From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 00:39:05 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:39:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
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Hi Julie,

I would recommend using the Google Calendar app on your phone as it's
the most accessible. I keep all of my appointments and deadlines for
school and work in the app, and if my supervisor sends me a calendar
update, it'll automatically sync to the phone. I haven't really messed
around with the site to see how accessible it is with Jaws, but from
what I have observed, viewing/adding appointments to the calendar is
pretty manageable, if a little clunky.

HTH,
Minh

On 11/30/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering if/how you can use Google calendar.  I am starting some
> work and will need to use it to keep my schedule.  I have looked up
> some of the accessibility info...  But I want to know how usable it is
> with Jaws.  Would it be better to cync the calendar with my iPhone?
> Advice, experiences, criticisms, tips...  Throw them at me.  Thanks,
> and happy Monday.
>
>
>
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
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-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 00:57:26 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:57:26 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gpzVFaM9qPLHvoLOjhXMx1NMKugntAZ35zCAE0joTivA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DL2DTxChhBq0hpCC=Lxjw4wuxcx4_Fft87e8hspyugx0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gpzVFaM9qPLHvoLOjhXMx1NMKugntAZ35zCAE0joTivA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <003f01d12bd3$3fbefcb0$bf3cf610$@gmail.com>

Do I have to download google calendar to the IPhone?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via
nabs-l
Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:39 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google Calendar

Hi Julie,

I would recommend using the Google Calendar app on your phone as it's the
most accessible. I keep all of my appointments and deadlines for school and
work in the app, and if my supervisor sends me a calendar update, it'll
automatically sync to the phone. I haven't really messed around with the
site to see how accessible it is with Jaws, but from what I have observed,
viewing/adding appointments to the calendar is pretty manageable, if a
little clunky.

HTH,
Minh

On 11/30/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I am wondering if/how you can use Google calendar.  I am starting some 
> work and will need to use it to keep my schedule.  I have looked up 
> some of the accessibility info...  But I want to know how usable it is 
> with Jaws.  Would it be better to cync the calendar with my iPhone?
> Advice, experiences, criticisms, tips...  Throw them at me.  Thanks, 
> and happy Monday.
>
>
>
> --
> Julie A. McGinnity
> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division, 
> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri 
> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
> 2 Cor. 7
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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> .com
>


--
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their
dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence

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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 01:05:20 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 20:05:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
In-Reply-To: <003f01d12bd3$3fbefcb0$bf3cf610$@gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DL2DTxChhBq0hpCC=Lxjw4wuxcx4_Fft87e8hspyugx0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gpzVFaM9qPLHvoLOjhXMx1NMKugntAZ35zCAE0joTivA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01d12bd3$3fbefcb0$bf3cf610$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAJqG9gaGsSPTgtTHSwCPZcQjhc8cGoGDCM2b1KD1KoM2E4FyA@mail.gmail.com>

Of course; it's a separate calendar app than the one that comes on the
phone. If you do download and use Google Calendar, it would be helpful
to disconnect your email accounts from the iPhone calendar app as it
will make duplicates and you will get double notifications of upcoming
events. This happened to me and it was really annoying until I figured
out how to disable the calendar accounts.

Minh

On 11/30/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Do I have to download google calendar to the IPhone?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:39 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
>
> Hi Julie,
>
> I would recommend using the Google Calendar app on your phone as it's the
> most accessible. I keep all of my appointments and deadlines for school and
> work in the app, and if my supervisor sends me a calendar update, it'll
> automatically sync to the phone. I haven't really messed around with the
> site to see how accessible it is with Jaws, but from what I have observed,
> viewing/adding appointments to the calendar is pretty manageable, if a
> little clunky.
>
> HTH,
> Minh
>
> On 11/30/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I am wondering if/how you can use Google calendar.  I am starting some
>> work and will need to use it to keep my schedule.  I have looked up
>> some of the accessibility info...  But I want to know how usable it is
>> with Jaws.  Would it be better to cync the calendar with my iPhone?
>> Advice, experiences, criticisms, tips...  Throw them at me.  Thanks,
>> and happy Monday.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Julie A. McGinnity
>> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
>> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>> 2 Cor. 7
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail
>> .com
>>
>
>
> --
> Minh Ha
> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>
> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their
> dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>
> _______________________________________________
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-- 
Minh Ha
Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16
minh.ha927 at gmail.com

"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
their dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence


From imjohnorjack at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 01:10:48 2015
From: imjohnorjack at gmail.com (john mestemacher)
Date: Mon, 30 Nov 2015 19:10:48 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] tablet shopping
In-Reply-To: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP4F+WXE5kEwvPtQL2BXkjmLjonCJfb3WxZLCaLg3xM6TKU48A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABxPbFOKwVk4noXdorQ_nWBGwOFJLnqWbS-GMXcrVRiS-aPghQ@mail.gmail.com>

Apple.
On Nov 13, 2015 15:45, "Kayla James via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Does anyone have any ideas of what are good tablets for the blind;
> totally blind? Thanks.
>
> Kayla
>
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  1 22:06:20 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:06:20 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scrivener
Message-ID: <20B2F326-5B47-48DB-87C0-66A6FD9A0C35@gmail.com>

Hey guys,
Has anyone you Scribner? I'm going into freelance writing, and I wanted something professional to work on my blog post and articles. I heard scrivener was good, but is it accessible? What features are accessible and what or not? Jewel

Sent from my iPhone

From clearinghouse at miusa.org  Wed Dec  2 00:21:29 2015
From: clearinghouse at miusa.org (NCDE Clearinghouse)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 16:21:29 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Mobility International USA Job Posting
Message-ID: <007801d12c97$6594a7e0$30bdf7a0$@miusa.org>

Greetings!

 

We are excited to let you know about an exciting opportunity to join our
Mobility International USA team working to empower people with disabilities
to achieve their human rights through international exchange and
international development. 

 

MIUSA seeks a Project Coordinator for our National Clearinghouse on
Disability and Exchange project with excellent outreach, partnership
development, and communications skills. This is a mid-level professional
position that works collaboratively on national level projects. 

 

Competitive candidates will bring at least 5+ years experience working in a
relevant field, a passion for disability inclusion in international
exchange, and other relevant skills listed in the job posting. The Project
Coordinator reports to the Project Manager and is based at our office in
downtown Eugene, Oregon USA. 

 

This is a full-time, regular position that is contingent on grant funding.
Excellent full benefits are available. 

 

Please find below the official job posting: 

http://www.miusa.org/news/2015/coordinatorjobposting

 

Let us know if you have any questions at all and please forward to your
networks and anyone you think would be interested!

 

Best,

Monica

Monica Malhotra

Project Manager, National Clearinghouse on Disability and Exchange

Mobility International USA (MIUSA)

132 E Broadway, Suite 343

Eugene, Oregon 97401 USA

(541) 343-1284 ext 27

Email: mmalhotra at miusa.org <mailto:mmalhotra at miusa.org> 

Web: www.miusa.org

 

Empowering people with disabilities around the world to achieve their human
rights through international exchange and international development.

 

 


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 01:30:50 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 17:30:50 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] NABS List Guidelines
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJArwSeyDFkvRfhhh-dgS_eycRzW0fY15AZMHvXt4f4Hzw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALAYQJD4RFXcrK7bE0tKbdgL04i3ndBh2+Fpugs7PHVT3xZZww@mail.gmail.com>
	<CALAYQJArwSeyDFkvRfhhh-dgS_eycRzW0fY15AZMHvXt4f4Hzw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJDzU05t6xC7aazeNFN4ReuLoLuM4TjMXro6VOem2TZ7XA@mail.gmail.com>

NABS List Guidelines

 1.       Be respectful.
 A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
 opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
 post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
 personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
 B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
 readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
 not be allowed.
 C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
 respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
 lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
 their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
 you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
 Google search.

 2.      Reducing List Clutter
 A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
 related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
 or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
 social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not
 allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list
 purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs
 and announcements about blindness-related research projects are
 permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close
 down any discussion that is off-topic.
 B.      Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
 or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
 topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
 instead of just saying “I agree”.
C.      When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
 with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
 have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
 If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
 feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
 D.      If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
 to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list
 moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than
 long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate
 for the list.
 If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
 receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this
 kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply
 and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the
 list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not
 appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could
 result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list
 removal.

On 11/2/15, Arielle Silverman <arielle71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> NABS List Guidelines
>
> 1.	 Be respectful.
> A. This Listserv is a great forum in which we can all express our
> opinions. Sometimes we will disagree. However, when responding to a
> post, always be respectful. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and
> personal attacks and  degrading comments will not be tolerated.
> B. All posts must be appropriate for a wide audience, including
> readers younger than 18 years old. Profanity and sexual content will
> not be allowed.
> C. Remember that all list messages appear on a public archive. Please
> respect other people’s privacy by not posting details about their
> lives or experiences. Even if you post about somebody without using
> their name, their identity can be discovered. Also remember that if
> you post your phone number on list, others could access it via a
> Google search.
>
> 2.	Reducing List Clutter
> A. Please stay on topic. This list is about blindness and issues
> related to being a blind student or job-seeker. Posts about religion
> or politics, advertisements, queries asking to add list members on
> social media, or any other posts unrelated to blindness are not
> allowed, as they create too much list clutter unrelated to the list
> purpose. The exception is that advertisements for blindness programs
> and announcements about blindness-related research projects are
> permitted. The moderators and NABS board reserve the right to close
> down any discussion that is off-topic.
> B.	Please respect readers’ time by consolidating your ideas into one
> or two messages per day instead of posting many short replies to a
> topic. Rule of thumb is to post in a way to further the conversation,
> instead of just saying “I agree”.
> C.	When you would like to write someone off list or offer to connect
> with someone by Skype or social media, do so privately. You do not
> have to write one liners to every person you’d like to email off list.
> If you develop a conversation with that person, that’s great, if they
> feel they do not want to respond that is their right too.
> D.	If an off-topic message appears on the list, please do not respond
> to it. Instead, please either delete it or forward it to a list
> moderator. Single off-topic messages create much less clutter than
> long threads debating whether or not the initial post is appropriate
> for the list.
> If you send a message the moderators feel is off-topic, you will
> receive an off-list request not to send any more messages of this
> kind. If you disagree with the moderator’s ruling, feel free to reply
> and make your case, and we will be more than happy to listen. But the
> list committee has final authority regarding what is and is not
> appropriate for the list. Repeated violations of the guidelines could
> result in disciplinary action from the list owner, including list
> removal.
>


From matt.dierckens at me.com  Wed Dec  2 02:32:56 2015
From: matt.dierckens at me.com (Matthew Dierckens)
Date: Tue, 01 Dec 2015 21:32:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Scrivener
In-Reply-To: <20B2F326-5B47-48DB-87C0-66A6FD9A0C35@gmail.com>
References: <20B2F326-5B47-48DB-87C0-66A6FD9A0C35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1B1BEAF1-4097-4CEF-A1E5-7DD8C6A98F81@me.com>

Hello, according to a very trusted source, Scribner is very accessible.

Matt Dierckens
Certified Assistive technology specialist
Macintosh trainer
Canadian phone: 5199629140
U.S. Phone: 5734011018
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 1, 2015, at 17:06, Jewel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hey guys,
> Has anyone you Scribner? I'm going into freelance writing, and I wanted something professional to work on my blog post and articles. I heard scrivener was good, but is it accessible? What features are accessible and what or not? Jewel
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From kaybaycar at gmail.com  Wed Dec  2 04:27:37 2015
From: kaybaycar at gmail.com (Julie McGinnity)
Date: Tue, 1 Dec 2015 22:27:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
In-Reply-To: <CAAJqG9gaGsSPTgtTHSwCPZcQjhc8cGoGDCM2b1KD1KoM2E4FyA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAHox4DL2DTxChhBq0hpCC=Lxjw4wuxcx4_Fft87e8hspyugx0w@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gpzVFaM9qPLHvoLOjhXMx1NMKugntAZ35zCAE0joTivA@mail.gmail.com>
	<003f01d12bd3$3fbefcb0$bf3cf610$@gmail.com>
	<CAAJqG9gaGsSPTgtTHSwCPZcQjhc8cGoGDCM2b1KD1KoM2E4FyA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAHox4DJ6Lyf3+a34ZRSPKnHiph=DD1d5hjnEkTfF40xweH_Aeg@mail.gmail.com>

Ok.  Thank you.  I'll download the ap and start playing with it before
I am expected to manage the calendar for my job.

I am not surprised by this at all.  Sometimes things like calendars
are just easier to manage in ap form anyway.  :)

On 11/30/15, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Of course; it's a separate calendar app than the one that comes on the
> phone. If you do download and use Google Calendar, it would be helpful
> to disconnect your email accounts from the iPhone calendar app as it
> will make duplicates and you will get double notifications of upcoming
> events. This happened to me and it was really annoying until I figured
> out how to disable the calendar accounts.
>
> Minh
>
> On 11/30/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Do I have to download google calendar to the IPhone?
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of minh ha via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Monday, November 30, 2015 7:39 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: minh ha <minh.ha927 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Google Calendar
>>
>> Hi Julie,
>>
>> I would recommend using the Google Calendar app on your phone as it's the
>> most accessible. I keep all of my appointments and deadlines for school
>> and
>> work in the app, and if my supervisor sends me a calendar update, it'll
>> automatically sync to the phone. I haven't really messed around with the
>> site to see how accessible it is with Jaws, but from what I have
>> observed,
>> viewing/adding appointments to the calendar is pretty manageable, if a
>> little clunky.
>>
>> HTH,
>> Minh
>>
>> On 11/30/15, Julie McGinnity via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I am wondering if/how you can use Google calendar.  I am starting some
>>> work and will need to use it to keep my schedule.  I have looked up
>>> some of the accessibility info...  But I want to know how usable it is
>>> with Jaws.  Would it be better to cync the calendar with my iPhone?
>>> Advice, experiences, criticisms, tips...  Throw them at me.  Thanks,
>>> and happy Monday.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Julie A. McGinnity
>>> President, National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts Division,
>>> Second Vice President, National Federation of the Blind of Missouri
>>> "For we walk by faith, not by sight"
>>> 2 Cor. 7
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>>> nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/minh.ha927%40gmail
>>> .com
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Minh Ha
>> Boston College | Lynch School of Education '16 minh.ha927 at gmail.com
>>
>> "All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
>> recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
>> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on their
>> dreams with open eyes, to make them possible." T. E. Lawrence
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>> .com
>>
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 03:00:24 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2015 21:00:24 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
Message-ID: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or 
could give me some guidance on my situation.
I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior 
year and my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a 
place at a college in California, which I deferred.  I received a 
scholarship from this school for a very generous amount of money.  
I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take 
any college courses at all from anywhere else.
Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at 
Tech, and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main 
reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking 
for accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to 
take it with no credit, but I don't want my current school to 
find out at all, so I want to make sure that the procedure is 
done right.
Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
Thanks,
Vejas


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 03:21:57 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 19:21:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJAhhzz3j-jo=J=FSeLpdQ0VVy_9Eyy9dSPDzxeB+eW2Gg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas. I'm pretty sure if you audit a class, it doesn't appear on
your transcript, and since you will only be at Tech for one quarter I
don't think you would be issued a transcript from Tech at all, so the
other school shouldn't have a problem. If you want to be really
careful, you could just sit in on the class and work through the
readings and homework with a reader to get practice without actually
submitting any assignments or signing up for the class. College
classes are a lot more flexible than high school ones as far as
letting people sit in.
This would be good to discuss with whoever runs college prep at LCB
when you get there, but I'm sure this is a common situation they've
dealt with.
Best of luck!
Arielle

On 12/2/15, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or
> could give me some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior
> year and my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a
> place at a college in California, which I deferred.  I received a
> scholarship from this school for a very generous amount of money.
> I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take
> any college courses at all from anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at
> Tech, and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking
> for accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to
> take it with no credit, but I don't want my current school to
> find out at all, so I want to make sure that the procedure is
> done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Dec  3 03:28:42 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 21:28:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY4cURghHzgPzW+=R9Dq-g7Sr+fT-ZEzLrAEth5Y16yn=A@mail.gmail.com>

To be completely honest, your best option might be to simly not take the
college class with LCB.

I didn't do any Blindness Training, and I had no experience trying to get
accomidations at college before I went to college. Other people might
disagree with me, but it just may not be worth losing your scholarship.

Good luck to you!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could give
> me some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year and
> my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place at a
> college in California, which I deferred.  I received a scholarship from
> this school for a very generous amount of money.  I am allowed to keep the
> scholarship provided that I don't take any college courses at all from
> anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at Tech,
> and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main reasons: to learn
> about how tests work and to learn about asking for accommodations in a
> place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take it
> with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at all, so I
> want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 03:57:24 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 22:57:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY4cURghHzgPzW+=R9Dq-g7Sr+fT-ZEzLrAEth5Y16yn=A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
	<CANvQTY4cURghHzgPzW+=R9Dq-g7Sr+fT-ZEzLrAEth5Y16yn=A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <007c01d12d7e$b853e490$28fbadb0$@gmail.com>

Dude, don't, do, that.  It's just not worth it!
I'm usually not this emphatic, but you have an entire list who can answer
any questions about tests, and accommodations if you want.  You can call me
on the phone, or what have you, but shenanigans of that sort are not worth
the risk in my opinion.
You might be able to get away with it; the course does not count, but I
really think your best bet is not to do that and take that kind of a chance.

Pull up your college's disability office on the web and familiarize yourself
with their services.  When you get there, sign up as a student.  
Get your class syllabi a little early, go through them, and see what your
assignments are.   
If you have any questions, we'll help you with the rest
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

To be completely honest, your best option might be to simly not take the
college class with LCB.

I didn't do any Blindness Training, and I had no experience trying to get
accomidations at college before I went to college. Other people might
disagree with me, but it just may not be worth losing your scholarship.

Good luck to you!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could 
> give me some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year 
> and my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place 
> at a college in California, which I deferred.  I received a 
> scholarship from this school for a very generous amount of money.  I 
> am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any 
> college courses at all from anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at 
> Tech, and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main 
> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for 
> accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take 
> it with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at 
> all, so I want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 04:28:53 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 20:28:53 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <007c01d12d7e$b853e490$28fbadb0$@gmail.com>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
	<CANvQTY4cURghHzgPzW+=R9Dq-g7Sr+fT-ZEzLrAEth5Y16yn=A@mail.gmail.com>
	<007c01d12d7e$b853e490$28fbadb0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJCn_45HBFWHWY3VAKUqXfX7_U0x=nSe4i3gK5TWDLfrWw@mail.gmail.com>

I agree you shouldn't do anything to jeopardize your scholarship, but
I don't think that just sitting in on a few class sessions would hurt
your scholarship. They just don't want you to enroll in another
university and get credit from somewhere else.
If you're still unsure, you could contact the scholarship office and
ask about auditing courses.
Arielle

On 12/2/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Dude, don't, do, that.  It's just not worth it!
> I'm usually not this emphatic, but you have an entire list who can answer
> any questions about tests, and accommodations if you want.  You can call me
> on the phone, or what have you, but shenanigans of that sort are not worth
> the risk in my opinion.
> You might be able to get away with it; the course does not count, but I
> really think your best bet is not to do that and take that kind of a
> chance.
>
> Pull up your college's disability office on the web and familiarize
> yourself
> with their services.  When you get there, sign up as a student.
> Get your class syllabi a little early, go through them, and see what your
> assignments are.
> If you have any questions, we'll help you with the rest
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
> KENNEDY via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:29 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
>
> To be completely honest, your best option might be to simly not take the
> college class with LCB.
>
> I didn't do any Blindness Training, and I had no experience trying to get
> accomidations at college before I went to college. Other people might
> disagree with me, but it just may not be worth losing your scholarship.
>
> Good luck to you!
> Kennedy Stomberg
>
> On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could
>> give me some guidance on my situation.
>> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year
>> and my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
>> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place
>> at a college in California, which I deferred.  I received a
>> scholarship from this school for a very generous amount of money.  I
>> am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any
>> college courses at all from anywhere else.
>> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at
>> Tech, and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
>> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for
>> accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
>> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take
>> it with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at
>> all, so I want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
>> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  3 04:48:16 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 23:48:16 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS461668449F27DF4BBF26F87BA0D0@phx.gbl>

Hello Vejas,

I think Arielle made some great suggestions. In addition, I am wondering if
it would make any difference as to what type of class you might want to take
while receiving training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind. 

I know some colleges offer classes on how to be a successful college student
where you learn things such as time management, effective study habits, tips
for taking tests, and other things that make for a successful college
student. I am wondering what your college in California would think about
you taking such a class as a part of your training at the Louisiana Center
for the Blind. Since most scholarships depend on maintaining a certain grade
point average, the college in California might be willing to make an
exception to their rules if you are interested in taking a nonacademic class
that would allow you to be a more successful student once you start taking
classes there.

I have no idea if the college in California would be willing to make an
exception to their rules, but it might be something worth investigating. I
know I was not prepared for college straight out of high school, so I would
definitely encourage anyone to take a college class as a part of their
training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind if they believe it is
something that would benefit them.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth 

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could give me
some guidance on my situation.
I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year and my
first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place at a
college in California, which I deferred.  I received a scholarship from this
school for a very generous amount of money.  
I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any college
courses at all from anywhere else.
Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at Tech, and
I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for
accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take it
with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at all, so I
want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 06:16:44 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 01:16:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS461668449F27DF4BBF26F87BA0D0@phx.gbl>
References: <565fb076.847d3c0a.7f2db.ffff9c39@mx.google.com>
	<COL401-EAS461668449F27DF4BBF26F87BA0D0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FYey9ZKahYGY4tZS0c+FA1YiOBoiwsBG3rko3Hb=cqbkQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

First, it depends on whether or not you actually plan to enroll at
Tech.  As Arielle pointed out, you will only be there for a short
amount of time and if you don't officially enroll they can't even
issue you a transcript.  I definitely agree that you shouldn't
jeopardize your scholarship, but I also see the value in what you are
wanting to do to gain some practical experience with college before
jumping in.  One thing I've recently heard of someone doing was
"unofficially auditting" the class.  You might have interesting times
figuring this out as a new incoming student, but I've heard of people
just consistently sitting in on classes to learn without registering
with the university or officially auditing the class.  I know at our
university people who audit aren't really expected to take the tests
and do the homework if they don't want to since they're not being
graded anyway, but if the prof is willing to still provide you with
electronic coppies of the materials I don't see why you couldn't still
do the work for practice.  I agree that you should ask the college
prep coordinator or Pam, whoever you are in contact with.

You can also call your school's scholarship or financial aid office
and explain the situation.  You don't have to give away specifics if
you don't feel like it, but if you say you're a student with deferred
enrollment who has an opportunity to practice adjusting to college
while receiving some life skills training you could maintain some
annonymity if you're nervous about that being an issue.  However, no
one you talk to on the front lines of an office phone should have any
authority to mess with your scholarship even if you did use your name
and say it was blindness training you're going for, because you
haven't made any final moves yet.  I'd personally recommend just being
upfront about it and say that this is something you'd like to do if it
will not jeopardize your scholarship, because then you could outline
the benefits you'll get out of it.  You could also then have someone
from disability services back you up if you wished, which could
possibly swing things in your favor since you are trying to do a good
thing which would be beneficial to you.

Even if it doesn't work out, Justin makes a good point that you do
have nabs as a resource, as well as any other college student friends
or mentors you might have.  Don't forget about the resources that are
already available, especially because even after you go to LCB and
possibly take the class at Tech taking one class will be very
different from taking 4 or 5 at the same time.

HTH

On 12/2/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Vejas,
>
> I think Arielle made some great suggestions. In addition, I am wondering if
> it would make any difference as to what type of class you might want to
> take
> while receiving training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind.
>
> I know some colleges offer classes on how to be a successful college
> student
> where you learn things such as time management, effective study habits,
> tips
> for taking tests, and other things that make for a successful college
> student. I am wondering what your college in California would think about
> you taking such a class as a part of your training at the Louisiana Center
> for the Blind. Since most scholarships depend on maintaining a certain
> grade
> point average, the college in California might be willing to make an
> exception to their rules if you are interested in taking a nonacademic
> class
> that would allow you to be a more successful student once you start taking
> classes there.
>
> I have no idea if the college in California would be willing to make an
> exception to their rules, but it might be something worth investigating. I
> know I was not prepared for college straight out of high school, so I would
> definitely encourage anyone to take a college class as a part of their
> training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind if they believe it is
> something that would benefit them.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:00 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
>
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could give
> me
> some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year and
> my
> first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place at a
> college in California, which I deferred.  I received a scholarship from
> this
> school for a very generous amount of money.
> I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any college
> courses at all from anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at Tech, and
> I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for
> accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take it
> with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at all, so I
> want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
> _______________________________________________
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>


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Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 06:42:27 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 01:42:27 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
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Hi Vejas,

I agree with Justin.
Its not worth the risk. Like Kennedy, I had no blindness training or 
experience working out college accomodations before attending college. I 
started at George Mason university before transfering to Marymount 
University.
Every college is different, so I'm not so sure that taking a class at tech 
will help you enough to familiarize yourself with accomodations.
For instance, some colleges, usually large state schools, have rather 
bureaucratic rules and procedures for test accomodations.
They might require that you take an exam at the testing center at a 
designated time you set up. They will have a computer with a screen reader 
if you need it. They will only let you use their pcs and their readers. Some 
schools might make you sign in with your ID before taking your exam. Oh, and 
some schools might have you sign the honor code.
Other schools are less strict. Those schools are often smaller schools, 
private or public.
As for test accomodations, your accomodations are typpically double time, 
which I advise taking in case you need it, an alternative test format such 
as electronic copy, a reader if needed to fill in scantron answers, and a 
quiet room. You will likely set up a test appointment through your testing 
center if the school has it or directly through dss.
Some blind students who do not need extra time take exams right in class 
with their own laptops.
That is what test accomodations boil down to. At my first school, george 
mason university, I they did not have a testing center at the time. I 
signed up to take the exam with dss directly and went to a separate room to 
take the test. I used the pc they provided with jaws to do my exam. I was 
provided double time. Back then, I just had to informally present myself and 
they noted when I started the exam; and I left my belongings in the main 
office for someone to watch. You don't take things with you as they do not 
want you to cheat.
Now GMU has a testing center, and much of the procedure is the same, but you 
do have to sign in to take the exam with an ID.

As for accomodations generally, you make your accomodations up with your dss 
counselor. Every school is different. But generally speaking, you give the 
accomodation letter or memo to every professor. You then speak to the 
professors about what you need.
The responsibility is on you to communicate your needs to professors. 
Honestly, I do not think you have much to worry about. If you have practiced 
advocacy skills, and I know you have, you just carry this to college and you 
will be fine. Most professors will honor what you need, but you will get 
those who are difficult. Then you talk to them further in office hours or 
get your dss counselor to help out.
It shouldn't be too hard to receive accomodations.

Now if you really want to see how a class is run at college, then you could 
sit in on several classes with a professor's permission. College classes are 
more lecture based and go faster. This might help you see what college is 
like and how you might take notes and study. How I took notes and studied is 
different in college than in high school!
They lecture on stuff they know. It may or may not be in the book, so taking 
good notes and listening is real important. But in high school, class 
typically repeated the text; at least that was my experience.
Personally, I think how college is taught versus high school is more of a 
difference and concern  than getting accomodations.

Anyway, that's my advice. And as all have said here, you can ask any 
questions you need once you are in college.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: justin williams via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:57 PM
To: 'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'
Cc: justin williams
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Dude, don't, do, that.  It's just not worth it!
I'm usually not this emphatic, but you have an entire list who can answer
any questions about tests, and accommodations if you want.  You can call me
on the phone, or what have you, but shenanigans of that sort are not worth
the risk in my opinion.
You might be able to get away with it; the course does not count, but I
really think your best bet is not to do that and take that kind of a chance.

Pull up your college's disability office on the web and familiarize yourself
with their services.  When you get there, sign up as a student.
Get your class syllabi a little early, go through them, and see what your
assignments are.
If you have any questions, we'll help you with the rest
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of STOMBERG,
KENNEDY via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:29 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: STOMBERG, KENNEDY <kestomberg at coe.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

To be completely honest, your best option might be to simly not take the
college class with LCB.

I didn't do any Blindness Training, and I had no experience trying to get
accomidations at college before I went to college. Other people might
disagree with me, but it just may not be worth losing your scholarship.

Good luck to you!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Wed, Dec 2, 2015 at 9:00 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could
> give me some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year
> and my first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place
> at a college in California, which I deferred.  I received a
> scholarship from this school for a very generous amount of money.  I
> am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any
> college courses at all from anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at
> Tech, and I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for
> accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take
> it with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at
> all, so I want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec  3 06:51:46 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 01:51:46 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
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Well, consistently sitting in on classes without registering probably would 
be a problem.
I suppose if the school and professor are okay with it, you could.
But most professors take attendance unless it’s a large lecture class. You 
cannot easily sneak in a class consistently.
Also, I cannot see the school approving an  unofficial audit.
Kaiti, I'm rather curious which schools people do this at and do so without 
questions.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 1:16 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Hi,

First, it depends on whether or not you actually plan to enroll at
Tech.  As Arielle pointed out, you will only be there for a short
amount of time and if you don't officially enroll they can't even
issue you a transcript.  I definitely agree that you shouldn't
jeopardize your scholarship, but I also see the value in what you are
wanting to do to gain some practical experience with college before
jumping in.  One thing I've recently heard of someone doing was
"unofficially auditting" the class.  You might have interesting times
figuring this out as a new incoming student, but I've heard of people
just consistently sitting in on classes to learn without registering
with the university or officially auditing the class.  I know at our
university people who audit aren't really expected to take the tests
and do the homework if they don't want to since they're not being
graded anyway, but if the prof is willing to still provide you with
electronic coppies of the materials I don't see why you couldn't still
do the work for practice.  I agree that you should ask the college
prep coordinator or Pam, whoever you are in contact with.

You can also call your school's scholarship or financial aid office
and explain the situation.  You don't have to give away specifics if
you don't feel like it, but if you say you're a student with deferred
enrollment who has an opportunity to practice adjusting to college
while receiving some life skills training you could maintain some
annonymity if you're nervous about that being an issue.  However, no
one you talk to on the front lines of an office phone should have any
authority to mess with your scholarship even if you did use your name
and say it was blindness training you're going for, because you
haven't made any final moves yet.  I'd personally recommend just being
upfront about it and say that this is something you'd like to do if it
will not jeopardize your scholarship, because then you could outline
the benefits you'll get out of it.  You could also then have someone
from disability services back you up if you wished, which could
possibly swing things in your favor since you are trying to do a good
thing which would be beneficial to you.

Even if it doesn't work out, Justin makes a good point that you do
have nabs as a resource, as well as any other college student friends
or mentors you might have.  Don't forget about the resources that are
already available, especially because even after you go to LCB and
possibly take the class at Tech taking one class will be very
different from taking 4 or 5 at the same time.

HTH

On 12/2/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello Vejas,
>
> I think Arielle made some great suggestions. In addition, I am wondering 
> if
> it would make any difference as to what type of class you might want to
> take
> while receiving training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind.
>
> I know some colleges offer classes on how to be a successful college
> student
> where you learn things such as time management, effective study habits,
> tips
> for taking tests, and other things that make for a successful college
> student. I am wondering what your college in California would think about
> you taking such a class as a part of your training at the Louisiana Center
> for the Blind. Since most scholarships depend on maintaining a certain
> grade
> point average, the college in California might be willing to make an
> exception to their rules if you are interested in taking a nonacademic
> class
> that would allow you to be a more successful student once you start taking
> classes there.
>
> I have no idea if the college in California would be willing to make an
> exception to their rules, but it might be something worth investigating. I
> know I was not prepared for college straight out of high school, so I 
> would
> definitely encourage anyone to take a college class as a part of their
> training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind if they believe it is
> something that would benefit them.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:00 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
>
> Hi All,
> I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or could give
> me
> some guidance on my situation.
> I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior year and
> my
> first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
> I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a place at a
> college in California, which I deferred.  I received a scholarship from
> this
> school for a very generous amount of money.
> I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take any 
> college
> courses at all from anywhere else.
> Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at Tech, 
> and
> I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
> reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking for
> accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
> I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to take it
> with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at all, so 
> I
> want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
> Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 07:10:25 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 02:10:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions For English Major Students
Message-ID: <753F145B-C7E0-42C7-9270-A75F8E825F49@gmail.com>

Hi all! How are you all? Is anyone here an English Major Student? If so, I would like to ask you some questions regarding a play and a novel that I'm using in ordr to write a five pages analytical  essay. I'm having some issues with it. Feel free to contact me off list in order to tell you my situation in more detail. And if you have skype feel free to contact me by skype as well! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPh

From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 11:41:39 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 06:41:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions For English Major Students
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References: <753F145B-C7E0-42C7-9270-A75F8E825F49@gmail.com>
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Hi Helga,

I am an English Literature major and I would be happy to try and answer some questions for you. What play is it?

Meaghan 

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
President of Wheelock Student Theater 
Wheelock College Class of 2018
ropermeaghan at gmail.com
781-315-2720

> On Dec 3, 2015, at 2:10 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! How are you all? Is anyone here an English Major Student? If so, I would like to ask you some questions regarding a play and a novel that I'm using in ordr to write a five pages analytical  essay. I'm having some issues with it. Feel free to contact me off list in order to tell you my situation in more detail. And if you have skype feel free to contact me by skype as well! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 11:54:31 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:54:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
Message-ID: <56602d94.c6d10d0a.fd68a.3c00@mx.google.com>

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-----Original=20Message-----
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Sent:=20Thursday,=20December=2003,=202015=201:16=20AM
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list
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=20what=20you=20
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from=20disability=20services=20back=20you=20up=20if=20you=20wished,=20which=
=20could
possibly=20swing=20things=20in=20your=20favor=20since=20you=20are=20trying=
=20to=20do=20a=20
good
thing=20which=20would=20be=20beneficial=20to=20you.

Even=20if=20it=20doesn't=20work=20out,=20Justin=20makes=20a=20good=20point=
=20that=20you=20
do
have=20nabs=20as=20a=20resource,=20as=20well=20as=20any=20other=20college=20=
student=20
friends
or=20mentors=20you=20might=20have.=20=20Don't=20forget=20about=20the=20reso=
urces=20that=20
are
already=20available,=20especially=20because=20even=20after=20you=20go=20to=
=20LCB=20
and
possibly=20take=20the=20class=20at=20Tech=20taking=20one=20class=20will=20b=
e=20very
different=20from=20taking=204=20or=205=20at=20the=20same=20time.

HTH

On=2012/2/15,=20Elizabeth=20Mohnke=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>=20
wrote:
=20Hello=20Vejas,

=20I=20think=20Arielle=20made=20some=20great=20suggestions.=20In=20addition=
,=20I=20am=20
wondering
=20if
=20it=20would=20make=20any=20difference=20as=20to=20what=20type=20of=20clas=
s=20you=20might=20
want=20to
=20take
=20while=20receiving=20training=20at=20the=20Louisiana=20Center=20for=20the=
=20Blind.

=20I=20know=20some=20colleges=20offer=20classes=20on=20how=20to=20be=20a=20=
successful=20
college
=20student
=20where=20you=20learn=20things=20such=20as=20time=20management,=20effectiv=
e=20study=20
habits,
=20tips
=20for=20taking=20tests,=20and=20other=20things=20that=20make=20for=20a=20s=
uccessful=20
college
=20student.=20I=20am=20wondering=20what=20your=20college=20in=20California=
=20would=20
think=20about
=20you=20taking=20such=20a=20class=20as=20a=20part=20of=20your=20training=20=
at=20the=20
Louisiana=20Center
=20for=20the=20Blind.=20Since=20most=20scholarships=20depend=20on=20maintai=
ning=20a=20
certain
=20grade
=20point=20average,=20the=20college=20in=20California=20might=20be=20willin=
g=20to=20
make=20an
=20exception=20to=20their=20rules=20if=20you=20are=20interested=20in=20taki=
ng=20a=20
nonacademic
=20class
=20that=20would=20allow=20you=20to=20be=20a=20more=20successful=20student=20=
once=20you=20
start=20taking
=20classes=20there.

=20I=20have=20no=20idea=20if=20the=20college=20in=20California=20would=20be=
=20willing=20to=20
make=20an
=20exception=20to=20their=20rules,=20but=20it=20might=20be=20something=20wo=
rth=20
investigating.=20I
=20know=20I=20was=20not=20prepared=20for=20college=20straight=20out=20of=20=
high=20school,=20
so=20I
=20would
=20definitely=20encourage=20anyone=20to=20take=20a=20college=20class=20as=20=
a=20part=20of=20
their
=20training=20at=20the=20Louisiana=20Center=20for=20the=20Blind=20if=20they=
=20believe=20
it=20is
=20something=20that=20would=20benefit=20them.

=20Warm=20regards,
=20Elizabeth

=20-----Original=20Message-----
=20From:=20nabs-l=20[mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org]=20On=20Behalf=20Of=20=

Vejas
=20Vasiliauskas=20via=20nabs-l
=20Sent:=20Wednesday,=20December=2002,=202015=2010:00=20PM
=20To:=20nabs-l at nfbnet.org
=20Cc:=20Vejas=20Vasiliauskas=20<alpineimagination at gmail.com
=20Subject:=20[nabs-l]=20taking=20a=20college=20class=20for=20no=20credit

=20Hi=20All,
=20I=20was=20wondering=20if=20anyone=20has=20had=20any=20experience=20with=
=20this,=20or=20
could=20give
=20me
=20some=20guidance=20on=20my=20situation.
=20I=20live=20in=20California,=20but=20am=20taking=20a=20year=20off=20betwe=
en=20my=20senior=20
year=20and
=20my
=20first=20year=20of=20college=20so=20that=20I=20can=20attend=20LCB.
=20I=20applied=20for=20college=20last=20year=20as=20a=20senior,=20and=20alr=
eady=20have=20a=20
place=20at=20a
=20college=20in=20California,=20which=20I=20deferred.=20=20I=20received=20a=
=20
scholarship=20from
=20this
=20school=20for=20a=20very=20generous=20amount=20of=20money.
=20I=20am=20allowed=20to=20keep=20the=20scholarship=20provided=20that=20I=20=
don't=20take=20
any
=20college
=20courses=20at=20all=20from=20anywhere=20else.
=20Most=20LCB=20students=20have=20the=20opportunity=20to=20take=20a=20colle=
ge=20class=20
at=20Tech,
=20and
=20I=20would=20like=20to=20be=20able=20to=20do=20that=20too,=20for=20two=20=
main
=20reasons:=20to=20learn=20about=20how=20tests=20work=20and=20to=20learn=20=
about=20asking=20
for
=20accommodations=20in=20a=20place=20where=20I=20have=20lots=20of=20support=


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 11:55:14 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:55:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
Message-ID: <56602dbf.5663810a.db451.3d22@mx.google.com>

This is excellent advice.  Also, many times study skills classes 
like this aren't for credit, so if this is the case, your school 
might have less of a problem with you taking a class like this.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 2 Dec 2015 23:48:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Hello Vejas,

I think Arielle made some great suggestions. In addition, I am 
wondering if
it would make any difference as to what type of class you might 
want to take
while receiving training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind.

I know some colleges offer classes on how to be a successful 
college student
where you learn things such as time management, effective study 
habits, tips
for taking tests, and other things that make for a successful 
college
student. I am wondering what your college in California would 
think about
you taking such a class as a part of your training at the 
Louisiana Center
for the Blind. Since most scholarships depend on maintaining a 
certain grade
point average, the college in California might be willing to make 
an
exception to their rules if you are interested in taking a 
nonacademic class
that would allow you to be a more successful student once you 
start taking
classes there.

I have no idea if the college in California would be willing to 
make an
exception to their rules, but it might be something worth 
investigating. I
know I was not prepared for college straight out of high school, 
so I would
definitely encourage anyone to take a college class as a part of 
their
training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind if they believe it 
is
something that would benefit them.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:00 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Hi All,
I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or 
could give me
some guidance on my situation.
I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior 
year and my
first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a 
place at a
college in California, which I deferred.  I received a 
scholarship from this
school for a very generous amount of money.
I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take 
any college
courses at all from anywhere else.
Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class at 
Tech, and
I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking 
for
accommodations in a place where I have lots of support.
I have heard that it is possible to audit a class, which means to 
take it
with no credit, but I don't want my current school to find out at 
all, so I
want to make sure that the procedure is done right.
Any advice on how to approach this would be welcome.
Thanks,
Vejas

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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 14:42:52 2015
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:42:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Business math book
Message-ID: <CAAHz73m9HGs5vjN3eE_MSzdjvwO+UP3S8J_xt1gftT9MkneK9Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hello, my name is Jason Polansky. I am a freshman at Messiah College
outside of Harrisburg, PA, studying marketing. Next semester, I am
taking a class called applied math for management. So far, the
disability services office has not been able to locate a Braille copy
of the book. The book is called Mathematics for Economics and
Business, and the author is Soper. I found three electronic books on
VitalSource with the same title, but by a different author, but I
don't know how helpful an electronic math book would be. Another
possible option would be to buy the book from the bookstore and scan
it, but I don't know how well Kurzweil scans math. I was wondering if
any of you have taken a similar class and/or used a Braille copy of
this book or a similar one and if you would be willing to either sell
or lend it to me. I have also researched information about a computer
language for math called LaTeX, but it didn't really make sense to me,
and I don't know if it would be worth learning for one class or if I
would need it for accounting next year. If some of you have taken a
similar class and not been able to get the book in Braille, I would
like to know how you managed this class successfully.


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 14:55:04 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:55:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Business math book
In-Reply-To: <CAAHz73m9HGs5vjN3eE_MSzdjvwO+UP3S8J_xt1gftT9MkneK9Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAHz73m9HGs5vjN3eE_MSzdjvwO+UP3S8J_xt1gftT9MkneK9Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006b01d12dda$987463a0$c95d2ae0$@gmail.com>

Hi Jason!
	I'm so glad to hear you are taking Math-related courses.
I have not used that book in the past, however I have some ideas for you.
Has the professor provided you with the syllabus yet?
I think buying the book and having the Disabilities Office scan it for you
and give it to you as a pdf version is going to be your best bet.
Particularly since you need it in a month's time. 
For Accounting, I highly recommend working on your Excel skills with Jaws,
but not using LaTex for that class. Is it Financial or Managerial
Accounting?
As long as you get the book in a readable format (pdf preferably) then you
can rely heavily on Excel sheets and even tables in Word for t-charts and
financial statements.
I am a big fan of LaTex for math-heavy courses such as multi variate
calculus and linear algebra, but I do not typically use Tex in my business
courses.
I am happy to expand upon anything that needs clarification, and of course
call me any time to chat about ways we can make sure you get the best out of
this course.

Happy holidays,
Kathryn Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Jason Polansky
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 3, 2015 9:43 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Jason Polansky
Subject: [nabs-l] Business math book

Hello, my name is Jason Polansky. I am a freshman at Messiah College outside
of Harrisburg, PA, studying marketing. Next semester, I am taking a class
called applied math for management. So far, the disability services office
has not been able to locate a Braille copy of the book. The book is called
Mathematics for Economics and Business, and the author is Soper. I found
three electronic books on VitalSource with the same title, but by a
different author, but I don't know how helpful an electronic math book would
be. Another possible option would be to buy the book from the bookstore and
scan it, but I don't know how well Kurzweil scans math. I was wondering if
any of you have taken a similar class and/or used a Braille copy of this
book or a similar one and if you would be willing to either sell or lend it
to me. I have also researched information about a computer language for math
called LaTeX, but it didn't really make sense to me, and I don't know if it
would be worth learning for one class or if I would need it for accounting
next year. If some of you have taken a similar class and not been able to
get the book in Braille, I would like to know how you managed this class
successfully.

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From GCazares at nfb.org  Thu Dec  3 15:08:32 2015
From: GCazares at nfb.org (Cazares, Gabe)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 15:08:32 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Reminder: International Day of Persons with
	Disabilities Tomorrow
Message-ID: <CY1PR0701MB169326ECBEB769FD47D7D610DE0D0@CY1PR0701MB1693.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Good Morning Students!
Don't forget, today is #IDPD15, another opportunity to talk about the importance of the Marrakesh Treaty. As of now, I've seen very little student participation on the Twitterverse, let's turn that around! All the info you need is in my earlier message below.
Let's talk Marrakesh!

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>

From: Cazares, Gabe
Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 3:16 PM
To: Cazares, Gabe
Subject: Reminder: International Day of Persons with Disabilities Tomorrow

Howdy Federation Family,
Don't forget, tomorrow the United Nations will be celebrating the International Day of Persons with Disabilities, and this will be another great opportunity to highlight the Marrakesh Treaty.

What You Need to Do

Tweet using the hash tag #IDPD15, and call the following individuals' offices:
John Kerry
Secretary of State
U.S. Department of State
@JohnKerry
(202) 647-9572

Cathy Novelli, (A familiar name to this campaign!)
Under Secretary and Senior Coordinator for International Information Technology Diplomacy
U.S. Department of State
@CathyNovelli
(202) 647-7575

Maria Pallante
United States Register of Copyrights and Director
Office of the Register and Associate Librarian for Copyright Services, U.S. Copyright Office, Library of Congress [LOC]
@CopyrightOffice
(202) 707-8350

When you call, let them know you are a blind American who is a supporter of the Marrakesh Treaty. Encourage them to do their part to ensure the ratification package is promptly sent to the Senate to begin the ratification process.

Sample Tweets
Inclusion matters. That means releasing the ratification package for the #MarrakeshTreaty. @JohnKerry @CopyrightOffice @cathyNovelli #IDPD15

. at JohnKerry<mailto:. at JohnKerry>, you have the power to move the ratification package for the #MarrakeshTreaty along. Please help. #IDPD15

. at CopyrightOffice<mailto:. at CopyrightOffice>, let's work together to ensure literacy for all. #IDPD15 #MarrakeshTreaty

Wondering why the #MarrakeshTreaty matters? Learn more here. https://nfb.org/marrakeshfactsheet #IDPD15

Today is #IDPD15. Help us remind @JohnKerry, @CopyrightOffice & @CathyNovelli that it's time for the #MarrakeshTreaty
@JohnKerry, today is #IDPD15. Help move the ratification package for the #MarrakeshTreaty.

