1DF85F@gmail.com>

I want to thank all of those whom had taken the time to welcome me to the nabsL list.
If you’d like to contact me externally you can by replying to this post.
I’m very happy of being in this group.
I have a feeling I’ll make a lot of friends here.
Thanks again everyone.
By the way contributing to this discussion  I use an iPhone 5S, I also use a macbook air as well, both have VoiceOver built-in.
I also use windows occasionally. But it’s quite rare since nowadays I rely mostly on my apple products, I have a note takeer but I hardly even use it. I don’t use it at all now. I used to use it a lot, but since I now heavily rely on my apple  products I rarely use it anymore. Not to  mention that it belongs to my state district so I have to return it when I graduate which will be this june as a matter of fact.
Hope everyone enjoys my contributions.
I thank you all once again.



From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 13:04:51 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:04:51 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Are you listening to music?
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References: <53DD49CF.7060301@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.142.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good  morning, Gerardo,

         Perhaps, you might bare in mind the 
nuances of your particular priorities. How must 
conditions be in order for your to derive a level 
of experiential meaning that is satisfying to 
you? So, then, it needs not to really bare too 
much consequence to you, how they claim it looks! 
And, what's wrong with looking a little Martian, anyway?
for today, Car

  :27 PM 8/2/2014, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l wrote:
>  HI listers
>The subject line says it all; it's the question 
>I've gotten when in the store or wherever I'm 
>with my family, they ask. The reason is because 
>as most of you on here, I wear hearing aids due 
>to a 70% hearing loss; I've got an IPhone, and 
>always have atop my hearing aids the earbuds for 
>the hands free piece, in case I get a call, I 
>only have to press the button on the hands free 
>and away I anser! I have each earbud atop each 
>hearing aid if you understand what I mean 
>because my hearing aids are those that go behind 
>the ear. So my question is, do I really look 
>Martian by always having these earbuds atop my 
>hearing aids? My Mom says I do, but my Dad says 
>that nowadays everyone has earbuds on all the 
>time, thus appreciate any ideas. If indeed it 
>isn't well-seen to always have earbuds on, then 
>what other ideas do you guys who wear hearing 
>aids have to offer? What I'm wanting is when I 
>get a call, not waste time getting the phone out 
>of my pocket, have to put the phone up to my 
>hearing aids to hear what the caller id info 
>says etc, thus I thought that maybe with the 
>earbuds on the aids, would be the solution? Thanks for ideas.
>
>--
>Enviado desde mi lap
>Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki
>Saludos desde Tampico, Tamaulipas México
>RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
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>México http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 13:07:33 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:07:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Are you listening to music?
In-Reply-To: <540b068f.f81b8c0a.2d93.22ebSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <53DD49CF.7060301@gmail.com>
	<540b068f.f81b8c0a.2d93.22ebSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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I don't wear hearing aids but I think if it works for you than  keep doing
it! If other people say something rude they just don't understand so try not
to pay any attention. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Carly Mihalakis
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 8:05 AM
To: Gerardo Corripio; National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
NFB Deaf-Blind Division Mailing List; Blind exchange and discussion; A
general blind chat list.; National Association of Blind Students mailing
list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Are you listening to music?

Good  morning, Gerardo,

         Perhaps, you might bare in mind the nuances of your particular
priorities. How must conditions be in order for your to derive a level of
experiential meaning that is satisfying to you? So, then, it needs not to
really bare too much consequence to you, how they claim it looks! 
And, what's wrong with looking a little Martian, anyway?
for today, Car

  :27 PM 8/2/2014, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l wrote:
>  HI listers
>The subject line says it all; it's the question I've gotten when in the 
>store or wherever I'm with my family, they ask. The reason is because 
>as most of you on here, I wear hearing aids due to a 70% hearing loss; 
>I've got an IPhone, and always have atop my hearing aids the earbuds 
>for the hands free piece, in case I get a call, I only have to press 
>the button on the hands free and away I anser! I have each earbud atop 
>each hearing aid if you understand what I mean because my hearing aids 
>are those that go behind the ear. So my question is, do I really look 
>Martian by always having these earbuds atop my hearing aids? My Mom 
>says I do, but my Dad says that nowadays everyone has earbuds on all 
>the time, thus appreciate any ideas. If indeed it isn't well-seen to 
>always have earbuds on, then what other ideas do you guys who wear 
>hearing aids have to offer? What I'm wanting is when I get a call, not 
>waste time getting the phone out of my pocket, have to put the phone up 
>to my hearing aids to hear what the caller id info says etc, thus I 
>thought that maybe with the earbuds on the aids, would be the solution? 
>Thanks for ideas.
>
>--
>Enviado desde mi lap
>Gerardo J Corripio Flores Psicólogo, Terapéuta Reiki Saludos desde 
>Tampico, Tamaulipas México RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
>psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México 
>http://radiogeneral.com ¡los esperamos!
>
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 13:09:13 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:09:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
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Good morning, Mabelin,

         How does someone identify as totally blind with light 
perception? Enlighten us, won't you?
for today, Car

At 03:34 PM 9/5/2014, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>Good to have you.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:33 PM
>To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>
>Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you here
>welcome to the group.
>On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote:
>
> > Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
>perception.
> > I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
> > Take care everyone.
> > Mabelin
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From suzannegirl25 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 13:40:49 2014
From: suzannegirl25 at gmail.com (Joanne Michelle Stark)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 08:40:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
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A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if they had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my intention to major in early childhood education in college, I need all the experience I can get, volunteer and otherwise, before I finalize my decision. Much to my delight, they said yes.
This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for volunteering with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background check, among other things. The director said she would be in contact with the families to see if any of the children have allergies to dogs before my dog Ditra can enter the rooms; I'm perfectly fine with that, and it is understandable. I went over yesterday immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give paperwork indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by someone there that not all of the families have responded yet regarding the dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just occurred to me, so I'm mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the director that I can travel just as independently with the cane as I can with a dog, and the dog doesn't always have to be there with me. In reality, she might not always be there with me due to illness, retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here is my predicament:
Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do I wait until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel using the cane in the beginning will at least help me learn the layout of the building better at first, so I can direct the dog later on when I'm given clearance to bring her near the children. at the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if you know what I mean.
Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the newcomers to this list.

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 13:58:36 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 06:58:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
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Hi Joanne,
 
 I wouldn’t worry too much about mentioning  cane use as your  particular situation is concerned unless you find an opportunity to have a conversation with the site supervisor  about something.  At that point I might mention that from time to time I may decide to give my dog a break and use my cane instead.  that you actually plan on using your cane the first day.   You just might bring this up so she  doesn’t  get too concerned when you don’t bring the dog.
 overall, I really wouldn’t worry about bringing it up if it  were me. from what you’ve indicated she hasn’t made it an issue either way  other than for health reasons which is  rather legitimate  in my view.
  Hope this  helps,
  Darian    
    
On Sep 6, 2014, at 6:40 AM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if they had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my intention to major in early childhood education in college, I need all the experience I can get, volunteer and otherwise, before I finalize my decision. Much to my delight, they said yes.
> This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for volunteering with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background check, among other things. The director said she would be in contact with the families to see if any of the children have allergies to dogs before my dog Ditra can enter the rooms; I'm perfectly fine with that, and it is understandable. I went over yesterday immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give paperwork indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by someone there that not all of the families have responded yet regarding the dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just occurred to me, so I'm mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the director that I can travel just as independently with the cane as I can with a dog, and the dog doesn't always have to be there with me. In reality, she might not always be there with me due to illness, retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here is my predicament:
> Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do I wait until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel using the cane in the beginning will at least help me learn the layout of the building better at first, so I can direct the dog later on when I'm given clearance to bring her near the children. at the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if you know what I mean.
> Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the newcomers to this list.
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 14:04:41 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 09:04:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
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Hi Joanna, 
 Cool about the volunteer experience. 
 I'd call or e-mail to let her know about the cane so she has all the info
about you and what you can do in hand. I don't think it would be seeming
desperate just giving information. 
 Hope that helps and that things go well with volunteering! 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joanne Michelle
Stark via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 8:41 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something

A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if they
had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my intention to major in
early childhood education in college, I need all the experience I can get,
volunteer and otherwise, before I finalize my decision. Much to my delight,
they said yes.
This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for volunteering
with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background check, among other
things. The director said she would be in contact with the families to see
if any of the children have allergies to dogs before my dog Ditra can enter
the rooms; I'm perfectly fine with that, and it is understandable. I went
over yesterday immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give
paperwork indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by
someone there that not all of the families have responded yet regarding the
dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just occurred to me, so I'm
mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the director that I can travel just
as independently with the cane as I can with a dog, and the dog doesn't
always have to be there with me. In reality, she might not always be there
with me due to illness, retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here
is my predicament:
Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do I wait
until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel using the cane in
the beginning will at least help me learn the layout of the building better
at first, so I can direct the dog later on when I'm given clearance to bring
her near the children. at the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if
you know what I mean.
Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the newcomers to
this list.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 14:33:56 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:33:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
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Good morning, Joanne Michelle,

I'd like to echo what has been said. I mean, as blinks not 
appreciating what, exactly Ol'Sighty sees and doesn't see, I think we 
tend to think he sees all. I know I feel that way. So, Joanne 
Michelle, what I'm trying to say is, I don't think the people at the 
child care outfit will even notice. Or, they'll chock it up to 
something being wrong with the dog or, more  unbelievably, your 
personal choice. Anyway, won't she know about the paperwork delays?
for today, Carnabs-l wrote:
>A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if 
>they had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my 
>intention to major in early childhood education in college, I need 
>all the experience I can get, volunteer and otherwise, before I 
>finalize my decision. Much to my delight, they said yes.
>This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for 
>volunteering with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background 
>check, among other things. The director said she would be in contact 
>with the families to see if any of the children have allergies to 
>dogs before my dog Ditra can enter the rooms; I'm perfectly fine 
>with that, and it is understandable. I went over yesterday 
>immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give paperwork 
>indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by 
>someone there that not all of the families have responded yet 
>regarding the dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just 
>occurred to me, so I'm mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the 
>director that I can travel just as independently with the cane as I 
>can with a dog, and the dog doesn't always have to be there with me. 
>In reality, she might not always be there with me due to illness, 
>retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here is my predicament:
>Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do 
>I wait until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel 
>using the cane in the beginning will at least help me learn the 
>layout of the building better at first, so I can direct the dog 
>later on when I'm given clearance to bring her near the children. at 
>the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if you know what I mean.
>Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the 
>newcomers to this list.
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 14:45:59 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 07:45:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Manners
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Good morning, Lillie,

I don't know about you but when I see those types of messages which 
you described, around the 1st of each month, my hand slides down to 
the delete key upon seeing that.After all, the message is telling me 
what I already know.
I'm sure I'm not the only subscriber who exhibits similar behavior.
After all, as you say, we are all people who oughta know etiquette. 
Yes, indeed I guess there are some jack offs who don't, and a plague 
on all their families!
No moderation, we don't need it!
Car

Mary and all,

>First, something else to add to the google search front. You not only find
>posts from this list when doing a google search on any sort of topic, you
>more specifically find them when you or someone else google your name. Just
>thought I'd throw that out there because not everyone may know that and that
>could potentially cause problems if someone like a potential employer were
>to google you.
>
>As to how we can improve the list, its difficult. I myself do think the list
>does need some sort of reform, but to restrict some is to restrict all of
>us, and to implement a complex system of reform would most likely be quite
>time consuming for those involved, and in my opinion, a little unnecessary.
>Most of us are old to know what things are and are not appropriate forms of
>listserve edicate, and in my opinion it is a little ridiculous that we are
>even having to have this discussion. I am not in any way flaiming you or any
>member of the NABS board, or any of the members of this list in a specific
>manner. I am saying this because I think it does need to be said; I am not
>trying to cause trouble here. This all being said, I do still really do
>enjoy this list and find it a valuable resource.
>
>I have two suggestions:
>
>1. Would it be possible for once a month or so, the list guidelines to be
>sent out? Perhaps this could be done on the first of the month when the
>other list passwords are sent out or around this time? This may help new
>members and prevent problems before they start.
>
>2. Is there any way we could have some sort of form when you sign up for
>this list. This could be very simple, like name, status, and why you want to
>join this list. For example, when I would fill out the form, it would be
>something like
>Name: Lillie Pennington
>Status: High School Junior
>Why I want to join: To learn and gain insite and advice from other blind
>students and young professionals.
>
>This may help so that not every random person can join this list. I know and
>respect that we want to be an open forum, but there is such a thing as being
>too open.
>
>Let me know if you have anymore questions. Sorry if I have offended anyone
>with this message.
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:55 PM
>To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Manners
>
>Good evening all,
>I hope everyone's weekend was very enjoyable.
>I am writing because I am deeply concerned about the manners, or lack
>thereof, which are more and more frequently being displayed on the list
>serv. I'll quickly remind you that the list is supposed to be a resource for
>blind students, of all ages, young professionals, parents and teachers. The
>list is "public" and "archivable", which means that anything we write on
>here is easily brought up when someone, anyone, conducts a Google search.
>When someone inquires about software, or help with anything, which relates
>to blindness, or has a question and asks that you contact them off line, it
>does not mean that you can be disrespectful to that person. The list is NOT
>here for insults to be thrown back and forth, for inappropriate comments, or
>for general disrespect towards others.
>So, here is my question, how can we improve communication among list
>members? Does this list still have value, and if so what are the values and
>how to we maintain them? Let's have a discussion about issues and solutions.
>I'm probably opening a can of worms, but I'm truly concerned about the tone
>of the messages on here, and the frequency with which they have been
>occurring. Please, be polite and respectful when responding to this message,
>and if you have strong feelings you do not wish to make public, simply click
>on my email
>address: trillian551 at gmail.com and reply to me directly.
>
>Thank you,
>Sincerely,
>Your list moderator,
>
>--
>Mary Fernandez
>"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
>you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>--
>Maya Angelou
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 15:41:47 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 11:41:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Letting know of desire to colaborate but
	with	compensation?
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One way to let people know you're looking for compensation is to set up a
website and point people to it for more details about the services you can
offer. It lets them know you're a legitimate business and worthy of fair
compensation for what you can do. The website alone will not be what brings
in the money. It's how you leverage it.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Antonio
Guimaraes via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2014 2:36 PM
To: Gerardo Corripio; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Letting know of desire to colaborate but with
compensation?

Herardo,

I am sorry you are having such a difficult time of finding employment with
compensation.

However, I realize you have potential, and that you are being discriminated
for having a disability.

I don’t know how the work and blindness culture of attitudes on blindness
works in Mexico.

Your approach to write emails to offer your services may work, but I see no
way to ask indirectly for something that should be agreed on like payment
for your services. I see no way around it. You are offering a valued
service, and companies should be paying for them. You value your skills,
obviously. The problem seems to be that businesses do not value services if
they come from blind people.

This is discriminatory, and I don’t know what you can do to avoid or address
it in your country. But there is no way to suggest that you want to get
payed for the work you do except to directly state you charge for it. That
is the only way you show you value your time and skills. Communicating your
needs to the company is how you show them you mean business. The only way to
assert yourself in this case is to offer a service others are willing to pay
for.

this is not an easy battle, and i wish you luck.

Regards,

Antonio
On Sep 3, 2014, at 1:31 PM, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> HI guys
> OK the deal is that here in my area, I'm convinced I won't get a job,
especially since the blindness culture is in diapers! thus I wonder if I
write EMails and offer my services there, how would I clarify in the EMail
indirectly, that I'd like to colaborate with these companies or
organizations, but with compensation, rather than as a volunteer? I've
written in the past EMails like these, but maybe when I put in the Email
that I'd like compensation or salary or whatever you want to call it, that's
what might scare off these potential people who might say yes otherwise?
Thanks for ideas; I really really want to do something! and if the Internet
is a possibility, why not! I won't want to clutter the list with details,
but if anyone wants to get in contact, my Email is open.
> 
> --
> Enviado desde mi lap
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> Tampico, Tamaulipas México RompiendoBarreras espacio de 
> psicología/Superación Personal Sábados 10PM México http://radiogeneral.com
¡los esperamos!
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Sat Sep  6 16:17:01 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 10:17:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Manners
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Carly,
I'm a political libertarian myself… but I think the post that started this whole mess proof that moderation is, in fact, necessary here. And, at least so far since that time, it seems to have worked reasonably well.
Best,
Kirt

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 6, 2014, at 8:45 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Lillie,
> 
> I don't know about you but when I see those types of messages which you described, around the 1st of each month, my hand slides down to the delete key upon seeing that.After all, the message is telling me what I already know.
> I'm sure I'm not the only subscriber who exhibits similar behavior.
> After all, as you say, we are all people who oughta know etiquette. Yes, indeed I guess there are some jack offs who don't, and a plague on all their families!
> No moderation, we don't need it!
> Car
> 
> Mary and all,
> 
>> First, something else to add to the google search front. You not only find
>> posts from this list when doing a google search on any sort of topic, you
>> more specifically find them when you or someone else google your name. Just
>> thought I'd throw that out there because not everyone may know that and that
>> could potentially cause problems if someone like a potential employer were
>> to google you.
>> 
>> As to how we can improve the list, its difficult. I myself do think the list
>> does need some sort of reform, but to restrict some is to restrict all of
>> us, and to implement a complex system of reform would most likely be quite
>> time consuming for those involved, and in my opinion, a little unnecessary.
>> Most of us are old to know what things are and are not appropriate forms of
>> listserve edicate, and in my opinion it is a little ridiculous that we are
>> even having to have this discussion. I am not in any way flaiming you or any
>> member of the NABS board, or any of the members of this list in a specific
>> manner. I am saying this because I think it does need to be said; I am not
>> trying to cause trouble here. This all being said, I do still really do
>> enjoy this list and find it a valuable resource.
>> 
>> I have two suggestions:
>> 
>> 1. Would it be possible for once a month or so, the list guidelines to be
>> sent out? Perhaps this could be done on the first of the month when the
>> other list passwords are sent out or around this time? This may help new
>> members and prevent problems before they start.
>> 
>> 2. Is there any way we could have some sort of form when you sign up for
>> this list. This could be very simple, like name, status, and why you want to
>> join this list. For example, when I would fill out the form, it would be
>> something like
>> Name: Lillie Pennington
>> Status: High School Junior
>> Why I want to join: To learn and gain insite and advice from other blind
>> students and young professionals.
>> 
>> This may help so that not every random person can join this list. I know and
>> respect that we want to be an open forum, but there is such a thing as being
>> too open.
>> 
>> Let me know if you have anymore questions. Sorry if I have offended anyone
>> with this message.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mary Fernandez
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, August 10, 2014 8:55 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Manners
>> 
>> Good evening all,
>> I hope everyone's weekend was very enjoyable.
>> I am writing because I am deeply concerned about the manners, or lack
>> thereof, which are more and more frequently being displayed on the list
>> serv. I'll quickly remind you that the list is supposed to be a resource for
>> blind students, of all ages, young professionals, parents and teachers. The
>> list is "public" and "archivable", which means that anything we write on
>> here is easily brought up when someone, anyone, conducts a Google search.
>> When someone inquires about software, or help with anything, which relates
>> to blindness, or has a question and asks that you contact them off line, it
>> does not mean that you can be disrespectful to that person. The list is NOT
>> here for insults to be thrown back and forth, for inappropriate comments, or
>> for general disrespect towards others.
>> So, here is my question, how can we improve communication among list
>> members? Does this list still have value, and if so what are the values and
>> how to we maintain them? Let's have a discussion about issues and solutions.
>> I'm probably opening a can of worms, but I'm truly concerned about the tone
>> of the messages on here, and the frequency with which they have been
>> occurring. Please, be polite and respectful when responding to this message,
>> and if you have strong feelings you do not wish to make public, simply click
>> on my email
>> address: trillian551 at gmail.com and reply to me directly.
>> 
>> Thank you,
>> Sincerely,
>> Your list moderator,
>> 
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will forget what
>> you did, but people will never forget how you made them feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Sep  6 21:05:51 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 17:05:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for Some Information
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS787BF50777F450ADE8C05BAC30@phx.gbl>

Hello All,

As some of you may know, I was in a bad accident during the 2011 national
convention. I have some questions about my accident I would like to ask, but
I would rather not wish to ask them on such a public email list. If anyone
remembers anything about my accident, I would greatly appreciate hearing
from you off list.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 21:29:37 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 14:29:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for Some Information
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS787BF50777F450ADE8C05BAC30@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS787BF50777F450ADE8C05BAC30@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <mailman.146.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Hi, Elizabeth,
Wanna talk accident? Without knowing the  nature of how you brushed 
with lady mishap, I would like to talk about it with you if, in fact 
you feel open today?
for today, Car
408-209-3239

email list. If anyone
>remembers anything about my accident, I would greatly appreciate hearing
>from you off list.
>
>Thanks,
>Elizabeth
>
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep  6 23:52:28 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 16:52:28 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
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	<002f01cfc3f3$0ec192b0$2c44b810$@net>
Message-ID: <mailman.147.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, whomever you are,

Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much with 
my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in 
conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids 
were holding me at arm's length.
I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who 
were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
  their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough to 
me," but at the end of the day they really don't
>see the true values of being anything closer than an acquaintance.




>would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being  someone to
>be pitied.
>
>Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I was a weird
>child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be friends with me.
>There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what elementary
>school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know a few
>pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended period of
>pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid that was
>quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other people my
>age.
>
>Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I don't
>really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends such as
>posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on social media,
>and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really feel that they
>could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even the small
>things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird assignments
>in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes have trouble
>coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a superficial
>level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure if that's
>the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than my sited
>peers.
>
>Anyway, onto the original topic.
>I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you like, or
>have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
>independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to the club and
>not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the start that
>you have something to contribute. I've met some of my afquaintances this
>way.
>
>One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure that your
>school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they to set you
>up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I had a
>group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in middle school
>who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never prove it,
>that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry for me and
>to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It served as a
>very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else has hod to
>go through that.
>
>I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I am sure most
>of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount them or
>create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture here.
>
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
>To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question
>
>This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to realize, if
>only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a normal person
>and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better since, as
>I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, but it's not
>an easy thing.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
> > Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
> > comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
> > classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty good
> > laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class of
> > students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher being
> > afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since I'd
> > been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be afraid to
> > talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
> > blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a girl
> > after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
> > questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even in my
> > usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to me in
> > the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, that I
> > had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a blind
> > person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a different
> > question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way you
> > talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.  Good
> > luck.
> >
> >> On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I joke
> >> about stuff all the time (smile)
> >>
> >>> On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>> I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
> >>> I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may seem
> >>> hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
> >>> have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
> >>> others, no one notices I'm blind.
> >>> It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
> >>> I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
> >>> ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school could
> >>> go).
> >>> I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) Two
> >>> girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to me,
> >>> (same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
> >>> friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
> >>> talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
> >>> friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I can
> >>> ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between Michelle
> >>> and Jessica, but I'm getting better.
> >>>
> >>> Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
> >>> open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't see
> >>> the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
> >>> Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
> >>> It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
> >>> whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, you
> >>> can ask."
> >>> They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
> >>> won't.
> >>>
> >>> If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> >>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:49 -0600
> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
> >>>
> >>> hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
> >>> me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all
> >>> of my classes there are different kids ,
> >>>
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 01:38:31 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 21:38:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] chat
Message-ID: <794C044E-4F9E-4F09-AA05-6EDD9EF260DD@gmail.com>

Hello all, I want to say that if anyone wants to addd me to Skype they can, just email me individually and I’ll email you my Skype id. I like making new friends.
 I do recommend Twitterific for twitter, tweetlogicks, tweetList and Tweetlist pro  and twitter for iPhone as accessible twitter apps for IOS and I almost forgot, tweetings for iPhone.
If you want to keep in touch with me reply if you wish.



From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 03:03:08 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:03:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] chat
In-Reply-To: <794C044E-4F9E-4F09-AA05-6EDD9EF260DD@gmail.com>
References: <794C044E-4F9E-4F09-AA05-6EDD9EF260DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.148.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Evening, Mabelin,

I'm not into any of that social media crap but I might still like to 
be in touchee! Can't we just do it the regular way?
I'm 30 and I'm a total.At 06:38 PM 9/6/2014, you wrote:
>Hello all, I want to say that if anyone wants to addd me to Skype 
>they can, just email me individually and I'll email you my Skype id. 
>I like making new friends.
>  I do recommend Twitterific for twitter, tweetlogicks, tweetList 
> and Tweetlist pro  and twitter for iPhone as accessible twitter 
> apps for IOS and I almost forgot, tweetings for iPhone.
>If you want to keep in touch with me reply if you wish.
>
>
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 03:07:44 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:07:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
Message-ID: <540bcc03.4cd2440a.0616.0976@mx.google.com>

Hi guys,

So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I 
have tunes too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure 
them out, I can never do so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords 
that I made up on piano, that I would like to put words to, but 
cannot, for some reason.  I've tried, but nothing comes to mind.

Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I 
just forget them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same 
goes for a few of my piano songs I have composed, then forgot how 
to play.  Luckily, I rember a few of them, the ones I really 
really like.

Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off 
list?


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 03:13:38 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 20:13:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
Message-ID: <540bcd65.e55f440a.6ddb.11ef@mx.google.com>

Hi again, guys,

I would like to learn a basic piano song, that has words to it.  
Basically, I need/want a song, for soprano singers, (such as 
myself), that has a basic and simple pattern to play on piano.  
I'm trying to get over my shyness, (which will be tough, but 
manageable), and someone said I need to sing and play piano, at 
the same time; that it will impress a lot of people.

People say I'm a good pianist and singer, (among other things), 
so I might as well do both together.
Any song suggestions would be great.  I have to find a tutorial 
on youtube, where the person speaks the notes, for the song, 
though.  That may make things harder.


From gera1027 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 03:25:02 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2014 22:25:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
In-Reply-To: <540bcd65.e55f440a.6ddb.11ef@mx.google.com>
References: <540bcd65.e55f440a.6ddb.11ef@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D1FD7D0-90B2-48AB-8A30-DE3DD08AA3A5@gmail.com>

Have you searched Bard's Music section? Or Bill Brown's catalogue?

Gera
Enviado desde mi iPhone

El 06/09/2014, a las 10:13 p.m., Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> escribió:

> Hi again, guys,
> 
> I would like to learn a basic piano song, that has words to it.  Basically, I need/want a song, for soprano singers, (such as myself), that has a basic and simple pattern to play on piano.  I'm trying to get over my shyness, (which will be tough, but manageable), and someone said I need to sing and play piano, at the same time; that it will impress a lot of people.
> 
> People say I'm a good pianist and singer, (among other things), so I might as well do both together.
> Any song suggestions would be great.  I have to find a tutorial on youtube, where the person speaks the notes, for the song, though.  That may make things harder.
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep  7 04:01:43 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
In-Reply-To: <540bcc03.4cd2440a.0616.0976@mx.google.com>
References: <540bcc03.4cd2440a.0616.0976@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS51657FC91FB2D9429052D23BAC00@phx.gbl>

Hello Marissa,

Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts division
email list. I would imagine you would probably receive more helpful
answers on there than you would on here. You can find information for this
email list at www.nfbnet.org.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hi guys,

So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I have tunes
too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I can never do
so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano, that I would
like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried, but nothing
comes to mind.

Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I just forget
them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few of my piano
songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I rember a few of
them, the ones I really really like.

Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off list?

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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 04:08:17 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 21:08:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
Message-ID: <540bda34.0f23460a.01cd.1614@mx.google.com>


Hi,

Thanks so much! I didn't know there was a performing list! That's 
cool!


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hello Marissa,

Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts 
division
email list.  I would imagine you would probably receive more 
helpful
answers on there than you would on here.  You can find 
information for this
email list at www.nfbnet.org.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hi guys,

So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I 
have tunes
too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I 
can never do
so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano, 
that I would
like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried, 
but nothing
comes to mind.

Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I 
just forget
them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few 
of my piano
songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I 
rember a few of
them, the ones I really really like.

Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off 
list?

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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 13:06:36 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:06:36 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] HOW TO IDENTIFY A BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT PERCEPTION
Message-ID: <361A7231-7012-487D-AED5-2300C7C02627@gmail.com>

HELLO ALL, I’M JUST POSTING TO ANSWER SOMEONE’S QUESTION ON HOW TO IDENTIFY A TOTALLY BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT PERCEPTION.
The way you’d do that is by shining a light near their eyes and asking if they can see the light. This can be identified when the blind person is at a doctor’s appointment, eye doctor to be exact.
I hope that this answers your question.



From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 14:22:53 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:22:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] HOW TO IDENTIFY A BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT PERCEPTION
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Hi. 
 I  totally agree. This was confirmed by  my eye doctor from a  very young
age. 
 Sam 

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HELLO ALL, I'M JUST POSTING TO ANSWER SOMEONE'S QUESTION ON HOW TO IDENTIFY
A TOTALLY BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT PERCEPTION.
The way you'd do that is by shining a light near their eyes and asking if
they can see the light. This can be identified when the blind person is at a
doctor's appointment, eye doctor to be exact.
I hope that this answers your question.


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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 14:45:44 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:45:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] mental health related e-mail list
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Hi everyone, 

 My name is Sam. I  am the owner of a yahoo group e-mail list for those that
identify as having a mental illness and are blind/ visually impaired. We
find support from one another and are  a very caring community sharing
resources and generally helping one another through the struggles and
triumphs of living with the various issues that we do. 

 To subscribe send an e-mail to: 

 Blind-mentalhealth-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 

 Lastly I realize I have posted this here before and apologize  if people
would rather me not. If you know of another online venue you think would be
better to do  outreach for the list  please let me know. 

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 15:39:31 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 11:39:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my introduction
Message-ID: <540c7c6b.e46c8c0a.b6cc.6c79@mx.google.com>

Hi Carly,

I think it depends on context.  I have a little light perception, 
but I don't have usable vision (unless you count knowing if the 
sun is up yet when I wake up in the morning as usable), so if 
someone asks in a context where what they want to know is if I 
have usable vision, I identify as totally blind.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,"'Joseph Hudson'" 
<jhud7789 at outlook.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:09:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

Good morning, Mabelin,

         How does someone identify as totally blind with light
perception? Enlighten us, won't you?
for today, Car

At 03:34 PM 9/5/2014, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
Good to have you.

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:33 PM
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list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction

Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you 
here
welcome to the group.
On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:

 Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind 
with light
perception.
 I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
 Take care everyone.
 Mabelin
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 16:51:04 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 09:51:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Building the movement, Expanding our reach,
	Sharing our secret.
Message-ID: <4A45FC7C-0FB7-41BF-8851-1FD31CB3EC44@gmail.com>

  Hi all,
  
 My Friend Gabe Cazares said it best at the NABS meeting when he said “I’m super excited”  when referring to the 75 days of action campaign.
 As you know, this campaign is more than just  words, it’s actions.  
 We are building 75 new chapters and divisions and     strengthening 75 existing chapters  and divisions in 75 days!  oops.. I mean in less than 70 days because time is running out.
  Are you involved?  have you been?
  do you have something positive to share about it?
  I’ve heard many stories, even  quite a few from students who are  all on board this effort and  this just   shows me that there is no reason why a student can’t get involved. 
 so  what about you?
  yes, I’m Super excited too! (Seriously)

  Let’s go build the Federation!
  Darian         

From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 19:02:58 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 12:02:58 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
Message-ID: <540cabe6.aeb3420a.4b35.4f09@mx.google.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are any sites that I can do a Q and A 
on? What I mean, is, someone posts a question, and I put a reply, 
and everyone can see it?


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 20:52:06 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 16:52:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] high school question
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I have to agree with what Kurt and Lillie said, as my high school
experience wasn't terribly great either.  I did all right, and I
wasn't bullied or anything, but people didn't go out of their way to
return social gestures I tried to put out, and that ultimately led to
me being kind of depressed in my junior year.  Ironically, that was
when I got senioritis, and it really didn't improve till I got
accepted to my college and was relieved to get out of there.

I did a lot of what was recommended by others on this list.  I was in
the marching band for 4 years plus my 8th grade year by invitation; I
was on the academic quiz team and was valuable in answering the music
and genetics questions for the team; I was in women's chorus for one
year; I was an honors/AP student.  Many of my honors and ApP
classmates, bandmates, quiz team members were kids I had grown up with
since elementary school, so I think around middle school was when the
blindness started to become a stigma.  Kids in my junior and senior
classes didn't even speak to me, when we would play together on the
elementary school playground.  It's really sad how shallow people can
get with age.

I have to disagree with Karl a little bit, because I consider myself
to be a pretty extroverted person and still had social issues in high
school.  Thankfully, these have subsided a little in college, but I
have managed to make quality friends in my fraternity, in my band
classes, and almost exclusively hang out with music majors now.  It
was different last year, and I had some of the same issues in mixed
groups where people didn't know me as well.  I think you just have to
try to find people who are like-minded, and remember that the people
who see blindness as a stigma or a problem you have aren't people
worth hanging around with anyway.  When you find the people who are
really cool, those are the ones you want to keep around.

On 9/6/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Afternoon, whomever you are,
>
> Personally, I am 30 and also don't see the value of mixing much with
> my so-called peers. Growing up, I was always more interested in
> conversations with teachers, always having the feeling other kids
> were holding me at arm's length.
> I resented how it felt as though the adults were the one's who
> were  invested in whether I was friends with my peers.
>   their And yeah, as was said, my peers were always "nice enough to
> me," but at the end of the day they really don't
>>see the true values of being anything closer than an acquaintance.
>
>
>
>
>>would rather know that I am not wanted/do not fit in vs being  someone to
>>be pitied.
>>
>>Part of this dates back to elementary school; quite honestly, I was a
>> weird
>>child that not a lot of people, blind or sited wanted to be friends with
>> me.
>>There were adults seemingly hovering all over the place, and what
>> elementary
>>school child would want to deal with that? That said, I did know a few
>>pretty cool people. I was also the target once of an extended period of
>>pretty not-so-good teacher behavior, shall we say. I was the kid that was
>>quite sad and really did not feel that I could relate to other people my
>>age.
>>
>>Relating is something I still kind of have problems with today. I don't
>>really feel that I care that much about today's generation trends such as
>>posting enormous amounts of pictures and other weird stuff on social
>> media,
>>and obsessing over fashion, for example. I also do not really feel that
>> they
>>could relate to day-to-day things with blindness, such as even the small
>>things like being annoyed that I had to do one of my TVI's weird
>> assignments
>>in study hall verses being able to do my homework. I sometimes have
>> trouble
>>coming up with conversation topics with my peers aside from a superficial
>>level. I also feel that I am a little more mature (I'm not sure if that's
>>the right word) and that I had to grow up a lot more quickly than my sited
>>peers.
>>
>>Anyway, onto the original topic.
>>I'd definitely recommend joining some extracurriculars that you like, or
>>have an interest in. I'd also try to make sure that you have the
>>independence skills to be able to be a valuable contributor to the club
>> and
>>not just sit around. You have to be able to prove right from the start
>> that
>>you have something to contribute. I've met some of my afquaintances this
>>way.
>>
>>One last thing to be aware of: If this is an issue, I'd make sure that
>> your
>>school staff know that absolutely under no circumstances are they to set
>> you
>>up with friends, in the sense to ask someone to be your friend. I had a
>>group of friends (who I thought were my friends, anyway) in middle school
>>who I have very strong reason to suspect, although I could never prove it,
>>that my aid at the time or someone else asked them to feel sorry for me
>> and
>>to be my friends. Anyway, once I pretty much figured it out, It served as
>> a
>>very strong source of humiliation for me and I hope nobody else has hod to
>>go through that.
>>
>>I am sorry for the overall tone of this email being negative. I am sure
>> most
>>of you have had good experiences, and I am not trying to discount them or
>>create a sob story. I am just trying to paint a full  picture here.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kirt via
>> nabs-l
>>Sent: Friday, August 29, 2014 8:59 PM
>>To: louvins at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] highschool question
>>
>>This is fascinating. High school was when I first started to realize, if
>>only subconsciously, that most people don't treat me like a normal person
>>and blindness is pretty much the main reason. It's gotten better since, as
>>I've learned to balance quality humor with genuine competence, but it's
>> not
>>an easy thing.
>>
>>Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Aug 29, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l
>><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hello to Anna and all.  I agree with what has already been said.
>> > Don't be afraid to joke around about your blindness if you are
>> > comfortable doing that.  I always used to joke around in college
>> > classes when I felt the time was right.  I got a lot of pretty good
>> > laughs from students from time to time.  I've also had a class of
>> > students become silent after I've made a joke and the teacher being
>> > afraid of offending me which I thought was pretty funny, since I'd
>> > been the one who made the joke in the first place.  Don't be afraid to
>> > talk to people around you.  If someone asks you a question about
>> > blindness answer the question if you can.  One time, I had a girl
>> > after one of my college math classes aproach me, and ask me some
>> > questions about what it was like being blind.  She wasn't even in my
>> > usual math class.  I answered her questions, then she came up to me in
>> > the studen center a few days later, and asked me a question, that I
>> > had never thought about.  She asked me how do you talk to a blind
>> > person?  I didn't laugh, although, I thought this was a different
>> > question.  I told her, you talk to a blind person the same way you
>> > talk to a sighted person.  Making friends can be very nice.  Good
>> > luck.
>> >
>> >> On 8/29/14, Sofia Gallo via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Totally agree with Marissa, I've had a similar experience and I joke
>> >> about stuff all the time (smile)
>> >>
>> >>> On 8/29/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>> I know this may sound...  (lack for a word right now).
>> >>> I have made friends very easily all my life.  High school may seem
>> >>> hard, but it really isn't.  (smiles) I'm in the tenth grade, and
>> >>> have bunches of friends.  I am in band, but when I play with the
>> >>> others, no one notices I'm blind.
>> >>> It would help if I had some music, but that's a different story.
>> >>> I did perform in a pep rally last year.  I got two standing
>> >>> ovations, (there were two rallies so everyone in the school could
>> >>> go).
>> >>> I sat at a table by myself, one day.  (This was just this week.) Two
>> >>> girls sat across from me.  I didn't talk, so they didn't talk to me,
>> >>> (same would have happened, had I been able to see).  Then, my
>> >>> friends, Michelle and Jessica, came and sat by me.  I started
>> >>> talking with them; the two girls that sat across from me were
>> >>> friends of there's.  we ended up having a great time and now, I can
>> >>> ALMOST tell them by voice.  I still get confused between Michelle
>> >>> and Jessica, but I'm getting better.
>> >>>
>> >>> Just be open about it.  This may sound cruel to some, but I'm so
>> >>> open about my blindness, I'll joke about it in class.  "I can't see
>> >>> the board, can I move?" or someone says, "I'll see you tomorrow,
>> >>> Marissa." I'll turn, look at them, and say, "I won't."
>> >>> It gets people laughing.  I answer questions about being blind,
>> >>> whenever I'm asked.  Some people are shy; just say, "It's ok, you
>> >>> can ask."
>> >>> They think they will offend you.  Just let them know that they
>> >>> won't.
>> >>>
>> >>> If you need any help, feel free to email me off-list.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> ----- Original Message -----
>> >>> From: Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> >>> Date sent: Fri, 29 Aug 2014 09:08:49 -0600
>> >>> Subject: [nabs-l] highschool question
>> >>>
>> >>> hi all I have a question, how do you make friends in highschool, for
>> >>> me it has been difficult because there a lot of students and in all
>> >>> of my classes there are different kids ,
>> >>>
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 21:20:07 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:20:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
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Marissa,

I'm not sure I understand your question. Are you looking for a Web site on
which to create a survey? Please clarify.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are any sites that I can do a Q and A on? What I
mean, is, someone posts a question, and I put a reply, and everyone can see
it?

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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 21:28:39 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:28:39 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
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What I mean is a site for people to be able to post questions, 
and I'd be able to reply to them and others can see it


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:20:07 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A

Marissa,

I'm not sure I understand your question.  Are you looking for a 
Web site on
which to create a survey? Please clarify.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:03 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A

Hi,

Does anyone know if there are any sites that I can do a Q and A 
on? What I
mean, is, someone posts a question, and I put a reply, and 
everyone can see
it?

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 21:34:02 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:34:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Building the movement, Expanding our reach,
	Sharing our secret.
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Darian and Fellow Federation-Builders,

I too am super excited about the 75 Days of Action initiative and what it
will bring. Here in Maryland we have an already strong affiliate complete
with vibrant chapters across the state. However, there are still parts of
Maryland which have not yet been touched by the message of the Federation. I
live in one such region and am currently in contact with blind people who
are interested in forming a new chapter here. I have been wanting to start a
chapter here for some time now, but have been dissuading myself from doing
anything about it because I was afraid there were not enough blind people in
my area to warrant its formation. However, as I have been working with other
Federationists in our affiliate on this project, I am finding that there are
blind people aplenty around here, though not many of them have joined the
Federation. They are nonaffiliated and looking for bline people with whom
they can network. When we have told them that we are working on starting a
chapter of the Federation here, most are excited and enthusiastic about
getting the chapter organized. What an exciting prospect! Keep your eyes and
ears open--there are great things coming out of Maryland!

Let's go build the Federation; 75 in 75!

Chris Nusbaum

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Darian Smith
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:51 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Building the movement, Expanding our reach, Sharing our
secret.

  Hi all,
  
 My Friend Gabe Cazares said it best at the NABS meeting when he said "I'm
super excited"  when referring to the 75 days of action campaign.
 As you know, this campaign is more than just  words, it's actions.  
 We are building 75 new chapters and divisions and     strengthening 75
existing chapters  and divisions in 75 days!  oops.. I mean in less than 70
days because time is running out.
  Are you involved?  have you been?
  do you have something positive to share about it?
  I've heard many stories, even  quite a few from students who are  all on
board this effort and  this just   shows me that there is no reason why a
student can't get involved. 
 so  what about you?
  yes, I'm Super excited too! (Seriously)

  Let's go build the Federation!
  Darian         
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 21:40:28 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:40:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] mental health related e-mail list
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Sam,

I think you are doing a great thing by forming this list and advertising it
to those on this list who might need its support. Though I do not count
myself among the population of blind people who also have a mental illness
(though some might, for good reason, question my sanity at times--LOL,) I
have great respect for those who are dealing with mental illnesses and might
benefit from the network your list would provide. To reach out to more blind
people, I would suggest writing a brief message describing the list and its
purpose to David Andrews at dandrews at visi.com, asking him to post it to the
NFBNet-Members list. This will go out to anyone who is subscribed to any
list on the NFB-Net server. If you need any further assistance with
outreach, please feel free to contact me.

Best of luck,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sam Nelson via
nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 10:46 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] mental health related e-mail list

Hi everyone, 

 My name is Sam. I  am the owner of a yahoo group e-mail list for those that
identify as having a mental illness and are blind/ visually impaired. We
find support from one another and are  a very caring community sharing
resources and generally helping one another through the struggles and
triumphs of living with the various issues that we do. 

 To subscribe send an e-mail to: 

 Blind-mentalhealth-subscribe at yahoogroups.com 

 Lastly I realize I have posted this here before and apologize  if people
would rather me not. If you know of another online venue you think would be
better to do  outreach for the list  please let me know. 

 Hope everyone is having a good Sunday. 

 Sam 



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From robin-melvin at comcast.net  Sun Sep  7 21:41:15 2014
From: robin-melvin at comcast.net (Robin)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 14:41:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness: Light Perception & Totally Blind
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Having "Light Perception" makes a difference as opposed to NOT having 
"Light Perception"

It may NOT give you much Functional Vision, but it does give you some Vision

Talking to People, who have had "Light Perception", they tell me it 
does make a difference especially if they LOSE that "Light Perception"

 From where I sit, Totally Blind people, can't be "Blinded by the Light

I can't speak for Blind and/or LowVision people, who have "Light Perception"

At 08:39 AM 9/7/2014, you wrote:
>Hi Carly,
>
>I think it depends on context.  I have a little light perception, 
>but I don't have usable vision (unless you count knowing if the sun 
>is up yet when I wake up in the morning as usable), so if someone 
>asks in a context where what they want to know is if I have usable 
>vision, I identify as totally blind.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,"'Joseph Hudson'" 
><jhud7789 at outlook.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:09:13 -0700
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>
>Good morning, Mabelin,
>
>         How does someone identify as totally blind with light
>perception? Enlighten us, won't you?
>for today, Car
>
>At 03:34 PM 9/5/2014, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>Good to have you.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:33 PM
>To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>
>Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you here
>welcome to the group.
>On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>wrote:
>
>Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
>perception.
>I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
>Take care everyone.
>Mabelin
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sun Sep  7 21:42:18 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:42:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
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There is also a list for blind musicians which you might find helpful. This
list can be found at: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/musictlk_nfbnet.org

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:08 AM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; marissat789 at gmail.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa


Hi,

Thanks so much! I didn't know there was a performing list! That's cool!


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hello Marissa,

Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts 
division
email list.  I would imagine you would probably receive more 
helpful
answers on there than you would on here.  You can find 
information for this
email list at www.nfbnet.org.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hi guys,

So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I 
have tunes
too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I 
can never do
so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano, 
that I would
like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried, 
but nothing
comes to mind.

Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I 
just forget
them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few 
of my piano
songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I 
rember a few of
them, the ones I really really like.

Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off 
list?

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:15:13 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:15:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
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Hi there,

I'm majoring in music therapy now, and one of the things we do a lot
is help clients write songs of their own.  Though I don't have much
experience in this yet for clinical use, and since you're not really
looking for it, I'll just give you some basic tips that I've learned
about from attending professional conferences and workshops on
songwriting.  :)

First, try to look at any sets of lyrics you might have.  Do they have
a rhythm you might want to consider using?  Sometimes rhythm can be
more important than pitches or chords, because part of what rhythm
does is help to convey the feeling like poetry does.  Once you
establish a rhythm scheme you have one more aspect of the song puzzled
in.

Next, try to come up with a melody.  This is the part that's always
been hardest for me.  Don't make it outrageiously large in range, it
should be something you're comfortable singing.

Next, you can put the chords in fairly easily.  Look at the key your
melody is in, then focus the chords around that melody.  A very
generic chord progression for modern songs is one, six, four, five,
repeat.  If it's minor you could try the same progression, it will
just sound different.  Other patterns are one, four, five, or one six,
two, five, one.  That is the common "Doo whop" progression you would
hear in a lot of fifties or sixties music, think Grease.  That one is
kind of nice because it is a little more unexpected any more.

When you're working the other way around, start with your melody and
try to add words and a rhythm to it.  The chords should fall into
place naturally based on what the other elements of your song are.
Really, they're the least important part, so they'll come later.

Another thing you could do to practice writing lyrics and playing
popular chord progressions is to parody popular songs.  I did this a
lot with a friend when I was younger, and now that I know a little
more about songwriting some of what we did as 14 and 15 year olds is
actually really good.  The parodies can be humorous---they don't have
to be serious at all, it's just a way to get you practicing working
with rhythm and writing about a different topic.  You can also try
taking established words and writing a new melody to them, then adding
in chords to make a new arrangement.

Hope this helps.

On 9/7/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There is also a list for blind musicians which you might find helpful. This
> list can be found at:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/musictlk_nfbnet.org
>
> Chris
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:08 AM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; marissat789 at gmail.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
>
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks so much! I didn't know there was a performing list! That's cool!
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
> To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
>
> Hello Marissa,
>
> Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts
> division
> email list.  I would imagine you would probably receive more
> helpful
> answers on there than you would on here.  You can find
> information for this
> email list at www.nfbnet.org.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Marissa Tejeda
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
> To: Nabsl
> Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
>
> Hi guys,
>
> So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I
> have tunes
> too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I
> can never do
> so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano,
> that I would
> like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried,
> but nothing
> comes to mind.
>
> Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I
> just forget
> them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few
> of my piano
> songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I
> rember a few of
> them, the ones I really really like.
>
> Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off
> list?
>
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-- 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:20:48 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:20:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
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Bill Brown's catalog is great.  He does a good job of speaking the
notes.  That's how I learned my first few guitar chords.

As I mentioned in my email to you about writing songs, most pop songs
these days have a 1, 6, 4, 5 pattern of chords.  Just to give you an
example of how common this is in pop music, here's a link to a song
called the "Four Chord Song" by a group called The Axis of Awesome.
Basically, the pianist just plays E major, B major, C-sharp minor, and
A major for the entire time, and has all these different songs that
work with the chords.  Check it out. for just a sample of songs that
will work fine with that chord progression

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I


On 9/6/14, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Have you searched Bard's Music section? Or Bill Brown's catalogue?
>
> Gera
> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>
> El 06/09/2014, a las 10:13 p.m., Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> escribió:
>
>> Hi again, guys,
>>
>> I would like to learn a basic piano song, that has words to it.
>> Basically, I need/want a song, for soprano singers, (such as myself), that
>> has a basic and simple pattern to play on piano.  I'm trying to get over
>> my shyness, (which will be tough, but manageable), and someone said I need
>> to sing and play piano, at the same time; that it will impress a lot of
>> people.
>>
>> People say I'm a good pianist and singer, (among other things), so I might
>> as well do both together.
>> Any song suggestions would be great.  I have to find a tutorial on
>> youtube, where the person speaks the notes, for the song, though.  That
>> may make things harder.
>>
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-- 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:23:03 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:23:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
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Sorry, I forgot to mention that the dialog before the songs has one
instance of profanity, but it's supposed to be comic relief.  I
honestly forgot it was there, so I apologize, but it is a really good
resource to demonstrate just how common this chord progression is.

On 9/7/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill Brown's catalog is great.  He does a good job of speaking the
> notes.  That's how I learned my first few guitar chords.
>
> As I mentioned in my email to you about writing songs, most pop songs
> these days have a 1, 6, 4, 5 pattern of chords.  Just to give you an
> example of how common this is in pop music, here's a link to a song
> called the "Four Chord Song" by a group called The Axis of Awesome.
> Basically, the pianist just plays E major, B major, C-sharp minor, and
> A major for the entire time, and has all these different songs that
> work with the chords.  Check it out. for just a sample of songs that
> will work fine with that chord progression
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
>
>
> On 9/6/14, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Have you searched Bard's Music section? Or Bill Brown's catalogue?
>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>> El 06/09/2014, a las 10:13 p.m., Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi again, guys,
>>>
>>> I would like to learn a basic piano song, that has words to it.
>>> Basically, I need/want a song, for soprano singers, (such as myself),
>>> that
>>> has a basic and simple pattern to play on piano.  I'm trying to get over
>>> my shyness, (which will be tough, but manageable), and someone said I
>>> need
>>> to sing and play piano, at the same time; that it will impress a lot of
>>> people.
>>>
>>> People say I'm a good pianist and singer, (among other things), so I
>>> might
>>> as well do both together.
>>> Any song suggestions would be great.  I have to find a tutorial on
>>> youtube, where the person speaks the notes, for the song, though.  That
>>> may make things harder.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:31:00 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 19:31:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
Message-ID: <540d14e9.e439440a.1c9e.72c1@mx.google.com>


Thanks so much.

I have several songs written, and some have melodys, (actually, 
four out of the five or six, do), it's just the piano part that I 
can never seem to put down.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:15:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hi there,

I'm majoring in music therapy now, and one of the things we do a 
lot
is help clients write songs of their own.  Though I don't have 
much
experience in this yet for clinical use, and since you're not 
really
looking for it, I'll just give you some basic tips that I've 
learned
about from attending professional conferences and workshops on
songwriting.  :)

First, try to look at any sets of lyrics you might have.  Do they 
have
a rhythm you might want to consider using?  Sometimes rhythm can 
be
more important than pitches or chords, because part of what 
rhythm
does is help to convey the feeling like poetry does.  Once you
establish a rhythm scheme you have one more aspect of the song 
puzzled
in.

Next, try to come up with a melody.  This is the part that's 
always
been hardest for me.  Don't make it outrageiously large in range, 
it
should be something you're comfortable singing.

Next, you can put the chords in fairly easily.  Look at the key 
your
melody is in, then focus the chords around that melody.  A very
generic chord progression for modern songs is one, six, four, 
five,
repeat.  If it's minor you could try the same progression, it 
will
just sound different.  Other patterns are one, four, five, or one 
six,
two, five, one.  That is the common "Doo whop" progression you 
would
hear in a lot of fifties or sixties music, think Grease.  That 
one is
kind of nice because it is a little more unexpected any more.

When you're working the other way around, start with your melody 
and
try to add words and a rhythm to it.  The chords should fall into
place naturally based on what the other elements of your song 
are.
Really, they're the least important part, so they'll come later.

Another thing you could do to practice writing lyrics and playing
popular chord progressions is to parody popular songs.  I did 
this a
lot with a friend when I was younger, and now that I know a 
little
more about songwriting some of what we did as 14 and 15 year olds 
is
actually really good.  The parodies can be humorous---they don't 
have
to be serious at all, it's just a way to get you practicing 
working
with rhythm and writing about a different topic.  You can also 
try
taking established words and writing a new melody to them, then 
adding
in chords to make a new arrangement.

Hope this helps.

On 9/7/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There is also a list for blind musicians which you might find 
helpful.  This
 list can be found at:
 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/musictlk_nfbnet.org

 Chris

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Tejeda
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: Elizabeth Mohnke; marissat789 at gmail.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa


 Hi,

 Thanks so much! I didn't know there was a performing list! 
That's cool!


  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
 To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National
 Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
 Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

 Hello Marissa,

 Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts
 division
 email list.  I would imagine you would probably receive more
 helpful
 answers on there than you would on here.  You can find
 information for this
 email list at www.nfbnet.org.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Marissa Tejeda
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
 To: Nabsl
 Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

 Hi guys,

 So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I
 have tunes
 too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I
 can never do
 so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano,
 that I would
 like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried,
 but nothing
 comes to mind.

 Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I
 just forget
 them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few
 of my piano
 songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I
 rember a few of
 them, the ones I really really like.

 Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off
 list?

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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:31:02 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 19:31:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
Message-ID: <540d14ec.e439440a.1c9e.72c4@mx.google.com>


I just realized I put spelled singers wrong.

Ah well.

Yes, I went to BARD, and now, thanks to them, and Bill Brown, I'm 
learning Brahms Lullaby.  I need a pedal, but it'll work without.  
lol

He even says when to pedal or not to pedal.  He's
great!

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Gerardo Corripio <gera1027 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:20:48 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?

Bill Brown's catalog is great.  He does a good job of speaking 
the
notes.  That's how I learned my first few guitar chords

From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 02:32:46 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 21:32:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZRj_id8z4V9sAnQJE_OhoWKQv6Opxud+W44ESzb2KNWQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540bcd65.e55f440a.6ddb.11ef@mx.google.com>
	<8D1FD7D0-90B2-48AB-8A30-DE3DD08AA3A5@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FaPyPCPQ6Bq7d_2OcJ+ufFYNC2q+cUbZBLYq1jV-aAuog@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZRj_id8z4V9sAnQJE_OhoWKQv6Opxud+W44ESzb2KNWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00b801cfcb0d$2faa0a40$8efe1ec0$@gmail.com>

 Hey. 
 Thanks for sharing  this! It made me laugh and I was impressed at how well
this one singer could access his head voice! Clearly the group is incredibly
connected and loves what they do. 
 Thanks again. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 9:23 PM
To: Gerardo Corripio; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Songs for soprano sers?

Sorry, I forgot to mention that the dialog before the songs has one instance
of profanity, but it's supposed to be comic relief.  I honestly forgot it
was there, so I apologize, but it is a really good resource to demonstrate
just how common this chord progression is.

On 9/7/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Bill Brown's catalog is great.  He does a good job of speaking the 
> notes.  That's how I learned my first few guitar chords.
>
> As I mentioned in my email to you about writing songs, most pop songs 
> these days have a 1, 6, 4, 5 pattern of chords.  Just to give you an 
> example of how common this is in pop music, here's a link to a song 
> called the "Four Chord Song" by a group called The Axis of Awesome.
> Basically, the pianist just plays E major, B major, C-sharp minor, and 
> A major for the entire time, and has all these different songs that 
> work with the chords.  Check it out. for just a sample of songs that 
> will work fine with that chord progression
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5pidokakU4I
>
>
> On 9/6/14, Gerardo Corripio via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Have you searched Bard's Music section? Or Bill Brown's catalogue?
>>
>> Gera
>> Enviado desde mi iPhone
>>
>> El 06/09/2014, a las 10:13 p.m., Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> escribió:
>>
>>> Hi again, guys,
>>>
>>> I would like to learn a basic piano song, that has words to it.
>>> Basically, I need/want a song, for soprano singers, (such as 
>>> myself), that has a basic and simple pattern to play on piano.  I'm 
>>> trying to get over my shyness, (which will be tough, but 
>>> manageable), and someone said I need to sing and play piano, at the 
>>> same time; that it will impress a lot of people.
>>>
>>> People say I'm a good pianist and singer, (among other things), so I 
>>> might as well do both together.
>>> Any song suggestions would be great.  I have to find a tutorial on 
>>> youtube, where the person speaks the notes, for the song, though.  
>>> That may make things harder.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> .com
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 03:31:03 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Sun, 07 Sep 2014 20:31:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa
Message-ID: <540d22fc.22de440a.4cdf.5076@mx.google.com>

O, the chords I have been using, and remember, are
C, g, a, and F, in different inversions.
One set is:
g-c-E, g-b-D a-c-E and a-c-f
that pattern I use with it, one of my friends said it sounds like 
a sceen from a movie where a coupe is walking along the beach, or 
it's a dramitc sceen.
I also do this:
e-g-C, d-G-B, e-a-c and f-A-C

Sometimes I'll use them both, but all I do is a simple pattern, I 
can't think of anything else to do.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>, National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 22:15:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

Hi there,

I'm majoring in music therapy now, and one of the things we do a 
lot
is help clients write songs of their own.  Though I don't have 
much
experience in this yet for clinical use, and since you're not 
really
looking for it, I'll just give you some basic tips that I've 
learned
about from attending professional conferences and workshops on
songwriting.  :)

First, try to look at any sets of lyrics you might have.  Do they 
have
a rhythm you might want to consider using?  Sometimes rhythm can 
be
more important than pitches or chords, because part of what 
rhythm
does is help to convey the feeling like poetry does.  Once you
establish a rhythm scheme you have one more aspect of the song 
puzzled
in.

Next, try to come up with a melody.  This is the part that's 
always
been hardest for me.  Don't make it outrageiously large in range, 
it
should be something you're comfortable singing.

Next, you can put the chords in fairly easily.  Look at the key 
your
melody is in, then focus the chords around that melody.  A very
generic chord progression for modern songs is one, six, four, 
five,
repeat.  If it's minor you could try the same progression, it 
will
just sound different.  Other patterns are one, four, five, or one 
six,
two, five, one.  That is the common "Doo whop" progression you 
would
hear in a lot of fifties or sixties music, think Grease.  That 
one is
kind of nice because it is a little more unexpected any more.

When you're working the other way around, start with your melody 
and
try to add words and a rhythm to it.  The chords should fall into
place naturally based on what the other elements of your song 
are.
Really, they're the least important part, so they'll come later.

Another thing you could do to practice writing lyrics and playing
popular chord progressions is to parody popular songs.  I did 
this a
lot with a friend when I was younger, and now that I know a 
little
more about songwriting some of what we did as 14 and 15 year olds 
is
actually really good.  The parodies can be humorous---they don't 
have
to be serious at all, it's just a way to get you practicing 
working
with rhythm and writing about a different topic.  You can also 
try
taking established words and writing a new melody to them, then 
adding
in chords to make a new arrangement.

Hope this helps.

On 9/7/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There is also a list for blind musicians which you might find 
helpful.  This
 list can be found at:
 http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/musictlk_nfbnet.org

 Chris

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Marissa Tejeda
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 12:08 AM
 To: Elizabeth Mohnke; marissat789 at gmail.com; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa


 Hi,

 Thanks so much! I didn't know there was a performing list! 
That's cool!


  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
 To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National
 Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 00:01:43 -0400
 Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

 Hello Marissa,

 Perhaps you may wish to post this message on the performing arts
 division
 email list.  I would imagine you would probably receive more
 helpful
 answers on there than you would on here.  You can find
 information for this
 email list at www.nfbnet.org.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 Marissa Tejeda
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2014 11:08 PM
 To: Nabsl
 Subject: [nabs-l] Writing lyrics to chords, or vise versa

 Hi guys,

 So, I have written about five original songs.  Some of them, I
 have tunes
 too, but when I sit at the piano and try to figure them out, I
 can never do
 so.  Also, I have a pattern of chords that I made up on piano,
 that I would
 like to put words to, but cannot, for some reason.  I've tried,
 but nothing
 comes to mind.

 Several of my songs have no tunes at all, (though, they do, I
 just forget
 them), and I can't put music behind it.  The same goes for a few
 of my piano
 songs I have composed, then forgot how to play.  Luckily, I
 rember a few of
 them, the ones I really really like.

 Does anyone have any tips, advice, or would like to help me off
 list?

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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 11:44:33 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
Message-ID: <CADFycPYyB2w1=2tAK-b0sh49Ykd4_fbSNOS+ens9ujtr-RugKA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At this
stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any contractions
and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who are as
proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I need
to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own. What
techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the standpoint
of learning Braille?
I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,
Rahul


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 11:47:50 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 07:47:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPYyB2w1=2tAK-b0sh49Ykd4_fbSNOS+ens9ujtr-RugKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPYyB2w1=2tAK-b0sh49Ykd4_fbSNOS+ens9ujtr-RugKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <76BADB82-8030-43EA-9102-9AF48C47A041@gmail.com>

I would look into the online Braille course from Hadley, found at hadley.edu.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:44 AM, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
> Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At this
> stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
> marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any contractions
> and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
> Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who are as
> proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I need
> to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own. What
> techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
> Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the standpoint
> of learning Braille?
> I look forward to hearing from you.
> 
> Best,
> Rahul
> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 12:25:08 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540da02a.c6da420a.76aa.ffffa9c9@mx.google.com>

Hi guys,

So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what 
people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give 
someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and 
a myth, or reality and true?


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 12:45:32 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <540da02a.c6da420a.76aa.ffffa9c9@mx.google.com>
References: <540da02a.c6da420a.76aa.ffffa9c9@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9EA003E9-B869-47E3-B22F-E21C90B3B774@gmail.com>

It's a myth. I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to. I don't know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out. (Smile)

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 13:10:07 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 06:10:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>


Same here.  But where did it even come from?


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known 
any blind person who has, although sighted people have on 
occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't 
know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the 
face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what 
people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give 
someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and 
a myth, or reality and true?

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 13:14:16 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:14:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
References: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D6F54B6C-C8D5-4643-B865-F0CBC46FB259@gmail.com>

I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in which movie a blind character first did it.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> 
> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
> 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 13:21:51 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:21:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
In-Reply-To: <CADFycPYyB2w1=2tAK-b0sh49Ykd4_fbSNOS+ens9ujtr-RugKA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADFycPYyB2w1=2tAK-b0sh49Ykd4_fbSNOS+ens9ujtr-RugKA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5A91FA90FD7B441C9B22E801C95CB7F7@Helga>

Hi Rahul, how are you? I just wanted to tell you that I know how to read 
contracted Braille, and if you want I can teach you how to read it. And also 
suggest you to take a course in the Hadley school in order for them to teach 
you how to learn Braille. Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God 
bless!
P.S. If you have any questions regarding this matter, feel fre to contact me 
off-list by using my contact info that is located below in my email 
signature ok?



Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind 
Students
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research

Phone: (561) 706-5950
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever 
believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
-----Original Message----- 
From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 8, 2014 7:44 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille

Hi all,

Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At this
stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any contractions
and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who are as
proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I need
to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own. What
techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the standpoint
of learning Braille?
I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,
Rahul

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 13:25:27 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 09:25:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting More Involved with Nabs
Message-ID: <540dae68.46b0b60a.6f1f.07e0@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to get more involved with Nabs on the national level.  
I'm also getting more involved with Fabs on the local level.  Is 
there any way that I can participate on the conference calls?


From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 13:29:49 2014
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 09:29:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting More Involved with Nabs
In-Reply-To: <540dae68.46b0b60a.6f1f.07e0@mx.google.com>
References: <540dae68.46b0b60a.6f1f.07e0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAE8_=nQGWUzoAm5gvNMG1AkBV3xdYWYhtRgm0K8WpCNmuyUfHw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Roanna,
Watch for notifications about the membership calls. They are open to
anyone. Also, try to join a committee or two. I'm sure NABS could use
some help on that front. Someone should have the lists of the
committee chairs; I do not. Good luck! I love serving on committees
and getting the work of the organization done!

