[nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

Sun Apr 26 02:17:39 UTC 2015

	I am going to play devil’s advocate, here, mostly because I disagree with the common conception of ‘literate.’ Before I begin, however, I want it to be clear that I believe, having the ability to read braille is not only important, but also vital for any visually impaired individual’s success. With that said:

The definition of literate, as according to wikctionary is, “Able to read and write; having literacy,” or “Knowledgeable in literature, writing; literary; well-read.”

	I believe, as per the first definition, it is clear that in order for a blind person to be literate, they must be able to read braille. After all, their eyes cannot, in most cases, read print, and as was pointed out, in order to know the fine-rules of grammatical construction, a person must have first-hand knowledge of what it looks like (no pun intended).
	With that said, however, I believe the first definition is archaic and thus, quickly becoming the subsidiary definition. I, myself, know how to read Spanish, German, Computer, Symbolic logic (which, I have found actually has its own braille code), Chinese, English grades one and two, and nemeth code. Even so, I much prefer to listen to all of my books. It makes the reading less exhausting, while allowing me to be more done. For example, just today, I have read seven books, all of which are more than three hundred pages long. I do not know of a sighted or blind person, who could duplicate that via print or braille.
	The largest problem with accepting listing as a form of literacy comes in the form so a person having readily accessible means. That is to say, it is very possible that something drastic might happen, where electricity is removed, causing a person to no longer have access to their device, which would make them incapable of either definitions (1) or (2). Then again, if that happens, a braille reader would be at the same disadvantage, because sighted people would be far too busy to emboss things via a Perkins braille, and without their assistance, blind individuals could not produce their texts either.
	I am probably just being cynical, but I still see, regardless of the strives we have been able to make, a necessary dependency upon those who can see. Certainly though, this will not always be the case. I suggest that, as a community, we do not weigh the two forms of information-take in against each other, but instead advocate for a combination of the two. Braille and auditory reading.

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From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Joseph Hudson via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 6:51 PM
To: Darian Smith; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!

Hi Darian, well I agree they do have devices to make real horrible, it's finding the right one that works for you and if piece of audio technology is what works for somebody like myself that's what we're going to stick to a Weber grill display works better for somebody else, then that's what they're going to stick to. In my case, I will stick to my Mac, my iPhone, and my iPad.
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> On Apr 25, 2015, at 7:15 PM, Darian Smith via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I think Arielle brings up some valid points here.
> The one point I would question is how technology has served to make  access to braille more  affordable?
>
>   Maybe this is the case in relative terms, but until most anyone who wants access to braille can go out and get a  device    that makes braille portable I don’t think I could agree with that particular point.
>  Darian
>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 5:02 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. I don't understand why there's any doubt that Braille literacy
>> is needed for literacy. The way I see it, we expect all sighted people
>> in nearly all cultures to be print literate. Why would we expect less
>> from the blind? If a day comes when listening is considered an
>> acceptable form of literacy for sighted people, then I might change my
>> mind, but for now I think it is a simple matter of whether or not we
>> believe blind people should achieve the same literacy standards. If
>> blind people should hope to communicate in writing with anyone else,
>> we need to know spelling, capitalization, written grammar, and
>> punctuation rules. The fact is we can get these from Braille but not
>> from listening alone. Furthermore, Braille is the only reliable way
>> for us to access any written material we want to read aloud to
>> somebody else, whether that be our young children or our audience at a
>> professional conference. It's extremely hard to read a prepared speech
>> or a storybook aloud to others while listening to it. If we hope to
>> meet the same standards of written communication, and translation
>> between oral and written modes, as our sighted peers, then we need
>> Braille. I also get really annoyed when people try to say that
>> technology has "replaced" Braille. Technology actually makes Braille
>> infinitely more portable and affordable than it was before.
>> Best, Arielle
>>
>> On 4/25/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org> <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>> wrote:
>>> I wish my cable company would feel the same way about not making me pay
>>> that
>>> kind of money. LOL
>>>
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>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] On Behalf Of Joseph Hudson
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>>> Sent: Saturday, April 25, 2015 5:04 PM
>>> To: Mabelin Ramirez; National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] No Braille? No Literacy!
>>>
>>> Hi, what same time I agree with you but one thing that you have to
>>> understand is that it takes money and manpower in order to produce the
>>> documents for the braille. Not everybody, and knows how to produce things
>>> in
>>> braille. This is why I'll rely on email for my Electric bill, and my cable
>>> bill. Because I don't want to have to have my company payout that kind of
>>> money.
>>> Joseph Hudson
>>> I device support
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>>>> On Apr 25, 2015, at 3:56 PM, Mabelin Ramirez via nabs-l
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I honestly think that braille should be put on all documents that we
>>>> blind
>>> folk receive. Because think about this for a minute, we won't always have
>>> sighted peers around us.
>>>> We can't always depend on sighted folks all the time to read things to
>>>> us.
>>> Plus the scanning apps we sometimes use aren't very accurate when it comes
>>> to printed material. This should also apply in schools as well.
>>>> I'm just voicing my opinion on this.
>>>> If anyone disagrees that is fine.
>>>> All of us have our own opinions.
>>>> This is just my thought on the matter.
>>>> Take care all,
>>>> Mabelin
>>>>
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