From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Wed Apr  1 01:51:32 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 21:51:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions for Students
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Hi,
just saw this reviewiing old mail. do you still need survey responses?
if so, how do I take it?

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Nora Goldberg via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, March 03, 2015 5:30 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions for Students

Dear Student Listers,

I am a college student in Philadelphia and I am taking an Ethnographic
Methods class.  My project for the class focuses on the blind community,
and I have some questions about individual hobbies, about your experience
as a student, about career aspirations, etcetera. I have put together a
survey and I would love to get as many respondents to take it as possible.

If you would prefer to private message me, you can reach me at
neg39 at drexel.edu.

Thank you so much!  I appreciate your assistance.

Sincerely,

Nora E. Goldberg
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From filerime at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 02:08:05 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 19:08:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
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Hi
This is wonderful and so exciting for me.
In Turkey, we didn’t have disability offices but had students clubs.
We were not only running some advocacy campaign’s, but also setting up
a network of volunteers. Let’s say I need to study math, I would turn
to club to see whether we have a volunteer to help me.
I missed that spiritual genuineness.
Since I have started at UC, I have been thinking  about disability
office and other student organizations.
There is a women association, there is an office related to black
students and there is a disability office.
Disability office serves to the students with various disabilities.
They sometimes scan the books, arrange sign language interpreter so
and so.
What does women association/ office do? Do day give feminine products?
Hahahaha! Of course not. They mostly work on advocacy. At this point
disability office stays very premature by just serving for the basic
needs.
I’m hoping that your student club will fill this gab.
I hope I can do something in the fall.
Let us know how it is going please


2015-03-31 16:29 GMT-07:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Kaiti I think this is an excellent idea.  You could do an
> outreach on campus by oupering to braille greeting cards for the
> Christmas holidays during the Fall semester.
>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Wed Apr  1 03:32:57 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 23:32:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <CAMtP_9dqrN47uMmqScwssowL8x7jLa98W-aBM-DoXVBxLQo9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
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Kaiti, this is very exciting.
UCLA is also began taking the first steps to create an organization of 
students with disabilities and allies.
For some other activity suggestions, I would say playing adaptive 
sports like experiencing wheelchair basketball or goal ball.
Hosting workshops for students on campus about topics related to 
disability would be also a good activity to think about.
Lastly, what my friend and I are envisioning is having a mentor mentee 
system so upper classmen can mentor incoming students.
Best,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Elif Emir Öksüz via
  nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: Roanna Bacchus <rbacchus228 at gmail.com>; National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Tue, Mar 31, 2015 7:08 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability

Hi
This is wonderful and so exciting for me.
In Turkey, we didn’t have disability offices but had students clubs.
We were not only running some advocacy campaign’s, but also setting up
a network of volunteers. Let’s say I need to study math, I would turn
to club to see whether we have a volunteer to help me.
I missed that spiritual genuineness.
Since I have started at UC, I have been thinking  about disability
office and other student organizations.
There is a women association, there is an office related to black
students and there is a disability office.
Disability office serves to the students with various disabilities.
They sometimes scan the books, arrange sign language interpreter so
and so.
What does women association/ office do? Do day give feminine products?
Hahahaha! Of course not. They mostly work on advocacy. At this point
disability office stays very premature by just serving for the basic
needs.
I’m hoping that your student club will fill this gab.
I hope I can do something in the fall.
Let us know how it is going please


2015-03-31 16:29 GMT-07:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Kaiti I think this is an excellent idea.  You could do an
> outreach on campus by oupering to braille greeting cards for the
> Christmas holidays during the Fall semester.
>
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Wed Apr  1 03:31:42 2015
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2015 22:31:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
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	<CAMtP_9dqrN47uMmqScwssowL8x7jLa98W-aBM-DoXVBxLQo9Sg@mail.gmail.com>
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It sounds like it might be a reasonable attempt.  As for giving out feminine products, it reminds me that how disappointed I was when as a 19 year old, I found out what was really meant by the term "women' studies".  That was a down day.  Haha.  

Loren 



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elif Emir Öksüz via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, March 31, 2015 9:08 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability

Hi
This is wonderful and so exciting for me.
In Turkey, we didn’t have disability offices but had students clubs.
We were not only running some advocacy campaign’s, but also setting up a network of volunteers. Let’s say I need to study math, I would turn to club to see whether we have a volunteer to help me.
I missed that spiritual genuineness.
Since I have started at UC, I have been thinking  about disability office and other student organizations.
There is a women association, there is an office related to black students and there is a disability office.
Disability office serves to the students with various disabilities.
They sometimes scan the books, arrange sign language interpreter so and so.
What does women association/ office do? Do day give feminine products?
Hahahaha! Of course not. They mostly work on advocacy. At this point disability office stays very premature by just serving for the basic needs.
I’m hoping that your student club will fill this gab.
I hope I can do something in the fall.
Let us know how it is going please


2015-03-31 16:29 GMT-07:00, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi Kaiti I think this is an excellent idea.  You could do an outreach 
> on campus by oupering to braille greeting cards for the Christmas 
> holidays during the Fall semester.
>
> _______________________________________________
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 05:52:24 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 01:52:24 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
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Hey! Kaiti! This is Helga. How are you? That's great that you are doing this club for students with disabilities!  I actually have the same idea like you in forming a club for students with disabilities  in order to see how we can help each other and advocate! However, in my college I don't have a another blind friend or visually impaired like me that is facing the same issues that I'm facing with my DSS support services department! And this club that i want form is in ordr for all the students with dissabilities to express about therir feelings regarding how was the services of the Disability support services was for them and professors support to them, and many other things. I'm actually totally blind and I actually live in Florida, and my college that I'm attending right now is here. I have friends, but they are sighted! And as you know, I'm actually a member of Phi Theta Kappa honor society but i don't know how I can tell them about that? All of them are sighted, and I don't know if they will understand what i mean. Currently I'm facing a lot of issues with my DSS advisor regarding some matters, which i already discuss with ehr about, but she is stil fighting about them. I have actually been fighting  for my rights since i came to the school! However, its a long story that i don't want to tell here since it is very long. So Kaiti, can I be part of your club that you will create eventually at your school,  by skype even though I live in Florida? I'm just wondering since I think it will help me create my club as well! I'm actually graduating this semester, but i think forming a club is a great idea! I actually have some ideas that could work in your club! And regarding Martial arts, I'm also doing Karate, and I think that having some events regarding self defense will be great as well! Feel free to contact me off list or call me in ordr to talk regarding this matter since i don't want to clutter the list ok? I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks so much and God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
> 
> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
> 
> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
> Any other ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 05:59:46 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 01:59:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <245BDCBF-CA82-41C7-878F-E9B096FB9C5F@gmail.com>

And Kaiti, one last question, how can afeliate with Alpha Delta Phi, the international Organization for Students with Disabilities? I apologize for the misspelling of the name. I think this organization is a great one! This is actually my first time that i heard about it! guys! Thank you again! :) 

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
> 
> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
> 
> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
> Any other ideas?
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 15:08:26 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 11:08:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <245BDCBF-CA82-41C7-878F-E9B096FB9C5F@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
	<245BDCBF-CA82-41C7-878F-E9B096FB9C5F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYbu7JXFb3hbCioggFZSxCAE8Jy=uXRvNT9oNDnv=XYfQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for your suggestions.  Some are things the other student and I
have thought up in passing, and others are brand new.  I'd love to set
up some sort of Goalball intermural for the club or with the campus
community, and possibly even see if a team from Wright State (the
other college in the area) might be interested in playing.

I agree, Elif, the main thing that sparked this club was that we felt
like the confidentiality used by the DS office, although
understandable, was getting in the way of fixing some real problems on
campus.  The biggest challenge for the other student and I is that
although we can talk about the problems and good things as they
pertain to blind people on campus we can't speak for the challenges
and good things experienced by those with other disabilities on
campus.  We're hoping the organization, which she and I have taken the
liberty of naming "Insight" will foster understanding of all types of
disabilities in the campus community.  The name "Insight" has a double
meaning; not only is it a punn since the two students starting this
organization are blind, but it also has the goal of providing some
insight into disability issues.

Derek, I am interested in going to the Provost for an accessibility
talk once we've got a few students together.  I'll email you off-list
for more information.

On another note, the president of Delta Alpha PI, an international
honors society for students with disabilities, just got back to me
with instructions on how to set up a chapter.  This is something we're
thinking of tying into Insight itself, but it may also be a
stand-alone honors society if the DS office agrees to sponsor it in
addition to the student org.

Any more suggestions are welcome.  I'm trying to gather as many ideas
and suggestions of what would be helpful as possible.



On 4/1/15, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
> And Kaiti, one last question, how can afeliate with Alpha Delta Phi, the
> international Organization for Students with Disabilities? I apologize for
> the misspelling of the name. I think this organization is a great one! This
> is actually my first time that i heard about it! guys! Thank you again! :)
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
> Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
>> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
>> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
>> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
>> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
>> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
>> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
>> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
>> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
>> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
>> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
>> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
>> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
>> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
>>
>> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
>> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
>> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
>> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
>> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
>>
>> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
>> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
>> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
>> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
>> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
>> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
>> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
>> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
>> Any other ideas?
>>
>> --
>> Kaiti
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>


-- 
Kaiti


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  1 23:55:37 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 1 Apr 2015 16:55:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 10:13:04 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 06:13:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FYbu7JXFb3hbCioggFZSxCAE8Jy=uXRvNT9oNDnv=XYfQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAFja7FYbu7JXFb3hbCioggFZSxCAE8Jy=uXRvNT9oNDnv=XYfQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F79A6742-7A06-4F40-B686-37E4C68494F4@gmail.com>

Kaiti and all,
	This is a fabulous idea!
One way you may want to approach the barrier of confidentiality with the DS Office is by bringing them up to speed with what you all are looking to do with this organization. While they cannot directly provide you with various names of students who are disabled, I am sure they could reach out to them personally and give the disabled students your contact information. This, of course, would need permission by you.
In this way, you are giving the okay for them to utilize your name and that would bridge the gap, allowing the students to then proceed with not contacting you or deciding to opt into the organization.

It may be a good idea to also converse with the Director of Student Engagement/Campus Organizations. He/she could fill you in on any existing organizations such as American Sign Language Club, etc.
I think the best way to ignite the involvement is by having a dinner/lunch/get together rather than diving in head first into disability issues. This will encourage an initial foundation for the members. I always find it beneficial to have somewhat social events so members of an organization feel comfortable and welcome before addressing touchy topics.

Please feel free to email me off list with any questions or concerns.
Again, this is a phenomenal idea and I wish you luck going into it!
Best,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
Treasurer | Connecticut Association of Blind Students
Board Member | The Science and Engineering Division
(Coordinator | Connecticut BELL Program
Executive Editor | The Federationist Newsletter
203) 273-8463
kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

On Apr 1, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi all,
> 
> Thanks for your suggestions.  Some are things the other student and I
> have thought up in passing, and others are brand new.  I'd love to set
> up some sort of Goalball intermural for the club or with the campus
> community, and possibly even see if a team from Wright State (the
> other college in the area) might be interested in playing.
> 
> I agree, Elif, the main thing that sparked this club was that we felt
> like the confidentiality used by the DS office, although
> understandable, was getting in the way of fixing some real problems on
> campus.  The biggest challenge for the other student and I is that
> although we can talk about the problems and good things as they
> pertain to blind people on campus we can't speak for the challenges
> and good things experienced by those with other disabilities on
> campus.  We're hoping the organization, which she and I have taken the
> liberty of naming "Insight" will foster understanding of all types of
> disabilities in the campus community.  The name "Insight" has a double
> meaning; not only is it a punn since the two students starting this
> organization are blind, but it also has the goal of providing some
> insight into disability issues.
> 
> Derek, I am interested in going to the Provost for an accessibility
> talk once we've got a few students together.  I'll email you off-list
> for more information.
> 
> On another note, the president of Delta Alpha PI, an international
> honors society for students with disabilities, just got back to me
> with instructions on how to set up a chapter.  This is something we're
> thinking of tying into Insight itself, but it may also be a
> stand-alone honors society if the DS office agrees to sponsor it in
> addition to the student org.
> 
> Any more suggestions are welcome.  I'm trying to gather as many ideas
> and suggestions of what would be helpful as possible.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/1/15, Helga Schreiber <helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> And Kaiti, one last question, how can afeliate with Alpha Delta Phi, the
>> international Organization for Students with Disabilities? I apologize for
>> the misspelling of the name. I think this organization is a great one! This
>> is actually my first time that i heard about it! guys! Thank you again! :)
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber
>> 
>> Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind
>> Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>> 
>> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever
>> believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
>>> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
>>> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
>>> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
>>> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
>>> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
>>> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
>>> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
>>> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
>>> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
>>> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
>>> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
>>> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
>>> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
>>> 
>>> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
>>> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
>>> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
>>> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
>>> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
>>> 
>>> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
>>> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
>>> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
>>> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
>>> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
>>> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
>>> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
>>> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
>>> Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>> 
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
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From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 18:28:19 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abigail Bolling)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 14:28:19 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
Message-ID: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on! 
I am a client of Ohio's rehab services. 
There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school. 
I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was never given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the report all together. 
A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks. 
I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my case worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to come back. 
I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was not accessible, or acceptable. 
The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed versions of the template. 
To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking my ability for independence away from me. 
What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said paperwork? I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be their responsibility to do that? 
I think not. 
But I want to know what you think. 
I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for a reply there. 
Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys. 

Abigail Bolling 

Wright State University-2019: Social Work

"Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)

From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 20:19:26 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 02 Apr 2015 16:19:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
Message-ID: <551da467.5312370a.434b.ffff84ba@mx.google.com>

Hi Abagail this is an interesting discussion topic.  I have to 
complete a semester review meeting with my rehab counselor at the 
end of every semester.  This is required for all college students 
who are clients with dbs.  I also have to sign my plan for 
services when it expires.


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 20:30:43 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:30:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <551da467.5312370a.434b.ffff84ba@mx.google.com>
References: <551da467.5312370a.434b.ffff84ba@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDNO=4vjfFfNEB+zCGtYkNSR8KH=iZB6hicvE==0GMtyw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Abigail, What an annoying situation. I definitely suggest
contacting someone high up at the agency. If the forms are
inaccessible, they need to make a reasonable accommodation, such as
allowing you to type your reports into a Word document they can
transfer to their form, or letting you dictate your answers to
someone. Making you use a reader doesn't seem fair or in line with the
purpose of the agency which is to help people with disabilities become
employed.
Arielle

On 4/2/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Abagail this is an interesting discussion topic.  I have to
> complete a semester review meeting with my rehab counselor at the
> end of every semester.  This is required for all college students
> who are clients with dbs.  I also have to sign my plan for
> services when it expires.
>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 20:33:36 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 13:33:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJDNO=4vjfFfNEB+zCGtYkNSR8KH=iZB6hicvE==0GMtyw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <551da467.5312370a.434b.ffff84ba@mx.google.com>
	<CALAYQJDNO=4vjfFfNEB+zCGtYkNSR8KH=iZB6hicvE==0GMtyw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBXMd6WS35VGDRCaqNXT0uQOiRtZ3LZNCuYbWJiuK-k7w@mail.gmail.com>

Also, if it's an image file, you can try sending it as an attachment to
convert at robobraille.org
Put "doc" in the subject line and you should get back an accessible
Word version of the form. However, the form might not be in exactly
the same format as the image version. You can fill it out by typing
your answers next to the appropriate questions in the Word doc, but it
might not visually look like their form. It's not an ideal solution
but could work in a pinch.
Arielle

On 4/2/15, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Abigail, What an annoying situation. I definitely suggest
> contacting someone high up at the agency. If the forms are
> inaccessible, they need to make a reasonable accommodation, such as
> allowing you to type your reports into a Word document they can
> transfer to their form, or letting you dictate your answers to
> someone. Making you use a reader doesn't seem fair or in line with the
> purpose of the agency which is to help people with disabilities become
> employed.
> Arielle
>
> On 4/2/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi Abagail this is an interesting discussion topic.  I have to
>> complete a semester review meeting with my rehab counselor at the
>> end of every semester.  This is required for all college students
>> who are clients with dbs.  I also have to sign my plan for
>> services when it expires.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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>>
>


From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  2 22:37:44 2015
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 16:37:44 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>

Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and 
not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people 
that do not want to work on something properly?

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements


> Hi all,
> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every 
> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was never 
> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the 
> report all together.
> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to 
> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of 
> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an 
> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my 
> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my case 
> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to come 
> back.
> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this 
> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was not 
> accessible, or acceptable.
> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed versions 
> of the template.
> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking my 
> ability for independence away from me.
> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said paperwork? 
> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be their 
> responsibility to do that?
> I think not.
> But I want to know what you think.
> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for a 
> reply there.
> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>
> Abigail Bolling
>
> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the 
> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 01:11:13 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 18:11:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>

I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
Arielle

On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
> that do not want to work on something properly?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>
>
>> Hi all,
>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was never
>>
>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>> report all together.
>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my case
>>
>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to come
>>
>> back.
>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was not
>>
>> accessible, or acceptable.
>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed versions
>>
>> of the template.
>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking my
>>
>> ability for independence away from me.
>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said paperwork?
>>
>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be their
>>
>> responsibility to do that?
>> I think not.
>> But I want to know what you think.
>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for a
>>
>> reply there.
>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>
>> Abigail Bolling
>>
>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com
>>
>
>
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From blacklotus86 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 01:37:46 2015
From: blacklotus86 at gmail.com (zeynep sule yilmaz)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 20:37:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
That was so painful times for me.


2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
> Arielle
>
> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>> never
>>>
>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>>> report all together.
>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>> case
>>>
>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>> come
>>>
>>> back.
>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>> not
>>>
>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>> versions
>>>
>>> of the template.
>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking
>>> my
>>>
>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>> paperwork?
>>>
>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>> their
>>>
>>> responsibility to do that?
>>> I think not.
>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for
>>> a
>>>
>>> reply there.
>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>>
>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>
>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>
>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>> _______________________________________________
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Fri Apr  3 02:27:33 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:27:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>

I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey,
> 
> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
> That was so painful times for me.
> 
> 
> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>> Arielle
>> 
>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>> 
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>> never
>>>> 
>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>>>> report all together.
>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>> case
>>>> 
>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>> come
>>>> 
>>>> back.
>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>> not
>>>> 
>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>> versions
>>>> 
>>>> of the template.
>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking
>>>> my
>>>> 
>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>> paperwork?
>>>> 
>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>> their
>>>> 
>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>> I think not.
>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for
>>>> a
>>>> 
>>>> reply there.
>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>>> 
>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>> 
>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>> 
>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 02:47:21 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 2 Apr 2015 22:47:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Internship Opportunity
Message-ID: <000201d06db8$82a1b470$87e51d50$@gmail.com>

Please see the below announcement for an exciting internship opportunity in
which you may be interested:

 

Hello Friend! 

 

We're hoping to find some really smart, skilled and good hearted people to
join our team. We are especially looking for university students and recent
graduates who really want to expand their skills and contacts, while making
a difference for people with disabilities. Please check out the 3 options
below and help spread the word!

 

Thanks!

 

Jennifer Laszlo Mizrahi

RespectAbilityUSA.org

 

Fellows/Interns for Public Policy and Practice
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6423%7c69777%7c5
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6423%7c69777%7c5
&digest=aUADm%2f5yi5hr0VTABIs%2b0A&sysid=1>
&digest=aUADm%2f5yi5hr0VTABIs%2b0A&sysid=1> 

Fellows/Interns for Inclusion of Jews with Disabilities
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6424%7c69777%7c5
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6424%7c69777%7c5
&digest=yHk3wxNVfmiWgKcTIMIaIA&sysid=1>
&digest=yHk3wxNVfmiWgKcTIMIaIA&sysid=1> 

Fellows/Interns for Development/Fundraising
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6435%7c69777%7c5
<http://click.bsftransmit7.com/ClickThru.aspx?pubids=1136%7c6435%7c69777%7c5
&digest=58KXXyKnA1NJ2swnn66W2Q&sysid=1>
&digest=58KXXyKnA1NJ2swnn66W2Q&sysid=1>

 

Chris Nusbaum, Vice President

Maryland Association of Blind Students

A Division of the National Federation of the Blind of Maryland

Phone: (443) 547-2409

Email: dotkid.nusbaum at gmail.com

Twitter: @Chrisn98 and @NFBMD

 

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations for blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you back.

 


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Fri Apr  3 15:27:22 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Fri, 3 Apr 2015 11:27:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <5BD64928-D228-44CE-BC73-80E86BD86E6C@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5BD64928-D228-44CE-BC73-80E86BD86E6C@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <8FE887ED-FB22-48FD-BDD0-86D1C0A84824@gmail.com>

I work with the Center for distributed learning ECF to make sure the online courses are accessible to students with disabilities I really enjoy doing this it's very rewarding sometimes

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> One thing students are doing is meeting with the President and or Provost of colleges and telling them how they are doing good on accessibility and how they can improve. This is something the NABS board is actively trying to work with students to make happen. Let me know if this is something that interests you. 
> 
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> NABS board member
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
>> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
>> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
>> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
>> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
>> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
>> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
>> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
>> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
>> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
>> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
>> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
>> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
>> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
>> 
>> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
>> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
>> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
>> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
>> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
>> 
>> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
>> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
>> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
>> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
>> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
>> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
>> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
>> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
>> Any other ideas?
>> 
>> -- 
>> Kaiti
>> 
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From steve.jacobson at visi.com  Sat Apr  4 18:23:52 2015
From: steve.jacobson at visi.com (Steve Jacobson)
Date: Sat, 04 Apr 2015 13:23:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scholarship Opportunity for Blind Minnesotans Closes April
	15
Message-ID: <auto-000001759414@mailback2.g2host.com>

The deadline for applications for these scholarships is April 15.  The following announcement is from the Scholarship Committee of the National Federation 
of the Blind of Minnesota.  It is being sent on behalf of Sheila Koenig, the chairperson of that committee: 

January, 2015

Dear Prospective Applicant:

The National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota announces its 2015 scholarship program. This year we will be awarding one scholarship for $1,500 and 
one scholarship for $1000 to qualified applicants. In addition to the monetary award, one of the winners will attend the annual convention of the National 
Federation of the Blind from July 5-10 in Orlando, Florida. At the convention, the scholarship winner will have the opportunity to meet other blind students 
and gain insights into succeeding as a blind person. Additionally, both winners will attend the National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota convention in 
Fall, 
2015. The scholarships will be presented at the banquet of this convention. Candidates must be students who are legally blind and attending a post-
secondary school full-time in Minnesota. 

In order to be eligible for the scholarship, complete the online application and attach the following documents. 

http://nfbmn.coffeecup.com/scholarship/ 

1.	Personal essay from applicant. NFB scholarships are awarded on the basis of scholastic excellence and community/campus service and 
leadership. In your essay, discuss the goals you have for the future as well as your academic and community activities.  Tell us about yourself and why you 
are a deserving recipient of the scholarship. Since the awards are restricted to legally blind people, the committee will also be interested in the techniques 
you use to succeed as a student who is blind. 

2.	Two letters of recommendation. You can attach these letters to the online application or send via email to Scholarships.nfbmn at gmail.com

3.	Current official transcript from institution now attending and transcripts from all other post-secondary institutions attended. If you have not yet 
completed one year of college study, submit a transcript from the high school you previously attended.

4.	Interview with Committee Member: All applicants will be contacted by phone by a member of the scholarship committee. This interview will enable 
the committee to learn more about you and your goals for the future. The interviews will be conducted after the application deadline. 

Applications and attachments should be received by April 15, 2015. 

If you or anyone else should have any questions regarding these awards, please contact me at: (612) 977-9110 or shekoenig at comcast.net   Additionally, 
the National Federation of the Blind offers 30 national scholarships each year, but the deadline for this year has passed.  However, keep these national 
scholarships in mind next year.  . If you would like more information about these scholarships, visit  
http://www.nfb.org/scholarships 

Finally, please visit http://www.nfbmn.org to learn more about us and what we do here in Minnesota.

Sincerely,

Sheila Koenig, Chairperson
Scholarship Committee, National Federation of the Blind of Minnesota























From blindstein at gmail.com  Sat Apr  4 22:48:01 2015
From: blindstein at gmail.com (Justin Harford)
Date: Sat, 4 Apr 2015 15:48:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate for convention
Message-ID: <03CD4155-4497-4897-8C82-92096E2DBD66@gmail.com>

If anyone is looking for a room mate for nfb15 convention please feel free to pm me and tell me about yourself. I plan to be there monday through Friday. 

Regards
Justin Harford
530-864-3277 




From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 04:27:11 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:27:11 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello all
Message-ID: <23ED1464-6ED3-4E40-B5E5-286AD35C0EA2@hotmail.com>

Hello all, for those whom remember me posting a while ago, I’m back, but I changed my email. I just wanted to introduce myself to those whom I haven’t met yet, I hope everyone is well.
I wanted to also say that I’m very grateful NFB has lists like these.
I wanted to ask you all a question as far as introducing myself.
I use KNFB Reader sometimes, or have started using it.
It’s a bit tricky for me since I have no useable sight to read text and what not and I’m not sure how to position   my phone and what not.
I would like some help if you can.
I have an iPhone 6, 16 gb..
Please help if possible.
By the way I’m 21 years old and totally blind with light perception.
Talk soon all, Take care and god bless.



From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 04:28:16 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 00:28:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello all
Message-ID: <2E7B5C76-4376-49ED-991F-9CB5CD105C5C@hotmail.com>

Hello all, for those whom remember me posting a while ago, I’m back, but I changed my email. I just wanted to introduce myself to those whom I haven’t met yet, I hope everyone is well.
I wanted to also say that I’m very grateful NFB has lists like these.
I wanted to ask you all a question as far as introducing myself.
I use KNFB Reader sometimes, or have started using it.
It’s a bit tricky for me since I have no useable sight to read text and what not and I’m not sure how to position   my phone and what not.
I would like some help if you can.
I have an iPhone 6, 16 gb..
Please help if possible.
By the way I’m 21 years old and totally blind with light perception.
Talk soon all, Take care and god bless.



From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 06:53:07 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 02:53:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Hello all
In-Reply-To: <2E7B5C76-4376-49ED-991F-9CB5CD105C5C@hotmail.com>
References: <2E7B5C76-4376-49ED-991F-9CB5CD105C5C@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <9889F75E-EAD7-4DD0-BC41-B4193F1CAB8F@gmail.com>

You might try a stance Caleb pro or a giraffe reader. Both of these will stabilize your phone and put the wet the optimal position to take a picture. Welcome back!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:28 AM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all, for those whom remember me posting a while ago, I’m back, but I changed my email. I just wanted to introduce myself to those whom I haven’t met yet, I hope everyone is well.
> I wanted to also say that I’m very grateful NFB has lists like these.
> I wanted to ask you all a question as far as introducing myself.
> I use KNFB Reader sometimes, or have started using it.
> It’s a bit tricky for me since I have no useable sight to read text and what not and I’m not sure how to position   my phone and what not.
> I would like some help if you can.
> I have an iPhone 6, 16 gb..
> Please help if possible.
> By the way I’m 21 years old and totally blind with light perception.
> Talk soon all, Take care and god bless.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 12:47:48 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 08:47:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Thanks for the suggestions
Message-ID: <8338736B-B620-4E64-B05E-0DC024DE6B74@hotmail.com>

I want tho thank those whom sent me scanning app suggestions.
I will make sure to try those apps out..
Thanks again!

Sincerely,
Mabelin



From patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com  Mon Apr  6 17:53:46 2015
From: patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com (Sarah Patnaude)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 13:53:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
Message-ID: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>

Hey everyone,

NABS needs your help! 

As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 

If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 

I look forward to reading your stories! 

Sarah Patnaude



From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Mon Apr  6 18:04:59 2015
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:04:59 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0379597-ABCB-4E24-9AC0-54330D93CBC4@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Dear Sarah,
	 James from Tennessee here! How have you been? Thank you for your email. My chapter has put together a “Educator of the Year” program, where we have our student members nominate a teacher or university employee who passionately ensured making their course accessible . I think it might be a good write up to put on the blog, if you think it will fit. Let me know. Keep up the good work. i will also forward your email to  our chapter  as well.
Best,

James Alan Boehm
Contact Information:
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com

Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!




> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> NABS needs your help! 
> 
> As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 
> 
> If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 
> 
> I look forward to reading your stories! 
> 
> Sarah Patnaude
> 
> 
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Apr  6 19:37:52 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 15:37:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <E0379597-ABCB-4E24-9AC0-54330D93CBC4@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
	<E0379597-ABCB-4E24-9AC0-54330D93CBC4@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <2A4EFF66-9A36-491F-BB2F-AEDB303C336D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Thanks for helping us out Sarah. In May, I can write a post about our meeting with the President of Harvard regarding accessibility and the TEACH Act. 

Best wishes
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 2:04 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sarah,
>     James from Tennessee here! How have you been? Thank you for your email. My chapter has put together a “Educator of the Year” program, where we have our student members nominate a teacher or university employee who passionately ensured making their course accessible . I think it might be a good write up to put on the blog, if you think it will fit. Let me know. Keep up the good work. i will also forward your email to  our chapter  as well.
> Best,
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Contact Information:
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
> 
> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> NABS needs your help! 
>> 
>> As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 
>> 
>> If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 
>> 
>> I look forward to reading your stories! 
>> 
>> Sarah Patnaude
>> 
>> 
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr  6 22:56:45 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:56:45 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6EACFB68-60F2-4303-AE9D-0B9D601F4E03@hotmail.com>

I will think of an article, does a basic explanation of how I became totally blind fit this project? Or does it have to be after sight loss?

From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 00:58:33 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 18:58:33 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <E0379597-ABCB-4E24-9AC0-54330D93CBC4@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
	<E0379597-ABCB-4E24-9AC0-54330D93CBC4@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <1B04C360-A052-4037-91C0-0FC710C2539C@gmail.com>

James,
I would like to hear more about this educator of the year award.

Anna E Givens

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:04 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sarah,
>     James from Tennessee here! How have you been? Thank you for your email. My chapter has put together a “Educator of the Year” program, where we have our student members nominate a teacher or university employee who passionately ensured making their course accessible . I think it might be a good write up to put on the blog, if you think it will fit. Let me know. Keep up the good work. i will also forward your email to  our chapter  as well.
> Best,
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Contact Information:
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> NFB Email: secretary at nfb-tn.org
> Kustom Cane: kustomcane at gmail.com
> 
> Blindness never limits-low expectations do! Live the life you want!
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> NABS needs your help! 
>> 
>> As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 
>> 
>> If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 
>> 
>> I look forward to reading your stories! 
>> 
>> Sarah Patnaude
>> 
>> 
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From sweetpeareader at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 02:58:10 2015
From: sweetpeareader at gmail.com (Sophie Trist)
Date: Mon, 06 Apr 2015 21:58:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about bookshare
Message-ID: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>

Hi NABS Friends,

     As the subject line of this email implies, I have a question 
regarding Bookshare, which I absolutely love using with my 
braillenote apex. I've used Bookshare for a number of years, and 
because I'm a student, my membership is free. This year, I'm 
graduating high school and am heading off to exciting adventures 
at LCB. Is the Bookshare membership still free for center 
students, or do we pay for it? Any answers will be appreciated.

Yours,
Sophie


From louvins at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 03:29:35 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:29:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about bookshare
In-Reply-To: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>
References: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sophie.  Bookshare is free to any student whether you are in high
school, or college.  When I was getting my associates degree, I was
able to get bookshare for free.  Since the center isn't college, I
believe you'd have to pay for bookshare.  The cost is $50 per year.
Good luck with your training after high school.

On 4/6/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi NABS Friends,
>
>      As the subject line of this email implies, I have a question
> regarding Bookshare, which I absolutely love using with my
> braillenote apex. I've used Bookshare for a number of years, and
> because I'm a student, my membership is free. This year, I'm
> graduating high school and am heading off to exciting adventures
> at LCB. Is the Bookshare membership still free for center
> students, or do we pay for it? Any answers will be appreciated.
>
> Yours,
> Sophie
>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 04:41:06 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Mon, 6 Apr 2015 22:41:06 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>
	<CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <78D41EA8-B1F7-40ED-939F-AFC49732E43B@gmail.com>

Sophie,  i can't say for sure, but I would think it would still be free.  I did not go to LCB, but when I was at CCB it was free, so I would assume it is the same, however, I would highly recommendgiving LCB a quick call and ask. 
Good luck and enjoy.