On 9/8/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dear Students,
>
> I'd like to get more involved with Nabs on the national level.
> I'm also getting more involved with Fabs on the local level.  Is
> there any way that I can participate on the conference calls?
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
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Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199

The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
- Arabian Proverb


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 15:46:13 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:46:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Getting More Involved with Nabs
In-Reply-To: <CAE8_=nQGWUzoAm5gvNMG1AkBV3xdYWYhtRgm0K8WpCNmuyUfHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540dae68.46b0b60a.6f1f.07e0@mx.google.com>
	<CAE8_=nQGWUzoAm5gvNMG1AkBV3xdYWYhtRgm0K8WpCNmuyUfHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <97AA3880-ADEC-436E-8400-61095359AA65@gmail.com>

Good Morning,
 I will say that joining a committee is the best way to get involved in NABs.  NABS recently put out a list of committees on the student  master   distribution list, so if you are on a student  division list, you should have seen it by now.
 communications,  fundraising,  student slate, membership and website are the committees. I can’t seem to remember who serves on each committee as chair, but you might contact Sean  Whalen at nabs.president at gmail.com. Give him a couple of days to respond, I hear he is backlogged  a bit.
 If you want results more quickly you might visit www.nabslink.org  where committee chairs can be found under the name of the board member who might be associated with it.
 I hope this is helpful.
 
 As a quick note, if you ran for a boar position  and didn’t get it, I would truly hope you consider  serving  on a committee.  Also if you might want to serve on the board at some point, you might get your feet wet by being on a committee.  I think that everyone  who even kind of considers the idea should serve on a committee, as this might  serve  as a gateway to serve  in various  other parts of the Federation (we are needed not only in  NABS, you know).
 Take care,
  Darian        
On Sep 8, 2014, at 6:29 AM, Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Roanna,
> Watch for notifications about the membership calls. They are open to
> anyone. Also, try to join a committee or two. I'm sure NABS could use
> some help on that front. Someone should have the lists of the
> committee chairs; I do not. Good luck! I love serving on committees
> and getting the work of the organization done!
> 
> On 9/8/14, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I'd like to get more involved with Nabs on the national level.
>> I'm also getting more involved with Fabs on the local level.  Is
>> there any way that I can participate on the conference calls?
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Aleeha Dudley and Seeing Eye Yellow Labrador Dallas
> Vice President, Ohio Association of Blind Students
> Email: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com
> Follow me on Twitter at @blindcowgirl199
> 
> The wind of heaven is that which blows between a horse's ears.
> - Arabian Proverb
> 
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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 15:59:46 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 11:59:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <D6F54B6C-C8D5-4643-B865-F0CBC46FB259@gmail.com>
References: <540daab5.27da420a.4856.ffffbf63@mx.google.com>
	<D6F54B6C-C8D5-4643-B865-F0CBC46FB259@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJMVeY0=_cEOQd4dr64Gggs=49zyKtP7Du7B6ujoZeEUMkucwg@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/8/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in
> which movie a blind character first did it.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind
>> person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to
>> feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it would help, but
>> something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out.
>> (Smile)
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to
>> asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.
>> Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they
>> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> nabs-l:
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>
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From gera1027 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:23:50 2014
From: gera1027 at gmail.com (Gerardo Corripio)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 11:23:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <9EA003E9-B869-47E3-B22F-E21C90B3B774@gmail.com>
References: <540da02a.c6da420a.76aa.ffffa9c9@mx.google.com>
	<9EA003E9-B869-47E3-B22F-E21C90B3B774@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <540DD816.7070100@gmail.com>

  Me neither! I have the image of the person's voice already, thus what 
difference would it make if he has a Pinochoe nose, or big eyes?

El 08/09/2014 07:45 a.m., Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l escribió:
> It's a myth. I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to. I don't know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out. (Smile)
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:46:00 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:46:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>

I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and 
like my parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and 
something that happens in a lot of literature and movies.  
Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think 
knowing what people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Hi guys,

So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got
around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what
people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give
someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and
a myth, or reality and true?

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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 16:46:02 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 12:46:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
Message-ID: <540ddd85.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7b0@mx.google.com>

As others have said, Hadley is a good resource.  Your notetaker
could be useful too because you can set it to display in 
contracted or uncontracted Braille, and if you have it set to 
contracted Braille it will uncontract things you put your curser 
on, so you can find out what unfamiliar contractions mean very 
easily.
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille

Hi all,

Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At 
this
stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any 
contractions
and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who 
are as
proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I 
need
to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own. 
What
techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the 
standpoint
of learning Braille?
I look forward to hearing from you.

Best,
Rahul

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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Mon Sep  8 17:30:02 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 13:30:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] case law books
Message-ID: <540DE79A.7070506@tysdomain.com>

Hello all,
One of my friends is in her first year at law school and has been having 
some trouble getting ahold of books. I was wondering what resources 
people have used in the past; would they be on ATN? Is there another 
repository of hopefully accessible books?
Thanks,

-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Sep  8 18:33:55 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:33:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS Needs Your Help
In-Reply-To: <b74cd7d28a1e42eebaeaff43fdcc6d9e@yahoo.com>
References: <b74cd7d28a1e42eebaeaff43fdcc6d9e@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS3689E94FE7B230C4A29C140BAC10@phx.gbl>

Hello Roanna,

 

Here is the email that was sent out about the committee assignments. I hope this helps you in being able to indentify how you would like to become more involved with NABS.

 

Warm regards,

Elizabeth

 

From: Nfbnet-students-list [mailto:nfbnet-students-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of codyjbair--- via Nfbnet-students-list
Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:07 PM
To: nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org; nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
Subject: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS Needs Your Help

 

Greetings Nabs,

Now that you all have had some time to rest up from convention, enjoy your summer, and are eagerly anticipating what is sure to be one of the best school years to date as well as an exciting year for NABS, I am writing to inform you that we could very much use your help. Many of the functions performed by NABS are carried out via committees which we are recruiting committed, enthusiastic individuals to serve on. Below I have included a brief description of the responsibilities of each committee as well as the person whom you should contact should you so desire to serve on the committee.

 

1.       Membership

Responsibilities:

*         Run membership calls.

*         Spearhead outreach and recruitment with new and potential members.

*         Work with website team on issues related to membership database.

*         Serve as lead on projects aimed at expanding membership such as
training center letters project.

Chair Person: Candice Chapman

 <mailto:Chapman.candicel at gmail.com> Chapman.candicel at gmail.com

 

2. Fund Raising

Responsibilities:

*         Plan and implement the Washington Seminar Auction and Monte Carlo Night at National Convention.  The ideal candidate is someone who will be in attendance in one or both of these events.  While this is certainly not a prerequisite, it would be helpful.

*         Recruit and Train fundraisers from state student divisions to pursue small corporate donations.  We are looking for people that have an interest in learning how to fundraise and those who are already strong fundraisers.  The most important requirement is a desire to get involved and make a difference.

 

Chair Person: Derek Manners

 

dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu <mailto:dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu> 

903-271-6494

 

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*         Put out monthly NABS Notes updates and include board meeting minutes each month.

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state divisions, and other national divisions.

*         Disseminate announcements and information on lists and through
membership database.
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1.      Website

*         Generate content for NABS' website and keep it current.

*         Improve the resource list we currently provide.

*         Figure out how to best use Drupal and our database with the website.
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We hope you will consider helping us by taking on an active role in one of the above committees as your participation is vital to helping the 2014-2015 NABS term being as fantastic as we all desire.

 

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 18:48:58 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:48:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
Adam via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my
parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that happens
in a lot of literature and movies.  
Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing what
people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Hi guys,

So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to
asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do
people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the
face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?

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From alana.leonhardy at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 19:29:04 2014
From: alana.leonhardy at gmail.com (Alana Leonhardy)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:29:04 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <004101cfcb95$8feb93a0$afc2bae0$@gmail.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>
	<004101cfcb95$8feb93a0$afc2bae0$@gmail.com>
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There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone else's face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a blind person who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
> Adam via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> 
> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my
> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that happens
> in a lot of literature and movies.  
> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing what
> people's faces are like is important do this?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to
> asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do
> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the
> face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 19:40:23 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 12:40:23 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <147F8A70-66A4-47D7-8178-91B565EF24C9@gmail.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>
	<004101cfcb95$8feb93a0$afc2bae0$@gmail.com>
	<147F8A70-66A4-47D7-8178-91B565EF24C9@gmail.com>
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Absolute myth. Human brains are programmed to recognize faces
visually. The details that people recognize visually cannot be easily
perceived by touch. To me all faces feel the same, except maybe
whether or not the person has facial hair. It's ridiculous to think
that blind people should feel faces to recognize people or gain
information about what they look like visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look like,
but that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that I
get from hugging them not feeling their faces. Even those mental
images are pretty vague. The best way I can tell people apart is by
their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone else's
> face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a blind person
> who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers who thought I was
> odd for not warning to touch them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl Martin
>> Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
>> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my
>> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that
>> happens
>> in a lot of literature and movies.
>> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing what
>> people's faces are like is important do this?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to
>> asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.
>> Do
>> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel
>> the
>> face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 19:52:08 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 14:52:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Having trouble with iPhone
Message-ID: <A3FB35CB-2F84-4282-871E-6B3273EF7864@gmail.com>

Hello all,
I was wondering if someone could help me with my iPhone. I use voice over and usually when I am typing I'm able to put my finger on the letter and have the letter read aloud and then double tap to select. However, now, when I put my finger on a letter it is automatically select it without me having to double tap. I do not want this because it can mess up typing for me. I preferred having the setting to where I can touch the letter to know what it is and then double tap to select the letter that I wish. If anyone could help me change the setting would be greatly appreciated. I look around in the settings menu but saw nothing that could fix this problem. Thank you in advance :-)
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 19:59:56 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 15:59:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Having trouble with iPhone
In-Reply-To: <A3FB35CB-2F84-4282-871E-6B3273EF7864@gmail.com>
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Hi Gloria

you might be in touch type mode. If you access the area where you can
choose between characters, words, headings, etc (by holding one finger
on the screen and swiping up with the other one) until you hear
something about typing. I think this is how you fix it but anyone
correct me if I'm wrong.

Sofia

On 9/8/14, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> I was wondering if someone could help me with my iPhone. I use voice over
> and usually when I am typing I'm able to put my finger on the letter and
> have the letter read aloud and then double tap to select. However, now, when
> I put my finger on a letter it is automatically select it without me having
> to double tap. I do not want this because it can mess up typing for me. I
> preferred having the setting to where I can touch the letter to know what it
> is and then double tap to select the letter that I wish. If anyone could
> help me change the setting would be greatly appreciated. I look around in
> the settings menu but saw nothing that could fix this problem. Thank you in
> advance :-)
> Gloria
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:06:52 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:06:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCJ9+adoqZbi7DCz1Sg+CtYWUAYcyr3Wc+S83h+aSoovw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>	<004101cfcb95$8feb93a0$afc2bae0$@gmail.com>	<147F8A70-66A4-47D7-8178-91B565EF24C9@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCJ9+adoqZbi7DCz1Sg+CtYWUAYcyr3Wc+S83h+aSoovw@mail.gmail.com>
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If you wanted to, you could discern the different features of the face, but
why?
For what you get, the effort is not worth it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth. Human brains are programmed to recognize faces visually. The
details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived by touch.
To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the person has
facial hair. It's ridiculous to think that blind people should feel faces to
recognize people or gain information about what they look like visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces. Even those mental images are pretty
vague. The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone 
> else's face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a 
> blind person who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers 
> who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
>> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my 
>> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that 
>> happens in a lot of literature and movies.
>> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing 
>> what people's faces are like is important do this?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around 
>> to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look
like.
>> Do
>> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they 
>> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 20:08:09 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:08:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCJ9+adoqZbi7DCz1Sg+CtYWUAYcyr3Wc+S83h+aSoovw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540ddd83.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7ae@mx.google.com>	<004101cfcb95$8feb93a0$afc2bae0$@gmail.com>	<147F8A70-66A4-47D7-8178-91B565EF24C9@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJCJ9+adoqZbi7DCz1Sg+CtYWUAYcyr3Wc+S83h+aSoovw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00d401cfcba0$9cde3d50$d69ab7f0$@gmail.com>

I haven't even felt my mother's and father's face in a very long time, like
as long as a childhood.   I remember my dad mentioning that one several
years ago.  I quickly changed the subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth. Human brains are programmed to recognize faces visually. The
details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived by touch.
To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the person has
facial hair. It's ridiculous to think that blind people should feel faces to
recognize people or gain information about what they look like visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces. Even those mental images are pretty
vague. The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone 
> else's face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a 
> blind person who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers 
> who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
>> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my 
>> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that 
>> happens in a lot of literature and movies.
>> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing 
>> what people's faces are like is important do this?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around 
>> to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look
like.
>> Do
>> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they 
>> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 21:22:35 2014
From: ryan.bishop96 at gmail.com (ryan bishop)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 14:22:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having trouble with iPhone
Message-ID: <540e1eda.24e7440a.3af3.ffffd95b@mx.google.com>

Hi,

Ok, in order to fix your problem, go into an edit field of any 
kind, a message, etc, and then put 2 fingers on the screen of 
your phone to access the router.  Slowly turn the two fingers 
round in a clockwise circle until you hear typing mode.  Change 
that to touch typing.  You can also cycle through the 2 modes 
this way.  Hope this helps, otherwise let me know!!!!
Ryan


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Sep  8 21:51:29 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:51:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Having trouble with iPhone
In-Reply-To: <A3FB35CB-2F84-4282-871E-6B3273EF7864@gmail.com>
References: <A3FB35CB-2F84-4282-871E-6B3273EF7864@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP14D96E5D5FE276FFA99C71CEC10@phx.gbl>

Hi Gloria, first things first you need to be in and fill whether that be a text message, e-mail, or a note. Then turn your finger clockwise or counterclockwise until you hear something called touch typing, then wake up with one finger and you will be back at standard typing. Then after that repeat the process until your way from the typing mode. Hope this helps and if you have another questions feel free to write me.
On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello all,
> I was wondering if someone could help me with my iPhone. I use voice over and usually when I am typing I'm able to put my finger on the letter and have the letter read aloud and then double tap to select. However, now, when I put my finger on a letter it is automatically select it without me having to double tap. I do not want this because it can mess up typing for me. I preferred having the setting to where I can touch the letter to know what it is and then double tap to select the letter that I wish. If anyone could help me change the setting would be greatly appreciated. I look around in the settings menu but saw nothing that could fix this problem. Thank you in advance :-)
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Sep  8 22:14:07 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:14:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS Needs Your Help
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS3689E94FE7B230C4A29C140BAC10@phx.gbl>
References: <b74cd7d28a1e42eebaeaff43fdcc6d9e@yahoo.com>
	<COL401-EAS3689E94FE7B230C4A29C140BAC10@phx.gbl>
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Howdy, as a board member of NABS who is chairing the fundraising committee, I would love to have you on my team. Bre Brown and I have not gotten a team together yet and many of the other committees have a lot of members already. Joining fundraising will be the most rewarding in my opinion because money is vital to everything we do and there's a lot of work to chose from so you'll have your pick. 

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 2:33 PM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Roanna,
> 
> 
> 
> Here is the email that was sent out about the committee assignments. I hope this helps you in being able to indentify how you would like to become more involved with NABS.
> 
> 
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> From: Nfbnet-students-list [mailto:nfbnet-students-list-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of codyjbair--- via Nfbnet-students-list
> Sent: Wednesday, August 20, 2014 5:07 PM
> To: nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org; nfbnet-students-list at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [Nfbnet-students-list] NABS Needs Your Help
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings Nabs,
> 
> Now that you all have had some time to rest up from convention, enjoy your summer, and are eagerly anticipating what is sure to be one of the best school years to date as well as an exciting year for NABS, I am writing to inform you that we could very much use your help. Many of the functions performed by NABS are carried out via committees which we are recruiting committed, enthusiastic individuals to serve on. Below I have included a brief description of the responsibilities of each committee as well as the person whom you should contact should you so desire to serve on the committee.
> 
> 
> 
> 1.       Membership
> 
> Responsibilities:
> 
> *         Run membership calls.
> 
> *         Spearhead outreach and recruitment with new and potential members.
> 
> *         Work with website team on issues related to membership database.
> 
> *         Serve as lead on projects aimed at expanding membership such as
> training center letters project.
> 
> Chair Person: Candice Chapman
> 
> <mailto:Chapman.candicel at gmail.com> Chapman.candicel at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 2. Fund Raising
> 
> Responsibilities:
> 
> *         Plan and implement the Washington Seminar Auction and Monte Carlo Night at National Convention.  The ideal candidate is someone who will be in attendance in one or both of these events.  While this is certainly not a prerequisite, it would be helpful.
> 
> *         Recruit and Train fundraisers from state student divisions to pursue small corporate donations.  We are looking for people that have an interest in learning how to fundraise and those who are already strong fundraisers.  The most important requirement is a desire to get involved and make a difference.
> 
> 
> 
> Chair Person: Derek Manners
> 
> 
> 
> dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu <mailto:dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu> 
> 
> 903-271-6494
> 
> 
> 
> 1.      Communications
> 
> Responsibilities:
> 
> *         Put out monthly NABS Notes updates and include board meeting minutes each month.
> 
> *         Maintain and expand social media presence.
> 
> *         Assist me in maintaining close communication with our national office, 
> state divisions, and other national divisions.
> 
> *         Disseminate announcements and information on lists and through
> membership database.
> Chair Person: Gabe Cazares
> 
> <mailto:Gcazares10 at gmail.com> Gcazares10 at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 4. Student Slate
> 
> Responsibilities:
> 
> *         Put out quarterly, high-quality issues of our newsletter.
> 
> *          Seek means by which to expand circulation and readership of the Slate.
> 
> Chair Person: Cody Bair
> 
> <mailto:codyjbair at yahoo.com> codyjbair at yahoo.com
> 
> 
> 
> 1.      Website
> 
> *         Generate content for NABS' website and keep it current.
> 
> *         Improve the resource list we currently provide.
> 
> *         Figure out how to best use Drupal and our database with the website.
> Chair Person: Karen Anderson
> 
> <mailto:Kea.anderson at gmail.com> Kea.anderson at gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> We hope you will consider helping us by taking on an active role in one of the above committees as your participation is vital to helping the 2014-2015 NABS term being as fantastic as we all desire.
> 
> 
> 
> Cody J. Bair
> 
> Board Member
> 
> National Association of Blind Students
> 
> (970)673-6998
> 
> codyjbair at yahoo.com <mailto:codyjbair at yahoo.com>  
> 
> <Untitled attachment 00014.txt>
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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Mon Sep  8 22:17:37 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:17:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <0NBL002Y7SLTI130@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I agree with everything that's been said here.


Another fact which hasn't been mentioned is that if you feel a 
person's face and he or she is not expecting that, it can be 
considered as sexual harassment, which is illegal.  So I would 
recommend not even doing that.

For a blind person to recognize someone, just by their voice is 
the best wan to figure that out, as Arielle said.
 Btw, that's really strange, why would someone think it's odd 
that you don't want to fell their face?
 I think that a sighted person whom you don't know would think 
it's  incredible that the blind person would even recognize them,  
and would ask something like "wow, you can't see me, how do you 
know it was me?" and you could tell them that it's because of 
their voice you recognize, get to know them, and then maybe they 
could come to more of an understanding about blindness and what 
we can do.

 These are my thoughts on this topic, and by the way, great 
discussion.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:08:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I haven't even felt my mother's and father's face in a very long 
time, like
as long as a childhood.   I remember my dad mentioning that one 
several
years ago.  I quickly changed the subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces 
visually.  The
details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived 
by touch.
To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the 
person has
facial hair.  It's ridiculous to think that blind people should 
feel faces to
recognize people or gain information about what they look like 
visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look 
like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that 
I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even those mental images 
are pretty
vague.  The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on 
someone
 else's face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't 
met a
 blind person who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted 
strangers
 who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my 
parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Karl
 Martin Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing
 list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and 
like my
 parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something 
that
 happens in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think 
knowing
 what people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around
 to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people 
look
like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if 
they
 feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and 
true?

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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 22:26:42 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:26:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540e2d29.8187460a.7dbe.ffffd7c5@mx.google.com>


all very well put.
And this kind of adds to the point.  I always tell my friends: 
"You know, one day, if I ever get married, I could marry the 
ugliest guy on Earth and wouldn't know, nor care.  I could marry 
Shreck! It'd make no difference."

then I explain to them why I say that.  Because sighted people 
judge way too much on looks, which I pointed out to a friend 
today, when I heard them talking about someone.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 16:08:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I haven't even felt my mother's and father's face in a very long 
time, like
as long as a childhood.   I remember my dad mentioning that one 
several
years ago.  I quickly changed the subject.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces 
visually.  The
details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived 
by touch.
To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the 
person has
facial hair.  It's ridiculous to think that blind people should 
feel faces to
recognize people or gain information about what they look like 
visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look 
like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that 
I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even those mental images 
are pretty
vague.  The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on 
someone
 else's face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't 
met a
 blind person who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted 
strangers
 who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my 
parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Karl
 Martin Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing
 list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and 
like my
 parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something 
that
 happens in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think 
knowing
 what people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around
 to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people 
look
like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if 
they
 feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and 
true?

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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 22:33:36 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:33:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible survey site?
Message-ID: <540e2ec7.e137460a.7eba.ffffd5d9@mx.google.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know of any sites that I can create free surveys, 
polls, and questionairs for free and accessible on the Apex?

Thanks,
  Marissa


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Sep  8 22:36:09 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:36:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] case law books
In-Reply-To: <540DE79A.7070506@tysdomain.com>
References: <540DE79A.7070506@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <07167797-3180-4F05-A21A-C32D312942BA@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Typically the Dean of Students Office or the disability office at the law school can get the electronic versions if new versions are purchased. I'd start there. Feel free to contact me off list if this isn't successful. My cell is 9032716494. Others may have other advice but this is done at most law schools. 

Best

Derek Manners
2nd year law student
NABS Board Member

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 1:30 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> One of my friends is in her first year at law school and has been having some trouble getting ahold of books. I was wondering what resources people have used in the past; would they be on ATN? Is there another repository of hopefully accessible books?
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 22:42:41 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 15:42:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540e30e8.4b41420a.0f98.ffffe6e0@mx.google.com>

I get asked that question all the time.  I was talking to 
someone, trying to explain how much I could see.  The
person turns away quickly, to say something to someone, not 
trying to be rude.  I said, "Hey, look at me." and a few people: 
"Woah! How'd you know?"
I simply said: "His head was turned the other way while he 
talked.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>, National 
Association of BlindStudents mailing list	<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>, 
arielle71 at gmail.com
Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 18:17:37 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Hi all,

I agree with everything that's been said here.


Another fact which hasn't been mentioned is that if you feel a
person's face and he or she is not expecting that, it can be
considered as sexual harassment, which is illegal.  So I would
recommend not even doing that.

For a blind person to recognize someone, just by their voice is
the best wan to figure that out, as Arielle said.
 Btw, that's really strange, why would someone think it's odd
that you don't want to fell their face?
 I think that a sighted person whom you don't know would think
it's  incredible that the blind person would even recognize them,
and would ask something like "wow, you can't see me, how do you
know it was me?" and you could tell them that it's because of
their voice you recognize, get to know them, and then maybe they
could come to more of an understanding about blindness and what
we can do.

 These are my thoughts on this topic, and by the way, great
discussion.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Arielle Silverman'" <arielle71 at gmail.com>,"'National
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:08:09 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I haven't even felt my mother's and father's face in a very long
time, like
as long as a childhood.   I remember my dad mentioning that one
several
years ago.  I quickly changed the subject.

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Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces
visually.  The
details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived
by touch.
To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the
person has
facial hair.  It's ridiculous to think that blind people should
feel faces to
recognize people or gain information about what they look like
visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look
like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that
I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even those mental images
are pretty
vague.  The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on
someone
 else's face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't
met a
 blind person who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted
strangers
 who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my
parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Karl
 Martin Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students
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 list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and
like my
 parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something
that
 happens in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think
knowing
 what people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got
around
 to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people
look
like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if
they
 feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and
true?

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From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Sep  8 23:25:32 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
In-Reply-To: <D6F54B6C-C8D5-4643-B865-F0CBC46FB259@gmail.com>
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	<D6F54B6C-C8D5-4643-B865-F0CBC46FB259@gmail.com>
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There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you were an artist and they were your subject.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in which movie a blind character first did it.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>> 
>> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 23:43:31 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 16:43:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <540e3f2a.c4c8440a.0fd7.ffffe5d1@mx.google.com>


True, but what I mean is, just in gEneral, would a blind person 
just feel a fe.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you 
were an artist and they were your subject.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not 
sure in which movie a blind character first did it.

 Chris Nusbaum

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda 
<marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:


 Same here.  But where did it even come from?


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known 
any blind person who has, although sighted people have on 
occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't 
know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the 
face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)

 Chris Nusbaum

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what 
people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give 
someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and 
a myth, or reality and true?

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep  8 23:44:53 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:44:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Most do not.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 7:44 PM
To: Jedi Moerke; National Association of Blind Students mailing list;
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?


True, but what I mean is, just in gEneral, would a blind person just feel a
fe.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:25:32 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you 
were an artist and they were your subject.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not 
sure in which movie a blind character first did it.

 Chris Nusbaum

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda 
<marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:


 Same here.  But where did it even come from?


 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
 To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known 
any blind person who has, although sighted people have on 
occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't 
know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the 
face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)

 Chris Nusbaum

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what 
people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give 
someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and 
a myth, or reality and true?

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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Tue Sep  9 00:37:27 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 19:37:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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	<AC88779B-E430-4AA5-85D2-3E164D14FA7A@samobile.net>
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The only face I will touch is my wife's.  Otherwise, it is a bad idea.  



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jedi Moerke via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 6:26 PM
To: Chris Nusbaum; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you were an artist
and they were your subject.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in
which movie a blind character first did it.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
>> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of 
>> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 
>> 2014 08:45:32 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>> 
>> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any 
>> blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion 
>> invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it 
>> would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a 
>> stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
>> 
>> Hi guys,
>> 
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to
asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do
people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the
face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 01:17:26 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:17:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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I am no artist (at least in the graphical sense of the term,) but just for identification I would never feel someone's face. I find no utility in that. However, I can only speak for myself.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> True, but what I mean is, just in gEneral, would a blind person just feel a fe.
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:25:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> 
> There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you were an artist and they were your subject.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in which movie a blind character first did it.
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
> 
> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it would help, but something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out.  (Smile)
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.  Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  9 02:13:43 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 22:13:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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Hi,
Well, while I cannot identify someone by touching their face,
it does tell me some features of them. I think some of you may touched 
familiar faces, and may not admit it.

I have engaged a few faces of close family and friends, with permission.
Whether they have zits, the condition of their skin, whether its oily or 
dry, and thicknesses of beards can be discerned by touch.

Sometimes my brothers have tried to tickle me with their beards or 
sideburns. <grin>.

Anyway, seriously, I don't know where that myth got started. We identify 
people primarily via voice.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 9:17 PM
To: Marissa Tejeda
Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I am no artist (at least in the graphical sense of the term,) but just for 
identification I would never feel someone's face. I find no utility in that. 
However, I can only speak for myself.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 8, 2014, at 7:43 PM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> True, but what I mean is, just in gEneral, would a blind person just feel 
> a fe.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jedi Moerke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind 
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 18:25:32 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
> There might be some utility and feeling someone's face if you were an 
> artist and they were your subject.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:14 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> I believe the concept got its start in Hollywood, though I'm not sure in 
> which movie a blind character first did it.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 9:10 AM, Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Same here.  But where did it even come from?
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind 
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 08:45:32 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>
> It's a myth.  I have never felt someone's face nor have I known any blind 
> person who has, although sighted people have on occasion invited me to 
> feel their face if I needed to.  I don't know how it would help, but 
> something in the idea of feeling the face of a stranger creeps me out. 
> (Smile)
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 8, 2014, at 8:25 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi guys,
>
> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around to 
> asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like. 
> Do people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they 
> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Sep  9 02:31:34 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:31:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
In-Reply-To: <A7E6B5B5-0B8D-4B75-BB09-78F4B829F3CA@gmail.com>
References: <A7E6B5B5-0B8D-4B75-BB09-78F4B829F3CA@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP64FAD8CCF832612C75C9B9CECE0@phx.gbl>

Hi, I say use your cane, anything when everybody is submitted that they are okay with the dog then slowly start bringing the dog into class. Hope this helps.
On Sep 6, 2014, at 8:40 AM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if they had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my intention to major in early childhood education in college, I need all the experience I can get, volunteer and otherwise, before I finalize my decision. Much to my delight, they said yes.
> This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for volunteering with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background check, among other things. The director said she would be in contact with the families to see if any of the children have allergies to dogs before my dog Ditra can enter the rooms; I'm perfectly fine with that, and it is understandable. I went over yesterday immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give paperwork indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by someone there that not all of the families have responded yet regarding the dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just occurred to me, so I'm mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the director that I can travel just as independently with the cane as I can with a dog, and the dog doesn't always have to be there with me. In reality, she might not always be there with me due to illness, retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here is my predicament:
> Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do I wait until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel using the cane in the beginning will at least help me learn the layout of the building better at first, so I can direct the dog later on when I'm given clearance to bring her near the children. at the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if you know what I mean.
> Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the newcomers to this list.
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 04:16:36 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 21:16:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
In-Reply-To: <540ddd85.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7b0@mx.google.com>
References: <540ddd85.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7b0@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC3s98=jyrK8snAndpMPrdrmA0YBKV6QHPVGdL7QitPJA@mail.gmail.com>

I don't know if Hadley is available in India. But your Braille Note is
a great teaching tool. You can also use it to read documents in Grade
1 Braille.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> As others have said, Hadley is a good resource.  Your notetaker
> could be useful too because you can set it to display in
> contracted or uncontracted Braille, and if you have it set to
> contracted Braille it will uncontract things you put your curser
> on, so you can find out what unfamiliar contractions mean very
> easily.
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
>
> Hi all,
>
> Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
> Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At
> this
> stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
> marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any
> contractions
> and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
> Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who
> are as
> proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I
> need
> to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own.
> What
> techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
> Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the
> standpoint
> of learning Braille?
> I look forward to hearing from you.
>
> Best,
> Rahul
>
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 04:49:24 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 23:49:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC3s98=jyrK8snAndpMPrdrmA0YBKV6QHPVGdL7QitPJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540ddd85.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7b0@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJC3s98=jyrK8snAndpMPrdrmA0YBKV6QHPVGdL7QitPJA@mail.gmail.com>
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I am not sure if this has been mentioned or not. If you need help
remembering the numerous dot positions or contractions, you can try
the numerous braille aps that are available like pocket braille.

Hope this helps

Jonatahn

On 9/8/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't know if Hadley is available in India. But your Braille Note is
> a great teaching tool. You can also use it to read documents in Grade
> 1 Braille.
> Arielle
>
> On 9/8/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> As others have said, Hadley is a good resource.  Your notetaker
>> could be useful too because you can set it to display in
>> contracted or uncontracted Braille, and if you have it set to
>> contracted Braille it will uncontract things you put your curser
>> on, so you can find out what unfamiliar contractions mean very
>> easily.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
>> Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At
>> this
>> stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
>> marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any
>> contractions
>> and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
>> Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who
>> are as
>> proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I
>> need
>> to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own.
>> What
>> techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
>> Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the
>> standpoint
>> of learning Braille?
>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
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From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 04:52:42 2014
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 10:22:42 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC3s98=jyrK8snAndpMPrdrmA0YBKV6QHPVGdL7QitPJA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <540ddd85.285c320a.5c41.ffffd7b0@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJC3s98=jyrK8snAndpMPrdrmA0YBKV6QHPVGdL7QitPJA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACQLpmdenOirEdo0py2c53fmCgRnz0utsUxOUXcizWoAWfKfag@mail.gmail.com>

Hadley's program is great. I highly recommend it. And, it is available
in India.

Best,
-- 
-Kartik Sawhney,
Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
Skype: kartik.sawhney22

On 9/9/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't know if Hadley is available in India. But your Braille Note is
> a great teaching tool. You can also use it to read documents in Grade
> 1 Braille.
> Arielle
>
> On 9/8/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> As others have said, Hadley is a good resource.  Your notetaker
>> could be useful too because you can set it to display in
>> contracted or uncontracted Braille, and if you have it set to
>> contracted Braille it will uncontract things you put your curser
>> on, so you can find out what unfamiliar contractions mean very
>> easily.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
>> Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At
>> this
>> stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
>> marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any
>> contractions
>> and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
>> Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who
>> are as
>> proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I
>> need
>> to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own.
>> What
>> techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
>> Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the
>> standpoint
>> of learning Braille?
>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 20:09:13 2014
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:09:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 5 Charger
Message-ID: <EAB83BB0E7914AE49FC58A588FC9F692@Helga>

Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that my iPhone 5 charger broke, and I’m actually using my dad’s charger in order to charge it! I just wanted to ask you, do any of you heare have an iPhone 5 charger that you don’t use anymore, in order for me to have it since mine is broken, and I really don’t want to use my dad’s charger since he use it all the time, and I actually take mine to school all the time as well, but now it is broken? I will really appreciate it  since I really use it a lot! I don’t know how it got broken! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
P.S. Feel free to contact me off-list regarding this matter! since I don’t want to clutter the list! please. Thanks again! 
Helga Schreiber 

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 

Phone: (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
INT Website: http://int4life.com/

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Tue Sep  9 20:19:31 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 09 Sep 2014 16:19:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 5 Charger
In-Reply-To: <EAB83BB0E7914AE49FC58A588FC9F692@Helga>
References: <EAB83BB0E7914AE49FC58A588FC9F692@Helga>
Message-ID: <A5CF2A44-27C2-44EB-BBA4-EEB68B859BDA@me.com>

You can get lightning cables really cheap from www.monoprice.com. They're cheap but they work great. :)
God bless. :)
Matthew Dierckens
Macintosh Trainer
Blind Access Training
www.blindaccesstraining.com
1-877-774-7670, extension 3
work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Sep 9, 2014, at 16:09, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that my iPhone 5 charger broke, and I’m actually using my dad’s charger in order to charge it! I just wanted to ask you, do any of you heare have an iPhone 5 charger that you don’t use anymore, in order for me to have it since mine is broken, and I really don’t want to use my dad’s charger since he use it all the time, and I actually take mine to school all the time as well, but now it is broken? I will really appreciate it  since I really use it a lot! I don’t know how it got broken! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
> P.S. Feel free to contact me off-list regarding this matter! since I don’t want to clutter the list! please. Thanks again! 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students 
> Member of The International Networkers Team (INT)
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research 
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Sep  9 20:54:56 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 16:54:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] iPhone 5 Charger
In-Reply-To: <A5CF2A44-27C2-44EB-BBA4-EEB68B859BDA@me.com>
References: <EAB83BB0E7914AE49FC58A588FC9F692@Helga>
	<A5CF2A44-27C2-44EB-BBA4-EEB68B859BDA@me.com>
Message-ID: <00a901cfcc70$633561c0$29a02540$@gmail.com>

What are lightning cables? I assume that they are something that can charge
an I phone?  Are they a certain kind of charger?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Matthew
Dierckens via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 4:20 PM
To: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com; National Association of Blind Students
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] iPhone 5 Charger

You can get lightning cables really cheap from www.monoprice.com. They're
cheap but they work great. :) God bless. :) Matthew Dierckens Macintosh
Trainer Blind Access Training www.blindaccesstraining.com 1-877-774-7670,
extension 3 work email:
matthew at blindaccesstraining.com
Personal email:
matt.dierckens at me.com

On Sep 9, 2014, at 16:09, Helga via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi everyone! How are you all? I just wanted to tell you that my iPhone 5
charger broke, and I'm actually using my dad's charger in order to charge
it! I just wanted to ask you, do any of you heare have an iPhone 5 charger
that you don't use anymore, in order for me to have it since mine is broken,
and I really don't want to use my dad's charger since he use it all the
time, and I actually take mine to school all the time as well, but now it is
broken? I will really appreciate it  since I really use it a lot! I don't
know how it got broken! Hope to hear from you soon. Thanks so much and God
bless! 
> P.S. Feel free to contact me off-list regarding this matter! since I don't
want to clutter the list! please. Thanks again! 
> Helga Schreiber
> 
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of 
> Blind Students Member of The International Networkers Team (INT) 
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research
> 
> Phone: (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
> 3:16 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep  9 21:03:57 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 17:03:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
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hi,
Are you an international student? That's cool they mail material way over to 
india.
I  did not learn braille via hadley.
how do they teach braille?
Can you describe how they introduce the letters and what order they intro 
the contractions? do they start with whole letter words first? like the 
letters standing for one word, like k for knowledge.

Thanks.
Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Kartik Sawhney via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2014 12:52 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning Braille

Hadley's program is great. I highly recommend it. And, it is available
in India.

Best,
-- 
-Kartik Sawhney,
Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
Skype: kartik.sawhney22

On 9/9/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I don't know if Hadley is available in India. But your Braille Note is
> a great teaching tool. You can also use it to read documents in Grade
> 1 Braille.
> Arielle
>
> On 9/8/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> As others have said, Hadley is a good resource.  Your notetaker
>> could be useful too because you can set it to display in
>> contracted or uncontracted Braille, and if you have it set to
>> contracted Braille it will uncontract things you put your curser
>> on, so you can find out what unfamiliar contractions mean very
>> easily.
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2014 17:14:33 +0530
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Learning Braille
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Even though I can use assistive technology fairly well, I think
>> Braille would be immensely useful for me in several contexts. At
>> this
>> stage, I only know the basics i.e. how letters/punctuation
>> marks/numbers are spelled in Braille; I don't know any
>> contractions
>> and cannot read large chunks of text In Braille.
>> Unfortunately, there are no Braille instructors in my town who
>> are as
>> proficient in the English language as I'd like them to be, so I
>> need
>> to figure out an efficacious way for learning Braille on my own.
>> What
>> techniques should I adopt for attaining this goal?
>> Would devices like the Braille Note be of any use from the
>> standpoint
>> of learning Braille?
>> I look forward to hearing from you.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Sep 10 03:29:06 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 23:29:06 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible encyclopedias
Message-ID: <E315F8C7958B44A6B99CAEF2647BC8BD@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

In my queries on research, I mentioned I had issues accessing some electronic encyclopedias. They are a good way to get an overview of something such as a person or group of people.

I’ve tried a handful from both my school and public library. Inaccessible references include Britanica, Credo reference, and Gale Biography in context.

Which encyclopedias and general references have you found accessible? So far, the best general one seems to be Encyclopedia Americana and the best for music subjects is Grove music.
I’m doing some searching on composers till and famous people; somewhat for my personal knowledge although some will go into presentations I do for community groups.


Thanks.
Ashley

From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Wed Sep 10 03:42:09 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Tue, 9 Sep 2014 23:42:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
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I think you may be thinking of forums. Maybe start with something like yahoo answers, although they do have forms on specific topics, such as technology. A Google search me able to help you find better forms for you. What kinds of questions exactly are you looking to answer?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 7, 2014, at 5:28 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> What I mean is a site for people to be able to post questions, and I'd be able to reply to them and others can see it
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
> To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2014 17:20:07 -0400
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
> 
> Marissa,
> 
> I'm not sure I understand your question.  Are you looking for a Web site on
> which to create a survey? Please clarify.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2014 3:03 PM
> To: Nabsl
> Subject: [nabs-l] A site for Q and A
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Does anyone know if there are any sites that I can do a Q and A on? What I
> mean, is, someone posts a question, and I put a reply, and everyone can see
> it?
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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:02:53 2014
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (martinezana770 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:02:53 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB CO convention
Message-ID: <5AE4F4E6-B1DB-43D7-AFB7-062A8E4933C7@gmail.com>

Is anyone going to the NFB CO convention?

Sent from my iPhone


From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:31:52 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:31:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB CO convention
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Hey… When is it? Been looking for an excuse to go to Denver for a while.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone going to the NFB CO convention?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:33:11 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:33:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB CO convention
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Yes

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:02, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Is anyone going to the NFB CO convention?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 13:34:06 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 07:34:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB CO convention
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Come over! It is the weekend of Halloween. For anyone looking to make hotel reservations, call the Marriott south at Park Meadows, 303-925-0004 and make your room reservations with the NFB of Colorado room block.

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:31, Kirt via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey… When is it? Been looking for an excuse to go to Denver for a while.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 7:02 AM, Ana via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Is anyone going to the NFB CO convention?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org  Wed Sep 10 15:06:36 2014
From: Zunaira.Wasif at dbs.fldoe.org (Wasif, Zunaira)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:06:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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I agree.  The brain is literally bombarded with visual stimuli in the form of faces.  I believe that this vast amount of data leads to detailed discrimination among faces.  As blind people, we are not bombarded with nearly the same amount of tactile information in regards to faces; therefore, most of us to not have the necessary data to develop detailed   tactile discrimination in this area.  

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth. Human brains are programmed to recognize faces visually. The details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived by touch. To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the person has facial hair. It's ridiculous to think that blind people should feel faces to recognize people or gain information about what they look like visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look like, but that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that I get from hugging them not feeling their faces. Even those mental images are pretty vague. The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone 
> else's face. I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a 
> blind person who has. I have, however, encountered sighted strangers 
> who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl 
>> Martin Adam via nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
>> To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing 
>> list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my 
>> parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that 
>> happens in a lot of literature and movies.
>> Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing 
>> what people's faces are like is important do this?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around 
>> to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.
>> Do
>> people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they 
>> feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?
>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 15:11:22 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria G)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:11:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Portable Scanners
Message-ID: <6FBE5897C7AB4AB5882619EF7CB960BE@Gloria>

Hi all,
I hope everyone is having a wonderful morning. I was wondering if anyone new of any portable scanners I could look into purchasing and researching? I will be receiving Kurzweil, and thought it would be helpful to have a portable scanner, if such a thing exists, to have in class when given printed materials that I could not have scanned ahead of time. Thanks in advance!
Gloria

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 15:14:56 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 11:14:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Portable Scanners
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The pearl is a portable scanner.

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 11:11 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Portable Scanners

Hi all,
I hope everyone is having a wonderful morning. I was wondering if anyone new
of any portable scanners I could look into purchasing and researching? I
will be receiving Kurzweil, and thought it would be helpful to have a
portable scanner, if such a thing exists, to have in class when given
printed materials that I could not have scanned ahead of time. Thanks in
advance!
Gloria
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 16:09:03 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 10:09:03 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible encyclopedias
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I'm curious what issues you've had with Encyclopaedia Britannica? I've only used The articles that come up from Google searches and the like… and I haven't had any problems, but it's very probable that I missing something.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In my queries on research, I mentioned I had issues accessing some electronic encyclopedias. They are a good way to get an overview of something such as a person or group of people.
> 
> I’ve tried a handful from both my school and public library. Inaccessible references include Britanica, Credo reference, and Gale Biography in context.
> 
> Which encyclopedias and general references have you found accessible? So far, the best general one seems to be Encyclopedia Americana and the best for music subjects is Grove music.
> I’m doing some searching on composers till and famous people; somewhat for my personal knowledge although some will go into presentations I do for community groups.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 10 21:21:42 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:21:42 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] The Importance Of Independent Travel
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Good afternoon, Steve, and everyone,

I too can dig it, being moved with some indignation I must admit, 
performaing the task Ol'Sighty thought me not capable of. You know, 
really sticking it to 'im. And my brain damage renders my recalling 
what I have learned in the past about orientation, almost futile more 
often than not. And, I probably would not have hung around waiting on 
your airport cart. In factt, I have heard of people putting their 
luggage in a wheelchair or scooter. Personally, I can't see myself 
being that smoothe to drop my luggage into a wheelchair.
I did think your's was an extensive, well-rounded post and I hope I 
answered your points.
  If not, are you willing to ask again?
for today, Car

Jacobson via nabs-l wrote:
>Carly,
>
>As a blind person, I am aware and even concerned with how my actions 
>might affect other blind people, and
>therefore do my best not to use help I don't need.  Having said 
>that, my primary reasons for trying to travel as
>independently as possible have little to do with proving anything to 
>anyone.  I wil readily admit that if someone
>more or less forces me to be assisted to do something for which I do 
>not need assistance, I do feel moved to show
>them that the assistance was not required if the opportunity 
>arises.  For example, if someone insists I take an
>elevator instead of the steps when the stairs are more convenient, I 
>will probably push to take the steps since I
>know they won't be a problem.  I probably wouldn't do that with a 
>heavy suitcase, though, but I might take an
>escalator.  I wouldn't do either, though, if I didn't feel confident 
>that I could do it.  .To the greatest degree
>possible, I want to be in control of my own destiny.  I can't always 
>have the control I want, but I work hard to
>have as much as is possible.
>
>Years ago I went to the airport to fly to Washington DC.  When I got 
>to the counter and received my gate
>information, I asked for directions to the gate.  When the person 
>behind the counter acted confused, I asked if he
>would just tell me which direction to go from the counter.  I was 
>told they would get me an electric cart and that
>I should wait.  I was a little new to airport travel at that time 
>but I asked again for directions noting that I
>did not need an electric cart.  To make this long story shorter, the 
>person would not give me directions and
>refused to help me in any way except to insist that I wait for an 
>employee with a cart.  Carts were apparently in
>short supply that day and I waited and waited, not feeling I should 
>advocate.  Nowadays, I would have just picked
>a direction and asked someone else but I was too timmid then.  After 
>repeated calls for a cart, one finally
>arrived forty-five minutes later.  When I got to the gate, everyone 
>was on the plane and I just barely made it.  I
>decided then I was not going to be in that position again.  In 
>addition, someone else had to wait longer for that
>cart, probably someone who really needed it, and an airport employee 
>was tied up offering me help I neither needed
>or requested.  The more independently one can travel the more 
>options they have, and the better it is for
>everyone.
>
>Traveling independently is an important part of most jobs.  By 
>"independently," I don't mean that one never asks
>for help or even that we all have the same ability to 
>travel.  However, I have meetings with other people I need
>to attend and I'm often the only one in my area of the building 
>attending.  If I want to be hired for a job, I
>have to be able to add as little extra to what I expect from my 
>employer as possible.  Even though I'm a computer
>analyst, this means being able to travel around the complex I work 
>in as independently as possible.  Could someone
>who has more difficulty traveling do the job I am doing?  Yes, they 
>certainly could, but they might need to work
>out strategies that inconvenience their co-workers as little as 
>possible.  They would not likely succeed in the
>long run by grabbing the shoulder of "ol' sighty" out by the 
>escalator.  At least a little thought needs to be
>given to the possible inconvenience of the person from who you are 
>more or less demanding help.
>
>Finally, I have to say something about this superblind thing.  In my 
>experience, this is a term used by people who
>want to remove all responsibility from themselves to be as 
>independent as their abilities allow.  If you have an
>injury that prevents you from handling certain aspects of travel, 
>that certainly has to be taken into account.  We
>are not all going to be the same.  But does that mean you should 
>urge others to not strive for as much
>independence as possible?  That does not seem fair to me at all.  I 
>knew a man once who told me that he didn't
>have to learn to travel independently because he had a wife and five 
>kids and a secretary who worked for him.  I
>know for a fact that his secretary guided him to the men's 
>bathroom.  If he had some sort of learning disability
>that made independent travel impossible, then I would certainly 
>accept that he was managing as he could.  However,
>I also knew that he had rejected any attempts to teach him 
>independent travel which was why it was thought it
>would be helpful for me to talk to him and show up at his office on 
>my own.  He lost his sight while holding the
>job he had and apparently managed well enough to keep his job, but 
>he would have had a difficult time getting the
>job he had with his attitude.
>
>We are never all going to achieve the same degree of 
>independence.  Further, interdependence is a part of any
>civilized society to some degree.  Still we will never achieve 
>without striving.  We will never know what we can
>do without sometimes discovering things we cannot do.  Many of us 
>routinely cross busy streets, but i'll bet there
>was not a single one of us who was not scared to cross that first 
>street, or maybe the first dozen streets.  But
>if we had never taken that first scarey step, we wouldn't be 
>crossing the streets we cross routinely.  Helping
>each other strive to achieve more helps us achieve more, but it 
>doesn't mean we achieve everything for which we
>strive, but that's okay.  One very rarely ever achieves something by 
>accident, though, one has to strive to
>achieve first.  I do not find the fact that there are blind people 
>who have done things that I do not do as
>unsettling, rather it reminds me that there may be things I could do 
>as a blind person that I simply have not yet
>discovered.
>
>Best regards,
>
>Steve Jacobson
>
>On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 04:45:01 -0700, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l wrote:
>
> >Good morning,
>
> >Personally, I like to think of it as interdependent travel, recruting
> >your fellow man, and sort of directing him where you need to go.
> >Admittedly, this means of travel found me after becoming injured such
> >that I was unable to keep track of direction and what they call rout
> >reversal, became for me no more than a pipe dream.
>
> >In my experience, however, if you just let go of this idea that to
> >prove to Ol'Sighty of  blindness' being  what is it, little more than
> >a mere inconvenience, everyone must be some kind of super blink whom,
> >by simply waving his long, white cane can travel any course, under
> >any circumstances in pitch ocular darkness. Sure, this social
> >construct is certainly possible to live within and many people do it,
> >but not everybody is super Federationist blink!
>
> >After all, interpersonal contact, I believe, is more of a palpable,
> >alternative to demonstrating to Ol'Sighty things of which most of us
> >are capable, that Ol'Sighty might remember. I'm fond of iterating
> >that Ol'Sighty cares not about the means to which the blink reaches
> >the same ends, noticing only that, eventually he gets there. So, if
> >it becomes a matter of walking through an airport, say, to
> >demonstrate to Ol'Sighty ways in which most blinks can, and do
> >advocate for themselves, it may be a plausible course of action to
> >grab Ol'Sighty from one of the hoards that are invariably around and,
> >placing your hand on his shoulder, tell him where you need to be and
> >see if he can help you. Of course, should he be in a hurry you can
> >find someone else, but wait for an indication of said sighted person
> >being unable to help. It is in this way you can actually have a
> >conversation with a sighted person, maybe even exchange names?
> >Agreed, the super blink means of seamlessly gliding through a crowd
> >is intimidating, and not exactly if I may say so myself, realistic of
> >every blink. Let that go! Probably, you are not a super blink, at
> >least by their rigid standards.
> >for today, Car
> >408-209-3239
> >   :52 AM 7/16/2014, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l wrote:
> >>Dear Students,
> >>
> >>I'd like to discuss another topic with all of you.  On Monday I had
> >>a conversation with my mobility instructor during my training
> >>session at UCF.  We were talking about the importance of traveling
> >>independently as blind individuals.  I got very emotional while we
> >>were having this conversation and began to cry.  Because I've never
> >>traveled independently in the community, I lack the experience of
> >>traveling on my own.  Can each of you tell me your stories about
> >>inarependent travel? Hope to hear from you soon.
> >>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 21:47:18 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 14:47:18 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Exciting way to promote our campaign tonight!
References: <fb439e31ec6d450c9bafa21805b06f64@DM2PR07MB413.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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Begin forwarded message:

> From: 75days <75days at nfb.org>
> Subject: Exciting way to promote our campaign tonight!
> Date: September 10, 2014 at 2:36:44 PM PDT
> 
> Greetings fellow Federationists,
>  
> Please spread the word.
>  
> Mark Riccobono and Jeannie Massay will be hosting the first ever NFB Twitter Chat tonight at 8PM Eastern.  Below is a Facebook from National Federation of the Blind.
>  
> Do you follow the NFB (@nfb_voice) on Twitter? Join us for our very first #Twitterchat tonight at 8 PM EST! The topic will be “Why Join the National Federation of the Blind? A Conversation with President Riccobono." President Riccobono will be fielding questions about building the Federation - submit yours during the live chat or ahead of time by using the hashtag #blindchat!
>  
> This can be a great tool for tech savvy people who might have questions about the Federation.  Spread this through your affiliate networks.  This can be a great tool to help us build the Federation during the 75 days of Action.  
>  
>  
> At your service,
> Kevan Worley
> Co-chair
> National Federation of the Blind 75 Days of Action Campaign
> Jeannie Massay
> Co-chair
> "Live the Life you Want"
> 866-543-6808


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 10 22:31:37 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:31:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <5410d154.0b8d420a.799a.fffff8c9@mx.google.com>


I've been asked, by a teacher, how I felt about discrimination in 
general.  Well, it was a thing in passing.  She asked if she 
could have students talk to me for extra credit, (to make it more 
interesting), about discrimination.
Now, I think about it at times, and it doesn't bother me.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Wasif, Zunaira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "National 
Association of BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 15:06:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I agree.  The brain is literally bombarded with visual stimuli in 
the form of faces.  I believe that this vast amount of data leads 
to detailed discrimination among faces.  As blind people, we are 
not bombarded with nearly the same amount of tactile information 
in regards to faces; therefore, most of us to not have the 
necessary data to develop detailed   tactile discrimination in 
this area.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces 
visually.  The details that people recognize visually cannot be 
easily perceived by touch.  To me all faces feel the same, except 
maybe whether or not the person has facial hair.  It's ridiculous 
to think that blind people should feel faces to recognize people 
or gain information about what they look like visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look 
like, but that has more to do with body shape, height and weight 
info that I get from hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even 
those mental images are pretty vague.  The best way I can tell 
people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on 
someone
 else's face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't 
met a
 blind person who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted 
strangers
 who thought I was odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my 
parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Karl
 Martin Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students 
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 list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and 
like my
 parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something 
that
 happens in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think 
knowing
 what people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around
 to asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people 
look like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if 
they
 feel the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and 
true?

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From sandersj6 at att.net  Thu Sep 11 00:20:30 2014
From: sandersj6 at att.net (sandersj6 at att.net)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 20:20:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
Message-ID: <992A48EEAB7B4A3DA7C5D01F893339DF@JohnSandersPC>

Hi,
I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell what papers say?
I hope to hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
John Sanders

From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 01:47:33 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 21:47:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
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Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though there are
many for fairly low prices. Keep in mind, however, that you get what you pay
for.

Chris

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

Hi,
I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell
what papers say?
I hope to hear from you soon.
Sincerely,
John Sanders
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 02:01:31 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:01:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
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What doesn't bother you, discrimination or your teacher's request? I
personally would welcome an opportunity to speak to the class about
blindness and the discrimination we must at times face, as this may prevent
such discrimination in the future. However, I think discrimination is
something about which we must be vigilant. If we let all discrimination pass
without polite but firm objection, I believe there can be no chance of
solving the problem.

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:32 PM
To: Wasif, Zunaira; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?


I've been asked, by a teacher, how I felt about discrimination in general.
Well, it was a thing in passing.  She asked if she could have students talk
to me for extra credit, (to make it more interesting), about discrimination.
Now, I think about it at times, and it doesn't bother me.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Wasif, Zunaira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "National Association of
BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014
15:06:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I agree.  The brain is literally bombarded with visual stimuli in the form
of faces.  I believe that this vast amount of data leads to detailed
discrimination among faces.  As blind people, we are not bombarded with
nearly the same amount of tactile information in regards to faces;
therefore, most of us to not have the 
necessary data to develop detailed   tactile discrimination in 
this area.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces visually.
The details that people recognize visually cannot be easily perceived by
touch.  To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or not the
person has facial hair.  It's ridiculous to think that blind people should
feel faces to recognize people or gain information about what they look like
visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even those mental images are pretty
vague.  The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on someone  else's
face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a  blind person
who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted strangers  who thought I was
odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l  <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Karl  Martin
Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students mailing  list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and like my
parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something that  happens
in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think knowing  what
people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got around  to
asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if they  feel
the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 02:16:13 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:16:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible encyclopedias
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References: <E315F8C7958B44A6B99CAEF2647BC8BD@OwnerPC>
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I haven't found any issues to speak of with Brittanica.  ABC-Clio is also a good resource.

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Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 12:09 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] accessible encyclopedias

I'm curious what issues you've had with Encyclopaedia Britannica? I've only used The articles that come up from Google searches and the like… and I haven't had any problems, but it's very probable that I missing something.

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> On Sep 9, 2014, at 9:29 PM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> In my queries on research, I mentioned I had issues accessing some electronic encyclopedias. They are a good way to get an overview of something such as a person or group of people.
> 
> I’ve tried a handful from both my school and public library. Inaccessible references include Britanica, Credo reference, and Gale Biography in context.
> 
> Which encyclopedias and general references have you found accessible? So far, the best general one seems to be Encyclopedia Americana and the best for music subjects is Grove music.
> I’m doing some searching on composers till and famous people; somewhat for my personal knowledge although some will go into presentations I do for community groups.
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> Ashley
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 02:19:33 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 19:19:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?
Message-ID: <541106c0.45b2440a.4904.0ce3@mx.google.com>


My opinion on discrimination.  I didn't mind the teacher asking 
me if that was ok.  She asked me if she could give some of the 
students my school email for students who wanted extra credit, 
and I said that was fine.  She forgot to tell the class though, 
which is fine.  I would have been happier either way.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Chris Nusbaum" <dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com
To: "'Marissa Tejeda'" <marissat789 at gmail.com>,"'National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 10 Sep 2014 22:01:31 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

What doesn't bother you, discrimination or your teacher's 
request? I
personally would welcome an opportunity to speak to the class 
about
blindness and the discrimination we must at times face, as this 
may prevent
such discrimination in the future.  However, I think 
discrimination is
something about which we must be vigilant.  If we let all 
discrimination pass
without polite but firm objection, I believe there can be no 
chance of
solving the problem.

Chris

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Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 6:32 PM
To: Wasif, Zunaira; National Association of Blind Students 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?


I've been asked, by a teacher, how I felt about discrimination in 
general.
Well, it was a thing in passing.  She asked if she could have 
students talk
to me for extra credit, (to make it more interesting), about 
discrimination.
Now, I think about it at times, and it doesn't bother me.


 ----- Original Message -----
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To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, "National 
Association of
BlindStudents mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Wed, 10 
Sep 2014
15:06:36 +0000
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

I agree.  The brain is literally bombarded with visual stimuli in 
the form
of faces.  I believe that this vast amount of data leads to 
detailed
discrimination among faces.  As blind people, we are not 
bombarded with
nearly the same amount of tactile information in regards to 
faces;
therefore, most of us to not have the
necessary data to develop detailed   tactile discrimination in
this area.

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Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 3:40 PM
To: Alana Leonhardy; National Association of Blind Students 
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

Absolute myth.  Human brains are programmed to recognize faces 
visually.
The details that people recognize visually cannot be easily 
perceived by
touch.  To me all faces feel the same, except maybe whether or 
not the
person has facial hair.  It's ridiculous to think that blind 
people should
feel faces to recognize people or gain information about what 
they look like
visually.
I do have mental images of what my close family and friends look 
like, but
that has more to do with body shape, height and weight info that 
I get from
hugging them not feeling their faces.  Even those mental images 
are pretty
vague.  The best way I can tell people apart is by their voice.
Arielle

On 9/8/14, Alana Leonhardy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 There's something very personal about putting your hands on 
someone  else's
face.  I have never had the desire to do so, and haven't met a  
blind person
who has.  I have, however, encountered sighted strangers  who 
thought I was
odd for not warning to touch them.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 8, 2014, at 11:48, justin williams via nabs-l  
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 I don't do his often except with a woman; not even with my 
parents.
 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Karl  Martin
Adam via nabs-l
 Sent: Monday, September 08, 2014 12:46 PM
 To: Marissa Tejeda; National Association of Blind Students 
mailing  list
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 I haven't done this either--except with people I'm dating and 
like my
parents.  It does seem to be a common stereotype and something 
that  happens
in a lot of literature and movies.
 Perhaps some people who went blind later in life and think 
knowing  what
people's faces are like is important do this?

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Mon, 08 Sep 2014 05:25:08 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Feeling faces: a myth or true?

 Hi guys,

 So, for a long time I've been want to know this, but never got 
around  to
asking.  I, personally, don't feel faces to know what people look 
like.
 Do
 people really feel faces? How can it give someone a picture if 
they  feel
the face? Is this just a movie and a myth, or reality and true?

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 04:40:05 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 00:40:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYdd3f-RX_KJby2gyfESxrxCuGxNvepN1KqhzZcVs9RLg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
Silver Scorpian.

My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.

However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
out there.

Thanks in advance,

-- 
Kaiti


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 10:50:24 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 06:50:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYdd3f-RX_KJby2gyfESxrxCuGxNvepN1KqhzZcVs9RLg@mail.gmail.com>
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Have you checked BARD?

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
> university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
> required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
> themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
> historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
> they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
> looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
> and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
> readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
> relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
> people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
> would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
> Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
> bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
> centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
> Silver Scorpian.
> 
> My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
> the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
> will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
> disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
> pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
> prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
> speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
> pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
> has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
> me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
> graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
> there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
> prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
> assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
> fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.
> 
> However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
> out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
> I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
> tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
> The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
> using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
> suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
> out there.
> 
> Thanks in advance,
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 11:30:56 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 07:30:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
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	<5820186B-6689-4AD6-84F2-5AE094258693@gmail.com>
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Kaiti,

Have you considered getting a reader to have them narrate all the
dialogue in the comic and describe the pictures to you? We had to read
a couple of graphic novels in one of my AP English classes in high
school and one of my friends and I just sat down together and went
through the novel together. It took maybe a couple of hours to read
through an entire book since most of it consists of graphics. I don't
have any vision so using a CCTV wasn't even an option for me to look
at the illustrations, but I did really well when it came time to
analyzing the novel without actually experiencing the visual parts. My
teacher did offer to let me sit that section out and just do another
project, but I hate not doing what everyone else was so I decided to
try a reader and see how it would go. Hopefully you can find a
solution that works best for you because Silver Scorpion sounds
awesome.

Minh

On 9/11/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Have you checked BARD?
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
>> university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
>> required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
>> themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
>> historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
>> they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
>> looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
>> and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
>> readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
>> relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
>> people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
>> would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
>> Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
>> bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
>> centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
>> Silver Scorpian.
>>
>> My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
>> the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
>> will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
>> disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
>> pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
>> prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
>> speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
>> pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
>> has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
>> me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
>> graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
>> there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
>> prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
>> assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
>> fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.
>>
>> However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
>> out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
>> I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
>> tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
>> The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
>> using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
>> suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
>> out there.
>>
>> Thanks in advance,
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 14:06:40 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 10:06:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gWOqbfvRRhZg94WF=QFFtCiQfQh_DRvAFD=m2pLxyg9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<5820186B-6689-4AD6-84F2-5AE094258693@gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gWOqbfvRRhZg94WF=QFFtCiQfQh_DRvAFD=m2pLxyg9Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi all,

Minh brought up some good points.  I'm mainly looking into this so I
can have all options available.  There is no text at all in The Silver
Scorpian, so it would probably take either a reader or the disability
services staff to follow the "Written descriptions of images used in
class" part of my accomodations in order for me to get it.

I met with my professor before class this morning, and she clarified
that Silver Scorpian is just an example.  Our last assigned paper is
about diversity in superhero fiction, and she picked him because the
main character is in a wheelchair, and also diverse racially.  She
also thinks it's really cool that American and Sirian teens worked
together to develop the character and story, and since we have a few
international students from middle eastern countries in our class
they'd be able to get a cultural kickback out of reading about a
non-American super.  However, she suggested writing about Iron Man,
Dare Devel, or Chief from XMen more as other options for the paper if
I wanted to write about disability specifically, rather than coming up
with an alternative assignment.  The class does not have to write on
Silver Scorpian, or disability at all; the paper could also be about
LGBT representation in super fiction, gender in heroes, etc.  It's
also going to require research that might not even be about
superheroes.  For example, she said that if I chose to write about how
Tony Stark is diverse due to his heart problems represented in super
fiction, I would want to research cardiology so I have information to
site in my paper.

I'm stubborn and typically avoid using readers and scribes for things,
but I do want to at least have the option of writing on The Silver
Scorpian even if I do choose to write about Dare Devel or Iron Man for
the paper.  I'd like to be able to do it by myself if at all possible,
so I will get someone to describe it if no other option for me to do
it independently becomes available.

To answer Chris's question, I have not checked Bard.  Another way in
which I'm stubborn I guess is that I'm a bookshare snob; I don't
really like Bard or Learning Ally.  Honestly, I think Learning Ally
might be the most likely source to have it, but I just hate listening
to people read.  I pay attention much better when I use braille and do
my own work.