@CathyNovelli, Please help move the ratification package for the #MarrakeshTreaty. #IDPD15

@CopyrightOffice, you can make a difference. Help move the ratification package for the #Marrakesh Treaty. #IDPD15

2 years 2 long. Move the ratification package for the #MarrakeshTreaty. @JohnKerry @CathyNovelli @CopyrightOffice #IDPD15

Millions of #PWD want to read. @CopyrightOffice, you can help. Move the ratification Package for the #MarrakeshTreaty. #IDPD15

If you have any questions, please do not hesitate to let me know. I look forward to another exciting day of engagement for the Marrakesh Treaty tomorrow! Let's go build the Federation!

...Gabe

Gabe Cazares
Government Affairs Specialist
National Federation of the Blind
200 East Wells Street
At Jernigan Place
Baltimore, MD 21230
E: gcazares at nfb.org<mailto:gcazares at nfb.org>
P: 410-659-9314 Ext. 2206
T: @gmcazares

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back.

To make a donation to the National Federation of the Blind Imagination Fund campaign, please visit www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture<http://www.nfb.org/ImaginingOurFuture>


From sparklylicious at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 16:00:06 2015
From: sparklylicious at gmail.com (Hannah Chadwick)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 08:00:06 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
Message-ID: <5660673e.980c620a.a7e2d.ffffb07b@mx.google.com>

Vejas,
One potential problem with not enrolling in a class could be that 
it may be difficult to get accommodations.  If you're only 
auditting, the professor or the disability student services may 
not be as willing to accommodate you.  Based on your email, you 
are looking to gain experience in advocating for your 
accommodations as well as insight to test taking in college.  
Personally, I think that these experiences are learned overtime 
and they definitely vary from class to class.  Every course has 
different expectations, different ways to test the students' 
knowledge, and the accommodations you would need for that class 
may be different as well.  With all this in mind, I think it 
would be hard to just take one or two classes and have your 
expectations met.  This is not to say that it wouldn't be a good 
idea to get some college experience before attending.
You could also find some blind students or recent graduates from 
the college you would be ajtending to ask how the accommodations 
worked out for them, and the classes they took that worked out 
well for them.  If you know your major already, you could do 
further research.  There are lots of resources to help you 
navigate college.  Good luck and let us know how it goes!
Best, Hannah

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing 
list<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 06:54:31 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

You wouldn't want to sneak in, but it would maybe be possible to
get permission from the professor to do this.  Many schools won't
allow it though because they have rules against people who aren't
students there sitting in on classes.  I've sat in on several
classes at my college with professor permission, but it's
different because I'm a student there.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "National Association of Blind Students mailing list"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 01:51:46 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Well, consistently sitting in on classes without registering
probably would
be a problem.
I suppose if the school and professor are okay with it, you
could.
But most professors take attendance unless it?? a large lecture
class.  You
cannot easily sneak in a class consistently.
Also, I cannot see the school approving an  unofficial audit.
Kaiti, I'm rather curious which schools people do this at and do
so without
questions.

Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 03, 2015 1:16 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Kaiti Shelton
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

Hi,

First, it depends on whether or not you actually plan to enroll
at
Tech.  As Arielle pointed out, you will only be there for a short
amount of time and if you don't officially enroll they can't even
issue you a transcript.  I definitely agree that you shouldn't
jeopardize your scholarship, but I also see the value in what you
are
wanting to do to gain some practical experience with college
before
jumping in.  One thing I've recently heard of someone doing was
"unofficially auditting" the class.  You might have interesting
times
figuring this out as a new incoming student, but I've heard of
people
just consistently sitting in on classes to learn without
registering
with the university or officially auditing the class.  I know at
our
university people who audit aren't really expected to take the
tests
and do the homework if they don't want to since they're not being
graded anyway, but if the prof is willing to still provide you
with
electronic coppies of the materials I don't see why you couldn't
still
do the work for practice.  I agree that you should ask the
college
prep coordinator or Pam, whoever you are in contact with.

You can also call your school's scholarship or financial aid
office
and explain the situation.  You don't have to give away specifics
if
you don't feel like it, but if you say you're a student with
deferred
enrollment who has an opportunity to practice adjusting to
college
while receiving some life skills training you could maintain some
annonymity if you're nervous about that being an issue.  However,
no
one you talk to on the front lines of an office phone should have
any
authority to mess with your scholarship even if you did use your
name
and say it was blindness training you're going for, because you
haven't made any final moves yet.  I'd personally recommend just
being
upfront about it and say that this is something you'd like to do
if it
will not jeopardize your scholarship, because then you could
outline
the benefits you'll get out of it.  You could also then have
someone
from disability services back you up if you wished, which could
possibly swing things in your favor since you are trying to do a
good
thing which would be beneficial to you.

Even if it doesn't work out, Justin makes a good point that you
do
have nabs as a resource, as well as any other college student
friends
or mentors you might have.  Don't forget about the resources that
are
already available, especially because even after you go to LCB
and
possibly take the class at Tech taking one class will be very
different from taking 4 or 5 at the same time.

HTH

On 12/2/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
wrote:
 Hello Vejas,

 I think Arielle made some great suggestions.  In addition, I am
wondering
 if
 it would make any difference as to what type of class you might
want to
 take
 while receiving training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind.

 I know some colleges offer classes on how to be a successful
college
 student
 where you learn things such as time management, effective study
habits,
 tips
 for taking tests, and other things that make for a successful
college
 student.  I am wondering what your college in California would
think about
 you taking such a class as a part of your training at the
Louisiana Center
 for the Blind.  Since most scholarships depend on maintaining a
certain
 grade
 point average, the college in California might be willing to
make an
 exception to their rules if you are interested in taking a
nonacademic
 class
 that would allow you to be a more successful student once you
start taking
 classes there.

 I have no idea if the college in California would be willing to
make an
 exception to their rules, but it might be something worth
investigating.  I
 know I was not prepared for college straight out of high school,
so I
 would
 definitely encourage anyone to take a college class as a part of
their
 training at the Louisiana Center for the Blind if they believe
it is
 something that would benefit them.

 Warm regards,
 Elizabeth

 -----Original Message-----
 From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of
Vejas
 Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
 Sent: Wednesday, December 02, 2015 10:00 PM
 To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
 Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit

 Hi All,
 I was wondering if anyone has had any experience with this, or
could give
 me
 some guidance on my situation.
 I live in California, but am taking a year off between my senior
year and
 my
 first year of college so that I can attend LCB.
 I applied for college last year as a senior, and already have a
place at a
 college in California, which I deferred.  I received a
scholarship from
 this
 school for a very generous amount of money.
 I am allowed to keep the scholarship provided that I don't take
any
 college
 courses at all from anywhere else.
 Most LCB students have the opportunity to take a college class
at Tech,
 and
 I would like to be able to do that too, for two main
 reasons: to learn about how tests work and to learn about asking
for
 accommodations in a place where I have lots of support



From sgermano at asu.edu  Thu Dec  3 16:18:33 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:18:33 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessibility in iOS and Android
Message-ID: <CAF=_avcRSk9hQUD-7TTBhPOH+GJLPHFG0Dmb82VUxTtggZAxcQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi

My capstone group developed a tour app of Arizona States Universities
School of Engineering. As a legally blind person, I have pushed to make it
accessible. Not an easy task, they don't get it!

I am wondering what photos need ot be described? For example your are to go
to the next point which is Physical Science let's say. The app has a map
and text directions. When you get there you can view videos, view photos
and listen to audio. Mostly the photos are of the building. Would you want
those all alt texted with descriptions or just make sure the audio includes
descriptions of what is in the building? The photos are downloaded as you
arrive at a point form the server so alt text was not set in xCode. I am
not sure how to do it dynamically also I would need to change the structure
of the xml file that we get the links from.

We have an Android version also.

Are photos in this situation something that is normally alt texted?

We are handing it off to the engineering depart this week but I want to
include a document stating what need to be added to ensure accessibility.
No one else will even think about it.

Thank you
Suzanne

From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 17:27:47 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 3 Dec 2015 12:27:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions For English Major Students
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Hi Megan. This is Helga! How are you? Would it be possible fo ryou to write me off list? I'm just wondering in order not to clutter the list! My email is helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com I look forward in hearing from you soon. I iwll really appreciate it a lot! Thanks and God bless!  

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
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> On Dec 3, 2015, at 6:41 AM, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Helga,
> 
> I am an English Literature major and I would be happy to try and answer some questions for you. What play is it?
> 
> Meaghan 
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Earl Center for Learning
> And Innovation
> ECA Associate
> Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
> President of Wheelock Student Theater 
> Wheelock College Class of 2018
> ropermeaghan at gmail.com
> 781-315-2720
> 
>> On Dec 3, 2015, at 2:10 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! How are you all? Is anyone here an English Major Student? If so, I would like to ask you some questions regarding a play and a novel that I'm using in ordr to write a five pages analytical  essay. I'm having some issues with it. Feel free to contact me off list in order to tell you my situation in more detail. And if you have skype feel free to contact me by skype as well! I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks so much and God bless! 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
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From lizzym0827 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  3 17:50:06 2015
From: lizzym0827 at gmail.com (Lizzy)
Date: Thu, 03 Dec 2015 12:50:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] taking a college class for no credit
Message-ID: <566080d8.6e658c0a.5e51.4a4b@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,
I just want to strongly second what has been said about being 100 
percent open and honest, it can't hurt you to ask a question, 
however it can hurt you to do things based on conjecture.  Since 
you have a scholarship at steak here, I urge you to reach out to 
both parties-LCB and the scholarship office-to see what can be 
done.  I don't see why you couldn't audit the class and I really 
don't think it will be an issue but it's better to ask and 
receive a yes or no than to make a move and risk your 
scholarship.  Finally, I'm not sure how it is at Tech, but at my 
college you can audit classes officially or unofficially as all 
classes are open to the public, but if you audit unofficially the 
professor does not have to take the time out to give you feedback 
on work that you may choose to turn in.
HTH and let us know what you find about this topic, I'm curious 
to know how it will turn out,
Lizzy


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 23:43:15 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 18:43:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org
Message-ID: <CAFja7FaH2X846+oV2ggaouJKpyp7PL51SXv+ebZ3HR8mxwxAHA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, fellow students,

I hope that you all are doing well as finals approach, and that you
high school seniors especially aren't too stressed out over your
applications for schools.  I, for one, am excited about Christmas
coming up and hope you all are too.

A disability awareness club at my college has just started up this
semester.  One of our community outreach events that will be an
on-going project is to host accessible movie nights a few times per
semester.  Tonight we're hosting one and will be watching The Grinch
with DVS.  I have a few questions for those of you who might use
described DVDs more than I do.

1.  Where can you get the DVDs?  I wasn't very impressed with the
service from my state's library for the blind and physically
handicapped.  Their catalog seems fairly out of date.  Apparently the
only two Christmas movies they have are something called "The
Christmas Miracle," and "Scrooge," which is a musical.  I ordered
these over a week ago in anticipation of the event and was told they
should be here in 3-5 business days.  Longer than that has passed and
those movies are not there.  Thankfully, I have a little video/record
store within a short walk of my house and was able to pick up the
Grinch for just a few bucks, because I knew it had DVS on the DVD as I
used to have a copy in my family.  I was shocked that they didn't have
the modern classics like Elf or the Polar Express, or even the
standard clay-mation videos I grew up watching with my parents.  I
suppose it worked out better because the Grinch is something college
kids would actually watch sooner than they would want to watch the two
movies the library had, but I'm looking for some more current titles.
Is it possible to buy them directly from WGBH where I know a lot of
the descriptive tracks are recorded?  Are there other venders that any
of you are aware of?

2.  Is it possible to have DVS and captioning playing on a DVD at the
same time?  The lady at the library didn't seem to know anything about
this, but as we're trying to be as accessible as we can we want to be
accommodating for anyone, and if I as a blind person want to watch a
movie with a deaf friend, that should also be a thing, right?  We've
talked about partnering with the sign language club and possibly have
them sign parts of the movie, but that could be a lot of work for them
even if members took shifts, and it wouldn't be as accommodating to
any deaf people watching as they'd have to watch the screen and the
signing person off to the side.

3.  Are there any general thoughts on this?  So far I think we have a
nice set up with a wheelchair accessible room big enough for a large
group of people, audio description, and hopefully captioning if we can
work it out.  I as treasurer sell snacks for a very minimal price and
admission is free.  This is just to help us make a little money off
the event while still showing people a good and inexpensive time.  I'm
interested to see if anyone outside our little group has suggestions
though, so anything at all would be received with gratitude.

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Fri Dec  4 23:59:22 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:59:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org
Message-ID: <566228f9.84c00d0a.d65d4.ffff8810@mx.google.com>

Hi Kaiti,

As far as I'm aware, almost all movies on DVD or Blueray come 
with captioning and almost all the blueray movies come with 
descriptive video.  Getting classics with description might be 
more difficult, but newer movies should have it.  I also know 
that Dizny is now committed to having DVS for all their movies.  
I've also heard that Netflicks is moving towards wide spread 
descriptive video, but I haven't used it to know.

Best,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 18:43:15 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org

Hi, fellow students,

I hope that you all are doing well as finals approach, and that 
you
high school seniors especially aren't too stressed out over your
applications for schools.  I, for one, am excited about Christmas
coming up and hope you all are too.

A disability awareness club at my college has just started up 
this
semester.  One of our community outreach events that will be an
on-going project is to host accessible movie nights a few times 
per
semester.  Tonight we're hosting one and will be watching The 
Grinch
with DVS.  I have a few questions for those of you who might use
described DVDs more than I do.

1.  Where can you get the DVDs?  I wasn't very impressed with the
service from my state's library for the blind and physically
handicapped.  Their catalog seems fairly out of date.  Apparently 
the
only two Christmas movies they have are something called "The
Christmas Miracle," and "Scrooge," which is a musical.  I ordered
these over a week ago in anticipation of the event and was told 
they
should be here in 3-5 business days.  Longer than that has passed 
and
those movies are not there.  Thankfully, I have a little 
video/record
store within a short walk of my house and was able to pick up the
Grinch for just a few bucks, because I knew it had DVS on the DVD 
as I
used to have a copy in my family.  I was shocked that they didn't 
have
the modern classics like Elf or the Polar Express, or even the
standard clay-mation videos I grew up watching with my parents.  
I
suppose it worked out better because the Grinch is something 
college
kids would actually watch sooner than they would want to watch 
the two
movies the library had, but I'm looking for some more current 
titles.
Is it possible to buy them directly from WGBH where I know a lot 
of
the descriptive tracks are recorded?  Are there other venders 
that any
of you are aware of?

2.  Is it possible to have DVS and captioning playing on a DVD at 
the
same time?  The lady at the library didn't seem to know anything 
about
this, but as we're trying to be as accessible as we can we want 
to be
accommodating for anyone, and if I as a blind person want to 
watch a
movie with a deaf friend, that should also be a thing, right?  
We've
talked about partnering with the sign language club and possibly 
have
them sign parts of the movie, but that could be a lot of work for 
them
even if members took shifts, and it wouldn't be as accommodating 
to
any deaf people watching as they'd have to watch the screen and 
the
signing person off to the side.

3.  Are there any general thoughts on this?  So far I think we 
have a
nice set up with a wheelchair accessible room big enough for a 
large
group of people, audio description, and hopefully captioning if 
we can
work it out.  I as treasurer sell snacks for a very minimal price 
and
admission is free.  This is just to help us make a little money 
off
the event while still showing people a good and inexpensive time.  
I'm
interested to see if anyone outside our little group has 
suggestions
though, so anything at all would be received with gratitude.

Thanks,

--
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you 
back!"

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From dsmithnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 00:12:17 2015
From: dsmithnfb at gmail.com (Darian Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 16:12:17 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] The Foundation of our  Federation
Message-ID: <EE25E520-FE6F-443B-9D5F-31421190E209@gmail.com>

Hey folks,
 Just wanted to share an  article from last months braille monitor and hopefully get some thoughts from you all.
  Darian  
 
The Foundation of Our Federation

by Jeannie Massay

From the Editor: Jeannie Massay is a member of the National Federation of the Blind Board of Directors, the state president of the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma, and she works as a Licensed Professional Counselor in her newly established private practice, addressing mental health and behavioral concerns. In this article she writes in her capacity as the chairman of the National Federation of the Blind Membership Committee, and here is what she says:

What did you think of when you read the title of this article? Perhaps you thought of one or more of our leaders in the organized blind movement who have been visibly active over the years. I too think of President Riccobono, Dr. Maurer, Dr. Jernigan, Barbara Pierce, Joanne Wilson, Dianne McGeorge, and countless others. They are all leaders in our movement and have all played and continue to play vital roles in the Federation today. I believe that the most important decision that they all made as blind people was to join and become active members in the National Federation of the Blind. Without that pivotal decision they would not be the people they have become, nor would our beloved organization, which many of us call family, be the leading force in blindness that it is today. 

You may have heard me or others say that the National Federation of the Blind is a membership-driven organization. What exactly does that mean? In simple terms it means that without our members, without you and without me, the National Federation of the Blind would not have the collective voice to drive change in seeking equality in education and employment, the collective action to facilitate changes in legislation that bring about civil rights equality, the power to make sure that blind parents don’t have their children removed solely on the basis of their being blind—I could go on. Without members there would be no Federation. 

Now let me go back to the title of this article—The Foundation of the Federation. When President Riccobono asked me to chair the membership committee, I accepted the challenge and then began thinking back over the years that I have been a part of the Federation. It occurred to me that no one ever really asked me to join. I paid my dues, and that was that. I then began to think about the many individuals I have invited to local chapter meetings or to our affiliate and national conventions. I had an interesting epiphany: I never really asked any of them to join. 

It has become clear to me that, while we are very passionate about what we do, we are not always focused on finding blind people wherever they may be and then bringing them into the family by actively asking them, “Please join us; we need your help.” I know of many blind people in Oklahoma and across the nation who do not yet understand what the Federation can bring to their lives, so we need to help them discover what being a member of the organization can do for them. We are living the lives that we want, and this is why we boldly affirm and must share what we have learned: that blindness is not the characteristic that defines us and that together we must address those obstacles that stand between us and living the lives we want. The Federation found me where I was and took me to where I could believe in myself again. I fervently want this for every blind person. Don’t you? 

At our national convention held in July of this year, the membership committee held a meeting that was exciting! The room was packed. The meeting was dynamic, interesting, and participants left with real examples of how to bring in new members. Six speakers made presentations about what they have done and are doing to bring the positive message of the Federation to blind people and their families and friends. Beyond bringing the message, they explained how they are working on bringing these men and women into the Federation family.

The speakers (listed here in no particular order) were Amy Porterfield from Arizona, Lisamaria Martinez from California, Shawn Callaway from the District of Columbia, Jimmy Boehm from Tennessee, Mary Jo Hartle from Maryland, and Jedi Moerke from Oklahoma. Each speaker enthusiastically came to share his or her secrets about how they are growing our Federation family. 

Lisamaria told us about an event called “Discover You” where NFB of California members spoke about and demonstrated technology, discussed employment, promoted sports and recreation, and shared tips and tricks about being blind parents. The event brought in more than one hundred attendees from all over the Bay area. Members from several chapters came together to telephone every name on any list they could get and to visit agencies who regularly work with blind people. This really paid off. She said, “We partnered with the Lighthouse to use their facility. They also helped out by adding to our list of presenters and by chipping in for the meals.” Another comment was that the California affiliate board’s decision to help members get to the state convention was a tremendous benefit in bringing them to the transformative experience a convention can represent. The NFBCA Board voted to charter buses from different parts of the state to encourage and make financially feasible the opportunity to attend. The newly found members were encouraged to attend a national convention. We all know how important this gathering can be in showing new people the big picture through highlighting all we do, but what is sometimes overlooked is how much stronger we become by spending time together.

The idea of getting new members to attend state affiliate and national conventions seems to be a solid strategy that is shared by many affiliates and for good reason. Amy Porterfield from Arizona spoke about the Membership Recruitment and Engagement Committee for the affiliate. Amy said, “We aim to bring in new members and help find a lasting role for them in an area where they both bring and feel value. We have a very diverse spectrum of members on our committee, including members from each chapter and division. We also include members with a range of experience in the Federation and with a wide range of interests.” In order to bring this concept to all chapters in the affiliate the NFBA Membership Recruitment and Engagement committee developed a traveling road show that visited all local chapters in Arizona. Every meeting included a philosophy/membership training session that allowed new members to learn about us, while encouraging our more established membership to welcome and mentor new members. Amy’s final remark about membership recruitment and engagement was this, “The NFBA affiliate relies heavily on all the branding and messaging that is provided by our national office and board. We find that the one-minute message is a vital element in educating others as well as our other tools. The value statement is foundational and reminds us about why we are spreading the Federation philosophy.” 

Shawn Callaway, president of the National Federation of the Blind of the District of Columbia delivered a similar message. He stressed how important it is that we create opportunities to meet blind people who can use the information we possess about the adjustment to blindness and who have not had the opportunity to meet us and hear our message of hope. The DC Affiliate planned an event in cooperation with the DC Independent Living Council. This event, as did ones mentioned earlier, brought in many new faces. Shawn proudly announced that the DC chapter would soon surpass one hundred dues-paying members. 

Jimmy Boehm, membership chair in the Tennessee affiliate, also spoke passionately on the necessity of finding blind people where they are and bringing the message of the Federation to them. Jimmy and others in the Tennessee affiliate have begun efforts at finding blind college students by organizing a chapter on campus and having official chapter meetings by applying to be a campus-recognized organization. By doing so, the chapter was able to secure funding for members to attend the Tennessee affiliate convention and funding to assist members in attending the national convention this year. 

“Growing our movement requires that we not only meet people where they are, but that we provide them needed information enabling them to move forward on their journeys toward living the lives they want,” said Jedi Moerke, president of the T-Town Chapter of the National Federation of the Blind of Oklahoma. She went on to describe an event planned and executed by the chapter. “Last October our chapter held a seminar for local vocational rehabilitation consumers. The half-day seminar covered a variety of important topics including the value of blindness training featuring high expectations and an empowering curriculum; a variety of everyday jobs blind people do; the steps to the rehabilitation process; advocacy in the rehabilitation process; and an opportunity to hear from executive agency leadership regarding available services and the direction in which our agency is headed. They heard from real blind people who went to training, got jobs, and are leading fulfilling lives. We expected at least twenty-five participants. We had double that number in our audience! Some participants joined our chapter, and others continue to remain in contact with us. Many attended our most recent state convention.”

No report of our convention meeting would be complete without mentioning the comments of Mary Jo Hartle during her presentation. She is the president of the newly formed chapter in the Greater Baltimore area. Mary Jo said, “Our chapter meets on a weekday evening closer to the area that we live in. We were coming to the National Center for the Blind for the chapter meetings on Saturdays, but it took us over an hour one way to get to the meeting and another to get back home. With kids it just wasn’t making sense for us. We decided to organize a second chapter so that members would have a choice of meeting days, times, and locations. Things have worked out really well. Our chapter is growing, and our original chapter in Baltimore has not diminished in size. This presents a growth opportunity that we need to look into wherever we have chapters in large cities. We can find many more people in this manner.” 

In all of the presentations summarized above, you will note a shared theme: that we must find people where they are. We then love them into the Federation family by educating and helping them to discover that blindness is not what holds them back. They can live the lives they want and we, the members of their new family, are standing beside them every step of the way. We continue the forward momentum of the Federation by finding blind people and asking them to join our family. To help perspective members learn more about us, tell them about our new member homepage at <www.nfb.org/how-join <https://nfb.org/images/nfb/publications/bm/bm15/bm1510/www.nfb.org/how-join>>, but always remember that no webpage or piece of literature can substitute for the personal contact of a friend, mentor, and Federation family member.

Wherever we find new members to grow the Federation, we must begin and keep the momentum going. Let’s go build the Federation!



From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Sat Dec  5 01:09:13 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 19:09:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaH2X846+oV2ggaouJKpyp7PL51SXv+ebZ3HR8mxwxAHA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaH2X846+oV2ggaouJKpyp7PL51SXv+ebZ3HR8mxwxAHA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuaAOKMaWYPqB8L1+O2Lf4WfcTB05SRLAsKLgG473VA6itMcg@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Kaiti and all,
If you do not mind just having a MP3 file of the movie; I would try
Blind Mice Mart. I have noticed a lot of Christmas titles in their
catalog. Another plus is that you can download them for free.

HTH

Jonathan Franks
Treasurer
Texas Association of Blind Students

On 12/4/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi, fellow students,
>
> I hope that you all are doing well as finals approach, and that you
> high school seniors especially aren't too stressed out over your
> applications for schools.  I, for one, am excited about Christmas
> coming up and hope you all are too.
>
> A disability awareness club at my college has just started up this
> semester.  One of our community outreach events that will be an
> on-going project is to host accessible movie nights a few times per
> semester.  Tonight we're hosting one and will be watching The Grinch
> with DVS.  I have a few questions for those of you who might use
> described DVDs more than I do.
>
> 1.  Where can you get the DVDs?  I wasn't very impressed with the
> service from my state's library for the blind and physically
> handicapped.  Their catalog seems fairly out of date.  Apparently the
> only two Christmas movies they have are something called "The
> Christmas Miracle," and "Scrooge," which is a musical.  I ordered
> these over a week ago in anticipation of the event and was told they
> should be here in 3-5 business days.  Longer than that has passed and
> those movies are not there.  Thankfully, I have a little video/record
> store within a short walk of my house and was able to pick up the
> Grinch for just a few bucks, because I knew it had DVS on the DVD as I
> used to have a copy in my family.  I was shocked that they didn't have
> the modern classics like Elf or the Polar Express, or even the
> standard clay-mation videos I grew up watching with my parents.  I
> suppose it worked out better because the Grinch is something college
> kids would actually watch sooner than they would want to watch the two
> movies the library had, but I'm looking for some more current titles.
> Is it possible to buy them directly from WGBH where I know a lot of
> the descriptive tracks are recorded?  Are there other venders that any
> of you are aware of?
>
> 2.  Is it possible to have DVS and captioning playing on a DVD at the
> same time?  The lady at the library didn't seem to know anything about
> this, but as we're trying to be as accessible as we can we want to be
> accommodating for anyone, and if I as a blind person want to watch a
> movie with a deaf friend, that should also be a thing, right?  We've
> talked about partnering with the sign language club and possibly have
> them sign parts of the movie, but that could be a lot of work for them
> even if members took shifts, and it wouldn't be as accommodating to
> any deaf people watching as they'd have to watch the screen and the
> signing person off to the side.
>
> 3.  Are there any general thoughts on this?  So far I think we have a
> nice set up with a wheelchair accessible room big enough for a large
> group of people, audio description, and hopefully captioning if we can
> work it out.  I as treasurer sell snacks for a very minimal price and
> admission is free.  This is just to help us make a little money off
> the event while still showing people a good and inexpensive time.  I'm
> interested to see if anyone outside our little group has suggestions
> though, so anything at all would be received with gratitude.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
>
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
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>


-- 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Sat Dec  5 02:43:31 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 20:43:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org
In-Reply-To: <CAMuaAOKMaWYPqB8L1+O2Lf4WfcTB05SRLAsKLgG473VA6itMcg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaH2X846+oV2ggaouJKpyp7PL51SXv+ebZ3HR8mxwxAHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMuaAOKMaWYPqB8L1+O2Lf4WfcTB05SRLAsKLgG473VA6itMcg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY4jdLR2yURUsDnci3mZ-fCCu=HbEiDZmqzH2U9cKwXk0g@mail.gmail.com>

It should be possible to get Descriptive Audio and Captioning at the same
time. I'm not sure how.
But in terms of getting Descriptive Audio, that is something that comes
with all modern DVDS, those produced in the last four or five years. I
believe what you do is go into the Language settings on the Main Minu that
comes up on the screne when you start the DVD. Within the Language Settings
you should be able to click on Descriptive Aueio.
You may need a sighted person to do this part.

Good luck! Congratulations on your noble effort!

On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hey Kaiti and all,
> If you do not mind just having a MP3 file of the movie; I would try
> Blind Mice Mart. I have noticed a lot of Christmas titles in their
> catalog. Another plus is that you can download them for free.
>
> HTH
>
> Jonathan Franks
> Treasurer
> Texas Association of Blind Students
>
> On 12/4/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > Hi, fellow students,
> >
> > I hope that you all are doing well as finals approach, and that you
> > high school seniors especially aren't too stressed out over your
> > applications for schools.  I, for one, am excited about Christmas
> > coming up and hope you all are too.
> >
> > A disability awareness club at my college has just started up this
> > semester.  One of our community outreach events that will be an
> > on-going project is to host accessible movie nights a few times per
> > semester.  Tonight we're hosting one and will be watching The Grinch
> > with DVS.  I have a few questions for those of you who might use
> > described DVDs more than I do.
> >
> > 1.  Where can you get the DVDs?  I wasn't very impressed with the
> > service from my state's library for the blind and physically
> > handicapped.  Their catalog seems fairly out of date.  Apparently the
> > only two Christmas movies they have are something called "The
> > Christmas Miracle," and "Scrooge," which is a musical.  I ordered
> > these over a week ago in anticipation of the event and was told they
> > should be here in 3-5 business days.  Longer than that has passed and
> > those movies are not there.  Thankfully, I have a little video/record
> > store within a short walk of my house and was able to pick up the
> > Grinch for just a few bucks, because I knew it had DVS on the DVD as I
> > used to have a copy in my family.  I was shocked that they didn't have
> > the modern classics like Elf or the Polar Express, or even the
> > standard clay-mation videos I grew up watching with my parents.  I
> > suppose it worked out better because the Grinch is something college
> > kids would actually watch sooner than they would want to watch the two
> > movies the library had, but I'm looking for some more current titles.
> > Is it possible to buy them directly from WGBH where I know a lot of
> > the descriptive tracks are recorded?  Are there other venders that any
> > of you are aware of?
> >
> > 2.  Is it possible to have DVS and captioning playing on a DVD at the
> > same time?  The lady at the library didn't seem to know anything about
> > this, but as we're trying to be as accessible as we can we want to be
> > accommodating for anyone, and if I as a blind person want to watch a
> > movie with a deaf friend, that should also be a thing, right?  We've
> > talked about partnering with the sign language club and possibly have
> > them sign parts of the movie, but that could be a lot of work for them
> > even if members took shifts, and it wouldn't be as accommodating to
> > any deaf people watching as they'd have to watch the screen and the
> > signing person off to the side.
> >
> > 3.  Are there any general thoughts on this?  So far I think we have a
> > nice set up with a wheelchair accessible room big enough for a large
> > group of people, audio description, and hopefully captioning if we can
> > work it out.  I as treasurer sell snacks for a very minimal price and
> > admission is free.  This is just to help us make a little money off
> > the event while still showing people a good and inexpensive time.  I'm
> > interested to see if anyone outside our little group has suggestions
> > though, so anything at all would be received with gratitude.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > --
> > Kaiti Shelton
> > University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> > Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> > Division 2015-2016
> >
> > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> > nabs-l:
> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org
> >
>
>
> --
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 02:46:59 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Fri, 04 Dec 2015 18:46:59 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] trial for taptapsee
Message-ID: <5662502e.d24a620a.6ed94.fffff351@mx.google.com>

Hi, I want to try out tap tap see.  Is there a trial for this 
app?


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 02:52:44 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 21:52:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Job Opportunity in Cincinatti Area
Message-ID: <001201d12f08$2f4ca110$8de5e330$@gmail.com>

I have been asked to circulate the following job posting from the Cincinatti
Association for the Blind and Visually Impaired. Please contact Mr. Geiger
directly with any questions.

 

 

From: Chuck Geiger [mailto:chuck.geiger at cincyblind.org] 

Subject: CABVI Recruiter

 

Good morning Chris,

 

I recently began working as a Recruiter with Cincinnati Association for the
Blind & Visually Impaired.  I am focusing on the recruitment of
mission-related talent, individuals who are legally blind.  We are currently
recruiting for our Contract Closeout Specialist position located at our
Dayton (WPAFB) and Columbus offices.  I attached a job description for your
review and you can also view a short video regarding this position on our
website:  www.cincyblind.org  Please forward the job description to your
contacts.

 

I look forward to hearing back from you.

 

 

Happy Holidays!

 

Chuck Geiger
Recruiter
Tel:   513-487-4248
Fax:  513-221-2995

Cell:  513-708-5571
chuck.geiger at cincyblind.org

CABVI Logo
               www.cincyblind.org

Disclaimer: The information contained in this electronic mail message may be
confidential and protected information intended only for the use of the
individual or entity named above. As the recipient of this information you
may be prohibited by State and Federal law from disclosing this information
to any other party without specific written authorization from the
individual to whom it pertains. If you have received this communication in
error, please notify us immediately and destroy the message and its
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From filerime at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 03:13:18 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Fri, 4 Dec 2015 22:13:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] trial for taptapsee
In-Reply-To: <5662502e.d24a620a.6ed94.fffff351@mx.google.com>
References: <5662502e.d24a620a.6ed94.fffff351@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9d5KnAEDG47u3w3xvuqGr16X6gHo22Ynbcbg7RR03oR2w@mail.gmail.com>

As far as I know, no. But monthly subscription was available.
I use it and it is great.



2015-12-04 21:46 GMT-05:00, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hi, I want to try out tap tap see.  Is there a trial for this
> app?
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  5 20:22:47 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Sat, 5 Dec 2015 15:22:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Question for a student org
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY4jdLR2yURUsDnci3mZ-fCCu=HbEiDZmqzH2U9cKwXk0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaH2X846+oV2ggaouJKpyp7PL51SXv+ebZ3HR8mxwxAHA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAMuaAOKMaWYPqB8L1+O2Lf4WfcTB05SRLAsKLgG473VA6itMcg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CANvQTY4jdLR2yURUsDnci3mZ-fCCu=HbEiDZmqzH2U9cKwXk0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZq-L3Zq9=wgbySut7Yq5pWiS_dYEoaOpHu2E1+sLhA0Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

Thanks for your feedback.  We decided last night to not mess with the
library any more because their selection is so poor, and because their
customer service left a little to be desired (see prior post if you
want to know why).  We did get captions and DVS working on the Grinch
last night.

I'd love for Blind Mice Mart to be usable, but the problem there is
that a lot of their recordings are produced in the UK, which has a
higher frame rate than American movies do.  As a result, the track we
tried to play along with the movie for Forrest Gump was out of sync,
and there still was a good 20 minutes of the movie to be played after
the track was over.  We do need the movie to have a visual for our
non-disabled club members and those with hearing impairments, since
this isn't just an event for blind people.

We did talk about going to a little video store near campus that sells
records, videos, and games second-hand.  We don't have a lot of money
since we're still so new, but as long as we check the movies work
before showing them there is no reason why we can't save a little
money and get a few things gently used for a cheaper price.  That is
where I picked up the movie last night and it only cost me $5. We
talked about building a little library of DVS films, which we could
always donate to the Office of Learning Resources or the library at
school if the club ever decides to stop doing this or something.

On 12/4/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> It should be possible to get Descriptive Audio and Captioning at the same
> time. I'm not sure how.
> But in terms of getting Descriptive Audio, that is something that comes
> with all modern DVDS, those produced in the last four or five years. I
> believe what you do is go into the Language settings on the Main Minu that
> comes up on the screne when you start the DVD. Within the Language Settings
> you should be able to click on Descriptive Aueio.
> You may need a sighted person to do this part.
>
> Good luck! Congratulations on your noble effort!
>
> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 7:09 PM, Jonathan Franks via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hey Kaiti and all,
>> If you do not mind just having a MP3 file of the movie; I would try
>> Blind Mice Mart. I have noticed a lot of Christmas titles in their
>> catalog. Another plus is that you can download them for free.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> Jonathan Franks
>> Treasurer
>> Texas Association of Blind Students
>>
>> On 12/4/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> > Hi, fellow students,
>> >
>> > I hope that you all are doing well as finals approach, and that you
>> > high school seniors especially aren't too stressed out over your
>> > applications for schools.  I, for one, am excited about Christmas
>> > coming up and hope you all are too.
>> >
>> > A disability awareness club at my college has just started up this
>> > semester.  One of our community outreach events that will be an
>> > on-going project is to host accessible movie nights a few times per
>> > semester.  Tonight we're hosting one and will be watching The Grinch
>> > with DVS.  I have a few questions for those of you who might use
>> > described DVDs more than I do.
>> >
>> > 1.  Where can you get the DVDs?  I wasn't very impressed with the
>> > service from my state's library for the blind and physically
>> > handicapped.  Their catalog seems fairly out of date.  Apparently the
>> > only two Christmas movies they have are something called "The
>> > Christmas Miracle," and "Scrooge," which is a musical.  I ordered
>> > these over a week ago in anticipation of the event and was told they
>> > should be here in 3-5 business days.  Longer than that has passed and
>> > those movies are not there.  Thankfully, I have a little video/record
>> > store within a short walk of my house and was able to pick up the
>> > Grinch for just a few bucks, because I knew it had DVS on the DVD as I
>> > used to have a copy in my family.  I was shocked that they didn't have
>> > the modern classics like Elf or the Polar Express, or even the
>> > standard clay-mation videos I grew up watching with my parents.  I
>> > suppose it worked out better because the Grinch is something college
>> > kids would actually watch sooner than they would want to watch the two
>> > movies the library had, but I'm looking for some more current titles.
>> > Is it possible to buy them directly from WGBH where I know a lot of
>> > the descriptive tracks are recorded?  Are there other venders that any
>> > of you are aware of?
>> >
>> > 2.  Is it possible to have DVS and captioning playing on a DVD at the
>> > same time?  The lady at the library didn't seem to know anything about
>> > this, but as we're trying to be as accessible as we can we want to be
>> > accommodating for anyone, and if I as a blind person want to watch a
>> > movie with a deaf friend, that should also be a thing, right?  We've
>> > talked about partnering with the sign language club and possibly have
>> > them sign parts of the movie, but that could be a lot of work for them
>> > even if members took shifts, and it wouldn't be as accommodating to
>> > any deaf people watching as they'd have to watch the screen and the
>> > signing person off to the side.
>> >
>> > 3.  Are there any general thoughts on this?  So far I think we have a
>> > nice set up with a wheelchair accessible room big enough for a large
>> > group of people, audio description, and hopefully captioning if we can
>> > work it out.  I as treasurer sell snacks for a very minimal price and
>> > admission is free.  This is just to help us make a little money off
>> > the event while still showing people a good and inexpensive time.  I'm
>> > interested to see if anyone outside our little group has suggestions
>> > though, so anything at all would be received with gratitude.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > --
>> > Kaiti Shelton
>> > University of Dayton-Music Therapy
>> > President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
>> > Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
>> > Division 2015-2016
>> >
>> > "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
>> >
>> > _______________________________________________
>> > nabs-l mailing list
>> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> > nabs-l:
>> > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jfranks%40nfbtx.org
>> >
>>
>>
>> --
>> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
>> characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
>> expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
>> obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
>> you want; blindness is not what holds you back.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/kestomberg%40coe.edu
>>
> _______________________________________________
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>


-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From rbacchus228 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 00:51:53 2015
From: rbacchus228 at gmail.com (Roanna Bacchus)
Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2015 19:51:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] The Foundation of our  Federation
Message-ID: <5664d856.42ff0d0a.e1f35.fffff5d9@mx.google.com>

Hi Darian thanks for your message.  I think this article was very 
well-written.  It is important to bring new members into the 
federation.


From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 04:21:11 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:21:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
 Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS
Message-ID: <CALEYb2vk6Dhp3uDnXyjUGHeeD=Js3_Z9W=CjZzs8KicEmPpQ4Q@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I've been having a hard time figuring out how to get page numbering to
start after the first page, such as after a title page and an
abstract.  I read something online that talked about adding sections
and then inserting pagenation for each section, but once I added the
section/break and inserted page numbers, it also inserted page numbers
on the title page, and I don't want that.  When I delete that page
number, however, it gets rid of the rest of the numbering as well.
Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how to ensure that the text in the header on
the title page can be different from the text in the headers in the
rest of the document?  Here's what I found in my workbook for Learning
Word 2013 Using JAWS:

* A header or footer cannot be edited when focus is in the document.
In order to make changes to the header, you must return focus to the
header. Press ALT + N, then H, E.
* To customize this document so that the header on the first page
contains different text than the rest of the document, press ALT + J,
then H, A. Your cursor now appears in an empty header ready for the
new text for the first page.
* Press CTRL + HOME then use SayAll to confirm that the header is
empty. Be aware that the text of the previously typed header has been
saved and will be applied to the second and all additional pages.

The problem is that when I press Alt-J, H, then A, nothing happens and
I stay stuck within the Design tab.  Any thoughts suggestions?

Thanks for any help! Oh, and I am using Word 2013 and JAWS 16.

Sarah

-- 
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
Ball State University
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 04:27:35 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:27:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
	Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2vk6Dhp3uDnXyjUGHeeD=Js3_Z9W=CjZzs8KicEmPpQ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALEYb2vk6Dhp3uDnXyjUGHeeD=Js3_Z9W=CjZzs8KicEmPpQ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <033201d130a7$99c65a40$cd530ec0$@gmail.com>

Areyou trying to do heders; do you just want the numbers to appear in the
header?  Do you also want the first page to be different?
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Sarah Meyer via
nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 11:21 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sarah Meyer <sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS

Hi,
I've been having a hard time figuring out how to get page numbering to start
after the first page, such as after a title page and an abstract.  I read
something online that talked about adding sections and then inserting
pagenation for each section, but once I added the section/break and inserted
page numbers, it also inserted page numbers on the title page, and I don't
want that.  When I delete that page number, however, it gets rid of the rest
of the numbering as well.
Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how to ensure that the text in the header on the
title page can be different from the text in the headers in the rest of the
document?  Here's what I found in my workbook for Learning Word 2013 Using
JAWS:

* A header or footer cannot be edited when focus is in the document.
In order to make changes to the header, you must return focus to the header.
Press ALT + N, then H, E.
* To customize this document so that the header on the first page contains
different text than the rest of the document, press ALT + J, then H, A. Your
cursor now appears in an empty header ready for the new text for the first
page.
* Press CTRL + HOME then use SayAll to confirm that the header is empty. Be
aware that the text of the previously typed header has been saved and will
be applied to the second and all additional pages.

The problem is that when I press Alt-J, H, then A, nothing happens and I
stay stuck within the Design tab.  Any thoughts suggestions?

Thanks for any help! Oh, and I am using Word 2013 and JAWS 16.

Sarah

--
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball
State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human
Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana
State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you
want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and
determination, we transform dreams into reality.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 04:49:36 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:49:36 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
	Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS
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Sarah, You have to use alt, then just tab to what you want; alt j h a does
not work.

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Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS

Hi,
I've been having a hard time figuring out how to get page numbering to start
after the first page, such as after a title page and an abstract.  I read
something online that talked about adding sections and then inserting
pagenation for each section, but once I added the section/break and inserted
page numbers, it also inserted page numbers on the title page, and I don't
want that.  When I delete that page number, however, it gets rid of the rest
of the numbering as well.
Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how to ensure that the text in the header on the
title page can be different from the text in the headers in the rest of the
document?  Here's what I found in my workbook for Learning Word 2013 Using
JAWS:

* A header or footer cannot be edited when focus is in the document.
In order to make changes to the header, you must return focus to the header.
Press ALT + N, then H, E.
* To customize this document so that the header on the first page contains
different text than the rest of the document, press ALT + J, then H, A. Your
cursor now appears in an empty header ready for the new text for the first
page.
* Press CTRL + HOME then use SayAll to confirm that the header is empty. Be
aware that the text of the previously typed header has been saved and will
be applied to the second and all additional pages.

The problem is that when I press Alt-J, H, then A, nothing happens and I
stay stuck within the Design tab.  Any thoughts suggestions?

Thanks for any help! Oh, and I am using Word 2013 and JAWS 16.

Sarah

--
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball
State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human
Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana
State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you
want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and
determination, we transform dreams into reality.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 04:50:10 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:50:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
	Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2vk6Dhp3uDnXyjUGHeeD=Js3_Z9W=CjZzs8KicEmPpQ4Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <034201d130aa$c0f6d330$42e47990$@gmail.com>

Do you just want help with the heders; you can get it to put the page
numbers in the header of each page for you.

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To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sarah Meyer <sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS

Hi,
I've been having a hard time figuring out how to get page numbering to start
after the first page, such as after a title page and an abstract.  I read
something online that talked about adding sections and then inserting
pagenation for each section, but once I added the section/break and inserted
page numbers, it also inserted page numbers on the title page, and I don't
want that.  When I delete that page number, however, it gets rid of the rest
of the numbering as well.
Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how to ensure that the text in the header on the
title page can be different from the text in the headers in the rest of the
document?  Here's what I found in my workbook for Learning Word 2013 Using
JAWS:

* A header or footer cannot be edited when focus is in the document.
In order to make changes to the header, you must return focus to the header.
Press ALT + N, then H, E.
* To customize this document so that the header on the first page contains
different text than the rest of the document, press ALT + J, then H, A. Your
cursor now appears in an empty header ready for the new text for the first
page.
* Press CTRL + HOME then use SayAll to confirm that the header is empty. Be
aware that the text of the previously typed header has been saved and will
be applied to the second and all additional pages.

The problem is that when I press Alt-J, H, then A, nothing happens and I
stay stuck within the Design tab.  Any thoughts suggestions?

Thanks for any help! Oh, and I am using Word 2013 and JAWS 16.

Sarah

--
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball
State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human
Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana
State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you
want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and
determination, we transform dreams into reality.

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec  7 04:59:31 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2015 23:59:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
	Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS
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Okay.
 Hit Alt n, h then hit enter.
 Type your Title you want. 
Then, hit the alt key, then tab until you hear page number. Hit enter.
Then, you will be in a list which gives you options for top of page, bottom
of page and so on if you use your arrow keys.  I always use top of page
which is the first one.  So, as soon as I hit enter on page numbers, I hit
enter again on top of page, then enter for the plain number one right after
that.  To make your first page different, hit alt right after that, then tab
until you hear options. Hit enter.  It will give you an option saying
different ffirst page not checked.  Hit space bar to check it.  Then type
what you want as your title in the header, or whatever you want that is
different on your first page.
If you want to do anything else, hit alt, then tab through until you find
what you want.  When you get finished, hit escape.

I hope this helps.
Justin
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Sent: Sunday, December 06, 2015 11:21 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sarah Meyer <sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Starting Page Numbering after Title Page and Enabling
Different Headers within a Word Document Using JAWS

Hi,
I've been having a hard time figuring out how to get page numbering to start
after the first page, such as after a title page and an abstract.  I read
something online that talked about adding sections and then inserting
pagenation for each section, but once I added the section/break and inserted
page numbers, it also inserted page numbers on the title page, and I don't
want that.  When I delete that page number, however, it gets rid of the rest
of the numbering as well.
Any suggestions?