Anna E Givens

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 9:29 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sophie.  Bookshare is free to any student whether you are in high
> school, or college.  When I was getting my associates degree, I was
> able to get bookshare for free.  Since the center isn't college, I
> believe you'd have to pay for bookshare. The cost is $50 per year.
> Good luck with your training after high school.
> 
>> On 4/6/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi NABS Friends,
>> 
>>     As the subject line of this email implies, I have a question
>> regarding Bookshare, which I absolutely love using with my
>> braillenote apex. I've used Bookshare for a number of years, and
>> because I'm a student, my membership is free. This year, I'm
>> graduating high school and am heading off to exciting adventures
>> at LCB. Is the Bookshare membership still free for center
>> students, or do we pay for it? Any answers will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Sophie
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
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> 
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From tbrown.brl at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 04:47:32 2015
From: tbrown.brl at gmail.com (Tom Brown)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 00:47:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about bookshare
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>
	<CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <228EE532-45C4-4FE0-9BD4-0B0620E278DD@gmail.com>

I believe that your Bookshare membership can still be free. I believe that there is an option, when you are renewing, under your current type of  schooling, that would apply to training centers.
Hope this helps
Tom Brown 
Pres. Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students 

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Sophie.  Bookshare is free to any student whether you are in high
> school, or college.  When I was getting my associates degree, I was
> able to get bookshare for free.  Since the center isn't college, I
> believe you'd have to pay for bookshare.  The cost is $50 per year.
> Good luck with your training after high school.
> 
>> On 4/6/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi NABS Friends,
>> 
>>     As the subject line of this email implies, I have a question
>> regarding Bookshare, which I absolutely love using with my
>> braillenote apex. I've used Bookshare for a number of years, and
>> because I'm a student, my membership is free. This year, I'm
>> graduating high school and am heading off to exciting adventures
>> at LCB. Is the Bookshare membership still free for center
>> students, or do we pay for it? Any answers will be appreciated.
>> 
>> Yours,
>> Sophie
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com
> 
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From matt.dierckens at me.com  Tue Apr  7 19:22:00 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 07 Apr 2015 15:22:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about bookshare
In-Reply-To: <228EE532-45C4-4FE0-9BD4-0B0620E278DD@gmail.com>
References: <552347ec.8ee7420a.0248.121d@mx.google.com>
	<CADUoy9vsdb0gQVu1mnCMnQkkObV6z1hvO07Fu3id273C-mUT2Q@mail.gmail.com>
	<228EE532-45C4-4FE0-9BD4-0B0620E278DD@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC09759B-AC5B-4601-8A96-1C5EABFD02EB@me.com>

Tom and all,
When I was at the CCB in 2012-2013, I was able to get a free membership to Bookshare. Being Canadian, I was really impressed with the U.S. side of Bookshare.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Apr 7, 2015, at 00:47, Tom Brown via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I believe that your Bookshare membership can still be free. I believe that there is an option, when you are renewing, under your current type of  schooling, that would apply to training centers.
> Hope this helps
> Tom Brown 
> Pres. Pennsylvania Association of Blind Students 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 11:29 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Sophie.  Bookshare is free to any student whether you are in high
>> school, or college.  When I was getting my associates degree, I was
>> able to get bookshare for free.  Since the center isn't college, I
>> believe you'd have to pay for bookshare.  The cost is $50 per year.
>> Good luck with your training after high school.
>> 
>>> On 4/6/15, Sophie Trist via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi NABS Friends,
>>> 
>>>    As the subject line of this email implies, I have a question
>>> regarding Bookshare, which I absolutely love using with my
>>> braillenote apex. I've used Bookshare for a number of years, and
>>> because I'm a student, my membership is free. This year, I'm
>>> graduating high school and am heading off to exciting adventures
>>> at LCB. Is the Bookshare membership still free for center
>>> students, or do we pay for it? Any answers will be appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Yours,
>>> Sophie
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/louvins%40gmail.com
>> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  7 23:48:42 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Tue, 7 Apr 2015 19:48:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Seeking help from techies.
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fbes3jASPyGW97eynMh1wqgYLjfLna=16jQOYM167yf8Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

As the subject implies, I'm hoping someone who is more technologically
savvy than I can give some advice.  This is a first world problem for
sure, but it is still something I would like to see happen if at all
possible.

Here's at least what I think happened: I was in a hurry last week and
accidentally grabbed the wrong SD card.  I needed to record something
with my BookSense and usually do so on a card that is separate from
the card I use for all my school files.  I didn't think I was low on
space or that anything would be harmed by having the school card also
formatted to record with the BookSense in case I ever wanted to record
a lecture, so I allowed the card to be formatted and recorded what I
needed to record.

I just tried to access a folder of bookshare files I keep as a library
on the school card and can't find it at all.  Nothing else seems out
of place on the card, but the entire folder is gone.  I know it is
such a first world problem, especially since none of the files in this
particular folder are important for school or anything, but it would
still be nice to have the files back so I don't have to hunt them all
down on Bookshare again as my schedule frees up with the summer
months.

I know there is a possibility that if the data overwrite wasn't too
bad that I could get some or all of this folder back.  I did google
the problem but the directions I found weren't very clear.  Does
anyone know of reliable, clear, and useful resources I could use?  Or,
if someone would be willing to advise me on how to do this directly I
would also appreciate that.

Thanks,
A bummed booknerd.


From mabelin_r at hotmail.com  Wed Apr  8 12:27:58 2015
From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 08:27:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP121FE2A63E22DD47185FBC282FC0@phx.gbl>

Hello everyone, how do I scann a multi page document using KNFB reader. I am having problems lining up the paper with the camera. Yesterday I was able to scann a document with the help of my aide. I don't know how to properly line up the camera with the paper. How far apart to line up both the paper and the camera from each other. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this, if so let me know.


Sent from my iPhone

From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 13:16:54 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 09:16:54 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP121FE2A63E22DD47185FBC282FC0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU436-SMTP121FE2A63E22DD47185FBC282FC0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <19513E3D-3BBF-4781-8FFB-52FB44BE3C76@gmail.com>

The first thing that I will say is that it takes a lot of practice. What I do is to center the phone's camera, not the phone, over the middle of the page, then lift it straight up about 10 inches. Usually, if my elbows are resting comfortably on the table, although this may not be exactly 10 inches, if the phone is resting in the palm of my hands, it is at a good level. Next, use the field of view report button. This will allow you to hear what edges of the pager visible, and if your phone is tilted at all. When I am working with multipage documents, I always double tap the Batch mode button. Then, I carefully position each page, take a field of you report if I feel I need one, adjust, then take the picture. I repeat this for all of the pages of the document, then double tap the process multipage document. This will put all of the pages into one single window that will be read by the reader. I hope this helps.

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2015, at 8:27 AM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello everyone, how do I scann a multi page document using KNFB reader. I am having problems lining up the paper with the camera. Yesterday I was able to scann a document with the help of my aide. I don't know how to properly line up the camera with the paper. How far apart to line up both the paper and the camera from each other. Does anyone have any tips on how to do this, if so let me know.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From b.schulz at sbcglobal.net  Wed Apr  8 19:34:08 2015
From: b.schulz at sbcglobal.net (Bryan Schulz)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 14:34:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible hydrometer
Message-ID: <000001d07232$fc00b360$f4021a20$@sbcglobal.net>

Hi,
 
Would anyone know of a talking hydrometer?
Bryan
 
 
Bryan Schulz
b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
 

From violingirl30794 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 19:51:28 2015
From: violingirl30794 at gmail.com (Abigail Bolling)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 15:51:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1410BA86-8BFB-4F10-B9E8-0A3D7B84F5DB@gmail.com>

Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am waiting for DRO to return my call. 
Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it! 

Abigail Bolling 

Wright State University-2019: Social Work

"Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)

> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey,
>> 
>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>> That was so painful times for me.
>> 
>> 
>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>> Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>> 
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>> never
>>>>> 
>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>>>>> report all together.
>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>> case
>>>>> 
>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>> come
>>>>> 
>>>>> back.
>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>> not
>>>>> 
>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>> versions
>>>>> 
>>>>> of the template.
>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking
>>>>> my
>>>>> 
>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>> 
>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>> their
>>>>> 
>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>> I think not.
>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for
>>>>> a
>>>>> 
>>>>> reply there.
>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>> 
>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>> 
>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> nabs-l:
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>>>> 
>>>> 
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From louvins at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 21:06:32 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:06:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <1410BA86-8BFB-4F10-B9E8-0A3D7B84F5DB@gmail.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
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Hi Abigail.  Keep calling different people and see if you can get your
report in an accessible format.  It is completely rediculous that you
are required to fill out a monthly report that isn't in any kind of
accessible format.  It makes me wonder how important this report
really is.  I'd be thinking if this report were very important to your
case, that your counselor would have made sure to give you the report
form right away in some form so you could easily complete it.  I've
never had to fill out any kind of reports when I was in college, but
my counselor did meet me once a semester to see how I was doing, and I
did call periodically to let him know how my grades were and that sort
of thing.  Hope you can get your issue resolved.  It sounds like you
are doing all you can do since you are making calls to different
people.  Good luck.

On 4/8/15, Abigail Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be
> calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am
> waiting for DRO to return my call.
> Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it!
>
> Abigail Bolling
>
> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music
> play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my
>> best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>>> That was so painful times for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad,
>>>>> and
>>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy
>>>>> people
>>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>
>>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> report all together.
>>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>>> case
>>>>>>
>>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>>> come
>>>>>>
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of the template.
>>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>
>>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>>> I think not.
>>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> reply there.
>>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your
>>>>>> replys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>>
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Wed Apr  8 22:17:48 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Wed, 08 Apr 2015 18:17:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <1410BA86-8BFB-4F10-B9E8-0A3D7B84F5DB@gmail.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
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Message-ID: <D1BB0E7F-9868-4A5D-81C7-1AE269A267F2@icloud.com>

You should call Valerie Yingling at the NFB national center. She is the paralegal, and is very helpful. i hope that you keep us posted. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Abigail Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am waiting for DRO to return my call. 
> Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it! 
> 
> Abigail Bolling 
> 
> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
> 
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
> 
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hey,
>>> 
>>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>>> That was so painful times for me.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>>> Arielle
>>>> 
>>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
>>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
>>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>>> 
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>>> never
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>>>>>> report all together.
>>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>>> case
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>>> come
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> of the template.
>>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking
>>>>>> my
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>>> their
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>>> I think not.
>>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> reply there.
>>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>>>>> nabs-l:
>>>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/oliver.doug1%40gmail.com
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Apr  8 22:22:16 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 17:22:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
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Hello, the individual that you're speaking of is also a member of this group hopefully she will comment on this thread.
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> On Apr 8, 2015, at 5:17 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> You should call Valerie Yingling at the NFB national center. She is the paralegal, and is very helpful. i hope that you keep us posted. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 8, 2015, at 3:51 PM, Abigail Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am waiting for DRO to return my call. 
>> Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it! 
>> 
>> Abigail Bolling 
>> 
>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>> 
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey,
>>>> 
>>>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>>>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>>>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>>>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>>>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>>>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>>>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>>>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>>>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>>>> That was so painful times for me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, and
>>>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy people
>>>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in school.
>>>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about the
>>>>>>> report all together.
>>>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had to
>>>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version of
>>>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to this
>>>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> of the template.
>>>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is taking
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>>>> I think not.
>>>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> reply there.
>>>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your replys.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Apr  8 23:32:37 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 16:32:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] accessible hydrometer
In-Reply-To: <000001d07232$fc00b360$f4021a20$@sbcglobal.net>
References: <000001d07232$fc00b360$f4021a20$@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAbPky3Auw_p4QyHsDoYzRj-GMn9vY12M2ogHzw3za1Mg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Bryan, What's a hydrometer?
Arielle

On 4/8/15, Bryan Schulz via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Would anyone know of a talking hydrometer?
> Bryan
>
>
> Bryan Schulz
> b.schulz at sbcglobal.net
>
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 00:33:43 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Wed, 8 Apr 2015 17:33:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: Americorps VISTA Position at Otterbein University
References: <d76d57df-0ec5-4e78-941f-ac8582fefdf2@nylc.org>
Message-ID: <42B4C031-1293-4355-BC48-12267DCA0C4B@gmail.com>

Just passing along the following.  Seems like a real exciting opportunity.		

> Subject: Americorps VISTA Position at Otterbein University
> 
> *Please excuse the cross-postings*
> 
> Dear Friends, 
> Please pass along this announcement to your current seniors and recent graduates.  We would love to bring aboard a student with a deep commitment to social change and a desire to serve on a college campus. 
> 
> Otterbein University, a small liberal arts institution in beautiful Westerville, Ohio (a suburb of Columbus), will be hosting an Ohio Campus Compact AmeriCorps VISTA who will serve as a Community Outreach Coordinator for the Connect2Complete program.  
> 
> This is a full-time AmeriCorps VISTA position sponsored by Ohio Campus Compact. Working through our award-winning Center for Community Engagement, the VISTA will train a cohort of Peer Advocates to mentor students through barriers typically experienced by underserved college students by implementing an innovative program that incorporates community service as a retention strategy. 
> 
> The VISTA will also coordinate signature service events, work with service-learning faculty, and manage innovative service projects (including activities at the Otterbein Community Garden!) to alleviate poverty and food insecurity. 
> 
> Includes FREE HOUSING in a furnished one-bedroom apartment on campus in a residence hall (utilities included), a living allowance of $973/month (pre-tax), health benefits, relocation allowance, free parking pass, and a $5550 Education Award, or End-of-Service Stipend of $1500.
> 
> Please share the attached full job description with any interested students.  They should email a cover letter and resume to me, Melissa Gilbert at mgilbert at otterbein.edu <mailto:mgilbert at otterbein.edu> for consideration by Monday, April 16th (we may extend this deadline for qualified applicants).
> 
> Thanks for sharing this with your talented students! 
> 
> ~ Melissa  
> 
> 
> -- 
> 

Darian Smith
President, National Federation  of the Blind Community Service Division
dsmithnfb at gmail.com 
(415)215-9809
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Facebook: search for “NFB Community Service Division”.
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From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 04:41:42 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 00:41:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] a question about Bookshare
Message-ID: <CALEYb2v1rfGHw-3jKmOzaQrYD=HEdQ-L9pc2TeXMQR_h90USfA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sophie,
Bookshare will consider you a student if you are attending a training
center.  I am currently a student at CCB and heading to grad school
this fall, and I was able to sign up for a free membership with
Bookshare last summer before even starting my program at CCB because
they could confirm that I would soon be a student. Hope this helps,
and that you continue to enjoy Bookshare!

Sarah

-- 
Sarah K. Meyer


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:09:16 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 09:09:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E620EF3B-72AC-4E8C-9D31-6E0B17D04F9E@gmail.com>

Hi I'd like to write a story about my volunteer experiences ECF the semester

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> NABS needs your help! 
> 
> As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 
> 
> If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 
> 
> I look forward to reading your stories! 
> 
> Sarah Patnaude
> 
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:38:21 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 09:38:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
In-Reply-To: <CADUoy9vZ63OQnnzYBBj3DAawY_BOkNu2hh1uhGcx5uGA3nuVMg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com>
	<000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc>
	<CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
	<1410BA86-8BFB-4F10-B9E8-0A3D7B84F5DB@gmail.com>
	<CADUoy9vZ63OQnnzYBBj3DAawY_BOkNu2hh1uhGcx5uGA3nuVMg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <987AD0A3-2E05-4503-A7E9-34DB335EB0CA@gmail.com>

I have to meet with my counselor once a month as well we go through Holland doing and go through my grades

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 8, 2015, at 5:06 PM, Joshua Hendrickson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Abigail.  Keep calling different people and see if you can get your
> report in an accessible format.  It is completely rediculous that you
> are required to fill out a monthly report that isn't in any kind of
> accessible format.  It makes me wonder how important this report
> really is.  I'd be thinking if this report were very important to your
> case, that your counselor would have made sure to give you the report
> form right away in some form so you could easily complete it.  I've
> never had to fill out any kind of reports when I was in college, but
> my counselor did meet me once a semester to see how I was doing, and I
> did call periodically to let him know how my grades were and that sort
> of thing.  Hope you can get your issue resolved.  It sounds like you
> are doing all you can do since you are making calls to different
> people.  Good luck.
> 
>> On 4/8/15, Abigail Bolling via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be
>> calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am
>> waiting for DRO to return my call.
>> Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it!
>> 
>> Abigail Bolling
>> 
>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>> 
>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the music
>> play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>> 
>>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in my
>>> best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not alone.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hey,
>>>> 
>>>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>>>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>>>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>>>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>>>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>>>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>>>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>>>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>>>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>>>> That was so painful times for me.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>>>> Arielle
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad,
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy
>>>>>> people
>>>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in
>>>>>>> school.
>>>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>>>> never
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> report all together.
>>>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version
>>>>>>> of
>>>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>>>> case
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>>>> come
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> back.
>>>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to
>>>>>>> this
>>>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> of the template.
>>>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is
>>>>>>> taking
>>>>>>> my
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>>>> I think not.
>>>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting
>>>>>>> for
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> reply there.
>>>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your
>>>>>>> replys.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 13:43:20 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 09 Apr 2015 09:43:20 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Making the transition from elementary school to iddle
	school
Message-ID: <5526821c.f72b8c0a.35ad.69ac@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

As another school year comes to a close I'd like to discuss the 
transition from elementary to middle school.  When I was in 
elementary school my TVI transcribed my assignments so that my 
sighted teachers could read them.  This happened until the start 
of my eighth grade year when I received my first BrailleNote.  I 
was able to hand in my assignments along with my sighted peers 
which amazed them.  At the end of my fifth-dgrade year I visited 
the middle school so that I could learn the layout and meet my 
teachers.  They also held a meeting with my mom before school tbn 
to discuss my transition and the different approaches that they 
would use with me.  I'd like to hear about your transitions from 
elementary to middle school.


From osmond81 at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 16:07:44 2015
From: osmond81 at gmail.com (Osmond Kwan)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 09:07:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l]  Question about note taker
Message-ID: <CAHQh3+bsDSbiVXD2+rhWi5q8NLdTXCfU4iexSQWnc3woPFct_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,


Thanks,
Osmond


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Apr  9 17:04:08 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 13:04:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS needs your stories!
In-Reply-To: <E620EF3B-72AC-4E8C-9D31-6E0B17D04F9E@gmail.com>
References: <CD5D8562-654A-436F-8428-9091839CE0B9@yahoo.com>
	<E620EF3B-72AC-4E8C-9D31-6E0B17D04F9E@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <84FB83E2-8614-4CDD-9B56-F59509D6075D@gmail.com>

Rona,
	Great idea! I am looking forward to reading all of the stories presented by various NABS members in the upcoming blog posts.
Best,
Kathryn

Kathryn C. Webster
Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
Treasurer | Connecticut Association of Blind Students
Board Member | The Science and Engineering Division
(Coordinator | Connecticut BELL Program
Executive Editor | The Federationist Newsletter
203) 273-8463
kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com

On Apr 9, 2015, at 9:09 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi I'd like to write a story about my volunteer experiences ECF the semester
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2015, at 1:53 PM, Sarah Patnaude via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hey everyone,
>> 
>> NABS needs your help! 
>> 
>> As many of you know, we have a quarterly newsletter called The Student Slate. Recently, NABS has decided to change the quarterly editions into a blog, with the goal of updates approximately two or three times a month. But to do this, we need your stories! We want to hear about your experiences and/or struggles as a blind student,  activities or interests you are passionate about, any experience you would like to share,   NABS or NFB related stories, and so much more. We want to hear from you! 
>> 
>> If you have an article you would like to write, please email me, Sarah Patanude, at patnaude.sarah at yahoo.com. We are hoping to get the first blog post up in the next few weeks, but this is a continual project. So as you think of things, go on adventures, and navigate the journey of life, let us know! 
>> 
>> I look forward to reading your stories! 
>> 
>> Sarah Patnaude
>> 
>> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 00:59:50 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 9 Apr 2015 20:59:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about note taker
In-Reply-To: <CAHQh3+bsDSbiVXD2+rhWi5q8NLdTXCfU4iexSQWnc3woPFct_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHQh3+bsDSbiVXD2+rhWi5q8NLdTXCfU4iexSQWnc3woPFct_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005801d07329$a63ec7d0$f2bc5770$@gmail.com>

Osmond,

It appears that part of your email was cut off. We have the greeting and the
closing, but no body. What is your question?

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Osmond Kwan via
nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, April 09, 2015 12:08 PM
To: Roanna Bacchus; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about note taker

Hi All,


Thanks,
Osmond

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From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Apr 10 21:01:00 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 16:01:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [Mosen Consulting Announcement] Pre-order "Apple
 Watch Without Watching",
 the definitive guide to Apple Watch from a  Blindness Perspective
Message-ID: <auto-000021620742@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Hi everyone. I'm sure there are a few people up 
>at unusual hours right now, ordering an Apple Watch.
>
>Finally, it’s possible for blind people to join the smartwatch revolution.
>
>Apple Watch is an accessible and powerful iPhone 
>companion that brings information and 
>communication right to your wrist. And they say it even tells the time!
>
>Apple Watch ships from the factory with 
>VoiceOver, a screen reader that allows a blind 
>person to operate the watch fully and 
>independently. When VoiceOver is enabled, the 
>way Apple Watch works is a little different. The 
>way blind people may choose to use the watch may 
>be a little different too. That’s why I'm 
>writing “Apple Watch without Watching”, a 
>definitive book on using Apple Watch from a blindness perspective.
>
>It's a guide that’s clear, easy to understand, and a little bit fun too.
>
>We’ll guide you through taking your Apple 
>Watch out of its attractive packaging, powering 
>it up, and establishing the relationship between 
>your Apple Watch and your iPhone.
>
>We’ll take you through a thorough tour of 
>VoiceOver, how it can be activated via the Apple 
>Watch app or on the Apple Watch itself, and all 
>the settings you can configure to make it speak how you want.
>
>We’ll introduce you to Apple Watch gestures 
>for VoiceOver users, including working with both 
>the crown and the Touch screen to navigate. Of 
>course, we’ll also be exploring the exciting 
>new world of force touch, a feature making its 
>way into a range of Apple products.
>
>Other sections in “Apple Watch Without Watching” include:
>
>Expectations: Now that you have an Apple Watch, 
>how do you integrate it into your daily life? 
>We’ll look at charging, battery life 
>expectations, and when you’ll still want to 
>resort to pulling out your phone.
>
>The Apple Watch App: It may be easier when 
>getting started to do a lot of configuring via 
>the Apple Watch app on the iPhone you’re 
>already familiar with. We’ll take you on a 
>comprehensive tour of the app and all its settings.
>
>Apple Watch Settings: There is a lot you can 
>configure on your Apple Watch, we’ll take a 
>look at the settings, what they do, and what 
>configurations might be optimal for various situations.
>
>Haptic Feedback with the Taptic Engine: A whole 
>new generation of non-audible alerts has 
>arrived. Learn about how to adjust haptic 
>intensity, and how versatile this notification method really is.
>
>Notifications and glances: How to get just the 
>stuff that’s important to you sent right to your wrist.
>
>Communicating: How to use Siri, pre-configured 
>texts, or even your heartbeat to communicate.
>
>Watch your bank balance: It’s a snap to pay 
>for things at any outlet that accepts Apple Pay, all from your Apple Watch.
>
>The Best of Health: Learn how to track your 
>heart rate, how active you are, and much more 
>with the Activity and Workout apps, powerful 
>health and fitness functions of the Apple Watch.
>
>Maps: With your iPhone close at hand, Apple 
>Watch can guide you with a combination of spoken 
>instructions and haptic feedback. No need to be 
>distracted by spoken prompts when you’re listening for traffic.
>
>Third-Party apps: How these are loaded onto your 
>Apple Watch, what you can do with them, and accessibility considerations.
>
>Music: Apple Watch comes with 2GB of storage for 
>music, so you can hear a few of your favourite 
>tunes even if your iPhone is nearby. We’ll show you how to set this up.
>
>Controlling Other Apple Products: We’ll 
>explore how to control functions of your iPhone, 
>and even your Apple TV, right from your Apple Watch.
>
>Availability and Pricing
>
>It is our aim to have “Apple Watch Without 
>Watching” available by the end of May 2015. 
>This release date is subject to change, and if 
>you pre-order, we’ll notify you of any 
>significant delays. Additionally, the book may 
>receive minor revisions in the first few months 
>after release, as we all learn from real-world 
>use of Apple Watch. These updates will be free to all purchasers.
>
>The regular price of “Apple Watch Without 
>Watching” is $14.95. However, if you pre-order 
>before its release, it can be yours for just $9.95.
>
>You’ll receive a copy of the book in ePub, 
>Word, and accessible PDF, sent right to your email on release day.
>To order and for more information, please visit:
><http://mosen.org/index.php/apple-watch-without-watching-the-definitive-guide-to-apple-watch-from-a-blindness-perspective/>http://mosen.org/index.php/apple-watch-without-watching-the-definitive-guide-to-apple-watch-from-a-blindness-perspective/
>All the best.
>Jonathan
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         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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From oliver.doug1 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 10 21:56:55 2015
From: oliver.doug1 at gmail.com (Doug Oliver)
Date: Fri, 10 Apr 2015 15:56:55 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
References: <FCB7FB6C-5322-40CF-AE2F-4285BFCFB9C5@gmail.com><000d01d06d95$a44def30$0600a8c0@dougpc><CALAYQJBu6FShOvsND7cEQZ8uNL2oUdcbox5OoAi4w1WR=k=yRA@mail.gmail.com><CAMRf8a2M+777Wt8jGqnEYW5M+vRhdHT9JYa=iZAtRk1JZNPS=A@mail.gmail.com><86BF116D-C895-4D9E-A76F-672BF459A987@aol.com>
	<1410BA86-8BFB-4F10-B9E8-0A3D7B84F5DB@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <015b01d073d9$4b829190$0300a8c0@dougpc>

Abby,  please let me know off list how things are going with this.
Take care,
Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: "Bridget Walker" <bridgetawalker13 at aol.com>; "National Association of 
Blind Students mailing list" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Sent: Wednesday, April 8, 2015 1:51 PM
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements


> Thank you Bridget. and everyone else who has contributed. I am going to be 
> calling the supervisor and working my way up through the office while I am 
> waiting for DRO to return my call.
> Thanks again for your support! I apppreciate it!
>
> Abigail Bolling
>
> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>
> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the 
> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
>
>> On Apr 2, 2015, at 10:27 PM, Bridget Walker via nabs-l 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I could say many things about this topic. I do not think it would be in 
>> my best interest to do so. What I will say is, just know you are not 
>> alone.
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>>> On Apr 2, 27 Heisei, at 9:37 PM, zeynep sule yilmaz via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hey,
>>>
>>> That is not a good problem to have. I'm a rehabilitation counselor and
>>> I work at the Oklahoma DRS. I have to provide everything to my client
>>> in a preferred format. Large print, word or braille are options. Call
>>> the director. If it doesn't work, you can call client assistance
>>> program. They handle the cases when clients are not happy with their
>>> VR counselor. Please let me know, if you have any other questions. I
>>> can take a look at their policy, if it is accessible to public. But I
>>> don't think so. That is ridiculous to experience this. I was interning
>>> at a different VR agency and they failed to provide my accommodations.
>>> That was so painful times for me.
>>>
>>>
>>> 2015-04-02 20:11 GMT-05:00, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l 
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>>>> I wonder if you can just call up the director of the agency. In those
>>>> agencies it's often the case that one person doesn't know what the
>>>> other one did, and if your caseworker got sick, it's likely your
>>>> request just fell through the cracks. The director who is responsible
>>>> for the entire agency should be able to work out a solution with you.
>>>> Arielle
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/2/15, Doug Oliver via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> Abby,  I'd keep on the disabilities office of ohio, this is very bad, 
>>>>> and
>>>>> not a good thing.  I'm wondering if the ohio office has some lazyy 
>>>>> people
>>>>> that do not want to work on something properly?
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: "Abigail Bolling via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>> Sent: Thursday, April 2, 2015 12:28 PM
>>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] state rehab services requirements
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>> I have a problem I wanted to get some opinions on!
>>>>>> I am a client of Ohio's rehab services.
>>>>>> There is a monthly update report that I am required to complete every
>>>>>> month to give my case worker an update as to how I am doing in 
>>>>>> school.
>>>>>> I was told about this manditory report in August of 2014. But, I was
>>>>>> never
>>>>>>
>>>>>> given the report. due to pressing issues at school, I forgot about 
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> report all together.
>>>>>> A few months later, in December of 2014, I was told again that I had 
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> complete this report. I asked my counselor for  an accessible version 
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> the report template. I did not receive anything for a few weeks.
>>>>>> I sent emails and called the office of my counselor, but never got an
>>>>>> answer. Finally, on this past monday, I received an answer (after my
>>>>>> mother took it upon herself to call and complain.) I was told that my
>>>>>> case
>>>>>>
>>>>>> worker was on medical leave and didn't know when she would be able to
>>>>>> come
>>>>>>
>>>>>> back.
>>>>>> I was also given an image file of the report template. I replied to 
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> email by telling the substitute case worker telling her that this was
>>>>>> not
>>>>>>
>>>>>> accessible, or acceptable.
>>>>>> The reply I received was that they would have to mail me printed
>>>>>> versions
>>>>>>
>>>>>> of the template.
>>>>>> To me, this option is not acceptable. And the agency, I feel is 
>>>>>> taking
>>>>>> my
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ability for independence away from me.
>>>>>> What if I don't have a scanner? and am not able to scan in said
>>>>>> paperwork?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I could have my parents or roommate read it to me, but should it be
>>>>>> their
>>>>>>
>>>>>> responsibility to do that?
>>>>>> I think not.
>>>>>> But I want to know what you think.
>>>>>> I have a call in to Disability rights of Ohio already and am waiting 
>>>>>> for
>>>>>> a
>>>>>>
>>>>>> reply there.
>>>>>> Thank you all for your time and I look forward to reading your 
>>>>>> replys.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Abigail Bolling
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wright State University-2019: Social Work
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Keep a smile on your face and a song in your heart, and just let the
>>>>>> music play." (Julie Anderson Diamond)
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From christgirl813 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 22:35:14 2015
From: christgirl813 at gmail.com (Kayla James)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 17:35:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] joined the club
Message-ID: <000001d074a7$c93af8b0$5bb0ea10$@com>

Hi, my fellow Federationists, Kayla here. I can say that now because last
week. Dum-dum-dum Dah! I became one. Officially! Another step closer,
people!


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Apr 11 22:54:56 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 18:54:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] joined the club
In-Reply-To: <000001d074a7$c93af8b0$5bb0ea10$@com>
References: <000001d074a7$c93af8b0$5bb0ea10$@com>
Message-ID: <EDC4AAB5-A1E4-4A15-B758-087BC33B256E@gmail.com>

Congratulations, Kayla! Welcome to our family!

Chris Nusbaum

> On Apr 11, 2015, at 6:35 PM, Kayla James via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, my fellow Federationists, Kayla here. I can say that now because last
> week. Dum-dum-dum Dah! I became one. Officially! Another step closer,
> people!
> 
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From jordyn2493 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 01:04:30 2015
From: jordyn2493 at gmail.com (Jordyn Castor)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 21:04:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking Devices
Message-ID: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>

Hey All,

I hope you are all doing well.

I have been using a PAC Mate to take notes, read books, and write math equations in Braille for seven years. Recently, my PAC Mate has just stopped working. I realize PAC Mate devices are super old, so rather than getting it fixed, I am looking for either a new Braille Notetaker, or a Braille Display. I am a very tech savvy person, but am also one of those people who likes to stick to what they know and what works, which explains my use of ancient technology for years and years. :) So, as students and/or young college grads with your first full time job offer, what are your thoughts on purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Notetakers? I love the portability and convenience of having a notetaker, as you can just turn it on and take notes in less than thirty seconds. The disadvantages  for me to having a Braille display and a laptop or mobile device are the time required to pair the two devices, as well as the varying amounts of Braille support in the different screen readers and operating systems. However, I realize that laptop/mobile devices are more widely used and compatible with more software/hardware than what comes builtin to most notetakers. Just my current thoughts... lol

I am thinking of either going with the VarioUltra, or the BrailleSense U2. Anyone who has and/or has used these devices, your opinions of them would be fantastic, and anyone who has any general advice to give me, that would be great as well.