On 9/11/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti,
>
> Have you considered getting a reader to have them narrate all the
> dialogue in the comic and describe the pictures to you? We had to read
> a couple of graphic novels in one of my AP English classes in high
> school and one of my friends and I just sat down together and went
> through the novel together. It took maybe a couple of hours to read
> through an entire book since most of it consists of graphics. I don't
> have any vision so using a CCTV wasn't even an option for me to look
> at the illustrations, but I did really well when it came time to
> analyzing the novel without actually experiencing the visual parts. My
> teacher did offer to let me sit that section out and just do another
> project, but I hate not doing what everyone else was so I decided to
> try a reader and see how it would go. Hopefully you can find a
> solution that works best for you because Silver Scorpion sounds
> awesome.
>
> Minh
>
> On 9/11/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Have you checked BARD?
>>
>> Chris Nusbaum
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
>>> university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
>>> required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
>>> themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
>>> historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
>>> they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
>>> looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
>>> and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
>>> readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
>>> relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
>>> people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
>>> would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
>>> Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
>>> bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
>>> centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
>>> Silver Scorpian.
>>>
>>> My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
>>> the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
>>> will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
>>> disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
>>> pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
>>> prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
>>> speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
>>> pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
>>> has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
>>> me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
>>> graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
>>> there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
>>> prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
>>> assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
>>> fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.
>>>
>>> However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
>>> out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
>>> I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
>>> tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
>>> The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
>>> using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
>>> suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
>>> out there.
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 19:15:04 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 14:15:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
In-Reply-To: <00fd01cfcd62$5b33e350$119ba9f0$@gmail.com>
References: <992A48EEAB7B4A3DA7C5D01F893339DF@JohnSandersPC>
	<00fd01cfcd62$5b33e350$119ba9f0$@gmail.com>
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Hi,
This is a great question. Are there any apps whether they are free or not that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though there are
> many for fairly low prices. Keep in mind, however, that you get what you pay
> for.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
> 
> Hi,
> I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
> Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell
> what papers say?
> I hope to hear from you soon.
> Sincerely,
> John Sanders
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From kevinchao89 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 20:29:47 2014
From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:29:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
Message-ID: <CAFPgekNeS2tX9wDdpXR0i9WeXiW24+OafNJO7Hqx+mfZxznZ8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Resurrecting Kevin's Blog After Six Years...
August 14, 2014
The Summer of 2008 is when my cousin, Michell Gip experimented with
Beike Biotech and went in for treatment for an entire month in
Qingdao. In May 2009, I went to China to make myself a test subject
for stem cell therapy. This was an attempt to create a solution for a
problem that I experienced when I was 14. A decade ago, three of my
cousin's (10 years old girl, 5 YO boy, and 12 YO boy) on my mother
side of the family, and I were diagnosed with: Leber hereditary optic
neuropathy (LHON).
Since October, 2009, I had Twitter.com/KevinChao89 and handed the
Twitter account over to my significant other in June 2014. Our
joint-personal Twitter handle is: https://twitter.com/janicem2020 and
our business handle is: https://twitter.com/probizmgmt
On 10/1/12, I was ask to RSVP - Skype Closed Beta Days 2012.
Below is the letter I received:
"Dear Beta Tester,
Every year we honour those members of our beta test team who have
excelled in their participation to join us for a two day technical
conference and meet people from all over the globe.
We are deeply thankful for your contribution to Skype Beta Program
during 2012. And you are cordially invited to 2012 Skype Beta Days.
Skype will cover all your travel cost (air flight, hotel) for the
event attendance.
Event Details
Place : Prague, Czech Republic
Venue: Radisson Blu, Prague
Date: Nov 14 -16"
In November, 2012, After working at the Georgia Institute of
Technology (job title: Accessibility and Quality Control Specialist)
in Atlanta, I founded Inclusive Digital Accessibility World. IDA WORLD
is your accessibility consultant providing audits, quality assurance
evaluations, and trainings for small businesses, large enterprises,
and people with disabilities.
Biz Clients: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Skype, CourseSmart, MailChimp,
My Blind Spot, Pro Money Image, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase & Co., Braille
Works, RSA Security Management, etc.
Business Partners: Janice Messier, Lyft, Uber, Michaels Arts & Crafts,
Tap Plastics, Niche Business Cafe, Mike May Speaking, 6dot, Intuit,
UpperCloud Media, The Michael Hingson Group (Motivational Speaker),
etc.
In the mix of my business trip to Europe, I had to plan for my work
with JPMorgan Chase & Co. as Digital Accessibility SME in San
Francisco, CA. My dreams of traveling the world, working for a
technology company, and working in Silicon Valley all came true; I
felt like I was in paradise!!!
For detailed specifics on my career, please see my professional
profile on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchao89


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 20:48:51 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 16:48:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Spate Stticle
Message-ID: <54120adb.69743c0a.5290.6723@mx.google.com>

Dear Members,

I need someone to write an article with the Student Spate about 
the benefits of the IPhone six for the visually impaired.  If 
anyone would like to do this please respond as soon as possible.  
Hope to hear from you soon.


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Thu Sep 11 21:12:14 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 17:12:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
Message-ID: <0NBR00COI9KZF600@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi Kevin,

Wow, really nice story! It does seem that you've been through a 
lot in the past 6 years.

Wow, you've actually been to China? That's cool.  I've never been 
all the way over there, but would love to go some day and see how 
it is.

How was that Skype conference you were talking about? That's 
really awesome that you got to travel around the world, which is 
also one of my dreams :)

Good luck with all your future endeavors.

Thanks,

Sami.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kevin Chao via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:29:47 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World

Resurrecting Kevin's Blog After Six Years...
August 14, 2014
The Summer of 2008 is when my cousin, Michell Gip experimented 
with
Beike Biotech and went in for treatment for an entire month in
Qingdao.  In May 2009, I went to China to make myself a test 
subject
for stem cell therapy.  This was an attempt to create a solution 
for a
problem that I experienced when I was 14.  A decade ago, three of 
my
cousin's (10 years old girl, 5 YO boy, and 12 YO boy) on my 
mother
side of the family, and I were diagnosed with: Leber hereditary 
optic
neuropathy (LHON).
Since October, 2009, I had Twitter.com/KevinChao89 and handed the
Twitter account over to my significant other in June 2014.  Our
joint-personal Twitter handle is: https://twitter.com/janicem2020 
and
our business handle is: https://twitter.com/probizmgmt
On 10/1/12, I was ask to RSVP - Skype Closed Beta Days 2012.
Below is the letter I received:
"Dear Beta Tester,
Every year we honour those members of our beta test team who have
excelled in their participation to join us for a two day 
technical
conference and meet people from all over the globe.
We are deeply thankful for your contribution to Skype Beta 
Program
during 2012.  And you are cordially invited to 2012 Skype Beta 
Days.
Skype will cover all your travel cost (air flight, hotel) for the
event attendance.
Event Details
Place : Prague, Czech Republic
Venue: Radisson Blu, Prague
Date: Nov 14 -16"
In November, 2012, After working at the Georgia Institute of
Technology (job title: Accessibility and Quality Control 
Specialist)
in Atlanta, I founded Inclusive Digital Accessibility World.  IDA 
WORLD
is your accessibility consultant providing audits, quality 
assurance
evaluations, and trainings for small businesses, large 
enterprises,
and people with disabilities.
Biz Clients: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Skype, CourseSmart, 
MailChimp,
My Blind Spot, Pro Money Image, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase & Co., 
Braille
Works, RSA Security Management, etc.
Business Partners: Janice Messier, Lyft, Uber, Michaels Arts & 
Crafts,
Tap Plastics, Niche Business Cafe, Mike May Speaking, 6dot, 
Intuit,
UpperCloud Media, The Michael Hingson Group (Motivational 
Speaker),
etc.
In the mix of my business trip to Europe, I had to plan for my 
work
with JPMorgan Chase & Co.  as Digital Accessibility SME in San
Francisco, CA.  My dreams of traveling the world, working for a
technology company, and working in Silicon Valley all came true; 
I
felt like I was in paradise!!!
For detailed specifics on my career, please see my professional
profile on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchao89

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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 22:23:58 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:23:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student Spate Stticle
In-Reply-To: <54120adb.69743c0a.5290.6723@mx.google.com>
References: <54120adb.69743c0a.5290.6723@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <5596213E-19D6-468B-B431-3CC93B8C2071@gmail.com>

I don't think we'll really know the advantates or disadvantages of the iPhone 6 until its release, so you may want to wait on that article for awhile. In such an article I would also include accessibility improvements and/or issues with iOS 8, the major update to the operating system which comes with the iPhone 6. Just my thoughts.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2014, at 4:48 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Members,
> 
> I need someone to write an article with the Student Spate about the benefits of the IPhone six for the visually impaired.  If anyone would like to do this please respond as soon as possible.  Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Thu Sep 11 22:27:44 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 18:27:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
In-Reply-To: <74D67939-81E7-4169-864C-78A666AAFEC9@gmail.com>
References: <992A48EEAB7B4A3DA7C5D01F893339DF@JohnSandersPC>
	<00fd01cfcd62$5b33e350$119ba9f0$@gmail.com>
	<74D67939-81E7-4169-864C-78A666AAFEC9@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6202B19B-5352-4D15-9D1B-9071F94C5207@gmail.com>

2 apps which come to mind are Prismo and Text Detective. Both apps have their issues and inaccuracies, however. Were I you I would wait for the KNFB Reader app to come out and then download that, as this app seems to be the most accurate OCR iPhone app yet. If you opt to do that, however, save your pennies; it's going to be $99—an expensive price tag as apps go.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2014, at 3:15 PM, Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is a great question. Are there any apps whether they are free or not that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though there are
>> many for fairly low prices. Keep in mind, however, that you get what you pay
>> for.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sandersj6---
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
>> Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell
>> what papers say?
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Sep 12 01:25:17 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 21:25:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blindness: Light Perception & Totally Blind
In-Reply-To: <7.0.1.0.2.20140907143449.0d2a05d8@comcast.net>
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Hi all,
I think this is a technicality. I have found when I tell people about my vision I say I do not have functional vision making me really blind. On the flip side I have light perception which  contributes to my ability to orient myself. I say if I were asked to see anything beyond outlines and motion forget it I can't see. 
I hope that helps. I too was confused by that original post.
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 7, 26 Heisei, at 5:41 PM, Robin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Having "Light Perception" makes a difference as opposed to NOT having "Light Perception"
> 
> It may NOT give you much Functional Vision, but it does give you some Vision
> 
> Talking to People, who have had "Light Perception", they tell me it does make a difference especially if they LOSE that "Light Perception"
> 
> From where I sit, Totally Blind people, can't be "Blinded by the Light
> 
> I can't speak for Blind and/or LowVision people, who have "Light Perception"
> 
> At 08:39 AM 9/7/2014, you wrote:
>> Hi Carly,
>> 
>> I think it depends on context.  I have a little light perception, but I don't have usable vision (unless you count knowing if the sun is up yet when I wake up in the morning as usable), so if someone asks in a context where what they want to know is if I have usable vision, I identify as totally blind.
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: justin williams <justin.williams2 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,"'Joseph Hudson'" <jhud7789 at outlook.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 06 Sep 2014 06:09:13 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>> 
>> Good morning, Mabelin,
>> 
>>        How does someone identify as totally blind with light
>> perception? Enlighten us, won't you?
>> for today, Car
>> 
>> At 03:34 PM 9/5/2014, justin williams via nabs-l wrote:
>> Good to have you.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2014 6:33 PM
>> To: Mabelin Paez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] my introduction
>> 
>> Hope you learn a lot, and enjoy your stay.Hey, fancy meeting you here
>> welcome to the group.
>> On Sep 5, 2014, at 5:13 PM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all, my name is Mabelin, I'm 20 years old, totally blind with light
>> perception.
>> I love technology, and I love hanging with friends.
>> Take care everyone.
>> Mabelin
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 02:04:51 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:04:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
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This sounds like a great place to use a reader. I know it’s not as convenient as having a pre-prepared recording or an accessible version you can access, but having a live reader allows you to ask questions and ask for clarification. You can use a live reader to describe details that they might not think of if sitting in a cubicle by themselves recording a description. I took an art history class in college (not my choice) and used live readers often to describe the paintings and styles. Having them present with me, I could ask questions, comparing one painting to another etc. to make sure I understood the visual differences between artists or between different styles within the same artist. 

I would find someone you know that already has an interest in graphic novels and see if your disability office would hire them as a reader for this project. Watching the film adaptation might be similar, but I wonder if it’s as different as watching the movie instead of reading the book. 

On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Minh brought up some good points.  I'm mainly looking into this so I
> can have all options available.  There is no text at all in The Silver
> Scorpian, so it would probably take either a reader or the disability
> services staff to follow the "Written descriptions of images used in
> class" part of my accomodations in order for me to get it.
> 
> I met with my professor before class this morning, and she clarified
> that Silver Scorpian is just an example.  Our last assigned paper is
> about diversity in superhero fiction, and she picked him because the
> main character is in a wheelchair, and also diverse racially.  She
> also thinks it's really cool that American and Sirian teens worked
> together to develop the character and story, and since we have a few
> international students from middle eastern countries in our class
> they'd be able to get a cultural kickback out of reading about a
> non-American super.  However, she suggested writing about Iron Man,
> Dare Devel, or Chief from XMen more as other options for the paper if
> I wanted to write about disability specifically, rather than coming up
> with an alternative assignment.  The class does not have to write on
> Silver Scorpian, or disability at all; the paper could also be about
> LGBT representation in super fiction, gender in heroes, etc.  It's
> also going to require research that might not even be about
> superheroes.  For example, she said that if I chose to write about how
> Tony Stark is diverse due to his heart problems represented in super
> fiction, I would want to research cardiology so I have information to
> site in my paper.
> 
> I'm stubborn and typically avoid using readers and scribes for things,
> but I do want to at least have the option of writing on The Silver
> Scorpian even if I do choose to write about Dare Devel or Iron Man for
> the paper.  I'd like to be able to do it by myself if at all possible,
> so I will get someone to describe it if no other option for me to do
> it independently becomes available.
> 
> To answer Chris's question, I have not checked Bard.  Another way in
> which I'm stubborn I guess is that I'm a bookshare snob; I don't
> really like Bard or Learning Ally.  Honestly, I think Learning Ally
> might be the most likely source to have it, but I just hate listening
> to people read.  I pay attention much better when I use braille and do
> my own work.
> 
> On 9/11/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kaiti,
>> 
>> Have you considered getting a reader to have them narrate all the
>> dialogue in the comic and describe the pictures to you? We had to read
>> a couple of graphic novels in one of my AP English classes in high
>> school and one of my friends and I just sat down together and went
>> through the novel together. It took maybe a couple of hours to read
>> through an entire book since most of it consists of graphics. I don't
>> have any vision so using a CCTV wasn't even an option for me to look
>> at the illustrations, but I did really well when it came time to
>> analyzing the novel without actually experiencing the visual parts. My
>> teacher did offer to let me sit that section out and just do another
>> project, but I hate not doing what everyone else was so I decided to
>> try a reader and see how it would go. Hopefully you can find a
>> solution that works best for you because Silver Scorpion sounds
>> awesome.
>> 
>> Minh
>> 
>> On 9/11/14, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Have you checked BARD?
>>> 
>>> Chris Nusbaum
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 12:40 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> 
>>>> This semester I'm in a really awesome English 200 course at my
>>>> university.  All of our English courses for 100 and 200 (the two
>>>> required composition courses) have themes.  I'm in a class which is
>>>> themed "Superheros and Villains in Society."  It looks at the
>>>> historical, cultural, and social contexts of supers, and the roles
>>>> they play as archetypes and icons in various societies.  The course
>>>> looks really diverse, and I know we're planning on exploring supers
>>>> and villains who are in minorities.  In fact, one of our scheduled
>>>> readings later in the semester is The Silver Scorpian.  This is a
>>>> relatively new comic from what I understand, and my professor says
>>>> people who are not interested in commics, disability studies, or both
>>>> would likely know who he is.  Basically, he's a Muslum kid from the
>>>> Middle East, who is wheelchair-bound after being involved in a
>>>> bombing.  He is chosen to handle a power that has been hidden for
>>>> centuries, and has to stand up for justice as... you guessed it, the
>>>> Silver Scorpian.
>>>> 
>>>> My professor is also wonderful, and is willing to work with me to make
>>>> the class as accessible as possible.  One of our readings which we
>>>> will be starting next week is The Watchman, and instead of having the
>>>> disability office go through the entire book and narrate all the
>>>> pictures (which there are a lot of so my book would be very late), the
>>>> prof has given me permission to watch a version of the film which
>>>> speaks the dialog, and will allow me to pause the DVD to look at the
>>>> pictures in the book zoomed in and on a large computer display.  She
>>>> has also provided the class with chapter summaries, and sent them to
>>>> me in advance.  However, the Silver Scorpian books are even less of
>>>> graphic novels and more like actual commics than Watchman is, and
>>>> there is no movie adaptation since he's still a new character.  My
>>>> prof has said she would be willing to come up with an alternative
>>>> assignment and let me use another movie, and she even said I would be
>>>> fine to do Dare Devel if I wanted to since I already own that movie.
>>>> 
>>>> However, I am curious as to whether or not there is a comic resource
>>>> out there.  Bookshare sometimes describes illustration in files and
>>>> I've seen that before, but they don't have commics as far as I can
>>>> tell from my searches.  Any ideas how I might be able to get a copy of
>>>> The Silver Scorpian?  If not, I'm perfectly happy to do a project
>>>> using a film adaptation on Dare Devel or Iron Man (her other
>>>> suggestion), but I'm mainly just curious as to whether or not this is
>>>> out there.
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks in advance,
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Kaiti
>>>> 
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>> 
>> 
>> --
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
>> their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>> 
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Fri Sep 12 02:16:17 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 22:16:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
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Do you have a library card? The Cincinnati public library gives access to a good 75 databases, and a lot of them have stories and such on them. They May not have comics, and if they do, they may not be accessible, but it is worth a shot, if you're checking out other stuff. You may also want to check comic forms and websites, there are a lot of online communities of the sort, people on there may be able to help you as well. Who knows, there may be some wind comic book nerds out there that are hiding in the shadows.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:04 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This sounds like a great place to use a reader. I know it’s not as convenient as having a pre-prepared recording or an accessible version you can access, but having a live reader allows you to ask questions and ask for clarification. You can use a live reader to describe details that they might not think of if sitting in a cubicle by themselves recording a description. I took an art history class in college (not my choice) and used live readers often to describe the paintings and styles. Having them present with me, I could ask questions, comparing one painting to another etc. to make sure I understood the visual differences between artists or between different styles within the same artist. 
> 
> I would find someone you know that already has an interest in graphic novels and see if your disability office would hire them as a reader for this project. Watching the film adaptation might be similar, but I wonder if it’s as different as watching the movie instead of reading the book. 
> 
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Minh brought up some good points.  I'm mainly looking into this so I
>> can have all options available.  There is no text at all in The Silver
>> Scorpian, so it would probably take either a reader or the disability
>> services staff to follow the "Written descriptions of images used in
>> class" part of my accomodations in order for me to get it.
>> 
>> I met with my professor before class this morning, and she clarified
>> that Silver Scorpian is just an example.  Our last assigned paper is
>> about diversity in superhero fiction, and she picked him because the
>> main character is in a wheelchair, and also diverse racially.  She
>> also thinks it's really cool that American and Sirian teens worked
>> together to develop the character and story, and since we have a few
>> international students from middle eastern countries in our class
>> they'd be able to get a cultural kickback out of reading about a
>> non-American super.  However, she suggested writing about Iron Man,


From jahmallovato at me.com  Fri Sep 12 05:22:52 2014
From: jahmallovato at me.com (Jahmal Lovato)
Date: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 23:22:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
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Along with the release if I was eight, the cayenne FB reader will be coming out for the iPhone 5 S.
It's not free, but from what I've heard it's the best one so far.
Jahmal



> On Sep 11, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is a great question. Are there any apps whether they are free or not that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though there are
>> many for fairly low prices. Keep in mind, however, that you get what you pay
>> for.
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of sandersj6---
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
>> Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell
>> what papers say?
>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>> Sincerely,
>> John Sanders
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>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 13:20:30 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:20:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking advice from any commic book fans out there.
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Lillie,

Those are some good points I didn't consider as well.  I do have a
Cincinnati library card (though I may have to renew it or something
since it's been years since I've used it), and the databases are worth
a shot.  I'll also dig around a bit and see if there are any people
out there who might be flying under the radar, who would know of other
resources.

On 9/11/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Do you have a library card? The Cincinnati public library gives access to a
> good 75 databases, and a lot of them have stories and such on them. They May
> not have comics, and if they do, they may not be accessible, but it is worth
> a shot, if you're checking out other stuff. You may also want to check comic
> forms and websites, there are a lot of online communities of the sort,
> people on there may be able to help you as well. Who knows, there may be
> some wind comic book nerds out there that are hiding in the shadows.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:04 PM, Greg Aikens via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> This sounds like a great place to use a reader. I know it's not as
>> convenient as having a pre-prepared recording or an accessible version you
>> can access, but having a live reader allows you to ask questions and ask
>> for clarification. You can use a live reader to describe details that they
>> might not think of if sitting in a cubicle by themselves recording a
>> description. I took an art history class in college (not my choice) and
>> used live readers often to describe the paintings and styles. Having them
>> present with me, I could ask questions, comparing one painting to another
>> etc. to make sure I understood the visual differences between artists or
>> between different styles within the same artist.
>>
>> I would find someone you know that already has an interest in graphic
>> novels and see if your disability office would hire them as a reader for
>> this project. Watching the film adaptation might be similar, but I wonder
>> if it's as different as watching the movie instead of reading the book.
>>
>>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 10:06 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Minh brought up some good points.  I'm mainly looking into this so I
>>> can have all options available.  There is no text at all in The Silver
>>> Scorpian, so it would probably take either a reader or the disability
>>> services staff to follow the "Written descriptions of images used in
>>> class" part of my accomodations in order for me to get it.
>>>
>>> I met with my professor before class this morning, and she clarified
>>> that Silver Scorpian is just an example.  Our last assigned paper is
>>> about diversity in superhero fiction, and she picked him because the
>>> main character is in a wheelchair, and also diverse racially.  She
>>> also thinks it's really cool that American and Sirian teens worked
>>> together to develop the character and story, and since we have a few
>>> international students from middle eastern countries in our class
>>> they'd be able to get a cultural kickback out of reading about a
>>> non-American super.  However, she suggested writing about Iron Man,
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 12 13:48:31 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:48:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] I need your opinion on something
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Email and say something like:
Hello,
Previously, we discussed me being on-site with my service dog. You informed me that, various families need to get back to you regarding allergies, etc. It recently occurred to me that, I did not inform you about my other navigation tecniques such as using a cane. You can then discuss how in the beginning of something how you use a cane to learn layouts, etc. Even if this is not something you do.  Have a good weekend.


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 6, 2014, at 9:41 AM, "Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> A couple of months ago, I emailed a local childcare center to see if they had any volunteer opportunities available. as it is my intention to major in early childhood education in college, I need all the experience I can get, volunteer and otherwise, before I finalize my decision. Much to my delight, they said yes.
> This past Tuesday, I went there to fill out some paperwork for volunteering with them. Standard stuff, like conducting a background check, among other things. The director said she would be in contact with the families to see if any of the children have allergies to dogs before my dog Ditra can enter the rooms; I'm perfectly fine with that, and it is understandable. I went over yesterday immediately after the dog's annual appointment to give paperwork indicating the dog's vaccinations are up to date, and was told by someone there that not all of the families have responded yet regarding the dog. What I failed to do tuesday, (and this only just occurred to me, so I'm mentally kicking myself for it), is tell the director that I can travel just as independently with the cane as I can with a dog, and the dog doesn't always have to be there with me. In reality, she might not always be there with me due to illness, retirement, whatever. So all that being said, here is my predicament:
> Do I call or email her Monday to let her know about the cane, or do I wait until she hears back from the rest of the families? I feel using the cane in the beginning will at least help me learn the layout of the building better at first, so I can direct the dog later on when I'm given clearance to bring her near the children. at the same time, I don't want to sound desperate, if you know what I mean.
> Anyway, I hope everyone has a good weekend. Welcome to all the newcomers to this list.
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From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 16:09:53 2014
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (johnnie Jean duran)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 09:09:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
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Hi guys,
Sorry it took me so long to reply.
It is getting better, we are practacing our drill for the first song
in our homecoming game show!
It's going well, but there's a lot of slide stepping! I decided not to
use the tether, I have just been following my section leader's
playing, since she is right next to me.
JJ

On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti brought up a great point.
> Section leader(s) are responsible for everyone in the section. This
> being said, section leaders are also students(just upper classmen with
> more experiences) so it is normal for anybody in the band to have
> whichever kinds of problems while going through the season.
> In addition to expressing your gratitude through small gifts such as
> baked goods, etc make sure to always acknowledge positive aspects while
> being assertive with your needs and desires when conversing with your
> leaders and staff.
> Also, remember that your leaders and staff are your resource. If your
> band has assistant drum major(s) and/or instructors in addition to your
> director ask them for help in finetuning your posture, horn angle, step
> size, whatever it may be. I used to ask my marching instructor to help
> me with improve postures or execution of certain techniques outside of
> our rehearsal time when I felt the need to do so.
> I am going to echo Kaiti in that the key here is to find what works for
> you and the band. I was able to work with a student guider because of a
> large sized band in which not everyone in the marching band was
> selected to competitively march and it was not necessary for the guider
> to be in the middle of the marching block. I know a student who has
> marched field shows with a student guider and I have read an article in
> which student just relied on verbal cues and sound cues when marching
> in a field band.
> I almost quit marching band myself in earlier years of high school but
> I am beyond glad I stuck through.
> Hope things will work out in favor of you as well as the band as a
> whole.
> Best,
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 7:29 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>
> Also, another trick I found useful is to show your section leader some
> appreciation for what they're doing to help you.  It doesn't have to
> be something extravagant, but maybe give them something to show you're
> appreciative every once in a while.  Sometimes that sort of thing can
> go a long way.  I gave my first section leader a cute little picture
> frame with a bunch of pictures of our section in it, since she was a
> senior, but other times I've put together little goodie bags as well.
> These are great for when your band has bus rides to football games or
> shows.  I typically put a Gatorade or Poweraid in there, some candy,
> and a bag of chips with a thank you note.  It seems small, but it can
> go a long way in making the section leader feel like the time they
> work with you means something important to you.  I also usually baked
> something at least once during every high school season and brought it
> in for the section to share, so other people who helped me out on the
> field would feel the same sort of thing.  I made the sweets I baked
> open to everyone in the section, but when offering it to certain
> people who help I'd just tell them thanks as they took their
> brownie/cookie/whatever.  These are relatively small things you can do
> to make people a little more willing to look out for your placement on
> the field during the rehearsals, not get impatient if it takes you
> longer to correct a wrong set, etc.
>
> On 9/3/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi, Johnnie,
>>
>> It's great that you're marching!  Marching band can be very
>> challenging to figure out alternative techniques for, as it is a very
>> intense physical activity which requires a blind person to also
>> exercise their spatial awareness.  To give you a background on my
>> experiences in marching, I am also a clarinetist, and began marching
>> with my high school when I was in the 8th grade.  I marched for 5
>> seasons with them, then for two more years with the band at my
>> college.  In both groups I have found some things that have worked for
>> me, some ways to approach working with section leaders and directors
>> to make everything work a little more seamlessly, and ways to even
>> adapt the drill so you can independently read it.  I'll tell you what
>> worked for me, and feel free to ask questions or contact me off list
>> if you would like more information.
>>
>> I had a pretty rough start to marching band myself.  My director had
>> never had a blind student in the band before, and I was not the most
>> coordinated kid.  Being one of the only middle school students invited
>> to play with the high school, I was also very intimidated by my older
>> peers.  I was lucky to get a great senior section leader, who was next
>> to me in every set.  We were a competition band though, so a lot of
>> our drill required me to move in curved lines, make different shapes
>> with the band for our sets, and be very attentive to where I was going
>> so I could line up with others.  We were hesitant to use a guide or a
>> tether, because we were worried judges would take off points.  I'm
>> sure we would have used a guide if we had to, but I was able to
>> develop techniques that allowed me to work without one.  If you do opt
>> to use a guide though, I'd see if a staff member could do it rather
>> than another member of the band.  I recommend this for several
>> reasons, mainly so the sets don't have to be totally rewritten to
>> accommodate the hole that would be created by pulling a band member
>> out of the sets they already have.  Also, having a staff member out of
>> uniform stand behind you sends a clearer picture to the judges.  It is
>> much easier for them to focus on the band and forget about the staff
>> member behind you than for them to question why two people in the same
>> outfit are marching one behind the other.  It's less likely that the
>> judges will assume something is wrong, because judges who have never
>> seen a blind person in a marching band will probably not pick up on
>> the reason for the guide from where they're sitting and while they're
>> focused on their score cards.
>>
>> If the section leader is unwilling to work with you, that is
>> definitely something to bring up to the director.  A section leader's
>> job is to assist the people in their section, and even though this is
>> a different kind of situation from what most section leaders will have
>> to work with, it's still their job.  You don't have to taddle on the
>> person because that certainly won't fix the problem, but maybe the you
>> and the director can brainstorm some ways in which your section leader
>> can better help you.  Perhaps they're just unsure of what to do or
>> feel overwhelmed, so they're hesitant to do the work.  I can say from
>> experience though that the first year is when the foundations for the
>> techniques is laid, so having a section leader on board with you can
>> make all the difference.  I'd also see if you could find some other
>> members of your section to help out with different tasks.  For
>> instance, though my section leader helped me to refine my technique in
>> that first year, I asked other members of my section to help when she
>> wasn't available to read dot sheets or to check my horn angle.  This
>> shows the section leader that the responsibility isn't totally on
>> them, and lets them know that although their help is valuable to you,
>> you are taking ownership of your own learning and are willing to seek
>> other sources.  Other upperclassmen in the section should be willing
>> to help you with other things as well.
>>
>> Learning slide steps just takes a while for any rookie to master,
>> because you have to get muscle memory.  Even veterain marchers need to
>> review it at the beginning of every season, and most bands review it
>> throughout the year because tapes will show sloppy shoulders, awkward
>> horn angles, and other issues that need to be fixed mid-season for
>> continued improvement.  You are definitely not alone in struggling to
>> slide.  What really helped me to get the hang of sliding was to have
>> my section leader guide me as I marched sideways.  They gently put
>> their hands on my shoulders, and follow me as I march.  They'll apply
>> pressure on the front or back of my shoulders to keep me from sliding
>> forward or backwards as I go sideways.  This exercise can get your
>> torso used to twisting the correct way, and once you get the muscle
>> memory marching in slides should be much easier.
>>
>> Listening to those around me has also been a big help.  It will take
>> practice, but after a while you'll start to focus on what those around
>> you are playing.  After a while in band I would be able to use the
>> people on either side of me as beacons, so I knew if they sounded
>> farther away than usual, if our line was continuing to move in a
>> particular direction, etc.  You should also know this information from
>> your dot sheets, but the sound is another tool you can use to help.
>>
>> For reading documents independently, my college marching band director
>> and I came up with a really great system that works wonderfully.
>> Instead of giving me a dot sheet along with the band, he will email me
>> my coordinates, which I can braille onto index cards.  I can punch a
>> hole in the top right corner of each card, and slide them onto one of
>> those metal rings.  The ring is easily clipped onto a belt loop, or
>> can hang on my right thumb while I'm playing so it doesn't get in the
>> way of the keys.  This is great because I don't have to rely on others
>> around me to look at my coordinates.  It takes a little more time to
>> braille out the cards, but you can put multiple sets on each card so
>> they'll fit.  Be sure to label the cards with the sets that they
>> contain to make finding the set you need faster.  Having that bit of
>> freedom in rehearsals is so worth the extra time.
>>
>> I think the secret to learning how to march for anyone is just finding
>> what methods work for them.  I'm very sensitive to changes in
>> lighting, so for the first year or so my biggest struggle was refining
>> my technique so I could still continue to march when we were marching
>> into a setting sun and I couldn't see anything, or if I was having a
>> bad visual day and everything had a halo.  I had to learn how to
>> accommodate for altered depth perception, to not being able to guide
>> to my right and to not being able to guide at all in certain lighting
>> situations, and to realizing that even if I am precisely on my dot,
>> the important thing is to go where the band goes over where you are
>> supposed to go, even if you know that it is wrong.  Every person is
>> going to find some technique that works for them, so I would encourage
>> you to stick it out at least for this first year to see how you like
>> it.  Marching band can be really rewarding once you figure out the
>> tips and tricks that work for you, it just takes a little while to
>> find what they are.
>>
>> Feel free to email me off list with any other questions you might
> have.
>> Kaiti.
>>
>>
>> On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
>>>  From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with
> parades
>>> and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems
> to
>>> be doing.
>>> Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be
> done
>>> with the guider.
>>> My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive
>>> parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching,
>>> sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
>>> Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the
>>> best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not
>>> every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
>>> Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field
> show,
>>> it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may
>>> disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should
>>> serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
>>> If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given
>>> that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people
>>> who are willing.
>>> In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is
>>> willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest
>>> musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
>>> However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of
>>> your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
>>> Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able
> to
>>> get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student
> if
>>> that is necessary.
>>> Best regards,
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National
> Association
>>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
>>> now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
>>> one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
>>> your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
>>> shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
>>> ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
>>> immediately.
>>>
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>>
>>> Dear NABS Members,
>>> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
>>> first
>>> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
>>> I am
>>> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
>>> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
>>> we
>>> started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
>>> I am
>>> doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
>>> facing
>>> one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
>>> continuously
>>> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
>>> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
>>> now
>>> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
>>> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
>>> section
>>> leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
>>> quitting.
>>> Please help!
>>> JJ
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
>>> 9th Grade Student
>>> Alameda International High School
>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
>>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
>>> (NFBCO),
>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
>>> Metro
>>> Chapter of the NFB.
>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
>>> Skype: jj.duran13
>>> Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
>>> Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)
>>>
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>>
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
>
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
>
>
>
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-- 
Ms. Johnnie Jean Duran
9th Grade Student
Alameda International High School
Lakewood, Colorado, United States
Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado (NFBCO),
The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North Metro
Chapter of the NFB.
Facebook: http://facebook.com/johnniejean.duran
Skype: jj.duran13
Twitter: http://www.twitter.com/jj_duran14
Voicemail: (303) 552-9683 (Voicemail only)


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 17:34:27 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:34:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step Toward My Independence
Message-ID: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to share another step that I took towards my 
independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the Business 
Administration Building where my classroom was located to meet my 
dad.  I went down the stairs and out the door all the way down to 
Stage One of the Theater building where was my dad was waiting 
for me.  Hope to hear from you soon.


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 17:40:51 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 12:40:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step Toward My Independence
In-Reply-To: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>
References: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <BA5BCAD8-00F7-4B87-A8E3-D57C9A35DF8C@gmail.com>

Great job :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the Business Administration Building where my classroom was located to meet my dad.  I went down the stairs and out the door all the way down to Stage One of the Theater building where was my dad was waiting for me.  Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Sep 12 17:46:00 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 13:46:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step Toward My Independence
In-Reply-To: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>
References: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D149D918-D152-4B66-9248-C3131056D256@gmail.com>

Every step, small though it may seem, counts. Congratulations!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the Business Administration Building where my classroom was located to meet my dad.  I went down the stairs and out the door all the way down to Stage One of the Theater building where was my dad was waiting for me.  Hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From anjelinac at att.net  Fri Sep 12 19:02:29 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 15:02:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Another Step Toward My Independence
In-Reply-To: <D149D918-D152-4B66-9248-C3131056D256@gmail.com>
References: <54132ecc.63a5b60a.3ce4.fffff979@mx.google.com>
	<D149D918-D152-4B66-9248-C3131056D256@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <332F0C63-E407-45E5-A2ED-5CA93C74C241@att.net>

Way to go. One step at a time.

Anjelina


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:46 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Every step, small though it may seem, counts. Congratulations!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 12, 2014, at 1:34 PM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear Students,
>> 
>> I'd like to share another step that I took towards my independence.  Yesterday I walked out of the Business Administration Building where my classroom was located to meet my dad.  I went down the stairs and out the door all the way down to Stage One of the Theater building where was my dad was waiting for me.  Hope to hear from you soon.
>> 
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From kevinchao89 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 00:52:11 2014
From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao)
Date: Fri, 12 Sep 2014 17:52:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
In-Reply-To: <0NBR00COI9KZF600@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0NBR00COI9KZF600@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <CAFPgekP2cnKSGYmnb-e=CQzRUn_QUsrE3BvP-S56QTgMup2_Vw@mail.gmail.com>

Kevin Chao Has Arrived At His Destination
September 10, 2014
It's about time that I can finally say that my life feels complete...
I have retired twice at the age of 24. I invested a lot of energy into
academia and the financial services, spent lots of energy at an
educational institution and in the banking world; in July 2014, I took
out my 401K and pension plans from the University System of Georgia
and JPMorgan Chase.
I am engaged with the love of my life with a glamorous house, fancy
cars, animals as babies...
All American blonde (French, Irish, and Swedish) woman;
4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, spacious front/backyards;
Mercedes E350, Mitsubishi Eclipse;
Exotic Australian Bird and Poodle/Shih Tzu/Maltez dogs;
And, we will get married on 10/17/14, exactly a quarter-of-a-century
after the big earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area...
ON September 8, 2014, I formed my own not-for-profit organization,
which is in academia, an educational campaign, an awareness effort for
those of us who are blind/visually impaired...

On 9/11/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
> Hi Kevin,
>
> Wow, really nice story! It does seem that you've been through a
> lot in the past 6 years.
>
> Wow, you've actually been to China? That's cool.  I've never been
> all the way over there, but would love to go some day and see how
> it is.
>
> How was that Skype conference you were talking about? That's
> really awesome that you got to travel around the world, which is
> also one of my dreams :)
>
> Good luck with all your future endeavors.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sami.
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Chao via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:29:47 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
>
> Resurrecting Kevin's Blog After Six Years...
> August 14, 2014
> The Summer of 2008 is when my cousin, Michell Gip experimented
> with
> Beike Biotech and went in for treatment for an entire month in
> Qingdao.  In May 2009, I went to China to make myself a test
> subject
> for stem cell therapy.  This was an attempt to create a solution
> for a
> problem that I experienced when I was 14.  A decade ago, three of
> my
> cousin's (10 years old girl, 5 YO boy, and 12 YO boy) on my
> mother
> side of the family, and I were diagnosed with: Leber hereditary
> optic
> neuropathy (LHON).
> Since October, 2009, I had Twitter.com/KevinChao89 and handed the
> Twitter account over to my significant other in June 2014.  Our
> joint-personal Twitter handle is: https://twitter.com/janicem2020
> and
> our business handle is: https://twitter.com/probizmgmt
> On 10/1/12, I was ask to RSVP - Skype Closed Beta Days 2012.
> Below is the letter I received:
> "Dear Beta Tester,
> Every year we honour those members of our beta test team who have
> excelled in their participation to join us for a two day
> technical
> conference and meet people from all over the globe.
> We are deeply thankful for your contribution to Skype Beta
> Program
> during 2012.  And you are cordially invited to 2012 Skype Beta
> Days.
> Skype will cover all your travel cost (air flight, hotel) for the
> event attendance.
> Event Details
> Place : Prague, Czech Republic
> Venue: Radisson Blu, Prague
> Date: Nov 14 -16"
> In November, 2012, After working at the Georgia Institute of
> Technology (job title: Accessibility and Quality Control
> Specialist)
> in Atlanta, I founded Inclusive Digital Accessibility World.  IDA
> WORLD
> is your accessibility consultant providing audits, quality
> assurance
> evaluations, and trainings for small businesses, large
> enterprises,
> and people with disabilities.
> Biz Clients: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Skype, CourseSmart,
> MailChimp,
> My Blind Spot, Pro Money Image, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase & Co.,
> Braille
> Works, RSA Security Management, etc.
> Business Partners: Janice Messier, Lyft, Uber, Michaels Arts &
> Crafts,
> Tap Plastics, Niche Business Cafe, Mike May Speaking, 6dot,
> Intuit,
> UpperCloud Media, The Michael Hingson Group (Motivational
> Speaker),
> etc.
> In the mix of my business trip to Europe, I had to plan for my
> work
> with JPMorgan Chase & Co.  as Digital Accessibility SME in San
> Francisco, CA.  My dreams of traveling the world, working for a
> technology company, and working in Silicon Valley all came true;
> I
> felt like I was in paradise!!!
> For detailed specifics on my career, please see my professional
> profile on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchao89
>
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 18:47:25 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:47:25 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
In-Reply-To: <12685801-2237-4DE3-AB85-F9A5F9FD2A6E@me.com>
References: <992A48EEAB7B4A3DA7C5D01F893339DF@JohnSandersPC>
	<00fd01cfcd62$5b33e350$119ba9f0$@gmail.com>
	<74D67939-81E7-4169-864C-78A666AAFEC9@gmail.com>
	<12685801-2237-4DE3-AB85-F9A5F9FD2A6E@me.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OnPfGFgFjCsFvA+GjmPgyf+N3uh+X64rbO-A_KqQkV4-q0YQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi John,
The cheapest Iphone ap that will tell you what things say I can think
of right now is called Tap Tap See. It's like 9 dollars for 100
pictures taken per month. I know there's also another one called Image
to Text. You can take a picture of the print page and email it to
yourself. Anyhow, I'll see what else I can find out for you.
Jahmall, how much will the K NFB Reader cost for IPhone 5S?
Thanks a bunch,
Liliya

On 9/11/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Along with the release if I was eight, the cayenne FB reader will be coming
> out for the iPhone 5 S.
> It's not free, but from what I've heard it's the best one so far.
> Jahmal
>
>
>
>> On Sep 11, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>> This is a great question. Are there any apps whether they are free or not
>> that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though there
>>> are
>>> many for fairly low prices. Keep in mind, however, that you get what you
>>> pay
>>> for.
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
>>> sandersj6---
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
>>> Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person can tell
>>> what papers say?
>>> I hope to hear from you soon.
>>> Sincerely,
>>> John Sanders
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 18:49:41 2014
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:49:41 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
Message-ID: <541491dd.8187460a.4f9a.38b6@mx.google.com>

yThere is an app called ocr kit, but that one isn't free.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Jahmal Lovato <jahmallovato at me.com>, National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:47:25 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

Hi John,
The cheapest Iphone ap that will tell you what things say I can 
think
of right now is called Tap Tap See.  It's like 9 dollars for 100
pictures taken per month.  I know there's also another one called 
Image
to Text.  You can take a picture of the print page and email it 
to
yourself.  Anyhow, I'll see what else I can find out for you.
Jahmall, how much will the K NFB Reader cost for IPhone 5S?
Thanks a bunch,
Liliya

On 9/11/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Along with the release if I was eight, the cayenne FB reader 
will be coming
 out for the iPhone 5 S.
 It's not free, but from what I've heard it's the best one so 
far.
 Jahmal



 On Sep 11, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi,
 This is a great question.  Are there any apps whether they are 
free or not
 that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though 
there
 are
 many for fairly low prices.  Keep in mind, however, that you get 
what you
 pay
 for.

 Chris

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 sandersj6---
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

 Hi,
 I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
 Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person 
can tell
 what papers say?
 I hope to hear from you soon.
 Sincerely,
 John Sanders
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Sep 13 20:43:52 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 15:43:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
Message-ID: <5414aca9.37208c0a.7c80.ffffb508@mx.google.com>

I've heard the NKFB reader will cost about $99. When I first 
heard this, I was outraged. But then, I went to a demonstration 
at this year's convention, and it eems to be far more accurate 
than any other OCR app. As someone said earlier in this thread 
said, you get what you pay for. We'll have to wait and see if the 
KNFB reader app is worth the price tag.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Liliya Asadullina <lily2011a at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,jahmallovato at me.com
Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:49:41 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

yThere is an app called ocr kit, but that one isn't free.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Jahmal Lovato <jahmallovato at me.com>, National Association of
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:47:25 -0600
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

Hi John,
The cheapest Iphone ap that will tell you what things say I can
think
of right now is called Tap Tap See.  It's like 9 dollars for 100
pictures taken per month.  I know there's also another one called
Image
to Text.  You can take a picture of the print page and email it
to
yourself.  Anyhow, I'll see what else I can find out for you.
Jahmall, how much will the K NFB Reader cost for IPhone 5S?
Thanks a bunch,
Liliya

On 9/11/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 Along with the release if I was eight, the cayenne FB reader
will be coming
 out for the iPhone 5 S.
 It's not free, but from what I've heard it's the best one so
far.
 Jahmal



 On Sep 11, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Hi,
 This is a great question.  Are there any apps whether they are
free or not
 that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 wrote:

 Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though
there
 are
 many for fairly low prices.  Keep in mind, however, that you get
what you
 pay
 for.

 Chris

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
 sandersj6---
 via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question

 Hi,
 I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
 Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person
can tell
 what papers say?
 I hope to hear from you soon.
 Sincerely,
 John Sanders
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From pgradioman at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 14 00:58:33 2014
From: pgradioman at hotmail.com (Preston Gaylor)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
Message-ID: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>

Hello all:
So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home from CCB in 2 weeks!
I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to care for a baby when you're blind.
Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
Take care,
Preston


Sent from my iPhone

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 01:01:50 2014
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:01:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
Message-ID: <5414e917.c781420a.1cf9.5c24@mx.google.com>

Sign up for the blind kids list.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Preston Gaylor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?

Hello all:
So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come 
home from CCB in 2 weeks!
I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how 
to care for a baby when you're blind.
Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
Take care,
Preston


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From frandi.galindo at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 01:34:34 2014
From: frandi.galindo at gmail.com (frandi.galindo at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 20:34:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
In-Reply-To: <5414e917.c781420a.1cf9.5c24@mx.google.com>
References: <5414e917.c781420a.1cf9.5c24@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <821E2609A1464D0184EDF91E7D3CB65D@HomeBase>

Hello,
My wife and I are both blind parents, and we have a 3 month old beaby.  It 
all depends on what you are trying or wanting to do.  When you are feeding 
the baby and you are burping him, you can hear a hollow sound when patting 
his or her back.  When you are changing him, immediately place a baby wipe 
upon his nether regions or risk a baby shower.  After placing the wipe, wipe 
himm off, remove the diaper, and immediately slide the clean one under him. 
Rember the first wipe stays on right before you pouder him.  Close him up, 
and whalah.  A diaper rash is known to you when he crys when he is beeing 
wiped.  If you have any other questions, ask away, and I or somebody else 
will try to answer them.

-----Original Message----- 
From: petras via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 8:01 PM
To: Preston Gaylor ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?

Sign up for the blind kids list.

----- Original Message -----
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To: "nabs-l at nfbnet.org" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?

Hello all:
So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come
home from CCB in 2 weeks!
I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how
to care for a baby when you're blind.
Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
Take care,
Preston


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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 14 01:50:50 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 18:50:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
Message-ID: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>

Hi all,
Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover will read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone shared a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how did you fix it?

Best,
Kaley

From djdan567 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 03:34:23 2014
From: djdan567 at gmail.com (Daniel Romero)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:34:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
In-Reply-To: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
References: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAHqJse1LgC6Vpt8GDK5t4tArPsfNWgut17DMUWq_idfh_9Rkvw@mail.gmail.com>

Sometimes this happens, so just hit the button that says "New
Stories," after the check in button. That'll pull your newsfeed up in
full in stead of showing you what people have shared. Hope this helps.
:)

On 9/13/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover will
> read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone shared
> a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a
> plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how did
> you fix it?
>
> Best,
> Kaley
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From anjelinac at att.net  Sun Sep 14 15:52:48 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:52:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
In-Reply-To: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C804989E-C3D3-4ABD-AC48-E16EFE9C74F6@att.net>

Hi Preston and all, congratulations on the new addition to your family. It is possible for a blind person to care for a baby. Do you have specific questions or tasks you want to complete when you see the new baby?
Anjelina


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2014, at 8:58 PM, Preston Gaylor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
> We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
> I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home from CCB in 2 weeks!
> I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to care for a baby when you're blind.
> Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
> Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
> Take care,
> Preston
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sun Sep 14 16:10:54 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 09:10:54 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Career Fairs and Conventions
Message-ID: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I am legally blind. How do handle large gathering like conventions? I will
be attending the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing. Part of it
is a huge career fair. How to you deal with things like that when you can't
see the banner for what company is at the booth? These situations are what
I find most difficult about being legally blind. There is a group from my
school going but everyone has their own agenda and I don't know any of them
well enough to hang out with and have them be my eyes.

There are far too many booths to approach every one of them.

Thank you
Suzanne

From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Sep 14 16:28:29 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 12:28:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Career Fairs and Conventions
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A021125D-C740-40D4-B933-47BD633FC1EC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I completely understand your pain. I've been to a lot of career/activity fairs in the past year and it is always a little difficult. But here what I've learned so far. 

1. See who all is attending. Usually this is on a website or flyer or something. Then decide who you want to check out. 
2. Most  (all?) events have a coordinator. You can get in touch with them by usually calling the sponsor of the event. Tell them who you are interested in talking to and see if they can arrange for someone to show you to all the different places you want to talk to. I don't mean hold your hand throughout the entire night. I mean, they can show you to each booth either before the event or early during the event so you'll know which booths you want to come back and spend some time at once you've got the lay of the land. 

Other than getting a sighted person or just wondering around and talking to each booth, I haven't found a better way to be independent. 

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am legally blind. How do handle large gathering like conventions? I will
> be attending the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing. Part of it
> is a huge career fair. How to you deal with things like that when you can't
> see the banner for what company is at the booth? These situations are what
> I find most difficult about being legally blind. There is a group from my
> school going but everyone has their own agenda and I don't know any of them
> well enough to hang out with and have them be my eyes.
> 
> There are far too many booths to approach every one of them.
> 
> Thank you
> Suzanne
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Sep 14 16:44:06 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 11:44:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
In-Reply-To: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <auto-000168363587@mailfront3.g2host.com>

You can probably get better information on this topic from our blind 
parent list,

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org

to join.

Dave

At 07:58 PM 9/13/2014, you wrote:
>Hello all:
>So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
>We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
>I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come 
>home from CCB in 2 weeks!
>I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to 
>care for a baby when you're blind.
>Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
>Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
>Take care,
>Preston

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 14 19:11:22 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (Minh Ha)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 15:11:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Career Fairs and Conventions
In-Reply-To: <A021125D-C740-40D4-B933-47BD633FC1EC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CAF=_avfA_fNj7QABnqmwxRaLa1LJgG4goP8nS6FLQBgjuLD4gQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<A021125D-C740-40D4-B933-47BD633FC1EC@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <EC47A64D-4AAD-4F60-A58B-BF1ADCA5F638@gmail.com>

I agree with all of Derick's suggestions to tackle career fairs. Generally what I would do is partner up with a friend with similar interests and we would go to the pertinent booths together. However, I know that there are usually a lot of volunteers at these sort of events and if you get in touch with the right people, they can hook you up with someone at the fair to walk around with you.

Minh

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I completely understand your pain. I've been to a lot of career/activity fairs in the past year and it is always a little difficult. But here what I've learned so far. 
> 
> 1. See who all is attending. Usually this is on a website or flyer or something. Then decide who you want to check out. 
> 2. Most  (all?) events have a coordinator. You can get in touch with them by usually calling the sponsor of the event. Tell them who you are interested in talking to and see if they can arrange for someone to show you to all the different places you want to talk to. I don't mean hold your hand throughout the entire night. I mean, they can show you to each booth either before the event or early during the event so you'll know which booths you want to come back and spend some time at once you've got the lay of the land. 
> 
> Other than getting a sighted person or just wondering around and talking to each booth, I haven't found a better way to be independent. 
> 
> Best
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> I am legally blind. How do handle large gathering like conventions? I will
>> be attending the Grace Hopper Celebration of Women in Computing. Part of it
>> is a huge career fair. How to you deal with things like that when you can't
>> see the banner for what company is at the booth? These situations are what
>> I find most difficult about being legally blind. There is a group from my
>> school going but everyone has their own agenda and I don't know any of them
>> well enough to hang out with and have them be my eyes.
>> 
>> There are far too many booths to approach every one of them.
>> 
>> Thank you
>> Suzanne
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Sep 14 21:12:08 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:12:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
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I don't mean this to sound downish.  But most sighted people don't have a
clue on how to care for an infant in the beginning.  We have raised 3 kids
and now are helping with 4 grandkids.  You can listen for cries.  You can
hold them as you feed them a bottle.  Believe me, the baby will let you know
if he/she is not getting anything from the bottle.  Your fingers will tell
you if the diaper is going on correctly.  Don't be afraid to ask someone the
first time you change Tim.  The nurse showed me when I was visiting my first
son and mom in the hospital.  I'm betting you know more than you think you
do.  The next step is to have the nerve to just go ahead and do it.  You
might find out you have more trouble with mom and her boyfriend than you do
in taking care of your brother.  

Loren 



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Sign up for the blind kids list.

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18:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?

Hello all:
So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home from
CCB in 2 weeks!
I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to care for
a baby when you're blind.
Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
Take care,
Preston


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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Sep 14 21:15:40 2014
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 16:15:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
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I'm sorry Dave if I was out of line for sharing a little with him.  

Loren 



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via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 11:44 AM
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You can probably get better information on this topic from our blind parent
list,

http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org

to join.

Dave

At 07:58 PM 9/13/2014, you wrote:
>Hello all:
>So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
>We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
>I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home 
>from CCB in 2 weeks!
>I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to 
>care for a baby when you're blind.
>Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
>Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
>Take care,
>Preston

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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 14 03:52:21 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 23:52:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
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My newsfeed is showing everything the problem is that voiceover will only read a thing if someone shared a link or commented on something it won't read a plane status I'll tap it and it just won't read it it's kind of strange

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On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Sometimes this happens, so just hit the button that says "New
> Stories," after the check in button. That'll pull your newsfeed up in
> full in stead of showing you what people have shared. Hope this helps.
> :)
> 
> On 9/13/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover will
>> read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone shared
>> a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a
>> plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how did
>> you fix it?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Kaley
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Sep 15 01:34:08 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:34:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
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Hi JJ, I'm glad that you're able to make it work. Hope it continues to work out for you.

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> On Sep 12, 2014, at 11:10 AM, "johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi guys,
> Sorry it took me so long to reply.
> It is getting better, we are practacing our drill for the first song
> in our homecoming game show!
> It's going well, but there's a lot of slide stepping! I decided not to
> use the tether, I have just been following my section leader's
> playing, since she is right next to me.
> JJ
> 
>> On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kaiti brought up a great point.
>> Section leader(s) are responsible for everyone in the section. This
>> being said, section leaders are also students(just upper classmen with
>> more experiences) so it is normal for anybody in the band to have
>> whichever kinds of problems while going through the season.
>> In addition to expressing your gratitude through small gifts such as
>> baked goods, etc make sure to always acknowledge positive aspects while
>> being assertive with your needs and desires when conversing with your
>> leaders and staff.
>> Also, remember that your leaders and staff are your resource. If your
>> band has assistant drum major(s) and/or instructors in addition to your
>> director ask them for help in finetuning your posture, horn angle, step
>> size, whatever it may be. I used to ask my marching instructor to help
>> me with improve postures or execution of certain techniques outside of
>> our rehearsal time when I felt the need to do so.
>> I am going to echo Kaiti in that the key here is to find what works for
>> you and the band. I was able to work with a student guider because of a
>> large sized band in which not everyone in the marching band was
>> selected to competitively march and it was not necessary for the guider
>> to be in the middle of the marching block. I know a student who has
>> marched field shows with a student guider and I have read an article in
>> which student just relied on verbal cues and sound cues when marching
>> in a field band.
>> I almost quit marching band myself in earlier years of high school but
>> I am beyond glad I stuck through.
>> Hope things will work out in favor of you as well as the band as a
>> whole.
>> Best,
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
>> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 7:29 pm
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>> 
>> Also, another trick I found useful is to show your section leader some
>> appreciation for what they're doing to help you.  It doesn't have to
>> be something extravagant, but maybe give them something to show you're
>> appreciative every once in a while.  Sometimes that sort of thing can
>> go a long way.  I gave my first section leader a cute little picture
>> frame with a bunch of pictures of our section in it, since she was a
>> senior, but other times I've put together little goodie bags as well.
>> These are great for when your band has bus rides to football games or
>> shows.  I typically put a Gatorade or Poweraid in there, some candy,
>> and a bag of chips with a thank you note.  It seems small, but it can
>> go a long way in making the section leader feel like the time they
>> work with you means something important to you.  I also usually baked
>> something at least once during every high school season and brought it
>> in for the section to share, so other people who helped me out on the
>> field would feel the same sort of thing.  I made the sweets I baked
>> open to everyone in the section, but when offering it to certain
>> people who help I'd just tell them thanks as they took their
>> brownie/cookie/whatever.  These are relatively small things you can do
>> to make people a little more willing to look out for your placement on
>> the field during the rehearsals, not get impatient if it takes you
>> longer to correct a wrong set, etc.
>> 
>>> On 9/3/14, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Hi, Johnnie,
>>> 
>>> It's great that you're marching!  Marching band can be very
>>> challenging to figure out alternative techniques for, as it is a very
>>> intense physical activity which requires a blind person to also
>>> exercise their spatial awareness.  To give you a background on my
>>> experiences in marching, I am also a clarinetist, and began marching
>>> with my high school when I was in the 8th grade.  I marched for 5
>>> seasons with them, then for two more years with the band at my
>>> college.  In both groups I have found some things that have worked for
>>> me, some ways to approach working with section leaders and directors
>>> to make everything work a little more seamlessly, and ways to even
>>> adapt the drill so you can independently read it.  I'll tell you what
>>> worked for me, and feel free to ask questions or contact me off list
>>> if you would like more information.
>>> 
>>> I had a pretty rough start to marching band myself.  My director had
>>> never had a blind student in the band before, and I was not the most
>>> coordinated kid.  Being one of the only middle school students invited
>>> to play with the high school, I was also very intimidated by my older
>>> peers.  I was lucky to get a great senior section leader, who was next
>>> to me in every set.  We were a competition band though, so a lot of
>>> our drill required me to move in curved lines, make different shapes
>>> with the band for our sets, and be very attentive to where I was going
>>> so I could line up with others.  We were hesitant to use a guide or a
>>> tether, because we were worried judges would take off points.  I'm
>>> sure we would have used a guide if we had to, but I was able to
>>> develop techniques that allowed me to work without one.  If you do opt
>>> to use a guide though, I'd see if a staff member could do it rather
>>> than another member of the band.  I recommend this for several
>>> reasons, mainly so the sets don't have to be totally rewritten to
>>> accommodate the hole that would be created by pulling a band member
>>> out of the sets they already have.  Also, having a staff member out of
>>> uniform stand behind you sends a clearer picture to the judges.  It is
>>> much easier for them to focus on the band and forget about the staff
>>> member behind you than for them to question why two people in the same
>>> outfit are marching one behind the other.  It's less likely that the
>>> judges will assume something is wrong, because judges who have never
>>> seen a blind person in a marching band will probably not pick up on
>>> the reason for the guide from where they're sitting and while they're
>>> focused on their score cards.
>>> 
>>> If the section leader is unwilling to work with you, that is
>>> definitely something to bring up to the director.  A section leader's
>>> job is to assist the people in their section, and even though this is
>>> a different kind of situation from what most section leaders will have
>>> to work with, it's still their job.  You don't have to taddle on the
>>> person because that certainly won't fix the problem, but maybe the you
>>> and the director can brainstorm some ways in which your section leader
>>> can better help you.  Perhaps they're just unsure of what to do or
>>> feel overwhelmed, so they're hesitant to do the work.  I can say from
>>> experience though that the first year is when the foundations for the
>>> techniques is laid, so having a section leader on board with you can
>>> make all the difference.  I'd also see if you could find some other
>>> members of your section to help out with different tasks.  For
>>> instance, though my section leader helped me to refine my technique in
>>> that first year, I asked other members of my section to help when she
>>> wasn't available to read dot sheets or to check my horn angle.  This
>>> shows the section leader that the responsibility isn't totally on
>>> them, and lets them know that although their help is valuable to you,
>>> you are taking ownership of your own learning and are willing to seek
>>> other sources.  Other upperclassmen in the section should be willing
>>> to help you with other things as well.
>>> 
>>> Learning slide steps just takes a while for any rookie to master,
>>> because you have to get muscle memory.  Even veterain marchers need to
>>> review it at the beginning of every season, and most bands review it
>>> throughout the year because tapes will show sloppy shoulders, awkward
>>> horn angles, and other issues that need to be fixed mid-season for
>>> continued improvement.  You are definitely not alone in struggling to
>>> slide.  What really helped me to get the hang of sliding was to have
>>> my section leader guide me as I marched sideways.  They gently put
>>> their hands on my shoulders, and follow me as I march.  They'll apply
>>> pressure on the front or back of my shoulders to keep me from sliding
>>> forward or backwards as I go sideways.  This exercise can get your
>>> torso used to twisting the correct way, and once you get the muscle
>>> memory marching in slides should be much easier.
>>> 
>>> Listening to those around me has also been a big help.  It will take
>>> practice, but after a while you'll start to focus on what those around
>>> you are playing.  After a while in band I would be able to use the
>>> people on either side of me as beacons, so I knew if they sounded
>>> farther away than usual, if our line was continuing to move in a
>>> particular direction, etc.  You should also know this information from
>>> your dot sheets, but the sound is another tool you can use to help.
>>> 
>>> For reading documents independently, my college marching band director
>>> and I came up with a really great system that works wonderfully.
>>> Instead of giving me a dot sheet along with the band, he will email me
>>> my coordinates, which I can braille onto index cards.  I can punch a
>>> hole in the top right corner of each card, and slide them onto one of
>>> those metal rings.  The ring is easily clipped onto a belt loop, or
>>> can hang on my right thumb while I'm playing so it doesn't get in the
>>> way of the keys.  This is great because I don't have to rely on others
>>> around me to look at my coordinates.  It takes a little more time to
>>> braille out the cards, but you can put multiple sets on each card so
>>> they'll fit.  Be sure to label the cards with the sets that they
>>> contain to make finding the set you need faster.  Having that bit of
>>> freedom in rehearsals is so worth the extra time.
>>> 
>>> I think the secret to learning how to march for anyone is just finding
>>> what methods work for them.  I'm very sensitive to changes in
>>> lighting, so for the first year or so my biggest struggle was refining
>>> my technique so I could still continue to march when we were marching
>>> into a setting sun and I couldn't see anything, or if I was having a
>>> bad visual day and everything had a halo.  I had to learn how to
>>> accommodate for altered depth perception, to not being able to guide
>>> to my right and to not being able to guide at all in certain lighting
>>> situations, and to realizing that even if I am precisely on my dot,
>>> the important thing is to go where the band goes over where you are
>>> supposed to go, even if you know that it is wrong.  Every person is
>>> going to find some technique that works for them, so I would encourage
>>> you to stick it out at least for this first year to see how you like
>>> it.  Marching band can be really rewarding once you figure out the
>>> tips and tricks that work for you, it just takes a little while to
>>> find what they are.
>>> 
>>> Feel free to email me off list with any other questions you might
>> have.
>>> Kaiti.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/3/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> What Marissa pointed out is how I marched my competitive parades.
>>>> From my experience, the guider method works perfectly well with
>> parades
>>>> and certainly adaptable with field band which Johnnie's school seems
>> to
>>>> be doing.
>>>> Side steping or also known as sliding is also possible and can be
>> done
>>>> with the guider.
>>>> My high school did not heavily march field shows (mostly competitive
>>>> parades) but I have done basic field band including forward marching,
>>>> sliding, and backward marching with a guider.
>>>> Teather is a possible option but based on my experience, is not the
>>>> best option because each uniform is structured differently, so not
>>>> every uniform is conveniently built for attaching the teather.
>>>> Also, if your high school band is marching in a competitive field
>> show,
>>>> it will not serve well for the band's performance as a whole. You may
>>>> disagree, but I don't think participation of a blind student should
>>>> serve as a down side for the band as a whole.
>>>> If your band is performing only locally, teather can work out given
>>>> that you are able to utilize it with your uniform and you have people
>>>> who are willing.
>>>> In terms of finding a guider, I would recommend a student who is
>>>> willing and is a good marcher but not necessarily the strongest
>>>> musician. This will serve greatly for both you and the band.
>>>> However, this may not be the best solution depending on the size of
>>>> your band, type of band, style of the show, etc.
>>>> Lastly, if your band is competing, your band director should be able
>> to
>>>> get appropriate paperwork stating that the band has a blind student
>> if
>>>> that is necessary.
>>>> Best regards,
>>>> Miso Kwak
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: johnnie Jean duran <johnniejduran at gmail.com>; National
>> Association
>>>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Wed, Sep 3, 2014 3:49 pm
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Hi,
>>>> 
>>>> Do not quit.  I am in marching band and have been for thre years
>>>> now.  We do not do drills and such, but rather, move forward as
>>>> one.  I suggest talking to your teacher.  Explain to him or her
>>>> your problem.  My teacher, stands behind me with his hand on my
>>>> shoulder, guiding me.  It's very easyly worked out and if people
>>>> ask, we just explain that I cannot see and they understand
>>>> immediately.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: johnnie Jean duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Wed, 3 Sep 2014 12:40:11 -0700
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Marching Band
>>>> 
>>>> Dear NABS Members,
>>>> For 3 years, I've always had a passion for the clarinet.  I was
>>>> first
>>>> clarinet player in my middle school's concert band, and now that
>>>> I am
>>>> in high school, I am taking on marching band.
>>>> Marching band was wonderful, intense but amazing, that is until
>>>> we
>>>> started marching.  I was doing ok with marching forward, but now,
>>>> I am
>>>> doing the slide steps.  These are when your torso and face are
>>>> facing
>>>> one way while you're marching the other way.  I am now
>>>> continuously
>>>> drifting away, and I have no control over it.
>>>> My section leader was amazing at first, she helped me a lot, and
>>>> now
>>>> she is not willing to work with me as much at all.
>>>> Does anyone have any ideas? My TVI suggested a teather, but my
>>>> section
>>>> leader refuses to use it.  I'm stuck, and am having thoughts of
>>>> quitting.
>>>> Please help!
>>>> JJ
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Ms.  Johnnie Jean Duran
>>>> 9th Grade Student
>>>> Alameda International High School
>>>> Lakewood, Colorado, United States
>>>> Member Of The National Federation Of The Blind Of Colorado
>>>> (NFBCO),
>>>> The Colorado Association Of Blind Students (CABS), and the North
>>>> Metro
>>>> Chapter of the NFB.
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>> 
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>> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Sep 15 01:44:42 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 20:44:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
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References: <5414aca9.37208c0a.7c80.ffffb508@mx.google.com>
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Hi, I'm pretty sure it is worth the hefty price tag bet it has on it as I will send to the presentation on iBlink Radio.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 13, 2014, at 3:44 PM, "Sophie Trist via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've heard the NKFB reader will cost about $99. When I first heard this, I was outraged. But then, I went to a demonstration at this year's convention, and it eems to be far more accurate than any other OCR app. As someone said earlier in this thread said, you get what you pay for. We'll have to wait and see if the KNFB reader app is worth the price tag.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Liliya Asadullina <lily2011a at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,jahmallovato at me.com
> Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 11:49:41 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
> 
> yThere is an app called ocr kit, but that one isn't free.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Liliya Asadullina via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Jahmal Lovato <jahmallovato at me.com>, National Association of
> Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 13 Sep 2014 12:47:25 -0600
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
> 
> Hi John,
> The cheapest Iphone ap that will tell you what things say I can
> think
> of right now is called Tap Tap See.  It's like 9 dollars for 100
> pictures taken per month.  I know there's also another one called
> Image
> to Text.  You can take a picture of the print page and email it
> to
> yourself.  Anyhow, I'll see what else I can find out for you.
> Jahmall, how much will the K NFB Reader cost for IPhone 5S?
> Thanks a bunch,
> Liliya
> 
> On 9/11/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Along with the release if I was eight, the cayenne FB reader
> will be coming
> out for the iPhone 5 S.
> It's not free, but from what I've heard it's the best one so
> far.
> Jahmal
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 11, 2014, at 1:15 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> This is a great question.  Are there any apps whether they are
> free or not
> that will read text for the iPhone 5S? Thanks so much
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Sep 10, 2014, at 8:47 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> wrote:
> 
> Unfortunately there are no free OCR apps that I know of, though
> there
> are
> many for fairly low prices.  Keep in mind, however, that you get
> what you
> pay
> for.
> 
> Chris
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> sandersj6---
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2014 8:20 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] Iphone app question
> 
> Hi,
> I have a question: I have the IPhone 5C with IOS 7.
> Are there any free OCR apps for the IPhone where a blind person
> can tell
> what papers say?
> I hope to hear from you soon.
> Sincerely,
> John Sanders
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 02:56:59 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 22:56:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
In-Reply-To: <87ACF0BD-C3DA-4C34-B1B8-56D4C52B5B07@bellsouth.net>
References: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAHqJse1LgC6Vpt8GDK5t4tArPsfNWgut17DMUWq_idfh_9Rkvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ACF0BD-C3DA-4C34-B1B8-56D4C52B5B07@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FY+otL9S+F+9JGcjkABbo867wdK47X1Qfd_+2rk5buD4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Mine has done that before.  Have you tried refreshing the page?
Sometimes either pulling down till the page refreshes, or closing the
app in the app switcher and going back in will do the trick.  That's
usually what fixed the problem for me.