Also, does anyone know how to ensure that the text in the header on the
title page can be different from the text in the headers in the rest of the
document?  Here's what I found in my workbook for Learning Word 2013 Using
JAWS:

* A header or footer cannot be edited when focus is in the document.
In order to make changes to the header, you must return focus to the header.
Press ALT + N, then H, E.
* To customize this document so that the header on the first page contains
different text than the rest of the document, press ALT + J, then H, A. Your
cursor now appears in an empty header ready for the new text for the first
page.
* Press CTRL + HOME then use SayAll to confirm that the header is empty. Be
aware that the text of the previously typed header has been saved and will
be applied to the second and all additional pages.

The problem is that when I press Alt-J, H, then A, nothing happens and I
stay stuck within the Design tab.  Any thoughts suggestions?

Thanks for any help! Oh, and I am using Word 2013 and JAWS 16.

Sarah

--
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology Ball
State University Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human
Services Division Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana
State Affiliate sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life you
want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love, hope, and
determination, we transform dreams into reality.

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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 00:11:44 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:11:44 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
Message-ID: <94AFCFEB-FF55-4E34-BAB5-18FF8960070F@gmail.com>

I have two questions.
First,
I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.  

Secondly,
I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects online without a whole huge extra effort?
Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.

Thanks!

Anna E Givens



From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 00:22:32 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:22:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
In-Reply-To: <94AFCFEB-FF55-4E34-BAB5-18FF8960070F@gmail.com>
References: <94AFCFEB-FF55-4E34-BAB5-18FF8960070F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566622C8.6030207@gmail.com>

I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows the 
subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really get 
much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also 
important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are 
good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a 
hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for 
someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people online 
who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact 
with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home town 
who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i 
thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that 
math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I 
hope that you find something to help, whether its online or in person, 
these subjects can be brutal.
Hope this helps:
Jessica.

On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
> I have two questions.
> First,
> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>
> Secondly,
> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects online without a whole huge extra effort?
> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>
> Thanks!
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 00:38:07 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 17:38:07 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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	<566622C8.6030207@gmail.com>
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I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to be tutored. 

Anna

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows the subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really get much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people online who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home town who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I hope that you find something to help, whether its online or in person, these subjects can be brutal.
> Hope this helps:
> Jessica.
> 
>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>> I have two questions.
>> First,
>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>> 
>> Secondly,
>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects online without a whole huge extra effort?
>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
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From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 00:49:16 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 16:49:16 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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References: <94AFCFEB-FF55-4E34-BAB5-18FF8960070F@gmail.com>
	<566622C8.6030207@gmail.com>
	<E2B2EF8B-6813-4B29-8C53-9AF5E94BEE03@gmail.com>
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Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a place. I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to be tutored. 
> 
> Anna
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows the subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really get much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people online who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home town who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I hope that you find something to help, whether its online or in person, these subjects can be brutal.
>> Hope this helps:
>> Jessica.
>> 
>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>>> I have two questions.
>>> First,
>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>>> 
>>> Secondly,
>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects online without a whole huge extra effort?
>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>>> 
>>> Thanks!
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for nabs-l:
>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40gmail.com
>> 
>> 
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 03:09:50 2015
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:09:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.

On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a place.
> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to be
>> tutored.
>>
>> Anna
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows the
>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really get
>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are
>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a
>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for
>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people online
>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact
>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home town
>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i
>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that
>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I hope
>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person, these
>>> subjects can be brutal.
>>> Hope this helps:
>>> Jessica.
>>>
>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>>>> I have two questions.
>>>> First,
>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It
>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing
>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if
>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the
>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>>>>
>>>> Secondly,
>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know
>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't
>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my
>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects
>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>
>>>>
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec  8 03:16:25 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:16:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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References: <94AFCFEB-FF55-4E34-BAB5-18FF8960070F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS182BF637A910B0B74262A61BA080@phx.gbl>

Hello Anna,

As for your tutoring question, have you looked into whether or not you could
tutor students in person at your local university or community college? I
know some colleges and universities offer tutoring services on campus
through student employment. 

Additionally, you could advertise your desire for tutoring students through
the various math and science departments on campus. If you were to tutor
somewhere on campus, this would most likely resolve your inability to use
online tutoring platforms. 

Although, if you want to go the online route, could you advertise your own
tutoring services and tutor people through skype or something? I am honestly
not sure if any of these ideas help you, but I thought I would throw them
out there for consideration.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 7:12 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook

I have two questions.
First,
I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It seems
to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing messages
that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if there is
something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the cursor to go
to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.  

Secondly,
I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and science.
I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know how to do it
with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online platforms but they use
things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't know how to use at all, much
less with a screen reader.  So I guess my question is:  Is it possible for a
blind person to tutor STEM subjects online without a whole huge extra
effort?
Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.

Thanks!

Anna E Givens


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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 03:46:01 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:46:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a whole message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message and need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I want the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
> VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
> point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
> focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
> able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
> insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
> is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
> in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
> 
>> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a place.
>> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to be
>>> tutored.
>>> 
>>> Anna
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows the
>>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really get
>>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
>>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are
>>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a
>>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for
>>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people online
>>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact
>>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home town
>>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i
>>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that
>>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I hope
>>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person, these
>>>> subjects can be brutal.
>>>> Hope this helps:
>>>> Jessica.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>> I have two questions.
>>>>> First,
>>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It
>>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is editing
>>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if
>>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get the
>>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Secondly,
>>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
>>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't know
>>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
>>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I don't
>>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess my
>>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM subjects
>>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
>>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> 
>>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Dec  8 04:12:08 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 22:12:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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Anna,

One option would be to try Cardinal Scholars. They offer really great pay
for tutoring! I haven't found it to be super accessible, but maybe you'll
have more luck.

You can also try to tutor on campus in person. I tutor students who are in
an introductory biology class, and have found it extremely rewarding!

Hope you find something that works!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a whole
> message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message and
> need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
> I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I want
> the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
> > VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
> > point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
> > focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
> > able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
> > insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
> > is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
> > in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
> >
> >> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a
> place.
> >> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
> >> Sent from my iPhone
> >>
> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to
> be
> >>> tutored.
> >>>
> >>> Anna
> >>>
> >>> Anna E Givens
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows
> the
> >>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really
> get
> >>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
> >>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you are
> >>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have a
> >>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for
> >>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people
> online
> >>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had contact
> >>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home
> town
> >>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress i
> >>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that
> >>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I
> hope
> >>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person,
> these
> >>>> subjects can be brutal.
> >>>> Hope this helps:
> >>>> Jessica.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>> I have two questions.
> >>>>> First,
> >>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.  It
> >>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is
> editing
> >>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but if
> >>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to get
> the
> >>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Secondly,
> >>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
> >>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't
> know
> >>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
> >>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I
> don't
> >>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess
> my
> >>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM
> subjects
> >>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
> >>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Anna E Givens
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
> >>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> >>>>> nabs-l:
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 04:20:13 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 20:20:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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Another option might be to tutor other blind students.
Arielle

On 12/7/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Anna,
>
> One option would be to try Cardinal Scholars. They offer really great pay
> for tutoring! I haven't found it to be super accessible, but maybe you'll
> have more luck.
>
> You can also try to tutor on campus in person. I tutor students who are in
> an introductory biology class, and have found it extremely rewarding!
>
> Hope you find something that works!
> Kennedy Stomberg
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a whole
>> message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message and
>> need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
>> I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I want
>> the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l
>> > <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
>> > VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
>> > point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
>> > focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
>> > able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
>> > insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
>> > is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
>> > in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
>> >
>> >> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a
>> place.
>> >> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
>> >> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>
>> >>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to
>> be
>> >>> tutored.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anna
>> >>>
>> >>> Anna E Givens
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows
>> the
>> >>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really
>> get
>> >>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
>> >>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have
>> >>>> a
>> >>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for
>> >>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people
>> online
>> >>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had
>> >>>> contact
>> >>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home
>> town
>> >>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress
>> >>>> i
>> >>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that
>> >>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I
>> hope
>> >>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person,
>> these
>> >>>> subjects can be brutal.
>> >>>> Hope this helps:
>> >>>> Jessica.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>>> I have two questions.
>> >>>>> First,
>> >>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.
>> >>>>> It
>> >>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is
>> editing
>> >>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but
>> >>>>> if
>> >>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to
>> >>>>> get
>> the
>> >>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Secondly,
>> >>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
>> >>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't
>> know
>> >>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
>> >>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I
>> don't
>> >>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess
>> my
>> >>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM
>> subjects
>> >>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
>> >>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Anna E Givens
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> _______________________________________________
>> >>>>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> >>>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 04:24:10 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:24:10 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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Arielle,
Do you mean online or in person?

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Another option might be to tutor other blind students.
> Arielle
> 
>> On 12/7/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Anna,
>> 
>> One option would be to try Cardinal Scholars. They offer really great pay
>> for tutoring! I haven't found it to be super accessible, but maybe you'll
>> have more luck.
>> 
>> You can also try to tutor on campus in person. I tutor students who are in
>> an introductory biology class, and have found it extremely rewarding!
>> 
>> Hope you find something that works!
>> Kennedy Stomberg
>> 
>>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a whole
>>> message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message and
>>> need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
>>> I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I want
>>> the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.
>>> 
>>> Anna E Givens
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
>>>> VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
>>>> point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
>>>> focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
>>>> able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
>>>> insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
>>>> is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
>>>> in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
>>>> 
>>>>> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a
>>> place.
>>>>> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not to
>>> be
>>>>>> tutored.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anna
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who knows
>>> the
>>>>>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really
>>> get
>>>>>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
>>>>>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you have
>>>>>>> a
>>>>>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look for
>>>>>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people
>>> online
>>>>>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had
>>>>>>> contact
>>>>>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home
>>> town
>>>>>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome progress
>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is that
>>>>>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things. I
>>> hope
>>>>>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person,
>>> these
>>>>>>> subjects can be brutal.
>>>>>>> Hope this helps:
>>>>>>> Jessica.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have two questions.
>>>>>>>> First,
>>>>>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is
>>> editing
>>>>>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but
>>>>>>>> if
>>>>>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to
>>>>>>>> get
>>> the
>>>>>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Secondly,
>>>>>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
>>>>>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't
>>> know
>>>>>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
>>>>>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I
>>> don't
>>>>>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I guess
>>> my
>>>>>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM
>>> subjects
>>>>>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
>>>>>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Anna E Givens
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>>>>>> for
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>>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/options/nabs-l_nfbnet.org/jlhodges4%40gmail.com
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Dec  8 05:10:23 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 23:10:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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People are actually quite receptive. The fact is, people want tutors,
especially in STEM fields! As long as you know what you're doing, anyone
you tutor will take you seriously.

If someone asks a visual question like, How do I draw this Punitt Square?"
or "What should this molicule look like?" You do your best, and if all else
fails, know enough about other resources on campus to refer them to another
source of information.

I am happy to answer any other questions you may have!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Arielle,
> Do you mean online or in person?
>
> Anna E Givens
>
>
> > On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Another option might be to tutor other blind students.
> > Arielle
> >
> >> On 12/7/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Anna,
> >>
> >> One option would be to try Cardinal Scholars. They offer really great
> pay
> >> for tutoring! I haven't found it to be super accessible, but maybe
> you'll
> >> have more luck.
> >>
> >> You can also try to tutor on campus in person. I tutor students who are
> in
> >> an introductory biology class, and have found it extremely rewarding!
> >>
> >> Hope you find something that works!
> >> Kennedy Stomberg
> >>
> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a
> whole
> >>> message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message
> and
> >>> need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
> >>> I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I
> want
> >>> the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.
> >>>
> >>> Anna E Givens
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l
> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
> >>>> VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
> >>>> point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
> >>>> focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should be
> >>>> able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
> >>>> insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top. It
> >>>> is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread are
> >>>> in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find a
> >>> place.
> >>>>> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not
> to
> >>> be
> >>>>>> tutored.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anna
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Anna E Givens
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> >>>>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who
> knows
> >>> the
> >>>>>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll really
> >>> get
> >>>>>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is also
> >>>>>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you
> >>>>>>> are
> >>>>>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you
> have
> >>>>>>> a
> >>>>>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look
> for
> >>>>>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people
> >>> online
> >>>>>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had
> >>>>>>> contact
> >>>>>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my home
> >>> town
> >>>>>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome
> progress
> >>>>>>> i
> >>>>>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is
> that
> >>>>>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial things.
> I
> >>> hope
> >>>>>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person,
> >>> these
> >>>>>>> subjects can be brutal.
> >>>>>>> Hope this helps:
> >>>>>>> Jessica.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
> >>>>>>>> I have two questions.
> >>>>>>>> First,
> >>>>>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice Over.
> >>>>>>>> It
> >>>>>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is
> >>> editing
> >>>>>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed but
> >>>>>>>> if
> >>>>>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to
> >>>>>>>> get
> >>> the
> >>>>>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Secondly,
> >>>>>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math and
> >>>>>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I don't
> >>> know
> >>>>>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
> >>>>>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I
> >>> don't
> >>>>>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I
> guess
> >>> my
> >>>>>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM
> >>> subjects
> >>>>>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
> >>>>>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Anna E Givens
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Tue Dec  8 05:48:49 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2015 21:48:49 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Tutoring and outlook
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If you wanted to tutor other blind students, you could potentially do
it either in person if there are blind students in your area, or by
phone and email.
Arielle

On 12/7/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> People are actually quite receptive. The fact is, people want tutors,
> especially in STEM fields! As long as you know what you're doing, anyone
> you tutor will take you seriously.
>
> If someone asks a visual question like, How do I draw this Punitt Square?"
> or "What should this molicule look like?" You do your best, and if all else
> fails, know enough about other resources on campus to refer them to another
> source of information.
>
> I am happy to answer any other questions you may have!
> Kennedy Stomberg
>
> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 10:24 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Arielle,
>> Do you mean online or in person?
>>
>> Anna E Givens
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 7, 2015, at 9:20 PM, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > Another option might be to tutor other blind students.
>> > Arielle
>> >
>> >> On 12/7/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Anna,
>> >>
>> >> One option would be to try Cardinal Scholars. They offer really great
>> pay
>> >> for tutoring! I haven't found it to be super accessible, but maybe
>> you'll
>> >> have more luck.
>> >>
>> >> You can also try to tutor on campus in person. I tutor students who
>> >> are
>> in
>> >> an introductory biology class, and have found it extremely rewarding!
>> >>
>> >> Hope you find something that works!
>> >> Kennedy Stomberg
>> >>
>> >>> On Mon, Dec 7, 2015 at 9:46 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Thanks Jason, I am able to get that far.  It's when I have typed a
>> whole
>> >>> message and discover an error somewhere in the middle of the message
>> and
>> >>> need to go to that spot with the cursor that I am having problems.
>> >>> I use the line or word or character thing but that doesn't work if I
>> want
>> >>> the cursor to stay wherever I'm trying to put it and type.
>> >>>
>> >>> Anna E Givens
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 8:09 PM, Jason Polansky via nabs-l
>> >>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For outlook, if you double-tap on the message body text field,
>> >>>> VoiceOver should either say "insertion point at start" or "insertion
>> >>>> point at end." This is a toggle setting, meaning that if you are
>> >>>> focused on the text field and don't type anything, then you should
>> >>>> be
>> >>>> able to switch your insertion point from start to end. You want your
>> >>>> insertion point to be at the start, so your message is at the top.
>> >>>> It
>> >>>> is a little weird that all of the previous messages in that thread
>> >>>> are
>> >>>> in that text field, but that's just how it is. Hope this helps.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>> On 12/7/15, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Oh, IC. I'm sorry, I really have no answers for you. Hope you find
>> >>>>> a
>> >>> place.
>> >>>>> I know that there absolutely is a need for tutoring of this kind.
>> >>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 4:38 PM, Anna via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> I'm sorry.  I suppose I should specify.  I want to be a tutor. Not
>> to
>> >>> be
>> >>>>>> tutored.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anna
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Anna E Givens
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Dec 7, 2015, at 5:22 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
>> >>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I think the best thing you could do is find someone online who
>> knows
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>> subject well, and try to learn from them. don't think you'll
>> >>>>>>> really
>> >>> get
>> >>>>>>> much help from most mainstream tutoring cites. However, it is
>> >>>>>>> also
>> >>>>>>> important to weigh how well you can grasp abstract things. If you
>> >>>>>>> are
>> >>>>>>> good at visualizing things, online may work for you, but if you
>> have
>> >>>>>>> a
>> >>>>>>> hard time grasping visual/spacial concepts, you may want to look
>> for
>> >>>>>>> someone in your actual location. Though I have found a few people
>> >>> online
>> >>>>>>> who have described things to me much better than anyone i had
>> >>>>>>> contact
>> >>>>>>> with where i lived at the time, when I did find someone in my
>> >>>>>>> home
>> >>> town
>> >>>>>>> who was able to sit down and explain it trumped the awesome
>> progress
>> >>>>>>> i
>> >>>>>>> thought i was making online. The only reason I bring this up is
>> that
>> >>>>>>> math/science/stem stuff is chock full of abstract, spacial
>> >>>>>>> things.
>> I
>> >>> hope
>> >>>>>>> that you find something to help, whether its online or in person,
>> >>> these
>> >>>>>>> subjects can be brutal.
>> >>>>>>> Hope this helps:
>> >>>>>>> Jessica.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On 12/7/2015 4:11 PM, Anna via nabs-l wrote:
>> >>>>>>>> I have two questions.
>> >>>>>>>> First,
>> >>>>>>>> I am wondering about using outlook on an I-phone with Voice
>> >>>>>>>> Over.
>> >>>>>>>> It
>> >>>>>>>> seems to work pretty well with VO but the problem I'm having is
>> >>> editing
>> >>>>>>>> messages that I'm typing.  It will read the text that I typed
>> >>>>>>>> but
>> >>>>>>>> if
>> >>>>>>>> there is something I need to correct, I cannot figure out how to
>> >>>>>>>> get
>> >>> the
>> >>>>>>>> cursor to go to and stay in a chosen place to make corrections.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Secondly,
>> >>>>>>>> I am curious about online tutoring, specifically tutoring math
>> >>>>>>>> and
>> >>>>>>>> science.  I have been wanting to do this for a while, but I
>> >>>>>>>> don't
>> >>> know
>> >>>>>>>> how to do it with JAWS.  I have checked into a couple of online
>> >>>>>>>> platforms but they use things  like whiteboards and stuff that I
>> >>> don't
>> >>>>>>>> know how to use at all, much less with a screen reader.  So I
>> guess
>> >>> my
>> >>>>>>>> question is:  Is it possible for a blind person to tutor STEM
>> >>> subjects
>> >>>>>>>> online without a whole huge extra effort?
>> >>>>>>>> Wondering if anyone has any experience or thoughts on that.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Thanks!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Anna E Givens
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Tue Dec  8 21:50:00 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 21:50:00 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] AAPD internship question
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012696F2@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Hello Nabsters,
	I was wondering, have any of you attended the AAPD internship program in Washington D.C.? The reason that I am asking, is because I am contemplating applying. However, I want to go to national convention, and I am unsure if I would have the opportunity to do so, if I apply and am selected. So, my question, I suppose, is:
Has anyone attended, and knows if someone can take the week off to go to national convention?
Best,
Michael Ausbun

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From jordystringer83 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 03:55:34 2015
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Date: Tue, 8 Dec 2015 22:55:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] AAPD internship question
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Salutations Michael, I hope this response finds you well. 
It is not customary to be given time away from an internship. Typically they
are anywhere from 8 to 12 weeks long, and are intended to be very focused.
Perhaps, you may be able to justify participation in the convention as part
of the internship, but depending upon what facility you are placed in that
may or may not be a possibility. 

HTH
Jordy 
The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create obstacles
between blind people and our dreams. You can live the life you want;
blindness is not what holds you bac.

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	I was wondering, have any of you attended the AAPD internship
program in Washington D.C.? The reason that I am asking, is because I am
contemplating applying. However, I want to go to national convention, and I
am unsure if I would have the opportunity to do so, if I apply and am
selected. So, my question, I suppose, is:
Has anyone attended, and knows if someone can take the week off to go to
national convention?
Best,
Michael Ausbun

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From chapman.candicel at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 06:37:38 2015
From: chapman.candicel at gmail.com (Candice Chapman)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 00:37:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] December Membership Call
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Greetings NABS!

As the semester speeds towards a close, the Membership Committee would
love to break up some of your studying monotony with a NABS Membership
Call! We hope that you will join us this month as we host a call
talking about accessible math. For this call, we are pleased to have
the President of the Science and Engineering Division of the National
Federation of the Blind, Dr. John Miller as one of our guest speakers.
Our second guest speaker will be Mr. Eric Guillory from the Louisiana
Center for the Blind.

December's membership call will take place this Sunday, 12/13/15 at 7
p.m. eastern (6 central, 5 mountain, 4 pacific). Please use the
following call in information to join us:

phone: 605-475-6700
code: 7869673

We look forward to seeing you on Sunday!

Best,

Candice


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 14:17:11 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 09:17:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apparent Accessibility Bug in Facebook iOS App
Message-ID: <C7240BAF-DE8A-4501-975E-087035CDEF37@gmail.com>

Hello All:

Is anyone else having trouble setting dates and times for events in the Facebook app for iOS? When I attempt to create an event through the app, there is nothing which allows me to set a date and time as there was in the past. There are only text fields for the event title, location and description. There appear to be a few unlabelled buttons after the title field, but neither of these seem to do anything. Does anyone know of a workaround for this in the iOS app? If there is none, is event creation on the Facebook mobile Web site still accessible? Thanks in advance for any help. 

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 15:21:02 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 10:21:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Apparent Accessibility Bug in Facebook iOS App
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Hi, Chris,

I was having trouble setting up events on the IOS app, too.  In
addition to issues setting the date and time I had issues setting the
event as public.  Facebook would tell me it was a private event and I
wouldn't be able to change it to public after the event was created,
but I didn't see an audience button anywhere.  I was able to
successfully create the event with the date and time using the mobile
site, then use the IOS app to add in the finishing touches like the
description and a cover photo.  I have reported this issue to
facebook, but have ot heard anything back from them on it.

Hope this helps.

On 12/9/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All:
>
> Is anyone else having trouble setting dates and times for events in the
> Facebook app for iOS? When I attempt to create an event through the app,
> there is nothing which allows me to set a date and time as there was in the
> past. There are only text fields for the event title, location and
> description. There appear to be a few unlabelled buttons after the title
> field, but neither of these seem to do anything. Does anyone know of a
> workaround for this in the iOS app? If there is none, is event creation on
> the Facebook mobile Web site still accessible? Thanks in advance for any
> help.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Wed Dec  9 17:35:59 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 10:35:59 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Apparent Accessibility Bug in Facebook iOS App
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7Fb4LH=6rV0tyhmwEGC5b9TTgZGLod_ubygzN+7dUyB9fw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <C7240BAF-DE8A-4501-975E-087035CDEF37@gmail.com>
	<CAFja7Fb4LH=6rV0tyhmwEGC5b9TTgZGLod_ubygzN+7dUyB9fw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7F4CE8BF-BAC1-405D-9088-6D9F4440CCDC@gmail.com>

Yes it seems that there are actually quite a few things in the IOS facebook app that are inaccessible with VO.  For events the option to change from private to public is at the very top between "cancel" and "create" but voiceover totally skips over it.  There is no way to get to it.  And you cannot click on the date to set it, although this works fine without voiceover. 
Does reporting it to facebook help?

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 9, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, Chris,
> 
> I was having trouble setting up events on the IOS app, too.  In
> addition to issues setting the date and time I had issues setting the
> event as public.  Facebook would tell me it was a private event and I
> wouldn't be able to change it to public after the event was created,
> but I didn't see an audience button anywhere.  I was able to
> successfully create the event with the date and time using the mobile
> site, then use the IOS app to add in the finishing touches like the
> description and a cover photo.  I have reported this issue to
> facebook, but have ot heard anything back from them on it.
> 
> Hope this helps.
> 
>> On 12/9/15, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello All:
>> 
>> Is anyone else having trouble setting dates and times for events in the
>> Facebook app for iOS? When I attempt to create an event through the app,
>> there is nothing which allows me to set a date and time as there was in the
>> past. There are only text fields for the event title, location and
>> description. There appear to be a few unlabelled buttons after the title
>> field, but neither of these seem to do anything. Does anyone know of a
>> workaround for this in the iOS app? If there is none, is event creation on
>> the Facebook mobile Web site still accessible? Thanks in advance for any
>> help.
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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> 
> 
> -- 
> Kaiti Shelton
> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
> "You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"
> 
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 18:58:40 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 13:58:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
Message-ID: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everyone,

How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
participate in the sharing economy?

A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do
gigs rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through
AirBnB or list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was
a pioneer in sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.

So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as
a seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for
the blind community?

Best,
Phil


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 19:21:47 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:21:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>

Bying and selling web domains is something I've heard of.  Betting on
Fantasy sports. Writing, consultation about things you are expert on; ifyou
aren't an expert on soemthing, get to be one.  
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy

Hi everyone,

How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
participate in the sharing economy?

A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do gigs
rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB or
list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.

So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
blind community?

Best,
Phil

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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 19:27:05 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:27:05 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMcYkTsvt1e1YpDOVKBiSkqy+JJcPfrS3__2UvxhaYP0HQ@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, so many blind people are good writers. EditAvenue now called
ServiceScape connects people who need their essays and documents
edited and people who want to edit and get paid on a per page basis.


On 12/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Bying and selling web domains is something I've heard of.  Betting on
> Fantasy sports. Writing, consultation about things you are expert on; ifyou
> aren't an expert on soemthing, get to be one.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
> participate in the sharing economy?
>
> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do gigs
> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB or
> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>
> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
> blind community?
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 19:39:35 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:39:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMcYkTsvt1e1YpDOVKBiSkqy+JJcPfrS3__2UvxhaYP0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>
	<CAO2euMcYkTsvt1e1YpDOVKBiSkqy+JJcPfrS3__2UvxhaYP0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <192985C4-6A60-44FC-BB33-CAA722FD4058@gmail.com>

For writers, you can try text broker.com, which is a ghostwriting site. Also, there is great content.co.uk 
There are also many articles that talk about blogs that paid for articles for their blog. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Yes, so many blind people are good writers. EditAvenue now called
> ServiceScape connects people who need their essays and documents
> edited and people who want to edit and get paid on a per page basis.
> 
> 
>> On 12/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Bying and selling web domains is something I've heard of.  Betting on
>> Fantasy sports. Writing, consultation about things you are expert on; ifyou
>> aren't an expert on soemthing, get to be one.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>> 
>> Hi everyone,
>> 
>> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
>> participate in the sharing economy?
>> 
>> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do gigs
>> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
>> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB or
>> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
>> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>> 
>> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
>> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
>> blind community?
>> 
>> Best,
>> Phil
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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>> .com
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 19:47:03 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 14:47:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
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References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>
	<CAO2euMcYkTsvt1e1YpDOVKBiSkqy+JJcPfrS3__2UvxhaYP0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<192985C4-6A60-44FC-BB33-CAA722FD4058@gmail.com>
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Jewel, do you use these sites yourself?
Phil

On 12/10/15, Jewel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> For writers, you can try text broker.com, which is a ghostwriting site.
> Also, there is great content.co.uk
> There are also many articles that talk about blogs that paid for articles
> for their blog.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, so many blind people are good writers. EditAvenue now called
>> ServiceScape connects people who need their essays and documents
>> edited and people who want to edit and get paid on a per page basis.
>>
>>
>>> On 12/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> Bying and selling web domains is something I've heard of.  Betting on
>>> Fantasy sports. Writing, consultation about things you are expert on;
>>> ifyou
>>> aren't an expert on soemthing, get to be one.
>>> Justin
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
>>> nabs-l
>>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
>>> participate in the sharing economy?
>>>
>>> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do
>>> gigs
>>> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
>>> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB
>>> or
>>> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer
>>> in
>>> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>>>
>>> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
>>> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
>>> blind community?
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Phil
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> nabs-l mailing list
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From herekittykat97 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 20:20:54 2015
From: herekittykat97 at gmail.com (Jewel)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 15:20:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMeenkzym2-jDA91F=hjSTnAdmWj_UTw-pFTj7w8_WxpGQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<02af01d13380$03b81080$0b283180$@gmail.com>
	<CAO2euMcYkTsvt1e1YpDOVKBiSkqy+JJcPfrS3__2UvxhaYP0HQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<192985C4-6A60-44FC-BB33-CAA722FD4058@gmail.com>
	<CAO2euMeenkzym2-jDA91F=hjSTnAdmWj_UTw-pFTj7w8_WxpGQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:47 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Jewel, do you use these sites yourself?
> Phil
> 
>> On 12/10/15, Jewel via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> For writers, you can try text broker.com, which is a ghostwriting site.
>> Also, there is great content.co.uk
>> There are also many articles that talk about blogs that paid for articles
>> for their blog.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 10, 2015, at 2:27 PM, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Yes, so many blind people are good writers. EditAvenue now called
>>> ServiceScape connects people who need their essays and documents
>>> edited and people who want to edit and get paid on a per page basis.
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 12/10/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>>> Bying and selling web domains is something I've heard of.  Betting on
>>>> Fantasy sports. Writing, consultation about things you are expert on;
>>>> ifyou
>>>> aren't an expert on soemthing, get to be one.
>>>> Justin
>>>> 
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
>>>> nabs-l
>>>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
>>>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>>>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>>>> Cc: Phil <philso1003 at gmail.com>
>>>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>>>> 
>>>> Hi everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
>>>> participate in the sharing economy?
>>>> 
>>>> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do
>>>> gigs
>>>> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
>>>> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB
>>>> or
>>>> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer
>>>> in
>>>> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>>>> 
>>>> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
>>>> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
>>>> blind community?
>>>> 
>>>> Best,
>>>> Phil
>>>> 
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> nabs-l mailing list
>>>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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>>>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>>> .com
>>>> 
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From jsoro620 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 10 23:29:21 2015
From: jsoro620 at gmail.com (Joe)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 18:29:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Phil,

I don't know that it's a blindness specific thing. Blind people have a
myriad of talents that could translate to entrepreneurial ventures. Are you
asking because you're interested in doing something yourself, or are you
asking as a broader question of blindness ability?

Joe

--
Musings of a Work in Progress:
www.JoeOrozco.com/

Twitter: @ScribblingJoe


-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Phil
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy

Hi everyone,

How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
participate in the sharing economy?

A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do gigs
rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB or
list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.

So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
blind community?

Best,
Phil

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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:40:50 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:40:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar hotel reservation update
Message-ID: <047601d133b4$f7903cd0$e6b0b670$@gmail.com>

Good evening,

                This is just a friendly reminder that Washington Seminar
hotel room reservations must be booked by Monday, December 21.

If you are in need of a roommate, feel free to reach out for guidance in
finding one. We are hoping to have the largest turn out of students in DC
this January!

Stay tuned for an announcement regarding all of the engaging and
entertaining events that NABS has planned for Washington Seminar!

 

To reserve a room at the Holiday Inn Capitol, call: 202-479-4000.

Remember to inform hotel personnel that you are with the NFB.

 

The address is:

Holiday Inn Capitol

550 C Street, SW

Washington DC, 20024

 

Please keep in mind that the NABS Winter Seminar begins Monday, January 25,
at 9am eastern!

 

Looking forward to connecting with you all soon!

 

Best,

Kathryn Webster

Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students

(203) 273-8463

Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com> 


From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:46:25 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:46:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with iTunes!
Message-ID: <3A7D69E6-4660-46EB-9AAE-FA3D689AC87F@gmail.com>

Hi all! This is Helga! How are you all?  I'm having an issue with iTunes on my Windows computer running JAWS 14 on it. For some reason, whenever I put my iPhone. 6S on my computer, in order to synch my music back on my iPhone iTunes does not recognize my iPhone. It use  to work before with my iPhone 6, but now it does not with my new iPhone. I had this problem since the end of October guys! Is there something I need to to do in ordr to fix this issue? I'm just wondering since I really want my music back on my iPhone 6S guys! I wil really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 01:55:59 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 20:55:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar hotel reservation update
In-Reply-To: <047601d133b4$f7903cd0$e6b0b670$@gmail.com>
References: <047601d133b4$f7903cd0$e6b0b670$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B4F7CC9D-F418-4260-ACDF-8CAA0FA913F4@gmail.com>

FYI, the group code which the hotel is using for our block is N9B. This will ensure that you get the discounted room rate.

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 10, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Good evening,
> 
>                This is just a friendly reminder that Washington Seminar
> hotel room reservations must be booked by Monday, December 21.
> 
> If you are in need of a roommate, feel free to reach out for guidance in
> finding one. We are hoping to have the largest turn out of students in DC
> this January!
> 
> Stay tuned for an announcement regarding all of the engaging and
> entertaining events that NABS has planned for Washington Seminar!
> 
> 
> 
> To reserve a room at the Holiday Inn Capitol, call: 202-479-4000.
> 
> Remember to inform hotel personnel that you are with the NFB.
> 
> 
> 
> The address is:
> 
> Holiday Inn Capitol
> 
> 550 C Street, SW
> 
> Washington DC, 20024
> 
> 
> 
> Please keep in mind that the NABS Winter Seminar begins Monday, January 25,
> at 9am eastern!
> 
> 
> 
> Looking forward to connecting with you all soon!
> 
> 
> 
> Best,
> 
> Kathryn Webster
> 
> Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students
> 
> (203) 273-8463
> 
> Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com> 
> 
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From philso1003 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 02:44:19 2015
From: philso1003 at gmail.com (Phil)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 21:44:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <000401d133a2$99700930$cc501b90$@gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000401d133a2$99700930$cc501b90$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO2euMfJm+AFjb2j0eU17kJ8zWeS4mW=z1mdR5qY-CROBKSMOA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey Joe,

I ask for 3 reasons.
First, to get us sharing about resources and personal experience with
the sharing economy as freelancers.
Two, to get us start thinking more possible ways blind people can
leverage sharing economy for our community, like BookShare or Be My
Eyes which are totally a blind thing.
And three, deaf community has their own Yellow Page. When a deaf
person needs to hire a plumber, she can hire a deaf plumber. This is
powerful for job creation and economic development within the
disability community as it keeps the money within the disability
community.



Best,
Phil



On 12/10/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Phil,
>
> I don't know that it's a blindness specific thing. Blind people have a
> myriad of talents that could translate to entrepreneurial ventures. Are you
> asking because you're interested in doing something yourself, or are you
> asking as a broader question of blindness ability?
>
> Joe
>
> --
> Musings of a Work in Progress:
> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>
> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Phil
> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
> participate in the sharing economy?
>
> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do gigs
> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB or
> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>
> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
> blind community?
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
> _______________________________________________
> nabs-l mailing list
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From rosz1878 at fredonia.edu  Fri Dec 11 05:04:42 2015
From: rosz1878 at fredonia.edu (Lisa E Roszyk)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 00:04:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar hotel reservation update
In-Reply-To: <B4F7CC9D-F418-4260-ACDF-8CAA0FA913F4@gmail.com>
References: <047601d133b4$f7903cd0$e6b0b670$@gmail.com>
	<B4F7CC9D-F418-4260-ACDF-8CAA0FA913F4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPnd0vn7qFugog1oPD0VVanx_ag6u2HTi92-woOLOvMP754ouQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi friends,

So this will be my first Washington seminar.
I am wondering if anyone is still looking for a roommate.

Lisa R +guide dog Marshmellow
On Dec 10, 2015 8:57 PM, "Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> FYI, the group code which the hotel is using for our block is N9B. This
> will ensure that you get the discounted room rate.
>
> Chris Nusbaum
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 10, 2015, at 8:40 PM, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > Good evening,
> >
> >                This is just a friendly reminder that Washington Seminar
> > hotel room reservations must be booked by Monday, December 21.
> >
> > If you are in need of a roommate, feel free to reach out for guidance in
> > finding one. We are hoping to have the largest turn out of students in DC
> > this January!
> >
> > Stay tuned for an announcement regarding all of the engaging and
> > entertaining events that NABS has planned for Washington Seminar!
> >
> >
> >
> > To reserve a room at the Holiday Inn Capitol, call: 202-479-4000.
> >
> > Remember to inform hotel personnel that you are with the NFB.
> >
> >
> >
> > The address is:
> >
> > Holiday Inn Capitol
> >
> > 550 C Street, SW
> >
> > Washington DC, 20024
> >
> >
> >
> > Please keep in mind that the NABS Winter Seminar begins Monday, January
> 25,
> > at 9am eastern!
> >
> >
> >
> > Looking forward to connecting with you all soon!
> >
> >
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Kathryn Webster
> >
> > Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students
> >
> > (203) 273-8463
> >
> > Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com <mailto:Kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com>
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > nabs-l mailing list
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> > To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> nabs-l:
> >
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From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 05:16:10 2015
From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski)
Date: Thu, 10 Dec 2015 23:16:10 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with iTunes!
In-Reply-To: <3A7D69E6-4660-46EB-9AAE-FA3D689AC87F@gmail.com>
References: <3A7D69E6-4660-46EB-9AAE-FA3D689AC87F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <566A5C1A.5000206@gmail.com>

I am not exactly sure on the process to fix this issue however, I would 
definitely take a look at Apple's support site. I believe they also have 
a Q and A forum where you can post information.
I hope this helps just a little bit.
Todd


On 12/10/2015 7:46 PM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l wrote:
> Hi all! This is Helga! How are you all?  I'm having an issue with iTunes on my Windows computer running JAWS 14 on it. For some reason, whenever I put my iPhone. 6S on my computer, in order to synch my music back on my iPhone iTunes does not recognize my iPhone. It use  to work before with my iPhone 6, but now it does not with my new iPhone. I had this problem since the end of October guys! Is there something I need to to do in ordr to fix this issue? I'm just wondering since I really want my music back on my iPhone 6S guys! I wil really appreciate it a lot if you can help me with this. I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!!!
>
> Helga Schreiber
>
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
>
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16
> Sent from my iPhone
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 11 06:53:03 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 01:53:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
In-Reply-To: <CAO2euMfJm+AFjb2j0eU17kJ8zWeS4mW=z1mdR5qY-CROBKSMOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO2euMdhveuaCjpV4x1WyLP-+2Z-8xFBwbgvbTtrsZHF0uQhxQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<000401d133a2$99700930$cc501b90$@gmail.com>
	<CAO2euMfJm+AFjb2j0eU17kJ8zWeS4mW=z1mdR5qY-CROBKSMOA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFja7FZkCazWQfLuV_y-nyYjCyFKCRPsn5toC8bO0a9QQbjvAQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've seen a few blind people do this already so my guess is that it is
accessible, but my sister started selling Scentsy and I think I will
begin to do the same in a few months.  Scentsy is a collection of
scented wax, candle warmers, essential oils, scented stuffed animals
for kids, and other products that smell amazing and sell well.  I
bought a warmer and some of the wax in a few scents from my sister and
love it.  It's nice because there are also scents men would like and
the products are affordable.

There are other similar products blind people can consult for.  Don't
quote me on accessibility here because I haven't necessarily seen
blind people do these, but there are things like Jam Berry, Mary K,
beauty product sales etc that are especially great for women to sell.
Fitness programs like Plexus and Advocare are also out there (Plexus
is another one my sister sold and I would highly recommend selling for
them).  There are probably other things out there more geared towards
men too, I just don't know about them.  I think just looking around
Google would turn up interesting results.

On 12/10/15, Phil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hey Joe,
>
> I ask for 3 reasons.
> First, to get us sharing about resources and personal experience with
> the sharing economy as freelancers.
> Two, to get us start thinking more possible ways blind people can
> leverage sharing economy for our community, like BookShare or Be My
> Eyes which are totally a blind thing.
> And three, deaf community has their own Yellow Page. When a deaf
> person needs to hire a plumber, she can hire a deaf plumber. This is
> powerful for job creation and economic development within the
> disability community as it keeps the money within the disability
> community.
>
>
>
> Best,
> Phil
>
>
>
> On 12/10/15, Joe via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Phil,
>>
>> I don't know that it's a blindness specific thing. Blind people have a
>> myriad of talents that could translate to entrepreneurial ventures. Are
>> you
>> asking because you're interested in doing something yourself, or are you
>> asking as a broader question of blindness ability?
>>
>> Joe
>>
>> --
>> Musings of a Work in Progress:
>> www.JoeOrozco.com/
>>
>> Twitter: @ScribblingJoe
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Phil via
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, December 10, 2015 1:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Phil
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Blind people and the sharing economy
>>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> How do you think blind and low vision folks can make some income and
>> participate in the sharing economy?
>>
>> A recent survey shows that 30% of Americans work as freelancers or do
>> gigs
>> rather than traditional jobs. 400000 people now drive for Uber.
>> If you have a spare room or basement you can rent it out through AirBnB
>> or
>> list it on Craigslist. And of course the blind community was a pioneer in
>> sharing economy with BookShare and recently Be My Eyes.
>>
>> So, what are your ideas both to participate in the sharing economy as a
>> seller or provider, and ideas for new sharing platforms and apps for the
>> blind community?
>>
>> Best,
>> Phil
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
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>>
>>
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>>
>
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-- 
Kaiti Shelton
University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 11 21:16:04 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:16:04 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] AAPD internship question
In-Reply-To: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012696F2@UBOX3.unr.edu>
References: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B012696F2@UBOX3.unr.edu>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS23BF18B2A46052B7130695BAEA0@phx.gbl>

Hello Michael,

It seems to me like your best bet would be to contact the people at AAPD,
and ask them if you would be able to attend the NFB national convention
during your internship. Since AAPD is an organization for people with
disabilities, and participating in disability related activities is a part
of the internship program, it would seem to me that taking some time out
from the internship to attend the NFB national convention might be a
possibility. However, the only way to know for sure would be to contact
someone at AAPD. Sorry I cannot provide you with any more information.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Michael D
Ausbun via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 08, 2015 4:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Michael D Ausbun <mausbun at unr.edu>
Subject: [nabs-l] AAPD internship question

Hello Nabsters,
	I was wondering, have any of you attended the AAPD internship
program in Washington D.C.? The reason that I am asking, is because I am
contemplating applying. However, I want to go to national convention, and I
am unsure if I would have the opportunity to do so, if I apply and am
selected. So, my question, I suppose, is:
Has anyone attended, and knows if someone can take the week off to go to
national convention?
Best,
Michael Ausbun

________________________________________
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[nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Monday, December 07, 2015 4:46 AM
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Fri Dec 11 21:40:00 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 16:40:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions Regarding Textbooks on Vital Source
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Hello All,

It has been a couple of semesters since I last took a college course at my
local community college. After doing some research regarding my textbooks
for next semester, I see that one of them is available on Vital Source. As I
understand it, Vital Source recently bought out Course Smart, and claims to
provide electronic textbooks in an accessible format.

I have never used Course Smart or Vital Source before, and I am wondering
how accessible and user friendly the Vital Source platform might be in terms
of accessing my textbook. Is it easy to navigate the user platform to read
textbooks using JAWS on a Windows based computer? Are you able to read
rather smoothly from the beginning of a chapter or section to the end of the
chapter or section when reading through the textbook? Can you use the normal
JAWS commands to read through the textbook by paragraph, sentence, word, or
character when reading through the textbook? Is it easy to copy and paste
the text in a Word document if for some reason I cannot read through the
text, or simply want to create my own notes outside of the platform
features?