Thanks,
Jordyn

From louvins at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 02:04:59 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 21:04:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
In-Reply-To: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
References: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9s-X=mqQp7W1c_jMw4cNrPcft0ebJ98jkcwt4VU3dBCDg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Jordan.  When I was getting my associates degree, I used a pacmate
a little to use the calculator during math tests.  I sold it a few
months ago since I never used it.  I would go with a braille-sense U2
as a notetaker.  I'm on a braille note users list and I've also read
several articles online comparing the U2 with the braille-note apex,
and all the info I cold find says the u2 is better.  The U2 is being
updated much more frequently then the apex, and certain programs like
using the u2 for emaling is better then the apex.  The u2 also has
things like a dropbox program which might make it easy to get teachers
your assignments.  Good luck on your decision.
Always do research when making such a big step in purchasing assistive
technology.  I learned that the hard way.

On 4/11/15, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey All,
>
> I hope you are all doing well.
>
> I have been using a PAC Mate to take notes, read books, and write math
> equations in Braille for seven years. Recently, my PAC Mate has just stopped
> working. I realize PAC Mate devices are super old, so rather than getting it
> fixed, I am looking for either a new Braille Notetaker, or a Braille
> Display. I am a very tech savvy person, but am also one of those people who
> likes to stick to what they know and what works, which explains my use of
> ancient technology for years and years. :) So, as students and/or young
> college grads with your first full time job offer, what are your thoughts on
> purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Notetakers? I love the portability
> and convenience of having a notetaker, as you can just turn it on and take
> notes in less than thirty seconds. The disadvantages  for me to having a
> Braille display and a laptop or mobile device are the time required to pair
> the two devices, as well as the varying amounts of Braille support in the
> different screen readers and operating systems. However, I realize that
> laptop/mobile devices are more widely used and compatible with more
> software/hardware than what comes builtin to most notetakers. Just my
> current thoughts... lol
>
> I am thinking of either going with the VarioUltra, or the BrailleSense U2.
> Anyone who has and/or has used these devices, your opinions of them would be
> fantastic, and anyone who has any general advice to give me, that would be
> great as well.
>
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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From theweird1 at mediacombb.net  Sun Apr 12 02:03:13 2015
From: theweird1 at mediacombb.net (Loren Wakefield)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 21:03:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
In-Reply-To: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
References: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003701d074c4$d5ba1ae0$812e50a0$@mediacombb.net>

I currently have a braille edge from himms.  It is a braille display that
works via Bluetooth or wire.  It does pair with the I devices.  The
attractive thing to me is it also has a simple notetaker function and a few
other simple apps including their version of a planner.  It goes for around
2800 I believe.  

Anyway, you might explore that and see what you think.  

Loren Wakefield



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordyn Castor
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 8:04 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
Devices

Hey All,

I hope you are all doing well.

I have been using a PAC Mate to take notes, read books, and write math
equations in Braille for seven years. Recently, my PAC Mate has just stopped
working. I realize PAC Mate devices are super old, so rather than getting it
fixed, I am looking for either a new Braille Notetaker, or a Braille
Display. I am a very tech savvy person, but am also one of those people who
likes to stick to what they know and what works, which explains my use of
ancient technology for years and years. :) So, as students and/or young
college grads with your first full time job offer, what are your thoughts on
purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Notetakers? I love the portability
and convenience of having a notetaker, as you can just turn it on and take
notes in less than thirty seconds. The disadvantages  for me to having a
Braille display and a laptop or mobile device are the time required to pair
the two devices, as well as the varying amounts of Braille support in the
different screen readers and operating systems. However, I realize that
laptop/mobile devices are more widely used and compatible with more
software/hardware than what comes builtin to most notetakers. Just my
current thoughts... lol

I am thinking of either going with the VarioUltra, or the BrailleSense U2.
Anyone who has and/or has used these devices, your opinions of them would be
fantastic, and anyone who has any general advice to give me, that would be
great as well.

Thanks,
Jordyn
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sun Apr 12 02:22:41 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sat, 11 Apr 2015 22:22:41 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
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Hi Jordyn,
I used a PACmate from the time I was in seventh grade until the middle of my second year of college. Now I use a braille display. I made the choice to do away with all forms of braille note takers because I wanted full compatibility without any extra steps. I pare the Bluetooth of my braille displays with my chosen device. I use a tablet and a laptop. I switch between the devices depending on the task.
I am a senior in college just getting ready to student teach. I am always looking for the best way to have access to the same material as my peers, professors, and students.  
I hope this helps
Bridget 

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 11, 27 Heisei, at 9:04 PM, Jordyn Castor via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey All,
> 
> I hope you are all doing well.
> 
> I have been using a PAC Mate to take notes, read books, and write math equations in Braille for seven years. Recently, my PAC Mate has just stopped working. I realize PAC Mate devices are super old, so rather than getting it fixed, I am looking for either a new Braille Notetaker, or a Braille Display. I am a very tech savvy person, but am also one of those people who likes to stick to what they know and what works, which explains my use of ancient technology for years and years. :) So, as students and/or young college grads with your first full time job offer, what are your thoughts on purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Notetakers? I love the portability and convenience of having a notetaker, as you can just turn it on and take notes in less than thirty seconds. The disadvantages  for me to having a Braille display and a laptop or mobile device are the time required to pair the two devices, as well as the varying amounts of Braille support in the different screen readers
>  and operating systems. However, I realize that laptop/mobile devices are more widely used and compatible with more software/hardware than what comes builtin to most notetakers. Just my current thoughts... lol
> 
> I am thinking of either going with the VarioUltra, or the BrailleSense U2. Anyone who has and/or has used these devices, your opinions of them would be fantastic, and anyone who has any general advice to give me, that would be great as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> Jordyn
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:41:47 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:41:47 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
Message-ID: <552acaa4.8428370a.1e04.2ad7@mx.google.com>

Hi Jordan hope ys are going well.  I use a BrailleNote Apex to 
take notes and complete homework assignments.  My Apex is someffs 
paired with my IPad depending on the task.  I also use my 
computer to watch videos on different web sites.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 19:41:44 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 15:41:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] joined the club
Message-ID: <552acaa1.8428370a.1e04.2ad4@mx.google.com>

Hi Kayla welcome to the list.  Congratulations on becoming a 
member of the Nfb.


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Sun Apr 12 20:00:42 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 16:00:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
 Devices
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References: <552acaa4.8428370a.1e04.2ad7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <E6947A46-13BD-40B7-A2B7-22895DF1B30D@me.com>

Hello,
When I started using note taking devices, I started with a Braille Lite two thousand from 2000-2005.
I then transitioned to a Braille Note mPower from 2005-2011.
Now, when I entered college, I had a choice to make. Either get another note taker, or try a braille display.
I had received an iPhone that same year and decided to try a braille display. I'll tell you now that I own a mac, iPad and iPhone I think I made the best decision. Do I think notetakers have a place? They can. If you really are looking for a notetaker and braille display, then I would suggest getting the Braille Edge from Hyms. It is a Braille display and has some note taking capabilities.
It all comes down to personal choice. I chose a braille display because it's easier for me to just pair via bluetooth or use USB with my devices, than to use flash drives or SD cards.
Good luck.
God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Apr 12, 2015, at 15:41, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Jordan hope ys are going well.  I use a BrailleNote Apex to take notes and complete homework assignments.  My Apex is someffs paired with my IPad depending on the task.  I also use my computer to watch videos on different web sites.
> 
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 12 23:27:42 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 19:27:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
In-Reply-To: <E6947A46-13BD-40B7-A2B7-22895DF1B30D@me.com>
References: <552acaa4.8428370a.1e04.2ad7@mx.google.com>
	<E6947A46-13BD-40B7-A2B7-22895DF1B30D@me.com>
Message-ID: <3372F2E3-FFC4-4E8B-955A-7BB50345ACA8@hotmail.com>

Hello there, my name is Mabelin, I currently use a braille note Apex, I'm a high school graduate.
I would figure out what best suites you, if you're looking for a good braille display, try any of the suggestions that have already been given, or try the focus from Freedom scientific.
Have a wonderful day.




From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 00:55:16 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 12 Apr 2015 20:55:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
	Devices
In-Reply-To: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
References: <4AF99BEC-D383-4539-BB18-ED9EE668BF18@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001f01d07584$82483ed0$86d8bc70$@gmail.com>

Jordyn,

I have used various models of the BrailleNote for most of my school career.
However, I have recently found that the Apex has become more unreliable and
buggy with each passing update. As you may know, even the Apex runs Windows
CE 6.0, an operating system which was discontinued with the release of
Windows XP in 2001. For this reason, files often became corrupt for no
apparent reason and the unit had to be reset very frequently.

Back in February I finally decided I had had enough and began doing research
on alternatives. I found that most of the features I was using on my
notetaker would be available to me on a Braille display, whether on the unit
alone or while connected to my iPhone. Therefore, I decided to go the
Braille display route, requesting a Braille Edge from my school district. I
chose the Edge because it has some basic notetaking capabilities built in,
though it functions primarily as an input/output device for an iOS device or
a PC. Though still a Braille display, it has a built-in notepad, calculator,
alarm, clock, stopwatch, countdown timer, and scheduler. These were the only
features I was using on my BrailleNote anyway, so I didn't see much sense in
having my school district pay extra for a BrailleSense just because it has
features I probably wouldn't use. Last week I received my BrailleEdge, and
am loving it thus far. I use the notepad to take short notes for myself, but
my schoolwork is done primarily with the Microsoft Word iPhone app. All
other needs are mostly covered by the various iPhone apps I can use while
paired with my Braille Edge.

As others have said, it all comes down to personal preference. I prefer
wordprocessing on my iPhone or PC, largely because it is simply more
reliable. This involves a learning curve, however, as I had to learn how to
use the Word app. If you are looking for a display with some simple
notetaking features, I would recommend the Braille Edge highly. If you want
a fully-functioning notetaker, the BrailleSense is a great choice. Please
let me know if you have any questions about the Edge.

Hope this helps,

Chris

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jordyn Castor
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 11, 2015 9:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Note taking
Devices

Hey All,

I hope you are all doing well.

I have been using a PAC Mate to take notes, read books, and write math
equations in Braille for seven years. Recently, my PAC Mate has just stopped
working. I realize PAC Mate devices are super old, so rather than getting it
fixed, I am looking for either a new Braille Notetaker, or a Braille
Display. I am a very tech savvy person, but am also one of those people who
likes to stick to what they know and what works, which explains my use of
ancient technology for years and years. :) So, as students and/or young
college grads with your first full time job offer, what are your thoughts on
purchasing Braille Displays VS. Braille Notetakers? I love the portability
and convenience of having a notetaker, as you can just turn it on and take
notes in less than thirty seconds. The disadvantages  for me to having a
Braille display and a laptop or mobile device are the time required to pair
the two devices, as well as the varying amounts of Braille support in the
different screen readers and operating systems. However, I realize that
laptop/mobile devices are more widely used and compatible with more
software/hardware than what comes builtin to most notetakers. Just my
current thoughts... lol

I am thinking of either going with the VarioUltra, or the BrailleSense U2.
Anyone who has and/or has used these devices, your opinions of them would be
fantastic, and anyone who has any general advice to give me, that would be
great as well.

Thanks,
Jordyn
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 04:49:25 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 00:49:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I've recently started wondering how those of you who shop
independently get your coupons.  Though I've heard of apps and sites
like Groupon I know nothing about the accessibility.  I do have an
IPhone so I would be interested particularly in apps and reviews of
their accessibility, but if you have strategies for obtaining paper
coupons without constantly using sighted assistance that would also be
helpful.  I do not currently have it, but I plan to get the KNFB
reading app once the price drops a bit.  Unfortunately that is not an
option for me now, but if you use the app and think it suits this
purpose I'd be happpy to hear that as well.

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 11:08:00 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:08:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
Message-ID: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>

Hello All,

As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched my notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 40. I'm loving it so far, but I'm running into one annoying problem.

 I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word format from the publisher. Each chapter is in a separate Word file within a larger folder which I currently have saved on an SD card. It appears that even a single chapter is too large to open in the Braille Edge's notepad. The Edge gets stuck at 0 percent and requires a reset to get unfrozen. I made due by opening one of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I think the material would be read much more easily with Braille. So, for any students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, how do you access large files such as textbooks with your Braille display? Perhaps there's a way to do this that I don't know yet. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum

From louvins at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 12:33:47 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:33:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
In-Reply-To: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
References: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9tF0poqhsj26aBASUjG52Bqc2wDAGkykjrBYThTHgEEaw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chris.  I don't have a braille display, but why couldn't you just
hook up the braille edge to your computer, and open the document on
your computer and read it with your display.  I know the braille edge
can be used with a computer.  Good luck.

On 4/13/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched my
> notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 40. I'm loving
> it so far, but I'm running into one annoying problem.
>
>  I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word format from
> the publisher. Each chapter is in a separate Word file within a larger
> folder which I currently have saved on an SD card. It appears that even a
> single chapter is too large to open in the Braille Edge's notepad. The Edge
> gets stuck at 0 percent and requires a reset to get unfrozen. I made due by
> opening one of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I
> think the material would be read much more easily with Braille. So, for any
> students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, how do you access
> large files such as textbooks with your Braille display? Perhaps there's a
> way to do this that I don't know yet. Thanks in advance for any help you can
> provide.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Chris Nusbaum
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From mabelin_r at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 13 15:19:37 2015
From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:19:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP1762C2CE2AE4A51DB0E13782E70@phx.gbl>


 I don't know how to help you.
Send me an email off list and tell me what you're trying to figure out.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 00:49, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I've recently started wondering how those of you who shop
> independently get your coupons.  Though I've heard of apps and sites
> like Groupon I know nothing about the accessibility.  I do have an
> IPhone so I would be interested particularly in apps and reviews of
> their accessibility, but if you have strategies for obtaining paper
> coupons without constantly using sighted assistance that would also be
> helpful.  I do not currently have it, but I plan to get the KNFB
> reading app once the price drops a bit.  Unfortunately that is not an
> option for me now, but if you use the app and think it suits this
> purpose I'd be happpy to hear that as well.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti
> 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 13 15:21:49 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:21:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS2623D52ACBCBD5FA20A85B0BAE70@phx.gbl>

Hello Kaiti,

If I recall correctly from one of your earlier posts about grocery shopping,
I believe you mentioned that Droger was one of the grocery stores in your
local area. Recently they have been airing commercials about a new IPhone
app that connects to their online coupon system. Perhaps you may wish to
check this out to see if it may meet your needs. Other grocery stores may
have online coupon systems as well, and I would encourage you to see what
may be available in your local area. I generally do not use coupons when
grocery shopping, so I cannot speak about how accessible any of these online
coupon systems may be.

I hope this information helps you find a coupon system that works best for
you.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

 




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:49 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips

Hi all,

I've recently started wondering how those of you who shop independently get
your coupons.  Though I've heard of apps and sites like Groupon I know
nothing about the accessibility.  I do have an IPhone so I would be
interested particularly in apps and reviews of their accessibility, but if
you have strategies for obtaining paper coupons without constantly using
sighted assistance that would also be helpful.  I do not currently have it,
but I plan to get the KNFB reading app once the price drops a bit.
Unfortunately that is not an option for me now, but if you use the app and
think it suits this purpose I'd be happpy to hear that as well.

Thanks,

--
Kaiti

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From aloshamoore at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 15:36:22 2015
From: aloshamoore at gmail.com (Alosha Moore)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 10:36:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
In-Reply-To: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
References: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <18E87E71-7EA9-4C8E-A503-E742230FFF66@gmail.com>

Hi Chris:
I currently use the braille note apex to read law school books. You are correct about the  size issue. The best method that has worked for me is to chop the books into five mega bite sized pieces and upload them to the apex that way. Hope this helps.
Best, Alosha. 

Sent from my iPhone.

> On Apr 13, 2015, at 6:08 AM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched my notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 40. I'm loving it so far, but I'm running into one annoying problem.
> 
> I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word format from the publisher. Each chapter is in a separate Word file within a larger folder which I currently have saved on an SD card. It appears that even a single chapter is too large to open in the Braille Edge's notepad. The Edge gets stuck at 0 percent and requires a reset to get unfrozen. I made due by opening one of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I think the material would be read much more easily with Braille. So, for any students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, how do you access large files such as textbooks with your Braille display? Perhaps there's a way to do this that I don't know yet. Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Apr 13 15:39:22 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 11:39:22 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
In-Reply-To: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
References: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS31431BB8F0AAD40731786FBAE70@phx.gbl>

Hello Chris,

Are you able to open other Word files on your Braille Edge? I am not
familiar with this particular device, so I thought I would ask this question
to see whether or not this may be the problem. Perhaps if you converted the
files into a plain text format or rich text format it may allow you to open
these files with your Braille Edge. Again, I am not familiar with this
particular device, but you may wish to see if converting to a different file
type may solve your problem before resorting to reading the files on your
computer. Although, if you need to use your computer to read these files,
perhaps you may wish to connect your Braille Edge to your computer so you
can still read these files in Braille.

Anyway, I hope you are able to find a solution to your problem.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 7:08 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users

Hello All,

As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched my
notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 40. I'm loving
it so far, but I'm running into one annoying problem.

 I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word format from
the publisher. Each chapter is in a separate Word file within a larger
folder which I currently have saved on an SD card. It appears that even a
single chapter is too large to open in the Braille Edge's notepad. The Edge
gets stuck at 0 percent and requires a reset to get unfrozen. I made due by
opening one of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I
think the material would be read much more easily with Braille. So, for any
students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, how do you access
large files such as textbooks with your Braille display? Perhaps there's a
way to do this that I don't know yet. Thanks in advance for any help you can
provide.

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum
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From shawnabraham21 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 17:48:57 2015
From: shawnabraham21 at gmail.com (Shawn Abraham)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:48:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
Message-ID: <552c019c.0a848c0a.2db0.ffffd614@mx.google.com>

Hey Chris,
I don't use a Braille Edge, but I had a similar problem last 
year, so I might have an idea.
First you could send the textbook from your computer (via 
Dropbox, etc) to your i'phone.  From there, there are probably a 
bunch of apps to open huge files, which you could connect and 
read from your braille display.  You might be able to put all the 
chapters into one file and do this, but it would be hard to 
navigate.
Hope this helps
 ----- Original Message -----
From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 07:08:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users

Hello All,

As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched 
my notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 
40.  I'm loving it so far, but I'm running into one annoying 
problem.

 I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word 
format from the publisher.  Each chapter is in a separate Word 
file within a larger folder which I currently have saved on an SD 
card.  It appears that even a single chapter is too large to open 
in the Braille Edge's notepad.  The Edge gets stuck at 0 percent 
and requires a reset to get unfrozen.  I made due by opening one 
of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I 
think the material would be read much more easily with Braille.  
So, for any students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, 
how do you access large files such as textbooks with your Braille 
display? Perhaps there's a way to do this that I don't know yet.  
Thanks in advance for any help you can provide.

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 17:56:42 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 13:56:42 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
In-Reply-To: <552c019c.0a848c0a.2db0.ffffd614@mx.google.com>
References: <552c019c.0a848c0a.2db0.ffffd614@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D64EBE44-EF94-4A3E-A28D-F839CA600A54@hotmail.com>

Hi Chris, what you could also do is split the textbook into groups of pages and then in each group of pages put them in  a document each  separately. Or also follow the other suggestions that have given.
I've never experienced this kind  of problem so I don't know.



From dwebster125 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 22:39:01 2015
From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (Dave Webster)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 15:39:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS31431BB8F0AAD40731786FBAE70@phx.gbl>
References: <FC788FD6-8A67-4173-BBE2-883C75603ED8@gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS31431BB8F0AAD40731786FBAE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <018801d0763a$a4173730$ec45a590$@gmail.com>

HI.  I have a braille edge and I haven't had a single problem opening large
files.  My braille edge does just fine.

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Elizabeth
Mohnke via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 8:39 AM
To: 'Chris Nusbaum'; 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users

Hello Chris,

Are you able to open other Word files on your Braille Edge? I am not
familiar with this particular device, so I thought I would ask this question
to see whether or not this may be the problem. Perhaps if you converted the
files into a plain text format or rich text format it may allow you to open
these files with your Braille Edge. Again, I am not familiar with this
particular device, but you may wish to see if converting to a different file
type may solve your problem before resorting to reading the files on your
computer. Although, if you need to use your computer to read these files,
perhaps you may wish to connect your Braille Edge to your computer so you
can still read these files in Braille.

Anyway, I hope you are able to find a solution to your problem.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Chris Nusbaum
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 7:08 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users

Hello All,

As I mentioned in an earlier post to this list, I have switched my
notetaking device from a BrailleNote Apex to a Braille Edge 40. I'm loving
it so far, but I'm running into one annoying problem.

 I have a copy of a textbook which I obtained in Microsoft Word format from
the publisher. Each chapter is in a separate Word file within a larger
folder which I currently have saved on an SD card. It appears that even a
single chapter is too large to open in the Braille Edge's notepad. The Edge
gets stuck at 0 percent and requires a reset to get unfrozen. I made due by
opening one of the chapters on my computer and using JAWS to read it, but I
think the material would be read much more easily with Braille. So, for any
students who use a Braille Edge or a similar display, how do you access
large files such as textbooks with your Braille display? Perhaps there's a
way to do this that I don't know yet. Thanks in advance for any help you can
provide.

Thanks,

Chris Nusbaum
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 13 23:37:49 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 19:37:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Support the Ohio BELL Program,
 and enter for a chance to win one of 15 prizes!
Message-ID: <CAFja7Faru+tkyCr_81Yks7MCZakDQZG2xjqVter=GbwkTfqWgw@mail.gmail.com>

Fellow Federationists,

The Ohio Association of Blind Students is proud to sponsor its second
raffle fundraiser.  Unlike last year's affiliate-based project, this
fundraiser will be bigger and better in the spirit of the 75th
Convention.  From May 1st through July 14th (that's 75 days) you can
support the cause by participating in the following ways:
* Use PayPal to make your purchase online.
* Send a check made out to the Ohio Association of Blind Students.
Address information will be sent out in a subsequent email closer to
the May 1st start date.
* Pay in cash in-person at the convention in Orlando.

Those who purchase tickets through PayPal or by check will receive an
email with payment confirmation and the numbers for your tickets.  If
you purchase tickets in-person at convention you will receive a
tangible braille ticket.  All tickets, electronic and brailled, will
cost $1 for 1 or $5 for 6.  Winners will be announced over the NFB
list serves and will be contacted by phone or email on July 15th.  As
the winners will be announced after convention there are no rules
about being present to win.  All you need to do is buy a ticket.

We hope you will take a chance on one of our fantastic gift card
prizes to major franchises like Amazon, ITunes, and Starbucks to
support OABS and the Ohio BELL Program.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to email me at
Kaiti.shelton at gmail.com.  Thank you.
  --
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton, Music Therapy.
Ohio Association of Blind Students, President.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 00:14:44 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:14:44 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Question for Braille Display Users
Message-ID: <552c5c21.b51f8c0a.412e.1f1d@mx.google.com>

Hi Chris I usually put the thumb drive with my textbooks on it 
into the port on my Apex.  I keep all of my class notes in 
separate folders on my Sd card.


From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 00:39:50 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 20:39:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS2623D52ACBCBD5FA20A85B0BAE70@phx.gbl>
References: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
	<COL401-EAS2623D52ACBCBD5FA20A85B0BAE70@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e6OD1F6W+4rtJ6vknwFqvvwGU5QjTLUyK0mwcTKa=wZ0w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Kaiti,

did you receive my e-mail in response to this message? I did not want the
entire e-mail on the listserve.


James Hulme.
jim.hulme at gmail.com

On Mon, Apr 13, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello Kaiti,
>
> If I recall correctly from one of your earlier posts about grocery
> shopping,
> I believe you mentioned that Droger was one of the grocery stores in your
> local area. Recently they have been airing commercials about a new IPhone
> app that connects to their online coupon system. Perhaps you may wish to
> check this out to see if it may meet your needs. Other grocery stores may
> have online coupon systems as well, and I would encourage you to see what
> may be available in your local area. I generally do not use coupons when
> grocery shopping, so I cannot speak about how accessible any of these
> online
> coupon systems may be.
>
> I hope this information helps you find a coupon system that works best for
> you.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, April 13, 2015 12:49 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
>
> Hi all,
>
> I've recently started wondering how those of you who shop independently get
> your coupons.  Though I've heard of apps and sites like Groupon I know
> nothing about the accessibility.  I do have an IPhone so I would be
> interested particularly in apps and reviews of their accessibility, but if
> you have strategies for obtaining paper coupons without constantly using
> sighted assistance that would also be helpful.  I do not currently have it,
> but I plan to get the KNFB reading app once the price drops a bit.
> Unfortunately that is not an option for me now, but if you use the app and
> think it suits this purpose I'd be happpy to hear that as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 02:03:59 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2015 22:03:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Couponing tips
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZazGmAPQnr4tZ3epyHwRb+YWdn19gKAR8e90b=En84ng@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gY7zfyxeruFDigGe49ec-8EFMNXMsm_TPBHh5CsRhznQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kaiti,

I don't really do any grocery shopping since I live in a dorm on my
college campus, but I have used a few different coupon related apps
for myself and my mom when I am home for breaks. You mentioned Groupon
and I can't recommend the service enough. The app is extremely
accessible and you can buy groupons straight from the app and whenever
you want to use the voucher, you simply show the groupon to the
vendor. No more hassle dealing with paper. I've used it to buy
activity deals for myself and friends and it's a great money saver for
us college students.

I love shopping for clothes, shoes and such and a really cool app I
have is Retail Me Not which tells me of sales and deals that are going
on in stores around me if I am at a shopping mall. You can also
favorite certain stores and browse their deals before you shop. I will
do this if I want to plan out which stores I want to visit while at
the mall. One last app that comes to mind is Saving Star. I haven't
used this app extensively, but from what I saw, it is fairly
accessible and it shows coupons for grocery items that you can clip
and save in the app and then show to the casheer at check out. The
only complication I can think of is if you have multiple coupons, it
might be inconvenient and time consuming to show all the different
coupons that you have saved. Hopefully you can figure out a system to
make couponing more efficient.

Happy shopping,
Minh

On 4/13/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I've recently started wondering how those of you who shop
> independently get your coupons.  Though I've heard of apps and sites
> like Groupon I know nothing about the accessibility.  I do have an
> IPhone so I would be interested particularly in apps and reviews of
> their accessibility, but if you have strategies for obtaining paper
> coupons without constantly using sighted assistance that would also be
> helpful.  I do not currently have it, but I plan to get the KNFB
> reading app once the price drops a bit.  Unfortunately that is not an
> option for me now, but if you use the app and think it suits this
> purpose I'd be happpy to hear that as well.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti
>
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recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Apr 14 15:52:37 2015
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:52:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Find Your Fit Sports and Rec Seminar
In-Reply-To: <D1528F2E.1D48C%jbeecham@cocenter.org>
References: <D1528F2E.1D48C%jbeecham@cocenter.org>
Message-ID: <01cd01d076cb$08cbb170$1a631450$@labarrelaw.com>

Please spread this around as appropriate.  We would love to have you all in
Colorado for this excellent seminar.

 

Best,

Scott LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

From: Jessica Beecham [mailto:jbeecham at cocenter.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 9:33 AM
To: User
Subject: Find Your Fit Sports and Rec Seminar

 

Sign up today for the first ever National Federation of the Blind of
Colorado Sports and Recreation Division and WE Fit Wellness Find Your Fit
Seminar! We have a fun packed agenda with something cool for EVERYONE! Pre
registration is only $15!

 

Whether you want to know more about exercise, competitive sports, or active
things to do for fun; our full day, high energy, interactive seminar will
help you find your fit. From low impact to full throttle we have recreation
and exercise solutions that are accessible, affordable, and achievable. Less
talk and more action! Come ready to play. We also have a track for parents
and educators that addresses tips and tricks for getting kids moving as well
as ways to make sure they are included in main stream physical education!

 

.      Goalball

.      Dance

.      Yoga

.      Guide walk/run

.      Full Body Anywhere Any Time Workout

.      Self Defense

.      Tandem Cycling

.      At home exercise tools

.      Beep Ball

 

You can try it all! Each participant will also receive complimentary,
healthy, and tasty breakfast, lunch, and snacks as well as a take home tool
kit which includes healthy recipes, ready made workouts, tips and tricks for
staying healthy, and a guide to healthy options on the go: best fast food
choices. No matter your age or ability level, you will leave with the
confidence and practical tools that will help you live the life you want
through exercise and physical activity. Registration is $15 in advance or
$20 at the door. Register online at
<http://www.wefitwellness.com/services/findyourfit>
www.wefitwellness.com/services/findyourfit. For more information, or for
assistance registering, please contact Cheryl Gross at
<mailto:cheryl at wefitwellness.com> cheryl at wefitwellness.com or call
866-543-6808 x 10. We welcome our friends from across Colorado and the
nation. We have a hotel block at a rate of $99 at the Hampden Inn and Suites
Denver/Highlands Ranch, 3095 W. County Line Rd, Highlands Ranch, CO 80129.
Make your reservation by calling 303-794-1800.

 

About WE Fit Wellness:

 

There are barriers that make exercise and good nutrition seem unattainable
for people with disabilities. WE Fit Wellness is committed to offering
Accessible, Affordable, and Achievable solutions to make exercise and better
nutrition the right fit for everyone. WE Fit Wellness is excited to work
with the National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Division to
host Find Your Fit!

 

About National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and Recreation
Division:

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and Recreation
Division is a division of the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado.
We know that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your
choices in physical activity and recreation. Every day we raise expectations
of blind people because we know that low expectations lead to barriers
between us and our future health and happiness. You can live the life you
want. Blindness is not what holds you back.

 

Find Your Fit

Presented by:

National Federation of the Blind of CO Sports and Recreation Division

and

WE Fit Wellness

 

May 9, 2015

8:00am-4:00pm

Colorado Center for the Blind

2233 W. Shepperd Ave.

Littleton, CO 80120

 

***NOTE: If not otherwise specified, parents and educators will join the
rest of the group for activities.

 

8:00-8:45am                         Registration

 

8:45-9:00am                         Opening Remarks

                                                Maureen Nietfeld

President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and
Recreation Division

 

9:00-9:20am                         A Word from our National President

                                                Lisamaria Martinez

President, National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Division

 

9:20-10:00am                       My Fitness Myself

                                                Maureen Nietfeld


Steve Patton

                                                Brittany Savage

                                               

10:10-11:10am                    Breakout Session 1

                                                Goalball

                                                Yoga

                                                Dance

                                                Full Body Any Time Workout

Parent and Educators Track: Teaching Your Blind Child about Movement in
Physical Activity and Exercise

 

11:20am-12:20pm              Breakout Session 2

                                                Goalball

                                                Yoga

                                                Dance

                                                Full Body Any Time Anywhere

Parent and Educators Track: Mainstreaming in the Gym Setting

 

12:30-1:30pm                      Lunch

                                                WE Fit Wellness Keynote

                                                Maureen Nietfeld

President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and
Recreation Division

                                                Jessica Beecham

                                                Director, WE Fit Wellness

 

1:40-2:40pm                         Breakout Session 3

                                                Beep Baseball

                                                Guide Running

                                                Tandem Cycling

                                                Judo

                                                Simple Tools for Exercise

Parents and Educators Track: Parents and educators participate in an
afternoon activity with sleep shades.

 

2:50-3:50pm                         Team Building Wrap-Up

 





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From martinezana770 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 15:57:46 2015
From: martinezana770 at gmail.com (Ana Martinez)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:57:46 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] colleges
Message-ID: <CAPMxSt2RmAMQgO1JOu1zis7aQU28UGJWZq2Ac8pnP73Q93kbgg@mail.gmail.com>

hi all so I started my college search, so far I have 4 colleges that I
would like to go has any of you attended Kent state university,
University of northern Colorado, apalachian state university, or saint
cloud state university? I would like some fitback of  if anyone has
attended any of this colleges I would really appreciate if you could
give me some fitback, thanks


From clb5590 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 16:13:08 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 09:13:08 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] colleges
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt2RmAMQgO1JOu1zis7aQU28UGJWZq2Ac8pnP73Q93kbgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt2RmAMQgO1JOu1zis7aQU28UGJWZq2Ac8pnP73Q93kbgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdzoJVA5rdrOD8G3fKwxr2o+1e+Cyg_qoXjrFQgTY4qnJQ@mail.gmail.com>

I could put you in touch with someone who attended Kent State about 10
years ago and with someone who attended App and graduated a year or
two ago. Are you interested in either? I am from NC and could give you
general info about the state.