On 9/13/14, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> My newsfeed is showing everything the problem is that voiceover will only
> read a thing if someone shared a link or commented on something it won't
> read a plane status I'll tap it and it just won't read it it's kind of
> strange
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sometimes this happens, so just hit the button that says "New
>> Stories," after the check in button. That'll pull your newsfeed up in
>> full in stead of showing you what people have shared. Hope this helps.
>> :)
>>
>> On 9/13/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>> Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover
>>> will
>>> read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone
>>> shared
>>> a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a
>>> plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how
>>> did
>>> you fix it?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Kaley
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>> http://www.z108.net
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>> http://www.hits94.com
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Mon Sep 15 03:01:54 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 23:01:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FY+otL9S+F+9JGcjkABbo867wdK47X1Qfd_+2rk5buD4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAHqJse1LgC6Vpt8GDK5t4tArPsfNWgut17DMUWq_idfh_9Rkvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ACF0BD-C3DA-4C34-B1B8-56D4C52B5B07@bellsouth.net>
	<CAFja7FY+otL9S+F+9JGcjkABbo867wdK47X1Qfd_+2rk5buD4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6F7085DD-5E97-4F3E-B9AB-1AB9C45F445E@bellsouth.net>

This is been a problem with Facebook it's a problem with voiceover voice over will read anything on my Facebook page except if someone just has a plane status and did not like or share a page it's like it doesn't recognize the status as text

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Mine has done that before.  Have you tried refreshing the page?
> Sometimes either pulling down till the page refreshes, or closing the
> app in the app switcher and going back in will do the trick.  That's
> usually what fixed the problem for me.
> 
> On 9/13/14, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> My newsfeed is showing everything the problem is that voiceover will only
>> read a thing if someone shared a link or commented on something it won't
>> read a plane status I'll tap it and it just won't read it it's kind of
>> strange
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sometimes this happens, so just hit the button that says "New
>>> Stories," after the check in button. That'll pull your newsfeed up in
>>> full in stead of showing you what people have shared. Hope this helps.
>>> :)
>>> 
>>> On 9/13/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover
>>>> will
>>>> read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone
>>>> shared
>>>> a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a
>>>> plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how
>>>> did
>>>> you fix it?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Kaley
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> Audio Producer: Zach Sang and the Gang
>>> http://www.zachsangandthegang.com
>>> On-air Personality: Z108, Mon-Fri (10:00 AM - 2:00 PM)
>>> http://www.z108.net
>>> Hits94, Mon-Fri (3:00-7:00 PM)
>>> http://www.hits94.com
>>> The Pulse USA,
>>> Sat-Sun (11:00 AM - 3:00 PM)
>>> http://www.thepulseusa.com
>>> Cell: 973-842-1600
>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/djdan567
>>> SoundCloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/Danrmusic-1
>>> Twitter: @RadioDJDan
>> 
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti


From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Sep 15 04:17:41 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2014 23:17:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with voiceover
In-Reply-To: <6F7085DD-5E97-4F3E-B9AB-1AB9C45F445E@bellsouth.net>
References: <1410659450.93156.YahooMailNeo@web180904.mail.ne1.yahoo.com>
	<CAHqJse1LgC6Vpt8GDK5t4tArPsfNWgut17DMUWq_idfh_9Rkvw@mail.gmail.com>
	<87ACF0BD-C3DA-4C34-B1B8-56D4C52B5B07@bellsouth.net>
	<CAFja7FY+otL9S+F+9JGcjkABbo867wdK47X1Qfd_+2rk5buD4Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<6F7085DD-5E97-4F3E-B9AB-1AB9C45F445E@bellsouth.net>
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Hello, if you tap on the person's status they are wanting to look at it should open to where you can see the comments and stuff like that. If it does not, and you want further assistance just contact me at the following address and I will see what I can do to help you. Jhud7789 at gmail.com

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:02 PM, "Kaley Jemison via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> This is been a problem with Facebook it's a problem with voiceover voice over will read anything on my Facebook page except if someone just has a plane status and did not like or share a page it's like it doesn't recognize the status as text
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 14, 2014, at 10:56 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Mine has done that before.  Have you tried refreshing the page?
>> Sometimes either pulling down till the page refreshes, or closing the
>> app in the app switcher and going back in will do the trick.  That's
>> usually what fixed the problem for me.
>> 
>>> On 9/13/14, Kaley Jemison via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> My newsfeed is showing everything the problem is that voiceover will only
>>> read a thing if someone shared a link or commented on something it won't
>>> read a plane status I'll tap it and it just won't read it it's kind of
>>> strange
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 13, 2014, at 11:34 PM, Daniel Romero <djdan567 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Sometimes this happens, so just hit the button that says "New
>>>> Stories," after the check in button. That'll pull your newsfeed up in
>>>> full in stead of showing you what people have shared. Hope this helps.
>>>> :)
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/13/14, kcj21 via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> Normally, I can touch anything on my facebook newsfeed and voiceover
>>>>> will
>>>>> read it to me, but recently, voiceover has only read to me if someone
>>>>> shared
>>>>> a link or commented on someone else's status. Voiceover will not read a
>>>>> plain status. Has anyone else encountered this problem and if so, how
>>>>> did
>>>>> you fix it?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Best,
>>>>> Kaley
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Daniel C. Romero
>>>> Host, production director, and producer, The Dan Show Live
>>>> Audio Producer: Zach Sang and the Gang
>>>> http://www.zachsangandthegang.com
>>>> On-air Personality: Z108, Mon-Fri (10:00 AM - 2:00 PM)
>>>> http://www.z108.net
>>>> Hits94, Mon-Fri (3:00-7:00 PM)
>>>> http://www.hits94.com
>>>> The Pulse USA,
>>>> Sat-Sun (11:00 AM - 3:00 PM)
>>>> http://www.thepulseusa.com
>>>> Cell: 973-842-1600
>>>> Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/djdan567
>>>> SoundCloud: http://www.soundcloud.com/Danrmusic-1
>>>> Twitter: @RadioDJDan
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 14:36:32 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:36:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] PowerPoint
Message-ID: <001401cfd0f2$71fb9590$55f2c0b0$@gmail.com>

Does anyone know why the keystrokes to move through slides in PowerPoint
sometimes work and sometimes don't? some times in slide show view, page down
works, sometimes, it is the space bar, and other times down arrow works.
The space bar is reading line by line, when earlier, it was going from slide
to slide.  About on slide 14 out of 47, page down stopped working, and I had
to go to the space bar, then to the arrow keys.  It is impossible to go up a
slide when page up is not working.  You see how confusing this sounds,
except, this is really what is happening. 

I'm having to finagle my way through this presentation.

 

Thanks,

Justin.


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 17:42:26 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 10:42:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
Message-ID: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>

Hi all,

So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are 
their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that 
will teach a blind person sign language?



From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:12:51 2014
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:12:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] row-echelon form
Message-ID: <54172c5c.45b2440a.0872.2058@mx.google.com>

Hi Everyone!,
  Are any of you familiar with row-echelon form? I'm taking trig 
pre-calc, and we just started learning this.  I don't get it at 
all.

Precious


From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:09:39 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:09:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <93A347A5-0E9E-49FF-B7F9-DDF25F20A7BF@gmail.com>

Hi,
If any information comes of this please let me know as well. That is also question I have been wondering but wasn't sure where to go together information on blind people learning sign language. I wanted to take a course at a community college, but felt discouraged because the faculty at the community college wasn't sure how a blind person would learn Sign language. I know there has to be away because Helen Keller was able to do so. I guess they're just has to be a person who has a lot of patients and are willing to teach a blind person.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that will teach a blind person sign language?
> 
> 
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:19:27 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:19:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <67A3C452-070A-4635-8FC2-3BEF6E122556@gmail.com>

Hi Marissa,
 unfortunately as far as I am aware there aren’t resources  one would  listen to.
 
 As far as I can tell,learning sign is very difficult to do  unless you have actual hands-on experience    learning it.
 My friend taught me the little I know and it only would have worked out as well as it had if they were showing me with their hands how they did it.
  If you know of someone who is deaf, deaf-blind or possibly an  interpreter  that would be a good start.
 that’s just my thoughts.   I am sure  someone else might have better insight here.  If it’s something you really want to learn keep  digging until you find the answer.
 Thanks,
  Darian              
 
 
On Sep 15, 2014, at 10:42 AM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that will teach a blind person sign language?
> 
> 
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 18:29:36 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 11:29:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
Message-ID: <54173027.c47e460a.02b7.1abf@mx.google.com>


I=20want=20to=20make=20a=20video=20for=20a=20deaf=20friend=20I=20know,=20bu=
t=20she=20can't=20
show=20me,=20because=20she's=20not=20here=20with=20me.=20=20My=20VI=20aid=20=
knows=20some,=20
but=20we=20don't=20have=20much=20time=20to=20do=20anything.=20=20He's=20onl=
y=20with=20me=20in=20
math=20on=20Wednesdays=20and=20Fridays.=20=20I=20remember=20there=20was=20a=
=20video,=20
and=20they=20would=20tell=20how=20to=20position=20your=20hands,=20but=20I=20=
could=20never=20
find=20it=20again.


my=20friend=20showed=20me=20a=20little=20of=20what=20I=20know.=20=20(most=20=
alphabet,=20and=20
a=20few=20words).
We=20also=20have=20a=20deaf=20girl=20at=20our=20school,=20but=20her=20inter=
preter=20isn't=20
with=20her=20whenever=20I=20see=20her,=20(which=20isn't=20often).


=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Darian=20Smith=20<dsmithnfb at gmail.com
To:=20Marissa=20Tejeda=20<marissat789 at gmail.com>,National=20Association=20
of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Mon,=2015=20Sep=202014=2011:19:27=20-0700
Subject:=20Re:=20[nabs-l]=20Learning=20sign=20language

Hi=20Marissa,
=20unfortunately=20as=20far=20as=20I=20am=20aware=20there=20aren=92t=20reso=
urces=20=20one=20
would=20=20listen=20to.

=20As=20far=20as=20I=20can=20tell,learning=20sign=20is=20very=20difficult=20=
to=20do=20=20
unless=20you=20have=20actual=20hands-on=20experience=20=20=20=20learning=20=
it.
=20My=20friend=20taught=20me=20the=20little=20I=20know=20and=20it=20only=20=
would=20have=20
worked=20out=20as=20well=20as=20it=20had=20if=20they=20were=20showing=20me=
=20with=20their=20
hands=20how=20they=20did=20it.
=20=20If=20you=20know=20of=20someone=20who=20is=20deaf,=20deaf-blind=20or=20=
possibly=20an=20=20
interpreter=20=20that=20would=20be=20a=20good=20start.
=20that=92s=20just=20my=20thoughts.=20=20=20I=20am=20sure=20=20someone=20el=
se=20might=20have=20
better=20insight=20here.=20=20If=20it=92s=20something=20you=20really=20want=
=20to=20learn=20
keep=20=20digging=20until=20you=20find=20the=20answer.
=20Thanks,
=20=20Darian


On=20Sep=2015,=202014,=20at=2010:42=20AM,=20Marissa=20Tejeda=20via=20nabs-l=
=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20wrote:

=20Hi=20all,

=20So,=20this=20may=20sound=20odd,=20but=20I=20want=20to=20learn=20sign=20l=
anguage.=20=20Are=20
their=20any=20good=20resources=20that=20I=20can=20download,=20or=20listen=20=
to,=20that=20
will=20teach=20a=20blind=20person=20sign=20language?


=20_______________________________________________
=20nabs-l=20mailing=20list
=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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ccount=20
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 19:34:56 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 12:34:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
In-Reply-To: <001401cfd061$097ff6a0$1c7fe3e0$@mediacombb.net>
References: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
	<auto-000168363587@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cfd061$097ff6a0$1c7fe3e0$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.150.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good afternoon, Dave, and everyone,

         I'm no parent yet, should I ever become one, I would feel 
like I was gaining more applicable and practical information from my 
peers, not some structured, possibly restrictive entity whom no 
doubt, has their own agenda. Way to go, Loren! I think you did a good 
thing by trying to share your experience with your peers on your OWN!
Car

  At 02:15 PM 9/14/2014, Loren Wakefield via nabs-l wrote:
>I'm sorry Dave if I was out of line for sharing a little with him.
>
>Loren
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
>via nabs-l
>Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 11:44 AM
>To: Preston Gaylor; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
>
>You can probably get better information on this topic from our blind parent
>list,
>
>http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
>
>to join.
>
>Dave
>
>At 07:58 PM 9/13/2014, you wrote:
> >Hello all:
> >So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
> >We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
> >I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home
> >from CCB in 2 weeks!
> >I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to
> >care for a baby when you're blind.
> >Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
> >Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
> >Take care,
> >Preston
>
>          David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
>E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
>
>
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From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 19:41:27 2014
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 01:11:27 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] row-echelon form
In-Reply-To: <54172c5c.45b2440a.0872.2058@mx.google.com>
References: <54172c5c.45b2440a.0872.2058@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACQLpmdi-dXwvjBx1=jDip7Ju+VO3zQ1Qri=yDMzAOZnBnb+GQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Yes, I'm familiar with it. Do you have any specific questions? Also,
Khan Academy has some great videos on the topic.

Best,

On 9/15/14, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Everyone!,
>   Are any of you familiar with row-echelon form? I'm taking trig
> pre-calc, and we just started learning this.  I don't get it at
> all.
>
> Precious
>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 19:54:06 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:54:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <011f01cfd11e$cf213dc0$6d63b940$@gmail.com>

Hi Marissa, 
 This interests me too as we have three deaf people at the residential place
I live in. 
 One of the case managers here was a sign language  interpreter and we were
going to do this thing where I taught him  braille and he taught me  sign.
He had such a busy schedule of course that I taught him about three letters
of braille and he  taught me how to spell my name, (but no other letters)
and the "I/L/u" sign for goodbye. 
 He left to help deaf people in schools. They have a new caseworker to work
with the deaf people but haven't thought to ask her yet. She seems like
she'sstressed with what she has going on. But you never know. 
 I did find that if Andy, the first  case manager took my hand and formed
the sign and I practiced it and he watched me do it I could make the signs
pretty quickly. 
 So I think someone hands on teaching it is important but I don't think it's
impossible. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Marissa Tejeda
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:42 PM
To: Nabsl
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language

Hi all,

So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are their any
good resources that I can download, or listen to, that will teach a blind
person sign language?


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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep 15 20:16:48 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:16:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <93A347A5-0E9E-49FF-B7F9-DDF25F20A7BF@gmail.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
	<93A347A5-0E9E-49FF-B7F9-DDF25F20A7BF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.151.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good afternoon, Gloria,

         Is it really all that different from any other skill, 
someone seeks to impart to blinks? i mean, everything takes a certain 
amount of patience, right?? I think, the best way to go is put like 
an add on some deaf listserv I'm sure you could GOOGLE, and get a 
real deaf person to try helping? I have no idea but know I have 
always been pretty intrigued, muyself  by sign language, probably due 
to its tactile nature. myself. If said deaf person couldn't himself 
teach you, he might have some pointers on a most effective way to 
impart this content to you?What do ya say?
Car

11:09 AM 9/15/2014, Gloria Graves via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi,
>If any information comes of this please let me know as well. That is 
>also question I have been wondering but wasn't sure where to go 
>together information on blind people learning sign language. I 
>wanted to take a course at a community college, but felt discouraged 
>because the faculty at the community college wasn't sure how a blind 
>person would learn Sign language. I know there has to be away 
>because Helen Keller was able to do so. I guess they're just has to 
>be a person who has a lot of patients and are willing to teach a blind person.
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are 
> their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that 
> will teach a blind person sign language?
> >
> >
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 20:41:20 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:41:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
Message-ID: <54174f07.8409460a.5939.2e74@mx.google.com>


I know how to say a little bit.  I think I can say, "Hi, my name 
is Marissa."
and, "I love you."
"Thank you."
"Sorry."
and most of the alphabet.  My deaf friend said: "That's pretty 
good, seing as how you wouldn't really use it all that much."



 ----- Original Message -----
From: Carly Mihalakis <carlymih at comcast.net
To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>,Marissa Tejeda 
<marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students 
mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 13:16:48 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning sign language

Good afternoon, Gloria,

         Is it really all that different from any other skill,
someone seeks to impart to blinks? i mean, everything takes a 
certain
amount of patience, right?? I think, the best way to go is put 
like
an add on some deaf listserv I'm sure you could GOOGLE, and get a
real deaf person to try helping? I have no idea but know I have
always been pretty intrigued, muyself  by sign language, probably 
due
to its tactile nature.  myself.  If said deaf person couldn't 
himself
teach you, he might have some pointers on a most effective way to
impart this content to you?What do ya say?
Car

11:09 AM 9/15/2014, Gloria Graves via nabs-l wrote:
Hi,
If any information comes of this please let me know as well.  
That is
also question I have been wondering but wasn't sure where to go
together information on blind people learning sign language.  I
wanted to take a course at a community college, but felt 
discouraged
because the faculty at the community college wasn't sure how a 
blind
person would learn Sign language.  I know there has to be away
because Helen Keller was able to do so.  I guess they're just has 
to
be a person who has a lot of patients and are willing to teach a 
blind person.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l
 <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are
 their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that
 will teach a blind person sign language?


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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 21:07:50 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:07:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] the Louisiana Association of Blind Students presents: 2014
	student seminar!
Message-ID: <54175548.142f8c0a.496a.ffff826d@mx.google.com>

NABS List Members,

Louisiana Association of Blind Students (LABS) presents its 
student seminar: Scaring the Helplessness out of Misconceptions, 
from Friday, October 24-Sunday, October 26, 2014 at the Louisiana 
Center for the Blind in Ruston.

Are you a blind high school or college student in or near 
Louisiana?
Do you have concerns or questions about dealing with high school 
or college as a blind student?
Would you like to meet other blind high school or college 
students?
Is your goal as a blind student to live the life you want?
If you answered yes to these questions, this conference is for 
you. To register, complete the attached form and submit to LABS 
President Treva Olivero by e-mailing the form to treva at olivero.us 
or mailing the form to the Louisiana Center for the Blind at 101 
South Trenton Street, Ruston, LA, 71270. Please call Treva at 
765-277-0853 with any questions.

2014 LABS Student Seminar Registration.doc
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5954260/2014%20LABS%20Student
%20Seminar%20Registration.doc

 2014 LABS Conference Agenda--Final.docx
 
https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/5954260/2014%20LABS%20Confere
nce%20Agenda--Final.docx


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 21:20:53 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 14:20:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] E Textbooks
Message-ID: <CACUFQdwnyhLvVcuM_wXyqy4bM-ixsYeO9XghuO1sRDf05T-hVw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am beginning grad school after 3 years of not being in school, and e
books have exploded since then.

I have heard of Course Smart and already perused it. It does not have
most of my books, but if I use Course Smart, what type of files do you
get and with what program do you use to read them?

What are other options for purchasing accessible e books?

Cindy

-- 
Cindy Bennett
Graduate Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From loneblindjedi at samobile.net  Mon Sep 15 23:47:27 2014
From: loneblindjedi at samobile.net (Jedi Moerke)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:47:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6F5C7FA7-9E71-45F4-AA96-287B6CF9AFBA@samobile.net>

There is a fantastic book through the National Library Service called The Joy of Signing. It's an older book, but it describes the signs exceptionally well. Not a bad idea to use this resource in conjunction with a tutor. I know for certain this book is in hardcopy braille. I wouldn't be surprised if it has an electronic counterpart and an audio counterpart. Once you understand the basic grammar of American sign language, the vocabulary is somewhat straightforward.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that will teach a blind person sign language?
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 15 23:49:44 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 16:49:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Small Braille Embossers
Message-ID: <CACUFQdw0dgV-GtD1JmVhzUaVMzvj6OMkbLgLVCJjp6op=57PZA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

More questions for school. :)

I am looking at small embossers but have never had one before. What
smallish embossers do you guys use? I just need basic embossing
capabilities, and of course a machine that is reliable and easy to use
is a plus.

Looking forward to ideas to check out,

-- 
Cindy Bennett
Graduate Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 00:50:11 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 17:50:11 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
Message-ID: <5417895a.8b2c460a.0d3e.3e62@mx.google.com>


I tried to look in the BARD nls catalog, and couldn't find it.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jedi Moerke <loneblindjedi at samobile.net
To: Marissa Tejeda <marissat789 at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 18:47:27 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Learning sign language

There is a fantastic book through the National Library Service 
called The Joy of Signing.  It's an older book, but it describes 
the signs exceptionally well.  Not a bad idea to use this 
resource in conjunction with a tutor.  I know for certain this 
book is in hardcopy braille.  I wouldn't be surprised if it has 
an electronic counterpart and an audio counterpart.  Once you 
understand the basic grammar of American sign language, the 
vocabulary is somewhat straightforward.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 15, 2014, at 12:42 PM, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are 
their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that 
will teach a blind person sign language?


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From anjelinac at att.net  Tue Sep 16 01:19:09 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Mon, 15 Sep 2014 21:19:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Small Braille Embossers
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdw0dgV-GtD1JmVhzUaVMzvj6OMkbLgLVCJjp6op=57PZA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdw0dgV-GtD1JmVhzUaVMzvj6OMkbLgLVCJjp6op=57PZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27436A70-2CE6-4C5C-B133-8DA4278ED3E2@att.net>

The Romeo line of embossers has a small braille embosser. I think it is called the attaché.
Anjelina


Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 15, 2014, at 7:49 PM, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> More questions for school. :)
> 
> I am looking at small embossers but have never had one before. What
> smallish embossers do you guys use? I just need basic embossing
> capabilities, and of course a machine that is reliable and easy to use
> is a plus.
> 
> Looking forward to ideas to check out,
> 
> -- 
> Cindy Bennett
> Graduate Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
> 
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
> 
> clb5590 at gmail.com
> 
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From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 06:45:10 2014
From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:15:10 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
Message-ID: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>

hi all!
I am sorry if I am posting my request in the wrong mailing list but,
if u people can throw some light on it, it will be great!
The purpose of this mail is, I would be getting about 15 days of
holidays in the month of November & I am doing my 1st year under grad
program in India from, St Joseph college. So, in order to make use of
this 15 days in productive way, could u people please suggest me
something where I could learn from prominent universities like,
Harvard, Standford and, others!
Please do let me know that, being blind and, also from India, how
could I do so...
However, there is no problem for paying the fee for this but, I would
want to use my time in a productive manner.
Also, in the domain of Economics if u people could suggest me, it will
be very great though...

Thanking in advance

-- 
in regards
Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy


From sawhney.kartik at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 09:32:47 2014
From: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com (Kartik Sawhney)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:02:47 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACQLpme0HLUv9_gcUhxD5P9f0niPXMozcsLbvt8BbvNLSF4KTQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Shreyas,

You can browse videos and/or courses at MIT Open Courseware, edX,
Coursera and Khan Academy. Many of these are free.

Best,

On 9/16/14, Shreyas N Reddy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> hi all!
> I am sorry if I am posting my request in the wrong mailing list but,
> if u people can throw some light on it, it will be great!
> The purpose of this mail is, I would be getting about 15 days of
> holidays in the month of November & I am doing my 1st year under grad
> program in India from, St Joseph college. So, in order to make use of
> this 15 days in productive way, could u people please suggest me
> something where I could learn from prominent universities like,
> Harvard, Standford and, others!
> Please do let me know that, being blind and, also from India, how
> could I do so...
> However, there is no problem for paying the fee for this but, I would
> want to use my time in a productive manner.
> Also, in the domain of Economics if u people could suggest me, it will
> be very great though...
>
> Thanking in advance
>
> --
> in regards
> Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>


-- 
-Kartik Sawhney,
Cell: +1-(650) 492-3220 (US), +91-9958499435 (India)
E-mail ID: sawhney.kartik at gmail.com, kartiks2 at stanford.edu
LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/pub/kartik-sawhney/15/b47/862/


From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Sep 16 12:23:59 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 05:23:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.152.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Shreyas,

         Don't have any suggestions but I wanna wish you luck in 
serving blind people! Hope you find some other answers.
CarAt 11:45 PM 9/15/2014, Shreyas N Reddy via nabs-l wrote:
>hi all!
>I am sorry if I am posting my request in the wrong mailing list but,
>if u people can throw some light on it, it will be great!
>The purpose of this mail is, I would be getting about 15 days of
>holidays in the month of November & I am doing my 1st year under grad
>program in India from, St Joseph college. So, in order to make use of
>this 15 days in productive way, could u people please suggest me
>something where I could learn from prominent universities like,
>Harvard, Standford and, others!
>Please do let me know that, being blind and, also from India, how
>could I do so...
>However, there is no problem for paying the fee for this but, I would
>want to use my time in a productive manner.
>Also, in the domain of Economics if u people could suggest me, it will
>be very great though...
>
>Thanking in advance
>
>--
>in regards
>Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy
>
>_______________________________________________
>nabs-l mailing list
>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 16:51:11 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 22:21:11 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BF9F0C8E-0241-48BD-AD50-F224CC8F1C4E@gmail.com>

Hi Shreyas,

There are many extracurricular activities that are conducted by Ivy League institutes that you can participate in. Harvard has a programme on Asian and international relations called HPAIR which you might find interesting. The resources that Kartik alluded  to are also great tools for expanding your wealth of knowledge.
You can also think about attending the summer courses that these universities offer.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2014, at 12:15 PM, Shreyas N Reddy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi all!
> I am sorry if I am posting my request in the wrong mailing list but,
> if u people can throw some light on it, it will be great!
> The purpose of this mail is, I would be getting about 15 days of
> holidays in the month of November & I am doing my 1st year under grad
> program in India from, St Joseph college. So, in order to make use of
> this 15 days in productive way, could u people please suggest me
> something where I could learn from prominent universities like,
> Harvard, Standford and, others!
> Please do let me know that, being blind and, also from India, how
> could I do so...
> However, there is no problem for paying the fee for this but, I would
> want to use my time in a productive manner.
> Also, in the domain of Economics if u people could suggest me, it will
> be very great though...
> 
> Thanking in advance
> 
> -- 
> in regards
> Shreyas Nagaraj Reddy
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/rahul.bajaj1038%40gmail.com


From n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:35:43 2014
From: n.shreyas.reddy at gmail.com (Shreyas N Reddy)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 23:05:43 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CACQLpme0HLUv9_gcUhxD5P9f0niPXMozcsLbvt8BbvNLSF4KTQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACQLpme0HLUv9_gcUhxD5P9f0niPXMozcsLbvt8BbvNLSF4KTQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALcH6o2eG2heRHchYoMC4y+7W7G6PT1JmzX=WY_A_s-+kG+X8A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all, thank u all for your valuable input and a special thank u to
Kartik, Rahul & Carly Mihalakis
If anyone still interested to give their precious input, they are
welcome to do so...
Well, I was looking for some training in US as, I would be coming
their for about 15 days. so, still, if there are any courses that u
people can think that will suit me, like something in economics,
please do let me know!


From trillian551 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 17:37:34 2014
From: trillian551 at gmail.com (Mary Fernandez)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 13:37:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
Message-ID: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>

All,
As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
on Teach for the Boston Globe.
Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
can be found here:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).

To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
it is highly uneducated rubbish.
So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
 And start commenting right away!
This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!

-- 
Mary Fernandez
"I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
feel."
--
Maya Angelou


From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Sep 16 20:28:18 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 15:28:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Small Braille Embossers
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdw0dgV-GtD1JmVhzUaVMzvj6OMkbLgLVCJjp6op=57PZA@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <CACUFQdw0dgV-GtD1JmVhzUaVMzvj6OMkbLgLVCJjp6op=57PZA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000168633852@mailfront3.g2host.com>

I would look at the Index Basic D.  For a personal printer it is 
relatively fast, relatively quiet, and not exceedingly expensive.

Dave

At 06:49 PM 9/15/2014, you wrote:
>Hi All,
>
>More questions for school. :)
>
>I am looking at small embossers but have never had one before. What
>smallish embossers do you guys use? I just need basic embossing
>capabilities, and of course a machine that is reliable and easy to use
>is a plus.
>
>Looking forward to ideas to check out,
>
>--
>Cindy Bennett
>Graduate Student, University of Washington
>Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
>Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
>Federation of the Blind of Washington
>Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
>clb5590 at gmail.com



From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Sep 16 20:29:41 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:29:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0992773A-7970-4F91-895B-FD7A3E0DC422@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Only members of the Boston Globe can comment on the Boston Globe story. 

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
> act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
> out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
> their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
> could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
> Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
> on Teach for the Boston Globe.
> Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
> prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
> There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
> can be found here:
> http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
> The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
> https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).
> 
> To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
> oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
> current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
> universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
> it is highly uneducated rubbish.
> So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
> talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
> on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
> about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
> I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
> Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
> And start commenting right away!
> This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
> comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Sep 16 20:32:42 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:32:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <CALcH6o2eG2heRHchYoMC4y+7W7G6PT1JmzX=WY_A_s-+kG+X8A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALcH6o0n3dZVfZKAXj16H+3D2Qf8CQngEswOfY8cUKpGEL0NeQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACQLpme0HLUv9_gcUhxD5P9f0niPXMozcsLbvt8BbvNLSF4KTQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALcH6o2eG2heRHchYoMC4y+7W7G6PT1JmzX=WY_A_s-+kG+X8A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4CE34D4C-F978-4463-9D2D-01D01CD231F8@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

There's aren't really any 2 week courses in the middle of the semester at most/any universities here in the U.S.  Occasionally there are summer courses or winter courses that are that long but none in November that I'm aware of. 

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:35 PM, Shreyas N Reddy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey all, thank u all for your valuable input and a special thank u to
> Kartik, Rahul & Carly Mihalakis
> If anyone still interested to give their precious input, they are
> welcome to do so...
> Well, I was looking for some training in US as, I would be coming
> their for about 15 days. so, still, if there are any courses that u
> people can think that will suit me, like something in economics,
> please do let me know!
> 
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 21:53:48 2014
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 14:53:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB of California  State convention
Message-ID: <33A94883-2C43-40F7-8D30-EAA46B6C3F1C@gmail.com>

Hi all,
 I was curious if there are any folks on this list that are planning to go to the NFB of California  convention. 
If you are thinking about it and want to know more, I am happy to answer questions.
 If you are going I would love to meet up with you.
   shoot me a note off-line at dsmithnfb at gmail.com 
  Thanks,
  Darian  

From amber.r.kraft at gmail.com  Tue Sep 16 21:58:03 2014
From: amber.r.kraft at gmail.com (Amber Kraft)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:58:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
In-Reply-To: <0992773A-7970-4F91-895B-FD7A3E0DC422@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>
	<0992773A-7970-4F91-895B-FD7A3E0DC422@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <CAHZN=B84-rviJOWpk+CcwOe-WxcFMbzmwtdpjOXVXkc5TknoaA@mail.gmail.com>

It has been great so far. We have ran in to a few different things
that did not work quite right but my instructors have been very good
about finding other ways to make things accessible for me and have
been really willing to work with me as well as great about asking me
questions about how to make things accessible. At first I was not so
quite sure they were going to be so willing to make things accessible
but they have been a lot better then I was expecting at first and I am
glad I chose to give them a try. So far they have got all the math
books I have needed in braille for me and all other books they have
got as a PDF for me witch has been working out good. When they want to
try a new format for getting me a book they have been putting the
first few pages together and sending it to me asking if it is
accessible or not.



On 9/16/14, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Only members of the Boston Globe can comment on the Boston Globe story.
>
> Best
> Derek Manners
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 16, 2014, at 1:37 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> All,
>> As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
>> act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
>> out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
>> their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
>> could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
>> Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
>> on Teach for the Boston Globe.
>> Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
>> prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
>> There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
>> can be found here:
>> http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
>> The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
>> https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).
>>
>> To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
>> oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
>> current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
>> universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
>> it is highly uneducated rubbish.
>> So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
>> talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
>> on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
>> about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
>> I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
>> Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
>> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
>> And start commenting right away!
>> This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
>> comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!
>>
>> --
>> Mary Fernandez
>> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
>> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
>> feel."
>> --
>> Maya Angelou
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dmanners%40jd16.law.harvard.edu
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Thanks
Amber Kraft
"You tell me I can't, I will show you I can."


From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 17 04:56:51 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 00:56:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
In-Reply-To: <001401cfd061$097ff6a0$1c7fe3e0$@mediacombb.net>
References: <BLU406-EAS37AC03795C2B071C571B80CBCB0@phx.gbl>
	<auto-000168363587@mailfront3.g2host.com>
	<001401cfd061$097ff6a0$1c7fe3e0$@mediacombb.net>
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS18155044F7BA71AD2D1C1ECDCB60@phx.gbl>

I would speculate that, it is possible that, the general question about infant care originates from the general societal problem facing the blind.  Someone, an uninformed  professional, told this individual that they would not be able to do this. Have a good evening.


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 14, 2014, at 5:16 PM, "Loren Wakefield via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry Dave if I was out of line for sharing a little with him.  
> 
> Loren 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of David Andrews
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2014 11:44 AM
> To: Preston Gaylor; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] How Do Blind People Care for Babies?
> 
> You can probably get better information on this topic from our blind parent
> list,
> 
> http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/blparent_nfbnet.org
> 
> to join.
> 
> Dave
> 
> At 07:58 PM 9/13/2014, you wrote:
>> Hello all:
>> So my Mom now has a new baby boy as of August 4th.
>> We named him Timmy Jr., right after my Mom's boyfriend!
>> I'm really looking forward to finally get to see him when I come home 
>> from CCB in 2 weeks!
>> I was wondering if any of you on this list have any ideas on how to 
>> care for a baby when you're blind.
>> Do you help other family members, or are there ways?
>> Thanks, and I hope to hear from you all very soon!
>> Take care,
>> Preston
> 
>         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
> E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org
> 
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 17:43:31 2014
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 13:43:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voiceplay From NBC's The Sing OFf Appears On A
 Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+wgs92nKpOD2MQupesE7QTahT==JjsGkx=aX+N1jO+4PQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All!
>From the time A Cappellas Anonymous has launched, several interviews
have been done with various a cappella groups on the college level,
all of which were fun to do and quite informative.
Tonight, we'll be meeting an all-male a cappella group that has
performed on NBC's The Sing Off, opened for 98 Degrees and more.
I'm talking about the group Voiceplay
http://www.thevoiceplay.com
and you'll have a chance to meet two of their members during tonight's
A Cappellas Anonymous show.
I had a chance to speak with them for a few minutes yesterday, and
tonight, among other things, you'll learn how they formed as a group,
how the Sing Off helped them, and more, with some of their tracks
sprinkled in throughout the presentation.
All this, plus hear some new Homefree music and more....
The fun starts at 7 PM eastern, with the interview taking place at 8 PM eastern.

During the show, you can tweet me at
crazyyetfun2014
Skype me at
daviddunphyradio
or
call me at
516 945 9165
And to tune in, visit
http://the-bell.net/listen
between 7 and 10PM eastern to hear some great a cappella music and
tonight's interview!
Hope to see you all there!
>From David Dunphy


From tyler at tysdomain.com  Wed Sep 17 18:08:58 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 14:08:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voiceplay From NBC's The Sing OFf Appears On A
 Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <CAMjrC+wgs92nKpOD2MQupesE7QTahT==JjsGkx=aX+N1jO+4PQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wgs92nKpOD2MQupesE7QTahT==JjsGkx=aX+N1jO+4PQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5419CE3A.7070407@tysdomain.com>

Does this radio show at all pertain to students? Why are we constantly 
being spammed with it? If it's not an add for the show, it's a 
heart-wrenching message that the show is dying for the 9th time and then 
another a week later about the revival.
On 9/17/2014 1:43 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi All!
>  From the time A Cappellas Anonymous has launched, several interviews
> have been done with various a cappella groups on the college level,
> all of which were fun to do and quite informative.
> Tonight, we'll be meeting an all-male a cappella group that has
> performed on NBC's The Sing Off, opened for 98 Degrees and more.
> I'm talking about the group Voiceplay
> http://www.thevoiceplay.com
> and you'll have a chance to meet two of their members during tonight's
> A Cappellas Anonymous show.
> I had a chance to speak with them for a few minutes yesterday, and
> tonight, among other things, you'll learn how they formed as a group,
> how the Sing Off helped them, and more, with some of their tracks
> sprinkled in throughout the presentation.
> All this, plus hear some new Homefree music and more....
> The fun starts at 7 PM eastern, with the interview taking place at 8 PM eastern.
>
> During the show, you can tweet me at
> crazyyetfun2014
> Skype me at
> daviddunphyradio
> or
> call me at
> 516 945 9165
> And to tune in, visit
> http://the-bell.net/listen
> between 7 and 10PM eastern to hear some great a cappella music and
> tonight's interview!
> Hope to see you all there!
>  From David Dunphy
>
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-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From carlymih at comcast.net  Wed Sep 17 18:25:59 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 11:25:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] HOW TO IDENTIFY A BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT  PERCEPTION
In-Reply-To: <361A7231-7012-487D-AED5-2300C7C02627@gmail.com>
References: <361A7231-7012-487D-AED5-2300C7C02627@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.153.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Mabelin,

         That way of determining somebody's ocular perception works, 
admittedly, yet, can't one just ask the person? At 06:06 AM 9/7/2014, 
Mabelin Paez via nabs-l wrote:
>HELLO ALL, I'M JUST POSTING TO ANSWER SOMEONE'S QUESTION ON HOW TO 
>IDENTIFY A TOTALLY BLIND PERSON WITH LIGHT PERCEPTION.
>The way you'd do that is by shining a light near their eyes and 
>asking if they can see the light. This can be identified when the 
>blind person is at a doctor's appointment, eye doctor to be exact.
>I hope that this answers your question.
>
>
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 18:34:06 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 12:34:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Voiceplay From NBC's The Sing OFf Appears On A
	Cappellas Anonymous Tonight
In-Reply-To: <5419CE3A.7070407@tysdomain.com>
References: <CAMjrC+wgs92nKpOD2MQupesE7QTahT==JjsGkx=aX+N1jO+4PQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<5419CE3A.7070407@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <3C0BAD83-2A24-4B0B-ABD7-6372D574E22B@gmail.com>

Dude… aren't you always reminding us there's a delete button for Messages we don't like? :-)

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 17, 2014, at 12:08 PM, "Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Does this radio show at all pertain to students? Why are we constantly being spammed with it? If it's not an add for the show, it's a heart-wrenching message that the show is dying for the 9th time and then another a week later about the revival.
>> On 9/17/2014 1:43 PM, David Dunphy via nabs-l wrote:
>> Hi All!
>> From the time A Cappellas Anonymous has launched, several interviews
>> have been done with various a cappella groups on the college level,
>> all of which were fun to do and quite informative.
>> Tonight, we'll be meeting an all-male a cappella group that has
>> performed on NBC's The Sing Off, opened for 98 Degrees and more.
>> I'm talking about the group Voiceplay
>> http://www.thevoiceplay.com
>> and you'll have a chance to meet two of their members during tonight's
>> A Cappellas Anonymous show.
>> I had a chance to speak with them for a few minutes yesterday, and
>> tonight, among other things, you'll learn how they formed as a group,
>> how the Sing Off helped them, and more, with some of their tracks
>> sprinkled in throughout the presentation.
>> All this, plus hear some new Homefree music and more....
>> The fun starts at 7 PM eastern, with the interview taking place at 8 PM eastern.
>> 
>> During the show, you can tweet me at
>> crazyyetfun2014
>> Skype me at
>> daviddunphyradio
>> or
>> call me at
>> 516 945 9165
>> And to tune in, visit
>> http://the-bell.net/listen
>> between 7 and 10PM eastern to hear some great a cappella music and
>> tonight's interview!
>> Hope to see you all there!
>> From David Dunphy
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/tyler%40tysdomain.com
> 
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 20:15:26 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:15:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] gmail chat
Message-ID: <002e01cfd2b4$1f008df0$5d01a9d0$@gmail.com>

Is gmail chat accessible; if so, how does it work?


From marissat789 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 22:28:33 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 15:28:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] gmail chat
Message-ID: <541a0b2c.0286440a.3bfb.45cb@mx.google.com>


It is.  If you have a braille note, I can help you.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'Blind Talk Mailing List'" <blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 16:15:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] gmail chat

Is gmail chat accessible; if so, how does it work?

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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 17 22:55:51 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Wed, 17 Sep 2014 17:55:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Issue with gmail
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8WUEwgsr6KsjnGr4riGBA7qF28+4LdZMqGV23x979WzYA@mail.gmail.com>

Good evening everyone,
For the past few months I have been having an issue with Gmail.
Occasionally when I am drafting an email, write what I want in the
message field and send it, I receive replies from the recipients
saying that nothing was said in the message field. I have even gone
into my sent folder and noticed nothing is in the message portion,
even if I have drafted a long email.

I am using the latest version of jaws and this problem has happened on
my laptop and my desktop. I typically use Internet explorer but have
ran across this problem with Firefox as well.

If someone has ran into the same problem and can assist me, that would
be most appreciated.

Thanks

Jonathan

-- 
Jonathan Franks
Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

Hook the Cure Board Member
Social Media Manager
The University of Texas at Austin
www.texashookthecure.weebly.co

Diabetes Action Network (NFB)
National Board Member
https://nfb.org/diabetics


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Wed Sep 17 01:59:45 2014
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 21:59:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Teach Act Update: ACE breaks the silence
In-Reply-To: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CADit0-sZ-cx0-kseNkoNXvwg4VLX36mB5EXo6d3abFR4d8fRSA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9DAC27E5-F586-432B-834B-6D623628B600@aol.com>

What is the next step? What can we do as students right now. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 16, 26 Heisei, at 1:37 PM, Mary Fernandez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> All,
> As all of you are aware, we have kicked up our campaign for the teach
> act, in hopes of educating Congress, as members will soon be headed
> out of Washington. The American Councel on Education, ACE, voiced
> their opposition to the teach Act, though the reasons cited, if they
> could be called that, were dubious at best. As a response, we set on a
> Twitter campaign last week, and Kyle Shachmut wrote an excellent Op-Ed
> on Teach for the Boston Globe.
> Today, ACE has finally broken their silence in response to our
> prodding for answers as to why they oppose Teach.
> There are two pieces, the shorter, and the response to Kyle's op-ed
> can be found here:
> http://www.bostonglobe.com/opinion/2014/09/15/podiumace/515BAeYZeCDmw38dQ21QBM/story.html)
> The second, and longer of the two, published on Inside Higher Ed is here:
> https://www.insidehighered.com/views/2014/09/16/essay-criticizing-teach-act).
> 
> To summarize, they claim that Teach will subject universities to the
> oversight of a "obscure federal agency", that teach will "overturn
> current Federal law" and that Teach will hurt studetns and
> universities by preventing the use of innovative technologies. All of
> it is highly uneducated rubbish.
> So, what should we do? I think we've proved that we can get people
> talking if we engage in social media dialogues,  so go ahead and click
> on these two links, and make comments on the articles. How do you feel
> about Teach? Why is it important? Why is ACE wrong?
> I caution you to be polite and to know your facts.
> Check our President Riccobono's blog on teach at:
> https://nfb.org/blog/vonb-blog/unachievable-or-unwanted-why-ace-opposed-accessibility-guidelines
> And start commenting right away!
> This is news, so time is of the essence, lets create a barrage of
> comments on the Globe and Inside Higher Ed. Ready? Set? Teach!
> 
> -- 
> Mary Fernandez
> "I've learned that people will forget what you said, people will
> forget what you did, but people will never forget how you made them
> feel."
> --
> Maya Angelou
> 
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From tyler at tysdomain.com  Thu Sep 18 19:13:00 2014
From: tyler at tysdomain.com (Littlefield, Tyler)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:13:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille program
Message-ID: <541B2EBC.8020809@tysdomain.com>

Hello all:
I don't have a note taker and a lot of my books this semester are going 
to be in BRF format.
Is there anything good for reading these? I can read with a braille 
display, but actually doing a find/etc will be hard.
Thanks,

-- 
Take care,
Ty
http://tds-solutions.net
He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.



From programmer651 at comcast.net  Thu Sep 18 19:19:28 2014
From: programmer651 at comcast.net (Tyler)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:19:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille program
Message-ID: <20140918191917.30249.25191.levelstar.mail@everest>

I can convert any brf you may have into txt, but if you'd rather use brf, I believe 
braille2000.com has, or at least had, a program that reads these.
Tyler Z
On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:13:00 -0400, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:


>Hello all:
>I don't have a note taker and a lot of my books this semester are going 
>to be in BRF format.
>Is there anything good for reading these? I can read with a braille 
>display, but actually doing a find/etc will be hard.
>Thanks,
>
>-- 
>Take care,
>Ty
>http://tds-solutions.net
>He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that 
>dares not reason is a slave.
>
>
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 19:58:17 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 13:58:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] braille program
In-Reply-To: <20140918191917.30249.25191.levelstar.mail@everest>
References: <20140918191917.30249.25191.levelstar.mail@everest>
Message-ID: <B9CD96C0-FB2C-4505-8B05-908011C89F77@gmail.com>

I wonder if you could use a translator like Duxberry or something?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:19 PM, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I can convert any brf you may have into txt, but if you'd rather use brf, I believe 
> braille2000.com has, or at least had, a program that reads these.
> Tyler Z
> On Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:13:00 -0400, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hello all:
>> I don't have a note taker and a lot of my books this semester are going 
>> to be in BRF format.
>> Is there anything good for reading these? I can read with a braille 
>> display, but actually doing a find/etc will be hard.
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> -- 
>> Take care,
>> Ty
>> http://tds-solutions.net
>> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that 
>> dares not reason is a slave.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From anjelinac at att.net  Thu Sep 18 20:47:59 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 16:47:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] braille program
In-Reply-To: <541B2EBC.8020809@tysdomain.com>
References: <541B2EBC.8020809@tysdomain.com>
Message-ID: <03E9874D-B72D-41B1-BB15-F2D828B616AB@att.net>

Do you have access to Kurzweil? It can convert Brf files.

Anjelina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 18, 2014, at 3:13 PM, Littlefield, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all:
> I don't have a note taker and a lot of my books this semester are going to be in BRF format.
> Is there anything good for reading these? I can read with a braille display, but actually doing a find/etc will be hard.
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Take care,
> Ty
> http://tds-solutions.net
> He that will not reason is a bigot; he that cannot reason is a fool; he that dares not reason is a slave.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 18 22:46:26 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:46:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
Message-ID: <541b60dd.c4a1420a.3246.0623@mx.google.com>

Hi,

Does anyone know if NLS has the Circle of Fifths in the shape of 
a circle? My band teacher said he has a circle of fifths, and he 
also has a transposition sheet, hanging side by side.  Something 
like that, anyway.  Does anyone know what NLS has? I want to be 
able to easily find the key of a song, and find the amount of 
sharps and/or flats in the song.


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 03:03:43 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:03:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
In-Reply-To: <541b60dd.c4a1420a.3246.0623@mx.google.com>
References: <541b60dd.c4a1420a.3246.0623@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYTkozePcbYccuUXV49aRKGEAxrfUEzeyJ8avDqfqurRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

My suggestion is to just learn it.  While a graph might be helpful, it
is not necessary in order for you to learn the concepts, and if you
just memorize the concepts you'll have a better theoretical
understanding anyway than a sighted kid in your class who just looks
at the chart all the time.

Just like with the lines on a staff (Every good boy does fine for
treble, good boys do fine always for bass), there are little phrases
you can use to help you remember the order of sharps and flats going
around the circle of fifths.  The ones I learned were Cats Got Drunk
At Erny's Bar, and Beatles Eat and Drink Good crispy food.  Another
one that is good for flipping around both ways is Father Charles Goes
Down and Ends Battle, Battle Ends and down goes Charles's father.

If you know C major is at 12 O'clock, and the circle goes around by
fifths, then just go up a fifth to G, D, A, E, B, F-sharp, etc.

Hope this helps.

On 9/18/14, Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if NLS has the Circle of Fifths in the shape of
> a circle? My band teacher said he has a circle of fifths, and he
> also has a transposition sheet, hanging side by side.  Something
> like that, anyway.  Does anyone know what NLS has? I want to be
> able to easily find the key of a song, and find the amount of
> sharps and/or flats in the song.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 03:06:45 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:06:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
Message-ID: <541b9dd9.868d320a.02d4.24ea@mx.google.com>

Hi Marissa,

If you're at all serious about music you should memorize this!  
Starting in the key of C the keys go up in fifths, so G, D, A, E, 
B, F sharp, C sharp.  For every key after C you sharp the leading 
tone, so the sharps are F, C, G, D, A, E, B.  When you're doing 
flats you go the other way from C, so F, B flat, E flat, A flat, 
D flat, G flat, C flat.  After the key of C you flat the note a 
fifth below the tonic (the note the scale starts on), so your 
flats are B, E, A, D, G, C, F.  Repeat the lists of flats and 
sharps to yourself till you have them memorized.  That way, when 
you see music in say four flats you know it's the key of A flat 
(or F minor) and that the flats are b, e, a, d.  The list of 
flats is cool because the first four spell "bead".  Also, the 
other thing that can help you remember it is that the sharps are 
the flats spelled backwards and vice versa.  Another way to help 
memorize this is to go around the circle of fiths when you 
practice scales.  Start somewhere and go up or down a few keys 
when you warm up.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:46:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music

Hi,

Does anyone know if NLS has the Circle of Fifths in the shape of
a circle? My band teacher said he has a circle of fifths, and he
also has a transposition sheet, hanging side by side.  Something
like that, anyway.  Does anyone know what NLS has? I want to be
able to easily find the key of a song, and find the amount of
sharps and/or flats in the song.

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 03:39:39 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:39:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
In-Reply-To: <541b9dd9.868d320a.02d4.24ea@mx.google.com>
References: <541b9dd9.868d320a.02d4.24ea@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fa+hj58rOiJFTgQRxb-2sd4PLdBoQr4KNK7qz27KUCy_w@mail.gmail.com>

Great minds think alike, I guess.  Lol.

Also, to correct an error I saw in my post (I was geeking out about
theory stuff and was thinking faster than I could type), the acronym
for the sharps in order is **five** cats got drunk at Erny's bar.

Also, here's another idea.  Sit down at a piano and play through the
circle of fifths in scales.  Start with C major with no flats or
sharps, then go to G Major with one sharp, D major with 2 sharps, etc.
Play backwards as well.  This will help establish the circle of fifths
in your memory, and will also give you practice with scales and key
relationships too.  Plus, it is a warm up you can keep for life on any
instrument; every time I practice clarinet, I do long tones, an
exercise called the tongue tickler, a sticato study, and then all my
major scales and arpeggios going in circle of fifths order.  Following
a similar warm up routine, especially when you're still in high
school, can make things a lot easier for you later on down the road if
you're serious about music.

HTH.

On 9/18/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Marissa,
>
> If you're at all serious about music you should memorize this!
> Starting in the key of C the keys go up in fifths, so G, D, A, E,
> B, F sharp, C sharp.  For every key after C you sharp the leading
> tone, so the sharps are F, C, G, D, A, E, B.  When you're doing
> flats you go the other way from C, so F, B flat, E flat, A flat,
> D flat, G flat, C flat.  After the key of C you flat the note a
> fifth below the tonic (the note the scale starts on), so your
> flats are B, E, A, D, G, C, F.  Repeat the lists of flats and
> sharps to yourself till you have them memorized.  That way, when
> you see music in say four flats you know it's the key of A flat
> (or F minor) and that the flats are b, e, a, d.  The list of
> flats is cool because the first four spell "bead".  Also, the
> other thing that can help you remember it is that the sharps are
> the flats spelled backwards and vice versa.  Another way to help
> memorize this is to go around the circle of fiths when you
> practice scales.  Start somewhere and go up or down a few keys
> when you warm up.
>
> Best,
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:46:26 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
>
> Hi,
>
> Does anyone know if NLS has the Circle of Fifths in the shape of
> a circle? My band teacher said he has a circle of fifths, and he
> also has a transposition sheet, hanging side by side.  Something
> like that, anyway.  Does anyone know what NLS has? I want to be
> able to easily find the key of a song, and find the amount of
> sharps and/or flats in the song.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From marissat789 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 04:00:48 2014
From: marissat789 at gmail.com (Marissa Tejeda)
Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 21:00:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music
Message-ID: <541baa8e.421b450a.3acc.2212@mx.google.com>


Hi,

The only problem with memorizing it, is I don't understand it.  I 
understand the F-C-G-D-A-E-B (we used, Fat cat's go down alleys 
eating birds) in eighth grade.  As for B-E-A-D-G-C-F, (We used 
bead, gcf), but I still don't understand  it.  I have that much, 
but when it comes to knowing how many sharps or flats, and what  
key, it confuses me very much.

As for the warm-ups on clarinet, our band does one, (for marching 
band), called The Ultimate Warm-ups.  For concert band, we do 
long tones, mostly.


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>, National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 23:39:39 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Things for music

Great minds think alike, I guess.  Lol.

Also, to correct an error I saw in my post (I was geeking out 
about
theory stuff and was thinking faster than I could type), the 
acronym
for the sharps in order is **five** cats got drunk at Erny's bar.

Also, here's another idea.  Sit down at a piano and play through 
the
circle of fifths in scales.  Start with C major with no flats or
sharps, then go to G Major with one sharp, D major with 2 sharps, 
etc.
Play backwards as well.  This will help establish the circle of 
fifths
in your memory, and will also give you practice with scales and 
key
relationships too.  Plus, it is a warm up you can keep for life 
on any
instrument; every time I practice clarinet, I do long tones, an
exercise called the tongue tickler, a sticato study, and then all 
my
major scales and arpeggios going in circle of fifths order.  
Following
a similar warm up routine, especially when you're still in high
school, can make things a lot easier for you later on down the 
road if
you're serious about music.

HTH.

On 9/18/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Marissa,

 If you're at all serious about music you should memorize this!
 Starting in the key of C the keys go up in fifths, so G, D, A, 
E,
 B, F sharp, C sharp.  For every key after C you sharp the 
leading
 tone, so the sharps are F, C, G, D, A, E, B.  When you're doing
 flats you go the other way from C, so F, B flat, E flat, A flat,
 D flat, G flat, C flat.  After the key of C you flat the note a
 fifth below the tonic (the note the scale starts on), so your
 flats are B, E, A, D, G, C, F.  Repeat the lists of flats and
 sharps to yourself till you have them memorized.  That way, when
 you see music in say four flats you know it's the key of A flat
 (or F minor) and that the flats are b, e, a, d.  The list of
 flats is cool because the first four spell "bead".  Also, the
 other thing that can help you remember it is that the sharps are
 the flats spelled backwards and vice versa.  Another way to help
 memorize this is to go around the circle of fiths when you
 practice scales.  Start somewhere and go up or down a few keys
 when you warm up.

 Best,
 Karl

  ----- Original Message -----
 From: Marissa Tejeda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: Nabsl <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 15:46:26 -0700
 Subject: [nabs-l] Things for music

 Hi,

 Does anyone know if NLS has the Circle of Fifths in the shape of
 a circle? My band teacher said he has a circle of fifths, and he
 also has a transposition sheet, hanging side by side.  Something
 like that, anyway.  Does anyone know what NLS has? I want to be
 able to easily find the key of a song, and find the amount of
 sharps and/or flats in the song.

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 nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 19 04:42:41 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 00:42:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Issue with gmail
In-Reply-To: <CAHEy+8WUEwgsr6KsjnGr4riGBA7qF28+4LdZMqGV23x979WzYA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHEy+8WUEwgsr6KsjnGr4riGBA7qF28+4LdZMqGV23x979WzYA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS3644C7E18E6683801ACF748DCB40@phx.gbl>

Did you insure that, you were using Gmail in basic HTML view. Also, click the link at the top that says:
use link for screen readers. It may say something else, etc. Hope this helps.


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:56 PM, "jonathan franks via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening everyone,
> For the past few months I have been having an issue with Gmail.
> Occasionally when I am drafting an email, write what I want in the
> message field and send it, I receive replies from the recipients
> saying that nothing was said in the message field. I have even gone
> into my sent folder and noticed nothing is in the message portion,
> even if I have drafted a long email.
> 
> I am using the latest version of jaws and this problem has happened on
> my laptop and my desktop. I typically use Internet explorer but have
> ran across this problem with Firefox as well.
> 
> If someone has ran into the same problem and can assist me, that would
> be most appreciated.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> -- 
> Jonathan Franks
> Austin Chapter Board Member
> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
> www.nfbaustin.org
> 
> Hook the Cure Board Member
> Social Media Manager
> The University of Texas at Austin
> www.texashookthecure.weebly.co
> 
> Diabetes Action Network (NFB)
> National Board Member
> https://nfb.org/diabetics
> 
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From franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 14:13:13 2014
From: franks.jonathan13 at gmail.com (jonathan franks)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 09:13:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Issue with gmail
In-Reply-To: <BLU402-EAS3644C7E18E6683801ACF748DCB40@phx.gbl>
References: <CAHEy+8WUEwgsr6KsjnGr4riGBA7qF28+4LdZMqGV23x979WzYA@mail.gmail.com>
	<BLU402-EAS3644C7E18E6683801ACF748DCB40@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAHEy+8UkDd3wVbv-VzDCFcN3xgSkzQ=446d5pcmfoGM4QMCxcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, I always use Basic HTML.

On 9/18/14, wmodnl wmodnl <wmodnl at hotmail.com> wrote:
> Did you insure that, you were using Gmail in basic HTML view. Also, click
> the link at the top that says:
> use link for screen readers. It may say something else, etc. Hope this
> helps.
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 17, 2014, at 6:56 PM, "jonathan franks via nabs-l"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Good evening everyone,
>> For the past few months I have been having an issue with Gmail.
>> Occasionally when I am drafting an email, write what I want in the
>> message field and send it, I receive replies from the recipients
>> saying that nothing was said in the message field. I have even gone
>> into my sent folder and noticed nothing is in the message portion,
>> even if I have drafted a long email.
>>
>> I am using the latest version of jaws and this problem has happened on
>> my laptop and my desktop. I typically use Internet explorer but have
>> ran across this problem with Firefox as well.
>>
>> If someone has ran into the same problem and can assist me, that would
>> be most appreciated.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jonathan
>>
>> --
>> Jonathan Franks
>> Austin Chapter Board Member
>> National Federation of the Blind of Texas
>> www.nfbaustin.org
>>
>> Hook the Cure Board Member
>> Social Media Manager
>> The University of Texas at Austin
>> www.texashookthecure.weebly.co
>>
>> Diabetes Action Network (NFB)
>> National Board Member
>> https://nfb.org/diabetics
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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-- 
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Austin Chapter Board Member
National Federation of the Blind of Texas
www.nfbaustin.org

Hook the Cure Board Member
Social Media Manager
The University of Texas at Austin
www.texashookthecure.weebly.co

Diabetes Action Network (NFB)
National Board Member
https://nfb.org/diabetics


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 18:46:50 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 13:46:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT prep guide
Message-ID: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>

Dear NABS friends,

     I have reached a glorious moment in my life. College 
students, you'll know what I'm talking about. As a senior in high 
school, I took the ACT for the last time this week.
     Last year, when I was getting ready to take it, someone on 
this list donated to me a 20-volume ACT prep guide, which 
contains helpful strategies and three practice tests. This guide 
helped me bring up my score significantly last spring. Since I 
won't be taking the ACT again, I would like to donate this book 
to another high school student. If you're interested, please 
email me offlist at sweetpeareader at gmail.com. Have a good 
weekend!

Yours,
Sophie


From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Fri Sep 19 20:09:21 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:09:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT prep guide
In-Reply-To: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>
References: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6FDDB87B-4AB4-4345-A766-D2CE76585D5D@fuse.net>

Hi
Silly question, but does the book have answers to the practice tests?
Does anyone have a sat or psat guide similar to this?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
>    I have reached a glorious moment in my life. College students, you'll know what I'm talking about. As a senior in high school, I took the ACT for the last time this week.
>    Last year, when I was getting ready to take it, someone on this list donated to me a 20-volume ACT prep guide, which contains helpful strategies and three practice tests. This guide helped me bring up my score significantly last spring. Since I won't be taking the ACT again, I would like to donate this book to another high school student. If you're interested, please email me offlist at sweetpeareader at gmail.com. Have a good weekend!
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Fri Sep 19 20:09:21 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:09:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT prep guide
In-Reply-To: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>
References: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <6FDDB87B-4AB4-4345-A766-D2CE76585D5D@fuse.net>

Hi
Silly question, but does the book have answers to the practice tests?
Does anyone have a sat or psat guide similar to this?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear NABS friends,
> 
>    I have reached a glorious moment in my life. College students, you'll know what I'm talking about. As a senior in high school, I took the ACT for the last time this week.
>    Last year, when I was getting ready to take it, someone on this list donated to me a 20-volume ACT prep guide, which contains helpful strategies and three practice tests. This guide helped me bring up my score significantly last spring. Since I won't be taking the ACT again, I would like to donate this book to another high school student. If you're interested, please email me offlist at sweetpeareader at gmail.com. Have a good weekend!
> 
> Yours,
> Sophie
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 20:31:33 2014
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:31:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ePub file conversion
Message-ID: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>



How can I convert ePub files into Brf so i can read them on my pacmate?manda


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 20:52:38 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:52:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ACT prep guide
In-Reply-To: <6FDDB87B-4AB4-4345-A766-D2CE76585D5D@fuse.net>
References: <541c7a42.4b1ee00a.7724.ffffefcc@mx.google.com>
	<6FDDB87B-4AB4-4345-A766-D2CE76585D5D@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ-HoP9O19QBd+OrKk68X+yhJnxdtviZPbiqz1ri3Y7NA@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations on finishing the standardized testing (at least for
now)!  I'm a junior, and still remember the sense of relief I got when
I got good scores on both the SAT and ACT, and could put them behind
me.  Now you can focus on the fun part, the college applications!