Any comments or feedback on using Vital Source for obtaining textbooks would
be greatly appreciated. I would probably use the platform on my Windows
based computer if this helps you when providing feedback. However, any
feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks,
Elizabeth


From ALewis at nfb.org  Sat Dec 12 01:58:11 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 01:58:11 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBJI Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
Message-ID: <CY1PR07MB15261B9A4C37FF996099E807C1EB0@CY1PR07MB1526.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-jernigan-institute-research-collaboration-sunu-band
Blog Date:
Friday, December 11, 2015
By Amy Mason
The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute leads the quest to understand the real problems of blindness and to develop innovative education, technologies, products, and services that help the world's blind to achieve greater independence. Many technology developers have the best intensions when designing that great next product for the blind. Unfortunately they do not include blind people in the process. We strongly encourage developers of innovative nonvisual access technologies to work with us during the design and development phase. By leveraging the expertise and the life experience of the independent blind with the engineering expertise of these developers of next generation technologies, the result is an innovative, more useful product for the blind.
Last year we began just such a collaborative relationship with a startup by the name of UStraap. In 2014, we were contacted by one of the project's creators, Marco Trujillo, and asked to look at his prototype device. Our initial impressions can be seen in a previous AT Blog post about the USTRAAP<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/ustraap-system>. To paraphrase, at that time, we believed that the device had promise, and we were excited to see where it was going to go. It has indeed undergone several iterations of changes after extensive testing with blind people, and now goes by the name of Sunu.
In this post we want to share a bit of our interactions with the creators of the Sunu to provide a peak into the workings of the Access Technology Team and how we assist manufacturers in providing useful tools to blind consumers. The following is a brief description and critique of the Sunu Band by Sunu, and a sample of the feedback we were able to provide to the developers. In order to maintain the integrity of their intellectual property, we are only able to provide examples of questions and suggestions that demonstrate, in a small way, the benefit of our collaboration.
The Sunu Band
By Sunu
Sunu describes the Sunu Band as a smart-bracelet that uses sonar "look-ahead" technology, empowering mobility and independence for people living with impaired vision by helping improve awareness, orientation, and mobility, which can be used with other aids. The Sunu Band is a wearable bracelet with a sonar sensor, two buttons on the watch face, and an adjustable wristband. The device provides haptic feedback about surroundings to the user. You simply point or scan with the sensor on the device, and the closer you come to a person or object, the more intense the vibrations on your wrist become. There is also a separate Sunu Tag that can be used as a locator device for easily misplaced items. The tag will beep, and the wristband vibrates faster as the two come closer, "rather like a game of 'hot or cold' with a prize of rediscovering your missing keys." There are promises of leveraging app integration to create enhanced functionality, and add other features. The one that has already been implemented well enough to be tried by our team is a vibrating watch feature, similar to that offered by the Meteor Vibrating Pocket Watch. We will discuss each of these three features in turn, including our thoughts on how to improve the functionality, and finish with information on where you can go to get your hands on the device if it piques your interest.
Navigational Aid
The Sunu Band started life as merely a navigational aid intended to provide additional information to cane and dog guide users. As such, this is still the heart of the device and its functionality. The band uses sonar waves to gather information about the user's surroundings and conveys information on how near the user is to an obstacle by vibrating with increasing frequency as the user nears it. It offers both an outdoor and an indoor navigation mode. Indoor mode uses a narrower band and a shorter range in order to provide more detailed information when a user is in more crowded settings, and may be moving more slowly. In our testing, we found that the Sunu may be useful in a number of indoor and outdoor situations including:
*    Simulating shore-lining technique. For instance, indoors, a user could use the band to search across the hall for openings where the hall turns or open doors. Outdoors, it could be used to search for bus shelters, entrance alcoves for businesses, or other open spaces.
*    Following people in a line. By pointing the band at a person in front of the user in line, they can feel the change in vibrational pattern as the line moves up, without having to search as often for that person with the tip of the cane.
*    Detecting objects at head height. By angling the wrist just a little, it was possible for our testers to discover tree branches and other obstacles that might offer a nasty shock to the traveler.
It is rather clever in that it provides to cane users some of the foreknowledge of more distant objects enjoyed by dog users, and allows dog users to gather information about the obstacles they are maneuvering around with their guide.
Sunu states, "It is easy to learn within minutes." So we put this assertion to the test. Several staff members took the Sunu Band through some basic mobility scenarios. For some the indoor navigation functionality of the device took a little time to acclimate to, while others picked it up very intuitively. In discussions with the developers, they state that although you can learn to operate the device in minutes, it does take more time to master its use. We are hopeful that there are opportunities in the future for us to assist with the development of additional training materials. Our opinion is that it would be a helpful device for individuals to use as a complement to good orientation and mobility skills training.
Of course, when evaluating technologies that provide nonvisual information, there is always a tricky balance between how much is too much information. This is complicated by the fact that what is considered too much information for some may be considered too little information for others. This is why we definitely appreciate the ability to put the Sunu Band in sleep mode with ease.
The one area of concern with the band as a navigational tool that we noted at this time is that it is easily covered by the sleeve of a winter coat, and may not be as useful in the colder months outdoors.
Sunu Locator Tag
The tag is a pretty simple concept. A user places the tag on or in a bag, luggage, keys, or other easily-misplaced object. When the user wishes to locate the item, they can either use the wristband or the intended smartphone app to trigger the tag and follow the vibrations of the wristband or audible tones from the tag to help reunite them with their wandering belonging. The additional ability to use the vibrations on the band will hopefully make it possible for a user to silence the tag and find the item in question without alerting others in the area to the search.
We have been providing on-going support in the development of this technology and were pleased that some improvements have already been made. For example, the Sunu Tag is a much nicer size and shape than the original design, and also works well in our testing with the Sunu Band. We are looking forward to the integration with the app and Bluetooth, which should give it slightly longer range.
Timekeeping
As previously mentioned, the Sunu Band, although referred to as a bracelet, also tells time, like a watch. The original method of obtaining the time was deemed by our testers as a little too conspicuous. We emphasized that many people want to check the time in class, or in a boring meeting, and not let others know they are counting down the minutes. Although this was also input the developers received from others, we were able to give some additional useful feedback on some suggested alternative methods of checking the time.
We are hopeful that with app integration, alarms may also be included in the device, as the Sunu would prove to be a nicely inconspicuous way to keep track of upcoming appointments, and might even provide an alternative to a loudly buzzing alarm clock.
Design and Other Thoughts
We found the wireless charging feature of the device to be an interesting alternative to the more familiar USB chargers being used by most technologies. We expressed our disappointment that, in the beta unit, there was no non-visual indication that the products are actually charging. They informed us that they have a strategy for dealing with this in the final version. Moreover, they consulted us on using USB as an alternative option for charging the device. Using USB to directly charge the device may be more familiar to most users and may be more secure, because it is less likely the device will be knocked off its charger. However, USB seems like a possible point of malfunction due to plugging and unplugging the device. USB Micro just doesn't seem very sturdy and the charging disk would be unplugged a lot less often than the band, which would minimize the wear and tear on the band itself.
In our discussions with Marco, we learned that the folks from Sunu are hoping to add more features via their smartphone app, including some which may work with iBeacon and indoor navigation technology. We are very interested to see what may come of these discussions, and will continue to provide our guidance to the team at Sunu as they continue creating this very versatile and interesting piece of technology.
Final Thoughts
"Tested and validated" is Sunu's current claim. As the oldest, largest organization of the blind in the United States, the National Federation of the Blind is pleased that we are being afforded the opportunity to test and aid in the development of the product. We can validate that it is an innovative piece of access technology with great potential. We are hopeful that the Sunu Band technology will be integrated into one of the emerging navigation technologies we are identifying through our NFB Indoor Navigation Challenge<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-indoor-navigation-challenge-0>.
We make sure that technology developers understand that it is important that any wearable technology is both functional and stylish. The prototype of the Sunu Band has a wristband that can be sized fairly easily, and we found the to be a very simple and elegant solution.
Sunu informs us that the design of the final product will be even better. All in all, we cannot wait to see the final product, and with the advent of app and possible beacon integration, we are really quite excited by what the future holds for the Sunu Band.
For more information about the Sunu Band, visit http://sunu.io/ or their Indiegogo campaign. The intended retail price for the band and one tag is planned to be $250. During the campaign, the band and tag combo is available at a discounted price of $199, and for this weekend they are planning to offer a special package with the band only at $70.
To suggest other products in development for review, please email jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org>.

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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 03:46:56 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 22:46:56 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBJI Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
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Message-ID: <091D4CD7-FF22-40D9-A0A2-7971B6674751@gmail.com>

Hey everyone,

I've been Beta testing this wrist band for months. I highly reccomend if. 

Meaghan 

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College
President of Wheelock Student Theater 
Wheelock College Class of 2018
ropermeaghan at gmail.com
781-315-2720

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Lewis, Anil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
> https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-jernigan-institute-research-collaboration-sunu-band
> Blog Date:
> Friday, December 11, 2015
> By Amy Mason
> The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute leads the quest to understand the real problems of blindness and to develop innovative education, technologies, products, and services that help the world's blind to achieve greater independence. Many technology developers have the best intensions when designing that great next product for the blind. Unfortunately they do not include blind people in the process. We strongly encourage developers of innovative nonvisual access technologies to work with us during the design and development phase. By leveraging the expertise and the life experience of the independent blind with the engineering expertise of these developers of next generation technologies, the result is an innovative, more useful product for the blind.
> Last year we began just such a collaborative relationship with a startup by the name of UStraap. In 2014, we were contacted by one of the project's creators, Marco Trujillo, and asked to look at his prototype device. Our initial impressions can be seen in a previous AT Blog post about the USTRAAP<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/ustraap-system>. To paraphrase, at that time, we believed that the device had promise, and we were excited to see where it was going to go. It has indeed undergone several iterations of changes after extensive testing with blind people, and now goes by the name of Sunu.
> In this post we want to share a bit of our interactions with the creators of the Sunu to provide a peak into the workings of the Access Technology Team and how we assist manufacturers in providing useful tools to blind consumers. The following is a brief description and critique of the Sunu Band by Sunu, and a sample of the feedback we were able to provide to the developers. In order to maintain the integrity of their intellectual property, we are only able to provide examples of questions and suggestions that demonstrate, in a small way, the benefit of our collaboration.
> The Sunu Band
> By Sunu
> Sunu describes the Sunu Band as a smart-bracelet that uses sonar "look-ahead" technology, empowering mobility and independence for people living with impaired vision by helping improve awareness, orientation, and mobility, which can be used with other aids. The Sunu Band is a wearable bracelet with a sonar sensor, two buttons on the watch face, and an adjustable wristband. The device provides haptic feedback about surroundings to the user. You simply point or scan with the sensor on the device, and the closer you come to a person or object, the more intense the vibrations on your wrist become. There is also a separate Sunu Tag that can be used as a locator device for easily misplaced items. The tag will beep, and the wristband vibrates faster as the two come closer, "rather like a game of 'hot or cold' with a prize of rediscovering your missing keys." There are promises of leveraging app integration to create enhanced functionality, and add other features. The one that has already been implemented well enough to be tried by our team is a vibrating watch feature, similar to that offered by the Meteor Vibrating Pocket Watch. We will discuss each of these three features in turn, including our thoughts on how to improve the functionality, and finish with information on where you can go to get your hands on the device if it piques your interest.
> Navigational Aid
> The Sunu Band started life as merely a navigational aid intended to provide additional information to cane and dog guide users. As such, this is still the heart of the device and its functionality. The band uses sonar waves to gather information about the user's surroundings and conveys information on how near the user is to an obstacle by vibrating with increasing frequency as the user nears it. It offers both an outdoor and an indoor navigation mode. Indoor mode uses a narrower band and a shorter range in order to provide more detailed information when a user is in more crowded settings, and may be moving more slowly. In our testing, we found that the Sunu may be useful in a number of indoor and outdoor situations including:
> *    Simulating shore-lining technique. For instance, indoors, a user could use the band to search across the hall for openings where the hall turns or open doors. Outdoors, it could be used to search for bus shelters, entrance alcoves for businesses, or other open spaces.
> *    Following people in a line. By pointing the band at a person in front of the user in line, they can feel the change in vibrational pattern as the line moves up, without having to search as often for that person with the tip of the cane.
> *    Detecting objects at head height. By angling the wrist just a little, it was possible for our testers to discover tree branches and other obstacles that might offer a nasty shock to the traveler.
> It is rather clever in that it provides to cane users some of the foreknowledge of more distant objects enjoyed by dog users, and allows dog users to gather information about the obstacles they are maneuvering around with their guide.
> Sunu states, "It is easy to learn within minutes." So we put this assertion to the test. Several staff members took the Sunu Band through some basic mobility scenarios. For some the indoor navigation functionality of the device took a little time to acclimate to, while others picked it up very intuitively. In discussions with the developers, they state that although you can learn to operate the device in minutes, it does take more time to master its use. We are hopeful that there are opportunities in the future for us to assist with the development of additional training materials. Our opinion is that it would be a helpful device for individuals to use as a complement to good orientation and mobility skills training.
> Of course, when evaluating technologies that provide nonvisual information, there is always a tricky balance between how much is too much information. This is complicated by the fact that what is considered too much information for some may be considered too little information for others. This is why we definitely appreciate the ability to put the Sunu Band in sleep mode with ease.
> The one area of concern with the band as a navigational tool that we noted at this time is that it is easily covered by the sleeve of a winter coat, and may not be as useful in the colder months outdoors.
> Sunu Locator Tag
> The tag is a pretty simple concept. A user places the tag on or in a bag, luggage, keys, or other easily-misplaced object. When the user wishes to locate the item, they can either use the wristband or the intended smartphone app to trigger the tag and follow the vibrations of the wristband or audible tones from the tag to help reunite them with their wandering belonging. The additional ability to use the vibrations on the band will hopefully make it possible for a user to silence the tag and find the item in question without alerting others in the area to the search.
> We have been providing on-going support in the development of this technology and were pleased that some improvements have already been made. For example, the Sunu Tag is a much nicer size and shape than the original design, and also works well in our testing with the Sunu Band. We are looking forward to the integration with the app and Bluetooth, which should give it slightly longer range.
> Timekeeping
> As previously mentioned, the Sunu Band, although referred to as a bracelet, also tells time, like a watch. The original method of obtaining the time was deemed by our testers as a little too conspicuous. We emphasized that many people want to check the time in class, or in a boring meeting, and not let others know they are counting down the minutes. Although this was also input the developers received from others, we were able to give some additional useful feedback on some suggested alternative methods of checking the time.
> We are hopeful that with app integration, alarms may also be included in the device, as the Sunu would prove to be a nicely inconspicuous way to keep track of upcoming appointments, and might even provide an alternative to a loudly buzzing alarm clock.
> Design and Other Thoughts
> We found the wireless charging feature of the device to be an interesting alternative to the more familiar USB chargers being used by most technologies. We expressed our disappointment that, in the beta unit, there was no non-visual indication that the products are actually charging. They informed us that they have a strategy for dealing with this in the final version. Moreover, they consulted us on using USB as an alternative option for charging the device. Using USB to directly charge the device may be more familiar to most users and may be more secure, because it is less likely the device will be knocked off its charger. However, USB seems like a possible point of malfunction due to plugging and unplugging the device. USB Micro just doesn't seem very sturdy and the charging disk would be unplugged a lot less often than the band, which would minimize the wear and tear on the band itself.
> In our discussions with Marco, we learned that the folks from Sunu are hoping to add more features via their smartphone app, including some which may work with iBeacon and indoor navigation technology. We are very interested to see what may come of these discussions, and will continue to provide our guidance to the team at Sunu as they continue creating this very versatile and interesting piece of technology.
> Final Thoughts
> "Tested and validated" is Sunu's current claim. As the oldest, largest organization of the blind in the United States, the National Federation of the Blind is pleased that we are being afforded the opportunity to test and aid in the development of the product. We can validate that it is an innovative piece of access technology with great potential. We are hopeful that the Sunu Band technology will be integrated into one of the emerging navigation technologies we are identifying through our NFB Indoor Navigation Challenge<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-indoor-navigation-challenge-0>.
> We make sure that technology developers understand that it is important that any wearable technology is both functional and stylish. The prototype of the Sunu Band has a wristband that can be sized fairly easily, and we found the to be a very simple and elegant solution.
> Sunu informs us that the design of the final product will be even better. All in all, we cannot wait to see the final product, and with the advent of app and possible beacon integration, we are really quite excited by what the future holds for the Sunu Band.
> For more information about the Sunu Band, visit http://sunu.io/ or their Indiegogo campaign. The intended retail price for the band and one tag is planned to be $250. During the campaign, the band and tag combo is available at a discounted price of $199, and for this weekend they are planning to offer a special package with the band only at $70.
> To suggest other products in development for review, please email jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org>.
> 
> Media Share
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 03:49:48 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 22:49:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBJI Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
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	<091D4CD7-FF22-40D9-A0A2-7971B6674751@gmail.com>
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What does it do?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roper, Meaghan
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Hey everyone,

I've been Beta testing this wrist band for months. I highly reccomend if. 

Meaghan 

Meaghan Roper
Earl Center for Learning
And Innovation
ECA Associate
Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College President of Wheelock Student
Theater Wheelock College Class of 2018 ropermeaghan at gmail.com
781-315-2720

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Lewis, Anil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:
> 
> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Research 
> Collaboration: Sunu Band 
> https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-jernigan-institu
> te-research-collaboration-sunu-band
> Blog Date:
> Friday, December 11, 2015
> By Amy Mason
> The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute leads the quest to
understand the real problems of blindness and to develop innovative
education, technologies, products, and services that help the world's blind
to achieve greater independence. Many technology developers have the best
intensions when designing that great next product for the blind.
Unfortunately they do not include blind people in the process. We strongly
encourage developers of innovative nonvisual access technologies to work
with us during the design and development phase. By leveraging the expertise
and the life experience of the independent blind with the engineering
expertise of these developers of next generation technologies, the result is
an innovative, more useful product for the blind.
> Last year we began just such a collaborative relationship with a startup
by the name of UStraap. In 2014, we were contacted by one of the project's
creators, Marco Trujillo, and asked to look at his prototype device. Our
initial impressions can be seen in a previous AT Blog post about the
USTRAAP<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/ustraap-system>. To paraphrase, at that
time, we believed that the device had promise, and we were excited to see
where it was going to go. It has indeed undergone several iterations of
changes after extensive testing with blind people, and now goes by the name
of Sunu.
> In this post we want to share a bit of our interactions with the creators
of the Sunu to provide a peak into the workings of the Access Technology
Team and how we assist manufacturers in providing useful tools to blind
consumers. The following is a brief description and critique of the Sunu
Band by Sunu, and a sample of the feedback we were able to provide to the
developers. In order to maintain the integrity of their intellectual
property, we are only able to provide examples of questions and suggestions
that demonstrate, in a small way, the benefit of our collaboration.
> The Sunu Band
> By Sunu
> Sunu describes the Sunu Band as a smart-bracelet that uses sonar
"look-ahead" technology, empowering mobility and independence for people
living with impaired vision by helping improve awareness, orientation, and
mobility, which can be used with other aids. The Sunu Band is a wearable
bracelet with a sonar sensor, two buttons on the watch face, and an
adjustable wristband. The device provides haptic feedback about surroundings
to the user. You simply point or scan with the sensor on the device, and the
closer you come to a person or object, the more intense the vibrations on
your wrist become. There is also a separate Sunu Tag that can be used as a
locator device for easily misplaced items. The tag will beep, and the
wristband vibrates faster as the two come closer, "rather like a game of
'hot or cold' with a prize of rediscovering your missing keys." There are
promises of leveraging app integration to create enhanced functionality, and
add other features. The one that has already been implemented well enough to
be tried by our team is a vibrating watch feature, similar to that offered
by the Meteor Vibrating Pocket Watch. We will discuss each of these three
features in turn, including our thoughts on how to improve the
functionality, and finish with information on where you can go to get your
hands on the device if it piques your interest.
> Navigational Aid
> The Sunu Band started life as merely a navigational aid intended to
provide additional information to cane and dog guide users. As such, this is
still the heart of the device and its functionality. The band uses sonar
waves to gather information about the user's surroundings and conveys
information on how near the user is to an obstacle by vibrating with
increasing frequency as the user nears it. It offers both an outdoor and an
indoor navigation mode. Indoor mode uses a narrower band and a shorter range
in order to provide more detailed information when a user is in more crowded
settings, and may be moving more slowly. In our testing, we found that the
Sunu may be useful in a number of indoor and outdoor situations including:
> *    Simulating shore-lining technique. For instance, indoors, a user
could use the band to search across the hall for openings where the hall
turns or open doors. Outdoors, it could be used to search for bus shelters,
entrance alcoves for businesses, or other open spaces.
> *    Following people in a line. By pointing the band at a person in front
of the user in line, they can feel the change in vibrational pattern as the
line moves up, without having to search as often for that person with the
tip of the cane.
> *    Detecting objects at head height. By angling the wrist just a little,
it was possible for our testers to discover tree branches and other
obstacles that might offer a nasty shock to the traveler.
> It is rather clever in that it provides to cane users some of the
foreknowledge of more distant objects enjoyed by dog users, and allows dog
users to gather information about the obstacles they are maneuvering around
with their guide.
> Sunu states, "It is easy to learn within minutes." So we put this
assertion to the test. Several staff members took the Sunu Band through some
basic mobility scenarios. For some the indoor navigation functionality of
the device took a little time to acclimate to, while others picked it up
very intuitively. In discussions with the developers, they state that
although you can learn to operate the device in minutes, it does take more
time to master its use. We are hopeful that there are opportunities in the
future for us to assist with the development of additional training
materials. Our opinion is that it would be a helpful device for individuals
to use as a complement to good orientation and mobility skills training.
> Of course, when evaluating technologies that provide nonvisual
information, there is always a tricky balance between how much is too much
information. This is complicated by the fact that what is considered too
much information for some may be considered too little information for
others. This is why we definitely appreciate the ability to put the Sunu
Band in sleep mode with ease.
> The one area of concern with the band as a navigational tool that we noted
at this time is that it is easily covered by the sleeve of a winter coat,
and may not be as useful in the colder months outdoors.
> Sunu Locator Tag
> The tag is a pretty simple concept. A user places the tag on or in a bag,
luggage, keys, or other easily-misplaced object. When the user wishes to
locate the item, they can either use the wristband or the intended
smartphone app to trigger the tag and follow the vibrations of the wristband
or audible tones from the tag to help reunite them with their wandering
belonging. The additional ability to use the vibrations on the band will
hopefully make it possible for a user to silence the tag and find the item
in question without alerting others in the area to the search.
> We have been providing on-going support in the development of this
technology and were pleased that some improvements have already been made.
For example, the Sunu Tag is a much nicer size and shape than the original
design, and also works well in our testing with the Sunu Band. We are
looking forward to the integration with the app and Bluetooth, which should
give it slightly longer range.
> Timekeeping
> As previously mentioned, the Sunu Band, although referred to as a
bracelet, also tells time, like a watch. The original method of obtaining
the time was deemed by our testers as a little too conspicuous. We
emphasized that many people want to check the time in class, or in a boring
meeting, and not let others know they are counting down the minutes.
Although this was also input the developers received from others, we were
able to give some additional useful feedback on some suggested alternative
methods of checking the time.
> We are hopeful that with app integration, alarms may also be included in
the device, as the Sunu would prove to be a nicely inconspicuous way to keep
track of upcoming appointments, and might even provide an alternative to a
loudly buzzing alarm clock.
> Design and Other Thoughts
> We found the wireless charging feature of the device to be an interesting
alternative to the more familiar USB chargers being used by most
technologies. We expressed our disappointment that, in the beta unit, there
was no non-visual indication that the products are actually charging. They
informed us that they have a strategy for dealing with this in the final
version. Moreover, they consulted us on using USB as an alternative option
for charging the device. Using USB to directly charge the device may be more
familiar to most users and may be more secure, because it is less likely the
device will be knocked off its charger. However, USB seems like a possible
point of malfunction due to plugging and unplugging the device. USB Micro
just doesn't seem very sturdy and the charging disk would be unplugged a lot
less often than the band, which would minimize the wear and tear on the band
itself.
> In our discussions with Marco, we learned that the folks from Sunu are
hoping to add more features via their smartphone app, including some which
may work with iBeacon and indoor navigation technology. We are very
interested to see what may come of these discussions, and will continue to
provide our guidance to the team at Sunu as they continue creating this very
versatile and interesting piece of technology.
> Final Thoughts
> "Tested and validated" is Sunu's current claim. As the oldest, largest
organization of the blind in the United States, the National Federation of
the Blind is pleased that we are being afforded the opportunity to test and
aid in the development of the product. We can validate that it is an
innovative piece of access technology with great potential. We are hopeful
that the Sunu Band technology will be integrated into one of the emerging
navigation technologies we are identifying through our NFB Indoor Navigation
Challenge<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-indoor-navig
ation-challenge-0>.
> We make sure that technology developers understand that it is important
that any wearable technology is both functional and stylish. The prototype
of the Sunu Band has a wristband that can be sized fairly easily, and we
found the to be a very simple and elegant solution.
> Sunu informs us that the design of the final product will be even better.
All in all, we cannot wait to see the final product, and with the advent of
app and possible beacon integration, we are really quite excited by what the
future holds for the Sunu Band.
> For more information about the Sunu Band, visit http://sunu.io/ or their
Indiegogo campaign. The intended retail price for the band and one tag is
planned to be $250. During the campaign, the band and tag combo is available
at a discounted price of $199, and for this weekend they are planning to
offer a special package with the band only at $70.
> To suggest other products in development for review, please email
jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org>.
> 
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 04:02:31 2015
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen Gallagher)
Date: Fri, 11 Dec 2015 23:02:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] NFBJI Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
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Hi,
From my understanding, it is a vibrating wristband.
Cullen 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 11, 2015, at 10:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What does it do?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Roper, Meaghan
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Friday, December 11, 2015 10:47 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Roper, Meaghan <ropermeaghan at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] NFBJI Research Collaboration: Sunu Band
> 
> Hey everyone,
> 
> I've been Beta testing this wrist band for months. I highly reccomend if. 
> 
> Meaghan 
> 
> Meaghan Roper
> Earl Center for Learning
> And Innovation
> ECA Associate
> Admissions Ambassador for Wheelock College President of Wheelock Student
> Theater Wheelock College Class of 2018 ropermeaghan at gmail.com
> 781-315-2720
> 
>>> On Dec 11, 2015, at 8:58 PM, Lewis, Anil via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute Research 
>> Collaboration: Sunu Band 
>> https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-jernigan-institu
>> te-research-collaboration-sunu-band
>> Blog Date:
>> Friday, December 11, 2015
>> By Amy Mason
>> The National Federation of the Blind Jernigan Institute leads the quest to
> understand the real problems of blindness and to develop innovative
> education, technologies, products, and services that help the world's blind
> to achieve greater independence. Many technology developers have the best
> intensions when designing that great next product for the blind.
> Unfortunately they do not include blind people in the process. We strongly
> encourage developers of innovative nonvisual access technologies to work
> with us during the design and development phase. By leveraging the expertise
> and the life experience of the independent blind with the engineering
> expertise of these developers of next generation technologies, the result is
> an innovative, more useful product for the blind.
>> Last year we began just such a collaborative relationship with a startup
> by the name of UStraap. In 2014, we were contacted by one of the project's
> creators, Marco Trujillo, and asked to look at his prototype device. Our
> initial impressions can be seen in a previous AT Blog post about the
> USTRAAP<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/ustraap-system>. To paraphrase, at that
> time, we believed that the device had promise, and we were excited to see
> where it was going to go. It has indeed undergone several iterations of
> changes after extensive testing with blind people, and now goes by the name
> of Sunu.
>> In this post we want to share a bit of our interactions with the creators
> of the Sunu to provide a peak into the workings of the Access Technology
> Team and how we assist manufacturers in providing useful tools to blind
> consumers. The following is a brief description and critique of the Sunu
> Band by Sunu, and a sample of the feedback we were able to provide to the
> developers. In order to maintain the integrity of their intellectual
> property, we are only able to provide examples of questions and suggestions
> that demonstrate, in a small way, the benefit of our collaboration.
>> The Sunu Band
>> By Sunu
>> Sunu describes the Sunu Band as a smart-bracelet that uses sonar
> "look-ahead" technology, empowering mobility and independence for people
> living with impaired vision by helping improve awareness, orientation, and
> mobility, which can be used with other aids. The Sunu Band is a wearable
> bracelet with a sonar sensor, two buttons on the watch face, and an
> adjustable wristband. The device provides haptic feedback about surroundings
> to the user. You simply point or scan with the sensor on the device, and the
> closer you come to a person or object, the more intense the vibrations on
> your wrist become. There is also a separate Sunu Tag that can be used as a
> locator device for easily misplaced items. The tag will beep, and the
> wristband vibrates faster as the two come closer, "rather like a game of
> 'hot or cold' with a prize of rediscovering your missing keys." There are
> promises of leveraging app integration to create enhanced functionality, and
> add other features. The one that has already been implemented well enough to
> be tried by our team is a vibrating watch feature, similar to that offered
> by the Meteor Vibrating Pocket Watch. We will discuss each of these three
> features in turn, including our thoughts on how to improve the
> functionality, and finish with information on where you can go to get your
> hands on the device if it piques your interest.
>> Navigational Aid
>> The Sunu Band started life as merely a navigational aid intended to
> provide additional information to cane and dog guide users. As such, this is
> still the heart of the device and its functionality. The band uses sonar
> waves to gather information about the user's surroundings and conveys
> information on how near the user is to an obstacle by vibrating with
> increasing frequency as the user nears it. It offers both an outdoor and an
> indoor navigation mode. Indoor mode uses a narrower band and a shorter range
> in order to provide more detailed information when a user is in more crowded
> settings, and may be moving more slowly. In our testing, we found that the
> Sunu may be useful in a number of indoor and outdoor situations including:
>> *    Simulating shore-lining technique. For instance, indoors, a user
> could use the band to search across the hall for openings where the hall
> turns or open doors. Outdoors, it could be used to search for bus shelters,
> entrance alcoves for businesses, or other open spaces.
>> *    Following people in a line. By pointing the band at a person in front
> of the user in line, they can feel the change in vibrational pattern as the
> line moves up, without having to search as often for that person with the
> tip of the cane.
>> *    Detecting objects at head height. By angling the wrist just a little,
> it was possible for our testers to discover tree branches and other
> obstacles that might offer a nasty shock to the traveler.
>> It is rather clever in that it provides to cane users some of the
> foreknowledge of more distant objects enjoyed by dog users, and allows dog
> users to gather information about the obstacles they are maneuvering around
> with their guide.
>> Sunu states, "It is easy to learn within minutes." So we put this
> assertion to the test. Several staff members took the Sunu Band through some
> basic mobility scenarios. For some the indoor navigation functionality of
> the device took a little time to acclimate to, while others picked it up
> very intuitively. In discussions with the developers, they state that
> although you can learn to operate the device in minutes, it does take more
> time to master its use. We are hopeful that there are opportunities in the
> future for us to assist with the development of additional training
> materials. Our opinion is that it would be a helpful device for individuals
> to use as a complement to good orientation and mobility skills training.
>> Of course, when evaluating technologies that provide nonvisual
> information, there is always a tricky balance between how much is too much
> information. This is complicated by the fact that what is considered too
> much information for some may be considered too little information for
> others. This is why we definitely appreciate the ability to put the Sunu
> Band in sleep mode with ease.
>> The one area of concern with the band as a navigational tool that we noted
> at this time is that it is easily covered by the sleeve of a winter coat,
> and may not be as useful in the colder months outdoors.
>> Sunu Locator Tag
>> The tag is a pretty simple concept. A user places the tag on or in a bag,
> luggage, keys, or other easily-misplaced object. When the user wishes to
> locate the item, they can either use the wristband or the intended
> smartphone app to trigger the tag and follow the vibrations of the wristband
> or audible tones from the tag to help reunite them with their wandering
> belonging. The additional ability to use the vibrations on the band will
> hopefully make it possible for a user to silence the tag and find the item
> in question without alerting others in the area to the search.
>> We have been providing on-going support in the development of this
> technology and were pleased that some improvements have already been made.
> For example, the Sunu Tag is a much nicer size and shape than the original
> design, and also works well in our testing with the Sunu Band. We are
> looking forward to the integration with the app and Bluetooth, which should
> give it slightly longer range.
>> Timekeeping
>> As previously mentioned, the Sunu Band, although referred to as a
> bracelet, also tells time, like a watch. The original method of obtaining
> the time was deemed by our testers as a little too conspicuous. We
> emphasized that many people want to check the time in class, or in a boring
> meeting, and not let others know they are counting down the minutes.
> Although this was also input the developers received from others, we were
> able to give some additional useful feedback on some suggested alternative
> methods of checking the time.
>> We are hopeful that with app integration, alarms may also be included in
> the device, as the Sunu would prove to be a nicely inconspicuous way to keep
> track of upcoming appointments, and might even provide an alternative to a
> loudly buzzing alarm clock.
>> Design and Other Thoughts
>> We found the wireless charging feature of the device to be an interesting
> alternative to the more familiar USB chargers being used by most
> technologies. We expressed our disappointment that, in the beta unit, there
> was no non-visual indication that the products are actually charging. They
> informed us that they have a strategy for dealing with this in the final
> version. Moreover, they consulted us on using USB as an alternative option
> for charging the device. Using USB to directly charge the device may be more
> familiar to most users and may be more secure, because it is less likely the
> device will be knocked off its charger. However, USB seems like a possible
> point of malfunction due to plugging and unplugging the device. USB Micro
> just doesn't seem very sturdy and the charging disk would be unplugged a lot
> less often than the band, which would minimize the wear and tear on the band
> itself.
>> In our discussions with Marco, we learned that the folks from Sunu are
> hoping to add more features via their smartphone app, including some which
> may work with iBeacon and indoor navigation technology. We are very
> interested to see what may come of these discussions, and will continue to
> provide our guidance to the team at Sunu as they continue creating this very
> versatile and interesting piece of technology.
>> Final Thoughts
>> "Tested and validated" is Sunu's current claim. As the oldest, largest
> organization of the blind in the United States, the National Federation of
> the Blind is pleased that we are being afforded the opportunity to test and
> aid in the development of the product. We can validate that it is an
> innovative piece of access technology with great potential. We are hopeful
> that the Sunu Band technology will be integrated into one of the emerging
> navigation technologies we are identifying through our NFB Indoor Navigation
> Challenge<https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/national-federation-blind-indoor-navig
> ation-challenge-0>.
>> We make sure that technology developers understand that it is important
> that any wearable technology is both functional and stylish. The prototype
> of the Sunu Band has a wristband that can be sized fairly easily, and we
> found the to be a very simple and elegant solution.
>> Sunu informs us that the design of the final product will be even better.
> All in all, we cannot wait to see the final product, and with the advent of
> app and possible beacon integration, we are really quite excited by what the
> future holds for the Sunu Band.
>> For more information about the Sunu Band, visit http://sunu.io/ or their
> Indiegogo campaign. The intended retail price for the band and one tag is
> planned to be $250. During the campaign, the band and tag combo is available
> at a discounted price of $199, and for this weekend they are planning to
> offer a special package with the band only at $70.
>> To suggest other products in development for review, please email
> jerniganinstitute at nfb.org<mailto:jerniganinstitute at nfb.org>.
>> 
>> Media Share
>> Facebook<http://facebook.com/sharer.php?u=https://nfb.org/blog/atblog/
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>> nu-band&t=National+Federation+of+the+Blind+Jernigan+Institute++Researc
>> h+Collaboration%3A+Sunu+Band> 
>> Twitter<http://twitter.com/intent/tweet?url=https://nfb.org/blog/atblo
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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 12 15:29:19 2015
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2015 10:29:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions Regarding Textbooks on Vital Source
In-Reply-To: <COL401-EAS480BC969DE93CDFC0F99F82BAEA0@phx.gbl>
References: <COL401-EAS480BC969DE93CDFC0F99F82BAEA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CAAHz73kHHqPLFTY97EdmSoTbXwyVnK=4mC2B9j2Sfo=s3BA2vw@mail.gmail.com>

I have gotten quite a few of my books from VitalSource. I use it both
on my computer with JAWS and my iPhone bluetoothed with my
BrailleSense. The standard navigation and selection commands work
well. Pictures will often times have descriptive captions.

On 12/11/15, Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello All,
>
> It has been a couple of semesters since I last took a college course at my
> local community college. After doing some research regarding my textbooks
> for next semester, I see that one of them is available on Vital Source. As
> I
> understand it, Vital Source recently bought out Course Smart, and claims to
> provide electronic textbooks in an accessible format.
>
> I have never used Course Smart or Vital Source before, and I am wondering
> how accessible and user friendly the Vital Source platform might be in
> terms
> of accessing my textbook. Is it easy to navigate the user platform to read
> textbooks using JAWS on a Windows based computer? Are you able to read
> rather smoothly from the beginning of a chapter or section to the end of
> the
> chapter or section when reading through the textbook? Can you use the
> normal
> JAWS commands to read through the textbook by paragraph, sentence, word, or
> character when reading through the textbook? Is it easy to copy and paste
> the text in a Word document if for some reason I cannot read through the
> text, or simply want to create my own notes outside of the platform
> features?
>
> Any comments or feedback on using Vital Source for obtaining textbooks
> would
> be greatly appreciated. I would probably use the platform on my Windows
> based computer if this helps you when providing feedback. However, any
> feedback would be greatly appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Elizabeth
>
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 07:19:42 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 02:19:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Come Spread Some Christmas Cheer While Helping
 InnerVisions Radio Support St Jude Children's Research Hospital
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+yRf2KViJwXhL8qVPtCxKwdvU_rhOfmGwSaSaoj_K0o6w@mail.gmail.com>

***Please consider passing this on to anyone you think would want to
know about this, as it's for a great cause and will bring holiday
cheer to people**
Hello All!
If you're feeling in the Christmas spirit, or if you need a bit of a
Christmas lift, and you want to help spread some Christmas cheer with
some good people, while helping to support a great cause in the
process, then read on.
Join me and the InnerVisions Radio team on December 20, 2015 for our
fund raising radiothon to raise money for St Jude Children's Research
Hospital. If you've never heard of St Jude, you can learn more about
them at
http://www.stjude.org
Starting 9 PM pacific on December 19 (midnight eastern) we'll be doing
a 24 hour radiothon to raise money for this terrific cause.
>From awesome music, to information on the charity; from in-show
entertainment and interviews, including a live one with Jessica
Victoria, a very talented young musician to prizes; from some
Christmas dramas to a prize competition, we believe there will be
something for everyone to enjoy!
And if that's not enough, you'll be able to leave a Christmas message
for friends, family, loved ones, or just the listeners at large.
To do this, email me at
djd at inner-visions.org
with an attached audio file with your message, or you can call it in at
1-832-999-8110
If you record an audio file of your greeting, there should be no
background music used. If you want to create a second one with
background music, that's fine, but there must be at least one dry
liner with just your voice.
And for those who have followed my shows for awhile, my annual
Christmas party will be integrated into the 24 hour event, starting at
7 PM eastern to midnight eastern on December 20, so that'll be part of
the last five hours of our 24 hour radiothon.
If you'd like to hear an audio version of the press release, go grab it here at
https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/4lrw5l
Be sure to follow
ivrnetwork
for updates on guests, prizes, etc on twitter, as the event draws
closer. A link to donate will be provided this way too.
If you're interested in receiving this info via email, message me at
djd at inner-visions.org
expressing your interest in the vent and the desire to be notified of
radiothon updates so I can make sure you receive said info into your
inbox.
You can email me any questions to the above address too if you wish.
Our 24 hour radiothon promises to be lots of fun, and I can't wait for
you to be part of it. I hope you'll join us in raising money for a
good cause, and bringing a little Christmas cheer to the world!
>From David Dunphy


From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 22:17:01 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:17:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS Membership
	Call!
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Happy Sunday Fellow Students:
> 
> Math—it's a word which conjures up a wide range of emotions in students. Some associate it with the excitement of a good challenge, while others (myself included) shudder with fear and frustration at the mention of the very word. Too often, however, blind students associate math with the discouragement of being told we can't succeed in the subject because we are blind. We in NABS and the NFB believe that blind students can succeed in whatever field we choose, including the STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) subjects. But the question remains: How will we do it?
> 
> To help answer this question, the NABS membership committee is excited to hold a conference call all about doing math as a blind student tonight at 7:00 PM EST. This call will feature presentations from John Miller of our Science and Engineering Division and Eric Guillory of the Louisiana Center for the Blind, two successful blind adults who have excelled in math and who are now ready to share how they did it. There will also be ample time for you to get your questions answered about specific challenges you are facing in your math classes. No matter how you feel about math, this is sure to be an informative and empowering seminar. To participate in the call, please dial (605) 475-6700 and enter access code 7869673. We look forward to talking with you tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern about how you can live the life you want through math in college!
> 
> Happy holidays,   
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member 

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 22:55:32 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 14:55:32 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
	MembershipCall!
Message-ID: <566df781.218b3c0a.2ad34.237e@mx.google.com>

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From arielle71 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 13 23:07:01 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 15:07:01 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] OT: Come Spread Some Christmas Cheer While Helping
 InnerVisions Radio Support St Jude Children's Research Hospital
In-Reply-To: <CAMjrC+yRf2KViJwXhL8qVPtCxKwdvU_rhOfmGwSaSaoj_K0o6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMjrC+yRf2KViJwXhL8qVPtCxKwdvU_rhOfmGwSaSaoj_K0o6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJBgdbCwoaD98e1VW1gtqE9D0swdtrob4N9281uxf33KuA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi David and all,
This is a friendly reminder that radio show announcements are only
appropriate for this list when they contain information directly
related to blindness, NABS, or the NFB. If this is the case, please
clearly spell out the relevance in the subject line of your message.
Writing "OT" in the subject line, in general, is not a valid way to
circumvent list committee rules about what is on or off topic. Even
messages that are marked "OT" still clutter the list.

With respect,
Arielle Silverman, List Moderator

On 12/12/15, David Dunphy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> ***Please consider passing this on to anyone you think would want to
> know about this, as it's for a great cause and will bring holiday
> cheer to people**
> Hello All!
> If you're feeling in the Christmas spirit, or if you need a bit of a
> Christmas lift, and you want to help spread some Christmas cheer with
> some good people, while helping to support a great cause in the
> process, then read on.
> Join me and the InnerVisions Radio team on December 20, 2015 for our
> fund raising radiothon to raise money for St Jude Children's Research
> Hospital. If you've never heard of St Jude, you can learn more about
> them at
> http://www.stjude.org
> Starting 9 PM pacific on December 19 (midnight eastern) we'll be doing
> a 24 hour radiothon to raise money for this terrific cause.
> From awesome music, to information on the charity; from in-show
> entertainment and interviews, including a live one with Jessica
> Victoria, a very talented young musician to prizes; from some
> Christmas dramas to a prize competition, we believe there will be
> something for everyone to enjoy!
> And if that's not enough, you'll be able to leave a Christmas message
> for friends, family, loved ones, or just the listeners at large.
> To do this, email me at
> djd at inner-visions.org
> with an attached audio file with your message, or you can call it in at
> 1-832-999-8110
> If you record an audio file of your greeting, there should be no
> background music used. If you want to create a second one with
> background music, that's fine, but there must be at least one dry
> liner with just your voice.
> And for those who have followed my shows for awhile, my annual
> Christmas party will be integrated into the 24 hour event, starting at
> 7 PM eastern to midnight eastern on December 20, so that'll be part of
> the last five hours of our 24 hour radiothon.
> If you'd like to hear an audio version of the press release, go grab it here
> at
> https://www.sendspace.com/pro/dl/4lrw5l
> Be sure to follow
> ivrnetwork
> for updates on guests, prizes, etc on twitter, as the event draws
> closer. A link to donate will be provided this way too.
> If you're interested in receiving this info via email, message me at
> djd at inner-visions.org
> expressing your interest in the vent and the desire to be notified of
> radiothon updates so I can make sure you receive said info into your
> inbox.
> You can email me any questions to the above address too if you wish.
> Our 24 hour radiothon promises to be lots of fun, and I can't wait for
> you to be part of it. I hope you'll join us in raising money for a
> good cause, and bringing a little Christmas cheer to the world!
> From David Dunphy
>
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From jonathancandler_msa at q.com  Mon Dec 14 03:52:36 2015
From: jonathancandler_msa at q.com (Jonathan Candler)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:52:36 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
	MembershipCall!
In-Reply-To: <566df781.218b3c0a.2ad34.237e@mx.google.com>
References: <566df781.218b3c0a.2ad34.237e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <063C9640-3A46-4147-99BB-485A6ACF2D89@q.com>

Just to let you all know, tonight's meeting has been recorded, but we had some technical issues with part of it. So I will have to do some editing, but it will be uploaded sometime this week. A link will be given out so that those who were not there can download the recorded version.

Jonnyboy! Iphones rock!

> On Dec 13, 2015, at 15:55, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> How would I solve word problems with confidenence.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:17:01 -0500
> Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS MembershipCall!
> 
> Happy Sunday Fellow Students:
> 
> Math—it's a word which conjures up a wide range of emotions in students.  Some associate it with the excitement of a good challenge, while others (myself included) shudder with fear and frustration at the mention of the very word.  Too often, however, blind students associate math with the discouragement of being told we can't succeed in the subject because we are blind.  We in NABS and the NFB believe that blind students can succeed in whatever field we choose, including the STEM (science, technology, engineering and math) subjects.  But the question remains: How will we do it?
> 
> To help answer this question, the NABS membership committee is excited to hold a conference call all about doing math as a blind student tonight at 7:00 PM EST.  This call will feature presentations from John Miller of our Science and Engineering Division and Eric Guillory of the Louisiana Center for the Blind, two successful blind adults who have excelled in math and who are now ready to share how they did it.  There will also be ample time for you to get your questions answered about specific challenges you are facing in your math classes.  No matter how you feel about math, this is sure to be an informative and empowering seminar.  To participate in the call, please dial (605) 475-6700 and enter access code 7869673.  We look forward to talking with you tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern about how you can live the life you want through math in college!
> 
> Happy holidays,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member
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From blackbyrdfly at gmail.com  Mon Dec 14 03:56:15 2015
From: blackbyrdfly at gmail.com (Jamie P.)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 20:56:15 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
	MembershipCall!
In-Reply-To: <063C9640-3A46-4147-99BB-485A6ACF2D89@q.com>
References: <566df781.218b3c0a.2ad34.237e@mx.google.com>
	<063C9640-3A46-4147-99BB-485A6ACF2D89@q.com>
Message-ID: <CABmRQ=DN3=Ry+Q6Juvye+5oZ67S5JTub5KzaEr_2gbhVqaKiDA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow, I wish I had known about this just a few hours earlier. I would have
absolutely been there.

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Candler via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Just to let you all know, tonight's meeting has been recorded, but we had
> some technical issues with part of it. So I will have to do some editing,
> but it will be uploaded sometime this week. A link will be given out so
> that those who were not there can download the recorded version.
>
> Jonnyboy! Iphones rock!
>
> > On Dec 13, 2015, at 15:55, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> > How would I solve word problems with confidenence.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > Date sent: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:17:01 -0500
> > Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
> MembershipCall!
> >
> > Happy Sunday Fellow Students:
> >
> > Math—it's a word which conjures up a wide range of emotions in
> students.  Some associate it with the excitement of a good challenge, while
> others (myself included) shudder with fear and frustration at the mention
> of the very word.  Too often, however, blind students associate math with
> the discouragement of being told we can't succeed in the subject because we
> are blind.  We in NABS and the NFB believe that blind students can succeed
> in whatever field we choose, including the STEM (science, technology,
> engineering and math) subjects.  But the question remains: How will we do
> it?
> >
> > To help answer this question, the NABS membership committee is excited
> to hold a conference call all about doing math as a blind student tonight
> at 7:00 PM EST.  This call will feature presentations from John Miller of
> our Science and Engineering Division and Eric Guillory of the Louisiana
> Center for the Blind, two successful blind adults who have excelled in math
> and who are now ready to share how they did it.  There will also be ample
> time for you to get your questions answered about specific challenges you
> are facing in your math classes.  No matter how you feel about math, this
> is sure to be an informative and empowering seminar.  To participate in the
> call, please dial (605) 475-6700 and enter access code 7869673.  We look
> forward to talking with you tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern about how you can
> live the life you want through math in college!
> >
> > Happy holidays,
> >
> > Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member
> > _______________________________________________
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> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Mon Dec 14 04:02:32 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 22:02:32 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
	MembershipCall!
In-Reply-To: <CABmRQ=DN3=Ry+Q6Juvye+5oZ67S5JTub5KzaEr_2gbhVqaKiDA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <566df781.218b3c0a.2ad34.237e@mx.google.com>
	<063C9640-3A46-4147-99BB-485A6ACF2D89@q.com>
	<CABmRQ=DN3=Ry+Q6Juvye+5oZ67S5JTub5KzaEr_2gbhVqaKiDA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY736_DJn2wevyaAQMUGavneqSPu3KU2KtrSTvGUp4eG5w@mail.gmail.com>

Jaimie, I totally agree! Thank goodness it got recorded!