I love my home state, but there is a bill traveling through the state
legislature that if passed would require all college professors to
teach 8 courses a year. At the college level, that is a crazy amount,
and there are other education budget cuts that have either already
taken effect or are in consideration. I am personally disappointed
with what the legislature is doing with higher education, and all
education in NC for that matter, but I guess the point of including
this is that politics should unfortunately, be part of your college
search, having a working knowledge of how the legislature generally
prioritizes education and upcoming legislation that could effect you.

Cindy

On 4/14/15, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> hi all so I started my college search, so far I have 4 colleges that I
> would like to go has any of you attended Kent state university,
> University of northern Colorado, apalachian state university, or saint
> cloud state university? I would like some fitback of  if anyone has
> attended any of this colleges I would really appreciate if you could
> give me some fitback, thanks
>
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-- 
Cindy Bennett
1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From slabarre at labarrelaw.com  Tue Apr 14 16:37:00 2015
From: slabarre at labarrelaw.com (Scott C. LaBarre)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 10:37:00 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Find Your Fit Sports and Rec Seminar
References: <D1528F2E.1D48C%jbeecham@cocenter.org> 
Message-ID: <020e01d076d1$3bf8d4f0$b3ea7ed0$@labarrelaw.com>

 

 

From: Scott C. LaBarre [mailto:slabarre at labarrelaw.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 9:53 AM
To: 'slabarre at labarrelaw.com'
Subject: FW: Find Your Fit Sports and Rec Seminar

 

Please spread this around as appropriate.  We would love to have you all in
Colorado for this excellent seminar.

 

Best,

Scott LaBarre, President

NFB Colorado

 

From: Jessica Beecham [mailto:jbeecham at cocenter.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 14, 2015 9:33 AM
To: User
Subject: Find Your Fit Sports and Rec Seminar

 

Sign up today for the first ever National Federation of the Blind of
Colorado Sports and Recreation Division and WE Fit Wellness Find Your Fit
Seminar! We have a fun packed agenda with something cool for EVERYONE! Pre
registration is only $15!

 

Whether you want to know more about exercise, competitive sports, or active
things to do for fun; our full day, high energy, interactive seminar will
help you find your fit. From low impact to full throttle we have recreation
and exercise solutions that are accessible, affordable, and achievable. Less
talk and more action! Come ready to play. We also have a track for parents
and educators that addresses tips and tricks for getting kids moving as well
as ways to make sure they are included in main stream physical education!

 

.      Goalball

.      Dance

.      Yoga

.      Guide walk/run

.      Full Body Anywhere Any Time Workout

.      Self Defense

.      Tandem Cycling

.      At home exercise tools

.      Beep Ball

 

You can try it all! Each participant will also receive complimentary,
healthy, and tasty breakfast, lunch, and snacks as well as a take home tool
kit which includes healthy recipes, ready made workouts, tips and tricks for
staying healthy, and a guide to healthy options on the go: best fast food
choices. No matter your age or ability level, you will leave with the
confidence and practical tools that will help you live the life you want
through exercise and physical activity. Registration is $15 in advance or
$20 at the door. Register online at
<http://www.wefitwellness.com/services/findyourfit>
www.wefitwellness.com/services/findyourfit. For more information, or for
assistance registering, please contact Cheryl Gross at
<mailto:cheryl at wefitwellness.com> cheryl at wefitwellness.com or call
866-543-6808 x 10. We welcome our friends from across Colorado and the
nation. We have a hotel block at a rate of $99 at the Hampden Inn and Suites
Denver/Highlands Ranch, 3095 W. County Line Rd, Highlands Ranch, CO 80129.
Make your reservation by calling 303-794-1800.

 

About WE Fit Wellness:

 

There are barriers that make exercise and good nutrition seem unattainable
for people with disabilities. WE Fit Wellness is committed to offering
Accessible, Affordable, and Achievable solutions to make exercise and better
nutrition the right fit for everyone. WE Fit Wellness is excited to work
with the National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Division to
host Find Your Fit!

 

About National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and Recreation
Division:

 

The National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and Recreation
Division is a division of the National Federation of the Blind of Colorado.
We know that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your
choices in physical activity and recreation. Every day we raise expectations
of blind people because we know that low expectations lead to barriers
between us and our future health and happiness. You can live the life you
want. Blindness is not what holds you back.

 

Find Your Fit

Presented by:

National Federation of the Blind of CO Sports and Recreation Division

and

WE Fit Wellness

 

May 9, 2015

8:00am-4:00pm

Colorado Center for the Blind

2233 W. Shepperd Ave.

Littleton, CO 80120

 

***NOTE: If not otherwise specified, parents and educators will join the
rest of the group for activities.

 

8:00-8:45am                         Registration

 

8:45-9:00am                         Opening Remarks

                                                Maureen Nietfeld

President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and
Recreation Division

 

9:00-9:20am                         A Word from our National President

                                                Lisamaria Martinez

President, National Federation of the Blind Sports and Recreation Division

 

9:20-10:00am                       My Fitness Myself

                                                Maureen Nietfeld


Steve Patton

                                                Brittany Savage

                                               

10:10-11:10am                    Breakout Session 1

                                                Goalball

                                                Yoga

                                                Dance

                                                Full Body Any Time Workout

Parent and Educators Track: Teaching Your Blind Child about Movement in
Physical Activity and Exercise

 

11:20am-12:20pm              Breakout Session 2

                                                Goalball

                                                Yoga

                                                Dance

                                                Full Body Any Time Anywhere

Parent and Educators Track: Mainstreaming in the Gym Setting

 

12:30-1:30pm                      Lunch

                                                WE Fit Wellness Keynote

                                                Maureen Nietfeld

President, National Federation of the Blind of Colorado Sports and
Recreation Division

                                                Jessica Beecham

                                                Director, WE Fit Wellness

 

1:40-2:40pm                         Breakout Session 3

                                                Beep Baseball

                                                Guide Running

                                                Tandem Cycling

                                                Judo

                                                Simple Tools for Exercise

Parents and Educators Track: Parents and educators participate in an
afternoon activity with sleep shades.

 

2:50-3:50pm                         Team Building Wrap-Up

 

 

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 14 23:01:46 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 19:01:46 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] colleges
Message-ID: <552d9c88.88698c0a.31b6.ffffa0c5@mx.google.com>

Hi Ana congratulations on starting your college search.  I have 
never attended any of these colleges but I'd like to tell you 
about the college that I attend.  UCF believes that all students 
including those with disabilities should have equal access to 
their education on and off campus.  The Student Accessiblity 
office provides services to students that have a documented 
disability request on file with them.  Each semester perspective 
students are asked to register with the office before classes 
begin.


From NMPBRAT at aol.com  Tue Apr 14 23:32:03 2015
From: NMPBRAT at aol.com (NMPBRAT at aol.com)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 19:32:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] colleges
Message-ID: <f398.2434f65.425efd72@aol.com>

I am a graduate of Kent State University and received my  undergrad degree 
there.  Very nice school!   
What would you like to know?
 
Nicole
 
 
In a message dated 4/14/2015 11:58:54 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,  
nabs-l at nfbnet.org writes:

hi all  so I started my college search, so far I have 4 colleges that I
would like  to go has any of you attended Kent state university,
University of northern  Colorado, apalachian state university, or saint
cloud state university? I  would like some fitback of  if anyone has
attended any of this  colleges I would really appreciate if you could
give me some fitback,  thanks

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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 00:24:04 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 20:24:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] These Raised Dots Spell Controversy
Message-ID: <01c301d07712$87527870$95f76950$@gmail.com>

Hello,

If you're interested in some latest tech headlines, accessibility talk and
human interest from a blind perspective, I hope you'll consider giving the
latest SeroTalk Podcast a listen. And, stay on the look out. We'll be
looking to launch a young adult podcast in the future. The next host could
be you! Download the podcast episode here:

http://bit.ly/1H5fHfc

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe




From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 02:57:53 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 22:57:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] These Raised Dots Spell Controversy
In-Reply-To: <01c301d07712$87527870$95f76950$@gmail.com>
References: <01c301d07712$87527870$95f76950$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e6OASn6ckxL9s3qW4sWqgORzy7gf5f-LrnZQK1J2M__3Q@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks Scribbling Joe Orozco for sharing this podcast.


I am extremely interested in a young adult podcast. Can you please kindly
give me some more details about the young adult podcast as they become
available in the future?

How does one who is visually impaired join the Sero Talk podcast group?


James Hulme
jim.hulme at gmail.com
@JImHulmeLookout




On Tue, Apr 14, 2015 at 8:24 PM, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> If you're interested in some latest tech headlines, accessibility talk and
> human interest from a blind perspective, I hope you'll consider giving the
> latest SeroTalk Podcast a listen. And, stay on the look out. We'll be
> looking to launch a young adult podcast in the future. The next host could
> be you! Download the podcast episode here:
>
> http://bit.ly/1H5fHfc
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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>

From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 03:28:10 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2015 21:28:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] colleges
In-Reply-To: <CAPMxSt2RmAMQgO1JOu1zis7aQU28UGJWZq2Ac8pnP73Q93kbgg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPMxSt2RmAMQgO1JOu1zis7aQU28UGJWZq2Ac8pnP73Q93kbgg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <32A2F554-3941-4851-B353-6CEA0A848078@gmail.com>

Why did you pick these particular schools?

Anna E Givens

> On Apr 14, 2015, at 9:57 AM, Ana Martinez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> hi all so I started my college search, so far I have 4 colleges that I
> would like to go has any of you attended Kent state university,
> University of northern Colorado, apalachian state university, or saint
> cloud state university? I would like some fitback of  if anyone has
> attended any of this colleges I would really appreciate if you could
> give me some fitback, thanks
> 
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From brailleprincess at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 14:18:52 2015
From: brailleprincess at gmail.com (Kayla Weathers)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 10:18:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating tactile punnett squares
Message-ID: <CAGpn82SWDGAnjqkAEbhGcczoA2=dUSdddBG2ffUaXfjW39KTEw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi NABS,
I’m attempting to figure out how to create a tactile model of a
punnett square. I understand the overall concept, but as the squares
become more complex, I have trouble keeping all of the info in my
head. The professor does a great job verbalizing what he has written
on the board, but at one point during a recent lecture we were dealing
with sixteen different squares, and I kept forgetting which alleles
were dominant and which were recessive and where they were in
relationship to one another as the square grew in complexity. I
welcome any suggestions/feedback.
Thanks, Kayla


From pulyperez1 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 15:09:21 2015
From: pulyperez1 at gmail.com (Precious)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 11:09:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating tactile punnett squares
Message-ID: <552e7f47.0a938c0a.6d7a.159f@mx.google.com>

Hi!,
  I had to deal with punnet squares when I took Honors bio.  What 
helped me a lot was the tactile Wheetley board.  The lines are 
used to make the squares, and the different shapes and pieces can 
be used to rrpresent alleles among everything else you need to 
add on to it.

Precious


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:45:08 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:45:08 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating tactile punnett squares
In-Reply-To: <552e7f47.0a938c0a.6d7a.159f@mx.google.com>
References: <552e7f47.0a938c0a.6d7a.159f@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZNkjUZWuqR-Cb265y5V6Aah=FU39JXQtM=7rZ0ZSPj5w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I actually took a genetics class in high school which used all sizes
of squares.  The largest was an 8 by 8 grid.  I would also recommend
using some kind of tactile board and using markers of some kind to
serve as your alleles.  These could even be found objects like buttons
or different coins.  I used dimes and nickles on mine.

If you don't have a board as I did not see if your braillist can make
you a tactile grid.  My braillist took a side of a cardboard box and
puffy painted lines onto it.  For smaller grids she used the tracing
wheel (sorry I do not know the technical name for it but it makes
tactile lines and looks like a pizza cutter) onto a piece of
cardstock.  My teacher either graded it as he looked at it or took a
picture of it so he could grade me later.

Good luck.  Genetics is such an interesting subject.  If you have any
questions about other things I'd be happy to help.

On 4/15/15, Precious via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi!,
>   I had to deal with punnet squares when I took Honors bio.  What
> helped me a lot was the tactile Wheetley board.  The lines are
> used to make the squares, and the different shapes and pieces can
> be used to rrpresent alleles among everything else you need to
> add on to it.
>
> Precious
>
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-- 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 16:52:50 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 12:52:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Are you a blind student living or studying in Ohio? Apply
 for the NFB of Ohio Scholarship!
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZGof+ks+E61OxD0DY+qpRgXe4kHDMs10TUnz7XB92pqg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

The Ohio affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind is proud to
sponsor 3 scholarships to be presented to college students who are
blind at its annual convention.  If you live in Ohio or attend school
there you are eligible to apply.  Please share this message to others
who may be eligible.

The deadline is May 15th.  Please don't miss this fantastic
opportunity!  A scholarship and a trip to the Ohio affiliate
convention in Independence Ohio could be yours!

Please see the application attached.  If you have any questions feel
free to email Deborah Kendrick, committee chair, at
dkkendrick at earthlink.net.

Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
Ohio Association of Blind Students, President
Member of the NFB of Ohio Scholarship Committee.
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 15 23:33:28 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2015 19:33:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating tactile punnett squares
Message-ID: <552ef577.84ef8c0a.435d.719e@mx.google.com>

Hi Kayla there should be diagrams of punnett squares in your 
textbook.  When I took biology in high school I had a diagram of 
punnett squares in my text.  I'm not sure how to create them 
though.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 15:06:31 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:06:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Address for Blind Parents mailing list
Message-ID: <552fd028.0e17370a.4a3b.ffffef3d@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I posted a message to the Blind Parents mailing list this morning 
and on Tuesday.  Both of my messages came back to me twice.  How 
can I fix this? Can someone send me the correct email address for 
this list?


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 16 15:30:38 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:30:38 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Address for Blind Parents mailing list
Message-ID: <552fd5d8.c1226b0a.7bc0.ffffe713@mx.google.com>

You have to sign up for the list on the NFB mailing lists page.  
You can't just send messages to it if you're not a member.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 11:06:31 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Address for Blind Parents mailing list

Dear Students,

I posted a message to the Blind Parents mailing list this morning
and on Tuesday.  Both of my messages came back to me twice.  How
can I fix this? Can someone send me the correct email address for
this list?

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From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Thu Apr 16 19:08:38 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (jfranks at nfbtx.org)
Date: Thu, 16 Apr 2015 14:08:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Address for Blind Parents mailing list
In-Reply-To: <552fd028.0e17370a.4a3b.ffffef3d@mx.google.com>
References: <552fd028.0e17370a.4a3b.ffffef3d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <327DE153-4532-4602-A3DF-57A1EFAC82C3@nfbtx.org>

You have to go to nfbnet.org to sign up for the mailing list then you can send emails

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 16, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I posted a message to the Blind Parents mailing list this morning and on Tuesday.  Both of my messages came back to me twice.  How can I fix this? Can someone send me the correct email address for this list?
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 05:23:26 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 01:23:26 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating tactile punnett squares
In-Reply-To: <552ef577.84ef8c0a.435d.719e@mx.google.com>
References: <552ef577.84ef8c0a.435d.719e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FbEw_dqh3kLkADPeDhPFVtizfreHAzjRCzLRZoJ21SA5g@mail.gmail.com>

Not all textbooks have them.  Mine was a Nimac file I had on my
notetaker-and thus could not have any tactile representations.  My
braillist became very good at making cells, DNA strands, kariotypes,
etc.

On 4/15/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Kayla there should be diagrams of punnett squares in your
> textbook.  When I took biology in high school I had a diagram of
> punnett squares in my text.  I'm not sure how to create them
> though.
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Kaiti


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 15:50:33 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 11:50:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
In-Reply-To: <8FE887ED-FB22-48FD-BDD0-86D1C0A84824@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FZerOSWx3E7SKrY_yvz4pEVyEwJsZsYpmFMDH4=jO2Ptg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5BD64928-D228-44CE-BC73-80E86BD86E6C@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
	<8FE887ED-FB22-48FD-BDD0-86D1C0A84824@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYv8=NfhVFeHUxmXFuS9LtOMoRy+jdpR+4GY3TpXJcjiQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

In case anyone was interested in swapping ideas or was interested in
an update, here it is.

We had our info-session on Tuesday.  Including the other girl and
myself there were ten people in attendance, but the group was pretty
diverse.  We heard from another 6 who really want to be involved but
had conflicts with the meeting time.

Last night I got together all the information and submitted it online
through OrgSync-which is our online portal.  Now we're just waiting
for approval from the Center for Student Involvement (CSI).  We now
need to work on a constitution and elect a set of officers, but
everything else is in order including our faculty adviser.

Here are some of the brainstorming ideas we came up with.
Some "Everybody Counts-esque" experience outside in the Fall Semester
when it's still warm.  Expose students to different simulations of
disabilities.  Also try to add in a social component so the students
experience a taste of some of the things disabled people might see in
reactions from others (possibly implimented by confederates who act it
out), and add in a competetive aspect to entice students.  Doing
obstacle courses under sleep shades with a cane and a wheelchair
scavenger hunt.  We also will encorperate the social aspect with
confederates possibly, or putting people in situations where they
experience limitations and need to ask for help.  (E.G, ask the
participants in the scavenger hunt to go to the campus deli and get
something we know is on a higher shelf).
Comedy night.  Charge a small admission fee and have students from the
club test their stand-up skills.  Possibly will try to bring in
another more established comedian with a disability from the area.
Fundraisers.
Mentoring program with students with special needs in local schools.
Partnering with Best Buddies and the Counsel for Exceptional Children
on campus for joint events.
Reaching out as a support system on campus.

These are great starts, and I think will be wonderful ways we can work
to reach out to those on campus with and without disabilities.

On 4/3/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I work with the Center for distributed learning ECF to make sure the online
> courses are accessible to students with disabilities I really enjoy doing
> this it's very rewarding sometimes
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> One thing students are doing is meeting with the President and or Provost
>> of colleges and telling them how they are doing good on accessibility and
>> how they can improve. This is something the NABS board is actively trying
>> to work with students to make happen. Let me know if this is something
>> that interests you.
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> NABS board member
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
>>> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
>>> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
>>> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
>>> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
>>> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
>>> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
>>> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
>>> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
>>> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
>>> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
>>> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
>>> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
>>> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
>>>
>>> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
>>> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
>>> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
>>> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
>>> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
>>>
>>> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
>>> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
>>> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
>>> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
>>> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
>>> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
>>> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
>>> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
>>> Any other ideas?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Kaiti
>>>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 17 18:43:19 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (Anna Givens)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 12:43:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Student orgs related to disability
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What is the Center for Distributed Learning?

Anna E Givens

> On Apr 3, 2015, at 9:27 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I work with the Center for distributed learning ECF to make sure the online courses are accessible to students with disabilities I really enjoy doing this it's very rewarding sometimes
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:26 PM, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> One thing students are doing is meeting with the President and or Provost of colleges and telling them how they are doing good on accessibility and how they can improve. This is something the NABS board is actively trying to work with students to make happen. Let me know if this is something that interests you. 
>> 
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> NABS board member
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 31, 2015, at 2:12 PM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am excited to report that after meeting another blind student on my
>>> campus she and I are working to establish a student organization for
>>> students with and without disabilities to discuss accessibility, raise
>>> awareness of disability issues, etc.  We were particularly struck by
>>> the fact that we would have never met had a professor we've both had
>>> not thought to encourage both of us to join an ensemble this semester;
>>> we have spent the past 2 and a half years of our college careers
>>> separately thinking we were the only blind student on campus.  We have
>>> since found out we were both in the same dorm building our freshman
>>> year, and I even had a friend I visited frequently on her floor.
>>> While we understand the need for the disability services staff to
>>> maintain confidentiality, it was striking to find out that we were
>>> experiencing the exact same problems on campus and because there
>>> wasn't a united front nothing was being done to fix them.
>>> 
>>> We wondered if this was effecting anyone else on campus, so we
>>> approached our DS office about faculty sponsorship for the
>>> organization.  They agreed to it, but have let the other girl and I
>>> spearhead things.  They're providing the space and possibly some light
>>> refreshments for an info session in a few weeks.
>>> 
>>> We have a few ideas in mind for the club, but I'm interested in
>>> getting input from other students.  We know we want to do some
>>> outreach on campus and possibly form a fundraiser by selling something
>>> to raise awareness of disability issues.  We know we'd like to
>>> affiliate with Delta Alpha Pi, the international honors society for
>>> students with disabilities.  Since she and I both have experience in
>>> martial arts we'd also like to make a membership activity in the
>>> future a self-defence workshop aimed towards people with disabilities.
>>> Any other ideas?
>>> 
>>> -- 
>>> Kaiti
>>> 
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From news at lists.blindtraining.com  Fri Apr 17 20:33:58 2015
From: news at lists.blindtraining.com (CathyAnne via News)
Date: Fri, 17 Apr 2015 15:33:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] An Immersion into ZoomText 10.1 is now Available
Message-ID: <auto-000022346402@mailfront1.g2host.com>

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 02:25:29 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 18 Apr 2015 22:25:29 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind comedians
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZ=pkU5pSD-eBt--vf87vue9hyt7fpUKevZUWt8xzNvuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I recently posted that I have been working on a disability
organization on my college campus.  We had our first brainstorm
meeting this past week and came up with some great ideas, one of which
is a comedy night where we would charge a small fee for admission.
One of the girls in the club says she could try her hand at some stand
up and jokes about deaf people (as she is deaf herself), and I would
also be willing to form some stand up jokes (provided that my
roommates aren't the only people who think I'm hilarious).

My faculty adviser and I were talking about that idea and she said,
"It's too bad you can't get Josh Blue."  He won the 4th season of Last
Comic Standing and has Cerebral Palsy.  Apparently she had tried to
get him to the school for a disability services staff function but he
books for $10,000 for a 2 hour gig.  She looked him up anyway and
found he was going to be at the local comedy club this weekend.  She
and I ended up going and I had an opportunity to meet him after the
show.  It was pretty awesome.

Me: "Can we get a picture?  Is that Kosher?"
Josh Blue:  "It's kosher but I don't know how you'll be able to see it."
Me: "I can see a bit, and maybe it will get better in the future with
bionic eyes and such.  Technology is great."

So I can officially say I've bantered with a comedian.  He also said
if the comedy night fundraiser works out to call his people and we
could work something out.  I'm so excited and am now really invested
in researching comedians with disabilities to make this work.  It
would be a nice way to break the ice for us, and it also would be a
nice fundraiser for future projects.  Does anyone know of any other
comedians who are good?  They do not necessarily have to be blind, but
as there seem to be more and more blind students coming to my campus
there will be more canes around that people are used to.

-- 
Kaiti


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 19 21:36:10 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 17:36:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Super awesome new app for iPhone and Android!
Message-ID: <CDC8D2C3-BF40-4A8A-B773-73C249B222D6@gmail.com>

Dear Student

In the frame of his Ph.D. project Martin Dorigo developed a novel system for reading and editing structured documents in a non-visual way on mobile and wearable devices. This App is called DOKY and it is available for Apple iPhone, iPad and Android devices!

DOKY provides you amongst others the following 3 unique key features:

 1.  A fast overview over the document structure
 2.  A fast skim and scan over the document content
 3.  Move, remove and insert elements and text

He would like to invite you to test his system. It will take you 15 minutes only:

 1.  Please go to the Apple AppStore or Android PlayStore and search for DOKY (written with Y).
Or use the following links:
http://itunes.apple.com/gb/app/doky/id975186203
http://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=ch.dorigo.doky
 2.  Install and start the DOKY app
 3.  Follow the spoken instructions

In order to reach significant results the participation of a lot of people is required. May I ask you to forward this message to many others.

Please test DOKY until April 30th 2015. With your valuable assistance the reading and editing of structured documents will be revolutionized!

Thank you so much and kind regards
________________________________
[http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/images/email_footer.gif]<http://www.plymouth.ac.uk/worldclass>
Kathryn C. Webster
Board Member | National Federation of the Blind of Connecticut
President | North Carolina Association of Blind Students
Treasurer | Connecticut Association of Blind Students
Board Member | The Science and Engineering Division
(Coordinator | Connecticut BELL Program
Executive Editor | The Federationist Newsletter
203) 273-8463
kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 20 02:15:50 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:15:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Management Online Class
Message-ID: <61BB71E8-F515-459A-8E24-C726C9181C6B@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? I just wanted to ask you, do any of you here know the subject of Financial Management? I appologize for the misspell of the name. I'm just wondering, since I would like some of you who knows the  subject of it to tutor my dad on it! He is actually in college right now, and he is actually taking currently a Financial management online class, and he is actually struggling with problems in the class. It is not that he does not know, is that he have  some issues with it! And it would be great if some  of you who knows the subject to give him some featback about it. Just to let you know, he is actually a doctor in my country, but here in the u.S. he is doing a Health Management Bachelor's degree. I apologize for the misspell of the name again!  Probably some of you will not believe me, but it is true! If you would like to help him, and you are interested about it, please feel free to contact me off list since i don't want to clutter the list ok? I will really appreciate it a lot! And that way, I can give you his contact information so that he can contact you and ask you some questions to you in private guys!  Thank you so much for all your time and have a nice day. I look forward in hearing from you soon. God bless!

Helga Schreiber

Fundraiser Coordinator for Phi Theta Kappa, Alpha Delta Iota chapter.
Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Mon Apr 20 17:40:56 2015
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 2015 10:40:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Join the #BlindAbroad campaign
Message-ID: <001001d07b91$285c33f0$79149bd0$@miusa.org>

Dear students!
The National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange (NCDE), a project
sponsored by the U.S. Department of State and administered by MIUSA, is
excited to announce its #BlindAbroad campaign, aiming to increase awareness
to the blind and low vision community on the benefits of studying, teaching,
and/or volunteering abroad!

At the same time, we aim to raise awareness to organizations and
universities to support and promote the participation of the blind community
in international educational exchange.
Please click on the link below for ways you can join and promote the
campaign (some stipend opportunities are included).

http://www.miusa.org/news/2015/blindabroad

Some examples to participate are:
1)	Sharing your story if you have studied, taught, or volunteered
abroad.
2)	Reach out to blind organizations to share your story.
3)	Create a disability student group on your campus, and discuss
student needs and 	interests, such as studying abroad!
4)	Promote the campaign on social media, using #BlindAbroad

See what others are saying about #BlindAbroad: http://twubs.com/BlindAbroad

I look forward to hearing from you soon!
Best,
Monica

Monica Malhotra
Project Coordinator, National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange
Mobility International USA (MIUSA)
132 E Broadway, Suite 343
Eugene, Oregon 97401 USA
Skype: monica.miusa
(541) 343-1284 ext 27
Email: mmalhotra at miusa.org
Sign up for our monthly e-newsletters! 
http://www.miusa.org/newsletter/signup 
  
Empowering people with disabilities around the world to achieve their human
rights through international exchange and international development.







From melaniepeskoe at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 10:21:05 2015
From: melaniepeskoe at gmail.com (Melanie Peskoe)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 06:21:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance
Message-ID: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>

Dear List,
I will be attending law school this fall and I’m currently in the process of piecing together funding. The Kentucky Office for the Blind has a $5000 annual cap on tuition assistance and a $300 annual cap on books. These caps are based on an instate undergraduate degree program. I’m seeking an exception to this policy as my instate law school tuition and book expenses are significantly higher than the cap. I’m wondering if there is anyone on this list who has received an exception to similar policies from your state agency? What was the process and outcome of your experience? 
Kind regards,
Melanie 

From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Apr 21 15:54:32 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 08:54:32 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance
In-Reply-To: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
References: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
Message-ID: <CAF=_avcUeNzULBuTK3tOujqSGeAfzpEGO5tJNrE7Qy-21SHKuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Melanie

I would start with a letter requesting the addition amount iwth the reasons
why. Provide as much information as you can. If you get denied start the
appeal process. I had to file an appeal to get something covered by VR.

And $300 for books? That's crazy. I have that for single courses.

Suzanne

On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 3:21 AM, Melanie Peskoe via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Dear List,
> I will be attending law school this fall and I’m currently in the process
> of piecing together funding. The Kentucky Office for the Blind has a $5000
> annual cap on tuition assistance and a $300 annual cap on books. These caps
> are based on an instate undergraduate degree program. I’m seeking an
> exception to this policy as my instate law school tuition and book expenses
> are significantly higher than the cap. I’m wondering if there is anyone on
> this list who has received an exception to similar policies from your state
> agency? What was the process and outcome of your experience?
> Kind regards,
> Melanie
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 18:10:56 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 14:10:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance
Message-ID: <553692ea.a6528c0a.0d54.ffff957c@mx.google.com>

Hi Melanie thanks for your message.  When I was in community 
college vocational rehab paid for my books each semester.  The 
only time I had a problem was towards the end of my semester when 
my Division of Blind Services counselor would not pay for a book 
that I needed for my online class.  The outceme of having my 
books paid for was that I was able to pick them up from the 
bookstore each semester.


From ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com  Tue Apr 21 20:03:57 2015
From: ryan.l.silveira at gmail.com (Ryan Silveira)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 16:03:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Memory Q translation software
Message-ID: <5F23032C-3C2E-4CFC-AC6D-50EF41358540@gmail.com>

Hi all

I have a question for anyone who does any translating.  A friend of mine is about to get her masters in Arabic translation.  The software her university near Tel Aviv uses is called Memory Q.  Does anyone know if the software is accessible with any screen reader, preferably voiceover, JAWS or NVDA.  Thanks.


Ryan L. Silveira
חיים אהרן בן אברהם


From ALewis at nfb.org  Tue Apr 21 20:36:36 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 20:36:36 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance
In-Reply-To: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
References: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
Message-ID: <DM2PR0701MB10184FDDE5348278A744F297C1EF0@DM2PR0701MB1018.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Melanie:

Are you attending a state college or university, or are you attending a private college or university?

Anil


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Executive Director 
(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 
Twitter: @AnilLife
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Melanie Peskoe via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2015 6:21 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance

Dear List,
I will be attending law school this fall and I’m currently in the process of piecing together funding. The Kentucky Office for the Blind has a $5000 annual cap on tuition assistance and a $300 annual cap on books. These caps are based on an instate undergraduate degree program. I’m seeking an exception to this policy as my instate law school tuition and book expenses are significantly higher than the cap. I’m wondering if there is anyone on this list who has received an exception to similar policies from your state agency? What was the process and outcome of your experience? 
Kind regards,
Melanie 
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Tue Apr 21 21:18:33 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Tue, 21 Apr 2015 17:18:33 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Voc Rehab tuition assistance
In-Reply-To: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
References: <66909DC844074D15A821A557734FF6C2@Owner>
Message-ID: <SNT407-EAS418BDE2AD94B1FAC8B3DEC0DCEF0@phx.gbl>

I am aware of exceptions, prior to 2012 and the recession. Many VR programs are running out of funding since, the states are cutting all services.


> On Apr 21, 2015, at 6:21 AM, Melanie Peskoe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear List,
> I will be attending law school this fall and I’m currently in the process of piecing together funding. The Kentucky Office for the Blind has a $5000 annual cap on tuition assistance and a $300 annual cap on books. These caps are based on an instate undergraduate degree program. I’m seeking an exception to this policy as my instate law school tuition and book expenses are significantly higher than the cap. I’m wondering if there is anyone on this list who has received an exception to similar policies from your state agency? What was the process and outcome of your experience? 
> Kind regards,
> Melanie 
> _______________________________________________
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 18:11:05 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 14:11:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a new Nfb mailing list
Message-ID: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>

Dear Students,

I'd like to see a new list created on the Nfb net server where 
topics regarding orientation and mobility such as cane travel and 
public transportation can be discussed.  I emailed David Andrews 
regarding this yesterday but he told me that asking is not en.  
Are there any other steps that I have to take? Thanks and I hope 
to hear from you soon.


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 18:23:59 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 11:23:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a new Nfb mailing list
In-Reply-To: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>
References: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <631DCD5F-3203-47F9-B609-374C169EABF8@gmail.com>

Hello,
What types of things do you think need to be discussed on such a list that can't be discussed on pre-existing lists?
 Best,
Darian

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Students,
> 
> I'd like to see a new list created on the Nfb net server where topics regarding orientation and mobility such as cane travel and public transportation can be discussed.  I emailed David Andrews regarding this yesterday but he told me that asking is not en.  Are there any other steps that I have to take? Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
> 
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 22 23:57:02 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 19:57:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Site for downloading Niv bible to my Apex
Message-ID: <5538358a.0514370a.57ff.ffff9c3b@mx.google.com>

Hey Nabsters,

Does anyone know of a site where I can get the Niv or Nasb Bibles 
downloaded to my Apex? Thanks so much for your assistance


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Thu Apr 23 00:08:21 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Wed, 22 Apr 2015 20:08:21 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Site for downloading Niv bible to my Apex
In-Reply-To: <5538358a.0514370a.57ff.ffff9c3b@mx.google.com>
References: <5538358a.0514370a.57ff.ffff9c3b@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <22E167AA-58B5-4C82-A3E9-454FD879A1EF@me.com>

write me off list and I can send you the NIV translation.