On 9/19/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi
> Silly question, but does the book have answers to the practice tests?
> Does anyone have a sat or psat guide similar to this?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 19, 2014, at 2:46 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Dear NABS friends,
>>
>>    I have reached a glorious moment in my life. College students, you'll
>> know what I'm talking about. As a senior in high school, I took the ACT
>> for the last time this week.
>>    Last year, when I was getting ready to take it, someone on this list
>> donated to me a 20-volume ACT prep guide, which contains helpful
>> strategies and three practice tests. This guide helped me bring up my
>> score significantly last spring. Since I won't be taking the ACT again, I
>> would like to donate this book to another high school student. If you're
>> interested, please email me offlist at sweetpeareader at gmail.com. Have a
>> good weekend!
>>
>> Yours,
>> Sophie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Sep 19 20:53:52 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:53:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>

Hello,
One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as a 
means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions in 
class.
Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
I would like to know how accessible this is.
Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation 
could I request?
Please help me out.
Thank you in advance.
Miso Kwak




From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 20:59:39 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 16:59:39 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] ePub file conversion
In-Reply-To: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPsFFWU=jLbMg6AidefhbHCP8b1aPc=z0cPTD8rAeczQSw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't have much experience with Epub, but I believe you can put them
in into word and save them as a .docx .doc or .txt.
That is of course, assuming you can then put that into the pacmate
andconvert it into .brf from there, and I've never played around with
a pacmate so I'm not sure but I know with most notetakers you can.
Sorry I know this isn't too helpful but if you can convert files
inside the pacmate to and from .brf then you should be able to pull it
off the way I just described.


On 9/19/14, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>
> How can I convert ePub files into Brf so i can read them on my
> pacmate?manda
>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 21:02:43 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:02:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
	<8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvXtAxUkWzJz8L4xt2nNhUHWcOdvscwoLn6t4Gk-2kawQ@mail.gmail.com>

My little experience with clickers showed me that they tend to be
relatively easy to use.
Just ask for someone to orient you as to where all the buttons are.
The only downside to this is that you get no kind of auditory or other
feedback to show you you pressed the right button, or that you pressed
a button at all.
The models I used had buttons which were easily felt though not
raised; I'm not sure what other versions are out there though.

On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as a
> means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions in
> class.
> Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
> I would like to know how accessible this is.
> Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation
> could I request?
> Please help me out.
> Thank you in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Fri Sep 19 21:49:48 2014
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 17:49:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
	<8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>

On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as a
> means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions in
> class.
> Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
> I would like to know how accessible this is.
> Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation
> could I request?
> Please help me out.
> Thank you in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker that you can request that
vibrates every time you select an answer; it also has Braille
underneath each button so you can insure that you have pressed the
right one. The only downside that I have found with this particular
clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it vibrates to indicate
that it is on, but it doesn’t provide any auditory or tactile feedback
when you turn it off. I just usually ask the person sitting next to me
to ensure that it is off.
Best, Kayla


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Fri Sep 19 22:14:29 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 18:14:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1A26E373B4308-1954-C4B8@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com>

Thank you for the feedback so far.
Kayla, what is the model of the clicker you are using?
Where did you purchase it?
Could you send me a link where I could take a look at the product?
Thanks.
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Kayla Weathers <brailleprincess at gmail.com>
To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 2:49 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker

On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
> One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as 
a
> means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions 
in
> class.
> Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
> I would like to know how accessible this is.
> Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation
> could I request?
> Please help me out.
> Thank you in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brailleprincess%40gmail.com
>
Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker that you can request that
vibrates every time you select an answer; it also has Braille
underneath each button so you can insure that you have pressed the
right one. The only downside that I have found with this particular
clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it vibrates to indicate
that it is on, but it doesn’t provide any auditory or tactile feedback
when you turn it off. I just usually ask the person sitting next to me
to ensure that it is off.
Best, Kayla





From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 00:20:15 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 20:20:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] UStream
Message-ID: <DB103D0C-791A-4875-8432-337689CBAF3A@gmail.com>

Hi all,

Does anyone know if the chat feature on UStream is accessible on a Mac with Safari?  If not, is there any other way to use ustream’s chat feature to interact with people participating in a live stream?  Thanks.


Ryan

From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 01:32:16 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 21:32:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] UStream
In-Reply-To: <DB103D0C-791A-4875-8432-337689CBAF3A@gmail.com>
References: <DB103D0C-791A-4875-8432-337689CBAF3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPubuyWb-E0e7qBdD1QLqBDCXOK_Fpb0hwuhRLehLZUM-g@mail.gmail.com>

It was, with a little looking around on your part. Meaning, it'd take
a little bit of tinkering, but I do remember getting it to work
several times. I haven't been around Ustream in a few years though, so
hopefully that's improved.

On 9/19/14, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> Does anyone know if the chat feature on UStream is accessible on a Mac with
> Safari?  If not, is there any other way to use ustream's chat feature to
> interact with people participating in a live stream?  Thanks.
>
>
> Ryan
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 03:21:05 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 19 Sep 2014 23:21:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbKK6O_z=7fR5V7Usgn1ULc2chmvhbeOOBYtTjHJb6yxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, NABSters,

I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm
wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I
might work to change it.

Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule
on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all
the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and
since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my
orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability
services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks
before school started.  It was a great system.

However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  Starting
with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of a book
scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks per
semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy books
directly from the university store, where they can essentially get
them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to Amazon,
Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the first two
years the book scholarship program was in place everything worked
great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for books,
and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they don't have
to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too great
for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online orders
and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on campus to
buy their books.

This has created several problems for the general campus student
without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way
professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the
bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only
ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason
the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this semester,
so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person in the
class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can get
their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in either,
and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies until
the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the bookstore
didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate count
of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I saw
plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books that
aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk orders the
bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had to
wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for their
classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when their
class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient system
that isn't working for anyone.

The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, is
that legally the university can't give out the alternative format copy
without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my books, I
tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  They
refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the books
up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in advance, even
though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some order
anyway.

Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another
book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 2
weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by phone
when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other books
a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked
in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I
was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out
what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive,
so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what
was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was
automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second
edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't
tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the
bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to them
that the other students in my class who don't have their books will
probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are in 2
weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I then
tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, which
I had tried to do with some other books before when I special ordered
them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay for the
books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it is
pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done and to
have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not be
able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their fault.
Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still
having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with
alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and
explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register
and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could
have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.

The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and
apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things work
for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office hasn't
said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has explained the
problems related to alternative formats and getting the print copy so
we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there are
plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format textbooks,
but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky wheel.
The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that
I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's
name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a
bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it
to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make
it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats
would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for
everybody.

Thoughts?
-- 
Kaiti


-- 
Kaiti


From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 07:23:52 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 03:23:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <8D1A26E373B4308-1954-C4B8@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1A26E373B4308-1954-C4B8@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9jk6PYCUA==XNVFOCBtJ7RuargdaJBQjV4gbjrE8NrVvg@mail.gmail.com>

Miso,

I've had to use the iClicker extensively for one of my science classes
and found it to be super easy. The model of the clicker that I had
looked like a remote with six buttons labled A-E and the on-off
button. A light would flash when the clicker was on so I just had to
ask  a classmate to confirm that it was on for me. All I had to do was
click a button whenever my instructor asked a question; if you get the
regular model, don't be afraid to click the button a few times if
you're not sure if it went through. I know sighted people do this as
well.

HTH,
Minh

On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you for the feedback so far.
> Kayla, what is the model of the clicker you are using?
> Where did you purchase it?
> Could you send me a link where I could take a look at the product?
> Thanks.
> Miso Kwak
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kayla Weathers <brailleprincess at gmail.com>
> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 2:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
>
> On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as
> a
>> means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions
> in
>> class.
>> Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
>> I would like to know how accessible this is.
>> Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation
>> could I request?
>> Please help me out.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brailleprincess%40gmail.com
>>
> Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker that you can request that
> vibrates every time you select an answer; it also has Braille
> underneath each button so you can insure that you have pressed the
> right one. The only downside that I have found with this particular
> clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it vibrates to indicate
> that it is on, but it doesn't provide any auditory or tactile feedback
> when you turn it off. I just usually ask the person sitting next to me
> to ensure that it is off.
> Best, Kayla
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From carlymih at comcast.net  Sat Sep 20 14:34:06 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 07:34:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.g
	mail.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
	<8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.154.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good morning, Miso,

Personally, I would just request somebody fill out the answers orally.
Car At 02:49 PM 9/19/2014, you wrote:
>On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello, > One of my 
>courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing 
>iClicker as a > means of checking attendance and 
>recording answers for pop questions in > 
>class. > Has any one in this listserve any 
>experience with this device? > I would like to 
>know how accessible this is. > Also, in case the 
>device is not fully accessible, what 
>accomodation > could I request? > Please help me 
>out. > Thank you in advance. > Miso Kwak > > > > 
>_______________________________________________ > 
>  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > 
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or 
>get your account info for > nabs-l: > 
>http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brailleprincess%40gmail.com  
> > Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker 
>that you can request that vibrates every time 
>you select an answer; it also has Braille 
>underneath each button so you can insure that 
>you have pressed the right one. The only 
>downside that I have found with this particular 
>clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it 
>vibrates to indicate that it is on, but it 
>doesn’t provide any auditory or tactile 
>feedback when you turn it off. I just usually 
>ask the person sitting next to me to ensure that 
>it is off. Best, Kayla 
>_______________________________________________ 
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From kirt.crazydude at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 14:59:29 2014
From: kirt.crazydude at gmail.com (Kirt)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 08:59:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <541d90a1.08a1e00a.3731.ffff92a0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
	<8D1A262F44E436A-968-B812@webmail-vm106.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAGpn82SJ0K-S4gGWA2qxdL4eWCexsVXD6xd9D8pa2bL=_GxFfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<541d90a1.08a1e00a.3731.ffff92a0SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA524E14-1419-4880-BA58-375490676C08@gmail.com>

When I use an eye clicker I like to be able to confirm with the person sitting next to me that it has registered and documented my answer. Sometimes professors will assign their Teays to do that for me… And I think that's fine.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:34 AM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Miso,
> 
> Personally, I would just request somebody fill out the answers orally.
> Car At 02:49 PM 9/19/2014, you wrote:
>> On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: > Hello, > One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as a > means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions in > class. > Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device? > I would like to know how accessible this is. > Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation > could I request? > Please help me out. > Thank you in advance. > Miso Kwak > > > > _______________________________________________ >  nabs-l mailing list > nabs-l at nfbnet.org > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org  > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for > nabs-l: > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/brailleprincess%40gmail.com  > Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker that you can request that vibrates every time you select an answer; it also has Braille underneath each button so you can insure that you have pressed the right one. The only downside that I have found with this particular clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it vibrates to indicate that it is on, but it doesn’t provide any auditory or tactile feedback when you turn it off. I just usually ask the person sitting next to me to ensure that it is off. Best, Kayla _______________________________________________ nabs-l mailing list nabs-l at nfbnet.org http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l: http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/carlymih%40comcast.net
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sat Sep 20 16:00:12 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 12:00:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
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References: <CAFja7FbKK6O_z=7fR5V7Usgn1ULc2chmvhbeOOBYtTjHJb6yxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Kaiti,

That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain loudly; full 
time professors have committee meetings and those working there years have 
power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.

What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably half 
accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a store person to 
walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for them.
then, the last step I do is the same as you.
I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they can get me 
alternative format books.

In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you already did.
For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. Order from 
amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant sections.
You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you can buy 
their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  often bought 
used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus with you to 
look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I was, those 
were often around bulletin boards.


In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with disablities 
to
speak up about this.

Good luck!

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems

Hi, NABSters,

I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm
wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I
might work to change it.

Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule
on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all
the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and
since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my
orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability
services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks
before school started.  It was a great system.

However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  Starting
with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of a book
scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks per
semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy books
directly from the university store, where they can essentially get
them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to Amazon,
Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the first two
years the book scholarship program was in place everything worked
great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for books,
and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they don't have
to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too great
for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online orders
and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on campus to
buy their books.

This has created several problems for the general campus student
without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way
professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the
bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only
ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason
the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this semester,
so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person in the
class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can get
their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in either,
and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies until
the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the bookstore
didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate count
of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I saw
plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books that
aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk orders the
bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had to
wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for their
classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when their
class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient system
that isn't working for anyone.

The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, is
that legally the university can't give out the alternative format copy
without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my books, I
tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  They
refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the books
up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in advance, even
though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some order
anyway.

Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another
book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 2
weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by phone
when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other books
a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked
in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I
was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out
what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive,
so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what
was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was
automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second
edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't
tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the
bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to them
that the other students in my class who don't have their books will
probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are in 2
weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I then
tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, which
I had tried to do with some other books before when I special ordered
them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay for the
books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it is
pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done and to
have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not be
able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their fault.
Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still
having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with
alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and
explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register
and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could
have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.

The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and
apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things work
for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office hasn't
said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has explained the
problems related to alternative formats and getting the print copy so
we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there are
plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format textbooks,
but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky wheel.
The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that
I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's
name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a
bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it
to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make
it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats
would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for
everybody.

Thoughts?
-- 
Kaiti


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From bwbddl at yahoo.com  Sat Sep 20 19:54:21 2014
From: bwbddl at yahoo.com (Debby B)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:54:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] 32-cell BrailleNote QWERTY mPower for sale
Message-ID: <auto-000169103208@mailfront3.g2host.com>

Could you post this to the lists for us? Thanks!

Winona is selling her 32-cell Braille Note QWERTY mPower. It is in 
like-new condition, although it hasn't been used for several years 
and the battery has died. HumanWare has them on its website for $50.

All cords, straps, instruction books, cds, and the case are included. 
Due to the battery issue, she is only asking $500 plus shipping.

Please contact us at <mailto:bwbddl at yahoo.com>bwbddl at yahoo.com or 772-260-4966.

Thanks,

Debby Brackett
bwbddl at yahoo.com

~"Kindness is a language which the deaf can hear and the blind can 
read."~Mark Twain

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 20 20:13:07 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:13:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] UStream
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References: <DB103D0C-791A-4875-8432-337689CBAF3A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS24FDBD386F10B59643CE1FDCB50@phx.gbl>

Hi,
Ware on a Mac do you usually find UStream?


Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 19, 2014, at 8:21 PM, "Ryan Silveira via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> Does anyone know if the chat feature on UStream is accessible on a Mac with Safari?  If not, is there any other way to use ustream’s chat feature to interact with people participating in a live stream?  Thanks.
> 
> 
> Ryan
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From dandrews at visi.com  Sat Sep 20 20:39:04 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 15:39:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] ePub file conversion
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References: <BE01E024-F521-4528-9A30-517524C61991@gmail.com>
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I don't know that you can, you might be able to convert ePub to DAISY 
and use FS Reder to read them.

Dave

sderAt 03:31 PM 9/19/2014, you wrote:


>How can I convert ePub files into Brf so i can read them on my pacmate?manda
>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 20:46:05 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 13:46:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
Message-ID: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>

Hi all,
I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is something that I know 
many blind people have done to make transportation easier.  Yesterday afternoon I 
called the customer service number to receive an application to fill out.  My 
application was mailed to our house and should come within the next few days.  After 
I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an interview.
I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the interview to be accepted 
for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always consider blindness enough of a 
disability to be able to use their services.  I also wear hearing aids, if that helps 
at all, because I have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to help.  I have also 
heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
Thanks in advance.
Vejas


From freespirit328 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 20:57:20 2014
From: freespirit328 at gmail.com (Jennifer Aberdeen)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:57:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
In-Reply-To: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
References: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <586D519F5C2F4E188F30DDA157D8EEC8@JenniferPC>

Hi Vejas,

tell them about your blindness and hearing aids and that you don't feel safe 
taking a regular fixed rute, even if it is not exactly true that you don't 
feel safe. Sometimes exaggeration is necessary to get what we need.  That's 
what I did recently when I had to reapply. I told them about my blindness, 
hearing loss and wheelchair use, which is all true in my case, it's just 
that some people think that we are all super-blind or super-def or both and 
that's not true...we all have our strengths and weaknesses.

Hope this helps.

Jen

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:46 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services

Hi all,
I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is something that I 
know
many blind people have done to make transportation easier.  Yesterday 
afternoon I
called the customer service number to receive an application to fill out. 
My
application was mailed to our house and should come within the next few 
days.  After
I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an interview.
I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the interview to be 
accepted
for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always consider blindness 
enough of a
disability to be able to use their services.  I also wear hearing aids, if 
that helps
at all, because I have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to help.  I 
have also
heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
Thanks in advance.
Vejas

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 21:07:12 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:07:12 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
In-Reply-To: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
References: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCLcgt8HdOcCg=7xTzWeCJ4FYSCt1o2U_KvQGmY85bxxw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,
If your hearing loss makes it harder for you to cross some
intersections safely, it limits your ability to get around by public
transit, so tell them about that. Also tell them if you live far away
from a bus route. Good luck!
Arielle

On 9/20/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is something that I
> know
> many blind people have done to make transportation easier.  Yesterday
> afternoon I
> called the customer service number to receive an application to fill out.
> My
> application was mailed to our house and should come within the next few
> days.  After
> I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an interview.
> I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the interview to be
> accepted
> for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always consider blindness
> enough of a
> disability to be able to use their services.  I also wear hearing aids, if
> that helps
> at all, because I have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to help.  I
> have also
> heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
> Thanks in advance.
> Vejas
>
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From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 21:17:41 2014
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:17:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJCLcgt8HdOcCg=7xTzWeCJ4FYSCt1o2U_KvQGmY85bxxw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJCLcgt8HdOcCg=7xTzWeCJ4FYSCt1o2U_KvQGmY85bxxw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Vejas, 
 I use paratransit and think over all it's a good service. I agree about the
hearing loss. Also psychiatric issues can be considered so if you suffer
from an anxiety disorder that would make the crowded conditions of public
transportation or just going through all that impossible this can be
mentioned. As well as any other mental illness that might affect things.
Also anything physical like migrains chronic fatigue syndrome or
fibromalija. 
 I hope this helps. 
 Sam 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
Silverman via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:07 PM
To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access paratransit services

Hi Vejas,
If your hearing loss makes it harder for you to cross some intersections
safely, it limits your ability to get around by public transit, so tell them
about that. Also tell them if you live far away from a bus route. Good luck!
Arielle

On 9/20/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is something 
> that I know many blind people have done to make transportation easier.  
> Yesterday afternoon I called the customer service number to receive an 
> application to fill out.
> My
> application was mailed to our house and should come within the next 
> few days.  After I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an 
> interview.
> I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the interview 
> to be accepted for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always 
> consider blindness enough of a disability to be able to use their 
> services.  I also wear hearing aids, if that helps at all, because I 
> have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to help.  I have also 
> heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
> Thanks in advance.
> Vejas
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 21:19:01 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 16:19:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] New iOS functions with VoiceOver
Message-ID: <8801500B-C2FE-487E-8FAC-9C7378430430@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I was wondering if anybody could assist me I'm working with the new iPhone upgrade? I'm trying to learn to use the record button in the text message section but I see that it only pops up every so often so I wasn't sure if anyone could assist me and give me the directions on how to do it using voice over. Thanks in advance and hope this message makes sense :-)
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 20 21:20:00 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 14:20:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
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References: <CAFja7FbKK6O_z=7fR5V7Usgn1ULc2chmvhbeOOBYtTjHJb6yxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kaiti,
Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on Amazon
and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you required
to buy books on campus?
Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
Arielle

On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti,
>
> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain loudly; full
>
> time professors have committee meetings and those working there years have
> power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>
> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably half
> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a store person to
>
> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for them.
> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they can get me
> alternative format books.
>
> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you already did.
> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. Order from
>
> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant sections.
> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you can buy
> their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  often bought
>
> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus with you to
>
> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I was, those
>
> were often around bulletin boards.
>
>
> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with disablities
>
> to
> speak up about this.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>
> Hi, NABSters,
>
> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm
> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I
> might work to change it.
>
> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule
> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all
> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and
> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my
> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability
> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks
> before school started.  It was a great system.
>
> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  Starting
> with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of a book
> scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
> Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
> students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks per
> semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy books
> directly from the university store, where they can essentially get
> them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to Amazon,
> Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the first two
> years the book scholarship program was in place everything worked
> great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for books,
> and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they don't have
> to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too great
> for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online orders
> and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on campus to
> buy their books.
>
> This has created several problems for the general campus student
> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way
> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the
> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only
> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason
> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this semester,
> so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person in the
> class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can get
> their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in either,
> and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies until
> the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the bookstore
> didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate count
> of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I saw
> plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
> trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books that
> aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk orders the
> bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had to
> wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for their
> classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when their
> class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient system
> that isn't working for anyone.
>
> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, is
> that legally the university can't give out the alternative format copy
> without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my books, I
> tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  They
> refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the books
> up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in advance, even
> though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some order
> anyway.
>
> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another
> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 2
> weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by phone
> when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other books
> a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked
> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I
> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out
> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive,
> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what
> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was
> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second
> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't
> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the
> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to them
> that the other students in my class who don't have their books will
> probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are in 2
> weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I then
> tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, which
> I had tried to do with some other books before when I special ordered
> them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay for the
> books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it is
> pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done and to
> have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not be
> able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their fault.
> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still
> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with
> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and
> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register
> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could
> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>
> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and
> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things work
> for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office hasn't
> said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has explained the
> problems related to alternative formats and getting the print copy so
> we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there are
> plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format textbooks,
> but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky wheel.
> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that
> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's
> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a
> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it
> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make
> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats
> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for
> everybody.
>
> Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti
>
>
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> Kaiti
>
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From anjelinac at att.net  Sat Sep 20 21:38:17 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 17:38:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] New iOS functions with VoiceOver
In-Reply-To: <8801500B-C2FE-487E-8FAC-9C7378430430@gmail.com>
References: <8801500B-C2FE-487E-8FAC-9C7378430430@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4DDC5091-787E-4973-AED5-9DF19FD48AAA@att.net>

Hi Gloria, hold down the record button when you're recording a message and lift your finger when you want to end the recording. Hope that helps.
Anjelina

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:19 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I was wondering if anybody could assist me I'm working with the new iPhone upgrade? I'm trying to learn to use the record button in the text message section but I see that it only pops up every so often so I wasn't sure if anyone could assist me and give me the directions on how to do it using voice over. Thanks in advance and hope this message makes sense :-)
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Sep 20 23:02:03 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 19:02:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility of a Statistical Software Fathom
Message-ID: <8D1A33E06F5A417-C4C-1103A@webmail-vm111.sysops.aol.com>

Thank you all to who gave me feedback on iClicker.
I think I can make it work out.
This is for the same class but I wanted to make it a separate thread 
since it is about completely different product.
Has anyone had experience with a statistical software called Fathom?
Is it accessible with JAWS and/or NVDA?
Thank you in advance.
Miso Kwak




From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 03:13:43 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 23:13:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
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	<CALAYQJCLcgt8HdOcCg=7xTzWeCJ4FYSCt1o2U_KvQGmY85bxxw@mail.gmail.com>
	<011c01cfd518$507107f0$f15317d0$@gmail.com>
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I agree with what's written above.
Just one warning though, be very careful with what you say, and make
it clear that you absolutely need the service and would basically be
stuck at home if you didn't have it.
It may be an exaggeration, but I've learned the hard way that
sometimes its best to do that to get what we need.
Also, if you have any anxiety, even minor, highlit it. Again,
exaggerating the point a bit perhaps, but they'll take whatever
loopholes you leave open for them so just make sure you don't leave
anyweak points in your arguments, and if you think something is a
weaker point then something else, just focus on what would help make
yourargument stronger and deflect questions related to the other
things as best you can.
Good luck.



On 9/20/14, Sam Nelson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
>  I use paratransit and think over all it's a good service. I agree about
> the
> hearing loss. Also psychiatric issues can be considered so if you suffer
> from an anxiety disorder that would make the crowded conditions of public
> transportation or just going through all that impossible this can be
> mentioned. As well as any other mental illness that might affect things.
> Also anything physical like migrains chronic fatigue syndrome or
> fibromalija.
>  I hope this helps.
>  Sam
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Arielle
> Silverman via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:07 PM
> To: Vejas Vasiliauskas; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
>
> Hi Vejas,
> If your hearing loss makes it harder for you to cross some intersections
> safely, it limits your ability to get around by public transit, so tell
> them
> about that. Also tell them if you live far away from a bus route. Good
> luck!
> Arielle
>
> On 9/20/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is something
>> that I know many blind people have done to make transportation easier.
>> Yesterday afternoon I called the customer service number to receive an
>> application to fill out.
>> My
>> application was mailed to our house and should come within the next
>> few days.  After I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an
>> interview.
>> I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the interview
>> to be accepted for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always
>> consider blindness enough of a disability to be able to use their
>> services.  I also wear hearing aids, if that helps at all, because I
>> have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to help.  I have also
>> heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
>> Thanks in advance.
>> Vejas
>>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From dandrews at visi.com  Sun Sep 21 03:47:46 2014
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Sat, 20 Sep 2014 22:47:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Job Opening At Augsburg College
Message-ID: <auto-000168638453@mailfront4.g2host.com>


>
>I am the Director of Disability Services/CLASS at Augsburg College. 
>We have an opening for a disability  specialist that we would like 
>to fill as soon as possible. Please post to appropriate lists. Thanks much.
>
>Best,
>Kathy McGillivray
>
><http://www.higheredjobs.com/>
>HigherEdJobs - Faculty and Staff Positions at Hundreds of Colle
>
>
>
>Disability Specialist (952-314)
>
>
>
>
>Institution:<http://augsburg-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/submit.cfm?fuseaction=app.dspjob&jobid=952&company_id=16314&jobboardid=101>Augsburg 
>College
>Location:Minneapolis, MN
>Category:
>*
>        Admin - Disability Services
>Posted:09/17/2014
>Application Due:Open Until Filled
>Type:Full Time
>
>Located in the heart of the Twin Cities, Augsburg College has over 
>3,600 traditional and non-traditional students enrolled in over 50 
>major areas of undergraduate study, six graduate degree programs, 
>and a Doctorate in Nursing Practice. Incorporating its urban setting 
>into campus life, celebrating its commitment to diversity, 
>practicing service to others, and focusing clearly on its 
>understanding of Vocation are all hallmarks of the Augsburg profile.
>Augsburg College is seeking a Disability Specialist to work in their 
>Class office. The Disability Specialist will determine reasonable 
>accommodations; consult with, instruct, and support students with 
>disabilities based on provisions of Section 504, the ADA, and best 
>practices in order to provide equal access to the educational 
>environment. This is a 10month/.833 FTE position . (This position 
>will remain open until filled.)
>
>This position is responsible for the following:
>*
>        Determine reasonable accommodations, based on Section 504, 
> ADA, and best practices, for current and prospective students with 
> disabilities to provide equal access to the educational experience, 
> programs, and facilities.
>*
>        Coach, instruct, and support individual students with 
> disabilities to facilitate the development of self-advocacy skills, 
> effective time management, and learning strategies.
>*
>        Recruit, interview, and orient incoming students to educate 
> them regarding CLASS services, policies, and procedures.
>*
>        Collaborate with students, CLASS colleagues, faculty, staff, 
> and parents to analyze, problem-solve, and establish a course of 
> action and refer to community resources, as necessary.
>*
>        Advise students on the interaction between their 
> disabilities and course selection and registration to meet the 
> College's General Ed, Graduation Skills, and Major dept. requirements.
>*
>        Cultivate professional development to obtain information and 
> remain current in the Disability Services field.
>*
>        Participate in training and outreach activities to increase 
> disability awareness at Augsburg and in the community at large.
>*
>        All other duties as apparent or assigned by supervisor(s).
>Required Skills
>*
>        Advanced education equivalent to a master's degree and 2 
> years experience working with people with disabilities required.
>*
>        Knowledge of laws pertaining to people with disabilities 
> including ADA and Section 504.
>Experience Required
>*
>        Basic word processing skills; basic computer knowledge.
>*
>        Previous post-secondary experience preferred.
>*
>        Ability to work effectively and collaboratively in a diverse 
> work environment.
>*
>        Ability to be attentive to details, be accurate, be precise.
>*
>        Ability to lead/teach, work in a team environment, and work 
> independently with little or no supervision.
>*
>        Ability to reason/analyze; maintain confidentiality; and 
> demonstrate patience, understanding.
>*
>        Ability to show initiative, multi-task and organize 
> workflow, manage one or more multiple projects, and handle frequent 
> interruptions.
>
>The College is committed to diversity and the education of students 
>in a global perspective. Augsburg College is an equal opportunity employer.
>
>Augsburg College is committed to providing equal employment 
>opportunity to all job seekers according to all applicable equal 
>opportunity and affirmative action laws and regulations. Qualified 
>individuals with a disability, a disabled veteran, or an individual 
>that has other barriers that limit your ability to access our 
>on-line application system, please contact Human Resources at 
><mailto:hr at augsburg.edu>hr at augsburg.edu to discuss alternative ways 
>to apply for open positions..
>Application Information
>
>Contact:Human Resources
>Augsburg College
>Online App. 
>Form:<http://augsburg-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/submit.cfm?fuseaction=app.dspjob&jobid=952&company_id=16314&jobboardid=101>http://augsburg-openhire.silkroad.com/epostings/submit.cfm?fuseaction=app.d 
>spjob&jobid=952&company_id=16314&jobboardid=101
>
>More Information on Augsburg College
>*
> 
><http://www.higheredjobs.com/InstitutionProfile.cfm?ProfileID=15610>Institutional 
>Profile
>*
> 
><http://www.higheredjobs.com/institution/search.cfm?aID=677>Current 
>openings for Augsburg College on HigherEdJobs.
>*
>        <http://www.augsburg.edu/>Home Page
>*
>        <http://www.augsburg.edu/hr/>Employment Opportunities
>*
>        <http://www.augsburg.edu/about/facts/>Fast Facts
>As an Equal Opportunity Employer, we are committed to cultural 
>diversity in our work force.
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 14:10:49 2014
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 10:10:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
In-Reply-To: <8D1A26E373B4308-1954-C4B8@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com>
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	<8D1A26E373B4308-1954-C4B8@webmail-m262.sysops.aol.com>
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Hey Miso and All,

I have used iClicker extensively throughout my college career. You can obtain an accessible clicker by calling the iClicker office or contacting sales at iclicker.com.

The remote will vibrate when it turns on, and will also vibrate with each answer selection so you can confirm your answer was recorded.

Here is a link to all the accessibility options iClicker has to offer, although I wish it was a bit more descriptive about which generations of the iClicker vibrate and which don't. Most times I find that professors only use the a-e letters when asking for responses, so the first generation vibrating clicker works just fine.

http://www1.iclicker.com/response-device-accessibility/


The only trouble I have with iClicker is when the professors forget to read the answer selections aloud; if your professor is not accustomed to this, definitely don't hesitate to remind them to do so. :)

I hope this helps.
Jordyn
On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:14 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Thank you for the feedback so far.
> Kayla, what is the model of the clicker you are using?
> Where did you purchase it?
> Could you send me a link where I could take a look at the product?
> Thanks.
> Miso Kwak
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kayla Weathers <brailleprincess at gmail.com>
> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>; National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Fri, Sep 19, 2014 2:49 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Requesting Help with iClicker
> 
> On 9/19/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> One of my courses for this fall quarter will be utilizing iClicker as 
> a
>> means of checking attendance and recording answers for pop questions 
> in
>> class.
>> Has any one in this listserve any experience with this device?
>> I would like to know how accessible this is.
>> Also, in case the device is not fully accessible, what accomodation
>> could I request?
>> Please help me out.
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> Hi, there is a somewhat accessible clicker that you can request that
> vibrates every time you select an answer; it also has Braille
> underneath each button so you can insure that you have pressed the
> right one. The only downside that I have found with this particular
> clicker is that when you turn the unit on, it vibrates to indicate
> that it is on, but it doesn’t provide any auditory or tactile feedback
> when you turn it off. I just usually ask the person sitting next to me
> to ensure that it is off.
> Best, Kayla
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 20:17:34 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 13:17:34 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Design college sudent looking for blind folks in LA area
 to help with his research project
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCac_T5tC7Y3ozCVbXSQUroySSaV-y-+58Sxcnfba3Jgg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
I received the attached from an acquaintance of mine who is doing a
research project for a college class. I am not endorsing this project
just offering to publicize it to folks living near LA who might be
interested. Also, even if you don't live in LA, it might be nice to
send him some feedback about things we need or don't need when it
comes to eating. This could be a good chance to educate the public.
Best,
Arielle

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: jasonliucn <jasonliucn at outlook.com>
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 12:10:50 -0700
Subject: research plan consent form
To: arielle71 at gmail.com

Hi Arielle

Please check the attachment. I really appreciate it. Keep in touch,
and I’m very happy to work with you.

Best,
Jason Liu
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sun Sep 21 21:36:54 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
Message-ID: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>

Hi Everyone, 

 

I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 12th
to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the
colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I could
make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college fair on this
Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back with me next
week (in today's  terms last week.) 

She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that
meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled it for
Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher (who she
had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any email from
her, and the college fair is in three days. 

Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently considering
will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not really my
first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the fair or
not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in person, and I
was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first (since their
a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.) 

I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated. 

Thanks


From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Sun Sep 21 21:40:10 2014
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (Kaley Jemison)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:40:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
In-Reply-To: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
References: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
Message-ID: <C17E13BA-FB5B-4308-A8EF-202156111395@bellsouth.net>

Unfortunately you very often have to be extremely persistent when dealing with administration email them a lot as far as deciding colleges perhaps you should send a list of the colleges you're considering to this list and we can give you some feedback

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> 
> 
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 12th
> to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I could
> make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college fair on this
> Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back with me next
> week (in today's  terms last week.) 
> 
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled it for
> Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher (who she
> had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any email from
> her, and the college fair is in three days. 
> 
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently considering
> will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not really my
> first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the fair or
> not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in person, and I
> was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first (since their
> a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.) 
> 
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 21:59:07 2014
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:59:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
In-Reply-To: <C17E13BA-FB5B-4308-A8EF-202156111395@bellsouth.net>
References: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
	<C17E13BA-FB5B-4308-A8EF-202156111395@bellsouth.net>
Message-ID: <006501cfd5e7$449d12a0$cdd737e0$@gmail.com>

While I'm sure the counselor has some good information about your colleges
of interest, she doesn't have information that you couldn't find on your
own. Most schools will post their average stats in terms of grades,
standardized exam results, etc. If touring the school is out of the
question, you could also call someone in their admissions offices and talk
to one of their counselors, who will in truth have the most up-to-date
information. But, I wouldn't stress out about your counselor's availability.
The whole point of a fair, after all, is for you to go round and talk to
different schools to determine a good fit for you based on your interests
and qualifications, not someone else's recommendation.

Joe

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-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaley Jemison
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l; Lillie Pennington; National Association of
Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff

Unfortunately you very often have to be extremely persistent when dealing
with administration email them a lot as far as deciding colleges perhaps you
should send a list of the colleges you're considering to this list and we
can give you some feedback

Sent from my iPhone

On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone,
> 
> 
> 
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 
> 12th to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an 
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the 
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I 
> could make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college 
> fair on this Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would 
> get back with me next week (in today's  terms last week.)
> 
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that 
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled 
> it for Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my 
> teacher (who she had contacted) that she would email me. I have not 
> received any email from her, and the college fair is in three days.
> 
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently 
> considering will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there 
> are not really my first choices. I do not know what to do and if I 
> should go to the fair or not. I need to explore other ways of meeting 
> these colleges in person, and I was hoping to get a gage of which 
> colleges I should visit first (since their a fair distance away from 
> me so I have to plan a bit.)
> 
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Sep 21 22:03:46 2014
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:03:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
In-Reply-To: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
References: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
Message-ID: <9CA73975-4EAA-4522-80E7-7CC48858A5A6@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

I have a lot experience selecting colleges and knowing what to look for. If you'd like some advice you can contact me off list. 

My cell is 9032716494

or you can email me at dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu

Best
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> 
> 
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 12th
> to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I could
> make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college fair on this
> Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back with me next
> week (in today's  terms last week.) 
> 
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled it for
> Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher (who she
> had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any email from
> her, and the college fair is in three days. 
> 
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently considering
> will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not really my
> first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the fair or
> not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in person, and I
> was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first (since their
> a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.) 
> 
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From gpaikens at gmail.com  Sun Sep 21 22:34:02 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 18:34:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
In-Reply-To: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
References: <002401cfd5e4$29ccef70$7d66ce50$@net>
Message-ID: <7EC3E421-2651-43CD-A7B8-F757C51A7F94@gmail.com>

I would recommend you still go to the fair. Even though your top picks won’t be there, you can still use the time to check out 3 of your prospective schools. I do recommend a visit in person though, at least to your top few picks if possible. 

Best of luck,

Greg

On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:36 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Everyone, 
> 
> 
> 
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 12th
> to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I could
> make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college fair on this
> Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back with me next
> week (in today's  terms last week.) 
> 
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled it for
> Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher (who she
> had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any email from
> her, and the college fair is in three days. 
> 
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently considering
> will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not really my
> first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the fair or
> not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in person, and I
> was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first (since their
> a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.) 
> 
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated. 
> 
> Thanks
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 01:37:11 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:37:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] call transfering on iPhone
Message-ID: <017795AD-E672-47F2-BA84-D17BDD3C8579@gmail.com>

Hi NABS friends,

Does anyone know if there is a way to transfer an on-going call on an iPhone to another phone?  Say, for example, you were on a call on your iPhone and the person then needed to talk to your business partner or something.  Is there no way at all to transfer that call to your co-worker who may either be at work or on their own cell phone?  I haven’t figured out how to do it through the native phone app, but perhaps there is a third-party app which would integrate with the native phone app and allow this.  Does anyone know?  Thanks.


Ryan L. Silveira

From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 01:39:50 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 21:39:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] call transfering on iPhone
In-Reply-To: <017795AD-E672-47F2-BA84-D17BDD3C8579@gmail.com>
References: <017795AD-E672-47F2-BA84-D17BDD3C8579@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPvvB7S4OSJwYveKL+3si0teoMLZfbAN=S=vujPeR+bCYA@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, but not for free.
There are several services that do that that have phone apps, I don't
remember the mnames off the top of my head, but that involves creating
some kind of private virtual network or something along those lines,
that comes with a phone bridge.
I believe that's what it is.
Again, don't remember the name of any of them, but did remember seeing
iPhone apps for such services.
Natively you can't do it though.


On 9/21/14, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi NABS friends,
>
> Does anyone know if there is a way to transfer an on-going call on an iPhone
> to another phone?  Say, for example, you were on a call on your iPhone and
> the person then needed to talk to your business partner or something.  Is
> there no way at all to transfer that call to your co-worker who may either
> be at work or on their own cell phone?  I haven't figured out how to do it
> through the native phone app, but perhaps there is a third-party app which
> would integrate with the native phone app and allow this.  Does anyone know?
>  Thanks.
>
>
> Ryan L. Silveira
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 02:26:50 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:26:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] call transfering on iPhone
Message-ID: <541f8905.a4ea320a.176c.156f@mx.google.com>

Hi=20Ryan,=20I=20don't=20know=20if=20it's=20possible=20to=20transfer=20a=20=
call=20to=20
another=20phone,=20but=20it's=20possible=20to=20patch=20in=20another=20pers=
on=20if=20
you're=20the=20one=20who=20initiated=20the=20call.=20=20There's=20a=20butto=
n=20called=20
something=20like=20"add=20call"=20that=20you=20can=20double=20tap,=20and=20=
then=20you=20
can=20call=20your=20partner=20or=20whoever.=20=20I=20don't=20know=20though=
=20if=20your=20
partner=20and=20the=20person=20you=20were=20talking=20to=20would=20get=20di=
sconnected=20
if=20you=20hung=20up=20though.

=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Ryan=20Silveira=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date=20sent:=20Sun,=2021=20Sep=202014=2021:37:11=20-0400
Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20call=20transfering=20on=20iPhone

Hi=20NABS=20friends,

Does=20anyone=20know=20if=20there=20is=20a=20way=20to=20transfer=20an=20on-=
going=20call=20
on=20an=20iPhone=20to=20another=20phone?=20=20Say,=20for=20example,=20you=20=
were=20on=20a=20
call=20on=20your=20iPhone=20and=20the=20person=20then=20needed=20to=20talk=
=20to=20your=20
business=20partner=20or=20something.=20=20Is=20there=20no=20way=20at=20all=
=20to=20
transfer=20that=20call=20to=20your=20co-worker=20who=20may=20either=20be=20=
at=20work=20or=20
on=20their=20own=20cell=20phone?=20=20I=20haven=E2=80=99t=20figured=20out=20=
how=20to=20do=20it=20
through=20the=20native=20phone=20app,=20but=20perhaps=20there=20is=20a=20th=
ird-party=20
app=20which=20would=20integrate=20with=20the=20native=20phone=20app=20and=20=
allow=20
this.=20=20Does=20anyone=20know?=20=20Thanks.


Ryan=20L.=20Silveira
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il.com



From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 02:26:52 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 22:26:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
Message-ID: <541f8908.a4ea320a.176c.1573@mx.google.com>

Hi Lillie,

I think the best thing you could do is find some people in the 
field(s) you want to go into and ask them about the reputations 
of the schools you're considering.  If you're planning on going 
to grad school, where you go to undergrad really doesn't matter, 
but if you're planning on stopping with a bachelor's, it's 
important to find out how potential employers will view the fact 
that you got a degree from a given school.  As others have said, 
I definitely think you should go to the fair unless it's 
massively problematic to do so.  More information can't hurt, and 
at least you'll get to talk to three of the schools on your list.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:36:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff

Hi Everyone,



I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago 
(September 12th
to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion 
if the
colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me 
so I could
make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college 
fair on this
Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back 
with me next
week (in today's  terms last week.)

She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled 
that
meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She 
rescheduled it for
Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher 
(who she
had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any 
email from
her, and the college fair is in three days.

Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently 
considering
will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not 
really my
first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the 
fair or
not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in 
person, and I
was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first 
(since their
a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.)

I really do not know what to do now so any help would be 
appreciated.

Thanks

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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep 22 07:14:46 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 00:14:46 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
In-Reply-To: <586D519F5C2F4E188F30DDA157D8EEC8@JenniferPC>
References: <541de7c9.0a67460a.2907.ffff9b8d@mx.google.com>
	<586D519F5C2F4E188F30DDA157D8EEC8@JenniferPC>
Message-ID: <mailman.155.1772982278.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Good evening, Jen,

         Thank you for expressing Sentiments about how, particularly 
Ol'Sighty has framed most of us as super blinks, capable of 
everything, sometimes more. About 10 years ago, after losing both 
seeing organs to baby cancer, I became brain damaged thus, losing 
many of the capacities on which I always depended. Such Diminished 
capacities, however, have indeed effected my own experience in a 
positive way, rendering me more patient, accepting  of that which I 
am powerless to effect, even when it comes to having a hand in 
shaping my own destiny.
Car




or both and that's not true...we all have our strengths and weaknesses.

>Hope this helps.
>
>Jen
>
>-----Original Message----- From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:46 PM
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Subject: [nabs-l] access paratransit services
>
>Hi all,
>I want to sign up for access paratransit services, which is 
>something that I know
>many blind people have done to make transportation 
>easier.  Yesterday afternoon I
>called the customer service number to receive an application to fill out. My
>application was mailed to our house and should come within the next 
>few days.  After
>I fill it out and send it back I have to schedule an interview.
>I would really appreciate any tips on what I can say for the 
>interview to be accepted
>for eligibility, as I know that Access does not always consider 
>blindness enough of a
>disability to be able to use their services.  I also wear hearing 
>aids, if that helps
>at all, because I have moderate hearing loss and they are meant to 
>help.  I have also
>heard that you can appeal if you are not accepted.
>Thanks in advance.
>Vejas
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 13:07:28 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:07:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Notes Committee
Message-ID: <54201f4a.e406b70a.47dd.1a0c@mx.google.com>

Do any of you know who handles the nabs notes comuittee? I'd like 
to contact them about getting involved with this committee.


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 13:27:52 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:27:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] The Nabs Notes Committee
In-Reply-To: <54201f4a.e406b70a.47dd.1a0c@mx.google.com>
References: <54201f4a.e406b70a.47dd.1a0c@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <44AE1767-06FE-40D7-B928-6E47230A8C58@gmail.com>

NABS Notes is a project of the Communications Committee, which is chaired by Gabe Cazares. His email is: gcazares at nfbtx.org. 

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 9:07 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Do any of you know who handles the nabs notes comuittee? I'd like to contact them about getting involved with this committee.
> 
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 14:35:05 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 08:35:05 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
In-Reply-To: <541f8908.a4ea320a.176c.1573@mx.google.com>
References: <541f8908.a4ea320a.176c.1573@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CA+OnPfEnv54KADKarikk86N3rJNz_Z5egoHznDcAOBTaE7o9Bw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Lillie,
I agree with everyone's great ideas  here. It will not hurt to check
out the fair. You don't have to stay the whole time either. You should
definitely work on scheduling an appointment with your guidance
councilor. Have your list of colleges prepared and ranked from the top
schools you'd like to attend to the ones you are not very sure about.
Also, call each schools disabillities office and find out how
accomidating they are. Also, talking to an admissions councilor is a
wonderful idea as well as asking the admissions councilor if they can
connect you with a student that goes there to whom you could speak
with. Getting insight from a student that attends that college is
always beneficial as well.
I know how you feel, I've been in your shoes 4 years ago. I went crazy
my senior year of high school and applied to 16 different schools. So
the more you can narrow down yor list of where you want to go, the
better and easier it will be for you to decide. I would also suggest
checking out the schools course catalog to make sure that they have
the major that you are looking to pursue.
Hope this helps some.
Feel free to email me with other questions at: Lily1127 at me.com
All the best to you!
Liliya

On 9/21/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Lillie,
>
> I think the best thing you could do is find some people in the
> field(s) you want to go into and ask them about the reputations
> of the schools you're considering.  If you're planning on going
> to grad school, where you go to undergrad really doesn't matter,
> but if you're planning on stopping with a bachelor's, it's
> important to find out how potential employers will view the fact
> that you got a degree from a given school.  As others have said,
> I definitely think you should go to the fair unless it's
> massively problematic to do so.  More information can't hurt, and
> at least you'll get to talk to three of the schools on your list.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:36:54 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago
> (September 12th
> to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion
> if the
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me
> so I could
> make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college
> fair on this
> Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would get back
> with me next
> week (in today's  terms last week.)
>
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled
> that
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She
> rescheduled it for
> Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my teacher
> (who she
> had contacted) that she would email me. I have not received any
> email from
> her, and the college fair is in three days.
>
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently
> considering
> will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there are not
> really my
> first choices. I do not know what to do and if I should go to the
> fair or
> not. I need to explore other ways of meeting these colleges in
> person, and I
> was hoping to get a gage of which colleges I should visit first
> (since their
> a fair distance away from me so I have to plan a bit.)
>
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
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From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 15:29:38 2014
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:29:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
Message-ID: <5420406c.c47e460a.4254.ffffb36b@mx.google.com>

Hi Everyone,
  I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or 
worring, to be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already 
know what fields I want to major in and have an idea of places I 
don't want to go in the country, but I don't know where or how to 
begin looking for colleges and deciding which ones have the best 
programs I'm interested in.  I don't want to be behind when it 
comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
Thanks,
Precious


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 15:35:04 2014
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:35:04 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
In-Reply-To: <5420406c.c47e460a.4254.ffffb36b@mx.google.com>
References: <5420406c.c47e460a.4254.ffffb36b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <2170E095-30BE-4D1D-9043-6237C6828E6B@gmail.com>

Hi! Tell us what you're interested in majoring in, and where you're interested in going. Then we can give you ideas

Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver

> On Sep 22, 2014, at 09:29, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Everyone,
> I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or worring, to be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields I want to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the country, but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges and deciding which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I don't want to be behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
> Thanks,
> Precious
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 15:51:53 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:51:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
In-Reply-To: <2170E095-30BE-4D1D-9043-6237C6828E6B@gmail.com>
References: <5420406c.c47e460a.4254.ffffb36b@mx.google.com>
	<2170E095-30BE-4D1D-9043-6237C6828E6B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>

Precious:
That's a very tough question if we don't know what major you're
thinking of going into.
You are one step ahead of where I was at that time, at least you know
the places you don't want to go.
My best advice is try to get yourself to 1 2 or 3 majors you want to go into.
If you already have those majors, go ahead and share them with us so
we can help you better.
As far as searching for colleges, search anything based on those 3 majors.
Also, look at colleges not only for tuition and so on, but look at
what their known for.
For instance, since I was in New York at the time, I learned that:
-Hunter College is known for medical and education-related studies,
-Columbia is well known for education,
etc.
And that way you narrow down which colleges you want to go to since
you want to go to a college that is well known for your major because
that's where they'll be the most equipped to help you.

Hope that helps.





On 9/22/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi! Tell us what you're interested in majoring in, and where you're
> interested in going. Then we can give you ideas
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 09:29, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or worring, to
>> be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields I
>> want to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the
>> country, but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges and
>> deciding which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I don't
>> want to be behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
>> Thanks,
>> Precious
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>
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>


-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Mon Sep 22 15:55:59 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 11:55:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8D1A494D694CF00-1AE0-26BD@webmail-vm016.sysops.aol.com>

The easiest place to start could be your own high school.
Make an appointment with your guidance counselor and talk to him/her 
about your interest and factors that you are looking for in a college.
Or you can start by Googling.
For instance, best undergraduate programs in English
When you find some programs, go on to respective colleges' website and 
explore.
Some college resource portals are
College Board
www.collegeboard.org
College Prowler
www.collegeprowler.com
and College Confidential
www.collegeconfidential.com
-- Miso
P.S: if you haven't done so already, you should start looking into SAT 
and/or the ACT. Are you signed up to take the upcoming PSAT?

-----Original Message-----
From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>; National 
Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 8:52 am
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] where to start

Precious:
That's a very tough question if we don't know what major you're
thinking of going into.
You are one step ahead of where I was at that time, at least you know
the places you don't want to go.
My best advice is try to get yourself to 1 2 or 3 majors you want to go 
into.
If you already have those majors, go ahead and share them with us so
we can help you better.
As far as searching for colleges, search anything based on those 3 
majors.
Also, look at colleges not only for tuition and so on, but look at
what their known for.
For instance, since I was in New York at the time, I learned that:
-Hunter College is known for medical and education-related studies,
-Columbia is well known for education,
etc.
And that way you narrow down which colleges you want to go to since
you want to go to a college that is well known for your major because
that's where they'll be the most equipped to help you.

Hope that helps.





On 9/22/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
> Hi! Tell us what you're interested in majoring in, and where you're
> interested in going. Then we can give you ideas
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 09:29, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or 
worring, to
>> be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields 
I
>> want to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the
>> country, but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges 
and
>> deciding which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I 
don't
>> want to be behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
>> Thanks,
>> Precious
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> 
http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>
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>


--
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)

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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 16:12:55 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 09:12:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
In-Reply-To: <8D1A494D694CF00-1AE0-26BD@webmail-vm016.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D1A494D694CF00-1AE0-26BD@webmail-vm016.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdyNVvYBtAAiE6uwcVc-3CY9za8gUnR_=XFwfoC74Z0uBA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I admittedly haven't read the thread, so apologies for repeating
anything. I haven't used it since 2007 but found the Counselor-o-matic
feature on the Princeton Review website very helpful. It asks you a
lot of questions about what you want in a school and "matches" you
with schools. I then took this information and explored school's
websites including the pages of the departments I was interested in. I
finally collated a list of schools to visit. The visit really can make
a difference! I recommend visiting if at all possible and doing more
than the canned tour, although at smaller schools, the tours can be
smaller and the guides can offer a lot more information than what is
possible in the giant tours.

I think this is an excellent time for you to be narrowing down where
you are going to apply so you can save senior year for the
applications! I traveled during spring break. I do recommend getting
the SAT/ACT over with this year so if you don't like your score you
can study a lot and try again; I took both twice. My score did not
change as the tests are designed quite well to capture what they want
to capture, but I also did not attend classes or really change the way
I studied between attempts so that could be a reason for the similar
scores as well.

Cindy

On 9/22/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The easiest place to start could be your own high school.
> Make an appointment with your guidance counselor and talk to him/her
> about your interest and factors that you are looking for in a college.
> Or you can start by Googling.
> For instance, best undergraduate programs in English
> When you find some programs, go on to respective colleges' website and
> explore.
> Some college resource portals are
> College Board
> www.collegeboard.org
> College Prowler
> www.collegeprowler.com
> and College Confidential
> www.collegeconfidential.com
> -- Miso
> P.S: if you haven't done so already, you should start looking into SAT
> and/or the ACT. Are you signed up to take the upcoming PSAT?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer <zdreicer at gmail.com>; National
> Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Mon, Sep 22, 2014 8:52 am
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] where to start
>
> Precious:
> That's a very tough question if we don't know what major you're
> thinking of going into.
> You are one step ahead of where I was at that time, at least you know
> the places you don't want to go.
> My best advice is try to get yourself to 1 2 or 3 majors you want to go
> into.
> If you already have those majors, go ahead and share them with us so
> we can help you better.
> As far as searching for colleges, search anything based on those 3
> majors.
> Also, look at colleges not only for tuition and so on, but look at
> what their known for.
> For instance, since I was in New York at the time, I learned that:
> -Hunter College is known for medical and education-related studies,
> -Columbia is well known for education,
> etc.
> And that way you narrow down which colleges you want to go to since
> you want to go to a college that is well known for your major because
> that's where they'll be the most equipped to help you.
>
> Hope that helps.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 9/22/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>> Hi! Tell us what you're interested in majoring in, and where you're
>> interested in going. Then we can give you ideas
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>>
>>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 09:29, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Everyone,
>>> I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or
> worring, to
>>> be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields
> I
>>> want to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the
>>> country, but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges
> and
>>> deciding which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I
> don't
>>> want to be behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
>>> Thanks,
>>> Precious
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/zdreicer%40gmail.com
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jorgeapaez1994%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
> --
> Yours in Christ,
>
>
> Jorge
>
> God blesses those people
>     who depend only on him.
> They belong to the kingdom
>     of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)
>
> You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
> Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>
>
>
>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
Graduate Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 22 19:40:08 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 15:40:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5420406c.c47e460a.4254.ffffb36b@mx.google.com>	<2170E095-30BE-4D1D-9043-6237C6828E6B@gmail.com>
	<CAA+vbPtN0NH+nt8TyiJdGD3eW3NiUJhu+E3b+83xYRoKPYT3tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003801cfd69d$046ebf10$0d4c3d30$@gmail.com>

One tip I will give is to pay attention to your environment; make sure you
folks attend a college where you are comfortable and where you feel you will
fit in and be able to make friends and enjoy yourself.  Do you like the big
city life, or a small town feel.  Mayve you want a campus which is enclosed.


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jorge Paez via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:52 AM
To: Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer; National Association of Blind Students
mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] where to start

Precious:
That's a very tough question if we don't know what major you're thinking of
going into.
You are one step ahead of where I was at that time, at least you know the
places you don't want to go.
My best advice is try to get yourself to 1 2 or 3 majors you want to go
into.
If you already have those majors, go ahead and share them with us so we can
help you better.
As far as searching for colleges, search anything based on those 3 majors.
Also, look at colleges not only for tuition and so on, but look at what
their known for.
For instance, since I was in New York at the time, I learned that:
-Hunter College is known for medical and education-related studies,
-Columbia is well known for education, etc.
And that way you narrow down which colleges you want to go to since you want
to go to a college that is well known for your major because that's where
they'll be the most equipped to help you.

Hope that helps.





On 9/22/14, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi! Tell us what you're interested in majoring in, and where you're 
> interested in going. Then we can give you ideas
>
> Sent from my iPhone 5S Using VoiceOver
>
>> On Sep 22, 2014, at 09:29, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Everyone,
>> I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or worring, 
>> to be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what 
>> fields I want to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to 
>> go in the country, but I don't know where or how to begin looking for 
>> colleges and deciding which ones have the best programs I'm 
>> interested in.  I don't want to be behind when it comes time to apply.
Do you have any tips?
>> Thanks,
>> Precious
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Mon Sep 22 20:29:26 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 16:29:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
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Hi Precious,

I am basically in the same situation as you right now. First as others have
suggested, if you tell us what you are interested in, don't want to go, and
where you do want to go (if you have a preference), we may be able to give
you contacts to talk to. 
What I have done to start my list of schools is to google accredited
socialwork schools in Kentucky. If you are considering teaching or something
with accreditation this may help you; if not, then you could use tools like
career cruise (which I have a subscription through thanks to my public
library), big future, or other college finders. 

Also, a book I would recommend, even if you are not a b student is b+grades,
a application. I found this book extremely helpful. 

If your guidance counselor is approachable, I would recommend trying to set
up an appointment. 
Also, the PSAT is a little under a month away (October 15th for me) so if
you are not registered and don't have college board accomidations approved,
I would recommend getting those done ASAP and trying to get a braille
practice test or some other review materials. 

HTH

-----Original Message-----
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nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:30 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start

Hi Everyone,
  I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or worring, to
be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields I want
to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the country,
but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges and deciding
which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I don't want to be
behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
Thanks,
Precious

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From gopgirl73 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 00:29:14 2014
From: gopgirl73 at gmail.com (Sofia Gallo)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:29:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
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I used the Big future website to narrow down in terms of major, size,
location, etc. Then I looked at other "statistics" that were important
to me like graduation and retention rates, and then I looked into the
specific websites of the schools that were left on the list. Comments
from students on the Princeton review also helped. When looking at a
college website I looked at if there were student groups I was
interested in, department websites, etc. Then I did more research such
as through the Princeton Review to try to learn a little about the
environment of each school. When I had about 15, I just visited. But
again, everyone has different priorities so it is hard to generalize a
search process.

Sofia

On 9/22/14, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Precious,
>
> I am basically in the same situation as you right now. First as others have
> suggested, if you tell us what you are interested in, don't want to go, and
> where you do want to go (if you have a preference), we may be able to give
> you contacts to talk to.
> What I have done to start my list of schools is to google accredited
> socialwork schools in Kentucky. If you are considering teaching or
> something
> with accreditation this may help you; if not, then you could use tools like
> career cruise (which I have a subscription through thanks to my public
> library), big future, or other college finders.
>
> Also, a book I would recommend, even if you are not a b student is
> b+grades,
> a application. I found this book extremely helpful.
>
> If your guidance counselor is approachable, I would recommend trying to set
> up an appointment.
> Also, the PSAT is a little under a month away (October 15th for me) so if
> you are not registered and don't have college board accomidations approved,
> I would recommend getting those done ASAP and trying to get a braille
> practice test or some other review materials.
>
> HTH
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Precious via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:30 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] where to start
>
> Hi Everyone,
>   I just started junior year, and I've been thinking about, or worring, to
> be more accurate, about college hunting.  I already know what fields I want
> to major in and have an idea of places I don't want to go in the country,
> but I don't know where or how to begin looking for colleges and deciding
> which ones have the best programs I'm interested in.  I don't want to be
> behind when it comes time to apply.  Do you have any tips?
> Thanks,
> Precious
>
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Tue Sep 23 00:56:53 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 20:56:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW:  help with more college stuff
Message-ID: <000001cfd6c9$442d1710$cc874530$@net>

I thought this went trough earlier,but it didn't. Ayway, here is my respose. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Lillie Pennington [mailto:lilliepennington at fuse.net] 
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:24 PM
To: 'Liliya Asadullina'
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff

Hi Everyone, 

Thanks for all of the good advice so far. 

My counselor emailed me today saying she could meet me on Wednesday, so we'll see if that happens and how it goes. 
Calling the admissions people and dss people are good ideas which I will take advantage of. Do you think they would be able to tell me about public transportation opportunities in those cities and what is near the university, or would someone else have a better reference for that? 

I am doing a lot of this this myself because although I feel that my parents do support me, they kind of want me to go to a school that is closer to my house; so if I do the work and find the perfect school and can justify why it is important then I am more likely to gain their support. 

I do plan to go to the fair on Wednesday. 

For those who asked, I am writing my college list in this email. 

1. University of Kentucky
2. Eastern Kentucky University
3. University of Louisville
4. Kentucky State University
5. Spalding University
6. Northern Kentucky University
7. College of Mount St. Joseph (although I think it may be Mount St. Joseph University now. 
8. Miami University
9. Capital University

Thanks again

-----Original Message-----
From: Liliya Asadullina [mailto:lily2011a at gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:35 AM
To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Lillie Pennington
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff

Hi Lillie,
I agree with everyone's great ideas  here. It will not hurt to check out the fair. You don't have to stay the whole time either. You should definitely work on scheduling an appointment with your guidance councilor. Have your list of colleges prepared and ranked from the top schools you'd like to attend to the ones you are not very sure about.
Also, call each schools disabillities office and find out how accomidating they are. Also, talking to an admissions councilor is a wonderful idea as well as asking the admissions councilor if they can connect you with a student that goes there to whom you could speak with. Getting insight from a student that attends that college is always beneficial as well.
I know how you feel, I've been in your shoes 4 years ago. I went crazy my senior year of high school and applied to 16 different schools. So the more you can narrow down yor list of where you want to go, the better and easier it will be for you to decide. I would also suggest checking out the schools course catalog to make sure that they have the major that you are looking to pursue.
Hope this helps some.
Feel free to email me with other questions at: Lily1127 at me.com All the best to you!
Liliya

On 9/21/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Lillie,
>
> I think the best thing you could do is find some people in the
> field(s) you want to go into and ask them about the reputations of the 
> schools you're considering.  If you're planning on going to grad 
> school, where you go to undergrad really doesn't matter, but if you're 
> planning on stopping with a bachelor's, it's important to find out how 
> potential employers will view the fact that you got a degree from a 
> given school.  As others have said, I definitely think you should go 
> to the fair unless it's massively problematic to do so.  More 
> information can't hurt, and at least you'll get to talk to three of 
> the schools on your list.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:36:54 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
>
>
> I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September 
> 12th to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an 
> appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the 
> colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I 
> could make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college 
> fair on this Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would 
> get back with me next week (in today's  terms last week.)
>
> She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that 
> meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled 
> it for Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my 
> teacher (who she had contacted) that she would email me. I have not 
> received any email from her, and the college fair is in three days.
>
> Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently 
> considering will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there 
> are not really my first choices. I do not know what to do and if I 
> should go to the fair or not. I need to explore other ways of meeting 
> these colleges in person, and I was hoping to get a gage of which 
> colleges I should visit first (since their a fair distance away from 
> me so I have to plan a bit.)
>
> I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 03:59:13 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:59:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
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Hi all,

I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship I
have is there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was my
thinking before I realized that these changes were made and it would
take forever for me to just get the print copies of the books so I
could exchange my receits for the text files the DS office had done
well in advance of the school year.  I did end up buying one book from
Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to next semester and next
year, I think I should have the right to use my book scholarship and
get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who qualified for
it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests way in
advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the books
done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.

I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue paying
in advance for any print copies which don't come in due to bookstore
error when the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have no
problem with paying via my scholarship, and look at it this way; if I
pay for the book and never actually pick up the print copy, that's one
more they have in their stock so its a win win situation.  I'm just
shocked that the DS office didn't say something before I did.  I told
them back in the first and second weeks of school the issues I was
having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure I was still able
to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards putting more
than a bandaid on the problem.

I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on campus to
discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on certain
things, but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes to
confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who go to
the DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out
there, so I'm not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a great
idea that could be really awesome if carried out though.