And Petras, in answer to your question, it kind of depends on the type of
math, but half the battle is believing in yourself, as chchsy as that
sounds. You know you're capable. It may be that you have to do something
different to learn the material, and it may take you a bit longer, which
can be a bummer. But if it's something you want to do, you can do it!

On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 9:56 PM, Jamie P. via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Wow, I wish I had known about this just a few hours earlier. I would have
> absolutely been there.
>
> On Sun, Dec 13, 2015 at 8:52 PM, Jonathan Candler via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> > Just to let you all know, tonight's meeting has been recorded, but we had
> > some technical issues with part of it. So I will have to do some editing,
> > but it will be uploaded sometime this week. A link will be given out so
> > that those who were not there can download the recorded version.
> >
> > Jonnyboy! Iphones rock!
> >
> > > On Dec 13, 2015, at 15:55, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > How would I solve word problems with confidenence.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > Date sent: Sun, 13 Dec 2015 17:17:01 -0500
> > > Subject: [nabs-l] Reminder: It's All about Math on Tonight's NABS
> > MembershipCall!
> > >
> > > Happy Sunday Fellow Students:
> > >
> > > Math—it's a word which conjures up a wide range of emotions in
> > students.  Some associate it with the excitement of a good challenge,
> while
> > others (myself included) shudder with fear and frustration at the mention
> > of the very word.  Too often, however, blind students associate math with
> > the discouragement of being told we can't succeed in the subject because
> we
> > are blind.  We in NABS and the NFB believe that blind students can
> succeed
> > in whatever field we choose, including the STEM (science, technology,
> > engineering and math) subjects.  But the question remains: How will we do
> > it?
> > >
> > > To help answer this question, the NABS membership committee is excited
> > to hold a conference call all about doing math as a blind student tonight
> > at 7:00 PM EST.  This call will feature presentations from John Miller of
> > our Science and Engineering Division and Eric Guillory of the Louisiana
> > Center for the Blind, two successful blind adults who have excelled in
> math
> > and who are now ready to share how they did it.  There will also be ample
> > time for you to get your questions answered about specific challenges you
> > are facing in your math classes.  No matter how you feel about math, this
> > is sure to be an informative and empowering seminar.  To participate in
> the
> > call, please dial (605) 475-6700 and enter access code 7869673.  We look
> > forward to talking with you tonight at 7:00 PM Eastern about how you can
> > live the life you want through math in college!
> > >
> > > Happy holidays,
> > >
> > > Chris Nusbaum, NABS Board Member
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > nabs-l mailing list
> > > nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> > > http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Dec 15 04:16:29 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 04:16:29 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Looking for a math book for college for a friend
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB0964721563BB35598EE7559FCEEE0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Hello, I'm looking for an math book for a friend for college. The name of the book will be below. If you have any ways of getting this book, are you have a copy of it please write me so that I can get you in touch with him.

Mathematical ideas by Miller ,Heeren, Hornsby and Heeren 13th Edition
Si
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 04:38:52 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:38:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Punctuation Symbols
Message-ID: <566f995e.c9493c0a.9f6a7.ffffa514@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am starting to learn the UEB code.  I understand most of the 
contraction changes, but I know that there are some modifications 
to the punctuation, like parentheses.
Could anyone please tell me what the new punctuation symbols are?
Thanks,
Vejas


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 04:52:20 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 20:52:20 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Punctuation Symbols
Message-ID: <566f9ca3.c25a420a.4aceb.ffffa923@mx.google.com>

I can send you the overview of ueb changles from my VI teacher 
can I do that?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:38:52 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] UEB Punctuation Symbols

Hi All,
I am starting to learn the UEB code.  I understand most of the
contraction changes, but I know that there are some modifications
to the punctuation, like parentheses.
Could anyone please tell me what the new punctuation symbols are?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 08:29:43 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 03:29:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions Ab Using an IPad for School Purposes!
Message-ID: <E209E8CD-8AA2-4D9C-B3FA-EF1F908EFB28@gmail.com>



HHi all! How are you all? Next semester I will be reading a lot of readings where I need to be able to find specific pages and copying and pasting texts and so on. My question is, is it possible to perform all these commands in an iPad guys? I'm just wondering since I'm thinking in asking my disability office of my  school to  lend me an iPad device in order to read my books guys! My school will provide me with either the word file or PDF file of the books or readings with their  corresponding print pages. And in ordr to read my books and ratings, I will also like to connect my Braille not display to it guys. So do you think I will be able to to copy and paste text from a document to pages and then save the pages file and be able to send it as an to my email as an attachment? I'm just wondering! I really will like your feedback and opinion regarding this matter since I'm going ot have my appointment with my advisor on Wednesday at 3:30 PM , Link, in order to discuss this matter! And before I forget, also is it possible to perform a find command in the iPad  in ordr to find texts? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!elga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From blindgeek1989 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 13:47:19 2015
From: blindgeek1989 at gmail.com (Aaron)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 08:47:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions Ab Using an IPad for School Purposes!
In-Reply-To: <E209E8CD-8AA2-4D9C-B3FA-EF1F908EFB28@gmail.com>
References: <E209E8CD-8AA2-4D9C-B3FA-EF1F908EFB28@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <14DA09A6-E038-4FFE-A9B8-2E88185E75A0@gmail.com>

Yes it is possible, my iPad is my main computer. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson 
Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Dec 15, 2015, at 3:29 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> HHi all! How are you all? Next semester I will be reading a lot of readings where I need to be able to find specific pages and copying and pasting texts and so on. My question is, is it possible to perform all these commands in an iPad guys? I'm just wondering since I'm thinking in asking my disability office of my  school to  lend me an iPad device in order to read my books guys! My school will provide me with either the word file or PDF file of the books or readings with their  corresponding print pages. And in ordr to read my books and ratings, I will also like to connect my Braille not display to it guys. So do you think I will be able to to copy and paste text from a document to pages and then save the pages file and be able to send it as an to my email as an attachment? I'm just wondering! I really will like your feedback and opinion regarding this matter since I'm going ot have my appointment with my advisor on Wednesday at 3:30 PM , Link, in order to discuss this matter! And before I forget, also is it possible to perform a find command in the iPad  in ordr to find texts? I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!elga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 14:03:11 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:03:11 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Questions Ab Using an IPad for School Purposes!
In-Reply-To: <14DA09A6-E038-4FFE-A9B8-2E88185E75A0@gmail.com>
References: <E209E8CD-8AA2-4D9C-B3FA-EF1F908EFB28@gmail.com>
	<14DA09A6-E038-4FFE-A9B8-2E88185E75A0@gmail.com>
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Just make sure you are proficient with windows based programs because most
jobs are still windows based. 
Justin
-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Aaron via
nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 8:47 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Aaron <blindgeek1989 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Questions Ab Using an IPad for School Purposes!

Yes it is possible, my iPad is my main computer. 

Thanks,
Aaron Linson
Do what you love, the money will follow.

> On Dec 15, 2015, at 3:29 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> HHi all! How are you all? Next semester I will be reading a lot of 
> readings where I need to be able to find specific pages and copying 
> and pasting texts and so on. My question is, is it possible to perform 
> all these commands in an iPad guys? I'm just wondering since I'm 
> thinking in asking my disability office of my  school to  lend me an 
> iPad device in order to read my books guys! My school will provide me 
> with either the word file or PDF file of the books or readings with 
> their  corresponding print pages. And in ordr to read my books and 
> ratings, I will also like to connect my Braille not display to it 
> guys. So do you think I will be able to to copy and paste text from a 
> document to pages and then save the pages file and be able to send it 
> as an to my email as an attachment? I'm just wondering! I really will 
> like your feedback and opinion regarding this matter since I'm going 
> ot have my appointment with my advisor on Wednesday at 3:30 PM , Link, 
> in order to discuss this matter! And before I forget, also is it 
> possible to perform a find command in the iPad  in ordr to find texts? 
> I look forward in hearing from you soon. Thanks and God bless!elga 
> Schreiber
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of
Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com
> Skype: helga.schreiber26
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that 
> whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 
> 3:16 Sent from my iPhone 
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From bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu  Tue Dec 15 19:30:47 2015
From: bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu (LeJeune, B.J.)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 19:30:47 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] FW: Employment Opportunities
In-Reply-To: <593C3834CB62304E9322F9D584E2E3580F30E211@CABVIEXCH.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL>
References: <593C3834CB62304E9322F9D584E2E3580F30E211@CABVIEXCH.CINCYBLIND.LOCAL>
Message-ID: <7ba444ecca2c41599cf762b2e05ec45d@mail03.ad.msstate.edu>

This looks like a great employment opportunity if anyone is interested...

BJ


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B. J. LeJeune, CRC, CVRT
National Research and Training Center
on Blindness and Low Vision
P. O. Box 6189
Mississippi State, MS  39762

P:  662-325-2694
F:  662-325-8989

bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu<mailto:bjlejeune at colled.msstate.edu>
www.blind.msstate.edu<http://www.blind.msstate.edu/>




From: ed-nrtc-request at lists.msstate.edu [mailto:ed-nrtc-request at lists.msstate.edu] On Behalf Of Chuck Geiger
Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 1:21 PM
To: Ed-NRTC <Ed-NRTC at lists.msstate.edu>
Subject: [ed-nrtc] Employment Opportunities

Good afternoon,

I recently began working as a Recruiter with Cincinnati Association for the Blind & Visually Impaired.  I am focusing on the recruitment of mission-related talent, individuals who are legally blind.  We are currently recruiting for our Contract Closeout Specialist position located at our Dayton (WPAFB) and Columbus (DLA) offices.  I attached a job description for your review and you can also view a short video regarding this position by clicking on the Employment link on our website: www.cincyblind.org<http://www.cincyblind.org>

Here is additional information to share with your consumers that was presented by Kevin Lynch, President and CEO of NIB: "AbiltyOne CMS Contract Closeout Specialists and Contract Clerks provide administrative services that are not inherently governmental functions.  They review open federal contracts, verify government receipt and acceptance, identify any funds that should be de-obligated, scan and index contract documents.  At the end of these processes, they deliver "ready-to-close" contracts back to federal agencies.  Contract Management Services (CMS) specialists provide critical support to government contracting offices and free up time for federal government employees to focus on critical, inherently governmental contracting functions.  To date, CMS CCS have processed and delivered for sign-off more than 238,000 contracts and identified nearly $840 million in de-obligated funds that could have been processed through the procurement system.  Eight NIB associated nonprofit agencies across the country participate in the AbilityOne CMS program, operating either in a secure facility at the agency's location, or on-site at the customer's location.  The CMS Program enables people who are blind to build meaningful careers and support themselves and their families. The positions are professional-level jobs with good pay and benefits - wages are typically $17 - $21 per hour - and the potential for career growth."

Please forward this employment opportunity to your contacts.

I look forward to hearing back from you soon.


Happy Holidays!

Chuck Geiger
Recruiter
Tel:   513-487-4248
Fax:  513-221-2995
Cell:  513-708-5571
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From carlymih at comcast.net  Tue Dec 15 19:51:57 2015
From: carlymih at comcast.net (Carly Mihalakis)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 11:51:57 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Learning sign language
In-Reply-To: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
References: <54172519.cb39440a.72ba.1d43@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.234.1772982281.2863824.nabs-l_nfbnet.org@nfbnet.org>

Afternoon, Marissa,

You are not alone my sister for I've always been quite intrigued by 
the idea of communicating through one's touch. However, where you 
cite downloadables and other such resources, instead I like the idea 
of a real-live deaf person teaching me.At 09:42 AM 9/15/2014, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
>So, this may sound odd, but I want to learn sign language.  Are 
>their any good resources that I can download, or listen to, that 
>will teach a blind person sign language?
>
>
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From suzannegirl25 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 15 21:26:17 2015
From: suzannegirl25 at gmail.com (Joanne Michelle Stark)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:26:17 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] flowcharts
Message-ID: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>

Greetings, NABS members. I hope this message finds you all well, minus the stress of studying for final exams before Christmas. 
I have flowcharts attached to a final exam for introductory psychology. What are some ways you or your past TVI's have made such graphs accessible? I can't read them with a Braille display. they are only there as a reminder of material we've gone over so they might not be that important for answering the questions to which they pertain, but all the same, I'd like to have feedback on this matter so I can be better prepared for these kinds of things if they show up next semester. How soon should the exams be given to student services accessibility staff if any of your ideas are to be implemented? staff want to make sure the exam is ready and fully accessible for me to take it at the same time as other students, in this case, nearly two days from now.
I have this same professor again for The Psychology of Death and dying. No, I'm told the course is not as morbid as it sounds. Any and all suggestions are welcome. He has never had a blind student before me, and I have never had to explain how best to handle situations like this to anyone before. thanks.

From kestomberg at coe.edu  Tue Dec 15 21:31:37 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 15:31:37 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] flowcharts
In-Reply-To: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>
References: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY5oU=tYsVRQ2Ltx=r4u=42xeTtRPRZ5gRy3FQVkEpY4tQ@mail.gmail.com>

Your professor should be able to put the information in a list format. That
way, you get the info, but not the visual aspects of it. Does that make
sense?

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 3:26 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Greetings, NABS members. I hope this message finds you all well, minus the
> stress of studying for final exams before Christmas.
> I have flowcharts attached to a final exam for introductory psychology.
> What are some ways you or your past TVI's have made such graphs accessible?
> I can't read them with a Braille display. they are only there as a reminder
> of material we've gone over so they might not be that important for
> answering the questions to which they pertain, but all the same, I'd like
> to have feedback on this matter so I can be better prepared for these kinds
> of things if they show up next semester. How soon should the exams be given
> to student services accessibility staff if any of your ideas are to be
> implemented? staff want to make sure the exam is ready and fully accessible
> for me to take it at the same time as other students, in this case, nearly
> two days from now.
> I have this same professor again for The Psychology of Death and dying.
> No, I'm told the course is not as morbid as it sounds. Any and all
> suggestions are welcome. He has never had a blind student before me, and I
> have never had to explain how best to handle situations like this to anyone
> before. thanks.
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From todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 16 04:05:42 2015
From: todd.orlowski11 at gmail.com (Todd Orlowski)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 22:05:42 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] flowcharts
In-Reply-To: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>
References: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5670E316.7000601@gmail.com>

If he can bring the flow chart to the accessibility resource center at 
your University they should be able to do it. Or he can make it in a 
list format. However your resource office should be able to do something 
for you in regards to accessibility.

Take Care
Todd

On 12/15/2015 3:26 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l wrote:
> Greetings, NABS members. I hope this message finds you all well, minus the stress of studying for final exams before Christmas.
> I have flowcharts attached to a final exam for introductory psychology. What are some ways you or your past TVI's have made such graphs accessible? I can't read them with a Braille display. they are only there as a reminder of material we've gone over so they might not be that important for answering the questions to which they pertain, but all the same, I'd like to have feedback on this matter so I can be better prepared for these kinds of things if they show up next semester. How soon should the exams be given to student services accessibility staff if any of your ideas are to be implemented? staff want to make sure the exam is ready and fully accessible for me to take it at the same time as other students, in this case, nearly two days from now.
> I have this same professor again for The Psychology of Death and dying. No, I'm told the course is not as morbid as it sounds. Any and all suggestions are welcome. He has never had a blind student before me, and I have never had to explain how best to handle situations like this to anyone before. thanks.
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From kestomberg at coe.edu  Wed Dec 16 05:22:11 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 23:22:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] flowcharts
In-Reply-To: <5670E316.7000601@gmail.com>
References: <993C121E-6A51-48EC-BAD5-E14A4C546623@gmail.com>
	<5670E316.7000601@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY7ynqsiEO2hVR50phAv++qjFtTqp8EZsCrv2V=6jegYUA@mail.gmail.com>

Joanne,

Sorry for the delay in my response!
Anyway, the way I understand flow charts is that there is information at
the top, and then an arrow that points to the next thing on the chart. Your
professor or Disability Services Office should be able to take these more
visual parts of the chart out, and re-format it so that it would look like
a list for you. Then you would have a list rather than a
chart with arrows, and who knows what other weird visual things that
sighted folks manage to conjure up.


Some flow-charts are used to explain a process. In this case, the list
could be numbered.
For example:
1.  Energy goes from the sun to the plant.
2.  The animal eats the plant, and it gains energy.
(Sorry for the weird example, I just thought I needed to clarifn more.)

It sounds as though the flow-charts for this class are mostly
information, rather than illustrations of a process. It also sounds
like your professor wants to help you. That's fantastic, because that
isn't always the case!

Good luck on your finals!
Kennedy Stomberg

On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 10:05 PM, Todd Orlowski via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> If he can bring the flow chart to the accessibility resource center at
> your University they should be able to do it. Or he can make it in a list
> format. However your resource office should be able to do something for you
> in regards to accessibility.
>
> Take Care
> Todd
>
> On 12/15/2015 3:26 PM, Joanne Michelle Stark via nabs-l wrote:
>
>> Greetings, NABS members. I hope this message finds you all well, minus
>> the stress of studying for final exams before Christmas.
>> I have flowcharts attached to a final exam for introductory psychology.
>> What are some ways you or your past TVI's have made such graphs accessible?
>> I can't read them with a Braille display. they are only there as a reminder
>> of material we've gone over so they might not be that important for
>> answering the questions to which they pertain, but all the same, I'd like
>> to have feedback on this matter so I can be better prepared for these kinds
>> of things if they show up next semester. How soon should the exams be given
>> to student services accessibility staff if any of your ideas are to be
>> implemented? staff want to make sure the exam is ready and fully accessible
>> for me to take it at the same time as other students, in this case, nearly
>> two days from now.
>> I have this same professor again for The Psychology of Death and dying.
>> No, I'm told the course is not as morbid as it sounds. Any and all
>> suggestions are welcome. He has never had a blind student before me, and I
>> have never had to explain how best to handle situations like this to anyone
>> before. thanks.
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
>> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> http://nfbnet.org/mailman/listinfo/nabs-l_nfbnet.org
>> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
>> nabs-l:
>>
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>>
>
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From dandrews at visi.com  Thu Dec 17 02:38:19 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Wed, 16 Dec 2015 20:38:19 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Fwd: [duxnews] Announcing DBT 11.3 SR1
Message-ID: <auto-000045586272@mailfront1.g2host.com>


>
>Dear Duxnews and Duxuser listers,
>
>Our next service release, DBT 11.3 SR1 (build date 2015-12-4), has 
>been released.
>
>DBT 11.3 sr1 is now shipping and available on the Web for download.
>
>Those with existing licenses can use Help/Check for Updates 
>(Alt-H-U) to check if their licenses are within the eligibility 
>period for receiving DBT 11.3 SR1 as a free update. Those eligible 
>for 11.3 are eligible for 11.3 sr1. Those with licenses outside of 
>the eligibility period can run DBT 11.3 SR1 as a time-limited trial 
>for up to 45 days. If you have questions or need an update quotation 
>please contact your dealer or info at duxsys.com.
>
>DBT 11.3 SR1 can also be downloaded from this web page:
>
>http://www.duxburysystems.com/update.htm
>
>Here is a list of what's new since DBT 11.3:
>
>Math Improvements:
>
>-- The LaTeX importer handles additional LaTeX commands including 
>the \newcommand operator with parameters (for macros). It now 
>handles null text segments without error.
>-- The LaTeX and Word importers, as well as DBT translation, are 
>improved so that for Nemeth math within UEB, the commands 
>[[*idle~ptims*]] and [[*idle~ptime*]] set up a document section 
>where even the text outside of technical notation continues to use 
>Nemeth Code conventions. In this section the braille continues to 
>use Nemeth style punctuation, and now makes correct use of the 
>letter sign, as in the labels for problem sets.
>-- In UEB braille with Nemeth Code, the translated line display is 
>no longer garbled by the first instance of Nemeth code.
>
>Transcription Improvements for UEB (Unified English Braille):
>
>-- The UEB print-to-braille table now implements the preferred 
>capitals treatment for the case of three successive initials.
>-- The bana_uk.mws file now uses the DBT "para" style rather than 
>"B-BodyText."
>-- The translator no longer prevents certain contractions from being 
>used before an at-sign (@), as in email addresses.
>-- DBT chooses better line breaks for braille lines with long URL's 
>and long numbers.
>-- The default page numbering in the UEB/UK Formatting Template and 
>the Cymraeg (Welsh) template now matches UK standards.
>
>Transcription Improvements for Pre-UEB:
>
>-- The American English translator now renders dots 456, 256 for the 
>Unicode bullet character (U+2022).
>-- The BANA templates for Pre-UEB formats now include the "math" and 
>"math-TextInMath" styles.
>
>Functions Restored:
>
>-- When importing a Word document, DBT once again removes excess sk1 
>codes before/after pg codes.
>-- Importing DBT hard space markup from XML processing instruction 
>markup has been restored.
>-- The correct page numbering behavior for UK braille has been restored.
>-- DBT again supports the Formats 2011 system for underlining.
>
>A Variety of Other Improvements:
>
>-- DBT is now optimized to import all files more quickly.
>-- The mws files have been modified to handle the Word style "Normal 
>(web)" exactly like "Normal".
>-- We have increased the number of Word styles that are mapped to 
>DBT in the dbt.mws file.
>-- There is a new feature in the Global View Options dialog to "Show 
>line numbers in formatted braille".
>-- We have fixed many problems with the translated line display and 
>interline print.
>-- The translated line display does a better job handling assisted 
>hyphens and hard spaces.
>-- Many table formatting issues have been fixed.
>
>Language Table Improvements:
>
>This release includes one complete new language table (Ingush) as 
>well as fixes to nine other tables. Here is a small sampling:
>
>-- Refreshable braille devices may now serve as screen access tools 
>for DBT in Russian and Mongolian for both JAWS and NVDA.
>-- The Cantonese translator restores the ability to mix Cantonese 
>and English.
>-- The Farsi translator handles numbers rendered in traditional 
>non-Arabic style.
>-- Updates to: Arabic, Biblical Languages, Danish, Finnish, Russian, 
>and Serbian.
>
>For a more detailed list, see http://www.duxburysystems.com/update.htm.
>
>Regards to all,
>
>Joe Sullivan
>
>President, Duxbury Systems, Inc.
>
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From zdreicer at gmail.com  Thu Dec 17 07:28:14 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 00:28:14 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book itinerary
	for more than 1 passenger
Message-ID: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>

Hello,
   I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
Sent from Windows Mail
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From colorado.students at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 01:46:24 2015
From: colorado.students at gmail.com (colorado.students at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 18:46:24 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Accessible web conferencing platform
Message-ID: <!&!AAAAAAAAAAAYAAAAAAAAAGbnxAsWrgJClo4Mc4yL9QhCgQAAEAAAAAAjcLe019RJrBnJP0ONfSUBAAAAAA==@gmail.com>

Hello to all hope that the holiday season has started now that school is
over.  I hope that someone is able to help me with making suggestions on an
accessible web conferencing platform for me to use for demoing a piece of
software.  To keep the traffic down on the list serve I can be reached
offline at rozierantonio at gmail.com.


From bre.brown24 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 02:56:29 2015
From: bre.brown24 at gmail.com (Bre Brown)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:56:29 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] New blog post on the NABS website
Message-ID: <CACXqA0qibhhaUgCGqx5Yz0vJzsJbYNRSdvDwmwHbVUSzL9UTsA@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I hope your semester is wrapping up well. Now that finals are over,
begin your break by reading our newest blog from NABS.
As many of you may know, we held our student legislative workshop in
conjunction with the NFB of Connecticut convention. In this blog, you
will find the perspective of two of our attendees.
http://nabslink.org/content/leading-lives-through-laws-reflections-our-students

Have a happy holiday
Thanks
Bre brown
Second Vice president, National Association of Blind Students


From arielle71 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 04:21:30 2015
From: arielle71 at gmail.com (Arielle Silverman)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 20:21:30 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
 itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
Message-ID: <CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
Best, Arielle

On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello,
>    I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
> windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
> said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
> get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
> confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
> reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
> pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
> app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
> to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
> Sent from Windows Mail


From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 06:23:55 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 23:23:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
	itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
	<CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>

That is a good question… I know the phone number for customer relations, do you think that would do it? Or would it be someone else? Though it isn't in my vocational goal, I'd be glad to help them out by beta testing their website and providing excess ability feedback if it would help them, if anyone near here knows how to get in touch with them please tell them I said so.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 21:21, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
> visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
> not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
> solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
> Best, Arielle
> 
>> On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hello,
>>   I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
>> windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
>> said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
>> get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
>> confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
>> reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
>> pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
>> app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
>> to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
>> Sent from Windows Mail
> 
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Fri Dec 18 06:34:58 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:34:58 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
 itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
	<CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>

Zach, yes I would definitely take it to the customer relations. That would definitely be able to point you in the right direction as to where to report those issues.
Joseph Hudson
Email
jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
I device support
Telephone
2543007667
Skype
joseph.hudson89 facebook
https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
Twitter
https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
FaceTime/iMessage
jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>

On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

That is a good question… I know the phone number for customer relations, do you think that would do it? Or would it be someone else? Though it isn't in my vocational goal, I'd be glad to help them out by beta testing their website and providing excess ability feedback if it would help them, if anyone near here knows how to get in touch with them please tell them I said so.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

On Dec 17, 2015, at 21:21, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
Best, Arielle

On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
Hello,
 I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
Sent from Windows Mail

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From bendallin at outlook.com  Fri Dec 18 06:46:48 2015
From: bendallin at outlook.com (Ben Dallin)
Date: Thu, 17 Dec 2015 22:46:48 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
 itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>,
	<CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>,
	<013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>,
	<BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <BLU183-W670CACC3B3FF120ED7AF99B7E10@phx.gbl>

I think there is a way around this problem, though it's not the most intuitive. Jaws announces that the edit box to select number of passengers is read only. Activate it anyway and type the number you want. It will probably throw you down to the bottom of the page, and there is a dialog that shows the number you typed. If you go back up to the number of passengers edit box, it should have retained the number you typed and you should be good to go.
Hope this helps. It works for me with no problems once I figured out you could type in that edit box.
Ben Dallin
 

 
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:34:58 +0000
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book itinerary for more than 1 passenger
> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> CC: jhud7789 at outlook.com
> 
> Zach, yes I would definitely take it to the customer relations. That would definitely be able to point you in the right direction as to where to report those issues.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
> 
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> That is a good question… I know the phone number for customer relations, do you think that would do it? Or would it be someone else? Though it isn't in my vocational goal, I'd be glad to help them out by beta testing their website and providing excess ability feedback if it would help them, if anyone near here knows how to get in touch with them please tell them I said so.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 17, 2015, at 21:21, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
> visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
> not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
> solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
> Best, Arielle
> 
> On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello,
>  I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
> windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
> said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
> get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
> confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
> reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
> pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
> app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
> to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
> Sent from Windows Mail
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 07:40:02 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:40:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
	itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
	<CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>
	<BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <04CBCC15-8223-4D2C-B568-7AA08AC4B1A1@gmail.com>

Thanks anywhere else? Will you do it too? Hope you're doing good amigo 

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 23:34, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Zach, yes I would definitely take it to the customer relations. That would definitely be able to point you in the right direction as to where to report those issues.
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
> 
> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> That is a good question… I know the phone number for customer relations, do you think that would do it? Or would it be someone else? Though it isn't in my vocational goal, I'd be glad to help them out by beta testing their website and providing excess ability feedback if it would help them, if anyone near here knows how to get in touch with them please tell them I said so.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 17, 2015, at 21:21, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
> visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
> not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
> solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
> Best, Arielle
> 
> On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> Hello,
> I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
> windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
> said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
> get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
> confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
> reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
> pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
> app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
> to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
> Sent from Windows Mail
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 07:41:48 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 00:41:48 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book
	itinerary for more than 1 passenger
In-Reply-To: <BLU183-W670CACC3B3FF120ED7AF99B7E10@phx.gbl>
References: <22E9C09793A346E3AEAC684771346BE2@ZachPC>
	<CALAYQJC8P6ypzVLnv7T=hi2rEUUn+-SsA1A5UKsr8r0jV=hJ2g@mail.gmail.com>
	<013C7D72-4198-4FA5-A902-AE78989F0C0F@gmail.com>
	<BN3PR1201MB0964B2E3178F455BC54878F7CEE10@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
	<BLU183-W670CACC3B3FF120ED7AF99B7E10@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <F0B77059-CC59-4101-828B-71C65B2A5323@gmail.com>

Never thought of that will try it thanks 

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 17, 2015, at 23:46, Ben Dallin via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I think there is a way around this problem, though it's not the most intuitive. Jaws announces that the edit box to select number of passengers is read only. Activate it anyway and type the number you want. It will probably throw you down to the bottom of the page, and there is a dialog that shows the number you typed. If you go back up to the number of passengers edit box, it should have retained the number you typed and you should be good to go.
> Hope this helps. It works for me with no problems once I figured out you could type in that edit box.
> Ben Dallin
> 
> 
> 
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 06:34:58 +0000
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Having issues accessing southwest.com to book itinerary for more than 1 passenger
>> From: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> CC: jhud7789 at outlook.com
>> 
>> Zach, yes I would definitely take it to the customer relations. That would definitely be able to point you in the right direction as to where to report those issues.
>> Joseph Hudson
>> Email
>> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
>> I device support
>> Telephone
>> 2543007667
>> Skype
>> joseph.hudson89 facebook
>> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
>> Twitter
>> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
>> FaceTime/iMessage
>> jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
>> 
>> On Dec 18, 2015, at 12:23 AM, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is a good question… I know the phone number for customer relations, do you think that would do it? Or would it be someone else? Though it isn't in my vocational goal, I'd be glad to help them out by beta testing their website and providing excess ability feedback if it would help them, if anyone near here knows how to get in touch with them please tell them I said so.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>> On Dec 17, 2015, at 21:21, Arielle Silverman via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Zachary, I've had the exact same problem. Apparently there is a
>> visual arrow that has to be moved to the right from 1 to 2, and it's
>> not accessible. I am very interested to know if others have found a
>> solution, or if not, who at Southwest we should contact.
>> Best, Arielle
>> 
>> On 12/16/15, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am trying to book an itinerary for multiple passengers on my boot camp
>> windows 10 running JFW17 latest with Southwest. The website instructions
>> said to use the arrows to change number of passengers but I cannot seem to
>> get it off of 1, and I want all passengers on this itinerary on the same
>> confirmation number. Additionally in past, I thought I remember a screen
>> reader mode on southwest website but can’t find it now. I have my macbook
>> pro side of this machine but haven’t tried that with VoiceOver or the iPhone
>> app. Can anyone replicate this issue? If so how is the issue can be reported
>> to the airline? Thank you! Happy holidays!
>> Sent from Windows Mail
>> 
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From internetradioentertainer at gmail.com  Fri Dec 18 09:00:24 2015
From: internetradioentertainer at gmail.com (David Dunphy)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 04:00:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Meet Jessica Bachicha JP Williams And More On The
 InnerVisions Radio December 20 Radiothon
Message-ID: <CAMjrC+ySovvtNtzEFrNT_v9ctoU13t3F_7eS5EE9qQcdLRi9jw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello All!
Well, the subject says it all. I will be interviewing both Jessica
Victoria A K A Jessica Bachicha
http://www.jessicabachicha.com
and JP Williams
http://www.jpwilliams.net
two very talented blind musicians as part of my 24 hour Radiothon
Special to raise money for St Jude Children's Research Hospital on
December 20, 2015. This show will also feature an interview with the
Sing Off second place finishers, Voiceplay, as well as my traditional
holiday party as part of this exciting 24 hour event to raise money
for an incredible cause.

This show will start at 9 PM pacific on December 19 (10 mountain, 11
Central, midnight eastern) and go for a full 24 hours featuring
Great Christmas music
My traditional holiday special
Patient stories and information on St Jude, including the charity's work
These two interviews with these talented musicians as part of the in
show entertainment
And more..

Now rather than make this a long drawn out email, I'm going to point
out a few quick points, and if you are interested in a more detailed
explanation of events, including the kind of work St Jude does to help
young children with cancer, a web site will be included for that at
the end of the email:

1. If you are interested in helping us to raise money for St Jude, visit
http://www.inner-visions.org/campaigns/stjude/donate
where you can donate online using your Paypal account or any of the
major credit cards. The fund raiser closes at midnight eastern on the
morning of December 21, but if there's demand, we may leave the
donation page up longer, but that isn't likely. But we'll see.
2. To listen to the InnerVisions Radio stream to hear these
interviews, or any or all of this exciting holiday radiothon, either
tune in from the TuneIn Radio page at
http://tunein.com/radio/InnerVisions-Radio-s258530/

Search for
InnerVisions Radio on the tuneIn app
or tune in on your computer at
http://djdrocks.online
where options for listening with players like Winamp, Media Player,
etc are included too.
3. If you want to record a holiday greeting that will be played
throughout the radiothon, please call
832-999-8110
Or provide me a dropbox file link or attach one and email
djd at inner-visions.org
These holiday greetings will be played throughout the 24 hour event.
4. Be sure to add
ivrnetwork
to your skypes and twitters to interact during the show.
5. To get complete details on the entire event, including interview
schedules once they're finalized, visit
http://djdrocks.online/stjude

And as always, you can email me with any questions at
djd at inner-visions.org
rather than clultter up the list with them.

This is the first time I've done a 24 hour radiothon, and I'm very
excited about helping a good cause, while bringing some Christmas
cheer around, too, so I hope you'll join me for this festive day of
magic, good will, and fun!

See you there!
Happy holidays!
>From David Dunphy


From mausbun at unr.edu  Fri Dec 18 22:27:26 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 22:27:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader: Make the Print Yours this Holiday Season for
	$74.99!
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0126C9C3@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Houdy Nabsters!
Make the print your gift this Christmas with KNFB Reader. KNFB Reader is a mobile app that converts printed text into high quality speech to provide accurate, fast, and efficient access to both single- and multiple-page documents with the tap of a button. Make the print yours and live the life you want! The app is available for iOS and Android devices. From December 21, 2015, through January 4, 2016, you can purchase KNFB Reader for $74.99, 25% off the store price.
Giving KNFB Reader as a gift is easy! You can obtain iTunes or Google Play gift cards at many local retailers such as Target or Walmart, or online at Amazon.com. To redeem iTunes gift cards, open the App Store, scroll down to the bottom of the page under ”Featured,” and choose “Redeem.” You will need to sign in using your Apple ID, and then you will be prompted to use your phone’s camera to photograph the bar code on the gift card, or enter the redemption code from the card manually. To redeem a Google Play gift card, choose the Navigation button in the upper left corner, then scroll down and choose ”Redeem,” and enter the redemption code located on the Google Play gift card.
You can gift KNFB Reader iOS directly to someone by opening the App Store, and searching for KNFB Reader.  Once you find the app, select the “Share” button at the top of the screen near the “Back” button, then choose that and then choose “Gift.” This will bring up a screen for you to enter the recipient’s email address (you will need to use the email address they have linked to their Apple ID). Then you may choose to add a message and set the date to send your gift.
Why use this app? KNFB Reader is an easy, fast, accurate, and efficient text recognition mobile app that delivers near instantaneous results. Tired of being unsure what’s been charged to your credit card? Want to know who sent you that package? Need nutritional information from a food label? Find a book that’s not available on NLS?  Buy a new appliance and want to access the user’s manual? KNFB Reader is your go-to:  it has reading modes for books, articles, labels, bills, and memos. Worried about getting a good photo of your text as a blind person? KNFB Reader provides a field of view report and tilt guidance for more accurate capturing of print in the photograph, as well as automatic text detection. You’ll get the right photo; KNFB Reader will help you. The app allows for high quality digital output to speech or connected Braille displays. The scanned material can be imported as a .jpg or .pdf, or exported in .txt and .html formats. Not much space on your phone? No problem. Use cloud storage for your files via Dropbox or Google Drive! The app also has a batch scan mode to process and read multiple-page documents such as manuals or books. Don’t let print be out of your reach ever again.
To purchase KNFB Reader, visit www.nfb.org/knfbreader. Make the print yours and live the life you want!
Happy Holidays from your KNFB Reader Team.
Michael Ausbun
KNFB Liaison for Nevada


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 00:42:01 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Fri, 18 Dec 2015 18:42:01 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Dell Latitude Speaker Issues
Message-ID: <5674a7e1.08d50d0a.a940d.64f6@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I recently received a Dell Latitude laptop from my Department of 
Rehab.  It works perfectly except for one problem.  There is 
something wrong with the speaker.  It's not  noticeable at first.  
As you turn the volume up on Jaws or NVDA, there is a background 
noise from the speaker that sounds very staticky.  My computer 
teacher at LCB says it's not normal.
My question is, is this going to be a long process to fix? 
Luckily I have two weeks of break that I can go home, but I would 
like to know if I could just go to a store, or if it needs to be 
sent in.
Thanks.
Vejas


From ligne14 at verizon.net  Sat Dec 19 13:09:50 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 09:09:50 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader: Make the Print Yours this Holiday Season
 for$74.99!
Message-ID: <0NZL00LXTZCGM500@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net>

Michael,

Thank=20you=20so=20much=20for=20sharing=20that=20information=20with=20us!=20=
I've=20been=20
waiting=20to=20purchase=20that=20app=20since=20forever!=20I've=20been=20ask=
ing=20my=20
parents=20and=20uncle=20for=20it=20as=20a=20Christmas=20gift,
so=20hopefully=20I=20will=20receive=20it=20this=20time=20around.=20=20It's=
=20really=20
nice=20to=20know=20that=20you=20can=20purchase=20it=20for=2025=20off=20star=
ting=20Monday!=20
That=20way,=20if=20one=20of=20my=20family=20members=20hasn't=20already=20go=
t=20it=20for=20
me,=20then=20they=20won't=20have=20to=20spend=20all=20the=20money.=20=20I'm=
=20really=20
looking=20forward=20to=20getting=20it,=20because,=20as=20you=20so=20accurat=
ely=20
state,=20we=20can=20"let=20the=20print=20become=20ours,"=20which=20of=20cou=
rse=20is=20
really=20cool!=20We=20can=20now=20have=20a=20easy,=20convenient=20way=20of=
=20reading=20
print=20materials=20without=20the=20need=20of=20waiting=20for=20assistance=
=20from=20a=20
sighted=20person.=20=20As=20we=20all=20like=20to=20say,=20"It=20doesn't=20m=
atter=20how=20we=20
do=20it.=20=20However=20we=20do=20it,=20we'll=20always=20get=20it=20done!=20=
If=20one=20way=20
doesn't=20work,=20find=20an=20alternative."

Thanks=20again=20Michael=20for=20sharing=20this=20information,=20and=20happ=
y=20
holidays=20everyone.

Sami
=20-----=20Original=20Message=20-----
From:=20Michael=20D=20Ausbun=20via=20nabs-l=20<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To:=20National=20Association=20of=20Blind=20Students=20mailing=20list=20
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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Holiday=20
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=20set=20the=20date=20
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=20the=20
print=20yours=20and=20live=20the=20life=20you=20want!
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Michael=20Ausbun
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 17:06:14 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 12:06:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ringtone MakerQuestion!
Message-ID: <2B9229E6-3FDD-49B1-84CB-850F4991EE20@gmail.com>

Hi all! how are you all? Do anyone here use ringtone maker? If you do, how do I save the ringtone in order to have it on my ringtone choices on my iPhone? I'm just wondering since I already created the ringtone and I have it as an email attachment,and I can listen to it, but I want to have it on my iPhone. I'm having some difficulties in creating my own ringtone. Do you guys have any idea how to do it with a Mac computer?  II will really appreciate any  help with this guys!! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! 

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

From johnniejduran at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 17:23:01 2015
From: johnniejduran at gmail.com (Johnnie Jean Duran)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 10:23:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Ringtone MakerQuestion!
In-Reply-To: <2B9229E6-3FDD-49B1-84CB-850F4991EE20@gmail.com>
References: <2B9229E6-3FDD-49B1-84CB-850F4991EE20@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3BF3F6AE-8C2A-497B-8B4E-BF03BA08CBA4@gmail.com>

Hi
You have to use a computer, download the attachment and import it through iTunes

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi all! how are you all? Do anyone here use ringtone maker? If you do, how do I save the ringtone in order to have it on my ringtone choices on my iPhone? I'm just wondering since I already created the ringtone and I have it as an email attachment,and I can listen to it, but I want to have it on my iPhone. I'm having some difficulties in creating my own ringtone. Do you guys have any idea how to do it with a Mac computer?  II will really appreciate any  help with this guys!! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
> 
> Helga Schreiber 
> 
> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
> 
> "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
> Sent from my iPhone 
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 20:53:40 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 15:53:40 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ringtone MakerQuestion!
In-Reply-To: <3BF3F6AE-8C2A-497B-8B4E-BF03BA08CBA4@gmail.com>
References: <2B9229E6-3FDD-49B1-84CB-850F4991EE20@gmail.com>
	<3BF3F6AE-8C2A-497B-8B4E-BF03BA08CBA4@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A98B4AD7-7C6F-4C30-A1A5-12B15C9A336D@gmail.com>

Hi all! I just wanted to ask you,  Can anyone here give me step by step in how to create a ringtone with the ringtone maker app,and then be able to imported to iTunes using my Mac computer  in order to synch it on my iPhone ringtones? I am just wondering since I need to do it from my Mac computer,and I'm a brand new Mac computer user  since I just got it on August. And my Windows computer is not working so great with my iTunes!! And this is the first time  that I use this app! I will really appreciate it. A lot! If you could help me with this guys! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

Helga Schreiber 

Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
Skype: helga.schreiber26 
4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 

"For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life." John 3:16 
Sent from my iPhone 

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:23 PM, Johnnie Jean Duran via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> You have to use a computer, download the attachment and import it through iTunes
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 10:06 AM, Helga Schreiber via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all! how are you all? Do anyone here use ringtone maker? If you do, how do I save the ringtone in order to have it on my ringtone choices on my iPhone? I'm just wondering since I already created the ringtone and I have it as an email attachment,and I can listen to it, but I want to have it on my iPhone. I'm having some difficulties in creating my own ringtone. Do you guys have any idea how to do it with a Mac computer?  II will really appreciate any  help with this guys!! I look forward in hearing form you soon. Thanks and God bless! 
>> 
>> Helga Schreiber 
>> 
>> Member of National Federation of the Blind and Florida Association of Blind Students.
>> Member of the International Networkers Team (INT).
>> Independent Entrepreneur of the Company 4Life Research.
>> Phone:  (561) 706-5950 
>> Email: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com 
>> Skype: helga.schreiber26 
>> 4Life Website: http://helgaschreiber.my4life.com/1/default.aspx 
>> INT Website: http://int4life.com/ 
>> 
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From mabelin_r at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 19 21:30:50 2015
From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:30:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ringtone MakerQuestion!
In-Reply-To: <2B9229E6-3FDD-49B1-84CB-850F4991EE20@gmail.com>
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Well I've never used it before. Can you please contact me off list.  because I want to see how I can help you.



From mabelin_r at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 19 21:36:19 2015
From: mabelin_r at hotmail.com (Mabelin Ramirez)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 16:36:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Ringtone MakerQuestion!
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I added you. I hope you can except my contact request.
Looking forward to talking with you soon.
Mabelin



From ptrck.molloy at gmail.com  Sat Dec 19 22:24:10 2015
From: ptrck.molloy at gmail.com (Patrick Molloy)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:24:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
Message-ID: <CAN+-G_Bd0NoWKacMco0ud2zd+=bnjh=Cjh3GAt7M0y7MFNy_=w@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,
After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
to start looking for a new one. If possible, I'd like to get another
Dell. Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
with JAWS?
Thanks,
Patrick


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 00:46:49 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 19:46:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_Bd0NoWKacMco0ud2zd+=bnjh=Cjh3GAt7M0y7MFNy_=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Bd0NoWKacMco0ud2zd+=bnjh=Cjh3GAt7M0y7MFNy_=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <92604AC0-50EE-432A-B616-C754D87C6B7B@gmail.com>

Hi, 
I respect your decision to buy another Dell since you are comfortable  with it. I have heard that windows 10 with JAWS may not function correctly if the software were updated. I had a windows 8.1 for about a year and loved it very much. Interims of a long lasting computer I got a mac this past July and love it as well
I hope that this information is helpful to you. 
Good-luck, 
Nesma Aly
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 17:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one. If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell. Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 01:21:53 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAN+-G_Bd0NoWKacMco0ud2zd+=bnjh=Cjh3GAt7M0y7MFNy_=w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAN+-G_Bd0NoWKacMco0ud2zd+=bnjh=Cjh3GAt7M0y7MFNy_=w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA5A70B6-23D9-4826-B08F-42D29CC011EF@gmail.com>

I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17. I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one. If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell. Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 01:25:42 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:25:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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	<CA5A70B6-23D9-4826-B08F-42D29CC011EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FCFC85AA-58A6-43C1-9CE4-3D36E5F464BC@gmail.com>

thanks for that information. When windows 10 came out I was looking for a new laptop and after hearing the bad things about it with JAWS I decided not to take that [ path.
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:21, Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17. I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
>> to start looking for a new one. If possible, I'd like to get another
>> Dell. Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
>> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
>> with JAWS?
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 01:25:23 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 17:25:23 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
Message-ID: <567603ac.8895420a.6d794.ffffdb77@mx.google.com>

Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and 
windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start 
menu?

 ----- Original Message -----
From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop

I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like 
it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 
10.

Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver

 On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi All,
 After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time 
for me
 to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get 
another
 Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be 
best?
 Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it 
work
 with JAWS?
 Thanks,
 Patrick

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From sgermano at asu.edu  Sun Dec 20 01:30:55 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:30:55 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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When you run windows as a bootcamp operating system on a mac or run it as a
virtual machine on a mac using parallels it is as if you are running
windows natively.

I run Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 as VMs under Parallels and I use things
like OpenBook with no issues. I am not a JAWS user though so I cannot speak
to that

In my experience Windows runs better on a Mac. I would never buy a Windows
only machine.