God bless.
Matthew Dierckens
Certified Assistive Technology Specialist
Macintosh, Windows and IOS  Trainer
U.S. number: 573-401-1018
Personal Email: matt.dierckens at me.com

> On Apr 22, 2015, at 19:57, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey Nabsters,
> 
> Does anyone know of a site where I can get the Niv or Nasb Bibles downloaded to my Apex? Thanks so much for your assistance
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 01:21:59 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (cape.amanda at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:21:59 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing default font in word 2007 with jaws
Message-ID: <32DEB18B-EAE9-4ADF-929B-5E9F8BE33FA8@gmail.com>

Hi everyone,
How do I change my default font to times new roman 12 with jaws in word 2007? I tried to but couldn't find the set default buttons or boxes.

Amanda

From jim.hulme at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 01:34:48 2015
From: jim.hulme at gmail.com (James Hulme)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 21:34:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing default font in word 2007 with jaws
In-Reply-To: <32DEB18B-EAE9-4ADF-929B-5E9F8BE33FA8@gmail.com>
References: <32DEB18B-EAE9-4ADF-929B-5E9F8BE33FA8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKMC2e4goK7S_7eF0qJw=OjxU6Ah_j5ELTVwoD+009Zrbux=Ew@mail.gmail.com>

Hello amanda

that version is old

James Twoodsy Stuckyville

On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> How do I change my default font to times new roman 12 with jaws in word
> 2007? I tried to but couldn't find the set default buttons or boxes.
>
> Amanda
> _______________________________________________
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 04:06:05 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Thu, 23 Apr 2015 23:06:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing default font in word 2007 with jaws
In-Reply-To: <CAKMC2e4goK7S_7eF0qJw=OjxU6Ah_j5ELTVwoD+009Zrbux=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32DEB18B-EAE9-4ADF-929B-5E9F8BE33FA8@gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e4goK7S_7eF0qJw=OjxU6Ah_j5ELTVwoD+009Zrbux=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJNs7dNEQN3RJfcZofK0oxt=N-mZ7xOOumHKs5LECLyag@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Amanda,

I also have Word 2007.  You should be able to hit Control D, set the
font you want, and then tab to the default button.  It's right before
the OK button in the dialog box.  It will ask you if you are sure you
want to change the default font to whatever you've chosen.  I would
try that, exit out of a document, and then open a new one to test the
process, but it looks like it will work.

On 4/23/15, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello amanda
>
> that version is old
>
> James Twoodsy Stuckyville
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>> How do I change my default font to times new roman 12 with jaws in word
>> 2007? I tried to but couldn't find the set default buttons or boxes.
>>
>> Amanda
>> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Julie McGinnity
National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President
graduate, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
"For we walk by faith, not by sight"
2 Cor. 7


From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Apr 24 13:57:53 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 08:57:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: MacGuffin - a new platform for writers and readers
Message-ID: <auto-000022983457@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:18:03 +0100
>From: Sam Clark <sam at macguffin.io>
>To:  <david.andrews at nfbnet.org>
>Subject: MacGuffin - a new platform for writers and readers
>
>Dear David
>
>I’m contacting you from Comma Press, a 
>non-profit independent publisher specialising in short fiction.
>
>We’re building a self-publishing platform for 
>fiction and poetry. We hope it’s going to be 
>useful for blind and visually impaired readers 
>and writers, as all content will be available in text and audio form.
>
>We’re just about to release a beta version, to 
>give people an opportunity to try MacGuffin out 
>and help improve it before we launch. We would 
>really like to invite some blind and partially 
>sighted readers and writers to tell us what they think.
>
>I’d be really grateful if you could share the 
>information below with subscribers to stylist.
>
>If you would like to ask any questions about 
>MacGuffin, the beta version, or would like to 
>give feedback, you can talk to Jim on 07891582529.
>
>------------------
>
>Comma Press, an independent publisher, 
>specialising in short fiction and poetry are 
>building a self-publishing platform:
>
>MacGuffin hosts fiction and poetry in text and 
>audio form. Authors upload their text along with 
>an mp3 reading (no specialist equipment needed, 
>you can record on smartphone!); end-users can 
>read or stream audio, and toggle between the two.
>
>MacGuffin uses Twitter-style hash-tagging: any 
>end-user can tag anyone else's work to describe 
>the content, contribute to a meme or add it to a reading list.
>
>Examples:
>    * I want to share my work-in-progress with 
> my writers’ group. I upload a story, tag it 
> with the name of the group (#mcrscifiwriters), 
> and it’s there for everyone to find
>    *  I’ve written a short story and want to 
> target it at readers who will get my work. I 
> tag it #slipstream #surreal #absurd #shortstory #newweird.
>    * I tag someone else’s poem #sundaysonnets to add it to a meme.
>    * I tag someone else’s story 
> #samsfavouritelyricalstories to add it to a personal reading list.
>    * I'm writing an essay on representations of 
> nature in contemporary poetry. I search #poem 
> #nature #seasons #snow #sun to find a range of poems with thematic relevance.
>    * I'm a crime fiction fan with a 15-minute 
> bus ride. I search #crime #15minutelisten to find a story to suit my journey.
>    * I run a spoken-word night - I upload 
> samples of recent performances tagged with the name of my event.
>
>MacGuffin will be free to use (it's a non-profit 
>venture), and available as a website, and an app on iOS and Android.
>
>As all the work on MacGuffin is in text and 
>audio form we particularly hope that it will be 
>of interest to blind and visually impaired 
>readers and writers, and would love to know what you think.
>
>It's released as an invitational beta at the end 
>of April. If you'd like to have a play on it, 
>please email 
><mailto:sam at macguffin.io>sam at macguffin.io. More 
>info at <http://www.macguffin.io/>www.macguffin.io.
>
>Many thanks,
>
>
>Samantha Clark
>Content Development
>
>
><http://macguffin.io/>
>[]
>
>
><http://macguffin.io/>macguffin.io
><https://twitter.com/TheMacGuffin>@TheMacGuffin
><http://macguffinblog.com/about/>The MacGuffin Blog
>
>MacGuffin is a digital R&D collaboration between 
>Comma Press (lead partner), fffunction.co and 
>The Manchester Metropolitan University. 
>MacGuffin is supported by the 
><http://www.nesta.org.uk/project/digital-rd-fund-arts>Digital 
>R&D Fund for the Arts.
>
>Comma Press is a Company Limited By Guarantee 
>(run on a not-for-profit basis), Company Number 6390368.
>
>
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From cape.amanda at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 16:07:30 2015
From: cape.amanda at gmail.com (Amanda Cape)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 12:07:30 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Changing default font in word 2007 with jaws
In-Reply-To: <CAHox4DJNs7dNEQN3RJfcZofK0oxt=N-mZ7xOOumHKs5LECLyag@mail.gmail.com>
References: <32DEB18B-EAE9-4ADF-929B-5E9F8BE33FA8@gmail.com>
	<CAKMC2e4goK7S_7eF0qJw=OjxU6Ah_j5ELTVwoD+009Zrbux=Ew@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAHox4DJNs7dNEQN3RJfcZofK0oxt=N-mZ7xOOumHKs5LECLyag@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAL57mpGUnde6dw-0gSi58rcnkiPTs3jOcqTRNjWbay_b3H4L+A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, guys. Julie, that worked! :)

On 4/24/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Amanda,
>
> I also have Word 2007.  You should be able to hit Control D, set the
> font you want, and then tab to the default button.  It's right before
> the OK button in the dialog box.  It will ask you if you are sure you
> want to change the default font to whatever you've chosen.  I would
> try that, exit out of a document, and then open a new one to test the
> process, but it looks like it will work.
>
> On 4/23/15, James Hulme via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello amanda
>>
>> that version is old
>>
>> James Twoodsy Stuckyville
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2015 at 9:21 PM, Amanda via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>> How do I change my default font to times new roman 12 with jaws in word
>>> 2007? I tried to but couldn't find the set default buttons or boxes.
>>>
>>> Amanda
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jim.hulme%40gmail.com
>>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> Julie McGinnity
> National Federation of the Blind of Missouri second vice president,
> National Federation of the Blind performing arts division secretary,
> Missouri Association of Guide dog Users President
> graduate, Guiding Eyes for the Blind 2008, 2014
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 18:05:18 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:05:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook application
Message-ID: <1FE9EBC7-C009-4524-9558-A5FDA1E1D6EF@gmail.com>

Hi all,
I was wondering if anyone could give me any suggestions regarding the Facebook app for the iPhone? I just upgraded to the latest iOS and am not able to read my notification list and my Facebook app. I had this issue before upgrading and a friend of mine suggested that I upgrade and I also uninstall and reinstall the app and I'm still having the same issue. Is there anything I can do? Thank you for any advice or suggestions :-)
Gloria




From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Apr 24 18:11:58 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:11:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Facebook application
In-Reply-To: <1FE9EBC7-C009-4524-9558-A5FDA1E1D6EF@gmail.com>
References: <1FE9EBC7-C009-4524-9558-A5FDA1E1D6EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP70058074E5C76F673A44B9CEEC0@phx.gbl>

Hi Gloria, the best out of you and tell you to do right now is just look at your newsfeed. No notifications are messed up at this time and I'm really not for sure want to tell you.
Joseph Hudson
I device support
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
Face time and iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
Office phone
641-715-3900 x34315
Emergency line
641-715-3900 x5887652
Skype
joseph.hudson89

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 1:05 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I was wondering if anyone could give me any suggestions regarding the Facebook app for the iPhone? I just upgraded to the latest iOS and am not able to read my notification list and my Facebook app. I had this issue before upgrading and a friend of mine suggested that I upgrade and I also uninstall and reinstall the app and I'm still having the same issue. Is there anything I can do? Thank you for any advice or suggestions :-)
> Gloria
> 
> 
> 
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From jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu  Fri Apr 24 18:35:48 2015
From: jab2bs at mtmail.mtsu.edu (James Alan Boehm)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 18:35:48 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] work Arounds For Facebook
Message-ID: <0E034783-9AAE-4FC5-9F4B-F6F6DE174CCD@mtmail.mtsu.edu>

Dear friends!
	 For all those frustrated at Facebook's update being more of a downdate... you can try the app Facely in teh app store. It is free and is accessible. Yo can access notifications, messages, feeds etc. I hope this helps. You may  like Facely' even better!
Best,

James Alan Boehm
Phone: 901-483-1515
Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
Refer NFB correspondences to:
secretary at nfb-tn.org

"Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"

From gloria.graves at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 18:48:03 2015
From: gloria.graves at gmail.com (Gloria Graves)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 13:48:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] work Arounds For Facebook
In-Reply-To: <0E034783-9AAE-4FC5-9F4B-F6F6DE174CCD@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
References: <0E034783-9AAE-4FC5-9F4B-F6F6DE174CCD@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
Message-ID: <DC0DD749-C01C-462C-ADE9-58C48658ABE3@gmail.com>

Hi,
Thank you for the suggestion, but wanted to make sure, this is a Facebook app right? Meaning that I will be able to still have all my Facebook friends on this app that you suggested, right? Thanks so much this Facebook thing is a bit new to me LOL



> On Apr 24, 2015, at 1:35 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear friends!
>     For all those frustrated at Facebook's update being more of a downdate... you can try the app Facely in teh app store. It is free and is accessible. Yo can access notifications, messages, feeds etc. I hope this helps. You may  like Facely' even better!
> Best,
> 
> James Alan Boehm
> Phone: 901-483-1515
> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
> Refer NFB correspondences to:
> secretary at nfb-tn.org
> 
> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
> _______________________________________________
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Apr 24 19:23:35 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 14:23:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] work Arounds For Facebook
In-Reply-To: <DC0DD749-C01C-462C-ADE9-58C48658ABE3@gmail.com>
References: <0E034783-9AAE-4FC5-9F4B-F6F6DE174CCD@mtmail.mtsu.edu>
	<DC0DD749-C01C-462C-ADE9-58C48658ABE3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU437-SMTP853E4461AF1FC9DE599A4BCEEC0@phx.gbl>

Hello yes, it is a Facebook app. I haven't looked at it myself but I hear it's pretty good. I'm still too lazy to try other apps the only apps I use, for Facebook. Or Facebook for iPhone, and messenger.
Joseph Hudson
I device support
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
Face time and iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
Office phone
641-715-3900 x34315
Emergency line
641-715-3900 x5887652
Skype
joseph.hudson89

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 1:48 PM, Gloria Graves via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> Thank you for the suggestion, but wanted to make sure, this is a Facebook app right? Meaning that I will be able to still have all my Facebook friends on this app that you suggested, right? Thanks so much this Facebook thing is a bit new to me LOL
> 
> 
> 
>> On Apr 24, 2015, at 1:35 PM, James Alan Boehm via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Dear friends!
>>    For all those frustrated at Facebook's update being more of a downdate... you can try the app Facely in teh app store. It is free and is accessible. Yo can access notifications, messages, feeds etc. I hope this helps. You may  like Facely' even better!
>> Best,
>> 
>> James Alan Boehm
>> Phone: 901-483-1515
>> Personal Email: jimmydagerman80 at gmail.com
>> Refer NFB correspondences to:
>> secretary at nfb-tn.org
>> 
>> "Blindness never limits- Low expectations do! Live the life you want!"
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
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From grassflower111 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 24 21:58:59 2015
From: grassflower111 at gmail.com (Trinh)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 16:58:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking Physics class online
Message-ID: <20150424215859.grassflower111@gmail.com>

Hi all, 
 Hope everyone is doing well. I'm hoping to get some feedback on the accessibility of online courses. Is it possible to do Physical Science online with JAWS?  
 Thank you.                 


From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Sat Apr 25 00:57:25 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 20:57:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] taking Physics class online
In-Reply-To: <20150424215859.grassflower111@gmail.com>
References: <20150424215859.grassflower111@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <600C011F-0123-4F37-B7ED-4ADD9A057535@aol.com>

Hi Trinh, 
If you are taking a physical science course like earth science I would venture to say you should be able to complete the course on line. A course like astronomy however, may be more difficult.
I would check to see what the course requirements are before committing to a more challenging format such as on line. If it's just reading and writing reports you should be fine.


Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 24, 27 Heisei, at 5:58 PM, Trinh via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all, 
> Hope everyone is doing well. I'm hoping to get some feedback on the accessibility of online courses. Is it possible to do Physical Science online with JAWS?  
> Thank you.                 
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 04:48:53 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 00:48:53 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a new Nfb mailing list
In-Reply-To: <631DCD5F-3203-47F9-B609-374C169EABF8@gmail.com>
References: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>
	<631DCD5F-3203-47F9-B609-374C169EABF8@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZbc0W3Lq3Jdaja6kYRvwLW6C3PAKZJFkPwzr8J4EK9hQ@mail.gmail.com>

I have to agree here. Orientation and mobility is relevant to topics that
are discussed on existing list. Navigating college campuses, for example,
comes up on nabs pretty frequently. It is a relevant aspects of student
life. Questions for professionals can be asked over the professionals in
Blaine this education list. State student division list are also acceptable
places for these questions. If enough people feel there is a need for it
that's fine, but I don't think they're necessarily needs to be a list for
it served for every special topic. Every list needs moderators, upkeep, and
attention in order to be successful. Just something to keep in mind.

On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello,
> What types of things do you think need to be discussed on such a list that
> can't be discussed on pre-existing lists?
>  Best,
> Darian
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Students,
> >
> > I'd like to see a new list created on the Nfb net server where topics
> regarding orientation and mobility such as cane travel and public
> transportation can be discussed.  I emailed David Andrews regarding this
> yesterday but he told me that asking is not en.  Are there any other steps
> that I have to take? Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org <javascript:;>
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> >
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>
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-- 
Kaiti

From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 04:54:56 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian)
Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2015 21:54:56 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a new Nfb mailing list
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FZbc0W3Lq3Jdaja6kYRvwLW6C3PAKZJFkPwzr8J4EK9hQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>
	<631DCD5F-3203-47F9-B609-374C169EABF8@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZbc0W3Lq3Jdaja6kYRvwLW6C3PAKZJFkPwzr8J4EK9hQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FE36F4F-1071-413A-A1C4-10E094963337@gmail.com>

If I might add, i'm not even sure that the professionals in blindness education would be a good list because that is more for professionals in the field I gather. 
Pre-existing lists such as the ones previously mentioned work quite well for these things.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 24, 2015, at 9:48 PM, Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have to agree here. Orientation and mobility is relevant to topics that are discussed on existing list. Navigating college campuses, for example, comes up on nabs pretty frequently. It is a relevant aspects of student life. Questions for professionals can be asked over the professionals in Blaine this education list. State student division list are also acceptable places for these questions. If enough people feel there is a need for it that's fine, but I don't think they're necessarily needs to be a list for it served for every special topic. Every list needs moderators, upkeep, and attention in order to be successful. Just something to keep in mind.
> 
>> On Wednesday, April 22, 2015, Darian via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> What types of things do you think need to be discussed on such a list that can't be discussed on pre-existing lists?
>>  Best,
>> Darian
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> > On Apr 22, 2015, at 11:11 AM, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Dear Students,
>> >
>> > I'd like to see a new list created on the Nfb net server where topics regarding orientation and mobility such as cane travel and public transportation can be discussed.  I emailed David Andrews regarding this yesterday but he told me that asking is not en.  Are there any other steps that I have to take? Thanks and I hope to hear from you soon.
>> >
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 12:47:10 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 08:47:10 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
Message-ID: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>

On SeroTalk 227 we featured an article contemplating whether or not Braille
was headed for obsolescence. The idea is not a new one. Everyone can agree
technology is reshaping the way a blind person consumes information, but the
debate prompts a larger question about whether or not there is a link
between Braille and literacy. This point has also made its way around the
block but is still igniting heated responses.

The question could boil down to this: If you are a blind individual unable
to read printed information, are you illiterate if you cannot read Braille?

In today's politically correct and overly polite society it's easy to
express hesitant opinions that fear offending opposing viewpoints. These
opinions are sadly watered down and do nothing to stretch our intelligence.
I have no interest in offending anyone, but as someone who has a high regard
for your intellect, and as someone who enjoys spirited debate, I trust you
will take me to task, and back up your arguments, if you disagree with my
opinion that you would indeed be illiterate.

Read more, and leave your own comments at:

http://serotalk.com/2015/04/22/no-braille-no-literacy/comment-page-1/#commen
t-716488

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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 15:51:52 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 11:51:52 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Creating a new Nfb mailing list
In-Reply-To: <9FE36F4F-1071-413A-A1C4-10E094963337@gmail.com>
References: <5537e475.ce908c0a.1c91.5cdd@mx.google.com>
	<631DCD5F-3203-47F9-B609-374C169EABF8@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7FZbc0W3Lq3Jdaja6kYRvwLW6C3PAKZJFkPwzr8J4EK9hQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<9FE36F4F-1071-413A-A1C4-10E094963337@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BED92AC4-3D07-41BD-A7E4-EA81C617582A@hotmail.com>

Hello Darian. How are you?
Please email back if you wish.



From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 18:18:56 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 14:18:56 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <EC0AC9F4-2733-4D7E-A546-54A9DA32C401@hotmail.com>

I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
If anyone disagrees that is fine.
All of us have our own opinions.
This is just my thought on the matter.
Take care all,
Mabelin



From louvins at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 18:53:32 2015
From: louvins at gmail.com (Joshua Hendrickson)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:53:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <EC0AC9F4-2733-4D7E-A546-54A9DA32C401@hotmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
	<EC0AC9F4-2733-4D7E-A546-54A9DA32C401@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <CADUoy9uFcFrNV-qWUH3PJOOM9gEzsn9iuFuYYSMk0m4UBZUgbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi to Mabelin and all.  I agree with you.  I've gotten some of my
social security documents in braille.  They are pretty boring to read,
but I was informed when the money went up in price each month.
Getting braille documents would come in handy especially when it comes
to bills and bank statements.  I'd suggest that in todays age of
technology, if you can't get it in braille, try to get documents
online.  But, then there could be security risks involved if your
computer gets hacked.  If you got documents in braille, noone could
read them but you.

On 4/25/15, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind
> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
> sighted peers around us.
> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us.
> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
> All of us have our own opinions.
> This is just my thought on the matter.
> Take care all,
> Mabelin
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 20:07:17 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 13:07:17 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] pairing computer with braillenote
Message-ID: <553bf410.27876b0a.5671.ffffcc78@mx.google.com>

Hi, I installed the correct driver, followed the instructions to 
get connected but the computer says it's connected, but my 
braillenote doesn't detect the device.  I had my pc paired with 
my braillenote.  I went to the braille terminal and selected 
bluetooth.  I then astempted to install the driver and was 
successful.  I followed ablind the instruction from the internet 
without any luck.  What could my phoblem be?


From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 20:56:37 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:56:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>

I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
If anyone disagrees that is fine.
All of us have our own opinions.
This is just my thought on the matter.
Take care all,
Mabelin



From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sat Apr 25 21:03:58 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 16:03:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
	<886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU436-SMTP21170D4F1E0261DA8225835CEEB0@phx.gbl>

Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things in braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of money.
Joseph Hudson
I device support
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
Face time and iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
Office phone
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Emergency line
641-715-3900 x5887652
Skype
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> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
> All of us have our own opinions.
> This is just my thought on the matter.
> Take care all,
> Mabelin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Sat Apr 25 23:52:00 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 19:52:00 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <BLU436-SMTP21170D4F1E0261DA8225835CEEB0@phx.gbl>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>	<886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP21170D4F1E0261DA8225835CEEB0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002701d07fb2$d2e602e0$78b208a0$@gmail.com>

I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay that
kind of money. LOL


--
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www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things in
braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
money.
Joseph Hudson
I device support
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> Face time and iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> Office phone
641-715-3900 x34315
Emergency line
641-715-3900 x5887652
Skype
joseph.hudson89

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind
folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
sighted peers around us.
> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us.
Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
> All of us have our own opinions.
> This is just my thought on the matter.
> Take care all,
> Mabelin
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 00:02:27 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:02:27 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <002701d07fb2$d2e602e0$78b208a0$@gmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
	<886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP21170D4F1E0261DA8225835CEEB0@phx.gbl>
	<002701d07fb2$d2e602e0$78b208a0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDcZX8Ge3zBbOsF_JrTaJjiFYjFmKbpAW+hH4x2rNT_cw@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
Best, Arielle

On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
> that
> kind of money. LOL
>
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>
> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
> in
> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
> money.
> Joseph Hudson
> I device support
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> Face time and iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> Office phone
> 641-715-3900 x34315
> Emergency line
> 641-715-3900 x5887652
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
>
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>> blind
> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
> sighted peers around us.
>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>> us.
> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>> All of us have our own opinions.
>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>> Take care all,
>> Mabelin
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 00:15:29 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 17:15:29 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJDcZX8Ge3zBbOsF_JrTaJjiFYjFmKbpAW+hH4x2rNT_cw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005301d07f55$f24fad00$d6ef0700$@gmail.com>
	<886BFF97-2873-4E21-89E7-34F07E039FB4@hotmail.com>
	<BLU436-SMTP21170D4F1E0261DA8225835CEEB0@phx.gbl>
	<002701d07fb2$d2e602e0$78b208a0$@gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJDcZX8Ge3zBbOsF_JrTaJjiFYjFmKbpAW+hH4x2rNT_cw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <082647CC-483A-40C7-BBB7-0D39B220CEFE@gmail.com>

Hi all,
 I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
 
   Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
  Darian      
> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
> Best, Arielle
> 
> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>> that
>> kind of money. LOL
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>> 
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>> 
>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>> in
>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>> money.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> I device support
>> Email
>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> Face time and iMessage
>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> Office phone
>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>> Emergency line
>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>> 
>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>> blind
>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>> sighted peers around us.
>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>> us.
>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>> Take care all,
>>> Mabelin
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Sun Apr 26 01:51:46 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:51:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad.
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> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
> 
>   Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>  Darian      
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>> Best, Arielle
>> 
>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>> that
>>> kind of money. LOL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/>
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>> 
>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>> in
>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>> money.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> I device support
>>> Email
>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and iMessage
>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone
>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>> Emergency line
>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>> blind
>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>> us.
>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>> Take care all,
>>>> Mabelin
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sun Apr 26 02:17:39 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 02:17:39 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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	I am going to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because I disagree with the common conception of ‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I want it to be clear that I believe, having the ability to read braille is not only important, but also vital for any visually impaired individual’s success. With that said:

The definition of literate, as according to wikctionary is, “Able to read and write; having literacy,” or “Knowledgeable in literature, writing; literary; well-read.”

	I believe, as per the first definition, it is clear that in order for a blind person to be literate, they must be able to read braille. After all, their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, and as was pointed out, in order to know the fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person must have first-hand knowledge of what it looks like (no pun intended).
	With that said, however, I believe the first definition is archaic and thus, quickly becoming the subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic (which, I have found actually has its own braille code), Chinese, English grades one and two, and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer to listen to all of my books. It makes the reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be more done. For example, just today, I have read seven books, all of which are more than three hundred pages long. I do not know of a sighted or blind person, who could duplicate that via print or braille.
	The largest problem with accepting listing as a form of literacy comes in the form so a person having readily accessible means. That is to say, it is very possible that something drastic might happen, where electricity is removed, causing a person to no longer have access to their device, which would make them incapable of either definitions (1) or (2). Then again, if that happens, a braille reader would be at the same disadvantage, because sighted people would be far too busy to emboss things via a Perkins braille, and without their assistance, blind individuals could not produce their texts either.
	I am probably just being cynical, but I still see, regardless of the strives we have been able to make, a necessary dependency upon those who can see. Certainly though, this will not always be the case. I suggest that, as a community, we do not weigh the two forms of information-take in against each other, but instead advocate for a combination of the two. Braille and auditory reading.

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joseph Hudson via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:51 PM
To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad.
Joseph Hudson
I device support
Email
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> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
>
>   Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>  Darian
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>> Best, Arielle
>>
>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>> that
>>> kind of money. LOL
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/>
>>>
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>>
>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>> in
>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>> money.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> I device support
>>> Email
>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and iMessage
>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone
>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>> Emergency line
>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>
>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>> blind
>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>> us.
>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>> Take care all,
>>>> Mabelin
>>>>
>>>>
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From jordystringer83 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 02:25:03 2015
From: jordystringer83 at gmail.com (Jordy Stringer)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 22:25:03 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Salutations, I hope this message finds everyone doing well.
From The production perspective is a great deal more costly than a refreshable braille device at the end of the day. One textbook could theoretically consist of more than 2500 print pages would be double that size in braille. I have not seen a fee scale for a braille embossing job in several years, so my numbers may be a bit off, but at that time it was estimated that to produce just one side of non-interpoint braille would cost approximately $2.25 per page, and I believe this estimate was the lower end. Keeping this in mind, it is definitely more cost-effective to have a refreshable braille device as opposed to thousands of braille pages. From a consumer perspective the affordability of said devices is a whole Nother can of worms. 

Jordy D. Stringer Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 8:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
> 
>   Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>  Darian      
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>> Best, Arielle
>> 
>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>> that
>>> kind of money. LOL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>> 
>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>> via nabs-l
>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>> 
>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>> in
>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>> money.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> I device support
>>> Email
>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> Face time and iMessage
>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> Office phone
>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>> Emergency line
>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>> Skype
>>> joseph.hudson89
>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>> blind
>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>> us.
>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>> Take care all,
>>>> Mabelin
>>>> 
>>>> 
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From bendallin at outlook.com  Sun Apr 26 03:36:13 2015
From: bendallin at outlook.com (Ben Dallin)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 20:36:13 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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This is an interesting discusssion, and one I definitely have some opinions about. My guess is that some will think I'm splitting hairs, but I think there is an important difference between reading a book, and listening to a book, and the two expressions are not interchangeable. If you are listening to a book read by a human narrator or a computer, you yourself are not reading. Reading  involves translating certain symbols, whether they be print or braille, into language. That is being done by the narrator or computer if you are listening to a book. And let me be clear, if I have to get through a vast amount of material, I will listen to the material on a device where the speech can be greatly sped up. However, if I have my druthers, I will prefer to actually read the book in braille. I find I am more engaged with the text and my comprehension 
and recall improves. I am also able to project my own voice to the material, rather than hearing it through another.
This is not to criticize at all people who would rather listen to books instead of read them. If someone cannot use print or braille however, they are still incredibly disadvantaged if they completely rely on audio, and I could not consider such a person to be literate, based  on the widely used and accepted definition. This happens in every day life, not just during a hypothetical catastrophe. Lectures and meetings, where it may be important to take down and read information, while still being able to listen to speakers or presenters, are prime examples.
My take home message is simply that if you cannot read print, there is no way to be truly literate unless you know braille. Technology has given us access to much more material, some of it not available through braille, but I think it's not the same as reading,  and there could be  some dangers in equating listening with reading.
The high cost of braille, whether being produced in hard copy, or in purchasing a braille display, may be a roadblock to wider literacy among the blind and is not a factor I had considered much, but it sounds like it could be true and hopefully technology, as it has done so far, will continue to provide opportunities for braille to become more available, as well as cheaper to produce. 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>    I am going to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because I disagree with the common conception of ‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I want it to be clear that I believe, having the ability to read braille is not only important, but also vital for any visually impaired individual’s success. With that said:
> 
> The definition of literate, as according to wikctionary is, “Able to read and write; having literacy,” or “Knowledgeable in literature, writing; literary; well-read.”
> 
>    I believe, as per the first definition, it is clear that in order for a blind person to be literate, they must be able to read braille. After all, their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, and as was pointed out, in order to know the fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person must have first-hand knowledge of what it looks like (no pun intended).
>    With that said, however, I believe the first definition is archaic and thus, quickly becoming the subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic (which, I have found actually has its own braille code), Chinese, English grades one and two, and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer to listen to all of my books. It makes the reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be more done. For example, just today, I have read seven books, all of which are more than three hundred pages long. I do not know of a sighted or blind person, who could duplicate that via print or braille.
>    The largest problem with accepting listing as a form of literacy comes in the form so a person having readily accessible means. That is to say, it is very possible that something drastic might happen, where electricity is removed, causing a person to no longer have access to their device, which would make them incapable of either definitions (1) or (2). Then again, if that happens, a braille reader would be at the same disadvantage, because sighted people would be far too busy to emboss things via a Perkins braille, and without their assistance, blind individuals could not produce their texts either.
>    I am probably just being cynical, but I still see, regardless of the strives we have been able to make, a necessary dependency upon those who can see. Certainly though, this will not always be the case. I suggest that, as a community, we do not weigh the two forms of information-take in against each other, but instead advocate for a combination of the two. Braille and auditory reading.
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joseph Hudson via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:51 PM
> To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
> 
> Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad.
> Joseph Hudson
> I device support
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> Face time and iMessage
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> 641-715-3900 x34315
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> 641-715-3900 x5887652
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> 
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
>> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
>> 
>>  Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>> Darian
>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>>> Best, Arielle
>>> 
>>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>>> that
>>>> kind of money. LOL
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> --
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>>>> 
>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>>> via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>>> 
>>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>>> in
>>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>>> money.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> I device support
>>>> Email
>>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and iMessage
>>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone
>>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>>> Emergency line
>>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>>> Skype
>>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>> 
>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>>> blind
>>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>>> us.
>>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>>> Take care all,
>>>>> Mabelin
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Sun Apr 26 04:10:35 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 04:10:35 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Hello Ben,
	It has been a while! I remember discussing this with you at the Nevada state convention back in November, and I apologize if you already answered these questions for me before:
(1)	In the instance where an individual is an auditory learner, and not a kinesthetic learner, would you still dismiss auditory intake as literacy? Essentially, having the ability to read the braille would be a form of kinesthetic learning, because you are physically translating the symbols, whereas someone who is an auditory learner would have more difficulties processing the information, even if they were able to read the braille, because they just learn better through auditory means.
(2)	Would not an interpretation of auditory symbols be a form of symbolic interpretation? That is to say, if reading were merely the translation of symbols into language, would not listening to words be a quicker transformation of the interpretation of the symbols? True, the individual does not have to ‘read’ the original source material, but they still have to interpret the information, and organize it into comprehensible order within their minds.
I think another important thing to remember, in the favor of braille being a substitution instance of literacy is, technology often fails, while braille rarely does. In other words, battery life of devices can be short, or electronic devices can be fried by water or other environmental disturbances. Conversely, braille could become warn after enough use, or if it is not taken care of; however, it is less likely to occur than the technology failing on people. I do not know, it seems to be a compelling reason to learn, if only because it provides more reassurance of sustained dependency…
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun

________________________________________
From: Ben Dallin [bendallin at outlook.com]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:36 PM
To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Joseph Hudson
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

This is an interesting discusssion, and one I definitely have some opinions about. My guess is that some will think I'm splitting hairs, but I think there is an important difference between reading a book, and listening to a book, and the two expressions are not interchangeable. If you are listening to a book read by a human narrator or a computer, you yourself are not reading. Reading  involves translating certain symbols, whether they be print or braille, into language. That is being done by the narrator or computer if you are listening to a book. And let me be clear, if I have to get through a vast amount of material, I will listen to the material on a device where the speech can be greatly sped up. However, if I have my druthers, I will prefer to actually read the book in braille. I find I am more engaged with the text and my comprehension
and recall improves. I am also able to project my own voice to the material, rather than hearing it through another.
This is not to criticize at all people who would rather listen to books instead of read them. If someone cannot use print or braille however, they are still incredibly disadvantaged if they completely rely on audio, and I could not consider such a person to be literate, based  on the widely used and accepted definition. This happens in every day life, not just during a hypothetical catastrophe. Lectures and meetings, where it may be important to take down and read information, while still being able to listen to speakers or presenters, are prime examples.
My take home message is simply that if you cannot read print, there is no way to be truly literate unless you know braille. Technology has given us access to much more material, some of it not available through braille, but I think it's not the same as reading,  and there could be  some dangers in equating listening with reading.
The high cost of braille, whether being produced in hard copy, or in purchasing a braille display, may be a roadblock to wider literacy among the blind and is not a factor I had considered much, but it sounds like it could be true and hopefully technology, as it has done so far, will continue to provide opportunities for braille to become more available, as well as cheaper to produce.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>    I am going to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because I disagree with the common conception of ‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I want it to be clear that I believe, having the ability to read braille is not only important, but also vital for any visually impaired individual’s success. With that said:
>
> The definition of literate, as according to wikctionary is, “Able to read and write; having literacy,” or “Knowledgeable in literature, writing; literary; well-read.”
>
>    I believe, as per the first definition, it is clear that in order for a blind person to be literate, they must be able to read braille. After all, their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, and as was pointed out, in order to know the fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person must have first-hand knowledge of what it looks like (no pun intended).
>    With that said, however, I believe the first definition is archaic and thus, quickly becoming the subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic (which, I have found actually has its own braille code), Chinese, English grades one and two, and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer to listen to all of my books. It makes the reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be more done. For example, just today, I have read seven books, all of which are more than three hundred pages long. I do not know of a sighted or blind person, who could duplicate that via print or braille.
>    The largest problem with accepting listing as a form of literacy comes in the form so a person having readily accessible means. That is to say, it is very possible that something drastic might happen, where electricity is removed, causing a person to no longer have access to their device, which would make them incapable of either definitions (1) or (2). Then again, if that happens, a braille reader would be at the same disadvantage, because sighted people would be far too busy to emboss things via a Perkins braille, and without their assistance, blind individuals could not produce their texts either.
>    I am probably just being cynical, but I still see, regardless of the strives we have been able to make, a necessary dependency upon those who can see. Certainly though, this will not always be the case. I suggest that, as a community, we do not weigh the two forms of information-take in against each other, but instead advocate for a combination of the two. Braille and auditory reading.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joseph Hudson via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:51 PM
> To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>
> Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad.
> Joseph Hudson
> I device support
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> Face time and iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
> Office phone
> 641-715-3900 x34315
> Emergency line
> 641-715-3900 x5887652
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89
>
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
>> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
>>
>>  Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>> Darian
>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>>> Best, Arielle
>>>
>>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>>> that
>>>> kind of money. LOL
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
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>>>> via nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>>>
>>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>>> in
>>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>>> money.
>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>> I device support
>>>> Email
>>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and iMessage
>>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone
>>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>>> Emergency line
>>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>>> Skype
>>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>>
>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>>> blind
>>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>>> us.
>>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>>> Take care all,
>>>>> Mabelin
>>>>>
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 04:38:38 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sat, 25 Apr 2015 21:38:38 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Hi all. To be clear, I often take in information by listening, both as
a matter of availability and efficiency. However, the fact that
listening can sometimes be a useful substitute for print doesn't
negate my original point: We don't consider listening to be a viable
substitute for print reading in the sighted world, so why should we
change our standards and allow blind people to read by listening
alone? We could just replace all print material in the world with
text-to-speech, but we don't, because we place cultural value on the
written word, and most sighted people process information better when
it is read. Even "auditory learners" in our society are expected to
read at least some print unless they have a severe reading disability
(and even then, they are expected to read road signs and the like). It
needn't be any different for the blind.
And, my point about refreshable Braille being more affordable than
hard copy Braille was from the production perspective, not the
consumer perspective. If a school district could choose to hire a ton
of transcription or buy a few refreshable Braille displays, the latter
option would cost less. I also hope that in the coming decades, the
cost of refreshable Braille will go down.
Arielle

On 4/25/15, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Ben,
> 	It has been a while! I remember discussing this with you at the Nevada
> state convention back in November, and I apologize if you already answered
> these questions for me before:
> (1)	In the instance where an individual is an auditory learner, and not a
> kinesthetic learner, would you still dismiss auditory intake as literacy?
> Essentially, having the ability to read the braille would be a form of
> kinesthetic learning, because you are physically translating the symbols,
> whereas someone who is an auditory learner would have more difficulties
> processing the information, even if they were able to read the braille,
> because they just learn better through auditory means.
> (2)	Would not an interpretation of auditory symbols be a form of symbolic
> interpretation? That is to say, if reading were merely the translation of
> symbols into language, would not listening to words be a quicker
> transformation of the interpretation of the symbols? True, the individual
> does not have to ‘read’ the original source material, but they still have to
> interpret the information, and organize it into comprehensible order within
> their minds.
> I think another important thing to remember, in the favor of braille being a
> substitution instance of literacy is, technology often fails, while braille
> rarely does. In other words, battery life of devices can be short, or
> electronic devices can be fried by water or other environmental
> disturbances. Conversely, braille could become warn after enough use, or if
> it is not taken care of; however, it is less likely to occur than the
> technology failing on people. I do not know, it seems to be a compelling
> reason to learn, if only because it provides more reassurance of sustained
> dependency…
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
>
> ________________________________________
> From: Ben Dallin [bendallin at outlook.com]
> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:36 PM
> To: Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Joseph Hudson
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>
> This is an interesting discusssion, and one I definitely have some opinions
> about. My guess is that some will think I'm splitting hairs, but I think
> there is an important difference between reading a book, and listening to a
> book, and the two expressions are not interchangeable. If you are listening
> to a book read by a human narrator or a computer, you yourself are not
> reading. Reading  involves translating certain symbols, whether they be
> print or braille, into language. That is being done by the narrator or
> computer if you are listening to a book. And let me be clear, if I have to
> get through a vast amount of material, I will listen to the material on a
> device where the speech can be greatly sped up. However, if I have my
> druthers, I will prefer to actually read the book in braille. I find I am
> more engaged with the text and my comprehension
> and recall improves. I am also able to project my own voice to the material,
> rather than hearing it through another.
> This is not to criticize at all people who would rather listen to books
> instead of read them. If someone cannot use print or braille however, they
> are still incredibly disadvantaged if they completely rely on audio, and I
> could not consider such a person to be literate, based  on the widely used
> and accepted definition. This happens in every day life, not just during a
> hypothetical catastrophe. Lectures and meetings, where it may be important
> to take down and read information, while still being able to listen to
> speakers or presenters, are prime examples.
> My take home message is simply that if you cannot read print, there is no
> way to be truly literate unless you know braille. Technology has given us
> access to much more material, some of it not available through braille, but
> I think it's not the same as reading,  and there could be  some dangers in
> equating listening with reading.
> The high cost of braille, whether being produced in hard copy, or in
> purchasing a braille display, may be a roadblock to wider literacy among the
> blind and is not a factor I had considered much, but it sounds like it could
> be true and hopefully technology, as it has done so far, will continue to
> provide opportunities for braille to become more available, as well as
> cheaper to produce.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>>    I am going to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because I disagree
>> with the common conception of ‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I want
>> it to be clear that I believe, having the ability to read braille is not
>> only important, but also vital for any visually impaired individual’s
>> success. With that said:
>>
>> The definition of literate, as according to wikctionary is, “Able to read
>> and write; having literacy,” or “Knowledgeable in literature, writing;
>> literary; well-read.”
>>
>>    I believe, as per the first definition, it is clear that in order for a
>> blind person to be literate, they must be able to read braille. After all,
>> their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, and as was pointed out, in
>> order to know the fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person must
>> have first-hand knowledge of what it looks like (no pun intended).
>>    With that said, however, I believe the first definition is archaic and
>> thus, quickly becoming the subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to
>> read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic (which, I have found
>> actually has its own braille code), Chinese, English grades one and two,
>> and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer to listen to all of my books. It
>> makes the reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be more done. For
>> example, just today, I have read seven books, all of which are more than
>> three hundred pages long. I do not know of a sighted or blind person, who
>> could duplicate that via print or braille.
>>    The largest problem with accepting listing as a form of literacy comes
>> in the form so a person having readily accessible means. That is to say,
>> it is very possible that something drastic might happen, where electricity
>> is removed, causing a person to no longer have access to their device,
>> which would make them incapable of either definitions (1) or (2). Then
>> again, if that happens, a braille reader would be at the same
>> disadvantage, because sighted people would be far too busy to emboss
>> things via a Perkins braille, and without their assistance, blind
>> individuals could not produce their texts either.
>>    I am probably just being cynical, but I still see, regardless of the
>> strives we have been able to make, a necessary dependency upon those who
>> can see. Certainly though, this will not always be the case. I suggest
>> that, as a community, we do not weigh the two forms of information-take in
>> against each other, but instead advocate for a combination of the two.
>> Braille and auditory reading.
>>
>> ________________________________________
>> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joseph Hudson via
>> nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:51 PM
>> To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>
>> Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's
>> finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology
>> is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to
>> a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what
>> they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone,
>> and my iPad.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> I device support
>> Email
>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
>> Face time and iMessage
>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
>> Office phone
>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>> Emergency line
>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89
>>
>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
>>> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make
>>> access to braille more  affordable?
>>>
>>>  Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who
>>> wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes
>>> braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>>> Darian
>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>>>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>>>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>>>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>>>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>>>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>>>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>>>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>>>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>>>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>>>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>>>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>>>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>>>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>>>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>>>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>>>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>>>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>>>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>>>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>>>> Best, Arielle
>>>>
>>>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me
>>>>> pay
>>>>> that
>>>>> kind of money. LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ <http://www.joeorozco.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org
>>>>> <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
>>>>> via nabs-l
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing
>>>>> list
>>>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce
>>>>> things
>>>>> in
>>>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my
>>>>> cable
>>>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind
>>>>> of
>>>>> money.
>>>>> Joseph Hudson
>>>>> I device support
>>>>> Email
>>>>> jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com <mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and
>>>>> iMessage
>>>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com
>>>>> <mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone
>>>>> 641-715-3900 x34315
>>>>> Emergency line
>>>>> 641-715-3900 x5887652
>>>>> Skype
>>>>> joseph.hudson89
>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>>>> blind
>>>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always
>>>>> have
>>>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> us.
>>>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it
>>>>> comes
>>>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>>>> Take care all,
>>>>>> Mabelin
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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From wmodnl at hotmail.com  Sun Apr 26 16:29:07 2015
From: wmodnl at hotmail.com (wmodnl wmodnl)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 12:29:07 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <EC0AC9F4-2733-4D7E-A546-54A9DA32C401@hotmail.com>
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It should always be an available option, just like alternative formats like audio or electronic documents. Then, we could all use whatever works for us.

> On Apr 25, 2015, at 2:19 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
> All of us have our own opinions.
> This is just my thought on the matter.
> Take care all,
> Mabelin
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Sun Apr 26 17:26:19 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 10:26:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Good morning, Mabelin,

         For me, the opposite has been true, with my trusting 
Ol'Sighty to interpret for me what I do not experience for myself, in 
the absence of an ocular input, since, of course, in order to 
"educate" Ol'Sighty as to our needs, we ought not waste resources on 
all kind of tech crap, just so we can claim we gained access to which 
ever material, "independently.""
I believe this is how it oughta be, I know that in some situations, I 
have functioning arms, legs and ears. I can also type albeit  most 
people, nowadays also type but we don't need a computer to perform 
those tasks with which a functioning pair of peepers can  help. I do 
not feel personally comfortable lecturing to Ol'Sighty about my 
abilities because I know that a most direct avenue of education is 
demonstration, action.
Car

put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about 
this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
> > We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read 
> things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very 
> accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply 
> in schools as well.
> > I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
> > If anyone disagrees that is fine.
> > All of us have our own opinions.
> > This is just my thought on the matter.
> > Take care all,
> > Mabelin
> >
> >
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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 22:12:14 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:12:14 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?NABS_Notes_=E2=80=94_Call_for_Announcements_fo?=
 =?utf-8?q?r_April?=
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Hello All, 
The NABS Communications Committee is looking for announcements for this month's edition of NABS notes. If your state student division has any updates to be included, please send them my way at hbwilliams16 at gmail.com . Please send them to me no later than this Wednesday, April 29 to be included. 
All Best, 
Hindley and the NABS Communications Committee       

Sent from my iPhone

From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Sun Apr 26 22:50:11 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 17:50:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
Message-ID: <037e01d08073$5ab37890$101a69b0$@gmail.com>

Hello. 

 I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this situation. There is a girl in
the building I live in who is deaf. She's very very nice and I think we
could be good friends. She comes up and grabs my hand and gives me a hug
sometimes. And though my other sighted friend doesn't know ASL she can tell
by gestures and facial  expressions what she's saying. Like she said I have
a pretty smile, pointed to her ring her boyfriend gave her and made a
breaking motion to  say they broke up. 

 Anyway I really want to learn to sign and communicate with her. My friend
and I have learned some signs off a website. I think learning sign is cool
because it helps with fine motor skills and body awareness. 

 Anyway was wondering if anyone has had the experience of signing with a
sighted person. I've seen some things about deaf blind people signing but in
this case my friend isn't blind so wonder if there's another way to go about
it. Or just any thoughts in general about learning to sign as a blind
person. 

 Thanks. 

 Sam



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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 01:17:23 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 21:17:23 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
In-Reply-To: <037e01d08073$5ab37890$101a69b0$@gmail.com>
References: <037e01d08073$5ab37890$101a69b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <057CD0A7-4564-40E3-AB8B-09BAF4A75926@aol.com>

Hi Sam,
I have been learning ASL for three years and love it. 
I usually have to feel the signs. I do this by placing my hands over the other person's hands carefully. Sometimes I can pick up the motion of larger signs and I can get the idea. If not I have to feel it.
To actually learn ASL so you can sign back you can have someone probably the girl would be best because she knows to manipulate your hands for you. That way you don't have to touch another person. You just have to be ok with being touched. I like this method much better.
Some YouTube videos are very descriptive along with apps for iOS. I know bookshare has an ASL book as well. 
I hope this helps.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 26, 27 Heisei, at 6:50 PM, Sam Nelson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello. 
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this situation. There is a girl in
> the building I live in who is deaf. She's very very nice and I think we
> could be good friends. She comes up and grabs my hand and gives me a hug
> sometimes. And though my other sighted friend doesn't know ASL she can tell
> by gestures and facial  expressions what she's saying. Like she said I have
> a pretty smile, pointed to her ring her boyfriend gave her and made a
> breaking motion to  say they broke up. 
> 
> Anyway I really want to learn to sign and communicate with her. My friend
> and I have learned some signs off a website. I think learning sign is cool
> because it helps with fine motor skills and body awareness. 
> 
> Anyway was wondering if anyone has had the experience of signing with a
> sighted person. I've seen some things about deaf blind people signing but in
> this case my friend isn't blind so wonder if there's another way to go about
> it. Or just any thoughts in general about learning to sign as a blind
> person. 
> 
> Thanks. 
> 
> Sam
> 
> 
> 
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Mon Apr 27 01:31:31 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 18:31:31 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
In-Reply-To: <037e01d08073$5ab37890$101a69b0$@gmail.com>
References: <037e01d08073$5ab37890$101a69b0$@gmail.com>
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Evening, Sam, I, too, have been intrigued by the idea of signing in 
which  the body is employed to convey things, so sensual, so 
inigmatic! However,, in my own case, I have a thing they are calling 
tactile appraxia, a ressult of brain damage, so am not too confident 
in my hand's ability to actualize intricate movements that are 
present, to the best of my own knowledge, in signing. By the way, 
though I believe I have retained all I ever knew of the braille code, 
appraxia has made actually bodily experiencing the tricky little 
braille caricters, I like to say, pretty much a pipedream!
Let us know if you get too much in to signing, and how it goes, won't you?
Car   At 03:50 PM 4/26/2015, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote:
>Hello.
>
>  I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this situation. There is a girl in
>the building I live in who is deaf. She's very very nice and I think we
>could be good friends. She comes up and grabs my hand and gives me a hug
>sometimes. And though my other sighted friend doesn't know ASL she can tell
>by gestures and facial  expressions what she's saying. Like she said I have
>a pretty smile, pointed to her ring her boyfriend gave her and made a
>breaking motion to  say they broke up.
>
>  Anyway I really want to learn to sign and communicate with her. My friend
>and I have learned some signs off a website. I think learning sign is cool
>because it helps with fine motor skills and body awareness.
>
>  Anyway was wondering if anyone has had the experience of signing with a
>sighted person. I've seen some things about deaf blind people signing but in
>this case my friend isn't blind so wonder if there's another way to go about
>it. Or just any thoughts in general about learning to sign as a blind
>person.
>
>  Thanks.
>
>  Sam
>
>
>
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From bridgetawalker13 at aol.com  Mon Apr 27 01:36:15 2015
From: bridgetawalker13 at aol.com (Bridget Walker)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 21:36:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
In-Reply-To: <SNT407-EAS27881B0E11587AA8AF32AD7DCEA0@phx.gbl>
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Hi all,
Of course I could not agree more. I believe with every fiber of my being every individual who is blind should know braille. In the past two years I have needed to really change modalities. It was not what I would have wanted but needed to do. 
I spent the first nine years of my life illiterate until I learned braille. When I was 19 I had to switch to a more electronic format because I just could not physically do it anymore. 
I use a braille display when I can and I love to have a page of quick notes for lesson plans in braille. 
I wish I could do more with the tactile representation of the english language that people seem to think is being pushed aside taken over by text to speech and audiobooks but it's not. 
I do not care what I go through in the next several years. I will find a way to make braille a part of my everyday life.
Bridget

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 26, 27 Heisei, at 1:26 PM, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good morning, Mabelin,
> 
>        For me, the opposite has been true, with my trusting Ol'Sighty to interpret for me what I do not experience for myself, in the absence of an ocular input, since, of course, in order to "educate" Ol'Sighty as to our needs, we ought not waste resources on all kind of tech crap, just so we can claim we gained access to which ever material, "independently.""
> I believe this is how it oughta be, I know that in some situations, I have functioning arms, legs and ears. I can also type albeit  most people, nowadays also type but we don't need a computer to perform those tasks with which a functioning pair of peepers can  help. I do not feel personally comfortable lecturing to Ol'Sighty about my abilities because I know that a most direct avenue of education is demonstration, action.
> Car
> 
> put on all documents that we blind folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have sighted peers around us.
>> > We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to us. Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>> > I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>> > If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>> > All of us have our own opinions.
>> > This is just my thought on the matter.
>> > Take care all,
>> > Mabelin
>> >
>> >
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 03:54:05 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 23:54:05 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
In-Reply-To: <553d91a6.ab00350a.5af0.ffffcd84SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFja7FbrGF4PyqTj5pWr433P9n82W0z=HEMLaoqYhMuvVy9APA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Sam,

I learned a little sign language in my freshman year of college (I'm a
junior now).  I was in a sign-singing choir where we signed the lyrics
to our audience.  It was an interesting group.

For me what helped was sitting near a friend or someone with more
experience in the class so they could physically manipulate my hands
into the correct signs.  I followed this up by making very detailed
notes about each sign on my BrailleSense and checking anything I
didn't quite understand with the professors after class.  One worked
with sign language a bit in a facility for those with severe
disabilities, and the other was an actual sign language interpreter.

Of course that situation was a bit different because we had to be very
concerned with timing in the music and used pieeon with no letter
signs at all, but it did teach me a few important things.  For
example, you have to be very careful and check your signs so they're
correct.  It's very easy to get something wrong, even if it's simple,
from someone's verbal explanation and sign something offensive.  I've
never done this in public, but we had a few good laughs at my expense
in rehearsals when I got signs wrong, most of the time with just a
finger out of place or something turned around a different way.  Also
remember that pigeon signs which are still used in ASL for words or
phrases may very from region to region.  They're kind of like changes
in dialect that us in the hearing community might use, or slang terms
that are specific to a given area.

Just food for thought.  Good luck and have fun learning.  Perhaps you
can ask the deaf girl to teach you herself by showing you signs and
then finger spelling what they mean.  It won't be fast, but it could
show her you're willing to learn and foster a good relationship
between the two of you.

On 4/26/15, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Evening, Sam, I, too, have been intrigued by the idea of signing in
> which  the body is employed to convey things, so sensual, so
> inigmatic! However,, in my own case, I have a thing they are calling
> tactile appraxia, a ressult of brain damage, so am not too confident
> in my hand's ability to actualize intricate movements that are
> present, to the best of my own knowledge, in signing. By the way,
> though I believe I have retained all I ever knew of the braille code,
> appraxia has made actually bodily experiencing the tricky little
> braille caricters, I like to say, pretty much a pipedream!
> Let us know if you get too much in to signing, and how it goes, won't you?
> Car   At 03:50 PM 4/26/2015, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hello.
>>
>>  I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this situation. There is a girl
>> in
>>the building I live in who is deaf. She's very very nice and I think we
>>could be good friends. She comes up and grabs my hand and gives me a hug
>>sometimes. And though my other sighted friend doesn't know ASL she can
>> tell
>>by gestures and facial  expressions what she's saying. Like she said I
>> have
>>a pretty smile, pointed to her ring her boyfriend gave her and made a
>>breaking motion to  say they broke up.
>>
>>  Anyway I really want to learn to sign and communicate with her. My
>> friend
>>and I have learned some signs off a website. I think learning sign is cool
>>because it helps with fine motor skills and body awareness.
>>
>>  Anyway was wondering if anyone has had the experience of signing with a
>>sighted person. I've seen some things about deaf blind people signing but
>> in
>>this case my friend isn't blind so wonder if there's another way to go
>> about
>>it. Or just any thoughts in general about learning to sign as a blind
>>person.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  Sam
>>
>>
>>
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 01:08:13 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sun, 26 Apr 2015 21:08:13 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
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Well, I think I've encountered my share of deaf people, I've always wanted to learn how to sign but no one ever  taught me how.
I hope someday I can learn.



From nelsonsam68 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 13:31:41 2015
From: nelsonsam68 at gmail.com (Sam Nelson)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 08:31:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend
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 Hey Kaitee, 
 Thanks for all this! When I was at a camp talent show an ASL interpreter,
that was her day job, decided to sign the words to this song that made her
think of this other guy and his wife where the guy had gone through cancer.
No one there was deaf but she did it because it looked really beautiful I
guess and was very touching. 
 Yes I've been trying to write down how to do the sign. Or I might have
someone talk into my  recorder while we're doing it to have some record to
look back on. Because  I've had someone show me something and then five
minutes later I'd forget. 
 LOL what signs did you mix up? 
  Sam

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Kaiti Shelton
via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, April 26, 2015 10:54 PM
To: Carly Mihalakis; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] wanting to learn to sign with a sighted friend

Hi, Sam,

I learned a little sign language in my freshman year of college (I'm a
junior now).  I was in a sign-singing choir where we signed the lyrics to
our audience.  It was an interesting group.

For me what helped was sitting near a friend or someone with more experience
in the class so they could physically manipulate my hands into the correct
signs.  I followed this up by making very detailed notes about each sign on
my BrailleSense and checking anything I didn't quite understand with the
professors after class.  One worked with sign language a bit in a facility
for those with severe disabilities, and the other was an actual sign
language interpreter.

Of course that situation was a bit different because we had to be very
concerned with timing in the music and used pieeon with no letter signs at
all, but it did teach me a few important things.  For example, you have to
be very careful and check your signs so they're correct.  It's very easy to
get something wrong, even if it's simple, from someone's verbal explanation
and sign something offensive.  I've never done this in public, but we had a
few good laughs at my expense in rehearsals when I got signs wrong, most of
the time with just a finger out of place or something turned around a
different way.  Also remember that pigeon signs which are still used in ASL
for words or phrases may very from region to region.  They're kind of like
changes in dialect that us in the hearing community might use, or slang
terms that are specific to a given area.

Just food for thought.  Good luck and have fun learning.  Perhaps you can
ask the deaf girl to teach you herself by showing you signs and then finger
spelling what they mean.  It won't be fast, but it could show her you're
willing to learn and foster a good relationship between the two of you.

On 4/26/15, Carly Mihalakis via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Evening, Sam, I, too, have been intrigued by the idea of signing in 
> which  the body is employed to convey things, so sensual, so 
> inigmatic! However,, in my own case, I have a thing they are calling 
> tactile appraxia, a ressult of brain damage, so am not too confident 
> in my hand's ability to actualize intricate movements that are 
> present, to the best of my own knowledge, in signing. By the way, 
> though I believe I have retained all I ever knew of the braille code, 
> appraxia has made actually bodily experiencing the tricky little 
> braille caricters, I like to say, pretty much a pipedream!
> Let us know if you get too much in to signing, and how it goes, won't you?
> Car   At 03:50 PM 4/26/2015, Sam Nelson via nabs-l wrote:
>>Hello.
>>
>>  I'm wondering if anyone has experienced this situation. There is a 
>>girl  in the building I live in who is deaf. She's very very nice and 
>>I think we could be good friends. She comes up and grabs my hand and 
>>gives me a hug sometimes. And though my other sighted friend doesn't 
>>know ASL she can  tell by gestures and facial  expressions what she's 
>>saying. Like she said I  have a pretty smile, pointed to her ring her 
>>boyfriend gave her and made a breaking motion to  say they broke up.
>>
>>  Anyway I really want to learn to sign and communicate with her. My  
>>friend and I have learned some signs off a website. I think learning 
>>sign is cool because it helps with fine motor skills and body 
>>awareness.
>>
>>  Anyway was wondering if anyone has had the experience of signing 
>>with a sighted person. I've seen some things about deaf blind people 
>>signing but  in this case my friend isn't blind so wonder if there's 
>>another way to go  about it. Or just any thoughts in general about 
>>learning to sign as a blind person.
>>
>>  Thanks.
>>
>>  Sam
>>
>>
>>
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From carlos.montas at att.net  Mon Apr 27 16:31:55 2015
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 12:31:55 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <13C137C0-EC77-47A0-B8D0-37BC864FDE02@att.net>

Good afternoon my name is Carlos Montas. I am a rehabilitation counselor working for the Division of Blind Services in Florida.  I am working on my masters in Rehabilitation counseling through the university of Kentucky the program is on line.  The university is going to be changing there online system from Blackboard which I had lots of problems to a new system called Canvas.  Does any one have experience using this system?  What about blackboard?  I use screen-reading technology such as jaws and I also use the Mac. Please write to me off list if possible.  I can be reached at carlos.montas at att.net I appreciate any assistance you all can provide.  I can also be reached by phone at 3055270192. Thanks again.  

Sent from my iPhone

From codyjbair at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 27 16:35:33 2015
From: codyjbair at yahoo.com (codyjbair at yahoo.com)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 16:35:33 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] =?utf-8?q?Introduction?=
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References: <13C137C0-EC77-47A0-B8D0-37BC864FDE02@att.net>
Message-ID: <16746.24286.bm@smtp226.mail.bf1.yahoo.com>





The university I attend uses canvas and I have not had any accessibility issues with it and JAWS.

Thanks,

Cody






From:via nabs-l
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To: Rebecca Leon via nabs-l





Good afternoon my name is Carlos Montas. I am a rehabilitation counselor working for the Division of Blind Services in Florida.  I am working on my masters in Rehabilitation counseling through the university of Kentucky the program is on line.  The university is going to be changing there online system from Blackboard which I had lots of problems to a new system called Canvas.  Does any one have experience using this system?  What about blackboard?  I use screen-reading technology such as jaws and I also use the Mac. Please write to me off list if possible.  I can be reached at carlos.montas at att.net I appreciate any assistance you all can provide.  I can also be reached by phone at 3055270192. Thanks again.  

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From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 17:45:57 2015
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:45:57 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating D.C. and Arlington, VA
Message-ID: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>

Hello

 

Been on the list before about housing, now asking for advice. 

 

I've been accepted to a summer internship with the National Association of
State Departments of Agriculture. I'm kind of late in asking this, but how
long does it take to orient a country bumpkin to living in D.C. and working
in an office in Arlington Virginia? My life is a long history of jumping
into things without comprehensive preparation, but it really just hit me
this morning how I've been living in the sticks for the past two years
without any real opportunity to use mobility skills. 

 

I received 14 wk of independent living training at the Carroll Center for
the Blind in 2013, and have lived and worked independently at Purdue
University for 8 wk during a summer internship. However, for the past two
years I've worked on a dairy farm in northern New Hampshire where the
ownership require I use sighted assistance whenever crossing. (Not that
sighted assistance equals safety) I've had more than one instance when ears
trumped eyes. And as for working around animals . I could tell some stories.
(Exasperated face)

 

But I digress. I've taken some preliminary steps, hired an O&M instructor,
contacted METRO and a METRO O&M instructor, had JAWS and Openbook installed
at my work computer in the Arlington office, and bought my apartment. I
planned a wk of orientation, both to the work and for O&M, but am not sure
it's enough. Part of my job is attending public hearings at the Capitol,
sometimes remotely, sometimes in person; and finding a strange place in a
strange city scares me. I've been to D.C. before, and the traffic
environment intimidates me. 

 

Words of wisdom, encouragement, and prayers are all welcome. (Smiling face)
Anyone in Arlington/D.C. area is also welcome to try to get in touch and get
together between May 18-Aug. 15. 

 

 

Zac

 

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 17:55:16 2015
From: zmason.northwindsfarm at gmail.com (Zach Mason)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:55:16 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Reaching Out to All Bull Dogs and Bull Dog Alumni!
Message-ID: <011401d08113$529a9ad0$f7cfd070$@gmail.com>

Hello, 

 

I've been accepted for an M.S. program in Mississippi State University's
Animal Dairy Science Department. I'll be visiting campus in May. If you are
a current student or alum of MSU, I would very much like to talk/meet if
possible. 

 

 

Regards,

 

Zac

 

Zachary Mason

Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager

Northwinds Farm

(603) 922-8377 Work

(603) 991-6747 Cell

 <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com 

 

806 U.S. Route 3

North Stratford, NH 03590

 

 

 


From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Apr 27 18:08:04 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Manners, Derek)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 14:08:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating D.C. and Arlington, VA
In-Reply-To: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>
References: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAP4LJqgzv3THaX+=vQ4J=yKXm6WNQfyGUsw_f0hmVPJYE8knA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey there, my name is Derek Manners and I lived in Arlington last year and
worked at the department of the defense and am living in DC this year and
working in DC may 18-Agust 1st.  I'd be happy to show you around and or
answer any questions.  My cell is 903-271-6494.  Do you have any specific
questions?