On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on Amazon
> and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you required
> to buy books on campus?
> Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
> Arielle
>
> On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kaiti,
>>
>> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain loudly;
>> full
>>
>> time professors have committee meetings and those working there years
>> have
>> power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>>
>> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably half
>> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a store person
>> to
>>
>> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for them.
>> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
>> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they can get me
>> alternative format books.
>>
>> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you already did.
>> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. Order
>> from
>>
>> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
>> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant sections.
>> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
>> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
>> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you can buy
>> their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  often
>> bought
>>
>> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus with you
>> to
>>
>> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I was,
>> those
>>
>> were often around bulletin boards.
>>
>>
>> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with
>> disablities
>>
>> to
>> speak up about this.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>>
>> Hi, NABSters,
>>
>> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm
>> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I
>> might work to change it.
>>
>> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
>> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule
>> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all
>> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
>> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and
>> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my
>> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability
>> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks
>> before school started.  It was a great system.
>>
>> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  Starting
>> with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of a book
>> scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
>> Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
>> students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks per
>> semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy books
>> directly from the university store, where they can essentially get
>> them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to Amazon,
>> Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the first two
>> years the book scholarship program was in place everything worked
>> great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for books,
>> and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they don't have
>> to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too great
>> for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online orders
>> and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on campus to
>> buy their books.
>>
>> This has created several problems for the general campus student
>> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way
>> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the
>> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only
>> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
>> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason
>> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this semester,
>> so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person in the
>> class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
>> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can get
>> their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in either,
>> and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies until
>> the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the bookstore
>> didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate count
>> of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I saw
>> plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
>> trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books that
>> aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk orders the
>> bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had to
>> wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for their
>> classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when their
>> class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient system
>> that isn't working for anyone.
>>
>> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, is
>> that legally the university can't give out the alternative format copy
>> without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my books, I
>> tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  They
>> refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the books
>> up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in advance, even
>> though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some order
>> anyway.
>>
>> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another
>> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 2
>> weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by phone
>> when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other books
>> a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
>> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
>> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked
>> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I
>> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out
>> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
>> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive,
>> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what
>> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was
>> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second
>> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't
>> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
>> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the
>> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to them
>> that the other students in my class who don't have their books will
>> probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are in 2
>> weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I then
>> tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, which
>> I had tried to do with some other books before when I special ordered
>> them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay for the
>> books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it is
>> pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done and to
>> have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not be
>> able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their fault.
>> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still
>> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with
>> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
>> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and
>> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register
>> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could
>> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>>
>> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and
>> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things work
>> for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office hasn't
>> said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has explained the
>> problems related to alternative formats and getting the print copy so
>> we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there are
>> plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format textbooks,
>> but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky wheel.
>> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that
>> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's
>> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a
>> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it
>> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make
>> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats
>> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for
>> everybody.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 23 06:09:57 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:09:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
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Hi all,

I’d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube and hyperlinks.
I’ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating hyperlinks, it seems easy; it’s a matter of selecting the text you want as a link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what to link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your presentation.

So, I’ve learned this.

Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.

Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or embedded objects which are videos?

If so, how?

So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I cannot click on them with the keyboard. 
I rarely use the mouse and I’m not sure my eyes will be able to see and track the mouse arrow to click on anything.

I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.

I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!

Ashley


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 06:59:27 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 02:59:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
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References: <C3217FFF74214D0FA0D27850D7A7708D@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4+s3_yYQpdcnbJN9zwEwN7BQ0s3nMySpuKQADyYXygfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Ashley Bramlett,


I do not use JAWS or any version of JAWS 16 at all but this is an article
from Microsoft that might help answer your questions.

I have attached the link below, if you have any further problems please do
not hesitate to e-mail me off list. I have also asked the question to our
tech division list so they could provide other feedback as well. I hope
thsi helps.

Providing feedback to Microsoft at teh end of teh article with a click on
yes or no is what you have to do after reading the artcile if you want tod
o so.

Here is the link:

Microsoft article for PowerPoint help with JAWS or a screen reader
<http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/powerpoint-help/creating-accessible-powerpoint-presentations-HA102013555.aspx>

Jimmy Hulme
Member of NFB of NJ since 1998
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com




On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I’d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube
> and hyperlinks.
> I’ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating
> hyperlinks, it seems easy; it’s a matter of selecting the text you want as
> a link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what
> to link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in
> youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your
> presentation.
>
> So, I’ve learned this.
>
> Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.
>
> Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or
> embedded objects which are videos?
>
> If so, how?
>
> So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects
> are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your
> hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I
> cannot click on them with the keyboard.
> I rarely use the mouse and I’m not sure my eyes will be able to see and
> track the mouse arrow to click on anything.
>
> I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when
> reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.
>
> I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!
>
> Ashley
>
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 07:48:29 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 03:48:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: help with more college stuff
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Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4hoTm67-B79D_+wkzrZAAhpNnBsEeY=WnMCB+QrLsPgQ@mail.gmail.com>

You might want to try collegetoolkit.com and search and compare each
college on your own in order to find which college to apply to and which is
the best is to attend. I have found that depending on your state i think it
is Kentucky for you you might want to attend a two year community or county
college before you pursue your four-year college. Four-year colleges only
want your money and a bunch of horrid student loans you cannot pay off in
ten years anyways. I am out of college and am still paying my loans off and
I only had wished I had went to a county college or two year college first
before four-year college. One of the reasons might also be is the state can
get to know you and your disability a little more often and quite well
before you attend your four-year college or university. Good luck to you in
your future endeavors in college. Please remember to reach for the stars


You may feel free to email me off list if you have any further questions.

Jimmy Hulme
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Mon, Sep 22, 2014 at 8:56 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> I thought this went trough earlier,but it didn't. Ayway, here is my
> respose.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Lillie Pennington [mailto:lilliepennington at fuse.net]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 4:24 PM
> To: 'Liliya Asadullina'
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
>
> Hi Everyone,
>
> Thanks for all of the good advice so far.
>
> My counselor emailed me today saying she could meet me on Wednesday, so
> we'll see if that happens and how it goes.
> Calling the admissions people and dss people are good ideas which I will
> take advantage of. Do you think they would be able to tell me about public
> transportation opportunities in those cities and what is near the
> university, or would someone else have a better reference for that?
>
> I am doing a lot of this this myself because although I feel that my
> parents do support me, they kind of want me to go to a school that is
> closer to my house; so if I do the work and find the perfect school and can
> justify why it is important then I am more likely to gain their support.
>
> I do plan to go to the fair on Wednesday.
>
> For those who asked, I am writing my college list in this email.
>
> 1. University of Kentucky
> 2. Eastern Kentucky University
> 3. University of Louisville
> 4. Kentucky State University
> 5. Spalding University
> 6. Northern Kentucky University
> 7. College of Mount St. Joseph (although I think it may be Mount St.
> Joseph University now.
> 8. Miami University
> 9. Capital University
>
> Thanks again
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Liliya Asadullina [mailto:lily2011a at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 10:35 AM
> To: Karl Martin Adam; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Lillie Pennington
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
>
> Hi Lillie,
> I agree with everyone's great ideas  here. It will not hurt to check out
> the fair. You don't have to stay the whole time either. You should
> definitely work on scheduling an appointment with your guidance councilor.
> Have your list of colleges prepared and ranked from the top schools you'd
> like to attend to the ones you are not very sure about.
> Also, call each schools disabillities office and find out how accomidating
> they are. Also, talking to an admissions councilor is a wonderful idea as
> well as asking the admissions councilor if they can connect you with a
> student that goes there to whom you could speak with. Getting insight from
> a student that attends that college is always beneficial as well.
> I know how you feel, I've been in your shoes 4 years ago. I went crazy my
> senior year of high school and applied to 16 different schools. So the more
> you can narrow down yor list of where you want to go, the better and easier
> it will be for you to decide. I would also suggest checking out the schools
> course catalog to make sure that they have the major that you are looking
> to pursue.
> Hope this helps some.
> Feel free to email me with other questions at: Lily1127 at me.com All the
> best to you!
> Liliya
>
> On 9/21/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi Lillie,
> >
> > I think the best thing you could do is find some people in the
> > field(s) you want to go into and ask them about the reputations of the
> > schools you're considering.  If you're planning on going to grad
> > school, where you go to undergrad really doesn't matter, but if you're
> > planning on stopping with a bachelor's, it's important to find out how
> > potential employers will view the fact that you got a degree from a
> > given school.  As others have said, I definitely think you should go
> > to the fair unless it's massively problematic to do so.  More
> > information can't hurt, and at least you'll get to talk to three of
> > the schools on your list.
> >
> >  ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Sun, 21 Sep 2014 17:36:54 -0400
> > Subject: [nabs-l] help with more college stuff
> >
> > Hi Everyone,
> >
> >
> >
> > I am having a bit of a delemma here. A couple of  weeks ago (September
> > 12th to be exact), I emailed my guidance counselor about setting up an
> > appointment to talk about colleges. I wanted to get her opinion if the
> > colleges that I was considering would really be a good fit for me so I
> > could make plans on which colleges to talk to at my districts college
> > fair on this Wednesday, the 24th. She emailed me and said she would
> > get back with me next week (in today's  terms last week.)
> >
> > She later emailed me and told me last Thursday. She then canceled that
> > meeting because of college visits and class meetings. She rescheduled
> > it for Friday, and then canceled again right before and told my
> > teacher (who she had contacted) that she would email me. I have not
> > received any email from her, and the college fair is in three days.
> >
> > Complicating matters, 5 of the 8 colleges that I am currently
> > considering will not be at the fair, and the ones that will be there
> > are not really my first choices. I do not know what to do and if I
> > should go to the fair or not. I need to explore other ways of meeting
> > these colleges in person, and I was hoping to get a gage of which
> > colleges I should visit first (since their a fair distance away from
> > me so I have to plan a bit.)
> >
> > I really do not know what to do now so any help would be appreciated.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 15:02:40 2014
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
Message-ID: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011@gmail.com>

Hi All,

I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?

Thanks,
Jordyn

From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Sep 23 16:42:37 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:42:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Maintenance
Message-ID: <8D1A56484B3F7EA-FB8-8CB3@webmail-vm116.sysops.aol.com>

Hello all,
For those of you who use BrailleNote Apex regularly for school and 
other daily functions, how often do you send your device in for 
maintenance and/or repair?
Humanware located in Canada is the only place we can get the service, 
right?
When the device is away for maintenance/repair, what is your back-up 
strategy?
I have received a BrailleNote Apex in the summer of 2013 from the 
Department of Rehab in my state. So far it's functioning well but I 
want to make sure I do my best to maintain it. As school is just 
starting up for me again I won't be able to send it in any time soon 
but I am trying to plan it ahead if getting it checked and cleaned is 
beneficial for the long term use of the device.
Best,
Miso Kwak




From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 16:45:30 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:45:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Maintenance
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My backup strategy has usually been to use my laptop.
LuckallyI had only needed to send mine in 1 or 2 times during high school,
and at least1 such time was really close to either spring break or
Winter break, so I just sent it in then and it was returned by the
time I was back in school.



On 9/23/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello all,
> For those of you who use BrailleNote Apex regularly for school and
> other daily functions, how often do you send your device in for
> maintenance and/or repair?
> Humanware located in Canada is the only place we can get the service,
> right?
> When the device is away for maintenance/repair, what is your back-up
> strategy?
> I have received a BrailleNote Apex in the summer of 2013 from the
> Department of Rehab in my state. So far it's functioning well but I
> want to make sure I do my best to maintain it. As school is just
> starting up for me again I won't be able to send it in any time soon
> but I am trying to plan it ahead if getting it checked and cleaned is
> beneficial for the long term use of the device.
> Best,
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 16:49:17 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:49:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
Message-ID: <5421a4ac.0878320a.6877.ffff8aad@mx.google.com>

Hi Kaiti and all,

I would imagine DSS wouldn't want to give you contact information 
for their students, but I wonder if they would be willing to 
forward an e-mail to their list of students?  Perhaps you could 
also just start a group and advertize for it.  At my school 
student organizations get websites, so when people look for 
groups to get involved with, it's pretty easy to find them.

Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:59:13 -0400
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems

Hi all,

I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship 
I
have is there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was 
my
thinking before I realized that these changes were made and it 
would
take forever for me to just get the print copies of the books so 
I
could exchange my receits for the text files the DS office had 
done
well in advance of the school year.  I did end up buying one book 
from
Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to next semester and next
year, I think I should have the right to use my book scholarship 
and
get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who qualified 
for
it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests way 
in
advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the 
books
done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.

I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue 
paying
in advance for any print copies which don't come in due to 
bookstore
error when the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have 
no
problem with paying via my scholarship, and look at it this way; 
if I
pay for the book and never actually pick up the print copy, 
that's one
more they have in their stock so its a win win situation.  I'm 
just
shocked that the DS office didn't say something before I did.  I 
told
them back in the first and second weeks of school the issues I 
was
having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure I was still 
able
to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards putting 
more
than a bandaid on the problem.

I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on 
campus to
discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on 
certain
things, but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes 
to
confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who 
go to
the DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out
there, so I'm not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a 
great
idea that could be really awesome if carried out though.

On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Hi Kaiti,
 Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on 
Amazon
 and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you 
required
 to buy books on campus?
 Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
 Arielle

 On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:
 Kaiti,

 That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain 
loudly;
 full

 time professors have committee meetings and those working there 
years
 have
 power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.

 What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably 
half
 accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a 
store person
 to

 walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for 
them.
 then, the last step I do is the same as you.
 I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they 
can get me
 alternative format books.

 In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you 
already did.
 For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. 
Order
 from

 amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
 You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant 
sections.
 You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
 The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
 Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you 
can buy
 their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  
often
 bought

 used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus 
with you
 to

 look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I 
was,
 those

 were often around bulletin boards.


 In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with
 disablities

 to
 speak up about this.

 Good luck!

 Ashley
 -----Original Message-----
 From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
 Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems

 Hi, NABSters,

 I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and 
I'm
 wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to 
how I
 might work to change it.

 Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance 
online.
 The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my 
schedule
 on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure 
all
 the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
 packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, 
and
 since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed 
my
 orders online, I could just forward it right away to my 
disability
 services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books 
weeks
 before school started.  It was a great system.

 However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  
Starting
 with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of 
a book
 scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
 Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
 students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks 
per
 semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy 
books
 directly from the university store, where they can essentially 
get
 them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to 
Amazon,
 Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the 
first two
 years the book scholarship program was in place everything 
worked
 great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for 
books,
 and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they 
don't have
 to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too 
great
 for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online 
orders
 and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on 
campus to
 buy their books.

 This has created several problems for the general campus student
 without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the 
way
 professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so 
the
 bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and 
only
 ordered enough books for one section of his class when he 
teaches two.
 Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some 
reason
 the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this 
semester,
 so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person 
in the
 class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
 Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone 
can get
 their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in 
either,
 and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies 
until
 the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the 
bookstore
 didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate 
count
 of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I 
saw
 plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
 trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books 
that
 aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk 
orders the
 bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had 
to
 wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for 
their
 classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when 
their
 class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient 
system
 that isn't working for anyone.

 The problem for me, and other students who get alternative 
formats, is
 that legally the university can't give out the alternative 
format copy
 without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my 
books, I
 tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  
They
 refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the 
books
 up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in 
advance, even
 though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some 
order
 anyway.

 Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on 
another
 book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had 
placed 2
 weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by 
phone
 when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other 
books
 a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along 
with
 the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about 
those
 other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I 
checked
 in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This 
time I
 was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure 
out
 what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
 there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would 
receive,
 so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about 
what
 was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order 
was
 automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the 
second
 edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press 
didn't
 tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
 supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what 
the
 bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned 
to them
 that the other students in my class who don't have their books 
will
 probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are 
in 2
 weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I 
then
 tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, 
which
 I had tried to do with some other books before when I special 
ordered
 them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay 
for the
 books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it 
is
 pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done 
and to
 have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not 
be
 able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their 
fault.
 Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are 
still
 having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people 
with
 alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
 else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager 
and
 explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a 
register
 and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I 
could
 have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.

 The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, 
and
 apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how 
things work
 for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office 
hasn't
 said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has 
explained the
 problems related to alternative formats and getting the print 
copy so
 we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there 
are
 plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format 
textbooks,
 but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky 
wheel.
 The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now 
that
 I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook 
manager's
 name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is 
a
 bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like 
for it
 to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would 
make
 it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative 
formats
 would make the system more like what it was, and therefore 
easier for
 everybody.

 Thoughts?
 --
 Kaiti


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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 23 18:47:12 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:47:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e4+s3_yYQpdcnbJN9zwEwN7BQ0s3nMySpuKQADyYXygfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C3217FFF74214D0FA0D27850D7A7708D@OwnerPC>
	<CAKMC2e4+s3_yYQpdcnbJN9zwEwN7BQ0s3nMySpuKQADyYXygfQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Jimmy,
Thanks. This answers some of my questions. I’m still wondering if jaws will recognize embedded videos.
If it does not, how can I access the video? I thought about copying and pasting the URL of the video, but then this requires internet access to click on it and watch. This may or may not happen depending on where I am.
Another idea can be to download the video and just click on the file separately rather than being in a powerpoint. 
I don’t know how to download  youtube videos though.

Thanks for any advice.

Ashley

From: James Hulme 
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:59 AM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
Cc: New Jersey Technology Division 
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos

Hello Ashley Bramlett, 


I do not use JAWS or any version of JAWS 16 at all but this is an article from Microsoft that might help answer your questions.

I have attached the link below, if you have any further problems please do not hesitate to e-mail me off list. I have also asked the question to our tech division list so they could provide other feedback as well. I hope thsi helps.

Providing feedback to Microsoft at teh end of teh article with a click on yes or no is what you have to do after reading the artcile if you want tod o so. 

Here is the link:

Microsoft article for PowerPoint help with JAWS or a screen reader


Jimmy Hulme
Member of NFB of NJ since 1998
908-868-2836 (Mobile)
jim.hulme at gmail.com 




On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

  Hi all,

  I’d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube and hyperlinks.
  I’ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating hyperlinks, it seems easy; it’s a matter of selecting the text you want as a link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what to link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your presentation.

  So, I’ve learned this.

  Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.

  Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or embedded objects which are videos?

  If so, how?

  So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I cannot click on them with the keyboard.
  I rarely use the mouse and I’m not sure my eyes will be able to see and track the mouse arrow to click on anything.

  I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.

  I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!

  Ashley

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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 19:22:01 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:22:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
Message-ID: <5421c887.4f0ce00a.4cca.ffffdceb@mx.google.com>

I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a 
bit pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible 
calculator has nearly the array of features of this one. Also, 
can't you get your school (assuming you're in high school) or voc
rehab to buy the Orion for you?
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator

Hi All,

I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics 
for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the 
one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any 
apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?

Thanks,
Jordyn
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Tue Sep 23 19:27:56 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:27:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
In-Reply-To: <5421c887.4f0ce00a.4cca.ffffdceb@mx.google.com>
References: <5421c887.4f0ce00a.4cca.ffffdceb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <C5C5F849-BDCE-4F97-AD6A-DFA94BCCE645@aol.com>

Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to purchase me a Calculator.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school (assuming you're in high school) or voc
> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 19:33:08 2014
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:33:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
In-Reply-To: <C5C5F849-BDCE-4F97-AD6A-DFA94BCCE645@aol.com>
References: <5421c887.4f0ce00a.4cca.ffffdceb@mx.google.com>
	<C5C5F849-BDCE-4F97-AD6A-DFA94BCCE645@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e5Wq_d-uy4g=aiAn-GdKsa7AayA_zjVsNvudvPYvpGKPw@mail.gmail.com>

*Hi Miso Kwak, *

*For your information here are the features for the Orion TI-84 calculator
from APH. *


*Features:*

• Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible
tone.
• Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and
axis crossing points.
• Scroll the history of calculations and quickly recall and edit
input/output.
• Choose how to view calculations on screen: as decimals or fractions.
• Matrix functions and calculations.
• Amazing list of scientific, statistical, and financial functions.
• Superb synthesized speech (FonixTalk™ from SpeechFX™) with choice of
voices, speech rates, and pitch.
• Listen using stereo earphones or built-in stereo speakers.
• Full key help mode, which describes all keys, including 2nd and Alpha
functions, without losing your work position.
• Temporary mute mode for teacher/student interaction.
• Use the screen reader to review the screen without losing your place.
• Full access to all menus, expressions, text, and symbols displayed on the
screen.
• Expandable hardware accessories using USB port.
• Connect to your computer via USB cable to print or emboss graphs and
other work (requires a printer or embosser and a PC).
• LCD display and keypad functionality are identical to the standard TI-84
Plus.

Hope that helps.

Jimmy Hulme
908-868-2836 (Mobile) (New Jersey)
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
> I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to
> purchase me a Calculator.
> Thanks
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit
> pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has
> nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school
> (assuming you're in high school) or voc
> > rehab to buy the Orion for you?
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> >
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for
> Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH?
> I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that
> are decent scientific calculators?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Jordyn
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Tue Sep 23 19:50:20 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:50:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e5Wq_d-uy4g=aiAn-GdKsa7AayA_zjVsNvudvPYvpGKPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5421c887.4f0ce00a.4cca.ffffdceb@mx.google.com>
	<C5C5F849-BDCE-4F97-AD6A-DFA94BCCE645@aol.com>
	<CAKMC2e5Wq_d-uy4g=aiAn-GdKsa7AayA_zjVsNvudvPYvpGKPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6283B280-F42B-4582-8FA3-CE03FBD920A1@fuse.net>

I have the TI 84 from a pH and think it is a very worthwhile investment.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> *Hi Miso Kwak, *
> 
> *For your information here are the features for the Orion TI-84 calculator
> from APH. *
> 
> 
> *Features:*
> 
> • Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible
> tone.
> • Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and
> axis crossing points.
> • Scroll the history of calculations and quickly recall and edit
> input/output.
> • Choose how to view calculations on screen: as decimals or fractions.
> • Matrix functions and calculations.
> • Amazing list of scientific, statistical, and financial functions.
> • Superb synthesized speech (FonixTalk™ from SpeechFX™) with choice of
> voices, speech rates, and pitch.
> • Listen using stereo earphones or built-in stereo speakers.
> • Full key help mode, which describes all keys, including 2nd and Alpha
> functions, without losing your work position.
> • Temporary mute mode for teacher/student interaction.
> • Use the screen reader to review the screen without losing your place.
> • Full access to all menus, expressions, text, and symbols displayed on the
> screen.
> • Expandable hardware accessories using USB port.
> • Connect to your computer via USB cable to print or emboss graphs and
> other work (requires a printer or embosser and a PC).
> • LCD display and keypad functionality are identical to the standard TI-84
> Plus.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Jimmy Hulme
> 908-868-2836 (Mobile) (New Jersey)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
>> I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to
>> purchase me a Calculator.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit
>> pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has
>> nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school
>> (assuming you're in high school) or voc
>>> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org


From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 23:37:16 2014
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:37:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are Accessible to Manage
Message-ID: <009501cfd787$5284deb0$f78e9c10$@gmail.com>

Hello: 

 

Although I know this is the Student's list, I thought someone would have
ideas or experience on the subject of this posting. I'm trying to create
several professional e-mail groups for various organizations I belong too.
When I first tried making a Google group I was not happy. I know Google has
made strides towards accessibility in their product line, but they aren't
convenient solutions for someone with as much love for computers as me. 

 

 

Kind regards,

 

 

 

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From gpaikens at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 23:40:45 2014
From: gpaikens at gmail.com (Greg Aikens)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:40:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
In-Reply-To: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011@gmail.com>
References: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <03048C9B-1B4F-4B7B-A1F8-9548168977F9@gmail.com>

If you are going into an engineering or mathematics field that will use a graphing calculator consistently, I would think this would be a good investment of Voc Rehab money, or your own if you have to. I have seen it demonstrated and really wish I had something like it in high school and college to complete my calculus and advanced math courses. 

On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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From programmer651 at comcast.net  Tue Sep 23 23:46:46 2014
From: programmer651 at comcast.net (Tyler)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:46:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are Accessible
	to	Manage
Message-ID: <20140923234645.12084.66176.levelstar.mail@everest>

It's gotta be a freelists.org mailing list for a blind person. Easy forum to get a list 
going (they have to approve you and make sure the list is appropriate), the list URL will let you log 
into your list and change settings, and some settings can be changed rather from the request prompt. Easy as pie!
Tyler Z
On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:37:16 -0400, Zach Mason via nabs-l wrote:


>Hello: 
>
>
>
>Although I know this is the Student's list, I thought someone would have
>ideas or experience on the subject of this posting. I'm trying to create
>several professional e-mail groups for various organizations I belong too.
>When I first tried making a Google group I was not happy. I know Google has
>made strides towards accessibility in their product line, but they aren't
>convenient solutions for someone with as much love for computers as me. 
>
>
>
>
>
>Kind regards,
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Zachary Mason
>
>Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>
>Northwinds Farm
>
>(603) 922-8377 Work
>
>(603) 991-6747 Cell
>
><mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 
>
>
>
>806 U.S. Route 3
>
>North Stratford, NH 03590
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 23:51:00 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:51:00 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
In-Reply-To: <4DDF6893DF6E45B2B57DDE7561D31F12@OwnerPC>
References: <C3217FFF74214D0FA0D27850D7A7708D@OwnerPC>
	<CAKMC2e4+s3_yYQpdcnbJN9zwEwN7BQ0s3nMySpuKQADyYXygfQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<4DDF6893DF6E45B2B57DDE7561D31F12@OwnerPC>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCLEtspH65YjA3x8uvJF8VTZZRCjSCge-1yyw8G84J9zQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Ashley,
When I used videos in my teaching, I had a reader help me download
them from Youtube as .mp4 media files. I'm not sure if the process for
doing that is accessible or not. After downloading, I inserted them
into my slide by selecting media under the insert ribbon. Once the
video was in, when I viewed the presentation in slide show mode, the
video would auto-play. I had to click a setting during the insert
process to make this happen.
Best,
Arielle

On 9/23/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Jimmy,
> Thanks. This answers some of my questions. I’m still wondering if jaws will
> recognize embedded videos.
> If it does not, how can I access the video? I thought about copying and
> pasting the URL of the video, but then this requires internet access to
> click on it and watch. This may or may not happen depending on where I am.
> Another idea can be to download the video and just click on the file
> separately rather than being in a powerpoint.
> I don’t know how to download  youtube videos though.
>
> Thanks for any advice.
>
> Ashley
>
> From: James Hulme
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:59 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: New Jersey Technology Division
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
>
> Hello Ashley Bramlett,
>
>
> I do not use JAWS or any version of JAWS 16 at all but this is an article
> from Microsoft that might help answer your questions.
>
> I have attached the link below, if you have any further problems please do
> not hesitate to e-mail me off list. I have also asked the question to our
> tech division list so they could provide other feedback as well. I hope thsi
> helps.
>
> Providing feedback to Microsoft at teh end of teh article with a click on
> yes or no is what you have to do after reading the artcile if you want tod o
> so.
>
> Here is the link:
>
> Microsoft article for PowerPoint help with JAWS or a screen reader
>
>
> Jimmy Hulme
> Member of NFB of NJ since 1998
> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>   Hi all,
>
>   I’d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube
> and hyperlinks.
>   I’ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating
> hyperlinks, it seems easy; it’s a matter of selecting the text you want as a
> link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what to
> link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in
> youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your
> presentation.
>
>   So, I’ve learned this.
>
>   Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.
>
>   Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or
> embedded objects which are videos?
>
>   If so, how?
>
>   So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects
> are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your
> hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I
> cannot click on them with the keyboard.
>   I rarely use the mouse and I’m not sure my eyes will be able to see and
> track the mouse arrow to click on anything.
>
>   I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when
> reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.
>
>   I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!
>
>   Ashley
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 23 23:55:35 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:55:35 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
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Hi Kaiti
If you write up a meeting announcement, somebody at DSS can forward it
to everybody for you. However, it sounds like this problem is
irritating for a lot of students, not just those who use alternative
formats. Why not create a larger group and invite some of your
classmates to join?
It's too bad DSS can't come up with an amendment to their policies
until the bookstore process is straightened out.
Arielle

On 9/23/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti and all,
>
> I would imagine DSS wouldn't want to give you contact information
> for their students, but I wonder if they would be willing to
> forward an e-mail to their list of students?  Perhaps you could
> also just start a group and advertize for it.  At my school
> student organizations get websites, so when people look for
> groups to get involved with, it's pretty easy to find them.
>
> Karl
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:59:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>
> Hi all,
>
> I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship
> I
> have is there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was
> my
> thinking before I realized that these changes were made and it
> would
> take forever for me to just get the print copies of the books so
> I
> could exchange my receits for the text files the DS office had
> done
> well in advance of the school year.  I did end up buying one book
> from
> Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to next semester and next
> year, I think I should have the right to use my book scholarship
> and
> get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who qualified
> for
> it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests way
> in
> advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the
> books
> done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.
>
> I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue
> paying
> in advance for any print copies which don't come in due to
> bookstore
> error when the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have
> no
> problem with paying via my scholarship, and look at it this way;
> if I
> pay for the book and never actually pick up the print copy,
> that's one
> more they have in their stock so its a win win situation.  I'm
> just
> shocked that the DS office didn't say something before I did.  I
> told
> them back in the first and second weeks of school the issues I
> was
> having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure I was still
> able
> to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards putting
> more
> than a bandaid on the problem.
>
> I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on
> campus to
> discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on
> certain
> things, but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes
> to
> confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who
> go to
> the DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out
> there, so I'm not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a
> great
> idea that could be really awesome if carried out though.
>
> On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Hi Kaiti,
>  Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on
> Amazon
>  and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you
> required
>  to buy books on campus?
>  Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
>  Arielle
>
>  On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>  Kaiti,
>
>  That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain
> loudly;
>  full
>
>  time professors have committee meetings and those working there
> years
>  have
>  power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>
>  What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably
> half
>  accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a
> store person
>  to
>
>  walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for
> them.
>  then, the last step I do is the same as you.
>  I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they
> can get me
>  alternative format books.
>
>  In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you
> already did.
>  For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options.
> Order
>  from
>
>  amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
>  You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant
> sections.
>  You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
>  The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
>  Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you
> can buy
>  their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have
> often
>  bought
>
>  used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus
> with you
>  to
>
>  look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I
> was,
>  those
>
>  were often around bulletin boards.
>
>
>  In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with
>  disablities
>
>  to
>  speak up about this.
>
>  Good luck!
>
>  Ashley
>  -----Original Message-----
>  From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>  Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
>  To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>  Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>
>  Hi, NABSters,
>
>  I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and
> I'm
>  wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to
> how I
>  might work to change it.
>
>  Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance
> online.
>  The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my
> schedule
>  on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure
> all
>  the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
>  packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school,
> and
>  since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed
> my
>  orders online, I could just forward it right away to my
> disability
>  services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books
> weeks
>  before school started.  It was a great system.
>
>  However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.
> Starting
>  with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of
> a book
>  scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
>  Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
>  students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks
> per
>  semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy
> books
>  directly from the university store, where they can essentially
> get
>  them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to
> Amazon,
>  Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the
> first two
>  years the book scholarship program was in place everything
> worked
>  great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for
> books,
>  and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they
> don't have
>  to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too
> great
>  for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online
> orders
>  and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on
> campus to
>  buy their books.
>
>  This has created several problems for the general campus student
>  without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the
> way
>  professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so
> the
>  bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and
> only
>  ordered enough books for one section of his class when he
> teaches two.
>  Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some
> reason
>  the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this
> semester,
>  so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person
> in the
>  class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
>  Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone
> can get
>  their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in
> either,
>  and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies
> until
>  the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the
> bookstore
>  didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate
> count
>  of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I
> saw
>  plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
>  trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books
> that
>  aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk
> orders the
>  bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had
> to
>  wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for
> their
>  classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when
> their
>  class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient
> system
>  that isn't working for anyone.
>
>  The problem for me, and other students who get alternative
> formats, is
>  that legally the university can't give out the alternative
> format copy
>  without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my
> books, I
>  tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.
> They
>  refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the
> books
>  up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in
> advance, even
>  though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some
> order
>  anyway.
>
>  Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on
> another
>  book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had
> placed 2
>  weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by
> phone
>  when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other
> books
>  a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along
> with
>  the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about
> those
>  other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I
> checked
>  in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This
> time I
>  was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure
> out
>  what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
>  there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would
> receive,
>  so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about
> what
>  was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order
> was
>  automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the
> second
>  edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press
> didn't
>  tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
>  supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what
> the
>  bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned
> to them
>  that the other students in my class who don't have their books
> will
>  probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are
> in 2
>  weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I
> then
>  tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase,
> which
>  I had tried to do with some other books before when I special
> ordered
>  them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay
> for the
>  books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it
> is
>  pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done
> and to
>  have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not
> be
>  able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their
> fault.
>  Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are
> still
>  having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people
> with
>  alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
>  else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager
> and
>  explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a
> register
>  and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I
> could
>  have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>
>  The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem,
> and
>  apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how
> things work
>  for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office
> hasn't
>  said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has
> explained the
>  problems related to alternative formats and getting the print
> copy so
>  we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there
> are
>  plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format
> textbooks,
>  but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky
> wheel.
>  The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now
> that
>  I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook
> manager's
>  name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is
> a
>  bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like
> for it
>  to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would
> make
>  it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative
> formats
>  would make the system more like what it was, and therefore
> easier for
>  everybody.
>
>  Thoughts?
>  --
>  Kaiti
>
>
>  --
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Sep 24 01:08:41 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:08:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
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Hello Kaiti,

Sounds like there was a systematic lapse of communication between the
college and the professors and the bookstore. I can understand that you
would want to purchase your books from the bookstore if that is the only way
to make use of the book scholarship. However, if you are not able to receive
your textbooks in a timely manner then I would wonder how much the
scholarship is really worth and would consider purchasing your textbooks
somewhere else if you are not able to get them when you need them.

Other people have already suggested other ideas for what to do when you are
not able to obtain your textbook on time. In addition to what has already
been said, I would suggest forming a study group with someone who has a copy
of the textbook if they are in limited supply. You could have the members of
the group take turns reading the textbook aloud while you take notes on what
is being read from the textbook. You could also offer everyone else in the
group a copy of these notes in exchange for reading the textbook aloud for
you. You could even offer to bring some munchies for the study group too.
This way you could still participate in the study group even though you
could not read the textbook aloud to other members of the study group.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:59 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems

Hi all,

I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship I have is
there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was my thinking before I
realized that these changes were made and it would take forever for me to
just get the print copies of the books so I could exchange my receits for
the text files the DS office had done well in advance of the school year.  I
did end up buying one book from Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to
next semester and next year, I think I should have the right to use my book
scholarship and get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who
qualified for it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests
way in advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the books
done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.

I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue paying in
advance for any print copies which don't come in due to bookstore error when
the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have no problem with paying
via my scholarship, and look at it this way; if I pay for the book and never
actually pick up the print copy, that's one more they have in their stock so
its a win win situation.  I'm just shocked that the DS office didn't say
something before I did.  I told them back in the first and second weeks of
school the issues I was having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure
I was still able to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards
putting more than a bandaid on the problem.

I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on campus to
discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on certain things,
but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes to
confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who go to the
DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out there, so I'm
not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a great idea that could be
really awesome if carried out though.

On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on Amazon 
> and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you required 
> to buy books on campus?
> Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
> Arielle
>
> On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Kaiti,
>>
>> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain 
>> loudly; full
>>
>> time professors have committee meetings and those working there years 
>> have power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>>
>> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably half 
>> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a store 
>> person to
>>
>> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for them.
>> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
>> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they can get 
>> me alternative format books.
>>
>> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you already did.
>> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. 
>> Order from
>>
>> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
>> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant sections.
>> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
>> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
>> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you can 
>> buy their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  
>> often bought
>>
>> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus with 
>> you to
>>
>> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I was, 
>> those
>>
>> were often around bulletin boards.
>>
>>
>> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with 
>> disablities
>>
>> to
>> speak up about this.
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>>
>> Hi, NABSters,
>>
>> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm 
>> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I 
>> might work to change it.
>>
>> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
>> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule 
>> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all 
>> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be 
>> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and 
>> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my 
>> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability 
>> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks 
>> before school started.  It was a great system.
>>
>> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  
>> Starting with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage 
>> of a book scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S 
>> Dept of Education grant the school received, and allows for 
>> qualifying students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on 
>> textbooks per semester for four years.  This has encouraged more 
>> people to buy books directly from the university store, where they 
>> can essentially get them for free or for significantly less, rather 
>> than go to Amazon, Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I 
>> guess for the first two years the book scholarship program was in 
>> place everything worked great, but now with three classes of students 
>> qualifying for books, and most of the people wanting to not spend 
>> money when they don't have to open their wallets, the bookstore 
>> decided the demand was too great for the man-power they had, so they 
>> stopped accepting online orders and now have everyone come to the 
>> bookstore once they're on campus to buy their books.
>>
>> This has created several problems for the general campus student 
>> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way 
>> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the 
>> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only 
>> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
>> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason 
>> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this 
>> semester, so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One 
>> person in the class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone
else.
>> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can 
>> get their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in 
>> either, and the professor just decided to loan out her personal 
>> copies until the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because 
>> the bookstore didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an 
>> accurate count of how many books they would need to order for each 
>> class.  I saw plenty of students in the special order line when I was 
>> in there trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books 
>> that aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk 
>> orders the bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students 
>> have had to wait for books to come in, have had to special order 
>> things for their classes, and professors have needed to postpone 
>> assignments when their class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a 
>> less-efficient system that isn't working for anyone.
>>
>> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, 
>> is that legally the university can't give out the alternative format 
>> copy without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my 
>> books, I tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my 
>> order.  They refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I 
>> picked the books up and paid for them then.  They would not let me 
>> pay in advance, even though sooner or later I would pay for and get 
>> the book in some order anyway.
>>
>> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another 
>> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 
>> 2 weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by 
>> phone when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other 
>> books a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
>> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
>> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked 
>> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I 
>> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out 
>> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip 
>> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive, 
>> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what 
>> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was 
>> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second 
>> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't 
>> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am 
>> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the 
>> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to 
>> them that the other students in my class who don't have their books 
>> will probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are 
>> in 2 weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I 
>> then tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, 
>> which I had tried to do with some other books before when I special 
>> ordered them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me 
>> pay for the books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them 
>> that it is pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books 
>> done and to have put all the time into converting them, and for them 
>> to not be able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their
fault.
>> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still 
>> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with 
>> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone 
>> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and 
>> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register 
>> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could 
>> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>>
>> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and 
>> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things 
>> work for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office 
>> hasn't said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has 
>> explained the problems related to alternative formats and getting the 
>> print copy so we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know 
>> there are plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format 
>> textbooks, but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky
wheel.
>> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that 
>> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's 
>> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a 
>> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it 
>> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make 
>> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats 
>> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for 
>> everybody.
>>
>> Thoughts?
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
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From kd8qiq at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 02:37:32 2014
From: kd8qiq at gmail.com (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
In-Reply-To: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011@gmail.com>
References: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALh+v0anpwZs6K-goLUHVcuYgLjDBfDrbegfYdOMV_=B8LFYjg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Jordyn,
I use the TI84+ for the algebra 2 class, and I used it for the
geometry class I took last year, its definatly well worth the 600.
Wile I don't know how to use  the more advanced capabilities of it, it
is still worth the investment.

HTH

On 9/23/14, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for
> Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I
> think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are
> decent scientific calculators?
>
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 02:54:24 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
Message-ID: <54223265.a52f460a.440f.ffffa9eb@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to with early action 
and the rest for regular action.
Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it? If you did, did you 
have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to your advantage?
Thanks for any input.
Vejas


From kevinchao89 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 06:09:55 2014
From: kevinchao89 at gmail.com (Kevin Chao)
Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:09:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
In-Reply-To: <CAFPgekP2cnKSGYmnb-e=CQzRUn_QUsrE3BvP-S56QTgMup2_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <0NBR00COI9KZF600@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
	<CAFPgekP2cnKSGYmnb-e=CQzRUn_QUsrE3BvP-S56QTgMup2_Vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFPgekNQjHcEcv5rwBpYx_H1Fx3NP4fa2HHh8LuP-V1En6SyjA@mail.gmail.com>

The Chao Train and Accessibility Internet Rally (OpenAIR)
http://chaosat.wordpress.com/
September 17, 2014
On 9/7/14, The Chao Train was formally launch. My role is
Volunteer/Community Coordinator.
What is it?
"non-profit skills-based donation service -- all experience from Kevin Chao's:
IDAW accessibility firm;
and PMI mobile stabilization stand hardware 2.0.
These two businesses have been integrated and are core-values in our
organization...
Chao Train has expertise in delivering world class Mobile OCR training
and skills in alt media support!!!
These 2 services are absolutely free to anyone who is blind or
visually impaired..."
ON September 16, at 9:04 AM, I received a phone call from Sharron Rush
(Executive Director @Knowbility). Sharron provided this wonderful
endorsement:
"He is a brilliant technologist and successful entrepreneur who is
interested in Knowbility and our mission."
Rush connected me with: Jessica Looney, Community Programs Manager.
The action item was the following:
"Thanks to you both, I am excited to have Kevin on the AIR advisers
and look forward to introducing him to the others this evening."
Jessica informed me "that OpenAIR are in need of a chair for the
mentoring committee".
I responded with:
"I would be honored and privileged to serve as Chair for OpenAIR
Mentoring Committee. I appreciate you asking me about this wonderful
opportunity..."


On 9/12/14, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Kevin Chao Has Arrived At His Destination
> September 10, 2014
> It's about time that I can finally say that my life feels complete...
> I have retired twice at the age of 24. I invested a lot of energy into
> academia and the financial services, spent lots of energy at an
> educational institution and in the banking world; in July 2014, I took
> out my 401K and pension plans from the University System of Georgia
> and JPMorgan Chase.
> I am engaged with the love of my life with a glamorous house, fancy
> cars, animals as babies...
> All American blonde (French, Irish, and Swedish) woman;
> 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, spacious front/backyards;
> Mercedes E350, Mitsubishi Eclipse;
> Exotic Australian Bird and Poodle/Shih Tzu/Maltez dogs;
> And, we will get married on 10/17/14, exactly a quarter-of-a-century
> after the big earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area...
> ON September 8, 2014, I formed my own not-for-profit organization,
> which is in academia, an educational campaign, an awareness effort for
> those of us who are blind/visually impaired...
>
> On 9/11/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
>> Hi Kevin,
>>
>> Wow, really nice story! It does seem that you've been through a
>> lot in the past 6 years.
>>
>> Wow, you've actually been to China? That's cool.  I've never been
>> all the way over there, but would love to go some day and see how
>> it is.
>>
>> How was that Skype conference you were talking about? That's
>> really awesome that you got to travel around the world, which is
>> also one of my dreams :)
>>
>> Good luck with all your future endeavors.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Sami.
>>
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kevin Chao via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:29:47 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
>>
>> Resurrecting Kevin's Blog After Six Years...
>> August 14, 2014
>> The Summer of 2008 is when my cousin, Michell Gip experimented
>> with
>> Beike Biotech and went in for treatment for an entire month in
>> Qingdao.  In May 2009, I went to China to make myself a test
>> subject
>> for stem cell therapy.  This was an attempt to create a solution
>> for a
>> problem that I experienced when I was 14.  A decade ago, three of
>> my
>> cousin's (10 years old girl, 5 YO boy, and 12 YO boy) on my
>> mother
>> side of the family, and I were diagnosed with: Leber hereditary
>> optic
>> neuropathy (LHON).
>> Since October, 2009, I had Twitter.com/KevinChao89 and handed the
>> Twitter account over to my significant other in June 2014.  Our
>> joint-personal Twitter handle is: https://twitter.com/janicem2020
>> and
>> our business handle is: https://twitter.com/probizmgmt
>> On 10/1/12, I was ask to RSVP - Skype Closed Beta Days 2012.
>> Below is the letter I received:
>> "Dear Beta Tester,
>> Every year we honour those members of our beta test team who have
>> excelled in their participation to join us for a two day
>> technical
>> conference and meet people from all over the globe.
>> We are deeply thankful for your contribution to Skype Beta
>> Program
>> during 2012.  And you are cordially invited to 2012 Skype Beta
>> Days.
>> Skype will cover all your travel cost (air flight, hotel) for the
>> event attendance.
>> Event Details
>> Place : Prague, Czech Republic
>> Venue: Radisson Blu, Prague
>> Date: Nov 14 -16"
>> In November, 2012, After working at the Georgia Institute of
>> Technology (job title: Accessibility and Quality Control
>> Specialist)
>> in Atlanta, I founded Inclusive Digital Accessibility World.  IDA
>> WORLD
>> is your accessibility consultant providing audits, quality
>> assurance
>> evaluations, and trainings for small businesses, large
>> enterprises,
>> and people with disabilities.
>> Biz Clients: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Skype, CourseSmart,
>> MailChimp,
>> My Blind Spot, Pro Money Image, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase & Co.,
>> Braille
>> Works, RSA Security Management, etc.
>> Business Partners: Janice Messier, Lyft, Uber, Michaels Arts &
>> Crafts,
>> Tap Plastics, Niche Business Cafe, Mike May Speaking, 6dot,
>> Intuit,
>> UpperCloud Media, The Michael Hingson Group (Motivational
>> Speaker),
>> etc.
>> In the mix of my business trip to Europe, I had to plan for my
>> work
>> with JPMorgan Chase & Co.  as Digital Accessibility SME in San
>> Francisco, CA.  My dreams of traveling the world, working for a
>> technology company, and working in Silicon Valley all came true;
>> I
>> felt like I was in paradise!!!
>> For detailed specifics on my career, please see my professional
>> profile on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchao89
>>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 11:31:12 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:31:12 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
Message-ID: <5422abaf.63578c0a.ad1e.ffff8bf7@mx.google.com>

Vejas, I think you should apply early action to all of your 
colleges. Unlike early decision, early action is not a binding 
legal agreement. The benefit of early action over regular action, 
which I don't intend to use at all, is that you find out whether 
you're acepted earlier. This gives you ore time to apply for 
appropriate scholarships and make your final decision.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges

Hi All,
I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to 
with early action
and the rest for regular action.
Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it? 
If you did, did you
have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to 
your advantage?
Thanks for any input.
Vejas

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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Wed Sep 24 13:49:30 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 09:49:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
In-Reply-To: <5422abaf.63578c0a.ad1e.ffff8bf7@mx.google.com>
References: <5422abaf.63578c0a.ad1e.ffff8bf7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9ifQscfrC3KkVqstbSpLm8gto_hqpRbra3r=A-XvO+zNg@mail.gmail.com>

The only thing about Early Action programs, from what I've been told
when I was applying to colleges a couple years ago is that admission
offices will hold your application up to a higher standard than
normal. Early Action is intended to find students that truly want to
attend a particular college so it's a lot more rigorous than regular
decision. Also, your chances of getting accepted is higher if you
apply regular decision because you are competing with "regular"
students. This is not to say you shouldn't do early action if it's a
school that you really want to attend; after all, it would get the
hassle of waiting for acceptance letters out of the way and you can
focus on applying to scholarships or just enjoy the last semester of
senior year.

Minh

On 9/24/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Vejas, I think you should apply early action to all of your
> colleges. Unlike early decision, early action is not a binding
> legal agreement. The benefit of early action over regular action,
> which I don't intend to use at all, is that you find out whether
> you're acepted earlier. This gives you ore time to apply for
> appropriate scholarships and make your final decision.
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
>
> Hi All,
> I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to
> with early action
> and the rest for regular action.
> Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it?
> If you did, did you
> have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to
> your advantage?
> Thanks for any input.
> Vejas
>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Sep 25 05:44:50 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 01:44:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] STEM Classes in a Large Lecture Setting
Message-ID: <8D1A69AF529A265-7F8-14E94@webmail-va066.sysops.aol.com>

Hello,
For those of you who attend a large university and have taken stem 
classes in a large lecture hall setting, I am asking for your help.
This quarter I am taking a introductory life science class and an 
introductory statistics class. Both classes will be taking place in a 
lecture hall with about 200 people.
The professors have told me that their ppt presentations and such will 
have graphs and diagrams.
Although I have asked them to be as verbal as possible and I trust them 
that they will do their best I am sure there will be a good amount of 
information that may not easily transfer to me due to its visual nature 
and pace the professors have to maintain for the class.
In addition to going over such materials with the professors and/or TAs 
outside of lecture time, what kind of assistance can I get?
What kinds of accomodations/assistance can I ask from my university's 
office for students with disabilities in this situation?
Thank you in advance.
Miso Kwak




From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Sep 25 05:48:30 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 22:48:30 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [SPAM?]  STEM Classes in a Large Lecture Setting
In-Reply-To: <8D1A69AF529A265-7F8-14E94@webmail-va066.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D1A69AF529A265-7F8-14E94@webmail-va066.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avc3056NDM4xtQXCe3Q3_4GsEB5DKyw3zTx8bdnZYWOtpQ@mail.gmail.com>

I know at my school they will make diagrams tactile. I took a digital logic
design course with wiring diagrams based on color and they offered to make
them tactile for me.

On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello,
> For those of you who attend a large university and have taken stem classes
> in a large lecture hall setting, I am asking for your help.
> This quarter I am taking a introductory life science class and an
> introductory statistics class. Both classes will be taking place in a
> lecture hall with about 200 people.
> The professors have told me that their ppt presentations and such will
> have graphs and diagrams.
> Although I have asked them to be as verbal as possible and I trust them
> that they will do their best I am sure there will be a good amount of
> information that may not easily transfer to me due to its visual nature and
> pace the professors have to maintain for the class.
> In addition to going over such materials with the professors and/or TAs
> outside of lecture time, what kind of assistance can I get?
> What kinds of accomodations/assistance can I ask from my university's
> office for students with disabilities in this situation?
> Thank you in advance.
> Miso Kwak
>
>
>
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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 06:00:18 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 01:00:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] September Membership Call
Message-ID: <CAKQ+Jjwr0f9VQG6vbp6UrvX9XjrmTM1sFW8rsxZETK=HaKhfHQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings NABS,

Summer's officially over and classes are in full swing once again, and
it's time again for an introductory membership call. Please join us
for a membership call in which you can not only meet the National
Association of Blind Students Board, but also have a chance to discuss
the results of the Membership Survey that you all recently
participated in.

Join us this Sunday at 8 eastern/ 7 central to participate in the conversation.

Call 605-475-6700 and use code 7869673.

Looking forward to seeing you all there!

Best,

Candice Chapman

NABS Membership Chair


From msborrelli26 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 07:31:19 2014
From: msborrelli26 at gmail.com (msborrelli26 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 03:31:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nabs-l Digest, Vol 95, Issue 25
In-Reply-To: <mailman.15.1411560001.26311.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
References: <mailman.15.1411560001.26311.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>
Message-ID: <249EED86-8C1D-4EA4-A7AF-5CBEC50AF60B@gmail.com>