On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:25 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10
> using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
>
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but
> 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 01:32:24 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:32:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
In-Reply-To: <567603ac.8895420a.6d794.ffffdb77@mx.google.com>
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you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two systems in one device. 
Hope this helps, 
Nesma
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
> 
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 01:34:21 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 20:34:21 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
In-Reply-To: <CAF=_avfaCH3mzMfNqBzyj_cc3k_SHTGwDaBFc-Hp--uhrOWA1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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	<CAF=_avfaCH3mzMfNqBzyj_cc3k_SHTGwDaBFc-Hp--uhrOWA1Q@mail.gmail.com>
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yes but I hear that this may slow down your mac because parallel is like having windows and OS on one device. 
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:30, Suzanne Germano via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> When you run windows as a bootcamp operating system on a mac or run it as a
> virtual machine on a mac using parallels it is as if you are running
> windows natively.
> 
> I run Windows 7 and Windows 8.1 as VMs under Parallels and I use things
> like OpenBook with no issues. I am not a JAWS user though so I cannot speak
> to that
> 
> In my experience Windows runs better on a Mac. I would never buy a Windows
> only machine.
> 
> On Sat, Dec 19, 2015 at 6:25 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>>
> wrote:
> 
>> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10
>> using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
>> 
>> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but
>> 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
>> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
>> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
>> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
>> with JAWS?
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>> 
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From tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 06:27:03 2015
From: tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com (Thomas Peralta)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:27:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
In-Reply-To: <9396B7F7-8C3D-4D87-993D-B68442292902@gmail.com>
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I was told that it would be best not to download Windows 10 if I had Jaws and Magic installed in my lap top now.  Why is that and is it true?Respectfully,Tom Peralta
 

    On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:34 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 

 you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two systems in one device. 
Hope this helps, 
Nesma
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
> 
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
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From tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com  Sun Dec 20 06:33:15 2015
From: tinypaws8491 at yahoo.com (Thomas Peralta)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 06:33:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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Thanks, but I have a Dell, not a Mac.  Is it the same with a Dell? 

    On Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:28 AM, Thomas Peralta via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 

 I was told that it would be best not to download Windows 10 if I had Jaws and Magic installed in my lap top now.  Why is that and is it true?Respectfully,Tom Peralta
 

    On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:34 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
 

 you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two systems in one device. 
Hope this helps, 
Nesma
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
> 
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
> 
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 13:30:24 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:30:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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no I am just trying to give some thoughts. I heard yesterday that windows 10 works wonderful with JAWS 17. 
Good-luck, 
NesmaOn Dec 20, 2015, at 01:33, Thomas Peralta via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, but I have a Dell, not a Mac.  Is it the same with a Dell? 
> 
>    On Sunday, December 20, 2015 12:28 AM, Thomas Peralta via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> I was told that it would be best not to download Windows 10 if I had Jaws and Magic installed in my lap top now.  Why is that and is it true?Respectfully,Tom Peralta
> 
> 
>     On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:34 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two systems in one device. 
> Hope this helps, 
> Nesma
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
>> 
>> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
>> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
>> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
>> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
>> with JAWS?
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 20 13:38:25 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 08:38:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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That was because if there were to be another update to say 10.11 the software might make JAWS not function correctly because softwares like JAWS and magic are third-party programs. This was the case in about Jun or July I think. If you are hesitant on buying  windows 10 you might want to look at windows 8.1 
I hope this helps, 
Nesma 
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 01:27, Thomas Peralta via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I was told that it would be best not to download Windows 10 if I had Jaws and Magic installed in my lap top now.  Why is that and is it true?Respectfully,Tom Peralta
> 
> 
>    On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:34 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two systems in one device. 
> Hope this helps, 
> Nesma
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
>> 
>> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>> 
>> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
>> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
>> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
>> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
>> with JAWS?
>> Thanks,
>> Patrick
>> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Sun Dec 20 23:40:33 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Sun, 20 Dec 2015 18:40:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
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Tom,
I think it depends on what version of jaws you have.
On a FS podcast, they said that jaws 17 would be made to work better with 
new windows. You might call freedom scientific to clarify what operating 
system works well with your jaws.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Thomas Peralta via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 20, 2015 1:27 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Thomas Peralta
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop

I was told that it would be best not to download Windows 10 if I had Jaws 
and Magic installed in my lap top now.  Why is that and is it 
true?Respectfully,Tom Peralta


    On Saturday, December 19, 2015 7:34 PM, nesma aly via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:


you use the program to run parallel on your mac. By this way, you have two 
systems in one device.
Hope this helps,
Nesma
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 20:25, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Wait a minute..., how can you use a mac computer with jaws and windows 10 
> using bootcamp? How do you get to the  windows start menu?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Zachary N.  Griego-Dreicer via nabs-l" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 19 Dec 2015 18:21:53 -0700
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] looking for new laptop
>
> I am running windows 10 on Boot Camp with jaws 17.  I really like it but 
> 17 is the only version that works the best with windows 10.
>
> Sent from my iPhone 6 Using VoiceOver
>
> On Dec 19, 2015, at 15:24, Patrick Molloy via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
> wrote:
>
> Hi All,
> After almost 5 years with my old Dell laptop, it's finally time for me
> to start looking for a new one.  If possible, I'd like to get another
> Dell.  Can anyone advise me on what models you have found to be best?
> Also, has anybody out there upgraded to Windows 10? How did it work
> with JAWS?
> Thanks,
> Patrick
>
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From hbwilliams16 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 21 05:15:52 2015
From: hbwilliams16 at gmail.com (Hindley Williams)
Date: Mon, 21 Dec 2015 00:15:52 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates
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Hello Fellow Federationists, 
It's that time once again! If your state student division has any updates they would like to share, please send them to me no later than Tuesday, December 22 at 5 pm eastern time to be included in the December edition of the NABS Notes. Any updates and announcements should be sent to hbwilliams16 at gmail.com. Please let me know if you have any questions.
All Best, 
Hindley             

Sent from my iPhone

From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 15:08:58 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:08:58 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] access to higher education
Message-ID: <F06EF621-B23C-47E0-9405-1DFDB02E5CE0@gmail.com>

hi all I was asked to circulate the following information. 

Hello,
 
As many of you know, the Annual NFB Washington Seminar draws near. Changing laws is how we change the reality for blind people in America. I am writing to ask you to help me make a difference on this critical issue. Please help us collect 250 letters to Members of Congress!
 
Facts:
1.      Equal access to an education, including technology used on campus, is a legal right today for blind students, yet failure to provide accessible materials and utilize accessible technology is not rare, it is the norm.
2.      Members of the House of Representatives and Senate do care what their constituents think.
3.      Your personal story can be a powerful tool to highlight the urgent need to pass legislation to help ensure that blind students are not left behind due to inaccessible technology.
4.      If you right a brief letter to your Senators and Representative, we will ensure that it is delivered to your Members of Congress in meetings in late January.
5.      You have a bit of free time on your hands now that the semester is over (Ok, that might be a little bit of speculation!)
 
Please, take 15 minutes to half an hour to write a quick letter for us before January 10. Our goal is 250. We already have many. Thanks to those of you who have already written! Please, Just share any stories you have related to access buriers such as: inaccessible pdf books, inaccessible file formats, reader hardware, web platforms, required software for coursework or to register for classes, print transcripts, etc. Just tell a bit about how inaccessibility negatively impacted your education in community college, university, grad school, etc. Even if you are a relatively recent graduate, stories about access buriers in post-secondary education would be very, very helpful. Just write the story in a letter to your elected officials. In the letter say dear Senator so and so, introduce yourself, say where you go to school, tell your story about inaccessibility on campus, then ask Congress to pass a law creating voluntary guidelines for accessibility in higher education.
 
Please send letters, or any questions, to me at:
Nabs.president at gmail.com
Or Kathryn Webster at:
Kathrynwebsternfb at gmail.com
 
I have pasted my letter below as an example in case it is helpful. It doesn’t need to be long, or need to be the most beautiful thing ever written. Just tell your story clearly.
 
I wouldn’t ask you to take the time if it didn’t really make a difference. Personal stories from constituents can make a major impact! Please, take a little time before then end of the year to write a letter and help this important effort.
 
Please be in touch with any questions.
 
Thank you very much!
 
Sean
 
Dear Massachusetts Congressional Delegation:
 
When I learned that all of the required readings for the courses in my Master of Public Policy program were going to be posted online in electronic format, I, as a blind student who cannot read print, was thrilled. I assumed that my experience as a graduate student at Harvard would be much smoother in terms of accessibility than was my time as an undergrad seven years ago at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Unfortunately, my assumption proved premature. Despite the ease with which materials can be made accessible with current technology, I have found many of my electronic readings to be poorly tagged .pdf files that a text to speech screen-reading program cannot decipher. Instead of having access equal to that of my peers to course readings, the disability student services office has to convert the documents into text files and I have to wait to have access to the materials. This system is inefficient and it leaves me at a disadvantage to my classmates. This is one of many examples of access barriers I have encountered due to inaccessible technology. And stories like mine are all too common among blind college and graduate students. But why are blind students not receiving equal access to all aspects of education? It isn’t because accessibility is difficult or expensive to achieve. And it isn’t because universities are maliciously discriminating against blind students. It is simply because schools, for the most part, don’t really understand what accessibility looks like. And, therefore, the schools do not know what accessibility features to demand from those who create the technologies they purchase and use. Voluntary guidelines would address this problem. Written standards would set out clear metrics for accessibility in course management software, electronic reading materials, and e-readers or tablets used by students. These guidelines would not impose any new legal requirements on schools, but rather would assist schools in meeting their obligation to provide full and equal access to all students, regardless of disability. I urge you to support equal access to education in order to ensure that blind students like me don’t face needless barriers in our education.
  
 Please send all letters to me  or Shawn and we will get them to the people they need to go to.  
Thanks, 
Nesma

From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Tue Dec 22 16:00:44 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 11:00:44 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] access to higher education
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Thanks so much, Nesma, for distributing this across our list!
Just to clarify, my email address is kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com
Hope that cleared up any confusion. Thank you in advance for all letters. It is so crucial in our fight toward equal access to education.

Happy holidays,
Kathryn Webster
Secretary/Treasurer | National Association of Blind Students

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hi all I was asked to circulate the following information. 

Hello,
 
As many of you know, the Annual NFB Washington Seminar draws near. Changing laws is how we change the reality for blind people in America. I am writing to ask you to help me make a difference on this critical issue. Please help us collect 250 letters to Members of Congress!
 
Facts:
1.      Equal access to an education, including technology used on campus, is a legal right today for blind students, yet failure to provide accessible materials and utilize accessible technology is not rare, it is the norm.
2.      Members of the House of Representatives and Senate do care what their constituents think.
3.      Your personal story can be a powerful tool to highlight the urgent need to pass legislation to help ensure that blind students are not left behind due to inaccessible technology.
4.      If you right a brief letter to your Senators and Representative, we will ensure that it is delivered to your Members of Congress in meetings in late January.
5.      You have a bit of free time on your hands now that the semester is over (Ok, that might be a little bit of speculation!)
 
Please, take 15 minutes to half an hour to write a quick letter for us before January 10. Our goal is 250. We already have many. Thanks to those of you who have already written! Please, Just share any stories you have related to access buriers such as: inaccessible pdf books, inaccessible file formats, reader hardware, web platforms, required software for coursework or to register for classes, print transcripts, etc. Just tell a bit about how inaccessibility negatively impacted your education in community college, university, grad school, etc. Even if you are a relatively recent graduate, stories about access buriers in post-secondary education would be very, very helpful. Just write the story in a letter to your elected officials. In the letter say dear Senator so and so, introduce yourself, say where you go to school, tell your story about inaccessibility on campus, then ask Congress to pass a law creating voluntary guidelines for accessibility in higher education.
 
Please send letters, or any questions, to me at:
Nabs.president at gmail.com
Or Kathryn Webster at:
Kathrynwebsternfb at gmail.com
 
I have pasted my letter below as an example in case it is helpful. It doesn’t need to be long, or need to be the most beautiful thing ever written. Just tell your story clearly.
 
I wouldn’t ask you to take the time if it didn’t really make a difference. Personal stories from constituents can make a major impact! Please, take a little time before then end of the year to write a letter and help this important effort.
 
Please be in touch with any questions.
 
Thank you very much!
 
Sean
 
Dear Massachusetts Congressional Delegation:
 
When I learned that all of the required readings for the courses in my Master of Public Policy program were going to be posted online in electronic format, I, as a blind student who cannot read print, was thrilled. I assumed that my experience as a graduate student at Harvard would be much smoother in terms of accessibility than was my time as an undergrad seven years ago at the University of Wisconsin-Madison. Unfortunately, my assumption proved premature. Despite the ease with which materials can be made accessible with current technology, I have found many of my electronic readings to be poorly tagged .pdf files that a text to speech screen-reading program cannot decipher. Instead of having access equal to that of my peers to course readings, the disability student services office has to convert the documents into text files and I have to wait to have access to the materials. This system is inefficient and it leaves me at a disadvantage to my classmates. This is one of many examples of access barriers I have encountered due to inaccessible technology. And stories like mine are all too common among blind college and graduate students. But why are blind students not receiving equal access to all aspects of education? It isn’t because accessibility is difficult or expensive to achieve. And it isn’t because universities are maliciously discriminating against blind students. It is simply because schools, for the most part, don’t really understand what accessibility looks like. And, therefore, the schools do not know what accessibility features to demand from those who create the technologies they purchase and use. Voluntary guidelines would address this problem. Written standards would set out clear metrics for accessibility in course management software, electronic reading materials, and e-readers or tablets used by students. These guidelines would not impose any new legal requirements on schools, but rather would assist schools in meeting their obligation to provide full and equal access to all students, regardless of disability. I urge you to support equal access to education in order to ensure that blind students like me don’t face needless barriers in our education.
  
 Please send all letters to me  or Shawn and we will get them to the people they need to go to.  
Thanks, 
Nesma
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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Tue Dec 22 23:35:01 2015
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 16:35:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates
In-Reply-To: <4FD6C325-E4A2-4F4C-AE63-2DD6AA1EC716@gmail.com>
References: <4FD6C325-E4A2-4F4C-AE63-2DD6AA1EC716@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BB5DE470-3230-4300-A50F-87E566E2F180@asu.edu>


Greetings and happy holidays from Arizona students! Here in the great state of Arizona where the sun shines year round and Mr. Clause has to shed a few layers before making his annual deliveries, we are excited to share some holiday updates. Last weekend several Arizona chapters held their holiday parties and it proved to be an excellent time to raise funds for the student division. Across the North valley to the Southern area of Arizona we auctioned of holiday gift baskets and were able to raise over $500. As the end of the year approaches and we are nearing the new year we feel it is necessary to begin 2016 with some fun. Following our Christmas fund raisers we are looking into an event for New Years to raise awareness and do some recruiting. This year AzABS is sending two board members to Washington Seminar to represent Arizona and advocate on behalf of blind students all across the Nation. As mentioned previously we are working on planning an Arizona student seminar aimed to raise awareness of the NFB and how to get involved, how to plan for the transition between high school and college, and other fun topics. Things are coming together nicely and very soon we will be sharing the details of the event with you all. 

As always we are excited to work beside you all and want to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year from everyone in Arizona!



 
> On Dec 20, 2015, at 10:15 PM, Hindley Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Fellow Federationists, 
> It's that time once again! If your state student division has any updates they would like to share, please send them to me no later than Tuesday, December 22 at 5 pm eastern time to be included in the December edition of the NABS Notes. Any updates and announcements should be sent to hbwilliams16 at gmail.com. Please let me know if you have any questions.
> All Best, 
> Hindley             
> 
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Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
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QwikEyes CEO


From martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com  Tue Dec 22 23:58:12 2015
From: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com (Stephanie Martin)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 17:58:12 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Call for State Updates
In-Reply-To: <4FD6C325-E4A2-4F4C-AE63-2DD6AA1EC716@gmail.com>
References: <4FD6C325-E4A2-4F4C-AE63-2DD6AA1EC716@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FFA19C58-7BB9-4C49-9B46-2ED21A882CBE@yahoo.com>

Hey!
I'm so sorry this is late, but I didn't see the email until someone else responded. I am the president of the Louisiana Association of blind students. I wanted to share that on the last weekend of October LABS had our annual student seminar. We had around 40 participants from high school, college, and some LCB students as well. We had a presentation by Dr Bell and his wife talking about working with disability services, rehab, using readers/drivers, along with other aspects of college. We also introduced the various aspects of the NFB, discussing the difference between and getting involved in chapters, divisions, and affiliates to all the students in attendance. We had many other things going on throughout the day on Saturday and the students were able hang out Friday night and Saturday night with different activities to get acquainted with one another and build friendships that will hopefully last for a long time. The students left on Sunday morning to head back home. We had a great turnout and everyone seemed to enjoy the weekend and learn a lot of new information. I want to thank Pam Allen, Eric Guillory, Bre Brown, Treva Olivero, and the LABS board  for a great weekend. Now we are getting information out for our state scholarship and getting ready for our state convention in April.

Thanks,
Stephanie Martin
MAT TVI NCUEB
Phone: 504-982-7452
Work email: Stephanie.martin at lincolnschools.com
Personal email: martinsteph2010 at yahoo.com

> On Dec 20, 2015, at 11:15 PM, Hindley Williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Fellow Federationists, 
> It's that time once again! If your state student division has any updates they would like to share, please send them to me no later than Tuesday, December 22 at 5 pm eastern time to be included in the December edition of the NABS Notes. Any updates and announcements should be sent to hbwilliams16 at gmail.com. Please let me know if you have any questions.
> All Best, 
> Hindley             
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 04:05:14 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:05:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
Message-ID: <567a1d88.c459620a.d2526.ffff9c65@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I am applying for scholarships this year, many of which want at 
least one Letter of Recommendation.
I know that the person who writes the letter should write based 
on their opinion of you.  However, I have also heard that you 
should supply them with information about you as well, since not 
all the people writing the letters know enough about you.
Is a copy of the CV enough? How were you able to get good 
letters?
Thanks,
Vejas


From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 04:30:13 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:30:13 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
Message-ID: <567a2384.9646620a.4b31c.ffffab4e@mx.google.com>

Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 
95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the 
device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug 
it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and 
doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 04:49:53 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 23:49:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
Message-ID: <567a27fc.46f50d0a.b7078.ffffec27@mx.google.com>

Hi Vejas,

What types of scholarships are you talking about?  I don't really 
know anything about letters for things like NFB scholarships, but 
for academic letters of recommendation if the person doesn't know 
enough about you to write a good letter, they aren't going to 
write you a good letter.  A letter of recommendation is supposed 
to discuss the recommender's experience with you, and if they 
don't have enough experiences with you to write about, well 
that's that.  Many recommenders will want you to send them 
something like coppies of the papers you have submitted in their 
classes because it's usually easier for you to track that down 
than for them to.  You might also be asked to remind them of the 
grades you received from them.  A CV would be helpful, but 
normally the idea is for the recommender to talk about there 
actual interactions with you not other things you've done in your 
life at least for most of the letter.

HTH,
Karl

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:05:14 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of 
Recommendation

Hi All,
I am applying for scholarships this year, many of which want at
least one Letter of Recommendation.
I know that the person who writes the letter should write based
on their opinion of you.  However, I have also heard that you
should supply them with information about you as well, since not
all the people writing the letters know enough about you.
Is a copy of the CV enough? How were you able to get good
letters?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Wed Dec 23 08:44:29 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 03:44:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <567a27fc.46f50d0a.b7078.ffffec27@mx.google.com>
References: <567a27fc.46f50d0a.b7078.ffffec27@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B355ADC2-516B-4F65-9480-D696212CA10D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hey Vejas, I agree that you should definitely ask someone who can speak to your leadership, involvement, intelligence, and or character. 

As to what to provide, I usually just ask the recommender if they want my CV, transcript, a writing sample, or anything else. Some will ask for everything, some won't want or need any of it. Letting them tell you what they would use has worked out really well for me. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2015, at 11:49 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> What types of scholarships are you talking about?  I don't really know anything about letters for things like NFB scholarships, but for academic letters of recommendation if the person doesn't know enough about you to write a good letter, they aren't going to write you a good letter.  A letter of recommendation is supposed to discuss the recommender's experience with you, and if they don't have enough experiences with you to write about, well that's that.  Many recommenders will want you to send them something like coppies of the papers you have submitted in their classes because it's usually easier for you to track that down than for them to.  You might also be asked to remind them of the grades you received from them.  A CV would be helpful, but normally the idea is for the recommender to talk about there actual interactions with you not other things you've done in your life at least for most of the letter.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:05:14 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
> 
> Hi All,
> I am applying for scholarships this year, many of which want at
> least one Letter of Recommendation.
> I know that the person who writes the letter should write based
> on their opinion of you.  However, I have also heard that you
> should supply them with information about you as well, since not
> all the people writing the letters know enough about you.
> Is a copy of the CV enough? How were you able to get good
> letters?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 13:32:18 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:32:18 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
In-Reply-To: <567a2384.9646620a.4b31c.ffffab4e@mx.google.com>
References: <567a2384.9646620a.4b31c.ffffab4e@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <A333FADE-FCAD-4F1D-9CEA-AC66544AF833@gmail.com>

Good morning, 
I am sorry to hear what is going on with your IPad 
have you tried double clicking your home button and closing all of your apps? This can be done by flicking your finger up then double tapp your apps until your app switcher is empty. If you are not using voice-over, press and hold on an app while you swipe up. If you already did so, try holding down the home button with the power until you see the apple symbol then let go. The last thing I can recommend will be to go to settings, general, reset then reset all settings. Hit yes to all the alerts that come up. If you use voice-over or siri these will be disabled so you may want to get sighted help. 
Good-luck, let me know if you have anymore questions. 
Have a wonderful day, 
Nesma Aly
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 23:30, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 14:35:03 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 09:35:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
In-Reply-To: <B355ADC2-516B-4F65-9480-D696212CA10D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
References: <567a27fc.46f50d0a.b7078.ffffec27@mx.google.com>
	<B355ADC2-516B-4F65-9480-D696212CA10D@jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Message-ID: <01d601d13d8f$1cc6e6f0$5654b4d0$@gmail.com>

Vejas, if someone writes you a letter of recommendation, they need to know
enough about you so that they can speak about your character, or how you
have been an asset to a given organization or situation.   The information
about you helps, but the people who are writing you a letter like that
should know you well enough to write it without your information, even
though I would advise sending them your information for reference.  For
example, the Director of the Center for Independent Living I work with wrote
me a letter of recommendation for the NFB National Scholarship off of what
she Knew about me as a volunteer with the CIL, and my professors wrote them
for me off of what they knew about me as a student in the Vocational
Rehabilitation program.  So, they should know you pretty well, and if you
can, get people who are familiar with you in the context related to the type
of scholarship you are applying for if possible. Once again, I would advise
you to send them your information for reference, but some folks may tell you
not to send it; always ask. 
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Derek Manners
via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:44 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Derek Manners <dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation

Hey Vejas, I agree that you should definitely ask someone who can speak to
your leadership, involvement, intelligence, and or character. 

As to what to provide, I usually just ask the recommender if they want my
CV, transcript, a writing sample, or anything else. Some will ask for
everything, some won't want or need any of it. Letting them tell you what
they would use has worked out really well for me. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 22, 2015, at 11:49 PM, Karl Martin Adam via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> What types of scholarships are you talking about?  I don't really know
anything about letters for things like NFB scholarships, but for academic
letters of recommendation if the person doesn't know enough about you to
write a good letter, they aren't going to write you a good letter.  A letter
of recommendation is supposed to discuss the recommender's experience with
you, and if they don't have enough experiences with you to write about, well
that's that.  Many recommenders will want you to send them something like
coppies of the papers you have submitted in their classes because it's
usually easier for you to track that down than for them to.  You might also
be asked to remind them of the grades you received from them.  A CV would be
helpful, but normally the idea is for the recommender to talk about there
actual interactions with you not other things you've done in your life at
least for most of the letter.
> 
> HTH,
> Karl
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 20:05:14 -0800
> Subject: [nabs-l] Advice on Getting a Good Letter of Recommendation
> 
> Hi All,
> I am applying for scholarships this year, many of which want at least 
> one Letter of Recommendation.
> I know that the person who writes the letter should write based on 
> their opinion of you.  However, I have also heard that you should 
> supply them with information about you as well, since not all the 
> people writing the letters know enough about you.
> Is a copy of the CV enough? How were you able to get good letters?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 23 17:59:32 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 12:59:32 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>

Hi,
What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
Ian

From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 18:46:15 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 10:46:15 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
Message-ID: <567aec27.1a10620a.9df31.34a7@mx.google.com>

I did, now it's showing "0 percent battery power, not charging 
status bar itep." I want to restore the device to factory 
settings, but how do I do that without a sighted person? My 
sighted person is at work the I'm willing to try it.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:32:18 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini

Good morning,
I am sorry to hear what is going on with your IPad
have you tried double clicking your home button and closing all 
of your apps? This can be done by flicking your finger up then 
double tapp your apps until your app switcher is empty.  If you 
are not using voice-over, press and hold on an app while you 
swipe up.  If you already did so, try holding down the home 
button with the power until you see the apple symbol then let go.  
The last thing I can recommend will be to go to settings, 
general, reset then reset all settings.  Hit yes to all the 
alerts that come up.  If you use voice-over or siri these will be 
disabled so you may want to get sighted help.
Good-luck, let me know if you have anymore questions.
Have a wonderful day,
Nesma Aly
 On Dec 22, 2015, at 23:30, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

 Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 
95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the 
device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug 
it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and 
doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?

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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 19:45:53 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:45:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
In-Reply-To: <567aec27.1a10620a.9df31.34a7@mx.google.com>
References: <567aec27.1a10620a.9df31.34a7@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <B81EAFAF-06E4-4644-B6B4-D7A24CAC6B9A@gmail.com>

It may be that the battery percentage on your status bar is simply not refreshing. This is a problem I have experienced on a number of occasions on my iPhone since the update to I OS 9. In order to refresh this status bar item, go to settings and select battery. Under this heading there will be a toggle which is labeled "battery percentage." Double tap to turn this off, then immediately double tap again to turn it back on. If you check at the top right corner of your status bar again, you should see a more accurate percentage. Hope this helps.

Merry Christmas,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I did, now it's showing "0 percent battery power, not charging status bar itep." I want to restore the device to factory settings, but how do I do that without a sighted person? My sighted person is at work the I'm willing to try it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:32:18 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
> 
> Good morning,
> I am sorry to hear what is going on with your IPad
> have you tried double clicking your home button and closing all of your apps? This can be done by flicking your finger up then double tapp your apps until your app switcher is empty.  If you are not using voice-over, press and hold on an app while you swipe up.  If you already did so, try holding down the home button with the power until you see the apple symbol then let go.  The last thing I can recommend will be to go to settings, general, reset then reset all settings.  Hit yes to all the alerts that come up.  If you use voice-over or siri these will be disabled so you may want to get sighted help.
> Good-luck, let me know if you have anymore questions.
> Have a wonderful day,
> Nesma Aly
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 23:30, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?
> 
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From cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 20:03:14 2015
From: cnusbaumnfb at gmail.com (Chris Nusbaum)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:03:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>

EN:

I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly, however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
> Ian
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 20:09:48 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:09:48 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
	<D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
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How do you fill out forms with it? I just got it last night. 
Justin

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Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 3:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader

EN:

I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly, however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
> Ian
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Wed Dec 23 20:13:50 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 15:13:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
	<D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU403-EAS241290D5CBE1D6DC2B66156BFE60@phx.gbl>

Hi Chris
This all sounds good. Can the app read barcodes, like   on wine and soda bottles? Or is it just paper documents?
Ian

Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!

> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> EN:
> 
> I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly, however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
>> Ian
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Wed Dec 23 21:00:42 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 13:00:42 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
Message-ID: <567b0baa.d408620a.e5f74.4e69@mx.google.com>

It doesn't.  I need to restora the device.  What's the easiest 
way.  I also infact locked my ipad with a passcode and it wont 
accept it when using find my iphone.

 ----- Original Message -----
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To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:45:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini

It may be that the battery percentage on your status bar is 
simply not refreshing.  This is a problem I have experienced on a 
number of occasions on my iPhone since the update to I OS 9.  In 
order to refresh this status bar item, go to settings and select 
battery.  Under this heading there will be a toggle which is 
labeled "battery percentage." Double tap to turn this off, then 
immediately double tap again to turn it back on.  If you check at 
the top right corner of your status bar again, you should see a 
more accurate percentage.  Hope this helps.

Merry Christmas,

Chris Nusbaum

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, petras via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 I did, now it's showing "0 percent battery power, not charging 
status bar itep." I want to restore the device to factory 
settings, but how do I do that without a sighted person? My 
sighted person is at work the I'm willing to try it.

 ----- Original Message -----
 From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
 Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:32:18 -0500
 Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini

 Good morning,
 I am sorry to hear what is going on with your IPad
 have you tried double clicking your home button and closing all 
of your apps? This can be done by flicking your finger up then 
double tapp your apps until your app switcher is empty.  If you 
are not using voice-over, press and hold on an app while you 
swipe up.  If you already did so, try holding down the home 
button with the power until you see the apple symbol then let go.  
The last thing I can recommend will be to go to settings, 
general, reset then reset all settings.  Hit yes to all the 
alerts that come up.  If you use voice-over or siri these will be 
disabled so you may want to get sighted help.
 Good-luck, let me know if you have anymore questions.
 Have a wonderful day,
 Nesma Aly
 On Dec 22, 2015, at 23:30, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> 
wrote:

 Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 
95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the 
device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug 
it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and 
doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?

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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Wed Dec 23 23:34:51 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 18:34:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
Message-ID: <8D30BF1A76F9AE6-1038-4399B8@webmail-vm010.sysops.aol.com>

Hello NABS,
Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.

I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate 
file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few 
minutes of the entire file)
What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
Miso




From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 00:31:45 2015
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen G)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 19:31:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader
In-Reply-To: <BLU403-EAS241290D5CBE1D6DC2B66156BFE60@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS21B9206BBED13E4E783879BFE60@phx.gbl>
	<D038F925-2DC0-40A1-9C4A-C91FE16026F7@gmail.com>
	<BLU403-EAS241290D5CBE1D6DC2B66156BFE60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6717B70B-3087-4F00-8E25-FA835CE97143@gmail.com>

Hi Ian,
I would also highly recommend KNFB reader. I bought it the other day, and was very impressed. I was able to use it to read the information on my cricket wireless Sim card kit, and it also read a birthday card. Definitely worth the money.
Cullen
> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:13 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris
> This all sounds good. Can the app read barcodes, like   on wine and soda bottles? Or is it just paper documents?
> Ian
> 
> Sent from my iPhone sorry for typos!
> 
>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 3:04 PM, Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> EN:
>> 
>> I absolutely love the cayenne FB reader and would recommend it highly to you. It is probably the most accurate and fastest OCR app I have ever used on any platform, and it's ease of use on the iPhone makes it very convenient. I use it almost daily for a variety of tasks, from Reading mail to filling out forms to scanning class assignments and other print documents which I could not get access to electronically. Admittedly, however, it does come with a fairly steep learning curve, particularly related to lining up the phone with the paper to get the most accurate picture. I'm not the best at it yet by far, and I've been using the app for over a year. Some of The demonstrations and other information on Podcasts you can find online may help you with this, as will the built-in tilt guidance and field of you report features. Overall, the app is very useful and very convenient. Once you have it, I'm sure you will be surprised as I was at how much material you previously did not have access to and now do because of cayenne FB reader. I would strongly encourage you to get it while it is on sale. Merry Christmas!
>> 
>> Chris Nusbaum
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Dec 23, 2015, at 12:59 PM, Ian Perrault via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> What do you think of the KNFB reader for the IPhone? Since it’s $75 now, rather than $100, it might be good to get it. Do you find it helpful? I haven’t really needed to scan anything up to this point, but it may be helpful later on. Does it take time to get used to, such as holding the phone in the right place when scanning a paper or a barcode?
>>> Ian
>>> _______________________________________________
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From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 01:05:47 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:05:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
In-Reply-To: <8D30BF1A76F9AE6-1038-4399B8@webmail-vm010.sysops.aol.com>
References: <8D30BF1A76F9AE6-1038-4399B8@webmail-vm010.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAMtP_9fmWXe-vde+zuw8dQP_C0Qc9ZU3vFM-63J299sLfm+q3A@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, I use Sony sound forge
it is very accessible with jaws.
If you need it just for one use, I can help you with it, unless the
audio is confidential.



2015-12-23 18:34 GMT-05:00, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hello NABS,
> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>
> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
> file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few
> minutes of the entire file)
> What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
> Miso
>
>
>
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 01:41:22 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 20:41:22 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
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References: <567b0baa.d408620a.e5f74.4e69@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <4D3E7C4E-C701-4C75-84EE-652BE6065D3E@gmail.com>


go to settings general reset then reset all content and settings. It will tell you that all your information will be deleted. Make sure that before you erase your IPad you have gone to settings ICloud and turned iCloud back-up on. After that when you reset your IPad, you will need to retype your apple Id and password that you had originally put on your device. 
After all of the steps you should get your data back. When it asks for you to choose how you want to restore you may want to restore to the latest back-up or if the latest back-up is causing the problem, you may want to choose a later back-up. 
You may want to also go to settings general software update and make sure that your software is not old. This also maybe causing the problem.
>  
Please feel free to ask me anymore questions you may have. 
 Good-luck, 
Nesma
> On Dec 23, 2015, at 16:00, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> It doesn't.  I need to restora the device.  What's the easiest way.  I also infact locked my ipad with a passcode and it wont accept it when using find my iphone.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chris Nusbaum via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 14:45:53 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
> 
> It may be that the battery percentage on your status bar is simply not refreshing.  This is a problem I have experienced on a number of occasions on my iPhone since the update to I OS 9.  In order to refresh this status bar item, go to settings and select battery.  Under this heading there will be a toggle which is labeled "battery percentage." Double tap to turn this off, then immediately double tap again to turn it back on.  If you check at the top right corner of your status bar again, you should see a more accurate percentage.  Hope this helps.
> 
> Merry Christmas,
> 
> Chris Nusbaum
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 23, 2015, at 1:46 PM, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> I did, now it's showing "0 percent battery power, not charging status bar itep." I want to restore the device to factory settings, but how do I do that without a sighted person? My sighted person is at work the I'm willing to try it.
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: nesma aly via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:32:18 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] whats up with my ipad mini
> 
> Good morning,
> I am sorry to hear what is going on with your IPad
> have you tried double clicking your home button and closing all of your apps? This can be done by flicking your finger up then double tapp your apps until your app switcher is empty.  If you are not using voice-over, press and hold on an app while you swipe up.  If you already did so, try holding down the home button with the power until you see the apple symbol then let go.  The last thing I can recommend will be to go to settings, general, reset then reset all settings.  Hit yes to all the alerts that come up.  If you use voice-over or siri these will be disabled so you may want to get sighted help.
> Good-luck, let me know if you have anymore questions.
> Have a wonderful day,
> Nesma Aly
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 23:30, petras via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi, I'm having this problem where the ipad will fully charge at 95 percent when it really is fully charged.  Then I restart the device and it show's the real percentage.  However, If I unplug it for a little bit then plug it back in, it shows 95 percent and doesn't proceed.  How do I recalibrate the meter on my ipad?
> 
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 24 02:38:45 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 21:38:45 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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Wow, sound forge is accessible?
You mean you use it without scripts. I have a blind friend who uses it but 
he said he needed scripts. But he uses an earlier version, so maybe
that is less accessible. Just clarifying
In addition to cutting out segments, can sound forge split an audio file and 
convert from one audio format to another?

Thanks.

Ashley
-----Original Message----- 
From: Elif Emir Öksüzvia nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:05 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Hi, I use Sony sound forge
it is very accessible with jaws.
If you need it just for one use, I can help you with it, unless the
audio is confidential.



2015-12-23 18:34 GMT-05:00, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Hello NABS,
> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>
> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
> file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few
> minutes of the entire file)
> What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
> Miso
>
>
>
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From filerime at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 03:20:37 2015
From: filerime at gmail.com (=?UTF-8?B?RWxpZiBFbWlyIMOWa3PDvHo=?=)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:20:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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Yes, I use it without scripts.
It is like working on ms word. you can cut, coppy or paste any voice
segment to anywhere.
You can convert audio files. You can add different voice segments back
to back or on to each other. You can add bacround music to a
conversation. you can make faster or slowdown the voice and etc.
you have almost endless options


2015-12-23 21:38 GMT-05:00, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Wow, sound forge is accessible?
> You mean you use it without scripts. I have a blind friend who uses it but
> he said he needed scripts. But he uses an earlier version, so maybe
> that is less accessible. Just clarifying
> In addition to cutting out segments, can sound forge split an audio file and
>
> convert from one audio format to another?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elif Emir Öksüzvia nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Hi, I use Sony sound forge
> it is very accessible with jaws.
> If you need it just for one use, I can help you with it, unless the
> audio is confidential.
>
>
>
> 2015-12-23 18:34 GMT-05:00, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hello NABS,
>> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>>
>> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
>> file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few
>> minutes of the entire file)
>> What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
>> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
>> Miso
>>
>>
>>
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From kwakmiso at aol.com  Thu Dec 24 03:46:39 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 22:46:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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Elif, Thank you for the response.
The recordings are not confidential, but I have multiple recordings 
which I want to cut certain portions from, so learning how to use the 
sound forge program you mentioned would be useful to me in a long term.
How can I obtain this software and where could I learn how to use it?

Best,
Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Elif Emir Öksüz via
  nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz <filerime at gmail.com>
Sent: Wed, Dec 23, 2015 7:21 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Yes, I use it without scripts.
It is like working on ms word. you can cut, coppy or paste any voice
segment to anywhere.
You can convert audio files. You can add different voice segments back
to back or on to each other. You can add bacround music to a
conversation. you can make faster or slowdown the voice and etc.
you have almost endless options


2015-12-23 21:38 GMT-05:00, Ashley Bramlett via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
> Wow, sound forge is accessible?
> You mean you use it without scripts. I have a blind friend who uses 
it but
> he said he needed scripts. But he uses an earlier version, so maybe
> that is less accessible. Just clarifying
> In addition to cutting out segments, can sound forge split an audio 
file and
>
> convert from one audio format to another?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Ashley
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Elif Emir Öksüzvia nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 8:05 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Elif Emir Öksüz
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Hi, I use Sony sound forge
> it is very accessible with jaws.
> If you need it just for one use, I can help you with it, unless the
> audio is confidential.
>
>
>
> 2015-12-23 18:34 GMT-05:00, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>:
>> Hello NABS,
>> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>>
>> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
>> file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few
>> minutes of the entire file)
>> What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
>> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
>> Miso
>>
>>
>>
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Thu Dec 24 06:45:14 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 01:45:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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Miso,

Software can be expensive and I don't know how much you can pay for it. 
Sound Forge is a Sony product, so I would think you would buy it from Sony 
online or via phone.
But there are less expensive and less fancy alternatives. You might try 
audacity which I know is free; its open source online. Also the software 
named goldwave might be able to edit files and delete portions of the files 
which is what you want.
Goldwave is also a software online  and I think there is a free trial of it.

I haven't used these softwares, but I heard they work with jaws.

good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miso Kwak
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Hello NABS,
Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.

I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
file. (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few
minutes of the entire file)
What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
Miso



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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 12:46:19 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 07:46:19 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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	<9766A0F9FAC645098005649813353805@OwnerPC>
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Good morning Miso and all,
	I have had great success with Foobar 2000. It may seem inaccessible
at first glance, but once you create hot keys for all necessary actions, it
is awesome. Let me know if I can help if you choose to use this software.

Happy holidays!
Kathryn Webster

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley Bramlett
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:45 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Ashley Bramlett
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Miso,

Software can be expensive and I don't know how much you can pay for it. 
Sound Forge is a Sony product, so I would think you would buy it from Sony
online or via phone.
But there are less expensive and less fancy alternatives. You might try
audacity which I know is free; its open source online. Also the software
named goldwave might be able to edit files and delete portions of the files
which is what you want.
Goldwave is also a software online  and I think there is a free trial of it.

I haven't used these softwares, but I heard they work with jaws.

good luck.
Ashley

-----Original Message-----
From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Miso Kwak
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Hello NABS,
Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.

I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate file.
(i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few minutes of the
entire file) What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
Miso



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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Thu Dec 24 16:15:41 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:15:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy holidays
Message-ID: <0A74528F-F48C-4A5A-94F1-21D8512BC502@icloud.com>

Hi, all,
I just wanted to wish everybody a happy holiday. Enjoy being off school, and spending time with family and friends.
Best,
Mikayla

Sent from my iPad

From piano.girl0299 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 24 16:23:38 2015
From: piano.girl0299 at gmail.com (Kelsey Nicolay)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 11:23:38 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] brailliant bi 40 question
Message-ID: <567c1c1d.0dd7370a.b3901.2464@mx.google.com>

Hello,
I was hoping someone on the list could help me out.  I have a 
Brailliant Bi 40 from Humanware that I use at my workplace.  I 
have been trying to figure out how to copy and paste with it.  I 
found the commands for cut, copy, and paste in the manual online 
after several minutes of searching, but I could not find how to 
actually select the text.  Tech support didn't know either.  
Therefore, if anyone has a Brailliant Bi and has figured out how 
to select text with it, please write me offlist and let me know 
how to do it.  I am selecting with the computer keyboard for now, 
but it is annoying to have to switch back and forth between the 
pc and the Braille keyboard.
My email is piano.girl0299 at gmail.com
Thank you,
Kelsey Nicolay


From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Fri Dec 25 01:41:30 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Thu, 24 Dec 2015 20:41:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Christmas
Message-ID: <AB19C3D5A57D4C5CADEB3C80463AF317@OwnerPC>

Hi all,

Hope you all are home safe and sound resting from finals if you are still in school as most are on the list.

Its that time of year. I hope all are celebrating with friends or family. 
We will stay in town for Christmas and have ham and turkey. All will be at my house for Christmas. I very much look forward to my brother and nephew being here who often do not visit for holidays.
The turkey and ham will be present tomorrow with lots of people who are our family.

Merry Christmas!

Ashley

From dandrews at visi.com  Fri Dec 25 16:52:11 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 10:52:11 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Juliet Pro60 For Sale
Message-ID: <auto-000045719080@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Please contact Eric directly as he is most likely not subscribed to this list.

Dave





>I have a Juliet Pro 60 for sale. It has had very little use. I am 
>asking $2400 plus shipping. The price is negotiable.
>
>Please email <mailto:peduffy63 at gmail.com>peduffy63 at gmail.com
>
>You may also call me at (614) 377-9877.
>
>Thanks.
>
>Eric Duffy
>

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 25 20:56:06 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 15:56:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
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Audacity may or may not be accessible to you.  I used it a lot several
years ago, but I often had to stop using jaws and switch to a
magnifier program to do things like select and cut different portions
of the file.  The menues were basically the only accessible part of
it, and the built in hot keys for simple tasks like "record" "pause"
"play," etc.

I might look into using Sound Forge myself.  I was able to find this
link.  It doesn't say that there is a price on the web site, but it's
possible that it charges durring the installation process.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/soundforgepro

Amazon sells it for a little under $200, but that's not terribly bad
if you plan on doing a lot of audio editing that would make this a
long-term investment for you.

Another program to consider if $200 is beyond your budget now is
Reeper.  Admittedly I don't know a ton about this program and have not
used it myself, but I know a lot of blind people who do use it with
great success.

On 12/24/15, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning Miso and all,
> 	I have had great success with Foobar 2000. It may seem inaccessible
> at first glance, but once you create hot keys for all necessary actions, it
> is awesome. Let me know if I can help if you choose to use this software.
>
> Happy holidays!
> Kathryn Webster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:45 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Miso,
>
> Software can be expensive and I don't know how much you can pay for it.
> Sound Forge is a Sony product, so I would think you would buy it from Sony
> online or via phone.
> But there are less expensive and less fancy alternatives. You might try
> audacity which I know is free; its open source online. Also the software
> named goldwave might be able to edit files and delete portions of the files
> which is what you want.
> Goldwave is also a software online  and I think there is a free trial of
> it.
>
> I haven't used these softwares, but I heard they work with jaws.
>
> good luck.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miso Kwak
> Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Hello NABS,
> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>
> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate file.
> (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few minutes of the
> entire file) What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with JAWS 16?
> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
> Miso
>
>
>
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Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From kwakmiso at aol.com  Sat Dec 26 00:11:00 2015
From: kwakmiso at aol.com (Miso Kwak)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 19:11:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
In-Reply-To: <CAFja7FaEDrRLs8FJYvQY4OoxyUuefk5pA3ErtD_YuSfPSPUAfg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7FaEDrRLs8FJYvQY4OoxyUuefk5pA3ErtD_YuSfPSPUAfg@mail.gmail.com>
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Thank you to all those who replied.
I ended up using a software called mp3 direct cutter, which a friend of 
mine (not subscribed to this listserve) suggested.
However, I may look into the suggestions you all have given me down the 
road.

In regards to Audacity, I believe accessibility has been improving and 
there is apparently a listserve for blind Audacity users, but I don't 
think it's fully accessible.

--Miso Kwak

-----Original Message-----
From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2015 12:57 pm
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files

Audacity may or may not be accessible to you.  I used it a lot several
years ago, but I often had to stop using jaws and switch to a
magnifier program to do things like select and cut different portions
of the file.  The menues were basically the only accessible part of
it, and the built in hot keys for simple tasks like "record" "pause"
"play," etc.

I might look into using Sound Forge myself.  I was able to find this
link.  It doesn't say that there is a price on the web site, but it's
possible that it charges durring the installation process.
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/soundforgepro

Amazon sells it for a little under $200, but that's not terribly bad
if you plan on doing a lot of audio editing that would make this a
long-term investment for you.

Another program to consider if $200 is beyond your budget now is
Reeper.  Admittedly I don't know a ton about this program and have not
used it myself, but I know a lot of blind people who do use it with
great success.