Best wishes
Derek Manners
1st Vice President MASSABS
Board Member and NABS Fundraising Chair

On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Hello
>
>
>
> Been on the list before about housing, now asking for advice.
>
>
>
> I've been accepted to a summer internship with the National Association of
> State Departments of Agriculture. I'm kind of late in asking this, but how
> long does it take to orient a country bumpkin to living in D.C. and working
> in an office in Arlington Virginia? My life is a long history of jumping
> into things without comprehensive preparation, but it really just hit me
> this morning how I've been living in the sticks for the past two years
> without any real opportunity to use mobility skills.
>
>
>
> I received 14 wk of independent living training at the Carroll Center for
> the Blind in 2013, and have lived and worked independently at Purdue
> University for 8 wk during a summer internship. However, for the past two
> years I've worked on a dairy farm in northern New Hampshire where the
> ownership require I use sighted assistance whenever crossing. (Not that
> sighted assistance equals safety) I've had more than one instance when ears
> trumped eyes. And as for working around animals . I could tell some
> stories.
> (Exasperated face)
>
>
>
> But I digress. I've taken some preliminary steps, hired an O&M instructor,
> contacted METRO and a METRO O&M instructor, had JAWS and Openbook installed
> at my work computer in the Arlington office, and bought my apartment. I
> planned a wk of orientation, both to the work and for O&M, but am not sure
> it's enough. Part of my job is attending public hearings at the Capitol,
> sometimes remotely, sometimes in person; and finding a strange place in a
> strange city scares me. I've been to D.C. before, and the traffic
> environment intimidates me.
>
>
>
> Words of wisdom, encouragement, and prayers are all welcome. (Smiling face)
> Anyone in Arlington/D.C. area is also welcome to try to get in touch and
> get
> together between May 18-Aug. 15.
>
>
>
>
>
> Zac
>
>
>
>
>
> Zachary Mason
>
> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>
> Northwinds Farm
>
> (603) 922-8377 Work
>
> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>
>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>
>
>
> 806 U.S. Route 3
>
> North Stratford, NH 03590
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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From clb5590 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 18:19:37 2015
From: clb5590 at gmail.com (Cindy Bennett)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 11:19:37 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating D.C. and Arlington, VA
In-Reply-To: <CAAP4LJqgzv3THaX+=vQ4J=yKXm6WNQfyGUsw_f0hmVPJYE8knA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>
	<CAAP4LJqgzv3THaX+=vQ4J=yKXm6WNQfyGUsw_f0hmVPJYE8knA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACUFQdx3=GA6NgcVxZOtE05mbW7ubP2Y+qxoDUNg+VX0yZn9Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zach,

I am not savvy with the D.C. area, but as Derek has already offered to
assist you, there are a lot of NFB members who live in the vicinity.
If you want to connect with more people than who reply here, feel free
to get in touch with me off list as I have several friends in the D.C.
area.

I think that planning ahead is wise. One thing you could research are
smartphone apps relevant to the area. For example, I think the train
system has an app. Plus, rideshare services like Uber and Lyft are
available in D.C. You can look for happy hour apps to learn of deals
in the area of where you live. I would also recommend learning the
grid formation of the city (I believe their are 4 quadrants), the
conventions of streets versus avenues, and what the prefixes and
suffixes such as north, southeast, etc. can tell you about an address.
Finally, I would ask questions like which side of streets even and odd
addresses are on and how long blocks are. For reference, when I lived
in Minneapolis, I learned that avenues run north and south, streets
east and west. A south suffix meant avenues ran south from downtown. I
learned that running north and south along the avenues, addresses
ended in digits 1 to 30 whereas the shorter east to west blocks
generally contained addresses ending in the digits 1 to 15.

I think that picking up little things like this before you go will
help you to get a high level idea of where an address is that you are
trying to find. It is also very useful to know this information when
using cabs as disappointingly, many drivers do not know practical
things like the city's address system.

That said, use your unfamiliarity to your advantage. I think it will
provide you an easy conversation starter at work and in coffee shops
and bars near your apartment. Locals love to talk about what's good,
and your coworkers will love any excuse to take a coffee break or go
for a drink after work.

I'm sorry that I couldn't provide more relevant information but hope
this gets you started!

Cindy

On 4/27/15, Manners, Derek via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey there, my name is Derek Manners and I lived in Arlington last year and
> worked at the department of the defense and am living in DC this year and
> working in DC may 18-Agust 1st.  I'd be happy to show you around and or
> answer any questions.  My cell is 903-271-6494.  Do you have any specific
> questions?
>
> Best wishes
> Derek Manners
> 1st Vice President MASSABS
> Board Member and NABS Fundraising Chair
>
> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
>> Hello
>>
>>
>>
>> Been on the list before about housing, now asking for advice.
>>
>>
>>
>> I've been accepted to a summer internship with the National Association
>> of
>> State Departments of Agriculture. I'm kind of late in asking this, but
>> how
>> long does it take to orient a country bumpkin to living in D.C. and
>> working
>> in an office in Arlington Virginia? My life is a long history of jumping
>> into things without comprehensive preparation, but it really just hit me
>> this morning how I've been living in the sticks for the past two years
>> without any real opportunity to use mobility skills.
>>
>>
>>
>> I received 14 wk of independent living training at the Carroll Center for
>> the Blind in 2013, and have lived and worked independently at Purdue
>> University for 8 wk during a summer internship. However, for the past two
>> years I've worked on a dairy farm in northern New Hampshire where the
>> ownership require I use sighted assistance whenever crossing. (Not that
>> sighted assistance equals safety) I've had more than one instance when
>> ears
>> trumped eyes. And as for working around animals . I could tell some
>> stories.
>> (Exasperated face)
>>
>>
>>
>> But I digress. I've taken some preliminary steps, hired an O&M
>> instructor,
>> contacted METRO and a METRO O&M instructor, had JAWS and Openbook
>> installed
>> at my work computer in the Arlington office, and bought my apartment. I
>> planned a wk of orientation, both to the work and for O&M, but am not
>> sure
>> it's enough. Part of my job is attending public hearings at the Capitol,
>> sometimes remotely, sometimes in person; and finding a strange place in a
>> strange city scares me. I've been to D.C. before, and the traffic
>> environment intimidates me.
>>
>>
>>
>> Words of wisdom, encouragement, and prayers are all welcome. (Smiling
>> face)
>> Anyone in Arlington/D.C. area is also welcome to try to get in touch and
>> get
>> together between May 18-Aug. 15.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Zac
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Zachary Mason
>>
>> Assistant Shepherd and Young Stock Manager
>>
>> Northwinds Farm
>>
>> (603) 922-8377 Work
>>
>> (603) 991-6747 Cell
>>
>>  <mailto:zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com> zmason at northwindsfarm@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>> 806 U.S. Route 3
>>
>> North Stratford, NH 03590
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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-- 
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1st Year Ph.D. Student, University of Washington
Human Centered Design and Engineering

Treasurer of the National Federation of the Blind of Washington
an Affiliate of the National Federation of the Blind

clb5590 at gmail.com


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Mon Apr 27 20:22:26 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 13:22:26 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating D.C. and Arlington, VA
In-Reply-To: <CACUFQdx3=GA6NgcVxZOtE05mbW7ubP2Y+qxoDUNg+VX0yZn9Tg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>
	<CAAP4LJqgzv3THaX+=vQ4J=yKXm6WNQfyGUsw_f0hmVPJYE8knA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CACUFQdx3=GA6NgcVxZOtE05mbW7ubP2Y+qxoDUNg+VX0yZn9Tg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC11RiYVk1PANrHAoewnwy12kogR=8Tz8A+ObJAHz_mwg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zach. I do not know DC well, but I have successfully learned to
navigate Melbourne Australia, Boulder Colorado, and Seattle
Washington. It can be very intimidating to try to learn an entire city
metropolis. I would suggest, instead, just focusing on learning your
immediate neighborhood and the routes you will be taking most often,
and then venturing out further as you become more confident.
Especially since you will only be there for the summer, you shouldn't
need to learn the entire city at once. You can start by exploring your
route from home to work, from work to the Capitol building, from home
to a nearby grocery store and from home to a couple of restaurants you
might frequent. Metro most likely has some kind of online system where
you can look up the routes you will need to get from home to work.
Then your O&M, or one of us who lives in DC, can walk you through the
route once or twice so you feel comfortable with it. If you have a
smart phone, there are a number of inexpensive GPS apps that might be
helpful aids as well. I found the site
www.yelp.com
excellent for identifying good restaurants and services (such as
hairdressers or dry cleaners. Generally though, once you feel
confident with the routes you take the most, you will probably find
that learning the rest of the city is easier than it seemed at first.
Best of luck and congratulations on the internship!
Best, Arielle

On 4/27/15, Cindy Bennett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Zach,
>
> I am not savvy with the D.C. area, but as Derek has already offered to
> assist you, there are a lot of NFB members who live in the vicinity.
> If you want to connect with more people than who reply here, feel free
> to get in touch with me off list as I have several friends in the D.C.
> area.
>
> I think that planning ahead is wise. One thing you could research are
> smartphone apps relevant to the area. For example, I think the train
> system has an app. Plus, rideshare services like Uber and Lyft are
> available in D.C. You can look for happy hour apps to learn of deals
> in the area of where you live. I would also recommend learning the
> grid formation of the city (I believe their are 4 quadrants), the
> conventions of streets versus avenues, and what the prefixes and
> suffixes such as north, southeast, etc. can tell you about an address.
> Finally, I would ask questions like which side of streets even and odd
> addresses are on and how long blocks are. For reference, when I lived
> in Minneapolis, I learned that avenues run north and south, streets
> east and west. A south suffix meant avenues ran south from downtown. I
> learned that running north and south along the avenues, addresses
> ended in digits 1 to 30 whereas the shorter east to west blocks
> generally contained addresses ending in the digits 1 to 15.
>
> I think that picking up little things like this before you go will
> help you to get a high level idea of where an address is that you are
> trying to find. It is also very useful to know this information when
> using cabs as disappointingly, many drivers do not know practical
> things like the city's address system.
>
> That said, use your unfamiliarity to your advantage. I think it will
> provide you an easy conversation starter at work and in coffee shops
> and bars near your apartment. Locals love to talk about what's good,
> and your coworkers will love any excuse to take a coffee break or go
> for a drink after work.
>
> I'm sorry that I couldn't provide more relevant information but hope
> this gets you started!
>
> Cindy
>
> On 4/27/15, Manners, Derek via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hey there, my name is Derek Manners and I lived in Arlington last year
>> and
>> worked at the department of the defense and am living in DC this year and
>> working in DC may 18-Agust 1st.  I'd be happy to show you around and or
>> answer any questions.  My cell is 903-271-6494.  Do you have any specific
>> questions?
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Derek Manners
>> 1st Vice President MASSABS
>> Board Member and NABS Fundraising Chair
>>
>> On Mon, Apr 27, 2015 at 1:45 PM, Zach Mason via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Been on the list before about housing, now asking for advice.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I've been accepted to a summer internship with the National Association
>>> of
>>> State Departments of Agriculture. I'm kind of late in asking this, but
>>> how
>>> long does it take to orient a country bumpkin to living in D.C. and
>>> working
>>> in an office in Arlington Virginia? My life is a long history of jumping
>>> into things without comprehensive preparation, but it really just hit me
>>> this morning how I've been living in the sticks for the past two years
>>> without any real opportunity to use mobility skills.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I received 14 wk of independent living training at the Carroll Center
>>> for
>>> the Blind in 2013, and have lived and worked independently at Purdue
>>> University for 8 wk during a summer internship. However, for the past
>>> two
>>> years I've worked on a dairy farm in northern New Hampshire where the
>>> ownership require I use sighted assistance whenever crossing. (Not that
>>> sighted assistance equals safety) I've had more than one instance when
>>> ears
>>> trumped eyes. And as for working around animals . I could tell some
>>> stories.
>>> (Exasperated face)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> But I digress. I've taken some preliminary steps, hired an O&M
>>> instructor,
>>> contacted METRO and a METRO O&M instructor, had JAWS and Openbook
>>> installed
>>> at my work computer in the Arlington office, and bought my apartment. I
>>> planned a wk of orientation, both to the work and for O&M, but am not
>>> sure
>>> it's enough. Part of my job is attending public hearings at the Capitol,
>>> sometimes remotely, sometimes in person; and finding a strange place in
>>> a
>>> strange city scares me. I've been to D.C. before, and the traffic
>>> environment intimidates me.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Words of wisdom, encouragement, and prayers are all welcome. (Smiling
>>> face)
>>> Anyone in Arlington/D.C. area is also welcome to try to get in touch and
>>> get
>>> together between May 18-Aug. 15.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Zac
>>>
>>>
>>>
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From lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org  Mon Apr 27 20:27:07 2015
From: lhnews at lighthouse-sf.org (LightHouse for the Blind and Visually Impaired)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 20:27:07 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] What Does it Mean to be a Blind Musician? Find out at our
 Blind Music Academy
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Do you know a young blind or low vision musician?  Are you one yourself? Find out what it means to be a blind musician at Enchanted Hills Camp's Music Academy, August 3 to 9!

This session will be led by some of our nation's best teachers. Singers as well as those who play instruments are welcome at our summer Music Academy at Enchanted Hills.

After a hugely successful debut in 2014, the LightHouse will partner for a second year with Dancing Dots, the world's leading provider of accessible music technology for the blind, to bring our summertime Music Academy back to the redwoods. The Academy is open to young, motivated blind and low vision musicians from around the nation who are 14 to 25 years old.

Bill McCann, President and Founder of Dancing Dots, will spend the entire week with the aspiring musicians. McCann, blind himself, will lead a team of four blind instructors and technicians to teach the latest and greatest techniques for blind and low vision students. Also returning is former camper and current EHC staff member Shane Dittmar, who will bring his energy and talent to teaching what he loves most.

Featuring Special Guests
The week will feature special guest musicians from Napa and the Bay Area and the opportunity to perform live on our new Redwood Grove Theater Stage.

When: Monday, August 3 through Sunday, August 9
Where: Enchanted Hills Camp for the Blind, Napa
Cost for the week, all-inclusive: $300
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Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 15:19:20 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Afternoon, Arielle,

That what's good for the goose is good for the 
gander attitude is, I believe, so incredibly 
toxic for a main reason that blind people are 
blind, while Ol'Sighty can see. Blind people and 
sighted people are two separate and distinct 
animals. Just because one group of people namely 
Ol'Sighty hasn't too developed his own 
compensatory strategies. Please allow blind 
people to shine, to revel in their ocular sightlessness!
Car  may not have developed a particular 
adeptness with listening, doesn't mean that a 
blink hasn't cultivated their listening skillsanimalsis
At 09:38 PM 4/25/2015, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all. To be clear, I often take in information 
>by listening, both as a matter of availability 
>and efficiency. However, the fact that listening 
>can sometimes be a useful substitute for print 
>doesn't negate my original point: We don't 
>consider listening to be a viable substitute for 
>print reading in the sighted world, so why 
>should we change our standards and allow blind 
>people to read by listening alone? We could just 
>replace all print material in the world with 
>text-to-speech, but we don't, because we place 
>cultural value on the written word, and most 
>sighted people process information better when 
>it is read. Even "auditory learners" in our 
>society are expected to read at least some print 
>unless they have a severe reading disability 
>(and even then, they are expected to read road 
>signs and the like). It needn't be any different 
>for the blind. And, my point about refreshable 
>Braille being more affordable than hard copy 
>Braille was from the production perspective, not 
>the consumer perspective. If a school district 
>could choose to hire a ton of transcription or 
>buy a few refreshable Braille displays, the 
>latter option would cost less. I also hope that 
>in the coming decades, the cost of refreshable 
>Braille will go down. Arielle On 4/25/15, 
>Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
>wrote: > Hello Ben, >  It has been a while! I 
>remember discussing this with you at the 
>Nevada > state convention back in November, and 
>I apologize if you already answered > these 
>questions for me before: > (1)      In the 
>instance where an individual is an auditory 
>learner, and not a > kinesthetic learner, would 
>you still dismiss auditory intake as literacy? > 
>Essentially, having the ability to read the 
>braille would be a form of > kinesthetic 
>learning, because you are physically translating 
>the symbols, > whereas someone who is an 
>auditory learner would have more difficulties > 
>processing the information, even if they were 
>able to read the braille, > because they just 
>learn better through auditory means. > 
>(2)       Would not an interpretation of 
>auditory symbols be a form of symbolic > 
>interpretation? That is to say, if reading were 
>merely the translation of > symbols into 
>language, would not listening to words be a 
>quicker > transformation of the interpretation 
>of the symbols? True, the individual > does not 
>have to ‘read’ the original source material, 
>but they still have to > interpret the 
>information, and organize it into comprehensible 
>order within > their minds. > I think another 
>important thing to remember, in the favor of 
>braille being a > substitution instance of 
>literacy is, technology often fails, while 
>braille > rarely does. In other words, battery 
>life of devices can be short, or > electronic 
>devices can be fried by water or other 
>environmental > disturbances. Conversely, 
>braille could become warn after enough use, or 
>if > it is not taken care of; however, it is 
>less likely to occur than the > technology 
>failing on people. I do not know, it seems to be 
>a compelling > reason to learn, if only because 
>it provides more reassurance of sustained > 
>dependency
 > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun > > 
>________________________________________ > From: 
>Ben Dallin [bendallin at outlook.com] > Sent: 
>Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:36 PM > To: Michael D 
>Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students 
>mailing list > Cc: Joseph Hudson > Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy! > > This is an 
>interesting discusssion, and one I definitely 
>have some opinions > about. My guess is that 
>some will think I'm splitting hairs, but I 
>think > there is an important difference between 
>reading a book, and listening to a > book, and 
>the two expressions are not interchangeable. If 
>you are listening > to a book read by a human 
>narrator or a computer, you yourself are not > 
>reading. Reading  involves translating certain 
>symbols, whether they be > print or braille, 
>into language. That is being done by the 
>narrator or > computer if you are listening to a 
>book. And let me be clear, if I have to > get 
>through a vast amount of material, I will listen 
>to the material on a > device where the speech 
>can be greatly sped up. However, if I have my > 
>druthers, I will prefer to actually read the 
>book in braille. I find I am > more engaged with 
>the text and my comprehension > and recall 
>improves. I am also able to project my own voice 
>to the material, > rather than hearing it 
>through another. > This is not to criticize at 
>all people who would rather listen to books > 
>instead of read them. If someone cannot use 
>print or braille however, they > are still 
>incredibly disadvantaged if they completely rely 
>on audio, and I > could not consider such a 
>person to be literate, based  on the widely 
>used > and accepted definition. This happens in 
>every day life, not just during a > hypothetical 
>catastrophe. Lectures and meetings, where it may 
>be important > to take down and read 
>information, while still being able to listen 
>to > speakers or presenters, are prime 
>examples. > My take home message is simply that 
>if you cannot read print, there is no > way to 
>be truly literate unless you know braille. 
>Technology has given us > access to much more 
>material, some of it not available through 
>braille, but > I think it's not the same as 
>reading,  and there could be  some dangers in > 
>equating listening with reading. > The high cost 
>of braille, whether being produced in hard copy, 
>or in > purchasing a braille display, may be a 
>roadblock to wider literacy among the > blind 
>and is not a factor I had considered much, but 
>it sounds like it could > be true and hopefully 
>technology, as it has done so far, will continue 
>to > provide opportunities for braille to become 
>more available, as well as > cheaper to 
>produce. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 25, 
>2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l >> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>    I am going 
>to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because 
>I disagree >> with the common conception of 
>‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I 
>want >> it to be clear that I believe, having 
>the ability to read braille is not >> only 
>important, but also vital for any visually 
>impaired individual’s >> success. With that 
>said: >> >> The definition of literate, as 
>according to wikctionary is, “Able to read >> 
>and write; having literacy,” or 
>“Knowledgeable in literature, writing; >> 
>literary; well-read.” >> >>    I believe, as 
>per the first definition, it is clear that in 
>order for a >> blind person to be literate, they 
>must be able to read braille. After all, >> 
>their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, 
>and as was pointed out, in >> order to know the 
>fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person 
>must >> have first-hand knowledge of what it 
>looks like (no pun intended). >>    With that 
>said, however, I believe the first definition is 
>archaic and >> thus, quickly becoming the 
>subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to >> 
>read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic 
>(which, I have found >> actually has its own 
>braille code), Chinese, English grades one and 
>two, >> and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer 
>to listen to all of my books. It >> makes the 
>reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be 
>more done. For >> example, just today, I have 
>read seven books, all of which are more than >> 
>three hundred pages long. I do not know of a 
>sighted or blind person, who >> could duplicate 
>that via print or braille. >>    The largest 
>problem with accepting listing as a form of 
>literacy comes >> in the form so a person having 
>readily accessible means. That is to say, >> it 
>is very possible that something drastic might 
>happen, where electricity >> is removed, causing 
>a person to no longer have access to their 
>device, >> which would make them incapable of 
>either definitions (1) or (2). Then >> again, if 
>that happens, a braille reader would be at the 
>same >> disadvantage, because sighted people 
>would be far too busy to emboss >> things via a 
>Perkins braille, and without their assistance, 
>blind >> individuals could not produce their 
>texts either. >>    I am probably just being 
>cynical, but I still see, regardless of the >> 
>strives we have been able to make, a necessary 
>dependency upon those who >> can see. Certainly 
>though, this will not always be the case. I 
>suggest >> that, as a community, we do not weigh 
>the two forms of information-take in >> against 
>each other, but instead advocate for a 
>combination of the two. >> Braille and auditory 
>reading. >> >> 
>________________________________________ >> 
>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on 
>behalf of Joseph Hudson via >> nabs-l 
>[nabs-l at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 
>2015 6:51 PM >> To: Darian Smith; National 
>Association of Blind Students mailing list >> 
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No 
>Literacy! >> >> Hi Darian, well I agree they do 
>have devices to make real horrible, it's >> 
>finding the right one that works for you and if 
>piece of audio technology >> is what works for 
>somebody like myself that's what we're going to 
>stick to >> a Weber grill display works better 
>for somebody else, then that's what >> they're 
>going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to 
>my Mac, my iPhone, >> and my iPad. >> Joseph 
>Hudson >> I device support >> Email >> 
>jhud7789 at gmail.com 
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> >> Face time and 
>iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com 
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> >> Office phone >> 
>641-715-3900 x34315 >> Emergency line >> 
>641-715-3900 x5887652 >> Skype >> 
>joseph.hudson89 >> >>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 
>PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi 
>all, >>> I think Arielle brings up some valid 
>points here. >>> The one point I would question 
>is how technology has served to make >>> access 
>to braille more  affordable? >>> >>>  Maybe this 
>is the case in relative terms, but until most 
>anyone who >>> wants access to braille can go 
>out and get a  device    that makes >>> braille 
>portable I don’t think I could agree with that 
>particular point. >>> Darian >>>> On Apr 25, 
>2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via 
>nabs-l >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org 
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi 
>all. I don't understand why there's any doubt 
>that Braille literacy >>>> is needed for 
>literacy. The way I see it, we expect all 
>sighted people >>>> in nearly all cultures to be 
>print literate. Why would we expect less >>>> 
>from the blind? If a day comes when listening is 
>considered an >>>> acceptable form of literacy 
>for sighted people, then I might change my >>>> 
>mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter 
>of whether or not we >>>> believe blind people 
>should achieve the same literacy standards. 
>If >>>> blind people should hope to communicate 
>in writing with anyone else, >>>> we need to 
>know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, 
>and >>>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can 
>get these from Braille but not >>>> from 
>listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the 
>only reliable way >>>> for us to access any 
>written material we want to read aloud to >>>> 
>somebody else, whether that be our young 
>children or our audience at a >>>> professional 
>conference. It's extremely hard to read a 
>prepared speech >>>> or a storybook aloud to 
>others while listening to it. If we hope to >>>> 
>meet the same standards of written 
>communication, and translation >>>> between oral 
>and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we 
>need >>>> Braille. I also get really annoyed 
>when people try to say that >>>> technology has 
>"replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes 
>Braille >>>> infinitely more portable and 
>affordable than it was before. >>>> Best, 
>Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> 
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>> 
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote: >>>>> I wish 
>my cable company would feel the same way about 
>not making me >>>>> pay >>>>> that >>>>> kind of 
>money. LOL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Musings of 
>a Work in Progress: >>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/ 
><http://www.joeorozco.com/> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter: 
>@ScribblingJoe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original 
>Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l 
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>> 
><mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of 
>Joseph Hudson >>>>> via nabs-l >>>>> Sent: 
>Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM >>>>> To: 
>Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind 
>Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re: 
>[nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy! >>>>> >>>>> 
>Hi, what same time I agree with you but one 
>thing that you have to >>>>> understand is that 
>it takes money and manpower in order to produce 
>the >>>>> documents for the braille. Not 
>everybody, and knows how to produce >>>>> 
>things >>>>> in >>>>> braille. This is why I'll 
>rely on email for my Electric bill, and my >>>>> 
>cable >>>>> bill. Because I don't want to have 
>to have my company payout that kind >>>>> 
>of >>>>> money. >>>>> Joseph Hudson >>>>> I 
>device support >>>>> Email >>>>> 
>jhud7789 at gmail.com 
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> >>>>> 
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com 
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and >>>>> 
>iMessage >>>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com 
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>>>> 
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone >>>>> 
>641-715-3900 x34315 >>>>> Emergency line >>>>> 
>641-715-3900 x5887652 >>>>> Skype >>>>> 
>joseph.hudson89 >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, 
>at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l >>>>>> 
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I 
>honestly think that braille should be put on all 
>documents that we >>>>>> blind >>>>> folk 
>receive. Because think about this for a minute, 
>we won't always >>>>> have >>>>> sighted peers 
>around us. >>>>>> We can't always depend on 
>sighted folks all the time to read things >>>>>> 
>to >>>>>> us. >>>>> Plus the scanning apps we 
>sometimes use aren't very accurate when it >>>>> 
>comes >>>>> to printed material. This should 
>also apply in schools as well. >>>>>> I'm just 
>voicing my opinion on this. >>>>>> If anyone 
>disagrees that is fine. >>>>>> All of us have 
>our own opinions. >>>>>> This is just my thought 
>on the matter. >>>>>> Take care all, >>>>>> 
>Mabelin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> 
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From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 27 Apr 2015 22:42:52 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
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Greetings Miss Mihalakis,
	I certainly agree that over generalization is a bad thing; however, I am n=
ot sure if I can agree with your dichotomous depiction of sighted and nonsi=
ghted individuals, as I understand it. Do you really mean that blind folk a=
re entirely different from sighted people? If so, how can you have revelry =
in one=92s ocular failings, if you have nothing to compare it to? Surely, a=
fter all, if you are reveling in your situation, you have something to comp=
are it to; but, if I understand your depiction of the relationship between =
the two, a sighted person can never gain access to the same space as a blin=
d person, as it applies to interpersonal relations.
=09
All:
As it applies to the topic of this thread, though, I think the main content=
ion I have with Arielle=92s point is that cultural boundaries are developed=
 through the experience of the individuals who make up said culture. Natura=
lly, if we have this conception of literacy as print-interpretation, then w=
e will, necessarily, need to reject listening as a form of literacy. My sug=
gested solution to this conundrum, simply put, is why listening cannot be a=
 form of literacy for sighted people as well? I certainly would not exclude=
 them from that form of literacy, mostly because I do not believe there sho=
uld be an otherisation of either sighted or blind people. We still, at the =
end of the day, are all homosapians.

I really like this topic, though!


________________________________________
From: Carly Mihalakis [carlymih at comcast.net]
Sent: Monday, April 27, 2015 3:19 PM
To: Arielle Silverman; National Association of Blind Students mailing list;=
 Michael D Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