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> Today's Topics:
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>   1. Accessible TI84 Calculator (Jordyn Castor)
>   2. BrailleNote Apex Maintenance (Miso Kwak)
>   3. Re: BrailleNote Apex Maintenance (Jorge Paez)
>   4. Re: Bookstore problems (Karl Martin Adam)
>   5. Re: powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
>      (Ashley Bramlett)
>   6. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (Sophie Trist)
>   7. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (Miso Kwak)
>   8. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (James Hulme)
>   9. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (Lillie Pennington)
>  10. Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are Accessible to Manage
>      (Zach Mason)
>  11. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (Greg Aikens)
>  12. Re: Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are Accessible    to
>      Manage (Tyler)
>  13. Re: powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
>      (Arielle Silverman)
>  14. Re: Bookstore problems (Arielle Silverman)
>  15. Re: Bookstore problems (Elizabeth Mohnke)
>  16. Re: Accessible TI84 Calculator (Jeff Crouch k8tvv)
>  17. early action for colleges (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
>  18. Re: Inclusive Digital Accessibility World (Kevin Chao)
>  19. Re: early action for colleges (Sophie Trist)
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
> From: Jordyn Castor <jordyn2493 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> Message-ID: <51F71AD0-A5FF-45A6-AD64-CFE55F927011 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:42:37 -0400
> From: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Maintenance
> Message-ID: <8D1A56484B3F7EA-FB8-8CB3 at webmail-vm116.sysops.aol.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed
> 
> Hello all,
> For those of you who use BrailleNote Apex regularly for school and 
> other daily functions, how often do you send your device in for 
> maintenance and/or repair?
> Humanware located in Canada is the only place we can get the service, 
> right?
> When the device is away for maintenance/repair, what is your back-up 
> strategy?
> I have received a BrailleNote Apex in the summer of 2013 from the 
> Department of Rehab in my state. So far it's functioning well but I 
> want to make sure I do my best to maintain it. As school is just 
> starting up for me again I won't be able to send it in any time soon 
> but I am trying to plan it ahead if getting it checked and cleaned is 
> beneficial for the long term use of the device.
> Best,
> Miso Kwak
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 3
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:45:30 -0400
> From: Jorge Paez <jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com>
> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>,    National Association of Blind
>    Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] BrailleNote Apex Maintenance
> Message-ID:
>    <CAA+vbPvJrq2dEAKhPGNYNe37UXAg3evg1Sbge3MsRvsWAoTnng at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
> 
> My backup strategy has usually been to use my laptop.
> LuckallyI had only needed to send mine in 1 or 2 times during high school,
> and at least1 such time was really close to either spring break or
> Winter break, so I just sent it in then and it was returned by the
> time I was back in school.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/23/14, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> For those of you who use BrailleNote Apex regularly for school and
>> other daily functions, how often do you send your device in for
>> maintenance and/or repair?
>> Humanware located in Canada is the only place we can get the service,
>> right?
>> When the device is away for maintenance/repair, what is your back-up
>> strategy?
>> I have received a BrailleNote Apex in the summer of 2013 from the
>> Department of Rehab in my state. So far it's functioning well but I
>> want to make sure I do my best to maintain it. As school is just
>> starting up for me again I won't be able to send it in any time soon
>> but I am trying to plan it ahead if getting it checked and cleaned is
>> beneficial for the long term use of the device.
>> Best,
>> Miso Kwak
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> 
> -- 
> Yours in Christ,
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> God blesses those people
>    who depend only on him.
> They belong to the kingdom
>    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)
> 
> You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
> Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:49:17 -0400
> From: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>
> To: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, National Association
>    of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> Message-ID: <5421a4ac.0878320a.6877.ffff8aad at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi Kaiti and all,
> 
> I would imagine DSS wouldn't want to give you contact information
> for their students, but I wonder if they would be willing to 
> forward an e-mail to their list of students?  Perhaps you could 
> also just start a group and advertize for it.  At my school 
> student organizations get websites, so when people look for 
> groups to get involved with, it's pretty easy to find them.
> 
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association
> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:59:13 -0400
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship
> I
> have is there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was 
> my
> thinking before I realized that these changes were made and it 
> would
> take forever for me to just get the print copies of the books so 
> I
> could exchange my receits for the text files the DS office had 
> done
> well in advance of the school year.  I did end up buying one book 
> from
> Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to next semester and next
> year, I think I should have the right to use my book scholarship
> and
> get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who qualified 
> for
> it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests way 
> in
> advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the 
> books
> done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.
> 
> I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue 
> paying
> in advance for any print copies which don't come in due to 
> bookstore
> error when the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have 
> no
> problem with paying via my scholarship, and look at it this way; 
> if I
> pay for the book and never actually pick up the print copy, 
> that's one
> more they have in their stock so its a win win situation.  I'm 
> just
> shocked that the DS office didn't say something before I did.  I 
> told
> them back in the first and second weeks of school the issues I 
> was
> having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure I was still 
> able
> to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards putting 
> more
> than a bandaid on the problem.
> 
> I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on 
> campus to
> discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on 
> certain
> things, but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes 
> to
> confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who 
> go to
> the DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out
> there, so I'm not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a 
> great
> idea that could be really awesome if carried out though.
> 
> On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
> Hi Kaiti,
> Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on 
> Amazon
> and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you 
> required
> to buy books on campus?
> Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
> Arielle
> 
> On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
> Kaiti,
> 
> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain 
> loudly;
> full
> 
> time professors have committee meetings and those working there 
> years
> have
> power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
> 
> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably 
> half
> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a 
> store person
> to
> 
> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for 
> them.
> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they 
> can get me
> alternative format books.
> 
> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you 
> already did.
> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. 
> Order
> from
> 
> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant 
> sections.
> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you 
> can buy
> their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  
> often
> bought
> 
> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus 
> with you
> to
> 
> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I 
> was,
> those
> 
> were often around bulletin boards.
> 
> 
> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with
> disablities
> 
> to
> speak up about this.
> 
> Good luck!
> 
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> 
> Hi, NABSters,
> 
> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and 
> I'm
> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to 
> how I
> might work to change it.
> 
> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance 
> online.
> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my 
> schedule
> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure 
> all
> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, 
> and
> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed 
> my
> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my 
> disability
> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books 
> weeks
> before school started.  It was a great system.
> 
> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  
> Starting
> with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of 
> a book
> scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
> Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
> students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks 
> per
> semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy 
> books
> directly from the university store, where they can essentially 
> get
> them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to 
> Amazon,
> Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the 
> first two
> years the book scholarship program was in place everything 
> worked
> great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for 
> books,
> and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they 
> don't have
> to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too 
> great
> for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online 
> orders
> and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on 
> campus to
> buy their books.
> 
> This has created several problems for the general campus student
> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities. E.G, the 
> way
> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so 
> the
> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and 
> only
> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he 
> teaches two.
> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some 
> reason
> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this 
> semester,
> so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person 
> in the
> class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone 
> can get
> their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in 
> either,
> and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies 
> until
> the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the 
> bookstore
> didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate 
> count
> of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I 
> saw
> plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
> trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books 
> that
> aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk 
> orders the
> bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had 
> to
> wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for 
> their
> classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when 
> their
> class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient 
> system
> that isn't working for anyone.
> 
> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative 
> formats, is
> that legally the university can't give out the alternative 
> format copy
> without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my 
> books, I
> tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.  
> They
> refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the 
> books
> up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in 
> advance, even
> though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some 
> order
> anyway.
> 
> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on 
> another
> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had 
> placed 2
> weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by 
> phone
> when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other 
> books
> a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along 
> with
> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about 
> those
> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I 
> checked
> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This 
> time I
> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure 
> out
> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would 
> receive,
> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about 
> what
> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order 
> was
> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the 
> second
> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press 
> didn't
> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what 
> the
> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned 
> to them
> that the other students in my class who don't have their books 
> will
> probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are 
> in 2
> weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I 
> then
> tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, 
> which
> I had tried to do with some other books before when I special 
> ordered
> them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay 
> for the
> books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it 
> is
> pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done 
> and to
> have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not 
> be
> able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their 
> fault.
> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are 
> still
> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people 
> with
> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager 
> and
> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a 
> register
> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I 
> could
> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
> 
> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, 
> and
> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how 
> things work
> for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office 
> hasn't
> said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has 
> explained the
> problems related to alternative formats and getting the print 
> copy so
> we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there 
> are
> plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format 
> textbooks,
> but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky 
> wheel.
> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now 
> that
> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook 
> manager's
> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is 
> a
> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like 
> for it
> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would 
> make
> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative 
> formats
> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore 
> easier for
> everybody.
> 
> Thoughts?
> --
> Kaiti
> 
> 
> --
> Kaiti
> 
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> 
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:47:12 -0400
> From: "Ashley Bramlett" <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or
>    videos
> Message-ID: <4DDF6893DF6E45B2B57DDE7561D31F12 at OwnerPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="UTF-8"
> 
> Jimmy,
> Thanks. This answers some of my questions. I?m still wondering if jaws will recognize embedded videos.
> If it does not, how can I access the video? I thought about copying and pasting the URL of the video, but then this requires internet access to click on it and watch. This may or may not happen depending on where I am.
> Another idea can be to download the video and just click on the file separately rather than being in a powerpoint. 
> I don?t know how to download  youtube videos though.
> 
> Thanks for any advice.
> 
> Ashley
> 
> From: James Hulme 
> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:59 AM
> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> Cc: New Jersey Technology Division 
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
> 
> Hello Ashley Bramlett, 
> 
> 
> I do not use JAWS or any version of JAWS 16 at all but this is an article from Microsoft that might help answer your questions.
> 
> I have attached the link below, if you have any further problems please do not hesitate to e-mail me off list. I have also asked the question to our tech division list so they could provide other feedback as well. I hope thsi helps.
> 
> Providing feedback to Microsoft at teh end of teh article with a click on yes or no is what you have to do after reading the artcile if you want tod o so. 
> 
> Here is the link:
> 
> Microsoft article for PowerPoint help with JAWS or a screen reader
> 
> 
> Jimmy Hulme
> Member of NFB of NJ since 1998
> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>  Hi all,
> 
>  I?d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube and hyperlinks.
>  I?ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating hyperlinks, it seems easy; it?s a matter of selecting the text you want as a link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what to link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your presentation.
> 
>  So, I?ve learned this.
> 
>  Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.
> 
>  Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or embedded objects which are videos?
> 
>  If so, how?
> 
>  So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I cannot click on them with the keyboard.
>  I rarely use the mouse and I?m not sure my eyes will be able to see and track the mouse arrow to click on anything.
> 
>  I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.
> 
>  I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!
> 
>  Ashley
> 
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> 
> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 14:22:01 -0500
> From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> To: Jordyn Castor <jordyn2493 at gmail.com>,    National Association of
>    Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
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> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a 
> bit pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible 
> calculator has nearly the array of features of this one. Also, 
> can't you get your school (assuming you're in high school) or voc
> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics 
> for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the 
> one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any 
> apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
> 
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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> 
> Message: 7
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 12:27:56 -0700
> From: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>
> To: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>,    National Association of
>    Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> Message-ID: <C5C5F849-BDCE-4F97-AD6A-DFA94BCCE645 at aol.com>
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> 
> Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
> I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to purchase me a Calculator.
> Thanks
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school (assuming you're in high school) or voc
>> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jordyn
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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>> r%40gmail.com
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:33:08 -0400
> From: James Hulme <jim.hulme at gmail.com>
> To: Miso Kwak <kwakmiso at aol.com>,    National Association of Blind
>    Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> Message-ID:
>    <CAKMC2e5Wq_d-uy4g=aiAn-GdKsa7AayA_zjVsNvudvPYvpGKPw at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> *Hi Miso Kwak, *
> 
> *For your information here are the features for the Orion TI-84 calculator
> from APH. *
> 
> 
> *Features:*
> 
> ? Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible
> tone.
> ? Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and
> axis crossing points.
> ? Scroll the history of calculations and quickly recall and edit
> input/output.
> ? Choose how to view calculations on screen: as decimals or fractions.
> ? Matrix functions and calculations.
> ? Amazing list of scientific, statistical, and financial functions.
> ? Superb synthesized speech (FonixTalk? from SpeechFX?) with choice of
> voices, speech rates, and pitch.
> ? Listen using stereo earphones or built-in stereo speakers.
> ? Full key help mode, which describes all keys, including 2nd and Alpha
> functions, without losing your work position.
> ? Temporary mute mode for teacher/student interaction.
> ? Use the screen reader to review the screen without losing your place.
> ? Full access to all menus, expressions, text, and symbols displayed on the
> screen.
> ? Expandable hardware accessories using USB port.
> ? Connect to your computer via USB cable to print or emboss graphs and
> other work (requires a printer or embosser and a PC).
> ? LCD display and keypad functionality are identical to the standard TI-84
> Plus.
> 
> Hope that helps.
> 
> Jimmy Hulme
> 908-868-2836 (Mobile) (New Jersey)
> jim.hulme at gmail.com
> 
> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> 
>> Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
>> I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to
>> purchase me a Calculator.
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit
>> pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has
>> nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school
>> (assuming you're in high school) or voc
>>> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 11:02:40 -0400
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
>>> 
>>> Hi All,
>>> 
>>> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for
>> Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH?
>> I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that
>> are decent scientific calculators?
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jordyn
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/sweetpeareade
>>> r%40gmail.com
>>> 
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 15:50:20 -0400
> From: Lillie Pennington <lilliepennington at fuse.net>
> To: James Hulme <jim.hulme at gmail.com>,    National Association of Blind
>    Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> Message-ID: <6283B280-F42B-4582-8FA3-CE03FBD920A1 at fuse.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset=utf-8
> 
> I have the TI 84 from a pH and think it is a very worthwhile investment.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 3:33 PM, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> *Hi Miso Kwak, *
>> 
>> *For your information here are the features for the Orion TI-84 calculator
>> from APH. *
>> 
>> 
>> *Features:*
>> 
>> ? Graph functions and trace points made accessible with speech and audible
>> tone.
>> ? Listen to entire graph, including special sounds for negative regions and
>> axis crossing points.
>> ? Scroll the history of calculations and quickly recall and edit
>> input/output.
>> ? Choose how to view calculations on screen: as decimals or fractions.
>> ? Matrix functions and calculations.
>> ? Amazing list of scientific, statistical, and financial functions.
>> ? Superb synthesized speech (FonixTalk? from SpeechFX?) with choice of
>> voices, speech rates, and pitch.
>> ? Listen using stereo earphones or built-in stereo speakers.
>> ? Full key help mode, which describes all keys, including 2nd and Alpha
>> functions, without losing your work position.
>> ? Temporary mute mode for teacher/student interaction.
>> ? Use the screen reader to review the screen without losing your place.
>> ? Full access to all menus, expressions, text, and symbols displayed on the
>> screen.
>> ? Expandable hardware accessories using USB port.
>> ? Connect to your computer via USB cable to print or emboss graphs and
>> other work (requires a printer or embosser and a PC).
>> ? LCD display and keypad functionality are identical to the standard TI-84
>> Plus.
>> 
>> Hope that helps.
>> 
>> Jimmy Hulme
>> 908-868-2836 (Mobile) (New Jersey)
>> jim.hulme at gmail.com
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 3:27 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Sophie what does your calculator have four its advanced features?
>>> I might be purchasing or trying to get my department of rehab consular to
>>> purchase me a Calculator.
>>> Thanks
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 12:22 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I just got the Orion TI84+ calculator this school year. It is a bit
>>> pricey, but it's worth it in my opinion. No other accessible calculator has
>>> nearly the array of features of this one. Also, can't you get your school
>>> (assuming you're in high school) or voc
>>>> rehab to buy the Orion for you?
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:37:16 -0400
> From: "Zach Mason" <zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com>
> To: <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are Accessible to
>    Manage
> Message-ID: <009501cfd787$5284deb0$f78e9c10$@gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello: 
> 
> 
> 
> Although I know this is the Student's list, I thought someone would have
> ideas or experience on the subject of this posting. I'm trying to create
> several professional e-mail groups for various organizations I belong too.
> When I first tried making a Google group I was not happy. I know Google has
> made strides towards accessibility in their product line, but they aren't
> convenient solutions for someone with as much love for computers as me. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Zachary Mason
> 
> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
> 
> Northwinds Farm
> 
> (603) 922-8377 Work
> 
> (603) 991-6747 Cell
> 
> <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 806 U.S. Route 3
> 
> North Stratford, NH 03590
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 11
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:40:45 -0400
> From: Greg Aikens <gpaikens at gmail.com>
> To: Jordyn Castor <jordyn2493 at gmail.com>,    National Association of
>    Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
> Message-ID: <03048C9B-1B4F-4B7B-A1F8-9548168977F9 at gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
> 
> If you are going into an engineering or mathematics field that will use a graphing calculator consistently, I would think this would be a good investment of Voc Rehab money, or your own if you have to. I have seen it demonstrated and really wish I had something like it in high school and college to complete my calculus and advanced math courses. 
> 
>> On Sep 23, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are decent scientific calculators?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jordyn
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/gpaikens%40gmail.com
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 12
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:46:46 -0400
> From: Tyler <programmer651 at comcast.net>
> To: Zach Mason <zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com>,    National Association
>    of Blind Students mailing list    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Creating E-Mail Mailing Lists that are
>    Accessible    to    Manage
> Message-ID: <20140923234645.12084.66176.levelstar.mail at everest>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> It's gotta be a freelists.org mailing list for a blind person. Easy forum to get a list 
> going (they have to approve you and make sure the list is appropriate), the list URL will let you log 
> into your list and change settings, and some settings can be changed rather from the request prompt. Easy as pie!
> Tyler Z
> On Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:37:16 -0400, Zach Mason via nabs-l wrote:
> 
> 
>> Hello: 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Although I know this is the Student's list, I thought someone would have
>> ideas or experience on the subject of this posting. I'm trying to create
>> several professional e-mail groups for various organizations I belong too.
>> When I first tried making a Google group I was not happy. I know Google has
>> made strides towards accessibility in their product line, but they aren't
>> convenient solutions for someone with as much love for computers as me. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Zachary Mason
>> 
>> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>> 
>> Northwinds Farm
>> 
>> (603) 922-8377 Work
>> 
>> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>> 
>> <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 806 U.S. Route 3
>> 
>> North Stratford, NH 03590
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/programmer651%40comcast.net
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:51:00 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Ashley Bramlett <bookwormahb at earthlink.net>,    National Association
>    of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or
>    videos
> Message-ID:
>    <CALAYQJCLEtspH65YjA3x8uvJF8VTZZRCjSCge-1yyw8G84J9zQ at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi Ashley,
> When I used videos in my teaching, I had a reader help me download
> them from Youtube as .mp4 media files. I'm not sure if the process for
> doing that is accessible or not. After downloading, I inserted them
> into my slide by selecting media under the insert ribbon. Once the
> video was in, when I viewed the presentation in slide show mode, the
> video would auto-play. I had to click a setting during the insert
> process to make this happen.
> Best,
> Arielle
> 
>> On 9/23/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Jimmy,
>> Thanks. This answers some of my questions. I?m still wondering if jaws will
>> recognize embedded videos.
>> If it does not, how can I access the video? I thought about copying and
>> pasting the URL of the video, but then this requires internet access to
>> click on it and watch. This may or may not happen depending on where I am.
>> Another idea can be to download the video and just click on the file
>> separately rather than being in a powerpoint.
>> I don?t know how to download  youtube videos though.
>> 
>> Thanks for any advice.
>> 
>> Ashley
>> 
>> From: James Hulme
>> Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2014 2:59 AM
>> To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: New Jersey Technology Division
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] powerpoint question on embedding objects or videos
>> 
>> Hello Ashley Bramlett,
>> 
>> 
>> I do not use JAWS or any version of JAWS 16 at all but this is an article
>> from Microsoft that might help answer your questions.
>> 
>> I have attached the link below, if you have any further problems please do
>> not hesitate to e-mail me off list. I have also asked the question to our
>> tech division list so they could provide other feedback as well. I hope thsi
>> helps.
>> 
>> Providing feedback to Microsoft at teh end of teh article with a click on
>> yes or no is what you have to do after reading the artcile if you want tod o
>> so.
>> 
>> Here is the link:
>> 
>> Microsoft article for PowerPoint help with JAWS or a screen reader
>> 
>> 
>> Jimmy Hulme
>> Member of NFB of NJ since 1998
>> 908-868-2836 (Mobile)
>> jim.hulme at gmail.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 2:09 AM, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>>  Hi all,
>> 
>>  I?d like to enhance my presentation with audio clips, videos from youtube
>> and hyperlinks.
>>  I?ve learned how to do some of this from the internet. For creating
>> hyperlinks, it seems easy; it?s a matter of selecting the text you want as a
>> link and clicking on hyperlink in the context menu and then adding what to
>> link to. For videos, I learned that if you click on the shared button in
>> youtube, then embed, plus  a few more steps, you can embed it in your
>> presentation.
>> 
>>  So, I?ve learned this.
>> 
>>  Unfortunately, I think it is inaccessible.
>> 
>>  Will jaws or any screen reader recognize hyperlinks, sound clips, or
>> embedded objects which are videos?
>> 
>>  If so, how?
>> 
>>  So far it seems to ignore them as if the hyperlinks and embedded objects
>> are not there. Yet, I see them, so I know I did this correctly. Your
>> hyperlink is a different color if done right. If jaws fails to see them, I
>> cannot click on them with the keyboard.
>>  I rarely use the mouse and I?m not sure my eyes will be able to see and
>> track the mouse arrow to click on anything.
>> 
>>  I sure hope there is a way for hyperlinks to work. I know they do when
>> reading word files, so I just assumed they would work in powerpoint.
>> 
>>  I use version 2010. Thanks for any help!
>> 
>>  Ashley
>> 
>>  _______________________________________________
>>  nabs-l mailing list
>>  nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 16:55:35 -0700
> From: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>
> To: Karl Martin Adam <kmaent1 at gmail.com>,    National Association of
>    Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> Message-ID:
>    <CALAYQJDm=zvkjSPKH+e-f4T8GyjopApvNtxtiTUq4n21adA9wA at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi Kaiti
> If you write up a meeting announcement, somebody at DSS can forward it
> to everybody for you. However, it sounds like this problem is
> irritating for a lot of students, not just those who use alternative
> formats. Why not create a larger group and invite some of your
> classmates to join?
> It's too bad DSS can't come up with an amendment to their policies
> until the bookstore process is straightened out.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 9/23/14, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti and all,
>> 
>> I would imagine DSS wouldn't want to give you contact information
>> for their students, but I wonder if they would be willing to
>> forward an e-mail to their list of students?  Perhaps you could
>> also just start a group and advertize for it.  At my school
>> student organizations get websites, so when people look for
>> groups to get involved with, it's pretty easy to find them.
>> 
>> Karl
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com>, National Association
>> of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Mon, 22 Sep 2014 23:59:13 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship
>> I
>> have is there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was
>> my
>> thinking before I realized that these changes were made and it
>> would
>> take forever for me to just get the print copies of the books so
>> I
>> could exchange my receits for the text files the DS office had
>> done
>> well in advance of the school year.  I did end up buying one book
>> from
>> Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to next semester and next
>> year, I think I should have the right to use my book scholarship
>> and
>> get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who qualified
>> for
>> it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests way
>> in
>> advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the
>> books
>> done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.
>> 
>> I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue
>> paying
>> in advance for any print copies which don't come in due to
>> bookstore
>> error when the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have
>> no
>> problem with paying via my scholarship, and look at it this way;
>> if I
>> pay for the book and never actually pick up the print copy,
>> that's one
>> more they have in their stock so its a win win situation.  I'm
>> just
>> shocked that the DS office didn't say something before I did.  I
>> told
>> them back in the first and second weeks of school the issues I
>> was
>> having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure I was still
>> able
>> to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards putting
>> more
>> than a bandaid on the problem.
>> 
>> I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on
>> campus to
>> discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on
>> certain
>> things, but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes
>> to
>> confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who
>> go to
>> the DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out
>> there, so I'm not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a
>> great
>> idea that could be really awesome if carried out though.
>> 
>> On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti,
>> Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on
>> Amazon
>> and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you
>> required
>> to buy books on campus?
>> Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
>> Arielle
>> 
>> On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> Kaiti,
>> 
>> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain
>> loudly;
>> full
>> 
>> time professors have committee meetings and those working there
>> years
>> have
>> power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>> 
>> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably
>> half
>> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a
>> store person
>> to
>> 
>> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for
>> them.
>> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
>> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they
>> can get me
>> alternative format books.
>> 
>> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you
>> already did.
>> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options.
>> Order
>> from
>> 
>> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
>> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant
>> sections.
>> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
>> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
>> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you
>> can buy
>> their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have
>> often
>> bought
>> 
>> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus
>> with you
>> to
>> 
>> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I
>> was,
>> those
>> 
>> were often around bulletin boards.
>> 
>> 
>> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with
>> disablities
>> 
>> to
>> speak up about this.
>> 
>> Good luck!
>> 
>> Ashley
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>> 
>> Hi, NABSters,
>> 
>> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and
>> I'm
>> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to
>> how I
>> might work to change it.
>> 
>> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance
>> online.
>> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my
>> schedule
>> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure
>> all
>> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be
>> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school,
>> and
>> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed
>> my
>> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my
>> disability
>> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books
>> weeks
>> before school started.  It was a great system.
>> 
>> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.
>> Starting
>> with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage of
>> a book
>> scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S Dept of
>> Education grant the school received, and allows for qualifying
>> students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on textbooks
>> per
>> semester for four years.  This has encouraged more people to buy
>> books
>> directly from the university store, where they can essentially
>> get
>> them for free or for significantly less, rather than go to
>> Amazon,
>> Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I guess for the
>> first two
>> years the book scholarship program was in place everything
>> worked
>> great, but now with three classes of students qualifying for
>> books,
>> and most of the people wanting to not spend money when they
>> don't have
>> to open their wallets, the bookstore decided the demand was too
>> great
>> for the man-power they had, so they stopped accepting online
>> orders
>> and now have everyone come to the bookstore once they're on
>> campus to
>> buy their books.
>> 
>> This has created several problems for the general campus student
>> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities. E.G, the
>> way
>> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so
>> the
>> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and
>> only
>> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he
>> teaches two.
>> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some
>> reason
>> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this
>> semester,
>> so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One person
>> in the
>> class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone else.
>> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone
>> can get
>> their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in
>> either,
>> and the professor just decided to loan out her personal copies
>> until
>> the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because the
>> bookstore
>> didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an accurate
>> count
>> of how many books they would need to order for each class.  I
>> saw
>> plenty of students in the special order line when I was in there
>> trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books
>> that
>> aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk
>> orders the
>> bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students have had
>> to
>> wait for books to come in, have had to special order things for
>> their
>> classes, and professors have needed to postpone assignments when
>> their
>> class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a less-efficient
>> system
>> that isn't working for anyone.
>> 
>> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative
>> formats, is
>> that legally the university can't give out the alternative
>> format copy
>> without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my
>> books, I
>> tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my order.
>> They
>> refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I picked the
>> books
>> up and paid for them then.  They would not let me pay in
>> advance, even
>> though sooner or later I would pay for and get the book in some
>> order
>> anyway.
>> 
>> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on
>> another
>> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had
>> placed 2
>> weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by
>> phone
>> when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other
>> books
>> a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along
>> with
>> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about
>> those
>> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I
>> checked
>> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This
>> time I
>> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure
>> out
>> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip
>> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would
>> receive,
>> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about
>> what
>> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order
>> was
>> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the
>> second
>> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press
>> didn't
>> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am
>> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what
>> the
>> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned
>> to them
>> that the other students in my class who don't have their books
>> will
>> probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are
>> in 2
>> weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I
>> then
>> tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase,
>> which
>> I had tried to do with some other books before when I special
>> ordered
>> them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me pay
>> for the
>> books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them that it
>> is
>> pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books done
>> and to
>> have put all the time into converting them, and for them to not
>> be
>> able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their
>> fault.
>> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are
>> still
>> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people
>> with
>> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone
>> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager
>> and
>> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a
>> register
>> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I
>> could
>> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>> 
>> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem,
>> and
>> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how
>> things work
>> for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office
>> hasn't
>> said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has
>> explained the
>> problems related to alternative formats and getting the print
>> copy so
>> we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know there
>> are
>> plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format
>> textbooks,
>> but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky
>> wheel.
>> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now
>> that
>> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook
>> manager's
>> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is
>> a
>> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like
>> for it
>> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would
>> make
>> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative
>> formats
>> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore
>> easier for
>> everybody.
>> 
>> Thoughts?
>> --
>> Kaiti
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti
>> 
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> 
> Message: 15
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 21:08:41 -0400
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com>
> To: "'Kaiti Shelton'" <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>, "'National
>    Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> Message-ID: <COL401-EAS479D4DF21D384422412CEDDBAB10 at phx.gbl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> Hello Kaiti,
> 
> Sounds like there was a systematic lapse of communication between the
> college and the professors and the bookstore. I can understand that you
> would want to purchase your books from the bookstore if that is the only way
> to make use of the book scholarship. However, if you are not able to receive
> your textbooks in a timely manner then I would wonder how much the
> scholarship is really worth and would consider purchasing your textbooks
> somewhere else if you are not able to get them when you need them.
> 
> Other people have already suggested other ideas for what to do when you are
> not able to obtain your textbook on time. In addition to what has already
> been said, I would suggest forming a study group with someone who has a copy
> of the textbook if they are in limited supply. You could have the members of
> the group take turns reading the textbook aloud while you take notes on what
> is being read from the textbook. You could also offer everyone else in the
> group a copy of these notes in exchange for reading the textbook aloud for
> you. You could even offer to bring some munchies for the study group too.
> This way you could still participate in the study group even though you
> could not read the textbook aloud to other members of the study group.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2014 11:59 PM
> To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am not required to buy my books on campus, but the scholarship I have is
> there so it is silly to not use it.  At least, that was my thinking before I
> realized that these changes were made and it would take forever for me to
> just get the print copies of the books so I could exchange my receits for
> the text files the DS office had done well in advance of the school year.  I
> did end up buying one book from Amazon this semester, but looking ahead to
> next semester and next year, I think I should have the right to use my book
> scholarship and get my books on-time like everyone else in my class who
> qualified for it.  Especially since I submit my alternative format requests
> way in advance of the start of each semester, it's silly to have the books
> done and stuck in the DS office where they can't be used.
> 
> I'm hoping that the manager will be willing to let me continue paying in
> advance for any print copies which don't come in due to bookstore error when
> the DS office has them ready to be picked up.  I have no problem with paying
> via my scholarship, and look at it this way; if I pay for the book and never
> actually pick up the print copy, that's one more they have in their stock so
> its a win win situation.  I'm just shocked that the DS office didn't say
> something before I did.  I told them back in the first and second weeks of
> school the issues I was having, and though the worked wieth me to make sure
> I was still able to do my assignments they didn't actually work towards
> putting more than a bandaid on the problem.
> 
> I've thought about trying to organize a group of students on campus to
> discuss issues like this and to get a little more backing on certain things,
> but the DS office seems pretty tight-lipped when it comes to
> confidentiality.  I really don't know that many other people who go to the
> DS office for accomodations even though I do know they're out there, so I'm
> not quite sure how I'd start such a group.  It's a great idea that could be
> really awesome if carried out though.
> 
>> On 9/20/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Kaiti,
>> Any chance you can buy your books, at least some of them, on Amazon 
>> and email your receipts to the disability office? Or are you required 
>> to buy books on campus?
>> Any books available on Learning Ally or BookShare?
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 9/20/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Kaiti,
>>> 
>>> That sounds like a huge mess. I'm sure professors will complain 
>>> loudly; full
>>> 
>>> time professors have committee meetings and those working there years 
>>> have power; I'm sure they hate the system as much as students.
>>> 
>>> What I do is rather than mess with online stuff wich is probably half 
>>> accessible, I go to the bookstore with my schedule and ask a store 
>>> person to
>>> 
>>> walk around with me for books; I get used if possible. I pay for them.
>>> then, the last step I do is the same as you.
>>> I give a copy of my receit to the disabilities office so they can get 
>>> me alternative format books.
>>> 
>>> In your case, I suggest speaking to the manager which you already did.
>>> For books you did not receive, I can only think of four options. 
>>> Order from
>>> 
>>> amazon, barns and noble, or other vendor.
>>> You  could also borrow a friend's copy and scan relevant sections.
>>> You might even borrow your professor's copy and do the same.
>>> The library may have a copy on reserve which you could use.
>>> Finally, you might ask other students who took the class if you can 
>>> buy their copy at a discount. I know at my schools, students have  
>>> often bought
>>> 
>>> used books from other students. Have someone walk around campus with 
>>> you to
>>> 
>>> look for used book fliers as well. At least at Marymount where I was, 
>>> those
>>> 
>>> were often around bulletin boards.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In terms of advocacy, maybe you can get a group of students with 
>>> disablities
>>> 
>>> to
>>> speak up about this.
>>> 
>>> Good luck!
>>> 
>>> Ashley
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:21 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Bookstore problems
>>> 
>>> Hi, NABSters,
>>> 
>>> I'm having a serious issue with my university's bookstore, and I'm 
>>> wondering if a few of you could weigh in with suggestions as to how I 
>>> might work to change it.
>>> 
>>> Until this semester, I could order my textbooks in advance online.
>>> The site was super accessible, and since it is linked to my schedule 
>>> on our university management site, all I had to do was make sure all 
>>> the books were in my cart and check out.  All the books would be 
>>> packaged up in boxes and ready for pick up when I got to school, and 
>>> since I got an electronic receipt emailed to me when I completed my 
>>> orders online, I could just forward it right away to my disability 
>>> services coordinator, and she would give me most of my books weeks 
>>> before school started.  It was a great system.
>>> 
>>> However, the bookstore decided to stop taking online orders.  
>>> Starting with my class, everyone has had the option to take advantage
>>> of a book scholarship.  This scholarship program is part of a U.S 
>>> Dept of Education grant the school received, and allows for 
>>> qualifying students to receive a 500 ddollar allowance to use on 
>>> textbooks per semester for four years.  This has encouraged more 
>>> people to buy books directly from the university store, where they 
>>> can essentially get them for free or for significantly less, rather 
>>> than go to Amazon, Cheg, or other sources to get their books.  I 
>>> guess for the first two years the book scholarship program was in 
>>> place everything worked great, but now with three classes of students 
>>> qualifying for books, and most of the people wanting to not spend 
>>> money when they don't have to open their wallets, the bookstore
>>> decided the demand was too great for the man-power they had, so they 
>>> stopped accepting online orders and now have everyone come to the 
>>> bookstore once they're on campus to buy their books.
>>> 
>>> This has created several problems for the general campus student 
>>> without any extenuating circumstances or disabilities.  E.G, the way 
>>> professors submit adoptions or book orders is different now, so the 
>>> bookstore lost the adoption one of my professors placed, and only 
>>> ordered enough books for one section of his class when he teaches two.
>>> Another class I'm in doesn't have books yet because for some reason 
>>> the bookstore didn't realize that class would be taught this 
>>> semester, so they didn't replenish their supply of the book.  One 
>>> person in the class is sharing the last copy the store had with everyone
> else.
>>> Thank goodness it's a class that meets once a week so everyone can 
>>> get their reading done.  The other book for the class wasn't in 
>>> either, and the professor just decided to loan out her personal 
>>> copies until the bookstore got the ones for the class in.  Because 
>>> the bookstore didn't take online orders, they didn't really have an 
>>> accurate count of how many books they would need to order for each 
>>> class.  I saw plenty of students in the special order line when I was 
>>> in there trying to sort out my stuff, "special order" being for books 
>>> that aren't necessarily rare, but just aren't in any of the bulk 
>>> orders the bookstore thought to place.  Plenty of sighted students 
>>> have had to wait for books to come in, have had to special order 
>>> things for their classes, and professors have needed to postpone 
>>> assignments when their class was textbook-less.  Overall, it's just a 
>>> less-efficient system that isn't working for anyone.
>>> 
>>> The problem for me, and other students who get alternative formats, 
>>> is that legally the university can't give out the alternative format 
>>> copy without a receipt.  When I went to special order two of my 
>>> books, I tried to get the employees to give me a receipt for my 
>>> order.  They refused, and said that I would get a receipt when I 
>>> picked the books up and paid for them then.  They would not let me 
>>> pay in advance, even though sooner or later I would pay for and get 
>>> the book in some order anyway.
>>> 
>>> Today, when I took my third trip to the bookstore to check on another 
>>> book which is still not in, I asked if my special order I had placed 
>>> 2 weeks ago had arrived, because I was told I would be notified by 
>>> phone when it came in and it had been a while.  I picked up two other 
>>> books a week ago, and the third book I placed on special order along with
>>> the other two was not in then.   I didn't get a phone call about those
>>> other two books even though they had been on the shelf when I checked 
>>> in person, so I just wanted to check again in the store.  This time I 
>>> was a little more insistent with the employees that they figure out 
>>> what was going on with my textbook, because it was my third trip 
>>> there, and I wasn't receiving phone calls I was told I would receive, 
>>> so I wanted to leave there with the book or with knowledge about what 
>>> was going on.  They called the publisher and said that the order was 
>>> automatically canceled by them when they saw I ordered the second 
>>> edition of the book rather than the third, and Oxford Press didn't 
>>> tell the bookstore that they did that.  How I, the student, am 
>>> supposed to know that happened when the second edition is what the 
>>> bookstore site said I should buy is beyond me, and I mentioned to 
>>> them that the other students in my class who don't have their books 
>>> will probably come in wanting new orders as well because midterms are 
>>> in 2 weeks, and no one has their stuff yet except for one person.  I 
>>> then tried to get them to somehow give me proof of order or purchase, 
>>> which I had tried to do with some other books before when I special 
>>> ordered them.  I had already been told once that they won't let me 
>>> pay for the books in advance as I mentioned before, but I told them 
>>> that it is pointless for the Disabil8ity office to have these books 
>>> done and to have put all the time into converting them, and for them 
>>> to not be able to give them to me on a technicality that isn't their
> fault.
>>> Plus, by week 5 of school, it is ridiculous that people are still 
>>> having isssues getting books, and it really does hold the people with 
>>> alternative formats hostage because we can't just borrow someone 
>>> else's book to get our reading done.  I finally got a manager and 
>>> explained the situation I'm having, and he went with me to a register 
>>> and told the casheer to charge me for the book in advance so I could 
>>> have a receipt to take to the disability office and get my book.
>>> 
>>> The textbook manager seemed to understand why this is a problem, and 
>>> apologized for not thinking about it when they changed how things 
>>> work for ordering books, but it is clear that the disability office 
>>> hasn't said anything to the bookstore, and no other student has 
>>> explained the problems related to alternative formats and getting the 
>>> print copy so we can get the alternative copy to the manager.  I know 
>>> there are plenty of students on my campus who use alternative format 
>>> textbooks, but I guess I'm going to have to be the one who is the squeaky
> wheel.
>>> The only issue is that I'm not exactly sure what to do next now that 
>>> I've explained what the problem is.  I have the textbook manager's
>>> name now and know how to get ahold of him directly, but this is a 
>>> bigger issue than just getting my personal books, and I'd like for it 
>>> to be fixed next semester.  Who knows; maybe changes that would make 
>>> it easier for people to order in advance to get alternative formats 
>>> would make the system more like what it was, and therefore easier for 
>>> everybody.
>>> 
>>> Thoughts?
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>> 
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> Message: 16
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 22:37:32 -0400
> From: Jeff Crouch k8tvv <kd8qiq at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Accessible TI84 Calculator
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> 
> Hey Jordyn,
> I use the TI84+ for the algebra 2 class, and I used it for the
> geometry class I took last year, its definatly well worth the 600.
> Wile I don't know how to use  the more advanced capabilities of it, it
> is still worth the investment.
> 
> HTH
> 
>> On 9/23/14, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> I am in need of an accessible TI84+ calculator for my Statistics for
>> Engineers course. Do you have any suggestions other than the one from APH? I
>> think $599 is  a bit pricy. haha Are there any apps for the iPhone that are
>> decent scientific calculators?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Jordyn
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> 
> Message: 17
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
> Message-ID: <54223265.a52f460a.440f.ffffa9eb at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Hi All,
> I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to with early action 
> and the rest for regular action.
> Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it? If you did, did you 
> have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to your advantage?
> Thanks for any input.
> Vejas
> 
> 
> 
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> 
> Message: 18
> Date: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 23:09:55 -0700
> From: Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>    <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
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> 
> The Chao Train and Accessibility Internet Rally (OpenAIR)
> http://chaosat.wordpress.com/
> September 17, 2014
> On 9/7/14, The Chao Train was formally launch. My role is
> Volunteer/Community Coordinator.
> What is it?
> "non-profit skills-based donation service -- all experience from Kevin Chao's:
> IDAW accessibility firm;
> and PMI mobile stabilization stand hardware 2.0.
> These two businesses have been integrated and are core-values in our
> organization...
> Chao Train has expertise in delivering world class Mobile OCR training
> and skills in alt media support!!!
> These 2 services are absolutely free to anyone who is blind or
> visually impaired..."
> ON September 16, at 9:04 AM, I received a phone call from Sharron Rush
> (Executive Director @Knowbility). Sharron provided this wonderful
> endorsement:
> "He is a brilliant technologist and successful entrepreneur who is
> interested in Knowbility and our mission."
> Rush connected me with: Jessica Looney, Community Programs Manager.
> The action item was the following:
> "Thanks to you both, I am excited to have Kevin on the AIR advisers
> and look forward to introducing him to the others this evening."
> Jessica informed me "that OpenAIR are in need of a chair for the
> mentoring committee".
> I responded with:
> "I would be honored and privileged to serve as Chair for OpenAIR
> Mentoring Committee. I appreciate you asking me about this wonderful
> opportunity..."
> 
> 
>> On 9/12/14, Kevin Chao <kevinchao89 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Kevin Chao Has Arrived At His Destination
>> September 10, 2014
>> It's about time that I can finally say that my life feels complete...
>> I have retired twice at the age of 24. I invested a lot of energy into
>> academia and the financial services, spent lots of energy at an
>> educational institution and in the banking world; in July 2014, I took
>> out my 401K and pension plans from the University System of Georgia
>> and JPMorgan Chase.
>> I am engaged with the love of my life with a glamorous house, fancy
>> cars, animals as babies...
>> All American blonde (French, Irish, and Swedish) woman;
>> 4 bedrooms, 2 bathrooms, spacious front/backyards;
>> Mercedes E350, Mitsubishi Eclipse;
>> Exotic Australian Bird and Poodle/Shih Tzu/Maltez dogs;
>> And, we will get married on 10/17/14, exactly a quarter-of-a-century
>> after the big earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area...
>> ON September 8, 2014, I formed my own not-for-profit organization,
>> which is in academia, an educational campaign, an awareness effort for
>> those of us who are blind/visually impaired...
>> 
>>> On 9/11/14, Sami Osborne <ligne14 at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> Hi Kevin,
>>> 
>>> Wow, really nice story! It does seem that you've been through a
>>> lot in the past 6 years.
>>> 
>>> Wow, you've actually been to China? That's cool.  I've never been
>>> all the way over there, but would love to go some day and see how
>>> it is.
>>> 
>>> How was that Skype conference you were talking about? That's
>>> really awesome that you got to travel around the world, which is
>>> also one of my dreams :)
>>> 
>>> Good luck with all your future endeavors.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Sami.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Kevin Chao via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Thu, 11 Sep 2014 13:29:47 -0700
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Inclusive Digital Accessibility World
>>> 
>>> Resurrecting Kevin's Blog After Six Years...
>>> August 14, 2014
>>> The Summer of 2008 is when my cousin, Michell Gip experimented
>>> with
>>> Beike Biotech and went in for treatment for an entire month in
>>> Qingdao.  In May 2009, I went to China to make myself a test
>>> subject
>>> for stem cell therapy.  This was an attempt to create a solution
>>> for a
>>> problem that I experienced when I was 14.  A decade ago, three of
>>> my
>>> cousin's (10 years old girl, 5 YO boy, and 12 YO boy) on my
>>> mother
>>> side of the family, and I were diagnosed with: Leber hereditary
>>> optic
>>> neuropathy (LHON).
>>> Since October, 2009, I had Twitter.com/KevinChao89 and handed the
>>> Twitter account over to my significant other in June 2014.  Our
>>> joint-personal Twitter handle is: https://twitter.com/janicem2020
>>> and
>>> our business handle is: https://twitter.com/probizmgmt
>>> On 10/1/12, I was ask to RSVP - Skype Closed Beta Days 2012.
>>> Below is the letter I received:
>>> "Dear Beta Tester,
>>> Every year we honour those members of our beta test team who have
>>> excelled in their participation to join us for a two day
>>> technical
>>> conference and meet people from all over the globe.
>>> We are deeply thankful for your contribution to Skype Beta
>>> Program
>>> during 2012.  And you are cordially invited to 2012 Skype Beta
>>> Days.
>>> Skype will cover all your travel cost (air flight, hotel) for the
>>> event attendance.
>>> Event Details
>>> Place : Prague, Czech Republic
>>> Venue: Radisson Blu, Prague
>>> Date: Nov 14 -16"
>>> In November, 2012, After working at the Georgia Institute of
>>> Technology (job title: Accessibility and Quality Control
>>> Specialist)
>>> in Atlanta, I founded Inclusive Digital Accessibility World.  IDA
>>> WORLD
>>> is your accessibility consultant providing audits, quality
>>> assurance
>>> evaluations, and trainings for small businesses, large
>>> enterprises,
>>> and people with disabilities.
>>> Biz Clients: Google, Apple, Microsoft, Skype, CourseSmart,
>>> MailChimp,
>>> My Blind Spot, Pro Money Image, PayPal, JPMorgan Chase & Co.,
>>> Braille
>>> Works, RSA Security Management, etc.
>>> Business Partners: Janice Messier, Lyft, Uber, Michaels Arts &
>>> Crafts,
>>> Tap Plastics, Niche Business Cafe, Mike May Speaking, 6dot,
>>> Intuit,
>>> UpperCloud Media, The Michael Hingson Group (Motivational
>>> Speaker),
>>> etc.
>>> In the mix of my business trip to Europe, I had to plan for my
>>> work
>>> with JPMorgan Chase & Co.  as Digital Accessibility SME in San
>>> Francisco, CA.  My dreams of traveling the world, working for a
>>> technology company, and working in Silicon Valley all came true;
>>> I
>>> felt like I was in paradise!!!
>>> For detailed specifics on my career, please see my professional
>>> profile on: https://www.linkedin.com/in/kevinchao89
>>> 
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> 
> 
> 
> ------------------------------
> 
> Message: 19
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2014 06:31:12 -0500
> From: Sophie Trist <sweetpeareader at gmail.com>
> To: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>, National
>    Association of Blind Students mailing list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
> Message-ID: <5422abaf.63578c0a.ad1e.ffff8bf7 at mx.google.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed
> 
> Vejas, I think you should apply early action to all of your 
> colleges. Unlike early decision, early action is not a binding 
> legal agreement. The benefit of early action over regular action, 
> which I don't intend to use at all, is that you find out whether 
> you're acepted earlier. This gives you ore time to apply for 
> appropriate scholarships and make your final decision.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
> Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
> 
> Hi All,
> I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to 
> with early action
> and the rest for regular action.
> Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it? 
> If you did, did you
> have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to 
> your advantage?
> Thanks for any input.
> Vejas
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Sep 25 15:07:10 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:07:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] September Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <CAKQ+Jjwr0f9VQG6vbp6UrvX9XjrmTM1sFW8rsxZETK=HaKhfHQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAKQ+Jjwr0f9VQG6vbp6UrvX9XjrmTM1sFW8rsxZETK=HaKhfHQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS1822BDC648A2D1ADA58287BABE0@phx.gbl>

Hello Candice,

Thank you for sending out this announcement about the upcoming membership
conference call. Since there may be some students who participated in the
membership survey who may not be subscribed to this email list, I would
suggest that you may wish to consider sending this message to the new master
student email list or through the student database. Not all students are
subscribed to this email list, and I would hate to see someone miss out on
participating in this conference call simply because they are not subscribed
to this email list, but may be subscribed to a state student division email
list or appear in the membership database.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Candice Chapman
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:00 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] September Membership Call

Greetings NABS,

Summer's officially over and classes are in full swing once again, and it's
time again for an introductory membership call. Please join us for a
membership call in which you can not only meet the National Association of
Blind Students Board, but also have a chance to discuss the results of the
Membership Survey that you all recently participated in.

Join us this Sunday at 8 eastern/ 7 central to participate in the
conversation.

Call 605-475-6700 and use code 7869673.

Looking forward to seeing you all there!

Best,

Candice Chapman

NABS Membership Chair

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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 18:09:07 2014
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 11:09:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Apps
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzUSBRw4sLia8QJoGAMgSLqKTswT9aDhTyEHXJuGb7-jg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I know this comes up time and time again and that accessibility of
Google products is getting better and so is the documentation.

I am just starting classes, and Google Drive, Docs, Slides, and
everything is used by everyone. Literally.

I have attempted to read the documentation and am getting no where. I
know that using JAWS is the worst idea, but I could really benefit
from talking to someone about workarounds.

If anyone is willing to talk to me a bit off list, I would really appreciate it.

Sorry for the rant, but it is becoming immediately apparent that I am
the "different" student in my cohort. There is a collaborative slide
deck that several students are working on at the same time right now.
And there is a social aspect as well, messing with peoples' slides,
writing humorous things, etc. And I am totally missing it. I have to
remind everyone 200 times that I need to use a different format and it
is an inconvenience to everyone. I just really want to try to access
as much as I can using the same products. I just continue to spend
hours trying to figure out workarounds and get nowhere. So I am
clearly not doing something right, or the things I am attempting are
not accessible as the documentation claims.

Thanks,

Cindy

-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Graduate Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
Federation of the Blind of Washington
Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 18:49:17 2014
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 13:49:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] September Membership Call
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS1822BDC648A2D1ADA58287BABE0@phx.gbl>
References: <CAKQ+Jjwr0f9VQG6vbp6UrvX9XjrmTM1sFW8rsxZETK=HaKhfHQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS1822BDC648A2D1ADA58287BABE0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <C4079F81-35C0-4441-9361-18040263846B@gmail.com>

Hey Elizabeth, 

Already done. It should be out soon. 

Best, 

Candice

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 25, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello Candice,
> 
> Thank you for sending out this announcement about the upcoming membership
> conference call. Since there may be some students who participated in the
> membership survey who may not be subscribed to this email list, I would
> suggest that you may wish to consider sending this message to the new master
> student email list or through the student database. Not all students are
> subscribed to this email list, and I would hate to see someone miss out on
> participating in this conference call simply because they are not subscribed
> to this email list, but may be subscribed to a state student division email
> list or appear in the membership database.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Candice Chapman
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, September 25, 2014 2:00 AM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] September Membership Call
> 
> Greetings NABS,
> 
> Summer's officially over and classes are in full swing once again, and it's
> time again for an introductory membership call. Please join us for a
> membership call in which you can not only meet the National Association of
> Blind Students Board, but also have a chance to discuss the results of the
> Membership Survey that you all recently participated in.
> 
> Join us this Sunday at 8 eastern/ 7 central to participate in the
> conversation.
> 
> Call 605-475-6700 and use code 7869673.
> 
> Looking forward to seeing you all there!
> 
> Best,
> 
> Candice Chapman
> 
> NABS Membership Chair
> 
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 19:09:57 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 15:09:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Apps
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdzUSBRw4sLia8QJoGAMgSLqKTswT9aDhTyEHXJuGb7-jg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CACUFQdzUSBRw4sLia8QJoGAMgSLqKTswT9aDhTyEHXJuGb7-jg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAA+vbPutjE86vkzXn47KEGnJ-FfJ3BX+KXd0vYE4n9mJkA+4ew@mail.gmail.com>

Cindy:
Feel free to email me off list.



On 9/25/14, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know this comes up time and time again and that accessibility of
> Google products is getting better and so is the documentation.
>
> I am just starting classes, and Google Drive, Docs, Slides, and
> everything is used by everyone. Literally.
>
> I have attempted to read the documentation and am getting no where. I
> know that using JAWS is the worst idea, but I could really benefit
> from talking to someone about workarounds.
>
> If anyone is willing to talk to me a bit off list, I would really appreciate
> it.
>
> Sorry for the rant, but it is becoming immediately apparent that I am
> the "different" student in my cohort. There is a collaborative slide
> deck that several students are working on at the same time right now.
> And there is a social aspect as well, messing with peoples' slides,
> writing humorous things, etc. And I am totally missing it. I have to
> remind everyone 200 times that I need to use a different format and it
> is an inconvenience to everyone. I just really want to try to access
> as much as I can using the same products. I just continue to spend
> hours trying to figure out workarounds and get nowhere. So I am
> clearly not doing something right, or the things I am attempting are
> not accessible as the documentation claims.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cindy
>
> --
> Cindy Bennett
> 1st Year Graduate Student, University of Washington
> Human Centered Design and Engineering
>
> Treasurer of the Greater Seattle Chapter and of the National
> Federation of the Blind of Washington
> Affiliates of the National Federation of the Blind
>
> clb5590 at gmail.com
>
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>


-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Sep 25 21:32:18 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 25 Sep 2014 17:32:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Adapting Learning in the digital age
Message-ID: <542489e2.8680b60a.69d2.ffffc4b7@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

Today in my Cornerstone class we Had a discussion about learning 
is being merged with technology in the digital age.  I brought up 
the moint about students with disabilities being denied access to 
their course materials because of inaccessible technology that is 
used in universities and public schoools.  I also discussed the 
perspective of an auditory learner who learns through listening 
to recorded materials.  How have you used adaptive technology to 
complete your assignments? Hope to hear from you soon.


From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 15:58:17 2014
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Paez)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 11:58:17 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] hello to all
Message-ID: <48A9FF58-06EA-4298-B178-3972E21D4DF5@gmail.com>

Hi all, just sending a quick hello message to all of you out there.
I hope you’re having a  great Friday.
If you would like to contact me with any questions or just to say hello email mabelin_r at hotmail.com
And I’ll reply as soon as possible.
I also want to comment on the new IOs8 update for the iPhone.
I don’t know about you but I’ve been having a problem in which when I do a facetime call on my phone VoiceOver crashes. I don’t know if this is a bug everyone’s experiencing for those whom have iPhones.
Please message back if you wish.
Mabelin



From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Fri Sep 26 18:41:09 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 14:41:09 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Angels Over Me, Jacksonville, FL:
Message-ID: <BLU402-EAS3208096DB7B016FFECDD9D8DCBF0@phx.gbl>

Hi all,
Has anyone ever heard of this organization? What is it's mission re blindness? I ask since, I do not have time to research it for someone else who is blind needing information regarding resources in Florida.
Thanks in advance, have a great afternoon and weekend.



From programmer651 at comcast.net  Fri Sep 26 19:31:36 2014
From: programmer651 at comcast.net (programmer651 at comcast.net)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
Message-ID: <1319983028.37142017.1411759896795.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>

Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried the link below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it looks good visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses and atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is visually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
Tyler Z


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 19:37:48 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 15:37:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
In-Reply-To: <1319983028.37142017.1411759896795.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
References: <1319983028.37142017.1411759896795.JavaMail.root@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CA87918B-A96C-4AEB-95C5-3107AAD647A2@gmail.com>

I have a hardcopy Braille version of the Periodic Table which I believe came from APH. With it comes a reference book which contains  lists of the elements sorted by atomic number, element name and atomic mass. Hope this helps.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 26, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried the link below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it looks good visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses and atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is visually.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
> Tyler Z
> 
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Fri Sep 26 20:13:01 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:13:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
Message-ID: <5425c8d5.414c3c0a.46d4.6236@mx.google.com>

Hi,
There is a periodic table database for the BrailleNote that you can find in the 
braille-note program library of the braille-note users web site.  It has the element 
name, period and mass.  In my opinion it's a very helpful  resource, although I think 
it should be used as a supplement to the hard copy.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table

Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried the link 
below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it looks good 
visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses and 
atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is visually.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
Tyler Z

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From programmer651 at comcast.net  Fri Sep 26 20:17:08 2014
From: programmer651 at comcast.net (Tyler)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 16:17:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
Message-ID: <20140926201707.2536.76979.levelstar.mail@everest>

Yeah, I don't have a Braillenote with a database manager, so that won't work. I guess I'll have 
to go find that hard copy.
Tyler Z
On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:13:01 -0700, Vejas Vasiliauskas wrote:


>Hi,
>There is a periodic table database for the BrailleNote that you can find in the 
>braille-note program library of the braille-note users web site.  It has the 
>element 
>name, period and mass.  In my opinion it's a very helpful  resource, although I 
>think 
>it should be used as a supplement to the hard copy.
>Vejas
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
>Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
>
>Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried the 
>link 
>below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it 
>looks good 
>visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses and 
>atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is visually.
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
>Tyler Z
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 01:35:48 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:35:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
In-Reply-To: <20140926201707.2536.76979.levelstar.mail@everest>
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Hi,

The hard copy from APH is wonderful.  I had it through middle and high
school, and found it extremely easy to use.  I also don't remember it
being terribly expensive should it be faster for you to buy it
yourself or if you'll need it long-term, but I don't know if it has
changed in the several years its been since I got mine.

On 9/26/14, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Yeah, I don't have a Braillenote with a database manager, so that won't
> work. I guess I'll have
> to go find that hard copy.
> Tyler Z
> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:13:01 -0700, Vejas Vasiliauskas wrote:
>
>
>>Hi,
>>There is a periodic table database for the BrailleNote that you can find in
>> the
>>braille-note program library of the braille-note users web site.  It has
>> the
>>element
>>name, period and mass.  In my opinion it's a very helpful  resource,
>> although I
>>think
>>it should be used as a supplement to the hard copy.
>>Vejas
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
>>Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
>>
>>Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried
>> the
>>link
>>below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it
>>
>>looks good
>>visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses
>> and
>>atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is
>> visually.
>>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
>>Tyler Z
>>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 01:48:30 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 21:48:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
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Hi Vejas and all,

I was told the same thing as Minh when I was applying, so I would look
at the pros and cons.  If the college you are considering applying
early action is so much your top choice that you might not even bother
applying to other schools if you get in, then I'd go ahead and do it.
IF you're on the fence about that kind of a decision, or want to weigh
your options between different schools a little more, I would consider
going regular action for it.  I applied early action to the university
I am currently attending, but it was only because it was the one place
out of my options that I really wanted to go to, and once I found out
I was accepted in January I didn't fill out a single application to
another school.  I did take a risk there because I still had to
audition and gain acceptance into the music department, so it could
have ended badly, but I don't regret it, and like that I didn't have
to worry about any more applications for the last half of my senior
year.

To answer your question, when I did early action I did not have to do
anything beyond the standard application requirements.  The only
difference was that my deadlines for submitting everything and getting
my guidance counselor to send my transcripts were earlier.

Best of luck,

On 9/24/14, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> The only thing about Early Action programs, from what I've been told
> when I was applying to colleges a couple years ago is that admission
> offices will hold your application up to a higher standard than
> normal. Early Action is intended to find students that truly want to
> attend a particular college so it's a lot more rigorous than regular
> decision. Also, your chances of getting accepted is higher if you
> apply regular decision because you are competing with "regular"
> students. This is not to say you shouldn't do early action if it's a
> school that you really want to attend; after all, it would get the
> hassle of waiting for acceptance letters out of the way and you can
> focus on applying to scholarships or just enjoy the last semester of
> senior year.
>
> Minh
>
> On 9/24/14, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Vejas, I think you should apply early action to all of your
>> colleges. Unlike early decision, early action is not a binding
>> legal agreement. The benefit of early action over regular action,
>> which I don't intend to use at all, is that you find out whether
>> you're acepted earlier. This gives you ore time to apply for
>> appropriate scholarships and make your final decision.
>>
>>  ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Tue, 23 Sep 2014 19:54:24 -0700
>> Subject: [nabs-l] early action for colleges
>>
>> Hi All,
>> I am considering applying for one of the colleges I want to go to
>> with early action
>> and the rest for regular action.
>> Have any of you applied with early action or had thought of it?
>> If you did, did you
>> have to write an extra essay? Did you find that doing so was to
>> your advantage?
>> Thanks for any input.
>> Vejas
>>
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>
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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sat Sep 27 02:45:11 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 22:45:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
Message-ID: <090401cfd9fd$0fe54270$2fafc750$@fuse.net>

Hi, 

 

So now I have a working list of colleges, went to the fair and got some
information, and now I'm ready to start contacting the colleges on my list
to get more information beyond the brochures. 

 

How do I contact the admissions counselor? I have heard both a
recommendation to do it by email and by phone. I do know there is value to
talking by phone, but email would help me to probably get the information
faster, as well as being able to let me compare all of the info side by
side. Is there one way that is better or that would help me more? 

 

What questions do I ask? Test scores are generally found on websites. Who
would I ask about special scholarships awarded at the college? Is this the
person to request information such as dates for sending college application
stuff in? Could I ask for more information on my field of choice from this
person, or do I contact the chair of that department? I am assuming I also
ask this person for information regarding current students that go to that
college. What other things should I ask? 

 

When contacting the disability support services offices, what do I ask for?
Understand that I am not going to the school that will automatically give me
the best disability services, but since I will be a bit further away from my
house ideally I will probably at least need to exercise some caution in
picking a college based on what they could give me in terms of accomidation
(for example, I couldn't have my parents probably read me a chapter of a
textbook if I didn't have it, for example.) What other questions do I ask? 

 

I would love to hear any advice about choosing the right college or what to
ask on or off list. 

 

I am also curious to hear what you all have done in regarding college
visits. I want to do visits when students are there, which I am assuming
means they have to be done throughout the week (I'm not sure of this.) 

However, I want to visit four different cities in Kentucky, and 5 colleges
all together in those cities. My school only allows me 2 college visit days,
and I really do not want to miss school. It also is probably not feasible
for me to go down to these cities (all around 1.5-2 hours from my house and
not really sure how near each other they are) very often. How have you
managed this or what suggestions do you have to manage this? Are weekend
visits a good idea? I do have a fall break coming up where I could go down
to 1 or maybe 2 cities, but probably not all 4 and have quality visits at
each college. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated on anything related to this at all. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Lillie


From dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 03:25:54 2014
From: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 23:25:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] SAT study material
Message-ID: <16F548F8-67AC-467A-8442-3B6E3CE4A131@gmail.com>

Hello NABSters,

So just to add to the growing number of college questions posed here by high school students who are beginning to embark on this journey, I have a question regarding the all important PSAT and SAT tests. I am scheduled to see it for the PSAT again in a couple weeks and the SAT in June. My English scores were great, though my math score could use some improvement. I am told that there are study materials available from the college board which could help me prepare for the math SAT. Does anyone know of any accessible format in which I could find this study material? How would I go about getting this information? Does anyone have any general tips on the math section of the SAT for me? Any help with this would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 27 06:12:45 2014
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 02:12:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
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Ask in both email and phone.  See if  any new information is available. Some information found online is not up-to-date. Hope this helps, good luck.

Sent from my iPad

> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, 
> 
> 
> 
> So now I have a working list of colleges, went to the fair and got some
> information, and now I'm ready to start contacting the colleges on my list
> to get more information beyond the brochures. 
> 
> 
> 
> How do I contact the admissions counselor? I have heard both a
> recommendation to do it by email and by phone. I do know there is value to
> talking by phone, but email would help me to probably get the information
> faster, as well as being able to let me compare all of the info side by
> side. Is there one way that is better or that would help me more? 
> 
> 
> 
> What questions do I ask? Test scores are generally found on websites. Who
> would I ask about special scholarships awarded at the college? Is this the
> person to request information such as dates for sending college application
> stuff in? Could I ask for more information on my field of choice from this
> person, or do I contact the chair of that department? I am assuming I also
> ask this person for information regarding current students that go to that
> college. What other things should I ask? 
> 
> 
> 
> When contacting the disability support services offices, what do I ask for?
> Understand that I am not going to the school that will automatically give me
> the best disability services, but since I will be a bit further away from my
> house ideally I will probably at least need to exercise some caution in
> picking a college based on what they could give me in terms of accomidation
> (for example, I couldn't have my parents probably read me a chapter of a
> textbook if I didn't have it, for example.) What other questions do I ask? 
> 
> 
> 
> I would love to hear any advice about choosing the right college or what to
> ask on or off list. 
> 
> 
> 
> I am also curious to hear what you all have done in regarding college
> visits. I want to do visits when students are there, which I am assuming
> means they have to be done throughout the week (I'm not sure of this.) 
> 
> However, I want to visit four different cities in Kentucky, and 5 colleges
> all together in those cities. My school only allows me 2 college visit days,
> and I really do not want to miss school. It also is probably not feasible
> for me to go down to these cities (all around 1.5-2 hours from my house and
> not really sure how near each other they are) very often. How have you
> managed this or what suggestions do you have to manage this? Are weekend
> visits a good idea? I do have a fall break coming up where I could go down
> to 1 or maybe 2 cities, but probably not all 4 and have quality visits at
> each college. 
> 
> 
> 
> Any advice would be appreciated on anything related to this at all. 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, 
> 
> 
> 
> Lillie
> 
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From freethaught at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 06:15:45 2014
From: freethaught at gmail.com (Antonio Guimaraes)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 02:15:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
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Touch Graphics has a talking tactile version of the periodic table. I haven’t used it, but I know their other products that use the smart pen are phenomenal.

the price on their site may not include all the tools you’ll need to use the table. You’ll have to by the smart pen, available as a mainstream product.

I recommend talking to Steve Landow so you can ask about any other related products.

Check out this link:

http://touchgraphics.com/OnlineStore/index.php/ttp-app-periodic-table.html

Antonio






On Sep 26, 2014, at 9:35 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> The hard copy from APH is wonderful.  I had it through middle and high
> school, and found it extremely easy to use.  I also don't remember it
> being terribly expensive should it be faster for you to buy it
> yourself or if you'll need it long-term, but I don't know if it has
> changed in the several years its been since I got mine.
> 
> On 9/26/14, Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Yeah, I don't have a Braillenote with a database manager, so that won't
>> work. I guess I'll have
>> to go find that hard copy.
>> Tyler Z
>> On Fri, 26 Sep 2014 13:13:01 -0700, Vejas Vasiliauskas wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> There is a periodic table database for the BrailleNote that you can find in
>>> the
>>> braille-note program library of the braille-note users web site.  It has
>>> the
>>> element
>>> name, period and mass.  In my opinion it's a very helpful  resource,
>>> although I
>>> think
>>> it should be used as a supplement to the hard copy.
>>> Vejas
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Tyler via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Fri, 26 Sep 2014 19:31:36 +0000 (UTC)
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] periodic table
>>> 
>>> Where can I find a blind accessible periodic table for chemistry? I tried
>>> the
>>> link
>>> below, but it doesn't tell me what period/group they're in; even though it
>>> 
>>> looks good
>>> visually, JAWS just reads it like a list of elements, average atomic masses
>>> and
>>> atomic numbers, but no way of indicating how they react, like it is
>>> visually.
>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/periodic_table_(large_version)
>>> Tyler Z
>>> 
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 10:12:40 2014
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 06:12:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
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	<BLU402-EAS81373FAC13FC8319B2B99CDCBC0@phx.gbl>
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Lillie,

I want to recommend you do a lot more research about the schools you
want to attend before contacting Admission counselors to get more
information. Many of the questions you posed can be easily answered by
going to the college website and looking through the Admissions
portion of the site. Furthermore, student life stats can be found in
the student life or student affairs section. This way, you can learn
more about the college and have concrete questions to ask the
counselor once you do contact them. Speaking from experience, many
Admission counselors are extremely busy and if you email/call with
questions like, what is the graduation rate of the school or how is
the school broken down in terms of diversity, they will automatically
point you toward their website for those kind of statistics. As for
college tours, don't be afraid to visit on the weekends because
college breaks are completely different from high school breaks and I
guarantee that there will always be students around for you to talk
to. College students are always happy to talk to perspective students
about the good and the bad of their university. Another thing you
should look into when researching your colleges is see whether or not
they have an overnight host program where perspective students can go
and stay with a current student and learn more about the true
environment of the college. I did several of these programs as a
junior/senior in HS and they gave me a glimpse into the student life
of my perspective schools.

Regarding talking to DS offices, this is a lot easier because you
already know what you need as a student. Make a list of the
accommodations you are receiving now as a high school student and
discuss each point with whichever office you are talking to. If
braille is a huge must for you, tell them that you need all your
materials in braille. If you only need braille for math and science,
say that too. I don't think we can create a list of questions for you
to ask because it is so subjective.

Good luck,
Minh

On 9/27/14, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Ask in both email and phone.  See if  any new information is available. Some
> information found online is not up-to-date. Hope this helps, good luck.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 10:45 PM, Lillie Pennington via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>>
>> So now I have a working list of colleges, went to the fair and got some
>> information, and now I'm ready to start contacting the colleges on my
>> list
>> to get more information beyond the brochures.
>>
>>
>>
>> How do I contact the admissions counselor? I have heard both a
>> recommendation to do it by email and by phone. I do know there is value
>> to
>> talking by phone, but email would help me to probably get the information
>> faster, as well as being able to let me compare all of the info side by
>> side. Is there one way that is better or that would help me more?
>>
>>
>>
>> What questions do I ask? Test scores are generally found on websites. Who
>> would I ask about special scholarships awarded at the college? Is this
>> the
>> person to request information such as dates for sending college
>> application
>> stuff in? Could I ask for more information on my field of choice from
>> this
>> person, or do I contact the chair of that department? I am assuming I
>> also
>> ask this person for information regarding current students that go to
>> that
>> college. What other things should I ask?
>>
>>
>>
>> When contacting the disability support services offices, what do I ask
>> for?
>> Understand that I am not going to the school that will automatically give
>> me
>> the best disability services, but since I will be a bit further away from
>> my
>> house ideally I will probably at least need to exercise some caution in
>> picking a college based on what they could give me in terms of
>> accomidation
>> (for example, I couldn't have my parents probably read me a chapter of a
>> textbook if I didn't have it, for example.) What other questions do I ask?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> I would love to hear any advice about choosing the right college or what
>> to
>> ask on or off list.
>>
>>
>>
>> I am also curious to hear what you all have done in regarding college
>> visits. I want to do visits when students are there, which I am assuming
>> means they have to be done throughout the week (I'm not sure of this.)
>>
>> However, I want to visit four different cities in Kentucky, and 5
>> colleges
>> all together in those cities. My school only allows me 2 college visit
>> days,
>> and I really do not want to miss school. It also is probably not feasible
>> for me to go down to these cities (all around 1.5-2 hours from my house
>> and
>> not really sure how near each other they are) very often. How have you
>> managed this or what suggestions do you have to manage this? Are weekend
>> visits a good idea? I do have a fall break coming up where I could go
>> down
>> to 1 or maybe 2 cities, but probably not all 4 and have quality visits at
>> each college.
>>
>>
>>
>> Any advice would be appreciated on anything related to this at all.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>>
>>
>> Lillie
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 15:18:43 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:18:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Rewh Early Action for Colleges
Message-ID: <5426d556.c5443c0a.5e61.ffffc9af@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas and all,

When I started applying to college I started the poocess early.  
For me early action meant making phone calls to the Disability 
Support Services office on the main campus to set up a meeting.  
I made sure my transcripts were sent to Seminole State College 
right after I graduated from high school.  When I applied to UCF 
I applied in December of last year and got accepted in January of 
this year.  Starting the application process early allows you to 
get other things in place.


From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 16:24:08 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:24:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships
Message-ID: <5426e4db.04a8e00a.0438.1b1e@mx.google.com>

Hello NABS friends,

I have a few questions regarding the NFB scholarships. I'm a 
senior in high school, so it's time for me to start thinking 
about stuff like that. I'm going to be a student at LCB starting 
next July. Should I apply for an NFB scholarship this year or 
next year while I'm at the center? What are the requirements for 
the NFB scholarship? Where can I find that kind of information? 
Thanks for any help, and I hope you all have a good weekend.

Yours,
Sophie


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Sep 27 16:30:46 2014
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 12:30:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships
In-Reply-To: <5426e4db.04a8e00a.0438.1b1e@mx.google.com>
References: <5426e4db.04a8e00a.0438.1b1e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8D1A887867AB4AC-30E0-20486@webmail-m288.sysops.aol.com>

Hi Sophie,
How long will you be at LCB?
If you will be there only for a few months then go to college in the 
fall, you can apply this year.
One of the eligibility guidelines for the scholarship applicants is 
that you enroll in college the school year following your receiving the 
scholarship.
You could check out more details here.
www.nfb.org/scholarships
Best wishes in completing your senior year and college application 
process along with scholarship applications!
Miso

-----Original Message-----
From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: nabs <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Sat, Sep 27, 2014 9:25 am
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships

Hello NABS friends,

I have a few questions regarding the NFB scholarships. I'm a
senior in high school, so it's time for me to start thinking
about stuff like that. I'm going to be a student at LCB starting
next July. Should I apply for an NFB scholarship this year or
next year while I'm at the center? What are the requirements for
the NFB scholarship? Where can I find that kind of information?
Thanks for any help, and I hope you all have a good weekend.

Yours,
Sophie

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 18:19:13 2014
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:19:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships
Message-ID: <5426ffaa.ebffb60a.567b.ffffe2af@mx.google.com>

Sophie,
I think that I will be going to LCB as well.
How do you know that you are going to start in July? Did you pick that date or were 
you assigned that date?
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
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To: nabs <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:24:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships

Hello NABS friends,

I have a few questions regarding the NFB scholarships.  I'm a
senior in high school, so it's time for me to start thinking
about stuff like that.  I'm going to be a student at LCB starting
next July.  Should I apply for an NFB scholarship this year or
next year while I'm at the center? What are the requirements for
the NFB scholarship? Where can I find that kind of information?
Thanks for any help, and I hope you all have a good weekend.

Yours,
Sophie

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From lilliepennington at fuse.net  Sat Sep 27 20:56:37 2014
From: lilliepennington at fuse.net (Lillie Pennington)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 16:56:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gkrYm9rBwXsc3X9T45TaB_P5Xz+3xmA+fkUqjhUnQ6zw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <090401cfd9fd$0fe54270$2fafc750$@fuse.net>
	<BLU402-EAS81373FAC13FC8319B2B99CDCBC0@phx.gbl>
	<CAAJqG9gkrYm9rBwXsc3X9T45TaB_P5Xz+3xmA+fkUqjhUnQ6zw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0B350129-E79C-4934-B4B5-1691F6C52867@fuse.net>

My problem is that I have all of these statistics and information about 10 colleges and don't know what to really do next.
I will keep in mind the dss and overnight programs.
Thanks

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 27, 2014, at 6:12 AM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Lillie,
> 
> I want to recommend you do a lot more research about the schools you
> want to attend before contacting Admission counselors to get more
> information. Many of the questions you posed can be easily answered by
> going to the college website and looking through the Admissions
> portion of the site. Furthermore, student life stats can be found in
> the student life or student affairs section. This way, you can learn
> more about the college and have concrete questions to ask the
> counselor once you do contact them. Speaking from experience, many
> Admission counselors are extremely busy and if you email/call with
> questions like, what is the graduation rate of the school or how is
> the school broken down in terms of diversity, they will automatically
> point you toward their website for those kind of statistics. As for
> college tours, don't be afraid to visit on the weekends because
> college breaks are completely different from high school breaks and I
> guarantee that there will always be students around for you to talk
> to. College students are always happy to talk to perspective students
> about the good and the bad of their university. Another thing you
> should look into when researching your colleges is see whether or not
> they have an overnight host program where perspective students can go
> and stay with a current student and learn more about the true
> environment of the college. I did several of these programs as a
> junior/senior in HS and they gave me a glimpse into the student life
> of my perspective schools.
> 
> Regarding talking to DS offices, this is a lot easier because you
> already know what you need as a student. Make a list of the
> accommodations you are receiving now as a high school student and
> discuss each point with whichever office you are talking to. If
> braille is a huge must for you, tell them that you need all your
> materials in braille. If you only need braille for math and science,
> say that too. I don't think we can create a list of questions for you
> to ask because it is so subjective.
> 
> Good luck,
> Minh
> 
>> On 9/27/14, wmodnl wmodnl via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Ask in both email and phone.  See if  any new information is available. Some


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sat Sep 27 22:36:07 2014
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:36:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hereing aids
Message-ID: <0NCL00CLU05H8P90@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I'm creating this thread for those of you on this list who  use 
hearing aids.
I'm just curious to know what kind of hearing aids you have, and 
whether they work for y; can you here well enough with them, 
depending on your hearing loss (moderate or severe?) Also, how 
much can you here without asking for people to repeat what 
they're saying? Also, do you wear the aids in both ears or just 
one?

  Let me tell you about my personal experience.  I use Bolero Q90 
hearing aids from Phonac, which I wear in both my ears.
I have moderate hearing loss in my right ear, and more severe in 
my left.
 I find them to be extremely effective in helping me with my 
hearing, as I don't have to ask people to repeat what they said 
most of the time.  In fact, my audiologist told me that my aids 
are one of the best so far.
These are my second pair of aids; I got my first pair 5 years 
ago, but they weren't good at all, as I had to constantly ask 
people for what they said.

I'm looking forward hearing about all your experiences.
Again, I'm not an audiologist and I'm not starting a project 
about this, I'm just curious to learn about hearing loss and 
hearing aids, and I know that there are people here who use them.

Hope to here from you soon.

Thanks,

Sami.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 22:42:29 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 15:42:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] [SPAM?] STEM Classes in a Large Lecture Setting
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avc3056NDM4xtQXCe3Q3_4GsEB5DKyw3zTx8bdnZYWOtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8D1A69AF529A265-7F8-14E94@webmail-va066.sysops.aol.com>
	<CAF=_avc3056NDM4xtQXCe3Q3_4GsEB5DKyw3zTx8bdnZYWOtpQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAF78h0z+0RbBOtutWy_dY+3Qvg-YQ_mnP6zb4y9RR3XQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Miso,
I majored in biology and took several bio, chem and stats courses in
large lectures. I personally found that the vast majority of graphical
material was not necessary for me to learn because it was redundant
with the spoken lecture, textbook or both. I was able to earn high
grades in these courses by simply listening to the lectures and
keeping up with textbook reading. Occasionally maybe about 10% of the
time, something in a diagram was actually distinct from the verbal
part of the course. When that happened, a quick discussion with the
prof or TA's in office hours always cleared it up.
Some blind students like to have readers or DSS make them tactile
diagrams. If it helps you learn and your school provides that service,
go ahead. My school provided tactile diagrams but I did not find them
at all helpful. Instead I preferred to have the prof describe
essential information. But everybody is different.
Generally, remember that sighted people usually rely on diagrams and
charts much more than we do, so sighted professors tend to make a
bigger deal about the value of their diagrams than is usually
warranted.