On 12/24/15, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Good morning Miso and all,
> 	I have had great success with Foobar 2000. It may seem inaccessible
> at first glance, but once you create hot keys for all necessary 
actions, it
> is awesome. Let me know if I can help if you choose to use this 
software.
>
> Happy holidays!
> Kathryn Webster
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
> Bramlett
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:45 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Miso,
>
> Software can be expensive and I don't know how much you can pay for 
it.
> Sound Forge is a Sony product, so I would think you would buy it from 
Sony
> online or via phone.
> But there are less expensive and less fancy alternatives. You might 
try
> audacity which I know is free; its open source online. Also the 
software
> named goldwave might be able to edit files and delete portions of the 
files
> which is what you want.
> Goldwave is also a software online  and I think there is a free trial 
of
> it.
>
> I haven't used these softwares, but I heard they work with jaws.
>
> good luck.
> Ashley
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Miso Kwak
> Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>
> Hello NABS,
> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>
> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate 
file.
> (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few minutes of 
the
> entire file) What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with 
JAWS 16?
> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
> Miso
>
>
>
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University of Dayton-Music Therapy
President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"

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From jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 02:11:41 2015
From: jpolansky.nfb at gmail.com (Jason Polansky)
Date: Fri, 25 Dec 2015 21:11:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
In-Reply-To: <8D30D890963006F-15C4-440235@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com>
References: <CAFja7FaEDrRLs8FJYvQY4OoxyUuefk5pA3ErtD_YuSfPSPUAfg@mail.gmail.com>
	<8D30D890963006F-15C4-440235@webmail-vm170.sysops.aol.com>
Message-ID: <655DA680-5C75-4F04-8B97-1744A8D2F9B3@gmail.com>

I heard APH's studio recorder is supposed to be good. I haven't used it much myself, but I think it's inexpensive. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 25, 2015, at 7:11 PM, Miso Kwak via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you to all those who replied.
> I ended up using a software called mp3 direct cutter, which a friend of mine (not subscribed to this listserve) suggested.
> However, I may look into the suggestions you all have given me down the road.
> 
> In regards to Audacity, I believe accessibility has been improving and there is apparently a listserve for blind Audacity users, but I don't think it's fully accessible.
> 
> --Miso Kwak
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Kaiti Shelton <crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 25, 2015 12:57 pm
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
> 
> Audacity may or may not be accessible to you.  I used it a lot several
> years ago, but I often had to stop using jaws and switch to a
> magnifier program to do things like select and cut different portions
> of the file.  The menues were basically the only accessible part of
> it, and the built in hot keys for simple tasks like "record" "pause"
> "play," etc.
> 
> I might look into using Sound Forge myself.  I was able to find this
> link.  It doesn't say that there is a price on the web site, but it's
> possible that it charges durring the installation process.
> http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/download/trials/soundforgepro
> 
> Amazon sells it for a little under $200, but that's not terribly bad
> if you plan on doing a lot of audio editing that would make this a
> long-term investment for you.
> 
> Another program to consider if $200 is beyond your budget now is
> Reeper.  Admittedly I don't know a ton about this program and have not
> used it myself, but I know a lot of blind people who do use it with
> great success.
> 
>> On 12/24/15, Kathryn Webster via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Good morning Miso and all,
>>    I have had great success with Foobar 2000. It may seem inaccessible
>> at first glance, but once you create hot keys for all necessary
> actions, it
>> is awesome. Let me know if I can help if you choose to use this
> software.
>> 
>> Happy holidays!
>> Kathryn Webster
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ashley
>> Bramlett
>> via nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 1:45 AM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
>> Cc: Ashley Bramlett
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>> 
>> Miso,
>> 
>> Software can be expensive and I don't know how much you can pay for
> it.
>> Sound Forge is a Sony product, so I would think you would buy it from
> Sony
>> online or via phone.
>> But there are less expensive and less fancy alternatives. You might
> try
>> audacity which I know is free; its open source online. Also the
> software
>> named goldwave might be able to edit files and delete portions of the
> files
>> which is what you want.
>> Goldwave is also a software online  and I think there is a free trial
> of
>> it.
>> 
>> I haven't used these softwares, but I heard they work with jaws.
>> 
>> good luck.
>> Ashley
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Miso Kwak via nabs-l
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 23, 2015 6:34 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Miso Kwak
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Editing mp3 files
>> 
>> Hello NABS,
>> Hope everyone is having a nice winter break.
>> 
>> I am trying to cut out a segment of mp3 file and save it asa separate
> file.
>> (i.e., about 1 hour long mp3 and I want to keep just a few minutes of
> the
>> entire file) What is the best way to accomplish this on a PC with
> JAWS 16?
>> Thank you in advance for anyone's feedback.
>> Miso
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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> University of Dayton-Music Therapy
> President, Ohio Association of Blind Students 2013-Present
> Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
> Division 2015-2016
> 
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From bestca21 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 09:22:31 2015
From: bestca21 at gmail.com (Keight Best)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 01:22:31 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Trying to raise funds to advocate/community service
Message-ID: <CAJ=wgVpe6eM6W6Z9hkL5PMFG+t1nsjCaB4VsZE+WxJDm4xVbcw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello everyone,

I am trying to raise funds to promote disability awareness and
advocate for the blind/disabled around the world using the NFB
philosophy. My areas of focus as of right now are North America and
Asia. For my graduate programs cap stone project I am focusing on
blindness/disabilities in Asia and I would absolutely love to get the
opportunity to travel abroad and be a part of the community to get a
better understanding of the discrimination is, the policies in place
and how they can be fixed.

I obviously cannot do this without funds, so if you are unable to
donate I would greatly appreciate if you could pass the link to
friends and family. You are all wonderful people and I know the fight
for equal access is alive in the US, but let's see what else we can do
around the world, yes?

Here here is my link: https://www.gofundme.com/disabledworld




Thank you.
Cheers,
Caitlin
-- 
Caitlin Best
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/despairsray/


From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 13:19:35 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 08:19:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy holidays
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References: <0A74528F-F48C-4A5A-94F1-21D8512BC502@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <006701d13fe0$1138bbd0$33aa3370$@gmail.com>

Thanks Mikayla!
Happy holidays to you, too!

- Kathryn

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 24, 2015 11:16 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Mikayla Gephart
Subject: [nabs-l] Happy holidays

Hi, all,
I just wanted to wish everybody a happy holiday. Enjoy being off school, and
spending time with family and friends.
Best,
Mikayla

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 17:26:10 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 09:26:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
Message-ID: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in 
January, but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to 
disclose on a public forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.  
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas


From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 17:52:33 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (Nesma Aly)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 12:52:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
References: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <98A2D813-5952-4A86-9828-B2B059CA319B@gmail.com>

Hi, as far as I know the answer to your question is no. I think you have to be there in person s

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2015, at 12:26, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.  Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From mjc59 at comcast.net  Sat Dec 26 18:10:04 2015
From: mjc59 at comcast.net (mjc59 at comcast.net)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 18:10:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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From kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com  Sat Dec 26 18:24:17 2015
From: kathrynwebster.nfb at gmail.com (Kathryn Webster)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:24:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
References: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
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Vejas,
  We'll miss you this year. We are working on getting the Winter Seminar streamed from 9-12 on Monday morning, January 25.
As for meetings with your reps, continuous contact is always nice. Making calls and sending emails regarding our legislative agenda proceeding Washington seminar, in order to stay on their radar, is very helpful and influential.
Thanks for asking; and I'm happy to help if further clarification is needed.
Best,
Kathryn 
 

Kathryn C. Webster
(203) 273-8463
Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2015, at 12:26 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.  Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
> _______________________________________________
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Sat Dec 26 18:28:23 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
References: <567ecdc5.6661420a.a30cc.45b2@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS285B56451CA3A9C8BAF7B89BAF90@phx.gbl>

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
participate by phone before. I know the national convention along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
listen. But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention. However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
to attend Washington Seminar. 

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar. In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
Seminar. I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
Seminar. 

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
board with our legislative efforts. Following up with members of Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.  
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Sun Dec 27 01:50:10 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 17:50:10 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
Message-ID: <567f43e5.9308620a.ff457.64ce@mx.google.com>

Thank you all so much for your answers.
I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of 
Congress.  I just have a few more questions:
What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should 
have equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing 
to our congresspeople, or is there something else?
My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly 
good at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB 
Law Program as a teen that even when you talk to your 
congresspeople in person, they may just completely forget about 
the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I would 
imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more 
difficult.
Thank you so much.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
could
participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other 
people can
listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention 
be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as 
state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps 
this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being 
able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington 
Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are 
not able
to attend Washington Seminar.

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington 
Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before 
other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.  
In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for 
Washington
Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington 
Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and 
contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during 
Washington
Seminar.

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington 
Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during 
Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of 
Congress on
board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding 
job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington 
Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for 
students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in 
January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public 
forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Sun Dec 27 04:42:59 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 22:42:59 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <567f43e5.9308620a.ff457.64ce@mx.google.com>
References: <567f43e5.9308620a.ff457.64ce@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <D527546E-4811-4E20-A17B-738A7FF14C55@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Hey Vejas, we are pushing the elimination of subminimum wages for people with disabilities (the Time Act) Guidelines on accessibility in higher education (AM-HEA, pronounced Aim High), allowing veterans who were disabled in the line of service to get to fly on military air craft for free if there is space available just as other retired veterans get to (Space Available), and the treaty that would allow sharing of accessible books between different countries (Marrakesh Treaty). There will be fact sheets up on the web sometime as we get closer to Washington Seminar and you can get way better email material then. 

As far as responsiveness, as long as you include the bill number, staffers count how many contacts they get in support and against the legislation so even if you don't get a direct response, you'll still be helping out the cause. 

You should also talk to your state legislative director and see if there's anything you can do to help out if you are interested in this stuff and help the legislative committee as well if you aren't already. 

Feel free to reach out to me personally if you'd like more info. 

Best regards
Derek Manners
Legislative Director, Massachusetts. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 26, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you all so much for your answers.
> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.  I just have a few more questions:
> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is there something else?
> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
> Thank you so much.
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
> participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
> state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
> listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
> participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
> convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
> student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
> be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
> participate via phone.
> 
> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
> Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
> efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
> to attend Washington Seminar.
> 
> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
> would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
> of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.  In general,
> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
> contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
> Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
> your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
> information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
> Seminar.
> 
> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
> as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
> board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
> after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
> something you are interested in doing.
> 
> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
> are not able to attend this year.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hi All,
> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
> now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
> make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
> with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Sun Dec 27 23:39:43 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:39:43 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>

Hi,
Who should I contact from the NFB about web site accessibility? The Greyhound web site and mobile app are completely not accessible, and I’ve contacted Greyhound but nothing has been done.
Ian

From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 27 23:49:24 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:49:24 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <080401d14101$387f88f0$a97e9ad0$@gmail.com>

If you have a center for independent living in yourarea, that may be a
start.  You could also call the nfb main number which I need to look up in
ordre to tel you.
 Justin

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites

Hi,
Who should I contact from the NFB about web site accessibility? The
Greyhound web site and mobile app are completely not accessible, and I've
contacted Greyhound but nothing has been done.
Ian
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Sun Dec 27 23:59:13 2015
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen G)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 18:59:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
In-Reply-To: <080401d14101$387f88f0$a97e9ad0$@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>
	<080401d14101$387f88f0$a97e9ad0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D35445A-61D5-4111-92E3-01A2F66564A6@gmail.com>

Hi,

At National Convention, A resolution was passed regarding the accessibility of Greyhound. I am pasting it below.

Resolution 2015-25
Regarding Discriminatory Practices of Greyhound Lines Inc.

WHEREAS, the lack of access to public transportation is one of the greatest barriers preventing blind people from living the lives they want and from full participation in all aspects of community life; and

WHEREAS, according to Greyhound Lines Inc., it is the largest intercity bus transportation provider, serving more than 3,800 destinations in North America and 18 million passengers each year; and

WHEREAS, Greyhound should serve as a valuable asset to blind travelers but fails to do so because of its policies and practices that create barriers to using its services; and

WHEREAS, Greyhound’s website is generally inaccessible to blind passengers who use screen-access software to acquire information from desktop or mobile operating systems; and

WHEREAS, field labels for graphical icons are rarely present, making it all but impossible for blind people to retrieve current and frequently updated information posted on this website; and

WHEREAS, the Greyhound (US) app for iOS is not at all accessible with Apple’s VoiceOver, the gesture-based screen reader that has been developed for blind users; and

WHEREAS, buying a ticket online or through a phone app is now an impossible task for most blind passengers; and

WHEREAS, blind passengers, unlike their sighted peers, are denied the time-saving convenience of presenting a printed ticket at boarding and are forced to work with a ticket agent at the station; and

WHEREAS, fares from Greyhound’s automated phone booking system are $10 higher than fares from the inaccessible online booking system, and this $10 charge is not waived for blind passengers; and

WHEREAS, its website touts Greyhound’s services for persons with disabilities, yet fails even to mention nonvisual access to websites and apps: Now, therefore,

BE IT RESOLVED by the National Federation of the Blind in Convention assembled this ninth day of July, 2015, in the City of Orlando, Florida, that this organization demand that Greyhound Lines Inc. immediately end its discriminatory practices by making all of its online and mobile services accessible to blind passengers who use screen-access technology.


Hope this helps.
Cullen
> On Dec 27, 2015, at 6:49 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> If you have a center for independent living in yourarea, that may be a
> start.  You could also call the nfb main number which I need to look up in
> ordre to tel you.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Ian Perrault
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:40 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Ian Perrault <iperrault at hotmail.com>
> Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
> 
> Hi,
> Who should I contact from the NFB about web site accessibility? The
> Greyhound web site and mobile app are completely not accessible, and I've
> contacted Greyhound but nothing has been done.
> Ian
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From iperrault at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 28 00:04:37 2015
From: iperrault at hotmail.com (Ian Perrault)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 19:04:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
In-Reply-To: <2D35445A-61D5-4111-92E3-01A2F66564A6@gmail.com>
References: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl><080401d14101$387f88f0$a97e9ad0$@gmail.com>
	<2D35445A-61D5-4111-92E3-01A2F66564A6@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <BLU175-DS699E55129525F6AD09C02BFFB0@phx.gbl>


            Thanks! Did the NFB send this to Greyhound? Because nothing has 
been done yet on either the web site or the mobile app!! 



From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 28 01:43:49 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <567f43e5.9308620a.ff457.64ce@mx.google.com>
References: <567f43e5.9308620a.ff457.64ce@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS327A0D42CE03605504C060BBAFB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Vejas,

If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
usually posted sometime in mid-January. There are usually several
announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
sheets become available. The fact sheets contain information you can use
when contacting members of Congress.

When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
mentioned in my correspondence with them. However, there are generally
address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.

When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
receive a response to my email. However, I always used subject lines that
indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
number in the subject line. So even when someone did not read or respond to
my email, they still knew why I was writing them. 

If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
perhaps you could call their office instead. The person you talk to on the
phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
support on any legislative issue.

One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
the use of Twitter. Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
NFB. Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person. I
am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.

I hope this helps answers your questions. However, I would be more than
happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
Seminar.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth







-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Thank you all so much for your answers.
I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
I just have a few more questions:
What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
there something else?
My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
Thank you so much.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
to attend Washington Seminar.

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.  
In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
Seminar.

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 04:59:12 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:59:12 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
Message-ID: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>

When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy 
the information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
information in your own words?
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
Seminar are
usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually 
several
announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the 
fact
sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you 
can use
when contacting members of Congress.

When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the 
contact form
located on his website, I received a response from someone in his 
office
indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues 
I
mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are 
generally
address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
correspondence from
constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to 
go through.

When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
provided to
me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did 
not
receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject 
lines that
indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by 
mentioning the bill
number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or 
respond to
my email, they still knew why I was writing them.

If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
Congress,
perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk 
to on the
phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling 
about, but
they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note 
of your
support on any legislative issue.

One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
email is
the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use 
of Twitter
in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative 
issues of the
NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use 
Twitter to
thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington 
Seminar.
So this is something else you could do to help support the 
legislative
efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in 
person.  I
am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might 
actually be in
promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little 
action in
gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be 
helpful.

I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be 
more than
happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding 
Washington
Seminar.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth







-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Thank you all so much for your answers.
I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of 
Congress.
I just have a few more questions:
What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
that there
is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal 
minimum
wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
congresspeople, or is
there something else?
My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly 
good at
answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law 
Program as a teen
that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they 
may just
completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow 
through, so I
would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more 
difficult.
Thank you so much.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
could
participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other 
people can
listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention 
be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as 
state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps 
this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being 
able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington 
Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are 
not able
to attend Washington Seminar.

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington 
Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before 
other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for 
Washington
Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington 
Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and 
contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during 
Washington
Seminar.

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington 
Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during 
Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of 
Congress on
board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding 
job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington 
Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for 
students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of 
Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in 
January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public 
forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Mon Dec 28 05:27:00 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 00:27:00 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>
References: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>

Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should sound and
be authentic.
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the information in
your own words?
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually several
announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you can use
when contacting members of Congress.

When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are generally
address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.

When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject lines that
indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or respond to
my email, they still knew why I was writing them.

If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk to on the
phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
support on any legislative issue.

One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person.  I
am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.

I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more than
happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
Seminar.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth







-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Thank you all so much for your answers.
I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
I just have a few more questions:
What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
there something else?
My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
Thank you so much.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
to attend Washington Seminar.

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
Seminar.

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Mon Dec 28 06:16:15 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 00:16:15 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>
References: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>
	<002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FDC7D396-DFBE-4D4F-A53B-F8A69F42904F@jd16.law.harvard.edu>

Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who would be directly affected by the law. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should sound and
> be authentic.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the information in
> your own words?
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
> usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually several
> announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
> sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you can use
> when contacting members of Congress.
> 
> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
> located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
> indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
> mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are generally
> address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
> constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.
> 
> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
> me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
> receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject lines that
> indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
> number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or respond to
> my email, they still knew why I was writing them.
> 
> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
> perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk to on the
> phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
> they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
> support on any legislative issue.
> 
> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
> the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
> in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
> NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
> thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
> So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
> efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person.  I
> am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
> promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
> gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.
> 
> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more than
> happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
> Seminar.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Thank you all so much for your answers.
> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
> I just have a few more questions:
> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
> is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
> wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
> there something else?
> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
> answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
> that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
> completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
> would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
> Thank you so much.
> Vejas
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hello Vejas,
> 
> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
> participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
> state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
> listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
> participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
> convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
> student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
> be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
> participate via phone.
> 
> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
> Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
> efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
> to attend Washington Seminar.
> 
> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
> would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
> of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
> In general,
> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
> contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
> Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
> your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
> information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
> Seminar.
> 
> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
> as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
> board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
> after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
> something you are interested in doing.
> 
> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
> are not able to attend this year.
> 
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Hi All,
> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
> now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
> make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
> with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From ALewis at nfb.org  Mon Dec 28 13:08:22 2015
From: ALewis at nfb.org (Lewis, Anil)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 13:08:22 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites
In-Reply-To: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU175-DS83A24CDA34D1427228275BFFA0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <CY1PR07MB15267312EC9225FA4200636BC1FB0@CY1PR07MB1526.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Ian:

I will be talking with Greyhound soon. I will keep you informed on our progress, and may need to call on you to assist with user testing in the near future.

Anil


Mr. Anil Lewis, M.P.A.
Executive Director 
(410) 659-9314 ext. 2374 
Twitter: @AnilLife 


-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 6:40 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students
Cc: Ian Perrault
Subject: [nabs-l] Web Sites

Hi,
Who should I contact from the NFB about web site accessibility? The Greyhound web site and mobile app are completely not accessible, and I've contacted Greyhound but nothing has been done.
Ian
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From mausbun at unr.edu  Mon Dec 28 19:54:50 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:54:50 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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	One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
First Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
Cc: Derek Manners
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who would be directly affected by the law.

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should sound and
> be authentic.
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>
> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the information in
> your own words?
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
> usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually several
> announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
> sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you can use
> when contacting members of Congress.
>
> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
> located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
> indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
> mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are generally
> address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
> constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.
>
> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
> me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
> receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject lines that
> indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
> number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or respond to
> my email, they still knew why I was writing them.
>
> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
> perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk to on the
> phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
> they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
> support on any legislative issue.
>
> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
> the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
> in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
> NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
> thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
> So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
> efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person.  I
> am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
> promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
> gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>
> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more than
> happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
> Seminar.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>
> Thank you all so much for your answers.
> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
> I just have a few more questions:
> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
> is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
> wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
> there something else?
> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
> answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
> that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
> completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
> would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
> Thank you so much.
> Vejas
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>
> Hello Vejas,
>
> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
> participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
> state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
> listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
> participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
> convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
> student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
> be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
> participate via phone.
>
> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
> Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
> efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
> to attend Washington Seminar.
>
> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
> would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
> of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
> In general,
> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
> contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
> Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
> your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
> information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
> Seminar.
>
> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
> as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
> board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
> after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
> something you are interested in doing.
>
> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
> are not able to attend this year.
>
> Warm regards,
> Elizabeth
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>
> Hi All,
> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
> now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
> make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
> with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
>
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Mon Dec 28 20:06:01 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 15:06:01 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Hi all,
Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year, but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one sentence response from them. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>    One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students
> First Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Derek Manners
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who would be directly affected by the law.
> 
> Best regards
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should sound and
>> be authentic.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the information in
>> your own words?
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
>> usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually several
>> announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
>> sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you can use
>> when contacting members of Congress.
>> 
>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
>> located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
>> indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
>> mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are generally
>> address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
>> constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.
>> 
>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
>> me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
>> receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject lines that
>> indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
>> number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or respond to
>> my email, they still knew why I was writing them.
>> 
>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
>> perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk to on the
>> phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
>> they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
>> support on any legislative issue.
>> 
>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
>> the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
>> in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
>> NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
>> thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>> So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
>> efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person.  I
>> am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
>> promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
>> gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>> 
>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more than
>> happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
>> Seminar.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
>> I just have a few more questions:
>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
>> is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
>> wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
>> there something else?
>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
>> answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
>> that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
>> completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
>> would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
>> participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
>> state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
>> listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
>> participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
>> convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
>> student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
>> be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
>> participate via phone.
>> 
>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
>> Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
>> efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
>> to attend Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
>> would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
>> of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>> In general,
>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
>> contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
>> Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
>> your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
>> information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
>> Seminar.
>> 
>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
>> as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
>> board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
>> after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
>> something you are interested in doing.
>> 
>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
>> are not able to attend this year.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
>> now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
>> make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
>> with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> nabs-l mailing list
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 28 20:33:37 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 15:33:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
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Hello Vejas,

I think this is a great question. As other people have already indicated, it
is usually best to put things in your own words using the information
provided on the fact sheets. I consider the fact sheets to be more of an
outline of the main ideas that needs to be filled in with personal examples
and details that support these main ideas. I think the facts take on more
meaning when you can find a way to make them personal by putting things in
your own words.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth




-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the
information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the information in
your own words?
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'" 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington Seminar are
usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are usually several
announcements posted to email lists and Twitter accounts when the fact
sheets become available.  The fact sheets contain information you can use
when contacting members of Congress.

When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact form
located on his website, I received a response from someone in his office
indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative issues I
mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there are generally
address filters attached to these forms that only allow correspondence from
constituents, or people living in the Congressional district, to go through.

When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses provided to
me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I generally did not
receive a response to my email.  However, I always used subject lines that
indicated support for a specific piece of legislation by mentioning the bill
number in the subject line.  So even when someone did not read or respond to
my email, they still knew why I was writing them.

If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of Congress,
perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person you talk to on the
phone may not know much about the specific issue you are calling about, but
they can reassure you that the member of Congress will take note of your
support on any legislative issue.

One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your email is
the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of the use of Twitter
in thanking members of Congress who support the legislative issues of the
NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some state affiliates use Twitter to
thank members of Congress for meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
So this is something else you could do to help support the legislative
efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be there in person.  I
am honestly not quite sure how effective using Twitter might actually be in
promoting legislative issues, but I would imagine every little action in
gaining support for the legislative  issues of the NFB would be helpful.

I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more than
happy to answer any additional questions you might have regarding Washington
Seminar.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth







-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Thank you all so much for your answers.
I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of Congress.
I just have a few more questions:
What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know that there
is the one bill that people with disabilities should have equal minimum
wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our congresspeople, or is
there something else?
My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good at
answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program as a teen
that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, they may just
completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't follow through, so I
would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact would be more difficult.
Thank you so much.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hello Vejas,

I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you could
participate by phone before.  I know the national convention along with some
state affiliates will stream the convention online so other people can
listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at a convention be able to
participate and interact with specific events and activities at a
convention.  However, I do know some state affiliates as well as state
student divisions hold meetings via conference call, so perhaps this might
be what you are talking about when talking about people being able to
participate via phone.

I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with members of
Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington Seminar.
However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the legislative
efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact you are not able
to attend Washington Seminar.

In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, I
would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other members
of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
In general,
there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in charge of
contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments for Washington
Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for Washington Seminar in
your state they should be able to provide you with the names and contact
information for the people they will be meeting with during Washington
Seminar.

Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is just
as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington Seminar.
Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress on
board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of Congress
after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but rewarding job if it is
something you are interested in doing.

Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year since you
are not able to attend this year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth



-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas
Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi All,
I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, but I
now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public forum.
My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you couldn't
make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and meetings
with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
Thanks,
Vejas

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Mon Dec 28 20:40:14 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 15:40:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
In-Reply-To: <92BAE524-D55B-41E0-B980-1FF17B8A9CAC@icloud.com>
References: <5680c1b4.49e9420a.e1a7f.6353@mx.google.com>	<002101d14130$6117f250$2347d6f0$@gmail.com>	<FDC7D396-DFBE-4D4F-A53B-F8A69F42904F@jd16.law.harvard.edu>	<79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0126F2DE@UBOX3.unr.edu>
	<92BAE524-D55B-41E0-B980-1FF17B8A9CAC@icloud.com>
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS182CCBB627EE5E48B4574B7BAFB0@phx.gbl>

Hello Mikayla,

It is always great to see people follow up with members of Congress after
Washington Seminar as this can be something that can be easily overlooked. I
believe your lack of a response from legislative assistants is rather
common. The only time I have received a response was when I contacted my
Congressional Representative shortly before Washington Seminar using the
contact form on his website. Otherwise, I generally do not receive a
response either.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Mikayla Gephart
via nabs-l
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2015 3:06 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Mikayla Gephart <mikgephart at icloud.com>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question

Hi all,
Since we are on the topic, I have a question for all of you. When you write
to a legislative assistant, it seems like they never respond. Is that how
you all feel? They all seemed so supportive at Washington Seminar last year,
but when I follow up, they never even respond. I would not even mind a one
sentence response from them. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 2:54 PM, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
>    One of the nifty things, in my opinion, about writing your senators in
this capacity, is that we all have plenty of relatability to the subject
matter being discussed. Therefore, it ought to be, if not easy, then
entertaining, to script a relatable, and passionate letter. If you want
anyone to look over your message before you send it to your congressional
representatives, feel free to send it my way; I would be more than happy to
read it over, and, if necessary, offer suggestions!
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
> Board Member, National Association of Blind Students First 
> Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Derek Manners 
> via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 10:16 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list
> Cc: Derek Manners
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
> 
> Also, I interjected personal stories about myself or people I know who
would be directly affected by the law.
> 
> Best regards
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 27, 2015, at 11:27 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Keep the facts straight, but do them in your own words; it should 
>> sound and be authentic.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Sunday, December 27, 2015 11:59 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> When you wrote to your congresspeople, did you just simply copy the 
>> information from the fact sheets? Or did you paraphrase the 
>> information in your own words?
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sun, 27 Dec 2015 20:43:49 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> If I recall correctly, I believe the fact sheets for Washington 
>> Seminar are usually posted sometime in mid-January.  There are 
>> usually several announcements posted to email lists and Twitter 
>> accounts when the fact sheets become available.  The fact sheets 
>> contain information you can use when contacting members of Congress.
>> 
>> When I contacted my Congressional Representative using the contact 
>> form located on his website, I received a response from someone in 
>> his office indicating appreciation for my support for the legislative 
>> issues I mentioned in my correspondence with them.  However, there 
>> are generally address filters attached to these forms that only allow 
>> correspondence from constituents, or people living in the Congressional
district, to go through.
>> 
>> When I contacted members of Congress using the email addresses 
>> provided to me by my state affiliate legislative coordinator, I 
>> generally did not receive a response to my email.  However, I always 
>> used subject lines that indicated support for a specific piece of 
>> legislation by mentioning the bill number in the subject line.  So 
>> even when someone did not read or respond to my email, they still knew
why I was writing them.
>> 
>> If you prefer receiving feedback when contacting a member of 
>> Congress, perhaps you could call their office instead.  The person 
>> you talk to on the phone may not know much about the specific issue 
>> you are calling about, but they can reassure you that the member of 
>> Congress will take note of your support on any legislative issue.
>> 
>> One thing I thought of after posting my previous response to your 
>> email is the use of Twitter.  Recently, I have seen an increase of 
>> the use of Twitter in thanking members of Congress who support the 
>> legislative issues of the NFB.  Additionally, I have also seen some 
>> state affiliates use Twitter to thank members of Congress for meeting
with them during Washington Seminar.
>> So this is something else you could do to help support the 
>> legislative efforts of Washington Seminar if you are not able to be 
>> there in person.  I am honestly not quite sure how effective using 
>> Twitter might actually be in promoting legislative issues, but I 
>> would imagine every little action in gaining support for the legislative
issues of the NFB would be helpful.
>> 
>> I hope this helps answers your questions.  However, I would be more 
>> than happy to answer any additional questions you might have 
>> regarding Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 8:50 PM
>> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Thank you all so much for your answers.
>> I would be very interested in getting in touch with my members of
Congress.
>> I just have a few more questions:
>> What are the main issues that we are trying to get across? I know 
>> that there is the one bill that people with disabilities should have 
>> equal minimum wage.  Is this the only issue we are bringing to our 
>> congresspeople, or is there something else?
>> My next question is: do you find that most Congresspeople fairly good 
>> at answering their e-mails? I know from attending the NFB Law Program 
>> as a teen that even when you talk to your congresspeople in person, 
>> they may just completely forget about the bill or ignore it and don't 
>> follow through, so I would imagine that follow-up with e-mail contact
would be more difficult.
>> Thank you so much.
>> Vejas
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: Elizabeth Mohnke via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> To: "'National Association of Blind Students mailing list'"
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Date sent: Sat, 26 Dec 2015 13:28:23 -0500
>> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hello Vejas,
>> 
>> I have never heard of any national or state conventions where you 
>> could participate by phone before.  I know the national convention 
>> along with some state affiliates will stream the convention online so 
>> other people can listen.  But I have never seen people who are not at 
>> a convention be able to participate and interact with specific events 
>> and activities at a convention.  However, I do know some state 
>> affiliates as well as state student divisions hold meetings via 
>> conference call, so perhaps this might be what you are talking about 
>> when talking about people being able to participate via phone.
>> 
>> I think the only way a person can participate in meetings with 
>> members of Congress during Washington Seminar is by attending Washington
Seminar.
>> However, there are still ways you can have an impact on the 
>> legislative efforts that go on at Washington Seminar despite the fact 
>> you are not able to attend Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> In years past when I have not been able to attend Washington Seminar, 
>> I would write an email to my members of Congress shortly before other 
>> members of the NFB would be meeting with them during Washington Seminar.
>> In general,
>> there is usually a coordinator in each state affiliate who is in 
>> charge of contacting members of Congress to set up the appointments 
>> for Washington Seminar.  I am sure if you contact the coordinator for 
>> Washington Seminar in your state they should be able to provide you 
>> with the names and contact information for the people they will be 
>> meeting with during Washington Seminar.
>> 
>> Contacting members of Congress before and after Washington Seminar is 
>> just as important as meeting with members of Congress during Washington
Seminar.
>> Sometimes it can take a lot of follow up to get a member of Congress 
>> on board with our legislative efforts.  Following up with members of 
>> Congress after Washington Seminar can be a rather tedious but 
>> rewarding job if it is something you are interested in doing.
>> 
>> Anyway, I hope this helps answer your questions about Washington Seminar.
>> Attending Washington Seminar can sometimes be challenging for students.
>> Hopefully you will be able to attend Washington Seminar next year 
>> since you are not able to attend this year.
>> 
>> Warm regards,
>> Elizabeth
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Vejas 
>> Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
>> Sent: Saturday, December 26, 2015 12:26 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Washington Seminar Question
>> 
>> Hi All,
>> I was very interested in going to the Washington Seminar in January, 
>> but I now can't, due to reasons I do not wish to disclose on a public
forum.
>> My question is this: I know that for the NFB conventions, if you 
>> couldn't make it to meetings, you could still do it by phone.
>> Does anyone know if you could still have state appointments and 
>> meetings with your affiliate by phone and still participate?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
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From gallagher123123 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 00:08:41 2015
From: gallagher123123 at gmail.com (Cullen G)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:08:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Convention Hotel rooms
Message-ID: <0360E433-BDB3-4F40-A793-58F59A22C89B@gmail.com>

Hi fellow Nabs members,
I will soon be booking my room for the 2016 convention at Rosen Shinglecreak. I was wondering if anyone stayed there a few years ago when the convention with toasted there, and if you got a triple or quad room, what was it like? Just wondering as I will likely be traveling with other people. Any information you can give is appreciated . 
Thanks,
Cullen

From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 01:10:08 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:10:08 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Convention Hotel rooms
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Hey Cullen!

I believe information and descriptions of the rooms are available on nfb.org/convention. Hope that helps! 

Meaghan Roper 



> On Dec 28, 2015, at 7:08 PM, Cullen G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow Nabs members,
> I will soon be booking my room for the 2016 convention at Rosen Shinglecreak. I was wondering if anyone stayed there a few years ago when the convention with toasted there, and if you got a triple or quad room, what was it like? Just wondering as I will likely be traveling with other people. Any information you can give is appreciated . 
> Thanks,
> Cullen
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From dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu  Tue Dec 29 01:31:31 2015
From: dmanners at jd16.law.harvard.edu (Derek Manners)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 19:31:31 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Convention Hotel rooms
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Cullen, also be sure to apply for the Jernigan scholarship since you've never been to convention before. 

Best regards
Derek Manners

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Cullen G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi fellow Nabs members,
> I will soon be booking my room for the 2016 convention at Rosen Shinglecreak. I was wondering if anyone stayed there a few years ago when the convention with toasted there, and if you got a triple or quad room, what was it like? Just wondering as I will likely be traveling with other people. Any information you can give is appreciated . 
> Thanks,
> Cullen
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From kcj21 at bellsouth.net  Tue Dec 29 02:37:09 2015
From: kcj21 at bellsouth.net (kcj21)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 02:37:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [nabs-l] Editing Website
References: <1031389372.4189658.1451356629324.JavaMail.yahoo.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1031389372.4189658.1451356629324.JavaMail.yahoo@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello all,     A couple of weeks ago, someone on this list mentioned an accessible website where one can be paid to edit others' papers. Unfortunately, I cannot find the email with the website's name. I believe it was in a thread with the subject "blind in the sharing economy." If someone could give me the website name, I would appreciate it.
Best,Kaley

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec 29 02:53:56 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 20:53:56 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Roommate Needed for Washington Seminar
Message-ID: <auto-000045901211@mailfront2.g2host.com>

Michael Hingson of California is looking for a roommate for the 
Washington convention. He has a room reservation and is looking to 
cut costs.  You can reach him at:
"Michael Hingson" <mike at michaelhingson.com>

Dave




         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 06:22:45 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 22:22:45 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
Message-ID: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>

Hi All,
I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the 
FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with 
family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
Thanks.
Vejas


From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 06:55:29 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 01:55:29 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
In-Reply-To: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
References: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
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Yes; the fafsa is for student loans, if you want student loans, then you
must fill out the fafsa. 

Justin

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Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Hi All,
I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but
if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 06:56:07 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 01:56:07 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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I used the fafsa for student loans, but I had ssdi.  
Also, if you want work study, then that is apart of the fafsa as well.
 Justin

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Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:23 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas <alpineimagination at gmail.com>
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Hi All,
I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but
if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 06:57:54 2015
From: chelsea.peahl at hotmail.com (chelsea peahl)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 06:57:54 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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Yes, you still have to fill out fafsa if you want financial aid or loans. 

Chelsea Peahl

> On Dec 28, 2015, at 11:24 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
> 
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From zdreicer at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 06:58:02 2015
From: zdreicer at gmail.com (Zachary N. Griego-Dreicer)
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2015 23:58:02 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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You're still considered a dependent of your family until 24. There are certain states like Illinois where I'm at school where your address, not your parents', counts for tuition classification... But nonetheless I think you're still required to fill out fafsa. Check with your institution's financial aid office for further information.  

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> On Dec 28, 2015, at 23:22, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi All,
> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
> 
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Dec 29 08:05:03 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 01:05:03 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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Everyone has to fill out the fafsa. It is how the decide how much you get.
With ssi they would calculate your contribution required as zero.

Also, when i received ssi but still lived at home i did not qualify gor
financial aid die to parent's assets

Suzanne

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
> recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but
> if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
>
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 13:58:25 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 08:58:25 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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How did you afford school then; did you have scholarships?
Justin

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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Everyone has to fill out the fafsa. It is how the decide how much you get.
With ssi they would calculate your contribution required as zero.

Also, when i received ssi but still lived at home i did not qualify gor
financial aid die to parent's assets

Suzanne

On Monday, December 28, 2015, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hi All,
> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I 
> recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, 
> but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> Thanks.
> Vejas
>
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From minh.ha927 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 14:39:31 2015
From: minh.ha927 at gmail.com (minh ha)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 09:39:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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You always need to fill out the FAFSA if you want to receive federal
and or private aid. Even though you receive SSI as your own form of
income, you are still considered a dependent of your parents if you
live at home. Unless you are completely independent, meaning that you
have your own residence and take care of all of your expenses, your
parents income and assets still count when you are doing the FAFSA and
any other institutional financial aid forms.

Minh

On 12/29/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> How did you afford school then; did you have scholarships?
> Justin
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
> Germano
> via nabs-l
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:05 AM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
>
> Everyone has to fill out the fafsa. It is how the decide how much you get.
> With ssi they would calculate your contribution required as zero.
>
> Also, when i received ssi but still lived at home i did not qualify gor
> financial aid die to parent's assets
>
> Suzanne
>
> On Monday, December 28, 2015, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi All,
>> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
>> recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income,
>> but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
>> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
>> Thanks.
>> Vejas
>>
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"All men dream, but not equally. Those who dream by night in the dusty
recesses of their minds, wake in the day to find that it was vanity:
but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
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From sgermano at asu.edu  Tue Dec 29 14:59:06 2015
From: sgermano at asu.edu (Suzanne Germano)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 07:59:06 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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Voc Rehab paid for tuition and books. I was eligible for some loans.

I returned to school after many years to finish my BS in computer science
and graduated in Dec. I was receiving SSDI but my full tuition, books and
equipment (ZoomText, CCTV etc) above the Pell grant was covered by voc
rehab.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:39 AM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> You always need to fill out the FAFSA if you want to receive federal
> and or private aid. Even though you receive SSI as your own form of
> income, you are still considered a dependent of your parents if you
> live at home. Unless you are completely independent, meaning that you
> have your own residence and take care of all of your expenses, your
> parents income and assets still count when you are doing the FAFSA and
> any other institutional financial aid forms.
>
> Minh
>
> On 12/29/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > How did you afford school then; did you have scholarships?
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne
> > Germano
> > via nabs-l
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:05 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
> >
> > Everyone has to fill out the fafsa. It is how the decide how much you
> get.
> > With ssi they would calculate your contribution required as zero.
> >
> > Also, when i received ssi but still lived at home i did not qualify gor
> > financial aid die to parent's assets
> >
> > Suzanne
> >
> > On Monday, December 28, 2015, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
> >> recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income,
> >> but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> >> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> >> Thanks.
> >> Vejas
> >>
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>
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> but the dreamers of the day are dangerous men, for they may act on
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 16:24:14 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 11:24:14 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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Okay; I've filled out the fasfa every year during my recent master's degree,
but I didn't always use the loans.  I also had SSDI, but I of course didn't
live with my parents.  I was a dependent of my parents until I was 22, but I
had SSI on my first college run, though I didn't fill out a fasfa for that
one. I lived in the dorms, so living on campus might have made me elgible
for loans since I lived away from my families house; I don't know. I did not
get work study during my bachelors degree run because I didn't fill out the
fasfa, and during my first graduate program, I was working part time on
campus.  During my second college run; I was able to get loans, but not work
study.  

-----Original Message-----
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via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 9:59 AM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Voc Rehab paid for tuition and books. I was eligible for some loans.

I returned to school after many years to finish my BS in computer science
and graduated in Dec. I was receiving SSDI but my full tuition, books and
equipment (ZoomText, CCTV etc) above the Pell grant was covered by voc
rehab.

On Tue, Dec 29, 2015 at 7:39 AM, minh ha via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
wrote:

> You always need to fill out the FAFSA if you want to receive federal 
> and or private aid. Even though you receive SSI as your own form of 
> income, you are still considered a dependent of your parents if you 
> live at home. Unless you are completely independent, meaning that you 
> have your own residence and take care of all of your expenses, your 
> parents income and assets still count when you are doing the FAFSA and 
> any other institutional financial aid forms.
>
> Minh
>
> On 12/29/15, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> > How did you afford school then; did you have scholarships?
> > Justin
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Suzanne 
> > Germano via nabs-l
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:05 AM
> > To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> > Cc: Suzanne Germano <sgermano at asu.edu>
> > Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
> >
> > Everyone has to fill out the fafsa. It is how the decide how much 
> > you
> get.
> > With ssi they would calculate your contribution required as zero.
> >
> > Also, when i received ssi but still lived at home i did not qualify 
> > gor financial aid die to parent's assets
> >
> > Suzanne
> >
> > On Monday, December 28, 2015, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l < 
> > nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >
> >> Hi All,
> >> I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the 
> >> FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with 
> >> family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
> >> If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
> >> Thanks.
> >> Vejas
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 20:11:35 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:11:35 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Convention Hotel rooms
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Hi, 
I was wondering what that scholarship is and what the requirements are for it. My friend wants to come to the convention but he is afraid that he will not have enough money. I was wondering what the scholarship covers. 
Thanks, 
NesmaOn Dec 28, 2015, at 20:31, Derek Manners via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Cullen, also be sure to apply for the Jernigan scholarship since you've never been to convention before. 
> 
> Best regards
> Derek Manners
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 28, 2015, at 6:08 PM, Cullen G via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi fellow Nabs members,
>> I will soon be booking my room for the 2016 convention at Rosen Shinglecreak. I was wondering if anyone stayed there a few years ago when the convention with toasted there, and if you got a triple or quad room, what was it like? Just wondering as I will likely be traveling with other people. Any information you can give is appreciated . 
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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 20:19:33 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:19:33 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
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Hello Vejas,

As other people have already indicated, the FAFSA form is used to determine
financial aid such as loans, Pell grants, and work study opportunities. Some
colleges and universities may have additional financial aid opportunities
that is based on information from the FAFSA form. Some vocational
rehabilitation agencies will also require you to fill out the FAFSA form in
order to receive services from them to help pay for college related
expenses.

If I recall correctly, I do not believe the FAFSA considers SSI as a source
of income. However, if you just graduated from high school, you will most
likely be considered a dependent, and therefore will need information
regarding your parent's income when filling out the FAFSA form. The FAFSA
form explains who they consider as a dependent. The financial aid office at
your college or university would be a good place for you to go if you have
any further questions regarding financial aid. However, if you are currently
a student at the Louisiana Center for the Blind, the financial aid office at
Louisiana Tech should be able to answer any questions you might have about
the FAFSA form, but not any specific financial aid questions regarding the
college or university you will be attending back home.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

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Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Hi All,
I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the FAFSA? I
recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with family income, but
if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From lizmohnke at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 29 20:50:06 2015
From: lizmohnke at hotmail.com (Elizabeth Mohnke)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 15:50:06 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Information for the Jernigan Convention Scholarship
Message-ID: <COL401-EAS202BC2B317953C16973D2D3BAFC0@phx.gbl>

Hello Nesma,

I do not see an announcement regarding the Kenneth Jernigan Convention
Scholarship Fund in the January 2016 issue of the Braille Monitor.
Therefore, I am pasting the announcement for this program from the February
2015 issue of the Braille Monitor. I believe the general information for the
scholarship will be the same for this year as it was for last year. And if I
recall correctly, the due date for this scholarship is usually the same
every year.

Warm regards,
Elizabeth

 ------

Braille Monitor                                             February 2015

The Kenneth Jernigan Convention Scholarship Fund

>From the Editor: Allen Harris is the chairman of the Kenneth Jernigan Fund
Committee and was one of the people who came up with the idea of honoring
our former president and longtime leader by establishing a program to
promote attendance at the national convention, where so much inspiration and
learning occur. Here is Allen's announcement about the 2015 Kenneth Jernigan
Convention Scholarship Fund Program:

Have you always wanted to attend an NFB annual convention but have not done
so because of the lack of funds? The Kenneth Jernigan Convention Scholarship
Fund invites you to make an application for a scholarship grant. Perhaps
this July you too can be in the Rosen Centre Hotel in Orlando, Florida,
enjoying the many pleasures and learning opportunities at the largest and
most important yearly convention of blind people in the world.

The three biggest ticket items you need to cover when attending an NFB
national convention are the roundtrip transportation, the hotel room for a
week, and the food (which tends to be higher priced than at home). We
attempt to award additional funds to families, but, whether a family or an
individual is granted a scholarship, this fund can only help; it won't pay
all the costs. Last year most of the sixty grants were in the range of $400
to $500 per individual. 

We recommend that you find an NFB member as your personal convention mentor,
someone who has been to many national conventions and is able to share
money-saving tips with you and tips on navigating the extensive agenda in
the big hotel. Your mentor will help you get the most out of the amazing
experience that is convention week.

Who is eligible? 
 Active NFB members, blind or sighted, who have not yet attended an NFB
national convention because of lack of funding are eligible to apply.

How do I apply for funding assistance?
1.You write a letter giving your contact information, and your local NFB
information, your specific amount requested, and then explain why this is a
good investment for the NFB. The points to cover are listed below.
2.You contact your state president in person or by phone to request his or
her help in obtaining funding. Be sure to tell the president when to expect
your request letter by email, and mention the deadline.
3.You (or a friend) send your letter by email to your state president. He or
she must add a president's recommendation and then email both letters
directly to the Kenneth Jernigan Convention Scholarship Fund Committee. Your
president must forward the two letters no later than April 15, 2015.

Your letter to Chairperson Allen Harris must cover these points:
.Your full name, and all your telephone numbers and label them - cell phone,
home, office, other person (if any).
.Your mailing address and, if you have one, your email address.
.Your state affiliate and state president; your chapter and chapter
president, if you attend a chapter.
.Your personal convention mentor and provide that person's phone number.
.Your specific request: 

Explain how much money you need from this fund to make this trip possible
for you. We suggest you consult with other members to make a rough budget
for yourself. 
 The body of your letter should answer these questions: 
 How do you currently participate in the Federation? 
 Why do you want to attend a national convention? 
 What would you receive; what can you share or give? 
 You can include in your letter to the committee any special circumstances
you hope they will take into consideration.