Afternoon, Arielle,

That what's good for the goose is good for the
gander attitude is, I believe, so incredibly
toxic for a main reason that blind people are
blind, while Ol'Sighty can see. Blind people and
sighted people are two separate and distinct
animals. Just because one group of people namely
Ol'Sighty hasn't too developed his own
compensatory strategies. Please allow blind
people to shine, to revel in their ocular sightlessness!
Car  may not have developed a particular
adeptness with listening, doesn't mean that a
blink hasn't cultivated their listening skillsanimalsis
At 09:38 PM 4/25/2015, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l wrote:
>Hi all. To be clear, I often take in information
>by listening, both as a matter of availability
>and efficiency. However, the fact that listening
>can sometimes be a useful substitute for print
>doesn't negate my original point: We don't
>consider listening to be a viable substitute for
>print reading in the sighted world, so why
>should we change our standards and allow blind
>people to read by listening alone? We could just
>replace all print material in the world with
>text-to-speech, but we don't, because we place
>cultural value on the written word, and most
>sighted people process information better when
>it is read. Even "auditory learners" in our
>society are expected to read at least some print
>unless they have a severe reading disability
>(and even then, they are expected to read road
>signs and the like). It needn't be any different
>for the blind. And, my point about refreshable
>Braille being more affordable than hard copy
>Braille was from the production perspective, not
>the consumer perspective. If a school district
>could choose to hire a ton of transcription or
>buy a few refreshable Braille displays, the
>latter option would cost less. I also hope that
>in the coming decades, the cost of refreshable
>Braille will go down. Arielle On 4/25/15,
>Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>wrote: > Hello Ben, >  It has been a while! I
>remember discussing this with you at the
>Nevada > state convention back in November, and
>I apologize if you already answered > these
>questions for me before: > (1)      In the
>instance where an individual is an auditory
>learner, and not a > kinesthetic learner, would
>you still dismiss auditory intake as literacy? >
>Essentially, having the ability to read the
>braille would be a form of > kinesthetic
>learning, because you are physically translating
>the symbols, > whereas someone who is an
>auditory learner would have more difficulties >
>processing the information, even if they were
>able to read the braille, > because they just
>learn better through auditory means. >
>(2)       Would not an interpretation of
>auditory symbols be a form of symbolic >
>interpretation? That is to say, if reading were
>merely the translation of > symbols into
>language, would not listening to words be a
>quicker > transformation of the interpretation
>of the symbols? True, the individual > does not
>have to =E2=80=98read=E2=80=99 the original source material,
>but they still have to > interpret the
>information, and organize it into comprehensible
>order within > their minds. > I think another
>important thing to remember, in the favor of
>braille being a > substitution instance of
>literacy is, technology often fails, while
>braille > rarely does. In other words, battery
>life of devices can be short, or > electronic
>devices can be fried by water or other
>environmental > disturbances. Conversely,
>braille could become warn after enough use, or
>if > it is not taken care of; however, it is
>less likely to occur than the > technology
>failing on people. I do not know, it seems to be
>a compelling > reason to learn, if only because
>it provides more reassurance of sustained >
>dependency=85 > Respectfully, > Michael Ausbun > >
>________________________________________ > From:
>Ben Dallin [bendallin at outlook.com] > Sent:
>Saturday, April 25, 2015 8:36 PM > To: Michael D
>Ausbun; National Association of Blind Students
>mailing list > Cc: Joseph Hudson > Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy! > > This is an
>interesting discusssion, and one I definitely
>have some opinions > about. My guess is that
>some will think I'm splitting hairs, but I
>think > there is an important difference between
>reading a book, and listening to a > book, and
>the two expressions are not interchangeable. If
>you are listening > to a book read by a human
>narrator or a computer, you yourself are not >
>reading. Reading  involves translating certain
>symbols, whether they be > print or braille,
>into language. That is being done by the
>narrator or > computer if you are listening to a
>book. And let me be clear, if I have to > get
>through a vast amount of material, I will listen
>to the material on a > device where the speech
>can be greatly sped up. However, if I have my >
>druthers, I will prefer to actually read the
>book in braille. I find I am > more engaged with
>the text and my comprehension > and recall
>improves. I am also able to project my own voice
>to the material, > rather than hearing it
>through another. > This is not to criticize at
>all people who would rather listen to books >
>instead of read them. If someone cannot use
>print or braille however, they > are still
>incredibly disadvantaged if they completely rely
>on audio, and I > could not consider such a
>person to be literate, based  on the widely
>used > and accepted definition. This happens in
>every day life, not just during a > hypothetical
>catastrophe. Lectures and meetings, where it may
>be important > to take down and read
>information, while still being able to listen
>to > speakers or presenters, are prime
>examples. > My take home message is simply that
>if you cannot read print, there is no > way to
>be truly literate unless you know braille.
>Technology has given us > access to much more
>material, some of it not available through
>braille, but > I think it's not the same as
>reading,  and there could be  some dangers in >
>equating listening with reading. > The high cost
>of braille, whether being produced in hard copy,
>or in > purchasing a braille display, may be a
>roadblock to wider literacy among the > blind
>and is not a factor I had considered much, but
>it sounds like it could > be true and hopefully
>technology, as it has done so far, will continue
>to > provide opportunities for braille to become
>more available, as well as > cheaper to
>produce. > Sent from my iPhone > >> On Apr 25,
>2015, at 7:18 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l >>
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >> >>    I am going
>to play devil=E2=80=99s advocate, here, mostly because
>I disagree >> with the common conception of
>=E2=80=98literate.=E2=80=99 Before I begin, however, I
>want >> it to be clear that I believe, having
>the ability to read braille is not >> only
>important, but also vital for any visually
>impaired individual=E2=80=99s >> success. With that
>said: >> >> The definition of literate, as
>according to wikctionary is, =E2=80=9CAble to read >>
>and write; having literacy,=E2=80=9D or
>=E2=80=9CKnowledgeable in literature, writing; >>
>literary; well-read.=E2=80=9D >> >>    I believe, as
>per the first definition, it is clear that in
>order for a >> blind person to be literate, they
>must be able to read braille. After all, >>
>their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print,
>and as was pointed out, in >> order to know the
>fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person
>must >> have first-hand knowledge of what it
>looks like (no pun intended). >>    With that
>said, however, I believe the first definition is
>archaic and >> thus, quickly becoming the
>subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to >>
>read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic
>(which, I have found >> actually has its own
>braille code), Chinese, English grades one and
>two, >> and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer
>to listen to all of my books. It >> makes the
>reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be
>more done. For >> example, just today, I have
>read seven books, all of which are more than >>
>three hundred pages long. I do not know of a
>sighted or blind person, who >> could duplicate
>that via print or braille. >>    The largest
>problem with accepting listing as a form of
>literacy comes >> in the form so a person having
>readily accessible means. That is to say, >> it
>is very possible that something drastic might
>happen, where electricity >> is removed, causing
>a person to no longer have access to their
>device, >> which would make them incapable of
>either definitions (1) or (2). Then >> again, if
>that happens, a braille reader would be at the
>same >> disadvantage, because sighted people
>would be far too busy to emboss >> things via a
>Perkins braille, and without their assistance,
>blind >> individuals could not produce their
>texts either. >>    I am probably just being
>cynical, but I still see, regardless of the >>
>strives we have been able to make, a necessary
>dependency upon those who >> can see. Certainly
>though, this will not always be the case. I
>suggest >> that, as a community, we do not weigh
>the two forms of information-take in >> against
>each other, but instead advocate for a
>combination of the two. >> Braille and auditory
>reading. >> >>
>________________________________________ >>
>From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on
>behalf of Joseph Hudson via >> nabs-l
>[nabs-l at nfbnet.org] >> Sent: Saturday, April 25,
>2015 6:51 PM >> To: Darian Smith; National
>Association of Blind Students mailing list >>
>Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No
>Literacy! >> >> Hi Darian, well I agree they do
>have devices to make real horrible, it's >>
>finding the right one that works for you and if
>piece of audio technology >> is what works for
>somebody like myself that's what we're going to
>stick to >> a Weber grill display works better
>for somebody else, then that's what >> they're
>going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to
>my Mac, my iPhone, >> and my iPad. >> Joseph
>Hudson >> I device support >> Email >>
>jhud7789 at gmail.com
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> >> Face time and
>iMessage >> jhud7789 at yahoo.com
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com> >> Office phone >>
>641-715-3900 x34315 >> Emergency line >>
>641-715-3900 x5887652 >> Skype >>
>joseph.hudson89 >> >>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15
>PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi
>all, >>> I think Arielle brings up some valid
>points here. >>> The one point I would question
>is how technology has served to make >>> access
>to braille more  affordable? >>> >>>  Maybe this
>is the case in relative terms, but until most
>anyone who >>> wants access to braille can go
>out and get a  device    that makes >>> braille
>portable I don=E2=80=99t think I could agree with that
>particular point. >>> Darian >>>> On Apr 25,
>2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via
>nabs-l >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi
>all. I don't understand why there's any doubt
>that Braille literacy >>>> is needed for
>literacy. The way I see it, we expect all
>sighted people >>>> in nearly all cultures to be
>print literate. Why would we expect less >>>>
>from the blind? If a day comes when listening is
>considered an >>>> acceptable form of literacy
>for sighted people, then I might change my >>>>
>mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter
>of whether or not we >>>> believe blind people
>should achieve the same literacy standards.
>If >>>> blind people should hope to communicate
>in writing with anyone else, >>>> we need to
>know spelling, capitalization, written grammar,
>and >>>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can
>get these from Braille but not >>>> from
>listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the
>only reliable way >>>> for us to access any
>written material we want to read aloud to >>>>
>somebody else, whether that be our young
>children or our audience at a >>>> professional
>conference. It's extremely hard to read a
>prepared speech >>>> or a storybook aloud to
>others while listening to it. If we hope to >>>>
>meet the same standards of written
>communication, and translation >>>> between oral
>and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we
>need >>>> Braille. I also get really annoyed
>when people try to say that >>>> technology has
>"replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes
>Braille >>>> infinitely more portable and
>affordable than it was before. >>>> Best,
>Arielle >>>> >>>>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org >>>>>
><mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote: >>>>> I wish
>my cable company would feel the same way about
>not making me >>>>> pay >>>>> that >>>>> kind of
>money. LOL >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Musings of
>a Work in Progress: >>>>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
><http://www.joeorozco.com/> >>>>> >>>>> Twitter:
>@ScribblingJoe >>>>> >>>>> -----Original
>Message----- >>>>> From: nabs-l
>[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org >>>>>
><mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of
>Joseph Hudson >>>>> via nabs-l >>>>> Sent:
>Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM >>>>> To:
>Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind
>Students mailing >>>>> list >>>>> Subject: Re:
>[nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy! >>>>> >>>>>
>Hi, what same time I agree with you but one
>thing that you have to >>>>> understand is that
>it takes money and manpower in order to produce
>the >>>>> documents for the braille. Not
>everybody, and knows how to produce >>>>>
>things >>>>> in >>>>> braille. This is why I'll
>rely on email for my Electric bill, and my >>>>>
>cable >>>>> bill. Because I don't want to have
>to have my company payout that kind >>>>>
>of >>>>> money. >>>>> Joseph Hudson >>>>> I
>device support >>>>> Email >>>>>
>jhud7789 at gmail.com
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com> >>>>>
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com
><mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>> Face time and >>>>>
>iMessage >>>>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com >>>>>
><mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>> Office phone >>>>>
>641-715-3900 x34315 >>>>> Emergency line >>>>>
>641-715-3900 x5887652 >>>>> Skype >>>>>
>joseph.hudson89 >>>>> >>>>>>> On Apr 25, 2015,
>at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l >>>>>>
><nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> I
>honestly think that braille should be put on all
>documents that we >>>>>> blind >>>>> folk
>receive. Because think about this for a minute,
>we won't always >>>>> have >>>>> sighted peers
>around us. >>>>>> We can't always depend on
>sighted folks all the time to read things >>>>>>
>to >>>>>> us. >>>>> Plus the scanning apps we
>sometimes use aren't very accurate when it >>>>>
>comes >>>>> to printed material. This should
>also apply in schools as well. >>>>>> I'm just
>voicing my opinion on this. >>>>>> If anyone
>disagrees that is fine. >>>>>> All of us have
>our own opinions. >>>>>> This is just my thought
>on the matter. >>>>>> Take care all, >>>>>>
>Mabelin >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 13:51:18 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 09:51:18 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Introduction
Message-ID: <553f905e.a91a370a.1222.ffffe7fe@mx.google.com>

Hi Carlos welcome to the list.  My name is Roanna Bacchus.  I am 
earning my Bachelor's Interdisciplinary Studies at UCF.  My areas 
of focus are Arts and Humanities and Behavior and Health Sciences 
with my minor in Mass Communications.  UCF uses the Canvas online 
course system to manage all of their online courses.  It is 
farely accessible with mobile divices like the IPad and Jaws.


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Tue Apr 28 14:13:32 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (rbacchus228 at gmail.com)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 10:13:32 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Navigating D.C. and Arlington, VA
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References: <010201d08112$05435e80$0fca1b80$@gmail.com>
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Congratulations on your internship I hope it goes well

Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 27, 2015, at 1:45 PM, Zach Mason via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello
> 
> 
> 
> Been on the list before about housing, now asking for advice. 
> 
> 
> 
> I've been accepted to a summer internship with the National Association of
> State Departments of Agriculture. I'm kind of late in asking this, but how
> long does it take to orient a country bumpkin to living in D.C. and working
> in an office in Arlington Virginia? My life is a long history of jumping
> into things without comprehensive preparation, but it really just hit me
> this morning how I've been living in the sticks for the past two years
> without any real opportunity to use mobility skills. 
> 
> 
> 
> I received 14 wk of independent living training at the Carroll Center for
> the Blind in 2013, and have lived and worked independently at Purdue
> University for 8 wk during a summer internship. However, for the past two
> years I've worked on a dairy farm in northern New Hampshire where the
> ownership require I use sighted assistance whenever crossing. (Not that
> sighted assistance equals safety) I've had more than one instance when ears
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 02:10:43 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 19:10:43 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family therapist?
Message-ID: <55403dba.ca266b0a.79d7.4665@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought 
that I wanted to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided 
recently that that is not the right profession for me.  I am 
thinking I might want to be a family therapist.  I have always 
been interested in family dynamics and also really enjoy helping 
others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be emotionally 
draining, and until recently I was under the impression that 
family members always went because they wanted to, although I've 
just learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.  
I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
Thanks,
Vejas


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:03:35 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:03:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
In-Reply-To: <55403dba.ca266b0a.79d7.4665@mx.google.com>
References: <55403dba.ca266b0a.79d7.4665@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS481902CAF5D7C73F4C2236CBAD70@phx.gbl>

Hello Vejas,

I applaud you for seeking out people who have experience in the career
choice you are interested in pursuing. If you do not receive the answers you
are looking for on this email list, you might want to try posting your
inquiry on the blind social workers division email list. I do not know the
specifics for this particular email list, but you can find a list of all of
the NFB email lists at www.nfbnet.org. I also know of a blind social worker
here in Michigan, and I would be willing to put you in touch with her if you
would be interested in talking to her.

Best of luck,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family therapist?

Hi All,
I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought that I wanted
to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided recently that that is not
the right profession for me.  I am thinking I might want to be a family
therapist.  I have always been interested in family dynamics and also really
enjoy helping others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be
emotionally draining, and until recently I was under the impression that
family members always went because they wanted to, although I've just
learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.  
I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:23:40 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:23:40 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
Message-ID: <55404ed3.4175320a.5b54.ffff8aa2@mx.google.com>

Thank you so much for your email.
If anyone could please give me the name of the blind social 
workers list, I would really appreciate it.  I couldn't find a 
list purely for social workers but did find one relating to 
social sciences-is that the one?
Thanks,
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "'Vejas Vasiliauskas'" 
<alpineimagination at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind 
Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:03:35 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a 
family therapist?

Hello Vejas,

I applaud you for seeking out people who have experience in the 
career
choice you are interested in pursuing.  If you do not receive the 
answers you
are looking for on this email list, you might want to try posting 
your
inquiry on the blind social workers division email list.  I do 
not know the
specifics for this particular email list, but you can find a list 
of all of
the NFB email lists at www.nfbnet.org.  I also know of a blind 
social worker
here in Michigan, and I would be willing to put you in touch with 
her if you
would be interested in talking to her.

Best of luck,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family 
therapist?

Hi All,
I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought 
that I wanted
to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided recently that 
that is not
the right profession for me.  I am thinking I might want to be a 
family
therapist.  I have always been interested in family dynamics and 
also really
enjoy helping others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be
emotionally draining, and until recently I was under the 
impression that
family members always went because they wanted to, although I've 
just
learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.
I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 03:35:50 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 20:35:50 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
Message-ID: <554051b5.0a076b0a.39b3.fffff250@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am planning to attend LCB and had a couple of questions for 
these who attended and are attending:
1.  Do you live in the same apartments the whole time?
2.  Do you have to cook your own meals for breakfast, lunch and 
dinner? I thought I heard somewhere that everyone ate lunch 
together.
3.  Is there any special form of transportation that you can use 
to get around the community? (In California we have Access 
Paratransit, Dial-a-Ride, Uber and Lift, but I know the names 
vary based on state and even based on city).
Thanks,
Vejas


From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 04:08:19 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 21:08:19 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
In-Reply-To: <554051b5.0a076b0a.39b3.fffff250@mx.google.com>
References: <554051b5.0a076b0a.39b3.fffff250@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <9F6F1F84-E601-4F40-92B0-38CDB91009A4@gmail.com>

Hello,
 I am not an LCBStudent or grad but from what I’ve understood from the many alums I know of…
1. you live in a apartment complex with the rest of the center students  and share an apartment with your roommate.
2.you are responsible for preparing your own meals and would bring lunch with you to the center where you would eat with your fellow students.
3. (needing the most clarification) . Rustin is a small town with the nearest city being not too terribly far away though Rustin it’s self is pretty walkable.  
> On Apr 28, 2015, at 8:35 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I am planning to attend LCB and had a couple of questions for these who attended and are attending:
> 1.  Do you live in the same apartments the whole time?
> 2.  Do you have to cook your own meals for breakfast, lunch and dinner? I thought I heard somewhere that everyone ate lunch together.
> 3.  Is there any special form of transportation that you can use to get around the community? (In California we have Access Paratransit, Dial-a-Ride, Uber and Lift, but I know the names vary based on state and even based on city).
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 04:39:15 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 00:39:15 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
In-Reply-To: <55404ed3.4175320a.5b54.ffff8aa2@mx.google.com>
References: <55404ed3.4175320a.5b54.ffff8aa2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYyYR2FQ-quumroCzgOBXBHQBOe9g+Vwt5cQP+GessOsg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, Vejas,

The human services division list may have some family therapists on
it.  In any case there are plenty of psychologists and socialworkers
on the list who can probably be helpful, too.

As for your fears about the job being emotionally taxing, I'm studying
to become a music therapist (a little different but along the same
lines).  One of the things my program at least teaches is the
importance of self-care.  Self-care can be anything that helps a
therapist or therapist in-training to remain grounded so they don't
become too caught up in their work.  Some common things people do for
self-care are reading, going for walks, going to the gym or working
out, hanging out with friends on a regular basis to release stress,
etc.  I can't speak for family therapy training programs as I have
never been in one, but self-care is a concept used by therapists in
all areas-not just music therapy.  You'll also most likely have a
supervisor when you start doing clinical work or observations who can
help you figure out what self-care techniques work best for you.

I hope I was able to help at least in that regard.  Good luck.

On 4/28/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Thank you so much for your email.
> If anyone could please give me the name of the blind social
> workers list, I would really appreciate it.  I couldn't find a
> list purely for social workers but did find one relating to
> social sciences-is that the one?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
> To: "'Vejas Vasiliauskas'"
> <alpineimagination at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind
> Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:03:35 -0400
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a
> family therapist?
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> I applaud you for seeking out people who have experience in the
> career
> choice you are interested in pursuing.  If you do not receive the
> answers you
> are looking for on this email list, you might want to try posting
> your
> inquiry on the blind social workers division email list.  I do
> not know the
> specifics for this particular email list, but you can find a list
> of all of
> the NFB email lists at www.nfbnet.org.  I also know of a blind
> social worker
> here in Michigan, and I would be willing to put you in touch with
> her if you
> would be interested in talking to her.
>
> Best of luck,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
> Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:11 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
> therapist?
>
> Hi All,
> I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought
> that I wanted
> to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided recently that
> that is not
> the right profession for me.  I am thinking I might want to be a
> family
> therapist.  I have always been interested in family dynamics and
> also really
> enjoy helping others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be
> emotionally draining, and until recently I was under the
> impression that
> family members always went because they wanted to, although I've
> just
> learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.
> I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
> If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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-- 
Kaiti


From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Wed Apr 29 04:58:26 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:58:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
In-Reply-To: <55403dba.ca266b0a.79d7.4665@mx.google.com>
References: <55403dba.ca266b0a.79d7.4665@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuaAOJT1TG6qHPHasXfeR5HfTEmGYAi_SyZDd8Aoq4RoDdHRQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Vejas,
I am currently a Social Work major at the University of Texas seeking
to become an Licensed Clinical Social Worker. It is true that
counseling can become very taxing. This is where self care comes into
play. It is essential for a therapist to do as many things to keep
their mind clear, their stamina high and their overall well being
intact and strong This can include exercise, eating well, listening to
music, writing poetry, spending time with family and friends and other
activities that are beneficial to you mentally and physically. It is
not that uncommon for therapists to seek out therapy for themselves,
anything that you can do to increase your overall self care and mental
health is extremely imperative. It all depends on what type of setting
and population that you want to work with when regarding the amount of
jobs available. The profession of therapy can be very competitive, you
just have to fight your right niche and build up your clientele by
continuously practicing your therapy and networking with individuals
within your own profession.

I hope this information has been beneficial to you and I wish you luck
in your future endeavors

Jonathan Franks
Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students

On 4/28/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought
> that I wanted to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided
> recently that that is not the right profession for me.  I am
> thinking I might want to be a family therapist.  I have always
> been interested in family dynamics and also really enjoy helping
> others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be emotionally
> draining, and until recently I was under the impression that
> family members always went because they wanted to, although I've
> just learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.
> I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
> If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Wed Apr 29 13:09:48 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:09:48 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
In-Reply-To: <55404ed3.4175320a.5b54.ffff8aa2@mx.google.com>
References: <55404ed3.4175320a.5b54.ffff8aa2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS4768C6C79EFAA4228A22280BAD70@phx.gbl>

Hello Vejas,

Please forgive me for citing the incorrect name for the division you should
check out. But the Human Services Division is definitely the division you
will want to check out. The social worker I know here in Michigan is a part
of this division, and I would be more than happy to put you in touch with
her if you have any interest in connecting with her.

As for your questions about the LCB, as far as I know, students generally
stay in the same apartment during the duration of their training.

Students are responsible for all meals including breakfast, lunch, and
dinner. Students can either bring a lunch from their apartment to eat at the
training center, or they can get it from nearby restaurants. I believe the
only exception to this rule is when someone is making a large meal as part
of the requirements for cooking class. This meal is typically served during
lunch to all students and staff at the training center.

Ruston is a small town, so transportation options will probably be more
limited than what you may be used to in a bigger city. It is easy for people
to walk around town, and students are expected to walk to and from the
student apartments and the training center. However, I believe there are a
few cab companies you can use when walking is less desirable. I am sure
other students and staff members would be more than willing to provide you
with more specific information once you arrive to the training center.

I hope this message answers your questions about what to expect during your
training at LCB. However, when I went there to visit the training center for
a week, I found the staff and students to be rather friendly and were
willing to answer any questions I had about the training center or the city
of Ruston. I wish you the best of luck in your training at LCB.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas [mailto:alpineimagination at gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:24 PM
To: Elizabeth Mohnke; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
therapist?

Thank you so much for your email.
If anyone could please give me the name of the blind social workers list, I
would really appreciate it.  I couldn't find a list purely for social
workers but did find one relating to social sciences-is that the one?
Thanks,
Vejas

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
To: "'Vejas Vasiliauskas'" 
<alpineimagination at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students
mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:03:35 -0400
Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
therapist?

Hello Vejas,

I applaud you for seeking out people who have experience in the career
choice you are interested in pursuing.  If you do not receive the answers
you are looking for on this email list, you might want to try posting your
inquiry on the blind social workers division email list.  I do not know the
specifics for this particular email list, but you can find a list of all of
the NFB email lists at www.nfbnet.org.  I also know of a blind social worker
here in Michigan, and I would be willing to put you in touch with her if you
would be interested in talking to her.

Best of luck,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:11 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family therapist?

Hi All,
I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought that I wanted
to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided recently that that is not
the right profession for me.  I am thinking I might want to be a family
therapist.  I have always been interested in family dynamics and also really
enjoy helping others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be
emotionally draining, and until recently I was under the impression that
family members always went because they wanted to, although I've just
learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.
I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 13:28:28 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:28:28 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
Message-ID: <5540dc85.d1a58c0a.7a0d.ffffab4d@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas congratulations on your training at LCB.  Students are 
required to share an apartment with their roommates for the 
duration of their training.  They are required to cook their own 
meals each day with the exception of large meals which is the 
requirement for the cooking classes at each of the Nfb training 
centers.  As others have said Ruston is a small town and students 
to wal from the center to their apartments and from their 
apartments to the center.


From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 13:55:37 2015
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:55:37 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
In-Reply-To: <5540dc85.d1a58c0a.7a0d.ffffab4d@mx.google.com>
References: <5540dc85.d1a58c0a.7a0d.ffffab4d@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CACOe-GWYPiZmU-kYtKF4V+6BqQcDedryw+hae4QHhM714W=Q4g@mail.gmail.com>

I attended a few years ago and would be happy to answer your
questions.  We do stay in the same apartments the hole time unless you
have a good reason to switch.  in this case I would bring your
reasoning up to the director pam.  We tend to cook our own food and
bring our lunches.  We bring our lunches to the center and we all eat
them together normally.  As far as getting around, the town is very
walkable, with everything you will need being quite close to the
center and apartments.  But on those days where you just don't want to
walk, they town has a good cab service.  I don't have the contract
info anymore, but people at the center should be able to give it to
you if you ask them.  If you have any other questions feel free to
ask.  So glad you decided to take the jump!  its a life changer!

On 4/29/15, Roanna Bacchus via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas congratulations on your training at LCB.  Students are
> required to share an apartment with their roommates for the
> duration of their training.  They are required to cook their own
> meals each day with the exception of large meals which is the
> requirement for the cooking classes at each of the Nfb training
> centers.  As others have said Ruston is a small town and students
> to wal from the center to their apartments and from their
> apartments to the center.
>
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From mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 14:28:51 2015
From: mabelinzpaez94 at gmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 10:28:51 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
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Hi Chris, how are you? It's Mabelin. I hope you're well.
Email back if you'd like to stay in contact.
Hugs and take care.



From dwebster125 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 16:58:02 2015
From: dwebster125 at gmail.com (David Webster)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 09:58:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
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On 4/28/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I am planning to attend LCB and had a couple of questions for
> these who attended and are attending:
> 1.  Do you live in the same apartments the whole time?
> 2.  Do you have to cook your own meals for breakfast, lunch and
> dinner? I thought I heard somewhere that everyone ate lunch
> together.
> 3.  Is there any special form of transportation that you can use
> to get around the community? (In California we have Access
> Paratransit, Dial-a-Ride, Uber and Lift, but I know the names
> vary based on state and even based on city).
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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HI.  My name is Dave.  I went to lcb back in 97.  In ruston no there
is not any public transportation.  everything is within walking
distance.  yes you do stay in the apartments the whole time but during
the days yu are in classes from 8 in the morning until 5 in the
evening.  You do cook all 3 meals breakfast lunch and dinner.  You can
feel free to pack your lunch or there are places you can go and buy
lunch.  there are quite a few resturaunts that are close to the
center.  thanks.  Hope this helps.


From carlos.montas at att.net  Wed Apr 29 18:45:35 2015
From: carlos.montas at att.net (Carlos Montas)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 14:45:35 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
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I agree with every one. The training at any of the nfb centers is a life changing experience.  I attended in 2009.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:58 PM, David Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>> On 4/28/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I am planning to attend LCB and had a couple of questions for
>> these who attended and are attending:
>> 1.  Do you live in the same apartments the whole time?
>> 2.  Do you have to cook your own meals for breakfast, lunch and
>> dinner? I thought I heard somewhere that everyone ate lunch
>> together.
>> 3.  Is there any special form of transportation that you can use
>> to get around the community? (In California we have Access
>> Paratransit, Dial-a-Ride, Uber and Lift, but I know the names
>> vary based on state and even based on city).
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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> HI.  My name is Dave.  I went to lcb back in 97.  In ruston no there
> is not any public transportation.  everything is within walking
> distance.  yes you do stay in the apartments the whole time but during
> the days yu are in classes from 8 in the morning until 5 in the
> evening.  You do cook all 3 meals breakfast lunch and dinner.  You can
> feel free to pack your lunch or there are places you can go and buy
> lunch.  there are quite a few resturaunts that are close to the
> center.  thanks.  Hope this helps.
> 
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 18:56:05 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 11:56:05 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] question for those who attended LCB
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Hi Vejas. I attended LCB in 2008. There are a couple of cab companies
that everyone uses to get to places that are not walkable. The cab
fares are low because Ruston is so small. You do have to buy your own
groceries and prepare your own meals. The exception is about once a
week or so, a student at the center will prepare a meal for everyone
as their final cooking requirement, and you are encouraged to partake
of their meal. There are several restaurants within walking distance
for lunch and an hour is designated for lunch so students will often
go out, though of course that can get expensive. The center is located
about a half-mile walk from the apartments. There is a van provided by
the center for anyone who is unable to walk that distance due to
another disability, or to use temporarily until you are comfortable
with the route. You will also be assigned a mentor when you arrive who
can help you learn the route and will tell you other things about
getting around. Best of luck and feel free to ask any other questions
as you think of them.
Best, Arielle

On 4/29/15, Carlos Montas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> I agree with every one. The training at any of the nfb centers is a life
> changing experience.  I attended in 2009.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Apr 29, 2015, at 12:58 PM, David Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 4/28/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> I am planning to attend LCB and had a couple of questions for
>>> these who attended and are attending:
>>> 1.  Do you live in the same apartments the whole time?
>>> 2.  Do you have to cook your own meals for breakfast, lunch and
>>> dinner? I thought I heard somewhere that everyone ate lunch
>>> together.
>>> 3.  Is there any special form of transportation that you can use
>>> to get around the community? (In California we have Access
>>> Paratransit, Dial-a-Ride, Uber and Lift, but I know the names
>>> vary based on state and even based on city).
>>> Thanks,
>>> Vejas
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/dwebster125%40gmail.com
>> HI.  My name is Dave.  I went to lcb back in 97.  In ruston no there
>> is not any public transportation.  everything is within walking
>> distance.  yes you do stay in the apartments the whole time but during
>> the days yu are in classes from 8 in the morning until 5 in the
>> evening.  You do cook all 3 meals breakfast lunch and dinner.  You can
>> feel free to pack your lunch or there are places you can go and buy
>> lunch.  there are quite a few resturaunts that are close to the
>> center.  thanks.  Hope this helps.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From tonysohl at samobile.net  Wed Apr 29 19:17:04 2015
From: tonysohl at samobile.net (Tony Sohl)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 15:17:04 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Centers
Message-ID: <ca8a0d78.8f9b.4498.be54.b5650366dd71@samobile.net>

Hi my name is tony Sohl and I attended the Colorado Center for the 
Blind and it's a life changing experience!

Unfortunately, here in Arizona, we have a training center but it's not 
NFB based. It's caleld the Southern Arizona Agencey for the Visually 
Impaired (SAVI.) Unfortunatley, the director of the center clames it's 
an NFB Center and they teach NFB philosophy, but I don't think they do. 
It's not like CCB or LCB .


From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 21:06:49 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:06:49 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] A Cappellas Anonymous Takes To The Stage On Acaville
	Tonight
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>From David


From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Wed Apr 29 21:07:25 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:07:25 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] my apologies
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GRRR, I didn't mean for my last message to go to nabs, just the people
in my address book. It helps if you check what addresses are
highlighted, my bad


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Wed Apr 29 22:02:02 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 18:02:02 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about sending in the BrailleNote Apex back to
	humans are
Message-ID: <060E3F5D-3BA7-4E18-8E68-2A8BADDC617F@verizon.net>

Hi all,

So I usually use my BrailleNote Apex for emails and doing my schoolwork, but last week I was forced to send it back to Humanware due to a crash problem that i couldn't solve myself. My Apex was sent in by my school district last Friday. This problem is, I think, the most serious I've had in all of my ten years using a BrailleNote.

My questions for you guys are the following: 1. Has anyone who has sent in their Apex (or any other BrailleNote) know the approximate time duration for HumanWare to receive the BrailleNote from the date it was sent? 2. Similarly, does anyone know the duration for HumanWare to identify the problem (s), fix them, and then send the BrailleNote to the school district where it was first sent?

I'm really impatient to get it fixed, because I really like using my Apex a lot.

Looking forward to reading your replies.

Thanks,

Sami

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Wed Apr 29 22:25:54 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:25:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question about sending in the BrailleNote Apex back to
	humans are
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Hello, it can take up to 2/4 weeks depending on how much damage is wrong with the unit. You might want to consider calling them because they would have to better estimated time as the how long it will take them to fix the issue. I think this when my ex-girlfriend unit got sent in for repair and I asked them to send me a coffee of the analysis and how much it would cost her as her unit was out of warranty. They will provide you with that as well if you would like to see a copy of that. Hope this helps you with your questions.
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> On Apr 29, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> So I usually use my BrailleNote Apex for emails and doing my schoolwork, but last week I was forced to send it back to Humanware due to a crash problem that i couldn't solve myself. My Apex was sent in by my school district last Friday. This problem is, I think, the most serious I've had in all of my ten years using a BrailleNote.
> 
> My questions for you guys are the following: 1. Has anyone who has sent in their Apex (or any other BrailleNote) know the approximate time duration for HumanWare to receive the BrailleNote from the date it was sent? 2. Similarly, does anyone know the duration for HumanWare to identify the problem (s), fix them, and then send the BrailleNote to the school district where it was first sent?
> 
> I'm really impatient to get it fixed, because I really like using my Apex a lot.
> 
> Looking forward to reading your replies.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Sami
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 00:36:55 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2015 17:36:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
	therapist?
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Hi Vejas, The listserv mentioned is called HumanSer. The social
sciences one also has some therapists on it, but it's intended for
research-related discussions.
Best, Arielle

On 4/29/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Vejas,
>
> Please forgive me for citing the incorrect name for the division you should
> check out. But the Human Services Division is definitely the division you
> will want to check out. The social worker I know here in Michigan is a part
> of this division, and I would be more than happy to put you in touch with
> her if you have any interest in connecting with her.
>
> As for your questions about the LCB, as far as I know, students generally
> stay in the same apartment during the duration of their training.
>
> Students are responsible for all meals including breakfast, lunch, and
> dinner. Students can either bring a lunch from their apartment to eat at
> the
> training center, or they can get it from nearby restaurants. I believe the
> only exception to this rule is when someone is making a large meal as part
> of the requirements for cooking class. This meal is typically served during
> lunch to all students and staff at the training center.
>
> Ruston is a small town, so transportation options will probably be more
> limited than what you may be used to in a bigger city. It is easy for
> people
> to walk around town, and students are expected to walk to and from the
> student apartments and the training center. However, I believe there are a
> few cab companies you can use when walking is less desirable. I am sure
> other students and staff members would be more than willing to provide you
> with more specific information once you arrive to the training center.
>
> I hope this message answers your questions about what to expect during your
> training at LCB. However, when I went there to visit the training center
> for
> a week, I found the staff and students to be rather friendly and were
> willing to answer any questions I had about the training center or the city
> of Ruston. I wish you the best of luck in your training at LCB.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas [mailto:alpineimagination at gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 11:24 PM
> To: Elizabeth Mohnke; nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
> therapist?
>
> Thank you so much for your email.
> If anyone could please give me the name of the blind social workers list, I
> would really appreciate it.  I couldn't find a list purely for social
> workers but did find one relating to social sciences-is that the one?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
>  ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke <lizmohnke at hotmail.com
> To: "'Vejas Vasiliauskas'"
> <alpineimagination at gmail.com>,"'National Association of Blind Students
> mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org Date sent: Tue, 28 Apr 2015 23:03:35
> -0400
> Subject: RE: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family
> therapist?
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> I applaud you for seeking out people who have experience in the career
> choice you are interested in pursuing.  If you do not receive the answers
> you are looking for on this email list, you might want to try posting your
> inquiry on the blind social workers division email list.  I do not know the
> specifics for this particular email list, but you can find a list of all of
> the NFB email lists at www.nfbnet.org.  I also know of a blind social
> worker
> here in Michigan, and I would be willing to put you in touch with her if
> you
> would be interested in talking to her.
>
> Best of luck,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, April 28, 2015 10:11 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Subject: [nabs-l] is anyone on here studying to become a family therapist?
>
> Hi All,
> I'm a senior in high school who, until very recently, thought that I wanted
> to be an English teacher.  However, I have decided recently that that is
> not
> the right profession for me.  I am thinking I might want to be a family
> therapist.  I have always been interested in family dynamics and also
> really
> enjoy helping others.  I have heard that being a therapist can be
> emotionally draining, and until recently I was under the impression that
> family members always went because they wanted to, although I've just
> learned that the courts can send people to therapy as well.
> I have also heard that it is very hard to get a job in the field.
> If anyone has any experiences, please feel free to share.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 30 13:33:58 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Thu, 30 Apr 2015 09:33:58 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] NFB Training Centers
Message-ID: <55422f51.0a958c0a.4605.39a9@mx.google.com>

Hi Tony I'm glad you went to an Nfb training center.  Can you 
tell us more about what a typical day at the center was like?