Best,
Arielle

On 9/24/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I know at my school they will make diagrams tactile. I took a digital logic
> design course with wiring diagrams based on color and they offered to make
> them tactile for me.
>
> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>> For those of you who attend a large university and have taken stem
>> classes
>> in a large lecture hall setting, I am asking for your help.
>> This quarter I am taking a introductory life science class and an
>> introductory statistics class. Both classes will be taking place in a
>> lecture hall with about 200 people.
>> The professors have told me that their ppt presentations and such will
>> have graphs and diagrams.
>> Although I have asked them to be as verbal as possible and I trust them
>> that they will do their best I am sure there will be a good amount of
>> information that may not easily transfer to me due to its visual nature
>> and
>> pace the professors have to maintain for the class.
>> In addition to going over such materials with the professors and/or TAs
>> outside of lecture time, what kind of assistance can I get?
>> What kinds of accomodations/assistance can I ask from my university's
>> office for students with disabilities in this situation?
>> Thank you in advance.
>> Miso Kwak
>>
>>
>>
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Sat Sep 27 22:53:09 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 17:53:09 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Hereing aids
Message-ID: <5427400b.c306e00a.3091.4bca@mx.google.com>

I have a mild/moderate hearing loss. I wear a BAHA hearing aid in 
my left ear. It's a bone-conducting hearing aid, so it attaches 
to a screw that was implanted in my skull. I love my hearing aid, 
and my hearing has improved a lot since I got it. I hardly ever 
have to ask people to repeat themselves.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 18:36:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hereing aids

Hi all,

I'm creating this thread for those of you on this list who  use
hearing aids.
I'm just curious to know what kind of hearing aids you have, and
whether they work for y; can you here well enough with them,
depending on your hearing loss (moderate or severe?) Also, how
much can you here without asking for people to repeat what
they're saying? Also, do you wear the aids in both ears or just
one?

  Let me tell you about my personal experience.  I use Bolero Q90
hearing aids from Phonac, which I wear in both my ears.
I have moderate hearing loss in my right ear, and more severe in
my left.
 I find them to be extremely effective in helping me with my
hearing, as I don't have to ask people to repeat what they said
most of the time.  In fact, my audiologist told me that my aids
are one of the best so far.
These are my second pair of aids; I got my first pair 5 years
ago, but they weren't good at all, as I had to constantly ask
people for what they said.

I'm looking forward hearing about all your experiences.
Again, I'm not an audiologist and I'm not starting a project
about this, I'm just curious to learn about hearing loss and
hearing aids, and I know that there are people here who use them.

Hope to here from you soon.

Thanks,

Sami.

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Sep 27 23:10:28 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 19:10:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hearing aids
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS169645CC9DB1060B2518385BABC0@phx.gbl>

Hello Sami,

While there may be some students on this email list who use hearing aids,
you may wish to consider posting this message on the deaf-blind email list.
You can find information about this email list at
http://www.nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nfb-db_nfbnet.org. You may be able to
receive more responses to your questions on the def-blind email list than
you may receive on this email list. From what I have observed, it seems to
me like the deaf-blind division has become a more active division over the
last couple of years. I would highly encourage anyone who is deaf-blind to
check out this division as they would have more resources and experiences
with the deaf-blind community.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sami Osborne
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2014 6:36 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Hereing aids

Hi all,

I'm creating this thread for those of you on this list who  use hearing
aids.
I'm just curious to know what kind of hearing aids you have, and whether
they work for y; can you here well enough with them, depending on your
hearing loss (moderate or severe?) Also, how much can you here without
asking for people to repeat what they're saying? Also, do you wear the aids
in both ears or just one?

  Let me tell you about my personal experience.  I use Bolero Q90 hearing
aids from Phonac, which I wear in both my ears.
I have moderate hearing loss in my right ear, and more severe in my left.
 I find them to be extremely effective in helping me with my hearing, as I
don't have to ask people to repeat what they said most of the time.  In
fact, my audiologist told me that my aids are one of the best so far.
These are my second pair of aids; I got my first pair 5 years ago, but they
weren't good at all, as I had to constantly ask people for what they said.

I'm looking forward hearing about all your experiences.
Again, I'm not an audiologist and I'm not starting a project about this, I'm
just curious to learn about hearing loss and hearing aids, and I know that
there are people here who use them.

Hope to here from you soon.

Thanks,

Sami.

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sun Sep 28 00:27:12 2014
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 20:27:12 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges
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Hello Lily,

It has been quite some time since I was shopping around for the right
college to attend after high school. However, I hope you can find some of my
ideas useful as you are deciding which college you would like to attend once
you graduate. Please forgive me for the long email, but I wanted to do my
best to answer all of your questions to help you as well as anyone else who
is having a difficult time deciding on a college.

First, I read almost everything I could get my hands on that would provide
information about the schools I had some kind of interest in attending. As I
read through this information, I would specifically look for things that I
was looking for in a college. For me this meant looking at such things as
the number of students who attended the college, the class sizes, the
male/female ratio, ethnic backgrounds, and of course, degree programs. I
believe this kind of information would probably appear somewhere on the
college website, or in some of the college finding websites others have
recently mentioned on this email list.

Even though you are only considering colleges within your state, using
factors such as these can help you narrow down your list depending on what
you are looking for in a college. For example, if you were to look at the
top three largest universities in Michigan, there are a number of
differences between them that might appeal to different students. Michigan
State has a more diverse student population than the University of Michigan.
It is also located minutes from the capitol in Michigan, and has a rich
history in agricultural sciences. However, both Michigan State and the
University of Michigan are located in what I would consider medium size
cities, while Wayne State University is located in Detroit, and would offer
the experience of living in a larger city. But if you are from a smaller
community, perhaps you may not feel as safe attending a college located in
Detroit. I am not as familiar with Kentucky as I am with Michigan, but I am
sure you will most likely find these same kind of differences among the
colleges on your list.

As for being able to compare college information side by side, perhaps
making a spreadsheet database in Excel may help you. It seems to me like
most of the questions you are interested in asking the admissions counselor
can be found by searching the college website or other websites devoted to
college information. Each degree program should be listed somewhere on the
college website along with the requirements for obtaining a particular
degree. Some college websites may also have department pages that provide
information specific for the department. Information that may appear on
department pages may include such things as course requirements, faculty
information, internship programs, and special events. Special scholarships
for your particular college would most likely appear on the financial aid
page. 

As for the disability office, I think this depends on your specific needs as
a blind person. Given the specific example you asked about, you may wish to
inquire about what technology the college provides, where it is located, and
hours you are able to access it. You may also wish to ask about their
policies on using readers. I have heard some good reviews of the new KNFB ap
for the IPhone, and would suggest this as a reasonable scanning solution if
you already have an IPhone. If you are a Braille user, you may wish to
inquire about the process of obtaining materials in Braille as well. 

Finally, I think you can gain some useful information about a college
regardless of when you are able to visit it. Although you will gain the most
information by visiting a college while students are there, you can still
get something out of the visit if you are only able to visit it on a weekend
as well. I believe I may have visited a college on a weekend as I remember
staying the night in a nearby hotel with my mom. I felt like the only
difference was that I was not able to sit in on one of the classes. However,
there were still some students around who were willing to talk about their
experiences attending the college. I felt as though I was able to receive
the information I needed to make my decision after this weekend visit, but I
am sure you could always visit a college again if you are truly having a
difficult time making your decision.

Again, sorry for such a long post. However,  I wanted to do my best to
answer all of the questions you posed in your email. I hope all of this
information helps you move forward on your list of colleges. Best of luck in
making your decision.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Lillie
Pennington via nabs-l
Sent: Friday, September 26, 2014 10:45 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Contacting colleges

Hi, 

 

So now I have a working list of colleges, went to the fair and got some
information, and now I'm ready to start contacting the colleges on my list
to get more information beyond the brochures. 

 

How do I contact the admissions counselor? I have heard both a
recommendation to do it by email and by phone. I do know there is value to
talking by phone, but email would help me to probably get the information
faster, as well as being able to let me compare all of the info side by
side. Is there one way that is better or that would help me more? 

 

What questions do I ask? Test scores are generally found on websites. Who
would I ask about special scholarships awarded at the college? Is this the
person to request information such as dates for sending college application
stuff in? Could I ask for more information on my field of choice from this
person, or do I contact the chair of that department? I am assuming I also
ask this person for information regarding current students that go to that
college. What other things should I ask? 

 

When contacting the disability support services offices, what do I ask for?
Understand that I am not going to the school that will automatically give me
the best disability services, but since I will be a bit further away from my
house ideally I will probably at least need to exercise some caution in
picking a college based on what they could give me in terms of accomidation
(for example, I couldn't have my parents probably read me a chapter of a
textbook if I didn't have it, for example.) What other questions do I ask? 

 

I would love to hear any advice about choosing the right college or what to
ask on or off list. 

 

I am also curious to hear what you all have done in regarding college
visits. I want to do visits when students are there, which I am assuming
means they have to be done throughout the week (I'm not sure of this.) 

However, I want to visit four different cities in Kentucky, and 5 colleges
all together in those cities. My school only allows me 2 college visit days,
and I really do not want to miss school. It also is probably not feasible
for me to go down to these cities (all around 1.5-2 hours from my house and
not really sure how near each other they are) very often. How have you
managed this or what suggestions do you have to manage this? Are weekend
visits a good idea? I do have a fall break coming up where I could go down
to 1 or maybe 2 cities, but probably not all 4 and have quality visits at
each college. 

 

Any advice would be appreciated on anything related to this at all. 

 

Thanks, 

 

Lillie

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From rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 07:30:33 2014
From: rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com (Rahul Bajaj)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:00:33 +0530
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations
References: <C2FD73CC-0DC7-4B45-89A9-1BE68C8000AD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00DB0C28-DAF2-4BB6-A9CB-7AF58E98BD0F@gmail.com>


> Hi all, 
> 
> I hope this message finds you well.  As a law student, I am required to write multiple research papers every semester.I sometimes find it hard  to cite sources correctly in  my research papers. Citing cases is not difficult, but I struggle with news articles, research papers in journals, etc. Even though I have repeatedly gone through the blue book, I haven't been able to fully internalize the myriad citation formats. 
> This problem is further exacerbated by the fact that JAWS acts in a very sluggish and unresponsive manner when you try to access or modify footnotes, so this makes the experience all the more unpleasant.
> The upshot of this problem is that my research papers usually contain very few footnotes- nothing more than fifteen or twenty. As you can imagine, this greatly reduces the quality and veracity of the paper. 
> I would love to know what strategies you guys employ for grappling with this issue. 
> 
> Best, 
> Rahul 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 17:09:02 2014
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:09:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] hello to all
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References: <48A9FF58-06EA-4298-B178-3972E21D4DF5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <37839D25-6F11-4107-B3B1-2F537FE615C2@gmail.com>

Hi Mabelin,

I have not had that problem with Facetime at all.  This might be a stupid piece of advice, but have you tried to turn the phone off and back on?  Sometimes that helps a lot of things.  If you need more help, feel free to e-mail me at ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com>.


Ryan L. Silveira

> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, just sending a quick hello message to all of you out there.
> I hope you’re having a  great Friday.
> If you would like to contact me with any questions or just to say hello email mabelin_r at hotmail.com
> And I’ll reply as soon as possible.
> I also want to comment on the new IOs8 update for the iPhone.
> I don’t know about you but I’ve been having a problem in which when I do a facetime call on my phone VoiceOver crashes. I don’t know if this is a bug everyone’s experiencing for those whom have iPhones.
> Please message back if you wish.
> Mabelin
> 
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From lily2011a at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 19:27:33 2014
From: lily2011a at gmail.com (Liliya Asadullina)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 13:27:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] [SPAM?] STEM Classes in a Large Lecture Setting
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Arielle,
Did you take microbiology?
I may have to take that for my major and I am not very sure how I
would participate in the experiments such as looking at the plants and
what not through the microscope.
If you have any ideas please let me know.
Thanks a bunch,
Liliya

On 9/27/14, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Miso,
> I majored in biology and took several bio, chem and stats courses in
> large lectures. I personally found that the vast majority of graphical
> material was not necessary for me to learn because it was redundant
> with the spoken lecture, textbook or both. I was able to earn high
> grades in these courses by simply listening to the lectures and
> keeping up with textbook reading. Occasionally maybe about 10% of the
> time, something in a diagram was actually distinct from the verbal
> part of the course. When that happened, a quick discussion with the
> prof or TA's in office hours always cleared it up.
> Some blind students like to have readers or DSS make them tactile
> diagrams. If it helps you learn and your school provides that service,
> go ahead. My school provided tactile diagrams but I did not find them
> at all helpful. Instead I preferred to have the prof describe
> essential information. But everybody is different.
> Generally, remember that sighted people usually rely on diagrams and
> charts much more than we do, so sighted professors tend to make a
> bigger deal about the value of their diagrams than is usually
> warranted.
>
> Best,
> Arielle
>
> On 9/24/14, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I know at my school they will make diagrams tactile. I took a digital
>> logic
>> design course with wiring diagrams based on color and they offered to
>> make
>> them tactile for me.
>>
>> On Wed, Sep 24, 2014 at 10:44 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello,
>>> For those of you who attend a large university and have taken stem
>>> classes
>>> in a large lecture hall setting, I am asking for your help.
>>> This quarter I am taking a introductory life science class and an
>>> introductory statistics class. Both classes will be taking place in a
>>> lecture hall with about 200 people.
>>> The professors have told me that their ppt presentations and such will
>>> have graphs and diagrams.
>>> Although I have asked them to be as verbal as possible and I trust them
>>> that they will do their best I am sure there will be a good amount of
>>> information that may not easily transfer to me due to its visual nature
>>> and
>>> pace the professors have to maintain for the class.
>>> In addition to going over such materials with the professors and/or TAs
>>> outside of lecture time, what kind of assistance can I get?
>>> What kinds of accomodations/assistance can I ask from my university's
>>> office for students with disabilities in this situation?
>>> Thank you in advance.
>>> Miso Kwak
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 19:51:49 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 14:51:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships
Message-ID: <93F93611-7401-4168-AFC9-7DA0251C12B1@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could offer any assistance. I will be starting grad school in January and was wondering if anybody could give me a list of scholarships that I might apply for for the 2015 2016 school year? Any help would be greatly appreciated thanks :-)

Sent from my iPhone

From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Sep 28 19:55:11 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 15:55:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] advocating accessibility and feeling blamed, what to do
Message-ID: <2B1C7C4F04DF485FBF0CB8A0E1F48309@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

I’ve mentioned here I’ve gone back to the community college, called Nova, for short, to obtain a writing certificate and have more electives; figured it was better to do that while career exploring than sitting around. For instance, I’ve taken a general business class, public relations, and tried marketing. I ended up dropping marketing because of the style of lectures and unaccomodating atmosphere. I figured I was best off with a different professor later.

I’ve encountered numerous accessibility issues on our college website.
The following are the biggest issues.
1. PDFS don’t read; the newsletters are often in that format.
2.  There are tabs that I cannot activate all links. I get into them with space bar, but after this, I have issues with in the tab. This is a new feature used in html 5.
3. unlabeled tables.

I have barriers doing some research because I cannot click on all links with in tabs for databases or encyclopedias.

I’m quite frustrated because when I complained last year, nothing happened; when I did that again, the campus wide disability coordinator blamed me for failing to advocate. I felt her response was rude and abrupt when I asked for her address to send the formal letter; she says, you always had it.

What should I do for advocacy other than meeting with the  digital accessibility coordinator who btw is also blind? I am hopeful he will understand being blind himself.

I just feel quite ignored and cannot access all info I need to online due to access.  She went so far as to say that all students need advanced jaws training or work arounds since not all sites are fully accessible. Okay, I agree we need to know jaws well,  but this tone seems to shift the blame to students knowing all advanced settings in jaws menus and problem solving versus having a usable website up front.
She should know I’m a good student, and I do not appreciate the insinuation that I failed to know jaws enough. I’ve been told I know more than most people. can I learn more? Yes, but they need to do their part too.

I’m taking my chances that using first names only will not yiled this message in google.
The disability coordinator Estella said this with my comments first.

2.I told you a few months back that the website has not been designed to accommodate screen readers
The website is bing redesigned and all issues are being solved as we advance. You are not the only blind student we have on campus and the more you know how to use Jaws, the less issues you have. I suggest you get an advance training in Jaws so you can learn the works around and succeed on any website which by the way, most of them are not 100%accessible.


3.For instance, I cannot click on the films on demand tab, so in order for me to watch the videos, I have to use sighted help.
This is another issue that needs to be brought up to your instructor, disability counselor or inform Tim so he can work with the department to fix the problem. If you keep it to yourself we will not be able to address it.


4.Please inform me what address to send my letter to.  My information is below my name and you have always had it.



6.I also have come across numerous powerpoints in my classes which are not as accessible as they can be. They need to have alt text on the graphics. I suggest Nova train faculty how to make accessible documents.
Once again, this is an issue you should have discussed with your instructor and informed us. Our office helps faculty learn how to create accessible PP and we are constantly training them. We have over 5000 faculty and staff and believe me, you may have come across with one that was not yet trained but again, if you let us know, we fix the problem. It is not a matter of just complaining, it is a matter of informing in a timely manner when a problem is encounter so our office can address it.

 
So, that is what she said in her own words. It seems like a rushed response. I did inform my dss counselor and she shifts the blame to me saying I did not talk timely when this is something I’ve said before; maybe not to her, but my counselor who should have told her office rather than falling on  deaf ears. I also informally complained of the website before so she is pretending she never heard.

Should I send a copy of my letter when I write it to the dean of students?
Has anyone encountered  similar issues?

Thanks.

Ashley

From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Sun Sep 28 21:33:40 2014
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:33:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
Message-ID: <E689E28C-2F08-42A6-9684-4C8FEA7AF97A@gmail.com>

Hi all,
Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application. Thanks :-)
Gloria

Sent from my iPhone

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sun Sep 28 21:38:41 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
In-Reply-To: <E689E28C-2F08-42A6-9684-4C8FEA7AF97A@gmail.com>
References: <E689E28C-2F08-42A6-9684-4C8FEA7AF97A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP2576A89FDF2403E83F8339CEBD0@phx.gbl>

Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find that I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a good picture. Other than that that I like it
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application. Thanks :-)
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sun Sep 28 22:22:42 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 17:22:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] hello to all
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	<37839D25-6F11-4107-B3B1-2F537FE615C2@gmail.com>
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Hello Ryan, she wanted replies off list if you did not see the address below let me know and I will give you her address.
On Sep 28, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi Mabelin,
> 
> I have not had that problem with Facetime at all.  This might be a stupid piece of advice, but have you tried to turn the phone off and back on?  Sometimes that helps a lot of things.  If you need more help, feel free to e-mail me at ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com>.
> 
> 
> Ryan L. Silveira
> 
>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, just sending a quick hello message to all of you out there.
>> I hope you’re having a  great Friday.
>> If you would like to contact me with any questions or just to say hello email mabelin_r at hotmail.com
>> And I’ll reply as soon as possible.
>> I also want to comment on the new IOs8 update for the iPhone.
>> I don’t know about you but I’ve been having a problem in which when I do a facetime call on my phone VoiceOver crashes. I don’t know if this is a bug everyone’s experiencing for those whom have iPhones.
>> Please message back if you wish.
>> Mabelin
>> 
>> 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 00:44:33 2014
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 19:44:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
Message-ID: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>

I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the 
investment?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app

Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I 
find that I need to have camera a little close to the paper and 
what to get a good picture. Other than that that I like it
On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,
 Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if 
anyone had the opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB 
reader application? If so what are your thoughts about it and if 
there's any advice or suggestions or anything that anyone else 
can pass along it would be greatly appreciated. This is an app 
that I am considering purchasing for numerous reasons, but wanted 
to know if there was anyone who already has itand are using it 
that could tell me their thoughts on the application. Thanks :-)
 Gloria

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From jahmallovato at me.com  Mon Sep 29 00:48:22 2014
From: jahmallovato at me.com (Jahmal Lovato)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 18:48:22 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
In-Reply-To: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>
References: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9B81D9D1-B1B3-4CA2-90F4-65AB8C6ECD3F@me.com>

I will be doing an in-depth audio review the app and all of the buttons and such.
Send me a message office if you're interested in obtaining a copy of that when it's done.
I will be using an iPhone 6+ as soon as they fix the voice over you I issues.
jahmallovato at me.com is my address. 



> On Sep 28, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the investment?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
> 
> Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find that I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a good picture. Other than that that I like it
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application. Thanks :-)
> Gloria
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 02:02:56 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:02:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
In-Reply-To: <9B81D9D1-B1B3-4CA2-90F4-65AB8C6ECD3F@me.com>
References: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>
	<9B81D9D1-B1B3-4CA2-90F4-65AB8C6ECD3F@me.com>
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No.
There are a lot of cheaper options on the iPhone.
To be honest, I think this $99.99 is way too much, though it is
cheaper then the 15-hundred price tag it used to have when you had to
buy the N75 for it to work.



On 9/28/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I will be doing an in-depth audio review the app and all of the buttons and
> such.
> Send me a message office if you're interested in obtaining a copy of that
> when it's done.
> I will be using an iPhone 6+ as soon as they fix the voice over you I
> issues.
> jahmallovato at me.com is my address.
>
>
>
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the
>> investment?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind
>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
>>
>> Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find that
>> I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a good
>> picture. Other than that that I like it
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the
>> opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If
>> so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or
>> suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be
>> greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for
>> numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has
>> itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application.
>> Thanks :-)
>> Gloria
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 02:09:58 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 22:09:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships
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References: <5426ffaa.ebffb60a.567b.ffffe2af@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbjYUijDYwG9tzGCsxug4VPNkEQ+0XO4QFhsbinjhAxew@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sophie,

The NFB Scholarship program is wonderful.  Miso and I were actually
roommates when we were finalists in 2013, and I think our class really
enjoyed the experience.

As Miso said, it is required that you be a student in the fall when
you submit your application, and you can check out the guidelines at
nfb.org/scholarships.  However, if you cannot apply this year, I
wouldn't totally not think about the application process.  It never
hurts to read about past scholarship finalists, practice writing
scholarship essays, or look over the application form online to get
familiar with the process.  There is another scholarship program I was
a part of back in 2013, and I won on my second try.  I think one of
the issues I faced the first time wass that since I wasn't familiar
with how the form was laid out, I didn't answer some of the questions
in the format that the scholarship committee wanted.  While the NFB
committee isn't as strict, getting familiar with what will be asked of
you can really help.

These suggestions really relate to all scholarship programs.  If you
ever apply for something which shows a list of past winners with
biographies, do read them so you know if you are similar to them in
some ways.

Good luck in your senior year and at LCB!

On 9/27/14, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Sophie,
> I think that I will be going to LCB as well.
> How do you know that you are going to start in July? Did you pick that date
> or were
> you assigned that date?
> Vejas
>
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 27 Sep 2014 11:24:08 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] nfb scholarships
>
> Hello NABS friends,
>
> I have a few questions regarding the NFB scholarships.  I'm a
> senior in high school, so it's time for me to start thinking
> about stuff like that.  I'm going to be a student at LCB starting
> next July.  Should I apply for an NFB scholarship this year or
> next year while I'm at the center? What are the requirements for
> the NFB scholarship? Where can I find that kind of information?
> Thanks for any help, and I hope you all have a good weekend.
>
> Yours,
> Sophie
>
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Mon Sep 29 02:58:46 2014
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 21:58:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPui4dLGtrwe2cOe3q103PCQjWY8JMLeCK+Hw7d0Fz2yyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>
	<9B81D9D1-B1B3-4CA2-90F4-65AB8C6ECD3F@me.com>
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Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP4901A1602BBA59B336B1DECEBA0@phx.gbl>

Okay, well if you think that let me ask you this. Would you rather have to pay for the app, and then have to buy pictures or get a free app and then have to purchase aces scription with pictures every month or every year? Because with this and you don't have to do there you got it once and you're done. It's like you can set it and forget it
On Sep 28, 2014, at 9:02 PM, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> No.
> There are a lot of cheaper options on the iPhone.
> To be honest, I think this $99.99 is way too much, though it is
> cheaper then the 15-hundred price tag it used to have when you had to
> buy the N75 for it to work.
> 
> 
> 
> On 9/28/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I will be doing an in-depth audio review the app and all of the buttons and
>> such.
>> Send me a message office if you're interested in obtaining a copy of that
>> when it's done.
>> I will be using an iPhone 6+ as soon as they fix the voice over you I
>> issues.
>> jahmallovato at me.com is my address.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the
>>> investment?
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
>>> 
>>> Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find that
>>> I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a good
>>> picture. Other than that that I like it
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the
>>> opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If
>>> so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or
>>> suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be
>>> greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for
>>> numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has
>>> itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application.
>>> Thanks :-)
>>> Gloria
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Yours in Christ,
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> God blesses those people
>    who depend only on him.
> They belong to the kingdom
>    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)
> 
> You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
> Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Mon Sep 29 03:04:02 2014
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 20:04:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] University Engineering Career Fair: How to discuss my
	vision
Message-ID: <CAF=_avedPXzuJj823=KeFuAAYcW8hA6_r4uc+EjuUa=a4xWwQg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

I will be attending the ASU Engineering Career Fair and the Grace Hopper
Celebrating Women in Computing Career Fair. I am looking for some insight
on whether or not to mention my visual disability.

I am not ashamed or want to hide it but need to find the correct segue to
bring it up.

I do not use a cane so the fact that I am legally blind is not obvious. I
do squint, as I am severely light sensitive, and wear red contacts. Also,
if I am looking at anything I am holding it very close to my face. I know
that people are aware and notice these things but tend to make incorrect
assumptions. Some of the things people have thought about me or others who
are low vision that I know include being sleepy or up all night or on
drugs. I feel it is better to acknowledge my disability vs having them make
assumptions.

I was hoping to casually find a way to include it in my introduction (30
second speech).

I consulted with someone at ASU who was reviewing my resume and she asked
two HR recruiters and they said absolutely do not mention it in
conversation or indicate it on my resume.

I believe my resume and 4.0 GPA should show the person at the career fair
that my disability does not have a negative affect on my ability in
computer science.

What are your thoughts?

Thank You
Suzanne

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 03:54:45 2014
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 23:54:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] University Engineering Career Fair: How to discuss
	my	vision
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avedPXzuJj823=KeFuAAYcW8hA6_r4uc+EjuUa=a4xWwQg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAF=_avedPXzuJj823=KeFuAAYcW8hA6_r4uc+EjuUa=a4xWwQg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001e01cfdb99$1c4077e0$54c167a0$@gmail.com>

Carry a cane for the fair so it is obvious.    Even if you decide not to
carry a cane, I still would not mention it in conversation, or on your
resume.  Do you where glasses?  I'm not telling you to do any of this, but
if you don't indicate it in some way, then the recruiter and employers will
not know why you are doing some of the things you do; they will make the
same assumptions.  As long as you are okay with this, then continue  as you
have been.   Your skills and abilities should speak for themselves, but
people always find the part that is different and make all their decisions
around that.  
Good luck, take care of business, you got it.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne Germano
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2014 11:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list; nfbcs at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] University Engineering Career Fair: How to discuss my
vision

Hi

I will be attending the ASU Engineering Career Fair and the Grace Hopper
Celebrating Women in Computing Career Fair. I am looking for some insight on
whether or not to mention my visual disability.

I am not ashamed or want to hide it but need to find the correct segue to
bring it up.

I do not use a cane so the fact that I am legally blind is not obvious. I do
squint, as I am severely light sensitive, and wear red contacts. Also, if I
am looking at anything I am holding it very close to my face. I know that
people are aware and notice these things but tend to make incorrect
assumptions. Some of the things people have thought about me or others who
are low vision that I know include being sleepy or up all night or on drugs.
I feel it is better to acknowledge my disability vs having them make
assumptions.

I was hoping to casually find a way to include it in my introduction (30
second speech).

I consulted with someone at ASU who was reviewing my resume and she asked
two HR recruiters and they said absolutely do not mention it in conversation
or indicate it on my resume.

I believe my resume and 4.0 GPA should show the person at the career fair
that my disability does not have a negative affect on my ability in computer
science.

What are your thoughts?

Thank You
Suzanne
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 04:22:40 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:22:40 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbGoiwaAOY9PNYqL30L1JgHjHV4rwpgGDSp2oisU8e7zw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I have applied for a ten-day study abroad service project to take
place in June of 2015.  If selected to be a part of this program, I
will travel to Boston Bay Jamaica and use my music therapy training to
work with special needs school children, patients at an infirmary on
the geriatric and psychiatric wards, and in a homeless shelter.  It
would be a great experience for me, both personally and
professionally.

I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but I think I have a fair shot of
getting in.  The interview portion of my application process went
really well, and I've met all other requirements.  I've already
discussed accessibility for the course materials and things like
safety with the program's director, and he seems more than willing to
accommodate with electronic materials and some extra orientation if I
need it when I'm at the site.  He told me that all that is left is for
my professor to give her approval, and she's already told me that she
thinks this would be great for me and that I have her support.  So,
all signs look pretty good.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
everything panns out as expected.

I am now curious as to how others on this list have studied abroad.  I
realize my situation is a little different because it's short term and
experiential rather than class work, but there are still aspects of
the experience I am wondering about.  For example, how did you raise
the funds to go if that was an issue for you?  How were you received
in the airport of the country you visitted?  What was it like in the
country you visitted when locals saw you/talked to you?

I have limitted travel experience.  My first plane ride was to the
2012 National Convention, and although I navigated both airports like
a champ and had no problems, I've never had to deal with customs or a
foreign airport before.  I also can't find anything about how
Jamaicans view people with disabilities.  I know that Jamaica is a
very religious country, and that Christianity is the prominent
religion, but I've had people from various sects of Christianity do
everything from claiming I was blind because some demon punished me or
my mother, and others who just acknowledged it for what it was-a
genetic or physical thing without religious affiliation, and that's
just in the U.S.  In my research I've also learned about the crime in
Jamaica, and am a little worried about being an easy target.  The
program I would be a part of is very well-staffed, and I would never
be out of the enclosed living area without a staff member to chaperone
me.  The program also has a 100% track record in ten years for
students returning home unharmed and with all their belongings, and
the program's director told me that we'll be in a pretty safe area
since we'll be in the countryside with local farmers and fishermen who
know what the students are doing and don't want to bite the hands that
feed them persay, rather than by the resorts where tourists are taken
advantage of frequently.  Nevertheless, I want to do everything I can
to ensure that I am safe if I end up going abroad.  I want to remember
the trip for the good things and the learning, not for getting hurt or
losing something valuable.  What extra measures would you experienced
study abroad students advise I take if selected to go?  Any
suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone has done study abroad or
service work in the West Indies before.

-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 04:27:42 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 00:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] hello to all
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP186349BF8A3E6DB67008AB4CEBD0@phx.gbl>
References: <48A9FF58-06EA-4298-B178-3972E21D4DF5@gmail.com>
	<37839D25-6F11-4107-B3B1-2F537FE615C2@gmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP186349BF8A3E6DB67008AB4CEBD0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaviiefsZ3RCcoSvJ6G+oXbd2kWFoKbfZCQ60+w0oFM+w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I do think it is important to address the IOS issue on-list as Ryan
has, so that if others are having the same problem they can also see
commentary on it.

If turning off and on the phone doesn't fix the problem you can also
do a reset.  Hold down the home and lock keys at the same time.  The
instructions say to hold them down till the apple symbol shows up on
the screen, but I've held them down till VO begins speaking again and
haven't had any issues.  Hope either of these two fixes help you.

On 9/28/14, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ryan, she wanted replies off list if you did not see the address below
> let me know and I will give you her address.
> On Sep 28, 2014, at 12:09 PM, Ryan Silveira via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Mabelin,
>>
>> I have not had that problem with Facetime at all.  This might be a stupid
>> piece of advice, but have you tried to turn the phone off and back on?
>> Sometimes that helps a lot of things.  If you need more help, feel free to
>> e-mail me at ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com
>> <mailto:ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com>.
>>
>>
>> Ryan L. Silveira
>>
>>> On Sep 26, 2014, at 11:58 AM, Mabelin Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all, just sending a quick hello message to all of you out there.
>>> I hope you're having a  great Friday.
>>> If you would like to contact me with any questions or just to say hello
>>> email mabelin_r at hotmail.com
>>> And I'll reply as soon as possible.
>>> I also want to comment on the new IOs8 update for the iPhone.
>>> I don't know about you but I've been having a problem in which when I do
>>> a facetime call on my phone VoiceOver crashes. I don't know if this is a
>>> bug everyone's experiencing for those whom have iPhones.
>>> Please message back if you wish.
>>> Mabelin
>>>
>>>
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Mon Sep 29 12:25:52 2014
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 08:25:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
In-Reply-To: <CAA+vbPui4dLGtrwe2cOe3q103PCQjWY8JMLeCK+Hw7d0Fz2yyQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5428aba7.0759e00a.04dc.238b@mx.google.com>
	<9B81D9D1-B1B3-4CA2-90F4-65AB8C6ECD3F@me.com>
	<CAA+vbPui4dLGtrwe2cOe3q103PCQjWY8JMLeCK+Hw7d0Fz2yyQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1D21981D-4DA9-4A3E-9805-17EFD12E9B3A@me.com>

Hi all,
Yes, there are cheaper options available, but, I will say this. I've been a user of OCR apps for a while, and K NFB reader has given me the most accurate results out of all of them I've used. I spent $10 on Prizmo back in the day, and I spent $1.99 on textdetective, and I'm still gotten better results with the knfb reader that I have with these two apps.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 28, 2014, at 22:02, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> No.
> There are a lot of cheaper options on the iPhone.
> To be honest, I think this $99.99 is way too much, though it is
> cheaper then the 15-hundred price tag it used to have when you had to
> buy the N75 for it to work.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/28/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> I will be doing an in-depth audio review the app and all of the buttons and
>> such.
>> Send me a message office if you're interested in obtaining a copy of that
>> when it's done.
>> I will be using an iPhone 6+ as soon as they fix the voice over you I
>> issues.
>> jahmallovato at me.com is my address.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the
>>> investment?
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association of Blind
>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
>>> 
>>> Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find that
>>> I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a good
>>> picture. Other than that that I like it
>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had the
>>> opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application? If
>>> so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or
>>> suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be
>>> greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing for
>>> numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already has
>>> itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the application.
>>> Thanks :-)
>>> Gloria
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> _______________________________________________
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Yours in Christ,
> 
> 
> Jorge
> 
> God blesses those people
>    who depend only on him.
> They belong to the kingdom
>    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)
> 
> You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
> Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 13:30:43 2014
From: jorgeapaez1994 at gmail.com (Jorge Paez)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:30:43 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
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Fare enough, but for the sake of discussion, are you sure its not the
camera that has improved?
I'm only offering this counterpoint because the fact of the matter is
that more than the software, OCR depends a lot on the kind of camera
you take the picture with, and the iPhone 6/6+ has a much better
camera than the previous versions.

On 9/29/14, Matthew Dierckens <matt.dierckens at me.com> wrote:
> Hi all,
> Yes, there are cheaper options available, but, I will say this. I've been a
> user of OCR apps for a while, and K NFB reader has given me the most
> accurate results out of all of them I've used. I spent $10 on Prizmo back in
> the day, and I spent $1.99 on textdetective, and I'm still gotten better
> results with the knfb reader that I have with these two apps.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 22:02, Jorge Paez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> No.
>> There are a lot of cheaper options on the iPhone.
>> To be honest, I think this $99.99 is way too much, though it is
>> cheaper then the 15-hundred price tag it used to have when you had to
>> buy the N75 for it to work.
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/28/14, Jahmal Lovato via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> I will be doing an in-depth audio review the app and all of the buttons
>>> and
>>> such.
>>> Send me a message office if you're interested in obtaining a copy of
>>> that
>>> when it's done.
>>> I will be using an iPhone 6+ as soon as they fix the voice over you I
>>> issues.
>>> jahmallovato at me.com is my address.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 6:44 PM, Sophie Trist via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm considering getting the app for my birthday. Is it worth the
>>>> investment?
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> To: Gloria Graves <gloria.graves at gmail.com>,National Association of
>>>> Blind
>>>> Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>> Date sent: Sun, 28 Sep 2014 16:38:41 -0500
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
>>>>
>>>> Hello Gloria, I have the application and I like it very much. I find
>>>> that
>>>> I need to have camera a little close to the paper and what to get a
>>>> good
>>>> picture. Other than that that I like it
>>>> On Sep 28, 2014, at 4:33 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> Hope everyone is having a great weekend. I was wondering if anyone had
>>>> the
>>>> opportunity or privilege to download the new K NFB reader application?
>>>> If
>>>> so what are your thoughts about it and if there's any advice or
>>>> suggestions or anything that anyone else can pass along it would be
>>>> greatly appreciated. This is an app that I am considering purchasing
>>>> for
>>>> numerous reasons, but wanted to know if there was anyone who already
>>>> has
>>>> itand are using it that could tell me their thoughts on the
>>>> application.
>>>> Thanks :-)
>>>> Gloria
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
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>>
>> --
>> Yours in Christ,
>>
>>
>> Jorge
>>
>> God blesses those people
>>    who depend only on him.
>> They belong to the kingdom
>>    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)
>>
>> You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
>> Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)
>>
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-- 
Yours in Christ,


Jorge

God blesses those people
    who depend only on him.
They belong to the kingdom
    of heaven! (Mathew 5:3, CEV)

You will keep him in perfect peace, Whose mind is focused on You,
Because he trusts in You. (Isaiah 26:3 NKJV)


From trising at sbcglobal.net  Mon Sep 29 13:41:10 2014
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Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 09:41:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app
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    Is the camera in the 6 better than the one in the 5s?
If I remember correctly the 5s is  an 8 mega pixel.


Nick

Sent from my Windows computer         


From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Sep 29 17:41:57 2014
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 10:41:57 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
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Good morning, Kaiti,

You lucky duck, you!

I don't think for all the reasons you stated that you will have 
problems being hurt, or robbed. your experience in Jamaica will be 
memerable and it is not for those reasons.

A few years ago, I met this Jamaican guy in downtown Denver and fell 
in love with patois. Unfortunately, I lost track of Edwin, but at the 
Denver main library I checked out all this print material which I 
scanned, and read, myself. Yes, Christianaty is definitely a 
structural presence of a Jamaican identity and, being that it is so 
structural, unlike ornamental Christians you might find here, I don't 
think you'll encounter too much of the things you named about 
previous experience with Christians. But then, you might be intrigued 
by presences of Mama Afrika you might see within culture, and 
tradition, if not to say spirituality?
Personally, something that has always intrigued me is how 
Christianity as well as other influences are blended with old Afrikan 
presences to form West Indian culture. You might wanna read about the 
history of the Jamaican experience to better place your own 
experiences and other findings into a certain context? Personally, I 
really get off on knowing a historical context, and how my findings 
of a group is influenced by history, and culture.

I would love to be treated via a 2nd hand, of your Jamaican 
experiences! would love to hear of how blind people are regarded 
within such a society. Will you write to me if you find time/resources?
call: 408-209-3239
for today, Car 9/28/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>I have applied for a ten-day study abroad service project to take
>place in June of 2015.  If selected to be a part of this program, I
>will travel to Boston Bay Jamaica and use my music therapy training to
>work with special needs school children, patients at an infirmary on
>the geriatric and psychiatric wards, and in a homeless shelter.  It
>would be a great experience for me, both personally and
>professionally.
>
>I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but I think I have a fair shot of
>getting in.  The interview portion of my application process went
>really well, and I've met all other requirements.  I've already
>discussed accessibility for the course materials and things like
>safety with the program's director, and he seems more than willing to
>accommodate with electronic materials and some extra orientation if I
>need it when I'm at the site.  He told me that all that is left is for
>my professor to give her approval, and she's already told me that she
>thinks this would be great for me and that I have her support.  So,
>all signs look pretty good.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
>everything panns out as expected.
>
>I am now curious as to how others on this list have studied abroad.  I
>realize my situation is a little different because it's short term and
>experiential rather than class work, but there are still aspects of
>the experience I am wondering about.  For example, how did you raise
>the funds to go if that was an issue for you?  How were you received
>in the airport of the country you visitted?  What was it like in the
>country you visitted when locals saw you/talked to you?
>
>I have limitted travel experience.  My first plane ride was to the
>2012 National Convention, and although I navigated both airports like
>a champ and had no problems, I've never had to deal with customs or a
>foreign airport before.  I also can't find anything about how
>Jamaicans view people with disabilities.  I know that Jamaica is a
>very religious country, and that Christianity is the prominent
>religion, but I've had people from various sects of Christianity do
>everything from claiming I was blind because some demon punished me or
>my mother, and others who just acknowledged it for what it was-a
>genetic or physical thing without religious affiliation, and that's
>just in the U.S.  In my research I've also learned about the crime in
>Jamaica, and am a little worried about being an easy target.  The
>program I would be a part of is very well-staffed, and I would never
>be out of the enclosed living area without a staff member to chaperone
>me.  The program also has a 100% track record in ten years for
>students returning home unharmed and with all their belongings, and
>the program's director told me that we'll be in a pretty safe area
>since we'll be in the countryside with local farmers and fishermen who
>know what the students are doing and don't want to bite the hands that
>feed them persay, rather than by the resorts where tourists are taken
>advantage of frequently.  Nevertheless, I want to do everything I can
>to ensure that I am safe if I end up going abroad.  I want to remember
>the trip for the good things and the learning, not for getting hurt or
>losing something valuable.  What extra measures would you experienced
>study abroad students advise I take if selected to go?  Any
>suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone has done study abroad or
>service work in the West Indies before.
>
>--
>Kaiti
>
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 19:24:27 2014
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:24:27 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] advocating accessibility and feeling blamed, what to do
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Hi Ashley,

I am so sorry you are having these issues.  It sounds like the DS
people are just being ignorant, and what is this Digital Accessibility
Coordinator doing anyway?

I would print out all copies of the emails you've sent to the person
who gave you those rude comments to show proof of your repeated
complaints of inaccessible web content.  If you've made phone calls
and can access the date and time of those calls, I'd write those down
and send them along as well.  Demonstrating to a higher authority that
you did indeed advocate for these serious issues to be resolved, and
the DS person said you didn't, will show them that you're the one with
the credibility and they'll be more likely to hold the DS person
accountable.

The tech people at my university have told me similar things when our
stuff doesn't work; they'll say, "Well, she needs to use a different
web browser."  While this isn't as bad as saying my JAWS skills suck
and I need more training, it is the same kind of thing.  I shouldn't
have to switch web browsers in order to access the same content
everyone else can get with the same web browser, or the web browser of
their choice for that matter.  I also don't know about you, but I
consider myself to be an advanced JAWS user but don't even use all the
commands in the book.  Nevertheless, the JAWS training you have really
shouldn't matter; even an advanced JAWS user would still have to deal
with that unlabeled table, have issues with the weird HTML5 tabs, etc.

Seriously, I wonder what this blind digital accessibility guy is
really doing, because it sounds like it should be his job to find
these problems and advise the tech people on how to troubleshoot them
on behalf of the students, or at least back them up when he doesn't
find something and they do.

On 9/28/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've mentioned here I've gone back to the community college, called Nova,
> for short, to obtain a writing certificate and have more electives; figured
> it was better to do that while career exploring than sitting around. For
> instance, I've taken a general business class, public relations, and tried
> marketing. I ended up dropping marketing because of the style of lectures
> and unaccomodating atmosphere. I figured I was best off with a different
> professor later.
>
> I've encountered numerous accessibility issues on our college website.
> The following are the biggest issues.
> 1. PDFS don't read; the newsletters are often in that format.
> 2.  There are tabs that I cannot activate all links. I get into them with
> space bar, but after this, I have issues with in the tab. This is a new
> feature used in html 5.
> 3. unlabeled tables.
>
> I have barriers doing some research because I cannot click on all links with
> in tabs for databases or encyclopedias.
>
> I'm quite frustrated because when I complained last year, nothing happened;
> when I did that again, the campus wide disability coordinator blamed me for
> failing to advocate. I felt her response was rude and abrupt when I asked
> for her address to send the formal letter; she says, you always had it.
>
> What should I do for advocacy other than meeting with the  digital
> accessibility coordinator who btw is also blind? I am hopeful he will
> understand being blind himself.
>
> I just feel quite ignored and cannot access all info I need to online due to
> access.  She went so far as to say that all students need advanced jaws
> training or work arounds since not all sites are fully accessible. Okay, I
> agree we need to know jaws well,  but this tone seems to shift the blame to
> students knowing all advanced settings in jaws menus and problem solving
> versus having a usable website up front.
> She should know I'm a good student, and I do not appreciate the insinuation
> that I failed to know jaws enough. I've been told I know more than most
> people. can I learn more? Yes, but they need to do their part too.
>
> I'm taking my chances that using first names only will not yiled this
> message in google.
> The disability coordinator Estella said this with my comments first.
>
> 2.I told you a few months back that the website has not been designed to
> accommodate screen readers
> The website is bing redesigned and all issues are being solved as we
> advance. You are not the only blind student we have on campus and the more
> you know how to use Jaws, the less issues you have. I suggest you get an
> advance training in Jaws so you can learn the works around and succeed on
> any website which by the way, most of them are not 100%accessible.
>
>
> 3.For instance, I cannot click on the films on demand tab, so in order for
> me to watch the videos, I have to use sighted help.
> This is another issue that needs to be brought up to your instructor,
> disability counselor or inform Tim so he can work with the department to fix
> the problem. If you keep it to yourself we will not be able to address it.
>
>
> 4.Please inform me what address to send my letter to.  My information is
> below my name and you have always had it.
>
>
>
> 6.I also have come across numerous powerpoints in my classes which are not
> as accessible as they can be. They need to have alt text on the graphics. I
> suggest Nova train faculty how to make accessible documents.
> Once again, this is an issue you should have discussed with your instructor
> and informed us. Our office helps faculty learn how to create accessible PP
> and we are constantly training them. We have over 5000 faculty and staff and
> believe me, you may have come across with one that was not yet trained but
> again, if you let us know, we fix the problem. It is not a matter of just
> complaining, it is a matter of informing in a timely manner when a problem
> is encounter so our office can address it.
>
>
> So, that is what she said in her own words. It seems like a rushed response.
> I did inform my dss counselor and she shifts the blame to me saying I did
> not talk timely when this is something I've said before; maybe not to her,
> but my counselor who should have told her office rather than falling on
> deaf ears. I also informally complained of the website before so she is
> pretending she never heard.
>
> Should I send a copy of my letter when I write it to the dean of students?
> Has anyone encountered  similar issues?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 21:54:32 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 14:54:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Studying abroad: tips and tricks.
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Hi Kaiti,
I have not been to the West Indies; however, I went on a ten-day
college trip to Israel, which as you probably know, can be dangerous
at times. Our group was heavily staffed and I experienced no problems.
I have also been to Romania and Hungary and encountered some
over-helpful people but nobody whose attitudes about blindness caused
me problems. Have fun!
Arielle

On 9/29/14, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning, Kaiti,
>
> You lucky duck, you!
>
> I don't think for all the reasons you stated that you will have
> problems being hurt, or robbed. your experience in Jamaica will be
> memerable and it is not for those reasons.
>
> A few years ago, I met this Jamaican guy in downtown Denver and fell
> in love with patois. Unfortunately, I lost track of Edwin, but at the
> Denver main library I checked out all this print material which I
> scanned, and read, myself. Yes, Christianaty is definitely a
> structural presence of a Jamaican identity and, being that it is so
> structural, unlike ornamental Christians you might find here, I don't
> think you'll encounter too much of the things you named about
> previous experience with Christians. But then, you might be intrigued
> by presences of Mama Afrika you might see within culture, and
> tradition, if not to say spirituality?
> Personally, something that has always intrigued me is how
> Christianity as well as other influences are blended with old Afrikan
> presences to form West Indian culture. You might wanna read about the
> history of the Jamaican experience to better place your own
> experiences and other findings into a certain context? Personally, I
> really get off on knowing a historical context, and how my findings
> of a group is influenced by history, and culture.
>
> I would love to be treated via a 2nd hand, of your Jamaican
> experiences! would love to hear of how blind people are regarded
> within such a society. Will you write to me if you find time/resources?
> call: 408-209-3239
> for today, Car 9/28/2014, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hi all,
>>
>>I have applied for a ten-day study abroad service project to take
>>place in June of 2015.  If selected to be a part of this program, I
>>will travel to Boston Bay Jamaica and use my music therapy training to
>>work with special needs school children, patients at an infirmary on
>>the geriatric and psychiatric wards, and in a homeless shelter.  It
>>would be a great experience for me, both personally and
>>professionally.
>>
>>I'm trying not to be too optimistic, but I think I have a fair shot of
>>getting in.  The interview portion of my application process went
>>really well, and I've met all other requirements.  I've already
>>discussed accessibility for the course materials and things like
>>safety with the program's director, and he seems more than willing to
>>accommodate with electronic materials and some extra orientation if I
>>need it when I'm at the site.  He told me that all that is left is for
>>my professor to give her approval, and she's already told me that she
>>thinks this would be great for me and that I have her support.  So,
>>all signs look pretty good.  I'm keeping my fingers crossed that
>>everything panns out as expected.
>>
>>I am now curious as to how others on this list have studied abroad.  I
>>realize my situation is a little different because it's short term and
>>experiential rather than class work, but there are still aspects of
>>the experience I am wondering about.  For example, how did you raise
>>the funds to go if that was an issue for you?  How were you received
>>in the airport of the country you visitted?  What was it like in the
>>country you visitted when locals saw you/talked to you?
>>
>>I have limitted travel experience.  My first plane ride was to the
>>2012 National Convention, and although I navigated both airports like
>>a champ and had no problems, I've never had to deal with customs or a
>>foreign airport before.  I also can't find anything about how
>>Jamaicans view people with disabilities.  I know that Jamaica is a
>>very religious country, and that Christianity is the prominent
>>religion, but I've had people from various sects of Christianity do
>>everything from claiming I was blind because some demon punished me or
>>my mother, and others who just acknowledged it for what it was-a
>>genetic or physical thing without religious affiliation, and that's
>>just in the U.S.  In my research I've also learned about the crime in
>>Jamaica, and am a little worried about being an easy target.  The
>>program I would be a part of is very well-staffed, and I would never
>>be out of the enclosed living area without a staff member to chaperone
>>me.  The program also has a 100% track record in ten years for
>>students returning home unharmed and with all their belongings, and
>>the program's director told me that we'll be in a pretty safe area
>>since we'll be in the countryside with local farmers and fishermen who
>>know what the students are doing and don't want to bite the hands that
>>feed them persay, rather than by the resorts where tourists are taken
>>advantage of frequently.  Nevertheless, I want to do everything I can
>>to ensure that I am safe if I end up going abroad.  I want to remember
>>the trip for the good things and the learning, not for getting hurt or
>>losing something valuable.  What extra measures would you experienced
>>study abroad students advise I take if selected to go?  Any
>>suggestions are welcome, especially if anyone has done study abroad or
>>service work in the West Indies before.
>>
>>--
>>Kaiti
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>nabs-l mailing list
>>nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Sep 29 22:56:31 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 15:56:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarships
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Hi Gloria, What kind of grad program and is any of it funded by the school?

On 9/28/14, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could offer any assistance. I will be starting
> grad school in January and was wondering if anybody could give me a list of
> scholarships that I might apply for for the 2015 2016 school year? Any help
> would be greatly appreciated thanks :-)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From slerythema at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 00:35:06 2014
From: slerythema at gmail.com (slery)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:35:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Braille Connect 12 for Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000001060082@mailfront2.g2host.com>


Braille Connect 12 from Humanware

Very gently used as a display for a couple of cell phones. It is a compact
display with 12 braille cells and router keys, 8 braille entry keys, a
joystick, and several navigation keys. It connects via Bluetooth to a cell
phone, computer, or laptop. I used it with two different window ce phones to
read emails, but I did not have a data plan at the time so the display was
only used occasionally. It is very portable and great for caring with you as
often as you carry your phone. I have switched to Android and do not have
keyboard entry with this display so I am not using it any more. It should
work with iPhones but I do not have any of those for testing.

Display comes with original box, charger, carry case, documentation, and cd.

Originally paid $2000 asking $1600 includes shipping.
Cindy slerythema at gmail.com



From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 02:17:55 2014
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:17:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations
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	<00DB0C28-DAF2-4BB6-A9CB-7AF58E98BD0F@gmail.com>
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Hi Rahul,
Is it possible to use APA format for citations? APA format puts the
citations in parentheses rather than footnotes, and the bibliography
is at the end of the paper, so it's much more JAWS-friendly. Many of
my professors allowed us to cite in the format of our choice,
including APA. But law may have a specialized format.
I agree that footnotes are tough to navigate, and I would suggest
putting all your citations in the body of a document and having a
sighted reader move them to the footnotes.
Best,
Arielle

On 9/28/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I hope this message finds you well.  As a law student, I am required to
>> write multiple research papers every semester.I sometimes find it hard  to
>> cite sources correctly in  my research papers. Citing cases is not
>> difficult, but I struggle with news articles, research papers in journals,
>> etc. Even though I have repeatedly gone through the blue book, I haven't
>> been able to fully internalize the myriad citation formats.
>> This problem is further exacerbated by the fact that JAWS acts in a very
>> sluggish and unresponsive manner when you try to access or modify
>> footnotes, so this makes the experience all the more unpleasant.
>> The upshot of this problem is that my research papers usually contain very
>> few footnotes- nothing more than fifteen or twenty. As you can imagine,
>> this greatly reduces the quality and veracity of the paper.
>> I would love to know what strategies you guys employ for grappling with
>> this issue.
>>
>> Best,
>> Rahul
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Sep 30 02:26:47 2014
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 22:26:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] advocating accessibility and feeling blamed, what to do
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	<CAFja7FavFhdFckjBtX3DU8cGK51k8E9t-18J8t_uSg2s+xHe8A@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Kaiti,

Thanks for your advice and I will most definitely start printing out 
corespondence.
As I read this disability coordinator's comments, not only did she blame me 
for failing to advocate to my ds counselor, but also
she fails to take any responsibility to address such issues. Further, her 
response was full of mistakes as if she could not even take the time to 
write a good gramatical free email. At least she did address my concerns one 
by one and label her responses with numbers.

I don't know the new digital accessibility coordinator's role. However, I do 
intend to ask him, all be it politely,
as well as ask him what steps he will take to solve such issues once I meet 
him.
He supposedly has something to do with web accessibility.

I agree you should not have to use a different browser. My jaws skills are 
intermediate to advanced but I also know that things have to be coded right 
for jaws to read, and its evident certain things are not. So, whether my 
skills are advanced is debatable, but either way, this is not the issue.

If I choose to write to a higher authority about it, do you think I should 
include past copies of my corespondence? I'm wondering if referencing what 
dates I wrote letters is enough.
I'm also debating how much time is reasonable to wait for them to redesign 
the site for greater access.
I'll start keeping track once I meet the digital coordinator of the time.
I'm guessing about a month and a half. I'm doing this now so when I take 
another business elective, the site will be fixed hopefully.

Sorry to learn your tech people give you the run around too.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton
Sent: Monday, September 29, 2014 3:24 PM
To: Ashley Bramlett ; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] advocating accessibility and feeling blamed, what to 
do

Hi Ashley,

I am so sorry you are having these issues.  It sounds like the DS
people are just being ignorant, and what is this Digital Accessibility
Coordinator doing anyway?

I would print out all copies of the emails you've sent to the person
who gave you those rude comments to show proof of your repeated
complaints of inaccessible web content.  If you've made phone calls
and can access the date and time of those calls, I'd write those down
and send them along as well.  Demonstrating to a higher authority that
you did indeed advocate for these serious issues to be resolved, and
the DS person said you didn't, will show them that you're the one with
the credibility and they'll be more likely to hold the DS person
accountable.

The tech people at my university have told me similar things when our
stuff doesn't work; they'll say, "Well, she needs to use a different
web browser."  While this isn't as bad as saying my JAWS skills suck
and I need more training, it is the same kind of thing.  I shouldn't
have to switch web browsers in order to access the same content
everyone else can get with the same web browser, or the web browser of
their choice for that matter.  I also don't know about you, but I
consider myself to be an advanced JAWS user but don't even use all the
commands in the book.  Nevertheless, the JAWS training you have really
shouldn't matter; even an advanced JAWS user would still have to deal
with that unlabeled table, have issues with the weird HTML5 tabs, etc.

Seriously, I wonder what this blind digital accessibility guy is
really doing, because it sounds like it should be his job to find
these problems and advise the tech people on how to troubleshoot them
on behalf of the students, or at least back them up when he doesn't
find something and they do.

On 9/28/14, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've mentioned here I've gone back to the community college, called Nova,
> for short, to obtain a writing certificate and have more electives; 
> figured
> it was better to do that while career exploring than sitting around. For
> instance, I've taken a general business class, public relations, and tried
> marketing. I ended up dropping marketing because of the style of lectures
> and unaccomodating atmosphere. I figured I was best off with a different
> professor later.
>
> I've encountered numerous accessibility issues on our college website.
> The following are the biggest issues.
> 1. PDFS don't read; the newsletters are often in that format.
> 2.  There are tabs that I cannot activate all links. I get into them with
> space bar, but after this, I have issues with in the tab. This is a new
> feature used in html 5.
> 3. unlabeled tables.
>
> I have barriers doing some research because I cannot click on all links 
> with
> in tabs for databases or encyclopedias.
>
> I'm quite frustrated because when I complained last year, nothing 
> happened;
> when I did that again, the campus wide disability coordinator blamed me 
> for
> failing to advocate. I felt her response was rude and abrupt when I asked
> for her address to send the formal letter; she says, you always had it.
>
> What should I do for advocacy other than meeting with the  digital
> accessibility coordinator who btw is also blind? I am hopeful he will
> understand being blind himself.
>
> I just feel quite ignored and cannot access all info I need to online due 
> to
> access.  She went so far as to say that all students need advanced jaws
> training or work arounds since not all sites are fully accessible. Okay, I
> agree we need to know jaws well,  but this tone seems to shift the blame 
> to
> students knowing all advanced settings in jaws menus and problem solving
> versus having a usable website up front.
> She should know I'm a good student, and I do not appreciate the 
> insinuation
> that I failed to know jaws enough. I've been told I know more than most
> people. can I learn more? Yes, but they need to do their part too.
>
> I'm taking my chances that using first names only will not yiled this
> message in google.
> The disability coordinator Estella said this with my comments first.
>
> 2.I told you a few months back that the website has not been designed to
> accommodate screen readers
> The website is bing redesigned and all issues are being solved as we
> advance. You are not the only blind student we have on campus and the more
> you know how to use Jaws, the less issues you have. I suggest you get an
> advance training in Jaws so you can learn the works around and succeed on
> any website which by the way, most of them are not 100%accessible.
>
>
> 3.For instance, I cannot click on the films on demand tab, so in order for
> me to watch the videos, I have to use sighted help.
> This is another issue that needs to be brought up to your instructor,
> disability counselor or inform Tim so he can work with the department to 
> fix
> the problem. If you keep it to yourself we will not be able to address it.
>
>
> 4.Please inform me what address to send my letter to.  My information is
> below my name and you have always had it.
>
>
>
> 6.I also have come across numerous powerpoints in my classes which are not
> as accessible as they can be. They need to have alt text on the graphics. 
> I
> suggest Nova train faculty how to make accessible documents.
> Once again, this is an issue you should have discussed with your 
> instructor
> and informed us. Our office helps faculty learn how to create accessible 
> PP
> and we are constantly training them. We have over 5000 faculty and staff 
> and
> believe me, you may have come across with one that was not yet trained but
> again, if you let us know, we fix the problem. It is not a matter of just
> complaining, it is a matter of informing in a timely manner when a problem
> is encounter so our office can address it.
>
>
> So, that is what she said in her own words. It seems like a rushed 
> response.
> I did inform my dss counselor and she shifts the blame to me saying I did
> not talk timely when this is something I've said before; maybe not to her,
> but my counselor who should have told her office rather than falling on
> deaf ears. I also informally complained of the website before so she is
> pretending she never heard.
>
> Should I send a copy of my letter when I write it to the dean of students?
> Has anyone encountered  similar issues?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
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-- 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 04:41:08 2014
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 00:41:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Citations
Message-ID: <542a3492.a74e320a.2381.ffff9f76@mx.google.com>

I also hate footnotes and use a citation style like Chicago 
reference list, MLA, or APA whenever I have the choice.  One of 
my majors is history though, which requires notes.  If I can get 
permission to do so, I use endnotes because they're completely 
accessible (just start a new page and write them into the body of 
the paper) , but if I have to use footnotes, I write them before 
the bibliography as endnotes and then get a sited person to put 
them into the paper either fitting them on the bottoms of the 
pages or using Word.  Be careful if you use Word or have someone 
else do it for you though because it's default settings for how 
footnotes appear often don't match the citation style you're 
using.  (For instance, it tries to delete the period after the 
number in the note itself, and I think it also superscripts the 
numbers in the note even though they usually aren't supposed to 
be.)  One trick I use is to put asterisks instead of numbers 
until the final draft of the paper so I don't have to renumber 
things if I add or delete a note somewhere in the middle of the 
paper.

As for remembering the different citation styles, there really 
isn't anything for it but memorization.  Basically you just need 
to know the format for books and the format for journal articles, 
and for you legal cases of course.  Before I knew the patterns by 
heart, I would flip back and forth from my citations to the 
Turabian guide to double check that I was following the rules, 
and unfortunately I don't know of any other way to do it whether 
your blind or sited.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: Rahul Bajaj <rahul.bajaj1038 at gmail.com>, National Association 
of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 29 Sep 2014 19:17:55 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Citations

Hi Rahul,
Is it possible to use APA format for citations? APA format puts 
the
citations in parentheses rather than footnotes, and the 
bibliography
is at the end of the paper, so it's much more JAWS-friendly. Many 
of
my professors allowed us to cite in the format of our choice,
including APA. But law may have a specialized format.
I agree that footnotes are tough to navigate, and I would suggest
putting all your citations in the body of a document and having a
sighted reader move them to the footnotes.
Best,
Arielle

On 9/28/14, Rahul Bajaj via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi all,

 I hope this message finds you well.  As a law student, I am 
required to
 write multiple research papers every semester.I sometimes find 
it hard  to
 cite sources correctly in  my research papers. Citing cases is 
not
 difficult, but I struggle with news articles, research papers in 
journals,
 etc. Even though I have repeatedly gone through the blue book, I 
haven't
 been able to fully internalize the myriad citation formats.
 This problem is further exacerbated by the fact that JAWS acts 
in a very
 sluggish and unresponsive manner when you try to access or 
modify
 footnotes, so this makes the experience all the more unpleasant.
 The upshot of this problem is that my research papers usually 
contain very
 few footnotes- nothing more than fifteen or twenty. As you can 
imagine,
 this greatly reduces the quality and veracity of the paper.
 I would love to know what strategies you guys employ for 
grappling with
 this issue.

 Best,
 Rahul

 Sent from my iPhone

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From anjelinac at att.net  Tue Sep 30 06:17:10 2014
From: anjelinac at att.net (Anjelina)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 02:17:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A positive narrative about an Accommodating professor
Message-ID: <BBBEBC27-0A1A-40BB-839F-45F77AC6E73F@att.net>

Hi all,
I hope this message finds you well. Well, we are nearly to the mid point of the semester and I wanted to share my experience with a professor who has gone above and beyond her duties as an instructor. One of my grad courses is Evaluation of Clinical Practice. It's a course which integrates stats and research methods with social work practice. Since it's a highly visual course my professor has made the graphs accessible by using puffy paint to make Braille and a board with string and push pins to  demonstrate concepts.
How have professors enriched your academic experience?



-Anjelina
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Sep 30 21:35:33 2014
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 17:35:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A positive narrative about an Accommodating professor
Message-ID: <542b222f.087fe00a.7321.3d1e@mx.google.com>

Hi everyone hope you are doing well.  I'd like to share my story 
about an accommodating professor.  Last semester I took a course 
called Law and the Legal System.  My professor made every effort 
to send me things ahead of time before classes.  She also made 
sure that I understood what we were doing in class.  I was also 
allowed to tape record the presentations that many of the guest 
speakers gave since she asked questions about them on tests.


From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Sep 30 23:09:44 2014
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 30 Sep 2014 19:09:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] khan ,academy
Message-ID: <959D0B48-B277-4422-A2B2-78B1D5BC5F5F@icloud.com>



hi,
i was switched to a new math class and they are using a sight called khan academy. i will have most ( my work brailled, but am just wondering if it is accessible. ,?anks!
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