When will I be notified that I am a winner? 
 If you are chosen to receive this scholarship, you will receive a letter
with convention details which should answer most of your questions. The
committee makes every effort to notify scholarship winners by May 15, but
you must do several things before that to be prepared to attend if you are
chosen.
1.Make your own hotel reservation. If something prevents you from attending,
you can cancel the reservation. (Yes, you may arrange for roommates of your
own to reduce the cost.)
2.Register online for the entire convention, including the banquet, by May
31. 
3.Find someone in your chapter or affiliate who has been to many conventions
and can answer your questions as a friend and advisor.
4.If you do not hear from the committee by May 15, then you did not win a
grant this year.

How will I receive my convention scholarship?
 At convention you will be given a debit card or credit card loaded with the
amount of your award. The times and locations to pick up your card will be
listed in the letter we sent you. The committee is not able to provide funds
before the convention, so work with your chapter and state affiliate to
assist you by obtaining an agreement to advance funds if you win a
scholarship and to pay your treasury back after you receive your debit or
credit card.
             
What if I have more questions? For additional information email the
chairman, Allen Harris, at <kjscholarships at nfb.org> or call his Baltimore,
Maryland, office at (410) 659-9314, x2415.


Above all, please use this opportunity to attend your first convention on
the national level and join several thousand active Federationists in the
most important meeting of the blind in the world. We hope to see you in
Orlando.





From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Dec 29 22:20:13 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:20:13 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
Message-ID: <B04EA91B-3880-4063-BE34-17005A01F1C7@icloud.com>

Hi,
I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.

From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Dec 29 22:32:41 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 22:32:41 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
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Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
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On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Dec 29 22:36:39 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:36:39 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
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Thank you, that is what we did to enter the code. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
> Joseph Hudson
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> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.
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From mikgephart at icloud.com  Tue Dec 29 22:40:31 2015
From: mikgephart at icloud.com (Mikayla Gephart)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:40:31 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
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My dad entered the code, but we were just wondering how many digits were supposed to be in the code incase there was faulty printing of the code or something.

Sent from my iPad

> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Thank you, that is what we did to enter the code. 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
>> Joseph Hudson
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>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.
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From jhud7789 at outlook.com  Tue Dec 29 22:43:26 2015
From: jhud7789 at outlook.com (Joseph Hudson)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 22:43:26 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
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On to be honest with you, I'm not sure how many digits are supposed to be in the card. Another question for Apple.
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On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:40 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

My dad entered the code, but we were just wondering how many digits were supposed to be in the code incase there was faulty printing of the code or something.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:36 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Thank you, that is what we did to enter the code.

Sent from my iPad

On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
Joseph Hudson
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On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:

Hi,
I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.
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From helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 22:45:02 2015
From: helga.schreiber26 at gmail.com (Helga Schreiber)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:45:02 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
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Hi, that happens to me once! I thought it was something wrong on it! Yah, have you tried asking someone to help you ot put the code? Or maybe are you sure that the gift card that you have is an iTunes gift card, and not an Apple Store gift card? Just wondering! If someone, puts the code manually and still does not work, that means that it is a Apple Store gift card, not an iTunes gift card! I recommend you go to your Apple Store and tel this ok? Hope this helps! Hope to hear form you soon. Thanks and God bless!

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> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:32 PM, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
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> 
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to download music. Thank you.
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From leyeshprintse at ymail.com  Tue Dec 29 22:59:02 2015
From: leyeshprintse at ymail.com (=?utf-8?Q?Leye-Shprintse_=C3=96berg?=)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 23:59:02 +0100
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
Message-ID: <41B24045-2935-4D20-8FAE-E99CD549129E@ymail.com>

BS'D

Hello everybody,

I have tried to find information about the cost of going to convention. I am not a NFB member; I am not even American, but I have wanted to experience a NFB convention since I was little because your view on Blindness speak to me more than the philosophy which the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired has. However, I wonder if someone will share their average cost and ideas for doing the convention on a budget? The big costs are travel, hotel and food; does the convention itself has any cost? How is it if you keep kosher, can you find kosher food? That was the questions for tonight.

LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone


LeSholom,
Leye-Shprintse Öberg
Suède
leyeshprintse at ymail.com
http://www.leyeshprintse.com
Envoyé de mon iPhone

From dandrews at visi.com  Tue Dec 29 23:14:47 2015
From: dandrews at visi.com (David Andrews)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:14:47 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
In-Reply-To: <41B24045-2935-4D20-8FAE-E99CD549129E@ymail.com>
References: <41B24045-2935-4D20-8FAE-E99CD549129E@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <auto-000046569990@mailfront1.g2host.com>

Well, your costs will depend in part on whether 
or not you share a hotel room, how much you spend 
on food etc.  The hotel rates and convention 
registration are published. If you share a room, 
for example, you can cut the hotel cost in 
half.  Food at convention hotels tends to be 
expensive, but there are ways to reduce this 
cost, if you need to do so.  It also depends on 
how many days you stay.  So you could spend 
anywhere from say $500 to $2000 or more.  There is also airfare of course.

Dave

At 04:59 PM 12/29/2015, Leye-Shprintse íberg via nabs-l wrote:
>BS'D Hello everybody, I have tried to find 
>information about the cost of going to 
>convention. I am not a NFB member; I am not even 
>American, but I have wanted to experience a NFB 
>convention since I was little because your view 
>on Blindness speak to me more than the 
>philosophy which the Swedish Association of the 
>Visually Impaired has. However, I wonder if 
>someone will share their average cost and ideas 
>for doing the convention on a budget? The big 
>costs are travel, hotel and food; does the 
>convention itself has any cost? How is it if you 
>keep kosher, can you find kosher food? That was 
>the questions for tonight. LeSholom, 
>Leye-Shprintse íberg Suède 
>leyeshprintse at ymail.com 
>http://www.leyeshprintse.com Envoyé de mon 
>iPhone LeSholom, Leye-Shprintse íberg Suède leyeshprintse at ymail.com

         David Andrews and long white cane Harry.
E-Mail:  dandrews at visi.com or david.andrews at nfbnet.org



From jfranks at nfbtx.org  Tue Dec 29 23:18:09 2015
From: jfranks at nfbtx.org (Jonathan Franks)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 17:18:09 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Itunes Problem
In-Reply-To: <BN3PR1201MB0964E2887FCBB140512E433FCEFC0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <B04EA91B-3880-4063-BE34-17005A01F1C7@icloud.com>
	<BN3PR1201MB0964E2887FCBB140512E433FCEFC0@BN3PR1201MB0964.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CAMuaAOK+dFb=V7-92-7LtZNEMgH8XG0y6EPfuW579ri9i=0qRw@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,
I am not sure if this suggestion has already been presented. If you
use your iDevice's camera to scan the code when you go to redeem it
through the iTunes store ap that might work in case the numbers were
entered incorrectly.

Hope this helps

Jonathan

On 12/29/15, Joseph Hudson via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hello, have you tried to having somebody manually enter the code?
> Joseph Hudson
> Email
> jhud7789 at gmail.com<mailto:jhud7789 at gmail.com>
> I device support
> Telephone
> 2543007667
> Skype
> joseph.hudson89 facebook
> https://www.facebook.com/joseph.hudson.9404
> Twitter
> https://twitter.com/josephhudson89
> FaceTime/iMessage
> jhud7789 at yahoo.com<mailto:jhud7789 at yahoo.com>
>
> On Dec 29, 2015, at 4:20 PM, Mikayla Gephart via nabs-l
> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org<mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>> wrote:
>
> Hi,
> I am at a loss. I got an Itunes store gift card, and tried to redeme it. It
> said the code is invalid. Anybody else had this experience? How many digits
> are suposed to be in the code. We are going on a trip tomorro, and I want to
> download music. Thank you.
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characteristic that defines you or your future. Every day we raise the
expectations of blind people, because low expectations create
obstacles between blind people  and our dreams. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back.


From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Tue Dec 29 23:20:23 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:20:23 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
In-Reply-To: <41B24045-2935-4D20-8FAE-E99CD549129E@ymail.com>
References: <41B24045-2935-4D20-8FAE-E99CD549129E@ymail.com>
Message-ID: <A8DB3F8D-A89B-41F8-A520-C932AF93EF27@gmail.com>

Hi there Leye,

Convention is definitely manageable on a budget. I flew there from Massachusets this past July, if you buy your tickets early enough, flights from Boston are very cheap. I believe I paid about $350 round trip, and most people can find them cheaper than that. The hotel is usually about $100 per night after taxes, and if you have roommates (generally up to 4 roommates in a room) you can pay around $25 a night for your room with room mates. You can expect to spend about $100 on food if you will be eating in the restaurant at all, and there are grocery stores within walking distance which would allow you to keep kosher. The other costs of convention include your registration fee which is usually $50-$60, and your banquet ticket which is around the same price I think. 

You can find all of this information and more on NFB's official site, (www.nfb.org/convention). 

I hope that helps. 

Meaghan 



> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> BS'D
> 
> Hello everybody,
> 
> I have tried to find information about the cost of going to convention. I am not a NFB member; I am not even American, but I have wanted to experience a NFB convention since I was little because your view on Blindness speak to me more than the philosophy which the Swedish Association of the Visually Impaired has. However, I wonder if someone will share their average cost and ideas for doing the convention on a budget? The big costs are travel, hotel and food; does the convention itself has any cost? How is it if you keep kosher, can you find kosher food? That was the questions for tonight.
> 
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> Suède
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
> 
> 
> LeSholom,
> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
> Suède
> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From bookwormahb at earthlink.net  Tue Dec 29 23:53:59 2015
From: bookwormahb at earthlink.net (Ashley Bramlett)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 18:53:59 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI
In-Reply-To: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
References: <568226ca.ee35420a.33146.71eb@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <DC9598A9A95644BABCDE26C3C59A6467@OwnerPC>

Vejas,

Yes you have to fill it out. Yes, the info you heard about family income is 
right.
Since you are young and still a dependent on your family income, financial 
assistance is definitely determined on your family income. True, you will 
have a little of your own income from SSI, but your family is still 
supporting you and paying for you to live with them.
When you become totally financially independent with your own housing and 
bills to pay, your parents will not have you as a dependent so their income 
then will not be a factor.
Not only is income a factor, but your family assets are as well; this means 
things like their savings and investments.
You and someone at home should fill out the form together because this is 
confidential information, and they are the best ones to not only know your 
family income and assets, but also keep your writing on the form 
confidential.

I would also think if you have questions on what to put on the form that 
your college financial aid office might be of help.

VR will probably pay for your school so you may not even need financial aid, 
and maybe your parents can chip in some too.

Good luck.

Ashley

-----Original Message----- 
From: Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 1:22 AM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org
Cc: Vejas Vasiliauskas
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial Aid and SSI

Hi All,
I get SSI and was wondering if I still needed to fill out the
FAFSA? I recall someone telling me that the FAFSA has to do with
family income, but if I get SSI then I would have my own income.
If anyone could clarify, I would really appreciate that.
Thanks.
Vejas

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From ligne14 at verizon.net  Tue Dec 29 23:05:34 2015
From: ligne14 at verizon.net (Sami Osborne)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:05:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions
Message-ID: <0O0500HL29LEM8F0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>

Hi all,

I recently downloaded the KNFB Reader app this Christmas and had 
a few things that I wanted to ask you guys.

 First, what would you recommend to be the best position of my 
arm and phone camera? I did turn on tilt guidance so that my 
phone would vibrate to guide me through the position of my camera 
to take the picture, and have tried many different things, but 
everything I do seems to be wrong...

Second, what do you find is the best document type for scanning 
documents - single-column or multi-column?

Third, can the app scan things that you don't have directly in 
front of you, such as a street sign or window display? That would 
be really nice, since you now wouldn't need to ask for sighted 
assistance when you're out and want to locate something.

Fourth, do you have to point your phone camera towards the top of 
the page or anywhere on the page?

I hope that you can answer my questions and will get back to you 
1if I think of any more.  I'm really excited about using this 
app, because it really sounds awesome.

Hope to hear from you soon and happy new year,

Sami


From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 01:42:30 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 20:42:30 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial aid and SSI
Message-ID: <CALEYb2ua=u_KaPaU9wD07wXPa7FMRjPfOgAkHcm+DazvqBbAvQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,

In addition to the other responses you've received, I would add that
it is never a bad idea to apply through the FAFSA because even if you
don't intend to take out loans or do work study, you will be able to
see what your options are.  Also, my VR requires me to complete the
FAFSA.  Now that I am in grad school and I am not a dependent of
someone else, my FAFSA is based off of my own income rather than that
of parents.

Best,

Sarah

-- 
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
Ball State University
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 01:46:23 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:46:23 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial aid and SSI
In-Reply-To: <CALEYb2ua=u_KaPaU9wD07wXPa7FMRjPfOgAkHcm+DazvqBbAvQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CALEYb2ua=u_KaPaU9wD07wXPa7FMRjPfOgAkHcm+DazvqBbAvQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEpB4bg0RqQJYpjo2+29rJfRY8WOsF8+i=Hq8qeuO2aio_32VA@mail.gmail.com>

FAFSA is an awesome idea!
I got Pell grants through them.
On a sidenote, Sarah, I have a degree in Behavioral Health Technology.

On 12/29/15, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Vejas,
>
> In addition to the other responses you've received, I would add that
> it is never a bad idea to apply through the FAFSA because even if you
> don't intend to take out loans or do work study, you will be able to
> see what your options are.  Also, my VR requires me to complete the
> FAFSA.  Now that I am in grad school and I am not a dependent of
> someone else, my FAFSA is based off of my own income rather than that
> of parents.
>
> Best,
>
> Sarah
>
> --
> Sarah K. Meyer
> Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
> Ball State University
> Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division
> Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
> sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
> (317)402-6632
>
> The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
> characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
> you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
> hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.
>
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-- 
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Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From kmaent1 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 02:16:17 2015
From: kmaent1 at gmail.com (Karl Martin Adam)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:16:17 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions
Message-ID: <56833e8d.88e80d0a.f5499.1e02@mx.google.com>

The camera has to be roughly centered.  The field of view report 
will help with this.  I've had some luck with signs and stuff, 
but only where it actually is right in front of me.  Generally 
they have very large lettering which means you need to back up 
several feet for the app to be able to read them.

 ----- Original Message -----
From: Sami Osborne via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org, blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Date sent: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 19:05:34 -0400
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions

Hi all,

I recently downloaded the KNFB Reader app this Christmas and had
a few things that I wanted to ask you guys.

 First, what would you recommend to be the best position of my
arm and phone camera? I did turn on tilt guidance so that my
phone would vibrate to guide me through the position of my camera
to take the picture, and have tried many different things, but
everything I do seems to be wrong...

Second, what do you find is the best document type for scanning
documents - single-column or multi-column?

Third, can the app scan things that you don't have directly in
front of you, such as a street sign or window display? That would
be really nice, since you now wouldn't need to ask for sighted
assistance when you're out and want to locate something.

Fourth, do you have to point your phone camera towards the top of
the page or anywhere on the page?

I hope that you can answer my questions and will get back to you
1if I think of any more.  I'm really excited about using this
app, because it really sounds awesome.

Hope to hear from you soon and happy new year,

Sami

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From bjduarte at asu.edu  Wed Dec 30 04:24:01 2015
From: bjduarte at asu.edu (Bryan Duarte)
Date: Tue, 29 Dec 2015 21:24:01 -0700
Subject: [nabs-l] Brailliant BI text selection
Message-ID: <685B5FC0-4D61-428B-B186-D91E9CC7049A@asu.edu>

Hello, there was a question posted a while back asking about how to select, cut, copy, paste text using the Brailliant BI40 refreshable Braille display. I am not sure if it was ever answered but in case it was not heres how to do it.

1. navigate to the beginning of the string of text you wish to select. 
2. press dots 2, 5, 6 keys along with the spacebar and it will begin selecting text.
3. then use the navigation method you wish to use to select text. you can do a character, word,  or line selection.
4. if you then use the copy command (dots 1, 4 plus the spacebar, or the cut command dots 1, 3, 4, 6 plus the spacebar it should cut the text to the clip board. 

to paste your text use the paste command, dots 1, 2, 3, 6 plus the spacebar

if you wish to select the entire page as in a select all press the dots 2, 3, 5, 6 plus the spacebar and it will highlight all the text then you can either copy or cut the text. 

If you wish to deselect the text you have highlighted press dots 2, 3, 5 plus the spacebar and it will deselect the test you have selected.

I hope this helps and if this question has already been answered I apologize and wish you a happy New Year!!!;)

Go Devils!

Bryan Duarte
Software Engineering Graduate student
ASU Fulton Engineering College
QwikEyes CEO


From mausbun at unr.edu  Wed Dec 30 05:58:25 2015
From: mausbun at unr.edu (Michael D Ausbun)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 05:58:25 +0000
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions
In-Reply-To: <0O0500HL29LEM8F0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
References: <0O0500HL29LEM8F0@vms173021.mailsrvcs.net>
Message-ID: <79E0714D132BCB43A4B18D328D9A445B0126FA96@UBOX3.unr.edu>

Dear Sami,
(1)	I find the best position for both your arm and the phone camera is parallel to the desk or table, where the paper or document is being scanned. These levels out the text, which then allows the optimal character recognition (OCR) software to function most accurately. Additionally, I find if you hold the phone one foot, or approximately that, off the flat surface, you should be able to capture the entire document at once. Additionally, if you place the pone in the center of the page then raise it to the height suggested, results are much better, as all four corners are usually captured. I found that instead of using the tilt-guidance, the field-of-view report, located on the right half of the screen in the middle, was much more effective.
(2)	This really depends on the types of documents you will be scanning. If, for example, the document being scanned is a simple print out or document received from Social security, single column will work brilliantly. However, if the document is from a professor, from either a book or online journal that they have printed for your entire class, two-column will work better. Similarly, if you are doing a book, two-column would be better, as you could take a picture of both sides of the book-pages, without having to worry about blocking one side or the other. This is because it distinguishes the text-break or middle of the book as a separate page, then translates it as such.
(3)	Karl is correct here, and, I will add that the application will only translate whatever is captured in the photo. If part of the sign is out of the photo, for example, it will be left out of the translation, with only part of the text being included.
(4)	Depends where the text on the page is located. If you want to be safe, use the middle of the document as the reference point, and raise the phone about a foot or so from the page. This way, you should capture the entire document.

I hope this has helped in some way. If you have any further questions, please feel free to write me either on or off list (as this is a topic that could potentially benefit multiple people).
Respectfully,
Michael Ausbun
KNFB liaison, Nevada
Board member, National Association of Blind Students
First Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
Man of Many Hats, National Federation of the Blind

________________________________________
From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] on behalf of Sami Osborne via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org]
Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:05 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindtlk at nfbnet.org
Cc: Sami Osborne
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions

Hi all,

I recently downloaded the KNFB Reader app this Christmas and had
a few things that I wanted to ask you guys.

 First, what would you recommend to be the best position of my
arm and phone camera? I did turn on tilt guidance so that my
phone would vibrate to guide me through the position of my camera
to take the picture, and have tried many different things, but
everything I do seems to be wrong...

Second, what do you find is the best document type for scanning
documents - single-column or multi-column?

Third, can the app scan things that you don't have directly in
front of you, such as a street sign or window display? That would
be really nice, since you now wouldn't need to ask for sighted
assistance when you're out and want to locate something.

Fourth, do you have to point your phone camera towards the top of
the page or anywhere on the page?

I hope that you can answer my questions and will get back to you
1if I think of any more.  I'm really excited about using this
app, because it really sounds awesome.

Hope to hear from you soon and happy new year,

Sami

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From nesmaaly123 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 20:19:54 2015
From: nesmaaly123 at gmail.com (nesma aly)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 15:19:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions
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hi all, 
I just downloaded the KNFB reader on my android phone. I was wondering if anyone has used both android and IPHone for the same app? Do they work differently, is one better than the other? I am wondering because I am currently running the free trial on my LGG3 and was wondering which device to get the full version on? 
Thanks, 
Nesma
> On Dec 30, 2015, at 00:58, Michael D Ausbun via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Dear Sami,
> (1)	I find the best position for both your arm and the phone camera is parallel to the desk or table, where the paper or document is being scanned. These levels out the text, which then allows the optimal character recognition (OCR) software to function most accurately. Additionally, I find if you hold the phone one foot, or approximately that, off the flat surface, you should be able to capture the entire document at once. Additionally, if you place the pone in the center of the page then raise it to the height suggested, results are much better, as all four corners are usually captured. I found that instead of using the tilt-guidance, the field-of-view report, located on the right half of the screen in the middle, was much more effective.
> (2)	This really depends on the types of documents you will be scanning. If, for example, the document being scanned is a simple print out or document received from Social security, single column will work brilliantly. However, if the document is from a professor, from either a book or online journal that they have printed for your entire class, two-column will work better. Similarly, if you are doing a book, two-column would be better, as you could take a picture of both sides of the book-pages, without having to worry about blocking one side or the other. This is because it distinguishes the text-break or middle of the book as a separate page, then translates it as such.
> (3)	Karl is correct here, and, I will add that the application will only translate whatever is captured in the photo. If part of the sign is out of the photo, for example, it will be left out of the translation, with only part of the text being included.
> (4)	Depends where the text on the page is located. If you want to be safe, use the middle of the document as the reference point, and raise the phone about a foot or so from the page. This way, you should capture the entire document.
> 
> I hope this has helped in some way. If you have any further questions, please feel free to write me either on or off list (as this is a topic that could potentially benefit multiple people).
> Respectfully,
> Michael Ausbun
> KNFB liaison, Nevada
> Board member, National Association of Blind Students
> First Vice-President, National Federation of the Blind of Nevada
> Interim Legislative Director, Nevada
> Man of Many Hats, National Federation of the Blind
> 
> ________________________________________
> From: nabs-l [nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org>] on behalf of Sami Osborne via nabs-l [nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>]
> Sent: Tuesday, December 29, 2015 3:05 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org <mailto:nabs-l at nfbnet.org>; blindtlk at nfbnet.org <mailto:blindtlk at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: Sami Osborne
> Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app questions
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I recently downloaded the KNFB Reader app this Christmas and had
> a few things that I wanted to ask you guys.
> 
> First, what would you recommend to be the best position of my
> arm and phone camera? I did turn on tilt guidance so that my
> phone would vibrate to guide me through the position of my camera
> to take the picture, and have tried many different things, but
> everything I do seems to be wrong...
> 
> Second, what do you find is the best document type for scanning
> documents - single-column or multi-column?
> 
> Third, can the app scan things that you don't have directly in
> front of you, such as a street sign or window display? That would
> be really nice, since you now wouldn't need to ask for sighted
> assistance when you're out and want to locate something.
> 
> Fourth, do you have to point your phone camera towards the top of
> the page or anywhere on the page?
> 
> I hope that you can answer my questions and will get back to you
> 1if I think of any more.  I'm really excited about using this
> app, because it really sounds awesome.
> 
> Hope to hear from you soon and happy new year,
> 
> Sami
> 
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From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 21:09:10 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:09:10 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial aid and SSI
Message-ID: <CALEYb2tkiPsNEgyASQJ1J55UF43Y4tgQwbNJcnXSJYMdo276wA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Josh,
I know this is off-topic, but what does one do/study with behavioral
health technology? Sounds very interesting!

Sarah


From sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 21:13:41 2015
From: sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com (Sarah Meyer)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:13:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] KNFB Reader app Questions
Message-ID: <CALEYb2s0yrEOb_C87yq7fzo6py-ovTBvy2RSKfw8j=o0aLa+tA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Sami,
I know you've already gotten some great answers, but I just wanted to
add that one trick I've learned for positioning my arms while taking
pictures/scans and keeping the camera parallel is to put my elbows on
the surface on which the document is resting and then let the phone
rest in my hands in the middle of the document above it.  This helps
to keep the camera stable.
Hope that makes sense and helps a bit.
Enjoy!

Sarah

-- 
Sarah K. Meyer
Graduate Student, Clinical Mental Health Counseling/Social Psychology
Ball State University
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind Human Services Division
Board Member, National Federation of the Blind of Indiana State Affiliate
sarah.meyer55 at gmail.com
(317)402-6632

The National Federation of the Blind knows that blindness is not the
characteristic that defines you or your future. You can live the life
you want; blindness is not what holds you back. Together with love,
hope, and determination, we transform dreams into reality.


From chris.omeally at gmail.com  Wed Dec 30 21:13:54 2015
From: chris.omeally at gmail.com (Christopher O'meally)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 16:13:54 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Cost of Convention?
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we4ll, the largest costs are going to be your room witch you can cut
down by sharing it with another person or group of people, and your
flight to the hotel.  Your food costs can be farely low if you get
food from the store instead of eating out.  www.nfb.org has room costs
to give you an idea of what you would spend on that.

On 12/29/15, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi there Leye,
>
> Convention is definitely manageable on a budget. I flew there from
> Massachusets this past July, if you buy your tickets early enough, flights
> from Boston are very cheap. I believe I paid about $350 round trip, and most
> people can find them cheaper than that. The hotel is usually about $100 per
> night after taxes, and if you have roommates (generally up to 4 roommates in
> a room) you can pay around $25 a night for your room with room mates. You
> can expect to spend about $100 on food if you will be eating in the
> restaurant at all, and there are grocery stores within walking distance
> which would allow you to keep kosher. The other costs of convention include
> your registration fee which is usually $50-$60, and your banquet ticket
> which is around the same price I think.
>
> You can find all of this information and more on NFB's official site,
> (www.nfb.org/convention).
>
> I hope that helps.
>
> Meaghan
>
>
>
>> On Dec 29, 2015, at 5:59 PM, Leye-Shprintse Öberg via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>>
>> BS'D
>>
>> Hello everybody,
>>
>> I have tried to find information about the cost of going to convention. I
>> am not a NFB member; I am not even American, but I have wanted to
>> experience a NFB convention since I was little because your view on
>> Blindness speak to me more than the philosophy which the Swedish
>> Association of the Visually Impaired has. However, I wonder if someone
>> will share their average cost and ideas for doing the convention on a
>> budget? The big costs are travel, hotel and food; does the convention
>> itself has any cost? How is it if you keep kosher, can you find kosher
>> food? That was the questions for tonight.
>>
>> LeSholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
>>
>>
>> LeSholom,
>> Leye-Shprintse Öberg
>> Suède
>> leyeshprintse at ymail.com
>> http://www.leyeshprintse.com
>> Envoyé de mon iPhone
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From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 01:49:08 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:49:08 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Financial aid and SSI
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We study the technical aspects of Psychology, Sociology, the family, etc.
If you'd like, we can chat off list about this.
This is amazing stuff.

On 12/30/15, Sarah Meyer via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi Josh,
> I know this is off-topic, but what does one do/study with behavioral
> health technology? Sounds very interesting!
>
> Sarah
>
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"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 02:41:34 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 21:41:34 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used this software?
Message-ID: <CAFja7Fbfk4+fBe4edsgr5fZ75Z0tjrR0CuDK0ezMA6KnZcOCAg@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

I will be taking a Psychology of Learning course this spring, and my
professor has just responded to my email about accommodations.  One of
the things she has told me about the course is that we will be using
Sniffy the Lab Rat Pro (version 3.0 by Wadsworth-Cengage Learning).
This software is designed to simulate what it is like to train a lab
rat to perform various tasks, and we have four assignments using the
program throughout the semester.  The professor has said she is
willing to modify the curriculum if I absolutely cannot use this
software, but I've never heard of it before.  Has anyone used Sniffy
before?  If so, did you find it accessible/what accessibility barriers
did you run up against while using the program?  To clarify, I'm
running Windows 7 with Jaws and NVDA.

Thanks,

-- 
Kaiti Shelton


From jlestermusic at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 02:46:13 2015
From: jlestermusic at gmail.com (josh lester)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 20:46:13 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used this software?
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References: <CAFja7Fbfk4+fBe4edsgr5fZ75Z0tjrR0CuDK0ezMA6KnZcOCAg@mail.gmail.com>
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I've never heard of it either!

On 12/30/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I will be taking a Psychology of Learning course this spring, and my
> professor has just responded to my email about accommodations.  One of
> the things she has told me about the course is that we will be using
> Sniffy the Lab Rat Pro (version 3.0 by Wadsworth-Cengage Learning).
> This software is designed to simulate what it is like to train a lab
> rat to perform various tasks, and we have four assignments using the
> program throughout the semester.  The professor has said she is
> willing to modify the curriculum if I absolutely cannot use this
> software, but I've never heard of it before.  Has anyone used Sniffy
> before?  If so, did you find it accessible/what accessibility barriers
> did you run up against while using the program?  To clarify, I'm
> running Windows 7 with Jaws and NVDA.
>
> Thanks,
>
> --
> Kaiti Shelton
>
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"Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)


From jlhodges4 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 02:59:39 2015
From: jlhodges4 at gmail.com (Jessica Hodges)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 18:59:39 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used this software?
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Hello. While I have not heard of this software, I have had some experiences with sengage, and they have a big commitment to accessability. Perhaps calling them and asking would help answer some of these questions? 
I am sorry I wasn't more helpfull 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 30, 2015, at 6:46 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I've never heard of it either!
> 
>> On 12/30/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I will be taking a Psychology of Learning course this spring, and my
>> professor has just responded to my email about accommodations.  One of
>> the things she has told me about the course is that we will be using
>> Sniffy the Lab Rat Pro (version 3.0 by Wadsworth-Cengage Learning).
>> This software is designed to simulate what it is like to train a lab
>> rat to perform various tasks, and we have four assignments using the
>> program throughout the semester.  The professor has said she is
>> willing to modify the curriculum if I absolutely cannot use this
>> software, but I've never heard of it before.  Has anyone used Sniffy
>> before?  If so, did you find it accessible/what accessibility barriers
>> did you run up against while using the program?  To clarify, I'm
>> running Windows 7 with Jaws and NVDA.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> --
>> Kaiti Shelton
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> Joshua Lester
> Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> 
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From zumbagecko at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 03:59:07 2015
From: zumbagecko at gmail.com (petras)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 19:59:07 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] dialog boxes dont display
Message-ID: <5684a80d.d111620a.b25a8.ffff9e4e@mx.google.com>

Hi, I am using windows 10 home, with jaws 17.  I restored my ipad 
and got an error message, but it just said "Ok button," how do I 
gej it to actually display the dialog box? When I tab, it says 
"more information,"


From kestomberg at coe.edu  Thu Dec 31 04:33:38 2015
From: kestomberg at coe.edu (STOMBERG, KENNEDY)
Date: Wed, 30 Dec 2015 22:33:38 -0600
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used this software?
In-Reply-To: <B139B68B-C94B-4EA0-9FA0-9485AD513E17@gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7Fbfk4+fBe4edsgr5fZ75Z0tjrR0CuDK0ezMA6KnZcOCAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhw+pX1bAN+yV0QAhiUTTM1WGHAXHXoCX+GDHLFRUwydQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B139B68B-C94B-4EA0-9FA0-9485AD513E17@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANvQTY4+AXJekiMi1pDYdTey6suLqiyfab8JPCn0sKu1FL9uwg@mail.gmail.com>

Kaiti,

I have not heard of this program, but I too have experience using Cengage.
And it was a completely awful experience! When my Dss cordinator called
them because of accessibility isbbues,  they were very unhelpful. Maybe
this program will be better, but I would suggest  that you talk to your
profesbbor about changing the ciriculum if Cengage doesn't cooperate.

On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

> Hello. While I have not heard of this software, I have had some
> experiences with sengage, and they have a big commitment to accessability.
> Perhaps calling them and asking would help answer some of these questions?
> I am sorry I wasn't more helpfull
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 6:46 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> wrote:
> >
> > I've never heard of it either!
> >
> >> On 12/30/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >>
> >> I will be taking a Psychology of Learning course this spring, and my
> >> professor has just responded to my email about accommodations.  One of
> >> the things she has told me about the course is that we will be using
> >> Sniffy the Lab Rat Pro (version 3.0 by Wadsworth-Cengage Learning).
> >> This software is designed to simulate what it is like to train a lab
> >> rat to perform various tasks, and we have four assignments using the
> >> program throughout the semester.  The professor has said she is
> >> willing to modify the curriculum if I absolutely cannot use this
> >> software, but I've never heard of it before.  Has anyone used Sniffy
> >> before?  If so, did you find it accessible/what accessibility barriers
> >> did you run up against while using the program?  To clarify, I'm
> >> running Windows 7 with Jaws and NVDA.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> --
> >> Kaiti Shelton
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________
> >> nabs-l mailing list
> >> nabs-l at nfbnet.org
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> >> To unsubscribe, change your list options or get your account info for
> >> nabs-l:
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > Joshua Lester
> > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
> > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
> > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
> > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
> >
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From crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 06:26:51 2015
From: crazy4clarinet104 at gmail.com (Kaiti Shelton)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 01:26:51 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Has anyone used this software?
In-Reply-To: <CANvQTY4+AXJekiMi1pDYdTey6suLqiyfab8JPCn0sKu1FL9uwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFja7Fbfk4+fBe4edsgr5fZ75Z0tjrR0CuDK0ezMA6KnZcOCAg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEpB4bhw+pX1bAN+yV0QAhiUTTM1WGHAXHXoCX+GDHLFRUwydQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<B139B68B-C94B-4EA0-9FA0-9485AD513E17@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFja7FZOGDER7nmMjH5Soerme7bJA69S92Bu6jLahvXOQCarYQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Hmmm, two very conflicting views on Cengage back to back.  I'll choose
to be hopeful for now, especially since Pearson is usually terrible
and I had decent success with one of their platforms this past
semester.  I have never heard of Cengage before this as Pearson
products seem to reign supreme at my university, but especially since
this particular program has not been used at all by anyone who can
speak to accessibility thus far, I'll try calling tomorrow and hope
they're not closed for NYE, or Monday if they are.  I'm optimistic
that that will solve some of my worries (though personal accounts from
users would have been awesome), but I'll also go in with a little
caution in case I do need to get DSS involved.

Thanks all.

On 12/30/15, STOMBERG, KENNEDY via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> Kaiti,
>
> I have not heard of this program, but I too have experience using Cengage.
> And it was a completely awful experience! When my Dss cordinator called
> them because of accessibility isbbues,  they were very unhelpful. Maybe
> this program will be better, but I would suggest  that you talk to your
> profesbbor about changing the ciriculum if Cengage doesn't cooperate.
>
> On Wed, Dec 30, 2015 at 8:59 PM, Jessica Hodges via nabs-l <
> nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>
>> Hello. While I have not heard of this software, I have had some
>> experiences with sengage, and they have a big commitment to
>> accessability.
>> Perhaps calling them and asking would help answer some of these
>> questions?
>> I am sorry I wasn't more helpfull
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Dec 30, 2015, at 6:46 PM, josh lester via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > I've never heard of it either!
>> >
>> >> On 12/30/15, Kaiti Shelton via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> >> Hi all,
>> >>
>> >> I will be taking a Psychology of Learning course this spring, and my
>> >> professor has just responded to my email about accommodations.  One of
>> >> the things she has told me about the course is that we will be using
>> >> Sniffy the Lab Rat Pro (version 3.0 by Wadsworth-Cengage Learning).
>> >> This software is designed to simulate what it is like to train a lab
>> >> rat to perform various tasks, and we have four assignments using the
>> >> program throughout the semester.  The professor has said she is
>> >> willing to modify the curriculum if I absolutely cannot use this
>> >> software, but I've never heard of it before.  Has anyone used Sniffy
>> >> before?  If so, did you find it accessible/what accessibility barriers
>> >> did you run up against while using the program?  To clarify, I'm
>> >> running Windows 7 with Jaws and NVDA.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks,
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Kaiti Shelton
>> >>
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>> > --
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>> > Blessings to you in the name of Jesus Christ
>> > "Then Peter said unto them repent and be baptized everyone of you in
>> > the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins and ye shall
>> > receive the gift of the Holy Ghost," (Acts, 2:38.)
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Secretary, The National Federation of the Blind Performing Arts
Division 2015-2016

"You can live the life you want; blindness is not what holds you back!"


From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 19:52:19 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 11:52:19 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
Message-ID: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>

Hi,
I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just 
popped up yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write 
them, and the phone will sometimes add extra characters for 
whatever the reason.  As an example, I texted one of my friends 
and "How was your break?" came out "How was your breakfast?" (I 
fixed it before sending it!)
 I thought it might have something to do with Auto Correct, and I 
went into the messages under settings but can't find anything 
about that.
Anyone know what it could be?
Thanks,
Vejas


From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 19:55:37 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 14:55:37 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
Message-ID: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>

I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go well at all.  So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is going to take forever...
Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have some, although not very much experience with working with people like this. I find it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other people's experience.  
Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
Have you used a reader?  How was that?
How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when you are not with your reader? How did you study on your own time? 
Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank you and Happy New Years.

Anna E Givens



From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:00:50 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:00:50 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
In-Reply-To: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>

I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made accessible in
pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding a way to use the
pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.  
Justin

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books

I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for a
statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an audio
book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the last
semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my vision and
listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go well at all.
So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is going to
take forever...
Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have some,
although not very much experience with working with people like this. I find
it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other people's
experience.  
Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
Have you used a reader?  How was that?
How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with the
reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when you are not
with your reader? How did you study on your own time? 
Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank you and
Happy New Years.

Anna E Givens


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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:09:41 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:09:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
In-Reply-To: <009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>
References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
	<009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>

That's true. 
However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to use braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can use it a little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
Thanks for suggestion though!

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made accessible in
> pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding a way to use the
> pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.  
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
> 
> I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for a
> statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an audio
> book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the last
> semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my vision and
> listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go well at all.
> So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is going to
> take forever...
> Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have some,
> although not very much experience with working with people like this. I find
> it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and other people's
> experience.  
> Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
> Have you used a reader?  How was that?
> How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with the
> reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when you are not
> with your reader? How did you study on your own time? 
> Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank you and
> Happy New Years.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:16:03 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:16:03 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
In-Reply-To: <870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>	<009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>
	<870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <009c01d14408$13457040$39d050c0$@gmail.com>

What kind of math is it?

-----Original Message-----
From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:10 PM
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books

That's true. 
However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to use
braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can use it a
little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
Thanks for suggestion though!

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made 
> accessible in pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding a 
> way to use the pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
> Justin
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
> 
> I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for 
> a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an 
> audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the 
> last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my 
> vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go
well at all.
> So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is 
> going to take forever...
> Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have 
> some, although not very much experience with working with people like 
> this. I find it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and 
> other people's experience.
> Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
> Have you used a reader?  How was that?
> How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with 
> the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when 
> you are not with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
> Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank 
> you and Happy New Years.
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
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From ropermeaghan at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:17:41 2015
From: ropermeaghan at gmail.com (Roper, Meaghan)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:17:41 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
In-Reply-To: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>
References: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>
Message-ID: <8BB98871-0F05-49D5-BE9D-B1E1E1821E5D@gmail.com>

Hi Vejas,

It sounds like maybe your word prediction function may be interfering with your messaging. Sometimes your iPhone will predict a word and unless you close the prediction it will enter the work for you. You can try going under your settings and turning off the word prediction function. That might help. Good luck. 

Meaghan 



> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just popped up yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write them, and the phone will sometimes add extra characters for whatever the reason.  As an example, I texted one of my friends and "How was your break?" came out "How was your breakfast?" (I fixed it before sending it!)
> I thought it might have something to do with Auto Correct, and I went into the messages under settings but can't find anything about that.
> Anyone know what it could be?
> Thanks,
> Vejas
> 
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From annajee82 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:22:47 2015
From: annajee82 at gmail.com (annajee82 at gmail.com)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:22:47 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
In-Reply-To: <009c01d14408$13457040$39d050c0$@gmail.com>
References: <C5480D30-5375-40F9-857F-7D33501C1DA7@gmail.com>
	<009201d14405$f3399ee0$d9acdca0$@gmail.com>
	<870C487C-1DBB-49EC-AAF8-BAE9F9740919@gmail.com>
	<009c01d14408$13457040$39d050c0$@gmail.com>
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For statistics, but I will be doing more math and chemistry soon.

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:16 PM, justin williams via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What kind of math is it?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:10 PM
> To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list <nabs-l at nfbnet.org>
> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books
> 
> That's true. 
> However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to use
> braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can use it a
> little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
> Thanks for suggestion though!
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made 
>> accessible in pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding a 
>> way to use the pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
>> 
>> I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is for 
>> a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to use an 
>> audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  In the 
>> last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of my 
>> vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did not go
> well at all.
>> So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is 
>> going to take forever...
>> Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have 
>> some, although not very much experience with working with people like 
>> this. I find it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and 
>> other people's experience.
>> Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
>> Have you used a reader?  How was that?
>> How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book with 
>> the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material when 
>> you are not with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
>> Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank 
>> you and Happy New Years.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:22:53 2015
From: blindcowgirl1993 at gmail.com (Aleeha Dudley)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:22:53 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
In-Reply-To: <8BB98871-0F05-49D5-BE9D-B1E1E1821E5D@gmail.com>
References: <5685878d.ea95420a.022a.ffffb447@mx.google.com>
	<8BB98871-0F05-49D5-BE9D-B1E1E1821E5D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6BFF3ACC-6A59-4E1D-9EF7-70AA444127FF@gmail.com>

Auto correct is under keyboard settings. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 31, 2015, at 15:17, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi Vejas,
> 
> It sounds like maybe your word prediction function may be interfering with your messaging. Sometimes your iPhone will predict a word and unless you close the prediction it will enter the work for you. You can try going under your settings and turning off the word prediction function. That might help. Good luck. 
> 
> Meaghan 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi,
>> I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just popped up yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write them, and the phone will sometimes add extra characters for whatever the reason.  As an example, I texted one of my friends and "How was your break?" came out "How was your breakfast?" (I fixed it before sending it!)
>> I thought it might have something to do with Auto Correct, and I went into the messages under settings but can't find anything about that.
>> Anyone know what it could be?
>> Thanks,
>> Vejas
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
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From alpineimagination at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:33:02 2015
From: alpineimagination at gmail.com (Vejas Vasiliauskas)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 12:33:02 -0800
Subject: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S
Message-ID: <56859118.8344620a.10e6f.ffffe4b0@mx.google.com>

Thanks Meaghan and Aleeha.  I think I fixed the problem.
Vejas


 ----- Original Message -----
From: Aleeha Dudley via nabs-l <nabs-l at nfbnet.org
To: National Association of Blind Students mailing list 
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Date sent: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:22:53 -0500
Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Problem with Messages App on Iphone 6 S

Auto correct is under keyboard settings.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Dec 31, 2015, at 15:17, Roper, Meaghan via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi Vejas,

 It sounds like maybe your word prediction function may be 
interfering with your messaging.  Sometimes your iPhone will 
predict a word and unless you close the prediction it will enter 
the work for you.  You can try going under your settings and 
turning off the word prediction function.  That might help.  Good 
luck.

 Meaghan



 On Dec 31, 2015, at 2:52 PM, Vejas Vasiliauskas via nabs-l 
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:

 Hi,
 I'm having a problem with text messages on my phone which just 
popped up yesterday.  I use my braille note keyboard to write 
them, and the phone will sometimes add extra characters for 
whatever the reason.  As an example, I texted one of my friends 
and "How was your break?" came out "How was your breakfast?" (I 
fixed it before sending it!)
 I thought it might have something to do with Auto Correct, and I 
went into the messages under settings but can't find anything 
about that.
 Anyone know what it could be?
 Thanks,
 Vejas

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From justin.williams2 at gmail.com  Thu Dec 31 20:52:42 2015
From: justin.williams2 at gmail.com (justin williams)
Date: Thu, 31 Dec 2015 15:52:42 -0500
Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
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Arielle is more of an expert than I, but for stats, SAS , is what seems to
work for stats and JAWS. SPSS worked okay, but I couldn't get full
functionality; I think I needed to employ a braille display for greatest
affect with SPSS.  So, Even though you should contact Arielle, SAS is from
what I understand what works with JAWS and stats.  Anyone on this list,
please correct me if I am wrong.
Also, Excel is able to do some stat equations.  You can use the formulas, or
the add ins, but it is not as effective at running stats as the programs
made for that.
 Justin

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From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via nabs-l
Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:23 PM
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Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books

For statistics, but I will be doing more math and chemistry soon.

Anna E Givens


> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:16 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
<nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
> 
> What kind of math is it?
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
> nabs-l
> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 3:10 PM
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> Subject: Re: [nabs-l] Audio books
> 
> That's true. 
> However, due to issues with some nerves in my hands, I am unable to 
> use braille very well.  So this is not a good option for me.  I can 
> use it a little bit, but certainly not to read a book.
> Thanks for suggestion though!
> 
> Anna E Givens
> 
> 
>>> On Dec 31, 2015, at 3:00 PM, justin williams via nabs-l
>> <nabs-l at nfbnet.org> wrote:
>> 
>> I would have tried ordering it on amazon, and having it made 
>> accessible in pdf or work so I could use a braille display.  Finding 
>> a way to use the pc/braille display gives you the greatest control.
>> Justin
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: nabs-l [mailto:nabs-l-bounces at nfbnet.org] On Behalf Of Anna via 
>> nabs-l
>> Sent: Thursday, December 31, 2015 2:56 PM
>> To: nabs-l at nfbnet.org; blindmath at nfbnet.org; nfb-science at nfbnet.org
>> Cc: annajee82 at gmail.com
>> Subject: [nabs-l] Audio books
>> 
>> I have been trying to use an audio book for the first time.  It is 
>> for a statistics class I have to take. It was recommended to me to 
>> use an audio book read by a person, so I got one from Learning Ally.  
>> In the last semester I was trying to use JAWS and some combination of 
>> my vision and listening to science and math on the computer.  It did 
>> not go
> well at all.
>> So I am trying the audio book but I am quickly realizing....This is 
>> going to take forever...
>> Using a reader and/or tutor seems the most efficient option.  I have 
>> some, although not very much experience with working with people like 
>> this. I find it difficult.  I guess I am just looking for support and 
>> other people's experience.
>> Have you used audio books for math?  How did it go?
>> Have you used a reader?  How was that?
>> How much time did you have to spend just reading through the book 
>> with the reader?  How did you reference the book or related material 
>> when you are not with your reader? How did you study on your own time?
>> Any relevant information i can get on this would be helpful.  Thank 
>> you and Happy New Years.
>> 
>> Anna E Givens
>> 
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